AutoLovepon
アサと『解』
ユルに眼帯をした右目について尋ねられ、「兄様には嘘をつきたくない」と言うアサは過去を語り始める。自分は一度死んでいる、東村の刺客に殺されたのだと――
エピソードサムネイル
Mario_Prime510
Jeez this episode flew by. Felt like 5 minutes
このエピソードあっという間だったわ。5分くらいに感じた普通くん
Zero3020
No joke, I was going "oh lets see how the breakfast goes" and the credits rolled in reminded me how fast the time flew by.
草、マジで「朝飯どうなるか見てみよ」って思ってたらエンディング流れてきて時間の経過早すぎてワロタwww2ちゃん
RPO777
I'm glad Daemons is confirmed for 2 consecutive cours for 24 episodes. Having to wait for the 2nd cour would be torture lol.
まあ「黄泉のツガイ」が2クール連続24話確定で良かったな。2クール目まで待たされるのは地獄だっただろうし。ドライおじ
AceSoldia
Swear i felt like it just started when it ended
マジで始まったばっかだと思ったら終わっちゃったんだけど!?やばくね!?ギャル
Golden_Phi
They were teasing the interesting concept of hated enemies sitting down and casually eating breakfast together. Then it suddenly ended.
草、急に終わったやんwww 憎み合ってる敵同士が朝飯食ってるシュールな構図、めっちゃ面白そうやったのに。2ちゃん
PerfectBeige
原文
This show is so well constructed and absorbing. Especially given that the structure of this episode was flashback -> exposition -> flashback -> meeting. I think part of the magic is ending on a cliffhanger with Asa announcing she died last episode, and then giving us a first expositional flashback before following up with the Asa dying flashback. We spend the first half of the episode looking forward to a resolution for the end of last episode.
まあ、よくできてる作品だよな。特に今回は回想→説明→回想→対面って構成で、前回のASAの「私、死んだんだ」ってところから始めて、説明の回想挟んでから死の回想に繋げる流れ。前半は前回の続きが気になって自然と引き込まれる。悪くない構成だ。ドライおじ
Sameul_
I really like hanging with this show.
このアニメ見てる時間が結構好きだね。普通くん
Mario_Prime510
The humor and writing really makes the cast of characters chemistry really shine. Even the minor assassin thugs are likable. Full Metal Alchemist was the same way so it’s nice seeing another anime from the same creator.
草草草、この作者のキャラ同士の掛け合いガチで光ってるわwww 端役の殺し屋どもすらクセになる感じやん。鋼の錬金術師もそんな感じだったし、同じ作者の新作が見れて嬉しすぎるンゴ2ちゃん
totallyverifiedit
This is exactly the reason I've picked up this show the moment it aired. I didn't know what the show was about exactly but i just dived in knowing I'll eventually like it somehow. Yup. Definitely liking it.
このアニメ、放送開始と同時に追い始めた理由がまさにこれ。内容はよく知らなかったけど、なんとなく好きになる気がして飛び込んだんだよね。うん、やっぱり面白いわ。普通くん
LezRock
I refuse to believe that this episode was 24 minutes. 😂 It always end at good parts.
この24分という時間、我が感覚ではたったの一瞬だったぞ…!なぜなら常に最も熱い場面で幕を閉じるのだからな。😂 これはまさに運命の罠というやつか。中二病
Beautiful-Bit3929
Fr I was just waiting for the breakfast and then the outro started
草、朝飯待ってたらエンディング始まってワイ涙目www2ちゃん
mekerpan
I was shocked when the episode ended so quickly. It seemed impossible that 23 minutes had passed.
マジで!?もう終わったんだけど!23分一瞬すぎじゃない!?感動したわ〜ギャル
georgeoswalddannyson
Every episode feels like this tbh. It's the Hiromu Arakawa specialty
毎回これやんな。荒川弘の十八番やろこれwww2ちゃん
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
Yuru's father taught him well and despite not having gained his birthright (Seal) yet, which ironically he has to die for, he still managed to develop an inherent skill of detecting killing intent--which might as well be a super power in itself considering the many unknown entities that are after his life/power. Dera just casually dropping by in enemy territory while Jin and Gonzo are literally giving him death glares and rictus grins respectively, even graciously accepting the latter's invitation for breakfast, tells me how much of a stone cold killer Dera is and how proficient he is at his job. Definitely not his first rodeo kinda thing, infiltrating the enemy and whatnot. Can't really afford to lose the asset (Yuru), to the rival clan no less, even if it means separating the twins once more, and forcefully if he has to.
ユルの父上は見事に彼を鍛え上げたのだな。封印という宿命の力を未だ得ず、皮肉にもそのために死を運命づけられながらも、彼は殺気を察知するという天賦の技を既に会得している。我が身と力を狙う無数の未知なる存在たちを思えば、それはまさに超越的な能力と言えよう。デラが敵陣に悠然と現れ、ジンとゴンゾウがそれぞれ殺意の視線と不気味な笑みを向ける中、後者の朝食の誘いすら優雅に受け入れる様を見れば、彼がどれほど冷徹なる殺戮者であり、その任務にいかに精通しているかが分かる。敵地への潜入など、彼にとっては初めての経験ではあるまい。双子を再び引き裂くことになろうとも、いや、必要ならば力ずくでも、ライバル氏族に貴重な人材(ユル)を奪われるわけにはいかぬのだ。中二病
NanDemoKnaives
Dera's laxed demeanor is probably infuriating those two even more lol.
デラの飄々とした態度が、あの2人をさらにイラつかせてそうだなw普通くん
Se7en_Sinner
Sukuna meeting Gojo for the first time went exactly how I expected.
まじで予想通りすぎて草!笑 宿儺が五条と初対面したときの反応、やばくね?ギャル
CopyFew4583
Is Dera's VA same as Gojo?
デラの声優って五条と同じなんか?2ちゃん
Theduwang
Yes and Jin is sukuna
同意。ジンはまんま宿儺だよね普通くん
CopyFew4583
Explains Dera's smugness in enemy territory.
デラのあの余裕の態度、敵陣だからこそってわけか…納得しすぎるッ!感情くん
frik1000
Aren't Gojo and Sukuna's VAs both in Witch Hat Atelier this season too, also as opposing forces? What a coincidence.
五条と宿儺の声優どっちも今期のとんがり帽子のアトリエに出てるやん、しかも敵対関係とかww 偶然すぎて草www2ちゃん
somersault_dolphin
Yes, but I was hoping Sukuna's VA is Olruggio instead.
わかるけどさ、個人的には宿儺の声優はオルルジオがよかったな〜って思ってたんだけど!ギャル
gamria
Ironically, before he was Gojo, Dera's VA voiced a certain "Jin" Yuichi from World Trigger, AKA the character who served as Gojo's inspiration
面白いな、デラさんの声優が五条悟の前にワールドトリガーの迅悠一を演じてたんだって。つまり五条悟のインスピレーション元になったキャラってことか。普通くん
Cyouni
Jin was part of the inspiration for Gojo? ...I can see it.
「甚が五条の着想の一部であったとな?……うむ、確かに納得できるでござる」武士
gamria
Gege Akutami is reportedly a big fan of World Trigger after all
草、芥見ってWorld Triggerのガチファンだったんかよwww2ちゃん
Maybe_this_time_fr
Bro is saying he's not pressed at all. Ice in his veins.
あいつ、全然焦ってないって言ってるな。マジで肝据わってるわ。普通くん
Zeph-Shoir
I am really curious if Dera has something up his sleeve that allows him to be so carefree. He is supposedly a Daemon retainer of sorts but we have seen no signs yet of him having his own.
まじでデラって何か隠し玉持ってるんじゃね?あんなにノー天気でいられるのヤバくない?笑 一応デーモンの従者って設定らしいけど、自分のツガイっぽいのはまだ全然見せてきてないじゃん!ギャル
turkeygiant
I'm trying so hard to resist reading ahead in the manga so I can just enjoy the reveals in the anime as it comes out...but its really hard with so many mysteries they are teasing us with.
マンガで先を読まずにアニメで明かされるのを楽しみたいって頑張ってるんだけど…謎が多すぎて誘惑に勝つのがめっちゃ難しいんだよね普通くん
a1oner_bvcksn6
It wouldn't surprise me if Dera's daemons are reptiles and one of them could very well be a chameleon--granting him the ability of camouflage and ultimately becoming invisible whenever the situation calls for it.
デラの妖魔が爬虫類系で、カメレオンとかだったらワイ全然驚かんわwww 状況に応じて透明になれるとかチートすぎやろ草2ちゃん
Maybe_this_time_fr
Nah, I don't think so. He just got adamantium balls.
いや、某はそうは思わぬな。奴はただアダマンチウムの金玉を持っておるだけよ。武士
Magicbison
原文
Dera just casually dropping by in enemy territory while Jin and Gonzo are literally giving him death glares and rictus grins respectively, even graciously accepting the latter's invitation for breakfast, tells me how much of a stone cold killer Dera is and how proficient he is at his job. Dera has the ultimate chip in Yuru to keep him safe. The Kagemori Clan has it in their best interests to stay on Yuru's good side so killing Dera would go against that. As long as they want Yuru on their side the Kagemori can't do anything to Dera. No wonder he's so damn confident.
デラが敵陣に平然と現れて、ジンとゴンゾウからそれぞれ殺意の視線と引きつった笑みを向けられても、後者の朝食の誘いを優雅に受ける姿からは、彼がいかに冷徹なプロフェッショナルで、仕事に長けているかが窺える。デラの最大の切り札はユルという存在だ。影森一族がユルと良好な関係を維持したいと考える以上、デラに手を出すことは逆効果になる。彼らがユルを味方につけたい限り、デラに危害を加えることはできない。だからこそ彼はあれほど自信満々なのだろう。考察くん
RPO777
原文
There's also the fact that he was invited in as a guest--in traditional Japanese conceptions of morality, when you invite someone in as a guest, that comes with very strong moral obligations. To kill someone that you greeted as a guest is on par with how like guest rights work in Game of Thrones. Not to say this is inviolable or something--but Dera seems to take the Kagemori's promise to treat him as "kyaku-jin" (a guest) at face value as a reliable guarantee of safe passage. And this probably says something about how Dera sees Kagemori.
なるほどな。客として招かれたってのがデカいんやろな。日本の道徳観だと「客」として迎えた相手を殺すのは完全にタブーやからな。ゲーム・オブ・スローンズの客の権利みたいなもんや。 デラは影森が「客人(きゃくじん)」として扱うって約束を真に受けて安全を信じてるンゴね。これがデラの影森に対する見方を物語ってるわ。2ちゃん
SickAnto
Moral obligation over invited guests it is basically common practice in almost all the Old World, tbh.
まじそれな!旧世界では招待客に対する道徳的義務って基本中の基本じゃん?普通すぎて笑うわ〜ギャル
nofaxxspitintruflego
原文
dera just casually mogging a whole ahh enemy clan my initial speculation is that tadera clan is kind of the ones that care about keeping the peace most, and whatever allegiances will make things so, thats where they stand (im guessing) while kagemoris and higashi (atm seems like the bad guys, to what end who knows) directly oppose each other, and why even kagemori boss is keeping up appearances in front of dera thats BIGGGG (and why is dera and his "wife" only ones that has the "retainer" added to it???? WHAT DOES IT MEAN IN THIS CONTEXT I NEEEEDDDDD TO KNOWWWW SPECIFICALLYYYYYY) Q_Q
デラが敵陣営全体を軽くあしらうシーン、めちゃくちゃ考察が捗るな。まず田寺家は基本的に平和維持を最重視する立場で、そのための同盟関係ならどこにでもつく可能性がある(推測だが)。対して陰森家と東家は現状敵対関係(東は現時点で悪役ポジションだが、目的は不明)。さらに陰森の当主がデラの前で体裁を保とうとしてるのが超重要ポイント。 そして何より気になるのが、デラとその「妻」だけに「家臣」という肩書が付いてることだ。この文脈でそれが何を意味するのか、具体的に知りたい…!伏線としてどう繋がるのか、制作陣の意図が読めなさすぎて震える。考察くん
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
Iirc, Dera's clan is a much smaller sub-clan serving under the Higashi's, and as Jin mentioned: 'acts as the bridge between the hidden village and the outside modern world', hence the "retainer" label which in olden times literally means servant . As for keeping up appearances, it's kinda similar to playing poker so as not to give away your hand. Jin couldn't hide his animosity however, at least to Yuru, so there's definitely a long-standing feud or bitter history there, it would seem. Simply put, the Tadera clan is the Higashi clan's (for lack of a better term) Central Intelligence Agency
デラの一族は東の下位にあたる小さな分家で、ジンが言う「隠れ里と現代社会の橋渡し役」って感じだね。だから「家来」って呼ばれてるんだろう。昔で言うなら使用人みたいなものか。体裁を保つのはポーカーの手札を隠すのに似てる感じ。でもジンはユルに対しては敵意を隠せなかったから、かなり根深い確執があるんだろうな。簡単に言うと、寺田家は東家のCIAみたいなものだと思う。普通くん
_WrongKarWai
I think they mentioned that Dera's clan has attacked them on occasions and might have been responsible for the village to get to Asa. I think the women was from the village and perhaps the guy was from Dera's clan as he confirmed with her what she saw or maybe they were both from Dera's clan.
デラの一族がたまに襲撃してきてるって話やったな。多分あの村を使ってアサに近づこうとしてるんやろ。女は村の出身で、男はデラの一族って感じやな。女が見たもんを確認してたし、あるいは二人ともデラの一族かもな。2ちゃん
drunkenvalley
原文
Yeah the kidnappers were definitely from Higashi village or direct offshoots off it. One of them was able to recognize Asa, and the other was able to contest the validity of her recognizing Asa because of facts specific to Asa's stay, time since she'd left, etc. But it sounds an awful lot like they may have been going rogue. I'm going to guess they were both from Higashi, but had left - and likely not on an official mission to recapture Asa at all. If they had, their intel would've likely been stronger.
やっぱり誘拐犯たちは東村かその直系の派生組織の出身だったんだな。一人はアサを認識できて、もう一人はアサの滞在期間や脱走後の経過時間といった具体的な事実を基に、彼女の認識の正当性に異議を唱えていた。だが、かなり独自判断で動いていた可能性が高いと思う。推測だが、二人とも東村出身だけど離脱していて、おそらくアサを再捕獲する正式な任務ではなかったんだろう。もし任務だったら、もっと強力な情報を持っていたはずだという考察ができる。考察くん
Zeph-Shoir
What I am curious about is if Dera is the only Dera clan member, it sure seems that way
Deraがデラ族唯一のメンバーってことか? どうやらそうっぽいンゴねぇ… 気になるわ2ちゃん
BosuW
原文
Dera just casually dropping by in enemy territory while Jin and Gonzo are literally giving him death glares and rictus grins respectively, even graciously accepting the latter's invitation for breakfast, tells me how much of a stone cold killer Dera is and how proficient he is at his job. Definitely not his first rodeo kinda thing Matt Graver from Sicario energy Hope they don't have an Alejandro among their ranks
デラが敵地に平然と現れて、ジンとゴンゾウからそれぞれ殺意のこもった視線と引きつった笑みを向けられても、後者の朝食の誘いを優雅に受け入れるシーンから、彼がどれだけ冷徹な殺し屋で、どれほど仕事に熟練しているかが窺える。明らかに初めての経験じゃない——『シカリオ』のマット・グレイバー的な風格だ。彼らの陣営にアレハンドロのような人物がいないことを願う。考察くん
DarkWolfPL
"The perfect, little, adorable and innocent Asa is gone" Maybe not as little but she's still perfect and adorable.
「完璧で可愛くて無邪気な小さなアサはいなくなっちゃった」って言うけど、小さくはないかもしれないけど、それでも彼女は完璧で可愛いと思う。普通くん
thisisdropd
She's also still a hardcore brocon.
それな!しかもまだガチのブラコンすぎるッ!感情くん
AceSoldia
She's so adorable I can't even
可愛すぎてやばいわ普通くん
Ikari_21
She was pretty badass in the first ep but man ever since then she is just so cute haha hoping she gets that hug from yuru soon
最初の話ではめっちゃカッコよかったのに、その後はまじで可愛すぎじゃない!?笑 ユルにハグしてもらえる日が来るのを願ってるよ〜ギャル
Samsaknight_X
I don’t think perfect is one of the words I would use to describe anyone in this show
このアニメのキャラに「完璧」って言葉使うやついないだろwwwwおじ
Vautiko
Bat-shii crazy with a side of Bro-con, does not = perfect and adorable.
バットマン並みに狂ってる上にブラコン属性とか、完璧で可愛いには程遠いだろ……無理すぎるッ!!感情くん
Jacob-C
People will see an anime character with a pretty design and overlook all their transgressions, oh wait, it's the same in real life
人はキャラデザが可愛いと、そのキャラのやらかし全部見逃しがちだよな……って待て、現実でも同じか。普通くん
tao63
Lol did she stuttered on her inner monologue? That was pretty funny
あの内なるモノローグで噛んじゃったの?笑 めっちゃ面白かったんだけど!ギャル
NumberOneMom
She was pretty cool until they turned 90% of her character be into fawning over her brother every 3 minutes.
マジで最初はカッコよかったのに…途中から3分おきに兄貴にデレデレするキャラになって無理すぎるッ!感情くん
FarCritical
It was cool watching Yuru exercise his usual caution with who to trust but even cooler to see where he got it (and his lack of hesitation) from. Imagine being in Asa's position and deciding to inherit the superpower that had dying as just one of the prerequisites, only to slip on a skull and fall anyway.
ユルがいつもの慎重さで誰を信じるか見極めてるのは面白かったけど、その慎重さ(と迷いのなさ)がどこから来てるのか分かったのがもっと良かったな。アサの立場になって考えてみ?死ぬことが前提条件の超能力を継ごうと決めたのに、結局頭蓋骨で滑って転んじゃうって。普通くん
tanezuki
Maybe that's what happened to the twin who actually died 400 years ago lmao
400年前に死んだ方の双子、実はそういうことだったのかもしれないンゴねえwww2ちゃん
Any-Calligrapher2866
They probably just chose to die rather than being someone's weapon
武器にされるくらいなら死を選んだってことか…まじかよwwwwwwおじ
Galinhooo
The way they put it seemed more like the twin can be denied or someone may have messed up with the dude that gives the power of seal.
あの言い方だと、双子は否定される可能性があるって感じやな。もしくは封印の力を与えるやつが何かしくじった可能性もあるンゴwww2ちゃん
Medical-Efficiency-6
that could be true, maybe Seal and Break don't accept every twin who stands before them, but maybe the people from the outside don't really know that the twins can decide if they accept the power or die
確かにその考察は成立するな。シールとブレイクは前に立った全ての双子を受け入れるわけではなく、外の連中は「双子が力を受け入れるか死ぬかを選べる」という事実を本当は知らない可能性が高い。この設定は、単なる継承システムではなく、意志と選択を重視する作品のテーマを暗示していると思われる。考察くん
maxdragonxiii
yeah its not fully understood what makes them the Seal and Break twins. like maybe one of them didnt accept Seal/Break or the Seal/Break refused to accept them.
確かに!封印と破壊の双子って仕組みがまだよくわかんないよね〜。たぶん片方が封印とか破壊を受け入れなかったか、逆に封印・破壊がそいつらを拒否したパターンとか?やばくねこれ!?ギャル
AceSoldia
Lmao dude when she dropped to her knees I was like omg don't fall off!
ははっ、あの子が膝をついた時「落ちるなよ!」って思わず叫びそうになったわ普通くん
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
原文
So this episode basically confirms the theory that the Higashi Village (at least the adult population) were in on the whole plot to make use of the twins. It might explain why Gabby only killed them and why the twins' father insisted that Yuru should act normal once they return to the village. He might be cautious on the possibility that the village would do something to the twins once they learn that they have an important role to play. Which, as we've learned, involves killing them to awaken their powers. Yet despite this, the episode still raised a lot of questions. Why exactly is Asa imprisoned during her time in the village? I initially thought that it was the case only for the impostor to keep Yuru from leaving but now that we know that this has been going on since they were children, one has to wonder why. I also wonder why Yuru was left behind. Did they initially plan to spirit away both children but the plan was bungled? Or did they really intended to leave him? Either way, I do feel for Yuru for being the one left behind. Once again, we're blessed with Yuru being a rational MC. Love how he was looking in from the outside of the situation and is willing to hear out both sides and decide how to go from there. Such mindset is really useful in their brutal world and I hope this trend continues into the story.
今回のエピソードで、東村(少なくとも大人たち)は双子を利用する計画に加担していたという考察がほぼ確定したな。これなら、ガビィが大人だけを殺した理由や、双子の父親が「村に戻ったら普通に振る舞え」とユルに言ったのも説明がつく。村が双子の重要な役割を知ったら何か仕掛けてくる可能性を警戒していたんだろう。その役割とは、彼らを殺して能力を覚醒させることだと判明したわけだが。 それでも、このエピソードは多くの疑問を残している。なぜアサは村にいる間ずっと監禁されていたのか?最初は偽物がユルを村から出さないための措置かと思ったが、幼少期から続いていたとなると理由が気になる。また、なぜユルだけ置き去りにされたのか?当初は双子とも連れ去る予定だったが計画が頓挫したのか、それとも最初からユルは置いていくつもりだったのか。いずれにせよ、取り残されたユルの気持ちを思うと胸が痛む。 そして改めて、ユルが理性的な主人公で助かる。外部から状況を俯瞰し、両者の意見を聞いてからどう動くか決める姿勢は、この過酷な世界では本当に有用だ。この傾向が今後も続くことを願う。考察くん
somersault_dolphin
Why exactly is Asa imprisoned during her time in the village? If this is anything like Kamisama Doll, it's probably has something to do with some superstitious stuff. Like Yuru (night) is allowed to go about during the day, while Asa (morning) is kept in constant darkness.
草、アサが村で閉じ込められてた理由ってマジでそれかよw 神様ドールズと同じノリなら迷信チックな話やろな。 ユル(夜)は日中自由に動けて、アサ(朝)は常に暗闇に閉じ込められるとか、ガチでダークやんwww2ちゃん
Zonca
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I think so too with Asa, nerfing her by keeping her in the dark, but I believe Yuru didn't have any restrictions placed on him, he camps out the night with his father outside no problem and based on what we've seen of him, he clearly hunted in the night many times before. My headcanon is that Break is simply more feared and more coveted by various factions, compared to Seal, so they kept her locked up and made up some superstitious bs reason for it. Even two episodes ago, when we got a brief point of view about the masterminds behind the attack, they talked about only caring for Asa (or just her head) while not caring about Yuru.
アサに関しては俺もそう思うな、情報を隠して弱体化させてる感じだよね。でもユルは特に制限かけられてなかったと思う。父親と外で夜を過ごしてるし、これまでの描写からも何度も夜に狩りをしてたのは明らかだし。俺の解釈だと、ブレイクはシールよりも各勢力に恐れられてて狙われやすいから、アサを閉じ込めて迷信っぽい理由をでっち上げたんだと思う。2話前の襲撃の黒幕視点でも、アサ(もしくはその首)だけが目的でユルは眼中にないって言ってたしな。普通くん
totokekedile
They said one of the twins from 400 years ago didn't come back after they died. If Break was the one that manifested in the world while Seal didn't, it'd make more sense why Break would be the coveted one because it had its powers demonstrated.
400年前の双子の片方は死んだまま戻ってこなかったって話やろ。もしBreakだけがこの世に顕現してSealは戻ってこなかったなら、Breakが狙われる理由も納得やな。能力を実際に見せてたわけやし。2ちゃん
somersault_dolphin
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Probably sexism if I have to guess. The village is stuck in the past too. IRL twins were considered bad luck, and while special twins in this series are coveted, there are probably some weird superstitions about twins still and so the girl get the brunt of the "punishment". When it comes to break and seal, I think both can be powerful depending on how you use it. Like, if you want to use seal destructively then you can seal someone's heartbeat or something. You can also probably seal someone's memory to basically erase them. But generally I can see seal having a lot more disaster averting applications.
多分性差別だと思うんだよね。村も時代遅れだし。現実でも双子は不吉とされてたし、この作品では特別な双子は重宝されてるけど、まだ変な迷信があって女の子が罰を受ける側になってるんだろうな。「破壊」と「封印」については、使い方次第でどっちも強力だと思う。例えば封印を破壊的に使うなら心臓の鼓動を封じるとか、記憶を消して実質的に抹消することもできるだろうし。でも全体的には、封印の方が災害を防ぐ用途が多そうだね。普通くん
Frostbitten_Moose
They said they wanted Asa's head, while Yuru needed to die. If those guys had crazy good intel on the state of Seal, which given they knew exactly what the status of each Kagemori was is a real possibility, might just be they also wanted to wake up Seal. Wonder if they'd want Yuru's head as well after he 'woke up'.
「Asaの首が欲しい、Yuruは死ぬべきだって言ってたンゴね。もし連中がSealの状態についてガチで情報持ってたなら——各Kagemoriの状態を正確に把握してたってことはあり得るやろ——単にSealを目覚めさせたかっただけかもしれんわ。Yuruが『目覚めた』後で、そっちの首も欲しがるかどうか気になるンゴwww」2ちゃん
SonOfJenova
Man, a Kamisama Dolls mention in 2026 wasn't on my bingo card The OP slaps HARD!
2026年に神様ドールズが話題に出るとは思わなかった…!でもOPがマジでかっこよすぎるッ!優勝!感情くん
Myrkrvaldyr
Once again, we're blessed with Yuru being a rational MC. Years of dumb shonen MCs make me love chars like Yuru so much. If he was a Naruto/Asta copy the quality of this series would suffer.
またユルが理性的な主人公でいてくれて感謝だわ。何年もバカな少年漫画主人公ばかり見てきたから、ユルみたいなキャラがめっちゃ好き。もしナルトやアスタのコピーだったらこの作品の質は落ちてたと思う。普通くん
ArrivalBrilliant616
Naruto's personality made sense considering his upbringing, and he became a lot smarter/wiser in Shippuden
確かに!ナルトの性格って幼少期考えたらめっちゃ納得じゃん?しかも疾風伝でめっちゃ賢くなったしな!ギャル
dolphincave
To be fair it's still harsh from Gabi's perspective since even the Kagemori clan has clear non-combatants, and she'd probably throw a fit if someone like Dera just started attacking them too. Like I get killing everyone holding a weapon, but that one girl's mother was just running away.
確かにガビの立場からすると厳しいよな。影森一族にも明らかな非戦闘員がいるし、デラみたいなやつが彼らを襲い始めたら激怒するだろうし。武器持ってる奴を殺すのはわかるけど、あの少女の母親はただ逃げてただけだしな。普通くん
pornomancer90
She obviously cares a lot for Asa and is protective of her, so it might not be right, but she probably really hates the Higashi Villagers and thinks everyone combatant or not deserves the worst. Except for the children.
彼女が明らかにアサを大切に思っていて守ろうとしているのは分かる。だから正しいとは言えないかもしれないが、おそらく東の村人たちを強く憎んでいて、戦闘員だろうが非戦闘員だろうが全員に最悪の結末を望んでいると思われる。ただし子供たちは例外として。考察くん
Zealroth
The whole "I don't kill children, don't worry" thing is a bit of a twisted perspective. Killing a child's parent right in front of them and then leaving them to their fate is arguably crueler than killing them. She is basically a child soldier so it makes sense that she'd view things irrationally, though.
「子供は殺さないから安心しろ」発言、なんか歪んでるよな。目の前で親殺して放置する方が殺すより残酷やろ。まあ彼女は子供兵士みたいなもんだから、そういう非合理的な思考になるのはわからんでもないけど。2ちゃん
antiukap
Well, Gabi is definitely in the wrong here, but, I also don't get why the woman haven't booked it from there long before Gabi could have even descended from the chopper.
確かにガビは悪いけど、なんであの女性はヘリから降りる前にさっさと逃げなかったんだろうね。普通くん
HornedTurtle1212
And go where? For a frightened villager being in the village near the defenders is safer then running off into the woods alone.
でどこ行くんだよ。怖がってる村人からしたら防衛陣の近くの村にいる方が、一人で森に逃げ込むより安全だろ。2ちゃん
antiukap
Dunno, hide somewhere IN the village, away from the intruders, like the villagers who did survive the attack and not just stand there with your child, slightly angry and annoyed (only the girl looks somewhat unsure in the anime), as some unknown intruder takes her sweet time. She became frightened only after the alone teenage girl showed her teeth.
考察すると、生存した村人たちと同じように、侵入者から隠れる場所が村内にあったはずだ。なのに子供を抱えたまま立って、少し怒って苛立っているだけ(アニメでは少女だけがやや不安そうだった)で、見知らぬ侵入者が悠々と時間をかけるのを許すのは不自然だ。彼女が恐怖を感じたのは、一人の10代少女が牙をむき出しにしてからだった点を踏まえると、この描写には「脅威の認識が遅れる」という伏線が含まれていると思われる。考察くん
EXusiai99
Turns out people in shock dont always do the most rational options
ショック状態の人間が必ずしも合理的な選択するとは限らんのやな…ってなるわ ガチでそういう描写リアルやと思うわ2ちゃん
Maybe_this_time_fr
Yeah, people like Gabi cause she cute but she is definitely fucked in the head.
ガビは可愛いから人気あるけど、明らかに頭おかしいよね。普通くん
PerfectBeige
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I also wonder why Yuru was left behind. Just a guess, but we know that seal and break together are ridiculously powerful, so much so that the twins are being chased by multiple factions for various uses and are prophesized to be involved in a major war. Yuru and Asa's parents were likely aware that other factions would chase them once they left. They may have worried about what would happen if the twins were kept together and taken at the same time. A power more malignant than Higashi Village might suddenly become unstoppable. Especially because each twin could be manipulated by threatening the other. Hence, leave Yuru in the safest possible place and keep Asa with them, thereby depriving both Higashi Village and hostile third parties of straightforward access to both twins. Underlying this is the idea that Higashi Village is wicked and leaving Yuru with them was irresponsible. But I think what we are discovering is that all the major human factions are painted in shades of grey. Yuru's parents may have known that Yuru would not be mistreated, even if Granny is clearly not to be trusted.
ユルが置いてかれた理由、ワイも気になってたンゴ。封印と破壊が合わさるとガチでヤバすぎるから、双子を一緒に連れてかれたら東ノ村より凶悪な勢力が止まらなくなるのを親が警戒したんやろな。互いを人質にされると操作されるリスクもあるし。だからユルは安全な場所に預けて、アサだけ連れてった、と。ただ東ノ村も完全な悪じゃなくてグレーゾーンってのが最近わかってきたわ。ババアは信用ならんけど、ユルが虐待されることはないと親は知ってたんかもな。2ちゃん
OldInstruction5368
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So this episode basically confirms the theory that the Higashi Village (at least the adult population) were in on the whole plot to make use of the twins. It really doesn't, as that was just Asa's interpretation of events. And she is a traumatized child operating off incomplete information from a deeply biased perspective. I still get the vibe that there is an "inner circle" and "outer circle" within the village. Those that are in the know and do the dirty work, and the ignorant masses surrounding them, farming the fields, hunting in the woods, making supplies, and generally supplying the main 'core' group of crazies. Just think back to the day of the attack. All the villagers were basically "deer in headlights" as they were being slaughtered. They had no concept of guns, no idea why they were being attacked, couldn't see the deamons, nor seemed to have any concept of them. They just stood there, trembling in fear, holding whatever tools they were working with at the time as they were slaughtered one by one. Does that sound like the behavior of people who were "in on the whole plot," or ignorant villagers that have no idea what is going on? Likely it's just Granny Harridan and whatever ghouls she has working directly under her.... recruited from the general population of the village or from retainers on the outside doing the dirty work. But they aren't told until she can be sure of their loyalty and discretion.
今回の話で「東村(少なくとも大人たち)は双子を利用する計画に加担していた」説が確定したわけじゃないよね。これはあくまでアサの解釈で、彼女はトラウマを抱えた子供で、偏った視点から不完全な情報で判断してるだけだと思う。村には「内側のサークル」と「外側のサークル」がある気がするんだ。知ってて汚い仕事をする連中と、周りで畑を耕したり森で狩りをしたり物資を作ってる無知な大衆。襲撃の日のことを思い出してよ。村人たちは皆、屠られる間、まるで「ヘッドライトに照らされた鹿」みたいに立ちすくんでた。銃の概念もなく、襲われる理由も分からず、デーモンも見えず、存在すら知らなかった。ただ震えて、手に持ってた道具を握りしめながら一人また一人と殺されていったんだ。そんなのが「計画に加担してた」人たちの行動に見える?おそらくハリダン婆さんと、彼女の直属のグールたちだけだよ…村の一般市民か外部の家臣からリクルートしたんだろうけど、忠誠心と口の固さが確認されるまで何も教えられてないんだ。普通くん
Alter_Kyouma
The fact that Yuru was attacked by a "bandit" inside the village barrier and the dad's reaction makes me question whether Granny is the leader of the only faction in the village or if there are multiple factions fighting there too. Most folks might be completely uninvolved but there may be some clans (like the Tadera) that follow Granny and other clans that have a hidden agenda
ユルが村の結界内で「盗賊」に襲われて、親父の反応見る限り、ばあちゃんが村で唯一の派閥の長なのか、それとも他にも派閥が争ってるのか気になるンゴねぇ。大半の連中は無関係かもしれんけど、ばあちゃんに従うタデラみたいな一派と、裏で暗躍してる連中がいるんやろな。2ちゃん
Ikari_21
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My take exactly with the village. I’m still hesitant to generalize the entire village as “evil” primarily because of how those farmers and regular folk acted. They had no idea wth was going on and just got slaughtered. Granny immediately went in action and I’m sure whatever elders or “in the know” villagers began countering. It’s really that group that I’m most suspicious about, but that doesn’t mean the entire village as a whole needs to die. Regardless I’m so invested in the mystery of the village and the kagemori.
村については俺も同じ考えだな。まだ村全体を「悪」って決めつけるのは躊躇してる。あの農民や一般の村人たちの様子を見る限り、彼らは何が起きてるか全然知らされずにただ虐殺されただけだし。婆ちゃんはすぐ動き出したし、長老とか「事情を知ってる」連中が対抗し始めたんだろうな。俺が一番疑ってるのはそのグループだけど、村全体が死ぬ必要はないと思う。とにかく村と影守の謎にめっちゃハマってるわ。普通くん
Frostbitten_Moose
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Yet despite this, the episode still raised a lot of questions. Why exactly is Asa imprisoned during her time in the village? I initially thought that it was the case only for the impostor to keep Yuru from leaving but now that we know that this has been going on since they were children, one has to wonder why. I wonder if this is part of the legend that's been passed down over the centuries. The night twin needs to be raised in the light, and the day twin needs to live in darkness in order to be prepared to be a vessel for their daemon.
このエピソード、やはり多くの疑問を提起しているな。アサが村にいる間、なぜ幽閉されていたのか。最初は偽者がユルを村に留めるためだけだと思っていたが、幼少期から続いていたと判明すると、その理由を考えざるを得ない。これは何世紀にもわたって伝えられてきた伝説の一部なのではないか。夜の双子は光の中で育ち、昼の双子は闇の中で生きることで、それぞれの悪霊の器となる準備をする——そういう考察ができる。考察くん
Desperate_Method4020
I'm pretty sure asa was kept there as an hostage, so the whole family would flee. The parents had to choose which one to flee with.
多分アサは人質としてそこに残されて、家族全員が逃げられるようにってことだよね。両親はどっちと逃げるか選ばなきゃいけなかったんだと思う。普通くん
nqtoan1994
Like how toddler is kept inside a cage, it is likely that Asa was imprisoned for her own safety. The village was built on a hill surrounded by a forest, there are a bunch of things could kill a children, and I don't think the elders would want the twins to awaken to their powers, outside of the elders' control.
幼児が檻に入れられてるみたいに、アサも自分の安全のために閉じ込められてたんやろな。村は森に囲まれた丘の上にあって、ガキを殺せるもんが山ほどあるし、長老連中が双子の力を自分らの管理外で覚醒させたいとは思わんやろ。まあ当然の処置やね。2ちゃん
Neosovereign
If it really is the case that every adult was totally 100% in on it, it was telegraphed really poorly. Like, there are lots of kid there, so when do they find out? Is everyone just acting 100% of the time, method style? The woman guarding her kids?
確かに全員が完全にグルって設定なら、伏線の張り方がかなり雑だったよね。子供たちいっぱいいるけど、いつ気づくんだよって話で。全員が24時間役者やってるの?あの子供を守ってた女の人も?普通くん
bb2b
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I think this is more in line with extreme protectionism. the bars and seals meant to keep everything else out rather than Asa in. So, a village princess with the 'Keep the maiden pure' story might be the ruse to make it seem ethical to Yuru and keep him controlled. I'm assuming the Higashi clan assassin was a defector since it's mentioned that people go down the mountain to work and often don't return. So, with just enough knowledge to be stupid and dangerous they assassinate Asa intending to somehow use whatever power the twin would revive with. I'm also assuming that the village itself doesn't Want them to die. Their oral tradition could have distorted the intent behind 'cursed'. I also wonder if they know which is which. They likely don't want to find out the break twin died and has decided to use their ability for great evil. Or, that maybe they want the twins to organically 'die' and revive to see which power is which. Which would be much easier if no one decided to assassinate them, with Yuru accidentally dieing to a fall down a blind cliff, or Asa catching a sickness and dieing since she's being confined heavily. Maybe separating the twins was to ensure if one went rogue, the other could stop them. Lots of fun reasons to think about.
これは極端な保護主義の延長線上にあると考えられる。結界や封印はアサを閉じ込めるためではなく、外部からの侵入を防ぐためのものだ。つまり「乙女を純潔に保つ」という村の姫の物語は、ユルを倫理的に納得させて制御するための偽装工作だった可能性が高い。 東一族の暗殺者が離反者だったと推測するのは、山を下りて働く者たちがしばしば戻らないという描写からだ。そのため、危険な半端知識を持った彼らがアサを暗殺し、双子が復活する際の力を利用しようとしたのだろう。 また、村自体は彼らの死を望んでいないと思われる。「呪われた」という口承は意図が歪められている可能性がある。さらに、村人がどちらがどちらの双子か把握しているかも疑問だ。 彼らが恐れているのは、壊れた方の双子が死亡し、その能力を悪用する決断をすることだろう。あるいは、自然に死んで復活するのを待ち、どちらの能力かを見極めようとしているのかもしれない。それなら暗殺を仕掛けず、ユルが崖から転落死したり、アサが監禁による病気で死ぬのを待つ方が簡単だ。 双子を分離したのは、片方が暴走した場合に他方が止められるようにするためだろう。考察しがいのある要素が多くて楽しい。考察くん
NumberOneMom
Once again, we're blessed with Yuru being a rational MC. Literally my favorite part of the show. It's so refreshing.
またユルが理性的な主人公でいてくれて、本当にありがたい。この作品で一番好きなところだよ。新鮮すぎる。普通くん
Eunuchest
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So this episode basically confirms the theory that the Higashi Village (at least the adult population) were in on the whole plot to make use of the twins. It might explain why Gabby only killed them and why the twins' father insisted that Yuru should act normal once they return to the village. He might be cautious on the possibility that the village would do something to the twins once they learn that they have an important role to play. Which, as we've learned, involves killing them to awaken their powers. The question now is why is the village only acting NOW to kill them. Yuru spent most of his life there and they didnt try to kill him. Why?
今回のエピソードで、東村(少なくとも成人住民)が双子を利用する計画に加担していたという考察がほぼ確定したな。これで、ガビィが彼らだけを殺した理由や、双子の父親が村に戻ったらユルは普通に振る舞えと強調した理由も説明がつく。父親は、村が双子の重要な役割を知ったら何か仕掛けてくる可能性を警戒していたんだろう。その役割とは、我々が知った通り、彼らを殺して能力を覚醒させることだ。問題は、なぜ村が今になってようやく殺そうと動き出したのかだ。ユルは人生の大半を村で過ごしたのに、彼らは殺そうとしなかった。なぜだ?考察くん
antiukap
Did you miss the beginning of the episode? Or do you think there are premodern bandits going around modern Japan and willy-nilly entering magical barriers?
冒頭見逃した?それとも現代日本をうろつく前近代的な山賊が魔法の結界にずかずか入ってくるとでも思ってるの?そんなわけないだろッ!感情くん
Eunuchest
Just because they had a barrier doesnt mean there werent assassins who possibly figured how it works every now and then to infiltrate the village. Complete randos have entered the village like Yuru and Asa's mom
確かにバリアがあったからって、たまに仕組みを解明して村に潜入する暗殺者がいなかったとは限らないよね。ユルやアサの母さんみたいな完全な部外者も入ってきてたし。普通くん
antiukap
So his parents decided to leave the village because of that outside assassin (in original comment: staggler)? Reply to edited version: how nice of the outside assassin to keep the old-timey charade.
まじで?親が村出たのってあの外部の刺客のせいなんだ!やばくね!? 返信:外部の刺客、昔ながらの茶番続けてくれて親切じゃん笑ギャル
Eunuchest
Who knows. I didnt hear his dad's whisper. Did you? Reply to edited version: how nice of the outside assassin to keep the old-timey charade. Hmm assuming its a 3rd party, you think they'd immediately know who's their target and not spent time gathering info inside the village? Pretty competent i must say
わかんないな。父親のささやきは聞こえなかったけど、君はどう? 編集後のコメントへの返信:外部の刺客が昔ながらのごっこ遊びを続けてくれるなんて親切だね。第三者だとしたら、すぐにターゲットが誰か分かって村の中で情報収集に時間を費やさないと思う?結構有能だと言わざるを得ないな。普通くん
antiukap
No, but I heard him telling Yuru to keep mum about the attack, loud and clear.
いや、でもユルに襲撃のこと黙っとけって言ってるのガチで聞こえたわ。2ちゃん
Eunuchest
And that proves what? As far yuru is concerned it was a 3rd party, even if he said it the village would have just pretended its not them and yuru would still be none the wiser. Which still tells us nothing of what's the motive and what exactly happened
確かにそれは何の証明にもならないよね。ユルからすれば第三者の発言だし、仮に本人が言ったとしても村は知らん顔するだけでユルは真相に気づかないままだっただろう。結局、動機や実際に何が起きたのかは全くわからないままだね。普通くん
antiukap
Reply to edit: "gathering info inside the village". That it is an isolated village where only a few trusted outsiders are allowed to enter. How would they even identify twins without getting detected? Or should they simply kill all children they come across? Then getting some camo on top of enormous luck would have better chances accomplishing such a goal.
編集返し:「村の中の情報収集」って話か。つまり外部の信頼できる奴しか入れない隔離された村ってことやろ。双子を特定するって言っても、バレずにどうやってやるねん? 出会った子ども全員殺せってのか? そしたら超絶ラッキーに加えて迷彩装備でもしないと、そんな目標達成は無理ゲーやろなwww2ちゃん
Eunuchest
Sorry, not everyone is james bond. They however dont need to be james bond if they're remotely competent on espionage.
すまん、みんながジェームズ・ボンドってわけじゃないよな。でもスパイとしてちゃんと有能なら、ジェームズ・ボンドである必要もないと思うけどね。普通くん
antiukap
You do know *who (before edit how ) James Bond is?
あのな、ジェームズ・ボンドって誰か知っとるんか?(編集前はhowだったンゴwww)2ちゃん
Eunuchest
Of course not, i wouldnt have mentioned him if i did, right?
「いや当然ないでしょ!もしそうなら名前出したりしないしね?」感情くん
Namaryu
I believe when twins are born the goals it to convince the twins to join your side before killing them and you have to be 100% sure they are not gonna betray you by not reviving.
双子が生まれた時点で、殺す前に味方につけるのが目的なんだろうね。しかも復活しないように絶対に裏切らないって確信がないとダメってことか。普通くん
Backupusername
原文
A small liberty was taken in the translation from Yuru's dad in that scene. When he first held him, the subtitles said "I shouldn't have taken my eyes off you." The Japanese line was 俺が目を離したばかりに (feel free to double-check this with whatever translator you trust), which is more like "the second I took my eyes off you..." Japanese, especially anime Japanese, often leaves off the end of a sentence like that. Anyway, the important thing is that this line implies that Yuru's dad is usually extremely vigilant and protective of Yuru. If this attempt was made just as he stopped paying attention, it stands to reason that assassins had been waiting for such an opportunity, and that Dad was just too attentive for their to have been one any sooner.
あの場面のユルの父親の台詞、翻訳で少しニュアンスが変わってるんだよな。字幕では「目を離したばかりに」と訳されていたけど、原語の「俺が目を離したばかりに」は、直訳すると「目を離した瞬間に…」という含意がある。日本のアニメ、特に日本語の特性として、文末が省略されることが多いんだ。重要なのは、この台詞からユルの父親が常に非常に警戒心が強く、ユルを守っていたことが示唆される点だ。もしこの襲撃が彼が注意を緩めた瞬間に起こったのなら、暗殺者たちはその機会を待っていたと考えるのが自然で、父親の注意力が高すぎて以前は成功し得なかったという考察ができる。考察くん
tanezuki
As an anime only, my guess is that it's due to him not being in the village anymore ? If what is said is right, and that twins like them usually bring chaos, they might be used as a deterrent against other clans as a sort of nuclear weapon type of concept "either you leave us alone or we all suffer/die". But the way they're shady is weird af.
アニメ勢やけど、村から離れたからじゃね?もし噂通りなら、双子って大抵カオスもたらすらしいから、他氏族への抑止力として使われてる可能性あるわな。「手出すなら共倒れだぞ」的な核兵器みたいな概念で。でもあの胡散臭さはガチでキモいンゴwww2ちゃん
Maybe_this_time_fr
So this episode basically confirms the theory that the Higashi Village (at least the adult population) Probably not all of them. This is a very biased story from Asa. You actually fell for a fictional propaganda this shit funny af. This is actually just 2 organized crime families going at each other.
このエピソードで東村(少なくとも大人たちは)の理論がほぼ確定したな。でも全員じゃないと思うけど。これはアサからの偏った話で、お前まさかフィクションのプロパガンダに引っかかったのかよ、笑えるわ。結局は2つの組織犯罪ファミリーが争ってるだけだろ。普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
原文
I really like how Yuru's father handled the situation, there was so much compassion and guidance. Yuru was very shaken by the situation, understandably, so I'm glad his father was around the first time there was an assassination attempt on him.  It's interesting to learn how the twins receive their special abilities and I'm glad Dera, Left and Right all had the same idea as to why they weren't going to tell Yuru about it, with Left and Right actually having evidence of it going wrong. Those two kidnappers were idiots for thinking Asa was just not going to kill them after they killed her lol.  Now that Dera has shown his face to the Kagemori clan, does this mean he can freely grow his facial hair again? Wasn't the reason he shaved so that he doesn't get recognized by them? Hana can get her Jason Statham back again lol.
ユルの父親の対応ガチで良かったわ。あの状況でちゃんと優しく導いてくれてたしな。ユルが動揺するのも当然やし、初めての暗殺未遂の時に父親がいてくれてホント良かったわ。 双子が特殊能力を得る仕組みも興味深いし、デラも左右もユルに隠そうとした理由が一致してたの草。しかも左右は実際に失敗した証拠持ってるンゴwww あの誘拐犯どもアサを殺した後で自分たちが殺されないと思ったんか?アホすぎやろ。 デラが影森一族に顔バレしたってことは、もうヒゲ伸ばし放題ってことか?剃ってたのって身バレ防止のためやったんやろ?ハナがジェイソン・ステイサムを取り戻せるってわけか草2ちゃん
AceSoldia
Since it's been 400 years and the last twins didn't revive...everyone is clearly going off of legends and incomplete information...maybe they think the brainwashing of the village makes the kids easy to control
400年も経って前の双子が復活しなかったからな…みんな伝説と不完全な情報に頼ってるだけだと思うよ。もしかしたら村での洗脳で子供たちを簡単に操れると思ってるのかもね。普通くん
Zeph-Shoir
One of the twins didn't revive
片方の双子だけ生き返らなかった……まじでそれ無理すぎるッ!泣いた感情くん
Single-Waltz2946
By choice if it is anything like Asa's experience
草 選択でやったってのはワイとしてはAsaの経験と一緒やろなあ2ちゃん
CosmicDestructor
To add to it, it's likely thay nobody other than Asa knows it's a choice in the first place.
それに加えて、この選択肢があるって知ってるのって多分アサだけなんじゃない?やばくね!?ギャル
AceSoldia
Interesting if she thought her parents were dead and her brother was dead..living a life with assasins after you..I can see why she could have easily chosen to just die
草、親も兄貴も死んだと思ってて自分も殺し屋に追われまくってたらそりゃ「もう死にてえ」って思うわなwww ワイでも同じ選択するンゴねえ…2ちゃん
saga999
In a way it's similar to video game. There's a difference between continuing a run and restarting a run after game over.
まじでゲームっぽいよね!ゲームオーバー後にそのまま続けるのと最初からやり直すのって全然違うじゃん?やばくね!?ギャル
JohnatanWills
原文
To be fair we don't know if acquiring Seal works the same way. But also the Demon for Break said "Only look forward as you advance. Don't turn back." so it feels like maybe you can fail to acquire the ability if you waver. However Asa was told the way to die wasn't to turn away from the tree but to fall off the path. Maybe in the process of getting the power something can happen that might cause you to fall off the path anyways.
確かにまだシールの入手方法が同じかはわからないね。でもブレイクの悪魔が「進む時は前だけ見ろ。振り返るな」って言ってたし、迷うと能力を獲得できない可能性もあるかも。ただアサは「死に方は木から背を向けることじゃなく、道から落ちることだ」って言われてたんだよな。力を得る過程で、結果的に道から落ちるようなことが起きるのかもしれない。普通くん
MetrognomeAK
Also the rules for seal might end up being flipped/opposite that of acquiring break because of how some daemon pairings work. Like maybe it’s given to those who don’t seek the power of seal or to those who choose death for some reason.
封印のルール、ブレイク取得と真逆になる可能性あるよな。デーモンの組み合わせ次第で。例えば、封印の力を求めない奴とか、あえて死を選んだ奴に与えられるとか。ワイはそう読めたンゴwww2ちゃん
JohnatanWills
That would be very interesting but I doubt it since story wise Yoru has to acquire it at some point and he does not seem like the type of character to choose death. Even more so since he still needs to get a ton of answers and has a "new" sister he's slowly getting to know.
確かに興味深い展開だが、物語の構造上ヨルがいつかそれを手に入れる必要があると思われる。そして彼は死を選ぶタイプのキャラクターには見えない。さらに、まだ多くの謎を解明する必要があるし、「新しく」できた妹と少しずつ絆を深めている最中だという点を踏まえると、その可能性は低いという考察ができる。考察くん
drunkenvalley
Wouldn't be surprised if one of the twins simply chose to leave the path rather than get into an inevitable conflict with their twin sibling.
「双子の片方が、どうしても双子の兄弟と争いになるくらいなら、自ら道を外れる道を選んだとしても全然驚かない」ってマジでそれな…しんどすぎるッ!そういう選択、ありえるよな…エモい。感情くん
AceSoldia
Yeah this
そうだね普通くん
drunkenvalley
...It does occur to me now that there's no guarantee Yuru's edge of the shadow realm is the same at all, nor any guarantee it operates by the same rules in the first place.
あっ、てか今気づいたんだけどさ、ユルの影の世界の端っこって、同じかどうかもわかんないし、そもそも同じルールで動いてる保証もないんだよね笑ギャル
xnef1025
Yeah, lots of opposites going on between the twins. Seal is probably not gonna be nearly as welcoming as Break.
せやな、双子でまっっったく正反対やな。Breakと違ってSealは絶対にフレンドリーじゃないやろwww2ちゃん
EXusiai99
It is explicitly stated that Yuru would have gone to Seal's place instead of Break's upon death
ユルは死んだらブレイクのところじゃなくてシールのところに行くってはっきり言われてたんだよね普通くん
drunkenvalley
To the extent that Break knows, yes. But even holding that to be true, they can be radically different places with entirely different rules.
ブレイクが知ってる限りではそうやね。でもそれが事実だとしても、ルールが全然違う別世界って可能性もあるンゴwww2ちゃん
Golden_Phi
原文
actually having evidence of it going wrong With how messed up the current twins' situation is, it's possible that the previous twin simply chose not to return from the dead. But if Yuru got into the habit of fighting reckless and got killed, it would be hard for him to break that habit on his last life. Now that Dera has shown his face to the Kagemori clan, does this mean he can freely grow his facial hair again? Isn't hiding form the Kagemori clan the entire reason they got "married" in the first place? Now that they are in the open I expect a divorce.
確かに今の双子の状況がめちゃくちゃなのを見ると、前の双子は単に蘇るのを選ばなかった可能性もあるよね。でもユルが無謀な戦いに慣れて死んだら、最後の人生でその癖を直すのは難しいだろうな。 - デラが影森組に顔を見せたってことは、もう自由にヒゲを伸ばせるってこと? - そもそも影森組から身を隠すために「結婚」したんだろ? - 正体がバレた今、離婚もあり得るな。普通くん
HornedTurtle1212
I thought it was so they wouldn't draw attention from the neighbors by having a single father move into the neighborhood. They probably still want their home base to be hidden as much as possible, so not standing out makes sense.
なるほどな。単身赴任の父親が引っ越してきたって近所に思わせるためってわけか。拠点は極力バレたくないから、目立たない方がいいってのは納得やわ。2ちゃん
BosuW
Spy x Family again
スパイファミリーまたかよッ!もうエモすぎるんだが!感情くん
Frostbitten_Moose
Now I want to see some cosplay fanart. Deru as Lloyd, Hana as Yor, and the wakuwaku masterpiece of Yuru as Anya.
やばくね!?これコスプレファンアート見たすぎるんだけど!デルがロイドで、ハナがヨルで、ユルがアーニャってまじで最強じゃん!?ギャル
ryuujin95
Right: "What does 'Borf' mean, and why are you trying to get me to say it?"
「『Borf』ってどういう意味? なんで俺に言わせようとしてるんだ?」普通くん
Frostbitten_Moose
Better than Left. Which reminds me, toss in Asa Desmond with Gabby and Jin as her flunkies.
マジでLeftよりこっちの方が好き!てか思い出したんだけど、GabbyとJinを子分にしたAsa Desmondも混ぜてほしいんだけど笑ギャル
ryuujin95
Good calls there. Left can be Sherwood.
確かに。左はシャーウッドでいいんじゃないかな。普通くん
Malin_Keshar
It's pretty obvious that the "pretend marriage" is not a cover but a...wishful thinking? from Dera. And considering his skill set and a much better...ah, acting range? than the one Statham usually displays in his roles (with some exceptions), I'd be amazed (in a bad way) if the pretend marriage doesn't turn real even before the story's final act.
なるほど。「偽装結婚」は単なるカモフラージュではなく、デラの願望が反映されたものという考察は面白い。彼のスキルセットや、普段スタサムが見せる演技の幅(例外もあるが)を考慮すると、この偽装結婚が物語の終盤を待たずに現実のものにならなければ、逆に驚きだと言わざるを得ない。考察くん
Olddirtychurro
How his pops handled that gave me a Ratatouille flashback to Eddard Stark. It wasn't one to one but the vibes were the exact same as how he was with his kids for the first couple of episodes.
確かに。父親のあの対応見てると、エダード・スタークを思い出したわ。完全に同じってわけじゃないけど、最初の数話での子供たちへの接し方と雰囲気がそっくりだった。普通くん
HornedTurtle1212
Did the kidnappers even know for sure what break would do?
あの誘拐犯たち、ブレイクの能力のことマジでちゃんと知ってたんかな?やばくね笑ギャル
NanDemoKnaives
They probably weren't given full information.
ワイらに全部の情報与えられてないっぽいンゴねぇ2ちゃん
nqtoan1994
The last pair of twins awakened to the power was from 400 years ago, and the Break daemon even said that the myth was less correct over the time. So I doubt if there are currently any villagers that knew exact what Break and Seal can do, except that those powers can rule the world.
最後に双子の力が覚醒したのは400年前で、しかもブレイク悪魔自身が「伝説は時間と共に正確さを失った」と語っていた。このことから考えると、現在の村人たちでブレイクとシールの正確な能力を知る者はいないのではないか。世界を支配できる力だという漠然とした認識だけが残っているという考察ができる。考察くん
Thomas_JCG
They probably knew as much as Tadera explained, the power to break anything. They just forgot the detail that people break too.
多分タデラが説明した程度の「何でも壊せる力」って認識だったんだろうな。ただ「人も壊れちゃう」って細かい部分を忘れてただけだと思う。普通くん
ichigosr5
原文
Yuru's flashback really shows why he doesn't behave in the way that we would naturally expect him to. Yuru's Father: "Calm down, analyze the situation, and determine what you should do." These are the words that seem to have shaped Yuru's personality since he was a kid. I also noticed that the breathing technique Yuru's father taught him is exactly what Yuru did right before he decided not to kill Jin at the end of Episode 4. It seems that when Yuru has a certain goal in mind, his instincts lead him to shut out most of his emotions and focus entirely on that singular goal. And right now, his one goal is to find his parents and question them.
ユルの回想シーンは、彼がなぜ我々が当然期待するような行動を取らないのかを如実に示している。ユルの父:「落ち着け、状況を分析し、自分が何をすべきか判断しろ」。この言葉こそが、幼少期からユルの人格を形成してきたと思われる。また、ユルの父が教えた呼吸法が、第4話終盤でユルがジンを殺さないと決断する直前に行った動作と完全に一致している点も興味深い。どうやらユルは特定の目標を定めると、本能がほとんどの感情を遮断し、その単一の目標に全集中するらしい。そして今、彼の唯一の目標は両親を見つけて問い詰めることだ。考察くん
Myrkrvaldyr
原文
These are the words that seem to have shaped Yuru's personality since he was a kid. His calm behavior during battle and the ease with which he can kill people have been shaped by experience and his father's words. No wonder the Kagemoris had a hard time fighting him. Unless you live in a region of the world where child soldiers are a thing, people like Yuru in modern Japan are an anomaly. Part of me wants to see how Yuru would fare in high school. He'd legit cripple bullies for life, if not outright kill them.
幼い頃からユルの人格形成に影響与えてる言葉やな。戦闘中の落ち着きっぷりとか平気で人殺しできるのは、経験と父親の言葉で培われたんやろ。影森がユル相手に苦戦したのも納得やわ。現代日本じゃ子供兵士がいる地域でもない限り、ユルみたいな奴は異端やで。ワイはユルが高校行ったらどうなるか見てみたいンゴねえ。マジでいじめっ子を半殺しどころか殺しかねんやろなwww2ちゃん
HornedTurtle1212
Highschool has to be the next arc!
次は絶対高校編だよね!普通くん
Frostbitten_Moose
That would have some real Full Metal Panic flashbacks there.
それってフルメタル・パニックのフラッシュバックがヤバすぎるッ!!感情くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
Hell of a thing to have a skill unlock upon death. Asa basically got thrust into all that mess too. I still don’t know who to even trust in this thing. Everyone has secrets and both sides have their own agenda…
死んだらスキル解放ってマジかよ。アサもあのめちゃくちゃに巻き込まれちゃったしな。この作品、誰を信じていいのかまだわかんねえや。みんな秘密抱えてるし、どっちの陣営にも思惑があるしな…普通くん
AceSoldia
I don't trust either side. I see why Asa is the way she is at least..she didn't have this power the entire time..still getting used to it...she probably hadn't killed anyone till a year ago.
どっちの陣営も信用できないって感じ〜。でもアサが今みたいな感じなのもわかるっしょ!ずっとその力持ってたわけじゃないし、まだ慣れてないだけなんだよね…1年前までは多分誰も殺したことなかったんだろうし。ギャル
haganbmj
I enjoy that the series hasn't presented one side as being better than the other, they each have their own schemes, motivations, and messed up ideas so Yuru is still just gathering information to figure out where he stands.
このシリーズ、どっちかが正義って描き方じゃないのがいいよね。それぞれに思惑や動機、歪んだ考えがあって、ユルはまだ自分の立ち位置を決めるために情報集めてる感じだね。普通くん
Golden_Phi
It sounds like everyone is evil and the twins have to somehow survive with all these evil factions fighting over them.
マジで全員悪すぎるッ!双子はこんなクソみたいな勢力に追われまくってるのに生き残らなきゃいけないの?しんどすぎる泣いた感情くん
Olddirtychurro
What I like is how Yuru also thinks to himself that there's something fishy going on. And as to what that Daemon in the shadow realm said (I just realised Asa literally got sent to the shadow realm) is that she will collect people around her that will try to use her abilities, so I don't think that she fully trusts the Kagemori clan neither. Man, I'm so glad I got a show from Arakawa sensei again.
ユルも「なんか怪しいな」って思ってるのがいいよね。あと影の世界のデーモン(アサが文字通り影の世界に飛ばされたって今気づいた)が言ってた「自分の能力を利用しようとする人々を集める」って話からすると、アサもカゲモリ一族を完全には信じてないんじゃないかな。荒川先生の作品がまた見られて本当に嬉しいわ。普通くん
wutfacer
She seems like she really trusts some of them at least, like Jin and Gabby (does Gabby have a surname?). Presumably many of them have been putting their lives at risk to protect her from assassins for a while now
少なくともジンやギャビー(ギャビーに名字ってあるのかな?)といった一部のメンバーに対しては、彼女がかなり信頼を寄せているように見える。おそらく彼らの多くは、しばらくの間、暗殺者から彼女を守るために命を懸けてきたんだろうな。この信頼関係は、彼らが共に戦ってきた時間の長さを物語っていると思われる。考察くん
DaRootbear
I mean i feel like Gabbys last name is obviously Elric.
ギャビーの名字は明らかにエルリックだと思うんだよね。普通くん
okiknow2004
That's how she got her color scheme. When they showed Arakawa the T-shirt design for Gabby, she was confused that even though she has never drawn Gabby in color before, they decided that this short, braided hair, long coat-wearing character would have blonde hair and red coat.
草ァ!色指定がTシャツから来てるってガチなんかwww 荒川先生「おいおい描いたことないのに何で金髪と赤コートやねん」って困惑してて草 でも結果的にめっちゃハマってるやん、さすがやで2ちゃん
DaRootbear
The little short comic arakawa did about that at the end of one of the volumes had me cracking up. Her assistants being like “what do you mean you didn’t actually intend for her to be Fem!Ed???” Was the funniest thing in the series and it wasnt even a direct thing
荒川が巻末で描いてたあの短い漫画、めっちゃ笑ったわ。アシスタントが「え、まさか彼女が女版エドって意図してなかったの!?」ってツッコむシーン、本編じゃないのにシリーズで一番面白かったわ。普通くん
DaRootbear
Cracks me up every time.
毎回笑いが止まらなさすぎるッ!感情くん
FetchFrosh
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lingeringwill2
Daemon in the shadow realm said They said the thing!
影の領域のデーモンが「あいつら言ったぞ!」って言ってたな普通くん
lordposedyon
Feels like some bad guys in the whole group situation, more than whole organization being bad. I'm not talking about the village though. Village seems bad.
村全体が悪ってより、グループ内にいる一部の悪党連中って感じやな。いや、村は別やけどな。村はガチでヤバそうやろwww2ちゃん
Maybe_this_time_fr
Village seems bad. Just remember so far, it's just story from the Kagemori side.
村ヤバそうだな。でも今のところは影森側の話だけってのを忘れちゃいけないね。普通くん
lordposedyon
The flashbacks from Yuru does not help either.
ユルの回想シーン、まじで助けになんないじゃん!笑ギャル
Interesting_Baker410
Yeah, I was wondering whether the Village is benevolent but the way people, especially the Granny was expecting for something to have happened to Yuru and the way the kidnappers said that he has been brainwashed by the Village makes me think they are bad.
村が善性かどうか気になってたんだけど、特にババアがユルに何かあったと思ってる感じとか、誘拐犯たちが「村に洗脳されてる」って言ってたの見ると、やっぱり悪い方なんじゃないかな。普通くん
Maybe_this_time_fr
You're not making any sense. How is the village worse than the Kagemori? Yuru's dad told him to not talk about it because they don't know who's listening. I get that you're trying to justify liking the Kagemori but really?
いや、それはちょっと論理が飛躍しすぎじゃないか?村と影守を同列に語るのは無理がある。ユルの父が「誰が聞いてるか分からないから話すな」と言ったのは、村の内情に触れる危険性を考慮しての行動だ。影守を擁護したい気持ちは分かるが、それを正当化する根拠としては弱い。村の構造と影守の役割は根本的に異なるという考察ができる。考察くん
lordposedyon
Who said I like Kagemori? You are jumping into conclusion, rather than me stating a fact.
いやいや、誰がカゲモリ好きって言ったんだよ!俺が事実を述べてるだけなのに勝手に決めつけすぎじゃないッ!?感情くん
Maybe_this_time_fr
Your argument of the Village just being bad while Kagemori might have a few bad apples is not helping you buddy. Don't fall for the Kagemori propaganda.
いやいやそれおかしくない!?村全体が悪いって言うのは無理あるし、逆にKagemoriにちょっと悪いヤツがいるだけって主張も説得力ゼロじゃん。Kagemoriのプロパガンダに騙されないでよ~マジで笑ギャル
lordposedyon
Jesus christ brother, did you watch too many news lately? Organization might have few bad people does not mean I like the rest. That's you reaching. Looks like you need to learn a few things.
おいおいおい、兄貴、最近ニュース見すぎやろ?組織に多少のクズがいるからって残り全員好きじゃないってわけじゃないンゴwww それはお前の飛躍やわ。もう少し勉強したほうがええで。2ちゃん
Maybe_this_time_fr
And you need to learn some reading comprehension.
お前こそ読解力つけたほうがいいと思うよ。普通くん
lordposedyon
Sure buddy, as long as it helps you, I will gladly
せやな、お前のためになるならワイも喜んでやるで2ちゃん
_WrongKarWai
Equivalent Exchange again! The author loves Equivalent Exchange
また等価交換!この作者、等価交換が好きすぎるだろ普通くん
strange_wilds
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I mean Elric brothers among others gained their special skill of not needing a Transmutation circle after they lost their respective things from attempting [Fullmetal alchemist] human transmutation for resurrection Arakawa’s love for grey area morals, pairs/twins, mystical figures outside of human understanding, and an “equivalent exchange” set up is very evident here. Speaking of the mystical figure, the Daemon for Break and her Domain is just dripping in being unnerving but so cool.
確かにエルリック兄弟は【鋼の錬金術師】で人体錬成を試みた結果、それぞれ何かを失ったことで錬成陣不要の特殊技能を得たわけだが、荒川氏の「グレーゾーンな道徳観」「対・双子」「人間の理解を超えた神秘的存在」への愛着、そして「等価交換」の設定が本作でも色濃く反映されていると考察できる。特にブレイクの使い魔とその領域は、不気味さを醸しつつも非常にクールなデザインだ。考察くん
OldInstruction5368
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The answer is neither, obviously. Do you really think the Kages are taking Asa in out of the goodness of their hearts? That they just accept the target on their backs and all the collateral damage that comes with it just out of compassion for Asa's circumstance? Jin casually admitted to being a goddamn terrorist, amongst the other dirty jobs the Kages ask of him, and the others kill and torture without hesitation. As others have said, this is a "Crazy Cult Vs Yakuza, fighting with daemons." At best, we are looking at "Grey Vs Gray," or "Black Vs Grey." But there are definitely no good factions we've seen so far.
答えなんてどっちでもねえだろ。影たちがアサを純粋な善意で引き取ってると思ってんの?背負うリスクや巻き添えの被害を、ただアサの境遇に同情して受け入れてるとか?ジンはテロリストって認めてるし、影たちに頼まれて汚い仕事もやってんだ。他の連中も殺しや拷問を躊躇なくやる。誰かも言ってたけど、これ「狂ったカルトvsヤクザの悪魔バトル」だろ。よくて「グレーvsグレー」か「黒vsグレー」。今んとこ正義の陣営なんてどこにもねえよ。2ちゃん
Malin_Keshar
Correct. Bit Id take yakuza over cultists any day. They are not nice, but they are also not insane
それな!ヤクザの方がカルト信者よりマシじゃね?笑 優しくはないけど、まともって感じ〜ギャル
CosmicDestructor
I feel like this is one of those situations where the twins really only have each other. Everyone else is using them to some degree or another. Even Left and Right have their own agendas.
この双子にとって、本当に頼れるのはお互いだけなんだろうな。他のみんなは何かしら利用してる感じがする。左右でさえ自分の目的があるしね。普通くん
bananeeek
Hell of a thing to have a skill unlock upon death. Feels like most isekai shows, if you think about it...
死んだらスキル解放ってガチでエグいやんwww 考えてみたら異世界転生モンと変わらんくね?草2ちゃん
nqtoan1994
Half-isekai. Asa was sent back with power instead of being sent to another world.
半分異世界転生だね。アサは別世界に飛ばされる代わりに、力を持って戻ってきた感じ。普通くん
antiukap
That's just sekai
「それただのセカイやんwww」2ちゃん
Maybe_this_time_fr
Honestly, both sides are all kinds of wrong. The Higashi is sus af and the Kagemori have been shown and proven to be a bunch of psychopaths (eg Gabi). Asa's the only Kagemori I'm cool with.
正直、どっちの陣営も色々おかしいよね。ヒガシは怪しすぎるし、カゲモリはガビみたいなサイコパスばっかりって証明されてるし。アサだけはカゲモリの中でも信頼できるな。普通くん
Jacob-C
The only characters I trust are Yuru and, by extension, Left and Right
ユルと左・右だけは信用できるわ。他の連中は怪しすぎるンゴwww2ちゃん
Vautiko
You can't have darkness without the light, but Gabby's unadulterated massacre of the villagers was pure evil, and she deserves retribution cast upon her.
光がなければ闇は存在しないけど、ギャビーが村民を無差別に虐殺したのは完全に悪だし、彼女には報いが来るべきだと思う。普通くん
runevault
So got one answer I asked for last week right away. Seal will require Yuru to 'die' to gain it. And they did explicitly kill her for this to happen. Yeah fuck the village. But it looks like she didn't lose her eye, she's covering the sign of Break. lol of course Asa would be excited to have Breakfast with Brother. I love how much of a bro-con she is. It is adorable.
なるほど、先週の疑問が早速解決したな。封印を得るにはユルが“死ぬ”必要があると。実際に彼女を殺して発動させたわけか。村はマジでクソだな。でも目は失ってないみたいだ。ブレイクの印を隠してるだけか。ああ、やっぱりアサは兄と朝食を共にするのが嬉しくて仕方ないんだな。彼女のブラコンっぷりが愛おしい。この伏線の張り方、制作陣の意図がよく読める。考察くん
Eunuchest
I still dont get one thing. The higashi village sent assassins to kill Asa to acquire Break but have done nothing to Yuru all that time when he was in the village. They're only trying to kill him NOW. Why?
確かにそこは気になるな。東の村はアサを殺してブレイクを手に入れようと刺客を送ってたのに、ユルが村にいる間は何もしなかったんだよね。今になってようやく殺そうとしてるのはなぜだろう?普通くん
somersault_dolphin
Bandits Can't exactly try to kill directly if they want him to be loyal to the village.
山賊「村に忠誠心持たせたいなら直接殺すわけにいかねェ」ってか?草2ちゃん
Zeph-Shoir
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OH SHIT That is why the father insisted on not mentioning the bandit attacks, heck that is why they escaped right after! That is what he whispered to his wife "the village sent a bandit to kill Yuru"! Now I am even more curious as to why they left Yuru behind, there probably simply were unable to take him too, and the village probably thought it was too risky to try and kill Yuru to awaken his power when it isnt a guarantee and they had lost his sister.
うわマジか!だから父親が盗賊襲撃の話を触れさせるなって言ってたんだな、っていうかすぐ逃げ出したのも納得。奥さんに囁いた「村がユルを殺すために盗賊を送ったんだ」ってあれか!でもなんでユルだけ置いて逃げたのか気になるな…たぶん連れて行けなかったんだろうし、村としては妹を失った時点でユルの力を無理に覚醒させるリスクを冒せなかったんだろうね。普通くん
tweetthebirdy
Also suspicious when Yuru mentioned being worried the bandit's friends might attack the village and his father was very cold in saying "no they won't."
え、ユルが「盗賊の仲間が村襲いに来るかも」って心配してた時、父親がめっちゃ冷たく「来ねぇよ」って言ったのやばくね!?絶対怪しいじゃん!笑ギャル
somersault_dolphin
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Based on their attempts so far, it seems they only care about the power. The two assassins that killed Asa outright said they had the brother brainwashed/indoctrinated. Also the fact they're trying to kill him and Asa tells me they might have a method to steal Break and Seal Or, you know, force them to work for their side? They want the twins dead because if the twins aren't dead that means no power. Also, it's said they are the first twins in 400 years. No one's been alive that long to know how things really work in detail is the most likely.
今までの行動見る限り、彼らは力だけが目的みたいだね。アサを殺した二人の暗殺者はハッキリ「兄は洗脳済み」って言ってたし。それに二人を殺そうとしてるってことは、ブレイクとシールを奪う方法があるか、強制的に自分たちの陣営で働かせるつもりなんじゃないかな。双子を殺したいのは、生きてたら力が手に入らないからだと思う。あと、400年ぶりの双子って言われてるけど、細かい仕組みを詳しく知ってる人間はもう生きてないってのが一番ありそう。普通くん
OldInstruction5368
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There is another explanation: the village is not united under Granny. We have evidence of three separate factions linked to Higashi village. Granny was horrified that the twins were born and does not want them to awaken to their powers. She seems more likely to kill the twins off, permanently, than let them ever use their powers. Then the ones that killed Asa said they wanted to exploit her power to take over the underworld. These people are clearly not working with the Granny who wishes to suppress or erase the twins. Finally, we have the Tadera clan. Nominally retainers of the Granny, but they don't seem to be working for her. Dera nad Hana seem to be acting on their own to keep Yuru away from the other Higashi factions atm. That Granny does NOT want the twins to use their powers explains why he Yuru wasn't killed. The bandit could be someone that wanted to exploit the twins or took an even more hardcore stance than the Granny (kill permanently to erase chance of ever awakening.) But if that was the Granny's true stance... it's very cold that the father would leave Yuru behind in the Granny's control. Really, this is my main question so far: he knew his children were in danger, but left his son both ignorant and alone. Why?
別の解釈を提示したい。村は婆の下で一枚岩ではない。東の村に関連する3つの派閥の存在が確認できる。婆は双子の誕生に恐怖し、彼らが力に目覚めることを望んでいない。どちらかと言えば、力を行使させるくらいなら双子を永久に抹殺する方に傾いていると思われる。一方で朝を殺した連中は彼女の力を利用して冥界を支配しようとしていた。これらの者たちは明らかに、双子を抑圧・抹消しようとする婆とは協力関係にない。最後に田寺一族がいる。名目上は婆の家臣だが、彼女のために動いているようには見えない。デラとハナは独自に行動し、ユルを他の東の派閥から遠ざけているようだ。婆が双子の力の発現を望んでいないからこそ、ユルが殺されなかった理由が説明できる。山賊は双子を利用しようとした者か、婆より過激な立場(永久抹殺で覚醒の可能性そのものを絶つ)を取った者かもしれない。しかし、もしそれが婆の本心なら…父親がユルを婆の支配下に置き去りにしたのは非常に冷酷だ。これが現時点での最大の疑問点だ:父親は子供たちが危険に晒されていると知りながら、なぜ息子を無知で孤独なまま置き去りにしたのか?考察くん
Hijack5996
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> We have evidence of three separate factions linked to Higashi village. Granny was horrified that the twins were born and does not want them to awaken to their powers. She seems more likely to kill the twins off, permanently, than let them ever use their powers. Nah, Granny was the one that wanted the twins to be born according to the day and night prophecy. In episode 1, she deliberately made Yuru and Asa's mom delay Asa's birth until daytime. It was their father that was horrified about the kids' circumstances.
東村に関係する三つの派閥の証拠があるね。おばあちゃんは双子が生まれたことにショックを受けてて、彼らが能力に目覚めるのを望んでない。むしろ能力を使わせるくらいなら永久に殺しちゃいそうだな。いや、おばあちゃんは昼夜の予言に従って双子が生まれることを望んでたんだよ。1話でユルとアサの母親にアサの出産を昼まで遅らせたのは彼女だし。子供たちの状況に恐怖してたのは父親の方だったんだ。普通くん
somersault_dolphin
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Granny was horrified that the twins were born and does not want them to awaken to their powers That definitely doesn't seem like the case. If anything she seems like the spearhead for wanting to kill them for power. her reactions to the bandit and the dad's caution around her heavily implies she's the one who ordered the bandit attack. Tadera clan This one seems like a separate faction from granny because they are one of the ones that left the village to live in the modern world. From the village's perspective Dera was the traveling merchant. He also seems to have less info on the twins and the history compared to others involved. but left his son both ignorant and alone Plenty could go wrong in an escape attempt that wouldn't let them take two kids with them.
婆さん、双子が生まれたことにビビってて力覚醒させたくないって言ってたけど、絶対違うわ。むしろ力欲しさに殺そうとしてる張本人やろ。山賊襲撃の時の反応と親父が婆さんに警戒してる様子見るに、山賊襲撃の黒幕は婆さんやな。 - タデラ一族は婆さんとは別勢力っぽい。村出て現代社会で生きてる一派やし、村から見たらデラは行商人やった。 - デラは他の関係者より双子と歴史についての情報少なそうやけど、息子を無知で孤独なまま放置してる。 - 脱出時に子供2人連れて行くのは色々リスクありすぎやろ。2ちゃん
ichigosr5
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The higashi village sent assassins to kill Asa to acquire Break but have done nothing to Yuru all that time when he was in the village. They're only trying to kill him NOW. Why? The village is surrounded by a barrier that prevents people from getting in, and the only people who know how to get through it are people associated with Higashi Village. This would suggest that the "bandit" that tried to kill Yuru was actually and assassin related to the village.
東の里はアサを殺してブレイクを手に入れるために刺客を送ったのに、ユルが里にいた間は何もしてこなかったんだよね。今になってようやく殺そうとしてる。なぜか?里は外部の人間が入れない結界で囲まれていて、通り抜ける方法を知ってるのは東の里関係者だけ。つまりユルを殺そうとした「山賊」も実は里関連の刺客だったってことになるね。普通くん
ichigosr5
The issue with that is when he comes back to life, he would be less likely to trust them. It makes more sense to have an "outsider" kill him.
確かに!生き返ったら絶対に仲間のこと信用しなくなるじゃん?笑 だから「部外者」に殺させる方が合理的っての、めっちゃわかるわ〜ギャル
ichigosr5
I believe the assassins that attacked the Kagemori manor were a 3rd party, not assassins from the village. Asa and multiple other members all noted that this attack was different from the others.
確かに、襲撃してきた刺客は村から来たんじゃなくて、第三勢力だと思う。アサや他のメンバーも今回の攻撃は今までと違うって言ってたしね。普通くん
Zonca
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The attackers themselves seemed to be independent contractors/mercenaries, and pretty weak ones at that. Other than the Katana guy who dipped, he might belong to either faction. But since they attacked right as they got in the mansion, and it was mentioned multiple times other factions inside the Kagemori faction might want to harm the twins, its likely someone from the inside hastily put together the attack. The Azuma guy is so suspicious it actualy makes him less suspicious lmao
襲撃者どもはフリーの傭兵やろな、しかもかなり雑魚やった。刀男だけは逃げたからどっかの派閥所属かもしれんけど。でも屋敷入ってすぐ襲撃かかってきたし、何度も「影森派内部に双子を狙う派閥がいる」って言われてたから、内部の誰かが急ごしらえで集めたんやろな。東って奴が怪しすぎて逆に怪しくないンゴwww2ちゃん
ichigosr5
Jin said the village sent them No he didn't. They specifically said they have no idea who sent them, which is why they've been questioning the people who attacked, but all of them said they don't know who hired them.
ジンが「村が送り込んだ」って言った?いや、彼はそんなこと言ってない。彼らは「誰が送り込んだか全く分からない」と明確に述べていて、だから襲撃者たちを尋問しているんだ。でも全員が「誰に雇われたか知らない」と答えている。この辺りの情報の食い違い、伏線の可能性が高いな。考察くん
Eunuchest
Huh, it seems i misread that part. I stand corrected
え、それ私も間違って読んでたわ!訂正サンキュ!笑ギャル
WeebTheAnimeGod
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Because as far as they know Yuru was and is still in their control. Once Asa and her parents fled the village, the village could not have been clueless as to why they fled. They lost an asset. They needed to, at the very least, prevent her from being taken by a rival. Until very recently, Yuru was theirs entirely. Trapped by a fake Asa and free to continually be manipulated. He relied on the Village entirely. And we learned that dying isn't a guarantee of getting the power. They were probably hesitant. And even though he is off the mountain now, they believe he fled with Tadera and would be safely in the hands of a Higashi village agent. They probably assume he will be back and haven't specifically targetted him yet I don't think the village even knows Yuru is learning these nasty secrets.
せやな、村からすればユルは今も自分らの支配下にあると思ってるんやろ。アサと両親が村を出てった理由も村は察してるはず。アサって資産を失ったわけやし、せめてライバルに奪われるのだけは防ぎたかったんや。つい最近までユルは完全に村の手中で、偽アサに騙されて操作され放題やった。村に依存しまくりやったしな。それに死んでも力継承されるとは限らんってわかってから、村も慎重になってるんやろ。今は山を下りたとはいえ、タデラと逃げて東村のエージェントの手に渡ったと思われてる。そのうち戻ってくるやろってタカくくってて、まだ本格的に狙われてないんちゃうか。村がユルがヤバい秘密知ってること自体、気づいてないと思うわ。2ちゃん
Ashlynx99
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Apart of me is curious if they were trying to stage an accident/incident that happened would awaken him. Rewatching the first episode, this could all be over analysis of course and not be intentional lol: his friend is disappointed he was left behind, when Yuru went hunting. Same friend is scolded by his mom for getting separated from Yuru. An older adult was asking for help with preparing for the storm. Yuru’s lone wolf demeanor probably saved him more than he realized, and I’m curious if there were more incidents like the bandits that didn’t work out as intended.
最初のエピソード見直すと、確かに事故や事件を装ってユルを目覚めさせようとしてたのかもなって思うところある。まあ深読みしすぎかもしんないけど笑。狩りに置いてかれて落ち込む友達とか、ユルとはぐれて母親に叱られるシーンとか、嵐の準備を手伝ってほしいって頼んでくる大人とか。ユルの一匹狼スタイルが結果的に彼を守ってたんだろうな。他にも山賊みたいな意図通りにいかなかった事件があったのか気になる。普通くん
Eunuchest
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Brainwashing Yuru from a young age into killing himself with a ritualistic sacrifice for good harvest makes more sense than whatever they've done so far. They sent assassins even when they know he's under the protection of Dera who is allied with the village. The only reasonble explanation i can think of is there's probably a zealous faction in the village who's more willing to resort to any means to get Break and Seal and couldnt care less about pretenses
なるほど。幼少期からユルに洗脳を施し、「豊作のための儀式的生贄として自害させる」という設定は、現状の展開より遥かに筋が通っているという考察ができるな。村と同盟を結んだデラの保護下にあると知りながら刺客を送る行動も、ブレイクとシールを手に入れるためなら手段を選ばず、体裁すら気にしない過激派一派の存在を推測させる。この伏線、制作陣は意図的に散りばめていると思われる。考察くん
Zeph-Shoir
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Brainwashing Yuru from a young age into killing himself with a ritualistic sacrifice for good harvest makes more sense than whatever they've done so far. Either the parents would have heavily opposed or a ritual sacrifice is crazy even for their standards They sent assassins even when they know he's under the protection of Dera who is allied with the village. As far as we know these were sent by a 3rd party
幼い頃からユルを洗脳して儀式的な生贄に捧げるって話、今までの展開よりは筋が通ってる気がするな。親が猛反対するか、儀式の生贄自体が異常すぎるって話になるはずなのに。デラの保護下にあるって分かってて刺客送るとか、村と同盟組んでるのに。現状は第三勢力の仕業っぽいね。普通くん
Eunuchest
As far as we know these were sent by a 3rd party Yeah, i stand corrected on that
あ、マジか!第3者から送られたってことね。確かにその通りだわ、私の勘違いだったわ〜ごめん!ギャル
is-this-a-nick
No, it would not make sense, because if you brainwash him into being suicidal, how can he have the mindset to be a useful weapon for the village if his power awakens? Having a false flag attack kill him by "outsiders" would be perfect deniability.
確かにそれは無理があるよね。もし自殺するように洗脳したら、力が覚醒した時に村の武器として役立つ精神状態じゃなくなるじゃん。「外部の敵」による偽旗攻撃で殺すのが一番言い訳が立ちそうだね。普通くん
Eunuchest
Not that sort of brainwashing More like make him believe or condition his mind to do a make believe village custom simply by lying that the ritual is necessary
「そういう洗脳じゃなくて、儀式が必要だって嘘ついて信じ込ませるタイプの洗脳か…村の風習ってことにして条件づけしちゃう感じね。エモすぎるッ!」感情くん
runevault
It is a bit weird. Getting her back makes sense. Killing her to get break without doing anything to ensure her cooperation doesn't make sense though. Curious if we'll learn more about Grandma's thinking later.
確かに少し違和感があるな。彼女を取り戻すのは筋が通るんだが、協力を確実にする手段も取らずに殺して決別するのは論理的に整合性が取れない。祖母の思考回路について後で更に掘り下げがあるか気になる所だ。考察くん
Obvious_Escape_7223
You're right, it doesn't actually make sense. I think they were likely going rogue. These two were pretty dumb, unless there is something we don't know about how these powers work when activated.
それな!確かに意味わかんないじゃん笑 多分あの2人、勝手に動いてたんじゃない?バカすぎだよね〜。でもこの能力、発動時の仕組みにまだ知らない秘密があるのかもね!ギャル
SwordoftheMourn
Or those assassins weren’t told the entire information and only what they need to know. The last twins to be born with that prophecy happened 400 years ago so information on how the powers work or that they can be instantly used without training was muddled or lost in translation over the centuries.
なるほど、あの暗殺者たちには必要な情報だけが伝えられていて、全体像は伏せられていたんだな。400年前に最後の双子がその予言と共に生まれてから、力の仕組みや訓練なしで即座に使えるという情報は、数世紀の間に歪められたり失われたりしたという考察ができる。考察くん
OldInstruction5368
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If you haven't picked up on it by now... neither faction are monolithic. When the attack on the Kage's happened, Jin and the others assumed they were being attacked by a different faction within their greater clan. I get the same vibe from Higashi village. Dera is supposed to be a retainer of the village, but he is also keeping Yuru away from the Granny. Then there was the bandit and those that killed Asa. The former may or may not have been sent by the Granny, but those who slit Asa's throat said they wanted to "control the underworld" with her power. That... doesn't sound like something that Higashi village is after? Like... the hateful Granny did NOT want the twins to be born. She was horrified as the mother gave birth near dawn and wanted to delay the birth long enough to avoid the prophecy. Then she kept Asa locked up and Yuru ignorant: Granny does not want their powers awakened. Other factions within the village want to exploit the twins. This is a pretty messy situation with factions within factions and generally Grey vs Gray morality.
もう気づいてるとは思うけど…どっちの陣営も一枚岩じゃないンゴ。影襲撃の時も、ジンたちは同族内の別派閥に襲われたと思ってたしな。東の村も同じ感じやろ。デラは村の家来のハズやのに、ユルを婆さんから遠ざけてるし。あと盗賊とアサ殺した連中。前者は婆さんの差金かも知れんが、アサの喉切った奴らは「彼女の力で地下世界を支配したい」とか言ってたンゴwww。それって東の村の目的とは違うくね? 憎しみに満ちた婆さんは双子が生まれるのを望んでなかった。夜明け近くに出産するのを嫌がってたし、予言を避けるために出産を遅らせようとしてた。それでアサは監禁、ユルは無知のまま放置:婆さんは双子の力が覚醒するのを望んでない。村の他の派閥は双子を利用しようとしてる。もう派閥の中に派閥があって、グレーvsグレーのモラルでめちゃくちゃややこしい状況やな。2ちゃん
is-this-a-nick
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Like... the hateful Granny did NOT want the twins to be born. She was horrified as the mother gave birth near dawn and wanted to delay the birth long enough to avoid the prophecy. You got that the wrong way round, its all grannys fault to begin with! In the prologue, one baby was already in their fathers hand and Granny insisted the mother to hold back the 2nd baby until after sunrise! Without Granny, both twins would have been born at night, so no prophecy.
なるほど、興味深い考察だな。つまり、あの憎たらしいババアは双子が生まれるのを望んでいなかった、という解釈か。母親が夜明け近くに出産したことに恐怖し、予言を回避するために出産を遅らせようとした、と。確かにプロローグを振り返ると、一人目の赤子は既に父親の手にあったのに、ババアは二人目を日の出までこらえるよう母親に強要していた。そう考えると、ババアがいなければ双子は両方とも夜に生まれ、予言自体が成立しなかったわけだ。全てはババアの所業が発端という見方は、非常に理にかなっている。考察くん
Eunuchest
Yeah this is my hunch so far as well. Different factions within the factions
せやな、ワイもそんな感じやわ。派閥の中に更に別の派閥がいるパターンやな2ちゃん
OldInstruction5368
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Yeah, the Granny is very firmly "the twins are a mistake, we must keep them contained: through death if necessary." Others related to the village want to exploit them for personal profit. The Tadera clan is a wild card that doesn't seem to be in either of the other Higashi village camps. Then the Kagemori clan has unknown motivations, but it's pretty telling that Jin assumed faction infighting after repeatedly telling Yuru that Higashi village keeps sending assassins after Asa. So... despite being hounded by assassins left and right, when the twins are finally united... Jin assumes it's faction infighting and not another Higashi raid? The faction map is messy, and that's about all I can say other than "there are no good guys."
うん、婆さんは「双子は間違いだ、封じ込めるべきだ、必要なら死もやむなし」ってガチで考えてる感じだな。村の連中の中には自分たちの利益のために利用しようとする奴らもいる。忠田家は他の東村の派閥とは違う動きを見せてる未知数な存在だ。そして陰守家の目的は不明だけど、ジンがユルに「東村はアサに次々と刺客を送ってる」って言われた後に内部抗争を疑ったってのが結構な証拠だよな。つまり…あちこちから刺客に追われてるのに、双子がついに合体した時、ジンは東村からの襲撃じゃなくて内部抗争だと思ったってこと?派閥の構図はめちゃくちゃで、「善人は誰もいない」って以外に言えることはあんまりないな。普通くん
SomeTool
Granny was very much into the idea of the twins, as she was the one pushing in the first episode for the mother to have them at separate times.
おばあちゃん、双子のことにめっちゃこだわってたんだよね!第1話で母親に別々のタイミングで産めって押してたの、まさにそれじゃん!ギャル
Alter_Kyouma
That's what makes me believe the village itself may not have been the one trying to kill Asa. Maybe a separate faction inside the village. There is no reason granny would willingly let Asa get the power of Break when she isn't under her control. Doesn't add up.
なるほど、村全体というより村の中の別の派閥がアサを殺そうとしてる可能性があるってことか。婆さんが自分の支配下にないアサにブレイクの力をわざわざ与えるとは思えないし、辻褄が合わないんだよな。普通くん
AceSoldia
I'm guessing that we the people that killed Asa was a third party..I don't entirely but that it was village assassins. But if they were maybe they figured since she's out of their control she may as well be used to try and get break?
アサを殺したのは第三勢力だと思うんだよね。村の刺客説は完全には信じてない。でももし村の仕業だとしたら、彼女が制御不能になった以上、ブレイクを狙うために利用したって可能性も考えられる。考察くん
SomeTool
The assassins mentioned seeing her in the village, and knowing the village legends about her. Seems unlikely that at least her killers were a third party.
せやな、暗殺者どもが村で彼女見たって言ってたし、村の伝説も知ってたみたいやん。少なくとも殺した連中は第三者やないっぽいわな。2ちゃん
AceSoldia
Yeah true
確かに普通くん
y-c-c
That could just mean the assassin came from the village. It doesn't mean she's sent by the village. They were talking about ruling the underworld and stuff, and that seems way too petty of a goal. Sounds more like a rogue villager who left and one of those "who found job off the village and never came back" folks that you hear about in episode 1.
せやな、暗殺者が村出身ってだけで村が差し向けたとは限らんやろ。裏社会支配とか話してたし、村の目的にしてはスケール小さすぎやん。どっちかっちゅうと、第1話で出てきた「村を出てそのまま帰らんやつ」のパターンやろな。ワイもそう思うわ。2ちゃん
Googleflax
I will always love how carefully Yuru considers things like people's intentions or allegiances instead of just blinding trusting everything he hears.
ユルが人の意図や味方・敵を、聞いたことを鵜呑みにせず慎重に考えるところ、ずっと好きだわ。普通くん
ObsoletePixel
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Honestly it's the thing that's made me love this show as much as I have, it's nice having a shonen protagonist that is independently capable and uniquely rational? Not every shonen protag is an idiot (Deku is literally defined by his book-smarts, and Edward Elric is so smart it makes him downright abrasive), but there's a collectedness to Yuru that makes him just an absolute joy to follow as a POV character. Just a fantastically written show. Really cool seeing the stuff that Hiromu Arakawa has learned in the years since FMA
正直なところ、この作品をここまで好きになった理由はそこにある。独立して有能で、独特な合理性を持つ少年主人公って良いよな?全ての少年主人公がバカってわけじゃないけど(デクは本の知識で定義されるし、エドワード・エルリックは賢すぎてむしろ嫌味なくらいだ)、ユルには落ち着きがあって、視点キャラとして追うのが本当に楽しいんだ。本当に素晴らしい脚本の作品だよ。荒川弘が鋼の錬金術師以降に培ってきたものを感じられて、めちゃくちゃ興味深い。考察くん
Tamasukiide
Usually, works of fiction rely on misunderstandings to create tension, but not here lol
まじでこれ!普通の作品だとすれ違いでドラマ作るじゃん?でもこれにはそれがなくて逆に新鮮すぎ笑ギャル