LordVaderVader
Since there is an opportunity I just wanted to say that Left is super hot.
チャンスだし言っちゃうけど、左マジでイケメンすぎじゃない!?やばくね!?ギャル
zool714
And I love the gap moe of when she is obviously enthusiastic or curious but still keeps her stoic face
彼女が明らかに熱中してる時や興味津々な時でも無表情をキープするギャップ萌えが大好きだね普通くん
dagreenman18
Bless up to Arakawa for the BEEG LADY representation. Girl loves her muscles, but Strong Lady underrepresented in her works
荒川先生がビッグレディを描いてくれて感謝だな。筋肉好きの自分としては、強くてでかい女性キャラがもっと増えてほしいところだ。ドライおじ
potatozama
MEN SHOULD BE BUFFED AND WOMEN SHOULD BE VAVOOM!
我が目に映る真理よ——男は剛毅なる鎧を纏い、女は魅惑の波動を放つべし!この世の理とは、かくも力強く美しくあるべきなのだ!中二病
maxdragonxiii
looks at Gin no Saji, otherwise known as Silver Spoon hard to not have one after that series lol.
銀の匙(Silver Spoon)見てると、あのシリーズの後だとそう思わざるを得ないよなw普通くん
okiknow2004
I remember Arakawa replying to reader about Riza’s slim waist. “She doesn’t have slim waist she just has buffed upper body so her waist looks slim by comparison”
荒川先生がリザの細い腰について読者に返答しておったのを覚えておる。「彼女は腰が細いのではなく、上半身が鍛え上げられておるゆえ、相対的に腰が細く見えるだけ」とのこと。なるほど、さすがは先生の深い見解でござるな。武士
F00dbAby
Right is also very hot
「右もめっちゃかっこいいし熱すぎるッ!」感情くん
Diggumdum
muscles? ROCK HARD abs? giant hair? shes 100% wife
筋肉は硬く盛り上がり、腹筋は岩の如く、そして巨大な髪…まさに彼女こそ妻として相応しいでござる!武士
Thvenomous
The abs are severely lacking, but everything else is nice.
肉体の鍛錬が足りぬ腹筋よ……されど、その他の部位は我が目を悦ばせるには十分だ。中二病
AceSoldia
Lol
わろた感情くん
PeaceAlien
O_O
O_O(驚きの表情だね)普通くん
yahalloh
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well. Really short of muscular women in anime.
「お、通だね。アニメで筋肉質な女性キャラってほんと少なすぎるんだよッ!」感情くん
raevnos
This and Dorohedoro are making up for the drought this season, at least.
少なくともこれとドロヘドロで今期の不作はカバーできてるな。普通くん
runevault
Also Warrior Princess and Barbarian King. Sera's abs are insane.
それなw Seraの腹筋やばすぎだろwww 戦士姫と蛮王もだけどよ、マジでエグい笑wwwおじ
Tar-eruntalion
what do you mean? the opportunity presented itself when the 1st episode aired
どういう意味?第1話が放送された時点でチャンスはあったんだよ普通くん
Huemun
Both is good.
どっちもめっちゃいいじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
2kenzhe
Agree
同意普通くん
DiamonDawgs
MY MAN
ワイの男やんけ!2ちゃん
FarCritical
Only Left could pull the dead serious-est face for a group pic and end up looking the goofiest . Can't help but imagine Yuru witnessing a building fire from a distance and wondering about the message being sent lol. Man am I glad that the twins didn't part without Asa finally getting her hug in first.
左だけが集合写真で超真剣な顔して一番間抜けに見えるって面白すぎる。遠くでビル火災見て「これ何のメッセージだろ」って考えてるユルが想像できるわ笑。双子が別れる前にアサがやっとハグできたのは本当によかった。普通くん
MapoTofuMan
Only Left could pull the dead serious-est face for a group pic and end up looking the goofiest . Between Yuru's "WTF IS THAT MAGIC" face, Left's O_O and constipated Right it's hard to decide who deserves the title.
草www レフトだけが集合写真でマジ顔かまして一番アホヅラになるってガチで草生えるンゴ
ユルの「なんやその魔法は!?」顔とレフトのO_O面、それに便秘中のライト、誰がキングか決められへんわ2ちゃん
lordposedyon
The one on the left is Gojo alright.
左のやつまんま五条じゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
Rabbitey-
Man am I glad that the twins didn't part without Asa finally getting her hug in first Hopefully, Yuru reciprocates the hug next time. Him realizing that she's actually Asa from her hand on his back was super sweet.
双子が別れる前にアサがハグできて本当によかった。次はユルもハグを返してくれるといいな。背中に手を置かれただけで彼女がアサだって気づくシーン、めっちゃ甘かった。普通くん
Vautiko
There will always be a deep seeded conflict there. She is with an enemy what wiped out his family and friends.
まじで根深い問題あるよね…。だって彼女、自分の家族や友達を皆殺しにした敵側の人間じゃん?ギャル
Myrkrvaldyr
Can't help but imagine Yuru witnessing a building fire from a distance and wondering about the message being sent lol. Show him a video of the airplane impacting the twin towers, and he might say something goofy like, ''wow, these people even get dragons to make smoke signals! Did they tame them? I don't get what it's saying, though.''
ゆるが遠くの火事を見て「何かメッセージを送ってるのかな?」って想像するだけで笑えるわ。飛行機がツインタワーに突っ込む映像見せたら「うわ、ドラゴン使って狼煙上げてる人たちすごい!飼いならしたのかな?でも何言ってるかはわかんないけど」とか言いそう。普通くん
nofaxxspitintruflego
i started cackling out loud after yurus deglaration and left & rights reaction, pure kino
ユルスの宣言と左右のリアクション見て声出して笑っちゃったんだけど!まじで神回すぎるじゃん!ギャル
Gil_Demoono
I know they literally have to be this way, but I absolutely love how ride or die Left and Right are. Pure "fuck it, we ball" energy.
リーダーとライトがマジで「死ぬときは一緒」って感じなの、必然とはいえめっちゃ好き。純粋な「なるようになれ」精神が最高だね。普通くん
AceSoldia
Damn this season and it's five minute episode series. Is there no law to prevent this?!
マジでこのクソ短いエピソードシリーズやばくね!?5分ってありえなくない!?法律で規制しろよマジで!!ギャル
MapoTofuMan
You know it's a good show when even episodes with zero action feel like 5-minute ones.
アクション無しの回でも5分くらいに感じるって、良いアニメの証拠だよね。普通くん
mekerpan
Kill Blue is also like this.... Both shoot by -- yet don't feel rushed at all.
確かに!Kill Blueも同じ感じだよね……両方とも駆け足なのに、全然急かされてる感じがしないのマジでエモすぎるッ!感情くん
nofaxxspitintruflego
tho for wildly different reasons kill blue feels like beelzebub in spirit, just funny asf but this here is kino cooked to perfection
確かに理由は全然違うけど、キルブルーは精神的な雰囲気がべるぜバブに似てる気がするな。めちゃくちゃ面白いんだけど、こっちは完璧に調理された至高の一品って感じだね。普通くん
DustyBot23
I really loved Beelzebub, Is kill blue actually similar in spirit?!
ビールゼバブめっちゃ好きやったわ。キルブルーってホンマにそれと似た空気感なんか?!ワイも気になるンゴwww2ちゃん
nofaxxspitintruflego
in my honest humble opinion yes! if u end u checking it out, would love to hear if u think so as well or if u disagree tho its been a very long time since i read/watched beelze, but man it was a fun show
正直なところ、そう思うな。もし見るなら意見を聞かせてくれ。反対でも構わない。ベルゼブブを読んだり見たりしたのはずいぶん前だが、楽しい作品だったのは覚えてる。ドライおじ
Meatloafxx
An anime this deep & complex would benefit from a one hour format. But given the medium and the business, that's likely out of the question. The story is moving in miniscule increments thanks to the limited 20 minutes of air time, thus making episodes feel much shorter than they are. You can probably glue eps 7 and 8 together and it could feel like an episode with an appropriate run time.
確かにこれだけ深くて複雑なアニメなら1時間枠のが合うよね。でもビジネス的にそれは無理そう。20分枠だと話の進行が細切れで、実際より短く感じる。7話と8話くっつけたらちょうどいい長さの一話になりそうだな。普通くん
PerfectBeige
My biggest challenge with shows this enjoyable is to resist the temptation to rewatch each episode so that the end of season binge rewatch is maximally fresh and enjoyable. Good anime: why do you have to marshmallow test me?
ワイにとって一番キツいんは、面白すぎるアニメを毎週リピートせずに我慢して、シーズン終わった後に一気見で新鮮さを保つことやわ。
なんでこんな神アニメでマシュマロテストさせられなあかんねん草2ちゃん
AceSoldia
Mine is resisting binging the manga 🤣
まじで漫画一気読みしちゃうの我慢してるんだけど笑ギャル
diacewrb
They really are like a yakuza group with a girls bar being one of their businesses. Not surprised the oldest son wants to stick with a more honest way of making a living. He really deserves his Daemons.
本当にヤクザ組織みたいだよね、しかもガールズバーが事業の一つって。長男がもっと誠実な稼ぎ方を選びたいって気持ちも分かるな。あいつにはあの使い魔たちがふさわしいよ。普通くん
DivinityPen
Meanwhile, Middle Child is very clearly a Fuck No with a Capital Hell Naw. Slicked back hair + perma-closed eyes = Probably Satan.
真ん中の兄貴、ガチで「絶対無理」案件やんwww
リーゼントに閉じた目って、悪魔確定やろこれ草2ちゃん
extralie
Wouldn't be surprised if he planned the attack from the previous night and kidnapped their parents tbh.
まじで彼が前の晩から襲撃計画してて、親たち拉致したんじゃないかなって思っちゃうよね笑ギャル
Akussa
Gonna be funny if he ends up being one of the good guys and it’s the first son that’s the big bad.
草、まさかのこいつが味方で長男が真のラスボスとかになったら笑うわwww2ちゃん
Ebirah
Ultimately, this shit is all being caused by a mangaka somewhere.
結局この騒動の原因はどこかの漫画家だってことだよな普通くん
oops_i_made_a_typi
big bro does kinda give [fma] shou tucker vibes of being wholesome upfront
それな!でも兄貴ってさ、最初はめっちゃいい人そうな雰囲気出してるけど、『鋼の錬金術師』のショウ・タッカー的なやばさ感じるんだけど笑ギャル
Akussa
Yep, and given it's the same author, don't expect the bad guy or good guy to always be the obvious person.
確かに、同じ作者だし、悪役と善人がいつもわかりやすいとは限らないと思う。普通くん
pinkielovespokemon
I've decided that no adults can be trusted in Daemons.
マジで黄泉のツガイの大人組、誰も信用できないって決めたわ笑ギャル
somersault_dolphin
Nah, a goated mangaka wouldn't make the token mangaka the big bad...
いや、神クラスの漫画家が記号的な漫画家をラスボスにしたりしないでしょ…普通くん
HumanTheTree
I don't think it's that deep. FMA did have a character called who called himself the Führer and was an incredibly obvious twist villain.
いやいやそこまで深く考えなくない?FMAにも総統って自称するキャラいたじゃん、しかもめっちゃ分かりやすい黒幕だったし。感情くん
Strowy
obvious twist villain Bradley wasn't a twist villain, he was straight villain from beginning to end. Removing him being nonhuman, he was still a brutal military dictator who ordered genocide.
まじでそれ!ブラッドリーって「実はいい人でした」的な展開ゼロじゃん?最初から最後まで完全悪役だったし。人間じゃなくても、虐殺命令する軍事独裁者って時点でやばすぎるでしょ笑ギャル
Jacob-C
The information on the genocide was not given to us straight away. We are first led to believe that the Führer title is a red herring because of how kind he is to our main cast. Sure, there were scenes with cinematography and background music that hinted at there being something off about him. But other than that, it was a twist that he was as evil as he was.
この大量虐殺の情報が最初から開示されなかったのは意図的な構成だな。まず我々は、主人公たちへの優しさから「総統」という肩書きが実はミスリードでは?と思わされる。確かに映像美やBGMで違和感を匂わせる演出はあったが、それ以外では彼の邪悪さがここまでとは、まさにどんでん返しという考察ができる。考察くん
nosumoking
Dera did say that crazy creators make the most interesting stories. This might be his greatest masterpiece.
デラが「狂ったクリエイターほど面白い作品を作る」って言ってたけど、まさにそれだね。これが彼の最高傑作になるかも。普通くん
Akussa
Oh my god you're right. I'm locked in now on it being the oldest son.
まじでそれな!長男説確かにアリじゃん!もう完全にその考察にハマったわ笑ギャル
Gil_Demoono
Getting big Naoya Zenin vibes from that fucker. Would be pleasantly surprised for that to not be the case, but I definitely think he's the snake right now.
あの野郎、禪院直哉みたいな感じがすごいするわ。そうじゃなかったら嬉しい驚きだけど、今のところ蛇はこいつだと思う。普通くん
letohorn
Gin Ichimaru for me.
ギン・市丸はまじでやばい!あの雰囲気とか裏のある感じがたまらんくない!?笑ギャル
darthvall
Also being voiced by Ishida Akira gave more of that suspicious vibe. Then again, at this point it's just too obvious he's scheming something and I hope it's only a red herring. I always love character that subvert the usual trope (e.g. has all the sign of being evil, but turns out good anyway).
石田彰が声当ててるってだけで怪しさ倍増だよね。でもさ、ここまで露骨だと逆に何か企んでるのが分かりすぎて、ただのミスリードであってほしいな。いつも通りの悪役フラグを逆手に取るキャラ(悪そうに見えて実は善人)が好きだからさ。普通くん
Busy-Elderberry2137
I don't think they're "like" a Yakuza group. They outright are one.
えっと、それ「ヤクザっぽい」とかじゃなくて、完全にヤクザそのものじゃね?笑ギャル
is-this-a-nick
Yup. Its Yakuza vs Cultists it seems.
せやな。極道vsカルト信者って感じやなwww2ちゃん
BrilliantForeign8899
There was a Manga about violent yakuza vs insane Cultists in the mountains. The Cultists had lots of money (thanks to devoted followers) and put up one hell of a fight
山の中でヤクザと狂ったカルト集団が戦う漫画があったな。カルト側は信者のおかげで資金が豊富で、めちゃくちゃ抵抗してたんだよね。普通くん
F00dbAby
Yeah I do wonder if there is a reason they are not explicitly called one when they literally have all of the appearances of one.
せやな、見た目は完全にそれやのに明確に呼ばれへんの、何か理由あんのか気になるンゴwww2ちゃん
somersault_dolphin
Probably to not step on the toes of the actual yakuza by branding themselves as one of them even though they are the new kids.
多分、新参者だからって自分たちをヤクザ扱いして実際のヤクザの縄張りを荒らさないようにってことだと思う。普通くん
MaryPaku
branding yourself as a Yakuza literally make you banned from all the financial service and government service in Japan. You won't be able to open a bank account.
まじかよwww 日本でヤクザ名乗ったら金融サービスも行政サービスも全部使えなくなるんだって。銀行口座すら作れないらしいぞ笑wwwおじ
Gil_Demoono
They did mention that they have a reputation among normal society. Definitely think they're Yakuza according to the modern world.
マジで言ってたじゃん!普通の社会からするとヤクザ扱いされてるって笑 現代基準で見たら絶対そう思われるよね〜ギャル
tapdancinghellspawn
Like a true artist, he obsesses over the finest details.
本当のアーティストらしく、細かい部分にこだわりまくってるんだね。普通くん
Eunuchest
They really are like a yakuza group with a girls bar being one of their businesses. And they have the most intimidating looking person as the owner of it.
それマジでヤクザ組織だよね…しかも女の子バーを経営の一つにしてて、オーナーがめっちゃ威圧感ある人ってのがまたズルすぎるッ!感情くん
dolphincave
The final goodbye with Hug, and Yuru's expression upon learning he wasn't left on purpose was so touching. Also already divisions seen among the Kagemori family.
ハグとの最後の別れと、置き去りにされたわけじゃないと知ったユルの表情がすごく心に響いたな。あと影森家の中でもう分裂が見えてるのが気になる。普通くん
tripleaamin
Honestly, learning that there was a fake Asa, he could think, why didn't they take me too?. At the very least for Yuru there is even more to be wary of regarding Granny. The hug and the touch in the back, which we also see in the OP, really were well done. He knows for sure that that is his younger sister.
なるほど、偽のアサがいたと知った時、彼は「なぜ自分も連れて行かれなかったんだ」と考えたのだろう。ユルに関しては、グラニーに対してより警戒すべき要素が増えたな。OPでも見られた背中のタッチと抱擁のシーンは、確かに見事な演出だった。彼はあれが間違いなく自分の妹だと確信しているという考察ができる。考察くん
piercethepsycho
seen in the OP?
OPで見たやつだね普通くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
It really does seem like Asa’s traded the mansion for that village cell. I get why she’s gotta live in hiding, but it’s not really much of a life if she’s trading one cage for another. I hope Yuru and Asa can find their parents or at least find out what happened to them. I’m curious to find out what actually happened.
アサは結局、あの屋敷から村の独房に移っただけのように思えるな。潜伏生活が必要なのは理解できるが、結局は檻から檻への移動でしかない。ユルとアサが両親を見つけられるか、少なくとも何が起きたのか真相を掴めることを願う。実際の出来事が気になって仕方ない。考察くん
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
It really does seem like Asa’s traded the mansion for that village cell. I get why she’s gotta live in hiding, but it’s not really much of a life if she’s trading one cage for another. Both are cages, no doubt, but you have to give credit to the Kagemoris for fostering the illusion of a warm family and freedom onto Asa which she obviously never felt inside a literal cold ass prison cell over at the Higashis. Edit: The more I think about it, really makes me question the Higashi clan's methods more. No wonder Asa's parents prioritized escaping the village with her even if it meant abandoning Yuru. After all, Yuru was at least thriving and living a normal(ish) life unlike Asa. Besides, Yuru's father definitely knew about Left and Right--that Yuru will eventually forge a contract with them and be under their protection when the time comes; so it's not like they left him without any contingency plan whatsoever.
アサは屋敷からあの村の牢獄に移っただけって感じだよね。隠れて生きなきゃいけないのはわかるけど、ただ檻を変えただけじゃ人生って感じじゃない。どっちも檻なのは間違いないけど、影森家がアサに温かい家族と自由の幻想を見せたのは評価すべきだと思う。東家の冷たい独房じゃ絶対に味わえなかった感覚だからね。
考えれば考えるほど東家のやり方に疑問が湧くわ。アサの両親がユルを置いてでも彼女を連れて村を脱出したのも納得だ。ユルは少なくともアサと違って普通の生活を送れてたし。それにユルの父親は左右の存在を知ってたはずだし、いずれユルが契約して守られるってわかってただろうから、完全に無計画で置き去りにしたわけじゃないんだろうな。普通くん
mekerpan
One wonders WHY the Village treated her so poorly?
マジでなんで村はあんな酷い扱いしたんだよ…ッ!納得いかねえ!!感情くん
ShinJiwon
I'm guessing cos Break is considered stronger than Seal? I can't think of much use for Seal? Like do you defeat other people by sealing up their buttholes so they die from being unable to poop.
ブレイクがシールより強いってことなのかな?シールってあんまり使い道が思いつかないんだよね。例えば、相手のケツ穴を封印してウンコできずに死なせるとか?普通くん
KingOfSockPuppets
原文
We saw Asa break the barrier AND Daemon contract two episodes ago with Break - they aren't just literal, physical powers but they extend into the metaphorical as well. Seal could, theoretically: -Bind anyone to any Daemon -Trap enemies in an impenetrable barrier -prevent weapons from being drawn/ammo loaded -theoretically bind daemons/trap them in objects (Seal them away) And so on. Really just depends on how metaphorical the power can get with the word "Seal". Maybe it can seal away memories, or make binding oaths between people. Sky's the limit.
先週のアサのバリア破壊とデーモン契約、Breakの能力見たけどさ、あれ単なる物理的な力じゃなくて比喩的な意味にも拡張できるんやな。Seal理論上は:
-誰でもデーモンに縛れる
-敵を貫通不能バリアに閉じ込める
-武器の抜刀/装填を封じる
-デーモンを物体に封印
とか色々できるやろ。結局「Seal」って言葉がどこまで比喩的に解釈されるか次第やな。記憶を封印したり、人同士の誓約を結んだり、可能性無限大やろwww2ちゃん
Pickled_Kagura
yeah I kind of assume Break is the Spear and Seal is the Shield Break has more destructive potential, but Seal can probably render people/daemons useless I imagine it's going to tie into his preference for not killing people
確かに、ブレイクが「矛」でシールが「盾」って感じだよね。ブレイクの方が破壊力は上だけど、シールは人や悪魔を無力化できるんだろうな。それが彼の殺さない主義にも繋がってそう。普通くん
drunkenvalley
Seal death.
やばっ!封印死んだんだけど!?マジでやばくね?!ギャル
battler624
原文
It would make sense for seal to force daemons into contracts if break can break said contracts At the very least it seems everyone is contracted to two daemons (except the bald head guy and gabby) so i'm guessing thats the limit? maybe seal can force all daemons to himself to have his night parade of 100 demons from the japanese folklore (Nurarihyon anyone?) Also if Break can destroy barriers then it also makes sense for seal to create barriers? but i assume its unrelated because every family has a barrier it seems (Unless seal created all of those barriers long ago and sealed them/hid them in objects?)
なるほどね。封が悪魔と強制的に契約させるのは、破が契約を破れるなら辻褄が合うな。少なくともハゲとギャビー以外はみんな2体の悪魔と契約してるみたいだから、それが上限ってことかも。もしかしたら封は全悪魔を自分に集めて、日本民話の百鬼夜行を再現できるのかも?(ぬらりひょん知ってる人いる?)あと破が結界を壊せるなら、封が結界を作るのも理にかなってる?でも各家庭に結界があるみたいだから無関係かもな(封が昔に全部の結界を作って、物体に封印した可能性はあるけど)。普通くん
ShinJiwon
Daemons always come in twos. It's a fault of the English title, they are called tsugai which literally mean pair. Gabby's Gabriel is actually top and bottom jaw. They mentioned it a few times already.
デーモンは常に2体1組って設定やろ。英語タイトルが悪いんや、元々「ツガイ」って「ペア」って意味やからな。ガビーのガブリエルは上下のアゴって話、何回か言うてたやん。2ちゃん
SilverGeekly
expanding on what the other reply said, we also know the bald guy has two daemons as well, theyre both just too big to be seen normally.
他の人も言ってたけど、あのハゲ野郎もツガイを2体持ってるんだよね。どっちもデカすぎて普通には見えないって話。普通くん
OldInstruction5368
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During the flashback where Asa was murdered by those cultists... one of them says "Well, we can still use Seal to take over the underworld." Meaning, these crazies view Seal and Break as equal. They were targeting Asa only because she was the one that had escaped the barrier around Higashi village, and in so doing, was likely no longer under Granny's protection. That harridan feels like the "If I can't have them, no one will" type. And don't forget, this episode confirmed that Higashi village is no monolith: there are factions that don't answer to Granny and share different beliefs, just like how the Kage's have their own subfactions.
回想シーンでアサがカルトに殺されかけた時な、「封印使えば黄泉の国乗っ取れる」って言ってたやん。つまりこいつらはシールとブレイクを同格扱いしてるわけや。アサを狙ったのは東の村の結界から逃げ出して婆ちゃんの保護下にないからってだけやろ。あの鬼婆は「自分が持てないなら誰にもやらん」タイプやな。あと今回の話で東の村が一枚岩じゃないって確定したやん。婆ちゃんに従わない派閥があって、影の連中にも派閥あるみたいなもんやな。2ちゃん
HornedTurtle1212
Like the "bandit" (assassin) who attacked Yuru and his dad when they were out hunting. Based on the barrier around the village that had to be someone from the village or from the clan who knows the path in and out. That suggests someone who didn't agree with what the village was doing or wanted to steal Seal for themselves.
なるほど、ユルと父親が狩りに出た時に襲撃してきた「山賊(暗殺者)」の件だな。あの村を囲む結界を考慮すると、侵入経路を知っているのは村人か同族の者に限られる。つまり、村の方針に反対していたか、自分で「封印」を奪おうとした内通者がいたという考察ができる。考察くん
DameSayo
Or Dera and Hana are that different faction. And no1 else.
確かに!デラとハナは別の派閥って可能性あるよね。他には誰もいないとか、それエモすぎるッ!感情くん
AceSoldia
I'm also curious what reasoning they told Yuru and Asa...did they say she has a disease? Is she some special preistest only certain people are allowed to see? Why were they both so okay with it at the time...I know they were young but damn
ユルとアサにはどんな説明をしたのか気になるな…病気だって言ったのかな?それとも特定の人しか会えない特別な巫女とか?当時2人ともあんなに納得してた理由が謎だ…確かに幼かったけど、それにしてもなあ普通くん
Zonca
The only info on that is Yuru saying to his friend in episode 1 that Asa has an important job to do. Probably some ceremonial/spiritual one, but the village/granny Yamaha were obviously lying about it since they had the impostor daemon(?) in her place for the last 10 years.
草、ワイもそれ気になってたンゴwww
1話でユルが「アサには大事な仕事がある」って言ってたのだけが手がかりやな。
多分儀式か霊的なやつやと思うけど、村とヤマハ婆さんは10年間偽物のデーモン(?)を配置してたってことやし、完全に嘘やろこれ。2ちゃん
mekerpan
No reason to cage her like a wild beast or a dangerous criminal.
彼女を野獣や危険な犯罪者みたいに檻に入れる必要はないよね。普通くん
schnazzums
I do agree with you, but for them I think the twins are meant to be controlled/sacrifices at the right time. By keeping Asa locked up it means Yuru won’t try anything and it’s supposed to prevent people from trying to capture/kill Asa before the time is right for the village to kill them to acquire Break/Seal.
せやな、確かにそうやわ。でも村からしたら双子は管理される生贄みたいなもんやろ。アサを閉じ込めとけばユルが余計なことせんし、村がブレイクとシールを手に入れるタイミングまで誰も手出しできへんってわけやな。2ちゃん
pandacraft
Since Asa used Break to end a demon contract its possible seal has the power to force a contract, which would let the two freely steal and subjugate any demon they see.
アサがブレイクを使って悪魔の契約を終わらせたことから、封印は契約を強制する力を持つ可能性があるね。それなら2人は好き放題どんな悪魔でも奪って支配できるってことになる。普通くん
CopyFew4583
you Seal their artery and that's death note
「動脈を封じる=デスノートってことかよッ!」
頭おかしくなるほど納得した……天才の発想すぎる感情くん
Dirty_Dragons
That said, some people are still after Seal. I'm pretty sure that the "bandit" from the flashback wasn't just some random guy. And dad was very particular to Yuru that he tell nobody they were attacked.
確かに、シールを狙ってる連中はまだいるみたいだな。回想に出てきた「山賊」がただの通りすがりじゃないのは間違いないと思う。それに父さんがユルに「襲われたことは誰にも言うな」って特に念押ししてたのも気になる。普通くん
Dodolos
I think the bandit was someone working for granny, trying to kill yuru to unlock his power but in a way that doesn't make him blame granny or anyone else in the village. It really seems like she expected something to happen when they were out, and the dad decided he didn't want to be part of it
山賊、ばあちゃんの差し金じゃね?ユルを殺しかけて力を解放させようとしたけど、村の誰も恨まないように仕組んだ感じやな。ばあちゃんが二人が出かけた時に何か起きるの予想してたっぽいし、父親はそれに加わりたくなかったンゴwww2ちゃん
Dirty_Dragons
Very possible. She was acting strangely when they got back. In the most recent episode Asa pointed out that granny was giving them trouble when trying to leave. I'm excited to see where the show is going.
確かにありそうだね。帰ってきた時から様子がおかしかったし。最新話でアサが「おばあちゃんが邪魔してる」って言ってたのも気になる。今後の展開が楽しみだな。普通くん
Skawt24
I cast Mend: Buttcrack!
「メンド:ケツの割れ目!」を唱えたわ!笑 やばくねこのネタwwwギャル
NSUNDU
He could just seal their breathing, eyesight and hearing. Would be pretty good in a fight
戦闘中に相手の呼吸や視覚、聴覚を封じるだけでも結構使えそうだよね普通くん
extralie
I assume they don't want her to unlock her power before her brother, because then she could just break the barrier, or something like that.
確かに!兄貴より先に力解放されたら結界とかぶち壊しそうだもんな。あの展開マジ無理すぎるッ!感情くん
mekerpan
That might explain why they did not want her to leave the village. It does not explain her abuse.
それで村を出たがらなかった理由は説明できるかもね。でも虐待の理由までは説明できてないな。普通くん
Severe_Ad_6482
The abuse is unjustifiable, there is no purpose to it. They just wanted to keep her still and "safe" so they confined her, they treated her like a collector's item and never let her out of the box.
虐待は絶対に許されんわ。目的もクソもない。ただ彼女をじっとして「安全」にしとくためだけに閉じ込めて、コレクターズアイテム扱いで箱から出してくれへんかったンゴ。マジで胸糞悪いわ。2ちゃん
EffectiveImportant51
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I think in a world like the Higashi village where everyone relies on their daemons and a barrier. It is pretty easy to understand why break would be considered dangerous and needed to be locked behind bars. Even those bars where she was kept. I am sure she probably could shatter them. I do like the idea of someone who can shatter any cage, choosing to be caged. Meanwhile the person who can seal anything choosing to be free, It is kind of ironic and poetic.
東の里みたいにみんなが使い魔と結界に頼ってる世界なら、ブレイクが危険視されて牢屋に閉じ込められるのも分かる気がするな。あの檻もたぶん彼女なら壊せるんだろうけど。どんな檻も壊せるやつが檻の中にいることを選んで、逆に何でも封印できるやつが自由を選ぶって、なんか皮肉的で詩的だよね。普通くん
Amazing_Lavishness_8
Yeah definitely true at least she can breathe some actual air with the kagemori instead of an underground cell.
確かにそれな!地下牢よりカゲモリといる方がマシだし、実際の空気吸えるってやばくね!?ギャル
nofaxxspitintruflego
i kinda like how the higashis being in almost absolute desolation kind of reflects these asinine decisions and mentalities overall lol shoe seems to fit, atleast with a few shot callers
東郷家がほぼ壊滅状態なの、あの馬鹿げた決断や考え方の象徴みたいで笑っちゃうな。少なくとも一部の指揮官にはぴったりだと思うよ。普通くん
0mnicious
Yuru's father definitely knew about Left and Right--that Yuru will eventually forge a contract with them and be under their protection when the time comes; so it's not like they left him without any contingency plan whatsoever. Supposedly Left and Right should've been a 3rd party's Daemons, the twins with Break and Seal aren't supposed to have them.
ユルの父親は間違いなく左と右の存在を知っていた——いずれユルが彼らと契約を結び、時が来ればその保護下に入ることを見越していたのだ。つまり、彼らは何の対策もなしにユルを置き去りにしたわけではない。本来なら左と右は第三者の悪魔であるべきで、ブレイクとシールを持つ双子が彼らを所有する想定ではなかったという考察ができる。考察くん
somersault_dolphin
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fostering the illusion of a warm family and freedom onto Asa Illusion? They are her family and friends and they do give her freedom. It's the attackers that won't let her. Yuru didn't get his ass hunted down for years so he has the "freedom", which was also a cage in the Higashi village. Even now she's the one shielding Yuru because the attackers are going to want to come after her who already has the power more than Yuru who haven't got it yet.
アサに「温かい家族と自由の幻想」を押し付けてるって?いや、彼らは実際にアサの家族であり友達で、ちゃんと自由も与えてるんだよ。自由を奪ってるのは攻撃してくる連中の方だ。ユルは何年も追われてないから「自由」があるように見えるけど、それもまた東村という檻だったんだ。今だってアサがユルを守ってる立場だろ。なぜなら攻撃者たちは、まだ力を持ってないユルより、既に力を持ってるアサを狙うからだ。普通くん
a1oner_bvcksn6
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Did you watch the same episode? Let's not pretend the Kagemoris have adopted Asa out of the kindness of their hearts. Much like the Higashis, they have their own agenda too. Do you seriously believe if Asa wasn't one of the chosen twins and didn't have the power of Break, she'd be regarded as an actual family member by these people? Maybe Gabby is the only genuine friend she has, I'll give you that much. Not that we really know Gabby's backstory yet on how she came to be an adoptive Kagemori clan member--or she could be the perfect tool for the Kagemoris to use to get close to and "control" Asa, with the both of them being girls around the same age. Case in point: even the middle son (his name keeps escaping me) admitted how he believes the power of the twins (as rarely as they come by) should be used--going as far as to suggest that they are the rightful clan to wield their powers. You don't think people with such motives won't be/act kind (or maybe pretend) to the person who actually holds the power they want for themselves?
同じ話を見てたのか?影森家がアサを心から引き取ったなんて幻想はやめよう。東家と同様、彼らにも独自の思惑がある。アサが選ばれた双子でなく、ブレイクの力を持っていなかったら、彼女が本当の家族として扱われると本気で思うか?ガビィだけが唯一の友人かもしれないが、それも彼女がどうやって影森家の養子になったのか背景が不明だ。同年代の少女同士という点で、ガビィはアサを監視・支配するための完璧な駒である可能性が高い。実際、次男(名前が思い出せない)も双子の力は希少であり、それを正統に扱うべき影森家こそが力を使うべきだと認めている。そんな思惑を持つ連中が、自分たちが欲する力を実際に持つ者に親切を装わないとでも?考察くん
somersault_dolphin
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they have their own agenda too What agendas? That they broke off from the village in the first place because they don't agree with farming cursed twins to create tragedy and hardship for innocent kids? The ones with "agendas" is clearly just the second child and whoever he's linked to. Gabby is a real friend of Asa and the other main members of the Kagemoris we have seen so far actually think of her as one of them and care for her. The end game is very clearly the Kagemoris and Dera joining hands in some way because ultimately they want to protect the twins.
向こうにも自分たちの考えがあるって言うけど、そもそも村を出たのは呪われた双子を利用して無実の子供たちに悲劇を強いるのに賛成できなかったからだろ。「考えがある」のは明らかに次男とその関係者だけだよ。ギャビーはアサの本当の友達だし、今まで見た影守の主要メンバーも彼女を仲間として大事に思ってる。最終的には影守とデラが手を組んで双子を守る方向になるのは明らかだね。普通くん
a1oner_bvcksn6
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What, you want them to go revealing all their plans right off the bat in front of potential rivals (Dera) and allies (Yuru) just 7 episodes in? Okay lmao Just keep watching bud. Maybe you'll be proven right all along, but until more concrete information are actually revealed, I'm not gonna take everything we're presented with at face value or as facts. That's just me ofc--naturally suspicious. But you do you
は?たった7話で、潜在的なライバル(デラ)や味方(ユル)の前で全部の計画を明かせって?それはないだろ笑 もっと見てみなよ。君の言う通りになる可能性はあるけど、具体的な情報が出るまでは、提示されたものをそのまま事実として受け取る気はない。俺は元々疑い深い性質なんだろうな。でも、君のスタンスは尊重するよ。考察くん
DameSayo
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I am happy you are naturally suspicious, there is not a lot people like that 😢 But can't both things be true ?Can't they have some plans IF they have plans for the twins AND genuinely care about her ? in many real families you have situations like that.... ...I am manga reader, so won't say more. for me,from the viewers perspective, Asuma (middle son with blond hair and scary smile) is actually less suspicious and all clan as well : because Asuma openly admitted to having different opinion, wasn't provocked by Dera by suggestion that he thinks they are competent enough to "control" the twins and no1 from family dissed him,because he has his different opinion. IF he was prepared as the big bad, it would be really silly,since he is shown as so obviously shady. Also,let's make an experiment and take what he said at face value : he believes gods gave special powers to twins for a purpouse and destroying it is runing away from responsibilities and village should not be exterminated (for village defenders that should be a good thing). So, him claiming organisation should control them doesn't seem "that evil". He literally says "no1 ,even chosen ones should have that much power in their hands", so he sees the only way it could work: they should split the responsibility. We are accustomed to powerhungry guys, but idea in itself doesn't have to come from powerhunger. They could also seriously feel better without the twins...since they came from that village and shared their beliefs at the start. Watchers want that innocent village angle,but maybe Kagemoris ARE that not innocent ,but kinder lot they were looking for.
なるほど、君が疑い深いのは良いことだね。そういう人は少ないからな😢 でも両方あり得るんじゃないかな?双子に計画があって、かつ本当に彼女のことを気にかけているって。現実の家族でもそういうことあるし…。原作読んでるからこれ以上は言わないけど、視聴者目線だと阿澄(真ん中の金髪で怖い笑顔の息子)の方が実は疑わしくないんだよね。だって彼は公然と異論を唱えてるし、デラに「双子を制御できる」って言われても挑発されてない。家族も彼の意見を否定してないし。もし彼が黒幕だったら、あそこまで怪しく見せるのはおかしいだろ。
それに彼の言葉をそのまま信じてみよう:神様が双子に特別な力を与えたのには意味があって、それを壊すのは責任放棄で、村は殲滅されるべきじゃない(村を守る側にとっては良いことだ)。だから組織が制御すべきって主張も「そこまで悪くない」。彼は「選ばれた者でもそんな力を持つべきじゃない」って言ってて、責任を分散すべきだと考えてる。俺たちは権力欲に飢えたキャラに慣れてるけど、この考え自体は権力欲から来てるとは限らない。彼らは双子がいない方が気楽かもしれないし…だって元々その村の出身で同じ信念を持ってたんだから。視聴者は無実の村を求めてるけど、影守家は実はそんなに無実じゃなくて、探してた優しい連中なのかもね。普通くん
Taokaka_chan
We're all caged in this cell called earth, for now
マジでそうじゃん!今はみんな地球って檻に閉じ込められてる感じだよね〜笑ギャル
Roeclean
nah, since space travel is possible, just really hard and costly.
いや、宇宙旅行は可能だけど、めちゃくちゃ大変でコストがかかるってだけだね普通くん
bb2b
原文
The village cell is reminiscent of princess guard levels of importance. So, the cell supposed to be extremely robust to keep her purity. But, Higashi is supposed to be a poor and subsistence village so Asa doesn't get to have the level of opulence that a typical high status figure would have leading to what is unfortunately, a prison cell. But, Yuru made sure to always put in the work to get her gifts where the elder wouldn't. It's all performative while they attempt to raise the twins in a way that lets them control when, how, and if the twins manifest either break or seal. So, while they attempt to naturally kill Yuru first and if doesn't manifest Seal, they execute Asa with a false flag assassination and send her down the path of destruction while one of the village residents command Left and Right to keep Asa in line. That's my take on the narration so far anyway.
村の牢獄は、王女を守るための警護レベルと同等の重要性を想起させる。つまり、彼女の純潔を保つために極めて頑丈な造りになっているのだろう。しかし、東の村は貧しく自給自足の生活を強いられているため、アサは通常の高位の人物が持つような贅沢を享受できず、結果的に残念ながら牢獄のような空間になってしまった。だが、ユルは長老がやらないような贈り物を彼女に届けるために、常に努力を惜しまなかった。これはすべて見せかけの行為であり、彼らは双子を育てる過程で、いつ、どのように、そしてもし双子が破壊か封印の力を発現させるとしても、それを制御できるようにしようとしている。つまり、彼らはまずユルを自然死させようと試み、もし封印が発現しなければ、偽旗作戦による暗殺でアサを処刑し、彼女を破滅の道へと導く。同時に村の住人の一人が左右の腕を操り、アサを従わせる。以上が、これまでの語りに対する私の考察だ。考察くん
mekerpan
She has "traded cells" -- but the Kagemori clan (overall) treats her far better than the Village -- which treated her pretty shamefully.
やばくね!?彼女は「細胞交換」してるんだけど、カゲモリ一族は村より全然優しく扱ってるじゃん!村の扱いマジひどすぎだし笑ギャル
angooseburger
原文
I mean it does seem the same but its not like the kagemori's are forcing her to stay within the mansion. She's free to go in and out if she wanted to but she chooses not to for being tired of constantly fearing for her life. I know the show wanted to sound deep and all but it really isnt the same. If you want to make it equivalent, you could also say that all humans are essentially imprisoned on earth
確かに表面的には同じに見えるけど、影守たちは彼女を屋敷に監禁してるわけじゃないんだよね。出入りは自由だけど、命の危険を常に恐れるのに疲れて自ら外に出ない選択をしてるだけ。作品は深く見せようとしてるけど、実際は同じじゃないと思う。強いて言えば、人間はみんな地球に閉じ込められてるって言うのと同じくらいの話だよ。普通くん
EffectiveImportant51
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I agree with your thought and it was what occurred to me too. I get where Yuru is coming from. But he has always had the freedom. When you are as "free" as Yuru. You view her situation as limiting, But in a sense you can argue no human is free. But I think it is important when we hear the Kagemori clan head say left and right was supposed to be wielded by a third party. Essentially they are supposed to be the balancer is my inference but now they are held by Seal which probably makes sense if they were the guardians of the village. Also Asa seems the very internalized type which is normal for someone who has always been caged, people like that in literary and media go full unhinged never wanting to be enclosed or like Asa where that enclosure is their comfort zone. which is probably more conducive to a story with a restricted culture. Having an unhinged Asa would probably make the world too chaotic.
確かにユルの立場は理解できる。彼は常に自由を持っていたからこそ、彼女の状況を制限的に見ているんだろうな。ただ、人間に完全な自由はないという議論も成り立つ。重要なのは、影森組の頭が「左右のツガイは第三者によって扱われるべき」と言っていた点だ。推測するに、彼らは本質的にバランサーとして機能する存在で、村の守護者だったからこそシールに所有されているのも納得がいく。また、アサは非常に内向的なタイプで、これは常に閉じ込められてきた者には典型的な反応だ。文学やメディアではこうしたキャラは完全に壊れて二度と閉じ込められるのを拒むか、アサのように囲いが安堵の場になるかだ。制限的な文化の物語には後者の方が適していて、もしアサが壊れたら世界が混沌としすぎるという考察ができる。考察くん
saga999
In a way, Asa IS more free than Yuru WAS. Yuru didn't even know what the real world looks like. He was kind of living in the Truman Show.
確かに!アサの方がユルより自由すぎるッ!!ユルってマジで現実世界を知らなかったんだよな。まさにトゥルーマン・ショー状態だったんだ…しんどい。感情くん
L0CZEK
The limitation is forced upon her and she is aware of it. That feels restricting regardless of the size of "the cage" even if it's a whole country.
まじでそれな!自分で制限されてるってわかってるのが逆に辛いじゃん?檻の大きさがどれだけデカくても、結局は檻だしね〜ギャル
Alter_Kyouma
That makes me wonder if the purpose of the cell was to prevent Asa from being killed by the extremists. Like if someone acquires seal too early then it's not great, but if someone acquires Break too early then it's catastrophic. Maybe the dad asked him not to mention the "thief" because if Granny had heard that, she would have locked up Yuru too?
なるほど、つまり牢屋の目的は過激派からアサを守るためだったのかもね。封印を早く手に入れるのも良くないけど、ブレイクを早く手に入れるのはもっと危険ってことか。父親が「泥棒」の話を黙ってたのは、おばあちゃんに聞かれたらユルも閉じ込められたからかもしれないな。普通くん
saga999
原文
There's a big difference between prison and house arrest. And she can go outside, like she literally just did at the end to give her brother a hug. Nobody stopped her. Nobody forced her to stay inside. It's just dangerous for her to go out and it's not Kagemori's fault. It's Higashi's fault, the village that Yuru is so attached to. While his attachment is perfectly understandable, I haven't heard him say anything bad or show any negative feeling towards them. One can argue it's because he's doubtful about the truth of the matter. And that would be logical. But now that he accepted Asa is really his sister, hopefully that changes in future episodes.
刑務所と自宅軟禁は全然違うよな。彼女は実際に外に出られるし、最終的に兄をハグしに行ったように誰も止めなかった。誰も彼女を中に閉じ込めなかったんだ。ただ外に出るのが危険なだけで、それは影森のせいじゃない。ユルが執着している東の村、ヒガシのせいだ。彼の執着は完全に理解できるが、彼が村に対して悪く言ったり否定的な感情を示したのを聞いたことがない。これは彼が事実の真偽に疑問を抱いているからだとも言える。それは論理的だ。でも今、アサが本当に妹だと受け入れた以上、今後のエピソードで変化が起きることを期待したい。考察くん
GloriousNipOnSteel
I get why she’s gotta live in hiding, but it’s not really much of a life if she’s trading one cage for another. Sure beats getting gastric ulcer again.
確かに身分隠して生きるしかないのは分かるけど、結局檻から檻に移っただけやん。でも胃潰瘍になるよりはマシか…草2ちゃん
AceSoldia
Dera doesn't know it but he's already technically a third faction..I'm sure eventually Yuru and Asa and maybe a couple from each side will choose them over the families.
デラ本人は気づいてないけど、もう実質第三勢力みたいなもんだよね!笑 いずれユルとアサ、あと両サイドから何人かが家族よりこっち選ぶんじゃない?てかそうなってほしい!ギャル
Zeph-Shoir
I am curious if there is a faction made out of specific members of BOTH the village and the clan. I think that the more factions there are here the more fun it can be.
村と一族の両方からメンバー集めた派閥とかあるんかな?ワイは派閥多いほど面白いと思うンゴwww2ちゃん
chirb8
It is implied that at least the extremists of each faction seem to have a similar objective. It would be a good twist if they're actually working together
各派閥の過激派は少なくとも似たような目的を持っているって示唆されてるよね。もし彼らが実は協力してるってなったら、面白い展開になりそうだな。普通くん
tapdancinghellspawn
It made me sad that Asa and Yuru are going their own way. Asa's love for her brother is heartwarming. I want more of them together.
泣いた。アサとユルが別々の道を行くのしんどすぎる…。アサの兄への愛がエモすぎて心温まる。もっと2人が一緒にいるの見たいよマジで!感情くん
HornedTurtle1212
I don't feel like they will be apart for long.
あんま長く離れてる感じはしないんだよね〜すぐに再会しそうじゃん?ギャル
tapdancinghellspawn
I hope you are right. They've already spent enough time apart. I have a feeling that the separation is going to set up Yuru's awakening of his Seal power.
せやな、ワイもそう願いたいわ。離れ離れの時間はもう十分やろ。この別れがユルの封印パワー覚醒の布石になる気がしてならんのやけどな。2ちゃん
Frostbitten_Moose
Nah, Yuru's the real third faction. Dera's just got a new employer in this crazy mess whether he realizes it or not.
いや、ユルが本当の第三勢力だよ。デラは気付いてるかどうかは別として、このカオスな状況で新しい雇い主ができただけだと思う。普通くん
Backupusername
"Girls Bar Love and Sincerity" Jin's pair's names, Ai and Makoto, mean "love" and "sincerity" respectively.
「Girls Bar Love and Sincerity」のジンのツガイの名前、アイとマコトってそれぞれ「愛」と「誠」って意味なんだって!めっちゃオシャレじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
Primary-Paint-1716
This is the best new shonen I've seen in a while. I actively stay up just to catch this show on release. Honestly, taking all my willpower to not cave and read the manga.
わかるッ!最近の新しめの少年漫画でこれが一番好きすぎる。毎週放送日に夜更かししてまで観てる。正直、漫画読まずに我慢するのマジでしんどい…!感情くん
L0CZEK
Cave! Cave! Cave!
やばいやばいやばい!!まじでやばくない!?笑ギャル
Thomas_JCG
Read it and support the artist so we can have more of this.
読んだよ。もっと続きが読みたいから作者を応援しようぜ。普通くん
AceSoldia
Nah my man don't cave I've resisted cause I like making theories in these threads .don't abandon us
やめろよ頼むから折れるなよ!俺はスレッドで考察するのが好きだからずっと我慢してきたんだ。見捨てないでくれよッ!感情くん
tras__
hold out until the season is done then pick it up, cause after this episode, the story really gears up.
今シーズン終わるまでは待ってから見始めるのがいいよ。だってこのエピソードから話が本格的に動き出すんだ。普通くん
letohorn
Thanks for the heads up. I was about to start from Chapter 8 but I think I gonna heed your advice and wait.
おお、教えてくれてありがとう!マジで8話から読もうとしてたけど、アドバイスに従って待つことにするわ。感情くん
alex-andrite
Same. I’m sure once the season is over I’ll start the manga, if not before then
同じだな。今期終わったら絶対漫画読み始めると思う、それより早くなるかもだけど普通くん
Correct_Method_101
It really is a great show so far.
ガチで今んとこめっちゃ面白いンゴwww2ちゃん
maxdragonxiii
I already caved in only to find out its pretty hard to read legally so. uh I guess i'll give up.
あーまじで諦めたわ笑 合法的に読むのがめっちゃ大変じゃん?てかもういいや、諦めるわ〜ギャル
YurxDoug
Same, but I promised to myself that I wouldnt start reading mangas or LN that arent already finished anymore.
それな。でも俺は完結してない漫画やラノベはもう読まないって自分に誓ったんだよね。普通くん
somersault_dolphin
I think it's safer for series with authors who have great track record of finishing their works. Like, Arakawa already finished two of her own work, and illustrated several other manga, one of which she is currently doing alongside Daemons.
確かに荒川先生は過去に2作品完結させてるし、他の漫画の作画も手掛けてるから信用できる。現在進行形で『デーモンズ』と並行連載してるけど、その経験値からしても黄泉のツガイも安心して見ていられるわ。作品を完結させる実績が鍵だな。考察くん
YurxDoug
Yeah, but still, getting little drops of story every week (sometimes not even that) for years is starting to frustrate me. I decided to keep reading the mangas I already started, but wont start on going mangas anymore.
確かに、毎週少しずつしか話が進まなくて(時にはそれすらない)、それが何年も続くとイライラしてくるよね。俺はもう読み始めた漫画は続けるけど、新しく連載中の漫画は追わないことにした。普通くん
somersault_dolphin
That's fair. Though, isn't that similar with anime that never get more seasons?
せやな。でもそれって続編がないアニメと一緒やん?草2ちゃん
YurxDoug
At least the anime gives bigger chunks of story. It usually adapts a whole arc. It also allows me to find good stories that I can read after they finish.
確かにアニメの方が話のまとまりがいいよね。普通に1アーク全部やってくれるし、終わった後に原作読むきっかけにもなるんだよな。普通くん
somersault_dolphin
Something tells me you might not have watched Gachiakuta.
なんかさ、Gachiakuta観たことないっぽくない?笑ギャル
Jack_KH
Not OP, Gachiakuta is good, but this one feels different. I can't properly explain it, but it doesn't feel like a standard shonen.
OPじゃないけど、ガチアクタもいいけどこれは一味違う気がする。うまく説明できないけど、普通の少年漫画って感じじゃないんだよね。普通くん
ichigosr5
Yuru and Asa's sibling relationship is definitely the thing I love the most in this show. Even after being separated from each other for 10 years, their bond seems to have completely stayed intact.
ユルとアサの兄妹関係、この作品で一番好きすぎるッ!10年離ればなれになってたのに絆が全然変わってないのエモすぎて泣いた感情くん
mekerpan
Brother and sister relationship is great here -- But Left and Right are a great pair too. And now we saw White and Black -- who don't seem quite so cute so far.
兄弟と姉妹の関係はいいね。でも左と右のペアも良い感じだよ。そして今回白と黒が出てきたけど、今のところはそんなに可愛くない感じかな。普通くん
tripleaamin
原文
Arakawa nails the sibling dynamic here, much like she did with Ed and Al. Although it is executed well differently because Ed and Al were always together for the most part in FMA. While here we see the twins go about their separate ways. I also like how each of the twins approaches is good on its own merit. We know how Asa has been hunted and the protection she has under the Kagemoris. Plus, you can get the feeling they do care for her. While Yuru being the hunter he is, wants to take action. Though his point that Asa traded one cell for another makes sense from his POV. But for Asa, she doesn't look at it as a hindrance, I suppose.
荒川先生、ここでも兄弟姉妹の関係性を巧みに描いてるよね。鋼の錬金術師のエドとアルと同様に、但しあの時は二人がほぼ常に一緒だったのに対し、本作では双子が別々の道を歩んでいる点が異なる。それぞれのアプローチが個別に優れているのも興味深い。アサが追われていた経緯と影森家での保護、彼らが彼女を気にかけているのが伝わる。一方ユルは狩る側として行動を起こそうとしている。彼の「アサは檻を一つ別の檻に替えただけ」という主張は彼の視点からは筋が通っている。ただアサ自身はそれを束縛とは捉えていないんだろうな。考察くん
yorgy_shmorgy
MC in Silver Spoon had an older brother too.
銀の匙の主人公にも兄がいたんだよね。普通くん
EffectiveImportant51
He is really good with sibling dynamics in his works. I am always interested in his personal life. Because he seems to fascinated by it but seems to get it right. Though I would argue he does it well in an idealized sense of what it should be or why it is special. He never seems to allow for what happens when it goes all wrong.
確かに彼の作品における兄弟姉妹間の関係性の描写は秀逸だよな。個人的な生活にも興味が湧く。なぜなら彼はそのテーマに魅了されつつも、リアルに描けているからだ。ただ、理想化された「あるべき姿」や「特別な理由」としてうまく表現している、という見方もできる。しかし、関係が完全に破綻した場合については決して描かないんだよな。考察くん
0mnicious
The author is a she.
作者は女性だね。普通くん
ParasaurolophusZ
She gets right through his defenses. If she'd been a bear, he would be dead.
彼女の攻撃、完全に彼のガードすり抜けてるじゃん!もし彼女が熊だったら、もう死んでたぞッ!感情くん
DoktorSleepless
Even after being separated from each other for 10 years, their bond seems to have completely stayed intact. not really. Still seems pretty one sided. But he'll come around eventually.
10年離れ離れになっても絆は完全に変わってないっぽいね。いや、実際はそんなことないか。まだ片想いっぽいけど。でもそのうち彼もわかってくるだろ。普通くん
Thomas_JCG
Yuru is just acting tough.
ユルって強がってるだけじゃん!笑ギャル
Ikari_21
After the confirmation that Asa is his asa, he’ll definitely come around
アサが彼の「朝」だと確認できたら、きっと彼も折れると思うよ普通くん
Roeclean
Yeah, but its nice his character is still remebering the shii that went down in his vilage. While yes its nice that he pretty much has canoically confirmed that she is indeed the Real Asa, he can't simply forget about how she helped with the higasaki village massacre
せやな。でも主人公が村で起きたことをちゃんと覚えてるのは良いやん。確かに彼女が本物のアサってのは確定したけど、樋ヶ崎村の虐殺に加担した事実を忘れるわけにはいかんやろwww2ちゃん
totokekedile
To be fair, it seems he wasn't fully convinced it was her right up until that final interaction.
確かに、最後のやり取りまでは彼も完全には本人だって確信してなかったみたいだね。普通くん
Amazing_Lavishness_8
Now people can stop complaining about Yuru be "too trusting" of the Kagemori. From jump he was cautious.He didn't trust them but was willing to here out the information they had.
やばくない!?もう「ユルがカゲモリ信じすぎ」って言うのやめられるじゃん笑
最初っから警戒してたし、信頼してたわけじゃなくて情報聞くだけだったんだよね〜
まじでちゃんと見てたわギャル
F00dbAby
原文
I mean the real complaint is people don’t like how level headed he is and they want him to be actively angry and emotional even though from the first episode that’s just not his character type. Like I think for detractors it goes beyond people thinking he is too trusting and more projecting how they would react and judging him for being something he is not And like I’m not saying people can’t feel how they wanna feel about it. But personally Yuru as a character is way more interesting than someone who swears vengeful death on people. There are half a dozen anime I can watch if I wanna see that
まあ正直、みんなが言ってる不満って「主人公が冷静すぎる」ってだけで、初回からそういうキャラなのに「もっと怒れよ感情出せよ」って求めてるだけだよね。批判してる人たちは「主人公が信用しすぎ」ってより、自分だったらどうするかってのを勝手に投影して、本来のキャラじゃないもので判断してる気がする。別に感じ方は自由だけどさ。個人的にはユルの方が、復讐に燃えるタイプよりずっと面白いと思う。そういうのが見たかったら他にいくらでもアニメあるし。普通くん
splitframe
Oh so it's not just, me. Even this episode I found it weird that the topic of them slaughtering (seemingly) non combatant villagers wasn't discussed more. If someone murdered my neighbors I'd definitely would at least ask why they did it.
ワイだけかと思ったけどこの回も、戦闘員じゃなさそうな村人を殺しまくった件についてもっと掘り下げられなかったのが違和感やったわ。隣人が殺されたら少なくとも理由くらい聞くやろ普通。2ちゃん
F00dbAby
I mean the clan head explicitly said he wants to do away with the village because of their apparent plans of world domination I’m not sure how much more needs to be discussed. On yurus side I don’t think the why matters to him because regardless it’s clear it’s for ideological reasons and beyond that he won’t just forgive them no matter the why.
族長が村を潰そうとしてるって明言してたよな、世界征服計画が理由だって。これ以上議論する必要あるか?ユル側からすると理由なんてどうでもいいんだろうな。思想的な対立ってのは明白で、その先に彼が理由の如何を問わず許すことはない。考察くん
OldInstruction5368
Except Tadera confirmed there are multiple factions within the village. Only the 'extremists' as he put it are targeting Asa. So how many in the village actually want world conquest? And does every last one of them deserve to die because the Granny is a c*nt?
田寺が言う通り村の中にも複数の派閥あるやん。"過激派"っちゅう連中だけがアサを狙ってるだけやろ。つまり村全体が世界征服を望んでるわけやないんちゃう?ババアがクソ野郎やからって村人全員が死ぬ価値あるかっつーたら、それは違うやろ。2ちゃん
F00dbAby
i mean I think the kagemori clan does not think there is multiple factions and they all want the same thing although personally i do not think that they deserve to die besides those who are complicit in granny plans
影森一族は複数の派閥があるとは考えておらず、全員が同じ目的を共有していると思われる。ただ個人的には、ババアの計画に加担した者以外は死ぬべきではないという考察ができる。考察くん
somersault_dolphin
原文
I think the logic is people who aren't a complicit left the village and refuses to work for the village, which means they likely joined the Kagemori. That's the set up in episode one when they talked about people leaving the village. I don't think someone can express explicit disagreement and actually remain in the village, because all it takes is for them to blab to Yuru or try to help him escape to ruin the plan.
なるほどな。村に協力的じゃない奴は村を出て行くか、カゲモリに加担するしかないってロジックやろ。第1話で村を出て行く話が出た時点で伏線張ってたンゴね。ユルにチクったり脱走手助けされたら計画がパーやから、明確に反対意見言ったまま村に残るのは無理ゲーやわ。ワイもそう思うわ。2ちゃん
F00dbAby
I mean either that or people who left the village where specific assassins who went to kill asa but never came back
それか、村を出て行った連中がアサを殺しに行った暗殺者ってオチだよな……戻ってこなかった奴らってことか。しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
somersault_dolphin
The village is a cult. Clearly they want it because of how they tried to control Yuru. The Dera lives on the outside.
あの村、完全にカルトじゃん!ユルを支配しようとしてたし、まじでやばくね?デラは外で生きてるって感じ〜ギャル
splitframe
原文
Well Gabby (and Asa?) just straight up murdered people he considered friends, the breakfast scene could have at least have had a somewhat angry outburst or questions if they were sure that every villager was really a world domination seeking maniac or just the granny faction. The whole breakfast scene around this topic was strange, Dera as well. It was as if Yuru just accepted these answers without follow ups because it was plot convenient to do so.
ガビー(とアサ?)が友達だと思ってた人たちを平気で殺した件、朝食のシーンではせめて怒りの爆発とか「本当に全村民が世界征服を企む狂人なのか?それともおばあちゃん派閥だけなのか?」って確認する場面があっても良かったんじゃないかな。この話題の朝食シーン全体が変だったし、デラもそう。ユルが都合よくプロットを進めるために追及せずに答えを受け入れてるだけにしか見えなかった。普通くん
F00dbAby
I mean Asa didn’t kill anyone that we saw. I assume gabby has her own reasons tbh I mean if he already believes them they protected his parents and his sister from assassins I guess we have to assume he trusts that they are being honest. At least to me the kagemori don’t think there is more than one faction. Only dera claimed that there is a radical faction
アサが実際に誰かを殺した描写はなかったんだよな。ギャビーには独自の理由があるんだろう。既に両親や妹を暗殺者から守ってくれた人たちを信じているなら、彼らが正直だと信用するのも納得できる。少なくとも私の考察では、影森は単一の派閥だと思われる。過激派の存在を主張したのはデラだけだったという点を踏まえるとね。考察くん
Amazing_Lavishness_8
Not to mention, what reason would there be for Yuru to have an angry outburst? the attack of the village was mentioned a few times already.Its the main reason why he doesn't trust them and is only listening for their info on his parents.
確かに、ユルが怒り爆発させる理由なんてないよな。村の襲撃の話は何度も出てきてるし、それが彼が彼らを信用せずに親の情報だけ聞いてる主な理由だしね。普通くん
splitframe
原文
That the village was attacked was mentioned, yes, but the situations never lent themselves to exploring it further. As to why I expected an outburst or just bitter questions are emotions. The first episode established that he knew many people somewhat intimately. And the breakfast with everyone present would have been an appropriate moment to explore it more than just a comment, some flashing mind images and a little silence. Taking the topic as not at least discussion/exploration worthy seems a little jaded to me.
村が襲われた話は確かに出てたけど、話の流れ的に深掘りする場面じゃなかったンゴね。なんで主人公が爆発したり苦い質問をぶつけると思ったかって?そりゃ感情の問題やろ。第1話で彼が結構な人数と親しくしてたって描写あったやん。朝食のシーンで全員揃ってる時に、一言のコメントと頭の中のフラッシュバックとちょっとした沈黙だけで済ますより、もっと掘り下げるべきだったんちゃうかな。その話題を議論する価値すらないって扱いするのは、ちょっと冷めてる気がするわ。2ちゃん
YuushyaHinmeru
I think an outburst would be over the top but him freaking out over how good the food is while Gabby is sitting 6 feet in front of him is weird. It'd be out of character to flip out but I find the gleeful moments in those situations jarring.
確かに爆発するのはやりすぎだけど、ガビーが目の前にいるのに飯が美味すぎて浮かれるのは変だよね。キャラ的にキレるのは違うけど、そういう状況で楽しそうにしてるのがなんか違和感あるんだよな。普通くん
Jacob-C
Agreed. Also, the contrast between Asa participating in the village massacre and then gushing over everything her brother does is just not it for me.
同意。それに、アサが村の虐殺に参加してるのに、兄のやること全部に「すごい!」って感動してるギャップが無理すぎるッ!しんどい。感情くん
somersault_dolphin
Why would he have an angry outburst when he's been living by his father's teaching to keep a level head? That's just your projecting he's a hot headed battle shounen protag and not him. If this was Light Yagami from Drath Note or Norman from The Promised Neverland you wouldn't nitpick them for not having an outburst.
ワイは思うんやけど、父親の教えで冷静さ保ってきたのに急にキレるっておかしくない?それはお前が勝手に熱血バトル主人公って決めつけて投影してるだけやろ。デスノートの夜神月や約束のネバーランドのノーマンだったら「冷静すぎる」ってツッコまんやろ。2ちゃん
OldInstruction5368
原文
I mean the real complaint is people don’t like how level headed he is and they want him to be actively angry and emotional Aaaaand that's why I bounce from pretty much every shounen I try to watch: can't STAND that character type. Whether the angry shithead or more standard genki boy, I despise characters that act first, feel second, and think never. Fine, as a supporting character they can be part of a balanced cast to start the occasional drama or conflict, but as the MC? I bounce. The overly emotional and impulsive types need a firm leash on them, as otherwise, the narrative needs increasing layers of plot armor and/or idiot ball villains to keep the idiot from committing suicide.
つまり、本当の不満は「主人公が冷静すぎるのが嫌で、もっと怒りや感情を爆発させてほしい」ってことだよね。そして、それが理由で俺はほとんどの少年漫画を途中で切ってしまうんだ。ああいうキャラタイプがどうしても無理で。怒り狂うバカでも、お決まりの元気少年でも、とにかく「行動が先、感情が後、考えは絶対に後回し」なタイプが大嫌い。サブキャラとしてバランスを取るために時々ドラマや衝突を起こすならまだしも、主人公として? 俺はもう見ない。過度に感情的で衝動的なタイプにはしっかりとしたブレーキが必要だ。そうでないと、ストーリーは主人公が自殺しないようにどんどんご都合主義の防御やバカな敵を用意しなきゃいけなくなるからね。普通くん
Ikari_21
I agree, having an extremely rational and composed mc in Yuru is such a breath of fresh air. He’s all about gathering info and coming to a conclusion himself. And if it’s action, he’s about that action lol
せやな、黄泉のツガイの主人公があれだけ冷静で合理的なのは新鮮やわ。情報集めて自分で結論出すスタイルガチでいい。アクションになればしっかり動くしなwww2ちゃん
holyerthanthou
I even like the minor details. When he asked for the bow and was given a wide arrangement of options he did the most NORMAL thing. He reached for what most closely resembled what he was familiar with. There were bows MASSIVLEY more powerful and versatile for the situation… but grabbing for the unknown in a high stress environment will get you killed
細かいところまで良いんだよね。弓を頼んだらたくさん選択肢が出てきたけど、主人公は一番普通の行動を取ったんだ。自分が知ってるものに一番近いやつを選んだんだよ。もっと強力で汎用性の高い弓もあったのに…でも緊張した場面で未知のものに手を出すと死ぬってことだな。普通くん
OldInstruction5368
原文
I don't need someone that is hyper-rational, stoic, and analytical. I just need an MC with more working memory than a severely ADHD addled goldfish and a higher sense of self-preservation than a lemming cranked up on bath salts break dancing on the summit of Mount Everest. I'm just tired of overly emotional shonen MC that should by all rights be dead before the first arc is over. (Although, yes, a rational and composed MC that is mature enough to understand "emotional regulation" and "haste makes waste" is a a huge plus.)
ワイは超合理的でストイックな分析マシーンはいらんねん
ただ、ADHDの金魚よりはマシなワーキングメモリと、エベレスト山頂でバスソルトキメてブレイクダンスするレミングよりはマシな自己保存欲求を持った主人公が欲しいだけや
感情過多な少年漫画主人公にはもう飽きたわ。どう考えても最初のアーク終わる前に死んでるやろって奴ばっかで
(まあ、感情コントロールと「急がば回れ」を理解できる大人な主人公はデカいプラスやけどな)2ちゃん
Amazing_Lavishness_8
Yeah i get that but its in this situation him being level headed I could understand since he already expressed his caution. They have info he needs so thats all he was willing to hear them out for. Not to mention he's already stated he wasnt gonna trust Kagemori more then once thats what kinda irked me really.
確かにそれは分かるけど、彼が慎重さを既に示してたから、この状況で冷静だったのは理解できるよ。必要な情報があるから話を聞くだけってスタンスだったしね。それに何度も影守を信用しないって明言してたのに、それがちょっと引っかかったんだよな。普通くん
F00dbAby
Oh I agree. Like even him agreeing to go to their house only happened because he realised he was outnumbered and fighting wouldn’t amount to anything.
確かに!彼が家に行くの承諾したのも、完全に数で負けてて戦っても無駄だって気づいたからだよね。その空気感やばすぎるッ!感情くん
Amazing_Lavishness_8
Exactly he gained alot hearing out his sister and in a way their relationship although rocky can start to build in a good way.
せやな、姉貴の話聞いて成長したんやな。関係性はまだギクシャクしてるけど、これから良い方向に築いていけそうやわ。草2ちゃん
hanmkim
Those people should just watch Liar's Game.
「そういう人たちはLiar's Gameを見ればいいのにッ!」感情くん
darkthought
It's always refreshing to see an emotionally mature protagonist
感情的に成熟した主人公って本当に新鮮でいいよね普通くん
holyerthanthou
It’s AMAZINGLY refreshing that it feels like this anime is mostly a trope breaker. As if the mangaka sat down and went “how would a level headed normal person approach this” It’s like agent scully from the xfiles was a teenage boy shonen protagonist
草www このアニメ、マジでテンプレぶっ壊しにきてて爽快やわ
作者が「現実的な人間ならどう動く?」って考えたんやろな
Xファイルのスカリー捜査官が少年ジャンプ主人公になった感じやん2ちゃん
tripleaamin
Considering he got to see a picture of his parents and reconnected with Asa, his patience was well rewarded. But at the same time he is finding his own path. As at the end of the day, they did attack Yuru's home.
両親の写真を見られてアサとも再会できたし、彼の忍耐は報われたね。でも同時に自分の道も見つけてるんだよな。結局、彼らがユルの家を攻撃したのは事実だけどさ。普通くん
Amazing_Lavishness_8
Yeah honestly patience was rewarded for hearing them out since he has more knowledge about each side even if its not alot.
マジわかる!待った甲斐あったじゃん!彼、あんま詳しくないけどそれぞれの立場のことはちゃんと知ってるしね〜てかその忍耐強さやばくない!?笑ギャル
rozzingit
people were complaining about that??? he's been keeping a strict distance between himself and the kagemori this whole time. he was already being actively skeptical of what they were telling him before this episode. i feel like people complaining about that maybe weren't watching??
それに文句言ってる人いたの??最初からずっと影森との距離はしっかり保ってたし、この話の前から向こうの言うことには疑いの目を持ってたじゃん。文句言ってる人はちゃんと見てなかったんじゃないかな。普通くん
Amazing_Lavishness_8
Dawg when I tell you people where genuinely upset over that, Go look at the page for the show they were actively talking about that shit for weeks it made no sense💀.
え、まじで言うけどあれでマジギレしてる人いたんだよ!?そのアニメのページ見てみ?マジで何週間もそれについて語りまくってて、意味わかんなかったんだけど笑💀ギャル
rozzingit
原文
dang, i've casually been reading through the episode threads here, and i mostly remember people being pleasantly surprised that he was being smart about it by not just buying into everything the kagemori say! because it puts him at above average intelligence for a shounen protag lol but i believe you. there's always people who will watch the same thing and somehow totally flip the meaning on its head
確かに、各話スレを軽く読み返してみると、多くの人が「主人公が陰守の言うことを鵜呑みにせず賢く立ち回っている」と好意的に驚いていた記憶があるな。それだけで少年漫画の主人公としては平均以上の知性ってことになるんだがな(笑)。でも君の言う通りだと思う。同じ作品を見ても、意味を完全にひっくり返して解釈する視聴者は必ずいるものだ。考察くん
totokekedile
Tons of people didn't want an above-average-intelligence protag, they wanted a standard hot-blooded protag who'd pursue vengeance even at the cost of their own safety.
マジでわかる!みんな平均以上の頭脳派主人公より、自分の危険も顧みず復讐を追い求める熱血主人公が欲しかったんだよね笑ギャル
Amazing_Lavishness_8
I was suprised myself until I saw it made me shake my head.
自分でも驚いたけど、見てたら思わず首振っちゃったよ。普通くん
splitframe
I don't know what others exactly complained about, but the one thing that really irks me is that the topic of them slaughtering (seemingly) non combatant villagers doesn't really come up or is discussed in any way.
何が不満かって言うと、戦闘員じゃない村人を虐殺してるのにその話題が一切話し合われないのがムカつくンゴwww 他のやつらが何言ってるか知らんけど、ワイはそこがガチで気になるわ2ちゃん
rozzingit
i mean, yuru specifically tells the kagemori in this episode that he absolutely won't stay with them/under their protection after what they did to his village.
確かに、ユルは今回の話で明確に言ってたよね。村でやらかした奴らとは絶対に一緒にいないって。普通くん
Iron_Maw
That's literally one of central points of discussion and Yuru even acknowledges the situation far complicated than he realized and village isn't just innocent hamlet even if he doesn't agree with what they due to his own attachment to it
草、それまさに議論の中心やん。ユルも状況が思ったより複雑で村が無垢な集落じゃないって認めてるしな。本人は愛着あって同意できんけどなwww2ちゃん
Morbu
I wouldn't call it a "central point of discussion." Yuru brought it up as a reason for why he couldn't trust the Kagemori, but it really didn't feel like any of the characters realized that them attacking Higashi, killing bystander citizens, and constantly shit-talking the village in front of Yuru would maybe not be a good strategy to win him over.
「議論の中心」ってほどじゃないかな。ユルがカゲモリを信頼できない理由として挙げてたけど、東を襲ったり市民を殺したり村の悪口言いまくったりするのが、ユルの心を掴むのに逆効果だって誰も気づいてなかった感じだよね。普通くん
Iron_Maw
原文
How does that change my point? Unnless want entirely discussion pointlessly Kagemori feeling bad for people who they have been at war with before Yuru was born They weren't constantly shittaking village and Kagemori know have a normal doesn't you aren't assassin who killed people. They have family themselves and were once part of the village so they know how it works. It's outside the children its only Yuru, not Asa, not his parents, not Dera, or everyone else who don't know the truly nature of that place. They only explained their PoV because they want to lie to him like the village did. Both village and Kagemoris are rival organizations who have fighting each other for centuries anyway so there no point 8n sugarcost
せやな、でもそれってワイの言うことと変わらんやろ?
そもそも「ユルが生まれる前から戦争してた相手に同情する」って話自体が無意味やん。
カゲモリは村をクソミソに言ってたわけじゃなくて、自分らも元々村の一員やったから仕組みは分かっとる。
でも村の外の連中(アサとか親とかデラ)はあの場所の本質を知らん。
カゲモリが自分の立場を説明したのは、村と同じようにユルに嘘をつきたいだけや。
結局、村もカゲモリも何世紀も戦ってるライバル組織同士やし、甘やかす意味なんてないンゴwww2ちゃん
Kiltmanenator
He genuinely does not seem to care that they killed parents in front of children
まじで子供の目の前で親殺したことなんて気にしてなさそうじゃん!?やばすぎるんだけど笑ギャル
Zeph-Shoir
原文
As someone who was worried about it I am left super satisfied by this episode. It addressed pretty much everything, I even think that the reasoning that the Kagemori head gave for attacking the village is the strongest so far: they continuously aim to create the twins who throw the world into chaos and want to use them to govern the world. Even if you are not directly deciding that, if you contribute to that indirectly it is easier to see why and how these "morally ambigous" mafia group who are offshoots themselves of the village see it as their responsibility to stop this altogether, specially after constant assassinations.
このエピソード、めっちゃ満足度高かったわ。懸念してた身としては。ほぼ全部説明してくれたし、何より影守の頭領が村を襲撃した理由が今までで一番説得力あったな。双子を作り続けて世界を混乱に陥れて、それを利用して支配しようとしてるわけでしょ。直接決めてなくても間接的に加担してたら、村から派生した「グレーな」マフィア集団が、特に暗殺が続いた後だと全部止める責任があるって思うのもわかるわ。普通くん
maxdragonxiii
he saw Asa alive and well, and they helped him in the raid, but he never once lets his guard down fully. neither does Left and Right either.
アサが無事で襲撃を手伝ってくれたの見たけど、アイツは一瞬も警戒緩めてないンゴwww レフトとライトも同じやな。ガチで油断ゼロやわ。2ちゃん
Kiltmanenator
There's cautious and then there's being apathetic about these people killing his neighbors in front of their children. He seems genuinely unfazed
確かに慎重さと無関心は別物だよな。目の前で隣人が子供の前で殺されてるのに、全く動じてないように見えるんだよね。普通くん
TyraniTEMPESTar
" What's a mangaka? ". Yuru facing an existential question about his universe lol
「マンガ家って何?」ってユラが自分の世界の根源的な問いに向き合ってるの笑うwww感情くん
Hounds_of_war
原文
Man, Black and White are such a cool power. Love how Hikaru being a mangaka makes it so much more busted, he’d be really scary if he was at all interested in the family business. While Asa’s bro-con shtick can be a bit much, I feel like her circumstances help justify it a lot. Separated from her brother when she was six, parents have disappeared and are possibly dead, didn’t know for sure that Yuru was alive until a few days ago, her whole life has been spent either on the run or locked away, and her only friend her own age seems to have been Gabby. Of course she is obsessed with her brother.
黒と白の能力、めっちゃかっこいいよね。ヒカルが漫画家って設定でさらにチートになってるの笑うわ。もし彼が一族の仕事に興味持ってたら本当に怖かっただろうな。アサのブラコン気質はちょっと過剰に感じることもあるけど、状況考えたら納得できるよ。6歳で兄と離れ離れになって、両親は行方不明で多分死亡、ユルが生きてるって確信持てたのも数日前だし、人生ずっと逃亡か監禁生活で同年代の友達ってギャビーだけだったんじゃない?そりゃ兄に執着もするわな。普通くん
PerfectBeige
While Asa’s bro-con shtick can be a bit much, I actually really like how she is being portrayed. I thought when Yuru gave that super cool speech about forging his own way forward and not hiding she would be floored by admiration, but no she got in his face all "ani-sama no baka!" out of frustration and concern. She adores him but still has a spine and her own opinions.
アサのブラコン気味なのはちょっとウザいとこもあるけど、ワイは結構好きやで。ユルが「自分の道を突き進む」ってカッコいいスピーチした時、普通なら感激して見惚れるとこやん?でもアサは「兄様のバカ!」って怒りと心配でツッコんだんや。兄貴大好きだけど、ちゃんと自分の意見持ってて芯があるんよな。2ちゃん
Zeph-Shoir
I am more bothered by seeing people calling her a bro-con. I get what you mean, but when the trope is so often associated for horny-bait stuff it is at the very least distracting
それな!「ブラコン」って言われてるの見るとちょっとモヤるんだよね笑
わかるっちゃわかるけど、その属性って大体エロ枠で使われるからさあ〜話の邪魔になるんだよな!ギャル
justonepiece123
I mean, she's not exactly helping the allegations.
まあ、彼女の行動が疑われるのも仕方ないよね。普通くん
Zeph-Shoir
Sure, the show is definitely playing it up for laughs, but it still is a world of difference from the brocons who wake up their big bro from bed while straddling them.
せやな、確かにギャグ路線でやってるのはわかるンゴwww でもあの兄貴の上にまたがって起こすブラコンどもとは比べもんにならんレベルやろ。2ちゃん
justonepiece123
Right, but the thing is, the show has unfortunately played around with the joke enough that I wouldn't even be surprised if a scene of something like her watching him sleep did happen To be clear, given who the author is, I'm not actually expecting anything genuinely sus. But yea, the trope is groanworthy for a reason.
確かに。でもこの作品、そういうネタを何度かやってるから、彼女が彼の寝顔を見つめるシーンが来ても驚かないんだよね。もちろん作者が誰か分かってるから、本当にヤバい展開は期待してないけど。でもそういうお決まりのパターンにはウンザリさせられるってのは分かるわ。普通くん
Jacob-C
原文
Exactly. It is very much groanworthy. I don't want to see brocon stuff unless it's in self-aware comedy shows like Alya. I would have a much easier time warming up to her character if not for that stuff. And to be honest, it's not really the brocon antics themselves that bug me the most. It's the contrast between her participating in the village attack and then acting so lovey dovey towards him that makes me go "ugh... have some tact". While I now know that Asa is a much better person, because of the formerly mentioned uncomfortable contrast, she gives me slight Esdeath vibes.
同意。まさにその通りで、かなり白ける要素だよな。『時々ボソッとロシア語でデレる隣のアーリャさん』みたいな自覚的なコメディ作品ならともかく、ブラコン要素は見たくないものだ。ああいう要素がなければ、彼女のキャラクターにもっと親しみを持てたはず。正直なところ、問題なのはブラコン的な行動そのものよりも、村を襲撃した後にあんなにラブラブな態度を取るギャップの方だ。「えぇ…空気読めよ」ってなる。今ではアサがずっと良い人間だと分かっているけど、前述の不快なコントラストのせいで、ちょっとエスデスを彷彿とさせるんだよな。考察くん
Myrkrvaldyr
Black and White are such a cool power. Love how Hikaru being a mangaka makes it so much more busted, Yeah, if that power lets him draw anything from his imagination, being an artist gives him god-tier compatibility with those tsugai. He'd be hella scary if he were evil or bloodthirsty.
黒と白の能力めっちゃかっこいいよね。ヒカルが漫画家って設定でさらにチートになってるの好きだわ。想像したものを描けるなら、アーティストってだけでツガイとの相性神レベルじゃん。もし悪役とか殺戮者だったらめっちゃ怖そう。普通くん
psyclical
If he had Junji Ito type of imagination, he'd be a chaos lord
もし伊藤潤二クラスの発想力持ってたら、カオス極まりないやろうなwww2ちゃん
F00dbAby
It does make me wonder how would black and white work with someone who isn’t an artist. Like could they utilise it in different ways
黒と白の能力が、芸術家じゃない人と組んだらどうなるのか気になるな。別の使い方ができるのかもね。普通くん