+1653
Gentlemad
I appreciate that much like with FMA the author has a good hand at writing protagonists that clearly have room for growth but at the same time are clearly already very competent. It means less of the story is dedicated to the usual shounen power creep and more space is left for both strategically engaging combat as well as purely combat-unrelated story development.
フッ…『鋼の錬金術師』と同じく、この作者は主人公たちの成長の余地と既存の実力を絶妙に調和させる術に長けている。これにより、凡百の少年漫画にありがちな力のインフレに物語を浪費せず、戦略的戦闘と純粋な物語展開に十分な余地を残すのだ。まさに我が目指す境地よ。中二病+468
MannyOmega
It also means we get exposition directly result from the character’s actions, which is fun to see. Quite a few mysteries but Yuru is actively trying to figure them out, rather letting stuff happen to him like most stories begin (in contrast to another, more traditional anime this season, Witch Hat Atelier)
確かに。FMA同様、主人公の成長の余地をしっかり描けるのは作者の力量だよな。この作品では、キャラの行動から直接的に伏線が明かされる展開が楽しい。多くの物語が受動的に始まるのに対し、ユルは能動的に謎を解明しようとしているのが新鮮だ。対照的なのが今期の『ウィッチハットアトリエ』で、あちらはより伝統的な受動的スタートだ。この違いが両作品の魅力を際立たせている。考察くん+163
Hartzilla2007
>in contrast to another, more traditional anime this season, Witch Hat Atelier
To be fair Coco trying to be proactive isn't really working out that well.
確かに、今期の魔女の帽子のアトリエとは対照的でござるな。しかし、ココが自ら動こうとしても、あまり上手くいっておらぬのも事実。某も同じ思いでござるよ。武士+152
MannyOmega
VERY good point, poor girl…
それな!ココちゃん頑張ってるけど可哀想すぎるじゃん…まじで胸が痛いわ〜ギャル+64
BosuW
Whole different types of power systems. You can communicate with Tsugai. But magic simply is what it is, and if you fuck up using it, you can't even beg.
せやな、完全に別物のパワーシステムやろ。黄泉のツガイはツガイと会話できるけど、魔法はそのまんまでミスったら土下座すらできへん。草2ちゃん+39
moonmeh
She's trying her best lol
確かにココは頑張ってるよねw普通くん+11
namewithak
原文
What does that even mean with WHA? The story literally begins because Coco made stuff happen, not the other way around. And she's actively doing what's needed to find solution to save her mother by working to be able to pass the trial that will get her into the library of tomes. The second she saw the witch again she went straight after them.
Coco has been nothing but proactive. Too proactive, in fact.
確かに。WHAに関しては逆だよね。物語はココが能動的に動いたから始まったわけで、その逆じゃない。彼女は母親を救うため、図書館に入る試練を突破すべく積極的に行動してるし、魔女を見かけた瞬間すぐ追いかけてる。ココは終始主体的に動いてきた。むしろ動きすぎなくらいだ。考察くん+26
MannyOmega
原文
Yeah ummm the more i think about it, the more i realize you’re right, WHA has a good balance between Coco being mentored by other characters and Coco learning about magic through her own experience. It does feel like everything she learns is earned. The worlds are just way different and magic in WHA seems more complex than daemons power system so far, it’s not surprising that Yuru is more competent atm
確かに言われてみるとその通りだな。WHAはココが他人に教えられつつも、自分で魔法を経験して学んでいくバランスが良いよね。彼女が得るものには全部納得感がある。世界観が全然違うし、WHAの魔法はデーモンの能力システムより複雑そうだから、現時点でユルが有能なのも納得だわ。普通くん+8
myrlin77
You are spot on. I also like how despite how everything is a complete unknown, Yuru is still trying to get a handle on the basics without being all "wtf" or "omg" or just plain dumb. I like how they differentiated between the old school daemons from the mountain and the ones that are used to the present world.
The environment feels very "lived in" without needing to force feed you how it works.
せやな、その通りやわ。ユルが何もかも未知なのに「なんやこれ」「マジかよ」ってパニクらずに基本を掴もうとしてるの、ちゃんとキャラ立っててええな。昔の山の妖魔と現代に慣れた奴らの違いの描き分けも良かったわ。
あと世界観の説明を押し付けないで、自然に「ここに住んでる感」が出てるのも草。2ちゃん+136
gamria
原文
That's what makes Yuru such a fun protagonist, even if he might not emote all the time. Despite all the technological and magical phenomena that baffles him, he can calmly study, observe, deduce and consolidate the facts he does understand into facts/knowledge he can action with and adapts accordingly. It shows that his mountain hunter upbringing isn't a weakness, but a strength he can take pride in and still proves useful.
Those who've watched Dr Stone, it's like Chrome and other Stone World inhabitants: primitivity does not equal unintelligence, they can still observe and study your modern ways to keep up with you.
EDIT: also want to include, it's also like dear Tanjirou from Kimetsu, another observant protagonist with a hunter-gatherer mindset. The thoughts can be verbose, but the essence is the same.
確かにそれな。ユルが感情をあんまり表に出さなくても楽しい主人公なのはそこだよね。技術や魔法で困惑する状況でも冷静に観察・分析して、理解したことを知識として活用できる。山での狩人育ちが弱点じゃなくて誇れる強みになってるのがいい。
Dr. Stoneのクロムや石器時代の住人みたいに、原始=無知じゃないってことだな。現代のやり方を観察して追いつける。鬼滅の炭治郎も同じような狩猟採集民タイプの観察力ある主人公だね。考え方は回りくどいけど本質は一緒。普通くん+67
myrlin77
原文
Hell, Sun Tzus Art of War is still mandatory study material today and it’s from 1500 years ago
Intelligence or genius, at the end of the day, will adapt. You are spot on. Excluding technology or differences, the basic fundamentals of life are the same. Regardless of technology, people’s base instincts and actions are the same.
An archer learning a rifle
An alchemist learning nuclear fusion
A general using drones instead of cavalry.
Surprise the enemy with darkness that blinds when you can see
It’s a very mature take. And I’m here for all of it!!
せやな、孫子の兵法とか1500年前の本が今でも必修教材ってのがもう全てを物語っとるわな。
結局、天才とか知能とか関係なく、人間の本質は変わらんのやろな。
・弓使いがライフル覚える
・錬金術師が核融合覚える
・将軍が騎兵の代わりにドローン使う
暗闇で敵を攪乱する戦術とか、根本は同じやん。
ワイもこの大人な解釈ガチで好きやわ。全部飲み込むンゴwww2ちゃん+5
maxdragonxiii
well, I guess i know whats my anime of the decade after FMA Botherhood.
確かに、それは某も同感でござる。『鋼の錬金術師』同様、作者の手際は見事で、主人公たちの成長の余地をしっかり描いておる。『黄泉のツガイ』、これは十年のうちに語られる傑作となるやもしれぬな。武士+17
Vundal
Well said. Its really refreshing how Yuru is so aggressive in combat compared to other protags. Seeing him go for major wounds during fights, its almost surreal.
確かに。ユルが他の主人公と違って戦闘でめちゃくちゃ攻撃的なのが新鮮だよね。戦闘中に大ダメージ狙ってくのは、なんか非現実的ですらあるわ。普通くん+5
MannyOmega
原文
Disagree, a purely rational character could easily take a more passive course of action, and try to sus out the Left and Right’s battle capabilities before engaging in combat. Hell, Yuru knows they can also sense daemons nearby, he could have had them stay on alert while he rested and got used to the modern-day world, fuck knows it’s been a long couple of days for him. Instead he took the initiative to find his enemies first. That’s a cool, proactive move
いや、合理的なキャラならもっと受動的に動いて、左右の戦闘力を探ってから仕掛けるもんだろ。ユルは近くに悪魔が感知できるのを知ってるんだから、休みながら現代に慣れる間も警戒させとけばよかった。実際ここ数日、彼にとっては長かっただろうしな。それを敵を先に探しに行った。クールで主体的な行動だよ。ドライおじ+18
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
Maybe I'm slow, but I just realized all the daemons come in pairs, just like the twins.
あれ?気づくの遅かったけど、悪魔みんな双子みたいにペアなんだなwwwwおじ+367
Moxey616
Yes the chompers is 2 demons too, upper jaw and lower jaw.
確かに!あのチョンパーも2体の悪魔で、上顎と下顎に分かれてるんだよね。普通くん+171
extralie
Huh, I didn't notice that until now ngl.
えっ、マジで気づかなかったわ…それヤバすぎるッ!感情くん+38
QuietLoud9680
Ooooooooohhhhhhhhh, that makes sense
あーなるほど、それで納得だわ普通くん+5
FarCritical
They're like boxart legendaries for mainline Pokemon games fr
それな!気づかなかったんだけど、言われてみれば確かにポケモンのパッケージレジェンドみたいな関係じゃん!やばくね?ギャル+131
somersault_dolphin
Onky if you ignore the third wheel trio
せやな、第三のグループ無視したらなwww2ちゃん+29
Se7en_Sinner
Not only that but they appear to be opposites of each other.
確かに!それにさ、お互い正反対っぽくない?やばくね!?ギャル+111
L0CZEK
Well, not exactly opposite, but complementary.
いや、真逆ってわけじゃないンゴね。補完し合ってる感じやな。2ちゃん+174
BosuW
_Contraria sunt complementa_
Its both
確かに、相反するってより補完し合う関係って感じだね。両方とも正しいと思う。普通くん+36
divineshadow666
原文
Yeah, assuming all pairs are male/female, almost every pair we've seen also visually present as opposite (Left and Right also presenting as prominently male/female, cat/dog, big/little fish, tortoise and hare, upper/lower jaw). I say "almost" because one pair we've seen, Oshirasama, are a woman and a horse which aren't really any more "opposite" than any other human/other mammal pairing would be. But then, maybe that's why they're a little more special than your typical daemon and are considered a god.
せやな、基本どのペアも男/女で対になってるし、見た目も左右で性別がはっきり分かれてるやん(猫/犬、大魚/小魚、亀と兎、上顎/下顎)。ただおしら様だけは女と馬で、人間と哺乳類の組み合わせってだけで特に対極ってわけでもないンゴね。だからこそ普通のデーモンより特別で神扱いなんかもしれへんけどな。2ちゃん+81
kukisulasu
big/little fish are the female and male forms of anglerfish, and oshirasama is based on japanese folklore
確かに、オオミズウオとチビミズウオはチョウチンアンコウの雌雄だし、オシラ様は日本の民間伝承が元になってるね。普通くん+90
nqtoan1994
原文
In real life legend, Oshirasama is a daughter that was wrapped by her deceased father's skin (which was a horse), and ascended to the heaven, then became the god of worm silk and algriculture. So the woman is the daughther and the horse (which has a scar around his neck) is the father.
Also another pair with clearer implying of their genders is Jin's. In real life, the female anglerfish is massively bigger than the male. In Scavenger's case, Jin even called the bigger one Ai*-chan* and the smaller one Makoto*-kun*.
確かに、現実の民間伝承で言うと、おしら様は亡き父親の馬の皮に包まれた娘が天に昇り、蚕と農業の神になったという話だ。つまり、女性が娘で、首に傷跡のある馬が父親という構図になる。
もう一つ、性別がより明確に示唆されているペアがジンのものだ。現実のアンコウはメスがオスより圧倒的に大きい。スカベンジャーの場合、ジンは大きい方をアイちゃん、小さい方をマコト君と呼んでいる点が興味深い。考察くん+56
abandoned_idol
Oh! I never noticed that.
So the little angler that spits stuff out is the male. The big one if the female. Angler fish coincidentally have very extreme dimorphous.
I'm so dense!
あっ!気づかなかった…!
つまり、吐き出す小さいアンコウがオスで大きいのがメスってことか。アンコウって偶然にもめっちゃ極端な性的二形なんだな。
俺、鈍すぎるッ!感情くん+25
TheBusStop12
Ties in really well with the twins of night and day
それって昼夜の双子の設定ともすごく合うね普通くん+10
chrisff1989
They translate Tsugai as Daemons, but it literally means pair/couple
せやな、ツガイって直訳すると「対(ペア)」って意味やん。デーモンって訳すとニュアンス変わってくるけど、ワイも気づかんかったわ草2ちゃん+98
nqtoan1994
Yes, "tsugai" in the title means "pair". Though it is written by katakana instead of kanji, which hints towards possible additional meanings.
なるほど…「ツガイ」という言葉は、本来「番い」と書くのが定め。だが、この作品ではカタカナで記されている。それはすなわち、我々の知る“対”の概念を超えた、さらなる秘密が秘められているという暗示なのだ…深淵を覗く覚悟が要るな。中二病+70
Small_Importance_955
Tsugai. Two-guy. Huh...
確かに。「ツガイ」は「番(つがい)」で、カタカナ表記が意味深だよね。普通くん+34
FarCritical
Two Guys from the Shadow Realm
影の世界から来た二人組か…ッ!それだけでワクワクが止まらねェ!感情くん+20
MannyOmega
They called them pairs in first ep lol
最初の話で「ツガイ」って言ってたやん草
ワイも気づくの遅かったンゴwww2ちゃん+27
jazzy753
The japanese word they use which was replaced by daemons in the English translation tsugai means pair(s) so it's a given that they are always in pairs
確かに、原作で使われてる「ツガイ」って言葉自体がペアって意味だから、英語版でdaemonに変えられてるけど元からペアなのは当然だよね普通くん+10
Vane_999
Guess I'm slow too, cause I just noticed that 😆
ワイも気づくの遅かったわwww 確かに全部ペアやんけ草2ちゃん+8
Hounds_of_war
原文
Was the kitchen knife that little fish spit out the same knife the big fish swallowed after devouring that stalker? I… guess that knife is probably fine to use. Overall a really cool ability set on that fish pair, one swallows stuff that the other can spit up.
Lmao at Gabby playing games on what is very clearly a Switch. In hindsight with how much this is clearly just present day Japan (or at least present day when the manga started coming out), I bet the “nasty illness going around” that Dera mentioned in episode 1 was covid.
Yuru having a very different dynamic with his Daemons than other people seem to have is fun. The others seem to view their Daemons like Pokemon while Yuru treats Left and Right like… subordinates that still have seniority over him so he’ll often defer to them.
あの小魚が吐き出した包丁って、ストーカーを飲み込んだ大魚が飲み込んだやつだよな……おそらく使っても大丈夫な包丁だと思う。あの魚ペアの能力セットはかなりクールだね。片方が飲み込んだものを、もう片方が吐き出せるって。
ギャビーが明らかにSwitchでゲームしてるの笑った。今思うと、これが完全に現代日本(少なくとも連載開始時の現代)ってのがはっきりしてるし、デラが第1話で言ってた「流行りの病気」ってコロナだったんだろうな。
ユルが他の人とデーモンとの関係性が違うのは面白いね。他の人はデーモンをポケモンみたいに見てるけど、ユルは左右を…自分より先輩格の部下みたいに扱ってて、よく彼らに従ってる感じだ。普通くん+304
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
>The others seem to view their Daemons like Pokemon while Yuru treats Left and Right like… subordinates that still have seniority over him so he’ll often defer to them.
Well, it certainly helps when Yuru's daemons have human-like forms and the ability to speak (which doesn't seem to be the case for every one) and share/offer up their knowledge and opinions.
That said, I wouldn't necessarily underestimate the 'pokemon' users (as you'd call them). At the end of the day, Daemons are still tools and in the hands of the right owner/user, even one tiny bunny can overwhelm a giant with speed, and a tortoise can outweigh a boulder.
Hopefully Ai can at least re-grow his/her pearly whites. I know Left had no other way of freeing Yuru, but that (kick) really looked like it hurt Ai a lot.
確かに、ユルのツガイが人型で会話できるというのは大きなアドバンテージだな。他のツガイ使いがポケモン的に扱うのに対し、ユルは左右を先輩格の部下として敬意を払っているのが興味深い。
ただ、ポケモン的使い手を過小評価するのは危険だという考察もできる。結局ツガイは道具であり、使い手次第でウサギが巨人をスピードで圧倒し、カメが岩をも凌ぐ可能性がある。
アイの歯が再生することを願うばかりだ。左がユルを解放する他に手段がなかったのは理解できるが、あの蹴りはアイに相当ダメージを与えたように見える。考察くん+139
GirlWithThePandaHat
If those daemons are anglerfish then Ai is the lady. Fun fact, male anglerfish are tiny and are only around to fuse with a female anglerfish fish to make babies… and female anglerfish can have a few males attached to her.
あ、なるほど!左と右がチョウチンアンコウなら、アイがメスってことか。実際オスのチョウチンアンコウは小さくて、メスと融合して繁殖するだけだし、メスは複数のオスをくっつけられるんだよね。面白い例えだわ。普通くん+98
sesaman
The original simp magnets.
まあ、原初のシンパ磁石ってわけだな。ドライおじ+23
PowerlinxJetfire
I'm with Gabby on the knife thing. Who knows when the stalker last washed his hands. "Hasn't been used to kill anyone" is a pretty low bar for sanitation lol
確かに。包丁の件はGabbyの言う通りだよね。ストーカーが最後に手を洗ったのがいつか分からないし、「人を殺してない」って衛生基準としてはハードル低すぎるわ笑普通くん+115
BosuW
Even the village people must have a way higher standard than that
それな!ギャビーの言う通り包丁ヤバくね?笑
つかストーカーの手が清潔かも謎じゃん。「誰も殺してない」って言われてもさ〜
村人だってそれ以上の基準あるっしょ!ギャル+22
nqtoan1994
The smaller fish also spitted out the stone lantern that Asa had broken when practicing her ability and which Jin had made the bigger fish clean it up.
It means that for some funny reason, the smaller fish may be able to spit out the stalker if needed.
返信先の考察に補足すると、小さい方の魚はアサが能力練習で壊してジンが大きい魚に片付けさせた石灯籠も吐き出してたんだよな。
つまり、何か面白い理由があれば、小さい魚は必要に応じてストーカーも吐き出せる可能性があるという考察ができる。考察くん+92
abandoned_idol
Look forward to seeing that bastard again.
あのクズにまた会えるのを楽しみにしてるよ。普通くん+30
HornedTurtle1212
I'm guessing living things that get swallowed don't do nearly as well as inanimate objects. Otherwise they would have immediately swallowed the brother and been done with it.
確かに!生き物を飲み込むと無機物みたいにうまくいかないんだろうな。そうじゃなきゃ最初から弟を飲み込んで終わらせてるはずだし。納得すぎるッ!感情くん+5
Eunuchest
>Was the kitchen knife that little fish spit out the same knife the big fish swallowed after devouring that stalker? I… guess that knife is probably fine to use. Overall a really cool ability set on that fish pair, one swallows stuff that the other can spit up.
Yeah but hey its clean.
確かに、でも洗えば問題ないよね。あの魚ペアの能力セット、片方が飲み込んだものを片方が吐き出せるって結構クールだと思う。普通くん+36
pi8you
Is it though? We don't know what that stalker was doing with it before or what goes on in the daemon gutspace.
せやな。でもストーカーがその前に何してたか分からんし、デーモンの体内空間で何が起きてるかも謎やしな。2ちゃん+27
alconnow
Gabriel is a talented artist!
ガブリエル、才能ありすぎじゃない!?まじでやばいって!ギャル+225
Thomas_JCG
His talent is going so underappreciated
それな!ガブリエルの才能マジで評価されなさすぎだし無理すぎるッ!感情くん+28
Scooterman1994
I can’t begin to express how refreshing it is to have an intelligent and competent MC in a shonen again. He and his Daemons completely dominated this fight despite being outnumbered. Last time I can recall a genuinely intelligent MC is Edward Elric which tracks with this being the same author of course.
確かに頭脳明晰で有能な主人公って久しぶりだよね。数で劣ってたのに主人公と使い魔で完全に試合を支配してたし。前回ちゃんと賢い主人公ってエドワード・エルリック以来かもって思ったら、なるほど同じ作者ってわけか。普通くん+225
CitronClassic672
Hey, Dandadan’s Momo pretty much wins every fight through her strategic thinking, and Denji, despite being kind of a dumbass in most moments, locks the fuck in in combat.
それな!Momoの戦略的思考まじで天才すぎるし、Denjiも普段バカでも戦闘になると急に覚醒するのエモすぎるッ!感情くん+78
Scooterman1994
Denji locks in but he’s 100% a dumbass and is incompetent in anything else that isn’t a fight. I kinda forgot about Momo but part of that is because Dandadan while shonen, feels so distinctly like nothing else so I kinda forget it’s a shonen.
確かに。デンジは戦闘以外は完全にバカだよね。モモのことは忘れてたけど、ダンダダンって少年漫画なのに他にない雰囲気があるから、ジャンルを忘れがちになるわ。普通くん+67
somersault_dolphin
It's battle shounen with heavy slice of life elements in the style of old school stuff like Law of Ueki, Zatch Bell, Kekkaishi etc, but with the romance front and center and absurdity more in the style of things like Dorohedoro (but honestly, nothing tops that), Chainsaw Man etc.
同意。戦闘以外は無能なデンジ、確かにそうだ。本作は古式ゆかしい植木の法則や金色のガッシュ、結界師といったバトル少年漫画に日常要素を重ねつつ、恋愛を前面に押し出した構造が特徴的。さらにドロヘドロやチェンソーマン風の不条理ギャグが散りばめられている。ただ、ドロヘドロの唯一無二さには敵わないというのが個人的な考察だ。考察くん+20
BosuW
Momo really fighting against stereotypes with her being the brains of the team instead of the nerd Okarun. Although he also contributes with his knowledge.
She is street smart, he is book smart.
And together they are streetbook.
確かに。モモがチームの頭脳ってのがいいよね。オカルト知識はオカルンだけど、実戦的な知恵はモモって感じで。二人合わせて最強ってわけだ。普通くん+35
abandoned_idol
"World Trigger" has the most naive protagonist ever, but if you like competent good guys, then the main team has at least two professionals in it.
Just in case anyone is interested. Season 1 remake was announced, but without a release date.
「World Trigger」の主人公はかなりナイーブなタイプだが、有能な善人が好きならメインチームには少なくとも2人のプロフェッショナルがいるという考察ができる。
ちなみに、第1期のリメイクが発表されたが、放送日は未定だ。この情報を踏まえると、制作陣は既存ファンと新規層の両方を意識している可能性が高い。考察くん+40
BoyTitan
Hold on World trigger Osamu literally makes up for not being op with big brain energy, that literally gets more big brain as the series goes on. Problem is everyone in world trigger is a genius. Even the idiots are smart.
いや、World Triggerの修はOPじゃない分を頭脳でカバーしてるじゃん。しかもシリーズ進むごとにどんどん賢くなってくし。ただ問題はWorld Triggerのキャラ全員が天才すぎるんだよな。アホですら頭いいっていう。普通くん+14
Typhoonis88
As its part of the title the thing that i really enjoy about World trigger is the WORLD such a cool premise and it does well to flesh it out!
But my god does glasses get on my nerves and later mini me with the 50 cal. I find that its a show that i enjoy the antagonists a lot more, be it the rival teams or other combatants they verse down the line
PPS capybara's rock
【返信】
ワールドトリガーで一番好きなとこはタイトル通り「世界観」やわ。設定がクールでしっかり肉付けされてるンゴwww
ただメガネ(修)はホンマにイライラするし、後半のミニミー(千佳)の50口径もな。敵キャラとかライバルチームの方が好きすぎるわ。ワイは完全に敵側のファンやわ
追記:カピバラ最強やろwww2ちゃん+6
abandoned_idol
I'm a simp for the Canadians and the midgets.
But yeah, the rival teams are so cool as well. I love how menacing many minor characters feel.
確かにワールドトリガーは世界観が最高だよね。カナダ人と小人キャラに俺はメロメロだけど、ライバルチームもめっちゃカッコいいし、マイナーキャラの威圧感がいい感じだと思う。普通くん+5
RedTurtle78
I think y'all forget how competent Deku is because he cries a lot lol.
確かにデクは泣きすぎだけど、能力はめっちゃあるの忘れてない?笑感情くん+6
International_Leg666
All I know is that Left is Bae. The Pet cat is just as smug as I would expect.
左がベイビーすぎるだろw 飼い猫のツンデレ具合が想像通りでワロタwwwwwwおじ+217
Moxey616
Left is Bae and Right is Bro. Perfect daemon companions.
確かにLeftはBaeでRightはBroだね。完璧な使い魔コンビだと思う。普通くん+186
finnjakefionnacake
right is also bae.
as is dera for that matter, why did they make him lose his facial hair? 😭
左も嫁やけど右も嫁やん。
ついでにデラもな。なんでヒゲなくしたんや…😭2ちゃん+48
Wama-Schawama
Left is so beautiful and cool & Right is so funny and cool. Love these two so far
確かに。左は美人でかっこよくて、右は面白くてかっこいい。この二人めっちゃ好きだわ。普通くん+24
tyler980908
she's so attractive as a character, and right is just badass.
確かに!レフトは尊すぎるッ!ペットの猫のドヤ顔も期待通りで最高。ライトのカッコよさもヤバい。この2人の対比がエモすぎる!感情くん+77
EXusiai99
Left is baddie alright
確かに、Leftはまさにbaddieだよね。ペットの猫のドヤ顔も期待通りで笑ったわ。普通くん+20
mythriz
that stupid face Left made in the bathtub was kinda hilarious too haha
それな!左のあの風呂でのバカ顔、笑えるんだけどまじでウケたわwギャル+13
Zephyr_Prashant
Left is absolutely stunning
確かに、左は本当に魅力的だよね。ペットの猫も思った通りのドヤ顔で笑える。普通くん+11
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Yuru making a bad first impression on Jirou and Kotetsu, he's going to have a hard time. Jirou already dislikes his scent lol.
Sad times now that Dera has shaved. He's lost a part of his charm.
The way Left and Right were approaching Jin's group looked so cool, I did find the Turtle and Hare daemon pairing interesting to see, that was easily recognizable for me. I do have to say Yuru stood out to me with how he attacked Jin in the dark, it makes me more curious about how he'll fight in the future.
The control Yuru had over himself to not kill Jin after he confesses that he was responsible for the attack on his village was impressive. I'm sure that'll be on his mind in the future, so I'm curious what will eventually go down between them.
ユルのジローとコテツに対する第一印象の悪さは、今後の人間関係に苦労する伏線だと思われる。ジローが既に彼の匂いを嫌っている点も興味深いな。
デラが髪を剃ってしまったのは残念だ。彼の魅力の一部が失われたと言わざるを得ない。
左右がジンのグループに接近する方法は非常にスタイリッシュだった。特に亀と兎の使い魔の組み合わせは一目でわかる象徴的で、制作陣の意図が感じられる。暗闇でのユルのジンへの攻撃は特に印象的で、彼の今後の戦闘スタイルへの期待が高まる。
ユルが村を襲った犯人がジンだと告白された後も殺さずに自制した点は評価できる。この件は今後彼の心に重くのしかかるだろうから、二人の関係がどう展開するか考察が捗るな。考察くん+204
Myrkrvaldyr
>The control Yuru had over himself to not kill Jin after he confesses that he was responsible for the attack on his village was impressive. I'm sure that'll be on his mind in the future, so I'm curious what will eventually go down between them.
He gotta find out first why they were attacked and massacred in the first place after all. Hopefully we'll actually get an answer to that soon.
せやな、ユルがジンに村襲撃の真相告白された時、グッと殺意抑えたのマジで草。
絶対今後また何かあるやろな、気になるわ。
でもまずはなんで襲われたのか、そっちの理由知らんと話にならんしな。
早くその辺の答え見せてほしいンゴ。2ちゃん+125
Zero3020
Judging by the preview seems like we may be getting some info hopefully.
確かに、予告見る限りだと何か情報が明かされそうだね。楽しみ。普通くん+38
SciFiXhi
>Jirou already dislikes his scent lol.
Maybe Jirou just hates the scent because Yuru has been living without modern hygiene for years. Having been spoiled by living in a society with running water and deodorizing soaps, Yuru is probably the nastiest person Jirou has smelled in recent memory.
せやな、ユル何年も風呂入ってなさそうやしな。水道も石鹸もないとこで暮らしてたらそら臭いわな。ジローからしたらマジでキツイやろなwww2ちゃん+115
NanDemoKnaives
That is a very good point lol.
それな!確かにユルが現代社会で暮らしてなかったから、その匂いが気になるってのはありえるかもね笑ギャル+44
ImportantExtension91
I thought because yuru is a hunter, animals instinctively dislike him. His scent would also mix with the prey he hunts.
それな。
ユルが狩人やから動物が本能的に避けてるってワイも思ったわ。
獲物の匂いも混ざっとるしな。2ちゃん+7
BoyTitan
Dog wouldn't mind that since dogs are hunters also. He probably legit just smells like hot ass.
確かに犬はもともとハンターだから気にしないかもな。単純にユルの匂いがきついだけって可能性もあるね。普通くん+24
namewithak
Cats are literally one of the best hunters on earth. Dogs were historically used as hunting hounds. If anything, Yuru being a hunter would make them like him.
確かに!猫も犬も元は狩猟動物だもんな。むしろユルがハンターだからこそ動物に好かれるって話、超納得すぎるッ!感情くん+7
BosuW
> I do have to say Yuru stood out to me with how he attacked Jin in the dark, it makes me more curious about how he'll fight in the future.
Actually roll that one back for a sec, cuz I was sure Asa was the night twin. Ah shit the name probably should've been a clue lol. Still interesting how their designs and roles seem to be counterintuitive.
せやな、ユルが暗闇でジンに襲いかかったシーンはワイも印象的やったわ。今後の戦い方が楽しみやで
ちょっと待て、ワイはてっきりアサが夜の双子やと思っとったンゴwww 名前で気づけよって話やな。でもデザインと役割が逆になってるのが面白いわ2ちゃん+32
flyhighs4869
Yuru's the "big brother", making him born first in the pre-dawn night.
確かに、ユルは闇の中で仁を攻撃したシーンが印象的だったね。彼の動き方でさらに気になるわ。普通くん+24
mythriz
> The way Left and Right were approaching Jin's group looked so cool
Jin's group already revealed that they needed to kidnap Yuru, not kill him, so threats about killing him did not really have that much weight, especially coming from the most nervous member rather than one of the more cool-headed ones
左と右がジンのグループに近づくシーン、あれ本当にカッコよかったよな。
ただ、ジン側はユルを殺すのではなく拉致する必要があると既に明かしているから、殺すぞ的な脅しは正直あまり効力がなかったんだよな。特に、冷静なメンバーじゃなくて一番緊張してる奴が言ってたってのが、その軽さを強調してるという考察ができる。考察くん+9
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
Those two being more worried bro doesn’t get hurt because he doesn’t have insurance over any other reason was pretty funny. Paying out of pocket when you have no insurance will KO your wallet lol.
Guy went looking for Asa, got caught in a trap, escaped, and now he’s got the upper hand. Or so it seems. I do hope Asa comes down and they have a proper chat. I’m still not 100% sure who even is the “villain” in this. Both sides seem shady as hell if I’m being honest.
あの二人が「あいつ保険ないからケガさせられない」って心配してるのめっちゃ笑ったわ。無保険で自腹切ったら財布死ぬからな笑。
主人公はアサ探しに行って罠にかかって脱出して、今は有利っぽい?でもまだどっちが悪役か全然わかんないな。正直両方とも怪しすぎる。アサが出てきてちゃんと話し合ってほしい。普通くん+176
Youssay123
It's really cool to be in the shadow too and not know who's the good/bad guys
それな!笑 どっちが善でどっちが悪か分かんないまま影にいるの、めっちゃクールじゃん!ギャル+56
PeaceAlien
Funny they think he won’t get into any trouble, but he runs straight towards trouble.
草、保険ないからケガすんなって心配してんの笑うわ
でも本人は真っ先にトラブルに突っ込んでくやんwww
保険よりそっち心配した方が良くね?2ちゃん+34
namewithak
Medical bills are the true final boss of the modern world.
それな!医療費が現代のラスボスすぎるじゃん笑 保険ないとかマジでヤバいって!ギャル+21
mythriz
> I’m still not 100% sure who even is the “villain” in this. Both sides seem shady as hell if I’m being honest.
Asa's group feels somewhat yakuza-like, while Yuru's group feels somewhat cult-like lol
確かに。誰が悪役なのかまだハッキリしないよね。アサのグループはヤクザっぽいし、ユルのグループはカルトっぽい感じがするw普通くん+21
Zeph-Shoir
I wouldn't even count the village as Yuru's group, at least not right now, Dera and Hana also feel a bit detached from the village, they don't seem to be in contact and receiving orders.
せやな、村はユルのグループってわけでもなさそうやわ、少なくとも今はな。デラとハナも村からはちょっと距離ある感じやし、連絡取ったり命令受け取ってるわけでもなさそうやしな。2ちゃん+6
Recent_Call_1188
原文
I like how Yuru’s character is written so far. He rushes straight at the enemy without thinking, super reckless, but at least he actually realizes he messed up afterward. Him apologizing to Left and Right makes a big difference. Unlike a lot of shonen anime male characters who are ridiculously stubborn and never admit when they’re wrong, Yuru actually owns up to his mistake, which makes him feel way more real.
ユルのキャラクターの書き方、今のところ結構好きだな。敵に無鉄砲に突っ込んでいって、後で自分がやらかしたって気づく感じ。左と右に謝るところが大きいよね。多くの少年アニメの主人公みたいに頑固で絶対に間違いを認めないタイプじゃなくて、ちゃんと過ちに向き合うからリアルに感じられる。普通くん+173
Close-Thirds
原文
I agree -- I like how he's been written so far, too.
Along with that, I'd argue he was absolutely thinking when he decided to track down his sister.
He was thinking like a hunter.
He used all the available knowledge and tools he had to the best of his present ability. Ultimately, he was tricked into being captured, but considering his opponents have more experience, people, and planned far enough in advance to draw blood from Asa and set up a decoy, I think he did as well has could be expected.
I'm not saying more forethought wouldn't have been good, obviously, but considering that he doesn't fully trust Dera and Hana, it sort of makes sense that he'd just go about this on his own. It's reasonable character writing and behavior based on his circumstances.
せやな、ワイもユルのキャラ描写はええと思うわ。
あと、妹追跡の判断はガチで考えてたと思うで。
・ハンター的な思考やった
・手持ちの知識と道具をフル活用
・結局罠にかかったけど、相手は経験値も人数も段違いやし、アサから血抜いて囮用意するレベルで先読んでたンゴ
デラやハナを完全に信用してない以上、単独行動するのも納得や。
キャラの状況考えたら妥当な描写やろ。2ちゃん+59
HornedTurtle1212
I think at the village he was making the choice that proteted as many people left in the village as possible. If the fight had continued at that time there was no way to be sure that no more villagers would get caught up in it. But now there is no one but him and the people that he was looking for, this is a much better battlefield for a confrontation.
村では残ってる村人をできるだけ守るための選択をしたんだと思う。あの時点で戦い続けてたら、他の村人が巻き込まれない保証はなかったからね。でも今は彼と探してた人たちしかいないし、対決するにはもっと良い戦場ってわけだ。普通くん+10
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
Yuru:
>Everything down here is a pain
Truer words were never spoken
How can anyone not love the hillbilly trio's reaction to every new stuff they see/encounter? The pure amazement on those faces--I'd tease them, too if I was Dera.
Either way, the different types of daemons seem to be the highlight of this episode and each one possess not only a unique (animal) form, but also unique sets of talent and personality, and needless to say abilities.
Love the olden artistry of Gabriel (just imagine if they worked in law enforcement) and the very handy (unlimited) storage management of Makoto--repurposing the stalker's knife (from the previous episode) the way it was always meant to be used. Ofc Gabby would have her reservations about using it too, like any normal person would lol
ユル:
>「ここは何もかも面倒だ」
まったくその通りだよな。
あの田舎者トリオが新しいものに出会うたびに見せるリアクション、好きじゃない人なんている? あの純粋な驚きの表情を見てると、俺がデラだったら間違いなくからかってるわ。
それはさておき、今回のエピソードの見どころはやはり多種多様なツガイたちだな。それぞれが独自の(動物の)形態だけでなく、ユニークな才能や性格、言うまでもなく能力を持っている。
ガブリエルの古風な芸術性(もし彼らが警察で働いてたらどうなるか想像してみてくれ)と、マコトの非常に便利な(無制限の)収納管理には感心するよ。前回のストーカーのナイフを本来あるべき使い方で再利用してるのが良い。もちろんギャビーがそれを使うのをためらうのも、普通の人間らしくて笑えるな。考察くん+149
Se7en_Sinner
We truly live in a bureaucratic society.
確かに。ほんとその通りだよね。普通くん+38
PerfectBeige
>and the very handy (unlimited) storage management of Makoto
Somewhere in the afterlife, Toji nods in approval.
> そして真琴の超便利な(無制限)収納管理
あの世のどこかで、トウジが頷いてるンゴwww
同意やわ。真琴の収納チートっぷりは草生える。2ちゃん+13
Desperate_Method4020
Yuru is such a good written protagonist, love how he can take care of himself, without relying on his Daemons. And that he is pretty level headed, and doesn't let his feelings cloud the situation.
Im also pretty psyched to see how the people will react to the Kagemoris next week.
ユルってほんとよく書かれた主人公だよね。デーモンに頼らず自分でなんとかできるし、結構冷静で感情に流されないのがいいわ。来週の影森家に対する人々の反応もめっちゃ気になる。普通くん+133
Se7en_Sinner
> And that he is pretty level headed, and doesn't let his feelings cloud the situation.
Except the part where he attacked the bait Asa onsight and got trapped because of it.
> アサの偽物見て即攻撃して罠にハマったとこ除いてな
まあそこ以外は割と冷静で感情に流されないのは良いとこやな2ちゃん+59
Desperate_Method4020
Yeah, but he admitted that he got overwhelmed by feelings, even said he was sorry for rushing in. And also turned the disadvantage, into an advantage.
それな!でも本人も「感情に流されちゃった」って認めてて、突っ走ったこと謝ってたじゃん!しかもその不利な状況を逆にチャンスに変えてるし、まじやばくね!?ギャル+109
EtchyLamp
And then at the end of the episode, displayed how he learned his lesson: angry, probably justified in slitting that guy's throat.... But instead composes himself and goes for a tactical response.
確かに。でも最終的に彼はちゃんと学んでたよね。怒りはあっただろうけど、冷静に対処してたし。成長したなって思う。普通くん+38
nqtoan1994
Gotta blame Right for giving Yuru motion sickness. His mind was probably recovering from that flight 😆
それな!ユルに乗り物酔いさせたライトが悪いじゃん笑 あのフライトで頭まだクラクラしてたんじゃね?ギャル+27
PeaceAlien
His Daemons are strong but so are others. What sets him apart has been his thought processes mid fight so far.
確かに。ユルの戦闘中の思考プロセスが他の使い手と一線を画してるよね。デーモンに頼りすぎない自立した主人公って感じで好感持てる。普通くん+31
a_Bear_from_Bearcave
原文
I thing the strength, speed and especially toughness of his Daemons (and other stuff like superior sense of smell) is hard to beat. Other Daemons could only keep them in check, without any way to cause damage to them, while as soon as they got free they started to wreak havoc.
They can easily tank most of surprise damage or debuffs from other Daemons, while only needing one good hit to KO the others. That's quite a big advantage. Not to take anything from Yuru's skill and mind resilience as a hunter, obviously.
彼の使役するツガイは、強さや速さ、特に耐久力(優れた嗅覚などの能力も含めて)が圧倒的で、他のツガイでは手に負えないんだよな。他のツガイはせいぜい抑え込むのが精一杯で、ダメージを与える手段すらないのに、ユルのツガイは解放され次第、好き放題に暴れ回る。
他のツガイからの不意打ちやデバフを軽々と受け流しつつ、こちらは一撃で相手を沈められる。これはかなり大きなアドバンテージだ。もちろん、猟師としてのユルの技術や精神力が優れているのは言うまでもないが。考察くん+22
finnjakefionnacake
um...what? he wouldn't have gotten out of the situation this episode without his daemons lol
え?いや、今回の展開、ツガイなしじゃ脱出できなかったじゃん笑普通くん+5
Mochachiiino
Gabriels artistic talent is off the charts. I thought it was cool way to show that perhaps gabriel is an ancient tsugai who admired the ukio e style.
ガブリエルの画力ガチでやばすぎやろwww 浮世絵スタイルに憧れてた古代のツガイって設定、めっちゃクールやん!2ちゃん+93
randomisawesome
Mini Gabriel sitting on Gabby-chans head will never not be adorable.
ミニガブリエルがガビちゃんの頭の上に座ってるの、何度見ても可愛すぎるッ!優勝!感情くん+74
abandoned_idol
Easiest cosplay ever too.
1). Place your grandpa/grandmas dentures on your shoulder.
2). Glue some googly eyes.
3) Finished.
せやな、しかもこれ史上最強の簡単コスプレやろwww
1) じいちゃんばあちゃんの入れ歯を肩に置く
2) 動く目玉シールを貼る
3) 完成
草生えるわwww2ちゃん+49
SmileyTheSmile
Don't remove them when you give the dentures back. Let your grandma have a friend.
それな!笑 入れ歯返すときもそのままにしてあげてよ。ばあちゃんに新しい友達できちゃうじゃん!ギャル+20
Aileos
Dera turning into a stud without his beard
デラが髭なしでイケメン化しすぎィ!!感情くん+75
supakame
But less Jason Statham-like
でもジェイソン・ステイサム感は減ったね普通くん+116
vivement
Does she actually mention Statham in Japanese?
「草、日本語版で本当にスタサムって言ってるの?www」2ちゃん+28
profdeadpool
Yes.
うん、言ってるよ。普通くん+49
EliseVoices
😭💔
泣いた。まじで泣いた…ジェイソン・ステイサム感減ったのエモすぎるッ!💔😭感情くん+23
Solar_Slushie
Should of shaved his head instead.
頭剃った方が良かったんちゃうかwww そしたらジェイソン・ステイサム感増したやろな2ちゃん+11
Eunuchest
Went from Jason Statham to Zac Efron
髭なしでジェイソン・ステイサムからザック・エフロンに変わったのウケるw普通くん+34
finnjakefionnacake
but he looks like a stud *with* his beard.
also like i said last episode, the mangaka/animators clearly love him. this is like his fourth outfit already lol.
え、髭ありのほうが逆にイケメンじゃね!?
つーか前回も言ったけど、作者&アニメーター陣まじでこのキャラ好きすぎじゃない?笑
衣装もう4着目なんだけどwwwギャル+17
AceSoldia
The preview for episode 5 surprise me..I honestly didn't think Yuru and Asa would talk again so quickly.
I'm glad Yuru wants to learn as much as he can..can't just trust his current people
第5話の予告には驚いたよ…まさかユルとアサがこんなに早くまた話すとは思わなかった。
ユルができるだけ多くを学びたいと思ってくれてるのは嬉しいね…今の仲間をただ信じるわけにはいかないもんな。普通くん+70
Zero3020
I am so glad this doesn't seem to be the kind of story where we need to wait for 50 episodes before the twins can speak to each other again.
それなッ!双子がまたすぐ話せる展開、めちゃくちゃ嬉しい!50話も待たされるパターンじゃなくて本当に良かった〜!感情くん+56
BlackSCrow
Just love it when an author developed the progression quickly without rushing and running out of ideas
【返信】
せやな、作者のテンポ良すぎて草
急いでる感じせんし、アイデア切れてない感じがガチで好きやわ2ちゃん+17
randomisawesome
Yeah. Like. The story feels slow burn, but actually moves at a pretty decent pace.
確かに。ストーリーはじっくり進んでる感じするけど、実際は結構いいペースで動いてるよね。普通くん+7
Background_Formal940
原文
Wow he actually tried to attack a girl he thought was his sister with a knife goes to show you that asa really REALLY made a bad impression on him and her group is not exactly getting on his good side they say they are trying to save him but to me it looks like they are trying to kidnap him against his will but boy is Yuru unique for a Summoner protagonist he is really resourceful he is definitely not a protagonist in distress that's for sure
ワイ「妹だと思った女にマジで包丁振りかざすとか草」
アサの印象がマジでクソすぎるンゴwww
助けるって言ってるけど強制拉致やんこれ
でもユルは主人公の中でかなり異色やな
頭キレるし、ただの助けられるだけの主人公じゃないのがガチで良いわ2ちゃん+59
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
Anyone would make a terrible first impression by showing up to one's village, annihilating almost everyone in it, then killing the sister you've always known to have... Before introducing themselves as your REAL sister.
Obviously, we don't know yet Asa's side of the story on why she's working with these people/clan nor why she would go that far as to massacre those villagers (as form of revenge) instead of just extracting her brother, which seemed to be their group's priority anyway. So yeah, I'm reserving judgment until then, but I don't feel like their intentions are evil, self-serving or to exploit the twins' powers or anything of the sort. (I could be wrong ofc, but we'll see)
村に現れてほぼ全員を殲滅し、今まで一緒に育ってきた妹を殺した挙句「実は俺が本当の妹だ」って名乗られたら、誰でも最悪な第一印象になるよな。
もちろん、アサがなぜあの連中と組んでるのか、村人を虐殺するまでに至った理由(復讐?)はまだわからない。本来の目的は弟を連れ戻すだけのはずなのに。だから判断は保留してるけど、彼らの意図が悪意や自己中心的だったり、双子の力を利用しようとしてるようには見えないんだよな(もちろん間違ってる可能性もあるけど、まあ見守ろう)。普通くん+58
Background_Formal940
Of course they would and her saying she going to kill everyone to him didn't help
それな!まじで最悪の第一印象すぎるじゃん?しかも「全員殺す」とか言っちゃうし、やばくね?笑ギャル+18
Hartzilla2007
Its why I think regardless of their motives it was a dumb idea. It just gives a big reason for Yuru to not trust them and want to kick their asses.
確かにどんな理由があってもあれは愚策だよね。ユルに完全に信用失って敵に回すだけの行動だと思うわ。普通くん+15
BosuW
There's a lot of moving parts though so while Asa may just want Yuru and to fuck the village for personal reasons, who she works for may want the power.
せやな、Asaは単にユルと村をぶっ壊したいだけかもしれんけど、雇い主が力を欲しがってる可能性もあるしな。複雑やわ。2ちゃん+8
KillysgungoesBLAME
Brutally slaughtering his friends and neighbors in front of Yuru definitely doesn’t seem at this juncture in the story to have been the best of actions to endear him to his real sister.
Gabby’s actions in the village felt especially grievous to me since she seemed to take some sadistic pleasure in cutting people in half with her daemon.
ユル(ユリ?)の目の前で仲間や隣人を虐殺したのは、現時点では実の妹に好かれるための最善の行動じゃなかったってのは確かにそうだな。
ギャビーの村での行動は特にキツかったわ。悪魔で人を真っ二つに切るのをサディスティックに楽しんでるように見えたし。普通くん+17
namewithak
Literally decapitated that little girl's mom in front of her. Most of the village didn't even seem capable of fighting back. Unless the villagers turn out to be some kind of town full of evil doll people who don't have real feelings and aren't actually alive, I'm not sure how Gabby and her group can possibly be anything but villains no matter what their actual intentions are.
確かに、幼い娘の目の前で母親の首をはねる描写は、現時点ではガビィたちを完全に悪役として位置づけていると言わざるを得ない。村人が戦う力すら持っていないという点を考慮すると、たとえ彼女たちに何か正当な目的があったとしても、この行為を覆すのは難しい。ただし、もし村人が実は感情のない人形のような存在だった、という後付けの設定が明かされれば、また違った解釈も可能になるかもしれない。考察くん+19
Accipiter1138
Yeah, I'm still hung up on that. They went about it in such a blatantly evil way, that even *if* the village was full of cultists, I don't think I'll ever be happy with any scene Gabby is in unless she's getting punched in the face.
それな。あのシーンは今でも引っかかってるよ。あんな露骨に悪辣なやり方だったから、たとえ村がカルト信者ばかりだったとしても、ギャビーが顔面パンチされない限り、彼女が出るシーンは絶対に納得できないと思う。普通くん+15
Background_Formal940
Well since Gabby went gobble gobble before killing them I think she's worst then a sadist she actually treated killing like it was some game
Gabbyが殺す前に「ゴブゴブ」って鳴いてたのマジ草
あれただのサディストちゃうやん、殺人をゲーム感覚で楽しんでるやん
ワイはこっちの方がよっぽどヤバイと思うンゴwww2ちゃん+13
Eunuchest
原文
Its really enjoyable seeing Yuru's reaction to everyday things we usually take for granted. I really want to see him explore more of the modern world
I cant remember but was Edward from FMA also a poor artist? Cause if so that was actually a funny reference
Dera and Hana being more worried about medical bills lol
Migi and Hidari can take bullets, shotgun pellets and grenade but not a thrown stone. Migi getting bodied by the rabbit was funny too.
ユルの普通のことに驚く反応がすごく楽しいんだよね。もっと現代社会を探検してほしいな
鋼の錬金術師のエドも絵が下手だったっけ?もしそうなら面白いオマージュだな
デラとハナが医療費を心配してるの笑ったわw
ミギとヒダリ、銃弾やショットガン、グレネードは防げるのに投げられた石には弱いんだな。ミギがウサギにやられたのも面白かった普通くん+57
L0CZEK
Not a bard artist, but it was a running joke in the series that he had the taste of the edgiest teenager in Amestris.
せやな、ユルの日常のリアクションが新鮮すぎて草www
「エッジィすぎる中二病の味覚」ってネタ、ほんまワロてもうたわwww2ちゃん+44
Cyd_arts
Not a bad artist but he made everything edgy and gothic lol
確かにユルのリアクションは新鮮でいいよね。作者は悪くないけど、全部エッジィでゴシックにしちゃうのが笑えるわ。普通くん+31
Peleg_Amir
Ed was probably a great artist considering the intricate designs of his alchemy creations.
確かに!エドの錬金術のデザイン細かすぎて、あれだけで天才すぎるッ!感情くん+24
nirvash530
>I cant remember but was Edward from FMA also a poor artist?
No, it's just his style is **SUPER** edgy. He likes dragons, flames, spikes, skulls, metal, black, etc. He cannot draw or create something that looks normal even if his life depended on it.
確かにユルの反応は新鮮で面白いよね。
FMAのエドも絵が下手だったっけ?って話だけど、違うんだよな。あれは単に作風が**超**尖りすぎてるだけ。ドラゴン、炎、トゲ、ドクロ、メタル、黒とかそういうの好きすぎて、命がけでも普通の絵が描けないって感じ。普通くん+21
Medical-Efficiency-6
IIRC when they were looking for Shao May, Ed drew a very angry looking cat while Al drew her accurately
うわ、それな!エドの激怒猫イラスト、めっちゃ笑ったw アルが正確に描いてるのと対比が良すぎるッ!感情くん+6
diacewrb
Anyone else wondering if their pet cat or dog has been a daemon this whole time?
うちの猫とか犬、実は最初からデーモンだったんじゃないかって思う人いる?普通くん+58
eldragon_1
Depends. Do you have two?
せやな。2匹おるかどうかやろなwww2ちゃん+65
PowerlinxJetfire
Depends, can yours use a smartphone?
それな。うちの猫、スマホ使えるかどうかだなw普通くん+34
divineshadow666
I guess the real tell is if other people can see them. If you're walking your dog and only you seem to see it, then you probably have a daemon.
それな!普通のペットかと思ったら実は悪魔だったとかエモすぎるッ!でも他の人に見えるかどうかが鍵ってマジで納得。もし誰にも見えてなかったら完全に黄泉のツガイ状態じゃん…しんどい!感情くん+18
BosuW
All cats are daemons by default
確かに、猫はデフォルトでツガイだよね。普通くん+13
TheBusStop12
Anyone who has cared for cats doesn't wonder, they know
猫飼ってる奴は「もしかして?」じゃなくて「確信」してるンゴwww2ちゃん+6
FarCritical
Got a feeling I'm gonna fall for an embarrassing amount of anglerfish baits myself down a line.
Can't get enough of how Yuru's natural synergy with his daemons runs deep enough for pop quizzes on modern world etiquette to work as tactical signals. Doubles as a flex for officially being latrine-certified too.
なんか自分も釣り針に結構な数引っかかりそうな気がするわ。
ユルの悪魔たちとの自然な連携が深くて、現代のマナーに関する抜き打ちテストが戦術的な合図になるのが面白すぎる。しかも正式にトイレ認定されてるっていう自慢にもなってるしな。普通くん+57
ebonyphoenix
原文
Of course the daemon with no hands is the best at drawing.
It may be a daemon but still seeing a cat using a smartphone is both funny and adorable.
Right and Left just no selling all those bullets is just perfect.
Yuru in hunting mode is really cool. And I always appreciate having a smart protagonists that can keep their emotions in check. Like you could tell he’s still upset about the attack on the village. But he also understands that killing Jin out of revenge wouldn’t really help anything.
手がない悪魔が一番絵上手いって草www
悪魔だけど猫がスマホ使ってるのめっちゃ可愛いンゴwww
左右で弾丸無効化は完璧すぎやろ
狩猟モードのユルはガチでカッコいい。主人公が冷静で頭いいの好きやわ。村襲われて怒ってるの分かるけど、復讐でジン殺しても意味ないって理解してるのがな。2ちゃん+52
oneevilchicken
原文
I can imagine this is about how it would have been like having to sit through full metal alchemist brotherhood weekly. It’s kinda a hard show to have to wait week after week to watch and can’t binge it.
Still feels like it’s gonna be hard to sell asa’s side being good or even remotely not bad given what they did. They still feel pretty heavily like the bad guys.
Was really hoping he’d take out the Jin guy. I do kinda want to see some actual consequences happen in this show
この展開、鋼の錬金術師を週刊で見てた感覚に近いんじゃないかな。毎週待つのがキツくて一気見できないタイプの作品だよね。
アサ側を善とか「まあ悪くない」って描くのは難しい気がする。やっぱり悪役感が強いままだし。
ジンを倒してほしかったな。この作品でちゃんとした代償とか結果を見たいんだよね。普通くん+48
tripleaamin
原文
>I can imagine this is about how it would have been like having to sit through full metal alchemist brotherhood weekly. It’s kinda a hard show to have to wait week after week to watch and can’t binge it.
Kind of. But Brotherhood's pacing was a bit faster than ideal at times, partially because the OG version of the anime was airing 5 years or so before Brotherhood started.
Also, this type of shounen story is more slow-paced than a lot of the modern shounens like JJK and CSM. In a way it's refreshing.
せやな。でもブラザーフッドはテンポ速すぎるとこあったしな、オリジナル版が5年前くらいにやってたのも影響してるンゴ。
それに、こういう系の少年漫画は最近の呪術とかチェンソーより展開ゆっくりめやろ。逆にそれが新鮮でええわ。2ちゃん+27
maxdragonxiii
Brotherhood also have the advantage of being able to skip over the slower parts due to the earlier anime, but I dont like the early parts of Brotherhood for this reason if someone didnt watch '08 first. the later parts post '08 split was fine.
確かにそれはあるね。Brotherhoodは前のアニメがあったおかげでスローな部分を飛ばせたのは強みだけど、もし'08を先に見てなかったら序盤は結構きついと思う。'08分割後の後半は良かったけどな。普通くん+13
oneevilchicken
Oh I’m loving the slow pacing. It just is hard to wait each week which is always a good thing imo.
I generally really dislike most shounen shit so stuff like this where they’re injecting more plot into it is so much better to me.
確かに待つのが辛いのは良い作品の証拠だよな。この緩やかなペース配分はむしろ計算された構成だと思う。最近の少年漫画にありがちなテンポ重視の展開より、プロットを丁寧に積み上げていくスタイルの方が個人的には好感が持てる。考察くん+8
Cook-Miserable
We've always said that cats take over the Internet, and Hiromu Arakawa took that literally 😂
草、猫がネット乗っ取るってよく言うけど、荒川弘はそれをガチで描きやがった😂2ちゃん+39
PerfectBeige
My money is on Kotetsu being a Reddit mod. They have that look about them.
確かにコテツはRedditのMODっぽい雰囲気あるよね。あの目つきがまさにそれだわ。普通くん+19
runevault
原文
Master and Daemons are both idiots and I love that for them.
I did find it interesting the rabbit seemed to be doing well against one of them when these two are supposed to be some of the more powerful daemons around. The turtle caught her by surprise so that one makes more sense with the way it constantly applies gravity to pin her down. The rabbit had to keep attacking.
One thing I found interesting, I was wondering if Yuru was going to find his power of Seal since Asa already has Break unlocked. But seems we have to wait longer for that to happen.
マスターとデーモン、どっちもアホで草。そこが最高やわ。
ウサギが結構善戦してたの気になったわ。この2体、結構強いデーモンのはずやのに。カメの方は重力で押さえつけてたから不意打ち決まった感じやけど、ウサギは攻撃し続けなあかんかったんやろな。
ユルが封印の力覚醒するか気になってたけど、アサは既にBreak使えるしな。まだまだ先っぽいンゴねぇ。2ちゃん+31
pmmeyourfannie
It didn’t seem like the rabbit was actually doing anything. Just a really annoying distraction that was unable to hurt him
うさぎ、実際は何もしてなかったみたいだね。ただめっちゃウザい邪魔してただけで、彼にダメージ与えられなかった感じ。普通くん+20
extralie
I mean, it wasn't really doing damage, but it was pretty much ragdolling him around.
確かに直接的なダメージはなかったけど、あれで完全に動き封じられてたしな。ウサギが相手を翻弄しまくってたのがヤバすぎるッ!感情くん+30
pmmeyourfannie
Yeah hard to say if he was actually on the defensive or just surprised to encounter such a weird little furrball. I suspect a few random swings and he would swat it to the ground.
確かにね!あの子が本気で防御してたのか、ただ単に変な毛玉に遭遇してビビってただけなのかはわかんないじゃん?笑 適当に数回振り回せば地面に叩き落とせそうだけどな〜!ギャル+9
DragonPup
Maybe I have trust issues with the author of FMA, but my crackpot theory is that devilfish daemon is going to kill Hana half way in by making itself appear to be Jason Statham.
FMAの作者を信頼できないのかもしれないけど、俺のクソ理論だと悪魔魚の悪魔がジェイソン・ステイサムに化けてハナを途中で殺すんだと思う。普通くん+32
mr_incredible118
I just hope he doesnt fuse her with her dog...
まじでそれな!でも作者が鋼の錬金術師の人だし、なんかやらかしそうで怖くね?笑ギャル+21
DragonPup
Oh shit....
あっ、やべぇ……普通くん+8
EliseVoices
BRO
草
マジでそれなwww
犬と融合だけはマジでやめてほしいンゴ2ちゃん+6
EliseVoices
NOOOOOOOO! 😭
やめてくれよ…!😭普通くん+5
DragonPup
'If I had a nickel for every beloved character Arakawa killed with a shapeshifter imitating a loved one, I'd have two nickels. Which is not a lot but I hate that it happened twice.' -Something I hope I won't be saying in a month or two.
荒川作品で「愛する人の姿をした変身者に人気キャラが殺される展開」が2回も起きてるのは確かに洒落にならない。1回目は衝撃だったけど、2回目で「これは意図的なパターン化だ」と気付かされた。伏線として、変身能力者の存在が物語の根幹に関わる可能性が高い。今後1〜2ヶ月で3回目が来ないことを願うばかりだ。考察くん+6
LeonKevlar
原文
###Stitches!
* Hana
* Hidari
I do like how Asa's group doesn't seem to be like bad guys at all. If anything, that scene made me actually like them, especially when Jin was asking how to identify Yuru and Gabby's Daemon had the best art skills. I also love how Asa was very biased on how her brother looks. Still, it's difficult to trust a group of people who ruthlessly killed a bunch of villagers armed with only farming tools. They might not exactly be evil, but they're clearly not the good guys either.
Well, that was quick! I didn't think Yuru would encounter Kagemori this episode. It is nice to see Yuru take initiative, instead of just waiting around with Dera and Hana, even if it did get him captured immediately. And it's not like our boy is dumb, he got himself out of that and even turned the tables on Kagemori. I love that when Kagemori remembered Hana telling him that Yuru has the mind of a hunter, it was already too late for him.
Not gonna lie, I wasn't sure if Yuru was gonna keep his cool when Kagemori admitted he ordered the attack on the village. I was kinda expecting that scene with him getting his throat slit, but thankfully, Yuru remained level-headed and used the upper hand to negotiate. Welp, I guess we'll see Yuru interacting with the opposite camp next episode.
###ステッチ!
* ハナ
* ヒダリ
アサのチーム、全然悪者っぽくなくていいよね。あのシーンでむしろ好きになったわ。特にジンがユルの見分け方聞いてたとことか、ギャビーのデーモンの画力が凄かったところ。アサが兄貴の見た目にめっちゃ偏見持ってるのも笑えた。でも、農具しか持ってない村人を容赦なく殺した連中を信用するのは難しいな。悪人ってわけじゃないけど、善人でもないのは明らか。
おっ、早かったな!まさか今週ユルが影森と遭遇するとは思わなかった。デラやハナと待ってるだけじゃなくて、ユルが自ら動いたのは良かったよ。捕まったけどさ。でも主人公もバカじゃなくて、脱出して形勢逆転。影森がハナから「ユルは猟師の思考を持つ」って聞いたのを思い出した時にはもう遅かったんだな。
正直、影森が村襲撃を認めた時、ユルが冷静でいるか不安だった。喉切られるシーン来るかと思ったけど、ありがたいことにユルは落ち着いて交渉に持ち込んだ。よし、次回はユルが敵陣営と交流するのを見れそうだ。普通くん+29
Shadowmist909
Asa talking to Gabby or talking about Yuru compared to other topics is very gap moe. Very born to be in a slice of life forced to battle shonen of her!
アサがガビィと話してるときとかユルについて語るとき、他の話題とギャップありすぎて萌えるンゴwww
明らかに日常系に生まれたのに無理やりバトル少年にされた感がガチで草2ちゃん+26
Magnafeana
原文
* Yuru is such an adorable bean.
* White Hayate!
>Right to Jirou: My man 😁👊
Fucking cackling. I love Right and his EN VA Bill Butts.
* Those are daemons?!
* Now see, I like this. The little thing about the surnames = royalty, I like Yuru’s confusion. It makes me curious which countries don’t have surnames in their naming conventions and how this works when you immigrate or visit other countries.
* is that a Switch 😭
* I hope buy an official chatterbox(?) of Gabriel
* ***Oh my fucking god***. Why?! Why do people hate fucking facial hair?! Like Dera’s still a MILF (Man I’d Like to Fuck), but he was a DILF with that beard and you took that away from me 😭
* 📢Men, stop shaving your beards withour your spouse’s permission! You need documentation that has been notarized in order to shave📢
I’m crying, look what they did to Daddy, he was a wolf and now he a twunk, this is ***so*** unfair.
I went from ✨I want this man to make me a 𝓂ℴ𝓉𝒽ℯ𝓊𝓇✨ to “I want to be in a long term, long distance, low commitment casual girlfriend with this man”, what a downgrade 🤧
* Wait, wait. Show more of Dera’s biceps…
* Ma’am, Yuru isn’t even vaccinated. Please get him vaccinated.
* Kotetsu’s toe beans are so fucking adorable
* I want to air hug Arakawa and tell her in my middle school Japanese that she has my loyalty for all these muscles. What a fucking muscle show, YES GODDD
* Why this bald man have such pretty lashes? Okay sir I see you. Look at that little cuntyness, hey diva
* I’m living. Right whining like that is 😮💨
***
I really enjoy Yuru as a protagonist main character. His adaptiveness and intellect are admirable for some who has basically been zapped into the 21st century. Again: Ichi 🤝 Dera.
I think I’m now realizing there are a *lot* of male protagonists who grew up in more traditional, rural villages, were hunters, and destiny had them go into the modern-day for some reason. I don’t think I’ve seen too many female protagonists like this.
I am in mourning we lost another bearded baddie daddy. I grieved over Knuckleduster. I nearly fell apart at Veor (but his beard has returned, hallelu). But Dera? You betray me and Hana like this? Maybe if you take off your shirt and flex your muscles, I will feel better, but the beard could’ve stayed 🥀
*Uggghhhaaqwwwaaaa* he still looks FWB fine, but he looked crazy ***stupid*** foine as in “Your daughter calls you father but she calls me daddy” with that facial hair 😩
Arakawa, girl, I was rooting for you.
Well. At least we have muscles galore, so I’ll take that.
Asa sounds so adorable in the preview. But I’m still lowkey concerned about her little demonic double back in the village.
* ユルが可愛すぎて豆みたいなんだが
* ホワイトハヤテ!
>ジローに向かって:俺の男 😁👊
笑いが止まらん。ライトと英語吹替のビル・バッツが大好きだわ。
* あれ悪魔なの?!
* これ好きだわ。名字=王族って設定、ユルの困惑がいいね。名字のない国の命名規則ってどんな感じなんだろう、移民とか旅行の時どうなるのか気になる。
* それSwitchじゃん😭
* ガブリエルの公式おしゃべり人形買いたい
* **マジかよ**。なんで髭嫌うんだよ!デラはまだMILF(抱きたい男)だけど、髭があるとDILFだったのにそれを奪いやがった😭
* 📢男性諸君、配偶者の許可なく髭を剃るな!剃るには公証された書類が必要だ📢
泣けるわ。パパに何したんだよ、狼だったのに今やツンク(細マッチョ)になってる、これは**マジで**不公平。
「この人に母親にしてもらいたい✨」から「この人と長期低コミット遠距離カジュアル彼女になりたい」に変わったわ、改悪すぎる🤧
* ちょっと待って。デラの上腕二頭筋をもっと見せて…
* お嬢さん、ユルはまだワクチン打ってないですよ。打たせてください。
* コテツの肉球がめっちゃ可愛い
* 荒川先生にエアハグして、中学レベルの日本語で「この筋肉に忠誠を誓います普通くん+22
EliseVoices
Why, Dera!? Why!? 😭💔
草、デラぁ!? なんでやねん!? 😭💔2ちゃん+10
navanibestkholin
I don't know about other parts of the world, but a lot of european countries, people didn't have last names for non aristocrats pre Napoleon (18th to 19th century), which is relatively recent. The reason the common folk were eventually made to adapt them was for easier record keeping
ユルは本当に可愛いな。白いハヤテのデザインも良い。
>ライトからジロウへの「よくやった」の流れ、めっちゃ笑った。
で、名字の話だけど、欧州ではナポレオン以前(18〜19世紀)まで貴族以外に名字がなかったのは割と最近の話なんだよな。庶民に名字が義務化されたのは、記録管理を容易にするためだったという考察ができる。この作品の世界観にも通じる要素かもしれない。考察くん+5
Certain-Emu-7950
JHON RABIT IS BACK BABE!!!
草!ジョン・ラビット帰ってきたンゴwww2ちゃん+23
thisisdropd
原文
What finally sparked Hana & Dera into rushing for Yuru was the fact that he's not covered by health insurance lmao. Yuru's also got no licence for the weapons so he's in double the trouble. Looks like the poor bloke's got a steep learning curve in this modern world.
Yuru and his Daemons also had unusual dynamics. While Left & Right were fully loyal to him, he had quite the laissez-faire approach to them. They're free to order him around and had freedom to launch their own moves, knowing it's for his own good. Pretty funny how Jin's men were perplexed at the role reversal.
ハナとデラがユルを急いで助けに行ったきっかけが「保険証がないから」ってのが笑えるなwww 武器の免許もないから二重にヤバいし。現代社会で生きていくには学ぶこと多そうで大変そうだな。
ユルと眷属の関係も変わってたな。左右は完全に忠誠を誓ってるけど、ユルの方は結構放任主義でさ。眷属に指図されるのもOKだし、自分の判断で動く自由も与えてる。それが本人のためになるって分かってるからな。ジンの部下たちが役割逆転に困惑してたの、めっちゃウケたわ。普通くん+21
MonsterKiller112
原文
Yuru has grown on me a lot. Definitely one of the most competent protagonists in recent memory. Dude is smart and level headed. He can make mistakes but learns from them and improves upon them. His Daemons , Left and Right and strong but not unbeatable. A competent protagonist is always a delight to watch. Can't wait for some more lore to drop next episode as it seems like we are finally meeting Asa again. Love how this show feels so full of lore and world building. Most modern action anime have stopped doing lore in favour of more fights. This feels like a classic shonen with a world with tons of lore to it.
ユルは徐々に評価が上がってきたな。近年の主人公の中でも特に有能な部類に入ると思う。頭の回転が速くて冷静沈着。ミスはするけど、そこから学んで改善していく姿勢が良い。左右の使い魔も強力だが無敵ではない。有能な主人公は見ていて本当に気持ちがいい。次回でようやくアサと再会するようだし、更なる設定の掘り下げが楽しみだ。この作品の情報量と世界観構築の濃さが本当に好き。最近のアクションアニメは設定を削って戦闘に特化する傾向があるけど、これは古典的な少年漫画のように豊かな世界観を感じさせる。考察くん+21
finnjakefionnacake
i really am like...what anime are you guys watching where every mc is dumb lol. most anime i watch, the protagonists are flawed, but relatively intelligent human beings.
確かに。どのアニメ見てるんだって感じだよね。俺が見てる作品の主人公たちも大概は欠点はあるけど、人間的に賢いキャラが多いと思う。普通くん+6
AAA_BATT
i love our trio so much!
and i'm so pleased that Yuru isn't being carried by Left and Right and is pulling his own weight
やばっ!この3人組まじで大好きなんだけど!!
てかユルが左右に頼りっぱなしじゃなくて自分で戦えてるの嬉しすぎる〜!!ギャル+17
tripleaamin
原文
Lots of comedy of Yuru being amazed with the outside world. An interesting one is how in the world of Daemons, where Daemons are supposed to follow orders and protect their master. For Yuru he doesn't follow conventional thinking.
He can even hold his own in combat, as we can see in this episode. Lots of versatility for Yuru in combat with his daemons.
Interesting daemons showcased in this episode. For Jin, it seems one can consume things and the other can store. We see the classic Tortoise and the Hare. The former can really weigh down on someone, and the latter's quickness is truly a challenge.
ユルの外の世界に驚くコメディが多かったね。悪魔の世界では普通、悪魔は命令に従って主人を守るものだけど、ユルは固定観念にとらわれないのが面白い。
今回のエピソードで見れた通り、彼は戦闘でも十分やっていけるし、悪魔を使った戦い方も多彩だよ。
今回登場した悪魔たちも興味深かった。ジンの場合、片方は物を消費できて、もう片方は収納できるみたい。そしておなじみのウサギとカメ。前者は相手を重くして動きを封じ、後者の素早さは確かに手ごわいね。普通くん+17
115_zombie_slayer
原文
Yuru is such a fun characters i like protagonist that realize the situation theyre in. Like generic protagonist would beg the daemon not to kill or rely on others but no Yuru is already a hunter so he knows how to fight and doesnt hesitate to use lethal force. Heck he doesnt even rely on Left and Right to fight.
And just for clarification Daemons dont work in “Stand” rules right? Like only other Stands can hurt Stands from JJBA im assuming humans can fight Daemons with guns but Left and Right are just built different
ユルは本当に面白いキャラだな。主人公が自分の置かれた状況を理解しているのが良い。普通の主人公なら悪魔に「殺さないで」と懇願したり他人に頼ったりするけど、ユルはもうハンターだから戦い方を知っていて、迷わず致命傷を与える手段を使う。しかも左右に頼らずに戦ってるのがすごい。
それと確認したいんだけど、悪魔は「スタンド」のルールとは違うんだよな?ジョジョのスタンドはスタンドでしか傷つけられないが、この世界では人間が銃で悪魔と戦えると推測できる。ただ左右は別格ってことか。考察くん+17
Ill_Act_1855
原文
Yeah, guns and stuff can hurt Daemons (hence why the Kagemori were surprised Right and Left could shrug it off so easily), but some demons have really strong defenses like Left and Right and Gabriel. But like you could presumably hurt Left and Right with armor piercing bullets or something higher caliber like that that could penetrate stone, and the stone lantern that hurt them a bit was technically mundane even if it was spat out by a daemon’s powers
確かに、銃とかはデーモンに効くんだよね(だから左右が平気で受け流すのに影守が驚いてたわけで)。でも左右とかガブリエルみたいに防御がめちゃ硬い奴もいる。ただ、装甲貫通弾とか石を貫通できる大口径なら左右にもダメージ与えられるかもな。石灯籠が効いたのは、デーモンの能力で吐き出されたとはいえ、物理的に普通の石だったからってことか。普通くん+17
Krantek
Greatly love the payoff for Yuru learning basic toilet manners haha
やばっ!ユルがトイレのマナー覚えたのまじで最高じゃん笑ギャル+18
AceSoldia
Man it's so good .this is Ken fo two show so watch right away and look forward to the most
It's so hard to tell who is good or bad..I guess it's no one ..just everyone with their different motives.
Yuru disappointed me only slightly running into the fray like that but he kept his cool after and would have straight destroyed that guys legs
🤣.
Good shit.
草マジで面白かったわ
ケンちゃんの二本立てって感じですぐ見たけど期待通りやったンゴwww
誰が善人か悪人かマジで分からん…誰もいないんかもな それぞれに事情があるって感じやな
ユルがちょっとだけガッカリやったわ あんな飛び込んでくけどその後は冷静で、あの男の足ぶっ壊すとこだったしな🤣
最高やんけ2ちゃん+17
SciFiXhi
Might have just been an error, but I think meeting with Jirou and Kotetsu gave us our first unambiguous smile from Left.
Was not expecting the ukiyo-e portraiture from Gabriel, but that's some fantastic brushwork right there.
誤植だったかもだけど、ジロウとコウテツに会ったときのレフトの笑顔、初めて明確に笑ったシーンだったんじゃないかな。
ガブリエルの浮世絵風ポートレートは予想外だったけど、あの筆遣いは最高だったね。普通くん+15
MannyOmega
Yuru’s a really competent proactive protag despite not knowing much about the world yet, definitely the highlight so far
ユル、まだ世界のこと全然知らないのにめっちゃ有能な主人公すぎるッ!現時点でのハイライトは間違いなくコイツだわ感情くん+16
pi8you
原文
Lots of fun daemon stuff this week, I like the indirect tell that Hana's are OLD daemons, both with the immediate respect from Left and Right and mention that they've adapted over the generations (also she owns a whole mountain for reasons?).
We also love our feral protagonist (see also: Ichi), who might be lacking in civilized knowledge, but is extremely quick on the uptake, a keen observer (noticing the smoke signaler...), and a lethal hunter. The boy makes the classic mistake of rushing in as soon as he gets a clue, but still manages to flip the tables on the trap rather than having to slink away, thanks to his new, uh, rock-solid partners.
(Manga reader, adaptation's continuing to be great)
今週も悪魔的な要素が多くて楽しかったな。ハナの悪魔たちが古いタイプって間接的に示されてるのがいいよね、左右から即座に敬意を払われてるし、世代を超えて適応してきたって話も(あと彼女が山を丸ごと所有してる理由も気になるけど)。
野生児の主人公(一条もそうだけど)も最高だよね。常識には欠けてるけど、察しがめちゃくちゃ良くて、観察力も鋭い(煙で合図してる奴に気づくとか…)。狩人としても危険だし。手がかり掴んだらすぐ飛び込むっていう古典的なミスは犯したけど、新しい相棒たちのおかげで逃げ出すどころか逆に罠を返せたんだよな。
(原作勢だけど、アニメ化も引き続き素晴らしい)普通くん+14
JJVM99
原文
Kotetsu and Jiro were the highlight’s for me. The respect Left and Right showed towards them, Jiro pawing through the phone to use the GPS and them forcing Yuru to show respect were all hilarious.
The episode overall had a ton of adorable daemons (like the rabbit as well) and had the Daemons doing things to make them adorable or more likable. Gabriel the mouth monster was a prime example of the latter. Having the horrifying mouth monster who ate a woman’s head off infront of her daughter also be an incredible artist is an easy way for people to make him more endearing.
小鉄とジロウは今回のハイライトだったな。左と右が彼らに対して示した敬意、ジロウがスマホを必死に操作してGPSを使おうとする様子、そしてユルに敬意を強要するシーンは全てが笑えた。
エピソード全体としては兎のような可愛らしい悪魔が多数登場し、悪魔たちが愛らしさや好感度を上げる行動を取っていた。ガブリエル(口の怪物)は後者の好例で、娘の目の前で女性の首を食いちぎる恐ろしい怪物でありながら、驚異的な芸術家でもあるという設定は、彼を親しみやすくするための巧妙な手段だと思われる。考察くん+15
Shimmering-Sky
原文
- Tatami is serious business.
- Cute way of those Daemons greeting each other.
- Oh yeah, that’s not something that the people in Yuru’s village would have.
- Gabby’s a Nintendo Switch gamer? Wonder what games she plays.
- I’m not sure which one I like the most, lol.
- Shimmering sky!
- …Yuru took the machete, then?
- Oh, he’s locking *straight* in on “Find where the so-called Asa is”.
- And there she is…?
- Oh no, it was a trick.
- Oh, lol.
- Right and Left don’t mind Yuru being a hostage, hah.
- Ah, they’re the type to completely shrug off bullets, cool.
- Right’s getting his butt kicked by a rabbit.
- Oh, and Left’s weighed down by a turtle. Are they a Daemon pair based after The Tortoise and the Hare story?
- Good way to communicate turning out the lights.
- Would you look at that, Yuru turned the hostage tables after all.
- Yuru once again shows a *remarkable* amount of restraint by not slicing Jin’s neck open after he admits to being behind the attack and just asking him to bring Asa there.
- 畳はガチやな
- 悪魔同士の挨拶が可愛いやん
- ああ、ユルの村にはあんなもんねえわな
- ギャビーってNintendo Switch勢なん?何のゲームやってるんやろ
- どれが一番好きか決められへんわ、草
- 空がキラキラしてる!
- ユル、マチェット持ってったんか…
- 「アサってやつがどこにいるか探せ」ってマジで一直線やん
- で、本人登場…?
- やべ、罠やった
- あっはっは
- 右と左、ユルが人質でも気にせんのな、はは
- ああ、弾丸全然効かんタイプか、かっこいい
- 右がウサギにボコられとる
- で、左は亀に押し潰されとる。ウサギとカメの話の悪魔ペアか?
- 消灯の伝え方としてはグッド
- 見ろよ、ユルが結局人質の立場逆転させたぞ
- ユル、またもや自制心がガチでヤバい。攻撃の黒幕認めたジンの首を切らずに、アサ連れてこいって言うだけって2ちゃん+12
Raiking02
> Wonder what games she plays.
After much scientific expermienting, me and [Bakadots](/u/KendotsX) have confirmed she's very likely an RE fan who's really sad she can't play as the monsters.
確かに気になるな。
科学的実験の結果、彼女は多分バイオハザードのファンで、モンスターとしてプレイできないのをすごく残念がってるって確認されたらしい。普通くん+7
Shimmering-Sky
That would check out.
せやな、それで間違いないやろwww2ちゃん+5
CrimsonGear80
the monty python rabbit was reborn into another world after the holy hand grenade killed it.
やばくね!?モンティパイソンのウサギ、聖なる手榴弾で死んだ後に異世界転生したってマジで草wwwギャル+12
Embarrassed-Match-78
Lol, Hana and Dera freaking over medical expenses. Way to relatable.
Also Gabriel's artistry.
Anyone find the old man a little too nice?
Definitely some serious shades of gray going on.
わかるッ!ハナとデラが医療費で大騒ぎしてるの、めっちゃ共感できるw
あとガブリエルの芸術センスもエモすぎる!
あのじいさん、ちょっと良すぎないか?絶対裏あるだろ…
完全にグレーゾーンな展開きててしんどいッ感情くん+11
runevault
Either he's faking it or he's the nice guy of the organization who deals with Asa to keep her happy. Curious to see which.
それな!あのじいさん、演技してるのか、それとも組織の中でアーサを機嫌よくさせるためのいい人ポジションなのか気になるじゃん!どっちなんだろ〜ギャル+11
GrimMind
原文
The top two shows of last season have the typical mid-fight exposition dump syndrome, one of them might be the worst offender of this. Yomi, on the other hand, had most of the exposition needed for this episode's fight in the previous episodes; leaving characters free to say what they would logically say instead of explaining their powers.
Then, whatever wasn't explained, was either set up (bathroom light) or visually communicated (tortoise and hare).
Yomi is not trying to be unique, revolutionary or marketable. It's just a Shounen story by an author that does not compromise in quality storytelling.
###Today's Vocabulary
画力: Garyoku: drawing skill
前シーズントップ2のアニメはどちらも典型的な「中盤の能力説明ダラダラ症候群」にかかってたけど、黄泉のツガイは違ったね。今週のバトルに必要な説明は前の話で済ませてて、キャラが自然に喋れるようになってた。
説明されなかった部分も、伏線(トイレの電気)とか視覚表現(ウサギとカメ)で補完されてたし。
黄泉のツガイは特別なものを目指してるわけじゃないけど、作者が質の高いストーリーテリングを妥協してないんだよね。画力もさすがだわ。普通くん+9
PerfectBeige
>画力: Garyoku: drawing skill
Always so satisfying when the kanji make perfect sense.
それな!漢字の意味がピッタリハマるとまじで気持ちいいじゃん!笑ギャル+5
AnagramRomance
I struggle with the fsct that the subs are just subtitles for the dub and not subtitles for the japanese speech.
吹替用の字幕で、日本語音声と合ってないのが気になるな。普通くん+8
DumplingIsNice
Some authentic writing that doesn't just hand-wave away the differences Yuru has to learn about the modern world. The metal horse is still a metal horse, and smoke signal is still smoke signal. Most importantly, what many don't think about: HEALTH INSURANCE.
なるほど、これは非常にリアリティのある脚本だな。ユルの現代社会への適応過程を安易にごまかさず、「鉄の馬は鉄の馬」「狼煙は狼煙」という彼女の認識のズレを丁寧に描いている。特に多くの人が見落としがちな「保険証」の問題を盛り込んだのは、制作陣の世界観構築へのこだわりを感じる。この細かいリアリティが作品の深みを増しているという考察ができる。考察くん+9
Gray447
Has anyone seen episode 4? I can’t find it anywhere
エピソード4見た人いる?どこにも見つからないんだけど普通くん+8
NanDemoKnaives
It comes out earlier on Netflix compared to Crunchyroll.
え、マジで!?NetflixのほうがCrunchyrollより早く配信されてるっぽいよ!確認してみて〜!ギャル+10
Magnafeana
It dropped on Crunchyroll a few minutes ago!
u/Tempest_2004, just in case you need this
草マジか!ついさっきCrunchyrollに落ちとったンゴwww
u/Tempest_2004、これいるやろ?2ちゃん+6
Tempest_2004
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😊))
ありがとうマジでありがとーーーー!!!!!😊ギャル+6
Tempest_2004
me neither. its not on crunchyroll even though it usually would have dropped already
俺もだよ。クランチロールにもまだないし、普通ならもう配信されてるはずなんだけどな。普通くん+5
djthomp
原文
Interesting that it always seems to be a pair of daemons per master. Hidari and Migi, Hana's cat and dog, the two different fish for Jin, the tortoise and the hare for that other guy, the two different jaws for Gabby. The only one so far where I don't think we've seen the second daemon is fake Asa back at the village, but that just might be a question of runtime featuring her and her possible partner.
It's really fun how the main trio work together. Just walking straight ove to the fight, regardless of Yoru being a hostage since they probably wouldn't kill him anyway.
確かに面白い点だな。各使い手にツガイが二体ずついるのは意図的な設計だと思われる。左と右、ハナの猫と犬、ジンの二種類の魚、あの男の亀と兎、ギャビーの二つの顎。このパターンからすると、偽アサにももう一体いるはずだが、単に尺の都合で未登場なだけかもしれない。
主人公トリオの連携も見事だ。ヨルが人質でも構わず突入したのは、おそらく「殺されはしない」という計算が働いている。彼らの信頼関係と状況判断の的確さが窺える描写だ。考察くん+6
runevault
Pretty sure they specifically mentioned Daemons only come in pairs. Like horse and lady from the previous episode.
確かに、悪魔は常にペアって言ってたね。前回の馬と女性のペアもそうだったし。普通くん+28
Cyouni
> Interesting that it always seems to be a pair of daemons per master.
The Japanese term, Tsugai, is explicitly intended to refer to a pair.
確かに!「ツガイ」って日本語自体がペアを指す言葉なんだよね〜!
左と右、花の猫と犬…全部対になっててやばくない?笑ギャル+8
Mr_An_1069
Despite falling for the trap, Yuru is still very smart being able to come up with a way out of that.
罠にかかったとはいえ、ユルはやっぱり賢いね。ちゃんと脱出方法を考え出せるんだから。普通くん+7
mekahamedan
i glad yuru straight to search kagemori clan, to asking their motive
i can see if this story write by other than arakawa hiromu-sensei, its will dragged into 50 episode misunderstood moment
review next episode, here we go some sus smiling guy that give you aura "you cant trust that guy" ever
that troupe still pretty good
カゲモリ一族の目的を直接問いただす展開、良いよな。もし荒川弘先生以外の作者だったら、50話も誤解が続く展開になってたかもしれない。
次回予告で「こいつは絶対信用できない」ってオーラを放つ不気味な笑顔のキャラが出てきたな。
そのテンプレ自体はまだまだ使えると思う。考察くん+6
ZapsZzz
Not sure if anyone has pointed it out yet, but Hana's Tsugai (I don't really think the translated word of Daemon fits - it's more like a "familiar" in the mage sense) literally means "Fore Wolf" and "Aft Tiger". In the context of fore-guard/rear-guard.
誰かもう指摘してるか分からないけど、ハナのツガイ(Daemonって訳語はちょっと違う気がするな。魔術師の使い魔みたいなもんだよね)が文字通り「前の狼」と「後の虎」って意味なんだ。前衛・後衛的なニュアンスだね。普通くん+6
DeadlyChi
I’m sure the anglerfish’s teeth will heal, but damn that would be brutal if they didn’t
アンコウの歯は治るんだろうけど、もし治らなかったらと思うとマジでヤバすぎるッ!感情くん+5
nirvash530
Kinda weirds me out that Yuru a.k.a. the Night and was said in this episode that he is "The One that thrives in Darkness" has bright blonde hair and a light color scheme while Asa a.k.a. the Daylight and presumably is "The One that thrives in Daylight" is the one that has black hair and usually wears black.
確かに興味深い点だ。夜=ユルが「闇の中で力を発揮する存在」とされながら金髪で明るい色調、昼=アサが「光の中で力を発揮する存在」と推測されるのに黒髪で黒い服装というのは、意図的な視覚的コントラストの逆転を仕掛けていると考察できる。これは表面上の属性と本質的な特性が一致しない、いわば「見かけ倒しの伏線」として機能している可能性が高い。制作陣は単なる属性の割り振りではなく、キャラクターの内面や役割の複雑さを色で表現したかったのだろう。考察くん+7
pervineer
If I had to guess its a reference to Yin Yang. If you look at the symbol there is a white dot in the black area and a black dot in the white area, I think thats what its supposed to represent.
なるほどな、陰陽五行説の話やろな。黒い部分に白い点、白い部分に黒い点があるやん?あれが「闇で輝く者」って解釈でええんちゃうか。2ちゃん+5
NationalStrategy
Wonder how that Rabbit would fare against Toji Fushigoru
あのウサギが伏黒甚爾と戦ったらどうなるんだろうな普通くん+6
NoHead1715
原文
Love the creativity in the daemon pairs. I laughed when the dog and cat are called zenko-koro which in the original proverb means endless troubles (tiger in front, wolf at the back). Then we have the tortoise and hare from the famous story of their race. I want to see what that other guy Akio uses.
Yuru with Left and Right are the perfect team of trust and capabilities. Loved their banter while in the middle of a confrontation.
デーモンペアのネーミングセンス、めちゃくちゃ考察し甲斐があるよな。「前門の虎、後門の狼」から取った"善狐・虎狼"のコンビには思わずニヤリ。さらにウサギとカメの童話を元にした組み合わせも来たし、あのアキオって奴が何を使うのか気になる。
左右を従えるユルのチームは、信頼と実力のバランスが完璧だな。戦闘中の軽口の応酬も、キャラの関係性を深める良い演出だった。考察くん+6
DrZoark
Yuru is a well-written character so far. That change from other characters in the same genre.
ユル、めっちゃキャラ立ってるじゃん!他の似たジャンルのキャラとは一味違う感じがやばい!ギャル+6
namewithak
原文
Very good episode. I like how Yuru is currently written. I was afraid that they would just drop the slaughter of Yuru's village and brush the whole thing aside to make Asa's side sympathetic. I'm glad Yuru is clearly still absolutely furious about it and wants revenge, though he's controlling his reaction so he can talk to Asa and get answers. The dynamic between Yuru and his daemons are great. I hope that the thread of him being a hunter and his daemons following suit remain throughout.
良いエピソードだったな。ユルの現在の描写がすごくいいと思う。ユルの村の虐殺をなかったことにして、アサ側を同情させる展開になるんじゃないかと心配してたんだ。でもユルが明らかにまだ激怒してて復讐を望んでるのがいいね。ちゃんと感情を抑えてアサと話して答えを求めてるところも良い。ユルと悪魔たちの関係性も素晴らしい。彼がハンターで、悪魔たちもそれに従うっていう流れがずっと続いてほしいな。普通くん+6
Latias876
He fought in SLIPPERS omg 😭
スリッパで戦っとるやんけwww😭
草生えるわ2ちゃん+6
Vahallen
The shot of Yoru coming out of the darkness after the hunter mindset talk was so cool
That’s it, that’s all I wanted to say
I like Yoru
Oh also, Yoru hand starting to tremble fighting the hurge to cut Jin throat when he confessed he was the one that organized the attack
「ハンターの思考」について話した後に、闇から現れる夜のカットがめっちゃかっこよかった
それだけ言いたかったんだ
夜が好き
あと、陣が攻撃を仕組んだって自白した時に、夜の手が彼の喉を切り裂きたくなる衝動と戦って震えてたシーンも良かった普通くん+5