黄泉のツガイ

AutoLovepon
逃亡者と追跡者
ついにイワンと対峙するユル。左右様の攻撃、デラの援護、入り乱れる攻防の最中、イワンの「ミネとナギサを斬ったのは俺だ」という言葉に心を乱すユルだが――
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gnome-cop
原文
Okay, Ivan’s daemons abilities make sense now. One sword cuts and transfers matter while the other cuts and transfers energy. I guess Shingo’s dead. Good riddance. Sucks that the “gather information” plan failed but at least Asuma made it out alive. Ivan’s a particularly tricky bastard. At least they know more of his abilities to pin him down properly in order to beat him next time. Imma be honest, closest comparison I can make to the disgust I feel at dungbeetle girl’s work is Mahito. And she’s also a yandere. God, what a psycho. Asuma and the “Is going to stab you” face does good work. That kid was not ready for more surprises. It’s been way too long but the twins have a lot of stuff to talk about with Zashiki-Warashi.
我が理解が今こそ開眼した──イワンの使い魔の力よ。一刀は物質を斬り移し、一刀はエネルギーを斬り移す。ならば慎吾の運命は既に定まっていたか。だが、奴の消滅はむしろ清々しい。情報収集の策は潰えたが、アスマが生還したのが唯一の救いだ。 イワンめ、実に狡猾な厄介者よ。されど奴の能力の全容を掴んだ以上、次なる戦いで必ずや封殺して見せよう。 しかし……フンコロガシの乙女の業には吐き気がする。あれは呪術廻戦の真人に最も近い邪悪さだ。加えてヤンデレとは──まったく、何たる狂人ぞ。 アスマの「刺すぞ」の表情は実に良い仕事をしている。あの少年は更なる驚愕に耐えられる器ではないようだ。 時は長く流れたが、双子と座敷童子には語るべき多くの物語が残されているのだ。中二病
Jacob-C
Imma be honest, closest comparison I can make to the disgust I feel at dungbeetle girl’s work is Mahito. And she’s also a yandere. God, what a psycho. I was thinking Sakimiya, Misaki from Dead Mount Death Play
正直言うと、フンコロガシ娘のやってることに感じる嫌悪感で一番近いのはマヒトだな。しかも彼女はヤンデレでもあるし。マジでサイコだわ。最初はサキミヤか、デッドマウント・デスプレイのミサキを思い浮かべてたんだけどね。普通くん
Meiolore
That show is so good, such an underrated gem.
この作品マジでいいよなw超絶過小評価されてる名作だわ笑wwwおじ
WINSTON913
Same author as durarara, of course its solid
デュラララ!!の作者だし、そりゃ安定してるに決まってるッ!さすがすぎる!感情くん
DanielAlves1904
Does she have that ability? Or are you just comparing them phisically/style?
彼女にその能力があるの?それとも単に見た目やスタイルで比べてるだけ?普通くん
Jacob-C
Both appearance and that they are murderous schoolgirls with psycho personalities
外見も、殺人衝動を持つサイコな性格の女子高生ってところも完璧すぎるッ!最高だわ!感情くん
mekerpan
But I sort of recall sort of LIKING Misaki. Not true for the girl here.
ミサキはワイも結構好きやった記憶あるわ。今回の娘はあかんな、正直。2ちゃん
Jacob-C
Agreed. They just resemble eachother
うむ、確かに似ておるな。某も同意見でござる。武士
DanielAlves1904
I guess it depends on how they use their power. Misaki used her power for better things. At least I think, I watched that show when it came out and it was a while ago.
力の使い方次第だと思うな。ミサキはもっと良いことに力を使ってたし。少なくとも俺はそう思うけど、あのアニメ放送当時に見たきりで結構前だからな。普通くん
TheKytanApprentice
There's a scene where [Dead Mount Death Play episode 3] "Polka" rolls a group of hitmen up into a ball of stone, dirt, and human. So not Misaki's powers, but she is present at the scene of a human ball, which I imagine helped trigger the association.
デッドマウント・デスプレイ3話でポルカが殺し屋どもを石と土と人間で丸めて球にしとったやん。ミサキの能力ちゃうけど、彼女がその人間ボールの現場におったから連想が働いたんやろな。ワイはそう思うンゴ。2ちゃん
DanielAlves1904
I don´t remember that.
我が記憶の彼方には、そのような事象は存在せぬな。中二病
LordVaderVader
I know it's fiction but I really doubt the abilities of this Police, no dna test or anything to confirm there were no bodies.
ワイとしてはフィクションやから許せるけど、この警察の能力ガチで疑うわ。DNA鑑定もせんし、死体が無いことの確認すらしてないやんwww2ちゃん
ShinJiwon
They can still get info from Akio who is inside some ballsack now.
某、アキオ殿が今や何処かの玉袋の中におわすとも、情報を得る手立てはまだ残っておるでござろう。武士
No-Register-7539
And she’s also a yandere. God, what a psycho. Himiko Toga personality, with Shizuku powers, I love her
しかもヤンデレなんだよな。マジでサイコだわ。トガヒミコの性格にシズクの能力って、最高に好きだわ。普通くん
Niwaka_Samurai
And she’s also a yandere. God, what a psycho She's also voiced by Uesaka Sumire 🔥
しかもヤンデレやん。マジでサイコやでwww 声優が上坂すみれなのもエグいてぇわ🔥2ちゃん
Maomally
Finally they did a Nishino village name drop. I had a suspicion there was something out west considering Higashi means East and there was multiple references of the west starting in cour 1
ついに西野村の名前が出たね。東が「ひがし」で東を意味するし、第1クールから西への言及が何度かあったから、西の方に何かあるんじゃないかって思ってたんだよ。普通くん
zer0_summed
Inb4 Nishino village has their own guardian demons called "Up" and "Down"
まあ西野村にも「上」と「下」って守護悪魔がいるんだろうな。ドライおじ
No-Register-7539
Or maybe Forwards and Backwards, or Past and Future
フォワーズとバックワーズ、あるいは過去と未来ってことかもね。普通くん
BosuW
Yeah they're from North and South Villages respectively
え〜、つまり北の村と南の村出身ってことじゃん!めっちゃ対照的でおもろくない?笑ギャル
Maomally
Could be possible and considering that this show is kinda heavy on Japanese yokai and folklore, if Okinawa and Hokkaido are brought into the mix..we could be hearing about Kamuy for Hokkaido and Majimun for Okinawa
沖縄と北海道が入ってくるなら、北海道はカムイ、沖縄はマジムンとか出てきそうやな。この作品、日本の妖怪や folklore ガチで重めやし、可能性は十分あるンゴwww2ちゃん
SoundRiot
It was established that their mother was from Okinawa and she vanished while on her way home. So Okinawa is a fairly safe guess.
沖縄出身の母が帰宅途中に消えたって設定は確立されてたからな。沖縄はかなり安全な推測だろッ!感情くん
WINSTON913
Top and bottom lol
トップとボトム(笑)普通くん
Namaryu
Wasn't the gate that invaders came through during Kagemori raid the WEST one?
カゲモリ襲撃時、侵略者が通ってきたゲートって西側やなかったっけ?2ちゃん
Maomally
Yes. And in ep 13..when the TV was turned on there was a reference to the west as well.
それな!そして第13話でテレビがついた時の西側への言及もやばすぎるッ!感情くん
ShinJiwon
That too. We know Ivan's ability does not make gates. So someone else let those invaders in. The most likely is the mangaka but I feel it's a red herring.
それもそうだね。イワンの能力はゲートを作らないって分かってるから、誰か他の人が侵入者を入れたってことになる。一番怪しいのは作者だけど、それはフェイントだと思うんだよね。普通くん
profdeadpool
I mean he made a "gate" in the Shaman's stomach, I'm pretty sure he just teleported the stone wall away and put it back to let the invaders in.
つまりシャーマンの腹に「ゲート」作ったんだろw 石壁をテレポートでどかして侵入者を通すために戻したってわけか笑 まじ器用だなwwwwwwおじ
Mr_Yod
Wasn't Asa that erased the village barrier?
村の結界を消したのってアサじゃなかったっけ?マジでそれ優勝すぎるだろッ!感情くん
profdeadpool
They're talking about the raid on the Kagemori compound, not the attack on the village.
彼らが話してるのは影森の屋敷への強襲のことで、村への攻撃のことじゃないよ。普通くん
gamria
The "gate" in question turns out to merely be a blank in the wall upon further questioning, which Ivan's powers are plenty for making one.
その「門」ってやつ、実は壁の空白部分だっただけなんだよ。イワンの力なら余裕で作れるってわけ。感情くん
Niwaka_Samurai
I thought Akio let them in in but I don't know how
秋尾が入れてくれたのかと思ったけど、どういう仕組みかは分からないな。普通くん
Zeph-Shoir
Now I am expecting North and South villages!
南北村にワクテカしてるンゴwww2ちゃん
gamria
原文
For those who suspect so, seeing as 東村 / Higashimura means "East Village", 西ノ村 / Nishinomura is quite suggestive as "West Village". (Technically the ノ / " no" makes it "Village of the West", but it's there because Nishi-mura as a location name doesn't roll off the tongue. Too much use in modern household names for it to be special too) -- While I'm talkative on language, seeing as my previous post on Daemon namesakes proved a hit, here're some other ones I had written: Right and Left Right and Left, or 右 / migi and 左 / hidari need no explanation. Their collective title 左右様 / Sayuu-sama however very much does. The Kanji may look like it's just saying "the Great Left-Right", but 左右 / sayuu as a whole word is also often used in a lot of geometry or direction-related terms. Plus, it's sometimes used as a noun for "one's attendants" too. But most notably is that as a verb, 左右する / sayuu-suru means to "assert control, influence or domination", by man or by nature, by your or another's will. (Case in point, Yuru's line in Episode 8 about "Why do others get to dictate how we live"? "Get to dictate" here is 左右される / sayuu-sareru ) A pair of Daemons whose title can mean myriad things including "asserting control over your sides/flanks", fitting for beings meant to counterbalance Break and Seal and their myriad usages huh? Nonetheless, Sayuu-sama is understandably not an easy title to bring into English in a cool manner; just look at how Crunchyroll twisted themselves with "Left and Right" as the title while still keeping "Right" / "Left" for the individual names. Square Enix Books on the other hand decided to skip the equation altogether with "the Divine Guardians", and honestly I think that works in context of their purpose. Additionally, as others have pointed out they're also modelled after Komainu , between their twin statue relics, their lion and dog traits as humanoids, and Right's smiles/Left's frowns reflecting their A-Un / 阿吽 synchronous nature. Kotetsu and Jirou Hana's Daemons, Kotetsu / 虎鉄 the cat and Jirou / 二狼 the dog. While phonetically-speaking these are not uncommon cutesy and gruffy Japanese names for pets, ours however roughly translate to "tiger iron" and "second wolf" respectively. Their title 前虎後狼 / zenko-kourou translates to "tiger ahead, wolf behind". An expression of Chinese origins for when one calamity follows close after another, equitable to "out of the frying pan and into the fire" or "caught between a rock and a hard place". Or given the pair's tracking abilities, it may as well mean "there is no escape". White and Black Hikaru's Daemons deserve a mention: For the white, ホワイト is Katakana for the English "white", and also slang for stationery like correction fluids, white-outs, twinks, 修正液 ( shuusei-eki ) or whatever you know them by. For the black, ベタ / beta is in reference to the action of painting art, manga, etc. using a single colour. ベタ印刷 / beta-insatsu is also a term for "solid printing". Both of these are common tools of trade for manga artists, so better names for them would be "White-Out" and "Black-Ink" Seeing as their title is indeed just 黒白 / koku-byaku / "Black-White" though, oversimplification is all too easy Ai-chan and Makoto-kun I may as well spotlight Jin's Daemons while I'm at it. Ai-chan / 愛ちゃん and Makoto-kun / 誠くん mean "Love" and "Sincerity" respectively. I would say they group rather well to a man whose pure Katakana name of ジン is a homophone for 仁 meaning "Compassion", yet ironic given their Yakuza-based backdrop. Yin-Yang The new names of Asa's new Daemons, Ohagi and Daifuku are both Japanese confections. Specifically, Ohagi usually comprise of whiter rice on the inside and coated with darker red bean paste on the outside, while basic Daifuku comprise of darker read bean paste on the inside with rice cake on the outside. Blacklist The pair of Whisper and Embrace need no further explanation. While they're commonly known by the borrowed English title of "Blacklist", this title comes with the Kanji name of 閻魔帳 / Enma-chou , AKA Enma's Register. In Japanese myth, Enma the King of Hell has a Register that's effectively a Book of Life used to judge the passing dead and their deeds. (閻魔帳 is apparently also a nickname for notebooks that teachers use to record their students' grades and attendance, but not sure if this usage is still current or in-style) Akai-san and Midori-san (or Miss Red and Mister Green) The pair of fox and tanuki belonging to part-timer Makoto Tachikawa. Their title, 狐狸変化 / Kori-henge roughly translates to "Fox-Tanuki Shapeshift", an expression for monsters of that kind or for bad people who do bad deeds in secret, especially by deceiving others. Now some may notice that the fox is not red and the tanuki is not green (but their tail ribbons are), so what's with their names? That's because "Akai Kitsune" and "Midori no Tanuki" are in fact cultural references to a pair of famous instant noodles . Debates are held about which is better, and plenty of collabs exist to this day. Daikyou and Shoukyou The perv mercenary Ivan's long sword Daikyou / 大凶 and short sword Shoukyou / 小凶 . They respectively mean "Big Misfortune" and "Small Misfortune", like those on Omikuji /fortune slips from Shinto shrines Their title is just written in Katakana, マガツヒ / "Magatsuhi". While Magatsuhi no Kami / 禍津日神 is a Japanese deity of calamities, "Magatsuhi" on its own is also used in general to refer to folk spirits that bring disaster (and that villagers have to ward off). One can interpret their spatial/transfer powers as playing to their namesakes and "bestowing" curses/misfortunes unto a desired target. Oshira-sama In Japanese folklore, Oshira-sama is a guardian deity of the home, as well as the deity of silkworms, agriculture and horses. Often worshipped for treating women's sickness, protecting children, success in farming, etc. Some say they have the power to predict fires and earthquakes too. According to myth in the Tohoku Region, Oshira-sama was born from a stallion and a maiden falling in love. Angered by the affair, the maiden's father killed the stallion and stripped it of its skin. "The skin then wrapped itself around the daughter and took her up to heaven. Later, they descended from heaven, incarnated as silkworms. After this they became the guardian gods of families. (Given Arakawa-sensei's farm life upbringing, it's more reason to give her some spotlight) Her myth is included as part of the Tono Monogatari / 遠野物語, AKA "The Legends of Tono", a 1912 compilation written by folklorist Kunio Yanagita . This book was reportedly cited by Arakawa-sensei as the motif behind this series, and its influence can be seen in other featured entities like the Zashiki-warashi, the Mountain Gods, etc. In fact, it's widely regarded as the harbinger of the study of Japanese Folklore (and precursor to modern day ghost stories, urban legends, etc.)
東村が「East Village」を意味するなら、西ノ村は「West Village」で示唆的だな。ノが入ることで「西の村」という意味合いになるが、地名としての語呂の問題もあるんだろう。左右様の考察が特に興味深い。左右という漢字は単に「Left-Right」ではなく、幾何学用語や「側近」の意味も持ち、動詞としては「支配・影響を及ぼす」という意味になる。第8話のユルのセリフ「他人に生き方を左右される」に繋がるのは見事な伏線だ。BreakとSealのカウンターとして機能する存在に「左右する」という名を冠するとは、制作陣の意図が読めるな。Crunchyrollの「Left and Right」訳は苦しいが、Square Enix Booksの「Divine Guardians」は役割を踏まえて適切だと思う。狛犬モチーフもA-Unの性質を反映していて見事。考察くん
paulrenzo
I am learning Japanese, so I cant believe I did not realize the connection between higashi and nishino (though this is mainly because I keep forgetting NSEW in japanese)
マジで今気づいたんだけど、俺日本語勉強してるのにヒガシとニシノの関連に気づかなかったのヤバくない!? つーか東西南北の日本語をいつも忘れる俺が悪いんだけどさ…ッ!感情くん
gamria
It happens, takes some acclimating to work with new languages seamlessly.
新しい言語に完全に対応するには時間がかかるよね。普通くん
Frostbitten_Moose
Whereas this show actually screwed with my ability to learn them for a while. Higashi is closer to the ocean, so obviously it's the western ocean, because as a dude in North America, that's the direction you go to hit the Pacific.
この作品は、しばらくの間、俺の学習能力を狂わせてくれたな。東は海に近いから、当然西の海だろ?だって北米に住んでる奴から見たら、太平洋に出るには西に行くのが普通だしな。考察くん
SoundRiot
Ai-chan / 愛ちゃん and Makoto-kun / 誠くん mean "Love" and "Sincerity" respectively. Worth pointing out the bar Jin operates is literally called Love & Sincerity. Either the bar is named after his Demon Pair or vice versa.
愛ちゃんと誠くん、それぞれ「愛」と「誠」って意味やんな。ジンが経営してるバーが文字通り「Love & Sincerity」って名前なの指摘しとくわ。バーが悪魔のペアにちなんで名付けられたか、その逆かやな。2ちゃん
mekerpan
Thank you so much for this compendium....
このまとめまじで神じゃん!ありがと〜!ギャル
gamria
Glad to be of service!
役に立てて嬉しすぎるッ!最高だよ!感情くん
Boris-_-Badenov
Pervman escaped
Pervmanが逃げたのか。普通くん
DragonPup
But the real pervman has been revealed.
せやけど真の変態野郎がバレてもうたンゴwww2ちゃん
mekerpan
Have we SEEN the real pervman (or even hear his name) -- or do we just know it must be someone (or some group) from "Nishino Village". (If we did, I must have blanked out at just the wrong moment).
まだ本当のパーマン本人(名前も含めて)を見たことある?それとも「西野村」の誰か(またはグループ)だってことだけ知ってる感じ?もし見てたら、ちょうど悪いタイミングで見落としてたみたいだな。普通くん
DragonPup
The real pervman was the girl Ivan met with. 😄 (unless there is an even greater pervman to come. I don't read the manga)
イワンが会ったあの娘こそ真の変態王やったんやな😄(もっと上の変態王が来るんかもしらんけどな。ワイは原作読んでへんからわからん)2ちゃん
BosuW
There's always a bigger fish pervman
やばくね!?パーマンって実はもっとヤバい奴がいるってことじゃん笑 まじで予想外だわ!ギャル
Frostbitten_Moose
That sounds like something a Cheddar Knight would say.
チェダー・ナイトが言いそうなことだな。普通くん
Boris-_-Badenov
the real pervman was the demons we met along the way
ワイらが出会った悪魔こそが真の変態やったんやな…2ちゃん
mekerpan
The seifuku-wearing clean-up girl? Nah. She is just a colleague of sorts. Or are you thinking of someone else?
セーラー服の清掃員の子?いや、あれはただの同僚みたいなもんだよ。それとも別の誰かのことを言ってる?普通くん
okiknow2004
I think it's a joke about how the girl was so thristy for Ivan
これ完全にイワンのことガン見してた女の子がまじで飢えてたってネタじゃん笑ギャル
randomisawesome
Serial groper stalker man
連続痴漢のストーカー男だな。普通くん
travis-
They've made his character way too OP in this. It's a bit annoying to watch his scenes at this point.
このアニメでこいつガチで無双しすぎやろ。もう流石にワイの視聴がキツくなってきたンゴwww2ちゃん
zool714
Really loved how Right cozied up to Left for a bit there. Really shows, like with most if not all Daemons, they really are partners Ivan is increasingly becoming one of those characters that I love to hate. And I’ve also learnt how much I’d hate if Yozakura actually died there
右が左に寄り添ってたところ、すごく良かったな。大抵のデーモンと同じで、本当にパートナー同士なんだって分かるよ。イワンはどんどん「好きだけど嫌い」って感じのキャラになってきてる。あと、黄泉がそこで本当に死んでたら、どれだけ嫌だったかもよく分かったわ。普通くん
Jacob-C
Ivan is a character that I hate to love. He’s just too cool. The Kagemori clan having both Break and Gonzo’s daemons in their faction is just too OP. They only lack full control over the twin-countering Left and Right to make them truly unstoppable. Ivan brings a semblance of balance to the power discrepancy, which makes the stakes higher and, in turn, the story more compelling.
イワンは好きになっちゃうのが悔しいキャラやわ。クールすぎるやろ。影森家がブレイクとゴンゾのデーモン両方抱えてる時点でガチでチートやん。左右の双子カウンターを完全に掌握できれば無敵やろな。イワンがその戦力差に一応の均衡もたらしてくれてるから、緊張感上がってストーリーも面白くなってるンゴwww2ちゃん
mekerpan
To tell the truth, I fgind it easy to pretty much just HATE Ivan.
まじでありえなくない?イワンは普通に嫌いでいいと思うんだけど笑ギャル
sexta_
Yeah, me too... dude just does nothing for me
それな…このキャラ、俺には本当に何も響かないんだよな…感情くん
Namaryu
Ofc Higashimura would have implied the existence of Nishinomura.
東村が西野村の存在を示唆するなんて、さすがだね。普通くん
PerfectBeige
Will later seasons reveal a Kitamura and Minamimura? Who can say? Aside from the source readers, I mean.
キタムラとミナミムラが今後出てくるか?知らんがな。原作勢以外には誰にもわからんやろwww2ちゃん
Namaryu
1 season for 1 new village and the story is a 4 act play.
1シーズンで新しい村1つ分で、物語は4幕構成になってるね。普通くん
gexsiun
Maybe in okinawa and hokkaido? We have the west and east on the mainland so why not the north and south islands?
沖縄と北海道だろ!本州に西と東があるなら、南北の島があってもいいじゃん!それな!感情くん
Thomas_JCG
Well, the twins mother is from Okinawa, and her grandma is still living there and being controlled by someone, so it is possible.
沖縄出身の母親で、祖母がまだ沖縄に住んでて誰かに操られてるっちゅう設定やから、ありえなくもないンゴね。2ちゃん
Maomally
Most likely Okinawa since Grandma is there. If Okinawa and Hokkaido is in the mix and considering this show is kinda heavy on Japanese yokai and mythology, Kamuy for Hokkaido and Majimun for Okinawa might be brought up in the future.
おばあちゃんがいるから沖縄の可能性が高いね。もし沖縄と北海道が絡んでくるなら、この作品は日本の妖怪や神話が結構テーマだから、北海道のカムイとか沖縄のマジムンが今後出てくるかもな。普通くん
okiknow2004
Due to the shape of Japan, east is already north-east, and west is south-west. Also, in other media(both in fiction and history), Japan is usually divided into East and West. I doubt that there will be North and South villages.
日本の形のせいで、東って言うたらもう北東やし、西も南西やろ。他メディア(フィクションでも歴史でも)でも、日本はだいたい東西に分けられるしな。北と南の村が出てくるとは思えんわ。2ちゃん
Zeph-Shoir
I am certainly hoping so now!
今は本当にそうなることを願ってるよ!普通くん
ButIDigr3ss
do they mean opposite things? I do not speak japanese
え、それって逆のこと言ってんの?私日本語わかんないんだけど!ギャル
BlueDragonCultist
"Higashi" (東/ひがし) means east in Japanese, "nishi" (西/にし) means west.
東(ひがし)は東、西(にし)は西って意味やんな。まんまやんけwww2ちゃん
mekerpan
>> higashi/nishi Something I learned back in 2002 from Haibane Renmei -- which featured Hisashimori and Nishimore (east and weest woods).
ヒガシとニシって2002年の灰羽連盟で学んだわ……あれに出てきた東森と西森(東と西の森)のことだよねッ!懐かしすぎて泣ける、エモすぎる!感情くん
tripleaamin
原文
The action at the start of the episode was well done and man did everything happen fast. For Ivan we see what happens when the daemons and their user have high capability. There is no way anyone could do what Ivan was doing. Asuma was so close to getting his revenge until Ivan took it from him. What seems like Mineyama's daemon is very creepy collecting the deadbodies and storing them. Poor Azami it's endless suffering for her.
エピソード冒頭のアクションは良くできてたし、展開が本当に速かったな。イワンを見ると、悪魔と使い手の能力が高いと何が起きるか分かるね。イワンがやってたことを真似できる奴なんて誰もいないよ。アスマは復讐まであと一歩だったのに、イワンに奪われちゃった。峰山の悪魔らしきやつは死体を集めて保管してて、かなり不気味だな。可哀想なアザミ、彼女の苦しみは終わらないね。普通くん
Jacob-C
For Ivan we see what happens when the daemons and their user have high capability. Makes me want to see what Yuru, Left, and Right are capable of once they learn to fight in a more synchronized manner. They're already doing good, but I definitely think there is room for improvement.
イワンの戦い見てると、使い手とデーモンの能力が高いとどうなるかが分かるわ。ユル、レフト、ライトももっと連携して戦えるようになったらどんな強さ見せてくれるんやろな。もう十分やれてるけど、まだ伸びしろあると思うで。2ちゃん
Elrond_Halfelven
I want Yuru to get his own sniper rifle.
ユルに専用のスナイパーライフルを持たせてほしいな。普通くん
WiqidBritt
He wouldn't be happy with it unless he could make his own bullets.
自分の弾丸を自分で作れないなら、絶対満足しないタイプだろ。こだわり強すぎィ!感情くん
Adamvs_Maximvs
I'm kind of surprised he hasn't even gotten a better bow and that he's still using the simple recurve short bow
彼がまだまともな弓を手に入れてなくて、シンプルな反曲短弓を使い続けてるのがちょっと意外だな。普通くん
Frostbitten_Moose
Even if he had, so little time has passed he'd be fighting muscle memory in all of his fights. Best he fights with something where he knows the draw strengths to aim without thought.
確かに!時間経ちすぎてないから、全戦闘で筋肉の記憶と戦うことになるわな。無意識に狙える引きの強さを知ってる武器で戦うのが一番だな。感情くん
SilkenPilgrim
He doesn’t need better bow. Did you see how fast he was sending those arrows? That’s HIS weapon.
彼に新しい弓は必要ないだろ。あの矢を放つ速さ見た?あれこそが彼の武器だよ。普通くん
Primary-Paint-1716
ofc this kimblee looking ass is an overpowered cockroach you can't kill.
てかこのキンブリーっぽい奴、まじで殺せないゴキブリみたいに強くない!?やばくね!?ギャル
cashtangoteam
I came to the comments seeking the Kimblee comparisons, and I was not disappointed. Glad to see others are viewing this series is a similar way
キンブリーとの比較を求めてコメント欄に来たけど、期待通りだったよ。同じ見方をしてる人がいて嬉しいね。普通くん
Countless-Alts15
Left has the best facial reactions ever. (no bias lol) 2nd best is angry Asa Damn, Ivan is a straight up monster. That poor security guard 😢
左の顔芸ガチで神やろwww(偏見ゼロやで笑) 2番目は怒ってるアサやな つーかイワン普通に化物やんけ。あの警備員さん可哀想すぎてワイ泣いてもうた😢2ちゃん
mekerpan
>> That poor security guard 😢 I wonder what a forensic team might have found if they thoroughly tested any of those many stains left on the warehouse floor?
あの警備員さん可哀想すぎる😢 倉庫の床に残ったあんなに多くの染みを徹底的に調べたら、鑑識チームは何を見つけたんだろうな…考えただけでゾッとする感情くん
Blackpowderkun
That poor security guard 😢 Don't worry Japan's mental health institution would treat him well along with other civilians witness to Daemon related happenings.
かわいそうな警備員さん😢 大丈夫、日本の精神医療機関がダエモン関連の騒動を目撃した他の市民たちと一緒にちゃんと治療してくれるさ。普通くん
LonelyAstronaut984
Asa let Ivan get away 😭😭😭😭
あさ、イワン逃がしちゃったんだけど!!😭😭😭😭 まじありえなくない!?ギャル
BakedSalami
Not a whole lot of brain cells were firing for her at that moment lmao
あの瞬間、彼女の脳みそ全然働いてなかったよねwww普通くん
sesaman
That seems to be most moments with her tbh...
ワイの記憶やと大体そんな感じやわ…2ちゃん
BakedSalami
I think the issue is that ~95% brain utilization is being taken up by thoughts of her brother.
いやまじでそれな!?脳の95%が兄のことってやばくね?笑 どんだけブラコンなんwwwギャル
Thomas_JCG
Well, she didn't know who he was and just assumed he was one of Shingo's low level grunts. Unless she threw herself off the window, she wouldn't be able to catch him either.
彼女は彼が誰か知らなかったし、シンゴの下っ端の一人だと思ってただけだよね。窓から飛び降りない限り、彼を捕まえるのは無理だったと思うよ。普通くん
Strowy
She could have just opened the window and blasted him with Break, like she said. The actual failing was her not at least saying something to the other two she was with, as they seemed better informed than her. "Hey, there's a swordsman running away, should we let him?".
窓開けてブレイクで吹き飛ばせば良かったんやろな、本人も言うてたし。実際の失敗は一緒にいた二人に何も言わなかったことやろ、あっちの方が事情知っとったっぽいし。「剣士が逃げてるんやけど、逃がす?」って一言言えばええのに。2ちゃん
Iron_Maw
That doesn't fact she knew nothing about that to put in the effort. They are after Shingo not every low level goon. They don't have omniscient vision like we do
彼女が何も知らなかったって事実は、努力を無駄にする理由にはならないよね。狙われてるのはシンゴであって、下っ端全員じゃないんだ。俺たちみたいに全知全能の視点があるわけじゃないんだからさ。普通くん
LordVaderVader
I mean everyone from Kagemoris was so slow in that scene. You grandpa your son nearly died.
あの場面の影森の連中、全員動き遅すぎだろッ!じいちゃん、自分の息子が死にかけたんだぞ!?感情くん
icantswim2
原文
No wonder Left felt like complete ass, she just suddenly was reduced to the strength and stamina of a human who had the shit kicked out of him by two living statues for an hour. Even moving her heavy stone limbs must feel impossible. Meanwhile Ivan's body was pumped full of the pure concentrated power of a deity that's used to moving around with a metric ton of weight on her shoulders. His body would feel like it weighed a feather by comparison.
なるほど、レフトが完全にボロボロだったのも当然だな。突然、生きた石像2体に1時間ボコられた人間並みの体力と筋力に落とされたんだから。重い石の手足を動かすことすら不可能に感じるだろうし。一方イワンの体には、常に1トン級の重さを背負って動く神の純粋な力が注ぎ込まれてたんだ。彼の体は比較すると羽毛みたいに軽く感じたはずだよ。普通くん
Jacob-C
His body would feel like it weighed a feather by comparison. Ivan did say, “It’s like I chugged a bucket full of energy drinks”. Maybe Red Bull really does give you wings.
彼の体は羽毛みたいに軽く感じるやろな。イワンも「エナジードリンク一気飲みしたみたい」って言うてたし。やっぱレッドブルってマジで翼くれるンゴwww2ちゃん
icantswim2
wings, and heart attacks
翼、そして心臓発作だね。普通くん
Jacob-C
The latter is anti-energy drink propaganda /j
後者はエナジードリンク反対のプロパガンダすぎるッ!冗談だけどな!感情くん
djthomp
Sword bro is one dangerous dude. That girl who is yandere for him might be more of a menace though. This security guard is going to need a nice long vacation, and possibly a change of career. I'm glad the zashiki-warashi are still doing fine.
剣の兄ちゃんはマジでヤバい奴やな。でも彼にヤンデレなあの娘の方がもっと危険かもしれん。この警備員は長い休暇と転職が必要やろな。座敷童子たちが無事で何よりやわ。2ちゃん
mythriz
The security guard should've taken photos, but OTOH if he had taken photos he probably would've gotten rolled up into a meatball by crazy girl together with the rest of the corpses...
警備員は写真を撮るべきだったけど、もし撮ってたら狂った少女に他の死体と一緒にミートボールにされてたかもね…普通くん
diacewrb
This security guard is going to need a nice long vacation So does that other girl.
この警備員さん長期休暇必要やろwwwあともう一人の女の子もなw2ちゃん
AceSoldia
Man he's way too powerful, damn i love skilled sword users so much, why does he have to be bad guy lol
彼強すぎだろ、マジで剣術使い好きなんだよな、なんで悪役なんだよ笑普通くん
throwaway_976821
原文
A lot of people are complaining he's too powerful but honestly, it kinda rules. It legitimately felt like the the main cast fighting him were in real danger of straight up getting killed if they slipped up, especially since the show seems to have no qualms about outright killing characters. It's been nice that its felt like there have been real stakes, esp. compared to the route shows like Reincarnated As A Slime have chosen to go with this season.
「強すぎる」と批判する声も多いけど、個人的にはむしろ魅力だと思う。主人公側が彼と戦う時、一歩間違えば本当に殺されるんじゃないかという緊張感がちゃんとあった。特にこの作品はキャラを容赦なく殺す描写を躊躇しないからね。今期の『転生したらスライムだった件』のような路線と比べると、リアルな緊張感が維持されているのは評価できる。実に良い塩梅のリスク管理という考察ができる。考察くん
gamria
原文
For sure, Ivan's presence just like his Kimblee model just oozes danger. Right and Left holding him off makes him feel neutered, but as soon as you put him next to any team less defended or responsive and he's like an instant death button. Just like how in this episode when he teleported into the office. When I first got to this scene, I was afraid for Asuma's life. Can you imagine how it was for us cliffhanging on that for a whole month!?
イヴァンの存在感は、まさにキンブリーを彷彿とさせる危険な雰囲気だよね。ライトとレフトが抑え込んでるからヌートされた感じになるけど、防御が薄いチームと組んだら即死ボタンみたいなもんだよ。今回のエピソードでオフィスにテレポートしたシーンもそう。初めて見た時はアスマの命が心配だった。それを一ヶ月も待たされたこっちの身にもなってくれよ!普通くん
Viridun
He's definitely powerful but the author did the same with Fullmetal Alchemist, characters were encountered early on that were clearly out of everyone's league. Only for the protagonists to be able to hold their own and win later on.
ワイの目にはこう映るンゴ。確かに強いけど、作者はハガレンでも同じことやっとるやん。序盤で登場したキャラが明らかに格上やったのに、後半には主人公らが互角に渡り合って勝てるようになってたしな。今回もそのパターンやろな。2ちゃん
Frostbitten_Moose
It also really helped that Arakawa had clear matchups there too. Mustang being able to wipe the floor with two enemies that Ed would always have struggled with being a good example.
アラカワが明確な対戦を用意してたのも大きかったよね。エドが苦戦する相手をマスタングが一蹴できたのがいい例だと思う。普通くん
Terithian
原文
I appreciate that he's powerful as hell, but it's not like he came out of that encounter unscathed. He has a nasty hole in his leg that will take time to heal, plus he had to pull out his trump card that he said will leave him incapacitated for days, and even then he ran away rather than keep fighting. It feels pretty even at the end, honestly. I don't know what people who say he's "too powerful" are talking about, especially with the reveal that he's actually working for the real masterminds behind Shingo.
ワイ的には彼がクソ強いのは認めるけど、あの戦い無傷で済んだわけやないやん。脚にデカい穴開いて治癒に時間かかるし、切り札使って数日動けなくなるって言うてたのに、それでも逃げたやん。結局互角やと思うで。「強すぎ」言うてる奴ら何言うとるんやろな。しかもシンゴの黒幕に仕えてるって判明したし、話はもっとややこしくなるンゴwww2ちゃん
EyeDeeAh_42
His is my favourite character design of the show so far.
彼は今のところこの作品で一番好きなキャラクターデザインだね。普通くん
jaber24
Well if he works for the highest bidder or sth he might be persuaded to change sides who knows
まじで誰に雇われるか次第じゃね?高額報酬出せば寝返るかもよ〜わかんないけど笑ギャル
AlphaBreak
Asuma really should have tried pulling out a checkbook instead of thinking his little knife would be enough for the guy who took out three demons and shingo in a split second
アスマ、小さいナイフで通用すると思わずに、小切手帳を出して交渉するべきだったよな。あの男は一瞬で三体の悪魔とシンゴを倒した相手だぞ。普通くん