+1678
StrawSolider
Asa aura farming in those first two episodes with the eye patch and long trench coat only for her to be an open and proud bro-con is so funny
アサ、最初の2話で眼帯にロングトレンチコートでオーラ出しまくってたのに、実は堂々としたブラコンだったのめっちゃ笑えるわ普通くん+424
IXajll
I thought the “can we hug” would be a one-off but I really like how she proceeded to bring it up again and again. Here’s hoping she *does* end up getting her hugs, preferably sooner rather than later.
I’m also a big fan of her VA choice. That soft voice feels like a sort of gap moe considering her badass girl boss impression.
まあ「ハグしていい?」が一回ネタかと思ったけど、何度も繰り返し持ち出すのが面白いな。早めにちゃんとハグさせてやってほしいもんだ。
声優のチョイスも悪くない。あのクールな印象とのギャップで、柔らかい声がいい塩梅に効いてる。ドライおじ+267
StrawSolider
>she proceeded to bring it up again
In front of other people too lol
他人の前でもそれやるんか草www2ちゃん+96
Zeph-Shoir
I honestly love that she keeps asking for hugs from her long lost brother. It is kinda sad.
「それな!!」
ずっと離れ離れだった兄にハグおねだりし続けるの、めっちゃエモいし可愛いけど、ちょっと切なくもなる…ッ!感情くん+85
Ragna666
There’s also the case of their parents being missing. Girl must have been feeling very lonely.
せやな…両親も行方不明で兄貴もいなくなって、そりゃ寂しいよな。ハグ求めるのワイも可愛いと思うわ。ちょっと切ないンゴね😢2ちゃん+41
Lunchb0xx87
Just hug her man
「抱きしめてやれよマジで」って思わず声出たわ!彼女が何度も「抱きしめていい?」って聞いてくるの可愛すぎるし、その度に主人公が照れてるのエモすぎるッ!早くハグしてやれって何度も思ったよ!感情くん+68
CopyFew4583
she did kill his village
まあ村を滅ぼした本人だしな。簡単にハグできる相手じゃないだろう。ドライおじ+109
AceSoldia
So very funny..Gabby wondering when she became girly is hilarious
確かに。最初の方はアイパッチとトレンチコートでオーラ出しまくりだったのに、あのギャップは面白すぎるわ。ガビの「いつから女の子っぽくなったんだ」って困惑も笑える。普通くん+106
mythriz
"is this a fake Asa just like the one in that village"
「これってあの村の偽アサと同じパターンじゃね!?まじやばくない!?笑」ギャル+14
nqtoan1994
She had started to leak her brocon side with how joyful and proudful her voice was when saying "My brother has mentality of a hunter" to Jin back in episode 2. But the brocon-ness is totally unfiltered this episode 😆
2話でジンに「兄はハンターの精神を持っている」と言った時のあの誇らしげで嬉しそうな声、あの時点で既にブラコン成分が漏れ出してたんだよな。でも今回のエピソードでそのブラコン度合いが完全にフィルターなしで炸裂してるわw 制作陣、彼女のキャラを段階的に開示する構成が上手い。考察くん+64
Se7en_Sinner
I wonder why Yuru didn't ask about the eyepatch. Maybe Asa is just in a very pirate time of her life.
確かに!ユルが眼帯のこと聞かないの気になるじゃん?笑 てかアサがパイレーツ時代に入ってるだけ説、めっちゃアリだと思うんだけど!wギャル+58
Hounds_of_war
I mean there are a lot of questions they need to get around to, they just got interrupted. “Where are mom and dad” just took first priority.
確かに、訊く間もなく遮られてしまったでござるな。親の行方という大義が最優先、それも道理である。武士+106
FlameDragoon933
Gap moe done right
ギャップ萌えがガチで決まってて草
眼帯トレンチコートで威風堂々→実はオープンで誇り高き性格…ワイこういうの大好きやわ2ちゃん+8
alconnow
Close enough, welcome back Nina Tucker!
やばっ!ニーナ・タッカー再来じゃん!笑ギャル+420
mr_bgi
With Gabby being literally female Ed...
"Ed...ward...let's...play"
「それな!!ガビが完全に女体化エドじゃん…」
「エド…ワード…一緒に…遊ぼ…」ってあのシーン思い出して無理すぎるッ!感情くん+202
ModieOfTheEast
On a similar note, welcome back Edward. When Yuri was complaining about being smaller than Asa, I had to think this is exactly what Ed would say.
ふむ、確かに。ユリがアサより背が低いと嘆く様、まさにエドワードそのものであったな。よう戻られた、エドワード殿。武士+113
Vanek_26
For the same reason too - Ed was small because Al was taking a large portion of his nutritional/caloric input so he didn't grow much, and Yuru is shorter cause Asa had modern nutrition.
せやな、エドもアルに栄養取られてデカくなれんかったし、ユルもアサに現代の栄養取られてチビって同じ理由やな草2ちゃん+41
heartbreakhill
Ed was short because he wouldn’t drink his fucking milk.
それな、エドがチビなのは単にミルク飲まなかったからだよね。普通くん+6
CitronClassic672
Glad I’m not the only one who immediately got that vibe
やばっ!私だけじゃなかったんだwww 確かにそれな!ギャル+66
DragonPup
Same
確かに同じこと思ったわ普通くん+5
poketrainersd
Am I the only one who thought this was a Berserk reference with the horse monster?? Made me feel a lot more uncomfortable than a Nina reference would.
草、馬のモンスター見て俺だけベルセルク思い出したのかよw ニーナの引用よりよっぽど気まずかったわ笑wwwおじ+46
goffer54
They're probably Mezuki and Gozuki.
あーそれ確かに!馬のモンスター見てベルセルク思い出した人結構いそうじゃん?笑
てかメズキとゴズキ説、まじでありえるかも〜!ギャル+23
hanmkim
Right around the same episode number too.
確かに、話数も同じくらいのタイミングだよね。普通くん+29
extralie
They reminds me more of Ludwig from Bloodborne. lol
確かに……奴らはまさに『ブラッドボーン』のルートヴィヒを想起させる存在だ。笑中二病+9
Mercrist_089
Elden Ring lion dancers
確かにエルデンリングのライオンダンサーっぽいわ笑普通くん+7
Lunchb0xx87
Noooooooo I thought the same too
草ァ!ワイも同じこと思ったわwww
でもそれは言っちゃダメやろwww2ちゃん+5
DarkWolfPL
How can Hidari be so baddass in one scene and than this in the next? I love her.
Migi is cool too.
左のあのシーンでかっこよすぎて、次のシーンでこれかよw でも好きだわw
右もクールだな笑wwwおじ+313
Hounds_of_war
She gives me a lot of big cat vibes.
確かに。ヒダリは大きな猫っぽい雰囲気あるよね。ミギもかっこいいし。普通くん+123
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
Well Left and Right are stone lions.
確かに!左右って狛犬みたいなもんだし、デカ猫感すごいわかるッ!感情くん+105
RimeSkeem
Yup and their hair styles are both very similar to a lion's mane or a lion pelt mantle.
それな!しかも髪型がライオンのたてがみとか毛皮のマントみたいでまじやばくない!?笑笑ギャル+28
FirstDagger
Gap moe done right.
ギャップ萌えの正しい使い方だよね。普通くん+110
Andt-94
I think its Hidari, not Higari.
草、Hidariやん!HigariじゃなくてHidariやで。でもマジでHidariのカッコよさと可愛さのギャップやばすぎンゴwww ワイも大好きやわ2ちゃん+46
DarkWolfPL
I went to MAL to make sure how to write it and still did it wrong.
確かに!俺もMALで確認したのに間違えてたわ…恥ずかしすぎるッ!感情くん+35
Myrkrvaldyr
It's easier to just learn those JP words since that's what they're using as their names. Migi (右) means right, think of Migi from Parasyte if you've watched it, same logic. Hidari (左) means left. Together they're called 左右 sayuu, Yuru respectfully calls them sayuu-sama.
確かに、日本語そのまま覚えた方が楽だよね。右(Migi)は「右」って意味で、寄生獣のミギーを思い浮かべれば分かりやすい。左(Hidari)は「左」。合わせて「左右(sayuu)」で、ユルが敬称つけて「左右様」って呼んでるのも納得。普通くん+46
tripleaamin
Well, if you speak Japanese, then obviously you'd refer to them as 左(ひだり)(Left) and 右(みぎ)(Right).
せやな、日本語わかるなら「左(ひだり)」と「右(みぎ)」って呼ぶのが当然やろな。ワイもそう呼んでるわ。2ちゃん+11
Sacrilege7
LMAO Left running with her arms closed all the time.
笑ったwwずっと腕組んで走ってるのウケるww感情くん+311
randomisawesome
She must aura farm. At all times.
それな!常にオーラまとってるじゃん笑ギャル+170
abandoned_idol
ㆆ\_ㆆ
せやな、常にオーラ出しまくってるやんwww 草2ちゃん+26
Se7en_Sinner
This is probably more difficult than running normally. It must be part of her training.
確かに腕を組んで走るのって普通に走るより難しそうだよね。彼女のトレーニングの一環なんだろうな。普通くん+165
Sameul_
Its like the opposite of a Naruto run.
草、ナルト走りの真逆やんwww2ちゃん+86
Se7en_Sinner
Opposite of a Naruto run is the Devilman Crybaby run. This is like somewhere in the middle ground.
確かに。ナルト走りの逆はデビルマンクライベイビー走りだよね。これはその中間って感じだな。普通くん+61
Gil_Demoono
Pick an apple. Put it in your pocket.
わかるわかる!ナルト走りとデビルマンクライン走りの間って感じだよね。リンゴポケットに入れて走る感じ?笑 なんかシュールすぎるんだけど!ギャル+10
ArvingNightwalker
JP usually refers to this as the 十傑集走り
確かに、日本だとこれを十傑集走りって呼ぶことが多いね。普通くん+5
CitronClassic672
Must. Maintain. Aura
「走るのを止められない。オーラを保たなきゃ。無理すぎるッ!」感情くん+24
FarCritical
I feel like she'd pick up cossack squat dancing pretty easily
確かに、彼女ならコサックダンスもすぐに覚えそうだよね。普通くん+15
karer3is
If the portrayals from the ED are accurate, I suspect it has more to do with motion control than anything else...
EDの描写が正確なら、動きの制御の問題やろな…2ちゃん+5
trinitynox
Did the author really have to bring the trauma of Ninalexander back with the daemon designs ;~;
やばくね!?まさか作者、デーモンのデザインでニナアレクサンダーのトラウマぶり返させるなんてやばすぎんだけど泣けるわ;;ギャル+255
Se7en_Sinner
Hopefully, Gabby will be playing the part of Scar.
せやな、ガビがスカー役やるんか。ちょっと期待しとるで。2ちゃん+83
sheepyowl
I'm still surprised at how nobody mentioned that she is a psycho murderer yet after what she did in the village.
They called Yuru merciless for not killing her, after she basically killed literally everyone she met before him. She's a monster, and Yuru would be right to aim at the heart instead of hitting plot armor.
確かに、村での彼女の行動を誰も指摘しないのは驚きだな。作中で出会った人間をほぼ全員殺害している時点で、彼女は明確なサイコパス殺人鬼と定義できる。ユルが彼女を殺さなかったのを「無慈悲」と批判するのは逆で、むしろユルが正気を保っているのが奇跡に近い。ユルが心臓を狙う判断は、物語のご都合主義を避けるためにも理にかなった選択だったという考察ができる。考察くん+9
a1oner_bvcksn6
I honestly thought those daemons at Gabby's door looked more like horses-heads--think Misuzu from Natsume's book of friends--but after looking at them again, I do get why some might get such flashbacks lmao
確かに、最初に見た時は夏目友人帳のミスズっぽいなと思ったんだけど、よく見ると確かにニナレックサンダーのトラウマを思い出す人もいるのもわかるわ笑普通くん+32
Constipated_Llama
yeah the first thing that came to my mind was a certain horse from Berserk
それな!俺も最初に思ったのバーサクのあの馬だったわ。感情くん+12
GoNinGoomy
Yes, we had to pass the trauma along to the next generation.
それな!!まじで作者さん容赦なさすぎじゃね?笑 でもそうやってツラさを次世代にバトンタッチするのが黄泉のツガイの醍醐味ってやつかもね〜ギャル+6
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
原文
Despite being five episodes in, I still can't figure out whose group to trust because just when I thought we'll have two opposing factions (Higashi Village folk and the Kagemoris), we're also introduced to a third one this episode. And a rather aggressive one too.
Asuma's appearance is so blatantly suspicious and is framed in such a way that points to him being involved in the attack. But then I remembered that this show did some bait and switch from the start, so I wouldn't put it past them if he turned out to be innocent. I do wonder what his role is going to be though🤔.
I kinda dig how sensible of an MC Yuru is and it's refreshing he handles things with some rationality. Unfortunately for Asa, the road to gaining Yuru's trust is going to be a long one with how much the guy went through. He's ought to foster some trust issues at this rate.
5話まで進んでも、どのグループを信じればいいかまだわからないよ。東の村と影守の二派閥対立かと思いきや、今度は第三勢力が出てきたし、しかも結構攻撃的だしね。
アスマの登場は明らかに怪しくて、襲撃に関わってるように見せかけてる。でもこの作品、最初からミスリードが多かったから、実は無実ってオチもあり得るな。彼の役割が気になるわ🤔
ユルが主人公として結構分別あるのがいいね。理性的に行動するのが新鮮だ。でもアサがユルの信頼を得るのは長い道のりになりそうだな。あれだけの経験をしたら、そりゃトラウマにもなるわ。普通くん+255
mekerpan
原文
I think it is safe to think that the village was inherently sketchy, After all, the parents felt it essential to escape with Asa. And the village sent assassins after them. And it created some sort of monster to masquerade as Asa (to make sure Yuru remained compliant). The Kagemori clan seems sketchy too (was the large-scale massacre required -- were ordinary farmers implicated in the decisions of the village leaders), And now yet another group appears -- that seems even more sketchy, Lots still to find out. I can't imagine this season will be more than a prologue to the story,
村は根本的に胡散臭かったと見て間違いないだろう。何しろ両親はアサを連れて逃げる必要を感じていたし、村は追手を送ってきた。ユルを従順に保つためにアサの偽物を作り出す怪物まで生み出していた。カゲモリ一族も怪しい(大規模な虐殺は本当に必要だったのか?村長たちの決定に一般の農民は関与していたのか?)。そして今また新たな勢力が現れたが、それもさらに怪しい。まだ判明していないことが山ほどある。今期は物語のプロローグに過ぎないとしか思えないな。考察くん+201
Zeph-Shoir
> And now yet another group appears
It might not even be "another" group, the Kagemori clan seems to be a very big with a surprising amount of members and this is their territory, having traitors isn't out of the questions and adds extra tension to the "who can we even trust" problem we already have.
確かに。単に「別の」グループってわけじゃなくて、カゲモリ一族は結構でかい組織で縄張りもあるし、裏切り者が出てもおかしくないよね。ますます「誰を信じていいのか」問題がややこしくなってる感じがする。普通くん+106
oops_i_made_a_typi
yeah clearly Asuma and Jin aren't on great terms with each other so who knows what else is around. that being said, Gabby said she didn't recognize the nina tucker looking demons so that's something
わかる~!アスマとジン、絶対仲悪いじゃん!他にどんなヤバい連中がいるかわかんないよね笑
てかギャビーがニナ・タッカーっぽい悪魔たち知らないって言ってたの、ちょっと気になる~ギャル+53
HazyMirror
I can’t get over them getting brutally murdered! I wanna like Gabi but I just keep thinking back to that first episode
せやな、村は最初から怪しかったンゴね。でもまさかあんな惨殺されるとは思わんかったわ…ワイもガビのこと好きになりたいんやけど、初回のあのシーンが頭から離れへんンゴwww2ちゃん+55
HornedTurtle1212
I agree, her interactions with Asa have been very endearing.
Edit: spelling mistake.
確かに、彼女とアーサの交わりは運命の歯車が織りなす甘美な調べよ。我が魂もその絆に震えるのだ。中二病+7
tanezuki
原文
" And it created some sort of monster to masquerade as Asa (to make sure Yuru remained compliant). "
Isn't that a daemon to that grandma ? Would make sense to me with how it protected her when she was thrown away to a wall.
" Lots still to find out. I can't imagine this season will be more than a prologue to the story,"
Ngl I hate and love that because this is basically like AOT and one of the few animes I had to read the manga once the S1 was over because I had to learn more about it. With how AOT took like 4 years for a S2, I'm glad I switched for that one but then the anime is kinda less surprising, obviously.
確かに村は最初から怪しかったよね。親が逃げる必要を感じてた時点で察しがつく。
- ユルを従順に保つためにアサの偽物を作ったって話、あれってあの婆さんの悪魔なんじゃない?壁に投げ飛ばされた時守ってたし、それで納得いく。
- まだ謎が多いし、今期はプロローグで終わりそう。進撃の巨人みたいに1期終わったら漫画読まなきゃってなった作品の一つだわ。進撃はS2まで4年かかったから読んで正解だったけど、アニメの驚きは減ったな。普通くん+35
Youssay123
If that's the grandma's daemon then what's the other one? They come in pairs right?
あ、それおばあちゃんのデーモンだとしたらもう1体は何なの!?ペアで存在するって話じゃなかったっけ?やばくね!?笑ギャル+11
mekerpan
Good theory.
なるほど、その理論はありだね。普通くん+7
Zaku0083
> And the village sent assassins after them.
That's what Asa believes, it might not have been them after all.
I am interested in finding out what this third group is...
>>しかも村から追手の刺客まで送り込んでたって話やろ
それはアサの推測に過ぎんし、実際は別の連中かもしれへんで。
ワイはこの第三勢力が何者か気になるンゴ……2ちゃん+30
justsyr
>The Kagemori clan seems sketchy too (was the large-scale massacre required -- were ordinary farmers implicated in the decisions of the village leaders)
I think that they probably believe that the villagers are all in it with the plot to keep Yuru and of course having assassins from the village coming after the sister and the clan.
Didn't they spare kids from killing?
影守一族も胡散臭いよな(大規模な虐殺は必要だったのか?村の指導者の決定に一般の農民まで巻き込まれたのか)。おそらく彼らは村人全員がユルを囲い込む陰謀に関与していると見なして、妹と一族を狙って刺客を送り込んだんだろうな。ただ、子供たちは殺戮の対象から外したと見られる。1話の伏線を踏まえると、この選択が後々の展開に効いてくる可能性が高い。考察くん+13
SkyKoli
I can understand not being sure who in the village is in on the plot or not and just killing anyone putting up a resistance, but murdering someone who appears to be a fleeing mother trying to protect their child right in front of said child? It's pretty sketch at the least.
And Gabby called Yuru merciless. >.>
確かに村の誰が共犯か分からなくて抵抗する奴を殺すのはまだ理解できるけど、逃げる母親を子供の目の前で殺すのは完全にヤバいよね。最低でも怪しすぎる。
しかもガビィがユルを非情って言ったんだよな…。普通くん+41
tripleaamin
原文
>Despite being five episodes in, I still can't figure out whose group to trust because just when I thought we'll have two opposing factions (Higashiyama folk and the Kagemoris), we're also introduced to a third one this episode. And a rather aggressive one too.
Honestly, I like that because it keeps you on your toes as you are waiting for answers. For Yuru to have a debate that Higashi Village is where he grew up, but they lied about Asa as the fake kept him in the village.
Kagemori holds the real Asa, who is actual family to him. On the flip side, they did attack their home.
せやな、確かに。
5話まで進んでも「誰を信じていいかわからん」っての、ガチで草。
東山勢と影森家の二派閥かと思ったら、まさかの第三勢力登場でワイも混乱したわ。
でもそれが逆に「次どうなるンゴ?」ってワクワクさせるんよな。
ユルからすれば東の村は育った場所やけど、アサに関しては嘘つかれてたし。
影森は実の家族である本物のアサを抱えてるけど、一方で家を攻めてきたのも事実。
どっちも正義っぽく見えて、実はグレーってのがたまらんわ。2ちゃん+61
tanezuki
"I kinda dig how sensible of an MC Yuru is and it's refreshing he handles things with some rationality."
The fact he still didn't ask at all why did they kill villagers is a bit too naive to me. Like, the ENTIRE village is inside on this ?
確かにユルは理性的な主人公で好感が持てる。ただ、村人を殺した理由を一切問いたださないのは少し無邪気すぎる気がするな。村全体がこの件に加担しているという考察もできる。考察くん+41
drunkenvalley
I mean there's literally too many questions, and to a point I suspect Yuru's pragmatism accepts that it's essentially a gang war.
確かに、ユルの合理的な判断は良いよね。でも正直、疑問点が多すぎるし、ある意味ユルは実利的に「これはギャングの抗争だ」って割り切ってるんじゃないかなって思う。普通くん+48
Zeph-Shoir
I would like to think they simply got interrupted this time so they will get there, but it is gonna nag me off a lot until they acknowledge this.
確かにユルのキャラはまじで好感持てるよね!理性的な主人公って新鮮じゃん?
で、今回も邪魔入っちゃったけど、そのうちちゃんと向き合う展開になるんかな?それまでモヤモヤが止まらんのよマジで笑ギャル+30
tanezuki
To me that question was top priority "Why did you slaughter villagers during the attack if I was your only target"
確かにそれは気になるな。「俺だけが標的なら、なんで襲撃の時に村人を虐殺したんだ」って部分が一番の疑問だよね。普通くん+18
Maybe_this_time_fr
Yeah it's fucking crazy. Gabby massacred the villagers, including a mom trying to protect her child.
それな!まじでやばすぎじゃん?ガビが子供守ろうとしてた母親含めて村人虐殺したとかヤバすぎるんだけど笑ギャル+6
Vane_999
原文
honestly same. For now I'm trusting Yuru only. I mean, the village was sketchy af, but asa and the kagemoris were the one who killed people in the village in front of their kids, and I don't fully trust Dera, etc either. And now we have another faction, not to mention that asuma is suspicious too.
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I kinda dig how sensible of an MC Yuru is and it's refreshing he handles things with some rationality.
Same. I'm glad the protagonist isn't THAT stupid 😆
本当にそう思う。現時点では俺もユルのみを信用している。村はかなり怪しかったけど、アサとカゲモリたちは子供の目の前で村人を殺害した張本人だし、デラも全面的には信用できない。そこに新たな派閥も登場したし、アスマも怪しいからね。
>
ユルが常識人で、合理的に物事を処理してくれるのが新鮮でいい。
それな。主人公がそこまでバカじゃなくて良かったわ。考察くん+29
Skithana
原文
Honestly both groups overall feel kinda shady.
I'd say Asa, Yuru, Gabby, the 3 suit guys, and the 2 acting as the guy's parent's seem like the only "trustworthy" group of people for now, they definitely give off those "main crew" vibes (tho bald guy has *slight* traitor vibes, mainly because of the lack of emotion), anyone outside of that is still very much tbd.
Old guy from the Kagemori's looks like it could be a coin flip right now, he could be either ultra nice/ strong old guy type character actually trying to protect them, or old guy that looks nice but is actually the (or one of the) main antagonist/ mastermind.
確かに両陣営とも胡散臭いよね。今のところはアサ・ユル・ギャビー・スーツの3人組・両親役の2人が唯一信用できそうな“主人公チーム”って感じ(でもハゲの奴は無表情すぎてちょっと裏切りそうな雰囲気あるんだよな)。それ以外はまだまだ未知数。影森のじいさんは超良い人系の保護者キャラか、それとも実は黒幕かのコイントス状態だな。普通くん+20
CaptAwesomeness
Gabby the murdered of mums and traumatizer of children is... trustworthy?
ギャビィが母親殺しで子どもトラウマ製造機って……信頼できるってマジ?無理すぎるッ!感情くん+18
Skithana
原文
Ah sorry I was talking more on a meta sense, that's why I said "trustworthy" in quotation marks, I meant that she's just likely not one of the "bad guys" of the series or is unlikely to be secretly "evil" (antagonistic), mainly because she has looks and characteristics that primary characters tend to have in this type of series aka "main crew vibes".
Now if you want less meta reasons, for starter so far it seems like she and Asa are close friends so she might be less on the Kagemori's side and more on Asa's side, meaning she less likely to betray her and more likely to stick on Asa's side should the Kagemori and Asa end up at odds with each other
Besides, we already know the mountain people were a weird (potentially evil) cult clan thing, who's to say who was or wasn't in on the whole thing, the old woman and fake Asa seemed all nice and innocent but they certainly weren't, and real Asa herself went in there with the intent of wiping out the whole village, so we don't yet truly know exactly how "evil" Gabby's actions really were.
We *do* know that she doesn't kill kids which means at the *veeery* least she's not an evil psycho murder hobo, and going back to the meta sense, I've seen much worse be forgiven/ forgotten in various other similar type of anime, I mean even if those people were innocent, it could always be explained by saying she and Asa were tricked/ lied to by the Kagemori clan, as long as they're regretful they'll be "redeemed".
Lastly, even without a "redemption", most of the characters so far seem to be morally grey at best and don't appear to mind getting blood on their hands, so as long as they can get Yuru to forgive her (or at least not want to kill her) then there should be no issue with her being a "trustworthy ally" to the main crew.
あー、ワイはメタ的な意味で言ってたンゴ。「信頼できる」ってカギカッコつけたのは、あの女がシリーズの「悪役」じゃなさそうって意味や。つまり「主要キャラ感」ある見た目と特徴持ってるからな。
メタ抜きにしても、まずアサと仲良さそうやし、影森側よりアサ側につくやろ。影森とアサが対立したら裏切らんと思うわ。
それに山の連中は変なカルト集団やったし、誰がグルか分からんやん。婆さんや偽アサは優しそうに見えて違ったし、本物のアサだって村皆殺しに来てたしな。ガビィの行動がどんだけ「悪」かはまだ分からん。
少なくとも子供は殺さないから、最低限サイコ野郎では無い。もっと酷いキャラが許されてるアニメも見てきたし、影森に騙されたって設定でいくらでもリカバリ効くやろ。
最後に、仮に「更生」無くても、今のキャラは大体グレーゾーンやし血に染まるの厭わん奴らばっかや。ユルが許せば(少なくとも殺したいと思わなければ)問題なく「信頼できる仲間」になれるわ。2ちゃん+10
Accipiter1138
I don't even know if I trust the suit guys. Jin casually mentioned that his daemons were useful for hijackings and terrorism.
Like wait WHAT. Back up for a second, there- how often is he doing terror attacks? Often, or just mostly doing a 9-5 office job with occasional consulting for Aum Shinrikyo?
スーツの連中も正直信用できないな。ジンが何気なく「自分のツガイはハイジャックやテロに使える」って言ってたんだ。
いやちょっと待て、今なんて言った? 一歩下がって考え直す必要がある——彼はどれくらいの頻度でテロ行為をやってるんだ? 頻繁なのか、それとも基本的には9時5時のオフィスワークで、たまにオウム真理教的なコンサルをやってるだけなのか?考察くん+10
HornedTurtle1212
I thought he meant dealing with hijackings and terrorists. Not engaging in those things.
「え、まさか乗っ取りとかテロを“やる”方の意味だったの!? 俺てっきり“対処する”方だと思ってたわ… ジン怖すぎるッ!」感情くん+15
Zolo49
Honestly, both groups seem a little sketchy to me. It seems like there's good people on both sides, but both "grandma" in her village and "grandpa" in his mansion seem extremely suspicious to me.
確かに両陣営とも微妙だよね。村の「おばあちゃん」も屋敷の「おじいちゃん」も、どっちも怪しく見える。善人っぽい人もいるけどさ。普通くん+8
FarCritical
"Did they fall from the dragon *from the plane*?"
It's endearing how Yuru clearly sort of gets it but is still a little confused lol
There's something uniquely hype (and lowkey scary) about an ancient archer who's a beast with oldschool tech getting handed a modern bow.
「彼ら、あの飛行機にいた龍から落ちたってことか?」
ユルはなんとなく理解してるっぽいけどまだちょっと混乱してる感じが可愛いよなw
古代の弓使いが、昔ながらの技術で猛威を振るってる状態で最新式の弓を手渡される展開には、独特の高揚感(そしてちょっとした怖さ)があるんだよな。考察くん+224
SciFiXhi
Yuru would go stupid on a compound bow.
ユルがコンパウンドボウ使ったらやばそうだな。普通くん+123
Zolo49
Once he's had a proper chance to get used to one, absolutely.
まじそれ!ユルがコンパウンドボウに慣れたらやばすぎるじゃん笑ギャル+56
Andy_Liberty_1911
Give him the Rambo explosive ones
ユルにランボーの爆発矢持たせたらやばそうだな。普通くん+21
SSjjlex
原文
> There's something uniquely hype (and lowkey scary) about an ancient archer who's a beast with oldschool tech getting handed a modern bow.
Not the exact same thing (esp between english and japanese archery methods), but this is a very fun video about a traditional english longbowman trying out a modern super compound bow for the first-ish time. The draw mechanics are quite different so he will need quite a bit of time to learn the differences but the power is certainly there esp on the lower end.
「伝統的な技術に長けた古代の射手が現代の弓を手にする」ってシチュエーション、確かに熱くてちょっと怖くもあるよね。
全く同じではないけど(特に和弓と洋弓の射法の違いは大きい)、伝統的なイングリッシュロングボウの使い手が初めてモダンコンパウンドボウを試す動画は結構面白い。引き方のメカニズムが全然違うから、その差を覚えるには時間がかかるだろうけど、特に低い引き幅でのパワーは確かにあるな。考察くん+29
EXusiai99
There's a video ive seen with tribal African archers trying out modern bows.
Funnily enough they are more interested with the arrows. The precise nature of modern arrowheads is not something that stick and stones alone could achieve.
確かにユルのちょっとズレてるけど理解してる感じが可愛いな。
昔見た動画でアフリカの部族の弓使いが現代の弓を試すやつがあってさ。面白いことに彼らは矢の方にすごく興味を持ってたんだよね。現代の矢じりの精密さは、棒と石だけじゃ到底作れないもんな。普通くん+22
Frostbitten_Moose
As someone who's studying Japanese right now, one of my favourite things is that there's a lot of English loanwords that you'll cover as basic vocab. Yuru knows none of them and always gets a bit confused when they come up while no one else does. there's more words than that that he doesn't get, (like airplane) but it's a small thing that brings a smile to my face.
ワイも日本語勉強中なんやけど、「飛行機」とかのカタカナ語をユルが全然知らんの草www
みんなは当然のように通じとるのに、ユルだけ「?」ってなるギャップが可愛すぎてニヤけるわ
飛行機以外にも知らん単語いっぱいあるっぽいけど、そういう細かいとこがまた良いンゴねぇ2ちゃん+17
foestablsmts
One of the demons looking inside Gab’s room looks like Nina Tucker chimera from Full metal alchemist brotherhood!
ガブの部屋を覗いてる悪魔の1体、鋼の錬金術師FAのニーナ・タッカーのキメラっぽいんだよな!普通くん+176
TheMechanic04
Bruh I was happy being ignorant of this detail lol
「それな!知らなかった頃の自分に戻りたい笑」感情くん+58
WillOfTheSon
tbh it stood out so much it was burned in my brain when I saw it
確かに、見た瞬間に脳裏に焼きつくレベルで目立ってたわ普通くん+35
CitronClassic672
And the other looked like the fucking Cart Titan
それなwww もう片方は進撃の巨人の車力の巨人やんけ!草生えるわ2ちゃん+11
KanyeBetOnTrump
The rabbit is funny af
あのウサギ、めっちゃ面白いんだよね普通くん+156
Eunuchest
Scavenger sure is convinient for cleaning
Hare and Tortoise made Left and Right insecure. Hare being smug was funny too
Bald dude may have strong demons or at least really big ones
Give Asa her hugs
That 1 demon who ambushed Gabby look like the Chimera girl-dog from FMA. I didnt need that reminded
That bow Yuru used seems like a toy one tho
What a cliffhanger
【翻訳】
・スカベンジャー掃除に便利すぎやろwww
・ウサギとカメのせいで左右がビビってたな。ウサギのドヤ顔が草生えた
・ハゲの野郎、強い悪魔持ってるかデカいの持ってそうやん
・アーサにはハグしてやれ
・ギャビー襲った悪魔、鋼の錬金術師のキメラ女犬に似てて草。思い出したくなかったわ
・ユルの弓、おもちゃみたいやな
・続き気になりすぎるやろこれ2ちゃん+151
Se7en_Sinner
I like how daemons come in pairs and have a collective name. It's impressive how Arakawa is able to create two complementary daemons for each user.
確かに。デーモンがペアで共通の名前を持つ設定いいよね。荒川先生が使用者ごとに補完し合う2体のデーモンを創り出せるの、すごいと思う。普通くん+76
tanezuki
I found Jin's deamons when we first saw him hilarious because they're literally a male and female anglerfishes and the way males become basically just a wart made of their balls is pretty funny to think about.
それなwww ジンのツガイ初見で草生えたわ
雄と雌のチョウチンアンコウやんけ
雄が最終的にタマの塊みたいなイボになるって考えると笑い止まらんwww2ちゃん+44
Zeph-Shoir
So far Scavenger is my favorite one, their complimentary and opposite designs and powers are on point.
確かにスカベンジャーは現時点で一番好きだわ。お互いを補完し合うデザインと能力が完璧だと思う。普通くん+22
Zolo49
Yuru is used to a short bow, so it's not surprising he'd be a little unsure of a contraption like a composite longbow. It makes sense he'd go with the simple one.
せやな。Scavengerは掃除に便利やわな。
HareとTortoiseがLeftとRightをビビらせてたの草生えたwww
Hareのドヤ顔もウケたわ。
Yuruは元々短弓に慣れてるし、複合長弓みたいな仕掛けには戸惑うのも当然やろ。シンプルなやつ選ぶの分かるわ。2ちゃん+15
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
One thing I've learned in this chaotic episode:
#Yuru is a hunter through and through, NOT a hugger
And Asa, for as long as she's been separated with Yuru, she really really REALLY loves her brother. It's as if her main/only personality is having a twin brother as awesome as Yuru. At least Gabby did mention that Asa is acting unusually girly so it's likely Asa has two sides/modes--1) Higashi village Hater and 2) Yuru Worshiper lol
So clearly, the twins' names have everything to do with their powers, with one Daemon saying that Asa's less effective at night, which is definitely worth taking advantage of now. It would also seem like she's the more "valuable" twin atm, but I have a feeling when Yuru eventually unlocks his ability, he'd be just as much of a hot commodity or target for these shadowy figure(s)' unsavory interests.
このカオスな話でわかったこと:
#ユルは根っからの狩人タイプで、ハグするタイプじゃない
それにアサ、ユルと離れ離れになってからずっと、本当に本当に本当に兄のことが大好きなんだな。まるで彼女の人格のほとんどが「ユルみたいなすごい双子の兄を持つこと」で成り立ってるみたい。少なくともギャビィはアサが普段より女の子らしいって言ってたし、アサには2つのモードがあるっぽいね――1) 東村キラー 2) ユル崇拝者(笑)
明らかに双子の名前は能力と関係してて、悪魔の一人がアサは夜は弱いって言ってたから、今のうちにそれを利用すべきだな。今のところアサの方が「価値がある」双子っぽいけど、ユルが能力を解放したら同じくらい狙われる存在になる気がする。普通くん+113
Tplayere
>At least Gabby did mention that Asa is acting unusually girly so it's likely Asa has two sides/modes--1) Higashi village Hater and 2) Yuru Worshiper lol
Tbf, her being separated from her brother for so long is the reason her first mode is even a thing, so it's more like it's a side-mode to her brother-loving one.
>>少なくともギャビーはアサが異様に女の子っぽく振る舞ってるって言ってたし、アサには二面性があるんだろうな──1)東村キラーと2)ユル信者ってとこかw
せやな、あれだけ兄貴と離ればなれだったからこそ第一モードが発動してるだけやろ。つまりアイツの基本はブラコンで、そっちがサブモードってわけやなンゴwww2ちゃん+74
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
She's geeking out so hard it's as if Yuru is some A-lister celebrity she's fangirling over as opposed to a brother she hasn't seen in a long time or known anything about since their separation. Unless ofc the Kagemori's have a spy in the village who's been feeding Asa info about her bro; which isn't too farfetched when I think about it now.
Yuru dotes on his sister (the fake one) himself, but I kinda appreciate how he's very much kept his guard up while trying to keep an open mind when dealing with the real Asa (keeping her at arm's length)--as someone who's basically interacting with a person they don't really know much about normally would.
>Tbf, her being separated from her brother for so long is the reason her first mode is even a thing
Agreed. I misread what you meant at first lol so I felt like defending/elaborating on my take.
Might as well just add that Gabby may only be seeing this other side of Asa just now, and they've been shown to be as thick as thieves thus far. Even when recounting what happened to their parents, she just cannot hide her disdain for the Higashi clan, and that's the Asa Gabby knows best and is BFFs with.
Shame Gabby and Yuru got off on the wrong foot, but I sure can't wait for the two of them to meet/interact again (hopefully as soon as next week's ep).
同意。ユルを有名人扱いしてる感じ、久々の再会ってより推し活してるみたいだよね。カゲモリがスパイを村に送ってアサに情報流してる可能性も、今思えばあり得なくはない。
ユル自身は偽の妹には甘いけど、本物のアサには警戒しつつも心を開こうとして距離を置いてる姿勢がいいと思う。知らない相手と接する普通の反応だよね。
> 離ればなれが長かったから最初のモードがあるんだ
確かに。最初は読み違えてたわ笑。ギャビーは今までアサの別の面を見てなかっただけで、二人はすごく仲良しだったんだな。両親の話をする時も東への嫌悪感隠せなかったし、それがギャビーの知ってるアサなんだろうな。
ギャビーとユルが最初から衝突したのは残念だけど、二人の再会が楽しみだよ。できれば来週のエピで。普通くん+35
AceSoldia
I'm glad Yuru is still like he is .not gonna immediately go for this new sister..he has too many questions
それな!ユルがすぐに新しい妹を受け入れない感じ、まじで安心したわ笑 まだ疑問ありすぎて普通の反応だよね〜ギャル+20
Dane-nii
Asa will get what she wants.
アサは自分の欲しいものを絶対に手に入れるタイプだね。普通くん+44
AceSoldia
Shes gonna get that hug before the arc is done. Mark her words
「絶対にハグするって言ってたし、このアーク終わる前にもう叶うでしょッ!」
確かに彼女の言葉、信じたい……!感情くん+19
Thomas_JCG
They are the twins that divide night and day, so it tracks that Yuru is better at night and Asa during the day.
それな!夜と昼を分ける双子って設定だし、ユルが夜に強くてアサが昼って辻褄合うじゃん!ギャル+10
Se7en_Sinner
I like how we ended on a cliffhanger of Yuru shooting a single arrow at the daemons after last episode where an entire arsenal was unloaded on Left and Right without a scratch.
最後の話で左右に武器全部ぶっ放しても傷一つつかなかったのに、今回ユルが一本の矢を放って終わるっていうこの対比が好きすぎるッ!エモすぎてしんどい!感情くん+102
NanDemoKnaives
Well the difference is that Left and Right are made of stone, we don't know what these daemons are made from.
やばくね!?前回は矢の大群だったのに、今回ユルが一本だけ射って終わるっていう落差がまじでアツいじゃん!笑
でさ、左右のツガイは石でできてるってわかってるけど、今回のデーモンたちが何でできてるかまだ謎なんだよね。そこが気になりすぎるんだけど!ギャル+120
Se7en_Sinner
I don't think we've seen any conventional weapons affecting daemons. Maybe Yuru is able to empower his arrows in some way.
確かに!左と右は石でできてるけど、他の悪魔は何でできてるのかマジで謎すぎる。ユルが矢を強化してる可能性はあるよね。でも従来の武器が効かないってエモすぎるし、もっと情報が欲しいッ!感情くん+28
ichigosr5
Yuru threw something at the tortoise daemon, which seemed to discombobulate it, which allowed Left to get free. So normal weapons do seem to work on normal daemons.
せやな、ユルが亀のデーモンに何か投げつけて動き止めてたやん。普通の武器でも普通のデーモンには効くっぽいンゴwww2ちゃん+83
AlphaBreak
The kagemoris know about daemons though and they still tried to shoot them. They wouldn't have made the attempt if weapons were useless against all daemons as a rule. It seems like it's a case by case basis for how resistant they are to conventional damage, with Left and Right being on the higher end. A gun or a bow would probably be fine against the hare, assuming you could land the hit.
確かに影守は悪魔を知ってたのに撃とうとしてたもんな。全部の悪魔に武器が効かないわけじゃなくて、ケースバイケースってことだね。左右は特に耐久力高いだけで、ウサギなら当てられれば銃や弓でも十分効くと思う。普通くん+25
mp3max
Será used a gun against Upper and Bottom and was seemingly surprised at how tough they were. It may simply be that their toughness and strength can vary a lot, rather than all of them being immune.
せやな、Seráがアッパーとボトムに銃撃った時も「硬えな」って驚いてたやん。全員が無効化してるわけじゃなくて、個体差で強さが変わるって可能性もあるンゴね。2ちゃん+6
Labmit
I think Right got hurt a bit last week when the stone statue hit him the head.
確かに、先週の石像が頭に当たったシーンでライトはちょっとダメージ受けてたかもな。普通くん+16
tanezuki
Well yeah it's stone on stone Ig
せやな、石同士やしなwww2ちゃん+8
pi8you
I'm no archery expert, but short hunting bows like that aren't uncommon, various shapes and styles depending on the purpose and all that.
弓の専門家じゃないけど、ああいう短い狩猟用の弓は珍しくないよ。用途によって形やスタイルも色々あるしね。普通くん+9
NekoCatSidhe
原文
So the Higashi village sent assassins after Asa and her parents ? And then her parents suddenly went missing. I can understand why she massacred the Higashi village, she was probably blaming them for everything. Not that the Kagemoris are good guys either, I don’t think you get rich enough to build that huge mansion through running a legitimate business using Tsugai.
I wonder if it is the Higashi village that is attacking them now and killed Asa and Yuru parents, or if there is a third party after the twins. The Higashi village never seemed particularly competent, but whoever launched that attack seems to be, and were obviously waiting until Yuru and Asa were both here. Unless it is Dera going crazy trying to get back Yuru, but he did not seem to have Tsugai of his own.
なるほどな。つまり東の村がアサとその両親に刺客送ったってわけか?んで親は行方不明に。アサが東の村を皆殺しにした理由もわかるわ、全部そっちのせいだと思ってたんやろうな。でもカゲモリ家も別に善人じゃないやろ、あんなデカい屋敷建てられるほどツガイ使ったまともな商売で稼げるとは思えんし。
今襲ってきてるのも東の村で、アサとユルの親を殺したのもそいつらなんか?それとも双子を狙う第三勢力がいるんか?東の村はそこまで有能には見えへんかったけど、今回の攻撃は明らかに計画的で、ユルとアサが揃うのを待ってた感じやん。デラがユルを取り戻そうとして暴走してる可能性もあるけど、あいつ自身はツガイ持ってなかったしな。2ちゃん+60
shitzgotreal
原文
I mean, it could also be a false flag attack situation, for all we know, there could be factions within the Kagemori clan and Jin's reaction to Asuma makes me think there are.
My first impression of the Higashi village side was the same as yours, they don't seem that competent, that's why currently on the matter of the disappearance of the parents and this attack, I'm leaning more towards some third party or some members of the clan going rogue.
確かに、偽装工作の可能性もあるよね。影森一族の中にも派閥があって、陣がアスマに対してああいう反応を見せたのもその証拠だと思う。
東村については最初は俺も同じ印象だった。あんまり有能そうに見えないし、だから両親の失踪と今回の襲撃に関しては、第三勢力か一族の一部が勝手に動いてる可能性の方が高いかな。普通くん+58
mmcjawa_reborn
I think the currently attackers are a third party (or parties...seemed like it could be an alliance situation).
I just assume that Higashi doesn't just have that village, but probably an organization in the outer world
確かに、現時点での襲撃者は第三勢力(あるいは複数勢力による同盟)の可能性が高いという考察は興味深い。東の背景を考えると、あの村だけじゃなく外界にも組織を持っていると見るのが自然だ。この設定、物語のスケール感を広げるための伏線だと思われる。考察くん+13
Recent_Back3390
In my opinion some factions of the clans and the village itself seems extremely un trustworthy
確かに、氏族の一部や村そのものもすごく信用ならない感じがするな普通くん+6
Myrkrvaldyr
Yeah, with today's info, the village is looking more on the bad side. But we still don't know why they were targeting them. The significance of the twins must be pretty big with all those factions wanting them.
せやな、今日の情報見る限り村側がガチで黒やな。でもなんで標的にされたかはまだ謎やけどな。あの双子の価値が色んな勢力に狙われるレベルってことか。ワイも気になるわ。2ちゃん+25
Eonir
I think the author is aiming for 'no good sides'. There are only lesser evils
確かに!作者は「善悪の二択じゃない」って描きたいんじゃないかな。どっちも悪いけど、マシな方を選ぶしかない感じ〜。ギャル+32
Basic_Loquat_9344
Yeah, probably village wanting to avoid the devastation the twins bring. Individual moralism vs greater good kina thing.
確かに、村としては双子がもたらす災厄を避けたいってだけだよね。個人の道徳と全体の利益のバランスみたいな話だと思う。普通くん+7
nqtoan1994
I am not sure about the entire Kagemori clan, but Jin had instinctly covered the twins when the Yin Yang daemons ambushed the infirmary, despite of his injured leg. So at least I trust this guy for now.
確かに、陰陽の悪魔が医務室を襲撃した時、仁は足を負傷していながらも直感で双子を庇っていた。この行動から、少なくとも今のところは彼を信用できるという考察が成り立つ。景森一族全体はまだ謎が多いがな。考察くん+24
Ikari_21
Yea I think I trust Jin, akio and the blonde guy. Asa too. I still don’t like Gabi with how she slaughtered farmers and the mom in front of her child, but I don’t think she’s one of the actual antagonists. Just a lil sadistic probably lol
せやな、ワイは陣、アキオ、金髪の奴は信頼できると思うわ。朝もな。でもガビは農民と子供の前で母親を虐殺したのは許せん。まあ真の敵ってわけじゃないやろうけど、ちょっとサディスト入ってるだけやろなwww2ちゃん+5
Martian_on_the_Moon
原文
I somewhat doubt that village was the one who sent assassins. When they were invaded, none of the villagers showed that they are capable of dealing with Daemon users or soldiers.
I suspect the third party was the one who put the blame on village, one reason being to make kagemori clan get other twin back.
Right now my theory is that village wanted to keep twins from outside world in order to prevent everyone from using them. Kagemori clan (who were former villagers) had different opinion about it and possibly wanted to use twins for good cause. The difference in opinion was probably being neutral versus using twins for good cause.
The third party however is 100% the one who wants to use them to cause war, chaos, etc.
確かに村が刺客を送ったとはちょっと思えないな。襲撃された時、村人たちはデーモンユーザーや兵士に対応できる様子がなかったし。
第三者が村に罪をなすりつけた可能性が高いと思う。その理由の一つは、影森一族に双子のもう片方を取り戻させるためじゃないかな。
今のところ俺の推測だと:
- 村は双子を外の世界から隔離して誰にも使わせないようにしたかった
- 影森一族(元村人)はそれに反対し、双子を良い目的に使いたかった
- 意見の違いは「中立維持」vs「善用」ってところか
でも第三者は間違いなく、戦争や混乱を起こすために双子を利用したい連中だと思う。普通くん+13
extralie
Idk, the grandma from the village looks shady as fuck, so I 100% she would assassins after Asa. The question is whether the entire village is complicit or not.
せやな、村のばあちゃんは絶対怪しいわ。ワイは100%あの婆がアサに刺客送ったと思うンゴwww
問題は村全体がグルかどうかやな。2ちゃん+16
Martian_on_the_Moon
I am not 100% about that. In first episode fake Asa didn't even tried to do anything after seeing real Asa, despite seeing bloodied grandma. Even after being ''killed'', she decided to restrain real Asa instead of trying to kill her.
Grandma surely is guilty for a lot of things but I don't think she is the type to order assassinations.
うーん、それはちょっと違うかも。第一話で偽アサは本物のアサを見ても何もしてこなかったし、血まみれの婆さんを見ても動かなかった。『殺された』後も、殺そうとせずに本物のアサを拘束する方を選んでたんだよな。
婆さんが色々やらかしてるのは確かだけど、暗殺を依頼するタイプには見えないな。普通くん+9
MonaganX
原文
The villagers that were killed didn't seem like fighters, but it's possible that most of the village's more capable fighters just aren't in the village most of the time, like Dera for example. If they were mainly relying on the veil and hidden path to keep intruders away, it would make sense for most of their fighters to be on the offensive, away from the village.
The assassins being either sent by a third party trying to stir conflict or them being a ruse by the Kagemori clan to trick Asa into trust the people 'protecting' her are reasonable theories, but I'm not ruling out that the village has more powerful people themselves and we just haven't seen them yet.
As for your theory that the village simply wants to stop anyone from using the twins: Why make them happen in the first place, then? We know that there hasn't been a day/night twin pair for 400 years, and seemingly that hasn't caused any problems. Yet in the very first scene of the first episode, Granny was insistently telling Yuru's mom not to give birth to Asa until dawn. If she really just wanted the powers from being used, she could've just let both twins be born during the night.
せやな、殺された村人らは戦闘員っぽくなかったけど、デラみたいに村の有能な戦闘員は普段村にいない可能性あるやん。結界と隠し道で侵入者防いでるなら、戦闘員は村の外で攻勢に出てる方が自然やろな。
第三勢力が仕組んだ刺客説とか、影森一族がアサに『守ってる』って信じ込ませるための偽装説は納得できるけど、村自体にまだ見てない強キャラがいる可能性も否定できんわ。
で、村がただ双子の力を使わせたくないだけって説についてやけど:そもそもなんで双子を作ったんや?400年ぶりの昼夜双子って設定やけど、今まで特に問題起きてないやん。初回でばあちゃんがユルの母ちゃんに「夜明けまでアサを産むな」って念押ししてたシーン、もし本当に力を使われたくないだけなら、両方夜に産ませとけば良かったやろ。2ちゃん+7
Recent_Back3390
Why wouldn't she blame them for everything? They sent assassins after their parents and her as well and then proceeded to decieve Yuru for most of his life
確かに、なんで全部彼らのせいって思わないんだろうね。親と自分に刺客送ってきて、ユルを長年騙し続けてたんだから当然だと思う。普通くん+8
Diggumdum
\>gabby is bedridden for days after getting shot by an arrow.
\>they make a big deal to treat the wound Jin receives on his leg
I really like this more grounded take on storytelling. adds a lot more weight to the fragility of human bodies.
> ガビー、矢で撃たれて何日も寝込んでたのに
> ジンの脚の傷は大げさに治療してる
こういう地に足ついた語り口好きやわ。人間の身体の脆さがめっちゃ際立つンゴwww2ちゃん+64
FlameDragoon933
I also like that they acknowledge Jin could die (presumably from blood loss).
それな!矢で撃たれて寝込むギャビーもやばいけど、ジンの傷の治療にすごく気を使ってるのやばくね?出血多量で死ぬ可能性もちゃんと認めてるのがリアルでいいわ〜!ギャル+20
IndependentMacaroon
Fullmetal Alchemist was also pretty good at that
確かに、鋼の錬金術師もそういう描写は上手かったよね普通くん+16
IXajll
原文
So am I missing something or did Yuru just completely fail to address the elephant that’s still in the room when questioning Asa? Namely asking her straight up “What’s your justification for slaughtering the poor fucking *farmers and their kids* of the village?” Now we found out about the assassination attempts and the presumed kidnapping, but it’s kinda safe to assume that those actions were planned and executed by a few higher up village leaders and not little timmy and his parents. So I can get behind the idea of killing the village masterminds, but shit, not every single civilian they come across. Surely Asa and Gabby aren’t so irrational and blind with rage that they’d just kill any and all humans of the village just because of where they’re from.
Edit: I forgot that apparently they didn't actually kill any of the kids, but orphaning and traumatizing them for life isn't much better so that doesn't really change anything in my book.
ワイの聞き逃しかもしれんけど、ユルがアーサに「村の農民とそのクソガキどもを虐殺した正当化理由は何だ?」って核心を全然突いてなくね?暗殺未遂と拉致疑惑は分かったけど、あれは村の上層部が仕組んだことで、ティミーとその両親がやったわけじゃないやろ。首謀者を殺すのは分かるけど、すれ違う民間人全員ぶっ殺すのはおかしいって。アーサとギャビーがそこまで理性失って村人全員虐殺するとは思えんわ。
追記: 子供は殺してないらしいけど、孤児にしてトラウマ植え付けるのは変わらんやろ。ワイ的には何も変わらん。2ちゃん+58
Ashteron
>So am I missing something or did Yuru just completely fail to address the elephant that’s still in the room when questioning Asa? Namely asking her straight up “What’s your justification for slaughtering the poor fucking *farmers and their kids* of the village?”
I mean, they got interrupted.
確かに、あそこは中断されちゃったからね。ユルがアサに「村の農民とその子供たちを虐殺した理由は何だ?」って直接聞くタイミングを逃したって感じだよな。普通くん+50
HarshTheDev
原文
What's bothering me more is Yuru not going to address real Asa fucking murdering his sister? Fake or not, he still treated her as his sister and *revered* her, did all that suddenly vanish? Why hasn't he thought about her once since the first episode? He's healthily skeptical about most things, except for the part where his most important person turned out to be a lie? That he just accepts as fact and moves on instantly? What
**返信先: 「ユルが部屋の中の象(問題)を完全に無視してるの俺だけ?」って話だけど**
ワイがもっと気になるのは、ユルが本物のアサが妹殺した件に一切触れてないとこやろ。偽物やとしても、アイツは妹として敬愛してたんやろ?それが全部消えたとかある?第一話以降、一度もアサのこと考えた描写ないやん。大抵のことは疑り深いのに、一番大事な人間が嘘だったって部分だけは、いきなり受け入れてスルーしとる。それはおかしいやろ。2ちゃん+9
F00dbAby
I mean she wasn’t murdered. He said he saw her move
まあ実際には殺されてないんだよね。動いてるのを見たって言ってたし。普通くん+27
_ZBubble_
When Yuru and Dera confronted Asa in the village, Right told Yuru that the real Asa had the same smell of blood as him, confirming that she's his real sister. Yuru is definitely still in the dark about pretty much everything, but his own Daemon pair told him that it's the real Asa.
ゆるが実の妹のアサに姉を殺された件を全然気にしてないのが気になるンゴ…
村で対峙した時、ライトが「本物のアサから同じ血の匂いがする」って言ってたし、本人確定やん。ゆるは何も知らされてないっぽいけど、自分の使い魔に実妹って言われてるんやで…ガチで草2ちゃん+14
OpportunityNext9675
The show doesn’t seem to understand the dissonance the audience would naturally feel at this point. There was no urgency in addressing the elephant in the room which I found super annoying. I really don’t care about creepy moth guy, or the sister wanting to hug the brother, or even the parents gone missing.
確かに。視聴者が感じる違和感を制作側が理解してない気がする。あの空気読めない感じがすごくイライラしたわ。不気味な蛾男も、妹が兄をハグしたがるのも、親が行方不明なのも、正直どうでもいい。普通くん+5
Ashteron
>The show doesn’t seem to understand the dissonance the audience would naturally feel at this point. There was no urgency in addressing the elephant in the room which I found super annoying. I really don’t care about creepy moth guy, or the sister wanting to hug the brother, or even the parents gone missing.
I don't see the reason why are you watching this show if you don't care about those.
確かに、現時点での違和感を作品側が理解していないという指摘は一理ある。ただ、この作品の構造を考察すると、あえて緊迫感を希薄にすることで「日常と非日常の境界の曖昧さ」を描いている可能性が考えられる。蛾の男や兄妹の関係性、両親の失踪は全てが伏線として機能していると思われる。これらの要素を「気にならない」と言ってしまうと、作品が積み上げてきた世界観構築の意図を見落とすことになるのでは。考察くん+31
funforgiven
Yeah, let’s just skip everything else and speedrun the “elephant in the room.” That would definitely make it better.
確かに、あの「空気読めない感じ」はちょっと気になったな。話のテンポ速すぎて緊迫感が薄れてたと思う。普通くん+5
LezRock
原文
I'm still waiting to see if Yuru ends up forgiving and forgetting Gabby's murders, or if he takes justice into his own hands later or just lets her die in some other situation. Despite their associations, the people who were slaughtered were all people that he had grown up around.
It'll definitely take a sad story to justify Gabby's actions to Yuru, but even then, it would make more sense if he decides to just avoid her rather than befriending her. I am very interested in seeing how the hunter keeps his eyes on his prey.
ユルがガビィの殺人を最終的に許して水に流すのか、それとも自ら正義を執行するのか、あるいは別の状況で彼女を見殺しにするのか、まだ注視しているところだ。彼らに繋がりがあるとはいえ、虐殺された人々はユルが幼い頃から共に育ってきた者たちだった。
ガビィの行動をユルに納得させるには悲痛な物語が必要だろうが、それでも彼女と友人になるよりは避ける道を選ぶ方が筋が通る。ハンターがどう獲物を監視し続けるのか、非常に興味深いところだ。考察くん+24
Zeph-Shoir
I would honestly respect it a lot if Yuru *never* forgives Gabby, even if enough happens and is revealed for them to be on the same side.
確かに、ユルがガビィを絶対に許さないって展開なら、めっちゃリスペクトするわ。たとえ同じ陣営になってもな。普通くん+14
Ao_Kiseki
Yeah Gabby gleefully disemboweling someone's parents in front of them is not justifiable. Even if you tell me everyone there knew what was going on, there is no way you can tell me attack defenseless rice farmers and blowing their limbs off, then smiling at the child you just drenched in their father's blood is justifiable. That isn't even morally gray, that's some straight sociopath shit.
確かにガビが目の前で誰かの両親を嬉々として内臓を引きずり出した件は正当化できないな。たとえ全員が事情を知っていたとしても、無防備な農民を攻撃して四肢を吹き飛ばし、父親の血を浴びせた子供に微笑む行為は正当化のしようがない。これは道徳的にグレーですらない、完全に社会病質者の行動だ。制作陣は意図的に「敵対勢力」としてのガビを強調することで、後のキャラクター成長の伏線を張っていると思われる。考察くん+23
Namaryu
原文
Yeah I don't like this part and the moment I saw OP I felt the story needed some way to bond Kagemori or at least Jin group and Yuru together but they didn't even adress the MASSACRE which they caused. Oh also Gabby made point to spare CHILDREN but killed parents. Like we had a terrified daughter see beheading of mother so like how you justify it? How you made readers say: Okay fair enough. I don' think I've received enough info from the story to answer this.
Imo the Akira Ishida Kagemori is the most suspicious from the smile and voice alone.
ワイもこの展開は納得いかんわ
OP見た時点で「カゲモリかジン組とユルがなんか絆深める展開くるやろ」って思ったのに、あの大虐殺をスルーは草
しかもギャビーは子供だけは助けたけど親は殺したんやろ?
母親の首はねられたのを娘が見てるってどう正当化すんだよ
「まあ妥当やな」って読者に思わせる情報、全然足りてないンゴ
石田彰のカゲモリは笑顔と声だけで既に怪しさMAXやわ2ちゃん+22
SomeTool
原文
The village kept asa in a cage and had a magic barrier that could trap people who wander into it to either join the village or be left to starve to death on the mountain to keep the village secret. When Asa got off the mountain they seem to have sent assassins after her to probably keep the power she has from anyone else. So, just because they have a day job as a farmer doesn't make them good people.
同意。村がアサを檻に閉じ込め、結界で迷い込んだ者を村に加わるか餓死させるか選ばせていた描写は、彼らの本質を如実に示している。山を下りたアサに刺客を送ったのも、彼女の力を他者に渡さないための論理的な行動だ。つまり、農民という日常の姿が善人であるとは限らないという伏線だな。制作陣の意図として、村の閉鎖性と秘密保持の執着を強調していると考察できる。考察くん+7
Ao_Kiseki
原文
I can't believe people are making this argument sincerely lol. You can't just murder non combatants because they're aware their leadership is committing crimes. Even if you can morally justify that obvious war crime, you really can't justify smiling at a child you just beheaded the mother of like it's nothing. These people are pyschos no matter what, and I doubt the story is going to justify that behavior.
マジでこの主張本気でしてる人いるの笑っちゃうわ。非戦闘員を殺していいわけないだろ、上層部が犯罪してるのを知ってるからって理由で。たとえ道徳的に戦争犯罪を正当化できたとしても、首切った母親の子供に平然と微笑むのは絶対に正当化できない。こいつらはどう考えてもサイコパスだし、話としてもそんな行動を正当化するとは思えない。普通くん+21
OpportunityNext9675
That all makes sense, but it’s still weird the main character isn’t addressing it.
確かに理屈は通ってるけど、主人公がそれに一切触れないのが逆に気持ち悪すぎるッ!なんで無視してるんだよ!感情くん+17
zenograff
The villagers didn't even fight back when attacked, they weren't even able to see Gaby's daemons. It's straight up massacre.
村人たち、攻撃されても抵抗すらできなかったんだな。ガビーの悪魔すら見えてなかったってことか。完全に一方的な虐殺だわ。普通くん+18
Maybe_this_time_fr
> So, just because they have a day job as a farmer doesn't make them good people.
LMAO these the kind of justifications people use to bomb Palestinians. Fucking insane.
まじそれな!笑
「農民やってるから善人」って発想、ガチでヤバくね?
これと同じ理屈でパレスチナ爆撃してるやつらとかマジ理解できんわ。ギャル+5
PM_ME_AWESOME_SONGS
Yeah, I can see why she sides with the Kagemori since the village tried to kill her, but killing everyone there still doesn't sit right with me.
せやな、村に殺されかけたからカゲモリ側につくのはわかるンゴ。でも村人全員ぶっ殺すのはワイ的には納得いかんわ。2ちゃん+12
Esovan13
They didn't kill any kids though. They only targeted the adults.
確かに!子供は殺してないし、大人だけが標的だったって話だよな。でもそれって逆にエグくない?大人だけ狙うって発想がもうヤバすぎるッ!感情くん+12
MathematicianThin147
so giving them mental issue and no one to take care of them is ok? (plus I doubt all of the villagers were involve in the past).
それな!でも精神的にボロボロにして誰も面倒見ないってのはアウトじゃね?しかも村人全員が過去に関わってたわけじゃないと思うんだけど笑ギャル+17
Namaryu
I guess the Kagemori believe in the guilty by association stuff.
確かに、影森は連帯責任的な考え方なんだろうな。でもそれってやりすぎじゃね?無理すぎるッ!感情くん+8
spiken18
They didn’t kill all the adults in the village maybe like 10-15. And it’s not like he wasn’t going to ask her right after finding out about his parents, but got interrupted.
せやな、村の大人全員殺したわけじゃなくて10~15人くらいやろ。それに、あいつも両親の件知った直後に聞こうとしてたんやけど、邪魔入っただけやん。2ちゃん+7
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
Blame the stupid daemons that attacked them while they were clearly still in the middle of sorting everything out and talking things through. While I do agree that the Higashi village massacre is a HUGE deal, Yuru is justified to have asked about the whereabouts of their parents first and foremost. And it's not like getting a good explanation as to why Asa and Gabby did what they did is gonna bring back all those lives that they took.
確かに、あの場面で邪魔が入ったタイミングは不運だったな。東村の虐殺問題が重大なのは間違いないが、ユルがまず両親の行方を尋ねたのは心理的に自然な流れだと思う。アサとギャビーの行動の理由を完全に説明されたところで、奪われた命が戻るわけではないという点も考慮すべきだ。この場面、制作陣は意図的に情報開示を遅らせている可能性が高い。考察くん+12
extralie
原文
Idk, the Kagemori is still pretty shady, but I think it makes sense for Asa to resent the entire village.
>They imprisoned her for 6 whole years since birth
>They kept on sending assassins after her
>She think they are responsible for her parents disappearing and possible death
Like, killing all the adults is going too far, but also the adults were 100% fine with her being imprisoned, so from her POV they are complicit through their lack of action.
確かに、影森はまだ怪しいけど、アサが村全体を恨むのは筋が通ってると思う。
・生まれてから6年間も監禁
・何度も刺客を送り込んでくる
・両親が消えたのも村のせいだと思ってる
大人全員を殺すのはやりすぎだけど、彼女からすれば黙認してた連中も同罪ってことだよね。普通くん+6
Neosovereign
Yeah, I was waiting the whole time for answers and got nothing.
確かに、ずっと答えを待ってたのに何もなかったよね。普通くん+8
Ashteron
>Village was sending assassins after Asa and her parents
nothing
それな!村がアサとその両親に刺客送ってたのに、答えゼロってまじやばくね!?ギャル+5
Neosovereign
I want to know what justified the massacre because I don't really know which side to root for. That is what I want.
確かに。村がアサたちの家族を襲った理由が分からないと、どっちを応援すればいいか迷っちゃうよね。その辺の説明が欲しいところだ。普通くん+6
Maybe_this_time_fr
Yeah it's driving me crazy. I understand the author is trying to do the whole, gray, nobody's really good thing but they massacred your fucking village, Yuru. Lock in man.
それな。マジでイライラするわ。作者は「誰も完全に善じゃない」的なグレーな描写を狙ってるのは分かるけど、村を壊滅させられたんだぞユル。しっかりしろよ。普通くん+5
Ashteron
>He had enough time in the car to think about what to ask as well.
And he decided to ask about his parents.
車の中であれだけ時間あったし、何聞くかちゃんと考えてたんやな。
んで親のこと聞くって決めたのか。2ちゃん+8
extralie
>"I think it makes sense for a character to be vengeful under these circumstances."
>"Oh, so you're fine with genocide, huh!?"
Dude...
Also, if you read any piece of media, it's pretty clear that they're setting up for a reveal that the village is fucked up in some way.
「この状況ならキャラが復讐心を抱くのも理解できる」って意見に対して「お前は虐殺を認めるのか!」って返すのは極端すぎるだろ…
それに、どんな作品でも村が何か闇を抱えているというフラグは明確に張られているという考察ができる。考察くん+5
Ao_Kiseki
Murdering defenseless noncombatants is a war crime. You think it's also okay to just blow up villages in the middle east because they're harboring terrorists? It' the exact same thing. And not only that, they did this in front of their children then smiled at them afterwards like it was nothing.
この描写は明らかに戦争犯罪を意図的に描いているな。非戦闘員の虐殺を子供の目の前で行い、その後微笑むという演出は、作中世界の道徳観が完全に崩壊していることを示唆している。制作陣は「正義と悪の境界線」を観客に突きつけるため、あえてグロテスクな手法を選んだと考察できる。考察くん+10
Mr_An_1069
It’s funny how different Asa acts normally vs when Yuru is around.
草、アサの態度変わりすぎやろwww
普段はクールぶってるくせにユルがいるときは別人やん2ちゃん+51
Ikari_21
“I will destroy the village” to “dear brother can I please hug you” LOL I love her already
「村を破壊する」から「お兄ちゃん抱きしめていい?」ってギャップがすごいw もう好きになったわ普通くん+33
Ashteron
Asuma has such an Akira Ishida coded design.
アスマ、まじで石田彰っぽいデザインじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル+46
garfe
Only missing white hair, but blonde is close enough
確かに、白髪じゃないけどブロンドなら近いよね。石田彰っぽい雰囲気はわかるわ。普通くん+19
Zero3020
Akira Ishida just instantly assures me that the character is evil.
それなwww石田彰が出てきた瞬間「こいつ絶対悪役やろ」ってなるわw2ちゃん+17
Andt-94
For sure, the second I heard his voice I could picture the kind of character he was lol.
確かに、声聞いた瞬間にどんなキャラか想像できたわw普通くん+15
LeonKevlar
原文
Damn. That was stone cold from Yuru. So the only reason he spared Jin was because Jin didn't have the intent to kill when he attacked Yuru.
Hidari staring down the tortoise and the rabbit being smug at Migi was pretty damn funny. I hope we get to see a rematch in the future.
A dude who smiles with his eyes closed and is voiced by Ishida Akira? I'm now even more suspicious of the Kagemoris. Dude is shady af.
Asa's reaction to Yuru was pretty funny! Especially since she keeps asking Yuru for hugs. This girl is such a massive brocon. 😆
So their parents disappeared shortly after the Kagemoris took them in? I feel like that's very fucking sus. Also, Asa says that they were being attacked by assassins from the village? What are the chances that those attacks were false flags, so Asa would trust the Kagemoris? This entire story definitely smells fishy.
And it doesn't help that these shadowy figures who are talking about taking Asa's head and killing Yuru are praising Jin for bringing Yuru. It sounds like the attack is coming from inside the Kagemori mansion, too. Even if Jin doesn't know about this, there's at least another faction within the Kagemoris here.
ユルのあの態度、完全に冷徹だったな。ジンを助けた唯一の理由は、ジンが攻撃時に殺意を持っていなかったからって考察できる。
左がカメを見下ろして、ウサギが右にドヤ顔してるシーンはかなり笑えた。今後リマッチが見たいな。
目を閉じて笑うイケメンで、声が石田彰って…ますます影森家が怪しく思えてきた。この男、めちゃくちゃ胡散臭い。
アサのユルへの反応は面白かった!特にユルにハグをせがみ続けるところ。この娘、完全なブラコンだな。😆
つまり、両親は影森家に引き取られた直後に失踪したのか?それ、かなり怪しいと思う。さらにアサは村からの暗殺者に襲われていたと言ってるけど、それって偽装工作でアサに影森家を信頼させるための可能性は?この話全体、明らかに怪しい匂いがする。
しかもアサの首を取ってユルを殺せと話す影の連中が、ユルを連れてきたジンを称賛してる。攻撃が影森邸内部から来てるってことだ。ジンが知らなくても、少なくとも影森家内に別の派閥が存在するな。考察くん+40
Myrkrvaldyr
>So their parents disappeared shortly after the Kagemoris took them in?
Either a 3rd party kidnapped them or the Kagemoris themselves did it, but not everyone knows it, so it's an independent faction within the family.
陰森家に引き取られた直後に両親が消えたってことか…
第三者か陰森家自身がやったかだけど、全員が知ってるわけじゃなくて、家の中の独立した派閥の仕業っぽいね。普通くん+21
SomeTool
They mentioned it could be the village on the mountain as well, as they did also send assassins after Asa.
確かに!山の上の村も怪しいって言ってたじゃん?だってあそこもアサに刺客送ってきてるしな~。やばくね?ギャル+16
Alter_Kyouma
Maybe the third party sent the assassins after Asa so the Kagemori would shelter them. The village seemed more interested in having both twins alive, unlike this third group.
せやな、第三勢力が刺客送ってアサ狙わせて、影守に保護させる流れやろな。村は双子両方生きてるの望んでるっぽいし、その第三勢力とは違うンゴwww2ちゃん+7
Golden_fsh
原文
I like how the episode titles are pairs, however, the whole time I was waiting for something about that one Kagemori agent's tortoise and hare demons, lol.
The kagemori's reactions to Yuru's "barbarianism" is funny as well! Asa is definitely a bro-con but I'll look forward to when Yuru finally let's her hug him. I also love how much Dera is playing into his "dad" bit 😆
The Asuma guy is shady af and wouldn't be surprised if he was somehow involved in Yuru and Asa's parents disappearing. Not sure if the daemons after the twins now are from Higashi village or some third party.
I'm so tempted to read the manga but the anime is pretty awesome, and so I'll stick to it at least until the end of the first season!
エピソードタイトルが対になっている構成、いいよね。でも個人的にはあのカゲモリのエージェントが持つ“ウサギとカメ”の悪魔について何か情報が出てくるのをずっと待ってたんだよな(笑)。
ユルの“蛮行”に対するカゲモリたちの反応も面白い!アサは完全にブラコンだけど、ユルがついに彼女のハグを受け入れる瞬間が楽しみ。それにデラが“パパ”キャラをここまで徹底して演じてるのも最高だよな😆
アスマって奴はめちゃくちゃ怪しいし、ユルとアサの両親の失踪に何らかの形で関わってても驚かない。今双子を追ってる悪魔たちが東村の連中なのか、それとも第三勢力なのかも気になる。
原作漫画も読みたくて仕方ないけど、アニメのクオリティが素晴らしいから、とりあえず1期が終わるまではアニメで行くことに決めた!考察くん+38
WillOfTheSon
Well I mean... I feel like that pair is pretty obvious in theme of literally the story of the tortoise and the hare
確かに、あのペアは文字通りウサギとカメの話ってテーマがわかりやすいよね。普通くん+10
y-c-c
> The kagemori's reactions to Yuru's "barbarianism" is funny as well!
I still can't get over how he kept getting surprised by Yuru's lack of inhibition to killing and violence whereas their group just invaded the village and murdered lots of villagers. Just seems like there's a disconnect there.
>影守たちがユルの蛮行にビビってるのが笑えるって話だけど
ユルが殺しや暴力に何のためらいもないことに驚いてるのがまだ理解できんわ
自分たちは村に襲撃かけて大量虐殺してるのにさ
なんか矛盾してない?2ちゃん+5
WillOfTheSon
原文
Like they're riffing off the story of the Tortoise and the Hare. The tortoise was slow, rather even unmoving and taking its time to crush the opponent due to its weight that it insinuates is controllable (based off the dude saying that it can be heavier). Meanwhile the hare is the exact opposite, it is super quick and looking to KO immediately. Just like the hare racing fast ahead and the tortoise taking its time in the fable.
「亀とウサギ」の寓話を下敷きにした対比構造だよな。亀は動きが遅く、むしろ不動で、その重量を活かしてじっくり相手を圧殺する——「重くできる」という台詞から、重量操作が可能であると推察できる。一方、ウサギはまったくの正反対で、超速で即KOを狙う。寓話でウサギが先を急ぎ、亀がじっくり進むのと同じ構造がここにあるという考察ができる。考察くん+11
tripleaamin
We are literally seeing Asa in a slightly better light. We got Yuru who is beyond cautious, and Asa, who just wants affection from her family. Well, it makes sense given their parents went missing.
We're jumping to the action again. No time for a breather, I suppose.
確かにアサがちょっとだけマシに見えてきたね。ユルはめっちゃ慎重派だけど、アサは単に家族から愛情欲しいだけなんだな。両親が行方不明なら納得だわ。
またアクションに突入か。休む間もない感じだな。普通くん+39
ebonyphoenix
Asa just really wants to hug her brother. And considering it’s been 10 years since she’s really seen him I can’t really blame her.
朝が弟を抱きしめたくてたまらないのめっちゃわかる。だって10年ぶりにちゃんと会えたんだもんね、責められないよ…ッ!感情くん+38
CitronClassic672
I don’t even know that one dude’s name, but him blushing at left immediately shot him up to top 3 favorite characters for me.
あのキャラの名前すら覚えてないけど、左の子に照れてるだけで俺の中でトップ3に入ったわ。普通くん+39
Thomas_JCG
Haruo.
ハルオやん。左のやつに赤くなってるだけで一気にトップ3入り草www2ちゃん+12
demurefox97
Can't believe it's been 5 episodes and yuru still hasn't asked why his sister and the clan killed the entire village and why they kept a fake sister in place or why the village sequestered itself from the world. Like how are those not your first questions to ask dera after leaving behind your entire life to go with him?
もう5話も経つのにユルがまだ妹と一族が村を全滅させた理由や偽の妹がいた理由、村が外界から隔絶されてた理由をデラに聞かないのが信じられない。全部捨ててデラについていったんだから、まず最初に聞くべきことじゃないの?普通くん+41
FRE4Kr
I'm holding out hope that it will be explained in further episodes. But I do agree
確かに!まだ説明されてないけど今後に期待してる。でも本当に早く理由知りたいよな…このモヤモヤ感しんどいッ!感情くん+16
Thomas_JCG
Higashi village was sending assassins after her, so it's obvious why she wouldn't be kind to them, though it was only Gabby killing people. The other two questions have nothing to with Asa, though. The barrier existed since before she was born and the fake Asa was placed after she left, so she has no way of knowing.
確かに、東の村が暗殺者を送ってたなら優しくする理由ないよな。でも殺してたのはギャビーだけだし、結界はアサが生まれる前からあったし偽物が置かれたのも彼女が出て行った後だから、アサが知るはずないんだよね。普通くん+8
abandoned_idol
But mom and dad...
でも親父とお袋は…ってそれどころじゃねえだろ草
確かに5話も経って村全滅の理由聞かないのはおかしいわな
ワイもそこ引っかかってたンゴwww2ちゃん+5
demurefox97
He spent about a whole day with dera and hana, basically didn't ask for the history of the situation at all. Obviously it'll be explained eventually, but how do you go through a whole car ride after a life-changing event and not ask a single question about how the situation came about?
確かに、デラとハナとほぼ一日一緒にいたのに、状況の経緯を全く聞かなかったのは気になるよね。後で説明されるだろうけど、人生変わるような出来事の後で車中ずっと黙ってるってどういうことだよ。普通くん+12
Leif167
I love Asa and Gabu chan friendship, even if she doesnt like Yuru she supports her friend being happy for her brother. The Kagemori are great, and Akira Ishida was the best choice for Asuma's voice actor.
朝ちゃんとガブちゃんの友情マジで好きやわ。ユルは嫌いでも友達が弟想いで幸せそうなのを応援してるのがええやん。影守もいいけど、飛馬の声は石田彰がドンピシャやな。ガチで。2ちゃん+33
Shimmering-Sky
原文
- Ah…
- Oh that’s terrifying.
- Left *would* immediately be concerned with getting stronger after being told that turtle wasn’t even going all out.
- Ishida Akiraaaaaaaaa!
- Life on the mountain really was *so* different.
- Yuru probably *does* want to get taller.
- That would make sense. So they disappeared on the way to Okinawa…
- Uh-oh.
- And whoever these are only need Asa, not Yuru…?
- Sweet, got a “sore demo” out of this show on my birthday too!
ああ…
あれは怖いな。
左はあのカメが本気じゃなかったって聞いたらすぐに強くなることに執着しそうだよね。
石田彰さーん!
山での生活は本当に全然違ったんだな。
ユルは多分背がもっと伸びたいんだろうな。
なるほど。だから沖縄に向かう途中で消えたのか…
やばい。
で、この連中はユルじゃなくてアサだけが必要ってこと…?
よっしゃ、誕生日にこの作品で「それでも」が聞けたわ!普通くん+32
Ikari_21
Happy birthday!
お誕生日おめでとう!感情くん+8
AceSoldia
I understand Asa. Yuru is so cool lmao
ワイ、アサの気持ちわかるわ。ユルがカッコよすぎて草www2ちゃん+33
Ikari_21
He’s so badass lol
確かにユルはかっこよすぎるわ笑普通くん+6
zool714
We saw a bit of it before, but did not expect Asa to be \*that\* much of a brocon lol
ちょっと前にもその兆しはあったけど、アサがそこまでブラコンだとは思わなかったわ笑ギャル+30
Anaguli417
Asa and Gabby were introduced as mass murderers and now Asa is acting all cute and bubbly while Yuru is just fine with that? I hope they address this soon in the anime.
I can't fully enjoy the show with this extreme dissonance.
アサとギャビーが大量殺人犯として登場したのに、今のアサは可愛くて陽気な感じで、ユルもそれでOKしてるの?アニメで早くこの辺りの説明をしてほしいな。
この極端なギャップのせいで、作品を純粋に楽しめないんだよね。普通くん+28
mr_incredible118
they were intoduced that way because we know nothing of higashi village and its motives, but it doesnt mean theyre innocent...
確かに!最初は完全に殺人犯って感じだったけど、東村の事情とか動機がまだわかんないからね〜。でも無実ってわけじゃないってのはマジで同意笑ギャル+10
ohoni
I'm still struggling with this, even if they aren't "innocent," the outright massacre involved seems unjustifiable. They need to actively make this make sense.
確かに!たとえ「無実」じゃなくても、あの大量虐殺は正当化できないだろ…しんどすぎる。ちゃんと説明してくれよマジで。感情くん+8
TyraniTEMPESTar
原文
Definitely getting odd vibes about this "sudden" attack.
In the exam room they were questioning about how Yuru and Asa's parents just got mysteriously disappeared alongside their bodyguard.
And they were questioning whether it could've been an inside job by Higarashi village assassins infiltrating the Kagemori.
When everyone arrived into the manor they were approached by that Asuma character, who seemed a little suspicious, and Jin commented to Yuru stay by his side when inside the manor, sorta hinting at some people might not being able to be fully trusted.
Well, that Akio guy was supposed to be guarding the gate / barrier into the manor.
So was he killed, or did he let people in?
We conveniently didn't get to see his daemons while in the garage.
Although, they were supposed to be pretty big. So does that mean these yin yang looking daemons are really powerful being able to defeat some giants, or were they given a pass?
Definitely looking forward to this seal Yuru's supposed to unlock based on next week's preview.
今回の「急な」襲撃には怪しい雰囲気を感じるな。
試験会場ではユルとアサの両親がボディーガードごと謎の失踪を遂げた件について尋問されてたし、日枯村の刺客が影森に潜入して内部犯の可能性も疑われてた。
屋敷に着いた時は、なんか怪しいアスマってキャラが近づいてきて、ジンがユルに「屋敷の中では俺のそばを離れるな」って忠告してたのも、信用できない人がいるって暗に示してた感じだよな。
それに、アキオって奴は門と結界の警備のはずだろ? 殺されたのか、それとも侵入を許したのか? 車庫では都合よく彼の使い魔が見えなかったし。使い魔はかなりデカいはずなのに。つまり、あの陰陽師みたいな使い魔が巨人を倒せるほど強いのか、それとも素通りさせられたのか?
来週の予告でユルが解放するっていう封印が楽しみだ。普通くん+29
flashmozzg
> Definitely getting odd vibes about this "sudden" attack.
That Kagemori at the start definitely feels like a sleazy scheming type. So far it seems like there might be an inner Kagemori faction that goes against the family head.
この「突然の」襲撃には確かに違和感があるという意見に同意だ。冒頭の影森は明らかに狡猾で策謀家タイプだと思われる。現時点では、影森家内部に当主に反旗を翻す派閥が存在する可能性が考察できる。考察くん+22
Namaryu
Bro is voiced by Akira Ishida of all seiyuus. Definitely the sus one here.
影森がアッくん(石田彰)の声優って時点で怪しさMAXだろ!絶対こいつ黒だって!!!感情くん+22
mekerpan
Jin and the Kagemori guy do not seem to be on exactly the same team. Does the Kagemori Clan have factions that are at odds with each other? If so, perhaps the Kagemori guy we saw might not have the same goals as Jin and company.
確かにあのカゲモリの男、最初から胡散臭かったよね。ジンとあいつが完全に同じチームってわけでもなさそうだし。カゲモリ一族内で派閥争いとかあるのかな。だとすれば、今回の襲撃もジンたちとは別の目的があるのかもね。普通くん+8
Zero3020
Didn't the master say in the last episode that there people within the Kagemori clan who would want Asa's power for themselves?
確かに前回の話で「アサの力を狙ってる連中が影森内部にいる」って師匠が言ってたやん。つまり影森内でも派閥争いみたいなのがあって、ジンと影森の男は完全に同じチームじゃないってことやろな。2ちゃん+16
secret_tsukasa
原文
I have a question
The blonde teen girl.
Am I supposed to feel admiration for her in any way?
The show is acting like she's this inconvenienced character with cheery slice of life bits.
Meanwhile on the 1st episode, she literally murdered and destroyed multiple innocent families while trying to look cool.
She's the bad guy and I'm supposed to root against her, no? I understand nuance, its just the show is really painting her in a 180 light.
あの金髪の少女キャラについての疑問、すごく共感できる。
1話で無関係な家族を複数壊したにもかかわらず、作品は彼女を「困ったけど可愛い日常キャラ」として描いてるんだよな。
つまり制作陣は意図的に視聴者の道徳的ジレンマを誘ってる可能性が高い。単なる「悪役」ではなく、彼女の行動と日常のギャップこそが伏線なんじゃないか?あの「かっこつけてる」殺戮シーンとほのぼのパートの対比は、後々の心情変化や真の動機を描くための布石だと思われる。考察くん+26
Viridun
原文
My current theory is that a lot of the villagers aren't actually "real" and were created by Granny to make it seem more legitimate. The fake Asa looked and acted entirely real until she was 'killed' for example. My guess is that there's the surface village with all the fake villagers and the medieval lifestyle, and then hidden below are things like the assassins and such.
Even if not, the mangaka's other work also featured characters who did morally messed up things but were also people meant to be rooted for *in the moment*. Very few of her characters except the outright villains were all negative traits. Gabby could very well be a teenaged girl with a fucked up view on taking life, but also someone who fights the same threats as the good guys, it would be in line with the mangaka's style.
今のところ、村人の多くは実は「本物」じゃなくて、ばあちゃんが村をそれっぽく見せるために作り出した存在なんじゃないかと思ってる。偽アサは「殺される」までは見た目も行動も完全に本物だったしね。表向きの村には偽の村人たちと中世的な生活があって、その下に暗殺者たちが隠れてるって感じかな。
仮に違っても、この作者の他の作品でも道徳的にヤバいことをするけど、その場では応援したくなるキャラは出てきてたよ。明確な悪役以外で完全にネガティブなキャラはほとんどいない。ギャビーも命を奪うことに対して歪んだ考えを持つ10代の少女だけど、味方と同じ脅威と戦ってるキャラって可能性はある。作者のスタイルに合ってると思う。普通くん+21
abandoned_idol
I trust the comic relief.
e.g. In Dorohedoro, you root for the bad guys because they are funny.
So if there is comic relief, odds are that they are good guys. And it's not like there wasn't any comic relief for her while she was cutting heads early on.
確かに草。でもワイはコメディリリーフを信じてるンゴ。
『ドロヘドロ』みたいに悪役でも面白けりゃ応援したくなるやん。
序盤で首切りながらも笑わせてたし、あの子は良い奴やろ多分。2ちゃん+7
secret_tsukasa
All of them? Yeesh. Ty for clearing that up.
全員?うわっ。教えてくれてありがとう。普通くん+10
Namaryu
I'm sorry but there is a contradiction. If Higashi Village needs both twins then why would they keep sending assasins to kill Asa?
ちょっと待ってそれ矛盾してない!?東村が双子両方必要なら、なんでアサを殺しに暗殺者送りまくってんのマジで意味わかんなくね笑ギャル+20
Top-Society1540
There is definitely more to the two powers
わかるッ!二つの力の関係、絶対もっと深い設定がありそうだよね。伏線すぎるッ!感情くん+36
mmcjawa_reborn
If you can't have the power, it's better to make sure your rival can't have it either
確かに矛盾してるよな。力が得られないなら、相手にも渡さない方がいいっていう発想なんだろうね。普通くん+16
OpportunityNext9675
原文
A bit nervous about the direction of the show, starting to lose me a bit. The core intrigue of the show so far has been the brutal actions of Gabby and co., contrasted with their framing as sympathetic characters who are forecasted to end up good guys. Anybody watching the show is going to be curious about that. But the show doesn’t treat it as the elephant in the room that it is. The sister being all cutesy was genuinely annoying haha, it felt less like a continuation of the contrast and more of a sign that the show doesn’t understand how it has portrayed its characters. I do appreciate the main character being an active participant driving the story forward, but him not showing up to the manor like “WHAT THE FUCK YOU KILLED MY NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS” made me lose connection with his motivations and headspace.
この作品の今後の展開に少し不安を感じている。これまでの核心的な魅力は、ギャビーたちの残虐な行動と、彼女たちが最終的に善人になるという予告された枠組みの対比にあった。視聴者は誰しもその点に興味を引かれるはずだ。しかし作品はその不気味な問題を正面から扱っていない。妹が可愛らしく振る舞うシーンは正直イライラした。あれは対比の延長というより、作品が自身のキャラクター描写を理解していない兆候に見えた。主人公が能動的に物語を動かす点は評価するが、彼が屋敷に乗り込んで「なんで俺の隣人や友人を殺したんだ!」と怒鳴らないのは、彼の動機や心情との繋がりを失わせる。考察くん+24
ichigosr5
原文
> him not showing up to the manor like “WHAT THE FUCK YOU KILLED MY NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS” made me lose connection with his motivations and headspace.
I think the issue here is that a lot of assumptions are being made about Yuru's motivations. I have not read the manga, but I think there's a few key things to note about Yuru:
1.) The only thing that seemed to tie Yuru to the village was Asa. Everything he did was for her, and the 1st episode seemed to suggest that Yuru would have liked to leave the village to go "work" at the bottom of the mountain with their parents if he was able to also bring Asa.
2.) The only other person Yuru seemed close to was Danji, who also didn't die.
3.) When Yuru and Danji stumbled on that group of villagers who had been killed, Danji was freaking out, while Yuru was strangely calm and focused.
4.) The story seems to be putting a huge focus on Yuru being a natural "hunter", both in terms of skills and in terms of mindset. The members in the Kagemori seemed to be surprised at how willing he is to harm/kill people if he deems it necessary.
5.) Since being told about the false Asa, Yuru has now been shown to be distrustful of the village and also Dera/Hana to some degree. And now after being told that the village sent assassins after his parents, he probably is now very distrustful.
I write all of this just to say that the story seems to be suggesting that A.) Yuru never really had strong ties to the village to begin with, and B.) Yuru isn't as affected by death as the normal person is.
This isn't to say that he doesn't care at all. He's clearly has been shown to be angered by it to some degree. But he was still able to control his anger and think rationally, and even put some level of trust in the Kagemori despite knowing they slaughtered the village because he doesn't know who to fully trust/distrust.
**This seems to be why Yuru wants to see his parents. It appears he used to be very close with them when he was a kid and still thinks of them fondly, so they are the only people he feels he would be able to trust. He likely wants to get answers from them, as he doesn't feel he will get the whole truth from the Kagemori or Tadera.**
確かに、ユルの動機を色々と推測しすぎてる気がするな。俺も原作読んでないけど、いくつかポイントあると思う:
- ユルが村に執着してたのはアサだけ。彼女のために動いてたし、両親と一緒に山の麓で働きたかったんだろう
- ダンジ以外に親しい人はいなかったし、彼も生きてる
- 村人が殺された現場でも、ユルは冷静で「狩人」としての本能が強い
- 影守のメンバーも、彼の殺傷への躊躇のなさに驚いてた
- 偽アサの件で村に不信感を持ち、両親に刺客が送られたと知ってさらに疑心暗鬼に
つまり、ユルは元々村との絆が薄く、死に動じない性格なんだと思う。全く気にしないわけじゃないけど、怒りを抑えて合理的に動ける。だからこそ両親に会いたがってるんだろうな。子供の頃は仲良かったし、今も信頼できる唯一の存在だから。普通くん+56
Peleg_Amir
We need more anime watchers like you
ワイもそう思うわ
お前みたいな視聴者がもっと増えてほしいンゴwww2ちゃん+21
HarshTheDev
My main issue is did Yuru genuinely stop giving a fuck about his sister the instant he found she wasnt his real sister? Asa literally murdered her Infront of him. Yea I know she was fake and all, but still he revered her so much in the first episode, is he really *never* gonna bring her up again??
確かに、ユルが実の妹じゃないって知った瞬間に妹への想いを完全に捨てたように見えるのは気になる。アサが目の前で妹を殺したのに。偽物だったとはいえ、第1話ではあんなに大事にしてたのに、もう二度と話題にしないのかな…普通くん+9
ichigosr5
I mean, he literally saw a dark, shadowy being come out of her body after she "died".
Again, right now, Yuru has no idea who he should or shouldn't trust. So him main concern is gathering information and trying to find his parents.
いや、彼が妹に対して無関心になったわけではないと思う。むしろ、彼女の身体から「死後」に闇の影のような存在が出てくるのを実際に目撃しているんだ。この状況を踏まえると、ユルは現在誰を信じるべきか全く判断できない状態にある。だからこそ、彼の最優先事項は情報収集と両親を探すことになっている。これは彼の合理的な判断であり、感情の欠如ではないという考察ができる。考察くん+25
Thomas_JCG
If the sister was a person and not a shadow demon, you maybe would have a point.
確かに!もし姉が影の悪魔じゃなくて人間だったならその意見もわかるけど、現実は違うしな。ツガイの設定考えたらユルの反応も納得だわ。感情くん+9
Thomas_JCG
"I like that the main character is proactive but I don't like that he doesn't go on emotional outbursts and can control himself".
What?
え?なにそれ。主人公が自己コントロールできて感情的に爆発しないのがダメってこと?むしろそれがいいところじゃん。普通くん+12
CrimsonGear80
Can i get a hug?
え、ちょっとハグしてほしいの?笑 まじで可愛すぎじゃん!ギュッてしちゃうよ〜!ギャル+17
ShinJiwon
Am I the only one who expected Yuru to ask Jin a bunch of questions while in the car ride? Like the entire car ride just went on without a conversation. Jin admitted to ordering the attack on Higashi village, why not ask him why he did so.
Yuru is obviously angry about the villagers slaughtered but he is just not asking about it.
確かにユルが車中でジンにいろいろ質問するかと思ったよな。あの移動中、会話ゼロで終わっちゃったし。ジンが東の村襲撃を指示したって認めてるのに、なんでそうしたのか聞かないんだろう。ユルが村人殺しに怒ってるのは明らかなのに、その話をしないのは気になるね。普通くん+13
runevault
Flip side why should he believe whatever reasons they give? They could be lying through their teeth. Even though his parents abandoned him I get wanting answers from them instead of the murderers.
確かに!親から直接話聞きたいって気持ちはめっちゃわかるよ!殺し屋の言うことなんて信じられないしな。でも車中で質問責めにしないのは逆に冷静すぎじゃね?笑ギャル+12
Spyderem
原文
Okay we’re five episodes in. Enjoyable, but this show needs to start giving a few more answers.
I get a story like this needs mysteries. But all the death and destruction from the first episode is weighing this whole show down. They need to explain. I don’t need every detail. But I need some justification. Otherwise every scene with Jin, Gobble Girl, and Asa are tainted. And what about their comrades who died? Did they not matter? What was the point of it all? Why doesn’t anyone care?
And frankly the same goes for Yuru. Those were his people. It was a small knit village. I get that he cares about finding his parents, but the story can do both. Show me he actually cares about the attack.
Fuck. If Yuru doesn’t care then certainly no one in this story will. Which would be a shame. It would mean all the death and destruction was just a big attention grabbing opening with no actual meaning or consequence.
Prove me wrong show. I like everything else that is going on here. But every other scene I’m annoyed that they’re not addressing the stuff that happened in the first episode.
5話まで観たけど面白いには面白い。でもそろそろ謎に対する答えを出し始めるべきだと思う。
こういうストーリーに謎が必要なのは理解してる。でも1話の大量の死と破壊が作品全体に重くのしかかってるんだよな。説明が必要だ。細かいところまでは求めないが、何らかの正当性が欲しい。さもなければ、ジンやゴブルガール、アサのシーンが全部色褪せて見える。死んだ仲間たちはどうなる?彼らには価値がなかったのか?あの全てに何の意味があった?なぜ誰も気にしないんだ?
同じことがユルにも言える。あれは彼の村で、小さな共同体だった。親を探すのも大事だが、両方描けるはずだ。彼が襲撃を本当に気にしていることを見せてくれ。
くそっ。ユルが気にしないなら、この作品で誰も気にしないってことになる。それは残念だ。つまり、あの死と破壊は単なる注目を集めるためのオープニングで、実際の意味も結果もなかったってことになる。
間違ってると証明してくれ、作品。他の部分は全部好きだ。でもシーンごとに「1話の出来事に触れないのか」とイライラしてしまう。考察くん+14
Maybe_this_time_fr
Did the author messed up by making the village massacre too extreme? Especially with how evil Gabby was during the massacre. Because this attempt of making the Kagemori look like the good guys is really annoying.
村の虐殺をやりすぎたんじゃね?特にガビィのクズっぷりがヤバすぎたわ。それで影森を善人扱いしようとしてるのがマジでムカつくンゴwww2ちゃん+13
Oxu90
Hoping there will be later some very very good explanation or that they actually are the bad guys.
And no way that made any sense if thr goal was to "rescue" the brother, yeah lets massacre people he lived with most of his life, that makes him warm to our cause!
「村の虐殺描写が極端すぎた」という意見には同意しかねる。むしろ、この過激さこそが『黄泉のツガイ』のテーマを浮き彫りにしていると考察できる。
今後の展開で「彼らこそが悪役だった」という真相が明かされる可能性は高い。なぜなら、目的が「弟の救出」なら、村人を皆殺しにするのは合理的な説明がつかないからだ。むしろ、この矛盾こそが後半の伏線だと思われる。制作陣は意図的に「主人公側の正義」を疑わせる構造を仕込んでいるんだよな。考察くん+7
gobluebengal21
those daemons that were at gabby's door looked awfully familiar....
ギャビーのドアにいた悪魔たち、なんかすごく見覚えあるんだけど…普通くん+11
CaralhinhosVoadorez
Ed...ward...
エド…ワード…やんけ草
あの悪魔ども、ガビーのとこにいたやつやろ?ガチで思い出したわ2ちゃん+5
Notjumex12
原文
I dont mind being kept on my toes to figure who is the true bad, but I cannot take this whole avoidance they're doing about why tf they had to slaughter a bunch of civilians at the beginning lol
I dont mind humanizing villains and making them likeable, dorohedoro is a magnificent example with how en and the en family are all super cool af even they've been portrayed as anti to our mcs in the beginning. But the fact that there's no questioning by yuru why tf they had to raid and slaughter by all our accounts innocent civilians, is taking me out.
Hell it was framed by the gaby character with the whole I dint want to see the guy that put holes in me but if that not had happened would she had been OK going with asa and showing herself even though she disappeared people's half body's with her daemon? (Im not so sure this is the best framing of this sentence so hopefully it sounds clear)
So yea this is the only part that's taking me out of this otherwise good series so far
確かに、真の悪役が誰なのか読者に考えさせる展開自体は面白いんだが、序盤でなぜ一般市民を虐殺しなければならなかったのかという根本的な問いを、作中で完全に避けているのが気になるな。
ドロヘドロのように、エン一家が主人公側の敵として描かれつつも魅力的で、なおかつ悪役の人間化に成功している作品もある。しかし本作では、ユルがなぜ無実の民間人を襲撃・虐殺したのか、その動機や倫理的疑問がまったく掘り下げられていないのが没入感を削いでいる。
ガビ的なキャラ(消去法で推測するにユル?)の「俺に穴を開けた奴を見たくない」という描写も、もしその出来事がなければ彼女はアサと共に行動し、自分の悪魔で人々の半身を消すことを容認していたのか?という伏線として機能しているかは微妙だ。
つまり、この一点だけが、今のところ良作である本作から俺を引き離している要素だと言わざるを得ない。考察くん+10
Accipiter1138
Arakawa managed to humanize Scar from FMA just fine.
But Scar also never casually murdered parents in front of their children while they were running away. Damn it, he murdered parents and then stewed in that guilt for years.
But yeah, I'm gonna need some REALLY good character work on Gabby in the future to find her interesting.
確かに。アラカワは鋼の錬金術師でスカーをちゃんと人間味あるキャラに描けてたよね。
でもスカーは逃げる子供の前で親を平気で殺したりしなかったし、その後何年も罪悪感に苦しんでた。ギャビーは今後本当にいいキャラ描写がないと興味持てないな。普通くん+7
Boris-_-Badenov
one of those outsider voices (or someone betraying that group) is very familiar. I know I've heard his voice
わかる!外の声の一人(もしくはそのグループを裏切った奴)の声めっちゃ聞き覚えあるんだよ!絶対どこかで聴いたことある声だ!!感情くん+11
Blah_Person
ootsuka takeo?
確かに、大塚剛央っぽいね。普通くん+8
Izanaginookami10
Damn, it has been a while since I cursed aloud at a cliffhanger. Well done, really well done.
It simply shows how immersed I was. What can I say, I'm greatly enjoying it.
マジでやばっ!久々に続き気になりすぎて思わず声出ちゃったんだけど笑
マジで最高すぎるじゃん!
それだけ引き込まれてるってことだよね〜めっちゃ楽しんでるわ!ギャル+11
Ao_Kiseki
原文
I find it really hard to believe they're going to be able to justify gleefully killing all those people in the village lol. Like you can tell me they sent assassins after her, but you're not going to convince me that every single adult there, including the terrified rice farmers that think con trails are dragons farting, were trained killers fully aware of what was going on. Even if they all knew, they were clearly running and hiding.
Gabby was laughing as she disemboweled them and blew their limbs off in front of their families and children. These guys are evil no matter what you try to tell me, and I think that's going to really hurt the narrative going forward.
村の人たち全員を嬉々として殺すのを正当化するのは難しいと思うよ。確かに彼らは刺客を送ってきたけど、飛行機雲を竜のオナラだと思ってるような怖がりの農民たち全員が、事情を知ってる訓練された殺し屋だったって言われても納得できない。たとえ全員が知ってたとしても、明らかに逃げて隠れてたじゃん。
ギャビーは笑いながら彼らを切り裂いて、家族や子供たちの前で手足を吹き飛ばしてたんだよ。何を言われようと、こいつらは悪人だと思うし、それが今後のストーリーに悪影響を与えるんじゃないかな。普通くん+11
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Lol the hare daemon acting smug with Right was so funny, I wonder if they'll eventually have to work together in the future, that could be funny.
I'm curious to see what Akio's daemons can do since Haruo's is very straight forward and Jin has explained what his can do. I did like how particularly affectionate Jin sounded as he talk about them, it feels like he's presented to be rigid and coldhearted, but it seems like he has a softer side like how he interacts with Asa.
Asa and Yuru's interactions was a lot more comedic than I thought it'd be, I do like how Yuru is shutting down her request to hug him. She's gotta work for that trust.
As always Yuru's introduction to all that is the modern era continues to be amusing, I like how Haruo was confused by Yuru more outraged by drawing blood from women and children, than violence lol.
ウサギの使い魔がライト相手にイキってるの草生えるわwww 将来コイツら一緒に仕事せなあかんようになったりせえへんかな、それもまた面白そうやしな
昭夫の使い魔がどんなんか気になるわー。春雄のは直球やし、ジンのは説明あったしな。でもジンが使い魔の話する時めっちゃ愛情こもっててワロタ。あいつ堅物で冷徹なイメージやけど、朝ちゃんと接する時みたいに柔らかいとこあるんやな
朝とユルのやり取り思ってたよりコメディ色強くて草。ユルが抱っこのリクエスト拒否るとこ好きやわ。信頼は積み重ねやで
ユルの現代社会への適応シリーズ今回も面白いな。春雄が「女や子供から血を取る」って暴力よりそっちに怒ってて困惑してるの笑うわw2ちゃん+8
Karl151
原文
This is going to be lame if they don't address the village massacre directly. Like it can't just be some aura farming way of introducing the story and grab attention only to be swept under the rug. If the village was sending assassins does that implicate everyone in the village? Like what kind of assassins were they when they all got killed without even fighting back? I don't know, I like this show but that's bad writing if it the MC is fine with joining teams with them and not ever bringing it up. I hope he asks them to explain themselves after they get out of this battle
村の虐殺に直接触れないなら、これは微妙だな。話の導入として雰囲気だけ盛って注目集めて、後でなかったことにするのはダメでしょ。村が刺客を送ってたってことは、村人全員が関与してるってこと?しかも反撃もせずに全滅って、どんな刺客だよ。この作品好きだけど、主人公が戦い終わった後に彼らに説明を求めないなら、それはただの悪い脚本だと思う。ちゃんと説明してほしいわ。普通くん+9
Thomas_JCG
原文
Why do people keep assuming that Yuru is joining the Kagemori team is beyond me. He went there for the explicit purpose of interrogating Asa so he can learn the truth about his parents and the attack, but people keep acting like he just put the other team colors. It's like the idea of a character that is smart enough to listen both sides without letting his emotions dictate his actions is a foreign concept entirely.
せやな、村の虐殺を直接描かんとしょっぱくなるのは同意や
でもユルがカゲモリチームに加入したって決めつけるのは草生えるわ
ワイからしたらユルは両親の真実を知るためにアサを問い詰めに行っただけで、チームカラー変えたわけちゃうやん
感情的にならずに両方の話を聞けるキャラって概念が理解できてないんかね2ちゃん+15
Thomas_JCG
By "endear", do you mean "people having their own personalities and not just being murdering 24/7"? The opening shows every character, even the ones that haven't been introduced yet. Stop with the assumptions.
「好感が持てる」ってつまり「キャラに個性があって24時間殺人鬼じゃないってこと?」って意味?オープニングでまだ登場してないキャラまで映ってるんだから、決めつけはやめようよ。普通くん+6
djthomp
Turns out reuniting the twins is probably a bad idea, given that the very first time it happened some third party attacks.
I wonder if what they said about the village sending assassins after the parents was true. Where they are seems like at least the initial big plot point for the story.
Boss dude seemed sus, plus it looked like he has butterfly daemons and you just can't trust those things.
双子を再会させるのは多分やべー選択やったんやな。初回でいきなり第三者が襲撃してきてるし。
村が両親に刺客送ったって話、マジやったんかな。あの場所が少なくとも物語の最初のデカイ伏線っぽいンゴね。
ボスっぽいやつは怪しいし、蝶の悪魔みたいなの持ってるから信用ならんわ。そういうのは絶対ヤバい。2ちゃん+9
LivingLikeJasticus
I don’t understand… they killed everyone in the village. Why is he trusting them?
わからん……村のみんな殺したのに、なんであいつら信じてるんだよッ!?しんどすぎるわこの展開……感情くん+7
HolyDragSwd2500
One of the Tsugai looks like……. OMG
やばくね!?ツガイの一体がさ……マジでやばいんだけど!!ギャル+7
ThrangOul
Is the episode even coming out today, given it's the golden week?
今日のエピソードってゴールデンウィークだから放送あるのかな?普通くん+5
thecoopbros
Is this episode not dubbed?
この回、吹き替え版ないんか?2ちゃん+7
runevault
Isn't on CR proper at least. Wonder if anyone has Crunchy on Prime to confirm if the same issue is there.
CRにはまだないっぽいね。プライムのCrunchyrollで同じ問題起きてるか誰か確認してほしいな。普通くん+5
Fantastic_Status_117
Is the dub coming out today?
今日ダブ配信されるんか?2ちゃん+8
ARES_GOD
I really hope we are going to be getting some straight answers soon with what is happening
And I dont mean the entire series and plot resolved but some answers about the village and the Kagemoris
やばっ!早くストレートな答えがほしいよね!
村とか影森家の話、全部じゃなくていいからさ〜ちょっとだけでも教えてほしいんだけど!ギャル+5
FLorianGran
Well it's safe to say the Kagemori group are not the villains of the show
影森グループが悪役って線は消えたな。敵じゃなかったんやな2ちゃん+5
Zero3020
The Kagemori clan seems to have different factions within it, and it would seem that despite Jin's group perpetrating a massacre in the Higashi village they are not the villains.
確かに!影森一族にも派閥あるっぽいし、陣一派が東の村で虐殺やらかしてても悪役じゃないってのがエモすぎるッ!感情くん+21
zenograff
Nah, they massacred villagers who didn't fight back. Can't justify that.
いやいや、無抵抗の村人たちを虐殺したんだよ?それってさすがに擁護できなくない?笑ギャル+7
FLorianGran
The show's not framing it that way at all
確かに、作品はそんな描き方してないと思うけどな。普通くん+11
International_Leg666
A capable Mc right off the bat. That's quite interesting. Left can't help herself with being so Yum.
ワイは最初から有能な主人公好きやわ。結構面白いンゴ。レフトがもうガチでユムすぎて草生えるwww2ちゃん+5
theKGS
I suspect there's going to be an explanation somehow, but yeah it's a bit jarring.
確かに説明はありそうだけど、ちょっと違和感あるよね。普通くん+5
_Sai
Makoto, I need some RAM and a GPU.
誠、RAMとGPUくれ2ちゃん+5
spiken18
原文
For all anime onlys, just an FWI. This is not a typical fast paced battle Shonen, it is more of a **Mystery**, Adventure, SOL type of Shonen with some action. You won’t get answers quickly, and you won’t understand why the characters act the way they do in a quick manner. All I can say is that you will get answers but it will take a while for some answers, maybe not even this season. You must understand this if you want to enjoy this anime.
アニメ勢に一つだけ言っておくけど、これは普通のバトル物ジャンプ作品とはちょっと違うんだよね。どっちかっていうと**ミステリー**×冒険×日常系って感じで、アクションはおまけ程度。答えはすぐに出ないし、キャラの行動理由もすぐには理解できないと思う。でもちゃんと答えは来るから、ただ時間はかかるよ。今期では終わらない謎もあるかも。それを理解してから観た方が楽しめると思う。普通くん+5
C12345hey
is this on crunchyroll yet because i dont see it yet
まだクランチロールに来てないの!?見当たらないんだけど早く配信してくれよおおッ!!感情くん+5
diacewrb
It is there now.
今あるで。さっき確認したわ。2ちゃん+5
EyeDeeAh_42
Yuru's only attachment to the village seems to be his sister, who turned out to be a 'fake' made for the purpose of tying him down to the village. The only other bond Yuru had was with Danji, who wasn't at least killed before his eyes.
Yuru is obviously quite distrustful of Asa and Co., but I get why he can no longer think of his village as innocent.
ユルの村への執着って結局妹だけだったけど、あれも村に縛り付けるための“偽物”だったってのが判明したしな。もう一つ絆があった団治も、少なくとも目の前で殺されることはなかったけど。
ユルが朝たちを明らかに疑ってるのはわかるけど、村を無邪気だと思えなくなったのも当然だよね。普通くん+9
EyeDeeAh_42
原文
That "some attachement"... however little, is why he is so cold to Asa in the first place, despite her being his real sister. We could see Yuru visibly grappling with the desire of hurting Jin when the latter admitted to being the one responsible for the massacre. We could see him gritting his teeth in restraint becaise he cannot fathom Asa siding with the Kagemoris.
Just because Yuru is not yelling or throwing hands doesn't mean he is not mad. He's instead doing the smarter thing in the enemy territory, gathering information from the only person he can trust-- his real sister, who knows his parents' whereabouts. He can demand any number of answers from the Kagemoris, but he doesn't trust them, so why should he trust their answers?
「あの“少しの情”……たとえ僅かでも、それが最初からああまで朝に冷たく接する理由なんやろな。実の妹やのに」
「ユルがジンに虐殺の犯人やと認められた時、明らかに傷つけたい欲求と戦っとったわ。歯食いしばって我慢してたんや。朝が景森家の味方につくって信じられへんからな」
ユルが怒鳴ったり手を出さんからって、怒ってないわけちゃうねん。敵地で賢く立ち回って、信頼できる唯一の味方――両親の居場所を知る実の妹から情報集めてるだけや。
景森家にいくら質問しても、答えを信じる義理なんてないやろ?2ちゃん+8
Thomas_JCG
He only managed to ask two things before they got attacked, and he was pretty pissed about the answers. Just because he wasn't shouting to the heavens doesn't mean he was not angry.
攻撃される前に2つしか質問できなかったし、その答えにかなりムカついてたよ。大声で叫んでなかっただけで、怒ってなかったわけじゃないんだ。普通くん+9
AntiBomb
He had a whole car ride with the three dudes and didn't ask anything.
あの3人と車で移動中に何も聞かなかったってマ?ワイなら聞きまくってたンゴwww2ちゃん+6
Upper-Pollution1121
Nah he's still alive
いや、まだ生きてるよ普通くん+14
Top-Society1540
No, Asa just ran past his friend and his mom.
え、ちょっと待って!アサ、友達とママの前を普通に通り過ぎてったんだけど!?やばくね!?ギャル+11
Viridun
There might be different factions within both overall groups that have different methods. Or Hana and Dera just know more than Yuru but far less than the full truth.
確かに、両方のグループ内に異なる方法論を持つ派閥があるかもしれないね。あるいはハナとデラはユルよりは知ってるけど、真実全体には遠く及ばないって可能性もある。普通くん+5
Thomas_JCG
Hana and Dera inherited those jobs, they might not know everything that happens at the village.
花とデラはその仕事を継いだだけやし、村で何が起きてるか全部知ってるわけやないやろな2ちゃん+5
Oxu90
He is angry with them and looks for answers. Worse writing is the fact his sister though that was great plan and expects her brother would forgive her any time soon.
彼は彼らに怒ってて答えを探してるんだよね。それに姉が「良い計画だ」と思ってて、兄がすぐに許してくれると思ってるってのが、もっと酷い書き方だと思う。普通くん+5