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先手
自らが“X”であることを明かし、勝利を宣言するフクナガユウジ。最後の勝者になるよう仕組んでいたと語り、アキヤマが少数派になることはないと断言。さらに、自らトリックを明かし、完全勝利の構図を説明する。
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FarCritical
I respect how the organizers are polite enough to halt everything until everyone's done with contorting their jaws to each other's 4D chess reveals. Actually being in debt could probably mess with your time perception but I'd have to imagine waiting out the whole 6 hours every round being really dull regardless if you're a Joe schmo or a schemer
主催者、全員が4Dチェスみたいな駆け引き終わるまで待ってくれるの紳士的すぎワロタ 借金あると時間の感覚おかしくなるんかもしらんけど、毎ラウンド6時間待つのは視聴者でも仕掛ける側でも普通に退屈やろな2ちゃん+87
Boring-Grand1115
Well well mind you the drama is the reason they're arranging the games so obv the masks are enjoying as much as we are 👍✌
確かに、ドラマがあるからゲームを仕組んでるわけで、マスクたちも俺らと同じくらい楽しんでるってことだね👍✌普通くん+49
SSjjlex
inb4 all 4 of them make a pact and they just stall the entire game for years all while huffing massive amounts of luxurious food making the Liar Game Organization bankrupt accomodating them lol
ふむ、かの4者が契約を結び、贅の限りを尽くしてゲームを数年にわたり停滞させる——その果てに、LIAR GAME組織を破産へと追いやる未来が見えるのだ。我が瞳にはっきりと映る、その滑稽なる結末よ。中二病+34
Boring-Grand1115
🤣🤣🙌 that was a good one, the rivalry was so heated up b/w them I never even considered this XDD
🤣🤣それな!あの二人のライバル関係マジ熱すぎて、そんな展開全然考えたことなかったんだけど笑 確かにそういうパターンもありじゃん!ギャル+6
Emi_Ibarazakiii
> I'd have to imagine waiting out the whole 6 hours every round being really dull regardless if you're a Joe schmo or a schemer *Me when I have to wait 30 seconds for someone to play his move in chess*
確かに、チェスで30秒待つだけでイライラするのに、毎ラウンド6時間待つのはジョー・シュモでも策略家でも退屈極まりないだろうな。普通くん+31
BosuW
Irritation is why speed chess was invented
まあ確かに、イライラするからこそスピードチェスが生まれたんだろうな。ドライおじ+15
Furin
The organizers are probably just happy the players are antagonizing each other instead of the people putting them into debt (them).
主催者たちは、参加者たちが自らの借金の元凶である彼らに牙を剥く代わりに、互いに争い合っていることに、内心ほくそ笑んでいるのだろうな。中二病+20
AlexeiFraytar
Its Japan, so its not like they're armed to fight them (who will certainly own illegal (legal) firearms.)
確かにw 日本だから武装してるわけないしな笑 主催者からしたらプレイヤー同士で争ってくれてる方が都合いいんだろうなwwwwwwおじ+8
Jauretche
People sure were more patient 20 years ago.
確かに!20年前の人はマジで忍耐強かったじゃん!今だったらすぐキレちゃうよね笑ギャル+11
garfe
I'm glad I listened and stuck with this after the first game. At the end of this episode I was like "OH COME ON" because I didn't want it to end. The check realization was brilliant
最初のゲームの後も見続けてよかった。この回の終わりで「え、マジかよ!」ってなったわ、終わってほしくなかったんだよね。 小切手の真相に気づくシーンは天才的だった。普通くん+84
guynumbers
It’s a classic for a reason. I do think it’s far better on the binge though
それな!初回ゲームで切らなくてマジ正解だったわ笑 でもさ、このエピソードのラストで「ちょっと待って!」ってなったのめっちゃわかるwww 一気見の方が断然おすすめだよね〜名作は名作ってことじゃん!ギャル+62
Ashteron
I genuinely thought I'm like halfway through the episode when the ending started. Remembering some of the twists from the manga and the live action I caught a few of the hints, but ones like Fukunaga's mistake with the check still eluded me.
エンディングが流れ始めた時、まだ半分くらいだと思ってたわ。原作や実写版の展開を思い出して、いくつかヒントには気づいたけど、福永の小切手のミスみたいなのは全然わからなかった。普通くん+76
Frontier246
This feels like a show with great rewatch value.
確かにそれな。ワイもエンディング流れた時「えっもう半分もいってないやろ」ってなったわ。何度も見直したくなる作品やわ。2ちゃん+38
Possible-Scholar9230
I had such a good time, suddenly i looked down and there was 3 minutes left. I just started the episode. 😕/
某も同じく、気づけば残り3分でござった。まだ始まったばかりだと思ったのに…時の流れが速すぎるでござるな。武士+7
bananeeek
> Calm down. You'll see soon enough. *episode ends* So that was a fucking lie.
まじで焦ったわ!笑 「落ち着けよ、すぐわかるって」って言われて終わったんだけど!?全然そんなことなかったじゃん!やばすぎるんだけど!ギャル+56
Kill-bray
What did you expect from the liar game?
あの「落ち着けよ」ってやつ、まさかの展開すぎるだろ。ライアーゲームに何期待してたんだよって感じだな。普通くん+43
Possible-Scholar9230
Im dying lauging from both the og comment and the reply
返信と元コメントの両方で笑い死にしそうw普通くん+8
abandoned_idol
**cries in frustration**
**イライラで泣いたッ!!!** あの「すぐわかる」って台詞、まんま嘘だったじゃん…しんどすぎる。感情くん+10
BosuW
Just as advertised
草、嘘やんけ! まさに広告通りの展開やなwww2ちゃん+11
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
Akiyama playing some 4D chess. Dude had it all planned out from the start. Man’s not a master con artist for nothing. The moment he had that final question, it was game over for everyone. There’s no mutual trust amongst any of them. No plan or alliance was ever going to work. Looks like we gotta wait another week to see the results. If Akiyama isn’t worried they seemingly have ganged up on him, I wonder what he’s got planned.
秋山が四次元チェスしてたな。最初から全部計算済みだったんだろうな。あの男、ただの天才詐欺師じゃないってことだよ。最後の質問が出た瞬間、全員終わったも同然だった。みんなの間に相互信頼なんて微塵もないし、どんな計画や同盟も絶対うまくいかなかったんだよね。 結果見るまであと一週間か。秋山が連中に囲まれてるのに焦ってないってことは、何か秘策があるんだろうな。気になるわ。普通くん+50
Frontier246
Thank goodness Nao has Akiyama because I'm not sure she could even win a game of "Go Fish." If the Liar Game people are looking for a king of liars, Akiyama should be pretty high up on that list. The man is certainly enjoying himself more than anybody else!
確かに。直は秋山がいなければ「ゴー・フィッシュ」すら勝てなさそうだな。このシーンを見ると、秋山の嘘の技術が単なる詐欺師の域を超えて、むしろゲームを純粋に楽しむアーティストのように映る。ライアーゲームの主催者が求める「嘘の王」の条件を、秋山は既に体現していると言える。彼の行動には計算と余裕が感じられ、他の参加者とは一線を画す存在だ。考察くん+41
mythriz
*insert favorite old maid animeme gif here*
拙者、某(それがし)の心に染み入る返しでござる。 「ババ抜きすら怪しい」とは、まさに神の如き表現。ナオにはアキヤマという指南役がおらねば、この残酷なる勝負は生き延びられぬであろうな。 *お気に入りのババ抜きアニメGIFをここに挿入*武士+22
Successful-Peach-764
What lie has he told this ep?
彼がこのエピソードで言った嘘は何だ?ドライおじ+5
Frontier246
Not just blatant lying but mental manipulation.
え、まじで!?嘘だけじゃなくて心理操作もすごかったじゃん!やばくね?ギャル+13
HolyDragSwd2500
All according to Keikaku Keikaku means plan
計画通りやな ※Keikaku=計画って意味やで(念のため)2ちゃん+27
chum-guzzling-shark
I'm glad I stuck with the show because people commented that it gets better. The first game was pretty obvious to me. This one not so much. The only thing I can guess is the glasses guy has a deal with akiyama but that doesn't seem like it'd be a fun reveal
確かに。最初のゲームは単純すぎてどうかと思ったけど、この展開は読めなかったわ。メガネの奴が秋山と通じてるってのはなんとなく察するけど、その種明かしがどう面白くなるかだよね。普通くん+16
tweetthebirdy
I’m so glad you’re enjoying it! The games only get more complex and fun from here on out.
ワイもこのアニメ続けて正解やったわ!最初のゲームはちょっと簡単やったけど、これからどんどん複雑で面白くなるンゴwww2ちゃん+6
Emi_Ibarazakiii
原文
> There’s no mutual trust amongst any of them. No plan or alliance was ever going to work. To be fair, one specific alliance might work; What I THOUGHT Akiyama would do, is go to the other 2 (non X) and tell them X betrayed everyone and his contracts aren't valid; If X wins, it's over. If you ally with me, I'll tell you who I vote for, and you two vote for the opposite; If X votes with you, I win, if not it's a draw and we repeat until we win, and we share the prize! They would have no real reason to disagree with this, and they don't have any hard feeling against Akiyama (or good feelings for X). But I think what's happening is a lot simpler than that, and more obvious too. (I talked about it in another comment, but yeah I think what's happening is as obvious as 'Akiyama flipped his vote!' was in this episode).
確かに、彼らの間に相互信頼は一切存在しない。どんな計画や同盟も、結局は機能しなかったわけだ。 ただ、特定の同盟なら成立する可能性があると考察できる。 私が秋山ならこう動くと思っていた——他の2人(X以外)に「Xは全員を裏切った。彼の契約は無効だ。Xが勝てば終わりだ」と伝える。そして「俺と組むなら、俺の投票先を教える。お前たち2人はそれと逆に投票しろ。Xがお前たちと合わせてきたら俺の勝ち、そうでなければ引き分け。勝つまで繰り返して賞金を分けよう」と提案する。 彼らにこれを拒否する現実的な理由はない。秋山への悪感情もなければ(Xへの好感情もない)。だが、実際の展開はもっと単純で、もっと明白なものだと思う。(別のコメントでも触れたが、今起きていることは「秋山が投票を変えた!」という今週の展開と同じくらい明らかなものだと考察している。)考察くん+11
Western-Internal-751
There is still a chance that he teamed up with sunglasses guy somehow previously, who will now vote yes as well. Their whole plan relies on him voting no, while they both vote yes and force a draw. So sunglasses guy has the power to fuck them over.
確かに、サングラスの彼が事前に組んでて、今度は賛成票を入れる可能性もあるよね。彼らの計画は全部彼が反対票を入れる前提で成り立ってて、自分たちは賛成で引き分けに持ち込むつもりだから、サングラスの彼次第で計画が崩れるってわけか。普通くん+22
AlexeiFraytar
They still have their contracts, Akiyama couldnt pay both of them.
確かに!でも契約があるし、秋山が二人分払えるわけないじゃん?てかその点は仕方なくね?ギャル+9
Gloomy_Savings_7454
原文
OK, I’d realised there was another team, but I didn’t know there were three. It’s pretty clear I would lose this game. On the other hand, I know I’m missing something, but I can’t figure out what it is. Maybe Akiyama voted ‘YES’ instead of ‘NO’, doing a trick? Or the boy with the sunglasses pulled some kind of trick? There’s something else going on apart from them forcing a draw, but I just can’t put my finger on it. How intriguing! The episode flew by – it’s really entertaining!
なるほど、もう一つチームがあるのは気づいてたけど、まさか三つもあるとは思わなかったな。これじゃ俺が負けるのは明白だ。でも何か見落としてる気がするんだよね。秋山が「NO」じゃなく「YES」に入れてトリックを仕掛けたのか?それともサングラスの男が何かやったのか?ただの引き分け狙いだけじゃない何かがあるはずなんだけど、どうしてもわからない。面白すぎるな! 今回のエピソードあっという間だったわ。めっちゃ面白い!普通くん+46
Toge_Inumaki012
原文
Akiyama and the glasses guy are in cahoots. I dont know how else Akiyama would win. The moment glasses guy offered to take their votes seems like kinda sus and they didnt seem to demand that they show him his vote as well lol (or maybe next ep) Which is weird for someone like Fukunaga to slip up but i guess the pressure of being out of time and the thought of merely getting 1.25 mil got to him to even think clearly
秋山とメガネ男がグルやろwww そうでもせんと秋山が勝てるわけないしな メガネが「投票預かるよ」って言い出した時点で怪しすぎるやん しかも向こうの投票見せるよう要求してないんか草(次回判明かも) 福永がポカするの珍しいけど 時間切れの焦りと1.25億しかもらえんってのが冷静さ奪ったんやろな2ちゃん+10
MasterQuest
I was sitting paused for 1-2 minutes thinking of how the "I'll take your votes" could possibly work in the favor of glasses guy. If he's colluding with Akiyama, that would work.
確かに!俺もその「票を取るよ」ってセリフの意味がわかんなくて、1〜2分くらい停止して考えちゃったじゃん笑。メガネくんが秋山とグルなら、それで辻褄合うかもね!ギャル+6
FoolingFinality
One thing I like about this anime is how these people do quick mental maths.
このアニメのいいところはキャラが暗算でパッパと計算するとこやな。ワイには無理やわ草2ちゃん+42
garfe
Mohawk dude was not the kind of guy who I thought could calculate in his head that fast lol.
確かにモヒカンのあいつが頭の中でそんな速く計算できるとは思わなかったな笑普通くん+35
ElevatorAlarming4766
The rounds do take place over six hours. I always figured the dude got out a paper and pen and did some sums off-screen for about fifteen minutes offscreen whilst the conversation was happening.
確かに!笑 でもあのモヒカン男が頭の中でそんな速攻計算できるタイプには見えなかったんだよな〜。6時間もあるんだから、きっと会話の合間に紙とペンで15分くらい計算してたんだろうなって思ってたわ。感情くん+20
HolyDragSwd2500
Dealing with x amount of money and dividing it up
確かに、金額の計算とか分割のシーンは頭使うよね普通くん+16
Fit_Trouble_1264
prep time does give them out 100% winnable strats plus I think you can ask the LGT people to print out a bunch of contracts but they just handwrite the contracts manually lol anyways 6 hours is a lot of time and night time prep time is longer
確かに、事前準備時間が与えられることで100%勝てる戦略が立てられるのがこの作品の面白いところだよな。 あと、LGTの人に契約書を大量印刷してもらえるはずなのに、手書きで書いてるのがちょっと笑える。まあ、6時間も準備時間があるなら問題ないし、夜間の準備時間はもっと長いからね。考察くん+11
l3reezer
原文
God damn, love how many notches this episode took the mind game writing up. * the other 2 characters actually being impressively competent in their own right * the twist with not just 2 but 3 teams * Hitomi actually being super commendable (beyond being a karate master and master of disguise, lol) pulling all-nighters and working all the way down to the last minute while the round was literally going on to form that 3rd team (also actually like that he wasn't able to think of the strategy by himself and just copied Akiyama's plan but stretched it further; kind of shows that their smarts lie in a slightly different less technical department) * Akiyama clocking multiple tells about Hitomi being X, mainly that part about finding value in observing those that had already lost/were no longer threats and their emotional reactions-showing Akiyama can flex emotional intelligence too on top of the mathematical smarts * a character seeing the bigger picture and visualizing a win beyond the confines of the current round's rules * acknowledging their means to pull an infinite time hack by drawing over and over * etc. A lesser show would've just made this episode completely contingent on the cliché check reveal. The music and visual guides for us smooth brains to keep up were better than ever too. I don't think any new viewer was expecting another 20 minutes to go by and the round still not being resolved, lol. Akiyama making his question another one that parallels the themes and power moving with that instant vote was the cherry on top.
このエピソード、心理戦のクオリティが一段上がっててマジでやばかったわ。 - 他の2キャラがそれぞれちゃんと有能だったの良かった - 2チームじゃなくて3チームってどんでん返し - 瞳が徹夜で最後まで動いて第3チーム作ったのマジ尊敬(格闘技と変装もできるけどな) - 秋山の計画をコピーして拡張しただけってのが逆にリアルでいい - 秋山が瞳のXの兆候に気づくとこ、数学だけじゃなくて感情知能も高いの見せてた - 現在のラウンドのルールを超えた勝利を描く視点 - 無限ドローで時間稼ぎする手段も認められてる 地味な作品ならただのチェック開示で終わらせるところだったわ。 音楽とビジュアルガイドも過去一わかりやすかった。新規視聴者は「まだ20分経っただけでラウンド終わってねえの?」って思っただろ。 秋山がテーマに沿った質問を即座に投票で動かしたのは最高の締めだった。普通くん+40
PhysicalVacation8013
btw after this there Will be just 2 more games and it's gonna be 24 episodes the games will get more complex
つーかこの後ゲームあと2つで全24話ってマジかよw ゲームもっと複雑になるらしいぞ笑wwwおじ+10
l3reezer
Nice, one cour would've been so disappointing given the old-school pacing it's got going on
確かに、あの昔ながらのゆったりしたペースだと1クールじゃ物足りなかっただろうね。普通くん+7
FLorianGran
This adaptation certainly isn't in a rush I will admit I'm having fun with the various twists and turns
このアニメ、全然急いでないよね笑 でもまあ、色々どんでん返しがあって楽しめてるよ!やばくね?ギャル+33
NanDemoKnaives
原文
At least this episode had more tension, I'm not sure what trap Akiyama has set, but I'm thinking maybe he's allied himself with Number 15 at some point and he's just a good actor. If they're not allied, then Number 15 would obviously put x2 yes and x1 no if he's paying attention.  Akiyama lying about putting a no when he actually put in a yes makes no sense, because he'd lose if they try to make it a draw. So I'm leaning towards Number 15 and Akiyama being allies since the traitor has created available money to use in the contract, since they weren't using their real name.
今回の話はようやく緊張感出てきたな。秋山がどんな罠仕掛けたかわからんけど、15番とグルになってる可能性あるやろ。演技上手すぎるンゴwww もしグルじゃなかったら、15番はちゃんと注意してれば×2、○1って投票するはずやし。 秋山が「ノー入れた」って嘘ついて実はイエス入れたってのは意味わからん。引き分け狙われたら負けるしな。 やっぱ裏切り者が本名使わずに契約金作ったってことは、15番と秋山は同盟組んでる説が濃厚やな。2ちゃん+28
ShotgunShine7094
That seems to be the popular theory but I think there's one flaw. After every person casts their vote, Akiyama says that their efforts were futile. But 15 tells him that the game won't turn out the way Akiyama expects it to. What reason does 15 have to say anything here? If he voted yes, the game is set. There's no reason for him to roleplay as if he didn't know what was going to happen.
確かにそれが有力な説だけど、一つ穴があると思う。 投票終了後に秋山が「無駄な努力だった」って言った時、15番が「ゲームはお前の思い通りにはいかない」って返してるんだよね。 もし15番が賛成票を入れてるなら、わざわざそんなロールプレイする必要ないんじゃないかな。普通くん+13
Possible-Scholar9230
Maybe just to fuck with the others more + to serve as a surprise to the anime-only watchers.
ワイは原作知らんけど、アニメ勢にドッキリかますためやろな。ついでに他の連中をさらにビビらせる意味もありそう。2ちゃん+7
HarshTheDev
原文
Damn I was pretty spot on with the prediction of X being part of other teams (and the reasoning too). But looks like we're not going the route of Akiyama forming another team, I like that. Plus Akiyama really shined this episode, I've been pretty critical of this show but I was pleasantly surprised with almost everything today ^(coincidentally Nao was barely present this episode). Also No.15 actually turned out to lowkey be a boss lol.
Xが他のチームにいるっていう予想、結構当たってたし理由も合ってて笑った。でも秋山が別チーム作る展開にはならなそうで、それはいいね。 あと今回の秋山、めっちゃ輝いてたわ。この番組には結構厳しく評価してきたけど、今日はほぼ全部にいい意味で驚かされた(偶然にもナオはほとんど出番なかったけどね)。それに15番、実は地味にボスキャラだったってわけか笑普通くん+23
Frontier246
Akiyama hardcore carrying Nao **and** this show on his back.
秋山ガチでNaoとこの作品を背負ってるやんwww 肩に乗せてるだけやなくて背中に担いでるンゴ2ちゃん+25
Careful_Ad_9077
No 15 is using all the karma he farmed.
え、マジで!?15がためたカルマ全部使ってるってやばくね笑 確かにその展開アリだわ〜ギャル+13
abandoned_idol
Have you also seen Trillion Game?
Trillion Gameも観たんか?ワイも観てるンゴwww あれも面白いよな2ちゃん+6
FutureComplaint
No… go on…
まだ見てないんだけど…続き聞かせてよ!ギャル+5
abandoned_idol
原文
Same voice actor, similar character. The Liar Game character seems to be punishing greedy villains, the Trillion Game one networks with and cons everyone (especially high-status business people) and everything in order to lift companies up and trail blaze dozens of new ventures until reaching a trillion dollars. The best part about Trillion Game is that it is both written by the same author as Dr. Stone, and has significant overlap with Dr. Stone (specialized roles party recruiter, learning business/cons instead of science). Highly recommend it if you are a fan of either Dr. Stone, Ascendance of a Bookworm, or Spice and Wolf. Businesses can be very fun!
確かに。声優同じでキャラも似てるね。 LIAR GAMEの方は強欲な悪党を懲らしめる感じで、Trillion Gameの方はみんなとネットワーク作って(特に高ステータスのビジネス層を)騙しながら企業を成長させて新規事業を開拓しまくって1兆ドル目指す話だよ。 Trillion Gameの最高なところはDr.STONEと同じ作者ってことと、専門的な役割(パーティー勧誘役とか)や科学の代わりにビジネス/詐欺を学ぶって点でDr.STONEと重なる部分が多いこと。 Dr.STONE、本好きの下剋上、狼と香辛料のファンなら超おすすめ。ビジネスって意外と面白いよ!普通くん+11
HolyDragSwd2500
I love Smug Akiyama face. Been waiting for this moment here
やばっ!あのAkiyamaのドヤ顔まじ好きなんだけど笑 この瞬間待ってたんだよね〜!ギャル+27
Kyuzo897
Where are all the people complaining about how predictable this was last weak??? When Fukunaga plan was indeed 100% foolproof unless he was found to be X prior to voting so his identity reveal was irrelevant at that point and even intentional I would say.
先週「展開読めた」って言ってた人たちどこいったんだよ??福永の計画は投票前にXだとバレない限り100%完璧だったんだから、正体がバレてももう関係なかったし、むしろわざとやったんじゃないかな。普通くん+24
HolyDragSwd2500
They got 100 million yen debt and couldn’t continue on with the game/discussion here 😉
草、先週「予想通りすぎワロタ」とか言ってた連中どこ行ったんやwww 福永の計画がマジで100%完璧やったから、そいつら1億円の借金背負ってゲームどころかこのスレからも逃亡したんやろな😉2ちゃん+22
Emi_Ibarazakiii
原文
> Where are all the people complaining about how predictable this was last weak??? Everywhere? I mean no one is saying they will predict every single thing correctly... But the two things that were SUPER obvious and predictable: - Blondie was X - Akiyama flipped his vote These things were supposed to be 'big mysteries', but they were both as obvious as they could possibly be... (And I also think what's happening at the end of this episode is super predictable, wrote it in another comment)
先週「予想通りすぎる」って言ってた人たちどこ行った?って話だけど どこにでもいるよ? 全部完璧に予想できるなんて言ってる人はいないけどさ… でも超明らかで予想できた2つは: - ブロンドの正体がX - アキヤマが投票を変えた これらは「大きな謎」として扱われてたけど、どっちもありえないくらい明白だったよね… (それに今回のエピソードの最後もめっちゃ予想通りだと思う、別のコメントに書いたけど)普通くん+6
Timewhilewaiting
I mean, it’s not like they were trying to hide that Akiyama switched his vote. They literally had him fold it up really small so it could be revealed last. I don’t think it was really supposed to be a surprise.
確かに、秋山が票を操作したことは隠そうとしていなかったよね。わざわざ小さく折って最後に明かす演出にしてたし、驚かせる意図は元々なかったという考察ができる。制作陣は伏線として視聴者に気づかせる計算だったんだろうな。考察くん+17
eyrington
Well, you are the one who will say: "oh in the end Goku will win against Freezer, so predictable". I mean, sure akiyama flipped his vote, but the beauty of the show is in the detail, not the ending (spoiler, akiyama will save nao)
確かにそうだね。「結局悟空がフリーザに勝つんだろ、予想通り」って言うのと同じだよ。秋山が票を変えたのはわかるけど、この作品の魅力は結末じゃなくて細部にあると思う(ネタバレすると、秋山はナオを救うんだろうけど)。普通くん+7
Successful-Peach-764
It was pretty funny the guy counting the votes asking if he could continue after the lengthy reveal of x and their plans, typical villain explaining all their plans before the end so the protagonists can turn around and say I saw it all coming. Why not just keep your mouth shut until the actual event ends? after all that planning to boast about it before it even finishes trope is too easy.
草ァ!票数カウントしてた奴が「続けてもいい?」って聞くシーン笑ったわ Xの計画ダラダラ説明して、ラスボスあるあるすぎるやろwww 「全部見えてたんだよ!」って主人公に逆転される展開がテンプレすぎて草 せめて終わるまで黙っとけって話やん 計画練ったのに自慢したくてベラベラ喋るの、ガチでヌルゲーすぎるンゴwww2ちゃん+18
Kyuzo897
It was irrelevant at that point honestly. Akiyama already knew Hitomi/Fukunaga was X that's why he always picked the same answer as him to guarantee to be always in the minority.
確かに。あの時点ではもう意味なかったよね。秋山がXが瞳/福永だって気づいてたから、常に同じ答えを選んで少数派に残るようにしてたんだな。普通くん+23
Revolutionary-Start
What do u mean easy? It was obvious to Akiyama who X was because of yuji knowing about the check despite Nao not mentioning it. Yuji revealing his plan is irrelevant.
それな!てか「簡単じゃん」って言ってるやつ意味わかんないんだけど笑 あきやまがX見抜けたのは、なおがチケットの話してないのにゆうじが知ってたからじゃん?ゆうじの計画暴露は関係なくない?ギャル+10
Kill-bray
原文
For Akiyama's plan to unfold it wasn't sufficient for he to know about Fukunaga's betrayal, he need the other two participants to know. This is why he made it so his vote would be taken last, he expected Fukunaga to out himself in front of the other two. Of course I think he would have managed to convince the other two that Fukunaga fooled them, but it was way more effective if Fukunaga himself revealed it all.
あーなるほどな。秋山の計画が成立するには、フクナガの裏切りを知ってるだけじゃダメで、他の2人にもバラさなきゃいけなかったってわけか。 だから秋山は自分の投票を最後にしたんやな。フクナガが他の2人の前で自爆するのを期待してたってことか。 確かに秋山なら「お前ら騙されてるぞ」って他の2人を説得できたやろうけど、フクナガ本人に全部白状させる方が効果的やったってわけか。草2ちゃん+9
kerorobot
the purpose of the game is to find liar king, Convoluted plot being explained is part of the game.
確かにあのカウントしてる人が「続けていいですか?」って聞いたのちょっと面白かったな。でもゲームの目的は嘘つき王を見つけることだし、あの長ったらしい説明もゲームの一部って感じだね。普通くん+10
AlexeiFraytar
This is prime tv for their sponsors, watching the poors tear at each other
それな!あの投票カウントしてるやつが長々と暴露した後に「続けていい?」って聞くのウケたじゃん笑 まじでスポンサーからしたら最高のTVだよね、貧乏人同士で争わせるのとかヤバすぎるんだけど!ギャル+7
Frontier246
原文
Yuji played Nao like a fiddle! And not just her, he'd been playing multiple teams at the same time! Guaranteeing he'd be in the minority every time until the groups had been whittled down enough to secure him an opportunity to take it all! And he's actually skilled enough to fend anyone who would come at him hand-to-hand. I love No. 15 sweating like he had no idea he was under suspicion of being "X" and not knowing how to react to that. But not all hope is lost! Akiyama saw through anything and managed to create a draw! He bluffed his "allies" to bluff his enemeis because he knew his plan wasn't foolproof and he knew 15 stood out too much to be X! Yoji played his hand by revealing the check only he would know about since he had it! Akiyama never trusted him from the beginning! It's fitting, then, that the final round would come down to Akiyama's question and the thing that Liar Game ultimately hinges on: is money the most important thing in the world? And Akiyama throws down the gauntlet by putting down a "no." There's already a "no" in there so how can the remaining three vote in such a way to end up the minority and without ending this in a tie or as the loser? Can they form one last-ditch alliance to succeed? Even though Yoji clearly can't be trusted and they all have a bunch of people they're contracted to pay back by winning? 15 finally speaks! And he seems to be razor-focused on winning and coming up with a way for them all to take home money...within what is deserved by them. Akiyama is just enjoying the show of watching them all scramble and yell at each other over what to do! Did 15 REALLY not cheat when giving out the votes? Either way, Akiyama seems absolutely certain they've fallen into his trap and I'm tempted to believe him.
悠二がナオを完全に手玉に取ってたな!しかもナオだけじゃなく、複数のチームを同時に操ってたんだよ。毎回確実に少数派になるよう仕組んで、グループが絞られるまで待ってから一気に総取りする算段だったんだな。しかも実際に格闘で誰が来ても返せるだけの実力も持ってるし。 15番が「X」の疑いをかけられてるのに気づかず、どう反応すればいいか分からず冷や汗かいてるの好き。 でもまだ希望はある!秋山は全てを見抜いて引き分けに持ち込んだ。彼は「味方」を騙して敵を欺いたんだ。自分の計画が完璧じゃないことと、15番が「X」にしては目立ちすぎることに気づいてたからな。悠二は自分だけが知ってるチェックを公開して手を明かした!秋山は最初から彼を信用してなかったんだ。 最終ラウンドが秋山の問いかけに行き着くのは納得だ。ライアーゲームの本質は「お金が世界で一番大事なものか?」ってこと。秋山は「ノー」を突きつけて挑戦状を叩きつけた。 既に「ノー」がある中で、残りの3人はどうやって引き分けや敗北を避けて少数派になれるんだ?最後の一発逆転の同盟を組めるのか?悠二が明らかに信用できないし、全員が勝って返済しなきゃいけない相手がいるのに。 15番がついに口を開いた!彼は勝利に集中して、全員が正当な報酬を持ち帰れる方法を考えて普通くん+17
thisisdropd
原文
Have to respect Yuuji for the quick thinking. I expected him to independently come up with the same strategy before the round but he instead stole and repurposed his strategy it. Coming up with such a plan on-the-go was certainly praiseworthy. Unfortunately, he made a fatal error in not instructing the teams to act as if they had lost. Little wonder someone of Akiyama’s skill saw through it instantly. Akiyama’s got some balls in announcing his own vote publicly. As expected, he had pitted other contestants in a conflict with that move. At the end they had seemingly resolved it but Akiyama’s still pretty smug while declaring that they’ve still fallen for his trap. Curious as to what the trap was.
ユージの機転は評価せざるを得ないンゴね。事前に同じ戦略を独自に思いつくかと思いきや、パクってアレンジしてたわ。即興であれをやるのは確かに称賛モンや。ただ、負けたフリを指示しなかったのが致命的なミスやったな。アキヤマの腕前なら一瞬で見抜くわな。 アキヤマは自分の投票を公表する度胸あるやん。案の定、他の参加者を対立させてたな。最後は表面上解決したように見えたけど、アキヤマはまだ罠にかかったってドヤ顔やったンゴ。その罠が何か気になるわ。2ちゃん+18
Frontier246
Also despite knowing his true gender he's still rocking that outfit and fake boobs. Akiyama: "That was absolute clown cinema. Thank you for the good time."
確かにユウジの機転はすごかったな。それに、彼の本当の性別を知った上でもあの衣装と偽乳を貫いてるのはすごいと思う。 秋山:「完璧なピエロ映画だったよ。いい時間をありがとう。」普通くん+15
HolyDragSwd2500
They were the entire Circus for 6 hour entertainment for Akiyama and us the audience 🍿
それな!秋山からしたら6時間まるまる楽しめるサーカスだったってことじゃん🍿こっちも最高のエンタメだったわ〜笑ギャル+17
BusouDrago
You are not a clown. You are the entire circus Miles Edgeworth
秋山「お前は道化じゃねぇよ。サーカスそのものやんwww」 草、マイルズ・エッジワース説出てきたンゴ2ちゃん+12
ChiakiKakumei
原文
Remember when people hated Nao? Note that she was MVP since she nor the other contestants knew about the 100 million yen being in a check. Akiyama and X know that the yen was in a check. X blabbed out about the 100 million yen check to NAO of all people; the person that X just insulted, looked down upon and being used in X’s plan. Nao pretty much helped Akiyama with the X reveal thanks to the phone call and their teamwork. And Akiyama playing 4D chess like a boss. He’s not even sweating bullets and just poker facing them with X and Red Mohawk panicking and Number 15 I guess making another plan.
確かに、かつては奈緒を嫌う声も多かったが、彼女こそMVPと言える。他の参加者も含め、誰も小切手で1億円が渡されていることを知らなかった。秋山とXだけがそれを把握していた中、Xは自ら奈緒に小切手のことを漏らした。Xが侮辱し、見下し、利用していた相手にだ。奈緒は電話とチームワークでXの正体暴きに貢献した。そして秋山は4次元チェスを指すかの如く、汗もかかずにポーカーフェイス。Xと赤モヒカンがパニックに陥る中、15番は次の策を練っていたのだろう。考察くん+10
MetaThPr4h
I haven't been this hype cliffhanger suffering since freaking Kaiji, and I could binge that one since it had already finished airing q_q
まじでカイジ以来のこのやばい引きずりじゃん!?しかもカイジは完走済みで一気見できたのに、これは週待ち地獄やばくね?q_qギャル+11
DrewbieWanKenobie
原文
I'm guessing the two dumbasses that gave Sunglasses their votes are about to be disqualified, when they described the rules they said if you don't vote within the 6 hours you're instantly disqualified, and I'm pretty confident that sunglasses did not actually put their votes in, so that means him and Akiyama are the only two who voted. So either way he votes himself, neither of them beat the other, so they both split the pot being the last two left. Unless I'm missing something... Maybe Akiyama made a secret deal with sunglasses for this moment, so he's actually going to vote yes too.
サングラスに票を入れたあのバカ2人は失格になりそうだな。ルール説明で6時間以内に投票しないと即失格って言ってたし、サングラスは実際には投票してないはず。つまり彼とアキヤマだけが投票したってことになる。どっちにしろ自分に投票しても互いに勝ち越せないから、最後の2人として賞金を分け合うってわけ。 何か見落としてるかもだけど…もしかしたらアキヤマがサングラスと秘密の取引をしてて、両方ともイエス票を入れる可能性もあるかもね。普通くん+10
HotBloodedNinja
原文
The moment you show one your vote, it would be impossible to lose (unless someone is dumb). Because no one would want to vote "No" as that will only result in either a draw or losing the game. But this applies for all 3 people. So you either try to draw to game by voting 'No' or vote "Yes" and hope one of the 2 outcomes- you win or at least one of the other 2 votes 'No". But considering their personality, none would take the risk of voting "No".
ワイの見解やと、誰かが投票を公開した瞬間、負けはほぼなくなるンゴ(バカじゃなければな)。なぜなら「No」に投票すると引き分けか負けにしかならんからや。でもこれは3人全員に当てはまる。つまり「No」で引き分け狙うか、「Yes」入れて残り2人のどっちかが「No」入れるの祈るしかない。 けどキャラ的に誰も「No」のリスク取らんやろな。2ちゃん+12
AlexxxandreS
I think i know what's gonna happen next, but I'm not so smart so it might be totally different from what I'm thinking... Cliffhanger is killing me
次どうなるか予想はつくんだけど、俺そんなに頭良くないから全然違う展開になるかもな… 続きが気になりすぎて辛いわ普通くん+8
MayonakaMadaraka
*“It’s a trap!”* — Admiral Ackbar
「それ、罠じゃん!」 — アクバー提督ギャル+10
LG03
So there are 2 outcomes as I see it. * Sunglasses is in cahoots with Akiyama and voted yes after scheming to get his hands on the votes * There's some rule I missed about having to cast your own votes which disqualifies the other 3
この展開、2つの可能性が考察できるな。 1. サングラスは秋山と内通していて、票を集める策略を練った上で「はい」に投票した 2. 自分で投票しなければならないルールを見落としていて、他の3人が無効になった 個人的には1の線が濃厚だと思う。秋山の緻密な計画を考えると、サングラスが単独行動するとは考えにくい。むしろ、わざと票を集めるポジションを作ることで、他のプレイヤーを混乱させる意図があった可能性が高い。考察くん+10
Emi_Ibarazakiii
原文
I heavily theorized that it's #1 yes, but your #2 reminded me of another theory I briefly considered: I think they said something about anyone NOT voting in 6 hours is automatically disqualified; If they're real close on time, he could just screw around for a few seconds (or like, eat the papers or something) so the other ones would have no choice but to vote "no", making HIM the winner (either way he'd probably be doing this with Akiyama)
1番の説は俺も結構考えてたけど、2番の説を聞いて前ちょっと考えた別の理論を思い出したんだ。 - 6時間以内に投票しないと自動失格ってルールがあったよね - 時間ギリギリになったら、わざと時間稼ぎして(紙食べるとか)他の人に「ノー」投票させるしかなくする戦略 - そうすりゃサングラスが勝者になる(多分秋山と共謀してる前提だけど)普通くん+9
Tradition_Leather
I'm quite surprised that the game doesn't end in this episode. Quite worried about how many Games will the anime adapt. Finally seeing someone who came up with the question voted no.
草、まだゲーム終わらんのかよ。何話までやるんやろ…不安やわ。 ついに「ノー」って投票したやつ出てきたな。2ちゃん+8
DeadlyFatalis
Based on the current pace, I'm fairly confident there will be two more games adapted. The next game will probably take about the around the same amount of episodes as this one. (~Episodes 7-12) But the one after that one, will be a longer arc taking the last 12 episodes.
確かに今のペースならあと2ゲームはやると思う。次のゲームは今回と同じくらいの話数(7〜12話)で、その次は長めのアークで残り12話くらいになるんじゃないかな。普通くん+5
Emi_Ibarazakiii
原文
Truer words ever spoken on this show! This part was actually clever! I considered the 'multiple teams' thing, that part was fairly obvious, but the 3 way things guaranteeing the minority vote, that was good! We have the benefit as the viewers, but that was obvious too hah. I'm surprised X didn't even consider that, I mean he knew Akiyama suspected something like that, so AT SOME POINT he would have to flip his vote to counter X, whoever he was... That's rich hah. That was good too! (To be fair, I DID notice it, but I thought it was just an 'animation choice' or something, like 'let's not make a scene with them panicking and all'). Maybe I should've seen it coming! Which means you have to play the game... With someone who's proven smarter than you? Good luck! He wouldn't need luck if he played against Nao though, because again proving herself dumb hah. They're not flipping coins here! It's 25% if the winner is picked at random yeah... Not with strategies. Interesting strategy! Reminds me of the strategy the guy used in [Game Show]>!Golden Balls, I think it was called!<, telling his opponent he'll steal the money, just to put them in a reverse prisoner dilemma and all! But there's has to be more to this... Because there's no way he can anticipate how people would react to this scenario; People tend to be unpredictable. So he has to know for sure what people will do, which means: Making another team. For the longest time I've been 90% sure he's teaming up with this guy... And when he said that I bumped this up to 99%; He got the other 2 Yes votes. If he votes Yes as well, this guarantees Akiyama's win, who will stay in the game (just like 15 said he would) to get enough money to share among those who 'participated'. So yeah I think that's pretty clear this is what's happening! (The other 1% would be that he teamed up with X and only pretends to be against him, in a double reverse flip switcharoo thing, but I don't really see it hah).
この作品でこれ以上ないほど的確な言葉だな。 この展開、実は巧妙だった。複数チームの仕組みは確かに分かりやすかったけど、少数派を保証する3方向の投票構造は秀逸だ。視聴者としてはその恩恵を受けてるけど、それも明らかだったな(笑)。Xがその可能性すら考慮しなかったのは驚きだ。秋山が何か疑ってるのを知ってたんだから、いずれはXに対抗して投票を変えるタイミングが来るはずなのに。 あの演出も良かった。実は気づいてたけど「アニメ的な演出だろう」と思ってたんだ。もっと警戒すべきだったな。 つまり、自分より賢い相手とゲームをしなきゃいけないってことか。頑張れとしか言えないな。でも直と戦うなら運は必要ないだろうな。彼女はまた自分の愚かさを証明してるし。 ここでコイン投げじゃないんだよ。勝者がランダムなら確率は25%だ。戦略が絡むと話は別だ。 この戦略、『Golden Balls』のあの戦略を思い出すよ。相手に「金を盗む」と言って逆囚人のジレンマに陥れるやつ。でもこれにはもっと深い仕掛けがあるはず。人の反応を予測するのは不可能に近いからな。 だから彼は確実に人々の行動を知る必要がある。つまり、別のチームを作ってるんだ。ずっと90%の確信で彼はあの男と組んでると思ってた。そしてこの発言で99%に上がった。彼は残り2票のイエスを得て、自身もイエ考察くん+6
Emi_Ibarazakiii
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(Oh, I forgot a part/argument of my theory hah) That's why 15 was so stubborn about "Not budging at all", not even giving 1 yen; He WANTED the group to stall for the full duration, to lead to this exact result (allowing him to grab the votes)! If he doesn't do that, well even aiming for a draw, one of them could fuck it up, either - Trying to betray them - Thinking the OTHERS are trying to betray, and trying to 'correct' it So yeah, stalling and grabbing the votes was the only safe move, and given there's zero trust in the team he knew the others would never take the chance of everyone voting for what they're supposed to... Which ALSO confirms that the other 2 are fucking idiots; I mean I guess there's the time pressure and all, but they should have never given him the votes, without asking him to give his other vote first!
あっ、自分の理論の一部忘れてたわ(ハハ) だから15は「1円も譲らん」ってガチで頑固だったんやな わざと時間いっぱいまで引き伸ばさせて、この結果(投票権をかっさらう)を狙ってたんや! もしそうせんかったら、引き分け狙いでも誰かが裏切るか 「相手が裏切るかも」って思って先手打つかでミスる可能性あったし つまり時間稼ぎして票を奪うのが唯一の安全策やったってわけ チームに信用ゼロやから、みんなが素直に投票するわけないって読んでたんやな つーか他の2人はマジでアホやろ 時間制限あるのはわかるけど、自分の票を先に出させる前に投票権渡すなよ!2ちゃん+7
BaytaCosmico
I agree that 15 teaming up with Akiyama seems the most likely. My problem with that though is why would he make that statement about things not going the way Akiyama expects *after* casting their votes? If it's as we think, he's voted yes and made Akiyama the winner. So where's the need to still pretend? Is he playing it safe to not give away the game like X stupidly did?
せやな、15がアキヤマと組むのが一番ありえそうやわ。でも気になるのは、投票終わった後に「アキヤマの思惑通りにはいかん」ってわざわざ言う必要あるんかって話や。もしワイらの予想通りなら、15はイエス投票してアキヤマ勝たせたってことやろ?なんでまだ芝居続ける必要があるんや。Xみたいにバカ正直にゲームバラすのを避けて、慎重に立ち回ってるってことか?2ちゃん+6
rebon6
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That would never work. If everyone voted openly, Lets say 15 or 09 were to vote no, then Yuji will just vote yes. Yuji would win, whoever the last person is, they can openly betray the group. lets reverse it and lets say the Yuji and 09 vote yes because they calculate the above possibility, then the last guy can stall and make a deal with akiyama to make him win then split the prize money. Whoever votes last will be at an advantage. They'll all be stupid to vote first. Which is why 15 suggested they all vote at the same time. They would never expect him to betray them at this rate, because he already suggested he wanted the 230 million and wanted to move to the next round.
なるほど、これは興味深い考察だ。確かに公開投票の仕組みを分析すると、投票順がゲームの鍵を握っているのがわかる。 - 仮に15番か09番が「ノー」に投票した場合、主人公・秋山は「イエス」に投票することで勝利できる。そして最後に投票する人物が、秋山と取引して賞金を分配する裏切りの選択肢を持つ。 - 逆に、秋山と09番が上記の可能性を計算して「イエス」に投票した場合、最後の人物が時間を稼ぎ、秋山と交渉して自身を勝者にした上で賞金を山分けする戦略も成立する。 - つまり、最後に投票する者が圧倒的に有利であり、誰も先に投票したがらない。だからこそ15番は全員同時投票を提案したのだ。 - さらに彼は既に2億3000万円を要求して次ラウンド進出を表明しているため、この段階で裏切るとは誰も予想しない——この心理的盲点を突いた戦術だと言える。考察くん+6
FoolingFinality
>People do yield before violence, that's for sure. Your logic is sound there. But to carry out that logic, you need to be stronger than the other guy. Do you understand that? - X, or should I say a certain Elite student in the Classroom
暴力に人は屈服するよね、それは確か。君の論理は正しい。でもその論理を実行するには、相手より強くないといけないんだ。それがわかる? - X、いや教室のあるエリート生徒って言うべきか普通くん+7
AmbiguousPuzuma
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Very interesting episode. Here's my prediction: No. 15's willingness to move on must be a lie. X basically says that no rational actor would be willing to move onto the next round, and I think he's right. At this point in the game, we can expect anybody still in other than our main pair to be self interested and reasonably intelligent. Since Akiyama knew about X's ploy before this round of voting, he would have had time to contact No. 15, and I think he made him an offer. We've already introduced the legal contracts as a method to make genuinely binding promises in the right circumstances, and No. 15 brought up that a player can access an additional 1.05B by moving on to the next round. So my theory is that Akiyama wrote a contract in which No 15 will throw the game over to him in exchange for Akiyama paying off him and his own legally required debts. This would be worth it for No. 15 if he can get a guarantee worth more than his own split that he listed in the episode, 230M. He is also legally on the hook for his team's debts, so he needs to get that guaranteed too. Now, let's see if the math works out. Narratively, we can be pretty much sure that the contract has to force Akiyama to move onto the next round of Liar Game, otherwise the show ends, so we're hoping the numbers force him to access the additional money. The contract from our team's alliance guaranteed a payout of 143.75M per person. There's no way Akiyama could know if the other teams were different, so let's assume everyone has the same contract. In that case, Akiyama will need to guarantee a payout to five non-X members of our team (excluding Nao and Akiyama for now because they are the main characters and Nao is superhumanly altruistic) and six non-X members of team No. 15, plus a payout of at least 230M to No 15. That gives a total of strictly greater than 1.81125B. This means that Akiyama will be left with a maximum of 228.75M and won't have enough to escape round 3, although depending on No.15's payout demand, he may be able to pay off Nao's debt. I'm sure she'll stick with him regardless, but I have absolutely no idea how she can actually get back into the game at this point. In this scenario, Mohawk Guy's entire team including X get screwed.
今回のエピソード面白かったンゴねぇ。ワイの予想や: ・15番が「次のラウンド行く」って言ってるのは絶対嘘やろ。Xの言う通り、合理的なプレイヤーなら次には進まんわな。 ・秋山がこの投票前にXの策略知ってたなら、15番に接触して契約結ばせた可能性高いで。 ・15番は次のラウンド行けば追加で10.5億円も手に入るって言うてたし、秋山が「ワイがお前の借金全部肩代わりするから、代わりに試合投げてくれ」って契約書かせたんちゃうか? ・15番の取り分は2.3億円以上保証されれば得やし、チームの借金も肩代わりされるなら納得やろ。 ・計算すると、秋山は最大でも2.2875億円しか残らんから、第3ラウンド脱出は無理かも。でもナオの借金は何とかなるかもな。 ・モヒカン兄ちゃんのチームは全滅コースやなwww2ちゃん+5
lI1IlL071245B3341IlI
Is this show worth watching? I'm intrigued by the idea but the ratings don't seem that great.
え、このアニメ見る価値あるの?アイデアはめっちゃ気になるんだけど、評価あんま良くなさそうじゃん?ギャル+5
HolyDragSwd2500
If you love mind games etc then I recommend this series. Read the manga as well since the anime will stop at a certain point here ( fan favorite arc/game)
確かに!もし頭脳戦・心理ゲームが好きならこの作品はマジでおすすめ!アニメは人気のゲーム編で終わっちゃうから原作漫画も読んだ方がいいよ。面白すぎるからッ!感情くん+6
Timewhilewaiting
His reasoning was that, if the woman he replaced had gone into the game, number 15 is the only one who would look suspicious because you couldn’t see his whole face. Therefore it’s a dumb disguise because she would never trust someone who looks so sketchy, knowing that it might be the guy who stole from her.
ワイ「もしあの女がゲームに入ってたら、15番だけが怪しく見えるやろ。顔全体見えへんし。そんな怪しい奴を信じるわけないから、この変装はアホやろな」って推理してて草。確かに盗んだ犯人かもって思ったら信用せんわな。2ちゃん+13
Kyuzo897
The manga is very dialogue heavy with explaining all the strategies and math behind It and the anime is following that.
確かに原作も会話パートが多くて戦略や計算の説明が中心だから、アニメもそれに忠実だね。普通くん+6
HolyDragSwd2500
I highly recommend you go back reading the manga after you watch the anime. You won’t regret it
アニメ見終わったらマンガ読むのマジでオススメやで。絶対後悔しないンゴwww2ちゃん+6