魔入りました!入間くん 第4シリーズ

教師寮へ潜入せよ!/女子会に新メンバー⁉

2026.7.4 r/anime

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教師寮へ潜入せよ!/女子会に新メンバー⁉
サリバンとオペラの計らいで教師寮を見学することになった入間。カルエゴとダリに案内されながら、いざ大人悪魔の巣へ潜入!そこで、個性豊かな教師陣の知られざる一面を目撃することに。(「教室寮へ潜入せよ!」)
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1tsPLAY-time
Man, I can't say this enough! I love these side characters! Even the teachers (who are usually sidelined in stories, and like, only 1 or two get the spotlight) feel like actual people demons living their own lives and not just teachers who only do is teach, but they do have high regards to their jobs as teachers with last scene with the conference
ほんとこれ言い足りないんだけど、この作品の脇キャラが大好き!先生たちも(普通の作品だと大体脇に追いやられて、スポットライト当たるのは1〜2人だけど)ちゃんと自分の人生を生きてる"悪魔"って感じがするんだよね。ただ教えるだけの先生じゃなくて、最後の会議シーンみたいに教師としての誇りも持っててさ。普通くん
JzanderN
原文
Man, I can't say this enough! I love these side characters! One of the big selling points of Iruma-kun is that so many of the characters are just so lovable, you genuinely could have an episode focusing on a side character without Iruma involved and it would be enthralling. But never without overshadowing the main cast! Iruma still rises above them all to be one of, if not THE best characters in the whole series!
まあ、その気持ちは分かるな。確かにこの作品の良いところは、脇キャラもみんな魅力的ってとこだよな。入間抜きで脇キャラに焦点当てたエピソードでも普通に面白いし、かといってメインを食うわけでもない。その上で入間自身もシリーズ最高クラスのキャラに仕上がってる。悪くないバランスだ。ドライおじ
Galle_
I love Iruma as a protagonist so much. For the target audience, he's both relatable and a good role model, and his character arc is basically a (very wholesome) power fantasy. For us older fans, he's basically perfectly designed to evoke parental instincts, and then we're all proud parents whenever he succeeds at something.
ガチで入間くん主人公として最高やわ。ターゲット層からしたら共感できるし良いお手本になるし、キャラ成長がマジで健全なパワーファンタジーやん。ワイら古参ファンからしたら、もう完全に親心くすぐられる設計で、入間が何か成功するたびに「うちの子すごいやろ!」ってなってるンゴwww2ちゃん
JzanderN
And for both audiences, his growth is so good! Rewatch the first season, he feels so weird compared to what he is right now, and he has far more to go!
マジで入間くんの成長エグくない!?笑 最初のシーズン見返すと今と違ってなんか変な感じするんだけど、まだまだ伸びしろあるしヤバすぎる!ギャル
CooroSnowFox
He's only just started to drop being nervous around everything, there are still those areas but he's grown and it's not been sudden, its because hes found his place and they accept him (not knowing he's human... or do they?)
確かに。最初はビクビクしてたけど、最近ようやく緊張がほぐれてきた感じだよね。まだそういう部分は残ってるけど、成長してるのはわかる。急に変わったわけじゃなくて、居場所を見つけたからだと思う。人間だって知らないけど…いや、知ってるのかな?普通くん
JzanderN
(not knowing he's human... or do they?) They don't even know humans exist, let alone that Iruma is one. As far as the Misfit Class knows, humans are an old fairy tale.
(入間が人間だって知らないのか…いや知ってるのか?) そもそも人間の存在自体知らないんだよ!入間が人間だなんて当然知るわけない!問題児クラスにとって人間はただの古いおとぎ話なんだよな…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
CooroSnowFox
Although sabnock has to be one of the nearest to finding out...hes all about the demon king and has said. Although we've not heard the misfits take on it, just OTHER demons... My main thing is when its time to reveal by kirio when it happens is the response "we know hes human"
サブノックは悪魔王に執着してるからこそ、入間の正体に最も近い位置にいるキャラだと思われるんだよな。問題は、問題児クラス内の反応がまだ描かれてないってことだ。他の悪魔たちの反応は出てるけどな。俺の最大の関心は、キリオが入間の人間性を暴露した瞬間に「知ってるよ」って返される展開が来るかどうかだ。考察くん
Karthull
Previous season I saw someone theorize and I think it’s might be likely that when it’s revealed azz would have a moment of stunned shock rethinking everything about life before being interrupted by Clara saying she already knew and he’d snap out of it and immediately accept
前シーズンで誰かが考察してたんやけど、アズが衝撃で人生見直す→クララが「ワイはとっくに知っとったで」って割り込んで、即受け入れる流れ来そうやなって。ガチでありそうで草2ちゃん
yurilnw123
I don't think this show is the kind that pulls cheap trope like that though.
わかる!この作品はそういう安いテンプレートに頼らない感じがするんだよなッ!感情くん
CooroSnowFox
It has to be serious but knows when to pull the rug out at the time time... just to build up to it just falling a little flat.
確かにw シリアスなシーンなのに、最後にちょっと肩透かし食らう感じが入間くんらしいよな笑 でもそれがまたいいんだよなwwwwおじ
CooroSnowFox
We've got side stories for Kalego/Balam/Opera, you could have one for just the teachers alone,
やばくね!?カルエゴ、バラム、オペラのサイドストーリーとか超アツいじゃん!教師だけでスピンオフ作れるってマジ神案件だよね笑ギャル
justking1414
That’s what I think was missing from MHA. so many of the side characters got relegated to the back row and were basically never seen again. Iida was basically one of the main three but he did pretty much nothing after the stain arc and was just kinda there.
確かにMHAに足りなかったのはそれかも。サイドキャラの多くが後ろに追いやられてほぼ出番なくなったよね。イイダは主要3人の1人だったのに、ステイン編以降はほとんど活躍なくてただそこにいるだけだったし。普通くん
TheOneWithALongName
I can't really think on any other anime series that put this much effort into the teachers
まじで他のアニメでここまで先生たちに力入れてるとこある!?やばくね!?ギャル
ResearcherPretty4139
原文
Pretty much can only think of 'Great Teacher Onizuka' off the top of my head, but that series is nowhere near as pure/wholesome about the school culture or teaching as 'Iruma-kun' (ironic since Iruma-kun is literally set in the Demon World). But I do have to give 'GTO' credit that anime made me seriously consider becoming a teacher IRL when I saw it wayyy back in 2000 (the year it aired in Japan), and I can also imagine 'Iruma-kun' doing the same for other kids about to start high school.)
『GTO』が真っ先に浮かぶけど、あの作品は『入間くん』ほど学校文化や教育に対して純粋で健全な描き方じゃないんだよな(皮肉なことに『入間くん』は文字通り悪魔界が舞台なのにね)。でもGTOには敬意を表したい。2000年に日本で放送された当時、あのアニメを見て現実で教師になろうと真剣に考えたからね。そして『入間くん』も、もうすぐ高校に上がる子供たちに同じような影響を与えるんじゃないかと想像できるんだ。考察くん
1tsPLAY-time
There's MHA where the teachers are also heroes... Wait, nevermind.
まあ『ヒロアカ』も教師がヒーローって設定だったな……いや、やっぱいいや。ドライおじ
CooroSnowFox
I think MHA is overloaded with characters trying to be the focus... this is the slimmed down form of it
確かにMHAはキャラ増えすぎて焦点がぼやけてる感じはあるよね。これでもまだスリム化された方なんだな普通くん
Blupoisen
Aizawa wishes he was as cool as Kalego
相沢殿も、カレゴのような風格を身に着けたいと願っておるのだろうな。武士
1tsPLAY-time
Lmao, yeah. As salty as Kalego could be, at least her never made an expulsion threat in the first day of class * for funsies***
わかるわかる!笑 たしかにカルエゴって塩対応だけどさ、初日から退学脅しして遊ぶとかは絶対しないじゃん!てかアッチの方がやばくね!?笑ギャル
Frontier246
Even the teachers (who are usually sidelined in stories, and like, only 1 or two get the spotlight) feel like actual people demons living their own lives and not just teachers who only do is teach, but they do have high regards to their jobs as teachers with last scene with the conference Also I love some of the teachers joining with the demon equivalent of zoom because that feels so appropriate.
確かに。普段は脇役になりがちな教師陣にもちゃんと個性があって、ただ教えるだけじゃなくて仕事に誇りを持ってる感じが伝わってくる。会議のシーンも良かったし、悪魔版Zoomに参加してる先生たちがいてすごく自然で笑ったわ。普通くん
CooroSnowFox
The side characters aren't just there to boost the mains, they have their own personalities but don't clash with the main characters as well... very little wasted space in this series
わかる!サイドキャラが主役を引き立てるだけじゃなくて、ちゃんと個性あるんだよな。しかも主人公たちとぶつかり合わないのが最高…この作品、無駄がなさすぎるッ!感情くん
EPLWA_Is_Relevant
Not to mention that the teachers, and most adults, are competent and clearly not outclassed by mere students.
まじそれな!教師陣とか大人たちがちゃんと有能で、生徒に負けてないのやばくない!?普通のアニメだと大人って弱いイメージあるけど、ここは違うじゃん!ギャル
JzanderN
原文
NAFRA MY BELOVED Did any of you pick up that she was a girl? I know y'all thought she was a he last season, but if you paid attention this season you may have noticed that Ronove called her "Natasha" and had no problems touching her despite always fainting when another man touches him. I LOVE THAT LIED CROSSDRESSED AND IMMEDIATELY STARTED BATTING FOR THE TROUBLES GIRLS GO THROUGH TO LOOK FASHIONABLE! And even more I love that Iruma recognises Nafra despite never seeing her without her cloak on! And then there's Clara being embarrassed about her wings! Elizabetta recognised and quickly changed subject for her sake (the ANGEL that she is), but I wonder what's going on there? Man, I didn't even get to talk about the teacher's dorm tour. That had such a good ending it left a big impression on Iruma. Unlike Kalego, I think he has good potential as a teacher!
ナフラ好きすぎる!みんな彼女が女の子だって気づいた?前シーズンは男だと思ってたでしょ。でも今シーズンちゃんと見てれば、ロノウェが彼女を「ナターシャ」って呼んでたし、他の男に触られると気絶するのに平気で触れてたんだよね。女装して、女性がおしゃれする大変さを理解しようとしてるのが最高!しかも入間、外套なしのナフラをちゃんと認識してるのすごくない?クララが翼を恥ずかしがってたシーンも良かったな。エリザベッタが気づいてすぐ話題変えたの天使すぎる。あれ何か理由あるのかな?あと教師寮ツアーも良かった。カルエゴとは違って、入間は教師としての素質あると思うよ!普通くん
Frontier246
原文
Biggest twist of the season: Naphula is a girl and looks absolutely adorable. I love how Lead has to pivot to his sister bullying him to hide the amount of crossdressing he has had to do. Not that both aren't also true and teachable moments in their own right. I mean, of COURSE Iruma would notice her even outside her Jawa-form. I'm almost starting to wonder if she's part of the Iruma Harem now too. Have we not seen her wings or her flying before? But maybe she feels self-conscious because they pale in comparison to Ameri's or more "well-proportioned" demon women. He can be a Demon Lord who also pitches in as a teacher occasionally!
今期最大の衝撃的事実…ナフラが少女であり、その姿は実に愛らしい。リードが妹にいじられる形で、己の女装の数々を隠そうとする様は見事だ。無論、どちらも真実であり、それ自体が教訓を内包している。そう、我が入間が彼女をジャワの姿でなくとも見抜くのは当然の道理。最早、彼女も入間ハーレムの一員なのではと疑い始めている。これまで彼女の翼や飛行を見たことがあっただろうか?しかし、もしかするとアメリーや均整のとれた魔族の女性たちと比べ、自身が劣ると感じているのかもしれぬ。魔王でありながら、時に教師としても奮闘するのもまた良し!中二病
JzanderN
Have we not seen her wings or her flying before? We have not, nor have we seen any of her family's wings. During the flying test in episodes 4 & 5 Clara hopped on Azz's back instead of flying herself. And even when Iruma and Azz visited Clara's home, we saw Mama Valac holding onto a flying creature rather than using her own wings. Clara's wings have specifically never been shown.
確かにまだクララの羽根は見せてないね。飛行テストの時もアズに乗ってたし、家に行った時もママ・ヴァラクは空飛ぶ生き物に掴まってた。クララの羽根は意図的に隠してるのかもな。普通くん
Karthull
I realized right away that we’ve never seen her wings and after her reaction when asked now I really need to see them
あれマジか!!!今まで一度も彼女の翼見せてなかったんかwww 聞かれた時の反見て絶対見たくなったわwww2ちゃん
Karthull
I specifically remembered she jumped on azz during the flying test to ensure we never saw her wings so I assume the author has something in mind, after someone mentioned her mom using a creature to fly I’m guessing it’s something hereditary.
ふむ…あの飛行試験の時、彼女が意図的にアズに飛び乗ったのは、我々に翼を見せぬためだったのだな。誰かが彼女の母親が生物を使い空を飛んでいたと指摘した時、全ての点が繋がった——つまり、血に刻まれた宿命の証よ。中二病
yurilnw123
Technically not a spoiler, but you can look up Valac demon on google if you're curious.
ググったらヴァラクって悪魔出てきたんだけど、これってネタバレじゃないよな?でも気になるなら調べてみてッ!感情くん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
原文
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すみません、あなたのコメントは削除されました。これはスレッド上部の「原作コーナー」に投稿すべき内容です。現在放送中のアニメの議論スレッドでは、原作、スピンオフ、作者コメント、未アニメ化コンテンツの議論はそこに投稿してください。どんなに些細な原作との比較でも該当します。あなたのコメントはネタバレではなく、原作コーナー外での原作議論として削除されました。普通くん
CooroSnowFox
She's probably speedy enough she can sonic her way into the air..
やばくない!?あの子、超スピードでソニックばりに空飛べそうじゃん!笑ギャル
Galle_
Have we not seen her wings or her flying before? But maybe she feels self-conscious because they pale in comparison to Ameri's or more "well-proportioned" demon women. We have never seen Clara fly before! During the flying race she rode piggyback on Azz.
確かに、クララが羽根を広げて飛んでるところって今まで見たことなかったかも。飛行レースの時はアズに背負われてたしね。多分自分よりスタイルのいいアメちゃんとか他の悪魔の女の子と比べてコンプレックスがあるのかもな。普通くん
CooroSnowFox
Iruma is just a master of holding back these little bits that might mean something greater later
やばくね!?入間くん、後で大事になりそうな小ネタをちょいちょい隠すの上手すぎじゃん笑ギャル
Galle_
Never forget that Purson was there the whole time.
そういえばパーソンくんずっとそこにいたんだよな。あの存在感のなさが逆にすごいわ。普通くん
CooroSnowFox
Purson being in plain sight for x chapters before getting the main showing when the story needed it most, but also for how much character he has still to bring in for the future
まじパーソンやばくね!?何章もずっと視界にいたのに、ストーリーで一番必要な時にメインで登場してくるのとか神すぎじゃん!てか、まだまだこれからの展開で見せてくれるキャラの厚みがヤバそうだし、マジ楽しみすぎる!ギャル
ilikechess13
Biggest twist of the season: Naphula is a girl Wasnt this said like during harvest festival? or am i going crazy?
あれ、ナフラって女の子だったんだ。収穫祭の時点で言われてたっけ?俺の記憶違いかな普通くん
goldeneye007005
Yeah, We were told about it. The twist should actually be that she's a cute girl rather than some small weird creature.
確かに!事前に言われてたけど、まさか小さな謎生物じゃなくて可愛い女の子だったっていう衝撃がヤバすぎるッ!その展開エモすぎて無理!感情くん
CooroSnowFox
I dont think they mentioned her gender during that, just that she was part of the student council
確かに、あの場では性別については触れておらず、ただ生徒会の一員であるとだけ語られていたでござるな。武士
Mediocre-Act483
They actually hinted Naphula was female when attention hog touched her. I actually pointed that out
あの時、ナフラが女性ってちゃんと示唆されてたんだよね。俺も気づいてたわ普通くん
yurilnw123
She is a part of his harem, you are a part of his harem, everyone is a part of his harem. Hail the harem king Iruma!
ははっ、彼女もハーレムの一員、君もハーレムの一員、みんな入間のハーレムだッ!ハーレムキング入間様万歳!優勝すぎるだろこれ!!感情くん
ModieOfTheEast
Honestly, I never even thought about the question if Nafra is a guy or girl. But it was interesting to see that this "form" just came from a cloak. Also for the dorm tour, I so wanted to see Kalego's room but he seemingly doesn't live there. We need a home tour with Kalego now.
ナフラの性別とか全然考えたことなかったけど、あの「姿」がただのマントから来てたってのは面白かったな。寮ツアーでカレゴーの部屋見たかったんだけど、どうやら彼はそこに住んでないっぽいね。次はカレゴーの部屋ツアーが見たいわ。普通くん
Galle_
Yeah, the Naberiuses are actually quite wealthy, as shown by how Kalego has never even heard of instant noodles. Kalego has his own estate.
せやな、ナベリウス家はガチで金持ちやろwww カレゴがカップラーメン知らんってマジ? 自分の領地持ってる時点で草生えるンゴ2ちゃん
JzanderN
Kalego doesn't live in the dorms, and there are other teachers who commute rather than living in dorms as shown by them being at the meeting by call screens rather than in person.
確かに、カルエゴは寮には住んでないし、他の先生たちも画面越しで会議に出てるってことは通勤組なんだね。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
Yes I understood that, which is why I wrote "he seemingly doesn't live there".
わかる!だから「彼はそこには住んでないっぽい」って書いたんだよね。感情くん
darthvall
I thought there were minor signs? Like she blushed when Iruma asked something last season. I could misremember it from other series though
あれ?ちゃんと伏線あったやん 前シーズンで入間が何か聞いた時に顔赤くしてたやろ ワイの記憶違いかもしれんがな2ちゃん
Karthull
Nafra wtf is that how you spell her name? That’s not how they said it at all
え、ナフラってそんな書き方じゃないんだけど!?全然違うじゃん笑ギャル
SicSemperCogitarius
Could be the manga's transliteration.
多分漫画の表記揺れだね。普通くん
JzanderN
That's how it's spelled in the manga, which I read first, so I spell it that way.
漫画でそう表記されてたからそう書いてるだけやでワイが先に読んどるしな2ちゃん
yurilnw123
They say Nafura. Which could very well be Nafra in English. Doesn't matter if your sub spell Nafura, Naphula, or other variations. Katakana is Nafura
「ナフラって言ってるよね。英語表記だとNafraになる可能性もある。サブがNafuraでもNaphulaでも他の表記でも関係ない。カタカナはナフラだからな」感情くん
ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp
Precious Naph is precious.
ナフ可愛すぎて草www2ちゃん
Frontier246
Naphula was one of the underrated MVP's of season 3, and now she's a bonafide cute anime girl!
ナフラちゃん、第3シーズンの影のMVPだよね!今じゃ完全にかわいいアニメガールじゃん!やばくない?ギャル
ObvsThrowaway5120
Man, who knew Naphula was so cute? I liked how she tried to change things up but then got so flustered she decided to just go for a small accessory instead. So adorable!
ナフラってこんなに可愛かったんだね。変えようとしてみたけど慌てちゃって、結局小さなアクセサリーだけにしたのがいいよね。めっちゃ可愛いわ。普通くん
JzanderN
She probably would have decided to take smaller steps anyway, but I like that Iruma was the pushing point for her. She was just too embarrassed! Also, GOAT Iruma recognising her despite her looking nothing like she usually does.
うん、彼女もいずれは小さな一歩を踏み出そうとしていただろうけど、入間がその背中を押したきっかけになったのが良いよね。彼女が恥ずかしがりすぎてたってのもあるし!それに、普段とまったく違う姿でも彼女だと見抜いた入間はまさにGOATだな。考察くん
Frontier246
It's one thing to be turning heads for once, it's another thing for it to be from the guy you know the most (and might have a bit of a crush on?).
確かに普段と違って注目されるのは嬉しいけど、それが一番知ってる相手(しかもちょっと気になってる?)からってのはまた別だよね。普通くん
Galle_
I mean pretty much the entire student body has at least a bit of a crush on Iruma at this point.
やばくない!?もうほぼ全校生徒が入間くんにちょっとずつ恋してるじゃん笑ギャル
yurilnw123
Hail the harem king!
ハーレムキング万歳!普通くん
Frontier246
I liked how she tried to change things up but then got so flustered she decided to just go for a small accessory instead. It's always that first step that's important in fashion!
わかる〜!最初はガラッと変えようとしたのにテンパっちゃって、結局小物だけにしたってとこが超かわいいじゃん!笑 ファッションって最初の一歩が大事なんだよねー!ギャル
Mysteries67
You know what, I feel like this is the series where I don't mind the MC not being the hero/demon lord/assassin and he ends up being a teacher instead.
正直、主人公が魔王とか暗殺者じゃなくて先生になる展開、普通にいいなって思うんだよね。普通くん
Frontier246
We know he's destined to be the next Demon Lord but I feel like he can also contribute to the school and demon education along the way.
まじで入間は次期魔王確定だけど、学校とか悪魔の教育にもめっちゃ貢献できそうじゃない!?やばくね!?ギャル
justking1414
Demon lord can do whatever he wants. No reason he can’t teach
魔王様が何をしようが自由だよね。教えることだってできない理由ないじゃん。普通くん
Thomas_JCG
How soon have people forgot Assassination Classroom
まじでみんな暗殺教室のこと忘れてない!?笑 あれは神アニメだったじゃん!ギャル
Karthull
Exact opposite. We know he’s going to be the demon king, meanwhile I’m sick of all those other generic I’m ThE dEmOn LoRd mc
いやもう真逆すぎるッ!入間が魔王になるって分かってるのに、他の作品の「俺が魔王だ」系主人公にはもう飽き飽きなんだよ!感情くん
99anan99
The teacher's dorm looks like a very lively place to live. It's good to see that they do their jobs seriously. Naphula is adorable! Hope we get more moments of her and the other girls hanging out!
やばくね!?先生たちの寮めっちゃ楽しそうじゃん!みんな真面目に仕事してるの見れるのいいよね〜。ナフラちゃんかわいすぎる!もっと彼女と他の女子たちが一緒にいるシーン見たいんだけど!ギャル
Frontier246
Honestly I'm only disappointed we didn't get to see what the girls' dorm is like because I imagine that's just as fun (how many Kalego pictures would Momonoki have to hide in her room?). Now we need to get the entire girls' group together when Keroli has free time.
正直ちょっと残念なのは女子寮が見られなかったことかな。きっと同じくらい面白いはずだし(モモノキの部屋に何枚のカレゴの写真が隠れてるんだろうなって想像すると笑える)。次はケロリが暇な時に女子メンバー全員集めてほしいね。普通くん
alconnow
Naph-chan too cute I loved seeing the girls spend time together
ナフちゃんかわいすぎだろw 女子たちが一緒に過ごすの見れて最高だったわ笑wwwおじ
powerhcm8
I think this is what most modern Shounen are missing, some low/no stakes episodes between the arcs, in most shounen once they do some arcs they almost never get fun episodes like again.
確かに最近の少年漫画に足りないのはこれだよね。アークとアークの間に挟まる低リスクなエピソード。多くの作品だと一度本編入るとそういう楽しい回が二度と来なくなるし。普通くん
Galle_
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I honestly think Nishi is the only shounen mangaka to actually figure out what was wrong with the pacing of shounen in the Big Three era. Every other modern shounen series cuts out fluff like this in favor of accelerating its plot, but still has extremely long arcs that all have the highest possible stakes, which is the worst of both worlds - you lose out on world and character building and it still feels like nothing's happening. Iruma-kun keeps the fluff but cuts down the individual arcs to reasonable lengths.
西修先生は、ジャンプ黄金期の三大タイトル時代にあった少年漫画のテンポの問題を正しく認識し、改善できた唯一の作家だと思う。他の現代少年漫画は、こうした日常パートを削ってプロットを加速させる傾向にあるが、それでも極めて長い編構成で常に最高レベルの緊張感を保とうとする。これは最悪の両立で、世界観やキャラクターの掘り下げを犠牲にしつつ、結局何も進んでない感覚に陥る。対して入間くんは、日常パートを維持しながら個々の編を適切な長さに抑えている点が秀逸だ。考察くん
powerhcm8
原文
This is why I liked Katekyo Hitman Reborn, they kept fluff in later arcs, but I heard that the anime added more, and there is some original stuff by the author that doesn't exist in the manga. Dragon Ball also still have some slice of life episodes between later arcs. Because of this, in other shounen the character development is always related to some tragic backstory or dramatic resolution. And it also makes seem that the story is happening non-stop. While today we got some Naphula character growth just from hanging out with the girls.
確かに家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN!は後半でも日常パート残してたよね。ドラゴンボールも戦闘の合間に日常回あったし。今の少年漫画だとキャラの成長がいつも悲劇的な過去やドラマチックな解決に結びつきがちで、話がノンストップで進んでる感じがする。でも今回のナフーラはただ女の子たちと遊んでるだけで成長してて、そういう緩さがいいんだよね。普通くん
yurilnw123
Yeah, take Demon Slayer for example, while it always has some cooldown episodes between arcs, it never felt enough to flesh out a character and then it has to resort to flashback tragic backstory, every single time. I have no idea why the author decided to end it so early, when it was doing well too. The pacing in the last 2/3 of the manga couldn't feel more rush.
鬼滅の刃を例に挙げると、確かに各アーク間にクールダウン回はあるものの、キャラを掘り下げるには不十分で、毎回悲劇的な過去のフラッシュバックに頼らざるを得なかった印象だ。作者がなぜ好調だったのに早期終了を選んだのか謎。原作後半2/3のペース配分は明らかに駆け足だったと考察できる。考察くん
Shantotto11
It’s the main reason why I will die on the hill that Pokémon Sun & Moon is tied for the best saga in the 1997 series.
まじでそれ!ポケモンサンムーン編は97年シリーズと並んで最高傑作って言い張る理由それだわ!やばくね!?ギャル
CooroSnowFox
Sun and Moon did manage to settle down for a time to enjoy the place, instead of an ever going journey... you need to enjoy it rather than continuing to forge through it.
確かに、SunとMoonは旅を続けるんじゃなくて、一旦落ち着いてその場所を楽しんでたんだな。人生も同じで、ずっと突き進むより、時々は楽しむことも大事だよね。普通くん
shockzz123
原文
cuts out fluff like this in favor of accelerating its plot, but still has extremely long arcs that all have the highest possible stakes The fluff is cut out of modern shounen series, I agree, but barely any modern shounen series have "extremely long arcs". Most modern shounen series have short to mid length long arcs, with the odd really long arc here and there (usually their final arcs). I'd argue that this is what causes you to lose world and character building, because modern series are all plot plot plot and they go from arc to arc instantly, allowing for no breathing moments in between. If arcs were longer, you'd actually get more time for that before barrelling to the next plot point. Also One Piece still does the fluff stuff. It takes time at the end of arcs or in between arcs to wrap things up properly and give the characters time to party/bond/do other shit. It's one of the main things people love about OP. To the point fans get made when we don't get more of that, despite already spending a big chunk of time on it as is. It's also part of why it's so long, and it's also part of why Iruma is so long as well (it's in the mid 400s right now with no sign of even being close to the end). If Nishi learned from anyone, it was one of the Big Three era authors in Oda. Her arcs overall may not be nearly as long as Oda's but Iruma kun feels very "One Piece" in it's pacing, world building, character moments and dynamics, taking time to address stuff and length.
確かに近年の少年漫画は「間」を削ってテンポ重視になってるけど、それが逆に世界観やキャラの深みを損なってると思う。短いアークを連続させると息継ぎの余裕がなくなるんだよな。 その点、入間くんはワンピース的な間の取り方が秀逸。各アークの終わりや合間にしっかりキャラ同士の交流や日常を挟むことで、物語に厚みが出てる。西先生が尾田先生から学んだであろう「弛緩と緊張のバランス」が、まさにこの作品の長寿と魅力の源泉だと言える。考察くん
justking1414
原文
Most modern shounen series have short to mid length long arcs, with the odd really long arc here and there (usually their final arcs). Well said. I was just arguing with someone who said that the issue is that shonen series now immediately jump into their long arcs whereas series like bleach didn’t get to the soul society rescue until ch70. But both Shinobi undercover and nue s exorcist did pretty much the same thing. Their first big arc happened about 50 chapters in and was a rescue. The difference is that their rescue was 20-30 chapters whereas in bleach, it was 85, which of course gave less room for growth and character development
最近の少年漫画は中〜長編のアークが多いけど、たまにめちゃくちゃ長いのもある(大抵最終章だけどね)。そうそう、さっき「最近の作品はすぐ長編に入るけど、『BLEACH』は尸魂界篇まで70話かかった」って言ってる人と議論してたんだよ。でも『シノビアンダーカバー』も『鵺の陰陽師』も似たようなもんだよね。最初の大アークは50話くらいで始まって救出劇だった。違いはその救出編が20〜30話で終わるのに対して、BLEACHは85話もあったこと。そりゃ成長やキャラ描写の余地が減るのも当然だわ。普通くん
CooroSnowFox
This is the one that strikes a balance between the two, there is a MASSIVE story building in the background but thats moving outside of what we need to care about... but we get slice of life in the demon world with Iruma and the Misfits and the various cast of sides we have and then there is the main points which come every so often to make everything tie up...
これがちょうどいい塩梅なんやろな 背景でめっちゃデカいストーリーが動いてるけど、それは今は気にしなくていいやつ んで、入間と問題児クラスたちの悪魔界での日常がメイン たまに本筋が来て全部が繋がる感じやな バランス良すぎて草2ちゃん
testthrowawayzz
My analogy to this is the loudness war in music. If it's loud all the time, it all eventually becomes noise and gets tiring very quickly. Having the dynamic range makes the music more enjoyable.
音楽で言うラウドネス・ウォーに似てると思う。ずっと大音量だと結局ただのノイズになってすぐ疲れちゃうんだよね。ダイナミックレンジがある方が音楽も楽しめるって話だね。普通くん
Light_Beard
When you need to kick it up a notch but are already playing your hardest you drop out everything for a moment.
わかるッ!全力でやってるのに、もっとギアを上げなきゃいけない時って一瞬全部捨てるんだよな!それくらい追い込まれるってことだよな…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
yurilnw123
One Piece is another one that I can think of. But idk if it falls into "modern Shounen" or not lol
ワンピースもそうだと思う。でもこれが「現代の少年ジャンプ系」に入るかは微妙だけどな笑普通くん
FacelessPoet
Happy everyone finally gets to see how cute Nafra is
やっとみんながナフラの可愛さを知れて嬉しすぎるッ!感情くん
Frontier246
That blushing and gremlin speak in her human form is too cute for words.
あの人間形態での照れ顔とグレムリン語が可愛すぎて言葉にならないよ普通くん
NeoAnkara
The Iruma special where every character have a chance in spotlight
入間くんの特別回、全キャラにスポットライト当たるんガチで草2ちゃん
Frontier246
Don't think we forgot about Naphula from season 3! Now see her at her most adorable! Or even the teachers!
忘れてないよ、ナフラさん!第3シーズンの彼女、最高に可愛かったもんな!今シーズンでもっと可愛くなってるし、先生たちもヤバすぎるッ!感情くん
FarCritical
Fluffiest eyecatch ever It's funny yet kinda inspiring how even the teacehrs act like a typical college fraternity in their dorms but lock all the way in when it comes to their students. Nafra's true form (which is adorable btw) really puts into perspective just how much that cloak shrinks her.
一番ふわふわなアイキャッチだね。教師たちは寮では大学生のフラタニティみたいに騒いでるのに、生徒のことになるとガチになるのが面白いしちょっと感動的。ナフラの本当の姿(めっちゃ可愛いんだけど)を見ると、あのマントがどれだけ彼女を小さく見せてるかよくわかるわ。普通くん
Frontier246
Kalego aura farming in his familiar form lol.
カレゴ先生、使い魔状態でもオーラやばすぎんだけど笑ギャル
Magnafeana
原文
You lost the game. Are these teachers or uni students? Why is Kalego giving Mamago 😭 I adore Kalego being such a high class brat. He needs to try commoner’s coffee. I want a whole slice of life fanfic of Kalego getting indulging in commoner’s food and getting addicted. I like when media shows the “daily life” and appreciation for the educators. I also hadn’t realized professors could be just like us for the longest time until shit happened 💀 Kalego picking up Iruma by the scruff is giving me greebles of Kitty Kalego piciing up Kitty Iruma by the scruff. Kalego should learn about Warrior Cats. Dafuq do you mean Naphy has a cute human form? Excited for the cosplayers who do D1 Cloaked!Naphy and D2 Human!Naphy. I wonder if queer, goth, kinky, and punk demons parallel shoelace, tattoo, and ring cultures with tail accessories. I think that’d be pretty cool to explore. I want Demon School to have a GFR—giant fucking robot. I don’t even know how that would happen. But why not? Why shouldn’t it have a GFR? I want more stories of Kalego (and Opera and Balam) in school so badly, Nishi 🥺👉🏾👈🏾
負けたな。カレゴって教師というより大学生みたいだな。なんでママゴを試食してるんだよ😭 高級志向のクソガキみたいなカレゴが大好きだ。一般人のコーヒーも試すべきだ。カレゴが庶民の味にハマって依存していくスライス・オブ・ライフの二次創作が読みたい。教育者の「日常」を描く作品は好きだし、教師も僕らと同じ人間だと気づくのに時間がかかったよ💀 カレゴがイルマを襟首掴んで持ち上げる様子は、子猫カレゴが子猫イルマを同じように運ぶ想像を呼ぶ。Warrior Catsを学ぶべきだ。ナフィにかわいい人間形態があるってどういうことだ? コスプレイヤーが1日目はローブ姿のナフィ、2日目は人間形態のナフィをやるのを想像するとワクワクする。クィアやゴス、フェチ、パンクな悪魔たちが、尻尾アクセサリーで靴紐やタトゥー、指輪文化を模倣してるのか気になる。探求したら面白いテーマだ。悪魔学校にGFR(巨大ロボ)が欲しい。どう実現するかはわからないけど、なぜダメなんだ? カレゴ(とオペラやバラム)の学校生活をもっと見たいよ、西先生🥺👉🏾👈🏾考察くん
Frontier246
You'll never look at Orias-sensei the same way after seeing his "off" mode, though he's still just as dedicated a teacher as everybody else.
確かにオリアス先生のオフモード見ると印象変わるよね。でも他の先生たちと同じくらい教育熱心なのは変わらないんだな。普通くん
Magnafeana
His off mode has low energy cosplay written all over it!! (Compliment). Kalego’s off mode being turtlenecks and darkness makes me want Nishi to draw him being traumatized on a shopping trip with Balam and Opera where he gets to be in pastels and a corset 🤭 Love Orias, though, he is a ✨diva✨🪭. Cuntpliments to him.
オフモードのカルエゴのコスプレ、低エネルギーながらもキャラを完璧に捉えてるな!(褒めてる)。彼のオフモードがタートルネックと闇属性ってのは、西先生にバラムやオペラと一緒に買い物に行ってトラウマを負う姿を描いてほしい…しかもパステルカラーにコルセットで(笑)。とはいえ、オリエスは流石のディーバ✨🪭。彼に最大級の賛辞を送りたい。考察くん
SOdAchick
I never knew Eggy-sensei had so much in common with Saiko Metori. At least Saiko tried the cup ramen
エギー先生と最子・メトリがこんなに共通点あるとは知らんかったわ。せめて最子はカップラーメン食べてみたやんwww2ちゃん
lartkma
I want a whole slice of life fanfic of Kalego getting indulging in commoner’s food and getting addicted. I My mind went to that Spongebob episode where Squidward tries a krabby patty, lol
カレゴが庶民の味にハマってどハマりする日常系ファンファが読みたい!!脳内でスポンジ・ボブのイカルドがカニバーガー食べる回が再生されたわ笑 エモすぎるこの発想!!感情くん
Magnafeana
🤣😂🤣 The crossover I did not expect!! Still cannot believe Spongebob is still going on. I don’t know what dafuq is happening in that series anymore, but its references will live on.
😂🤣 こんなクロスオーバー来ると思わなかったわ!スポンジ・ボブがまだ続いてるの信じられないよ。あのシリーズで何が起きてるかもうよくわかんないけど、ネタだけは永遠に生き続けるんだな。普通くん
Shimmering-Sky
原文
And it’s just a basic gamer room. This is decidedly not pizza. Hahaha So some of them just sleep in the rafters? Ooh…? How bad was his room if those two look like this after looking through it? Orias looks so different… Nice contrast. It does not surprise me that Kalego doesn’t know what cup ramen is. LMAOOOOO Kalego carrying Iruma around like a cat, hahaha Wait, omg this is Naphula?! Ah… Clara would do this, hah. The moons are still Irumeri coded! Lead “sore demo”! Ooh, Ameri’s wings are very red. No Clara wing reveal though? So cute. Incredible.
カレーゴがカップラーメン知らんの草www 猫みたいに入間を抱えてるの笑うわwww ナフラってあいつかよ!クララならやりかねんやんw 月はやっぱ入メリやな! アメリの翼めっちゃ赤いやん…クララの翼は無しか。でも可愛いわ。ガチで草生える。2ちゃん
Galle_
原文
Disclaimer: I've read the manga. Suzuki Iruma, age fifteen! Still so happy our son got a proper birthday party last episode. He deserves everything. The teachers might not quite live up to the image the narrator has of them. Random bird-faced demon is my favorite teacher. ..."Eight"? Seriously? Is that what we're calling him? Really? He's certainly very excited for pizza, though. That is not a pizza. Well, I guess this as good an excuse as any for an episode about the teachers. I'm sure everything will be up to Kalego's standards. Mysterious silhouette of the dorm supervisor. lol the building is too big to be practical Kalego you'd do that even without an excuse. Oh, hey, it's Marbas-sensei! He teaches torture! What a swell guy! Oh, and that's an interesting point. There's going to be new students arriving at the school next year. Mysterious hooded figure? It's Orias-sensei! He's, uh, he's a lot more like Lied than he lets on. Robin can cook! He is also very blasé about being attacked by Cerberus. I guess it's not even a surprise anymore. It's too late, Kalego, you've been drafted. Uh, guys? I'm not sure we should be letting Iruma help. Note that Kalego is not a regular resident of the dorms and has never even heard of cup noodles. I think this is our first proper confirmation that the Naberiuses are a rich, aristocratic family. The teachers are very passionate about their jobs, it's very wholesome. And now for something completely different. The students also have dorms! Ugly-cute girl. A student council member? Surprise! It's Naphula! She was a girl in a size-changing cloak all along! Naphula is terrified of the extroverts. It's time for some worldbuilding! Specifically about demonic fashion, which of course Elizabetta is very passionate about. Horn decorations are a cute idea. "Carvings" sounds a bit brutal until you remember that there are humans who perforate their ears for cosmetic purposes. Clara's not going to catch that tail. Excellent work, Elizabetta, great presentation. Oh no don't put her on the spot Ameri you just wore a literal ballgown two episodes ago, why are you being so shy about this? lol Lied Ooh, wing accessories! And we get to see Ameri's wings! They're big and red! Oh, speaking of wings... Elizabetta is kind of a ditz, but she's very emotionally intelligent. She immediately picked up that this was something Clara was uncomfortable about and changed the subject. But why was Clara so uncomfortable? [fan theory] Maybe because they're not demon wings at all I am not crazy Magical cosmetics! Black-haired Elizabetta! Blonde Ameri! Blue-haired Naohula! Pink-haired Clara! That was going to be her color scheme originally, too. Kerori missed out. Naphula going out without her cloak! The flower looks nice. Oh no. Someone perceived her. Back to the cloak it is. Sukima! I think Dali-sensei might not be entirely honest. Demon of the Week: Orias Orias (also Oriax) is a Great Marquis of Hell, having 30 legions of demons under his command. He knows and teaches the virtues of the stars and the mansions of the planets (the influence of each planet depending on the astrological sign in which it is in a specific moment and the influence of that sign on an individual depending on how the zodiac was configured at the moment of their birth or at the moment of asking a question to the astrologist); he also gives dignities, prelacies, and the favour of friends and foes, and can metamorphose a man into any shape. Orias is depicted as a lion riding upon a strong horse, with a serpent's tail, and carrying two hissing vipers in his right hand. A pretty straightforward connection here, Orias-sensei teaches astrology.
原作既読です。鈴木入間、15歳!先週、彼がちゃんと誕生日パーティーできて本当に嬉しかった。彼には全ての幸せがあってほしい。教師陣はナレーターのイメージ通りではないかもしれないけど、鳥顔の悪魔の先生が一番好きだ。"エイト"って……マジで?俺たちは彼をそう呼んでるの?ピザに興奮してる姿は面白いけど、あれはピザじゃない。まあ、教師回の口実としては十分だな。全てカルエゴの基準を満たすことを願う。寮監の謎のシルエット。あの建物は実用的じゃなさすぎるだろ。カルエゴなら理由がなくてもやるよね。あ、マルバス先生だ!拷問を教えてる!いい人そう!来年、新入生が来るっていうのは興味深いポイントだ。フードの謎の人物?オリエンス先生だ!彼はリードよりずっとクールぶってる。ロビンは料理できるんだ!ケルベロスに襲われても平然としてる。もう驚きもないか。遅すぎたな、カルエゴ、お前はもう戦力だ。ちょっと待て、入間に手伝わせるのは危険じゃないか?カルエゴは寮に住んでなくてカップ麺も知らない。ナベリウス家が裕福な貴族家系だって初めて確信できた。教師陣は仕事に熱心でほっこりする。そして全く違う話に。生徒たちにも寮がある!ブサイクかわいい女の子。生徒会メンバー?サプライ考察くん
Karthull
Damn I thought the carving thing was absurd until you mentioned human ears, your right some people will horribly disfigure themselves because they wrongly thing it somehow looks better
彫刻の話は馬鹿げてると思ったけど、人間の耳って言われて納得したわ。確かに、間違ってそれが良く見えると思って自分をひどく傷つける人もいるもんな。普通くん
Mediocre-Act483
Funny enough, I went to the Baltimore science center when I was visiting my dad three months ago. They had star shows, and I got a shirt with dino constellations. Later found out it's glow in the dark.
草、ワイ3ヶ月前にボルチモア科学センター行ったったわ。スターショーあって恐竜の星座Tシャツ買ったンゴ。後で光るやつって気づいて草www2ちゃん
djthomp
Kalego is apparently such a snooty upper class demon he doesn't even know what cup noodles are. Naphula is very cute! Ameri looks pretty good as a blonde, good idea Clara. And wow were her wings big, offhand I'm not sure we've ever seen them before. And we still haven't seen Clara's if I'm remembering correctly.
カレゴは高級な悪魔すぎてカップ麺すら知らないのかよ笑 ナフーラ可愛いな!アメリーの金髪も結構似合ってて、クララいいアイデア出したね。それにしても彼女の翼めっちゃデカかったな、今まで見たことなかった気がする。そういえばクララのはまだ出てきてないよね?普通くん
Frontier246
I love how Cerberus is sentient enough to be able to enjoy cup noodles even if Kalego can't lol.
カーネルがカップ麺を楽しめるって、カレッジができないのにお利口すぎるww このギャップ優勝!感情くん
namewithak
Kalego and Azz probably have a lot in common as far as family background is concerned. Azz should thank Clara for broadening his horizons with all the commoner stuff she exposes him to. Iruma doesn’t count because Gramps is also rich af.
カルエゴとアズは、家系背景においてかなり共通点が多いと思われる。クララが平民的な感覚を色々と教えてくれたおかげで、アズの視野が広がったのは間違いない。入間は祖父も大富豪だから、参考にならないという考察ができる。考察くん
Karthull
Are we sure Clara’s family isn’t also loaded and just lives cheaply?
クララの家も実は金持ちで、質素に暮らしてるだけって可能性ない?普通くん
namewithak
They don’t seem to sell their magic made stuff. I don’t know, maybe they’re very rich too. But they certainly live more like commoners than Kalego, Azz, Iruma, or Sabnock.
確かに!魔法で作ったものは売ってなさそうだよね。もしかしたら超富豪なのかもだけど、カルエゴやアズ、入間、サブノックよりずっと庶民的な暮らししてるのエモすぎるッ!感情くん
Karthull
Is sabnock rich? We haven’t seen his home he just seems very well educated in all aspects. I’m just guessing Clara despite living cheaply comes from a rich family because her family name is a “real” demon like azz, sully, ameri, balam and all/most of the 13 crowns
サブノックって金持ちなのかな?家はまだ出てきてないけど、全方位にめっちゃ教育行き届いてる感じだよね。クララは質素に暮らしてるけど、苗字がアズ、サリバン、アメリ、バラムとか十三冠の連中みたいな「本物の」悪魔系だから、実は金持ち家族なんじゃないかって勝手に推測してる普通くん
Adiuva
I think we got Sabnock background in the first few episodes. I wanna say it was during the flying test when they were fighting the creature of the valley or whatever. I don't recall just how much of his background we got there though.
確かにサブノックの背景は序盤の数話で描かれてたな。具体的には飛行試験で谷の魔獣と戦ってたあたりだったと思う。ただ、そこでどれだけ深く掘り下げられたかは記憶が曖昧だ。もう一度確認する価値はありそう。考察くん
Aenah
I feel like Robin has to be at least distantly related to Clara. He would fit right in at the Valac household.
ロビンって少なくともクララと遠い親戚なんじゃないかな。ヴァラク家にぴったりハマると思うんだよね。普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Naph first girls group
ナフの女の子グループ初めて見たンゴwww 可愛すぎて草2ちゃん