黄泉のツガイ

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ダンジがユルに助けを求め、両親の手掛かりか、人質の救出か、決断を迫られるユル。そして、軟禁されているアザミと偽アサの元へやってきたのは――
エピソードサムネイル
caiusto
I'm glad they gave us that 2min recap otherwise we may have seen the conclusion of the fight this episode.
2分の振り返り(ダイジェスト)がなかったら、今週で戦闘の決着見えてたかもなのに…本当に助かったわ。マジで焦ったわ!感情くん
frantruck
My biggest critique of this show is it feels like if the content of the episodes were just shifted 5 minutes forward almost every episode would end at a satisfying point rather than in the middle of something. Cliffhangers can happen naturally and be effective, but it feels like this show is forcing them, which makes it feel like it doesn't trust itself to capture my interest by it's story alone.
このアニメへの一番の不満は、各話の内容が5分ずつ後ろにずれてれば、ほぼ毎回気持ちよく終われたのにって感じることだな。中途半端なところで終わるんだよ。クリフハンガーは自然に起こる分には効果的だけど、この作品は無理やり作ってる感じがする。ストーリーだけで興味を引ける自信がないのかなって思っちゃうわ。普通くん
MakeMineMarvel_
i waited 4 weeks to binge 4 episodes to get rid of cliffhangers. and i just got hit with the biggest one so far hahah my hubris got me
某、四週間も待って四話を一気に見て、続きが気になる終わり方を避けようと致した。されど、最大の引っ掛かりを食らってしまい申した。ははは、我が傲慢が招いた災いでござるな。武士
Jack_KH
Hey, they need to fill 24 episodes with only 31 chapters (approximately). Plus from some perspective, it's good to end on a cliffhanger: it keeps people invested.
31話しかないのに24話も埋めなきゃいけないんか…まあ視点によっては引き際のクリフハンガーで終わるのも悪くないわな、続き気になるし。2ちゃん
cheapdrinks
原文
I hate being treated like an idiot though. Like with the recap bullshit as if I can't remember what happened one episode ago. That and the idea that I'd watch 19 out of 24 episodes of a show and still need a cliffhanger to be invested at that point or I might just randomly drop. Or if I did hate it so much that I was about to drop it that a cliffhanger would be enough to pull me back in. Honestly most of the time I drop shows it's because they perpetually end in cliffhangers and every week it feels like I'm watching the last 10% of the previous episode and the next 90% of the new one which is immensely unsatisfying.
バカ扱いされるのは本当に嫌だな。前回の話を覚えてないと思われてるみたいで、総集編とかマジで意味わかんないし。それに、24話中19話も観てるのに、まだ引き込まれるためにクリフハンガーが必要だって思われるのも変だよ。その時点で興味持ってなかったら、正直もう観ないし。逆に、もう観るのやめようかってくらい嫌いだったら、クリフハンガーごときで戻ってくるわけないじゃん。実際、俺がアニメを切る時って、毎週クリフハンガーで終わって、毎回前回のラスト10%と新エピソードの90%を観てる感じで、すごく消化不良なんだよね。普通くん
Jack_KH
Cliffhangers are not a big deal for me. But if it's a cliffhanger for a season finale, then it's a different thing. Recaps are complicated. I see them as necessary evil. I mean, if this recap hadn't existed, the episode would've still ended on the same place, because they planned the whole season like this. Except the pacing of an episode would've been somewhat slower, if not for this recap.
クリフハンガー自体はそこまで気にならないんだが、シーズン最終話のクリフハンガーとなると話は別だな。総集編は複雑で、必要悪だと思っている。というのも、この総集編がなくても、シーズン全体の構成上、同じ場所で終わっていただろうからな。ただ、この総集編がなかったら、エピソードのテンポはもう少し遅くなっていたかもしれない、という考察ができる。考察くん
Parodizer1
cough cough Witch Hat Atelier
おお、咳払いでござるか…『とんがり帽子のアトリエ』のことを申されるのでござるな。某もその名を聞けば、心が躍るのでござる!武士
gsurfer04
Dan Da Dan as well.
ダンダダンもな。普通くん
abandoned_idol
Recap helped me a lot. I'm the indolent viewer that gets rescued by the recap spanning multiple episodes worth of content.
復習回マジで助かった!複数話分の内容をまとめてくれて、怠け者視聴者の俺が救われたわ。ありがてえ〜!感情くん
asionm
You know you can just skip the recap right?
まじで? 総集編はスキップできるんだよw 知らなかったわ笑wwwおじ
cheapdrinks
Skipping the recap doesn't magically leave me with a full length episode of new content. The recap was about 10% of the total episode.
総集編を飛ばしても、新しい内容がフル尺になるわけじゃないんだよ。総集編は全体の10%くらいだったし。普通くん
abandoned_idol
Don't worry. It's not like having more than 90% of episode will help us once the anime catches up to the latest point of the story anyways. If you want to prioritize satisfaction, you could potentially binge the show after season 1 finishes airing, on an absolutely killer cliffhanger.
心配しなくていいと思う。アニメが物語の最新地点に追いついた時点で、エピソードの90%以上を消化していても意味はないからな。満足感を優先するなら、シーズン1が放送終了して、最高に痺れるクリフハンガーで終わった後に一気見するのも一つの手だという考察ができる。考察くん
HornedTurtle1212
That and Yuru showing up and standing around at the hostage house for another third of the episode. Wrapping that up seemed to drag on while we know Left and Right are out there fighting.
あれに加えて、ユルが人質の家に現れて、またエピソードの三分の一を立ち尽くして過ごしたのもな。左と右が外で戦っていると分かっているのに、あの展開は引き摺りすぎだったのだ。中二病
Jack_KH
You're right. That's why I like them more than slower pacing.
確かに!ゆっくりな展開よりこっちの方が好きだわ、まじわかる!ギャル
gamria
There're definitely more than 31 chapters. It's just Ch 31 makes for an ideal stopping point for Season 1. Where did you get 24 episodes by the way? No objections to cliffhangers per se, but a real pity they didn't pick the more satisfying one out there (understandably so for economic reasons)
31話以上あるのは確かだな。ただ、31話がシーズン1の区切りとしては理想的だと思うんだよ。ところで、24話という数字はどこから出てきたんだ?クリフハンガー自体に異論はないが、もっと満足度の高い終わり方を選ばなかったのは惜しいな(経済的な理由で仕方ないとは思うが)。考察くん
Jack_KH
I got 24 episodes, because it was announced for this season to have 24 episodes.
え、まじで!?今期は24話って発表されてたからそうなるっぽいじゃん!やばくね、長く楽しめて最高じゃん!ギャル
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
Nasty cliffhanger to end the episode on, and clearly intentional too, with 2 minutes of recap footage used to start the ep If he thought he was just hallucinating before, that poor security guard is definitely going to need a paid leave now to pay for his psychiatric treatment lol The dere twins strike again. Man, Asa honestly scares me more than that chick from Obsession. So unhinged when it comes to her brother--breaking stuff, kidnapping and threatening kids, breaking more stuff, and having to be physically dragged away from Yuru LMAO Thoroughly impressed with Ivan holding out one against four for so long. I love how much he weaponizes his words that even the usually calm and collected Yuru couldn't help but fall for his bs. Great to see tho that it was Asa's words that helped him calm down when he was basically having a mental breakdown on whom to trust just a few episodes back
エピソード終わりの引きがエグすぎるやろwww明らかにわざとやん、冒頭2分の総集編で時間稼ぎしてんのに草 あの警備員さん、幻覚だと思ってたのに、今度こそ精神科通い確定やなww デレツインズまたかよ。ていうかアサ、オブセッションのあの女より怖いわ。兄貴のことになるとマジでブッ壊れてるやん——物壊すわ、ガキ脅すわ、また物壊すわ、ユルから物理的に引き剥がされるわでLMAO イワンが1対4でここまで粘ったのはガチで評価するわ。言葉を武器にしまくって、いつも冷静なユルまでハメるのは見事やで。でも数話前まで誰信じるかでブチ壊れてた時に、アサの言葉で立ち直ったのは良かったわ2ちゃん
Merquette
Honestly the recap made me mad at first, but now I'm even more mad after you make a good point about its purpose
ふむ…最初は総集編などと、我が心を苛立たせたものよ。されど、汝の見事な指摘により、その存在意義を悟った今、怒りは更なる深淵へと沈むのだ。中二病
mythriz
"Ai-chan was exaggerating way too much!" 2 seconds later
アイちゃん、大げさすぎだよ!…って言った2秒後には普通くん
BosuW
"...Ai may have held back too much."
「アイ、まじで手加減しすぎたんじゃね?笑」ギャル
flashmozzg
If he thought he was just hallucinating before, that poor security guard is definitely going to need a paid leave now to pay for his psychiatric treatment lol I just can imagine Kagemoris cleaning the bodies up so the police/ambulance show up to nothing and just really think this dude has gone insane.
まあ、あの警備員が前も幻覚だと思ってたなら、今度こそ精神科の治療代のために有給休暇が必要になるだろうな。影森たちが遺体を片付けて、警察や救急が現場に着いたら何もなくて、あいつが正気を失ったとしか思われない光景が目に浮かぶよ。ドライおじ
BosuW
Hey, maybe he'll get that leave after all!
彼、やっぱり休暇もらえるんじゃね?www2ちゃん
Meiolore
A more gory version of Phineas and Ferb basically
要するに、もっとグロい版のフィニアスとファーブって感じだね。普通くん
hanmkim
I could have used something like that after the Re:Zero break, not for this though. At least they didn't pull an Exiled Heavy Knight I guess.
Re:Zero休止の後にこういうの欲しかったわ。今回はそこまででもないけどな。少なくとも『追放された重騎士』みたいな展開にはならなかっただけマシやろ。2ちゃん
Boris-_-Badenov
my guess is Yuru tells Danji to shoot
多分ユルがダンジに撃てって言うんだろうな。普通くん
ShinJiwon
Even though Dera didn't shoot, Ivan knew he was there and was probably watching for his shot, so really 1v5.
デラは撃たなかったけど、イワンは居場所察知してたやろ。撃ってくるの待ち構えてたんやから実質1対5やんwww2ちゃん
FLorianGran
Vile, disgusting cliffhanger this week
今週のクリフハンガーまじかよwww最悪すぎて草wwwおじ
TehFono
This the type of stuff that makes me snap and start reading the manga lol
これ読んだら我慢できなくて漫画読み始めちゃうやつじゃん笑ギャル
ButIDigr3ss
fr I thought Dera was going to shoot him, then the episode ended 😢
デラが撃つのかと思ったら、そのままエピソード終わっちゃったよ😢普通くん
MakeMineMarvel_
i waited 4 weeks to binge the show from ep 16 to 19. and i got left on this cliffhanger. i damn near lost my mind.
4週間待って16話から19話まで一気見したンゴ。そしたらこの引きで終わるとか頭おかしなるわ。マジで発狂寸前やったわ。2ちゃん
drakenastor
I just did the same thing today lol. Not to mention that 3 minute recap, they must be trying to save some cash or give the animators a break, cause a long ass recap and anime opening at the same time is brutal, like c'mon it's a weekly show! Why recap!?
今日同じことやったわ笑。しかも3分の総集編とか、制作費節約かアニメーター休ませたいのか知らんけど、長い総集編とアニメOPを同時にやるのはきついよな。週刊アニメなのに、なんで総集編入れるんだよ!?普通くん
kyoumei
Same, I binged the last 9 episodes and went to click next but there wasn't one I'm shattered. Reading the reason why there is a long recap has made me mad. Why all the recaps 😢
まじでそれ!最後の9話一気見して次押そうとしたらなかったんだけど!?心折れたわ…。長い総集編の理由読んでマジでムカついたし。なんであんなに総集編多いん?泣けるわ😢ギャル
Mons9090
Left is so badass. Missing arm, sword in her chest and still so calm
左ガチでかっこよすぎやろ。腕ないのに剣刺さってるのに余裕やんwww2ちゃん
Ikari_21
Although she left that sword in her chest too long for my comfort. I was yelling “please take it out already!!!” And then Ivan activated it lol
あの剣が胸に刺さったままなのは長すぎてヒヤヒヤしたわ。思わず「早く抜いて!」って叫んでたよ。そしたらイワンが発動させるってオチで笑った普通くん
MakeMineMarvel_
it gave her mega turbo daemon cancer at the end there
最後の方で彼女にメガターボ級の悪魔ガンを与えちゃったんだよ……しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
ListenNew
Shes way too careless
あの子まじで無防備すぎじゃない!?笑ギャル
Zxcvbnm11592
This really be Daemons of the Cliffhanger Realm huh
これは本当に「崖っぷちの黄泉のツガイ」って感じだな普通くん
ichigosr5
Ivan was going crazy in this episode. I'm happy Bone is giving him all the hype he deserves.
イヴァンまじやばかったじゃん!?今回の話はさ!ボーンがちゃんとイヴァンを盛り上げてくれてて、まじで嬉しいんだけど!彼がもらうべき評価やっと得た感じだよね!ギャル
Myrkrvaldyr
Him having Urahara Kisuke's VA fits him so well.
うらはら喜助と同じ声優ってのがめっちゃハマってるわ。普通くん
Boris-_-Badenov
who's spreading that around ?!
誰がそんなこと広めてるんだよ?! マジで言ってる?!感情くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Trying to agitate Yoru but he calmed down himself But Hidari 😱
夜を煽ろうとしたのに、本人は自分で落ち着いちゃったんだけど、左はやばくね!?😱ギャル
Zeph-Shoir
REALLY convincing opponent, he gets the best animated action scenes and it has taken 3+ people to match him
本当に手強い相手だよね。彼のアクションシーンは作画が最高だし、3人以上かかってやっと互角って感じだな。普通くん
l-o-a-p
Left + Right + Yuru + Dera + Danji, and he's still controlling the fight. Take the damn shot (aiming for somewhere nonlethal), Dera!
左+右+ユル+デラ+ダンジ、なのにまだ戦況を掌握してるのか。さっさと撃てよ(致死部位は避けて狙え)、デラ!ドライおじ
BosuW
Bro has that aura. He is definitely not a character to be taken down until the final Arc if at all.
あいつオーラやばいンゴwww 最終章まで倒されないキャラやろ絶対2ちゃん
abandoned_idol
There sure is a lot of action sakuga for Ivan.
イワンのアクション作画、めちゃくちゃ力入ってるね。普通くん
IronVanguard7
The show has been such a breath of fresh air with it's intelligent characters!
このアニメまじで新鮮なんだけど!キャラたちが賢いのが最高じゃん!ギャル
fieew
Its nice because even if someone is smart they can still be thrown off balance. Yuru is smart and cunning. But Ivan hit him right where it hurts most. So Yuru was a hair away from snapping and screwing up. Even the smart characters can be used and exploited under the right circumstances. So it feels like we never know how a confrontation is going to end as a result.
ユルは賢くて狡猾なのに、イヴァンは急所を的確に突いてきたんだよな。あの場面、ユルは冷静さを失いかけてた。賢いキャラでも状況次第で利用されうるってのが、この作品の面白いところだと思う。だからこそ、対決の行方が読めなくてハラハラさせられるんだよな。考察くん
Meiolore
First time in a while where the MC is competent af yet not being OP or even having any overly superhuman ability.
久しぶりにまじで有能な主人公見た気がするんだけど!しかも無双とかじゃなくて、超人的な能力があるわけでもないっていうのがいいよね!やばくね!?ギャル
enigma7x
I like that this time Yuru thought of his sister to stay calm
今回はユルが冷静さを保つために妹のことを思い出したのが良かったね普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Asa's Yuru radar is so strong, she was able to hear his voice coming from outside with the windows closed lol. I do like that she told fake Asa to not lie to Yuru, and to tell him the whole truth. She knows taking her out would be worse for Yuru, and if she is fake, Yuru has a bond with her.  I do like tsundere Yuru with Danji, it was really sweet to see him showing he cares even if it meant missing out on information about his parents. And I really like Danji went off on him for not prioritizing the information, I really hope after fake Asa talks it out with Yuru, we'll see them being the childhood friends that they should have been.  I really like how Yuru took the spot that Ivan wouldn't be able to see him from, seeing Ivan in such a disadvantage with arrows and then Left and Right attacking him at the same time was exciting to see.  I'm glad Yuru was able to suppress his rage because I was really worried he'd lose it from Ivan's provocations, it's interesting that Asa's words are what calmed him down. I feel like that fact alone might change how he sees her. I am concerned about Left, I hope there's no harmful side effects from whatever Ivan did to her.
アサのユル感知能力は本当に強力だな。窓が閉まっているのに外から彼の声が聞こえたのは笑った。彼女が偽アサに「ユルに嘘をつくな、真実を全部話せ」と言ったのは良い判断だと思う。自分を連れ出すことがユルにとって悪影響だと理解しているし、もし偽物ならばユルとの絆があるからな。ダンジとのツンデレなユルも良かった。両親の情報を逃しても構わずに気遣いを見せる姿は本当に微笑ましかった。そしてダンジが情報を優先しなかったことでユルに怒ったのも好きだ。偽アサがユルと話し合った後、本来あるべき幼馴染の関係が見られることを期待している。イワンの視界から外れる位置にユルが立ったのも良かった。矢で不利な状況に陥ったイワンを左右から同時に攻撃する展開は興奮した。ユルが怒りを抑えられたのは良かった。イワンの挑発で暴走するんじゃないかと心配していたからな。アサの言葉が彼を落ち着かせたのは興味深い。その事実だけで彼女への見方が変わるかもしれない。レフトが心配だ。イワンが何をしたのか、副作用がなければいいが。考察くん
tapdancinghellspawn
Left better not die or I'm going to be more depressed than I already am. I wonder if Yuru's Seal, if awoken, could heal Left? I haven't read the source material so I have no clue what Seal does.
レフト死なないでくれよ……マジで今以上に鬱になるから無理。ユルのツガイが目覚めたらレフト治せるのかな?原作読んでないからツガイの能力が全然わかんないんだよな……しんどい。感情くん
Wolfencreek
They mentioned in the previous episode that because they're made of stone they can just be repaired, haven't read the manga, but so far in the anime we know seal can be used to trap Daemons in their totem form, like what happened with the long arm/long leg duo
前の話で石でできてるから修復できるって言ってたよね。漫画は読んでないけど、アニメの現時点では封印で悪魔をトーテム形態に閉じ込められるって分かってる。長腕・長脚のコンビみたいにね。普通くん
CosmicDestructor
原文
From what we've seen of Break being ableto break everything - ohysical objects, daemon contracts, barriers etc., I'd imagine Seal can seal pretty much everything. We know it can seal daemons. It can probably seal physical objects away in some way, and perhaps it can seal contracts that become unbreakable? An interesting question just popped into my mind. What happens when Break and Seal collide? Do they just refuse to attack each other? They're the only daemon pair we know of that doesn't contract a single master, so what if the masters are in opposition? Can Seal seal Break, or can Break break Seal? Lol
これまでの描写を見る限り、ブレイクは物理的な物体、デーモンの契約、結界などあらゆるものを破壊できる。ならばシールもまた、ほぼ全てを封じられるのではないかと考察できる。デーモンを封じることは既に確認済みだ。物理的な物体を何らかの形で封じることも可能だろうし、破壊不能な契約すら封じられるかもしれない。ここで一つ興味深い疑問が浮かぶ。ブレイクとシールが衝突した場合、どうなるのか? 互いに攻撃を拒否するのだろうか? 彼らは単一の主人に契約しない唯一のデーモンペアだ。もし主人同士が対立したら? シールはブレイクを封じられるのか、それともブレイクがシールを破壊できるのか? 考え出すと止まらないな。考察くん
schnazzums
Yeah I’m really curious what all Seal can do because Break seems so much better. I wonder if Seal can repair stuff Break makes
わかる!!でもシールの能力も気になりすぎるッ!ブレイクの方が強そうに見えるけど、シールには何か秘密があるはず…!もしかしてブレイクが作ったものを修復できるとか?それやばくない!?感情くん
BlindmanSokolov
It's really nice to see a protagonist who isn't always just running into everything screaming. He makes his fair share of mistakes, but he's tactical, and his "stupidity" is more ignorance of the world's nature rather than the usual brash stupidity.
主人公が毎回叫びながら突っ込んでいくタイプじゃないのは本当にいいね。彼もそれなりにミスはするけど戦略的だし、彼の「バカさ」は世界の仕組みに対する無知であって、よくある短絡的なバカさとは違うんだよな。普通くん
bananeeek
What a brutal cliffhanger. And the pacing was so good, I didn't even see it coming. I was looking forward to Asa confronting the fake-Asa, so I'm a bit bummed. At least now I can look forward to Migi hugging Asa.
ワイ的には展開読めへんかったわ。ペース配分完璧すぎて草。アサと偽アサの対決楽しみにしてたンゴ...ちょっと肩透かしや。まあミギがアサを抱きしめる未来に期待やで。2ちゃん
NanDemoKnaives
Got me yelling "NO!" when the ED hit lol.
ED流れた瞬間まじで「ヤバい!!」って叫んだわ笑ギャル
MakeMineMarvel_
i lost track of time and was so invested that when the end came i literally gasp haha
時間を忘れるくらい夢中になってて、終わった瞬間思わず息を呑んじゃったわ(笑)普通くん
Parodizer1
I understand why people might want to binge it rather than watch weekly given the pacing so far.
わかるわかる!今のペース見てると、毎週待つのだるくて一気見したくなる気持ちも超わかるんだよね〜!ギャル
tehdannydarko
Indeed, every episode of this series truly feels like it flies by. I was so sucked into that fight I kind of forgot I was watching something for a minute until the cliffhanger hit.
マジでこのシリーズ毎話あっという間すぎるッ!あの戦闘シーンに引き込まれすぎて、一瞬観てること忘れてたわ。そしたらまさかのクリフハンガーで現実に戻された…無理すぎる!感情くん
FarCritical
Gotta give Ivan credit for being able to move like that with an arrow to the thigh and for lasting as long as he has. If only Asa knew a memory of her singlehandedly gave Yuru peace when it really counted. It was hilarious learning the caricature of her Jin whipped up to lure Akio wasn't really an exaggeration though lol.
イワンは太ももに矢が刺さった状態であれだけ動けるのは素直にすごいと思うし、ここまで耐えたのも立派だよ。アサが自分の記憶がユルの心の支えになってたって知ったらなあ。ジンがアキオをおびき出すために描いたアサの似顔絵が、実は誇張じゃなかったって分かったのは笑ったわ。普通くん
CitronClassic672
原文
How the show has handled the imitation Asa has been one of my favorite things these past few episodes. It started off with some people complaining that Asa was reduced to a caricature of herself, then we get the reveal that it was a literal caricature of Asa, only for the show to then lampshade it by commenting that the caricature isn’t that far off from how she actually is, which is the entire reason the twist works on the viewers in the first place. The imitation’s behavior is completely believable for me.
ここ最近のエピソードで模造アサの扱いがワイの一番のお気に入りやわ。最初は「アサがキャラ崩壊してる」って叩かれてたんやけど、実は文字通りアサの似顔絵やったってオチで、しかも「似顔絵は実際のアサと大差ない」って自虐的に突っ込むから、視聴者を騙す仕掛けが成立してるんや。模造の行動もワイには完全に説得力あるわ。2ちゃん
Ikari_21
Agreed. I’ve been so impressed with the writing in this series. So many twists, turns, reveals that really make you unsure whether it’s a misdirection or not. Although, I should’ve expected no less from the author of a masterpiece like FMA!
確かに。このシリーズの脚本には本当に感心してるよ。数々のどんでん返しや伏線回収で、これがミスリードなのか本物なのか分からなくなるくらいだ。でも、鋼の錬金術師の作者なら当然か。普通くん
MakeMineMarvel_
preach, that lady can do no harm in my eyes
それな、あの姉御はワイの目には絶対に悪く映らんわwww2ちゃん
MakeMineMarvel_
honestly the writing in this show has been pretty top notch, like sooooo many times something has happened where i the viewer asked wait what up with that thing that just happened and then they answer it a couple episodes later haha
正直、この作品の脚本はかなり高水準だと思うんだよな。視聴者である俺が「待って、今の展開どういうこと?」って疑問に思うことが何度もあって、それが数話後にちゃんと回収されるんだよ。制作陣が計算して伏線を張ってるのがよく分かる。考察くん
LeonKevlar
原文
You really can't blame Fake Asa for her reaction to the real Asa considering what they did to the Village. She has no reason to believe Asa won't hurt Azami. As for the rest of the episode, all I can say is fuck that cliffhanger! Not gonna lie, that fight against Ivan was annoying. Dera should've shot him when he had the chance. Like, I know Dera made it clear that Ivan might die if he shoots, but it's either that or Ivan escapes which I assume is what's gonna happen next episode. >_
偽アサが本物のアサに敵意を持つのは無理もないよね。村であれだけのことをされたんだから、アサがアザミを傷つけないと信じる理由なんてないし。で、他はもう……あのクリフハンガーはマジで酷い!正直言って、イワンとの戦いはイライラしたよ。デラはチャンスがあった時に撃つべきだったじゃん。撃てばイワンが死ぬかもしれないってデラ自身が言ってたのは分かるけど、でも撃たないなら逃げられるだけだし、多分次回はそうなるんだろうな。>_普通くん
Ikari_21
I’m still waiting to see what dera can really do. That first episode and when he went to the kagamori mansion unarmed made me think he was some secret force to be reckoned with, but he’s pretty much just a more capable fighter than other humans. I’m kinda getting disappointed lol although that may be my own fault for setting expectations before even knowing about him.
デラの本気まだ見たいンゴね…初回と無手で加賀森邸に乗り込んだ時は「こいつ只者じゃねーわ」って思ったのに、実際は人間の中じゃ強い程度やんけ。ちょっと期待外れやわwwwまあ勝手に期待してたワイが悪いんやけどな2ちゃん
spubbbba
You really can't blame Fake Asa for her reaction to the real Asa considering what they did to the Village. She has no reason to believe Asa won't hurt Azami. I'm still not a big fan of how the first village massacre is treated. Even in this episode Asa is yelling at the demon about killing more of the villagers and it's treated as a gag.
偽アサが本物のアサに疑いの目を向けるのは無理もないよね。村でやらかしたことを考えれば、アサがアザミを傷つけない保証なんてどこにもないし。ただ、最初の村の虐殺が軽く扱われてるのはまだ気になるな。今回もアサが悪魔に村人を殺すなって怒鳴ってるのがギャグ扱いされてるし。普通くん
SilkenPilgrim
The village that wants to take over the world? Yeah, I’m not feeling bad for them.
世界乗っ取ろうとしてる村とかさ?まじで同情できないんだけど笑ギャル
CptAustus
The village that was planning on killing you and your brother and use you to take over the world? Fuck them.
お前と兄貴を殺して世界を乗っ取ろうとしてた村のことか? くそくらえだな。普通くん
tehdannydarko
Dera stuck to that "I'll shoot to save your life or at your direction" claim, for better or worse.
デラ、あの「お前の命を救うため、またはお前の指示で撃つ」って主張に最後まで固執し続けたんやな。良くも悪くもやわ。2ちゃん
AlexxxandreS
Amazing episode but I just feel like Ivan is too good, dodging left and right and Yuru on the long range, like come on bro... Not even a few taps or scratches, just makes it feel like he's a good playing around... Also, Dera could definitely try a shot on his legs, won't kill him but will definitely make him stop...
すごいエピソードだったけど、イヴァン強すぎじゃない?左右に避けてユルの遠距離攻撃もかわすって、ちょっとやりすぎだろ…タップやかすり傷すらないって、遊んでるようにしか見えないわ。あとデラは足狙って撃てばいいのに、殺しはしないけど動き止められるだろ。普通くん
Code_X07
With someone moving that fast, it is extremely hard to shoot on non-lethal spots, plus with a sniper, even a shot to the leg can be highly lethal 'cause of blood loss
あれだけの速さで動かれたら非致死箇所に撃つのは至難のワザやろ、しかもスナイパーやったら脚撃っただけでも出血多量で死にうるンゴwww2ちゃん
AlexxxandreS
Which is fair, but he needs to dodge the arrows plus 2 other meele fighters, and after dodging them he still needs to look out for more arrows and also during both attacking him. To be able to not get a scratch or a punch, to me just feels too much op
それは公平だけど、彼は矢を避けつつ他の近接戦闘者2人も相手にしなきゃいけないんだよ。しかも矢を避けた後も、さらに矢に注意しつつ、2人が攻撃してくる中で動かないといけない。一撃も食らわずに無傷でいるってのは、さすがに強すぎる気がするな。普通くん
flashmozzg
I feel like his demon blades help him with fighting/deflecting in addition to the insane skill he has.
彼の悪魔の刃、やばくない!?あの尋常じゃないスキルに加えて戦闘や防御でもめっちゃ頼りになるんだけど!まじで最強じゃん!ギャル
Ikari_21
When Yuru shot his first arrow, one of the swords reacted before Ivan did, so I’m wondering if you’re right and the blades* do help sense the attacks first and almost lead him in a way away from said attacks. Daemons’ main priority is protecting their master after all.
ユルが最初の矢を放った時、イワンより先に剣の一本が反応してたんだよね。だから、君の言う通り、あの刃たちが攻撃を先に察知して、ほとんど導くみたいに避けさせてるんじゃないかなって思う。悪魔の最優先事項は主人を守ることだしね。普通くん
SouzaTri
His Deamons have been shown to be capable of moving Ivan themselves as well. When fake Asa got ahold of his leg one of the swords stabbed his leg to release him which Ivan was not anticapating.
ワイの悪魔(デーモン)って本人動かせるんかよwww 偽アサに足掴まれた時、剣が勝手に足刺して解放してくれたやん イワンも予想外やったみたいやし草2ちゃん
okiknow2004
The daemon swords have some degree of control. Like during the Higashi village raid, Shokyo reacted to fake-Asa's attack and stabbed it along with Ivan leg. This episode seems like they are the one reacting to Yuru's arrow too
デーモンソードにはある程度の制御能力があるみたいだね。東村襲撃の時も、ショウキョウが偽アサの攻撃に反応してイワンの脚ごと刺してたし。今回のエピソードでも、ユルの矢に反応してるのは彼らみたいだね。普通くん
Code_X07
That is true, the only way that can be explained is he has some physical amp from his Daemons or smth, which is not ouside the realm of possibilities lol
確かにそれなッ!彼がデーモンとかから物理的な強化受けてるって説明しかないわ。あり得ない話じゃないしな笑感情くん
MakeMineMarvel_
yeah like not sure what that desperation move was at the end, but looks like he "fed" the swords with his blood and its giving him a momentary power boost of some kind
うーん、最後のあの必死な動きはよくわかんなかったけど、血を刀に「与えて」一時的にパワーアップしてるっぽいね普通くん
Jacob-C
I think he injected himself with Left’s power. We already know that his swords can connect spaces over distances, so one sword being stuck in Left’s chest while the other is cutting Ivan’s neck, right as he is getting a power-up, seems to indicate that he is stealing her powers or something.
ワイ的には、左の力を自分に注入したんやと思うンゴ。既に彼の剣が距離を超えて空間を繋げられることは分かってるやろ。つまり、片方の剣が左の胸に刺さったまま、もう片方がイワンの首を斬ってる状況で、ちょうどパワーアップしてるってのは、彼女の力を盗んでる可能性が高いわ。ガチでそれしか考えられへんわwww2ちゃん
MakeMineMarvel_
That’ll be neat
それ、絶対面白くなるやつじゃん!楽しみすぎるッ!感情くん
fieew
原文
I think its primarily because left and right werent trying to kill him to get info out of him. Once the others showed up he was clearly being dogpiled on and started losing. Hence why he tried to goad Yuru. On top of that I can buy him fighting back so well cause hes used to it. Left and right have really only started moving again after 100s of years as stone. Plus left and right likely aren't used to anything being able to cut them due to them being stone. I get where you're coming from. But I feel theres enough in Ivan's corner that him being this good doesnt feel too out of place imo.
左と右は情報を引き出そうと彼を殺そうとはしていなかったからだと思う。他の連中が現れてからは明らかに袋叩きにされて負け始めてたし、だからユルを挑発しようとしたんだろう。それに、彼があれだけ戦えるのは慣れてるからだって納得できる。左と右は石になってから数百年ぶりに動き出したばかりだし、石だから切れるものに対しても慣れてないだろうしね。君の言いたいことは分かるけど、イワンの事情を考慮すれば、彼がこれだけ強いのもそこまで違和感ないと思うよ。普通くん
NeoTagAtg
原文
Except he didn't start to lose that's my main problem with this fight dude get an arrow one to the leg yet the end of the episode is him out speeding the creatures made of stone and lighting and the God View Archer and the God view Sniper. We know he does because the preview for the next episode show him in the woods meaning he gets away from the warehouse district he's in. This one character kind of killed this arc for me to be honestly he's that one character in a story that even though other have power or are strong feels like he's from a different plane of existence.
負け始めてないのが一番の問題やろ。矢一発脚に食らったのに、話の終わりには石と雷でできた化け物やら神視点の弓使いやら狙撃手やらをぶっちぎってるんやぞ。次回予告で森におるってことは倉庫街から逃げ切っとるやん。このキャラのおかげでこのアーク冷めたわ。正直、他のキャラがどんなに強くても別次元から来たみたいに感じる、そういうキャラや。2ちゃん
WiqidBritt
The swords also move on their own, as evidenced by one of them stabbing him in the leg while he was in the village. It's not purely his own skill that lets him fight so well.
刀も勝手に動いてるみたいだね。村にいた時、足を刺されたのがその証拠だと思う。彼の戦い方が上手いのは、純粋に自分の実力だけじゃないってことだね。普通くん
MakeMineMarvel_
the swords also have lots of eyeballs which is supposed to represent that theyre almost omniscient in their zone of effect. like how they can see in the darkness when in the warehouse fight
刀にもめっちゃ目玉付いてるやん、あれは効果範囲内ならほぼ全知やぞって意味らしいで。倉庫での戦闘みたいに暗闇でも見えるってことやな。2ちゃん
HornedTurtle1212
I was expecting him to use the swords to teleport himself to an emergency getaway location.
剣で緊急脱出用の場所にテレポートするのかと思ってたよ。普通くん
totokekedile
原文
Keep in mind that it's not just Ivan. In an earlier scene we saw one of his swords stab him in the leg against his will, so they're capable of contributing to the fight. They could be tweaking the arcs and angles of his swings to make him inhumanly consistent, they could be adding force to his swings to make him inhumanly fast, they could be altering the momentum of his swings in ways impossible for a regular swordsman, etc.
イワンだけの問題ちゃうで。前のシーンで剣が勝手に動いて足刺したやん。つまり剣も戦闘に参加できるっちゅうことや。剣の軌道や角度を微調整して人間離れした正確性出したり、振りに力を加えて異常な速さ出したり、普通の剣士には不可能な勢いの変化つけたり…色々できるんやろな。2ちゃん
Ikari_21
Agree about the swords aiding Ivan. In this ep when Yuru shot his first arrow, one of the swords reacted before Ivan did and protected him. I’d wager they help sense where the attacks are coming from/aiming for and help him react and evade them.
イヴァンに剣が加勢してるのは同意だね。今回の話でユルが最初の矢を放った時、イヴァンが反応する前に剣の1本が動いて彼を守ってた。あの剣たちは攻撃がどこから来るか/どこを狙ってるかを感知して、イヴァンの反応や回避を助けてるんじゃないかな。普通くん
Thomas_JCG
Getting shot by a .50 in the leg will very easily kill you from shock, that rifle is meant for shooting through armored vehicles, dude.
.50を脚に食らったらショック死余裕やろwww あれ装甲車ぶち抜くための銃やぞ、お前マジで言うてるんか?www2ちゃん
Thomas_JCG
You understood exactly what I'm talking about, don't try to act smart.
わかってるくせに、賢そうに振る舞わないでくれる?ムカつくわ!感情くん
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
原文
It's kinda sad that Fake Asa have put up the act for so long that she seems to genuinely consider Yuru as her brother, judging from the way she calls him. It looks like Asa's Ani-sama sensor is as sharp as ever. At this rate, they don't need the complicated tracking that the Kagemoris usually employ. Asa is good enough for the job😆. Yuru and Danji's little fight was so heartwarming to see. Their friendship went through the gutter, but a bond forged for so many years is a tough one to break. It may take a while but it seems reconciliation is up in the air for the both of them. God, Yuru shooting in front of the full moon not only makes for a sick visual but is also proven to be practical since it messes with Pervman's vision. Yuru once again shows us his great battle IQ. The cliffhanger was criminal😭 but the scene of Yuru's temper going dangerously high only for him to regain control upon Asa's words...it looks like he's come for care for her more than he admits.
偽アサが長い間演じ続けたせいで、本当にユルを兄だと思ってるみたいな呼び方してるのがちょっと切ないな。アサの兄センサーは相変わらず鋭いみたいだし、この調子なら影守が使うような複雑な追跡装置なんて必要ないよ。アサだけで十分すぎる😆。ユルとダンジの小競り合いはほんと心温まる光景だったな。友情はどん底まで落ちたけど、長年かけて築いた絆はそう簡単に壊れないよね。時間はかかるかもしれないけど、二人の和解はありそうだな。満月の前で射撃するユルは絵になるだけじゃなく、パーブマンの視界を妨げる実用的な戦術でもあるって証明されたし。ユルはまた戦闘IQの高さを見せてくれたな。引きは罪すぎる😭 でもユルの怒りが危険なレベルまで高まっても、アサの言葉で平静を取り戻すあの場面……彼は自分が認める以上に彼女を気にかけてるんだろうな。普通くん
fieew
原文
she seems to genuinely consider Yuru as her brother, judging from the way she calls him. This is what im most excited to learn about right now. There are clearly circumstances that we dont know about. Cause Danji and (fake) Asa clearly care about Yuru. (Real) Asa also likely saw that as well. Hence why she told fake Asa not to lie to Yuru anymore. I really want to know more about the village and how things ended up this way. Also why Danji and Asa lied for so long. Also more about Danji's "mom" cause she was mentioned a bit back as pivotal in all this.
ワイ的には、彼女がユルを本気で弟だと思っとるんやな、呼び方からして。今一番気になるのはそこやわ。明らかに知らん事情があるやろ。ダンジと偽アサはユルをガチで大事にしとるし、本物のアサもそれに気づいとったんやろな。だから偽アサに「もうユルに嘘つくな」言うたんやろうし。村の事情と、なんでこうなったのかもっと知りたいンゴ。あとダンジとアサがなんで長い間嘘ついとったのかもな。ダンジの「母ちゃん」も少し前に重要人物として出てきたし、そこも気になるわ。2ちゃん
RilakkumaSG
Yes, I think there are still so many mysteries left unexplained. Wonder if we will get some explanation after the fight (hopefully it ends next episode...)
確かに謎はまだまだ大量に残ってるよな…。今回の戦いが終わった後に説明あるのかな?(願わくば次回で終わってほしいけど…)感情くん
Googleflax
It's really not a big deal in the overall quality of the show, but I do hope Asa's bro-con bit gets toned down a little as the series progresses. It's cute in small doses, but it does seem to take up most of her dialogue. I'd personally like to see a bit more bad-ass Asa like in Episode 1.
アサのブラコン描写、シリーズ全体の質的には大した問題やないけど、進行につれて少し控えめにしてほしいわ。少量なら可愛いんやけど、会話の大半を占めてる感あるし。個人的には第1話みたいなカッコいいアサをもっと見たいンゴwww2ちゃん
Zxcvbnm11592
I get what you're saying and I do feel the same sometimes but whenever I remember she had no idea if he was alive for almost a decade I can kinda give it a pass.
言いたいことは分かるし、自分もたまにそう感じるよ。でも、彼女がほぼ10年間彼が生きてるかどうか分からなかったって思うと、まあ許せるかなって思うんだよね。普通くん
OldInstruction5368
原文
They were really hanging the lampshade, too. Last episode, people were complaining about anyone who pointed out how overdone and one-note Asa was... "How dare fans think about the show, and question it! Just shut your brain off and blindly trust in the FMA author!" And then this episode lampshades that with an in-universe character claiming they couldn't tell the difference between the supposedly flanderized Asa and OG Asa. Is the 'joke' still funny if it's true? Is the author excused from overdoing the bro-con bit if they make fun of themselves for it?
前回、視聴者がアサのワンパターンさを指摘すると「FMA作者を信じろ、脳を止めろ」と叩かれてたのに、今回の話で作中キャラが「アサと元祖アサの違いが分からない」って言い出すのは、まさにランプシェードを掲げる展開だよな。この「冗談」が事実ならまだ面白いのか? 作者がブラコン描写をやり過ぎたのを自虐で誤魔化せば免罪されるのか? 考察すると、これは作者の自覚的な遊びなのか、単なる開き直りなのか、判断が分かれるところだ。考察くん
Zeph-Shoir
Even with FMA comedy was consistently one of its weak points, Arakawa has honestly gotten much better with it here overall but I could use a rest from the bro bit.
FMAでもコメディは確かに弱点だったけど、荒川先生は今回かなり上手くなってると思う!でもブロ役のネタは正直ちょっと休憩させてほしい…!感情くん
OldInstruction5368
Asa seriously needs more depth to her character other than "I am creepily attached to my brother in a way that is the furthest thing from wholesome and healthy!" Not least of which because it's just not funny.
アサはキャラに深みをもっとつけないとダメだと思う。「兄に病的に執着してて、健康的とは程遠い関係」って設定だけじゃさすがに薄いし、何より笑えないんだよね。普通くん
gamria
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For my part, 'twas not blind trust but educated guess. Arakawa-sensei has shown before with FMA that she plans thoroughly ahead and is calculative about which characters should be present in what place for the greatest fireworks, and with Silver Spoon she's shown she can write plenty of grounded family drama with normal relationships too, siblings or otherwise. Would someone as foresighted as she is, who knows what hits for the audience, who isn't in desperate need for popularity and sales after 4 other successful series (that all got adaptations no less), who now has to be more efficient because of TWO ongoing serialisations and tending to her family, really go for something as lame as bro-con behaviour for no good reason? For cheap appeal? Given the overall results, I say it was calculated: the early stage heavier dosage of this behaviour is to box-in first timer expectations surrounding Asa's character, only to culminate in the switcharoo and then steadily subvert it, tone it down and reveal more layers to her. In fact, the whole early stage has always made me think that Arakawa studied the current mindscape of the modern audience, what tropes archetypes and stereotypes tends to run in their heads now, then play to those expectations at the surface level before revealing what the real essence underneath she wants to go for actually is.
私の見解としては、それは盲目的な信頼ではなく、経験に基づく推測だ。荒川先生は『鋼の錬金術師』で、緻密に計画を練り、どのキャラクターをどの場面に配置すれば最大の盛り上がりを生むかを計算し尽くすことを証明してきた。『銀の匙』では、普通の家族関係や兄弟姉妹のドラマを地に足のついた形で描けることも示している。これほど先見の明があり、観客に響く要素を熟知し、4作もの成功作(しかも全て映像化済み)で人気や売上に焦る必要もなく、現在は2本同時連載と家庭の両立で効率化が求められる彼女が、理由もなく安っぽいブラコン描写に走るだろうか?安易な人気稼ぎのために?全体の結果を見る限り、これは計算済みだったと思われる。初期段階でその描写を濃く出すのは、アーサというキャラに対する初見の読者の期待を固定化し、その後でガラリと裏切り、徐々にそれを覆してトーンダウンさせ、彼女の多面的な内面を暴いていくための布石だ。実際、初期の展開全体から、荒川先生は現代の読者の心理傾向、今彼らの頭の中に流れている典型的なキャラクター像やステレオタイプを研究し、表面上はその期待に応えつつ、その下に本当に描きたい本質を隠しているように思えてならない。考察くん