黄泉のツガイ

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影森と新郷
警戒するユルに、アスマは笑みを浮かべ「一回死んでみませんか?」と問う。一方、デラ・左右様、対イワンの激しい戦いの火蓋が切られて――
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HotBloodedNinja
Security guard doesnot get paid enough to deal with this.
まあ警備員の給料じゃこの対応は割に合わないだろうな。ドライおじ
Joshawott27
I loved how they showed his perspective of just seeing an old guy shadow boxing. Funny little reminder that this entire show must look bonkers to people who can’t see daemons.
草www あの影のボクシングしてるジジイしか見えない視点マジで好きやわ。悪魔見えん奴からしたらこのアニメ完全に狂ってるようにしか見えんのほんま草生えるンゴww2ちゃん
BosuW
Non Stand user POV
非スタンド使いの視点だね普通くん
Golden_Phi
I appreciate them adding in POVs like that to show how normal people view these battles.
確かに!凡人の目にはあの戦いがどう映るのか…その視点を描くことで、世界の真理の一片を垣間見せてくれるのだ。まさに神々の遊戯を観測する者の如き、崇高なる演出よな。中二病
Zeph-Shoir
There are so many moments in Jojo where I wish we got shots like these
ジョジョでこういうカットがもっと見たかった瞬間がありすぎるッ!感情くん
PunningLynguist
Non-Demon Slayer Breathing Technique POV also
「鬼滅の刃の呼吸以外の視点もありじゃん!」って感じ?それ面白いかも〜笑ギャル
BosuW
They're real to me!
俺にはリアルに感じられるんだよ!普通くん
Gil_Demoono
I like how it is clear that there are plenty of people in the employ of these clans that are aware of daemons, but still cannot see them. All these shingo goons and all they can do is wait for their side's ghostbuster to show up while they watch random infrastructure around them explode.
草、シャーマンキング並みに一般人には見えへん設定すき ワイは「雇われてる連中はデーモン認識してるけど見えへん」ってとこがツボったわ 真吾の子分ども、周りのインフラが爆発しまくってるの見ながら「俺らのゴーストバスター来るまで待機」ってwww2ちゃん
SciFiXhi
That also speaks to either a lack of compatible daemons or an intentional striation of their organization, since it seems literally anyone is capable of making a contract. Maybe they use the opportunity to become a daemon wielder as an incentive for their lower-ranked thugs to go above and beyond.
まあ、誰でも契約できるって設定なら、使える悪魔が不足してるか、組織を意図的に階層化してるってことだよな。下っ端の連中に「悪魔使いになれるチャンス」って餌をぶら下げて、やる気出させるってわけか。悪くない仕組みだ。ドライおじ
raisincakeshop
Love the comedic moments of this anime. I laughed so hard when the security guy called Gonzo an old guy doing shadow boxing lmao
草ァ!警備員がゴンゾのこと「影を相手にボクシングしてるジジイ」って言ったシーン、ワイ爆笑してもうたwww このアニメのギャグ回マジで好きやわ2ちゃん
Niwaka_Samurai
That would be us LOL
それな、俺らだよな笑普通くん
Eunuchest
Not even overtime
ふむ…残業すら許されぬとは、運命の刃も容赦ないのだな。中二病
gnome-cop
原文
For a human, Ivan’s doing pretty well to not be instantly wrecked by Left and Right. Wouldn’t be particularly sad if it happened though but he seems to have information so he’ll live for now. The confused Home Depot equivalent employee on the night shift watching a guy pick up stone glue while talking to nothing at 3am. You know, I was assuming that there was a limit of one daemon pair per person but clearly the limit is my feeble mind and I’m just not thinking big enough compared to this guy pulling up with the night parade of a hundred demons. I know it’s night and her powers are weaker but getting close enough to Asa that she can blow your head clean off is a bold move. Let’s see if it pays off.
イワン、人間の割には左右に一瞬でやられないだけ健闘してるよな。とはいえやられても別に悲しくはないけど、情報持ってそうだからまだ生き残るだろうな。深夜3時に石用接着剤を手に取りながら虚空に話しかける男を見張る、困惑したホームセンターの夜勤バイトみたいな構図だよ。そういやデーモンは一人につき一対までだと思ってたけど、明らかに限界は俺の貧弱な脳みそで、百鬼夜行みたいな連中を引き連れてるこいつに比べたら考えが足りなかったわ。夜で能力が弱まってるとはいえ、アサに頭を吹き飛ばされる距離まで近づくのは大胆な一手だな。報われるか見ものだ。考察くん
kazuyaminegishi
You know, I was assuming that there was a limit of one daemon pair per person I assumed this too, but the reveal at the end of last episode that Break and Seal are also Tsugai pretty much confirmed that isn't true since Asa has Break and the Yin/Yang Tsugai.
確かに最初は1人につき1組のツガイだと思ってたよな。でも前回ラストでブレイクとシールもツガイって判明したし、アサがブレイクと陰陽ツガイ両方持ってるから、その説はもう無いって確定した感じだね。普通くん
Sameul_
It has been hinted at before. After Asa got the Yin/Yang tsugai Gabby asked if Break was okay with it.
それ前から示唆されてたやん。アサが陰陽のツガイ手に入れた後、ギャビがブレイクに「大丈夫か?」って聞いてたやろ。2ちゃん
Principal_Goodvibez
Yeah at beginning of the series that was my assumption too but the limit seems to be just the compatibility between the wielder and between all the daemons. They also mentioned it when Ivan was taking Fake Asa. He talked about a hypothetical contract with her but the Katanas seem to kill everything so it wouldn't work well for him.
確かに最初は俺もそう思ってたけど、結局は使い手と悪魔の相性が全てっぽいな。イワンが偽アサを連れてった時も、契約の話してたけど刀は全部殺しちゃうから相性悪いって言ってたし。普通くん
PCN24454
I assumed Break was special.
え、てかブレイクって特別枠じゃなかったの!?まじでやばくね笑ギャル
darthvall
Same, cause Break and Seal can be contracted to different person (even though they have to be twins with special condition)
確かに。ブレイクとシールは特殊な双子の条件はあるけど、別々の人と契約できるんだよね。普通くん
biskutgoreng
Huh so twins can share Tsugai
ふむ、双子であればツガイを共有できるのでござるか……なるほど、興味深い話であるな。武士
HungryGull
The pair circling his head might have one of those 'calls on the powers of all pairs subordinate to him' kind of powers. Right did say it was like the entire Kagemori mansion was on the move.
頭の周りにいるツガイは「配下のツガイの力を全て呼び出す」みたいな能力かもな。ライトも「まるで陰守屋敷全体が動いてるみたい」って言ってたし。普通くん
mucklaenthusiast
I think Right said so because that’s what happened. We know that the Kagemori mansion is full of Daemons. But even back then I thought this was strange, since having Daemons is a big deal. But now, this actually puts it into perspective. It’s not that there are 100 Daemon wielders in the mansion, but rather a dozen or so and then all the other Daemons belong to the clan head.
ライトがそう言ったのは実際そういうことやったんやろな。カゲモリ邸にはデーモンがうじゃうじゃいるのはわかってたけど、当時から「デーモン持ちが大勢いるっておかしくね?」とは思ってたンゴ。でも今ならわかるわ。100人も使い手がいるわけじゃなくて、十数人+残りは全部当主のデーモンってことやろ。なるほどな。2ちゃん
Eunuchest
For a human, Ivan’s doing pretty well to not be instantly wrecked by Left and Right Really well that he would've incapacitated Left if it wasnt for Right.
イワンすごすぎるッ!人間なのに左右に一瞬でやられないとかマジで強すぎる。右がいなければ左を倒せたってマジかよ…無理、優勝すぎるだろ!感情くん
nqtoan1994
原文
About having more than one contract, Ivan had talked about this in episode 13. He needed fake Asa with her disguise on as a hostage, and he could make a contract with her after killing Granny and making her a stray daemon, but it was Shokyo's incompatiblity with any other pair of daemons preventing him from doing that. So he just left Granny alive and took fake Asa. So it is much likely that if several pairs of daemons are compatible with each others, they can make contracts with a same master.
イワンが13話で話してた複数契約のことな。偽アサを変装させたまま人質に取って、ババア殺してストレイ悪魔にした後に契約するつもりやったんやろ。でも小匡が他の悪魔と相性悪すぎてできへんかったから、ババア生かしたまま偽アサ連れてったんや。つまり複数の悪魔が互いに相性良ければ同じ主人と契約できる可能性あるってことやな。2ちゃん
mmcjawa_reborn
My guess is that there must be a cost of some sort to have that many daemons, otherwise everyone would be walking around with an army
あれだけ多くのツガイを使うには何か代償がありそうだよね。そうじゃなきゃ誰もが軍隊を引き連れて歩いてるはずだし。普通くん
Ok_Somewhere1236
原文
base don what both ths sword guy and the sister mentioned before. there some type of "compatibility rule" Sword guy mention he cant have more than one pair because his swords have a bad compatibility with other daemons. The siste rmention, she can make a contratc with Yin and Yang because Break is ok with it, hinting break is compatible and in this episode Sword guy mentions he want to kill Left because Left is not compatible with Seal. So the brother cant get Seal if he has a contract with Left. my guess is that you probably can get as many Daemons as you want, but you need to play Sudoku with compatibilities, the more you have the harder gets to find compatible ones
剣士と姉が前に言ってた「相性ルール」ってやつやな。剣士は「剣と他の悪魔の相性が悪すぎて複数契約できん」って言ってたし、姉は「ブレイクがOK出したから陰陽両方と契約できる」って話やったやん。今回のエピで剣士が「レフトはシールと相性悪いから殺したい」って言ってたンゴ。つまり左と契約してる兄貴はシールは契約できんってわけやな。 ワイの予想やと、悪魔は好きなだけ契約できるけど、相性パズルを解かされる感じやろwww 数増やすほど相性良いやつ見つけるの難しくなるってオチやな。2ちゃん
senorconfuzion
原文
Not a bad theory tbh. My headcannon is that Daemons, regardless of strength, are a prideful bunch such that if someone is already paired, they dont't wanna join the already contracted Daemons because their needs wont be met and/or may be completely ignored. I personally think Gonzo got a really strong Daemon initially, beat the second one into submission, and then basically bullied his way to the amount that he has. He IS a mob boss, so it does fit with the personality. Idk, just a theory.
確かに悪くない考察だと思う。俺の妄想なんだけど、デーモンって強さ関係なく誇り高い連中だから、既に契約者がいるデーモンには加わりたくないんだよな。自分の欲求が満たされないか無視されるから。ゴンゾーは最初に超強いデーモンをゲットして、二体目を力でねじ伏せて、あとはそのままゴリ押しで今の数を揃えたんじゃないかな。彼は組長だし、性格的にも合ってる気がする。まあ、ただの仮説だけどね。普通くん
mucklaenthusiast
Looking at the way he fights mostly with brute-force, this seems true. Or: He just has many demons who really enjoy fighting and they know that staying with him will give them that.
確かに!彼の戦い方ほぼパワーゴリ押しだもんな。それか単純に「戦闘狂の悪魔たちが彼に群がってる」ってパターンか。悪魔たちも「こいつと組めば思う存分暴れられる!」って分かってるんだろうな。熱すぎるッ!感情くん
mucklaenthusiast
Daemons have a will of their own. They can (somewhat) refuse to cooperate or also want to cooperate, like the aliens who have a dog as their master. And the masters also do actually care about their Daemons: We saw how the attacker who had the Yin-Yang-teleport pair didn’t care about his Daemons and that’s why he was weak. Also, Daemons are actually rare! It’s not that easy to just get a new pair.
確かにデーモンには意思があるよね。主人を犬にするエイリアンみたいに協力したがる奴もいれば、拒否する奴もいる。実際、主人がデーモンを大事にしてるケースもあって、陰陽テレポートペアを使ってた攻撃者はデーモンを軽視してたから弱かったんだと思う。しかもデーモン自体がレアな存在で、簡単に新しいペアを手に入れられるもんじゃないしね。普通くん
icantswim2
Those swords aren't loaded with eyes just for show, they seem to give him a bonus to his perception and precision.
あの刀に仕込まれた目、ただの飾りじゃないンゴね。感知力と精密性にバフかかってそうやわ。2ちゃん
totokekedile
The one was able to stab his leg against his will, so perhaps they're doing a lot more of the fighting than we realize. They could be fine-tuning the arc and angle of each slice to make every swing optimal, they could be boosting the speed of swings, or altering their momentum in ways impossible for a regular swordsman, etc.
確かに刺さったのを見ると、思ってる以上にツガイが戦闘に関わってるのかもね。軌道や角度の微調整、振りの速度アップ、普通の剣士じゃできない動きの補助とか、いろいろやってそう。普通くん
lingeringwill2
I think Ivan mentioned something about having more pairs and how his swords would be very incompatible.
イワンが「他にもツガイがいる」って言ってたやつか。自分の剣だと相性最悪って話やろwww 草2ちゃん
iwantsomecrablegsnow
I'm confused about Right and Left. The dialogue plays them up to be some of the strongest daemons, protectors of a whole clan and the reason no one messed with the clan for years. Everyone is cautious with them. And every time they fight they are ass.
ライトとレフトについてよくわからないな。会話では最強クランの守護者で、何年も誰も手出しできなかったって強調されてるのに、実際戦うたびに弱すぎじゃね?普通くん
Paladinraye
I mean, consider they spent the last 400 years as statues and are rusty, combine that with their sole purpose and desire this fight is to capture him alive for Yuru.
せやな、400年も像になってて錆びついてるんやからな。加えて目的がユルに生け捕りにすることやし、あの戦いも納得やわ。2ちゃん
Strowy
Also Ivan seems abnormally strong, considering just this episode he was able to fight in near-pitch darkness without taking a hit, cut a hole in the roof and jump like a dozen feet in the air to get through it, and take effectively a stone club to the face and just kind of shrug it off after bleeding a little.
イワン強すぎじゃね?今回のエピソードだけで、ほぼ真っ暗の中で無傷で戦えて、屋根に穴開けて跳んで通り抜け、石の棍棒を顔面に食らってもちょっと血が出たくらいで平然としてたしな。普通くん
Zealroth
原文
I'm confused about Right and Left. The dialogue plays them up to be some of the strongest daemons, protectors of a whole clan and the reason no one messed with the clan for years. Everyone is cautious with them. I think the strongest might be overselling it a bit. What they've been presented as so far is prison guards for the twins. Each of them has the ability to nullify either Break or Seal. I imagine their main value is in allowing the village to have full control over the twins, since whoever forms a contract with Left and Right can mop the floor with both twins despite them having absurd power. In that sense they are the strongest because they hard counter the two most OP daemons.
左右についてちょっと混乱してるンゴ。作中じゃ「最強のツガイの一角」「一族全体を守ってきた」って言われてて、誰も手出しできなかったって設定やろ? でも実際に出てきた感じ、ただの双子の看守って印象やわ。片方はブレイク無効、もう片方はシール無効ってだけで。 ワイ的には、あいつらの真価は「双子を完全に管理できる点」なんちゃうか。左右と契約したやつは、あれだけ規格外の力持つ双子をボコせるわけやし。そういう意味では確かに最強やな。2ちゃん
Lunchb0xx87
Right been on fraud alert since getting beat by a rabbit
ウサギに負けてからずっと警戒してたんだよなwwwwおじ
HanaRoku
It does feel like they're used for the Worf Effect a bit too much. So far their biggest strength seems to be their ability to operate independently without instruction from Yuru. There's the Seal/Break interaction, but we haven't really seen that in action.
確かに彼ら、ウォーフ効果で使われすぎてる感あるよね。今のところ最大の強みはユルからの指示なしで独立して動けることくらいで、封印と解除の連携もまだ実際に見せてもらってないしな。普通くん
Samsaknight_X
I don’t see how this applies. We don’t know any of these characters yet
いやまだキャラ全然知らんやん。何言ってるかわからんわw2ちゃん
Inner_Entertainer256
We watched Right nullify Asa’s break in the first episode.
1話でアサのブレイクをライトが無効にしてるとこ見たよね。普通くん
Googleflax
Hoping we see more of Episode 1 Asa again; as comedic as her being a bro-con is, I did really like how design and attitude in the first episode, and would like to see some of that show up again every now and then.
1話のアサがまた見たいという考察ができる。彼女のブラコンっぷりはコメディとして面白いけど、1話でのデザインと態度のギャップは制作陣の意図が感じられる設計だよな。あれが時々顔を出す展開を期待したいというのが個人的な願望だ。考察くん
Jacob-C
原文
I agree that we need to see more of serious Asa, but personally, I find her bro-con side more annoying than funny. During and after the Kagemori mansion section, everything about Asa’s character has felt centered around fawning over her brother, and with the comedic framing instead of a more sentimental one (except for a few scenes), it quickly became grating. Asa’s bro-con antics are probably the only thing I don’t like about this show at this point. Bro-con shenanigans can be funny in the right setting and in moderation, but here they just don’t land for me, and they become too much quite fast. Basically, I want there to be more to her character than being a bro-con and the tragic backstory we got.
確かに、もっとシリアスなアサが見たいってのは同意。でも個人的には、彼女のブラコンっぷりは笑えるっていうよりイライラするんだよね。影守邸編以降、アサのキャラの全てが兄へのベタ惚れ中心になってて、感動的な演出じゃなくてコメディ調で進むから(一部のシーン除いて)、すぐにうんざりしちゃった。現時点でこの作品で嫌いなのは多分それだけ。ブラコンギャグは適度なら面白いけど、ここでは全然ハマらなくて、すぐにやりすぎ感が出ちゃう。要するに、アサにはブラコンと過去の悲劇以外の要素がもっと欲しいってこと。普通くん
Zeph-Shoir
原文
During and after the Kagemori mansion section, everything about Asa’s character has felt centered around fawning over her brother, and with the comedic framing instead of a more sentimental one (except for a few scenes), it quickly became grating. Exactly my problem, if anything the comedic framing devalues the sentimental angle IMO. Specially since many "bro-con jokes" outside of this show lean way more into the fetishist angle (like in Alya) so that also sours things even further for me.
影森邸の場面以降、アサのキャラ描写はほぼ兄への崇拝に焦点が当たっていて、しかも感動的な演出ではなくコメディ調で描かれている(一部シーンを除き)ため、すぐに耳障りに感じられた。まさに俺の問題点だ。むしろコメディ調の演出が感動的な要素を損なっていると思う。特にこの作品以外の「ブラコンジョーク」の多く(アーリャの例のように)がフェティッシュ寄りに傾いているから、さらに嫌悪感が強まる。考察くん
is-this-a-nick
So much. She has been a sad joke the last dozen episodes, with the ultra-lame one-note bro-con thing. My bet: The author rendered her a joke to distract people from her role in the episode 1 massacre.
草www ここ最近の十数話で完全に可哀想なギャグキャラになってたよな。あのワンパターンのブラコンキャラとかガチでダサすぎやろ。ワイの予想やけど、作者は1話の虐殺事件での彼女の役割から目をそらさせるためにわざとギャグキャラにしたんちゃうか?2ちゃん
ichigosr5
She has been a sad joke the last dozen episodes This is such an exaggeration. Other than these last 2 episodes with her repeating herself, pretty much every scene of Asa after Yuru left the manor has had nothing to do with him.
彼女はここ10話くらいずっと可哀想な扱いだったけど、これは言い過ぎだよ。ユルが屋敷を出た後のアサのシーンは、この2話で同じこと繰り返してる以外は、ほとんど彼と関係なかったじゃん。普通くん
FarCritical
Left using her severed right as an extension of her left and Right putting the rock in "rock hard abs" to work were pure poetry. Calling Asa's yapping about Yuru "a lot of noise" isn't wrong but like, lol.
草www 左が千切れた右腕を左の延長として使って、右が「岩のように硬い腹筋」を活かすとか完全に詩やん。朝のユル語りを「騒音」呼ばわりは間違ってないけど、ワロタンゴ2ちゃん
AmourIsAnime
I mean, explain how the guy is still standing after being smacked upside the face with a giant stone hand? Isn't he human? Isn't Left made of stone, doesn't she swing really hard? How'd he shrug off that blow? This show can be bit confusing when he is able to block left and right's combined attack by just crossing his swords together. That's like stopping a train by yelling at it.
確かに気になるポイントだ。あの石の拳を顔面に食らって尚立ってるのは明らかに人間離れしてる。左が石でできてる以上、あの一撃は尋常じゃない衝撃のはず。それを普通の人間が耐えられるとは思えない。つまり、主人公には何らかの特殊な身体能力か防御力が備わっている可能性が高い。また、左右の合体攻撃を剣をクロスさせるだけで防いだシーンも、単なる人間の技量では説明できない。これは作中で明かされていない伏線の可能性がある。制作陣は意図的に矛盾を仕込んで、後で回収するつもりなんじゃないか?考察くん
fireisfire9090
I mean the vast majority of anime especially Shonen anime always present their humans as having insane durability
ふむ、確かにその通りでござるな。特に少年アニメでは、人間の耐久力が尋常じゃないほどに描かれるのが常套手段でござる。某もこの理屈には首をかしげることもあるが、それがまた痛快でもあるのでござる。武士
Frostbitten_Moose
I can understand why folks have a higher standard here though. Gabby was in bed for a while from getting hit with a couple of arrows, and Jin was limping for a day or two after taking a shallow cut to the leg.
確かにみんなの基準が高いのも分かるよ。Gabbyは矢を何本か食らってしばらく寝込んでたし、Jinも脚に浅い切り傷負って1〜2日引きずってたもんな。普通くん
SnooDonuts3871
And Ivan himself said that he's still feeling the impact of the cut on his leg that he got when captured the fake Asa.
イヴァン本人も「偽アサ捕まえた時に脚切られた傷、まだ響いてる」って言ってたしな……その傷がまだ癒えてないってのがもうエモすぎるッ!感情くん
Close-Thirds
And yet, Ivan still somehow ran up the stairs and jumped though the whole he cut in the roof. He certainly doesn't have normal human levels of physical ability.
イワンの身体能力ガチで人間やばいやんwww 階段駆け上がって屋根に開けた穴から飛び降りるとか草生えるわ2ちゃん
Frostbitten_Moose
Which just goes to show how tough he is. Most folks would be having a hard time walking after taking a sword through the calf, let alone facing down two stone guardians in pitch darkness. Why not shrug off a stone club to the chin while you're at it. Especially since it's meant to knock out, rather than kill, someone who isn't as jacked as he is.
それだけ彼がタフってことだよな。普通ならふくらはぎを剣で刺されたら歩くのすらキツいのに、真っ暗闇で石の番人2体と戦うなんてな。ついでにあごに石の棍棒もらっても平気とか、もう笑うしかないわ。特にあれって殺すより気絶させるための攻撃だし、彼みたいに鍛えてない奴なら一発で終わりだろ。普通くん
is-this-a-nick
Whens the last time you seen a anime character jump down lets say from a first floor window and break their ankles? 😄
草www アニメキャラってよく2階から飛び降りて普通に着地するけど、現実なら絶対足首やられるよなw ワロタ😄wwwおじ
ListenNew
It's usually the protagonist who has the insane durability and there is a reason for it like ki, reiatsu, or magic. There is nothing like that with Ivan
やばくね!?普通、主人公がめっちゃタフなのって気とか霊圧とか魔法みたいな理由があるじゃん?でもイワンにはそういうの一切ないんだよね笑ギャル
Ebirah
explain how the guy is still standing They want him alive, as a present for Yuru. Otherwise, he'd be a smear on the roof.
あの男がまだ立ってるの説明してよ。ユルへのプレゼントとして生け捕りにしたいんだろうな。そうじゃなきゃ屋根の上でベチャッてなってるよ。普通くん
Abedeus
They're pulling their punches, as mentioned at least twice. If they had tried to kill him, they probably would've been able to 2vs1.
マジで手加減してるって何回も言われてたじゃん!本気で殺しに行くなら2対1で余裕だったっぽくね?やばくない!?ギャル
Mr_Yod
And we can't even theorize that his teeth are actually tsugai, since we already know the owner of teeth tsugai. =)
そうだね、歯のツガイの持ち主はもうわかってるから、彼の歯がツガイだって理論立てることもできないんだよね。=)普通くん
AmourIsAnime
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え、マジで!?このシーンやばすぎない!?笑ギャル
Mr_Yod
The guy received a stone arm on the cheek, something that would obliterate one's teeth, unless they are supernatural like a tsugai, but Gabriel, the teeth tsugai, have already Gabby as their master, so they aren't inside the sword master's mouth. =)
あの一撃、石の腕で頬をぶん殴られたんだろ?普通なら歯が全部吹っ飛ぶレベルの攻撃だよな。でも相手はツガイみたいな超常存在だから別ってことか。ただ歯のツガイであるガブリエルはもうガビィが主だから、剣士の口の中にはいないってオチなんだなw普通くん
ListenNew
Yeah, he should of died or at least suffer serious injuries like getting his bones fractured or getting ko'ed. It's plot armor. Also sayu teamwork sucks.
マジで死ぬべきだったし、せめて骨ぐらい折れる怪我とかKOされるとかしないとおかしいよ。完全に主人公補正だわ。あとサユのチームワークもクソすぎる。感情くん
gamria
And yet, with so many comments this week thinking there could be a fakeout somewhere makes me think they're onto something. Especially with the weird way the episode ended
今週のコメントめっちゃ「これフェイクあるんじゃね?」って言ってる人居て、なんか当たってる気がする笑 特に今回の終わり方変じゃない!?ギャル
yomommalol69
i feel like that coupled with the fact that they're literally named Right and Left, plus the fact that they're always bailing eachother out, is some crazy symbolism at work and i love it.
ライトとレフトって名前の時点で既にそうだし、お互いを常に助け合ってるのも含めてめっちゃ象徴的だよね。そういうの好きだわ。普通くん
AceSoldia
Lmao old man boxing with bugs for gloves is something I didn't know I needed. And..I wonder if Akio is a traitor or being controlled somehow
草ァ!ジジイが虫をグローブ代わりにボクシングとか知らんかったけど見たかったやつすぎるッ!そしてアキオは裏切り者なのか、それとも何かに操られてるのか気になりすぎる…感情くん
FlareGlutox
He did kill the leader of the previous group that attacked the Kagemoris. This ensured that the only survivors didn't know who hired them. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a real traitor at this point.
なるほど、確かに彼は前に影森家を襲ったグループのリーダーを殺してたんだよな。それで生き残りが誰に雇われたか分からなくなったわけだし。今の時点で彼が本当の裏切り者でも驚かないな。普通くん
justsyr
Yeah I thought the same, that past 'clue' pointing to him being the traitor makes it either a clever red herring or a even more clever way to draw out the actual traitor.
確かに!あの過去の「手がかり」が裏切り者を示してるって思ったけど、見事なミスリードか、逆に本物の裏切り者をおびき出すための巧妙な罠って可能性もあるよね!どっちにしろ作者の仕掛けが巧妙すぎるッ!感情くん
Ikari_21
I have to say it’s pretty good writing imo to have so many characters that are obviously acting sus but have already many fake outs, that now anytime a character acts sus, we don’t know whether to think it’s real or fake lol the “twist” is so obvious that we think it’s fake but are also not entirely sure. Keeps me on my toes lol
確かに草。明らかに怪しいキャラばっか出してるのに、今まで何度もフェイクあったから逆に「こいつ本当に怪しいの?フェイクなの?」って分からんくなるンゴwww いかにもな「どんでん返し」っぽくて実は違うかも?ってなるし、ワイも毎回ハラハラしとるわw2ちゃん
DiamonDawgs
I CAN'T DEAL WITH IT ANYMORE, A LINE NEEDS TO BE DRAWN
もう無理だわ、ここらで線引かないと普通くん
runevault
Or might be an illusion/mimic.
草、幻覚か擬態やろなwww2ちゃん
SpinningFootPunch
Lmao old man boxing with bugs for gloves is something I didn't know I needed. we were missing the Armstrong equivalent.
やばっ!ジジイが虫をグローブ代わりにボクシングとか最高すぎるじゃん!笑 まじでアームストロング枠が足りなかったんだよね〜ギャル
gst4158
The bug arms reminded me of the bug maid from Overlord
バグアーム見てオーバーロードの虫メイド思い出したンゴwww2ちゃん
Zheitk
Check Terraformars: keiji onizuka, asimov, michelle k davis
「テラフォーマーズ」の鬼塚慶次、アシモフ、ミシェル・K・デイビスをチェックしてみて。普通くん
nikobans
poor asa. someone is always trying to hurt her 😢
草、アサちゃんマジ不憫やな。誰かしら毎回傷つけようとしてくるンゴ😢2ちゃん
slicer4ever
I feel like this has to be some sort of fake out tbh.
これ、絶対何かのフェイク展開だと思うんだけど…マジでしんどいッ!感情くん
OldInstruction5368
原文
Cue Ball was acting sus before. On the night of the Kagemori Clan raid, he killed the one person who could have given them info on the attack. Apparently, most of the others were captured alive specifically so they could be questioned, and Cue Ball was scolded for killing someone. In other words, the one person killed in that raid was the one person that could have spilled the beans. And Cue Ball was the one silencing the rat before it could squeak. It could still be a fake out... but I wouldn't be surprised if he's working for Shingo or some other faction. Don't forget, someone tipped off Grandpa about the warehouse showdown. Who apparently has contracts with a majority of hte deamons living at the mansion, as Right remakred that "it feels like the whole Kage Clan is on the move." Meaning, Cue Ball is cornering Asa at a time when the Mansion is least defended.
キュー・ボールは前から怪しかったな。陰森組襲撃の夜、情報を漏らせる可能性があった人物を殺してる。他の連中は尋問のために生け捕りにされたのに、彼だけは叱られてた。つまり、襲撃で唯一死んだのが情報を流せた人物で、キュー・ボールが口封じしたってことだ。まだフェイクの可能性はあるけど…シンゴか他の勢力のスパイでも驚かない。忘れちゃいけない、倉庫の決戦を祖父にチクったやつがいる。館に住む悪魔の大半と契約してるらしく、ライトも「影組全体が動いてるみたいだ」って言ってたし。つまり、館の守りが最も手薄なタイミングでアサを追い詰めてるんだよ。普通くん
Alter_Kyouma
Also his Daemons just scream bad guy alert
やばくね!?あいつの使い魔、まじで悪役感出まくってるじゃん笑ギャル
OldInstruction5368
He's the one with the daemon that was nearly as big as the parking garage, right? Did we see the twin for that one, yet, as I can't remember it.
あの駐車場ビルくらいデカい悪魔持ってたやつだよな!?あいつのツガイってもう出てたっけ?全然覚えてねえ…しんどいッ!感情くん
Alter_Kyouma
Yup that one, I don't think we saw the twin.
そうそう、あれだね。ツガイの方はまだ出てきてないと思う。普通くん
mythriz
I think they are shown in the preview for the next episode actually
え、マジで!?次回予告で出てたってマジ!?やばくね!?見逃してたわ笑ギャル
Arnatious
Dera was the one who tipped them off, that's what he was meeting with Jin about.
デラが通報したんだな、それがジンと会ってた理由か。普通くん
RobrechtvE
A fake out, in this anime? No surely not! (At this point it's going to be more surprising when a cliffhanger on this show turns out to not be a fake out).
フェイク展開?このアニメで?いやありえないでしょ!(もうこの作品で引きで終わったらフェイクじゃない方が驚くレベル)感情くん
Eunuchest
Ivan would seriously be a problem if Right didnt step in. He's pretty good keeping up with a Daemon Guess we got our first clue to Yuru's parents As if Yuru needed any more reason to distrust everyone, even Tadera is keeping secrets Old man shadow boxing at night. Nothing to see here, get back to work!!!! Guess we found the Kagemori traitor
右のおっさんが止めなきゃイワンやべー奴やんwww デーモン相手に結構いい勝負してるし ユルの両親の手がかりキター! でもこれでユルがますます誰も信じられなくなるやん…タデラも隠し事してるしな 夜中にじいさんがシャドーボクシングとか草 仕事戻れ! って感じやけど カゲモリの裏切り者ついに見つかったンゴね2ちゃん
Quick-Hurry-4102
As if Yuru needed any more reason to distrust everyone, even Tadera is keeping secrets Both twins have had a rough time, especially Yuru. He has faced nothing but betrayals and lies his entire life.
確かにユルが他人を信じられなくなるのも無理ないよな。タデラですら秘密を隠してるし。双子は特にユルが辛い経験してきたよね。今までずっと裏切りと嘘ばかりだったんだから。普通くん
Parodizer1
Yup! I’m amazed he trusts anyone at this point. Then again it seems like the Shingo clan is sis too. He’d basically be their puppet. Plus they’re sewing doubt on purpose. Don’t trust lying Tadera. Trust us and we’ll manage your power responsibly.
せやな!ワイも今の状況で誰か信じられるってのが驚きやわ。でも神護一族も大概やしな。結局あいつらの操り人形になるだけやろ。しかもわざと疑心暗鬼植え付けてるンゴwww 嘘つきのタデラなんか信用すんな。俺らを信じればちゃんと力の管理してやるってか。草生えるわ2ちゃん
Frostbitten_Moose
Then again it seems like the Shingo clan is sis too. Good lord, finding out he has a whole clan of sisters is just gonna wreck the dude's hold on reality.
確かにシンゴの一族も姉妹ばかりみたいだな。自分の姉妹が大勢いるって知ったら、現実認識が崩れそうでヤバい。普通くん
slicer4ever
Ivan would seriously be a problem if Right didnt step in. He's pretty good keeping up with a Daemon I was actually kinda hoping with how left+right talked about fighting tons of swordsmen in the past, they would kinda wreck him(I guess if he didn't have regenerating daemon swords, they would have).
右が止めなかったらイヴァンやべーやつやったな。デーモン相手に結構互角に戦えてるし。左と右が過去に大量の剣士と戦ったって話してたから、てっきり返り討ちにしてくれるかと思ったわ(もしデーモンの剣が再生しなかったらそうなってたやろうけど)。2ちゃん
Shamn_it
They were also not trying to kill him. Well, bloodlust does favor him but I still feel like Left/Right held back.
左と右は本気じゃなかったと思うよ。殺意が出てるのは確かにユルに有利だったけど、それでも手加減してた気がするな。普通くん
totokekedile
He was saying them not trying to kill him was making it harder, though. He's so used to fighting for his life that doing otherwise is weird and not as predictable.
「殺そうとしてこない方がむしろ難しい」って言ってたんだよな。彼、命懸けの戦いに慣れすぎてて、そうじゃない戦い方が変で予測不能すぎるんだよッ!感情くん
Shamn_it
Yeah that's why I mentioned the bloodlust part. I still think Left/Right can kill him with bloodlust. It's a boost for them too!
確かに血の渇きの部分は同意。でも俺はLeft/Rightが本気出せばアレンを殺せると思う。血の渇きはあいつらにも恩恵あるしね。普通くん
resphere
Ivan's tsuguai kinda hard counters them, being able to damage them when they're usually invinicible, like assault rifle bullets don't even scratch them, and also possibly keep on regenerating the blades over and over so they're great at defense as well. And can teleport stuff around anywhere he wants? they're kinda really overpowered.
イワンのツガイは、彼らが通常無敵状態でもダメージを与えられる点でかなりのカウンター性能を持っている。例えばアサルトライフルの弾丸すら傷一つつかない相手に対し、刃を無限に再生可能だから防御面でも優秀だ。さらに任意の場所に物をテレポートできる能力も加味すると、明らかにオーバーパワー気味だと言わざるを得ない。考察くん
totokekedile
If he were a regular swordsman they would've smashed his blade before he hit them and his attacks would've bounced right off them. I don't think experience against normal swordsmen means they'll have an easy time with a magical swordsman.
確かに普通の剣士なら武器を折られて攻撃も弾かれてたろうけど、魔法剣士にはその経験が通用しないと思うんだよね。普通くん
Mr_Yod
Exactly: they'd normally have to just stay still and the sword will shatter itself against them, but this time it's not the case.
マジでそれ!普通だったら動かずにいて剣が勝手に砕ける感じだけど、今回は違うんだよね!ギャル
darthvall
Guess we found the Kagemori traitor Too soon to judge. This anime really love to put red herring, cliffhanger and false flag. Remember the elder brother suspicious discussion, only to turn out that he's talking about his manga job?
確かにカゲモリの裏切り者見つけたっぽいね。でもまだ判断するのは早いかも。このアニメ、赤ニシンやクリフハンガー、偽旗作戦をよく使うからな。兄貴が怪しい話してた時も、結局漫画の仕事の話だったしな。普通くん
Thraggrotusk
Migi, handle the defense.
ミギー、防御頼んだよ!やばくねこのシーン!笑ギャル
Eunuchest
Parasyte reference. Good one
パラサイトのオマージュだね。いいね。普通くん
vstrent
I can hear that.
わかるッ!その声、聞こえる気がする!感情くん
Ikari_21
“Defense?”
「防御?」って感じだね普通くん
TyraniTEMPESTar
That poor security guard just trying to do his job, guy has no clue the kind of mess he's caught up in the midst of right now lol
あの警備員さんかわいそうすぎるッ!ただ仕事してただけなのに、自分がどんだけヤバい騒動に巻き込まれてるか全然気づいてないの草😂感情くん
Eunuchest
Just some old man having a late night exercise. Nothing to see here
ただの老人が夜遅くに運動してるだけだね。特に何もないよ。普通くん
dolphincave
Considering there's apparently a lot of Daemons in Tokyo having the sight, or just being the type who has to work anywhere people might want to bring out their pals must be so confusing/scary for them.
東京に多くのデーモンがいることを考えると、彼らが「視」を持つか、あるいは人々が仲間を呼び出したくなる場所で働くタイプである場合、それは彼らにとって非常に混乱や恐怖を引き起こすだろうという考察ができる。考察くん
lartkma
I can swear his conversation with his boss was exactly the same that the cashier had with hers some episodes ago, lol
まじでそれ!?上司との会話、数話前のレジの子とその上司のやつと完全に被ってたじゃん笑ギャル
sanattia
the fights in this anime are so cool and now we know what the shot with kagemori clan head in the opening meant 😭 i was wondering if he has some powerful daemon with simply a lot of eyes but he has so many of them
このアニメの戦闘シーンはめっちゃカッコいいし、OPでカゲモリ族長が映ってたカットの意味がやっとわかったよ😭 目がたくさんある強力な悪魔なのかなって思ってたけど、まさかあんなにたくさん持ってるとはな普通くん