黄泉のツガイ

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手長と足長
何者かにつけられている気配を感じるユルとデラ。尾行を撒くため田寺家のマヨイガに入る一行の前に現れたのは、「手長足長」という人を喰らうツガイだった。
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Se7en_Sinner
I like how Left learned the strategy of simply crushing somebody under your immense weight from her fight with the turtle. (It should have been me.)
亀との戦いで、Leftが体重で相手を押し潰す戦法を覚えたのは悪くないな。(俺がやられたかった)ドライおじ
pinkielovespokemon
It was an absolutely brutal takedown. Left does not mess around.
凄絶なる制圧劇だったのだ。Left、戯れなど一切許さぬ存在よ。中二病
OldInstruction5368
It really puts into perspective Right's warning that Left is the scary one of the two...
Rightが「二人のうち恐ろしいのはLeft」と警告した意味、これでまこと身に染みるでござるな……武士
pinkielovespokemon
She's the brains, he's the brawn.
彼女が頭脳担当で、彼がパワー担当って感じじゃん!ギャル
Niamery123
She's actually both funny enough
実は彼女、面白いことに両方なんだよね普通くん
Frostbitten_Moose
He's the face. Every party needs someone with charisma to do the talking.
彼は交渉役でござる。どんな一行にも、話をまとめるカリスマ持ちが必要でござるよ。武士
BlackReaper23
i really like how Left looks alike the mc, they're both calculating and don't talk unless necessary love when characters' eyes do the talking
Leftが主人公に似てるのガチ好き。二人とも計算高くて必要な時しか喋らん、目で語るキャラ最高やん2ちゃん
pinkielovespokemon
Rewatched episode one last night, and Left's eyes when she fought Gabbo... My goddess, I'm in love.
昨夜1話見返したけど、Gabboと戦うLeftの目…女神すぎるッ!惚れた、無理。感情くん
saga999
I think they drowned him rather than crush him.
我が見るに、奴は潰されたのではない。深淵に沈められ、息を奪われたのだ。中二病
jujux15
I don’t know why but the end with long legs blinded yelling for long arms was kind of sad to me. Maybe because of how helpless he seemed haha
なんでか分からんけど、最後に目潰しされた長脚が長腕を叫んでたの、ちょっと悲しかったわ。無力感あったからかもなw2ちゃん
Myrkrvaldyr
It also highlights how tsugai, no matter how evil, always treat their pair as an inseparable part of their existences. In any other series characters with their personalities would've already started to blame or shit on each other for the problems that happened, but they remained united until the end. Tsugai always come in pairs, and their relationship is closer to that of family.
どんなに邪悪でも、ツガイは相方を自分の存在の一部として見るんだな。他作品なら責め合いそうなのに最後まで一緒。家族に近い関係だね。普通くん
zool714
Yeah I remember feeling bad about the horse-looking daemon that Gabby’s killed. It was trying so hard to get it’s pair out of the jaws
ああ、Gabbyに殺された馬っぽいdaemon、かわいそうだったわw 相方を顎から助けようと必死でさ…笑wwwおじ
2rio2
Gabby's just a friggin monster. Legit horror villain.
Gabbyマジで化け物じゃん。完全にホラーの悪役だわ。普通くん
wtfduud
Yeah, not sure why the show is trying to paint her as this "goofy lil goober, haha isn't she cute and quirky". She killed several innocent people.
せやな、なんであいつを「ドジでかわいい変わり者」扱いしてるんや。無実の人間何人も殺してるやん。2ちゃん
totokekedile
Ruthless people can still have personalities. How many series have we seen with characters that are goofy but serious when they need to be? Not that I think Gabby's even been very goofy so far.
冷酷な人間にも個性はあるだろ。普段ふざけてても締める時は締めるキャラなんて山ほど見た。まあGabbyはそこまでふざけてないが。ドライおじ
HarshTheDev
I don't think that's it's tbh. Gabby herself isn't really silly or goofy but the show sure portrays her like she is.
正直それは違うと思うわ。Gabby本人は別におバカでも goofy でもないのに、作品がそう見せてるだけやろ。2ちゃん
HornedTurtle1212
Isn't murder just so silly?
殺人ってほんとバカバカしいよね?普通くん
Eunuchest
She killed several innocent people. With the reveal so far, its debatable how innocent those killed are, if at all
彼女は無実の人を何人も殺した。でも今の判明分だと、そもそも被害者がどれだけ無実か怪しい…モヤるッ!感情くん
magistrate101
Her only criteria was "not a child". She was otherwise more or less completely indiscriminate.
彼女の唯一の条件は「子供じゃないこと」だけで、それ以外はほぼ誰でもよかった感じだね。普通くん
profiteerprophet
原文
She probably believes that the people in that village are all at least aware of the whole conspiracy stuff. Gabby seems to be incredibly protective of Asa, so it stands to reason that she has a deep seethed hatred for the people trying to assassinate her best friend. This isn't to say her actions were morally correct, but they have an internal logic other than "lol she is evil and likes murder". In her mind, those were the monsters who were tormenting her friend, and what she was doing was justice.
Gabbyは村人全員が陰謀知ってると思ってたんやろ。Asa守る意識強いし、善悪は別でも友を苦しめる怪物への正義やったんやな。2ちゃん
wtfduud
In her mind, those were the monsters who were tormenting her friend, and what she was doing was justice That's not really a valid excuse to massacre a village. Vietnam comes to mind.
彼女の中では友達を苦しめる怪物を裁いてるつもりだったんだろうけど、村を虐殺する言い訳にはならない。ベトナムを思い出す。普通くん
profiteerprophet
原文
Ok, first: I never said she is morally correct, I'm saying that there is an explanation other than her being muhuahahaha evil. She does not have the same information we have, se does not have access to the POV main character who grew up there. But also....Vietnam, really? First off, the American soldiers did stuff waaaaay worse than Gabby. They did NOT have a rule about children. and second...which soldier had such a deep, personal reason to go there? Who were the vietcongs who were traveling to america to assassinate people? Soldiers went to Vietnam because they were conscripted and shipped there, and that happened because of Cold War reasons. There is a big difference between a hate-fueled revenge and the fucking Cold War my guy.
まず言っておくと、彼女が道徳的に正しいなんて一言も言ってない。彼女が「ムハハハ悪だ」以外の説明があるって話をしてるんだ。彼女は俺たちが持ってる情報を持ってないし、あそこで育った主人公視点にもアクセスできないという点を踏まえるべき。 それとベトナム戦争を例に出すの、マジか? - そもそもアメリカ兵はGabbyよりずっと酷いことをやってたし、子供に関するルールなんてなかった - どの兵士がそこへ行く深い個人的理由を持ってた?アメリカに暗殺しに来たベトコンなんていたか? 兵士は徴兵されて送られただけで、それは冷戦が理由。憎しみに駆られた復讐と冷戦じゃ全く別物だと考察できる。考察くん
OldInstruction5368
原文
This is known as "splitting" in the psychology, and it's a sign of a number of mental issues and personality disorders. But regardless of how it's framed, 'splitting' is NEVER seen as a positive or healthy trait. The whole "you are my ally or my enemy" mentality. Or "you are all guilty, no nuance, no discussion, no mercy, because ONE of you is guilty." It's a fucked up way of thinking, essentially. Sure, SOMEONE related to Higashi village hurt Asa. The farmer frozen in terror as he watches his neighbors ripped to pieces isn't one of them. He doesn't know about guns. He doesn't know about planes. He doesn't even know about daemons. Yet alone is a trained combatant in on the conspiracy to kill Asa. The fact that Gabby doesn't even care to think this through reflects very poorly on her. She's already condemned the entire village to death because a few people in their community are guilty. And she clearly doesn't care to think much beyond that.
これ心理学でいう“splitting”で、全然健全じゃない。GabbyはHigashi villageの一部がAsaを傷つけたからって、何も知らない村人まで皆殺し扱いしててかなりヤバい。普通くん
SoundRiot
Perhaps all the adults are complicit to some degree? That's why only the children were let go.
もしかして大人たち、みんな多少はグルなんじゃね?だから子どもだけ解放されたのかも!ギャル
Maybe_this_time_fr
Eh, I just look at her the same way as I look at a character like the Joker. Fucking monsters but man are they fun.
まあ、彼女はJokerみたいなキャラとして見てる。クソみたいな怪物だけど、見ててめちゃくちゃ面白いんだよな。普通くん
Luesal2
She killed people, not innocent people.
人は殺したけど、罪のない奴は殺してないやろ。2ちゃん
SeattlePurikura
What she did to the villagers was awful, but those fucking horse demons had it coming. Don't start shit, won't be shit.
村人たちにやったことはひどかったけど、あのクソ馬の悪魔どもは自業自得だろ。ケンカ売らなきゃこうならない。普通くん
PCN24454
Could they defy their master?
あいつら主に逆らえたりするんかな?まじで?ギャル
SeattlePurikura
Good point. But even if Gabby had felt sorry for them, she had to protect herself.
確かに。でもGabbyが彼らを気の毒に思ってたとしても、自分の身は守らなきゃいけなかったよね。普通くん
pinkielovespokemon
I have a soft spot for the horse and ox daemons, from watching Natsume Yujincho. They're just goofy drunks.
てかNatsume Yujincho観てたから、馬と牛のデーモンに弱いんだよね。あいつら酔っぱらいでアホ可愛い笑ギャル
a1oner_bvcksn6
Just remember that they ate/eat children and you won't feel that way anymore.
そいつら子供食ってた/食ってるって思い出せば、そんな気持ち消えるやろ。2ちゃん
F00dbAby
And eagerly wanted to eat another child
しかもまた別の子供を食べたがってたの無理すぎる…感情くん
BrilliantForeign8899
I love how they got so mad about slander/defamation about damaging some crops but openly admitted they are eating kids (and adults)
作物荒らしたって名誉毀損にはブチギレるのに、子ども(大人も)食べてるのは堂々と認めるの好き。普通くん
ZijkrialVT
Exactly what I thought. Was it brutal? Yes. Did I feel bad? Nope.
それな!エグかった?うん。可哀想って思った?いや全然ッ!感情くん
Eunuchest
Yeah kinda. Dying alone blind is just a sad way to go
まあ確かに。目も見えずに一人で死ぬなんて、ただただ悲しい最期だよね。普通くん
CosmicDestructor
Reminded me of [Fate Stay Night UBW] Ilya .
Fate Stay Night UBWのIlya思い出したわ2ちゃん
Any-Calligrapher2866
Can never forgive Gil for that one
あれだけはGilのこと一生許せないんだけど!ギャル
Ikari_21
Pain…
つらい…普通くん
Direct-Hedgehog-595
Onore Ougon no ou!
おのれ、黄金の王ォォッ!感情くん
HolyDragSwd2500
It was reaching for its pair. They are inseparable until now. Both died together in the end
自分のツガイに手を伸ばしてたんだね。今までずっと一緒だったのに、最後は2人一緒に死んだ。普通くん
Maleficent-Notice150
原文
Supplement from Japanese folklore Folklore about Tenaga Ashinaga(Long arms, long legs) Tenaga Ashinaga is said to have resided on the summit of Mount Yamou (an old name for Mount Bandai), covering the skies of Aizu with clouds and causing crop failure in the area. This cruel act continued for a long period. A traveling monk who happened to visit the area learned of the situation, went to the summit of Mount Yamou, sealed Tenaga Ashinaga there, and enshrined him as Bandai Myojin. It is said that this traveling monk who sealed Tenaga Ashinaga was none other than Kobo Daishi (Kukai), who was undergoing ascetic training in various regions. And now, about the traveling monk, Kukai. Kukai is a renowned monk known in Japan since ancient times. Many mystical anecdotes remain about him, such as discovering water sources (or conversely, draining rivers) with his mysterious magic, and defeating demons in various places. Furthermore, there is a belief that Kukai entered "eternal meditation" about 1200 years ago, and that he continues to pray for the salvation of people at Okunoin on Mount Koya in Wakayama Prefecture. (Even today, there is a custom of delivering food to him twice a day at Okunoin.) I believe that the "sealing ability user" and the "traveling monk" from 1200 years ago (although it's not explicitly stated that he is Kukai) will play a significant role in the later developments of the story. Incidentally, the name "Kukai" also has a meaning in Japanese that represents the duality of "sky" and "sea."
日本の民話補足。テナガアシナガは磐梯山に棲み会津に凶作をもたらしたが、旅の僧=空海が封印したという考察ができる。空海には各地の除魔伝説や高野山奥之院での「永遠の瞑想」信仰も残る。1200年前の「封印能力者」と「旅の僧」は今後の展開の鍵だと思われる。ちなみに「空海」は空と海、二つの対を表す名前なんだよな。考察くん
mekerpan
Kukai -- in both legend and fact is one of the more impressive figures in Japanese history,
空海は、伝説でも史実でも日本史の中でかなりすごい人物の一人だね。普通くん
Retsam19
Supposedly he also popularized invented the kana alphabet : A rich hipster name Kukai is bored with modern buddhism, and learns a better version which is more SPIRITUAL, comes back, reinvents the alphabet, and causes art and literature to be GREAT for a long time.
Kukaiは仮名文字も広めた/作った説あるらしい2ちゃん
Se7en_Sinner
This meme will always stay relevant.
このミーム、いつまでも通用するな。普通くん
Jack_KH
What's middle-left?
真ん中左のやつ何なん?ギャル
Arnie15
Delta from Overlord
OverlordのDeltaやん2ちゃん
jazzy753
Not really considering guns were present since episode 1
いや別に…1話から銃出てたし、そんな驚くことでもないッ!感情くん
Se7en_Sinner
First time they've been effective against daemons.
デーモン相手に初めてちゃんと効いたな。普通くん
jazzy753
Because they've only been tried on Saiyuu-sama and Gabriel beforehand. They would've definitely been effective on all other tsugai we've seen
いや、事前に試したのSaiyuu-samaとGabrielだけだし!他の今までのツガイなら絶対効いてたはずッ!感情くん
wtfduud
Even the handgun seemed useless against Tenaga Ashinaga here. It was only when he pulled out the high-caliber sniper-rifle that it started working.
ここでは拳銃ですらTenaga Ashinagaには効かなそうだったね。大口径のスナイパーライフルでやっと通じ始めた感じ。普通くん
nhzz
you are telling me tsugai are no match to the mighty brrrrrrrrrrrrt of the A-10 Warthog??
ツガイってA-10 Warthog様の最強ブrrrrrrrtには勝てんってことかよ?草2ちゃん
Andy_Liberty_1911
A .50 browning would actually tear them up like tissue
.50 Browningなら、実際あいつらをティッシュみたいにズタズタにできるだろうな普通くん
Myrkrvaldyr
What's the top right series?
てか右上の作品って何〜?ギャル
kazuyaminegishi
Part 6 of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Named Stone Ocean its on Netflix if you want to watch it.
Jojo's Bizarre AdventureのPart 6、Stone Oceanやで。Netflixにあるから見たかったらどうぞ。2ちゃん
FarCritical
How it just took Left giving the look for Dera's ruse to get across to Right. Yoru having the guts to take on two daemons solo for a while was one thing but damn the tactical chuunibyou manuever was spicy.
レフトが目配せしただけでデラの策がライトに伝わったのすごいね。ヨルが二体のダエモンを一人で相手にする度胸も見せ場だったけど、あの戦術的な中二病ムーブはマジでアツかった。普通くん
RimeSkeem
I like to imagine Left didn't know what was happening either, that's just how she reacts to everything.
Leftも何が起きてるか分かってなかったって思いたい。あれが通常反応なの無理すぎるッ!感情くん
mythriz
"I have no idea what he's talking about but it sounds amusing so let's roll with it"
何言ってるか全然わからんけど、面白そうやし乗っかるわ2ちゃん
North_Tough9236
"Tactical chuunibyou manuever" had me laughing irl 😂
「戦術的中二病ムーブ」でリアルに声出して笑ったわ😂無理すぎるッ!感情くん
Frostbitten_Moose
I've been down for almost five minutes now. That was an amazing turn of phrase.
もう5分近く笑い転げてるんだけど笑 あの言い回しマジで天才じゃん!ギャル
ice-krispy
原文
Given the recurring theme of things not being what they seem at first, I have a feeling Asuma's shadiness is a fakeout because it's just too obvious. That he instructed those guys to not bring their Daemons and not harm Yuru seems like he's not in league with whoever ordered the attack on the manor, he doesn't seem too bothered about being caught, and it just seems too early in the story to be revealing any of the real masterminds.
見た目通りじゃない描写を踏まえると、Asumaの怪しさは露骨すぎてミスリードという考察ができる。黒幕開示にはまだ早い。考察くん
Ikari_21
I also feel like they’re being really obvious with the “he’s actually evil” ruse. I still feel like there’s more grey to this and he isn’t the actual mastermind.
自分も「実はあいつ悪人でした」ってミスリードが露骨すぎる気がする。もっとグレーで、黒幕本人ではないと思う。普通くん
HornedTurtle1212
Well telling them to not bring their Daemons to not tip off Left and Right was a good idea.
Left and Rightに気づかせないためにDaemons連れてくるなって言ったの、ナイス判断すぎるッ!感情くん
nqtoan1994
He did say to everybody, including the twins, that it would be ideal for the Kagemori clan to control both "Seal" and "Break". Hikaru also wanted to shove the responsiblity of the heir onto Asuma to pursue his mangaka career. So I agree, Asuma is an interesting position that really makes his shadiness seemed like a fakeout.
Hikaru、双子含め皆に「Kagemori clanがSealとBreak両方握るのが理想」って言ってたしな。Asumaの怪しさミスリ2ちゃん
LeonKevlar
What? You're telling me, Asuma is the one who sent these people to tail them?! No freaking waaaaay. But he looks so trustworthy! So Daemoins can be hurt and be killed using modern weapons? Maybe Dera should consider giving Yuru some firearms training. I doubt it will happen since his main weapon is still a bow, but I'd love to see Yuru give sniping a shot.
え?尾行普通くん
Myrkrvaldyr
Maybe Dera should consider giving Yuru some firearms training. Good thing the series doesn't take place in the US, I guess, or Yuru would be capping people left and right and calling it self-defense. ''Your honor, they exuded killing intent, my life was in danger, I was justified.''
Dera、Yuruに銃の訓練させた方がええかもな。アメリカ舞台じゃなくて助かったわ。「殺意出てたんで正当防衛です」って撃ちまくるやろwww2ちゃん
Pickled_Kagura
Yeehawru
イヤッホォォォッ!感情くん
wtfduud
Now I'm imagining Higashi village as an Amish society.
今Higashi村がアーミッシュ社会みたいなの想像しちゃってるんだけど笑ギャル
Frostbitten_Moose
I'm going with a village hidden in the Appalachians full of rifle toting hillbillies.
アパラチア山脈に隠れた、ライフル持った田舎者だらけの村って予想でいく。普通くん
DivinityPen
Ye, the only reason modern weapons don't work on Left and Right (for the most part) is that they're technically made of stone (though the jury's still out on heavy artillery or similar weaponry). As strong as Long-Arms and Long-Legs were, they were still just flesh.
せやな、近代兵器がLeft and Rightにほぼ効かんのは実質石製だからやろ。Long-ArmsとLong-Legsは強くても所詮生身や。2ちゃん
OldInstruction5368
原文
The type of caliber Dera was using this episode should seriously hurt Left and Right. There are sniper rifles designed to punch through tank armor, that were also used in WWII to disable gun nests. Basically, just fire into the pillbox and kill the machine gunner THROUGH multiple layers of cover. Quick googling also found a video where a .50 caliber sniper rifle just SHATTERED a ~400lb concrete boulder in two shots. First shot blew a huge chunk off the side. Second shot shattered the entire thing. Even handguns, larger than 9mm, could do significant damage to concrete. It just depends on how far the author wants to stretch "guns can't hurt rocks," which is largely true for smaller rounds. But again, when we have sniper rifles designed to punch through over an inch of steel armor, "lol I'm stone" stops being a believable excuse.
Deraの口径ならLeft and Rightにも相当効くはず。対物ライフルは装甲やコンクリを抜くし、「石だから銃無効」は説得力が薄いという考察。考察くん
Andy_Liberty_1911
It can depend on the stone but yeah anything .50 BMG would likely hurt Left and Right.
石にもよるけど、.50 BMGならLeft and Rightにも普通に効きそうだね。普通くん
DivinityPen
shrug Maybe they're meant to be magically-enhanced stone? Dunno.
知らんけど、魔法で強化された石って設定なんちゃう?知らんけど。2ちゃん
Lost_Thought
Based on the magazine size, it was probably shooting 5.56 NATO. So an intermediate rifle cartridge.
マガジンのサイズ的に、たぶん5.56 NATO弾だと思う。つまり中間弾のライフル弾だね。普通くん
BoyTitan
They tanked a rocket launcher without issue a few episodes ago.
数話前にロケラン食らっても普通に耐えてたやん。2ちゃん
kazuyaminegishi
I think it would be cool to see Yuru become a sniper. It feels like such an obvious progression for his abilities. If he was sniping in this fight it would have ended way faster considering how accurate he is with a bow. I'm hoping he doesn't stick to stone age weaponry the entire story, would feel like a waste of putting him in the modern world.
ユルがスナイパーになるの見たい。弓の命中率を考えたら自然な成長だし、ずっと石器時代の武器だけだと現代に来た意味が薄い。普通くん
letsgoToshio
Honestly even giving him a modern compound bow would be pretty cool if they want to maintain his role as an archer.
正直、弓使いポジ維持するなら現代のコンパウンドボウ持たせるだけでも普通にかっこええやろ2ちゃん
Thomas_JCG
I disagree. Yuru's true ability is being silent and hiding in the night, a sniper rifle is very much not silent, and too cumbersome. If he has to stay far away, Left and Right can't protect him, so it would be easier to target him, but if the divine guardians stick close to Yuru, they won't be able to use his powers.
同意できない。Yuruの本質は夜に潜み沈黙する能力という考察ができる。狙撃銃は音も出るし重い。距離を取ればLeft and Rightが守れない。考察くん
kazuyaminegishi
原文
Yuru's true ability is being unaffected by darkness. That is what allows him to utilize hiding. A sniper rifle is loud, but this is irrelevant when you are far away and can see perfectly in complete darkness. Even if they hear the shot so? If it's a single person they are dead. If it is a group by the time they get to his initial position... he is gone which is standard sniper logic. Additionally Left and Right's biggest benefit over the other Tsugai we have met so far is exactly that they can work independently. Did you literally forget that they got the jump on Jin specifically BECAUSE Left and Right separated themselves from him? To me it seems like you are operating under a strange assumption that snipers operate at a much lower range than they actually do.
Yuruの本当の強みは暗闇が効かないこと。遠距離で闇でも見えるなら銃声は問題ないし、集団が来る頃には移動済み。Left普通くん
Thomas_JCG
原文
If an enemy realizes Yuru's location from the sniper sound, they can just reposition themselves behind cover and that means Yuru will not be able to fight until he circles around to flank the opponent again. That means if that first shot doesn't land, the opponents will have one less enemy to worry about. Doesn't matter how independent they are, if Yuru is in actual trouble, they will go after him because he is their master. You mention the battle against Jin, while seemingly forgetting that they decided to reveal themselves instead of risking Yuru being captured. When Yuru got struck by Long Arms, Right was about to pounce, regardless of the orders. Just because they are a bit more easy going than other daemons does not mean they never worry about protecting Yuru. It's the fact that snipers operate at long range that puts a damper on the whole thing. If Yuru is constantly away from Left and Right, then it is easy to make a plan that focuses on targeting the isolated Yuru. Surely some stealthy daemon exists, heck, even a counter-sniper would be able to eliminate Yuru. But if he keeps Left and Right at a range they can protect him, then they can't join the melee. Yuru is far more effective at close range and supporting Left and Right than he would be at long range, this fight against Longs just showed that.
狙撃音でYuruの位置バレたら隠れられて終わりやん。外したら戦力外。Left/Rightも守りに行くし、Longs戦見ても近距離支援の方が強いわ。2ちゃん
kazuyaminegishi
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If an enemy realizes Yuru's location from the sniper sound, they can just reposition themselves behind cover and that means Yuru will not be able to fight until he circles around to flank the opponent again. That means if that first shot doesn't land, the opponents will have one less enemy to worry about. This is also true of arrows. If you miss an arrow near someone they can hear it. Doesn't matter how independent they are, if Yuru is in actual trouble, they will go after him because he is their master. You mention the battle against Jin, while seemingly forgetting that they decided to reveal themselves instead of risking Yuru being captured. When Yuru got struck by Long Arms, Right was about to pounce, regardless of the orders. Just because they are a bit more easy going than other daemons does not mean they never worry about protecting Yuru. I didn't forget anything. Left and Right will be right next to the enemies Yuru is shooting at. Their job quite literally becomes easier by being separate from him. Additionally they don't even HAVE to separate from him. They can just stand next to him and guard him. And then they can just pick him up and jump to the next location, which further invalidates your first point. It's the fact that snipers operate at long range that puts a damper on the whole thing. If Yuru is constantly away from Left and Right, then it is easy to make a plan that focuses on targeting the isolated Yuru. Surely some stealthy daemon exists, heck, even a counter-sniper would be able to eliminate Yuru. But if he keeps Left and Right at a range they can protect him, then they can't join the melee. Yuru is far more effective at close range and supporting Left and Right than he would be at long range, this fight against Longs just showed that. The fight quite literally proved the exact opposite. Dera (who was perceived as their master) was MORE effective against them than Yuru in this fight. He blinded one of them which changed the fight completely, and he killed one of them. And Left and Right literally did exactly what you are claiming they wouldn't do. They stayed in the melee while Dera sniped from range and Yuru was nowhere near them. Dera has already proven that sniping effectively has equivalent impact to what Left and Right do at their current level of strength. There is no logic in what you are arguing here. The episode directly proves how effective sniping is and the show has shown us that Left and Right are very flexible and willing to operate independently of Yuru.
狙撃は遠距離だから、ユルが常にレフト・ライトから離れてると孤立を狙われやすい。近距離で二人をサポートする方がユルは有効だし、今回のロングス戦がそれを証明してた。むしろデラの狙撃が二人と同等の効果を出したし、レフト・ライトはちゃんと独立して動いてたじゃん。狙撃の有効性はエピソードが直接示してたよ。普通くん
Thomas_JCG
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An arrow bouncing on the ground doesn't make a tenth of the noise a gunshot does. That's the part you are purposefuly ignoring, if Left and Right stay by Yuru, then they are not cooperating with the fight. If they go too far, they cannot protect Yuru. So they have to stay at best at medium range, which makes a sniper rifle less effective. Dera was only capable of firing those shots because he was unmarked, the second Long Arms spotted him, he threw a skull at Dera and could have killed him. It was not until Yuru distracted them that he was able to shoot again. Now, imagine Yuru is alone in a rooftop, shooting, and an enemy daemon sneaks by and attacks him. What is he gonna do? Meanwhile, with a bow and firing from short range, he gets full mobility to evade attacks, and if he is in a pinch, Left and Right can cover him much easier.
矢が跳ねても銃声の1/10も鳴らん。そこ無視してるやろ。Left and RightがYuruから離れられん以上、狙撃銃は微妙。Deraも見つかった瞬間死にかけたし、弓なら動けてカバーも楽やん。2ちゃん
gafsstolemysoul
8.6 black out and other fairly suppressable rifle cartridges disagree with the "sniper rifle is very much not silent" statement. Hell you can get 50bmg close to hearing safe with the right suppressor on a Barrett.
8.6 Blackoutなどを踏まえると「狙撃銃は静かじゃない」は違う。Barrettの50BMGすら適切なサプレッサーで聴覚保護レベルに近づく。考察くん
Sakuja
Im a bit afraid for Sayu now. They made a big deal about them being made of stone and they shrugged off modern guns, but modern weapons can make short work of stone
Sayuちょい心配なんだけど。石でできてて銃効かない感出してたけど、現代兵器なら石とか秒で砕けるじゃん…ギャル
Cant-think-a-name
They took shotguns and grenades to the face and barely flinched, and in this episode too they took hit after hit by Tenaga-Ashinaga (who were gouging the earth, destroying buildings and uprooting whole trees) without a single scratch to show. Unless actual missiles are brought out, I think they're going to be fine.
ショットガンや手榴弾を顔面に食らってもほぼ無反応。今回もTenaga-Ashinagaの連撃で無傷だし、ミサイルでも出ない限り平気そう。普通くん
pi8you
Asuma is the one who sent these people to tail them?! I love the detail that there's a little chunk of the white one missing next to the butterflies floating around, Left really did crush just a small bit of it
Asumaが尾行させてたのこいつらかよ?!蝶の横の白いやつちょっと欠けてるの細かいな。Leftマジで少し潰したんやな。2ちゃん
ParasaurolophusZ
Left and Right are made of stone, so they're effectively bulletproof. That's why we assumed daemons were all immune to guns, I guess!
Left and Rightは石製だから実質防弾!だからdaemon全員、銃効かないと思ってたのかも!なるほどッ!感情くん
TyraniTEMPESTar
Tenaga and Ashinaga were pretty darn strong. " They could've become famous gods if they'd been used for good. ". Their arms and legs flying around everywhere like steel cables. I can see why they caused havoc in the ancient past and needed something like Seal to help put them away.
TenagaとAshinaga、相当強いな。善用されてれば有名な神になれたのも納得。古代に災厄化し、Sealが必要だった理由も考察できる。考察くん
Se7en_Sinner
If you combine Tenaga and Ashinaga, you get a full Luffy.
TenagaとAshinaga合体したら完全体Luffyやん、草2ちゃん
flashmozzg
Han, you'll get Longlimb tribe.
Han、お前はロングリム族を手に入れるんだ。感情くん
Eunuchest
Simple and effective. They didnt need any flashy abilities
シンプルだけど効果的。派手な能力なんて必要なかったね普通くん
mekerpan
I wonder what those relics can be used for? (If anything)
あの遺物って何に使えるんだろ?使い道あるならだけど笑ギャル
pinkielovespokemon
Frightening visitors.
怖すぎる来客やん。2ちゃん
kolis10
I misread visitors as vibrators.
visitorsをvibratorsって読み間違えた。普通くん
ParasaurolophusZ
I swear I heard a story once of them being famous fishermen who could help starving villages (by wading in deep water and catching things too deep to reach with a net), but that might have been some random piece of fiction somewhere.
昔そいつら、有名な漁師で飢えた村を助けたって話聞いた気するわ。網じゃ届かん深場の獲物捕るやつ。でも創作かもな。2ちゃん
a1oner_bvcksn6
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Longarms and Longlegs sure were formidable that all it took to beat them was Yuru acting as decoy to give Dera the opening to snipe longlegs down lol. Ofc Left and Right won't let themselves be outdone and took care of half the threat (longarms) by weighing her down, which seems to be their specialty (if not their go-to finisher) Granny being saved by the fact that she has a husband waiting at home for her (RIP other two decoy tails--didn't they have family too, Arakawa-san) literally had me in stitches. Asuma's subtleties being ousted by a loose-lipped woman--I can only imagine his frustrations.
Longarms/Longlegs、強敵っぽいのにYuru囮→Dera狙撃で終わるの笑った。Left/Rightの重し技も強いし、婆さん生存理由とAsumaの苦労も最高。普通くん
PeaceAlien
They haven't found long's master yet. They know how to get into this secret area so they're still a threat even without the daemons. All these areas that should be 'protected' sure get broken into a lot
まだLongの主を見つけてないんだよな。秘密区域への侵入法を知ってる以上、ツガイなしでも脅威。守られてる場所、突破されすぎ。考察くん
magistrate101
I kind of expect the master to be right outside Dera's domain expansion. Probably even having backup now that he's aware of his daemons failing.
Deraの領域展開のすぐ外にマスターいそうやな。daemon失敗に気づいて、今は援軍も用意してそう。2ちゃん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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diacewrb
Granny being saved by the fact that she has a husband waiting at home for her Her husband must be can't the man, since she carries all those knives around with her. Dera could have fired off a bunch of shots at them while she was being held in the air and since she gave up Yuru, then Dera probably wouldn't hesitate anymore in case of hitting her.
婆さん、家で待つ夫普通くん
a1oner_bvcksn6
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Unless that butterfly can transmit what it sees/hears to Asuma's daemon (who can then relay the info to him), the granny could still prove to be a useful ally, especially now that she literally owes them her life. I also don't feel Dera's the type to hold such grudges as he understands that granny only did it simply to try and save herself. Dera will only shoot someone if that someone is trying to kill him first being the "ethical" killer that he is lol
あの蝶が見聞きした事をAsumaのツガイ経由で伝えられん限り、婆さんは有能な味方やろ。命の借りあるし。Deraも根に持たんやろな、倫理的殺し屋やしw2ちゃん