LIAR GAME

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2026.8.3 r/anime

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警戒
“自白ゲーム”によって昼の国の策が暴露され、ヨコヤがその大胆な作戦を解説していく。ヨコヤはアキヤマが嘘をついている可能性もあると考えていて、真偽を見極めるために昼の国の策に乗ったフリをすると宣言する。
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ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp
Oh fuck right off ending it there. Lol
ふざけんな、そこで終わるとか。笑普通くん
melindypants
The audacity of going thru so many rounds in the last minute and then end
最後の1分で何ラウンドも突破しといて最後に詰むとか草生えるわwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
And with the plane finally taking off lol.
ふっ、ついに飛行機が飛び立ったでござるか。笑ってしまうわい。武士
Emi_Ibarazakiii
Given the 17 million moving pieces, I expect we'll need at least half an episode (if not the full episode) of flashbacks to explain everything that happened at the end!
まじでヤバくない!?17万の動くピースがあるって考えるとさ、最後に起きたこと全部説明するのに、フラッシュバックだけで半話は絶対必要じゃね?フル1話使うかもね笑ギャル
LezRock
So we're still going to be left on a cliffhanger at the end of the next episode 😂
次なる話の終幕、またもや我々は深淵の縁に立たされるのか…笑いを禁じ得ぬ運命の悪戯よ。中二病
fork_yuu
I'm surprised they didn't give some number to give people a week to digest and go wild with theories on wtf happened
一週間数字を出して、何が起きたのか考察で盛り上がる時間を与えなかったのが意外だな。普通くん
gamria
On the flipside, writing-wise no numbers suggests that they're something that could deviate from expectations, and you're left to wonder on the extent of said hypothetical deviation and go wild with the mystery here.
逆に言えば、数字が出ないってのは期待を裏切る可能性があるってことで、どこまで逸脱するのか想像が膨らんで、ミステリーとして楽しめるんだよな。まあ悪くない仕掛けだ。ドライおじ
Jacob-C
My theory is that the buff guy moved the money from The Country of Night's ATM instead of The Country of Day's. However, I also got a bit lost in Yokoya's plan and what it actually entails so I am probably completely wrong.
ワイの考察やけど、マッチョ野郎が昼の国やなくて夜の国のATMから金動かしたんちゃうかって思っとるンゴ。ただ横谷の計画の全容がよく分からんくなってもうたから、多分ガチで外してるわwww2ちゃん
gamria
原文
If it helps, Yokoya's plan this episode comes in two phases, with the 2nd contingent on whether the 1.91 Billion given to the 3 idiots were deposited or hidden. Firstly, no matter which scenario, Yokoya surmises that Akiyama first needs one of the traitors to cart and deposit one half of the contents (ie all money excluding the 1.91 Billion) from the Night ATM to the Day ATM (and thus will be part of Dayside's endgame earnings). In response, Yokoya will get the elected traitor to pretend to deposit, and in truth intercept and hide them on their side instead. That way, because the deposit is never completed and the contents are still considered part of the Night ATM, they shall remain part of Nightside's endgame earnings and Dayside is doomed. Next step is decided by whether the 1.91 Billion were deposited or hidden: If deposited, Akiyama is bound to tell the traitor after (1) is completed; if that's the case, Akiyama will again withdraw the 1.91 Billion, and Nightside will just repeat (1) with this batch. And with both contents hidden on their side, Nightside can settle for this victory condition: "lower 3rd Country balance, lose and drop out of Liar Game, keep much total earnings" If hidden (ascertained by Akiyama not telling the traitor anything after (1) is completed), that means both countries are in fact still about equal in 3rd Country + ATM totals; if that's the case, Nightside will adjust and aim for a higher 3rd Country balance instead, so that they can still win by having more money. They'll settle for this victory condition: "higher 3rd Country balance, win and remain in the Liar Game, keep plenty of total earnings" Does this make it clearer?
横谷の今回の計画は2段階だね。まず、3バカに渡した19.1億が預けられたか隠されたかで分岐する。第一に、どっちにせよ秋山が裏切り者の1人に夜側ATMの中身(19.1億以外の全額)を日側ATMへ運んで預けるように指示するはずだと横谷は読んでる。それで、選んだ裏切り者に預けるフリをさせて、実際は横谷側で隠す。預金が完了しない限り、それは夜側の最終収益の一部だから、日側は詰む。次のステップは19.1億が預けられたか隠されたかで決まる。預けられた場合、秋山は(1)完了後に裏切り者に伝えるはずで、その場合は19.1億を再度引き出して、夜側は同じ手を繰り返す。両方隠せれば、夜側は「第3国残高が低い、負けてライアーゲーム脱落、でも総収益は多い」で勝ち条件を満たせる。隠された場合((1)後に秋山が何も伝えないことで確認)、両国はまだほぼ互角だから、夜側は「第3国残高を高くして、勝ってライアーゲームに残り、収益も確保」を狙う。これで分かりやすくなったかな?普通くん
FarCritical
I know it's too late in the game for it but still couldn't help but imagine Nao "strategically" yapping about her teddy bear again when Hasegawa reported her saying nothing relevant. Getting to see Akiyama framed as an enigmatic threat from the opponent team's POV like we did for Yokoya was so cool.
もう遅いのは分かってるンゴけど、長谷川が「何も関連すること言ってない」って報告した時にナオがまた「戦略的に」テディベアの話をダラダラ喋ってる姿を想像せずにはいられへんかったわwww 横矢みたいに相手チーム視点で秋山が謎の脅威として描かれたの、ガチでカッコよかったやん2ちゃん
Oden_sama__
I would watch a whole episode about nao yapping about her teddy bear tbh
ナオがテディベアについて語るだけの回とかまじで見たいんだけど!ギャル
AdministrationOnly17
We demand teddy bear lore!!
ぬぬっ、テディベアの物語を所望とは……某もまた、その真相をこの目で確かめたく候!武士
l-o-a-p
Thank you for coming to my TED dy bear talk
俺のテディベアTEDトークに来てくれてサンキューなwwwwおじ
thisisdropd
原文
How the tables have turned. At the start of the game, Akiyama admitted that he’s terrified of Yokoya and now it’s the other way around. Granted, it’s only Leronira’s observation instead of Yokoya’s admission himself. Akiyama hardly had any screentime with most of the episode in the Night country’s perspective but he had definitely cooked a counterattack. Not sure how it’s related but Nao playing inspector and smuggler in the entirety of the final day must’ve been part of the plan. The rounds might be over but we’ll have to wait until next week for the results and the revelation of Akiyama’s plans. This show might be called Liar Game but it’s more like Edging Game for us the audience with this kind of cliffhanger.
立場が完全に逆転したな。ゲーム開始時、秋山は横谷を恐れていると認めていたが、今やその関係が真逆になっている。とはいえ、それはレロニラの観察に過ぎず、横谷自身の告白ではないがな。秋山は今週の大半を夜の国の視点で過ごし、スクリーンタイムはほぼなかったが、確実に反撃の一手を打っていた。関連性は不明だが、奈緒が最終日に検察官と密輸業者を兼任していたのも、計画の一部だった可能性が高い。ラウンドは終了したが、結果と秋山の策略の全貌が明かされるのは来週まで待つ必要がある。この作品は「Liar Game」と呼ばれているが、視聴者にとっては「Edging Game」とでも言うべきか、この引きの展開はな。考察くん
Frontier246
I just love the idea of Nao being Akiyama's secret weapon. Even when you see her against Yokoya she's not sweating in the slightest, just facing him with a absolute resolve and certainty.
直哉の切り札としての奈緒っていう設定がすごく好きだな。横屋と対峙してても全然焦ってないし、ただ絶対的な決意と確信を持って立ち向かってる感じがいい。普通くん
Western-Internal-751
She’s a woman of focus, commitment and sheer fucking will
彼女は集中力と執念と、クソみたいな意志の塊の女だッ!感情くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
It’s been interesting seeing things from Yokoya’s side this time around. It’s been a real battle of wits between him and Akiyama. I’m enjoying seeing Akiyama pushing Yokoya a little bit. Guy can’t easily control this round like the others with Akiyama as his opponent. Very keen to see the end results of this game and where all the money has gone.
今回、横屋の視点から見られるのが興味深いな。彼と秋山の間では、まさに知略のぶつかり合いが繰り広げられている。秋山が横屋を少し追い詰めている様子は見ていて面白い。対戦相手が秋山だから、前のラウンドみたいに簡単には掌握できないんだろう。このゲームの結末と、金がどこへ消えたのか、非常に気になるところだ。考察くん
Frontier246
Even when Yokoya was sure of his victory he couldn't 100% do away with this nagging feeling that Akiyama had pulled a fast one. Even though they've never directly confronted each other in this game.
横矢が勝ち確信しててもさ、アキヤマに何かやられたかもってモヤモヤが消えないんだよね笑 このゲームで直接対決してないのにさ、やばくない?ギャル
BubblyCrash
they confronted each other once I believe, early on while Yokoya was pretending to be Clairvoyant. But even though they didn't interact often, they got to know each other really well through their battle of wits, played out through their teams.
確か序盤、横矢が透視能力者を装っていた時期に一度対峙したはずだ。直接の交流は少なかったが、互いのチームを介して繰り広げた知略戦を通じて、お互いを深く理解し合っていたという考察ができる。考察くん
gamria
原文
I'll add that while the two have only met face-to-face during that one Inspection while Yokoya was playing clairvoyant, everything else the two know about each other comes from intel and claims gleaned from other players (eg. Kikuzawa (both ways), Nao, Mr Beard) that is supplemented by the exhibited gameplay. That is, the two barely met directly but are so cautious they're paying attention to every clue they can get in order to read the other player. The high tension chess game feel is just so exquisite, so convincing.
二人が直接顔を合わせたのは、横谷が透視を演じていたあの査定の時だけだったけど、それ以外の情報は他のプレイヤー(菊沢、直、髭男爵)から得た情報と噂、そして実際のゲームプレイから補完されたものなんだよね。つまり、二人はほとんど直接会ってないのに、相手を読むためにあらゆる手掛かりに注意を払ってる。その張り詰めたチェスゲームのような緊張感が本当に絶妙で、説得力があるんだよ。普通くん
Several-Lie-2670
this is the beauty of liar game compare to other smart genre manga.
これこそLIAR GAMEの魅力だよな、他の頭脳系漫画と比べても段違いだわwwwwおじ
BosuW
As well part of Yokoya's personality I think. He doesn't trust anyone when it comes to the fine details of it. I don't know how, but I'm sure him choosing to be the only participant in the final game is sure to have sealed his doom.
横矢の性格の一部やろな。細かい部分に関しては誰も信頼せえへん。どうやってやったかは知らんけど、最終ゲームで単独参加を選んだのが運命を決めたんやろな。ワイには確信あるわ。2ちゃん
Nexio8324
原文
I love the scene of Yokoya breaking down his and Akiyama's plans. Given the information he has, everything makes perfect sense, and follows logically without any huge leaps or assumptions. With any ordinary group of players, this game would continue to be a mostly luck/bluffing based game about trying to read your opponents, but Akiyama and Yokoya take things to a whole other level. There's a reason they spend a whole episode just explaining the rules, every little quirk in the ruleset becomes important later on.
横矢が自分と秋山の計画を分析するシーンが好きだな。彼が持ってる情報だけで見ると、すべてが理にかなってて、無理な飛躍や思い込みなしに論理的に繋がってるんだよ。普通のプレイヤー集団なら、このゲームは運やブラフ、相手を読むゲームで終わるだろうけど、秋山と横矢はそれを別次元に引き上げてる。ルール説明にまるまる1話使うのにも理由があるんだよね。ルールの細かい仕様が後々重要になってくるからさ。普通くん
Several-Lie-2670
this is the beauty of liar game compare to other scd. that is why i put liar game always at the top
これぞLIAR GAMEの美しさだよ!他の心理戦アニメとは比べ物にならないって!だから俺はいつもLIAR GAMEを頂点に置いてるんだ!優勝!感情くん
Tricxter
What's scd? Smart character debate?
scdって何?賢いキャラ討論会?普通くん
Revolutionary-Start
My twin
我が半身よ、汝の存在こそ運命の共鳴なり。我らは一つの魂を分かつ、永遠の絆に結ばれし存在なのだ。中二病
T3tr4d5
I also like that Yokoya is actually a very cautious person, unlike the usual antagonist who is easy to slip up once they are winning. He even second guess himself a lot, not just his teammates.
横矢が慎重なのもいいよね。普通の敵役なら勝ってると油断してミスするけど、彼は違う。自分の判断も疑うし、チームメイトだけでなく自分自身にも疑問を持つところがリアルだと思う。普通くん
BubblyCrash
I wonder if Nao was played exclusively in the final day because she was the only one who wouldn't get tempted by Yokoya, unlike all the other players. It could be similar to why Yokoya didn't want anyone else to interact with the other team, because it risked betrayal. Guess we'll see all the explanations and revelations in next week's episode.
最終日に直が起用されたのは、彼女だけがヨコヤの誘惑に屈しない唯一の存在だったからではないかという考察ができる。他のプレイヤー全員とは違い、直には金銭欲がない。これはヨコヤが他チームとの接触を避けた理由、つまり裏切りのリスクを恐れたことと通じる構造だと思われる。全容は来週のエピソードで明かされるだろうが、この配置は制作陣の意図が読める設計だな。考察くん
BosuW
I think it's this plus she might spot a clue early if Yokoya discovered their lie and inform Akiyama.
まあ、それに加えて、もし横谷が彼らの嘘を見抜いて秋山に知らせたら、彼女が早い段階で手がかりに気づく可能性もあるだろうな。ドライおじ
darthvall
I thought the plan is for Nao to convert Yokoya LOL
ナオが横谷を改心させるって計画だったんだっけ(笑)普通くん
Kill-bray
fat chance!
無理無理無理www 絶対ないわwww2ちゃん
rebon6
I think its also because she volunteered to sacrifice herself more than anyone else. Currently the country day aims to lose, so in here she's basically the only one risking and losing her money.
彼女が誰よりも進んで自分を犠牲にしようとしたからだと思う。今のカントリーデイは負けるのが目的だから、ここでリスクを負ってお金を失ってるのは実質彼女だけだよね。普通くん
l-o-a-p
Which would imply Akiyama’s plan was also 99% enacted and just needed that last 1% of smooth sailing. Good parallel.
つまり秋山の計画も99%は成功してて、最後の1%のスムーズさだけが足りなかったってことやな。良い対比やわ。2ちゃん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
原文
He must have high confidence in his 'control', to send him again (and on such an important mission)! That, or he's also planning something in case he betrays them again! Or hell, he could even EXPECT him to betray them, and that's part of the plan! It's a game with so many variables/moving pieces (and 'unknowns'), lots of things can happen! F to the idiots! (Also, not too long ago, Nao probably would've been among those 3! Our girl's getting places!) I wonder how I'd do in Yokoya's place, because everytime during his speech/explanation, I was thinking ahead about the very next line he was saying hah. They need a plan that accounts for the caught betrayal (bluff), one for the double betrayal, and who knows what else! At first it was the Country of Day 'stealing their strategy' (unknowingly), now it's the opposite! I wonder if that would make some of his group doubt him; Like "Ok so the strategy is just to do what Akiyama has been doing many rounds ago? That's all you can come up with?" And that aside, they may fear that "If Akiyama came up with it, surely he's expecting us to think about it as well, and are prepared for it"! Unless Yokoya is playing 40D chess here, this may have given it away... Sending the "risky player" right away, like they're trying to help Akiyama's plan... Of course, if Akiyama suspects nothing about them figuring out their plan, then he would think "Wow, the stars align for us!" but... Of course Akiyama would not just think "Everything's coming up Milhouse!" and assume everything goes perfectly by pure chance. Even if he did not suspect something BEFORE, he probably does now... Things are going a little too well. So unless that WAS Yokoya's plan (to make him realize, to act against his NEW plan), that may have been a mistake! Finally someone says it hah. It may be too little too late though; Not only he looked at him, but Yokoya was ANGRY that he looked at him... Giving it away! That's huh... Surely not a coincidence? Is this Akiyama's doing? Or are the organizers "in" somehow? I don't know if they can be bribed hah. If it IS Akiyama's doing... I can't think of anything he would win by disabling a speaker, so I'm thinking perhaps it's not about the speaker at all; Perhaps he needed parts from the speaker to build something else; Either a communication device (from country to country?), or a recording device, something like that! They think there's no way to betray Yokoya due to the control he holds over them... That's true if we're talking about individual players yes. But if we're talking about the group as a whole... Yokoya's power currently comes from him holding money (and debt) over their head. If that power disappears (say, if they believe the game is lost and they're all in massive debts) then he has nothing on them... And unlike "The other side", he doesn't have their love either (quite the opposite)! At the moment, he has "the muscle" on his side... But if he can't secure them a victory/lots of money anymore, that muscle might be the very first person to turn his cloak! Surely that has to be a plan too, because obviously they would know Yokoya's onto that! I think this may be a hint... Sending the good, honest one (and not the mastermind schemer); Do they have a message to spread, that they need to know the other country will take for the truth? Yeah... Nah; They did not send Nao just to "not say anything relevant"! Akiyama could've done that (plus he could think on the spot in case something comes up). So if they sent Nao, it WAS to say something specific, and given Baldy said that's not the case... I think it's safe that Baldy's lying, and is still with them! (Maybe he INTENDED to stay with the Country of Night, but Nao changed his mind) He thinks they're going to try & recruit someone, so he's gonna do everything from this point on... I kinda had a thought about how they could be recruiting HIM, to be honest; After all, he doesn't give a fuck about his group, he only cares about his personal benefit, right? So if they could make him an offer that would enrich him (at the expense of the others), AND given it would come from Nao he would know it's legit, he might just go for it... And hell, I thought maybe he even PLANNED for this, knowing that if he went everytime from this point on, they would have no other choice, it's either him, or give up... So he went to force them to offer him a sweet deal. This would all make sense, but... There's just one problem with this strategy: Nao would not stand for it. They already know Yokoya's a piece of shit, so no way Nao would go for a plan about enriching him while punishing all the other players (his 'victims'). So unless they found a way to make enough money so they can pay them all off AND have Yokoya on board, I just don't see it! Interesting! I thought the last round would be Akiyama vs Yokoya! I thought the score would be so close that it would be about the correct/incorrect guess of the final case (doubting or passing), one final battle of wits between Akiyama and Yokoka, a more personal one this time! But - unless there's a flashback in the next episode - that doesn't seem to be the case! It's well in theme that it ended with Nao vs Yokoya; It shows that Akiyama has people he can trust (at least one) to be part of his plan, while Yokoya's on his own, he has no friends/allies, only subjects(slaves), and of course, slaves can rebel at any opportunity. Which they should do, if he doesn't win the game for them! They have every reason to be mad at him. Can't wait to see how it goes!
彼は自分の「支配力」に相当な自信があるんだろうな。また送り込むなんて、しかも重要な任務で。あるいは、裏切られた場合に備えて何か仕掛けているか、もしくは最初から裏切りを想定して、それも計画の一部って可能性もある。変数が多すぎるゲームだからな、何が起こるか分からない。馬鹿どもに哀悼を!(それに、少し前なら奈緒もその3人の中に入ってたはず。彼女も成長したもんだ!)横谷の立場だったらどう動くか考えてたんだけど、彼の説明中ずっと先読みしてたわ。捕まった裏切り(ブラフ)と二重裏切り、さらにその先まで想定した計画が必要だ。最初は昼の国が秋山の戦略を無意識にパクってたけど、今度は逆だな。これで横谷のグループ内で疑念が生まれるかもしれない。「結局、秋山が何ラウンドも前にやってたことを真似するだけか?」ってな。さらに「秋山が考えた戦略なら、こっちが読むことも想定済みのはず」と恐れる可能性もある。横谷が四次元チェスをしてるなら別だが、これは手の内を晒したかもしれない。リスクあるプレイヤーを即送り込むのは、秋山の計画を助けてるように見える。もちろん、秋山が相手の戦略理解を疑わなければ「運が向いてきた!」と思うだろうが、彼が全てが偶然うまくいくと考えるわけがない。以前に疑ってなくても、今は怪しんでるはず。流れが良すぎる。だから、それが横谷の計画(新考察くん
BBryant3rd
Holy wall of text Batman lol.
これは長文の壁だな、バットマン(笑)普通くん
AdministrationOnly17
I’m just happy to see someone so invested!
ワイもその熱量好きやわwww ガチで応援したくなるンゴね2ちゃん
BosuW
In the end this is ideologically Yokoya vs Nao all along. Them having the final day all to themselves is a nice touch on its own, but I wonder if anything of note was spoken about or if they just stuck to their roles.
結局のところ、これは最初からイデオロギー的な意味での横谷vs直の戦いだったんだよな。最終日に二人だけで残る展開はそれ自体が味わい深い演出だと思うが、そこで何か重要な会話があったのか、それともただ役割を貫いただけなのか、気になるところだ。考察くん
Oden_sama__
原文
this arc is actually so gas this might be my favourite episode yet being entirely from yokoya's team's perspective, you can see just what a mastermind yokoya is. he could basically guess and counteract most of akiyama's plans, he's really no joke. It's not like Akiyama would just go down without a fight though Yokoya slowly fearing Akiyama and his unpredictability hits even harder because WE don't even know what Akiyama is up to. Why did he do this? Why didn't he do that? Its so thrilling. Plus the final day being purely Nao vs Yokoya was perfect, since the 'bond' for each team is based on those two's ideals about the game. The question is, whos ideals prove to be stronger? The nerve thay had to end the episode before we get an answer. . .
このアーク本当に最高だわ。まるごと横谷チーム視点なのが今までで一番好きな回かも。横谷がどれだけ策士かよく分かる。秋山の計画のほとんどを読んで対策してるし、本当に舐められない相手だよ。でも秋山だって簡単にやられる相手じゃないし、横谷が秋山の予測不能さに徐々に恐怖していくのが響く。なぜなら俺たちも秋山が何を考えてるか分からないから。なんでああした?なんでああしなかった?めちゃくちゃスリリングだ。最終日が純粋に直と横谷の一騎打ちになったのも完璧だね。両チームの「絆」がゲームに対する二人の理想に基づいてるから。問題はどっちの理想が強いかってこと。答えを出さずに終わらせるとは……度胸あるわ。普通くん
Western-Internal-751
I’m so confused in this game. I need an ELI5 to understand who is winning and losing and who leaves with money and who leaves without money…
ワイ混乱しすぎやろこのゲームwww ELI5頼むわ、誰が勝って誰が負けてるのか、誰が金持って帰れて誰が無一文か全然わからんンゴ…2ちゃん
lazerbreath_
原文
The way the game determines who the winner of the game is, which ever side has a larger 3rd country total balance, split into each of the player's personal accounts. This balance is increased/decreased through the inspections. Successfully smuggling money increases it Incorrectly calling doubt decreases it At the end of the 50 rounds the players on the winning team will get what is in their personal 3rd country account, after paying back the 400 million yen loan to the LGT organization. Any money that is left in the ATMs is divided among the members of the country that ATM is on as a bonus. Note: This money is not counted towards who wins but is given to the players as a bonus. The original strategy was to keep the 3rd country's balance below the opposing teams balance so that they'd "lose" the game, while getting the ATM's balance as high as possible so that they can get the biggest bonus prize amount. Akiyama's bluff about them not depositing the money into the ATM follows the logic that since the Night players withdrew the money, in the eyes of the LGT, they are responsible for returning the 400 million (for each player) at the end of the game, even though they physically don't have the money. Yokoya senses something is up and got Baldy (Hasegawa) to follow Akiyama's orders but physically bring the money into the country of Night, then took over inspecting and smuggling for the remaining rounds so no one can be influenced. ETA: Right now in terms of money, the Night Country is very much winning as they have the physical money as well as the larger 3rd country account. ETA 2: I also just want to add, that if you win, you must go to the next stage. If you want to drop out, you have to pay the drop out fee, which is half of what you win after returning the loan. Essentially: [(3rd country amount won - 400 million yen) ÷ 2] + what you owe from previous rounds = drop out fee. If you lose, you don't have to pay that drop out fee because you're out of the game. I might've missed something so someone please let me know.
このゲームの勝敗の決め方だけど、勝敗は第3国の総残高が多い方が勝ちで、それが各プレイヤーの個人アカウントに分けられる感じ。この残高は検査で増減する。密輸に成功すると増えて、誤って疑うと減る。50ラウンド終了時に、勝ったチームのプレイヤーは自分の第3国アカウントの中身を受け取れるけど、LGT組織に400万円の借金を返済した後ね。ATMに残ったお金は、そのATMがある国のメンバーにボーナスとして分配される。注意点として、このお金は勝敗には関係なく、あくまでボーナスとしてプレイヤーに与えられる。 元々の戦略は、第3国の残高を相手チームより低く抑えて「負け」にする一方、ATMの残高をできるだけ高くしてボーナスを最大化するってことだった。秋山のブラフ(ATMにお金を入れない)は、ナイトのプレイヤーがお金を引き出した時点で、LGTの目から見れば彼らが400万円(各プレイヤー分)を返済する責任があるって論理に基づいてる。実際にはお金を持ってないけどね。 横屋は何かおかしいと感じて、ハゲ(長谷川)に秋山の指示に従わせつつ物理的にお金をナイトの国に運ばせた。その後、残りのラウンドの検査と密輸を自分が引き継いで、誰にも影響されないようにした。 追記:今の時点で、ナイト国は物理的なお金も第3国アカウントの普通くん
BubblyCrash
原文
That's the thing, both sides don't have certain knowledge on who's currently leaving with more money. That stuff will be unveiled in the next episode. But in essence, there are only 2 ways to make money in this game: smuggling to the outside account (the official win condition), and the ATM payout at the end, which is the bigger way to profit. Yokoya's team is winning in the outside account balances (at the end of day 2), but which team will profit more depends on where ATM money is. We see a lot of the ATM money (around half) on Yokoya's side this episode, so it looks like he's winning, but we don't know where exactly the other money is at. Yokoya believes it belongs to Akiyama's team (they just hid it), so that would mean the money score would be tied, so to increase the profit they are focusing on making money by increasing the outside account balance. This game can be confusing and has a lot of details (people would go through it a second time to appreciate it more fully). If anyone has any questions I can try to explain.
せやな、両陣営とも今どっちが金持ちかは確実には分かってへんねん。それは次回明かされるやろ。要はこのゲームで金稼ぐ方法は2つしかないんや:外部口座への密輸(公式勝利条件)と、最後のATM払い出し(こっちがでかい)。横谷チームは2日目終了時点で外部口座残高勝ってるけど、どっちが得するかはATMの場所次第や。今回ATM金の半分くらいが横谷側にあるの見えたから勝ってる風やけど、残りがどこにあるかは不明や。横谷は秋山チームが隠したと思ってるから、スコアはタイやと見て外部口座増やしに集中してる感じやな。このゲーム細かすぎて2周目でやっと分かるわ。質問あればワイが説明するで。2ちゃん
ozmega
main reason im not really enjoying this arc
このアークがあまり楽しめてない主な理由はそれだな普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Wished they ended the cliffhanger with the results
崖っぷちで結果出さずに終わらせたの無理すぎるッ!続きが気になって仕方ない!感情くん
Kure_Brex
I have a feeling that Yokoya has recognized something that essentially guarantees his teams loss and has decided to jump ship to minimize his losses, that's to say, I think Akiyama wins this.
横矢、なんか自分チーム負けるって確信しちゃったんじゃね?で、損失最小限にするためにさっさと船降りたって感じじゃん?つまりアキヤマが勝つってことじゃね?まじでそう思うわ!ギャル
IceSmiley
原文
I'm surprised they just quickly went thru the last of the games so quickly and we didn't get to see the interaction between Yokoya and Nao and I have no idea if the manga was the same or they just glossed over it to fit the episodes. Also the whole episode was Yokoya based and we barely saw Akiyama and Nao and what they were thinking. I wonder if this will be the last game of the season since they by far spent the most time with this one but 19-20 episodes seems to be a odd number to end a show on. That'd be interesting if Yokoya himself betrayed the team of Night. I wouldn't put it past him at all because he's so devious AND controls every card. He could really clean up for himself if he just made a deal of sorts with Nao since before they were only winning by a slim margin. Also no one from his team is questioning him, they're just sending him in assuming he's acting in their interest. The one thing standing in the way of that is his ego, like that would be admitting Akiyama was better than him and even a lot of money might not make him do that.
最後の方のゲームをあっさり駆け足で進めて、横屋と奈緒の絡みが見られなかったのは驚きだな。原作もそうだったのか、それとも話数に合わせて端折ったのかは分からないけど。あと、今回のエピソードは完全に横屋中心で、秋山と奈緒の考えてることがほとんど描かれなかったのも気になった。 これが今シーズンの最終ゲームになるのかな?だって今までで一番尺を使ってるし。でも19〜20話って終わるには中途半端な数だよな。 もし横屋が自ら夜チームを裏切ったら面白いんだけどな。あいつは狡猾だし、全カードを掌握してるから、奈緒と取引すれば自分だけ大きく稼げる可能性がある。前回も僅差で勝ってただけだし。それにチームの誰も彼を疑わず、ただ彼が自分たちの利益のために動いてると思い込んで送り出してるだけだし。 それを阻んでるのは彼のプライドだけだな。秋山に負けたって認めることになるから、大金でも動かないかもしれない。普通くん
Frontier246
原文
Yokoya's seemingly seen through every move Akiyama could possibly make, whether they actually kept the 1.79 million in reserve or not, it all comes down to a counter-plan that makes the Country of Day think the plan is going smoothly and faking giving money to THEM. First sign that something is off is that Akiyama doesn't give Akagi the signal like they planned...and he seems to use his turn inspecting Akagi to feel out Yokoya and how he operates. Although honestly I still feel bad for Akagi that he was trying his best but has to get punched and treated like a traitor with no promise of salvation from either side. Did Akiyama really fall for Hasegawa? Is everything really going exactly as Yokoya planned? Although at least they think the 1.79 million still being in play is real, when it isn't, but will that make much of a difference when they're neck-and-neck? Yet the plan seems to be going TOO well and the Country of Day don't look worried in the slightest. Yokoya can't beat this feeling that Akiyama has another plan or SOMETHING is off...so the last rounds of the game become him taking over everything and pitting him against Nao, even if it's just more of the same. The final rounds of the Contraband Game end in a montage. Of COURSE they leave off on a cliffhanger for the final tally...though I think that's more for the shock of the Country of Night to come next episode.
横谷は秋山の動きを全て見透かしているように見える。実際に179万を確保していようがいまいが、結局は「昼の国」に計画が順調に進んでいると錯覚させ、彼らに金を渡すふりをするための対抗策に帰着する。最初に違和感を感じるのは、秋山が計画通り赤木に合図を送らないこと…そして彼が自分の番で赤木を調べることで横谷の性格と手口を探っているように見えることだ。正直、赤木には同情するよ。彼は最善を尽くしているのに、殴られて裏切り者扱いされ、どちらの側からも救済の約束がないんだから。秋山は本当に長谷川に騙されたのか?全てが本当に横谷の計画通りに進んでいるのか?少なくとも彼らは179万がまだ有効だと思っているが、実際は違う。でも接戦の中でそれは大きな差になるのか?それにしても計画がうまく進みすぎていて、「昼の国」は全く心配していないように見える。横谷は秋山が別の計画を立てているか、何かがおかしいという感覚を拭えない…だから最終ラウンドでは彼が全てを掌握し、直と対決させることになる。たとえそれが同じことの繰り返しに過ぎなくても。禁制品ゲームの最終ラウンドはモンタージュで終わり、もちろん最終集計でクリフハンガーになる…まあ、それは次回の「夜の国」の衝撃のためのものだと思うけど。考察くん
Sohaiba19
原文
>Did Akiyama really fall for Hasegawa? Is everything really going exactly as Yokoya planned? I think that Hasegawa is still on the side of country of the day. If he withdrew the cash from the ATM, he could have known that the ATM of night side still had more money left in it (I don't remember if they can check that but he could verify it by withdrawing more money). He didn't give yokoya any valuable information as well. It might even be possible that the beard guy confessing was also a plan of Akiyama to make Yokoya trust Hasegawa.
秋山は本当に長谷川に引っかかったのか?すべてが横矢の計画通りに進んでるように見えるけど、俺はまだ長谷川が昼の国側にいると思う。ATMから現金を引き出したなら、夜側のATMにまだ残金が多いことを知ってた可能性もある(確認できるかは覚えてないけど、もっと引き出せば検証できたはず)。横矢に有益な情報も渡してないし。もしかしたら、ひげの男が自白したのも、横矢に長谷川を信頼させるための秋山の計画かもしれないな。普通くん
Revolutionary-Start
Hasegawa can't check by withdrawing more money as dayside would put only 1.9 mil in the account of the dayside card hasegawa is holding. Hasegawa can only access that dayside card he has with him. He can't check money in other accounts.
長谷川が金おろして確認すんのは無理やろ。デイサイド側は長谷川が持ってるカードの口座に190万しか入れてへんからな。長谷川が触れるのはそのカードだけやし、他の口座の残高なんて確認できへんわ。2ちゃん
Sohaiba19
He would have needed 3 cards in that case because the 1.9 billion was deposited in the cards of three guys. There is no limit on the withdrawal on the money and with country of day's card, he can withdraw as much as possible from the country of night ATM. Maybe I am misremembering the rules but I think the rules were like that
その場合、彼には3枚のカードが必要だったはずだ。なぜなら19億は3人の男のカードに振り込まれていたからな。引き出しに上限はなく、昼の国のカードを使えば、夜の国のATMからいくらでも引き出せる。ルールを誤って覚えているかもしれないが、確かそういう仕様だったという考察ができる。考察くん
Revolutionary-Start
原文
Nonono the plan is to have the traitors from night side to get amount A (total in night atm - the amount that akiyama is pretending to hide). Then later on akiyama will reveal that the amount he was pretending to hide wasn't actually hidden and the traitors will be forced to move the remaining money from night ATM. You can only check the amount in the account of the card which you're holding. The day team will only give the card which is holding amount A.
ちゃうねん、計画はこうやで。夜チームの裏切り者たちに「秋山が隠してるフリしてる額」=Aを渡すんや(現在の夜の総額から秋山が隠してるフリしてる分を引いた額な)。その後、秋山が「隠してたフリの額は実際には隠してなかった」ってバラす。そしたら裏切り者たちは残りの金を夜のATMから動かさざるを得なくなるんや。自分の持ってるカードの口座残高しか確認できへんからな。昼チームはAが入ってるカードだけ渡すってわけや。2ちゃん
FastenedCarrot
Wasn't expecting to reach the end of the game today, I should have expected the damn cliffhanger once we did though
今日でゲームの終わりまで到達するとは思わなかったよ。でも、終わった瞬間にクソみたいなクリフハンガーが来ることは予想できたはずだったんだよな。普通くん
duo99dusk
Nao broke Yokoya in the last rounds by being honest 😱
最後のラウンドで奈緒が正直さで横谷を完全にぶっ壊したんだが!?😱 無理すぎる!感情くん
BBryant3rd
What a cliffhanger lol. I think that whole card thing the traitor came back and told them about actually happened. I don't believe it was mentioned for no reason especially since he didn't even argue against it. Guess we have a week wait to see.
いやー、いいところで終わったな笑。裏切り者が戻ってきて話したカードの件、実際に起きたことだと思うよ。特に彼が反論すらしなかったから、伏線なしで出てきたわけないし。次回まで一週間待ちか。普通くん
l-o-a-p
The Liar Game official having to fix that speaker also seemed like it wasn’t mentioned for no reason.
あのスピーカーを公式が直す描写、絶対伏線だろ!触れといて回収しないわけないじゃんッ!しんどいわ〜感情くん
BBryant3rd
I kinda think he is helping some how it did seam odd and a convenient thing.
なんか彼が何かしら手助けしてる気がするんだよね。偶然にしては出来すぎてて、ちょっと不自然だったし。普通くん
l-o-a-p
I don’t think he’s helping per se. Maybe him having to fix the speaker just indicates something happened to/with it that will play into the plan, like Akiyama using it to relay remote last minute instructions/information to someone or something
彼が単純に助けてるってわけじゃないと思うんだよな。むしろ、スピーカーを直す必要があるってことは、何かがそれに起きたか、あるいは計画に関わる何かの伏線になってる可能性が高い。例えば、秋山が遠隔操作で最後の瞬間に誰かへ指示や情報を中継するために使う、みたいな展開が考えられる。考察くん
magnumcyclonex
原文
I liked this episode and also disliked it. First, I appreciate having almost the full episode dedicated to the Country of Night team. I wish we had at least 1 or 2 episodes showing more of their inner workings and dialogue during the earlier rounds of this game. I liked all the possibilities Yokoya was considering, and the counter measures he installed to try to mitigate what Akiyama was doing. But...once the explanation was done, the episode fast forwarded the game like there's no tomorrow. Yeah, we got to see this game over several episodes already, but as I mentioned earlier, if we got to see more of the Country of Night earlier, we'd see a lot of POV from both Day and Night teams trying to one up each other. Seems like Yokoya wants full control over the remaining rounds, and the Day team selected Nao for similar reasons. Now...I want to ask, was there any possible relevance to the broken speaker? There has to be right? No way they'd have one of the masked organizers leave and come back just to show us their conversation of "while you were away, this is the new development in the game". Of course no manga readers should answer this for me. But I think there's got to be some relevance for this scene in this episode. To end on a cliffhanger. Ugh. I don't need to see a plane fly off...
今回のエピソードは好きでもあり嫌いでもあるンゴ。まず、夜チームにほぼ全話割いたのは評価するわ。でも最初のラウンドでもっと内情とか会話を見せて欲しかったンゴね。横谷が考えてた可能性とか、秋山対策のカウンターとかは全部良かったんやけど……説明が終わったらゲームが超特急で進んで草。確かにこのゲームは数話に渡って見せてきたけど、最初に夜チームをもっと見せてたら、昼と夜の両視点でやり合うのがもっと分かったやろな。横谷は残りラウンドを完全支配したいみたいやし、昼チームも同じ理由でなおを選んだんやろな。で、気になるのが壊れたスピーカーやねん。何か意味あるやろ?絶対あるやろ。仮面の主催者がわざわざ離席して戻ってきて「留守中にこんな展開あった」って会話を見せるだけってのは無いやろ。漫画読んでる人は答えないでくれ。でもこのシーン絶対何かあると思うねん。最後にクリフハンガーで終わらせてくるんか……はぁ、飛行機が飛び立つシーンなんて見たくないわ。2ちゃん
BubblyCrash
Yeah Day 3 was fast forwarded (since all the game-deciding plans were executed on day 2), but we may get to see more of what happened on day 3 when everything is revealed. Usually the plot will speed through certain parts or hide certain perspectives to set up a better reveal/twist.
3日目は早送りされたけど(ゲームの決着がつく計画は全部2日目に実行されたからね)、全部明かされる時に3日目の出来事をもっと見られるかもしれないよ。通常、物語は特定の部分を早送りしたり、特定の視点を隠したりして、より良い暴露やどんでん返しを仕掛けるんだよね。普通くん
magnumcyclonex
That figures. Someone else earlier in the comments said they might have a million flashbacks, which I'm prepared to watch (and get lost in all the explanations haha).
やばくね!?さっきコメントで他の人も言ってたんだけど、フラッシュバックめっちゃありそうじゃん?私はそれ見る準備バッチリなんだけど、説明多すぎて迷子になりそう笑ギャル
Liesianthes
Yokoya is focusing mostly on Akiyama and already forgot that Nao is the one who's the threat. Excited to see how this will turn out by next week. I doubt anyone will win this on a wide margin, the question is which team and how did they do that?
横谷はほとんど秋山に集中してて、直が脅威だってことを忘れてる感じだな。来週どうなるか楽しみ。誰が大差で勝つとは思えないけど、どのチームがどうやって勝つのかが気になるね。普通くん
bananeeek
I have a feeling that the game really ended before the 3rd day, but we don't realize it yet. I'm also super suspicious about the "faulty speaker" event. The cliffhangers are absurd in this show.
ゲームは実は3日目より前に終わってた気がする…まだ気づいてないだけかも。それに「故障したスピーカー」の件もめちゃくちゃ怪しいんだよな。この作品の引き、マジで異常すぎるッ!続きが気になりすぎて無理!感情くん
Liesianthes
Yokoya is focusing mostly on Akiyama and already forgot that Nao is the one who's the threat. Excited to see how this will turn out by next week. I doubt anyone will win this on a wide margin, the question is which team and how did they do that?
横矢は主に秋山に意識を向けていて、脅威となるのが直だと忘れている点が興味深い。来週の展開が楽しみだ。このゲーム、大差で勝つチームは出ないだろうな。問題はどのチームが、どういう戦略で勝利を掴むかだ。そこが考察のしどころだな。考察くん
shimmering-nomad
They really left us hanging! Can't wait for the next episode But man both endings to this show have had such a good nostalgic feel to them.
まじで続き気になりすぎるじゃん!!次回待ちきれないんだけど!! てかこのアニメのエンディング、どっちもめっちゃノスタルジックでやばくない!?泣けるわ〜ギャル
saga999
This game is so above my level I'm just enjoying the ride. But if I had to guess, instead of double crossing Akiyama, bald guy triple cross Yokoya. How? I don't know. Too high above my level, I'm just meta guessing.
このゲームは俺の理解を超えすぎてて、ただ楽しむしかないわ。でもあえて推測するなら、秋山を二重に裏切るんじゃなくて、ハゲの男が横屋を三重に裏切る展開なんじゃないかな。どうやって?それは分からん。俺のレベルじゃ到底届かないから、メタ的な推測でしかないけどな。考察くん
BlindmanSokolov
You know as soon as we start seeing things from the enemy team perspective, they're hiding something from us and putting us in the perspective of the bad guys so we can be just as shocked when they are. Yet I still caught myself anticipating the grand reveal.
敵チームの視点が見え始めた時点で、何か隠してるし、俺たちを悪者側の立場に置いてるんだよな。だから彼らが真実を知った時の衝撃も同じように味わえるってわけ。それでも、俺はまだ大どんでん返しを待ちわびてた自分がいたわ。普通くん
Countless-Alts15
Cliffhanger game
待たせすぎィ!続きが気になって夜も眠れないんだけど!?この終わり方ズルすぎるッ!感情くん
duo99dusk
So basically there was no money exchange during the last day's rounds?
つまり、最終日のラウンドではお金のやり取りが一切なかったってこと?普通くん
BubblyCrash
there was, we just haven't seen it yet.
あったよ、まだ見てないだけじゃん!ギャル
AlkaidX139
We can all agree that Yokoya is gonna lose because he takes his eyes off his teammates, busy doing all the smuggling and questioning right?
横矢が負けるのは確定でしょ。だって仲間から目を離して、密輸と尋問に必死すぎるんだもん。無理すぎる!感情くん
darthvall
I think I might have missed this part of the game. Did they always announce the ATM number by the end of the day? I am just curious how Akiyama's team didn't realise the two guys smuggled a lot of money by the end of the first day if that's the case? Wouldn't Yokoya's team balance became reduced by a lot when they did this?
このゲームのこの部分、見逃してたかも。ATM番号って1日の終わりに必ず発表される仕組みだったっけ?もしそうなら、秋山チームは初日から2人が大量の金を運び込んだことに気づかなかったのかな?横屋チームがやった時、残高が大幅に減っておかしくない?普通くん
pus_moh
On both days they just announced the 3rd country ATM balance (since that is what determines the winner). This is knowledge everyone already had, as long as they kept track of the outcome of all the inspection rounds. They never said anything about the Day and Night ATMs.
両日とも、勝敗を決めるのは第3国のATM残高しか発表されてなかったんだよな。これは各検査ラウンドの結果を追っていれば誰でも分かる情報だった。昼と夜のATMについては一切言及されてなかったという考察ができる。考察くん
Kyuzo897
They show the third country ATM (which is the indicator to know who is losing and winning) not the money in the country of day ATM and country of night ATM if you want to know that or deposit money you need a card from the opposite country.
第三国のATM(誰が勝ってるか負けてるか判断する指標)を見せてるんだよ。昼の国と夜の国のATMのお金を知りたいなら、逆の国のカードが必要になるんだ。普通くん
Tradition_Leather
It's expected to end in a cliff hanger here. Ig the night team guys told Yokoya what Akiyama told them to tell Yokoya, especially the good performance of the first guy
ここでクリフハンガーで終わるのは想定内やろ。夜チームの連中が、秋山が横谷に伝えろって言ったことをそのまま伝えたってわけやな、特に最初の男の好プレイはな。2ちゃん
Xatu44
And of course they end the episode there. Time to wait patiently for whatever big brain plan Akiyama used to save the day.
そして案の定、そこでエピソード終了か。秋山がどんな天才的な策でピンチを乗り切るのか、じっくり待つしかないね。普通くん
Andreiyutzzzz
What....? I guess most of next episode will be spent explaining day 3 that we just rushed through in 2 minutes huh?
は?www 次の話の大半が今2分で駆け抜けた3日目の説明に使われるんか…草2ちゃん
illonamoon
Now why'd they fast forward the final day? I wanted to see locked in nao. I really liked having this episode from the opponents view.
なんで最終日を早送りしたんだ?本気のナオが見たかったよ。今回は敵側の視点で描かれててすごく良かったと思う。普通くん
pezzaperry
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is when Leronira claims the Country of Day's chances have gone up in smokes. Isn't he omniscient in this situation? He should know that Yokoya is under false assumptions.
ワイ的にはLeroniraが「Day国の勝率は煙と消えた」って言うのが意味わからんねん。この状況なら全能やろ?Yokoyaが勘違いしてるの知ってるはずやん。矛盾してへん?2ちゃん
Kawaiiwaffledesu
Remember he left the room
覚えてるじゃん、あいつ部屋出てったやつ!やばくね!?ギャル
BubblyCrash
I'm not sure if Leronira said that or Nearco. Nearco stopped watching for a bit to deal with a situation, so he wasn't omniscient.
レロニラが言ったのか、ネアーコが言ったのかは確かじゃないな。ネアーコは状況に対処するために少し視聴を中断してたから、全知ではなかったんだよね。普通くん
pezzaperry
Yeah but he should know that the money wasn't hidden and instead was deposited which is what yokoyas strategy is relying on
それな!でも横谷の戦略的に、金が隠されてないで預金されてるって本人は気づくべきだろ!そこが肝心なのに!感情くん
Kawaiiwaffledesu
Oh actually I see what you’re saying. So yokoya is assuming the wrong thing but that means the money WAS deposited into the night so yokoya’s team would end up with more profit. Leronira’s claim technically makes even more sense here for the wrong reasons
あーなるほど、わかったわ。つまり横谷は勘違いしてるけど、実際には金は夜に振り込まれてたってことやから、横谷側の利益が増えるってわけやな。レロニラの主張は間違った理由やけど、むしろこっちの方が筋が通っとるわ。2ちゃん
MMinjin
Sometimes I kind of wish general narrative structure wasn't predictable. I think we all know the "good guys" are going to win somehow. But imagine how floored we would be if next episode they instead lost, left the show, and focus shifted to mouse boy and his people?
時々、物語の展開が予測可能じゃなければいいのにって思うことがあるよ。みんな「良い人たち」がどうにか勝つって分かってるじゃん。でも、もし次のエピソードで彼らが負けて番組を去って、代わりにマウスボーイとその仲間たちに焦点が移ったら、どれだけ衝撃を受けるか想像してみてよ?普通くん
T3tr4d5
原文
With shows like this, the focus is usually on howdunnit rather than whodunnit. The focus is usually on the process (tactics). And even then, Liar Game actually did something unique where sometimes 'losing' means 'winning'. If you want to watch Liar Game but with unpredictable results, then I suggest watching reality competition shows inspired from Liar Game, namely 'The Genius', 'Devil's Plan', 'Bloody Game', or 'Four Wish'.
こういう系の番組って、基本的に「誰がやったか」より「どうやったか」に焦点当たるやろ。つまり過程(戦術)重視やねん。しかもLIAR GAMEはそこで独自路線やってて、「負けることが勝ち」になる場面もあるんやで。もしLIAR GAME見たいけど結果読めないのがええって奴なら、LIAR GAMEに影響受けたリアリティ番組、具体的には『The Genius』『デビルズプラン』『ブラッディゲーム』『フォーウィッシュ』あたり観るのオススメやわ。2ちゃん
BubblyCrash
that would be surprising, but I'm not sure if it would be satisfying
それは驚きだけど、満足できるかは微妙だな。普通くん
l-o-a-p
That kind of short-term surprise isn’t really worth compromising the grand narrative.
いやまじで、短期の驚きのために壮大なストーリーを犠牲にするのはやばくない?笑ギャル
BaytaCosmico
I didn't understand Akiyama's plan (as detailed by Yokoya). Why give access to one of Day's cards to a Night turncoat instead of just withdrawing the money and hiding that in their ATM room like Night folks did? And where did bald guy get the trolley from for moving all that cash? Was it just lying around ready for whoever needed it?
秋山の計画(横屋が解説してたやつ)がイマイチ理解できなかったんだよな。なんで夜側の寝返り組にDayのカードの1枚を渡すんだ?夜側がATM室に現金を隠したみたいに、単純に引き出して隠せば良かったんじゃないか?あと、ハゲのあいつ、あの札束を運ぶトロリーをどこから調達したんだ?誰かが使うために置いてあったってことか?考察くん
Symphonise
原文
The cart always existed, just not shown on camera. We don't know how many carts there are though or where they got the carts from but this episode showed multiple cart uses from different people. The initial use of the cart was Kitamura (Day's glasses guy) who moved the 1.01 billion into his account, shown by this episode. From Yokoya's explanation, withdrawing alone from an ATM doesn't change the balance so until the money is deposited, the Night Bank ATM (in Day Country) is still at 1.91 billion. The Day Card is necessary so that the Night smuggler (traitor) can deposit the money into the Day Bank ATM because a Night card cannot make deposits at a Day ATM.
カート自体は最初から存在してたんやで、ただカメラに映ってなかっただけや 台数や入手経路は不明やけど、今回の話で複数人がカート使ってるのが判明したわ カートの初使用はキタムラ(デイ側のメガネ男)で、10億1千万を自分の口座に移したんや ヨコヤの説明からすると、ATMから引き出すだけじゃ残高は変わらんから、入金されるまではナイト銀行のATM(デイカントリー内)は19億1千万のままや デイカードが必要な理由は、ナイト側の密輸人(裏切り者)がデイ銀行のATMに入金するためやな。ナイトカードじゃデイのATMに入金できへんからや2ちゃん
BaytaCosmico
原文
The cart always being there suggests that it's okay to move more money than 100 mil. That's interesting. If it wasn't something the players should do, the easiest way to prevent it would've been for the game organisers to not provide any means for moving large sums of money. Day card cannot be used at the Day ATM is what I thought. Day folks can use their card to withdraw/deposit money at the Night ATM, and vice versa. Earlier, Yokoya had withdrawn money from Night team's accounts in Day Country and cooerced those 3 idiots to deposit them into their account in Night Country. This money if not moved out (to the third country) will eventually be split evenly among Night team members. Akiyama could've done exactly the same. What confuses me is why he needs to give their card to one of the traitors to do the withdrawal themselves.
カートが常に存在しているということは、1億円を超える金額を動かすことが許可されているという暗示だな。興味深い考察だ。もしプレイヤーがそうすべきでないなら、主催者が大量の資金移動手段を用意しないのが最も簡単な防止策だったはずだ。デイカードがデイATMで使えないというのは私の考えだったが、実際はデイの人々もナイトATMでカードを使って入出金でき、その逆も然りだ。以前、横矢がデイカントリーでナイトチームの口座から金を引き出し、あの3人のバカどもに強制してナイトカントリーの自分たちの口座に預金させた。この金が(第三国に)移動されなければ、最終的にナイトチームのメンバーに均等分配される。秋山もまったく同じことができたはずだ。私が混乱するのは、なぜ彼が自分たちのカードを裏切り者の一人に渡して、自分たちで引き出させる必要があるのか、という点だ。考察くん
Symphonise
原文
The moving of money could be done with the suitcase instead, it's just less efficient. So the cart itself really doesn't offer much other than efficiency. At the end of it, whether intentional or not, it's within the boundaries of the game to move money without passing inspection (after all, this is what "contraband" is). Unlike Yokoya's plan with the 3 idiots, Akiyama is stuck in a scenario where he needs to bluff about hiding the money and also need to transport the money. He can't set the physical cash out because he doesn't know who would appear as smuggler in a round (which if the wrong person shows up, signals that there is a traitor) and there are very little places where the cart can be hidden. So until the traitor comes along as the smuggler, he has to keep it hidden. The card offers both an easy way to hide the money and use the card to deposit the money.
お金の移動はスーツケースでもできるけど、効率が悪いだけだな。つまり台車自体は効率以外に大した利点がないってこと。結局、意図的かどうかは別として、検査を通らずにお金を運ぶのはゲームのルール内なんだよ(それが「密輸品」ってものだからね)。ヨコヤの3バカを使った計画と違って、秋山はお金を隠してるふりをしながら運ぶ必要があるシチュエーションに追い込まれてるんだ。物理的に現金を置いておくわけにはいかない。なぜなら各ラウンドで誰が運び屋として現れるか分からないから(間違った人が来たら内通者がいるってバレる)、しかも台車を隠せる場所もほとんどない。だから内通者が運び屋として来るまで、隠し続けるしかない。カードはお金を簡単に隠す方法と、カードで入金する方法の両方を提供してるんだよ。普通くん
BaytaCosmico
原文
He can't set the physical cash out because he doesn't know who would appear as smuggler in a round (which if the wrong person shows up, signals that there is a traitor) and there are very little places where the cart can be hidden Yeah, this makes sense. Since the other team is familiar with the plan (even if they don't suspect Day Country, they know it's a possibility) it's risky to leave money out when a non friendly might find it.
ワイが思うに、現金を置いとくのは無理やろ。誰が運び屋として現れるか分からんし、間違った奴が来たら裏切り者がいるってバレるやん。隠せる場所も少ないしな。せやな、相手チームは計画知ってるから、非友好が金見つけたらアウトやし、リスク高すぎるわ。2ちゃん
ussgordoncaptain2
原文
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Niwaka_Samurai
It was nice to see how Yokoya plays his mind games and with how things ended in this episode it would be nothing short of a miracle if Akiyama really managed to beat Yokoya. I can only hope that Hasegawa fooled Yokoya and actually managed to put the money in the country of Day's ATM when no one was looking. Also the mention of the speaker malfunctioning.. I guess Akiyama did something.
横谷の駆け引き上手すぎて草生えるわ。今回の展開見る限り、秋山が横谷に勝つのは奇跡レベルやろ。ハセガワが横谷を騙して、誰も見てない隙にデイの国のATMに金入れてたらいいンゴねぇ…。スピーカーの故障の件も、秋山が何か仕掛けたんやろな。ワクワクが止まらんわ。2ちゃん
pezzaperry
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is when Leronira claims the Country of Day's chances have gone up in smokes. Isn't he omniscient in this situation? He should know that Yokoya is under false assumptions.
一つ納得いかないのは、レロニラが「昼の国の勝率はもう消え去った」って言った場面だな。この状況で彼は全知なんだろ?横矢が誤った前提に立ってるって、彼なら分かってるはずだと思うんだけど。普通くん
Revolutionary-Start
Probably because we aren't being shown everything?
全部見せてくれてないだけやろ多分2ちゃん
Ploluap
So about Yokoya's plan, when Hasegawa was in possession of opponent's card, wasn't the best solution simply to tell him to keep the card and give it to him ? then he just do all the smuggling and inspecting and i don't see how he could lose
横矢の計画についてだけど、長谷川が相手のカードを持ってた時点で、単純に「そのカードを保持して俺に渡せ」って言うのが最善じゃなかった?そしたら横矢が密輸や検査を全部やればいいだけで、負ける要素が見当たらないんだけど。普通くん
BubblyCrash
I don't think there was any money left in that card's account after Hasegawa withdrew it from the Day ATM (located in the night country) and hid it in the night's base. There's no point of depositing money back in there since it's already in Yokoya's possession. Not sure what happened to that card though, probably in Yokoya's care.
ハセガワが夜の国にあるDay ATMから引き出して夜の基地に隠した時点で、そのカードの口座には金残ってないやろ。横谷の手に渡ってる以上、そこに金を戻す意味なんてないしな。カード自体はどうなったか知らんけど、多分横谷が持ってるンゴ。2ちゃん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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summerphobic
I found Yokoya forgetting about the recorders more jarring than the cliffhanger.
クロヤが録音機のことを忘れてたのは、あのクリフハンガーよりも違和感ありすぎたわッ!感情くん
T3tr4d5
Maybe because Yokoya also realized the recorder itself is not really trustworthy. For example, the traitor can just reveal to Akiyama that Yokoya asked them to record the conversation, and Akiyama can just give fake dialog. As we have seen, Yokoya did not really trust anybody and very cautious.
横矢も、録音機自体が信頼できないって気づいてたんじゃないかな。例えば、裏切り者が秋山に「横矢が会話を録音させた」ってバラして、秋山が偽の会話を流すこともできるし。実際、横矢は誰も信じてなかったし、すごく慎重だったからね。普通くん
Croecient_Madam
I feel that I'm part of a niche as I enjoy this anime and somehow that makes the experience of watching it more engaging
まじでこのアニメ好きなの自分だけかもって思うんだけど、それが逆に没入感ヤバくない!?笑 ニッチな感じがたまらんじゃん!ギャル