_puzzled_piece_
ラム
一層“マイア”に到着したエミリアを待っていたのは、ルグニカ三英傑“神龍”ボルカニカ。なぜか同じ言葉を繰り返すだけの神龍を相手に、最後の“試験”が始まる。一方、螺旋階段ではライとラムが対峙していた。
エピソードサムネイル
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Can someone help explain the whole gluttony splitting in half and going into subaru and then chickening out thing? I kind of get it. She wants to feed on memories of death. But how/why did she inhabit him when all gluttonies just eat people instead? Why did she split in order to do so? And why was her only solution letting her go? I feel like it might have skipped some source material or something idk.
誰か説明してくれない?暴食が半分に分かれてスバルに入ってビビって逃げたやつ。死の記憶を食いたいのは分かる。でもなんで憑依できたの?なんで半分に分かれた?なんで逃がすしかなかった?原作飛ばした気がする。普通くん
Sgtcarrotop
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Rui ate Subaru's memories, but as she explained his memories of death are not as fresh as the real thing. It's the difference between viewing an experience and living the experience. So she doesn't understand how horrible death is. She thinks it's not a big deal, and may even be a new frontier of flavors to indulge in. She also wants RBD. A big thing cut from the anime was Rui's characterization of how she envies other people that live their lives haphazardly. They get to have bodies but they waste their lives, make mistakes, they waste the privilege of having a body and she resents that. She believes they are all idiots and she could do better at life than any of them. What she wants is the perfect life, a life she believes she achieve if she manages to steal RBD. Again because she doesn't understand that death is hell, she enacts this plan to try and steal RBD. The plan is fairly simple. Split herself and as a witch factor enter Subaru, from there do many mean things to drive a wedge between Natsuki Subaru and 'Natsuki Subaru' so he sufficiently differentiates from himself. From there, she hopes to devour the new identity that has separated itself from 'Natsuki Subaru', empty him out and become Natsuki Subaru, thus acquiring RBD. Unfortunately for her. Subaru is a monster and what was originally a joyride taking RBD for a spin, became a kind of hell i don't think she had a way to escape from. So in a way i think she was trapped and couldn't bail once she figured out that Subaru won't break and also RBD is a hellish ability. She no longer wants it. When Subaru reconnected with himself and stripped Rui away, she had no intention of going back. Her desire of "I want to become happy" had been completely transformed into "I don't want to die". The kicker here, is that these memories of RBD are real ones. These are her own memories she's earned of RBD from within this body. It's not like the meals of memories she's devoured that she can curate and get rid of if she so wished. She cannot get rid of these personal experiences of death. That's what Subaru meant by her not running away from her memories. Subaru basically threatened her with not saving her, cutting off her ties out of here by murdering her brothers, and leaving her here alone with just her memories of death that she can't get rid of. Cold as fuck, but deserved.
ルイはスバルの記憶を喰ったが、死の記憶は実体験ほど鮮明じゃない。経験を見るのと実際に生きるのの違いだ。だから死の恐怖を理解できず、大したことない、むしろ新たな味覚の開拓とすら思っている。彼女は死に戻りも欲しがっていた。アニメでカットされた重要な点として、ルイは他者の人生への嫉妬がある。身体を持ちながら無駄に生き、過ちを犯す彼らを「愚か」と軽蔑し、自分ならもっと上手く生きられると考えている。彼女が求めるのは完璧な人生で、死に戻りを奪えば実現できると信じていた。死が地獄だと理解していないからこそ、この計画を実行した。計画は単純で、自分を分裂させ魔女因子としてスバルに入り込み、スバルと「スバル」の間に亀裂を生んで別個の存在へ分化させ、新たなアイデンティティを喰らい空にしてスバルになり代わり死に戻りを手に入れる。だがスバルは怪物だった。当初は死に戻りを楽しむつもりが地獄と化し、スバルが折れないと悟った時には逃げられなくなっていた。彼女はもう死に戻りを望まない。「幸せになりたい」という願望は「死にたくない」へと完全に変貌した。重要なのは、これらの死に戻りの記憶は本物で、この身体で得た彼女自身の記憶だということ。喰った記憶のように都合よく消せない。スバルが「記憶から逃げるな」と言ったのは考察くん
koogam
Was subaru's isekai memories what saved him from getting emptied out at first?
スバルの異世界記憶ってのが最初にエンプティ化されなかった理由なんじゃね?てかまじでそれ気になるんだけど笑ギャル
Sgtcarrotop
If recall correctly, Subaru's weird immunity to gluttony was the culprit. Which we don't know the exact cause of either. Rui did eat his memories, but he didn't forget anything as a result of that. So it's like what she got was a copy. His amnesia came secondary as a result of split rui piggy backing on his soul. The exact mechanic of that is still debated.
記憶が正しければ、スバルが「暴食」に対して妙な耐性を持っていたのが原因だと思われる。これも正確な理由は不明だがな。レイは確かにスバルの記憶を喰ったが、その結果スバルは何も忘れなかった。つまり彼女が得たのはコピーのようなものだ。スバルの記憶喪失は、分離したレイが魂に寄生した二次的な結果であり、その正確なメカニズムは今も議論の的だ。考察くん
_puzzled_piece_
I think I get it, but why does she need to go through the trouble of making a new identity for subaru? I get she can't eat the same person twice. But if she can "become" the second subaru why doesn't she do that with the first?
理解したつもりだけど、なんでスバルの新しい身分をわざわざ作る必要があるんだ?同じ人間を二度食えないのは分かる。でも二人目のスバルに「なれる」なら、最初のスバルでもよくない?普通くん
Sgtcarrotop
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She can't readily become him is the issue. The goal of her strategy is to create the situation where that is possible. Think of it like this, she wants him to differentiate from himself so she can eat him again, this time hopefully completely, then hollow him out and from the inside the empty shell solar eclipse to become him. The ability she's more proficient with than her brothers due to her lacking a strong sense of self. Her plan for this was that even if it failed, the rui's could just switch places and keep doing it. Her plan wasn't that great and mostly relied on, 'we will just keep trying until it works'.
奴が彼奴へと成り代わる、其れ即ち容易には叶わぬ業。故に奴の策とは、其の状況を創り出す為の布石に他ならぬ。我が解釈を述べれば、奴は彼奴を自己より乖離せしめ、再び喰らわんと欲す。今度こそ完全に喰らい尽くし、空殻となった器を内より蝕み、日蝕の如き虚無を経て彼奴へと成り変わるのだ。奴が兄弟らより此の能力に長けるは、確たる自我を持たぬが故。策が破れようと、累の者らが入れ替わり繰り返せば良い。されど其の策、大したものではなく、只々「成功するまで試し続ける」に依存せしのみ。中二病
Ok-Worldliness-7374
She ate Subaru, it wasn't enough and she can't eat the same person twice. So her plan was to go inside Subaru and change him enough to the point where she could eat him again
スバルを食べたけど足りなくて、同じ人は二度食べられないから、スバルの中に入って別物になるまで変えてまた食べるつもりだったってことじゃん!やばくね?ギャル
Rockosd
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I would recommend reading her chapter in the web novel from witch cults site its chapter 75 of arc 6. Ut to put it simply as i can she is traped i. That space and has no body of her own, she can get out if she takes the tight name and memories to become that person but she has becomes obsessed with finding the perfect life to be happy. Rhen she finds subaru and discovers RBD and thinks she can make her life perfect if she can just redo anything she dosnt like but needs a ways to steal it from subaru and her plan was if she could separate the new subaru from the old this new person separately from Subaru is a valid target to eat and she could then take that new life for herself.
ウェブノベルの魔女教サイトのアーク6第75章を読むのをおすすめするよ。簡単に言うと、彼女はあの空間に閉じ込められてて自分の体がないんだ。正しい名前と記憶を取ってその人になれば出られるけど、完璧な人生を求めて執着しちゃってる。スバルを見つけて死に戻りを知り、嫌なことをやり直せば完璧な人生にできると思った。スバルから死に戻りを奪う方法が必要で、新しいスバルと古いスバルを分離すれば、新しい方は食べられる対象で、その人生を自分のものにできるって計画だったんだ。普通くん
Gekkogyf21
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I may be wrong here so please correct me if so. She wanted to inherit his Authority. Normally, Witch factors/Authorities only transfer to specific people, such as Subaru who can just collect em all like pokemon. For context, Rui does not have a body, her soul resides in the Corridor of Memories. Her brothers send her memories because despite their insane evil personalities, they still care deeply about her and want her to have them. Her idea was to split her soul in two, one would piggyback onto the amnesiac Subaru's soul while the other would stay in the Corridor of Memories and manipulate the situation as needed. The goal would be to break Subaru down mentally and spiritually, then take over the empty physical husk so they could steal RbD. The Piggybacking Rui experienced every death, and found out the hard way that it really fucking sucks and that she would do anything to avoid death Then when they encountered each other, the Rui with no experience with death thought the other one was hogging it for herself, and thats when the fight between them breaks out.
ワイ間違ってたら訂正してくれ。彼女は昂の権能を継承したかったんや。普通、魔女因子/権能は特定の人間にしか移らん。スバルみたいにポケモンみたいに全部集められる奴もおるけどな。ルイは体がなくて、魂は記憶の回廊におる。兄貴たちが記憶を送るんは、狂った悪党でも妹を大事に思っとるからや。彼女の狙いは魂を二つに分けて、片方を記憶喪失のスバルの魂に寄生させ、もう片方は回廊に残して状況を操作することやった。目的はスバルを精神的・霊的に壊して、空っぽの体を乗っ取り死に戻りを奪うことや。寄生したルイは毎回の死を経験して、死がガチでクソすぎて絶対避けたいと思うた。そして二人が出会った時、死を経験してない方のルイがもう片方が独り占めしとると思い込んで、そこで戦いが始まったんや。2ちゃん
Heavy-Editor-947
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Rui Arneb initially tried eating Subaru, but it didn't... quite 'go down the hatch' (I presume due to his Earth memories not sitting well with this world) Once she learned of RbD, she thought it would be perfect for herself, so she finished her meal by splitting herself (she's just a soul and never had a physical body) and the 'Other' Rui ate Subaru. Then using Solar Eclipse to transform into 'Natsuki Subaru' putting herself in the hole inside Subaru's Soul created from the loss of his memories and experience by the Authority of Gluttony. It's why the Witch of Envy often killed Subaru in the previous loops, she just couldn't exactly kill Rui because she was nested within his soul rather than Petelgeuse invading his body with a distinct soul.
ルイ・アルネブは最初スバルを食べようとしたけど、うまく「飲み込めなかった」んだよね(たぶん地球の記憶がこの世界と合わなかったから)。死に戻りを知ってからは自分にぴったりだと思って、自分を分裂させて食事を完了させた(彼女は魂だけで肉体を持ったことがない)。そして「もう一人の」ルイがスバルを食べた。その後日食を使って「菜月スバル」に変身し、暴食の権能で記憶を失ったスバルの魂の穴に入り込んだ。だから嫉妬の魔女が前のループでスバルをよく殺したんだ、ペテルギウスのように明確な魂で体を侵略するんじゃなく、ルイはスバルの魂に巣食っていたから正確には殺せなかったんだよ。普通くん