Re:ゼロから始める異世界生活 4th season

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シャウラ/英雄
一層“マイア”に到着したエミリアを待っていたのは、ルグニカ三英傑の“神龍”ボルカニカ。なぜか同じ言葉を繰り返すだけの神龍を相手に、最後の“試験”が開始する。一方、螺旋階段ではライとラムが対峙していた。
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actionfirst1
Volcanica a real one for recognizing Patrasche as best girl
ヴォルカニカまじで分かってるじゃん!パトラッシュがベストガールって認めるのやばくね!?ギャル
bondsmatthew
Stuck on repeat until he saw Patrasche
パトラッシュに会うまでリピート再生で草2ちゃん
Accurate_Treat6360
Casually dropping the fact that Volcanica somehow knew Patrasche. Tappei makes us even more intrigued by the mysteries surrounding Satella and Flugel.
てかボルカニカがパトラッシュ知ってたのマジでさらっと出してきたんだけど笑 タッペイ先生、サテラとフリューゲルの謎でさらに沼らせにきてるじゃん!ギャル
kalirion
Obviously means Patrasche is 400+ years old, and is so attached to Subaru because she also identifies him as Flugel.
パトラッシュが400年以上生きてて、スバルをフリューゲルだと認識してるから懐いてるってことか…!?エモすぎるだろ…!感情くん
Some-Clue-9956
Its a bit more than that. Because it was Subaru who named Patrasche back in S1.... So either Flugel named her the same which is already very sus.... or....
それだけやないで。S1でパトラッシュと名付けたんはスバルやからな…つまりフリューゲルも同じ名付けたんか、それはもう怪しすぎる…あるいは…2ちゃん
kalirion
Or Subaru subconsciously used the same name Flugel did, or Patrasche will go back in time with Subaru to become Flugel, rather than Flugel getting amnesia to become Subaru. The worst part of that is that it would mean Emilia is destined to go crazy and become Satella 😢
あるいはスバルが無意識にフリューゲルと同じ名前を使ったか、パトラッシュがスバルと共に時間を遡ってフリューゲルになる可能性もある。フリューゲルが記憶喪失になってスバルになったのではなく。最悪なのは、それだとエミリアが狂ってサテラになる運命だってことだ😢考察くん
Amauri14
I wonder if that time travel will be a power he will get from an Authority, or it will be something like a portal of some sort. If it is a portal, I wonder if that's what the door we see in Emilia's flashback, when she and her family were attacked by Pandora, is.
我が思うに、あの時を遡る力……果たして権能より授かりしものか、それとも何処かへ繋がる門なるものか。もし門であるならば、エミリアの記憶に刻まれしパンドラ襲撃の刻、あの扉こそが其れなのか……運命の歯車が軋む音が聞こえるようだ。中二病
flashmozzg
The tower seemed to invoke time shenanigans when Emilia place her hand on the monolith.
エミリアが石碑に触れた時、塔が時間をいじるような現象を起こしたみたいだね。普通くん
kalirion
Time stuff seems to be specifically Satella's Authority, no?
時間系の権能ってサテラ専用の権能なんちゃうん?2ちゃん
Amauri14
But we have already seen that the witches can create things with their authority; Daphne did this with the Witchbeast, especially the White Whale. So it is possible that Satella made a device using her Authority too.
でも魔女は権能で物を作れるのはもう見てきたよね。ダフネが魔獣、特に白鯨でやってたし。だからサテラも権能で装置を作った可能性はあると思う。普通くん
N0rTh3Fi5t
原文
It would be a far bigger plot twist if everything wasn't because the went back in time at some point. They've been clubbing us over the head with Satella being time traveled Emilia from the first season, but this season all but said it outright that the whole tower situation was because part of this group traveled back in time and arranged everything. As far as I'm concerned, the only mystery is how they're going to explain Subaru sentencing Shaula to 400 years in solitary confinement knowing she all but dies at the end of it without making Subaru look like complete twat.
むしろ何もかも時間遡行が原因じゃない方がよっぽどどんでん返しだろ。サテラ=未来から来たエミリア説はS1からずっと匂わされてたし、今季は塔の一件も一行の誰かが過去に飛んで全部仕組んだってほぼ明言してたな。俺としては、スバルがシャウラを400年の独房送りにした挙句、最後にはほぼ死ぬと分かっててやったのを、スバルをクズに見せずどう説明するかだけが謎だわ。ドライおじ
LondoMain95
Really gives credit to the "somehow time-travelled" theory, which is what I think happened to Subaru at the end there, and why Rem somehow is awake, if she's in the past, then there's no memory of her being eaten yet
「なんとかしてタイムスリップした」説に納得だね。最後のスバルはそうなったと思うし、レムが起きてるのも、彼女が過去にいるならまだ喰われた記憶がないからじゃん。普通くん
Petekinha
If you think about, return by death is a time travel ability
考えてみれば、死に戻りってタイムトラベル能力だよなドライおじ
Obvious_Law7599
Who cares about that broken cassette player. (Satella) Nah, I wanna know if best girl is actually the last boss, Jesus ... or Volcanica's mom.
壊れたカセットプレイヤーなんてどうでもいいわ。(サテラ) それより気になるのは、最高の女の子がラスボスなのか、イエスなのか…それともヴォルカニカの母なのかってことだよ。普通くん
Frontier246
Never mention "Witch of Envy" to a volatile senile dragon but do bring his favorite Best Girl!
「嫉妬の魔女」の話は絶対にボケた老竜にするなよw でもお気に入りのベストガールは連れて行けwwwwおじ
Mundology
Even in senility, Volcanica was so mad at Satella that he cut her Aishiteru~ ritual short
ボルカニカ、ボケててもサテラにキレて「愛してる〜」の儀式を中断させたの笑う普通くん
Rhamni
cut her Aishiteru~ ritual short Do you think Subaru understood what she meant? She only got to say it 17 times.
彼女の「愛してる~」儀式を短く切ったんか。スバルは彼女の意味を理解したと思う?彼女は17回しか言えなかったンゴ。2ちゃん
Jinsodia
seemed more like regret that he didn't kill her before she became the witch. No hesitation when he gets a chance at writing his wrong.
後悔してるって感じじゃん?魔女になる前に殺しとけばよかったって。間違いを正すチャンス来たら迷いゼロだし、まじ怖いんだけど笑ギャル
Eunuchest
On a serious note tho, it seems Patrasche is way more important than we give her credit for. Suddenly there's an added layer for why she quickly got attached to Subaru even tho her species was noted to be temperemantal
真面目な話、パトラッシュって思ってたよりずっと重要な存在だよね。気性が荒いとされてた種族なのに、なんでスバルにすぐ懐いたのか、急に深い理由があるように思えてきた。普通くん
Mario_Prime510
Also gives credence to our main characters being connected somehow to these past icons. Emilia to Stella, maybe Subaru to Flugel. Why would Volcanica know Patrasche? We still don’t know why Shaula is calling Subaru master. It feels like these are connected. Almost like they’re past lives or that they are these people but forgotten or something like that.
主人公たちが過去の重要人物と何かしら繋がってる説、ガチでありやな。エミリア=ステラ、スバル=フリューゲルとか。なんでヴォルカニカがパトラッシュ知っとるんや?シャウラがスバルを「お師様」呼びする理由も不明やし。全部繋がっとる気がするわ。転生とか、本人やけど記憶喪失とかそんなんか?2ちゃん
ziptofaf
原文
It really, REALLY reeks of a time loop/time travel somehow. Satella shouldn't even know who Subaru is and yet she is the one who summoned him to this world supposedly and gave him his iconic ability. Flugel's disciple recognizes Subaru as her master. Somehow Emilia looks identical to Satella, down to fingerprints apparently. And then there's this whole tower which is only possible to open if you know star constellations from our world. Patrasche is just a young earth dragon and yet Volcanica recognizes her. I don't think it's as simple as past lives, honestly it's giving me vibes of non-linear time passing and future events that will occur in the past so far. I kiiiind of hope I am wrong though cuz it has not so positive implications for at least some of the main characters.
タイムリープかタイムトラベルっぽさがマジで半端ないんだよな。サテラがスバルのこと知ってるはずないのに、スバルを異世界に召喚して死に戻りを授けたと言われてる。フリューゲルの弟子シャウラがスバルを「お師様」と認識。エミリアは指紋まで含めてサテラと瓜二つ。塔は地球の星座を知らないと開かない。パトラッシュはただの幼い地竜なのにヴォルカニカが認識する。過去生とかそんな単純な話じゃなくて、非線形な時間の流れを感じる。ただ、これが正しくないでほしい。主要キャラにとって良い含みじゃないからな。普通くん
DatBoiSaix
原文
Also a bootstrap paradox with Shaula, where Subaru gets a little scorpion, goes back in time with her that leads to this tower where she's abandoned and then he gets her again. To me this theory is one I've had in the back of my head since season 1 with Subaru having a time based power and Satella looking exactly like Emilia and who also loves him, and I'm starting to feel like it's a bit too obvious and might be a red herring.
シャウラとのブートストラップ・パラドックス説な。スバルが小さいサソリを手に入れて、彼女と一緒に過去へ戻り、彼女が捨てられたこの塔に繋がって、またスバルが彼女を手に入れるって話や。ワイはS1からずっとこの説を頭の片隅に置いとったんや。スバルの時間系能力に、サテラがエミリアと瓜二つでスバルを愛してるって点な。でも最近、これ露骨すぎて逆にミスリードなんちゃうかと思い始めとるわ。2ちゃん
BosuW
Also if everyone got sent back, that means Anastasia too with an Echidna copy... This shit makes so much sense it scares me (Granted, Echidna in the trials didn't show any sign of know Subaru prior)
みんな戻されたならアナスタシアもエキドナのコピーと一緒ってことかよw これマジで辻褄合いすぎて怖いわw(ただ試練のエキドナはスバルを前から知ってる素振りなかったけどなw)wwwおじ
Rhamni
原文
It's not gonna be everyone. But the people who made the hand prints on that slate, I bet those are all people who go back in time at some point. Probably including Roswaal. A competent mage you can't fully trust could be really useful from the author's perspective. When Subaru lost his memory, I was afraid the plot was for Subaru to never get his memories back, and eventually becoming Flugel. He also wouldn't fall in love with Emilia again. However, Emilia has at this point already fallen most of the way in love with Subaru, and I thought it might become an obsession for her, until we get the one sided love of Satella. After all, he loved her before. Why can't he love her again?! It was meant to be! Next time, she'll get him next time around! She loves him so much, he'll understand! Subaru got his memories back, so clearly that was not the plan. Thank goodness. But we very much could still get the time loop. There are two versions of Gluttony still alive, so memory loss shenanigans are still on the table as well.
全員じゃないだろうけど、あの石板に手形を残した連中は、たぶん時間を戻る能力持ちだよね。ロズワールも含まれてそう。信用しきれない有能な魔術師って、作者視点だと便利なんだろうな。スバルが記憶を失った時は、そのまま記憶を取り戻さずフリューゲルになる展開かと思って怖くなった。エミリアとも二度と恋に落ちないんじゃないかって。でもエミリアはもうほぼスバルに惚れてるし、それでサテラみたいな片思いになるのかも、とか考えた。前に愛してたんだから、また愛せないわけないじゃん!運命なんだよ!次こそは!って。でもスバルは記憶を取り戻したから、そういう話じゃなかったんだね。よかった。ただタイムループ展開はまだ全然ありえる。暴食の権能持ちがまだ2人生きてるから、記憶喪失ネタもまだ使えるし。普通くん
mischievous_shota
Shit, that sounds really good.
くそっ、めちゃくちゃ良さそうじゃん…!感情くん
Rhamni
It felt like such a good fit, too! I've been team Satella = time traveled Emilia since season 1. Miasma can clearly drive people mad too, so I'm convinced there's some tragic sacrifice in her future where she has to absorb dark power for plot reasons. If she thought bathing in miasma would somehow save Subaru or ensure World Peace, you know she'd pull the trigger no matter what anyone said.
サテラ=未来から来たエミリア説、自分もS1から推してる!瘴気で正気を失う描写もあるし、エミリアが悲劇的な犠牲で闇の力を吸収する展開ありそう。スバルを救うためなら瘴気浴びも躊躇しないよね。普通くん
mischievous_shota
Just like Petelgeuse. There are too many connections for there not to be something significant there. I suppose it's possible for there to be some other type of connection instead of them actually being Satella or Flugel but I think I'll probably be disappointed if it's not that.
ペテルギウスと同じやな。何か重要な繋がりがあるに違いないわ、関連性多すぎるし。サテラやフリューゲル本人じゃなくて別の繋がりって可能性もあるけど、そうじゃなかったらワイたぶんガッカリするわ。2ちゃん
thedicestoppedrollin
With how common memory loss is, I wonder if Subaru had a more dramatic transition to this world, became Flugel, then set it up to lose his memories right next to "Satella", a royal heir, and an Astrea
記憶喪失がこんなに多いなら、スバルはもっとドラマチックに異世界に来てフリューゲルになって、「サテラ」、王位継承者、アストレアのすぐ隣で記憶を失うように仕組んだのかもね普通くん
ClemFire
For me why I don't believe Subaru is Shaula's master despite all the signs is that this arc goes out of its way to pound the message that Subaru should love himself more similar to S2 and yet Subaru gets super emotional and called Shaula's master shit for leaving her alone for 400 years. That alone convinces me they can't be the same person
我が疑念は揺るがぬ。昂がシャウラの師と同一であるはずがない――この章は昂に「己を愛せ」と幾度も説いておるではないか。S2と同じく。なのに昂は400年置き去りにされたシャウラの師を激しく罵った。あの激情こそ、同一人物ではあり得ぬ証左なのだ。中二病
Mario_Prime510
原文
Here’s a wild theory though. What if Subaru time travels back into the past. Calls himself flugel and then does all the stuff that Flugel is known for. Then at the end he has to return to the present because that’s where he belongs. So in order to have the present be the way that it is now he has to leave Shaula at the tower for 400 years. So it could be like a bittersweet we know we will reunite kind of thing, while also reconciling that maybe Flugel, or in this case himself, did do a shitty thing but for a good reason.
過激な考察やで。スバルが過去にタイムスリップして自分をフリューゲルと名乗り、フリューゲルの伝説を全部やる。最後に現代に戻らなあかんから、シャウラを塔に400年待たせることに。再会できる bittersweet な展開やけど、フリューゲル=スバルがクソなことしたのも良い理由があったと納得する話やな。2ちゃん
Xiknail
原文
I mean, Satella has time powers, so I would be VERY surprised if the big twist isn't gonna be that in the future, Subaru dies, making Emilia go crazy, unlocking time powers, which leads to her going back in time with the single minded goal to keep Subaru alive no matter the cost, unaware that she is the cause that kills Subaru in the first place, causing an infinite loop of suffering for everyone involved. And the endgame would obviously be that Subaru needs to find a way to break out of this loop by preventing Emilia to ever become Satella. No idea how Flugel = Subaru fits into this, but I am sure that could be explained somehow as well.
サテラが時間能力を持ってるってことは、この先スバルが死んでエミリアが狂って時間能力に目覚め、スバルを生き延びさせるため過去へ戻る…でも実は自分がスバルを殺す原因になってて無限ループ、っていう大どんでん返しが来ると思ってる。スバルがそのループを断ち切るのが終盤の筋書きで、フリューゲル=スバル説も絡むはず。考察くん
shad79
原文
I can somehow understand that Volcanica thought of Emilia as Satella , but him recognizing Patrasche was so surprising that it left me speechless. Plus, there's the fact that Emilia's hand is identical to the handprint on that stone (surely Satella's). So what the hell is going on? Does that mean that Subaru and Emilia (plus Patrasche ) went back in time and somehow became Flugel and Satella? Is this some kind of time loop? What the hell....
ヴォルカニカがエミリアをサテラと認識したのはまだ分かるけど、パトラッシュを認識したのは驚きすぎて言葉出んかったわ。あとエミリアの手が石の手形(絶対サテラのやつ)と一致してるし。マジで何が起きてんねん?スバルとエミリア(+パトラッシュ)が過去に飛んでフリューゲルとサテラになったってこと?タイムループなんか?ガチで意味不明やわ…2ちゃん
Drayenn
I wouldn't be surprised that if Subaru went up.. he'd recognize him as Flugel too. There's some bigger plot in the story for sure.
スバルが塔に登ったら…フリューゲルだと気づいても驚かないな。絶対なんか大きな伏線あるって!感情くん
SaboTheRevolutionary
Honestly, yeah that makes complete sense if that did happen and wouldn't you know it? Subaru gets teleported to who knows where before he can meet Volcanica
せやな、もしそうなってたら完全に納得やわ。そして案の定、スバルはヴォルカニカに会う前にどっか知らんとこに飛ばされるンゴね2ちゃん
joe4553
Flugel and Satella ran a Zoo in the desert. That's why all the animals seem to love Subaru.
フリューゲルとサテラが砂漠で動物園を経営してたんだよ。だから動物たちがみんなスバルに懐いてるんだ!感情くん
Frontier246
Volcanica: "I did not truly recognize your game until you brought Patrasche!"
ヴォルカニカ「お前がパトラッシュを連れてくるまで、ワイはお前の本気をガチで理解しとらんかったわ!」2ちゃん
actionfirst1
Volshaqica O'Neal
ヴォルシャキカ・オニール殿、それがしも同意にござる。武士
Drayenn
Volcanica remembering Patrasche definitely feels like theres much greater time manipulation in the air. With this arc, it feels like the entire future has been planned. Nobody else than Subaru could've solved the first trial for instance. Why do archbishops all have names from the earth's stars? I don't think it's just for cool factor. Can't wait to see to payoff at the end of the story.
ヴォルカニカがパトラッシュを覚えてたのは、もっと大きな時間操作が絡んでる気がする。この章、未来全部仕組まれてる感じがするな。第一の試練もスバル以外には解けなかったし。大罪司教の名前が地球の星から取られてるのはなんでだ?かっこいいだけじゃないと思うんだよな。物語の最後でどう回収されるのか楽しみで仕方ない。普通くん
michhoffman
I'm curious if it's the same Patrasche from way back then or just one that reminds him of the Patrasche he knew from back then. I wouldn't put it past Re:Zero for it to be the former given the Emilia/Satella and Subaru/Flugel connections.
昔のパトラッシュと同一なのか、それとも当時のパトラッシュを思い出させるだけの別個体なのか気になるな。エミリア/サテラやスバル/フリューゲルの繋がりを踏まえると、Re:ゼロなら同一個体という線も十分あり得るという考察ができる。考察くん
Any-Calligrapher2866
Time Displacement theory is real
時間移動説はマジだわ普通くん
ptd163
The fact that Volcanica recognized Patrasche unironically might be the biggest reveal of the season and it was such a blink and you miss scene too. I think that might be one of the biggest hints to there being some kind of time travel or time manipulation going on in this series and it not just being speculation.
ヴォルカニカがパトラッシュをガチで認識したの、今期最大の衝撃やろ。しかも一瞬すぎて見逃すシーンやったし。これ時間移動か時間操作がマジであるって最大のヒントやん、もう考察じゃなくて確証レベルやわ。2ちゃん
actionfirst1
Imagine you're fighting god and he takes a brief moment to acknowledge your cat name and everything
神と戦ってる時に、神が一瞬だけお前の猫の名前を認識してくれるとか…エモすぎるだろ…!感情くん
yjggy
You mean that Patrasche knows random side lizard? Yeah, what a twist!
てかパトラッシュがまさかのモブリザード知り合いとかやばくね!?まじで神展開じゃん!ギャル
SameEnergy
Maybe our great-grandkids will get to watch the series finale
孫の代までに最終回見れるかどうかやなwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
"I was there...when Rem woke up again..." "Okaaaay grandpa..."
「レムがまた目覚めた時…俺はそこにいたんだ…」「はいはい、おじいちゃん…」普通くん
Mundology
"She was as beautiful as the day I lost her"
「彼女、失ったあの日と同じくらい美しかったわ」ギャル
Etheo
Real talk though that scene killed me. Call the cops
マジな話、あのシーンで死んだ。警察呼んで感情くん
ggg730
It's such a trip that new viewers will watch these seasons and only have like a few seasons where rem is unconscious but in our perception of time it's been one bajillion years in between these moments.
新規視聴者はレムが昏睡してるシーズンが数話しかないって感じるんだろうけど、俺たちの体感時間だとその間に何億年も経ってるんだよな。普通くん
mekerpan
I'm 74, so I am much less likely to see everything resolved. 😉
74歳だから全部の解決見届けられないかも〜😉てかまじそれな笑ギャル
Benslayer76
Been seeing you in a lot of discussions( Dandandan, Gimai Seikatsu etc). With your good taste, the gods of anime will probably add 90 more years to your life.
最近よく色んな議論で見かけるね(ダンダダン、義妹生活とか)。君のセンスならアニメの神様も寿命90年延ばしてくれそう。普通くん
mekerpan
It would be nice if this were the case. I could use some compensating offsets.... 😉
そうだったらいいんだけどね〜。相殺できるもんがあったら助かるわ…😉ギャル
UnseenMarksman
We'll be watching it from Heaven
天国から見守ってるよ普通くん
mekerpan
😸
😸感情くん
NegimaSonic
原文
Even though I'm much younger, as things like Attack on Titan took 10 years to resolve, I can't help feel the conundrum about future series. I don't want shows rushed for the sake of it because then we get terrible adaptations that make no one happy. But at the same time I can't keep getting series that take 10 years to finish and I really do enjoy being able to see these series as they develop. I have no answer for you but I hope we both see the ending one day and if not, thanks for being here in this moment enjoying anime.
まだ若いけど、進撃の巨人とか10年かかったの見てると、今後の作品のこと考えちゃうんだよね。急いで作ってほしくないけど、10年かかるのも正直きつい。答えは出ないけど、いつか一緒に結末見られたらいいね。無理でも、今この瞬間アニメを楽しめてることに感謝だよ。普通くん
GinJoestarR
as things like Attack on Titan took 10 years to resolve It's been 10 years since Re:Zero anime started, yet they have only adapted like barely half of the source material, 25 volumes out of 46 (still ongoing). I can easily see Re:Zero light novel reaches 60+ volumes to end.
進撃の巨人が10年かかったみたいに、Re:ゼロもアニメ始まって10年経つのに原作の半分くらいしか映像化してへんやん。46巻中25巻(まだ連載中)って、最終巻60巻超えとか余裕でありそうやわ。2ちゃん
reallyjouzu
That's kind of insane when you think about it. Mushoku Tensei (which I started to read the LN after this cour finished) clocks in at 26 volumes for the main story and I think 4 extra volumes for epilogue. Slime had 23 volumes. Guess the author just loves writing..
考えてみるとマジでやばいよな。無職転生(今期終わってから原作読んだ)は本編26巻で、後日談が4巻くらいあったはず。スライムは23巻。作者は書くのが好きなんだろうな…普通くん
actionfirst1
"I was there, Gandalf. The great waifu wars of 2016, when the courage of men failed!"
拙者、その場におったでござる、ガンダルフ殿。2016年の大わいふ論争、人の勇気が失われたあの戦いよ!武士
AceSoldia
😂
😂ギャル
Kazuma_Megu
Considering that the novels are still years from being finished...sigh.
小説が完結するまでまだ何年もかかると思うと…ため息が出るな。普通くん
DarkChaplain
At this point I expect the anime to outpace Yen Press's light novel translations. They only just got to volume 29, and the next arc runs til 33. You'd think they'd have caught up more in the past 10 years...
この時点でアニメがYen Pressのラノベ翻訳を追い抜くと思う。向こうはまだ29巻で、次のアークは33巻まである。10年も経てばもっと追いついてると思わないか…という考察ができる。考察くん
ptd163
Considering it takes 4 years to make each season and the LNs are still years from being finished the anime out living them is a real concern for Millennials and older. Maybe even Gen Z as well.
各シーズン制作に4年かかって、原作もまだ何年もかかりそうだから、アニメが原作より先に終わっちゃうかもってのはミレニアル世代以上にはマジで心配だよね。Z世代もありえるかも。普通くん
CrimeFightingScience
Dude, this is how I feel about this series. They complete the tower. Ok, maybe we'll get some linear progression and ANY answers. But no, more ancient people that know JACK SQUAT and 50 more mysteries. I doubt they'll complete this story in my lifetime.
このシリーズへの感想はまさにこれだよな。塔を攻略した。よし、これで直線的な進行と“何かしらの”答えが得られるかも……と思いきや、そうじゃない。何も知らない古代の連中がまた出てきて、謎がさらに50個追加されるだけ。俺の生きてるうちにこの物語が完結するとは思えんわ。考察くん
Return_By_Cringe
2016: Rem cliffhanger, unknown amount of time until next season 2026: Rem cliffhanger, unknown amount of time until next season
2016年:レムで続く、次シーズンいつか不明 2026年:レムで続く、次シーズンいつか不明 草、10年経っても同じやんけwww2ちゃん
Civil-Initial2942
Actually🤓, there wasn't a cliffhanger in the first season, it ended on a beautiful moment with Emilia, and that was it. The cliffhanger only appeared in the Director's Cut version released in 2020, meaning viewers had to wait only about three months for the second season.
実はさ、1期はクリフハンガーじゃなくてエミリアとの美しいシーンで終わったんだよね。クリフハンガーは2020年のディレクターズカット版で初めて出たやつで、2期まで待ったのは約3ヶ月だけだったんだ。普通くん
Theleux
I remember it happening because I hosted the "rewatch" that was basically the Director's Cut being released back then. That final thread was really interesting because they added that Rem scene at the end as they prepped for S2 to air shortly after.
「リウォッチ」を主催していたから覚えてるんだよな。当時ディレクターズカット版が出てて、最終スレがめちゃくちゃ面白かった。S2放送直前に向けた準備として、ラストにレムのシーンが追加されたんだよね。考察くん
Mundology
We have waited so many years for this sleeping oni beauty to finally wake up that seeing it felt cathartic in spite of the circumstances.
何年も待ってた眠れる鬼の美女がついに目覚めて、状況はアレだけど見られてスッキリしたわ普通くん
Theleux
They handled it really well, felt very much like the S1 scene, regardless of the circumstances being different now, haha.
めっちゃ丁寧に作られてて、状況は違えどS1のシーンそっくりで草2ちゃん
Return_By_Cringe
Honestly forgot the non-director's cut even existed lol
正直、ノンディレクターズカット版の存在なんて忘れてたわ笑普通くん
Frontier246
As someone who got into the show through the directors cut, I feel this lol.
監督版からこの作品ハマった民としてはまじでそれな笑ギャル
LeloThePGG
Personally, I still kinda prefer the regular cut. I'm a sucker for the ED playing during the final, tragic part of the episode, and while the Director's Cut managed to keep some of those moments, having double episodes forced the staff to remove a few of them
個人的には通常版の方がまだ好きかな。EDがエピソード終盤の悲劇的な場面で流れる演出に弱いんだよね。監督版もその要素をいくつか残してはいたけど、2話分まとめたせいでスタッフがいくつか削らざるを得なかったという考察ができる。考察くん
MillenniumKing
They cant keep gettign away with this.
ずるずる逃げ得は許されないでしょ、もう。普通くん
Frontier246
Tappei Nagatsuki and torturing people over Rem...name a better duo!
長月達平とレムいじめ…これ以上に最強のコンビなんてあるんかwww2ちゃん
PenguinsInvading
I hope this time it's fast because it's getting annoying now.
今回は早く進んでほしいな、正直もうイライラしてきたよ。普通くん
WFAlex
10 goddamn years... and Tappei was like "and i'll fcking do it again"
10年だぜ…それなのにタッペイときたら「またやってやるぜ」だと…!無理すぎるッ!感情くん
BosuW
And we'll thank him for it Motherfucker has successfully tamed us
そして俺たちは彼に感謝するんだよな。あの野郎、俺たちを完全に手懐けやがった普通くん
Frontier246
It's like they're contractually obligated to end on a cliffhanger of someone forgetting something/someone and most of which involves Rem.
契約で縛られとるんかってくらい毎回誰かが何か/誰かを忘れるクリフハンガーで終わるよな、しかもほぼレム絡みやし草2ちゃん
Rabbitey-
From "Who is Rem" to "Who are you?" 🥀
「レムは誰?」から「お前は誰だ?」へ 🥀普通くん
Silent_Ad379
"I'm just glad you have reevaluated your own worth" this is quite literally the the point of the season distilled into a single sentence
「自分の価値を見直せてよかったな」って、今シーズンのテーマをたった一文に凝縮したようなもんやん。ガチで刺さるわ2ちゃん
Frontier246
Julius: "I'm glad you've gained more love for yourself as I love you." Subaru: "Huh?" Julius: "I said what I said."
ジュリアス「自分をもっと好きになれてよかったね、私が愛してるように」スバル「は?」ジュリアス「言ったことは言ったんだよ」てかこれまじでやばくない?笑ギャル
Possible-Usual-9357
‘This is this and that is that’ ahh line.
「これはこれ、それはそれ」って感じのセリフやなwww2ちゃん
chowder-san
At last Julius acknowledged his place in Subaru's harem
ついにユリウスがスバルのハーレムの一員だと認めた…優勝すぎるッ!感情くん
CelioHogane
The entire arc was Subaru surrounded by people that love him and also Anastasia Hoshin.
スバルが愛してくれる人たちと、あとアナスタシア・ホーシンに囲まれてた章だったな。普通くん
Jeihan313
She was only there half the time
彼女、半分しかいなかったじゃん!ギャル
ArtofKuma
Bro I don't get how Teppei writes his male relationships as if it was BL, he has talent for it.
てっぺいが男同士の関係をBLみたいに書くの、なんでこんなに上手いんや…才能やろこれ2ちゃん
CitronClassic672
Same way of a lot of Shonen authors write unintentionally BL relationships. When you’re not trying to force a romantic relationship between two characters it can end up being more compelling because it feels natural.
少年漫画の作者が意図せずBL的な関係を描いちゃうのと同じだね。無理に恋愛関係にしようとしない方が自然で魅力的に見えるんだよ。普通くん
shad79
Amnesia is usually such a cliché that it can easily ruin an entire show, so I'm glad that wasn't the case here. With Subaru , it actually did the exact opposite—it made the story and his character growth even better.
記憶喪失って大体ありきたりで作品ぶち壊すやん?でもスバルは逆で、話もキャラの成長もむしろ神になってて草2ちゃん
ArcFox01
This is the only show I've seen where an amnesia plot line worked. Really makes me wonder why every other show that attempted it never did it like this.
記憶喪失の展開がちゃんと機能してるアニメはこれだけだわ。他の作品はなんでこうしなかったんだろうって本気で思う。普通くん
AmourIsAnime
There's levels to this shyt. I've lost track of what level we are currently on, but at this point Re:Zero plays with Amnesia like it's attached to a string, and the cat never gets bored. Still .... Feelsbad for Shaula... I want my Shaula back! Dare you to watch the ED again and not understand the last scene.
この深さには段階があるんだよな。今どの段階にいるのかもう追えなくなってきたけど、ここまで来るとRe:ゼロは記憶喪失をまるで紐に繋がれたおもちゃみたいに弄んでて、猫は全然飽きないわけだ。とはいえ…シャウラが不憫でならない…俺のシャウラを返してくれ!EDをもう一度見て、ラストシーンを理解せずにいられるか試してみろよ。考察くん
Zarerion
The white whale, Gluttony, RBD, Subaru not remembering Shaula.
白鯨、暴食、死に戻り、スバルがシャウラを覚えてない件な2ちゃん
ptd163
Re:Zero season 4 might honestly be one of the best amnesia arcs I've seen in all of fiction. Not only was it not cliché or contrived as it easily could've been, it served to only elevate Subaru's growth even more.
Re:ゼロ4期は正直、フィクション全体で見ても最高の記憶喪失編の一つだと思う。ありがちで無理やりな展開になりかねないのに、そうならなかっただけでなく、スバルの成長をさらに引き立ててくれた。普通くん
RapCabral
Not only that but the author used the amnesia to use the protagonist to tell himself how great he is without having some conventionally OP ability. Genuinely genius what was done here
てか作者が記憶喪失使って、主人公にチート能力なしでも自分マジすごいって自画自賛させたの、ガチ天才じゃん!ギャル
CitronClassic672
原文
I think the reason Amnesia worked with Subaru is that unlike typical amnesia plots it wasn’t used to undo character development and extend the story, but to provide further character development. We get to see Subaru from the beginning of the series and all his issues reconcile with the relationships he’s built over 3 seasons and the image he’s built of himself in his mind. Subaru’s core issue at the start of the series is that he tries so hard to appear heroic because he fundamentally thinks he’s anything but. His memory loss forces him into a circumstance where he’s already seen as a hero but he has no idea why. His self worth is so bad he genuinely considers the Natsuki Subaru that is viewed as a hero to be a separate person from himself. The climax being that the hero everyone knows is just himself. To put it another way, Subaru’s amnesia arc works because it isn’t treated as an amnesia story, but more like an AU fanfiction. “What if Subaru was isekaid into arc 6 of the story instead of arc 1?”
スバルの記憶喪失がうまく機能したのは、典型的な記憶喪失ものと違ってキャラ成長をなかったことにして話を引き延ばすんじゃなく、さらなる成長につなげたからだと思う。シリーズ序盤のスバルと、3シーズンかけて築いた関係性や自己イメージがどう折り合うか見られる。スバルの根っこの問題は「自分は英雄なんかじゃない」と思ってるのに英雄ぶろうとすること。記憶を失って、なぜか英雄扱いされてる状況に放り込まれる。自己肯定感が低すぎて、英雄とされてる菜月昴を別人だと思っちゃう。クライマックスは、みんなが知る英雄が自分自身だって気づくこと。要は記憶喪失というより「スバルが1章じゃなく6章に転生したら?」なAU二次創作みたいな扱いなのが良かったんだよね。普通くん
Beginning-Hope-2600
原文
I think the reason Amnesia worked with Subaru is that unlike typical amnesia plots it wasn’t used to undo character development and extend the story, but to provide further character development. I think you nailed it here. It often feels like a lot of amnesia plots are largely used to either a) basically freeze character development in place, b) extend the plot, or c) manufacture melodrama and angst for the characters involved. The amnesia here is mainly used to actually interrogate Subaru's traits, which is the exact opposite of the most common usage of the trope, but the melodrama it creates also has real, critical consequences because of the network of mysteries and secrets within the tower. His conversation with Julius and Eridna/Anastasia, Meili's attempts to murder him, his relationship with Ram, etc. mean that the loss of his memories has real ramifications which we see play out across those loops. It also completely decapitates the rest of the group, who are now without their leader in a dangerous situation in the tower, and they literally admit that themselves. It also helps that memory loss has been a pretty big feature in the series since the beginning. We obviously have the gluttony siblings and the concept of stealing ones name or memories, but RBD also interrogates the idea of memories quite a bit. A lot of the second arc is built around what Subaru remembers yet nobody else does, so I think the idea playing with memory is a bit more ingrained in the fabric of ReZero compared to a lot of other series and fits far more naturally as a result.
この「記憶喪失」がスバルに対して機能した理由は、典型的な記憶喪失ものと違い、キャラクターの成長をリセットして話を引き延ばすためではなく、さらなる成長を描くために使われたからだという考察ができる。多くの記憶喪失プロットは、a)成長を停止させる、b)話を引き延ばす、c)メロドラマやアングストを製造する、のいずれかに使われがちだ。だがここでの記憶喪失は、スバルの本質を問い直すために使われており、これは trope の最も一般的な用法とは正反対だ。しかも塔内の謎と秘密のネットワークのせいで、生まれるメロドラマが実際に重大な帰結を持つ。ユリウスやエリドナ/アナスタシアとの会話、メィリィの殺害未遂、ラムとの関係など、記憶喪失は各ループで現実の影響を及ぼす。さらにグループは塔という危険な状況でリーダーを失い、彼ら自身もそれを認めている。記憶喪失がシリーズ当初から大きな要素だった点も効いている。暴食の姉弟や名前・記憶を奪う概念はもちろん、RBDも記憶の在り方を問い続けてきた。第2章の多くは、スバルだけが覚えていて誰も覚えていない記憶で構築されている。Re:ゼロは他の作品以上に記憶を弄るアイデアが作品の織り目に染み込んでおり、だからこそ自然に機能するのだと思われる。考察くん
CelioHogane
Subaru said "Beako does 70%!" and Julius heard "He believes he is doing 30%, that's an improvement"
スバルが「ベア子が70%やった!」って言ったのを、ジュリウスは「自分は30%だと思ってる…成長したな」って解釈したの、エモすぎる…!!感情くん
apgp123
PATRASCHE?????
パトラッシュ?????普通くん
WhoiusBarrel
Real recognises real, greatness truly among all the names he mentions like Reid and such.
本物は本物を知るってやつじゃん!Reidとかあの辺の名前の中でもまじでヤバい存在感なんだよね!ギャル
DustyBot23
That was crazy, wtf is going on!
やばすぎ、何が起きてるんだ!普通くん
golgol12
You're not smelling the time loop going on? I'm smelling it. You don't wake up in an unfamiliar field after the credits for no reason.
タイムリープの匂い、感じないのか?俺は感じてるぞ。エンドロールの後に見知らぬ野原で目覚めるなんて、理由があるに決まってるだろ!感情くん
ShadowGuyinRealLife
I don't think this is a time loop. I mean I'm sure there was something funky going on with time when Emilia touched the handprint. But the ending seems to be something completely different. Nothing there Subaru would recognize. So I think they got physically thrown there.
これは時間ループではないという考察ができる。エミリアが手形に触れた時、時間に何か異常が起きたのは確かだろう。だが結末は全く別物に見える。スバルが認識できるものが何もない。つまり物理的にあの場所へ飛ばされたと考えられる。考察くん
DrMobius0
Nah, everybody is doing time shenanigans this season. It's the meta.
いや、今期はみんな時間モノやってるわ。それがメタやろ。2ちゃん