+1840
B4N_C1
The little kid to Asa: "You know, your brother is merciless." she says after murdering his entire village...
Alright if you say so...
そのガキ、アサに「お前の兄ちゃんは容赦ないんだぜ」って言うんか。村人全員殺しといてそりゃねーわ…
まあ言うならそうやけどな…2ちゃん+571
jazzy753
exactly my thought as well after Jin Kagemori call Yuru brutal after Gabi told him how she got injured. Old Yamaha must be super evil for me to feel any sympathy for Asa's side
それな!ジンがユルを「冷酷」って言った時、まさに同じこと思ったわ。ガビが怪我の話した後だしね。てか、アサ側に少しでも同情しちゃうってことは、あのじいさんマジで極悪非道なんじゃね?笑ギャル+225
Jacob-C
Even if the granny is evil, I have a hard time believing all of those murdered villagers were. Unless I'm wrong, or unless Asa got manipulated into thinking they were evil, I will continue to resent her.
婆さんが悪人だとしても、殺された村人全員がそうだとは信じがたいな。俺の勘違いか、アサが「みんな悪人だ」って洗脳されてるんじゃない限り、彼女を恨み続けると思う。普通くん+208
Accipiter1138
Even if they are all a bunch of crazed cultists, it still seems remarkably cruel of them to not only be completely unbothered by the violence as well as the fact they left all their soldiers to die.
Arakawa does a good job with characters, but Asa and Gabi are going to have to work *really god damned hard* to look even remotely justified.
たとえ全員が狂ったカルト信者だとしても、暴力にまったく動じず、兵士たちを見捨てて死なせたのはかなり残酷だよな。
荒川はキャラ描写が上手いけど、アサとガビが正当性を少しでも示すには相当頑張らないといけないだろうな。ドライおじ+176
redlaWw
The choice to leave the kids alive does seem to suggest that they had something specific against the adults.
確かに。子供たちを生かしたってことは、大人だけが標的だった可能性が高いよね。普通くん+16
No-Dragonfly-8679
All of those villagers were old enough to know the true story about Asa’s disappearance. I think there’s more going on with the village as a whole than just Granny
確かに!あの村人たち、全員アサの失踪の真相を知ってる年齢じゃん?ただのばあちゃんだけの問題じゃなくて、村全体に何かあるっぽくね?ギャル+8
MonaganX
Some of the more beloved characters of FMA are mass murderers and genocidal war criminals so I'd say Arakawa has a pretty good track record of making characters that have done horrible things still feel sympathetic.
まあ鋼の錬金術師の人気キャラに大量殺人者や戦争犯罪人がいるってのは確かだな。荒川先生は酷いことをしたキャラにも共感を持たせるのが上手いんだろう。ドライおじ+27
jazzy753
Asa already seems to have seeds for sympathy with her not attacking Danji and his mum unlike the little psycho Gabi
確かにw アサはダンジと母親を襲わなかった時点でガビみたいなクソガキより遥かにマシだわ笑wwwおじ+17
Buzenbazen
True, although there's a pretty big difference in *enjoying* it like Gabi seemed to do. As opposed to said beloved FMA characters clearly being scarred/feeling regretful for their actions.
確かに。某(それがし)もそう思うでござる。ただし、ガビのように殺戮を楽しむのと、鋼の錬金術師の愛されキャラどもが自らの行いに傷つき後悔しているのとでは、大違いであるな。武士+8
Lindbrum
I think it has to be with her delaying the birth of Yuru, thus separating Asa (in the night) and Yuru (in the day)
まじでそれ!景森ジンがユルを「残忍」って言ったとこ、ガビの怪我の話聞いた後に出てきたから超納得じゃん?
ユルの誕生を遅らせたことで、アサ(夜)とユル(昼)を分離したって話、やばくね?ギャル+16
SouzaTri
Minor correction Yuru was born at night with Asa born in the morning.
ちょっと修正だけど、ユルは夜に生まれて、アサは朝に生まれたんだよね。普通くん+34
Ikari_21
Right?? I’m intrigued how the story will play out and if it’ll touch on the villagers. Cause as of right now I hate her for brutally murdering them all when they *seem* innocent and oblivious. Interested in seeing how they shed light and if they can make me change my opinion on Gabby haa
そう…あの幼子がアサに告げたのだ、「お前の兄は無慈悲だ」と。村を全て屠った後に。
確かに、我は今のところ彼女を憎悪している——無実で無知に見える村人たちを惨殺したのだからな。だが、この物語がどう転ぶのか、興味が尽きぬ。村人たちの真実が明かされ、ガビィへの見方が覆る日が来るのか…その運命の歯車を見極めたいのだ。中二病+76
saga999
原文
I highly doubt they are innocent. In the first episode, the granny was very excitedly telling the mother to hold on from giving birth to the 2nd kid because they will command the Daemons someday. Then after the birth, the man in the morning was very distressed saying the children dividing night and day have been born. Combine with the reaction of the Oshirasama this episode hearing about the twins, it seems very much like a bad thing. So, who would get excited over a bad thing? So she already sounded like a bad guy. Commanding the Daemons sounded like a lot of power. Bad guys getting excited at the power? Asa coming back hellbent on revenge? Even if they don't turn out to be bad guys, I highly doubt they are completely innocent.
Asa's parent "fled" the village with her. You fled from bad situations. Granny had to get a fake sister to keep Yuru around, meaning finding out the truth means Yuru would have left and Granny doesn't want that. His family had to flee, but Yuru could have left on his own. And considering Yuru can control Left and Right, I can only assume Granny wants to control Yuru for his power to command Daemons for some reason. The reason could be good or bad, since it's only my speculation that granny is bad. But since the family "fled" and considering how happy Asa was at knowing Yuru is alive, that means Yuru could be in danger by being in the village. At least that's how Asa saw it.
But Dera and Hana did seem in awe of seeing Oshirasama. Typically bad guys don't have that reaction, but that doesn't mean bad guys can't. Since they are on the side of the village, perhaps the village aren't bad. So far, my read on this is both sides are in shades of grey, well intended but will commit atrocities for their perceived greater good.
村人たちが無実とは到底思えないな。1話でババアが「いつか悪魔を操るから」と第二子の出産を待てと興奮して母親に言ってたシーン、覚えてる? その後、朝に男が「昼夜を分ける子供が生まれた」と動揺してた。今回のエピソードで双子の話にオシラサマが反応したのを合わせると、どう考えても悪い方向に働いてる。悪いことに興奮するのは誰か? つまりババアは最初から黒だ。悪魔を操るってのは大きな力だ。悪者が力に興奮する。アサが復讐に燃えて戻ってくる。仮に村人が完全な悪じゃなくても、無実とは思えない。
アサの親は彼女を連れて村から「逃げた」。逃げるのは危険な状況からだ。ババアは偽の妹を使ってユルを引き留めてた。真実を知ればユルは去るからだ。ユルの家族は逃げたが、ユル自身は自発的に去れたはず。そしてユルが左右を操れることを考えると、ババアは何らかの目的でユルの悪魔操る力を支配したがってる。目的が善か悪かは推測の域だが、家族が「逃げた」ことと、アサがユルの生存を知って喜んだことを踏まえると、ユルは村にいると危険だ。少なくともアサはそう見てる。
ただ、デラとハナはオシラサマに畏敬の念を抱いてた。典型的な悪役はそういう反応をしないが、絶対とは言えない。彼らが村側考察くん+74
Ikari_21
原文
I get what you’re saying, however all of proves my thought that it’s the chief and elders that are shady. The villagers couldn’t even see the daemons and had no idea what was happening. That’s where I’m getting at. Yes I have a feeling the heads of the village are shady, but not the normal villagers who were brutally murdered in front of their children. However in the end we just have to wait and see what the story shows us.
せやな、言いたいことはわかるわ。でもやっぱり黒幕は村長とか長老連中やろ。村人たちは悪魔すら見えとらんし何が起きてるかも知らんかったんや。ワイが言いたいのはそこやねん。村の上層部は怪しいけど、子供の前で無惨に殺された一般村民は違うと思うわ。まあ最終的には今後の展開待ちやけどな。2ちゃん+57
DaRootbear
原文
I mean if theyre aware that the asa in the cage was a daemon who was just there to trick yuru…
Or even if they werent aware they were fine leaving a little girl in a cage to control yuru…
And you have to assume there was a reason their parents ran away with asa without seeking help from anyone in the village.
I don’t know if they deserve death but they feel closer to Konoha Adults from Naruto, where they are anything but innocent and oblivious. Even with just the bitta info we have so far.
It feels incredibly “Cult village trying to fuck with prophecy kids heads to control them in some fashion”
確かに。もし村人たちが檻の中のアサがユルを騙すための妖魔だって認識してたとしたら…
あるいは気づいてなかったとしても、小さな女の子を檻に入れてユルをコントロールしようとしてたってことだしな。
両親が村の誰にも助けを求めずにアサを連れて逃げたのにも理由があるはずだし。
全員が死に値するかはわからないけど、ナルトの木ノ葉の大人たちに近い感じがするよ。無実でも無知でもないって点で。今の情報だけでもそう思える。
なんか「予言の子を操ろうとするカルト村」って感じがすごいんだよな。普通くん+23
Accipiter1138
Yeah, but that's the weird thing- even if the village were all cultists, the indifference they showed both to the massacre as well as the deaths of all the soldiers- actually, they treat the dead soldiers as an inconvenience- it's not like FMA where Mustang and the others were all clearly tortured by what they'd done in Ishval.
確かに、でもそこが奇妙な点だな。たとえ村人全員がカルト信者だったとしても、彼らが虐殺と全兵士の死の両方に対して示した無関心——実際、死んだ兵士たちを「厄介事」として扱っている——これは『鋼の錬金術師』でマスタングたちがイシュヴァールでの行為に明確に苦しめられていたのとは違うんだよな。この無感情さは、何か別の伏線——もしかすると村人たち自身が既に「人間ではない」存在か、あるいは精神操作を受けている可能性——を示唆していると思われる。考察くん+19
Ikari_21
原文
IF. How do we know they know she a daemon? We don’t even know what the chief told them? What if she told the villagers she got a disease or something and has to be isolated? What if their parents left cause they don’t agree with the *chief* or elders? Normal village folk have nothing to do with that. They may not be innocent hence why I said *seem* innocent for now, but she brutally slaughtered them in front of kids. Cmon now
もし村人たちがユルのことをデーモンだと知ってたって確証ある?族長が何を伝えたかすら分かってないし。もしかしたら「病気だから隔離する」って説明してる可能性もあるし、両親が族長や長老の方針に反対して村を出た可能性だってあるだろ。普通の村人はそんな事情に関わってない。彼らが無実とは限らないから「今のところ無実っぽい」って言ったけど、でも子供たちの前であれだけ虐殺するのはさすがにやりすぎだろ。普通くん+5
FlameDragoon933
Well, Gabby is cute so she gets a pass.
ふむ…確かにガビィは愛らしい存在よ。あの無邪気な瞳に宿る光、まさに運命のいたずらと言えよう。だが、その輝きがいつまで続くかは、我が目で確かめるほかないのだ。中二病+8
BosuW
We could say she speaks with authority on the matter...
Rather, isn't he merciful for not immediately nailing her neck if he could land those shots? Unless he was simply torturing her...
それな!確かに彼女はその件に関してはエラそうに語れる立場だよな笑
でも逆に、あの距離で撃てたなら即首を狙わなかった時点で優しいって言えるんじゃね?まあ単に弄んでただけかもしれないけどさ…ギャル+22
LauraUwOx
seemed to me like he was trying to immobilise her, he went for the leg and the shoulder the first two shots
むしろ彼は優しい方だよね。最初の2発は足と肩狙ってたし、動けなくしようとしてただけっぽい普通くん+52
drunkenvalley
Definitely trying to get answers before murder.
確かに!殺す前に情報を引き出そうとしてたんだな、マジで容赦ないッ!感情くん+21
Say_o_nara
That part made me giggle, and then it annoyed me a little. I hope they had a good explanation for that, most villagers seemed oblivious to what was happening
あのシーンはちょっと笑っちゃったけど、その後ちょっとムカついたな。村人たちは何が起きてるか気づいてなさそうだったし、ちゃんとした説明があるといいんだけど。普通くん+8
TyraniTEMPESTar
I honestly can't tell who I'm supposed to be rooting for yet.
Yuru and the villagers, or Asa and these Kagemori mercenaries.
But it seems like Yamaha, might not be a sweet little ol' innocent granny.
正直、まだ誰を応援すべきか判断しかねるな。ユルと村人たちか、朝(アサ)とカゲモリ傭兵団か。
ただ、ヤマハはただの可愛いおばあちゃんってわけじゃなさそうだ。このキャラ描写を踏まえると、彼女には何か裏の思惑が隠されている可能性が高いと考察できる。考察くん+433
EyeDeeAh_42
I think you're only supposed to be rooting for the protagonist right now. But I guess this series is a lot darker and has a lot more gray area than the strictly "good guys/bad guys" thing in FMA
確かに今は主人公側を応援するしかない感じだよね。でもFMAみたいな完全な善悪二分じゃなくて、このシリーズはもっとダークでグレーゾーンが多いと思う。普通くん+190
Sekraan
Even in FMA, many of the "good guys" did horrible things, and many of the "bad guys" had good aspects or were capable of redemption.
確かに、鋼の錬金術師でも「正義の味方」とて恐ろしい業を背負い、「悪党」にも救いの光があったでござる。本作も同じく、単純な善悪で語れぬ深い物語であるな。武士+206
MonsterKiller112
Bruh FMA good guys were war criminals. Mustang. Hughes all participated in the Ishvahalan war.
それな!しかもマスタングとかヒューズとか、イシュヴァール戦争に加わってるしね。まじでグレーゾーンすぎるじゃん笑ギャル+148
EyeDeeAh_42
True, but we didn't get to learn their past till much later in the game. And even then, it was pretty obvious that they all regretted their role in the war. No one really wanted to be there.
せやな、でもその過去が明かされたのはめっちゃ後やったやん。しかも全員が戦争での役割を後悔してたのは明らかやったしな。誰も本当はあんなとこ行きたくなかったンゴwww2ちゃん+56
nofaxxspitintruflego
for now my theory is asa is being manipulated and all kagemoris can go to hell but, im pretty sure its gonna be the fun kind of complex
i know im BRIMMING with questions, reminds me of the time tokyo ghoul s1 came out, just every frame oozing peak
***also im in LOVE with left and right (a little more with left for obvious reasons uwu)***
現時点での考察だが、アサは何かに操られている可能性が高い。そして全ての影守は地獄に落ちればいいと思っている。ただ、この複雑さは面白い方向に進むと確信している。
自分でも疑問で頭がパンクしそうだ。まさに東京喰種1期が放送された頃を思い出すな。どのカットも最高のクオリティが滲み出ている。
***あと、左右が大好きだ(もちろん理由があって左の方が少し好きだけどねuwu)***考察くん+25
No_Construction4157
I find it a bit hard to believe that Asa is being manipulated considered her parents ran away with her. Regardless, so far the only character that's been manipulated is Yuru.
確かに、両親がアサを連れて逃げたって設定だと操られてる説は信じづらいかもね。でも現時点で操られてるのはユルだけってのは同意。普通くん+14
MoonBearIsNotAmused
Idk those villagers seemed innocent. And so did the children watching their parents die. It seems the only people who understood what was going on was granny and the man that saved yoru
わかる~!でもあの村人たち、無実っぽくなかった?親が殺されるの見てる子供たちもそうだし。事情わかってたのって、婆ちゃんと夜を助けた男だけじゃね?ギャル+5
Zonca
All the villagers better be in on some crazy evil rituals, or idk how they plan on Asa and Gabi's faction being sympathetic in any way...
村人たちは全員、何かやばい邪悪な儀式でもやってないと、アサとガビ派に同情できる要素がない気がするな…どうやって共感させるつもりなんだろうね。普通くん+180
B4N_C1
They decapitated all the adults in front of their kids which are going to be traumatized for life, all the adults in the village must be very evil to justify this type of cleansing...
確かにw 子供たちの前で大人全員の首切るとかまじかよ…村の連中よっぽど悪党じゃないとこの浄化作戦は正当化できんわなwwwwおじ+150
Lunchb0xx87
"o don't worry i dont kill kids ..i just leave them as traumatized orphans"
「子供は殺さないよ…ただトラウマ抱えた孤児にするだけ」って、それ十分やばすぎるだろ。普通くん+86
goffer54
There is no way you can justify killing someone in front of their kids, no matter how evil they are. Shit's just cruel and there's no way those kids did anything to deserve that.
確かに…子供の前で親を殺すのは絶対に許されない。どんなに悪人でもあれはやりすぎだし、子供たちは何も悪くないのに。しんどすぎる。感情くん+59
Zonca
My other theory is that the villagers were some kind of Eldian level threat, but that doesn't really match since they left the kids and also a few others alive.
確かに、その理論だと大人だけを殺して子供たちを残した理由が説明できないよね。村人全員が脅威だったわけじゃないってことかもな。普通くん+29
justking1414
Kids, mind you, who are probably gonna die without adult supervision. Maybe the plan was to send them all to an orphanage after all the adults were dead but that didn’t happen so those kids are kinda screwed.
せやな、しかも大人がおらんくて多分そのまま死ぬやろなってガキどもやで。全部の大人殺した後で孤児院送りにするプランやったかもしれんけど、実際はそうなってないし、あのガキら詰んでるンゴwww2ちゃん+8
Lavajackal1
Yeah they're going to have to do a lot to justify that massacre to me. More likely we end up in the both sides suck and Yuru is stuck in the middle scenario I guess.
それな。あの虐殺を正当化するにはかなりの説明が必要すぎる。多分、両方ヤバくてユルが板挟みになるパターンに落ち着くんだろうな…しんどい。感情くん+50
BosuW
I don't think the villagers directly did anything, but Asa hates them anyway for "looking the other way".
それな!村民たちが直接手を下したわけじゃないけど、アサ的には「見て見ぬふりしたやつらも同罪」って感じなんだよね。まじでその怒りわかるわ〜笑ギャル+14
MannyOmega
Agreed, think granny and a select few may be involved but the rest are complicit in varying degrees.
それな。おばあちゃんと一部の村人は関わってるかもしれないけど、残りは程度の差こそあれ共犯だと思う。普通くん+16
Lraund
Even if they did something, they showed almost no resistance. No reason why they couldn't have just walked in an did whatever they wanted with no resistance except for maybe that old woman.
確かに!村民が直接手を下してなくても、見て見ぬふりしてた時点でアサからしたら同罪じゃん?てか抵抗ほぼゼロってやばくね?あの婆さん以外はまじで何もできなかったんだろうな笑ギャル+15
CitronClassic672
That was my impression too, less that most were directly bad but simply complicit and Asa didn’t give a shit.
確かに、直接悪いことをしたわけじゃなくても、見て見ぬふりしてたってだけでアサにとっては同罪って感じだよね。普通くん+8
drunkenvalley
Also let's be real: Asa and gang didn't know who was friend or foe. Dera should've been an easy target to, and he flipped around and murdered most of the squad. In that situation I suspect any adult were kill on sight.
Seeing the village was deeply hidden, it's hard to have intel prepared on targets.
確かに、アサたちが敵味方の識別ができなかった点は重要だな。デラが簡単な標的のように見えて、実際は隊の大半を返り討ちにしたという事実を踏まえると、あの状況では大人は全員即排除対象と見なすのが合理的な判断だったと思われる。
村が深く隠蔽されている以上、事前に対象の情報を準備するのは困難だったという考察ができる。考察くん+7
0mnicious
If they are in on it then it's way more than "looking the other way" they are active participants.
それな!「見て見ぬふり」どころじゃなくて、むしろ積極的に加担してるじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル+5
mekerpan
原文
The interesting tidbit here is that Asa and Yuru's parents fled with her -- and were unable to bing him along. Why did they flee? That suggests that something is problematic with this village. Then we learn that the villagers created a fake Asa (looks like maybe recycling a demon of some sort to impersonate her) -- in order to keep Yuru tied down in the village. Another strike down against the village. But not counting the village, there appear to be (at least) two contesting factions who want Yuru -- for some reason. Lots of mysteries to be unraveled.
Looks like yet another Saturday keeper -- this is getting to be a problem....
せやな、確かにどっち応援すればええかまだわからんよな。ここで興味深いのは、アサとユルの両親が彼女連れて村から逃げたってことや。で、ユルだけ連れて行けんかった。なんで逃げたんや?ってことは、この村に何か問題あるってことやろ。んで、村人たちは偽アサ(多分悪魔かなんか使いまわしてる?)作って、ユルを村に縛り付けてるのが判明。これで村にさらに疑惑が。でも村以外にも、なんか理由あってユルを狙ってる勢力が少なくとも2つあるっぽい。謎多すぎて草。つかまた土曜日かよ、これ結構やばいンゴねぇ……2ちゃん+162
New_Cockroach_505
Also they spared all the children
それな。子供たち全員助けたのもエモすぎるッ!感情くん+38
Julius-Light
Sasuga Arakawa. Making us root for both sides...
さすが荒川先生。どっちの味方にもなりたくなるよね。普通くん+6
Haha91haha
Left and Right's side!
Have a feeling it might be more complicated than simple good or bad though, going by the fake sister's expression I wonder if she is indeed fully sentient, if she is, even if an imposter the relationship she and Yuru developed could have some genuine truth and affection to it, curious to see their reunion.
左右サイドだな!
単純な善悪では済まないかもしれないという予感がする。偽の妹の表情を見る限り、彼女が完全に自我を持っているのか気になる。もしそうなら、たとえ偽物でもユルと築いた関係には本物の真実と愛情がある可能性がある。二人の再会が楽しみだ。考察くん+105
SpotMaleficent9900
Tbh it’s not rooting, they killed innocent people and left children to be orphaned, I don’t know how this show will make me personally like them or understand their part, even if they show their part I will still hate them for murdering innocent people.
確かに、応援っていうよりさ…無実の人殺して子供たちを孤児にしてる時点で、どうやってこの作品が俺に彼らを好きにさせたり理解させたりするのかわかんないよ。たとえ彼らの事情を見せられても、無実の人を殺したって事実は変わらないし、俺は嫌いなままだと思う。普通くん+53
SomeTool
Do we know they are innocent? They treated Yoru well, but kept his sister in a cage in a basement in order to make sure that he felt like he needed to stay and not go after his parents.
確かにそうだけど、でもあいつら本当に無実なのか?夜には優しくしてたけど、妹を地下室の檻に閉じ込めてたんだぞ。親を追いかけさせないために、夜に"ここにいなきゃ"って思わせるために。マジでムカつくわ。感情くん+56
Coranis
Is his fake sister even human or is she a daemon too?
同意。偽の妹って人間なのか、それともデーモンなのか気になるな。普通くん+30
MokonaModokiES
at the very least they didnt seem to be aware of how things were outside the village either and they definetly wererent prepared to fight and didnt seem to have the ability to see the Tsugais. There might be more to them but we can say one thing for sure.
they were defenseless and unable to fight back.
少なくとも彼らは村の外の状況を把握しておらず、戦闘準備もなく、ツガイを見る能力も持っていなかった。彼らにはまだ謎があるかもしれないが、確かなことは言える――彼らは無防備で、反撃する術を持っていなかった、という考察ができる。考察くん+19
justking1414
I’m still rooting for sis and the dentist girl to suffer a bit for their little genocide
確かにわかる!でも私はまだ妹と歯科医の娘にはちょっと痛い目見てほしいかな〜笑 あの大量虐殺の件があるしね!ギャル+22
Accipiter1138
Also, shoutout to them just leaving their soldiers behind and feeling *inconvenienced* that they all apparently died.
Say what you will about Colonel Mustang or General Armstrong. At the very least they would have checked for survivors and retrieved the bodies.
確かに、彼女たちが兵士たちを見捨てて、全滅したことに「面倒だな」程度の反応しかしなかったのは、キャラクター性の深い部分を露呈しているな。マスタング大佐やアームストロング将軍なら、生存確認や遺体収容を最優先するはずだ。この差は、指揮官としての倫理観の欠如というより、彼女たちが「人間」ではなく「道具」として兵士を見ている証拠だと思われる。制作陣が意図的に描いた、彼女たちの人間性の歪みを象徴する伏線的なシーンだったのかもしれない。考察くん+8
Jacob-C
Same, it will be very hard to redeem them for me.
それな、俺にとってもあの二人を許すのはかなり難しいと思う。普通くん+6
Lunchb0xx87
the parents seem to know something seeing how they took her out of the village and wanting him out as well ..and we still don't know why fake asa was locked up it seemed normal to everyone ..the village coul;d very well be some dark place
両親は彼女を村から連れ出そうとし、主人公も外に出したがってる時点で何か知ってるんだろうな。そして偽アサがなぜ監禁されてたのか未だに不明で、村人全員がそれを普通に受け入れてるのが不気味だ。つまり、この村自体が何か闇を抱えている可能性が高いという考察ができる。考察くん+14
DontCareTho
I'm getting the feeling that whoever runs Asa's group are bad news and manipulating/deceiving her and the other girl.
How they slaughtered the villagers seemed way too brutal otherwise
せやな、アサのグループの上層部は絶対ロクな奴らじゃないわ。あの村人たちの殺し方見る限り、ワイもアサとあの娘は利用されてるだけやと思うンゴwww2ちゃん+10
Jacob-C
Yup, I think the parents and the grandma are in a feud of sorts and the parents didn't care if innocent civilians got murdered. Either the entire village is evil or Asa's parents manipulated her into thinking they were evil. Those are seemingly the only two ways Asa and Gabby can be redeemed for me right now.
そうだね。両親と祖母の間で何か確執があって、両親は無関係な民間人が殺されても気にしてなかった感じがする。村全体が悪いか、あるいはアサの両親が彼女に村を悪者だと思い込ませてるか。今のところアサとギャビーが救われる方法はその2つくらいしか思いつかないな。普通くん+6
lordposedyon
Never trust the old. Never.
わかる~!どっち応援すればいいか迷っちゃうよね笑
でも老人は絶対信じちゃダメだってば!マジで!ギャル+6
EyeDeeAh_42
原文
>Blond hair in braids
Red jacket
Short-tempered
Gets called a runt
Close enough, welcome back Edward Elric. Though I guess Gabby's a lot more needlessly bloodthirsty than Ed. I really appreciate that Yuru is strong enough to seriously damage her though, kid's not fucking around with the bow and arrows. He is a hunter through and through.
Also, I love the majestic Lady Left with her majestic muscles <3 Those pair of teeth stand no chance against her.
金髪三つ編み
赤いジャケット
短気
チビ呼ばわり
もうほぼエドだな。ただガビーはエドより無駄に血の気が多い気がするけど。でもユルの弓の威力がガチで彼女にダメージ与えてるの良かったわ。あの子マジで容赦ないな、立派なハンターだよ。
あと、麗しき左様のたくましい筋肉も大好き<3 あの歯の連中には敵わないな。普通くん+382
FarCritical
Heard someone call her "Little Ed Riding Hood" and that title's kinda stuck with me since
誰かが彼女のこと「小さなエドの赤ずきん」って呼んでるの聞いて、それ以来その呼び方が頭から離れないんだよね。めっちゃしっくりくるし、優勝。感情くん+216
SmileyTheSmile
> little ed
man knows what's up
それな。「Little Ed」って呼び方、確かにしっくりくるわ。普通くん+41
EyeDeeAh_42
That's going to stick to my mind now, ngl. I guess Yuru is the wolf in this case, which makes sense given his hunter personailty.
「リトル・エド・ライディングフード」って呼び方、マジで脳に焼き付いたわ。ユルが狼ってのも納得すぎる、彼のハンター気質考えたらしっくりくるし!感情くん+14
IndependentMacaroon
Her color scheme was basically an accident, everyone just assumed Ed Elric colors and Arakawa went with it
配色は完全に偶然だったんだよね。みんながエド・エルリックのカラーだと思っただけで、荒川先生もそのまま採用したって話。普通くん+124
EyeDeeAh_42
Yeah, I know. Arakawa's assistants just unanimously decided that she'd resemble Edward. I just found it hilarious when Yuru called her a runt.
せやな、知ってるで。荒川先生のアシスタントが勝手に「エドっぽくしよ」って決めたって話やろ。
ユルがチビって言ったシーンはワイも草生えたわwww2ちゃん+98
BosuW
Yuru: Ed if he wasn't chibi
Gabby: Ed if he was evil
ユル:もしエドがチビじゃなかったら
ギャビ:もしエドが悪役だったら
確かに、それっぽいな。普通くん+38
SouzaTri
Honestly Yuru looks like a male Risa and Asa kinda resembles a female Mustang to me
確かに!ユルって完全にリサの男版だし、アサはマスタングの女版って感じだよね。その例えしっくりくるわ〜!感情くん+50
HippiesBeGoneInc
oh god i cant unsee it now
それなwww ユルってマジでリサの男版やんけ 草 もう元に戻れんわ2ちゃん+16
ShiftyM1
I like how she gets shot in the exact arm and leg that Ed loses
それな。まさにエドが失った腕と脚をピンポイントで撃たれてるのがいいよね。普通くん+12
hasanman6
People on social media where calling gabby overpowered after the first episode. This episode shows that thats not the case and that its dumb to judge a character’s strength based on a fight in episode 1 against nobodies
SNSで1話放送直後に「ギャビー強すぎ」って騒いでた連中、今回のエピソードで完全に論破されたな。エピソード1のモブ相手の戦闘だけでキャラの実力を判断するのは愚策だという典型例だ。制作陣は意図的に序盤で過大評価させて、後で現実を見せる構成にしていると考察できる。考察くん+236
Haha91haha
Never bring teeth to a GUNS fight, Left flexing on Gabby, literally.
それな!初回であいつチートすぎって言われてたけど、今回でちゃんとバランス取れてきたじゃん笑
歯で銃に挑むとか無謀すぎだし、レフトがガビにマジでマウント取ってて草ギャル+124
Fluid_Pause2149
Never bring teeth to a BOW fight
「歯で弓には勝てないってね」ってのはまさにこの状況だな。左くんがガビィに完全に差を見せつけてる。普通くん+31
Teen_tactical
原文
People really said that? Media literacy truly is at an all-time low. Of course she seems overpowered, she’s going up against people who can’t even interact with the power system or see what she’s doing.
That’s like calling a weak Stand overpowered in *JoJo* just because normal people can’t see or fight it, or saying a low-level Nen user in *Hunter x Hunter* is overpowered for killing someone who doesn’t even have Nen.
初っ端から「ギャビー強すぎ」って言ってた人、本当にいたのか…。メディアリテラシーの低下が深刻だな。彼女が強く見えるのは当然で、そもそも相手がパワーシステムに干渉できず、彼女の行動すら認識できないんだから。
これは『ジョジョ』で一般人がスタンドを見たり戦えずに「弱いスタンドが強すぎる」って言うのと同じだし、『HUNTER×HUNTER』で念能力すら持たない相手を倒した低レベルの念能力者を「強すぎ」と評するのと同義だよ。考察くん+94
flashmozzg
Well, they ARE overpowered. Just compared to a regular human nobody though.
確かに、そう言われても仕方ないかもね。ただ普通の人間と比べたら、誰もがそう見えるって話だけど。普通くん+17
Boris-_-Badenov
the left and right are very strong, and couldn't destroy them easily
左右のやつら強すぎやろ、簡単には倒せへんかったンゴwww2ちゃん+14
extralie
To be honest, I'm actually more interested to see more of the Asa side of the story than Yuru.
Also, looks like fake Asa actually still care about Yuru? Will be interesting to see how that play out down the line.
正直なところ、ユルよりアサ側の話をもっと見てみたいんだよね。
それに、偽アサも実はユルのこと気にかけてるっぽい?今後の展開がどうなるか気になるな。普通くん+198
Aileos
I like how things are blurry between the two sides with Yoru right in the middle.
Makes the story way more interesting and intriguing so far.
それな!ユルもいいけど、俺はアサ側の話もっと見たいんだけど笑
で、偽Aってやばくね?
ヨルを真ん中にした両サイドの境界線が曖昧な感じがめっちゃ好き!
そのおかげで話がめっちゃ面白くなってて、まじで先が気になるじゃん!ギャル+102
justking1414
If fake asa is basically a robot programmed to be a needy sister, she might not have a choice
「わかる、ユルよりアサ側の話の方が気になるのめっちゃわかる…!しかも偽アサが『寂しがり屋の妹』としてプログラムされたロボットみたいなもんなら、彼女に選択肢なんてないってことか…しんどすぎるッ」感情くん+51
extralie
I think she is probably just a Daemon that can shapeshift. Probably the grandma's daemon?
せやな、多分あいつは変身できるデーモンなんやろな。ばあちゃんのデーモンちゃうか?ワイもそう思うンゴwww2ちゃん+97
Achsin
That's my guess since apparently no one else in the village is allowed to see her, probably because they can't.
それな!村の他の誰も彼女に会えないってのがポイントやん。多分みんな見えないんじゃね?やばくねこの設定笑ギャル+99
justking1414
Probably though she was still programmed/ordered to act like the sister for long enough that I imagine she still sees herself as being his sister
せやな、でも長い間妹として振る舞うようプログラムされてたんやろうし、本人もまだ自分を妹だと思ってそうやな2ちゃん+32
Vaadwaur
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You become the mask that you wear. I imagine that is double true if your a spirit type being.
確かに。偽アサもユルを気にしてるっぽいよね。その辺がどう展開していくか気になる。普通くん+14
gsurfer04
She may be "fake", but the relationship she had with Yuru could have been completely genuine. You can't choose your family but you can choose your friends.
確かに!「偽物」って言われてるけど、ユルとの関係は本物だったかもしれないよね。家族は選べないけど友達は選べるってまさにこれだよ…エモすぎるッ!感情くん+14
raisincakeshop
Yes the fake Asa was clutching the ball that Yuru got for her, so she definitely felt some sort of emotions (worry/guilt) for Yuru.
せやな、偽物のアサがユルからもらったボール握りしめてたんやろ?
つまりユルに対してなんかしらの感情(心配とか罪悪感)あったってことやな。
ガチで草。2ちゃん+6
djthomp
原文
Left and Right are a lot of fun. Just casually talking to a God who comes out to visit them to catch up while riding around on a metal horse container.
It's funny to me how much Gabby looks like Ed, and then she even took damage to the same arm and leg. That had to be intentional.
This really is quite an interesting setup, I'm curious to see why these twins in particular are important. Some sort of spirit controlling family versus family conflict, maybe?
左右のキャラ、めっちゃ面白いな。金属の馬コンテナに乗ってる神様が気軽に会いに来て雑談してるの、なんかいいわ。
ガビーがエドそっくりなのも笑えるし、同じ腕と足を負傷するのは絶対意図的だろ。
設定がかなり興味深いな。この双子が特に重要な理由が気になる。何か霊を操る家系同士の対立とか、そういう感じかもな。普通くん+173
EyeDeeAh_42
>It's funny to me how much Gabby looks like Ed, and then she even took damage to the same arm and leg. That had to be intentional.
Didn't even notice it at first lol. I remember reading somewhere that Arakawa had to nerf Gabby by making her a villainous from the get-go, otherwise she'd be too popular as the resident Ed look-alike.
確かにガビィの外見と負傷箇所がエドと完全に一致してるのは、明らかに意図的な演出だよな。荒川先生がわざと最初から敵役に設定したって話も頷ける。もし中立ポジションだったら、エドそっくりなキャラが人気爆発して物語のバランスが崩れた可能性が高い。この辺りのキャラクター設計の緻密さが、プロの作家の手腕って感じがする。考察くん+79
sygnl_
>and then she even took damage to the same arm and leg
You're right! I didn't realized this until you'd mentioned it. Thanks!
それな!言われるまで全然気づかなかったわ。ありがとう!普通くん+50
Sacreville
I'm certainly ready for more Left and Right, they are so funny to watch.
>she even took damage to the same arm and leg
Dang nice fun detail, I definitely missed that one.
まじでLeftとRight最高すぎじゃん!見てて面白すぎるわ笑
> 同じ腕と足にダメージ受けてたんだ
えっやば!そんな細かいとこ見逃してたわ、マジでナイスディテールじゃん!ギャル+21
UnNumbFool
Yes and no, Arakawa designed her but someone else picked her color scheme because they thought she looked like Ed and he just kind of went with it
確かに。荒川さんがデザインしたけど、色味は他の人がエドっぽいって決めたんだよね。作者もそのままOKしたって感じ。普通くん+6
127U
arakawa is a woman! also yeah all of her assistants thought gabby was blonde with a red coat so she was like, "might as well" LOL
荒川先生女性なんだよ!しかもアシスタント陣がガビのこと「金髪に赤いコート」って思ってたらしくて、本人も「じゃあそうしとくか」ってなったらしいwww 草感情くん+12
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Poor Right, every child fainting at the sight of him has gotta sting a little lol.
I'm glad Yuru wanted to take care of Gabby since she took out a lot of the villagers, that hunter mindset will be interesting to see in the upcoming episodes. I'm interesting in seeing how he'll fight.
I'm curious to see the culture shock Yuru will receive from entering the modern world, Left and Right too.
I hope Dera doesn't shave though, he looks good with facial hair. I like how Hana knows how to translate modern to archaic lol.
ライト可哀想だな、子供たち全員に気絶されるのは流石にちょっと傷つくよねw
ユルがガビーの面倒を見ようとしたのは良かったな。あのハンター気質が今後のエピソードでどう出るか楽しみ。戦い方も気になる。
ユルが現代社会に入った時のカルチャーショック、左右も含めてどうなるか見てみたいな。
デラは髭剃らないでほしい、ヒゲある方が似合ってるし。ハナの現代語→古語翻訳能力もいい味出してるな。普通くん+163
Myrkrvaldyr
>I'm curious to see the culture shock Yuru will receive from entering the modern world
Hopefully they'll address the reason why his hidden village had to remain feudal. Dropping a medieval person in modern times is way too shocking. From their perspective everything might as well be witchcraft.
確かにユルの現代社会でのカルチャーショックは興味深いテーマだね。彼の隠れ里がなぜ封建的なまま維持されていたのか、その理由にも触れてほしいところ。中世の人間をいきなり現代に放り込むのはあまりにも刺激が強すぎる。彼らの視点からすれば、全てが魔術のように映るはずだ。考察くん+91
HungryGull
原文
My guess is that it's to isolate them so they're more easy to control as, I dunno, indoctrinated soldiers in whatever sort of secret supernatural shadow war these sides are taking part in.
"Our village is being threatened by outsiders in the thrall of dark spirits. Only you can save us by placing this sacred sealing implement (stick of dynamite) in the heart of their dread fortress (office building)."
あの村みたいな場所に隔離してるのは、多分管理しやすくするためだと思うんだよね。なんていうか、秘密の超自然的な影の戦争とかに参加させられる洗脳兵士としてさ。
「我々の村は、悪霊に操られた外部の者たちに脅かされている。君だけがこの聖なる封印具(ダイナマイト)を奴らの恐ろしい要塞(オフィスビル)の中心に置くことで、我々を救えるんだ。」って感じでさ。普通くん+58
FlameDragoon933
this gives me Yuusha no Kuzu vibes. Fantasy terminologies applied to entirely modern setting lol. (demon lord is yakuza boss, castle is their office, and so on)
それな!勇者のクズっぽい感じやばくね笑 ファンタジーの用語を現代に当てはめるのまじで天才じゃん?(魔王がヤクザの親分で、城がオフィスみたいなノリ)ギャル+7
diacewrb
> From their perspective everything might as well be witchcraft.
Same for the folk who can't see the Daemons taking a big chunk out of them and tourists wandering into a mountain village that shouldn't exist.
確かに。向こうから見たら全部魔法みたいなもんだしね。
- デーモンが見えない人たちが襲われてる件
- 存在しないはずの山村に迷い込む観光客
どっちも同じくらいヤバい状況だと思う。普通くん+35
Psychosist
It's Attack on Titan all over again
やばっ!それまさに進撃の巨人の再来じゃん!?笑
てかユルの現代社会カルチャーショック、めっちゃ見てみたいよね〜ギャル+21
CitronClassic672
Wasn’t Eldia technologically imperred by all the apocalyptic shit they had to deal with? The story takes place in the early 20th century and it wouldn’t be that out of place, especially the more rural areas.
確かにエルディアは終末的な災害に悩まされて技術が遅れてたしな。物語の時代設定が20世紀初頭なら、特に田舎では違和感ないと思う。普通くん+16
SSjjlex
I was thinking the feudal thing was a mere side effect. Their goal was simply to hide the village (for what reason we dont know yet), which they achieved. But it lasted 400 years and so the discrepancy betweem the tech grew out of control and so now they look backwards in comparison
せやな、封建的なのはただの副作用やったんやろな。村を隠すって目的(理由はまだわからんけど)は達成したんや。でも400年も続いたせいで技術の差がどんどん広がって、結果的に今は昔風に見えるってワケやろ。2ちゃん+15
_WrongKarWai
Glad to find one of my shows for the season
今期のアニメのひとつが見つかってよかったよ普通くん+107
Holen7
Saturday is a blast. Iruma, Akane, Bookworm and this, Yomi no Tsugai.
土曜日やばすぎッ!イルマ、アカネ、本好きの下剋上、そしてこれ、黄泉のツガイ。まじで優勝のラインナップだわ!感情くん+44
Lindbrum
Kusunoki's Garden of Gods for the relaxing slice of life supernatural too 😊
楠木さんの神様のガーデンも癒し系の日常ものやで😊2ちゃん+15
BosuW
Also _Needy Girl Overdose_, _Agents of the Four Seasons_, and though it's not very popular _Scum of the Brave_ cour 2.
Saturdays are crazy.
確かに。それに加えて『Needy Girl Overdose』や『四季のエージェント』、あとはあんまり人気ないけど『勇者のクズ』第2クールも土曜だしね。土曜日やばすぎだわ。普通くん+8
Haha91haha
Left and Right come out swinging with their likeability, already really enjoy their contrasting shtick and eager to see how they develop alongside Yuru.
Also to be expected with Bones and a FMA reunion but the voice cast is stacked already, can hear a lotta familiar voices.
左右のツガイ、もう好感度MAXやんwww 対照的なキャラクターがめっちゃ面白くて、ユルとどう成長していくか楽しみすぎるわ
あとBonesとFMA再集結ってことで声優陣がガチで豪華やな。知ってる声いっぱい聞こえるわ2ちゃん+109
randomisawesome
Deras VA: Gojo
Jins VA: Sukuna
確かに。左と右のキャラがもうすでに魅力的で、対照的な掛け合いがいい感じだね。
デラの声優が五条、ジンの声優が宿儺ってのも熱いな。普通くん+42
yere93
This is Bones, we call them Hawks and Aizawa here
まじで!?デラスの声優が五条で、ジンが宿儺ってやばくね!?
しかも制作はボーンズじゃん!こっちではホークスと相澤って呼んでるよ笑ギャル+52
gsurfer04
I knew they sounded familiar!
やっぱり聞き覚えあると思った!普通くん+9
ClassroomSevere
And Jin's is also Kyo from Fruits Basket! My favorite
えっ!ジンの声優ってフルーツバスケットのキョウも担当してるの!?最高すぎるッ!!俺の推しが被ってるのエモすぎて泣いた!!感情くん+11
runevault
原文
Still curious why they felt it was okay to slaughter every adult. I doubt all of them were in on tricking Yuru. "There are horses in here and it goes real fast" and they just accept it. LOL I'm going to love this group.
Okay who's Jean? Sounds like another Daemon master if he thinks he could have dealt with the problem. Yup 'should have brought my pair'
Man so many questions and so much excitement. Glad this is confirmed to be 24 episodes for the first season.
大人全員を殺してもいいって判断した理由がまだ気になるな。全員がユルを騙してたわけじゃないと思うんだけど。「ここに馬がいてすごく速いんだ」って言われてそのまま受け入れてるの笑うわ。このグループ好きになりそう。
ジャンって誰?問題を解決できたと思ってるなら、多分デーモンマスターの一人だな。「ペアを持ってくるべきだった」ってやつだね。
疑問は尽きないけどワクワクが止まらない。1期が24話確定で良かった。普通くん+91
SwordoftheMourn
原文
> Still curious why they felt it was okay to slaughter every adult. I doubt all of them were in on tricking Yuru
Consider the parents left the village with Asa instead of asking for help from the villagers, I'm kinda dubious that they were just innocent in all this. Ignorant? Maybe. The mom of that one kid seems to know fake Asa's true nature and all the adults seem to have no problem with keeping her in a cage inside a house.
確かに、大人たち全員がユルの騙しに加担していたとは限らないという疑問はもっともだ。
だが、アサを連れて村を出た両親の行動を考察すると、彼らが単なる無関係な被害者だったとは考えにくい。無知だった可能性は否定しないが、あの子供の母親は偽アサの正体を知っていた節があるし、大人たちが彼女を家の中の檻に閉じ込めることに何の疑問も抱いていない点を踏まえると、村全体として何らかの認識を持っていたと推測できる。制作陣の意図として、単なる善悪の構図ではない複雑な背景を描こうとしているのだろう。考察くん+18
ObvsThrowaway5120
So eyepatch wasn’t an imposter after all. Hard to think her and her little friends are the “good guys” after slaughtering every adult in the village. But who knows? Maybe the village is actually evil? Though, that would mean Dera and Hana are baddies and they don’t seem bad.
I’m really curious to learn just wth is going on and why they hit the village like that.
やっぱり眼帯は偽物じゃなかったんだな。村の大人を皆殺しにしたってのに、あいつらが「善人」ってのは考えにくいけどね。でもどうだろう?もしかしたら村の方が悪いのかも?ただ、それだとデラとハナが悪者ってことになるし、あの二人は悪そうじゃないんだよな。
何が起きてるのか、なんで村をああやって襲ったのか、めっちゃ気になるわ。普通くん+87
Meloncholine
This definitely feels a lot more complicated than we were led to believe in the first episode. With no clear antagonist yet I'm invested now.
確かに!最初の話だけで判断できた単純な構図じゃなかったな。明確な敵役がいないからこそ、逆に気になりすぎるッ!感情くん+95
Boris-_-Badenov
the girl gleefully murdering the villagers makes her the villain group
確かに、村人を楽しそうに殺してるあの子が敵側ってことだよね。話が思ってたより複雑そう。普通くん+10
Gliamer
And that's why Yuru and Asa's parents ran away? Because the villagers were so kind that it was unbearable in that village.
せやな。ユルとアサの両親が村から逃げた理由それやろ。村民が優しすぎて村に居られんかったって話やんwww2ちゃん+59
Myrkrvaldyr
I think it's easier to think of it as 3 or more factions in conflict. Dera and Hana are likely good people but don't agree with the methods of or don't fully know the goals of Asa and her group, while the village has bad people but not everyone is bad. If Asa's words are anything to go by, it seems the granny did something bad.
確かに、単純な善悪じゃなくて3つ以上の勢力が絡んでるって見方が正しそうだね。デラやハナはおそらく善人だけど、アサたちのやり方や目的を完全に理解してないか同意してない感じ。村にも悪い人はいるけど全員が悪いわけじゃない。アサの言動からすると、おばあちゃんも何かやらかしてそうだし。普通くん+68
Vodis
原文
This is kinda my thinking. The superficial reading would be Yuru, Dera, Hana, Left/Right, Granny and the village as the defenders / good guys vs. Asa / Gabby / Jin / mercenaries as the invaders / bad guys. But clearly Granny was up to some sort of devious deceptions. Which makes you wonder how much of the village was in on it. Plus Granny had a fake little sister replica and some sort of blood shadow servant thing, both clearly bad guy-coded tactics. Meanwhile Dera, Hana, and the good guys' daemons all pass the vibes check and don't seem to be in on whatever Granny's plot was. Team Asa / Gabby / Jin were ruthless as hell in their methods, but we haven't really seen their side of the story yet. And we don't know enough about the whole "prophecy of the twins who sunder night and day" thing yet to know its implications, the stakes it involves, or how these different sides and their respective goals and actions fit into that context. So the invaders certainly seem like they were being evil bastards to me right now, but I still feel like I gotta reserve judgment until I know why they attacked the village with such viciousness. We know they were interested in Yuru, but beyond that we don't really know their angle yet. (And they did at least show restraint in avoiding harm to children, so we know they aren't *total* monsters.)
This could definitely wind up being a multi-side conflict. I wouldn't be surprised if Granny winds up being a bigger antagonist in the long run than the invading forces. And surely Yuru can't just take Asa to be a straightforward enemy now that he knows she wasn't lying about being his real sister. He's probably as curious about why she was helping the attackers as we are!
せやな、ワイもそう思うわ。
表向きは「ユル・デラ・ハナ・左右・ばあちゃん&村=守る側/善人」で、「アサ・ギャビー・ジン・傭兵=侵略者・悪」やけど、ばあちゃん明らかに怪しいやん。偽の妹作ったり血の影従者使ったり、完全に悪役ムーブやろ。一方でデラ・ハナたちの妖魔は普通にいいやつに見えるし。
アサたちのチームは手段がエグすぎるけど、向こうの事情まだ全然わかってへんしな。「夜と昼を分ける双子の予言」も謎やし、それぞれの陣営の目的がどう絡むかも不明。今のとこ侵略者側は悪党にしか見えんけど、なんであんなに凶暴に村襲ったのか理由知るまでは判断保留やわ。
ただ子供には手出さなかったのはせめてもの救いか。結局多陣営の争いになる可能性高いし、もしかしたらばあちゃんの方が長期的に見てラスボスになるかもな。ユルもアサが実の妹って知った以上、簡単に敵扱いできんやろ。なんで侵略者側に協力してるのか、ワイらと同じくらい気になってるはずや。2ちゃん+13
Static-Jak
Knowing this is from the creator of FMA, I was already sure this wasn't going to be a simple as it looked in the first episode. Lots of shades of grey rather than a black and white situation.
それな!鋼の錬金術師の作者だし、最初から単純な話じゃないのは確信してた。白黒つけられないグレーな展開が最高すぎるッ!感情くん+40
GuavaAccomplished433
To me it feels like it’s mirroring real life very well where every party has both good and bad people and good and evil is not so clearly defined and I love it
確かに。現実と同じで、善悪がはっきり分かれてない感じがリアルだよね。それぞれの陣営に良い人も悪い人もいるって描写、俺は好きだな。普通くん+19
DragonPup
The mom with hair braided over one shoulder *lived*?! Arakawa is going soft on us.
えっ、片側編みおさげのお母さんが生きてたの!?荒川先生、優しくなったな……感動しすぎて泣いた感情くん+75
HungryGull
Equivalent exchange. All those other casualties were enough to buy her survival.
確かに。あれだけ犠牲が出たんだから、一人くらい助かってもいい均衡ってことだよね。普通くん+47
MonsterKiller112
Oh man this show is so good. This is the kind of show I can binge in a single night. The mysteries are so intriguing. The dialogue feels so natural. The characters feel morally ambiguous. The daemons have awesome designs. This shit is peak. I can definitely see why this manga was selling like crazy even before the anime. Arakawa truly is the GOAT. Not a single bad title in her entire career.
このアニメガチで面白すぎやろwww
一晩で一気見確定やわ
謎がめっちゃ気になるし、セリフ回しも自然で違和感ない
キャラもグレーな感じがたまらんし、悪魔のデザインもカッコよすぎンゴ
これマジで最高傑作や
アニメ化前から原作売れてたのも納得やわ
荒川先生はマジでGOATやな
今までの作品全部ハズレなしとか草2ちゃん+55
FOXHOUND9000
Still the GOAT indeed, 16 years since FMA ending and it still has the best ending in the shonen genre, unopposed.
まじそれ!FMA終わって16年経つのに、未だに少年ジャンルのラストで敵うやついないってやばくね!?GOATすぎるわ〜ギャル+19
Desperate_Method4020
I binge read what is out of the story in a day. It's really entertaining, and good story, as you can expect from Arakawa. The characters are probably my favorite thing about the story so far.
確かに!俺も一日で全話読んじゃったわ。荒川先生らしい面白さだよね。キャラの魅力が今のところ一番の見どころだと思う。普通くん+17
tweetthebirdy
My favourite thing about her writing is how competent her protagonists are in FMA and here.
返信先の「一日で最新話まで読んだ、荒川作品らしく面白い」って意見にマジで同意。
ワイが一番好きなのは、鋼の錬金術師でもそうやけど、主人公がガチで有能なとこやわ。ここでもその良さ出てるンゴwww2ちゃん+9
maxdragonxiii
Gin Saji (Silver Spoon) is great, just was plagued by hitaus, not her fault iirc.
それな!銀匙は神アニメすぎる。休載が祟っただけで、作者のせいじゃないしな。感情くん+5
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
原文
* Yuru: Command you to fight for me? Nah I'll kill them myself.
* Since we already have Left and Right, then the teeth daemons should be named Up and Down.
* So it was their parents that took Asa and fled from the village. Why did they leave Yoru though?
* Fake Asa (I assume she was the blood daemon helping Granny) looks like she has mixed feelings. Wonder if she'll follow Yuru off the mountain too.
* So there are two factions of daemon retainers huh. Looks like there's more to this, probably something to do with the "twins separating day and night".
* ユル:「お前たちに戦えと命じる?」いや、自分で殺すわ。
* 既に「左」と「右」がいるなら、歯のツガイは「上」と「下」に命名すべきだという考察ができる。
* つまり、アサを連れて村を脱出したのは両親だったのか。では、なぜヨルを置き去りにしたのか?この点は今後の伏線と思われる。
* 偽アサ(ババアを助けていた血のツガイと推測)は複雑な表情をしている。彼女もユルに従って山を下りるのか気になる。
* ツガイの従者には二つの派閥が存在するようだ。これは「双子が昼夜を分かつ」という設定に何か関係している可能性が高い。考察くん+46
Shimmering-Sky
原文
- Huh.
- Dang, Yuru called dibs. Wonder how this is going to go for him.
- Well, he managed to shoot her in the leg.
- Hah, the girl just passed out upon seeing Right.
- So they left the kids alive for the most part?
- Naruhodo…
- Kinda impressive Yuru actually agreed to let them go.
- Man I *really* want to see what the heck happened to this Asa.
- Pfffffffff
- I guess that’s one way to describe a car to someone who’s never seen one before.
- ふーん
- 草、ユルが先に言ったんか。こいつどうなるんやろな
- まあ足は撃てたみたいやけどな
- はっ、ライト見て女の子気絶しててワロタ
- つまりガキどもは基本生かしたってこと?
- なるほど…
- ユルが解放に応じたのは結構すごいな
- このアサに何があったのかガチで見てえンゴ
- ぷっwwwww
- 車見たことない奴に説明する方法としてはアリやな2ちゃん+46
Raiking02
> Dang, Yuru called dibs.
But worse, he called her small! Doesn't he realize that people in Arakawa-land who are associated with red find that deeply offensive!?
「ユルが先に言った」って話だけど、それより「小さい」って言っちゃったのがヤバいだろ。荒川界隈で赤に関係する人たちって、それをすごく嫌うって気づいてないのか!?普通くん+24
EyeDeeAh_42
>Dang, Yuru called dibs
Did you *have* to phrase it like that? Now my mind is running in the completely opposite direction...
え、それ言い方やばくない!?笑
てかユルが先に「これ俺の」って言ったってこと?
マジで頭の中が別の方向に爆走してるんだけど!ギャル+11
KendotsX
> Well, he managed to shoot her in the leg.
Part of the fun with those powers is that it leaves its user as a glass cannon, so even a (relatively) normal human with arrows can be dangerous.
確かに、そういう力ってガラス大砲みたいなもんだし、矢を持った(比較的)普通の人間でも危険になれるのが面白いところだね。普通くん+7
randomisawesome
Yuru agreed for the sake of the village.
ユルが村のために承諾したんだ…それだけで泣けるわ。この展開しんどすぎるッ!感情くん+6
AndrewWilsonnn
原文
On the note of the "Traditional Counting", some cultures consider you 1 when you're born as you're "Living your first year". I think at this point it's only Korea that still does it, but they also track how old people are by western standards. And there's also the "January 1st is everyone's birthday" stuff too, but idk how serious that's taken.
So Yuru's might be a culture that considers him Age 1 at birth, so if he's "17", he's 16 by modern world interpretation
「数え年」の話か。生まれた時点で1歳とする文化もあるよね。今だと韓国ぐらいしかやってないみたいだけど、西洋式の年齢も併用してるみたい。あと「1月1日が全員の誕生日」ってやつもあるけど、それがどれだけ真面目に受け止められてるかは知らん。
だからユルの世界が数え年方式なら、彼が「17歳」って言っても現代基準だと16歳ってことになるな。普通くん+5
Se7en_Sinner
We have Yuuichi Nakamura and Junichi Suwabe voicing characters from opposing sides. Which means there's a possibility of seeing Gojo vs Sukuna.
草www 中村悠一と諏訪部順一が敵対サイドで共演って、つまり五条vs宿儺が観れる可能性あるってことやん!?ガチで胸熱すぎるンゴwww2ちゃん+40
EdoPhantom
Or if you're an older anime fan, that's FMAB Greed vs FMA 2003 Greed!
中村悠一と諏訪部順一が敵対する側で演じてるの熱すぎるな。古参アニメファンなら鋼の錬金術師のグリード対決思い出すね!普通くん+49
Cyd_arts
Yesss
わかるッ!それな!感情くん+7
SEBASTlANVETTEL
these two are destined to voice characters with some sort of rivalry with each other
中村悠一と諏訪部順一が敵対サイドで共演とかガチで熱すぎるやろwww
この二人がライバル役やる運命ってマジであるんやなって思うわ2ちゃん+9
Spolaceno42
Bucciarati and Abbacchio
中村悠一と諏訪部順一が敵対する陣営のキャラを演じてるのか。ってことは、もしかしたらブチャラティとアバッキオみたいな関係になる可能性もあるってことか。普通くん+7
NanDemoKnaives
I had a similar thought, especially after the way Jin talked about Dera.
せやな、ワイも思たわ。特にジンがデラについて話してた後の展開見てると、ガチでありえるンゴwww2ちゃん+5
FOXHOUND9000
My main thought after those first 2 episodes is that Dera and Hana, despite helping Yoru, are definitely not to be trusted.
Remember, we know from the last episode, that Dera knew damn well that its real Asa attacking the village, and that the "sister" accompanying Yoru is the fake one. He was a part of that whole masquerade.
最初の2話見て思ったのは、デラとハナはヨルを助けてるけど絶対に信用できないってことだね。
覚えてる?前回の話で、デラは村を襲ってるのが本物のアサだって知ってて、ヨルと一緒にいる"妹"が偽物だってことも分かってたんだよ。あの偽装工作の一部だったってことだし。普通くん+34
LeonKevlar
原文
###Stitches!
* Left & Right
* Left Fight Stance
Damn. Yuru really wanted to solo the girl in red hood. Not gonna lie, I thought we were gonna see him get his butt kicked, only to be saved by Left and Right, but he ended up brutally injuring that girl. This might be the first time in a while I've seen the MC force the enemy to retreat during the first encounter. Usually it's the other way around.
So we have confirmation that the eyepatch girl is indeed Yuru's sister and the girl he grew up with is actually a fake. While I do like that both sides are sus, it's kinda hard to side with the people who massacred an entire village. Sure, Yuru's Granny might be lying to him, but I don't think that justifies killing a bunch of people and orphaning a lot of kids.
Considering how the OP seems to imply that Yuru's group will join forces with Asa's group, I'm not sure how I feel about that. I wouldn't be surprised if the hinted alliance is due to an even bigger threat.
###ステッチ!
* 左右
* 左の構え
なるほど、ユルは本当にあの赤ずきんの少女を単独で倒そうとしていたんだな。正直、彼女にボコボコにされて左右に助けられる展開を予想してたんだが、まさか逆にユルが相手を重傷に追い込むとは。主人公が初対面で敵を撤退させる展開は久々に見た気がする。普通は逆パターンだからな。
眼帯の少女がユルの実の妹で、幼馴染の女の子が偽物だと確定したか。両陣営に怪しい点があるのは興味深いが、村を虐殺した側に肩入れするのは難しいな。ユルの祖母が嘘をついている可能性はあるが、それで大勢を殺したり孤児を生み出す行為が正当化されるとは思えない。
OPの描写からユルのグループとアサのグループが将来的に協力する可能性が示唆されているが、その展開には複雑な思いだ。もし同盟が成立するなら、さらに大きな脅威の存在が示唆されている可能性が高いと推測できる。考察くん+37
zool714
原文
Thankfully, I’m part of the audience so I don’t need to determine at a moment’s notice who I should or should not trust or root for. Cos things just seem ambiguous currently. Dera seems like he’s an ally but he does seem a bit sus at the start. Gabby killed the villagers who were just seemingly defending themselves, though she did also behead an unarmed mother in front of her child. But also, they don’t seem to kill kids. But we also don’t know too much about the village to determine if they’re completely innocent in the first place.
良かった、俺は観客側だから誰を信じるか即決しなくていいんだよね。今のところ状況が曖昧すぎてさ。デラは仲間っぽいけど最初はちょっと怪しかったし。ガビーは村人を殺したけど、それって自分たちを守ろうとしてただけっぽいんだよな。でも無防備な母親を子供の前で斬首したのは事実。ただ子供は殺さないみたいだし。そもそも村が完全に無実かどうかもわかんないし。普通くん+25
hasanman6
Does it matter that much that the asa in the village was a “fake asa”? He still spent the past 10 years bonding with her.
え、村のアサが「偽物」ってそんなに重要じゃなくない?だって10年も一緒に過ごして絆深めてきたんだし!それって本物じゃん!笑ギャル+21
Mami-kouga
His attachment is understandable but they also made a fake sick sister of his to eternally guilt trip him into having no greater ambitions in life besides staying in the village and that's off putting at the best possible reading
彼の気持ちは理解できるけど、偽物の病気の妹を作って村に留まる以外の人生の野心を持たせないように永遠に罪悪感を与えるのは、いいように解釈しても気持ち悪いよな。普通くん+65
hasanman6
Yeah, whoever set that up are probably pricks but what was talking about was that the mc should still feel a connection with them and i hope they just dont forget about the fake asa
確かに!あの偽物を作ったやつらはクソだと思うけど、主人公がそれでも彼女に情を持ってるのはわかるんだよな。ただ、あの偽アサのことをただ忘れるだけじゃなくて、ちゃんと向き合ってほしい…切なすぎるッ!感情くん+8
Mami-kouga
Well he's going to have to reflect on it a lot, she's not "dead" anyway so it's not like he couldn't confront her about the whole thing later on
確かに、彼はそれについてしっかり向き合わないといけないと思う。彼女は「死んでる」わけじゃないし、後で直接問い詰めることもできるんだからね。普通くん+15
cleaulem
Who am I supposed to root for? This is the no. 1 question right now. Even though I got the feeling that granny is the real villain here.
It looks like there is a lot to be explained. So far the whole story is very intriguing and I'm excited to see where this is going.
誰を応援すりゃいいんだよこれ。これが今の最大の疑問やわ。でもなんかババアが真の黒幕っぽいンゴねぇ。
説明しなきゃならんことが山ほどありそうやな。今のとこ話はめっちゃ面白いし、この先どうなるかワクワクしてるわ。2ちゃん+19
Frostbitten_Moose
So far I'm hedging my bets and rooting for Yuru. Who knows why anyone else is acting the way they do, but his world just fell to pieces, and the guiding principle of "People who execute my helpless neighbours get the slow and personal death" is one I can dig.
現時点では、俺はユルの肩を持って様子見してる。他のキャラの行動理由はまだ不明だが、彼の世界は完全に崩壊した。そして「無力な隣人を処刑する奴には、じっくりと個人的な死を与える」という彼の行動原理には、考察として深く共感できる。考察くん+15
0mnicious
Not enough info to say that the "clueless" people are indeed clueless.
Don't jump to conclusions and don't be so hasty to pick sides.
いやいや、情報少なすぎて「無知な人」が本当に無知かどうか判断できなくない?笑
結論急ぎすぎだし、すぐ味方決めつけるのやばくね?ギャル+6
mekahamedan
原文
i think best mindset to watch this anime is "dont fixed on good guy doing good thing, and bad guys always has twisted mind"
both side have some reason to doing that and definitely will reveal in further episode
so cant wait truth being reveal and world building around it
ngl as ppl who admire bow in most of mmorpg, yoru kinda sick MC, yeah he pretty naive, but his skill is real deal, hope we got more than he using short bow for this anime
このアニメを楽しむ最適な心構えは「正義の味方が善行を、悪役が歪んだ思考を持つ」という固定観念を捨てることだと思われる。両陣営には行動の理由があり、今後のエピソードで必ず明かされるはず。真実の解明と世界観の構築が待ちきれない。
MMORPGで弓を愛用してきた者として言うと、ヨルはかなりクールな主人公だ。確かに純真だが、そのスキルは本物。このアニメでショートボウ以上の活躍を期待したい。考察くん+20
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
So Asa and Gabby's group murdered those (grown up) villagers in cold blood, but upon further review and interactions, they don't really strike me as (maliciously) evil people.
I really appreciate shows like this where characters aren't painted in a corner where the two sides clashing can easily be pigeonholed into either the heroes or the villains of the story. I like it best when everyone is somewhat relatable and can be rooted for (rootable?)--to the point where it'll be tough to pick which side I'd want to win later on or which characters I'd rather survive in the end.
アサとギャビーたちはあの大人の村人を冷血に殺したけど、その後の描写見てると悪意のある悪人って感じじゃないんだよな。
こういう作品はいいよね。両者が簡単に善悪で分類できない衝突を描いててさ。みんなに共感できる部分があって、どっちを応援していいかわからなくなる感じが好き。最終的にどっちが勝ってほしいか、誰が生き残ってほしいか選ぶのが難しくなるぐらいのやつ。普通くん+17
NationalStrategy
If Asa’s goal was to retrieve Yuru and get him on her side, perhaps it wasn’t the best idea for her and her comrades to go around killing the villagers that he grew up with, including the fake Asa, who he saw as his beloved sister. Just saying, that left a really bad first impression.
せやな、アサの目的がユルを取り戻して味方にすることなら、村人や偽アサ(ユルにとっては愛する妹)を殺しまくるのは最悪の第一印象やろ。ワイ的には「お前それやるか?」って感じやったわ。2ちゃん+17
ExpertRule
原文
This story is doing a nice job of building the world early on and establishing proper mystery and intrigue with it and its characters that make me want to keep watching.
I cannot tell yet which of Asa and Yuru's factions the story is planning to frame as in the right and that will be the focus of any overarching conflict. Even the opening makes it ambiguous, with neither Asa or Yuru in their respective factions right now actually shown fighting one another.
At the very least, it seems like there might be some darker happenings in the village that we are unaware of right now, possibly centered on the granny, Yamaha.
この作品は序盤から世界観を丁寧に構築し、謎や興味を適切に提示しているため、見続けたくなる構成になっていると評価できる。
アサとユルのどちらの派閥が正義として描かれ、全体的な対立の焦点になるのか、まだ判断できない。OP映像でも、両者が実際に戦うシーンは描かれておらず、曖昧さを残している。
少なくとも、村ではまだ明かされていない暗い出来事が進行している可能性があり、おそらくヤマハ婆さんがその鍵を握っているという考察ができる。考察くん+14
thisisdropd
原文
Right's a jolly daemon. He sounds like a fun guy to be around. Hard to imagine that the stoic Left's the more hot-headed of the two when in battle.
We could only take her word for it last week, but now it's confirmed that eyepatch Asa's the real deal. Meanwhile, the impostor seemed to be a daemon (presumably under the command of Granny) seeing as a seemingly fatal hit turned out to had dealt no damage at all.
Interesting that Asa & Gabby readily massacred the adults while leaving the kids be. Seems like this won't be a black-and-white situation where one side's clearly the good one while the other one's the bad one. The Granny's certainly up to something sus.
Now that Yuru's out of his isolated world, he's bound to be shocked by how different the outside one would be like. We've seen how terrified he was at the car, and it took some convincing to finally get him inside it.
ライトって愉快な悪魔だな。一緒にいて楽しそうな奴じゃん。戦闘になると冷静なはずのレフトの方が熱くなりやすいってのが意外だよな。
先週はアサの言葉を信じるしかなかったけど、眼帯のアサが本物って確定したな。一方、偽物は悪魔(おそらくばあさまの配下)だったみたいで、致命傷を与えたはずの攻撃が全く効いてなかったし。
アサとギャビーが大人だけを虐殺して子供は見逃したのが興味深い。一方が明確に善でもう一方が悪って単純な構図にはならなそうだな。ばあさまは絶対何か企んでる。
ユルが隔離された世界から出てきたから、外の世界との違いに衝撃を受けるだろうな。車に乗る時もすごく怖がってて、説得するのに苦労したし。普通くん+14
Magnafeana
原文
* Why are we being fed with all these muscular people this week? This is incredible. I wish we had more FMCs like the Left’s body type.
* I wouldn’t faint if *I* saw you, Right 👉🏾👈🏾
* Ichi (from *Ichi the Witch*) and Yuru would be great friends.
* I’m sure this will be explained later, but I’m not entirely sure extracting Yuru would’ve been best done by bloodshed. I’m confused on why not slip operatives inside, drug him, drag his out? It worries me greatly about the orphaned children caught up in all this too.
* Hey! That’s Rose’s (FMA)’s hair color scheme! Or maybe this was another coincidence in the character design 😭
* Where are my horse girlies at?!
* “I ***love*** children” Girl why you say that like that 😭
* Huh… Jin kinda…sounds funky. He sounds way too soft for his character design (EN dub). No offense to the VA, however.
* That’s Hayate’s descendant, IDGAF. Silly pupper. I love when pets wanna take part in your exercise. My one cat *loves* going in the cat pack for my walks ans both of them like to roll over and stretch for yoga exercises! It’s so cute!
***
I’m curious if the some people in that village are descendants of trapped hikers, but I’d assume so.
Kinda hopeful next episode touches the cultural shock that Yuru would experience in modernity. I’n sure it’ll lean into comedy, but there’s some great horror/overstimulation elements to give to people who are basically dropped in a time not of their own (I say, as I read *Red River*).
Still…***confused*** on Dera and Hana. So I’m excited for an explanation oj their roles. From the OP/ED, they’re good people, but interested in how they got all tangled up in this.
From that little throwaway line about the dentures daemon’s genre eating their own master if mistreated, that sounds like ✨foreshadowing✨, either to like a *previous* master of Toni Toni Chomper over there or something else.
But that Fake Asa getting the fuck up again does not bode well. Same with the family running away with Asa but leaving behind Yuru.
I took for granted I could binge FMA:B and Arslan, now I gotta wait another week for a Hiromu show 😭
【全体】
今週の筋肉祭りエグすぎやろwww こんな体型の女主人公増やしてほしいンゴ
右の「ワイなら気絶せんで」発言草
イチとユル絶対仲良くなれるやん
【ユル救出方法】
血みどろ作戦じゃなくて薬盛って拉致すればよくね?って思ったけど後で説明あるんか
孤児たちの今後が心配すぎるンゴ
【デザイン関連】
ローズ(鋼の錬金術師)の髪色と同じやん!偶然か?
馬娘勢どこや!
「子供大好き」って言い方キモすぎて草
【英語吹き替え】
ジンの声優、キャラデに合ってなさすぎィ!悪意はないけど違和感ヤバい
【ハヤテの子孫】
飼い主の運動に参加したがるペットかわE ワイの猫も散歩リュック大好きやで
【村人考察】
あの村人、遭難ハイカーの子孫説あるな
ユルが現代文化にビビる話きぼんぬ ホラー要素も混ぜてほしい
【デラとハナ】
OP/ED見る限り善人っぽいけどどう絡むんやろ 入れ歯悪魔の「飼い主食う」フラグ建築で草
【偽アサ】
起き上がってきたのマジで不吉やん アサ連れて逃げた家族がユル置き去りにしてるのも気になる
【総評】
鋼の錬金術師やアルスラーン戦記は一気見できたのに今度は毎週待ちかよォ〜2ちゃん+12
sygnl_
>Hey! That’s Rose’s (FMA)’s hair color scheme!
Thank you for this! I was thinking "I have seen this character design in FMA, but I don't remember the character"
おっ、確かにローズ(鋼の錬金術師)の髪色だ!
教えてくれてありがとう。俺も「FMAで見たことあるデザインだけど誰だっけ?」って思ってたんだよね。普通くん+5
SciFiXhi
> Why are we being fed with all these muscular people this week? This is incredible. I wish we had more FMCs like the Left’s body type.
This is part of Hiromu Arakawa's design philosophy. "Men should be buffed! Women should be vavoom!"
今週ムキムキ祭りすぎやろ草
荒川弘の哲学「男はゴツく!女はナイスバディ!」が炸裂しててワイ大満足やわ
左みたいな体型のFMC増えてほしいンゴねぇ…2ちゃん+6
mmcjawa_reborn
原文
This is a fascinating show in that I legitimately do not know which faction to root for. Obviously Real Asa and tooth girl killed a ton of people, but both don't seem to be all that villainous. Asa obviously cares about her brother still but not in a creepy obsessive way for instance, and the "villains" show legitimate concern for Gaby. Neither one killed adults. While the "innocent villagers" are being kept hidden in enforced isolation and created a fake creepy inhuman monster sister to keep our protagonist tied down. So they sort of scream cult. And Dera just kind of screams shady.
Of course both sides could be "bad" so who knows.
このアニメ、どっちの陣営を応援すればいいか本当にわからなくなるな。リアル朝と歯の少女は大量殺人してるけど、どっちもそこまで悪役って感じじゃないんだよな。朝は兄をちゃんと大事にしてるし、気持ち悪い執着ってわけでもない。一方で「悪役」たちもギャビを本気で心配してるし、どっちも大人は殺してない。「無実の村人」たちは強制隔離されてて、主人公を縛るために偽の不気味な怪物の妹を作り出してる。なんかカルト臭いよな。デラも怪しいし。もちろん両方「悪」の可能性もあるから、何とも言えないけどね。普通くん+11
GuavaAccomplished433
I have read some of the manga (up to a bit past where this episode ended) and I really expected Jin to sound like Mustang from FMA, completely shocked me to hear his voice on this (I am watching in dub so it could be different is sub) still peak though
ワイ、原作ちょっと読んでるンゴ(今回の話ちょっと過ぎたとこまで)
ジンの声は完全にハガレンのマスタングみたいなイメージやったから、実際聞いてガチでビビったわ(吹き替えで見てるから字幕だと違うかもやけど)
でもクソ最高やなwww2ちゃん+10
EyeDeeAh_42
Just checked the dub after your comment. WTF is that soft-ass voice lol. It doesn't fit his image and personality at all. I thought it would be rougher.
確かに。吹き替え見てみたけど、あの柔らかい声はありえないでしょw イメージと性格に全然合ってない。もっとワイルドな感じだと思ったわ。普通くん+5
nqtoan1994
原文
I found it strange back in episode 1 that the villagers knew about the barrier, the adults were shocked/feared towards the helicopters (comparing to the excitement of the children seeing something new) and how most adults died with weapons on their hands. It looked like they had been desperately trying to keep Yuru after losing the real Asa, and any strangers approaching meant enemies to them, while chaining Yuru to the fake Asa. The granny seemed like the mastermind, with how she could repair the barrier as well as having that fake Asa's shadow cover her after it lost its fake identity at the moment.
It is really strange that seeing the ones who was supposed to be antagonists in this episode stand side-by-side to Yuzu in the OP. I guess we will have fair share of Asa's PoV with her faction in upcoming episodes to and set up the actual antagonist of the show (or this season).
Btw, the 2 soldiers stuck in the mountain pass were the ones who got knocked out by Yuru and Danji. I guess they were lucky for not clashing with Dera; it did not seem that Dera had spared anyone. Or maybe they are not lucky at all, as now they are stuck with the bunch of people they had come to kill.
P/S: I picked this show up because Asa looked so cool during a clip. I think it is quite rare for a show with a pair of super siblings with different genders as protagonists. It also seems like Asa is going to reveal her brocon side, with how much cheerful her voice was with that "My ani-sama has the hunter mental." line 😆
P/S 2: Don't google Oshira-sama. They being real life gods (with some changes) is all you should know.
1話から気になってたんだが、村人たちが結界を知っていたことや、大人たちがヘリに恐怖していたこと(子供たちが新しいものに興奮していたのと対照的)、そして大半の大人が武器を手に死んでいた点は興味深い。どうやら彼らは本物のアサを失った後、ユルを必死に守ろうとしていたらしく、近づく見知らぬ者は敵と見なしていた。その上で、ユルを偽のアサに鎖で繋いでいたんだな。婆さんは結界を修復できたことや、偽アサの影が正体を失った瞬間に婆さんを覆っていたことから、黒幕だったと思われる。
OPで今話の敵対者たちがユズと並んでいたのは本当に奇妙だ。おそらく今後のエピソードでアサの視点からの話も十分に描かれ、真の敵(今期の)が設定されるのだろう。
ところで、峠で立ち往生していた2人の兵士はユルとダンジに気絶させられた連中だ。デラと衝突しなかったのは幸運だったな。デラは誰も生かさなかったように見えたし。いや、彼らが殺しに来た連中と一緒に閉じ込められた今、むしろ不運と言えるか。
P.S. この作品を観始めたのはアサがクリップでめちゃくちゃカッコよかったからだ。異性の超能力兄弟を主人公にした作品は珍しいと思う。それに「我が兄様は狩人の心をお持ちです」という台詞の嬉しそうな声から、アサのブラコンっぷりが明らかになりそう考察くん+11
nqtoan1994
原文
So [about Oshira-sama from the folklore] >!she was born from a male horse and a maiden who fell in love. In a rage, the maiden's father killed the horse and stripped it of its skin. The skin of the horse wrapped the daughter of the couple, brought her to the heaven. They later reincarnated into silkworm and became god of silk weaving and agriculture.!<
I am not sure how close the version of this series to the version from folklore above, but they still have some traits related to the story, like how they showed up in a rural area with farms on the side of the road, and the scar on the horse's neck.
お白様の伝承だとこんな感じなんだな。馬と娘が恋に落ちて、父親が怒って馬を殺して皮を剥いだって話。皮が娘を包んで天に連れて行き、蚕に生まれ変わって機織りや農業の神様になったと。
作中で田舎道の農地に現れたり、馬の首に傷があったりするのは、ちゃんとその伝承に沿ってるんだね。原作の設定とどのくらい近いのかはわからないけど、そういう要素が入ってるのは面白い。普通くん+6
Silver-Challenge-633
Doesn't make sense to let the people who murdered a bunch of villagers go
え、まじで?村人たくさん殺した奴らを野放しにするの意味わかんないんだけど!やばくね?ギャル+11
Zonca
原文
Amazing episode, really great and intriguing worldbuilding so far.
So this "Kagemori" faction, in this episode Asa and Gabi were greatly humanized and the vibes were honestly pretty wholesome for someone who just went and murdered tens of *seemingly* innocent men and even women, at least they left the kids alone but honestly they did some pretty heinous stuff and the story didn't go out of its way to paint them as such.
It was a little bit too casual how the story treated the massacre, I honestly hope we will later get some sort of reveal about the crimes of the villagers and Granny Yamaha, like some baby-sacrifice level stuff, where all the adult villagers were involved, in order to justify how indiscriminate the massacre went, because otherwise, it will be quite hard to root for them, Asa's tears just don't hit when she's with the amish civillian murdering squad...
So far it seemed Yuru is important only because he can command the two daemons, but there is definitely way more to it, also they don't seem *that* crazy strong, I dont see them near the top of this verse powerscaling, though so far they do seem to be the strongest we have seen.
今回のエピソードすごく良かったな。世界観の構築が面白くて引き込まれる。
で、この「カゲモリ」一派だけど、今回アサとガビがすごく人間味を帯びてて、数十人の一見無実そうな男女を殺したばかりの連中にしては、雰囲気が結構ほのぼのしてた。子供には手を出さなかったのはいいけど、かなりひどいことやってるのに、物語がそれを悪として描こうとしてないのが気になる。
虐殺があまりにもあっさり処理されてるんだよな。正直、村人たちやヤマハ婆ちゃんに後々赤ん坊の生贄レベルの重大な罪が明かされてほしい。大人全員が関与してたとかで、あの無差別殺戮を正当化できるような。そうじゃないと、彼らを応援するのは難しいよ。アサの涙も、アーミッシュの市民を殺しまくる集団の中じゃ響かないし。
今のところユルは2体の使い魔を操れるってだけで重要そうだけど、絶対それだけじゃないはず。それに彼らがそこまで圧倒的に強いわけでもなさそうで、この作品のパワーバランスでトップクラスとは思えない。でも今のところは最強格に見えるけどね。普通くん+9
Aenah
I didn't want to give this series unfair expectations given the hype around the creator and this being the next FMA, but man I am loving this so far. Great to look at, interesting story, and fantastic character designs.
正直、作者の知名度や『次なる鋼の錬金術師』という過度な期待で本作を評価するのはフェアじゃないと思ってたんだが、現時点ではかなり楽しめていると言わざるを得ない。ビジュアルの美しさ、興味深いストーリー展開、そしてキャラデザの秀逸さ——これらを総合的に見ると、制作陣の意図が確実に読めてくる。特にキャラクターの配置や伏線の張り方が巧みで、今後の展開に期待が持てる設計だ。考察くん+9
ebonyphoenix
I hoping we learn more about how Yuru and Asa’s parents were able to escape the village with Asa but had to leave Yuru behind? Also wondering if they are still around. Because I’m still not full sold on who exactly is in the wrong between all the groups.
Honestly the granny seems the most suspicious person out of everyone.
ユルとアサの両親がどうやって村からアサだけ連れて逃げて、ユルを置き去りにしたのか、もっと詳しく知りたいな。あと両親はまだ生きてるのかも気になる。どの勢力が悪者なのか、まだ判断つきかねてるんだよね。
正直、おばあちゃんが一番怪しく見えるわ。普通くん+9
JJVM99
The opening and this episode feels they are trying to make Asa and Gabby more sympathetic and having Yuru potentially join them. If they are going to become good guys or even anti-heroes I am going to need a very good reason for them to massacre the village and why all those people needed to die like that.
オープニングと今回のエピソードは、アサとギャビーをより共感できるキャラクターとして描き、ユルが彼らに加わる可能性を示唆しているように感じられる。もし彼らが善人やアンチヒーローになる方向性だとしたら、なぜ村で虐殺を行い、あれだけの人々が無残に死ぬ必要があったのか、非常に説得力のある理由が必要だというのが正直なところ。考察くん+9
2kenzhe
原文
Ok so despite how serious the situation is like they killed a bunch of villagers and Dera killed like most of the soliders + two helicopters destoryed there was still a light hearted tone somehow.
I like the OP and ED.
Left and Right strong af and confirmed Asa is his sister and that the one he knew was a fake. So basically, his parents escaped with Asa but couldn't bring Yoru with them I guess? Then, to prevent him from leaving, they came up with a fake sister locked in a cage so that he wouldn't leave? I mean as bad as a first impression of Asa and Kagemori family whatever the village is sus af as well.
Left alone could beat Gabby Chans pair of Daemons so clearly Left and Right are pretty strong. Yuru was able to beat Gabby quite easily with his bow as well. Asa is proud of her brother lol and just happy af he's alive I guess.
Anyways Yoru is finally off the mountain now. Lets see more how he handles the modern world + his new Daemons. Also love how he just accepted there's horses and they run fast for the car lol.
あれだけ村人が殺されてデラが兵士やヘリをやっつけたのに、なんか軽いノリが残ってるのが面白いな。
OPとEDいいよね。
左と右がめっちゃ強いの確定したし、アサは実の妹で、ユルが知ってたのは偽物って判明したね。つまり、両親はアサを連れて逃げたけどユルは連れて行けなかったのか。で、彼が出て行かないように偽の妹を檻に閉じ込めてたって感じ?アサと影森家の第一印象は悪いけど、あの村自体も怪しすぎるわ。
左だけでギャビー・チャンの悪魔のペアに勝てるってことは、左と右はかなり強いな。ユルも弓で簡単にギャビー倒せてたし。アサは兄貴を誇りに思ってて、生きてて純粋に嬉しそうだね。
とにかくユルがようやく山を下りた。これから現代社会と新しい悪魔たちにどう対応するか見たいわ。馬がいて車より速く走ることすんなり受け入れてるのも好き。普通くん+6
FarCritical
Damn, it didn't even register to me at first that Yuru aimed for Gabby's leg and dominant arm specifically to incapacitate.
Finding out there's more to each faction was really cool but honestly I just want to watch more modern stuff explained to Yuru and the guardians like they're five. "There are horses in here and it goes real fast" was gold lol
なるほど、ユルがギャビーの脚と利き腕を狙ったのは意図的に戦闘不能にするためだったのか。最初は気づかなかったけど、確かに効率的な戦術だな。
各陣営の深掘りが明らかになったのは興味深い。ただ個人的には、ユルと守護者たちに現代のものを「5歳児に説明するように」解説するシーンをもっと見たい。馬が出てきて速いんだぜって説明、めちゃくちゃ面白かったわ。考察くん+8
DeusAxeMachina
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This show tickles me in a way I can't put my finger on, something about it is so darn nostalgic.
I like how chill and rational all of the characters without falling back on the "cold hearted genius" trope. It's pretty refreshing for a shounen encounter to end with both sides bilaterally agreeing to disengage and back off. On the other hand this episode felt *too* lighthearted at times in a way that felt off, like the comedic scene with the little girl happening while her beheaded mother is still in the frame.
The animation and soundtrack is decent so far, nothing outstanding or below-average. The music sounds like Suehiro to me which is pretty disappointing, his style is a little too modern hollywood for a show like this IMO (plus he's also doing ReZero this season, which fits him a lot better), I wish we'd gotten Senju or Oshima for this show to complete the FMA class reunion.
このアニメ、なんだか説明できないけどめっちゃ懐かしい気持ちになるんだよね。
キャラがみんな冷静で理性的なのがいい。「冷徹な天才」みたいなテンプレに頼ってないし。少年漫画でありがちな遭遇戦で両者が合意の上で撤退する展開も新鮮だわ。ただ、今回の話は所々ギャグシーンの温度感がおかしかった。母親の首が飛んだ直後に少女のコメディシーン入れるのは違和感あった。
作画とサウンドトラックは可もなく不可もなくって感じ。音楽は末廣さんっぽいけど、この作品には彼の現代ハリウッド風は合わないと思う。同じクールでやってるRe:Zeroの方が合ってるし。千住さんか大島さんでFMAの同窓会やってほしかったな。普通くん+7
Embarrassed-Match-78
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So I'm going to withhold judgement on Asa and Gabby for the time being, given it seems there's a lot we don't know about. What we do know is that the parents fled with Asa and she returned years later with a paramilitary force. They felt it a satisfactory result for the mission forcing Yuru from the village. At the least Asa seems to genuinely care for her brother.
Granny is definitely sus, and I doubt it's the last time we see her or fake Asa.
That poor little girl is going to need a ton of therapy.
Yuru's reaction to civilization is fairly muted. However given everything that happened you can tell he's lost in thought. Though looks like next episode we'll see him interacting with at least a toilet lol.
Hana is going to be a fun one with her translation of modern to feudal. There's horses in it lol. Speaking of modern vs. feudal I love the detail about the food being more nutritious to explain why Asa is so much taller. Another protag with a height complex, though Gabby seems to have that base covered.
アサとギャビーについてはまだ判断保留やな。親がアサ連れて逃げて数年後に民兵連れて戻ってきたってとこしかわかっとらん。村からユル追い出す任務は成功で納得してるっぽいけど、少なくともアサは弟のこと本気で気にかけてるわ。
婆ちゃんは絶対怪しいンゴwww 偽アサもまだ出番ありそうやし。
あのガキんちょはマジでカウンセリング必要やろな。
ユルの文明に対する反応は割と薄いけど、色々あって考え込んでる感じやな。でも次回は便器とご対面やろなwww
ハナが現代語を封建時代語に翻訳するの楽しそうやん。馬も出てくるし草。あと飯の栄養価が高いからアサがデカいって設定、細かくて好きやわ。また身長コンプ主人公かよ、でもギャビーがその辺はカバーしてるな。2ちゃん+7
1Newredditor
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Weird shift in tone for me after how brutal the first episode was. Just because Yuru meets his true sister after ten years he simply lets the person who slaughtered every adult in the village go?
Even if what the hikers said is true and the village was quietly disappearing anyone who got close, that means every single one of them deserves to die?
After granny's terrifying stare at the end of the episode, the only side I'm on is Yuru doing what's best for himself.
初回のあの凄惨な展開からのトーン変化が気になるな。10年ぶりに実の妹と再会したからって、村の大人を皆殺しにした人物を簡単に逃がすのか?
たとえハイカーたちの言う通り、村が近づく者を静かに消していたとしても、全員が死ぬ価値があるとは思えないんだが。
最終盤のばあちゃんのあの恐ろしい眼光を踏まえると、俺が唯一支持できるのはユルが自分のために最善を尽くす道だけだな。考察くん+6
MokonaModokiES
we know practically nothing yet. Specially since it seems there is some really important stuff going on with the twins representing the Night and Day that even that other deity that seemed to be very important considers it a very problematic thing.
確かにまだ全然わかってないよね。特に双子が昼と夜を象徴してて、あの重要そうな神様でさえ厄介だと思ってるってのが気になるし。普通くん+11
StrawberryVole
I also found Asa's faction's reaction to losing all their soldiers weird too. Losing that many people of your side should be pretty sad.
確かに!アサの仲間たちが兵士全員失った時の反応も変だったよな。あれだけ味方死んだら普通はもっと悲しむはずだろ。感情くん+8
WeebTheAnimeGod
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I think its a little more than just meeting his true sister. He learned about daemons, his sister is possibly a fake, his possibly real sister massacred the village, he saw guns, helicopters, and explosives. Then, his village gods incarnate and say they will follow him then corroborate the new Asa's story about her being Yuru's sister.
His entire life just changed into somethin foreign. Like a fucked up anime Truman Show
確かに、ただ妹に会っただけって話じゃないよね。悪魔の存在を知って、妹が偽物かもしれないってなって、本物っぽい妹が村を虐殺して、銃やヘリ、爆弾も見た。そこに村の神様が現れて「お前に従う」って言い出して、新しいアサがユルの妹だって話も裏付ける。人生全部が急にわけわかんなくなった感じだよ。まるでめちゃくちゃなアニメ版トゥルーマン・ショーだな。普通くん+6
ImportantExtension91
I for one enjoy the morally grey area of the story and character. I don’t want every show to be another demon slayer or frieren. I like my “justice league” I also like my “suicide squad”. It’s a nice change of pace.
せやな、ワイはこの作品のグレーな倫理観好きやわ。毎回『鬼滅』や『フリーレン』みたいな正統派ばっかじゃ飽きるやろ。正義の味方も好きやけど、悪党パーティーも好きやねん。たまにはこういう変化球もええやん。2ちゃん+5
Mythral_Force
So is no one going to talk about the fact that they spent like 5 seconds focusing only on Lefts feet, movement and all, after her kick or do I have to bring it up?
あの蹴りの後、レフトの足だけに5秒ぐらいクローズアップしてたの、俺が言わなきゃ誰も話さない感じ?普通くん+6
IhatemyLife4now
Crunchyroll doing the crunchyroll thing and stalling.
またCrunchyrollがいつものクソみたいな引き延ばしやってるよッ!イライラするわ!感情くん+5
Gliamer
And who says the villagers were innocent?
「村人たちは無実だ」って誰が言ったんや?ワイは最初から怪しいと思ってたで2ちゃん+19
Ponchorello7
Between Noi from Dorohedoro and Left, the muscle mommy quota of the season has been met.
ドロヘドロのノイとレフトで、今期のマッチョママ枠はもう十分だね。普通くん+5
tripleaamin
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Got to feel bad for Yuru. Learning the sister that you've known for your whole life has been a fake. Well, at least Right does tell him that Eyepatch Girl is his sister Asa. Though who can Yuru really trust though?
One thing that is interesting is that you have Yuru who has lived his whole life with a sister that was actually a fake. Meanwhile, Asa has lived outside the village without her brother. For them seeing each other, the meeting holds significance. For her to know her brother is alive must have meant so much to her.
ユルには同情せざるを得ないな。ずっと一緒に育ってきた妹が実は偽物だったと知るわけだから。ただ、ライトが「眼帯の少女こそがお前の妹・アサだ」と告げたのは救いだ。とはいえ、ユルは本当に誰を信じればいいのか。
興味深いのは、ユルは偽物の妹と共に人生を送ってきたのに対し、アサは村の外で兄なしで生きてきたという対比だ。二人が再会する場面は、深い意味を持つ。アサにとって、兄が生きていると知れたことは、どれほど大きな意味があったことか。考察くん+5
CrimsonGear80
"it has 1000 horses inside to make it go fast"!
well, Left's kick made something else in me "go fast"...
「中に馬1000頭入ってて加速する」って発想ヤバすぎるッ!
でもさ、レフトの蹴りで俺の中の何かが「加速」したんだけど…!感情くん+5
Primus81
Sayuu means ‘left and right’. It has kanji/word for both hidari and migi together as one word.
Disclaimer - I’m still learning Japanese, but this seems correct from several websites
左優って「左と右」って意味なんだな。左(ひだり)と右(みぎ)の漢字が一緒になってるんだね。
※まだ日本語勉強中だけど、いくつかサイトで確認した感じでは合ってると思う。普通くん+6
gabbertronnnn
Eps 1 and 2 really needed to premiere at the same time IMO. While I'm intrigued, I'm also frustrated that I really have no idea whats going on yet. I need clarification and fast.
それな!1話と2話同時公開すべきだったよな。興味はめっちゃ湧くんだけど、まだ何もわからなさすぎてイライラするッ!早く説明してくれマジで。感情くん+5
ALPHABRINE21
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I'm finding it hard to get invested, Yuru's world got flipped upside down but he's acting casual like nothing happened, in reality he'd be wary of everyone, the village lied to him, and the people he grew up living with have been slaughtered, he'd be an emotional wreck , ideally go berserk or run away, but he's not even asking Dera why they lied to him about his sister, he's just casually moving along, no hint of sadness or fear or betrayal. No one in the series sofar is eve reacting to the death of many people, it's treated more like comedy and is shrugged off... I'll keep watching and see if any of this behavior makes any sense or is explained but so far these 2 episodes have been a weak introduction to this universe for me.
ユルが感情を抑えている点が気になるな。彼の世界は完全にひっくり返ったはずなのに、まるで何事もなかったかのように振る舞っている。現実なら村に騙され、育てられた人々が虐殺されたことで、警戒心をむき出しにするか、逆に感情的に暴走するか、逃げ出すのが普通だと思う。デラに妹の件でなぜ嘘をついたのか尋ねることもせず、悲しみや恐怖、裏切られた感も見せずに淡々と進むのは不自然だ。さらに、シリーズ全体で多数の死者に対する反応が欠けており、コメディ調で流されているのも気になる。今後この行動に説明がつくか見守るつもりだが、現時点ではこの2話はこの世界への導入として弱いと感じる。考察くん+6
BlueDragonCultist
I agree with you for most media, but I don't think communication would necessarily help here. Yuru didn't seem to be in any mood to believe what they were saying after they massacred the villagers. He only seemed to believe Asa after Right confirmed it.
確かに大抵の作品ならそうなんだけど、この場合は話し合いが解決になるとは思えないな。村人を虐殺した後でユルが何を言っても信じる気になるとは思えないし、アサを信じたのもライトが確認した後だったしね。普通くん+12
Teen_tactical
Unfortunately, people’s goals are often inherently incompatible, leaving little room for compromise. On top of that, it’s incredibly difficult to have a civil discussion after witnessing someone kill your friends and neighbors, even if, from their perspective, it was justified.
せやな、結局人間の目標って根本的に相容れんもんやろ。妥協の余地なんてほぼないわ。しかも友達や隣人が殺されるのを目の当たりにした後で冷静な議論なんて無理ゲーやん。相手の立場からすれば正当化できてもな。2ちゃん+11
Peleg_Amir
Does it look to you like they are joining up? yuru, dera and the rest are currently hiding from the group asa and psycho chibi girl seem to be afiliated with.
やばくない!?ユルとデラたちって、今アサとサイコちびっ子が属してるグループから隠れてるんじゃないの?合流しようとしてるっぽく見えるけど!ギャル+6
Aerohed
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Consider this: from his perspective, why *wouldn’t* he trust the daemon retainer that he’s probably known for years over the sister that just lead the slaughter of most of his village? Even if he now knows they are biologically related, it doesn’t mean she isn’t up to something nefarious. As far as he knows, while the villagers might have tricked him, it’s also possible that real Asa is lying or obscuring information. There’s too many unknowns for him to just saddle up with the violent invaders that have destroyed his life as he knows it.
On that note, Dera is specifically not trying to keep him in the village the way his granny was, so in that regard, he’s at least slightly more trustworthy.
考えてみ?彼からすれば、何年も知ってるデーモンの家来を信用しない理由がないんだよ。村の大半を虐殺した張本人の妹よりはな。血が繋がってると知ったところで、あの娘が何か企んでないとは限らない。村人に騙されてた可能性もあるけど、本物のアサが嘘をついてる可能性もあるしな。自分が知ってた生活をぶち壊した暴力的な侵入者たちと手を組むには、情報が足りなすぎるんだよ。
そういう点でデラは、ばあちゃんみたいに彼を村に縛り付けようとしてないし、少なくともちょっとは信頼できるってわけだ。普通くん+12
Desperate_Method4020
Even though it is his real sister, he doesn't really know her. And I'm guessing he feels kinda shocked about the whole situation. Being lied to, by basically everyone.
せやな…実の妹やけど、全然知らん人やしな。ワイならこの状況でガチで衝撃受けるわ。周り全員に騙されとったってことやろ?草2ちゃん+5