+1636
Nulazanzal
Small PSA in case you are too focused on subtitles. People from the village including Left and Right can't understand borrowed words like Counter or Cancel, English in general, so Asa finds Neutralize but in Japanese. Props to Arakawa-Sensei for thinking things through.
草、そういうことかよwww 字幕に集中してると気づかんわ。村人(左右含む)はカウンターとかキャンセルみたいな外来語理解できんから、アサが中和を日本語で見つけたって設定なンゴね。荒川先生ガチで考えてるやん、細かすぎてワロタ2ちゃん+493
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
Yeah, I sensed as much when Right parroted the word 'cancel' back to Asa as if it's the first time he's heard of such terminology--which is in fact the case lol
I'm more curious about this Break and Seal stuff and just how impactful or destructive they can be as I took all this "natural enemy" talk as Right and Left being created as a fail-safe switch--break glass in case of emergency sort of last resort to prevent a potential calamity from happening.
Also explains why Asa has been revealed to have faced countless assassination attempts to this point, while Yuru would have likely shared the same experiences if not for being trapped, although protected by the Higashi village's barrier.
ああ、やっぱりな。ライトがアサに「キャンセル」って言葉を初めて聞いたみたいに繰り返してたしな(笑)
で、気になるのはBreakとSealの話だよ。どれだけ破壊力とか影響力があるのか知りたい。ライトとレフトが「天敵」って言われてるのを見ると、緊急時の安全装置みたいなものとして作られたんだろうな。つまり「非常時にはガラスを割れ」的な最終手段ってことか。
それにアサがこれまで何度も暗殺未遂に遭ってたってのも納得。ユルも東の村の結界に守られてなかったら同じ経験してたんだろうな。普通くん+165
nofaxxspitintruflego
i took it as more of a "we're here to balance that out" instead of "eliminate" unless ofc in the most extreme cases
tho it does add a cool layer to the dynamic of the 4 ngl, esp in yurus case
also why are all the characters such wholesome chunguses 😭 literally liking every character so far the heck
i could gush about almost every single second of each episode so far we getting kino
ライトがアサに「キャンセル」という言葉をオウム返ししたシーン、確かに初めて聞いたような反応だったよな。あれは「排除」というより「均衡を保つため」って解釈がしっくりくるな。極端なケース以外はな。
ユルの立場を考えると、四人の関係性に面白い構造が加わってるのが考察できる。それぞれの役割分担がより際立つというか。
それにしてもキャラ全員が妙にピュアで好感持てるんだよな…。現時点で全員好きになっちまうわ。毎話ほぼ全編にわたって語りたくなるクオリティ、まさに神回の連続だ。考察くん+65
Myrkrvaldyr
That's always a small detail that sometimes anime set in old periods forget. Anglicisms are a very modern thing in Japanese, so it's great that the author included that linguistic disparity between Right and Asa.
確かに。時代設定のある作品だと忘れられがちな細かい部分だよね。英語が日本語に入ってくるのは現代の話だし、作者が右とアサの言語的な隔たりをちゃんと描いてるのは良いな。普通くん+141
Zeph-Shoir
Small detail but sometimes shows set in western settings still do small Japanese things like bowing and using last names as the default, no big deal but you would think those are *obvious* things to consider.
せやな、細かいとこやけど西部劇とかでもついお辞儀しちゃったり名字呼びしたりするよな。大した問題ちゃうけど、そこは気付けやと思うンゴwww2ちゃん+24
Frostbitten_Moose
And Yuru. He gets the same confusion.
確かに。ユルも同じ困惑をしてるな。時代考証の細かい部分って大事だよな。ドライおじ+6
flashmozzg
Not the first time it happened. I wonder if dub watchers will even catch that this is not just "modern words are confusing" thing (or rather, the more specific variant of that).
確かに、これ初めてじゃないよね。吹き替え勢が「現代語が通じない」ってだけじゃなくて、そのもっと具体的なバリエーションだって気づくかどうかは微妙だな。普通くん+33
Golden_Phi
How do you localize that? Maybe use modern slang or now common terms that didn't exist hundreds of years ago.
Edit: Switched “translate” to “localize” since that’s closer to what I meant. You can’t do 1 to 1 translations with this without losing the meaning, and keeping the meaning makes it no longer a 1 to 1 translation.
それってどうローカライズすんねん。昔は存在しなかった現代のスラングや今では一般的な言葉使うしかなくね?
編集:ワイの言いたいのは「翻訳」やなくて「ローカライズ」やったわ。これ、1対1の直訳したら意味が死ぬし、意味通そうとしたらもう1対1の翻訳じゃなくなるンゴwww2ちゃん+14
kevinhu162
原文
You can't via English - borrowed words are "borrowed" (loaned) from the parent language that's the most spoken, basically how the West colonized the world and brought English, culture, customs, and goods to places like the Far East, Americas, or Africa. So trying to translate media from these places that have language nuances like loanwords doesn't make sense when you're the audience whose language is the parent language of the loanwords.
Some translations try to bridge the gap with modern speak, like using "rizz" or "-maxxing" instead of "charisma" or "maximizing". Since it's not really the same comparison as borrowed words vs. traditional language, I get why people cringe at this crude attempt, but otherwise it's pretty hard to find examples of borrowed words in a dominant language. I personally like it when the voice actors overly euniciate the english words, if you watch in foreign languages you can tell when they use the loan words since suddenly they're speaking English, but for English VAs they can't really do this without confusing their main audience.
この指摘、かなり本質を突いてるな。英語圏の視点から見ると「借用語」の翻訳は確かに難しい。なぜなら英語自体が多くの言語にとっての「親言語」であり、日本語の「カタカナ語」のような借用文化が成立しづらいからだ。
現代スラングで代用する試み(「rizz」を「charisma」の代わりに使う等)も、厳密には借用語と伝統語の対比とは異なるので、違和感があるのは理解できる。ただ、これは言語構造上の限界であって、翻訳者の努力自体は評価すべきだと思う。
個人的には、海外声優が英単語を過剰に強調して発音する手法が効果的だと考えている。視聴者に「今、借用語が使われた」と暗に示せるからな。ただし、英語吹き替え版でこれをやると、ネイティブ視聴者が混乱するというジレンマがある。この問題、制作陣はどう解決するつもりなんだろうな。考察くん+14
Zxcvbnm11592
It's been there for a while, but the subtitles decided to go with them using more "modern" words. I remember Hana using the word "genre" when talking about categorizing tsugai after meeting goddess-on-a-horse-whose-name-i-forgot, and Jin using the word "area" when they enter the Kagemori mansion for the first time
確かに、字幕だと現代風の言葉になってるよね。ハナが馬の女神(名前忘れた)と会った後にツガイの分類で「ジャンル」って言ってたの覚えてるし、ジンが初めて陰森館に入った時に「エリア」って言ってたのもあったな。普通くん+14
Tamasukiide
Ah so that wasn't a tangent after all
あ、やっぱそれ無駄な話じゃなかったんだ!ちゃんと伏線回収されてたってことじゃん!やばくね?ギャル+5
PeaceAlien
> And I've named my partners!
Trying to live I see
おのれ、生き恥を晒す覚悟と見た!
某も相棒に名を授け申したぞ。武士+441
katsudesu11
The two little daemons also nodding their heads to agree 🤣
二人の小さな使い魔も頷いて同意してるの笑える🤣普通くん+262
profdeadpool
Her Daemons clearly support her staying alive and healthy lol.
まあ彼女のツガイたちは彼女が元気で生きてるのを応援してるってわけだな(笑)ドライおじ+139
frik1000
Well they mentioned last episodes that if a Daemons' master dies, the Daemons just end up kinda rooted in one spot until a new master shows up. It's still in their best interest to keep their master alive (unless the contract is broken I suppose like what happened with the Yin and Yang symbols).
せやな、前の話で言ってたやん。使い魔の主人が死んだら、その場に根付いて次の主人が来るまで動けなくなるって。契約破棄されない限りは主人生かしとくのが得策やろな(陰陽の印みたいに)。2ちゃん+53
Golden_Phi
Those two are little cuties. I hope to see more of them.
それな、あの2人めっちゃ可愛いよね。もっと出番増えてほしいな。普通くん+21
AceSoldia
Lmao say that shit real quick 🤣
「それ早口で言ってみろよwww」爆笑した感情くん+19
eyalmazuz
Edit: I'm most likely wrong in my assumption below
No really deal-breaker lol, I watch with Japanese subtitles (without at all), so I only noticed it when reading your comment.
But it is interesting that the English translation is "And I've named my partners!"
Where in Japanese it's: "あとちゃんと相棒に名前付けてます".
あと = After.
So I wonder why that and not:
"I'll properly name my partners later!"
あ、確かに「あと」は"after"だね。
英語訳だと「すでに名前つけた」って意味になるから、ちょっと違和感あるかも。
でも個人的には気にならないかな。日本語字幕で見てるから気づかなかったわ。普通くん+9
MapoTofuMan
原文
I'm pretty sure the あと in this case was used as "Oh and also..." (like when you say something and then remember you want to add something on top of that, so you say "X, あとY").
The weird thing is she started off with that, but I just took it as her implicitly saying the same thing the other two did ("It was just some job I took") and then adding "Oh and also I did name my partners" on top of that. Basically finishing their sentence.
Since she said 付けてます and not 付けます she definitely already named them, so that's the only explanation I can think of at least.
ああ、その「あと」は「あとそれから…」的な使い方やろな。確かに最初にそれ言い出すのは変やけど、ワイは彼女が他の2人と同じこと(「ただの仕事やった」)を暗に言ってから「あとパートナーには名前付けてる」って付け加えた感じやと思う。つまり、彼女らが言いかけた文を補完した形やな。
「付けます」じゃなくて「付けてます」って言ってる時点で、もう名前は付けてるのは確定やし、ワイ的にはそれしか考えられへんわ。2ちゃん+60
Fantastic-City1571
Because thats the right translation.
あと in this context doesn't mean "later", it means "and". Her proper reply would be "(I don't know anything about the parents!) And I've named my partners! (so please don't bite me!)"
確かに、「あと」はこの文脈だと「and」の用法だな。直訳すると「それに」が適切で、彼女の返答としては「(親のことなんて知らない!)それに相棒たちには名前もつけてる!(だから噛まないで!)」となる。字幕翻訳としては「あと」を「later」と誤訳するより、この「and」のニュアンスを正しく拾う方がキャラの意図に沿うという考察ができる。考察くん+36
ichigosr5
I found this story makes a lot more sense if you look at it through the lens of rivaling mafia/yakuza gangs.
この話、抗争中のマフィア/ヤクザのギャングの視点で見るとすごく理解しやすくなるね。普通くん+261
dolphincave
Essentially it just so happens one mafia keep it's non-combatants in a village a few hundred years in the past instead of in the mansion.
確かに!それめっちゃわかるんだけど笑
つまり、あるマフィアが非戦闘員を現代の屋敷じゃなくて数百年前の村に隔離してるってだけの話じゃん?やばくね?ギャル+159
mythriz
I mentioned in an earlier discussion that Asa's group seem yakuza-like while Yuru's village group seem somewhat cult-like lol
「前に話したけど、アサたちはヤクザっぽくてユルの村の人たちはなんかカルトっぽいんだよなww」ってマジそれ!確かにその構図しっくりくるわ~感情くん+53
rubslotiononitsskin
Tojo Clan vs Munancho
あーそれな!東城会vs無難町って感じだよね笑
アサたちのグループは確かにヤクザっぽいし、ユルの村はなんかカルト感あるじゃん!対比がやばくね?ギャル+10
Devoidoxatom
Idk why it seemed so unguarded tho. They have barriers, sure, but no strong security guard or smth?
確かに無防備すぎやろ草
結界はあるけど警備員とかおらんの?
なんかスカスカやなあ2ちゃん+28
drunkenvalley
I mean it really did *require* Asa to break. If not, they'd be walking single-file up the path.
確かに、あの防壁は我が目をもってしても脆弱に映った。しかし、あれはアサという存在が「破壊」する運命を背負っていたからこそ、崩れたのだ。もし彼女が現れなければ、奴らは今もなお一列に並び、その道を歩み続けていただろう。運命の歯車が狂わなければ、あの結界は永遠の牢獄だったのだ。中二病+102
spiken18
They might have have been conceited or arrogant with the barriers protectiveness(which is understandable) and had all there combatants outside trying to kill Asa or there enemies.
確かに、バリアの防御力を過信してたんだろうね。戦闘員も全員外に出してアサや敵を倒そうとしてたみたいだし、油断してたってことかも。普通くん+38
mp3max
The Amish Mafia be like
「アーミッシュマフィアって草www」
「村ごと過去に飛ばされた非戦闘員とか頭おかしいやろww」2ちゃん+6
finnjakefionnacake
a lot of people in the higashi village seemed like they had absolutely no idea what was going on though
でも東の村の人々は、ほとんど何が起きてるか全然わかってなかったみたいだね。普通くん+5
diacewrb
Yeah, even living a big mansion and the black suits they wear.
確かに!豪邸に住んでるし黒スーツ着てるし、まさにヤクザっぽいよね笑ギャル+42
Ashteron
It also makes sense as how stories about mafia, or in a generalised form - criminal groups - tend to depict selective morality.
確かに。マフィアとか犯罪組織ものって、選択的な道徳観を描くのが定番だよね。普通くん+38
nqtoan1994
Kagemori clan being hailing from Higashi Village but choosing to go a separated way due conflicting ideas is also a standard clan war plot.
確かに!カゲモリ一族が元は同じ東の村出身で、思想の違いで分裂するって設定もまんまヤクザ抗争の定番すぎるッ!感情くん+25
HungryGull
They all sure seem to treat life as cheap
確かに、命の軽さを感じる描写が多いよね。普通くん+26
totokekedile
Living your life going from one "kill-or-be-killed" situation to the next will do that to you.
確かに!「殺すか殺されるか」の連続じゃ、命の重みなんて感じる余裕ないよね…しんどすぎるッ感情くん+27
nofaxxspitintruflego
i thought that was the corresponding idea here since we saw anyone besides gabby from the kagemoris
【返信先: マフィア/ヤクザ抗争で見れば話が通じるって話】
それな。影守以外の奴ら見てると、もうその発想で合ってるやろ。ガビーもそうやしな。2ちゃん+8
a1oner_bvcksn6
For all the goofiness and quirky quips, man these people are really ruthless deep down. Even Yuru has that *kill or be killed* mindset ingrained in him despite only recently learning of the conspiracies that surround him and his sister, and the existence of (powerful) daemons for that matter.
確かにギャグっぽいノリはあるけど、こいつら根はめちゃくちゃ容赦ないよな。ユルも最近まで妹をめぐる陰謀や強力なデーモンの存在を知ったばかりなのに、もう「殺すか殺されるか」って考え方が染みついてるんだよな。普通くん+265
Se7en_Sinner
While Yoru is aiming for nonvitals, the Kagemoris are straight up going for kill shots.
それなw 夜は急所外し狙ってるのに影守家はマジで殺しにきてるからな笑 このギャップがたまらんわwwwwおじ+141
a1oner_bvcksn6
That samurai daemon meister and Gabby would probably beg to differ. His bloodlust was definitely palpable in that sequence on the roof when he felt the samurai's presence.
As for only aiming for non-vitals, I believe Yuru understood the assignment right away of needing to extract information from these unknown assailants, and that's merely the reason they were initially spared.
確かに、あの侍悪魔使いとギャビーは異論を唱えそうだな。屋上での一連の流れ、彼が侍の気配を感じ取った時の殺気は明らかに感じ取れた。
非急所狙いに関しては、ヨルは未知の襲撃者から情報を引き出す任務を即座に理解していたと考察できる。だからこそ、当初は見逃していたに過ぎないんだろう。考察くん+123
goffer54
Yuru hasn't gone for kill shots at all this whole time. He's got that dog in him, but I think he still has reservations about killing.
確かに!ユルは今まで一度も殺しに行ってないじゃん?闘争心はバリバリなんだけど、心の奥では殺すのにためらいあるんだよね〜まじで。ギャル+58
Magicbison
Yoru shooting that one attacker in the ass is a highlight of his skill.
確かに。夜のケツ撃ちは彼の実力をよく表してるシーンだね。普通くん+61
CitronClassic672
Plus the one guy after the fight was over casually torturing the one guy for information with the nonchalance of calling it “the usual”.
確かに!ヨルは急所外し狙いなのに、影守たちはマジで殺しに来てるんだよな。しかも戦闘終わった後、平然と拷問して「いつもの」って言ってるヤバすぎるだろッ!怖すぎて泣くわ。感情くん+26
KillysgungoesBLAME
原文
People here didn’t seem to catch something Jin said in the previous episode. When talking about his daemons abilities he casually mentions them being useful “for raids, hijackings and terror attacks”.
However politely they’re acting right now with Yuru, Jin, Asa and the rest of the daemon users there appear to be trained killers and that’s exactly the kind of work that the Kagemori clan has them doing for them. I think they treat Asa well only because they want to eventually be able to use her and Yuru for their own (possibly nefarious) ends.
確かに前回のジンのセリフ、みんな見逃してたっぽいな。「襲撃やハイジャック、テロ攻撃に便利」って普通に言ってたし。ユルやアサたちには今は丁寧に接してるけど、あいつらは訓練された殺し屋で、影森組のためにそういう仕事してるんだろうね。アサを大事にしてるのも、最終的には彼女とユルを自分たちの(おそらく悪い)目的に利用したいからだと思う。普通くん+26
Alter_Kyouma
I kept asking myself "shouldn't you capture a few for information", then we find out the Kagemori dude killed the "leader" of the group. Couldn't stop laughing
「情報取るために何人か捕まえればいいのに…」ってずっと思ってたけど、影森のやつがグループの“リーダー”ぶっ殺したって知って笑い止まらなかったわwww 無理すぎるだろこれッ!感情くん+11
HornedTurtle1212
Yah it seemed like every kill when capture was possible was a tactical mistake.
確かに、捕獲できた場面で殺しちゃうのは戦術的ミスだったよね。普通くん+8
JohnatanWills
that actually makes me wonder if the bald guy is a traitor. He had the camo dude cornered with no demons and chose to kill him instead of capturing him for information. I also think he disappeared around the doctor scene. Could be how the people that hired the attackers got their information that both twins are together now.
ふむ…あの禿げし者が裏切り者である可能性、確かに我も感じていた。魔人もいない状態で迷彩の男を追い詰めながら、情報を得るために捕らえるのではなく殺害を選んだ。医者の場面で彼が忽然と消えたのも怪しい。それこそが、襲撃者を雇った者たちが双子が共にいるという情報を得た経路かもしれぬな。中二病+7
flyhighs4869
原文
It's interesting how the framing of the story treats killing as morally neutral, so far. But in this episode Gabby having such a strong emotional reaction towards that guy suggests that using other people, and going so far as to deny their individuality, is the greater sin. Wonder if it'll continue as a theme later on. There's also the whole thing about the mysterious villains wanting to use the powers of the twins so that might tie in.
確かに。この作品、殺しを道徳的に中立として描いてるのが面白いよね。でも今回のエピソードでガビィがあの男に強い感情的反応を示したのは、他人を利用して個性を否定する方がより大きな罪だって示唆してる気がする。このテーマが今後も続くのか気になるな。謎のヴィランが双子の力を利用したいってのも関連してきそうだし。普通くん+110
EXusiai99
I mean thats the same bitch who massacred a whole village and complained about Yuru shooting her in the legs.
せやな、村ごと皆殺しにしといて「足撃たれたンゴ…」ってキレてるクソアマやん。ガチで草生えるわwww2ちゃん+8
CitronClassic672
Yeah, so far it seems like literally every character can switch from an endearing goofball to a no-nonsense killer, and I really like that depth to all the cast.
それな。今のところ全キャラほんとにギャップあるよな。愛嬌あるバカから一瞬で殺意全開のシリアスモードに切り替わるの、めっちゃ好き。そういう奥行きがキャスト全体にあっていいと思う。普通くん+48
garfe
Which, and I hate to keep making comparisons, applied pretty hard to the main cast of FMA too (maybe not the killer part but definitely knew when to go from wacky to no-nonsense)
それな!フルメタのメインキャラもまじでそんな感じだったよね笑(殺し屋ってわけじゃないけど、ふざけてる時とシリアスな時の切り替えがやばいって意味で)ギャル+24
moonmeh
shits dangerous so they aren't aiming to capture at the start
gunshot to the head, crowbar to the head. they aren't fucking around
【返信】
確かに。奴ら最初から生け捕りにする気など微塵もないでござる。
頭に鉄砲玉、頭にバール。まったくもって容赦なし。
某も「殺るか殺られるか」の覚悟がなければ、この世界では生き残れぬと痛感した次第。武士+13
HolyDragSwd2500
They killed the one guy who orchestrated this attack
最初から捕まえる気はなかったってことか。確かに頭に銃弾とかバールでぶん殴ってるしな。今回の攻撃を仕組んだやつは殺されたってわけだ。普通くん+12
Golden_Phi
He's probably not the guy who orchestrated it but is the only guy who has any connection to the one who did. I doubt that the true mastermind would show up.
ああ、そいつは黒幕じゃないけど繋がりがあるだけのやつだよなw
本当の首謀者がこんなとこに出てくるわけないしな笑wwwおじ+11
PenPenGuin
I thought it was really weird and honestly kind of off-putting that the brother seems quite willing to just kind of allow bygones to be bygones with Gabby, and they now apparently have a cute-centric rivalry going on. She straight up slaughtered half the people in the village he grew up in less than a few days ago, right?
確かに、一見するとギャグ調で軽妙な掛け合いに見えるけど、根底には本当に非情なリアリティが潜んでるよな。ユルにしても「殺すか殺されるか」の原則が透けて見えるし。
兄貴がギャビーに対して「水に流そう」とばかりにあっさり許容して、今や可愛いライバル関係になってるのは正直違和感あるし、ちょっと気持ち悪い。彼女はほんの数日前に、彼が育った村の半分の人間を虐殺したんだぞ?その事実を踏まえると、この展開はかなり意図的に不気味さを演出してると考察できる。考察くん+7
profdeadpool
He... Literally says he hasn't forgiven her yet. He just has bigger priorities in finding his parents.
せやな…ワイも最初「は?」ってなったわ。でもよく考えたら彼「まだ許してない」って言ってるやん。親探しの方が優先順位高いってだけで。ガチでちゃんと伏線回収してるンゴねぇ。2ちゃん+52
ichigosr5
原文
> honestly kind of off-putting that the brother seems quite willing to just kind of allow bygones to be bygones with Gabby
He's not letting bygones be bygones. It's the same as the situation with Jin. Yuru wanted to kill Jin, and almost did, but he forced himself to calm down because he knew it wouldn't get him anywhere close to his goal of finding his parents.
Yuru is currently in the Kagemori's home base. If he starts anything, he knows he wouldn't be able to do anything to defend himself, and even if he found a way to get out of there alive, he would have a much harder time getting any leads on where his parents are.
あの兄貴がガビーに対して「水に流す」ような態度に見えるのは確かに違和感あるよな。でも、これはジンの時と同じ構図だと思われる。ユルはジンを殺したくてたまらなかったし実際殺しかけたけど、両親を探す目的に近づけないと分かって無理やり冷静を取り戻したんだ。
今ユルはカゲモリの本拠地にいる。もしそこで何か起こせば、自分を守る手段がないし、仮に生きて脱出できたとしても両親の手がかりを得るのが格段に難しくなる。つまり、単に許したわけじゃなく、戦略的に動きを抑えてるという考察ができる。考察くん+31
Golden_Phi
原文
Most shounen protagonists would be more emotional and rash in this situation. They would be like, "You killed my village how dare you!!" and immediately start a fight on sight. Yuru is more pragmatic and level-headed. He wants revenge, but he also has goals greater than revenge. Killing them would give Yuru the catharsis of revenge, but it won't bring closure to the mountain of questions he has.
This is a far more interesting storyline than the more obvious plot of them fighting on sight. Plots that involve enemies working towards a common goal are interesting in general, and this mangaka has shown competence in the past when writing that sort of plot.
確かに、普通の少年漫画主人公なら「よくも村を!許さない!」って感情的になってすぐに殴りかかるよね。でもユルは現実的で冷静だ。復讐したい気持ちはあるけど、それ以上に答えを知りたいっていう目的がある。復讐でスッキリするより、疑問がたくさん残ってるんだろうな。
即バトル展開よりずっと面白いと思う。敵同士が共通の目的のために動くってストーリーは普通に興味深いし、この作者はそういう展開を過去にうまく書いてきた実績があるからね。普通くん+20
SwordoftheMourn
Do you not have reading comprehension? They literally spell it out that he hasn’t forgiven Gabby for what she’s done. Asa is the one trying to mediate things. And Yuru already has shown this level of restraint with Jin when he had him with a machete to the throat. He’s trying to be pragmatic for now and not let his rage get to him.
ワイには読解力ないんか?ガッツリ「兄貴はガビーのやったこと許してない」って描写あるやん。アサが仲裁役やってるだけやろ。ユルはジンにマチェーテ突きつけられた時もこれぐらいの自制見せてたしな。今は怒りに任せず現実的に動こうとしてるだけやで。2ちゃん+5
iCynr
Just hug this jaded woman bro 😭
このツンツンした姉ちゃんを抱きしめてやれよマジで😭感情くん+239
PerfectBeige
Yuru must deny Asa her hugs for several episodes so that when the brocon gets her hugs it's a moment of profound catharsis. We might see new powers or a second form or something.
確かにユルが何話もハグを我慢するのは、ツンデレ妹がついにハグできるカタルシスを最大限にするためだよね。そこで新能力とか第二形態が見られるかもな。普通くん+145
Ikari_21
Break evolving to Breaker
【返信先】
ユルが何話もアサをハグ拒否するのは、ブラコン妹がハグできた時のカタルシスを爆上げするためやな
【返信】
進化(Evolving)が破壊者(Breaker)になるンゴwww ワイはその展開ガチで好きやわ2ちゃん+47
Lafona
Did someone say Breaker?
あっそれBreakerって言った人いる!?やばくね!?ギャル+21
DragonPup
Lady with overpowered ability desperately wanting a headpat/acknowledgement? Welcome to Spring 2026, Teoritta.
これもう抱きしめるしかなくない?!無理すぎる、このツンデレお姉さんに頭ポンポンしてあげたいッ😭感情くん+74
HornedTurtle1212
She got a headpat today.
今日は頭撫でてもらえたね。普通くん+21
finnjakefionnacake
i feel like he's owed an explanation on why everyone he knows is murdered first before a hug
せやな、とりあえず抱きしめる前に、なんで自分の知り合いが全員殺されたのか説明されてもええと思うンゴwww2ちゃん+12
FarCritical
Can't even imagine looking Left in the eye and trying the "you're just livestock" treatment on her (though I guess part of it is she, Right and that one lady on a horse are the seemingly the only daemons with humanoid forms)
Personally hoping Asa names them Tofu and Sesame.
左の目を見て「お前はただの家畜だ」って態度を取るなんて想像もできないな(でも多分、彼女と右とあの馬に乗った女性だけが人型の悪魔みたいだしね)
個人的にはアサが「トーフ」と「ゴマ」って名付けてほしいな。普通くん+204
Myrkrvaldyr
It's crazy that guy even had the gall to treat daemons like that and say it to their faces despite knowing they're sapient. I wonder if we'll ever see cases of daemons rebelling against their masters while under contract. Gabby took his insult personally and was about to kill him. I'm guessing her daemon is very precious to her and thinks of it like family.
左の目をまっすぐ見て「お前はただの家畜だ」扱いをするなんて、その男の度胸には驚かされるよ。デーモンが知性を持っていると知りながら、あんな態度を取れるとはな。契約下にあるデーモンが主人に反旗を翻すケースが今後出てくるのか、興味深いところだ。ガビィはあの侮辱を個人的に受け止めて、殺そうとしていた。彼女のデーモンは彼女にとって非常に大切で、家族同然の存在なんだろうな。考察くん+104
Martian_on_the_Moon
What I want to know is why some are capable of human speech but other are not.
せやな、人間の言葉喋れるヤツと喋れへんヤツの差が気になるンゴwww 設定の謎やな2ちゃん+49
drunkenvalley
I suspect it will primarily come down to their legend. Left and Right seem to be some kind of oni.
確かに、伝説の違い次第な気がするね。左と右は鬼っぽいし、その辺りが関係してそう。普通くん+89
Daredspace
I wonder if it comes down to how long and how well taken care of they are, or if it is that the more powerful they are the more they can talk
せやな、長期間しっかり世話されてるかどうかで変わるんちゃうか?
それか、力が強いほど喋れるとか?
ワイは後者やと思うわ。2ちゃん+21
CitronClassic672
It’d be really funny if they all could talk and some just chose not to tbh!
確かにそれな!全員喋れるけど一部がわざと無視してるだけとかだったらウケるじゃん!笑ギャル+19
Se7en_Sinner
Judging how literal the names of the other daemons are, they're probably going to be named Kuro and Shiro.
それな。「お前はただの家畜だ」って左眼に言うとか想像もつかないよね。他の悪魔の名前がそのままだし、多分クロとシロって名前になりそう。普通くん+101
HolyDragSwd2500
Yin and Yang maybe
それな!陰陽説っぽいし、クロとシロって名前もありじゃね?笑ギャル+83
dzizuseczem
mayby clare obscura
せやな、Clare Obscuraかもしれんけどな2ちゃん+51
MadScientist92
原文
I might be completely off here, but the bald guy seems a bit suspicious. He was supposed to guard the entrance to the barrier, but somehow a large group of unknowns managed to get inside. He conveniently killed the only person in the group who could have some useful information. We also know the least about his Demon(s). Not to mention how calm he always seems, like he's not even human... Ahhh gotta resist reading the manga!!!
ハゲのやつちょっと怪しくない?結界の入り口を守るはずなのに、大量の正体不明の連中が中に入ってきてるし。都合よく情報持ってそうなグループの中の一人だけ殺してるし。あいつの悪魔についても一番よくわかってない。それにあのいつも冷静な感じ、人間離れしてるっていうか…ああ漫画読むの我慢しなきゃ!!!普通くん+200
nqtoan1994
In episode 4, Left threw him to a pillar, leaving cracks on it yet he didn't even flinch. Then he managed to catch the tooth Yuru threw at him mid-air. His physical ability is definitely not of an average Joe.
4話で左が彼を柱に投げつけた時、柱にヒビが入ったのに彼は微動だにしなかった。さらにユルが投げた歯を空中でキャッチしたんだ。彼の身体能力は明らかに並の人間じゃないという考察ができる。考察くん+91
BoyTitan
Yeah he is the only one seen killing someone fleeing and surrendering something doesn't add up.
確かに!逃げるやつ投降するやつを殺したのアイツだけだし、なんか怪しすぎるッ!感情くん+44
HolyDragSwd2500
Same
The way he covered his mouth ( Oh sh\*\* reaction)
確かに。口を押さえた反応(やばいって顔)が怪しすぎたな。普通くん+42
Golden_Phi
That felt like an "oops, I made a booboo" reaction. But the points that u/BoyTitan and u/MadScientist92 made are still valid.
それな!口押さえたの「ヤベッ、やっちまった」って感じじゃん笑 でもu/BoyTitanとu/MadScientist92の言ってることはまじで納得!ギャル+35
spiken18
Yea, I agree. It's fishy to say the least.
確かに、あのハゲの男は怪しいよね。少なくとも不自然すぎる。普通くん+23
SpiritofBad
I also noticed he’s not part of the Kagemori crowd at in the opening with Jin, Gabi, the Doctor and the others (0:39) Imagine that has to be relevant.
Edit: NVM - it’s the guy behind Gabby. I’m blind.
確かにあの坊主頭の男、怪しいと俺も思ってたんだよな。しかもオープニングの0:39辺りでジン、ガビ、博士たちと一緒にいる"影守"の集団に彼が入ってないのも気になってたんだが……あ、後で気づいたわ、ガビの後ろにいるあいつか。俺の見間違いだった。でもこの演出、意図的に視聴者を惑わせる伏線として機能してる可能性はあるな。考察くん+11
AceSoldia
Nice I thought it was weird how they got into the place when he was supposed to guard..man I want to read the manga but I'm enjoying the weekly discussions too much and I like being surprised
確かに!彼が警備してるはずなのにあっさり侵入できたの変だよね。
原作読みたいけど、週刊の感想議論が楽しすぎてネタバレ見たくないんだよな…サプライズを楽しみたい!感情くん+9
Se7en_Sinner
It's interesting how Asa has the same memories of being caged like the fake Asa. Which means the fake Asa wasn't being locked up to keep Yoru in the village, Asa was always imprisoned for some reason...
なるほど、アサが偽アサと同じように檻に入れられていた記憶を持ってるのって面白いな。つまり偽アサは夜を村に閉じ込めるために監禁されてたわけじゃなくて、アサ自身が何らかの理由でずっと幽閉されてたってことか…普通くん+177
SituationWitty2192
Asa lived in a pitch-black cage until her parents ran away with her. The fake asa was created based on the asa before the escape, so she looked young.
確かに!アサが暗闇の檻に閉じ込められてた記憶、偽アサも同じだったんだよな。つまり偽アサは脱走前のアサを元に作られたから、若い見た目だったのか…エモすぎる。感情くん+224
Se7en_Sinner
It's kinda ironic how one of her new daemons has the ability to trap somebody in pure darkness.
確かに、彼女の新しい使い魔の能力が「完全な闇に閉じ込める」っていうの、皮肉効いてるよね。普通くん+59
Golden_Phi
Well Yuru has one that's his "natural enemy" too.
確かに!ユルの方にも「天敵」みたいなやついるんだよな。それもまた皮肉すぎるッ!感情くん+9
dolphincave
It's funny considering her powers she could escape if she ever awakened, what exactly was granny planning.
And how did she expect loyalty from parents when you kept their kid in a cage.
確かに彼女の能力考えれば目覚めてたら脱出できたはずだし、婆さんは何を考えてたんだろうね。
しかも子供を檻に閉じ込めておいて両親からの忠誠心をどうやって期待してたんだか。普通くん+36
SituationWitty2192
Asa‘s father was a local, and he probably knew from the beginning what twins meant. So locking up the girl may have been one of the ways to control the parents.
やばくね!?アサのパパは地元民だったから、双子の意味を最初から知ってたっぽいじゃん。だから娘を閉じ込めることで両親をコントロールしようとしてたってことか〜。まじでエグい展開すぎるんだけど笑ギャル+70
Ashteron
>Asa‘s father was a local, and he probably knew from the beginning what twins meant.
You can see at the beginning of the first episode how he feels about it.
確かに、第1話の最初の方で彼の気持ちは十分わかるよね。普通くん+67
BoyTitan
Darkness hinders her. It probably hindered her significantly more when she was younger and untrained. Asa is the day her brother is the night.
確かに!彼女の能力考えたら覚醒すれば逃げ放題じゃん?笑 ばあちゃん何考えてたんだろうね~
- 闇が彼女の能力を制限してたんだよね
- 若くて訓練してない時はもっとひどかったっぽい
- アサは昼で弟は夜って対照的だし!ギャル+37
PowerlinxJetfire
Her cell had some paper seals on it, didn't it? Maybe that was to prevent her from being able to Break the cage using her power.
確かに!牢屋に札が貼ってあったよな。あれで能力使って脱走できなくしてたんだろうな。婆ちゃんの計画、結構ガチだったんだな…しんどい。感情くん+17
nqtoan1994
Maybe keeping her in the cage was the plan to never let Asa awake her power and potentially expose the village to dangers from outside.
それな!アサが力を覚醒させたら絶対逃げられるのに、ババアは何考えてたんだろうね笑
でももしかしたら、檻に閉じ込めて力を覚醒させないようにするのが最初から計画だったのかもね。外の危険から村を守るためにさ!ギャル+8
BoyTitan
Asa powers are strongest in day time and likely day light. She is the day. She likely developed powers early on. Which makes sense because the sun rises before it can set.
確かに、アサの能力は日中が最強で、日光に関係してそうだね。彼女自身が「昼」って感じだし、早い段階で能力に目覚めたんだろう。日が沈む前に昇るって考えると納得。普通くん+18
Zeph-Shoir
Oh I only just noticed this relates to Yuru being an excellent hunter under the darkness, it isn't solely about being raised in the outskirts!
あっそれ確かに!ユルが闇の中で優秀なハンターなのって、単に辺境で育ったからだけじゃないってことか!気づかなかったわ…エモすぎるッ!感情くん+6
nofaxxspitintruflego
man we rly need to know more of all that and why all that
like was yuru being fed a lie about why that is also?? seems he was fine with it, so i think yeah fed lies but MAN I NEED TO KNOW
マジでその辺の詳細もっと知りたいし、なんでそうなったのかも気になるじゃん!
てかユルもそのことについて嘘を教えられてたってことなのかな?彼はそれを受け入れてたっぽいし、やっぱ嘘を信じ込まされてたんだろうけど…でもマジで知りたいんだけど!笑ギャル+6
Rogue_Localizer
Him being fine with it makes sense since for most of his life she seemed happy about it (because it was a fake)
せやな、ユルのあの反応は納得やわ。だって今までの人生で、あの状況を喜んでるように見えてたんやろ?それが偽物やったって話やしな。もっと詳しく知りたいンゴwww2ちゃん+8
Mami-kouga
When something is treated as a norm from the moment you're born, you simply accept it as that. Especially because from when he was young they replaced Asa with a version who wasn't scared of the dark
生まれた時からそれが普通だと思わされてると、そのまま受け入れちゃうよね。特に幼い頃から暗闇を怖がらないバージョンのアサとすり替えられてたんだから。普通くん+7
tripleaamin
原文
One clear distinction between the twins happens when they are separated. More or less, Yuru was about business as usual. For Asa, though, she definitely has serious trauma from Higashi Village.
It's interesting to learn both Left and Right can keep one of the twins in check. Also, how Asa supposedly died is an interesting nugget.
I like one point this episode drove home: that daemons aren't slaves or livestock. Honestly, some from appearances, like Hana's daemons could pass as pets. Though they are more so partners, I would say. Asa's break can really take advantage of the poor relationship between Daemons and their master.
双子が離れているときの明確な違いとして、ユルは普段通りに振る舞っているのに対し、アサは東村でのトラウマを強く抱えているという考察ができる。
左右のツガイがそれぞれ双子の片方を制御できるという設定は興味深い。特にアサが死亡したとされる経緯は、今後の伏線になり得る重要な要素だと思われる。
今回のエピソードで強調された「ツガイは奴隷や家畜ではない」という点には同意。花のツガイを見るとペットのようにも見えるが、基本的にはパートナー関係と捉えるべきだろう。アサのブレイクは、ツガイと主人の関係性の悪さを利用している点が巧妙に描かれている。考察くん+177
CitronClassic672
The more we learn about Asa’s backstory the more understandable it becomes that she went full execution on the village adults at the first opportunity. Like her experience with them cannot have allowed her to consider the moral complexity of the situation.
アサの過去を知れば知るほど、最初のチャンスで村の大人たちを全員処刑したのも納得できるな。彼女の経験からすると、状況の道徳的な複雑さを考慮する余裕なんてなかったんだろうね。普通くん+110
Golden_Phi
What moral reason is there for locking up a child to keep her alone in the darkness all the time?
確かに!子供を暗闇に閉じ込めるなんてどんな正義があってできるんだよ…無理すぎるッ!アサの行動、完全に理解できるわ感情くん+43
SwordoftheMourn
Huh, I just realized, maybe that’s how the villagers tried to control her? Keep her in darkness to keep her powers in check since they’re more powerful under the sun. Break seems pretty OP to be able to break contracts between Daemon and Master
あっ、そういえばそういうことかもね。村人たちは彼女を制御するためにああしてたのか。日光の下だと力が強くなるから、暗闇に閉じ込めてたんだろうな。Breakはデーモンと主人の契約を破れるって結構チートすぎるな。普通くん+64
zenograff
It was Gabby who killed the villagers on sight.
あ、ガビが即攻撃したんだ!アサの過去知れば知るほど村の皆殺しも納得できるってマジでわかるわ〜ギャル+32
OldInstruction5368
原文
This. The village elders, especially that granny, are scum.
But was every last villager guilty of the crimes of their elders?
How much were they even aware of, considering the majority of the village has no idea what the outside world is even like?
And yet here is Gabby, gleefully murdering random villagers.
I can't forgive that. It's one thing to enjoy killing someone that 'deserves' it, but to enjoy killing people that are only guilty by association? Gabby had no way of knowing which of those random farmers and shopkeepers were "in" on what happened to Asa. If they even knew. If they had any agency whatsoever.
And there she was smiling and joking around as she rips a woman's head off in front of her young son.
I don't like it. I don't like how the show is clearly framing Gabby as a sympathetic character we are supposed to like and empathize with after introducing her as a psychopathic killer.
確かに。村の長老たち、特にあの婆さんはクズだよな。
でも村人全員が長老の罪を背負ってるわけじゃないだろ。村の大半は外の世界すら知らないんだぜ?
そんな中でギャビーが無差別に村民を殺しまくってる。許せないよ。やるべき相手ならまだしも、ただの付き合いで罪があるだけの人々を殺すのを楽しんでるんだ。ギャビーにはどの農民や店主がアサの件に関わってるかなんて分かるはずない。そもそも彼らが知ってたかどうかも怪しいのに。
若い息子の前で女性の首を引きちぎりながら笑ってるんだぞ。
この展開好きじゃない。ギャビーをサイコキラーとして紹介しておいて、今度は共感すべきキャラとして描こうとしてるのが納得いかない。普通くん+28
_WrongKarWai
I didn't know that Asa was also in prison (she had flashbacks)
せやな、ユルは普通に仕事してたけどアサは刑務所におったんか。回想シーンで分かったけど、ワイ気づかんかったわwww2ちゃん+14
Zonca
She was in the same situation as the fake Asa, locked in the cell, until 6 years old after which her parents took her and run and fake Asa was put in her place.
So Asa has some early shared memories of her brother, while Yuru sees her as a new person since he isnt completly over the switcharoo.
なるほど、アサは偽アサと同じ状況で6歳まで牢屋に入れられてて、親が連れ出した後に偽アサが代わりに入れられてたのか。だからアサは弟との幼い頃の共通記憶があって、ユルは入れ替わりを完全に受け入れきれてないからアサを別人と見てるってわけか。普通くん+30
Zero3020
God how busted is Asa, she can forcefully break somebody's daemon contract just like that, although maybe the poor bond between these two and their master made it easier.
So it seems we're getting an answer about how Asa ended up with an eyepatch next week, maybe Yuru will finally soften up on Asa seeing his reaction to what she said at the end of the episode.
アサの能力、めちゃくちゃ壊れてないか? 彼女は強制的に他者の悪魔契約を破壊できるんだぜ。ただし、あの2体と主人の絆が弱かったからこそ成功した可能性はある。
どうやら来週、アサがいつ眼帯を着けるようになったかの答えが明かされそうだな。最終盤でのアサの言葉に対するユルの反応を見るに、彼も少しは心を開くかもしれない。考察くん+139
nqtoan1994
原文
I love the contrast of the siblings. Asa has an insane power and her newly acquired daemons have very good crowd control ability. Meanwhile Yuru is currently without special power but he has down-to-Earth talent of an excellent hunter (I really love that Yuru needed some adjustment on a random bow he picked up, rather than magically being able to use a newly acquired weapon at ease). Right and Left also seemed to be specialized on physical strength and durabilities, if not count their abilities to counter the siblings.
確かにアサの能力やばすぎるよな。兄弟の対比がいいよね。アサは規格外の力と新しく手に入れた使い魔で集団戦に強い。一方ユルは今は特殊能力ないけど、現実的な狩人としての才能が光ってる(拾った弓を調整して使う描写好き)。ライトとレフトも兄弟対策抜きにすれば物理と耐久に特化してそうだし。普通くん+77
SurturSaga
I assume Seal will be just as OP as break. Curious why they made his own Daemon a natural counter though
確かに!SealもBreakみたいにチート級じゃない?でもなんで自分の使い魔が天敵なのか気になるんだけど笑ギャル+19
Luesal2
They are supposed to serve someone wanting to control twins, not one of the twins obviously.
確かに、封の従魔はユルの能力の天敵みたいだよね。でも元々双子をコントロールする側のための存在って考えると納得だわ。普通くん+51
BoyTitan
Show is basically mafia and yakuza families with Demons instead of guns...Wait they have guns also. Its just gangs with magic and demons added.
草www つまりマフィアとヤクザの抗争に悪魔を加えた感じやな でも銃もあるってのがミソやん つまりギャングに魔法と悪魔ぶち込んだだけやなw2ちゃん+103
L0CZEK
Imagine you put your Pikachu against enemy Charizard but the guy offs your Pikachu with a glock
「それな!ピカチュウ出したら相手のリザードンにグロックでぶっ放されるみたいな感じじゃん?笑 まじでやばくね!?」ギャル+65
Pofwoffle
We don't have to imagine: just go play Palworld.
確かに、わざわざ想像しなくてもPalworldやればいいだけだよね。普通くん+17
Golden_Phi
The Higashi Village seems more like an Amish cult thing. So it's like cultists vs Yakuza.
え、東村って完全にアーミッシュのカルトみたいじゃん!つまりカルト教団vsヤクザってこと?やばくね!?笑ギャル+21
rubslotiononitsskin
Munancho vs Tojo Clan
確かに、無難調vs東城会って感じだな普通くん+8
Emotional_Strain_693
Come to think of it, Kagemoris are like a yakuza family vs Higashi that's like a cult.
せやな、考えてみたら影森組は任侠道なヤクザで、東組はカルト教団みたいなもんやな。草2ちゃん+9
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Interesting to learn who can nullify who's ability. Asa being afraid of the dark and then her apparently having died once has made me more curious about her past, hopefully we'll get a look into that soon.
The Yin and Yang daemons are cute, I like how affectionate they're already being with Asa. I wonder why she's saying it's temporary, we haven't seen her with daemons of her own, right?
Akio is brutal using a crowbar as a weapon. It was funny to see him try to hide behind his back when it was revealed he killed the most important lead though lol.
I like how there was one shot of Yuru in the background keeping an eye on Gabby.
誰が誰の能力を無効化できるのか分かって面白かったね。アサが暗闇を怖がってて、しかも一度死んだらしいってのが彼女の過去についてもっと気になるな、早くその辺掘り下げてほしい。
陰と陽のツガイたち可愛いな、もうアサにベッタリで好感持てる。なんで「一時的」って言ってるんだろ、彼女自身のツガイはまだ出てきてないよね?
アキオがバールを武器にしてるのエグいな。でも一番重要な手掛かりを殺したってバレた時に背中に隠そうとするのは笑ったわ。
ユルがガビーを監視してるカットが一瞬あったの好き。普通くん+100
five-eyes-all-blind
>I wonder why she's saying it's temporary, we haven't seen her with daemons of her own, right?
Maybe everyone is limited to one set of daemons? I don't think we've seen more than that and it would make sense that she would want to remain without one to be able to steal her opponents like she did.
>なんで「一時的」って言ったんやろな、まだ彼女自身の使い魔は見せてないよな?
たぶん一人につき一組の使い魔までなんじゃね? それ以上は見たことないし、ああやって敵のを奪うために自分のは持たない方が合理的ってわけやろな。2ちゃん+67
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
Considering that daemons already come in pairs, wouldn't it feel like cheating to have two or more (multiplied by two) under contract? Besides, with daemons also being shown to have 'feelings', I think there's reason to believe having more than one (pair) would only breed contempt and jealousy amongst the ranks. They're clearly not like Pokémons that you can keep inside some conveniently small balls 🤣
確かに。既にデーモンがペアで存在してるのに、さらに複数組契約するのはズルっぽい感じがするよね。それにデーモンにも感情があるなら、複数組いると嫉妬とか反感が生まれそう。明らかに便利な小さなボールにしまえるポケモンとは違うしなw普通くん+22
SomeTool
With how bun, right and left talk it feels a lot closer to digimon then pokemon.
草、ブンとライトの会話見てるとポケモンよりデジモンっぽいわwww2ちゃん+28
Golden_Phi
If she carries others' blood around she can break and remake contracts at will indefinitely. She steals the pair and gives it to an new master. Splashing blood seems to be the method of creating a contract, and whoever's blood is splashed becomes the master. This idea works if the person themself has to be the one to splash the blood.
確かに彼女が「一時的」と言ったのは興味深い点だ。他人の血を保持していれば、自由に契約を破棄・再契約できるという考察が成り立つ。つまり彼女はペアを奪い、新たな主人に譲渡している可能性が高い。血を浴びせることが契約の方法であり、浴びせられた者が主人になるという仕組みだ。ただし、本人自身が血を浴びせる必要があるという前提が入るが、これは1話の伏線と合致する。制作陣の意図が読めるな。考察くん+6
NanDemoKnaives
That's a good point.
せやな、それワイも気になったわ。まだ彼女自身の使い魔(デーモン)は出てきてないし、一時的って言うのが意味深やな。今後の展開次第で化けるかもな。2ちゃん+5
runevault
Next episode being titled Asa and Break makes it sound like we're getting the backstory set up by the end reveal. And I'm wondering if that death is what unlocked Break. Which makes me wonder what Yuru has to do to unlock Seal.
次回タイトルが「アサとブレイク」ってことは、最後の展開で過去編が始まる感じだよね。あと、あの死がブレイクを解放したのか気になる。だとするとユルはシールを解放するために何をしないといけないんだろう。普通くん+40
Eunuchest
>The Yin and Yang daemons are cute, I like how affectionate they're already being with Asa. I wonder why she's saying it's temporary, we haven't seen her with daemons of her own, right?
Maybe she simply just doesnt expect to keep them around? No way she's not using at least 1 demon with what happened so far if she already has a pair
> 陰陽の悪魔かわいいやん、もうアサに懐いてて草
なんで「一時的」って言ってるんやろ?ワイらまだ彼女の悪魔見てないよな?
多分単に手元に置く気ないだけちゃう?
もう悪魔持ってるなら今までの展開で1体くらい使ってそうやん…2ちゃん+13
CosmicX1
It is interesting that she's been down in the surface world all this time and seemingly has only just made a contract now. I wonder if something about Break makes it hard for her to keep demons around, or if the assassins keep killing them off.
確かに興味深いよね。ずっと地上にいたのに今になって契約するって不思議だし。ブレイクの何かが悪魔を近づけにくくしてるのか、それとも暗殺者たちが片っ端から殺してるのか気になるな。普通くん+6
EyeDeeAh_42
>I like how there was one shot of Yuru in the background keeping an eye on Gabby.
Yuru be like: that shrimp is mine! I will be one to take her down.
え、ユルが後ろでガビィのことずっと監視してるカットあったのやばくね!?笑
「あのエビは私の獲物だし!倒すのは私なんだからね!」って感じじゃんwギャル+8
Ned_Flanders0
didnt that hidden swordsman look like Greed from FMAB. Mangaka really did reuse all the characters design in this anime
確かに隠れ剣士、鋼の錬金術師のグリードみたいな見た目だったね。作者はこのアニメでキャラデザ全部使い回してるんだな普通くん+97
HolyDragSwd2500
We can immediately tell he’ll be an important character in the future 👍
確かに!その隠し剣士、めっちゃグリードっぽいよね笑
てかこの作者、キャラデザ完全に使い回してるじゃん!
でも重要キャラ確定って感じでワクワクするよね👍ギャル+76
Zeph-Shoir
He also had 2 swords, bet you those are his Daemons, sounds sick af
確かに。あいつ二刀流だったし、あれがツガイなんだろうな。めっちゃかっこいいじゃん。普通くん+28
extralie
Reminds me more of Kimblee tbh.
それな!キンブリーっぽさもめっちゃあるよね笑 でもグリード感も確かにあるし、どっちも好きだからまじで嬉しいんだけど!ギャル+58
finnjakefionnacake
greed mixed with some ling.
noda does this as well, all his golden kamuy characters appear almost exactly the same in his new hockey manga lol.
確かに。グリードにリンクの要素も混ざってる感じだね。
野田もそうでしょ、ゴールデンカムイのキャラがそのまま新しいホッケーマンガに出てくるの笑うわ。普通くん+33
garfe
Voiced by Mustang too
せやな、あの隠し剣士、確かに鋼の錬金術師のグリードにしか見えへんかったわw
しかも声がマスタング大佐やんけ!作者のキャラデザ流用ガチやな草2ちゃん+20
EyeDeeAh_42
And he's a swordsman! Ticking all the right boxes for me 😆
それな!しかも剣士じゃん!もう私の好みドンピシャすぎてやばい笑ギャル+8
Thomas_JCG
Man, there are only so many ways a person can draw. It's not reusing, it's just the artist style.
確かに、描き方には限界あるし、それはリユースじゃなくて作家のスタイルだよね。普通くん+7
Golden_Phi
His swords have eyes and he has two of them. They must be his pair. it would be interesting to know what his abilities are.
それな!刀に目がついててしかも二本持ちって、絶対ツガイだよな。どんな能力なのか気になりすぎるッ!感情くん+6
Kuro_Canary
原文
I think this episode pretty much explained why Gabby so mercilessly slaughtered the people of Higashi Village. Her reaction to the guy saying that Daemons are nothing but tools that need to be put in their place seemed extremely personal. On top of that, Asa seems to have a lot of trauma based on the stuff that happened to her while she was locked away in a cold dungeon in Higashi Village. It makes sense why Gabby cares so much about Asa if they both share trauma over being treated like dirt by others. After experiencing all the things Asa went through with Higashi Village and how much she cares for Asa, it makes sense why Gabby wouldn't care about wiping out the village who hurt the person she cares about.
今回のエピソードで、ガビィが東の村の人々を容赦なく虐殺した理由がかなり明確になったよね。「悪魔は所詮道具で、きちんと扱いをわきまえさせるべきだ」って言った男に対する彼女の反応が、すごく個人的なものに感じられた。それに加えて、アサも東の村の冷たい牢獄に閉じ込められていた時の経験から大きなトラウマを抱えているみたいだし。もしガビィとアサの両方が他人からゴミのように扱われたトラウマを共有しているなら、ガビィがアサをそこまで気にかけるのも納得できる。アサが東の村で経験した全てのことと、ガビィがどれだけアサを大事に思っているかを考えると、ガビィが自分が気にかける人を傷つけた村を全滅させることに躊躇しなかったのも理解できるね。普通くん+93
Humanshieldthaan
原文
Gabby + the Kagemoris are also inferred to have been fighting "Higashi Village assassins" alongside Asa so we can probably assume that those were all kill-or-be-killed fights.
There was also some question among our Kagemori characters as to whether this episode's villains were Kagemori as well. Guessing that both the Kagemori group *and* Higashi village have some hidden darker sides. Makes sense, given the theme of duality that absolutely pervades this show.
ガビィ+影森組はアサと一緒に「東村の暗殺者」と戦ってたって示唆されてるし、多分殺るか殺られるかの戦いやったんやろな。
今回の敵も影森組かどうかって疑問もキャラ間であったしな。影森組にも東村にも闇の部分があるってことやろな。このアニメずっと二面性テーマにしてるし、納得やわ。2ちゃん+73
Thomas_JCG
It is pretty hard for any large group to be monolithic. Whoever controls the twins can conquer the world, neither the Kagemori nor the Higashi village can say no one in their group would succumb to the temptation.
確かに大きな組織だと一枚岩は難しいよね。双子を操れるやつが世界を征服できるなら、カゲモリも東の村も内部に誘惑に負けるやつが出てくるのは避けられないんじゃないかな。普通くん+13
Zeph-Shoir
And I doubt they are the only 2 factions here
確かに!この世界に2つの勢力しかないなんてありえないよね。もっと複雑で混沌としてそうでしょ!感情くん+7
Myrkrvaldyr
Yeah, Gabby's ruthlessness makes more sense now, but we still need more info if everyone she killed deserved it. If all adults in the village share the ideology of mistreating daemons, I get it, which would also explain why she spared the kids if they have yet to acquire that ideology.
確かに、ガビィの非情さには納得のいく背景が見えてきたな。ただ、彼女が殺した全員に妥当性があったのかは、まだ情報が足りない。東の村の大人たち全員が悪魔を虐待する思想を持っていたなら、ガビィの行動も理解できる。その場合、子供たちを助けたのも、まだその思想を獲得していないからだという考察が成り立つ。考察くん+43
CitronClassic672
I don’t think this situation is a matter of whether everyone deserved it, but rather that given Gabby and Asa’s past they don’t particularly care to sort through every individual person, and instead are just writing off every adult.
この状況はみんなが死に値するかどうかの問題じゃなくて、ギャビーとアサの過去を考えれば、一人一人の善悪を精査する気はなくて、大人全員を切り捨ててるってことだと思う。普通くん+24
BioWeirdo
That's not a good thing, so it makes it even harder to empathize with Asa and Gabby.
せやな、それが良くないから余計にAsaとGabbyに感情移入しづらくなるンゴwww2ちゃん+25
crystalblade13
原文
That makes them damn psychos if that’s the case. The morality in this series is still very questionable right now as a result. Which makes it really hard to care about characters like Gabby. It’s what made me not care when Asa cried over meeting Yuru. That’s the risk you take when you obscure motivations as much as this show has, while having the questioning of the atrocities in the villiage competely side stepped at every turn
同意。もしそうなら彼らは完全にサイコパスだな。このシリーズの道徳観は依然として非常に曖昧で、結果的にガビのようなキャラに共感しづらい。アサがユルとの再会で泣いた場面でも僕は冷めてた。作品があれだけ動機を曖昧にし、村での残虐行為への疑問を毎回回避し続ける限り、それは当然のリスクだと思う。考察くん+23
finnjakefionnacake
which then makes it impossible for me to care about what happens to gabby
つまりギャビーの今後がどうなろうと俺にはどうでもよくなっちゃったんだよね普通くん+8
Rogue_Localizer
I really hope no one under this post ever liked Vegeta.
せやな、この投稿でベジータ好きって言ってるやつおらんとええなマジで2ちゃん+5
Ashteron
>If all adults in the village share the ideology of mistreating daemons
It doesn't really have to be about daemons per se. They didn't seem to mind real Asa being caged in a dark cave.
確かに、村の大人たちがデーモンだけじゃなくて、アサみたいな存在も平気で閉じ込めてる時点で、大人全体の意識がヤバいのは間違いないね。普通くん+25
Ikari_21
By that logic yuru deserved to die too cause he was fine with it as well. We don’t know what the granny told him or the villagers. She could’ve spewed some lie about how it’s to protect her and if she gets out she can die or something. Granny is 100% the most sus so far, her and the elders that know the truth.
せやな、その理屈でいくとユルも村の風潮に同意してたんやから死んで当然ってことにならへん?
婆さんが何言うたかワイら知らんしな。「外に出たら死ぬ」とか嘘並べてユルと村人騙してた可能性あるやろ。
婆さんが現時点で一番怪しいンゴwww 真相知ってる長老連中も含めてな。2ちゃん+15
Hounds_of_war
Gabby getting so mad about the comment that Daemons are just livestock is especially interesting with how she casually just slaughtered five pairs of Daemons without even really thinking about it.
それな!ガビーが「悪魔は家畜」って発言に激怒したのに、自分は平気で5組も悪魔をバッサリ殺っちゃってるのやばくね!?笑 まじ矛盾してるじゃん〜ギャル+28
Kuro_Canary
I don't think Gabby got mad at that line specifically because of how much she loves Daemons. That seemed more like a personal grudge. Almost as if she was recalling something from her own past and how she was treated.
確かに、Gabbyがあの「デーモンは家畜」発言に怒ったのは、単にデーモンが好きだからじゃないと思う。むしろ個人的な恨みって感じがしたな。自分の過去の扱われ方を思い出したんじゃないかな。普通くん+53
drunkenvalley
I'm a little puzzled by this comment. I love big cats. Bears are cool. Etc. But if they were obviously going for my throat I'd defend myself. Y' know?
Obviously I wouldn't do well at that. But Gabby here seems experienced.
このコメント、ちょっと考察が足りない気がするな。確かに野生動物に襲われたら自己防衛するのは当然だ。だがガビィの反応を見る限り、彼女は単なる防衛じゃなく「妖魔は家畜」という発言に感情的にキレてるんだよな。つまり彼女にとって妖魔は単なる危険生物じゃなく、何か特別な存在として認識されてる可能性が高い。この怒りの裏には、妖魔と人間の関係性についての深い設定が隠されてるんじゃないかと推測できる。考察くん+26
Hounds_of_war
Point is that it can’t *just* be that Gabby got pissed off about that comment because she really likes Daemons, otherwise she wouldn’t have massacred those Daemons with a smile on her face. Her anger is more about the disrespect to not even name them, and I think that is an interesting angle given how much of a sadist she seems to be.
確かに。ガビがあのコメントに怒ったのは単にデーモン好きだからってだけじゃなくて、名前すら呼ばない disrespect にキレたってのがポイントだと思う。サディストっぽい彼女からすると面白い視点だね。普通くん+16
OlivierStreet
\+ random villagers
マジそれな!ギャビーがあんなにキレてるのやばくね笑ギャル+7
TWIMClicker
It still needs to be covered more, it would be crazy to sweep under the rug. The village grandma is obviously sketch, but those villagers seemed innocent. Her being nicer to daemons in no way redeems her for that, I hope the show doesn’t treat it that way.
確かに、もっと掘り下げる必要があるよね。村のばあさんは明らかに怪しいけど、他の村人たちは無実っぽいし。デーモンに優しくしたところで、あの行為が帳消しになるわけじゃないし、作品もそういう風に描かないでほしいな。普通くん+28
CitronClassic672
Well all the villagers at least seemed complicit in Asa’s treatment. I don’t see the point in debating the morality of the situation. Pretty clear no one in this story smells like a rose.
せやな、村人全員がAsaへの扱いに関与しとるやん。倫理観の話する意味あんのかこれ。この話、全員クリーンな奴おらんやろ。2ちゃん+19
Ikari_21
We have no idea what the granny and the elders told the villagers. Yuru was fine with Asa being in there, so surely it’s okay for him to die too even tho he obviously has no idea what’s going on. It’s the granny and the elders we have to be wary about.
確かに。婆さんや長老たちが村人に何を伝えたかは不明だしな。ユルもアサが中にいるのを許容してたんだから、同じように死んでも構わないって思ってそうだよな。問題は婆さんと長老たちの方だと思う。普通くん+19
unkown_backslash
Yall seem to forget but yuru literally states in ep 1 almost no one is allowed to see asa meaning they dont know wtf is going on in that cave.
せやな、村人全員がアサの扱いに加担してるように見えたわ。でもユルの発言忘れてるやろ、ep1で「アサに会えるのはほぼ誰もいない」って言ってたやん。つまり村人らは洞窟で何が起こってるか知らんのや。議論する意味あんのかって話やな。2ちゃん+5
crystalblade13
It matters because this organization just seems totally ok with the murder of random innocent people right now, which is a problem and an inconsistency when they are shown to be so morally concerned in other instances
確かに、この組織は無実の一般人を殺すことに対して全く躊躇がないように見えるのが問題だ。他の場面では道徳的にこだわっている描写があるのに、これは明らかに矛盾している。アサの扱いに村人が加担していた点を踏まえると、組織全体の倫理観が一貫していないという考察ができる。考察くん+8
DarthB22
Being able to break contracts is OP.
契約を破れるのはチートすぎるだろ普通くん+62
Thomas_JCG
That's why people are after her, it is an ability that is an instant win even against daemons. The only downside is that her aim is bad, but if she gets in touching range...
確かに!契約解除できるのやばすぎじゃん?悪魔相手でも一瞬で勝ち確定ってチートすぎる笑 まぁ命中率悪いのは欠点だけど、触れる距離に入れば終わりだよね!ギャル+23
DawgDictator
All hail Gaby-chan-sama
ガビちゃん様万歳!普通くん+59
finnjakefionnacake
i can't bring myself to care about her yet, tbh
ガビちゃん様万歳……って言われても、正直まだ彼女にそこまで興味持てないんだよな……感情くん+15
Zeph-Shoir
I am so frustrated because it would be so easy for me to love her if not for what she did.
わかる〜!彼女のこと好きになりたい気持ちはあるんだけど、あのやらかしがなぁ…まじでムカつくんだけど!ギャル+5
EyeDeeAh_42
lol the naming reminds me of Tsune-chan-san from Nippon Sangoku
「笑った、そのネーミング、にほんさんごくのツネちゃんさん思い出すわ」普通くん+12
crystalblade13
Still hate her. Show has a lot to do to make her even slightly likable
マジでガビーは無理なんだけど!笑 この子がちょっとでもマシに見えるようになるには、アニメがめっちゃ頑張らないと無理じゃね?ギャル+8
extralie
This is like the most FMA-ass shot in this show so far. lol
これまでで一番鋼の錬金術師感あるカットだなw普通くん+58
garfe
Forgetting bald guy's giant daemon's eye in front of a door like a certain Door/stomach in FMA?
確かにッ!禿げの大悪魔の目が扉の前にあるの、FMAの扉/胃のシーン思い出すわ~!完全に同じ構図すぎるw感情くん+28
extralie
That's pretty FMA-y too, but the shadowed face with glowing eyes stick in my mind more from FMA... mostly because they do it pretty often with homunculus.
それな!確かにFMAっぽいよね!でも個人的には影の中に光る目ってやつのが印象強いかな〜人造人間でめっちゃ使ってたし!ギャル+9
Tamasukiide
gabby telling gabriel they're in luck, cuz they'll get to eat a lot, was like lust and gluttony
確かに!ガビーがガブリエルに「ラッキーだね、いっぱい食べられるよ」って言うシーン、まんまラストとグラトニーすぎて笑ったw感情くん+6
nqtoan1994
Asa's PoV as a child, living inside a dark cage and being separated from her family, makes me realize how uncanny the cheerfulness of fake Asa was.
アサの子供時代の視点、暗い檻の中で家族と引き離されてたって話を聞くと、偽アサのあの明るさが逆に不気味に感じられるな。普通くん+54
TooMuchDnD30
They were referring to the fake Asa from ep 1 being cheerful. Not real Asa.
草、それな。
1話に出てきた偽アーサーの明るさの話やろ。本物のアーサーちゃうしな。2ちゃん+23
EyeDeeAh_42
Ahh shit, I missed that it was about fake Asa. Thanks for pointing it out
あー、偽アサのことか、見逃してたわ。教えてくれてありがと普通くん+9
ebonyphoenix
原文
It was so sad seeing little Asa fearing the dark being in that cage. It seems quite possible that she grew up there and never saw daylight until her parents ran away with her. And since she is the twin of the day, that thrives in the light, that seems like it would have been especially hard on her.
Yuru just calmly saying how used he is to being confused ever since the attack. He’s had his entire world turned upside down so now nothing is too strange for him anymore.
I knew Yuru was going to hit Left in the face as soon as he asked her to hold up a target to practice his aim.
Hunter Yuru is always going to be cool.
幼い頃のアサが暗闇怖がって檻の中にいるシーンはガチで辛かったわ……あそこで育って両親が連れ出すまで一度も日光浴びたことなかったんやろな。しかも「昼の双子」で光の中が本来の居場所やから、余計にキツかったやろうな。
ユルが「襲撃以来、混乱するのに慣れた」って冷静に言うの草。世界ひっくり返ったらもう何が起きても驚かんってか。
ユルがレフトに「的を持ってくれ」って言われた瞬間、顔面ぶっ叩くって予想できたわ。
ハンター・ユルはいつだってかっこいいンゴwww2ちゃん+48
Golden_fsh
原文
Another great episode! I thought Right headpatting Asa was cute. Asa is afraid of the dark because of being imprisoned in Higashi village. So that part about fake Asa was true. The more we learn about the village, the more shady they become so I hope to hear about Higashi village from Dera soon to give some truth.
Also, that one samurai guy reminded me of Kimblee from FMA, lol.
Absolutely love that Yuru is always in the hunter mindset. That shot of him on top of the roof was 🔥🔥🔥
And I have a feeling the beef between Yuru and Gabby will always be a highlight!
今回も良エピソードだったな。アサが右に頭を撫でられるシーンが可愛かった。アサが暗闇を怖がるのは東村に監禁されていたからか。だとすると、偽アサのあの描写は事実だったわけだ。村について知れば知るほど胡散臭さが増すな。早くデラから東村の真相を聞きたいところだ。
あと、あの侍っぽいキャラ、鋼の錬金術師のキンブリーを思い出したわw
ユルが常にハンターの思考を保っているのが最高だ。屋根の上に立ってるカットが🔥🔥🔥だった。
それと、ユルとギャビーの因縁は今後も見どころになる予感がする。考察くん+50
PerfectBeige
>And I have a feeling the beef between Yuru and Gabby will always be a highlight!
Poor Edward Elric looking characters being called "chibi" in every universe.
確かに!ユルとガビィの因縁の対決は毎回見どころになりそうだね。
どの世界でも「チビ」って呼ばれるエドワード・エルリックみたいなキャラが不憫すぎるw普通くん+20
NekoCatSidhe
原文
Between Jin shooting people, Gabu “gobbing” them, the Tortoise being used for torture, and the bald guy just murdering people with an iron bar, the Kagemori are pretty scary. I can understand why Asa was ready to straight up murder half her village if the Kagemori raised her after her parents disappeared. Although the trauma of being imprisoned in the dark by the Higashi village probably did not help. And Yuru will fit right in, shooting people with arrows without any hesitation. Is this one of those anime with no real good guys ?
I am surprised the bad guys could find so many Daemons wielders on short notice. How common can they be in our modern world ? They seemed rather out of their depths though, with the only real threat being their numbers.
金さんがバンバン撃ちまくり、ガブが「べっ」ってやるわ、亀で拷問するわ、ハゲが鉄パイプでぶん殴るわで、影守マジで怖すぎやろwww アサが「村の半分殺す」ってマジで言ってた理由わかるわ。まあ東村に閉じ込められたトラウマもあるやろうけど。ユルも躊躇なく矢ぶっ放すし、ガチで善人いない系アニメなんかこれ?
敵陣が短期間でこんなにデーモン使い見つけてくるのビビるわ。現代社会でそんなポンポンおるもんなん? でも数で押してるだけで実力はイマイチやったけどな。2ちゃん+38
Thomas_JCG
>Is this one of those anime with no real good guys ?
You mean "is this one of those anime with no pure, infallible, holier than thou characters"? Because the answer is yes then. The twins only want to find their parents and be left alone, while people keep going to try to kill or kidnap them to use their powers. Why should they have any consideration for their enemies?
つまり「純粋で完璧な正義の味方がいないアニメ」ってこと?それならその通りだね。双子は両親を探して静かに暮らしたいだけなのに、周りは殺したり拉致しようとしてくるんだ。なんで敵に配慮しなきゃいけないんだって話だよ。普通くん+15
photonfiree
I mean without yall spoiling the story with these subtle comments I do not see how Jin can be made out to be a bad guy just yet. He has really only been protecting himself when a threat was presented to him. He did not go murder a village or anything just yet.
いやいや、ネタバレなしで語るならまだジンが悪役とか決めつけるのは早すぎるやろw 今のところは敵が来たから身を守ってるだけやん。村を皆殺しにしたわけでもないしな。2ちゃん+5
flyhighs4869
原文
This episode sure solidified my fondness for Gabby.
It's cute how both she and Jin refer to their respective daemons as "my kids", which is both ironically funny in the diminutive effect (terrifying fish of the deep?? body horror eyes and teeth??) and also interesting in what it reveals of their relationships to their daemons. You wouldn't expect them to be protective of their clearly-strong-in-combat daemons and yet...!
今回のエピソードでガビィへの好感度確実に上がったな。
ジンもガビィも自分のデーモンを「うちの子」って呼んでるの可愛いよね。深海の恐怖みたいな魚とか、目玉や歯がグロいやつを「うちの子」って呼ぶギャップが面白いし、そこから二人のデーモンとの関係性も見えてくる。あれだけ戦闘力高いデーモンなのに守ってあげようとしてるんだな…!普通くん+36
kevinhu162
Same, I sense that many fans have been turned off by her ruthless killing of the Higashi villagers, but it's more interesting to learn that her values and personality are strongly loyal, respectful of her daemons, caring of their friends and allies, and most importantly hilarious \~ *GABU GABU*
同意。確かに東の村人を無慈悲に殺したことで彼女を嫌うファンも多いが、むしろそこから彼女の価値観や人格が読み取れる。強い忠誠心、使い魔への敬意、仲間や味方を大切にする姿勢、そして何より面白い——という考察ができる。\~ *ガブガブ*考察くん+11
KanyeBetOnTrump
Jin wick.
ジン・ウィックだな。普通くん+34
oneevilchicken
This show doesn’t hold back when it comes to having the characters eliminate enemies and it’s honestly so nice to see and not have the horrible “omg I can never kill people no matter how bad the circumstances are” trope.
この作品、敵を排除する際に一切の躊躇がないのが本当に良い。よくある「どんな状況でも人を殺せない」という嫌なテンプレートに陥っていない点は、制作陣の明確な意図を感じられる。キャラクターの行動原理が一貫していて、ストーリーに説得力が増しているという考察ができる。考察くん+27
JOOOQUUU
Left 🥵
左が🥵すぎるやろ2ちゃん+30
PerfectBeige
Jeez you give a tall jacked oni lady a crazy set of biceps and an all business attitude, but give her just enough cute expressions when she's accidentally getting by arrows or what have you and...
I forgot where I was going with this.
確かに、あの鬼の姉御、筋肉ムキムキで無表情なのに、うっかり矢に当たった時の表情が可愛すぎるんだよな…何言おうとしてたか忘れたわ。普通くん+21
Shimmering-Sky
原文
- Uh-oh.
- Ah, so Right was teleported with Asa.
- Damn…
- Interesting.
- Now how to get out of it.
- Well, I guess that’s one way to make use of a situation where you’re stuck.
- His face, lol.
- Yuru was right that Asa would be fine!
- Well, alright then. It’s actually kind of cute when it’s on their side…
- Safe to say Yuru *did* adjust his aim properly while in there.
- Ooh, my ears hear Shinichiro Miki. I am immediately interested in whoever this guy is.
- So much for getting answers out of that guy.
- Oh that’s an awful way to think of Daemons.
- Aww, they *are* cute.
- Oh–
まず、アサと一緒にライトが転送されたという点が興味深い。これは意図的なのか、それとも偶然なのか考察の余地があるな。
- ユルの「アサなら大丈夫」という発言が的中したのは、彼女の能力や性格を正確に理解している証拠。キャラクター間の信頼関係がしっかり描写されている。
- 三木眞一郎さんの声が聞こえた時点で、このキャラクターは重要人物と予想。声優の起用だけで作品への期待値が上がる。
- デーモンに対する「ひどい考え方」という反応は、人間とデーモンの関係性における倫理観の違いが浮き彫りに。
- 「彼らの側にいると可愛い」というのは、敵対時と協力時でのデーモンの印象のギャップを巧く表現している。制作陣の意図的な演出だと思われる。考察くん+26
UltimateEye
It’s funny we can immediately tell by his character design and voice that sword dude is going to be important later. He’s too distinct to just be a one-off!
確かに、あの剣のやつはデザインと声で一発で「後々重要になるやつだ」ってわかるよね。特徴ありすぎて使い捨てにはできない感じ。普通くん+39
HolyDragSwd2500
Same. I was like Hey Samurai Greed
せやな。ワイも「お、サムライグリードやん」ってすぐ分かったわwww2ちゃん+20
Tamasukiide
How are you so quick with these
やばっ!お前マジで早すぎじゃね!?笑ギャル+5
Shimmering-Sky
I watch the episode as soon as it's available and pause to write down whatever comes to mind as I watch.
放送された瞬間に観てるんだよ!で、観ながら思いついたこと全部メモってる。この熱意やばくない?!感情くん+13
Tamasukiide
I respect the game!
それな!まじでリスペクトすぎるじゃん!笑ギャル+8
Raiking02
> I am immediately interested in whoever this guy is.
That's *obviously* Daryun from Heroic Legend of Arslan. Clearly [Arslan]>!this is his part-time job to pay for all the expenses Narsus has been making lately. Being married to an art freak sure is difficult...!<
> この男誰やろってワイも気になってたンゴ
それって明らかにアルスラーン戦記のダリューンやんけ。どう考えても[アルスラーン]>!最近ナルサスが使いまくってる経費を払うためのバイトやろな。美術バカと結婚するの大変そう…!<2ちゃん+6
Forsaken_Boss_1895
Im enjoying the story so far but Gabby taking the high road on treating daemons badly and doesent kill the guy but just few eps ago was killing villagers of which some im sure were innocent makes her pretty unbearable.
現時点でのストーリーは楽しめているが、ガビィが悪魔への虐待に対して高潔な態度を取り、あの男を殺さなかった点は、数話前に村人を殺していたこと(その中には確実に無実の者もいた)と矛盾しており、彼女のキャラクターがかなり耐え難いものになっているという考察ができる。考察くん+28
PerfectBeige
原文
Gabby kills humans without mercy but bristles at the idea of treating daemons like livestock. I suspect when we do find about Gabby's backstory it's going to be a pretty heinous "raised as a living weapon by people that used and abused her" type story that left her feeling closer to most daemons than most humans. Although it would be pretty funny if it turned out she had a super loving family and conventional childhood.
We can infer now why Gabby had no issue butchering the villagers - the village had been sending assassins that killed her good friend and Gabby was most likely told by the Kagemoris that the villagers were complicit.
Doesn't really excuse killing innocents or confused people without weapons, but personally I don't find Gabby hard to sympathize with even if she is definitely morally grey at best. She's far from a psychopath.
ギャビーは人間は容赦なく殺すのに、デーモンを家畜扱いするのは嫌がってるんだよね。彼女の過去は多分「道具として育てられて酷使・虐待された」って感じの陰惨なストーリーで、人間よりデーモンに親近感があるんだろうな。でも実は超愛ある家庭で普通に育ったとかだったら笑える。
村人を虐殺した理由も推測できるよ。村が彼女の親友を殺した暗殺者を送り込んでて、影守から村民が共謀してたって聞かされてたんだろう。
無実の人を殺すのは正当化できないけど、個人的にはギャビーに同情しやすいし、サイコパスってわけじゃないと思う。普通くん+19
Smart_Fuel59
I would agree about Gabby if she was not so jovial and sadistic when she killed those villagers. She is a psycho.
同意。「無慈悲に人間殺すのに悪魔を家畜扱いするのは嫌」ってやつね。でもガビィ、村人殺すときあんなに楽しそうでサディスティックだったからな…あれは完全にサイコだわ。無理すぎるッ!感情くん+20
Accipiter1138
It's a pretty major and justified hangup. If she had acted even just stoic about it, and gone only after people holding weapons, then yeah, she might at least be put on the level of Mustang and Hawkeye- they killed plenty of people, too.
But the way she goes about it like she's stepping on flowers or something, that's just disturbing.
確かにそれは大きな引っかかりポイントで、正当な批判だと思う。もし彼女が無表情で淡々としていて、武器を持った相手だけを狙っていたなら、少なくともマスタングやホークアイと同じレベルで見られたかもしれない。彼らも多くの人間を殺しているからな。
しかし、彼女がまるで花を踏むかのような軽やかさで殺戮を行うその態度が、単純に不気味でしかない。これはキャラクター造形上の意図的なコントラストだと思われる。考察くん+13
BioWeirdo
From an anime-only perspective, now Gabby 100% looks like a psychopath.
アニメしか見てない立場からすると、もうギャビ完全にサイコパスだよね。普通くん+21
TWIMClicker
Yeah, I hope the story goes into that and doesn’t gloss over the brutal murder of 20-30 seeming innocent noncombatants and orphaning of children and treats her as redeemed and a side protagonist just because she cares for the sister and is nicer to daemons lol.
確かに、20〜30人もの無辜の非戦闘員を虐殺し、子供たちを孤児にした行為を、妹想いで悪魔に優しくなったからといって簡単に許し、サイド主人公扱いするのは違和感があるな。物語がこの点を深掘りして、彼女の贖罪をしっかり描いてほしいものだ。単なるご都合主義で終わらせないことを期待するよ。考察くん+11
finnjakefionnacake
原文
also the way yuru is still treating it like a minor inconvenience even though he saw tons of people he's known his whole life and i'm sure loved and cared about get murdered
if gabby has a reason, it makes no sense that she wouldn't tell yuru. sure we can understand why from an "unraveling the mystery" POV for the viewer, but in terms of what's actually happening in the story, it makes no sense that gabby/asa wouldn't have explained why they rolled up in the village killing everyone, especially if asa wants yuru to trust or like her.
確かに。ユルは幼い頃から知ってる人たちが大勢殺されたのに、まだ「ちょっとした面倒事」みたいに扱ってるのが気になる。
ギャビーに理由があるならユルに話さないのはおかしいよね。視聴者には「謎解き」として理解できるけど、ストーリー的にはアサがユルに信頼されたいなら村で皆殺しにした理由を説明しないのは不自然だと思う。普通くん+14
Youssay123
I guess we'll understand by next episode. I mean the episode ended with Asa saying she was killed by a Higashi assassin so that's a pretty good reason ngl, especially if the whole village is in some sort of conspiracy
確かに、ユルが今まで知ってた人たちが大勢いる中であれだけ軽く扱ってるのは気になるポイントだよな。でも次回で判明するだろうな。何せエピソードの最後でアサが「東の刺客に殺された」って言ってたし、村全体が何らかの陰謀に巻き込まれてる可能性を考えると、あの態度にも伏線があると思われる。考察くん+12
antiukap
She doesn't kill the guy because Asa stops her
アサが止めたからあの男を殺さなかったんだよね。普通くん+6
Radiancekov7
原文
When the Kagemori mansion is invaded, a highly competent group of killers immediately starts a counter attack, blocks off entrances and makes sure non combatants hide, no losses.
When the village's seal is broken, most of the adults are massacred in front of their children with no idea of what's going on, only the elder (who survives) knows what happened.
Its been 6 episodes and we still dont know why these civilians deserved to be murdered, and its hard to care about the cast in any meaningful way until some explanation is given.
陰守邸襲撃時は即座にプロの殺し屋集団が反撃開始、出入口封鎖、非戦闘員の隠避徹底で無傷だったのに対し、村の封印破壊時は大人たちが子供の目前で無惨に虐殺され、何が起きたかも分からず、唯一生き残った長老だけが事情を知る。
6話経っても、なぜ一般市民が殺されるに値したのか説明がなく、納得できる理由が提示されるまではキャストに真摯に感情移入できないというのが正直なところだ。考察くん+11
Rogue_Localizer
原文
"Non-combatants" and "innocent" are two *very* different things. You have 3rd party confirmation (the perspective of right and left) that something caused Asa's parents to flee that village in fear with her hidden under the cover of night. You have confirmation that the village spent the next 10 years lying to Yuru. You have confirmation from Asa's PTSD flashbacks this episode that they were keeping her locked up.
Also, this is a 24 22 minute episode season, not eight forty-five minute episodes. When did attention spans become so short? The mysteries of a series mot being explained in the first 132 minutes seems pretty normal to me. Hell, when did people develop this weird idea that they have to know characters are fully morally justified in their actions before they're allowed to care about them.
I'm getting old.
「非戦闘員」と「無実」は全然別物だよね。第三者の視点(左右の立場)から、アサの両親が夜に紛れて彼女を隠しながら村を逃げ出したことが確認されてる。ユルに対して村が10年間嘘をつき続けた証拠もある。今回の回でアサのPTSDフラッシュバックから、彼女が監禁されていたのも明らかになった。
それに、これは24話の22分枠のシーズンであって、8話の45分枠じゃない。いつから注意力がこんなに短くなったんだ?最初の132分でシリーズの謎が全部説明されないのは普通だと思うんだけど。そもそも、キャラクターに感情移入する前に道徳的に完全に正しいと証明されなきゃいけないっていう変な考え、いつから広まったんだろう。
俺も年取ったな。普通くん+12
Magicbison
Left coming into most scenes feet first never fails to amuse me. The camera work around her would make Quentin Tarantino proud.
左が毎回足から登場するの、ワイ毎回草生えるンゴwww
カメラワークが完全にタランティーノやん。ガチで好き。2ちゃん+15
hasanman6
Why did jin shoot that guy in the head? At that moment of time he didnt know if they captured any of the other intruders, what would happen if they caught none
やばくね!?ジンがいきなりあの男の頭撃ったんだけど!その時点で他の侵入者捕まったかどうかも分かんないのに、もし誰も捕まえられなかったらどうすんだよ!ギャル+11
Eunuchest
Im more curious why there's no hole on the back of the head while there's one on the forehead
確かに、額には穴があるのに後頭部に貫通痕がないのは気になるな。普通くん+6
Basic_Loquat_9344
hair
確かに!前頭部に穴あるのに後頭部にないの気になるわ…髪で隠れてるだけとか?感情くん+9
Equivalent-Mine5562
原文
So is the daemon contracts are like how devil contract work in chainsaw man? Asa used her blood to get that new daemon under her.
The show reminds me so much of FMAB(obviously!!!) in how in between some serious moments we still have a fun moment or joke or animation in between.
So Daemon are part of this world and weilders just catch or recruit them for their bidding??
The final line about Asa being killed once? Now this has me thinking and I can't wait till Saturday to find out😭.
Also I didn't get the part of Right(or was it left?) talking to Asa and mentioning how he's her Enemy and the same would apply to Yoru and his direction daemon.
確かにデーモン契約はチェンソーマンの悪魔契約っぽいよね。アサが血を使って新しいデーモンを従えたし。
この作品、鋼の錬金術師みたいにシリアスなシーンの合間に楽しい場面やギャグを挟むバランスが似てると思う。
デーモンはこの世界に存在してて、使い手が捕まえたり仲間にしたりして使役する感じなのかな?
最後の「アサは一度殺された」って台詞が気になりすぎる。土曜日が待ち遠しいよ😭
あと右(左だっけ?)がアサに「俺はお前の敵だ」って言ってて、夜と彼の方向デーモンも同じ関係ってこと?そこはちょっと理解できなかった。普通くん+13
runevault
原文
We got a hint that blood is part of forming the contracts back in episode 1 when Tadera slammed Yuru's face on the gem to get blood on it and awaken Right and Left.
I admit the idea of breaking Daemon contracts being part of what Asa's power could separate did not cross my mind but it makes total sense.
As for your final paragraph, each of Right and Left have the power to defy the power of one of the twins, be it Seal or Break. Recall back when Asa tried to hit him with Break he just screamed it out of existence.
エピソード1でタデラがユルの顔を宝石に押し付けて血を付けてライトとレフトを覚醒させた時点で、契約に血が関わってるヒントはあったよな。
アサの能力が悪魔契約を破壊するって発想はワイの頭にはなかったけど、確かに筋は通ってるンゴwww
最後のパラグラフについてやけど、ライトとレフトはそれぞれ封印か破壊のどっちかの双子の能力を無効化できるんや。アサがブレイクで攻撃した時、叫んで消し飛ばしたの覚えてるやろ?2ちゃん+21
runevault
原文
Can a human contract with multiple daemon pairs at once would be my first question in response to yours. So far I've only noticed single pairs with each human. And I assume a master can choose to free their own Daemons, but Asa can simply do it by force with her power. I forget which episode (I think last?) but someone mentioned being able to hand daemons over to a new master even before dying.
And I'm curious to see how Seal works on Daemons, now that we know Break includes the power to break their contracts with their masters.
まず人間が複数の使い魔と同時に契約できるのかが気になるな。今のところ一人につき一組しか見てないし。主人が自分の使い魔を解放できるのは当然として、アサは力で強制的にやってるんだろうな。どのエピソードか忘れたけど(多分最終回?)、死ぬ前に使い魔を新しい主人に譲渡できるって話も出てたよ。
あとBreakが主人との契約を破棄する力ってわかった今、Sealが使い魔にどう作用するのかも気になるね。普通くん+10
Vwlpes
This story start with a messy puzzle and along the episodes things start to click together is such a delicious feeling.
この物語、最初はパズルのピースがバラバラやったけど、話が進むにつれてガチで噛み合ってくる感じがたまらんわ。草生えるぐらい気持ちええンゴwww2ちゃん+12
Still-Neck-6771
原文
It ended with a cliffhanger 😭 I cant wait for next ep 😭
I was wondering when we will see Asa'a daemons for the longest time, now we know who they are.
If I remember correctly the twins seperated by day and night last showed up 400 years ago and also left and right have been dormant for 400 years. I just know there is a deeper lore behind it and I cant wait to find out.
Also Left counters Yuru and Right counters Asa, that was really interesting.
Asa said she died, and since she has the ability to break, is it ok to assume Yuru will awaken his ability once he dies or experiences near death experience.
I also love to see how they use daemons, like the turtle used to stop enemies from escaping or to interrogate. Also I love gabriel its so cute 🫶
最終話がクリフハンガーで終わった😭 次回が待ちきれない😭
長い間アサの使い魔がいつ出てくるのか気になってたけど、ようやく正体がわかったね。
確か昼夜で分かれた双子は400年前に最後に現れて、左と右も400年間休眠してたんだよね。絶対もっと深い設定があるはずで、それを知るのが待ちきれない。
あと左がユルに、右がアサにカウンターしてたのがめっちゃ面白かった。
アサが「死んだ」って言ってたけど、彼女が「壊す」能力を持ってるってことは、ユルも死ぬか瀕死の経験をすれば能力に目覚めるって考えていいのかな?
それと使い魔の使い方も好き。亀で敵の逃走を防いだり尋問したりするのとか。あとガブリエル可愛すぎる🫶普通くん+10
Eunuchest
原文
Interesting. Hidari counters Yuru and Migi counters Asa. So they're not random village deities who just happen to guard Yuru
Asa made it look easy but I guess its usually more troublesome taking other people's demons
Ngl i felt bad for the 2 demons who attacked Gabby. They just looked so pitiful for some reason. Especially the nina tucker looking one
Jin and Gabby just pretty much wrecked noobs. Seems like most of them dont even have combat oriented daemons. The racoon daemons got spared at least
Lol at the dude with an arrow up his ass. They didnt even bother to remove it but removed the arrow from baldy
Welp accidentally killed the ringleader. Ngl i dont think it would've changed much anyway considering they killed most of the assailants. No one can fault the dude for killing the head honcho
Looks like Gabby have some handups with neglectful masters. Baldy almost lost his head
**考察くん翻訳**
- 左がユル、右がアサを担当ってことは、彼らは単なる村の守護神じゃないんだな。配置に意図があると見ていい。
- アサは簡単そうにやってたけど、他人の悪魔を奪うのは本来もっと面倒な作業なんだろうな。
- ギャビーを襲った2体の悪魔、特にニーナ・タッカーっぽいやつは妙に哀れだった。デザインからして悲壮感が漂ってる。
- ジンとギャビーは完全に初心者狩りしてたな。大半が戦闘向きの悪魔じゃなかったのが明らか。アライグマ悪魔だけは助かったのが救い。
- 矢が尻に刺さったままの奴には笑った。ハゲの矢は抜いてやったのに、差別かよ。
- 首謀者を誤って殺しちゃったけど、襲撃者ほぼ全滅させた時点で結果は変わらなかったと思う。首謀者殺しを責める奴はいないだろう。
- ギャビーはどうやら怠慢な主人に苦労してきたみたいだ。ハゲ、危うく首を落とされるところだったな。考察くん+12
happy-owls
I didn't expect Asa to be doing Team Rocket shenanigans.
確かにアサがロケット団みたいなことするとは思わなかったッ!感情くん+12
SciFiXhi
原文
Baldy is scary as hell, and not just because of his Daemons.
Speaking of which, the pairing of most Daemons makes sense to me, since they're either two distinct units or a clearly bipartite form (e.g. Gabriel being an upper and lower jaw, and [most likely] the Greed clone's twin katana). Baldy's Daemons don't seem to have that easy distinction. Is there a half of the Pair we haven't seen yet, or is the Pair an amalgam of the impenetrable darkness and the eye that rests within it?
ハゲ怖すぎるよな、デーモン抜きにしてもさ。
そういや大抵のデーモンは2つのユニットか明確に二分割できる形(ガブリエルは上下の顎、グリードのクローンの双刀とか)で納得いく組み合わせなんだけど、ハゲのデーモンはそういう区別がつかないんだよな。まだ見てない片割れがいるのか、それともあの闇とその中の目が合わさった融合体ってことなのか。普通くん+8
djthomp
原文
I can understand Asa disliking the village at least since they apparently raised her in the same cage the fake Asa was in after she escaped. It doesn't necessarily excuse attacking the village and slaughtering them but it does start to provide context.
Random attacker lady read the writing on the wall and wanted everybody to know she had named her partners. Quite understandable.
I like how Yoru being an archer has kept being relevant.
I am a bit disappointed we didn't see the sword dude who I'm pretty sure had two daemon swords do anything yet. I assume that'll come in time though, you don't make a character design like that and not use him.
アサが村嫌うの分かるわ、脱走後に偽アサと同じ檻で育てられたっぽいしな。村襲って虐殺するのは擁護できんけど、背景は見えてきた。
突然襲ってきた姐さん、壁の文字読んで「相棒に名前つけた」って自慢したかったんやろなwww分かるわ。
夜(ヨル)が弓使いって設定、ずっと生きてるの地味に好き。
剣の奴、確か二刀流の悪魔剣士だよな?活躍しなかったのはちょっと残念。でもああいうキャラデザなら後で何かやるやろ、多分な。2ちゃん+8
Ktulusanders
Did you miss the part where the village assassins killed her and took her eye? That's Kill Bill timing if I ever saw it
村の刺客に殺されて目を奪われたとこ見逃した?あれは間違いなく『キル・ビル』級のタイミングだよ普通くん+10
Luesal2
Her whole life in a village she was treated as an object, after she escaped they were after her trying to kill her. What other excuses you need? It's the villagers need some excuse about it being for greater good or something to just be considered human beings again.
せやな、村ではずっと道具扱いされてたんやろ。脱走した後も殺そうと追いかけてきてるし。村人どもが「より大きな善のため」とか言い訳してるだけやん。それで人間のふりしてるつもりか? 草生えるわwww2ちゃん+9
djthomp
We do not yet know that the entire village was in on that, until the story shows otherwise it's entirely possible that there were innocent civilians living there that died in the attack.
確かに村全体がグルだったとはまだ確定してないよな。 innocentな一般市民が巻き込まれて死んだ可能性も十分あるし、その点がしんどすぎるッ!感情くん+5
Radiancekov7
Yeah, you'd expect trained assassins to put up more of a fight when their village gets raided. The fact they just stand there and get shot/bitten in half just tells me I just watched a bunch of civilians get killed.
確かに、訓練された暗殺者なら襲撃された時もっと抵抗するはずだよね。ただ立って撃たれたり噛み千切られてるの見ると、ただの民間人が殺されたようにしか見えなかったわ。普通くん+6
Silent-Witness1888
I'm gonna enjoy rewatching this show in the future.
まじでこのアニメ、後で見直すの楽しみすぎるんだけど!やばくない!?ギャル+9
CrimsonGear80
that one guy with an arrow in his butt, lol
I hope they recruit that lady and her two cute little daemons.
お尻に矢が刺さってるあいつww草
あの姉ちゃんと可愛いツガイ2匹、仲間にできるといいンゴねぇ2ちゃん+10
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
原文
Yuru's really using his time in his prison realm(😉) to adjust his aim with his new bow. And despite the short training time, he still managed to be deadly with it. His weapon may be outdated to present standards, but in his hands, a weapon is still a weapon.
I also noticed that they mentioned someone named Hagure-sensei whose rage over any disturbance in his sleep is implied to be scarier than the murderous invaders, which is why they left him alone. I do wonder what his abilities are🤔.
And where exactly is Asuma? His disappearance during the attack when it was shown in the previous episode that he was keeping himself up to date with the goings-on in the compound isn't helping to quell the suspicion towards him at all. Only Akio, who was also supposedly keeping watch and was implied to keep an eye out for him, appeared but he killed their only source for clues. Did not expect him to be that frightening though.
No wonder the twins were sought after with how Asa can break not only tangible things, but also contracts between a Tsugai and their Master. Who knows what the full extent of her abilities are if such were the case.
ユルは牢獄空間で新たな弓の照準を調整してるみたいだな。短い訓練期間にも関わらず、致命的な精度を発揮してた。武器自体は現代基準だと時代遅れかもしれないけど、彼の手にかかればただの武器じゃないってことか。
あと、ハグレ先生って呼ばれてる奴がいるらしい。睡眠妨害に対する怒りが殺人鬼の侵略者より怖いって暗に示されてて、だから誰も彼に手を出さなかったみたいだ。能力が気になるな🤔。
それでアスマはどこにいるんだ?前回のエピソードでは敷地内の動向を把握してたのに、襲撃中に姿を消すのは疑念を晴らすどころか悪化させてるよ。見張り役で彼を監視してたはずのアキオだけが現れたけど、唯一の手がかりを殺しちゃったし。あそこまで恐ろしいキャラだとは思わなかった。
アサが物理的なものだけでなく、ツガイと主人の契約さえ破れるってのが、双子が狙われる理由だな。もしそんな能力の全容が明らかになったら、どんなことになるやら。普通くん+8
JJVM99
原文
Considering how dire the situation seemed at the end of the last episode that felt like an easy win.
The most interesting thing takeaway for is Asa breaking the daemon’s contract and the showing us how one is made. I am assuming you can only have a contract with 2 daemons at a time but she should keep these 2. It fits for a twin to have a ying yang daemon.
That Asa backstory better give me a very good reason to hate Higashii Village. I know they are building up to make me feel that way but it still hasn’t hit me. I’m on board on hating granny but still don’t see a reason for the rest.
Also want to mention one thing I have really liked over the past couple of episodes and one I have been disappointed in:
\- I really appreciate that daemons can be either these horrifying monsters or just a cute pet. They have done a really good job of making them likeable.
\- My biggest disappointment is the opening song. Since it is the same creator I have to compare to FMA Brotherhood which had 5 different openings and they were all amazing but this opening song is super generic and unmemorable. It is very disappointing imo.
前回のエピソード終盤はかなり絶望的な状況に見えたのに、あっさり勝利してしまったな。ちょっと拍子抜けだ。
今回の最大の収穫は、アサが悪魔の契約を破棄し、新たな契約の仕組みを見せてくれたことだ。おそらく同時に契約できるのは2体までだが、彼女はこの2体を維持すべきだ。双子に陰陽の悪魔が付くのは非常に象徴的で、作者の意図を感じる。
アサの過去編で、東村を憎むに足る理由をしっかり提示してほしい。伏線は張られているが、まだ感情移入しきれていない。ババアには憎悪の対象として納得できるが、村全体への憎しみが沸かない。
最近のエピソードで評価したい点と不満点:
- 悪魔が恐ろしい怪物にも可愛いペットにもなる表現の幅は秀逸。制作陣のキャラクター造形が光る。
- 最大の不満はOP曲。同じクリエイターなら鋼の錬金術師 FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST(全5曲全て名曲)と比較せざるを得ないが、今作のOPは極めて凡庸で印象に残らない。非常に残念だ。考察くん+7
L0CZEK
Agree about the opening, both song and the visuals are very underwhelming. The cover of the song by yama, who sings the ending, is much better.
確かに!OPは曲も映像も地味すぎじゃない?笑
でもエンディング歌ってるyamaのカバーver.はマジでいいよね!ギャル+9
AceSoldia
Crazy to just instantly break contracts of daemons like that..that'd be my go to move all the time if I was her
あんな風に契約を一瞬で破棄できるのやばすぎるな…あれができるなら俺も常にそれ使っちゃうわ普通くん+6
mekahamedan
"higashi village's assassins" asa died once, and hint yuru also get some treatment like asa (but good thing assassination to yuru didnt successful) that mean that village really fishy as fck, they send assassins to kill twins for whatever reason
「東村の暗殺者」って話やん。アサは一回死んでるし、ユルも同じような目に遭いかけた(でも暗殺は未遂で済んでよかったンゴ)。つまりあの村ガチで怪しすぎるわ。双子殺すために暗殺者送り込むとか、理由がヤバすぎるやろwww2ちゃん+7
Myrkrvaldyr
Left's reactions are pretty funny when silly things happen with Yuru. I like Gabby's daemons a lot. So far the village is clearly on the villain category, but we're still missing the key details.
Leftのユル相手のリアクション、ちょっとしたことでも笑えるんだけど!ギャビーの悪魔たちめっちゃ好き〜。今のところ村は完全に悪役ポジだけど、まだ核心の詳細は不明じゃん?ギャル+7
crystalblade13
Good episode but I’m still not going to let the show off the hook for literally everything about Gabby, and Yuru just accepting shit so easily. Dudes treating Gabby like she stole his Oreo’s. Not like she murdered eveyone he knew
良いエピソードだったが、俺はまだガビに関する全ての描写と、ユルがあまりに簡単に全てを受け入れている点については、この作品を許すつもりはない。ユルはガビを、まるでオレオを盗んだ程度の扱いで接しているが、彼女はユルの知り合い全員を殺したんだぞ。この温度差は意図的な演出なのか、それとも脚本の欠陥なのか、考察が分かれるところだな。考察くん+9
Radiancekov7
Same, I think a big part of it is that I just hold Arakawa to a higher standard, where in most other anime I would just have turned off my brain and gone "oh man those villagers got FUCKED gabby is SO COOL" here I just sit there, troubled by the dissonance of what she does vs how she's portrayed.
I might just have to turn my brain off tbh, but it feels a bit disappointing.
ワイもそれな。荒川先生にはどうしてもハードル上がっちゃうンゴ。他のアニメやったら脳死で「村人ボコボコにされてて草、ガビィ強すぎやろwww」で済ませられるのに、こっちはガビィの行動と描かれ方のギャップが気になってしゃーない。
脳みそオフにした方がいいんかもしれんけど、それってなんかガッカリやわ。2ちゃん+9
Accipiter1138
原文
Yeah, coming from FMAB, Ed and Hawkeye have a very serious discussion on killing people. Hawkeye may have killed people before, but she by no means treats it lightly, and takes responsibility for committing what she believes was a crime.
Just to put it into perspective, what happened in the village was the sort of thing that put Major Armstrong in a PTSD-related breakdown that caused him to be labeled a "coward" by the military.
I get that we don't have all the facts yet, but yeah, *dissonant* is really the right word.
確かに、鋼の錬金術師のエドとホークアイは人の生死に対してすごく真剣に向き合ってたもんな。ホークアイも過去に人を殺してるけど、それを軽く扱わず、自分の罪として責任を感じてた。
村であったことはアームストロング少佐がPTSDで breakdown するレベルの話だし、それで軍から「臆病者」ってレッテル貼られたわけだしね。
まだ全貌はわかってないけど、*違和感*って表現は確かに正しいと思う。普通くん+6
crystalblade13
Couldn’t agree more
確かに!鋼の錬金術師のあのシーン、エドとホークアイの殺人についての会話ヤバすぎるッ!ホークアイが過去に人を殺したかもしれないって重すぎて泣いた。感情くん+8
unkown_backslash
Very well said. I honestly think the worst thing done to this show for me was being told its the same creator as fma becasue now my expectations were far higher and thus are being let down that much harder.
確かに。正直この作品にとって一番悪かったのは「FMAと同じ作者」って言われたことだと思う。そのせいで期待値がめっちゃ上がっちゃって、その分ガッカリ感が強くなってる気がする。普通くん+6
BakedSalami
I think he gets that there's a lot of shit going on that he doesn't understand, so before he blows his lid and starts sticking arrows in people, he wants to be sure he's putting holes in the right people lol
確かに、ユルは自分が理解していないことが多々あると認識しているからこそ、感情的になって矢を放つ前に正しい相手を選ぼうとしているんだろうな。この冷静な判断はキャラクターの成長を示す伏線だと思われる。考察くん+6
crystalblade13
I’m sure that’s the intent of the show right now. It’s just his attitude and lack of desire to know why they killed everyone that’s the problem for me. He’s anime bickering with Gabi, when, at best he should be holding her at arrow point and demanding answers
確かに、それが今の作品の意図だと思う。ただ、彼の態度と「なぜみんなを殺したのか」を知ろうとしない姿勢が気になるな。ガビとアニメみたいに言い争ってる場合じゃなくて、せめて矢を向けて答えを迫るべきだと思うよ。普通くん+8
sandragonsand
I guess we know why there's a shot of Asa framed by spider lilies in the OP.
ああなるほど!OPでアサが彼岸花に囲まれてるカットの意味がやっと分かったわ…エモすぎるッ!感情くん+7
NationalStrategy
One day, Asa will get that hug
いつかアサもああいうハグをもらえる日が来るといいな普通くん+7
TWIMClicker
This might be my favorite ED outro of the year, which is crazy in a year that had Oshi no Ko. It’s soooo good.
やばくね!?今年のEDで一番好きかも!しかも推しの子もある年なのに!まじで神すぎるじゃん!ギャル+6
Tobsjo
Jin was good bait!
ジン、いい餌だったな!普通くん+6
Moxey616
Hey its Kimblee voiced by Mustang
えっキンブリーってマスタングの声優さんなの!?やばくね!?まじでびっくりしたんだけど笑ギャル+7
DragonPup
I'm really enjoying ~~Edward Elric~~ Gabby. Looking forward to seeing when she gets more dedicated screentime and backstory.
ガビィ(エドっぽいけどw)めっちゃ好きやわ。もっとスクリーンタイム増えて過去編とか来るの楽しみやで2ちゃん+6
NoHead1715
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Yuru in hunter mode is always a delight. Nice to see that bit about adjusting the bow.
Asa's Break power finally showing how dangerous it can be for other daemon wielders. No wonder people want to control the twins. If Seal is how I imagine it to be, it will be dangerous to daemons. The two powers combined can probably revert the world to one with no wielders and daemons all sealed within objects.
Gabby looks like she has some trauma as well. Might re-contextualize why she was so ruthless at the village. Next week's backstory will be very interesting.
ユルがハンターモードになるときはいつも最高だね。弓を調整するあの描写も良かった。
アサの「破壊」の力が他の使い手にとっても危険だってようやくわかってきたな。だから双子を支配したがる人たちがいるのも納得だ。「封印」が俺の想像通りなら、悪魔にとって危険すぎる。二つの力を合わせれば、おそらく世界から使い手を消し去り、悪魔をすべて器物に封印し直せるんだろうな。
ギャビーも何かトラウマを抱えてそうだ。それなら村での彼女の冷酷さも違った意味で見えてくる。来週の過去話がすごく楽しみ。普通くん+6
MRMAN1225
What a mean place to end the episode, I have to wait a whole week now. Daemons is definitely going to be one of my favourite anime this year
やばくね!?ここで終わるとかまじで待ちきれないじゃん!笑
Daemons、今年のベストアニメ候補だわ〜!ギャル+5
Frostbitten_Moose
I'm not gonna call it as good as FMA until it's much further along. But it has the potential. Granted, FMA is one of those rarities, a reasonably tight story that stuck the landing, so YnT is gonna have to do that too. but if it does, then it too shall have a Full Metal Soul.
FMAと同列に語るのはまだ早いわな。でもポテンシャルは感じるンゴ。FMAは最後まで綺麗に着地した稀有な作品やし、黄泉のツガイもそこまで行かんと。でももしやれたら、それこそ鋼の魂を持つってことやろな。2ちゃん+5
tapdancinghellspawn
I'm not dissing FMA. I've watched both version about five or more times each.
鋼の錬金術師をdisってるわけじゃないよ。両方のバージョンそれぞれ5回以上見てるんだ。普通くん+6
SituationWitty2192
If you search for 「黄泉」, you will find some things related to death.
The underworld of Chinese mythology,Japan also uses this term, but it differs culturally.
まじで「黄泉」で検索すると死に関するやつ出てくるじゃん!中国神話の冥界だけど、日本でも使われてるんだよね〜でも文化的にはちょっと違うんだって!やばくね?ギャル+6