LIAR GAME

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2026.8.10 r/anime

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“密輸ゲーム”全50ゲームが幕を閉じた。ゲームの最終局面、昼の国と夜の国はどちらもATMにマネーを残していないため、均衡が続き、パスの応酬を続けるが、ヨコヤにはこの状況を打開するための秘策があり...。
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Toge_Inumaki012
It does prove that some of Yokoya's pawns are more competent than the country of day's. Like Bandana dude had the initiative to improvise and the 3 of them pulled it off
なるほど、これは面白き話よな。横矢の駒ども、日の国よりよほど有能でござるな。バンダナの男など、自ら機を見て臨機応変に立ち回り、三人揃って成し遂げて見せた。まさに神業、感服致したでござる!武士
kitaknows
Akagi the GOAT. Yokoya has an obscenely high opinion of himself and an obscenely low opinion of everyone else. He assumed all of his team were too incompetent to make a single independent move without Akiyama directing them, so between Akagi's improv and Shibayama's acting in the confession game, it was one of the things that came back to bite him.
赤木は最高だな。横谷は自分にめちゃくちゃ自信がある一方で、他人を見下しすぎてる。彼はチーム全員が秋山の指示なしでは一歩も動けないと決めつけてたから、赤木の即興と芝山の告白ゲームでの演技が、その慢心が裏目に出た一因だったんだよね。普通くん
duo99dusk
I bet if they were on the team they would lose Smart points though 💀
まあ、彼らがチームに入ってたらスマートポイントは失ってただろうな。💀ドライおじ
gamria
原文
Here's the play-by-play of Akiyama's true plan, for many who'll undoubtedly be confused. Hope this helps: 1. Round 23 (Ep 16): Akiyama/Akagi (Bandana) inspection. After getting convinced to defect, Akagi hands Akiyama his recorder 2. After returning to Dayside, Akiyama then spends some off time recording his message. It presumably includes Akiyama's bluff and convincing to the eventual Traitor #3, along with his instructions for smuggling from Night to Day ATM 3. Round 26 (Ep 16): Akiyama/Shibayama (Longbeard) inspection. After getting convinced to defect, Akiyama passes Akagi's recorder to Shibayama, who then passes it to Hasegawa (Baldy) and then winds up back to Akagi. After listening, all 3 are now convinced and prepared to do the smuggling when one of them gets to be smuggler 4. Middle of Ep 17: Yokoya got suspicious and holds the Confession Game between Akagi and Shibayama. On a spur, Shibayama decides to "confess" Akiyama's bluff to Yokoya (but not that they're ready to smuggle) and Akagi thought he betrayed him for real. 5a . Round 27 (Ep 17): when it's Night's turn to smuggle, Yokoya sends Hasegawa to verify if Akiyama will tell him the same thing as Shibayama's confession. However, Hasegawa intends to follow Akiyama's plan. Akiyama has broken speaker's magnet ready. (Current actual Outside/ATM balances: Day ~1.80B / 0B, Night ~1.62B / ~3.78B Balances per Akiyama's bluff: Day ~1.80B / 1.91B (hidden), Night ~1.62B / ~1.87B) 5b . Seeing Hasegawa going to smuggle, Akiyama proceeds to use all 9 Dayside cards to withdraw ~1.87B from the Night ATM (ie all contents except for the 1.91B in the 3 idiots' accounts). Hasegawa, still believing Akiyama's bluff that this was all that's left in the Night ATM, smuggles them into his account in the Day ATM. (Current actual Outside/ATM balances: Day ~1.80B / ~1.87B, Night ~1.62B / 1.91B) 5c . Upon confirmation, Akiyama confesses to Hasegawa that the 1.91B wasn't hidden, and seeks his help with smuggling that amount from Night to Day ATM. After using the magnet to damage Hasegawa Tajima's card (by rubbing it multiple times and mess up its internals), the game staff provides Hasegawa with a replacement card. (Nearco didn't realise this happened since he was called out of room about the broken speaker, as he attested next episode) EDIT: thanks to a reminder below, Yokoya always gives his underlings another player's card. Watching the Ep 19 again, the one Hasegawa got belongs to "Tajima Kakeru" (Eyebrows) 5d . Hasegawa keeps the old broken card, hands it back into Yokoya's keeping and answers that Shibayama's "confession" was true. Meanwhile, Akiyama uses the 3 idiots' cards to withdraw the 1.91B from the Night ATM and the new replacement card to deposit them into Hasegawa's Tajima's account in the Day ATM (Current actual Outside/ATM balances: Day ~1.80B / ~3.78B, Night ~1.62B / 0B Yokoya however still believes balances are at Akiyama's bluff per 5a) 6 . Round 28 (Ep 18): thinking Akiyama's plan hadn't been enacted yet, Yokoya proposes they pretend to accept Akiyama's plan, so they can intercept and hide the ~1.87B from the Night ATM. When he sends Akagi, Akagi holds the card he got over the window and pretends it's not working, and upon speaking with Akiyama, Akiyama prepares a new plan on Akagi's recorder. His recorder is then passed to Shibayama and Hasegawa, and Akagi lies to Yokoya about his conversation. 7 . Round 29 (Ep 18): Yokoya sends Hasegawa to hide the ~1.87B, Hasegawa holds the (damaged) card over the window and Akiyama plays along. Akiyama hands the replacement card back to him, then Hasegawa withdraws ~1.87B from Tajima's account in the Day ATM. Hasegawa pretends Yokoya's plan succeeded and brings the ~1.87B back with him to Nightside. But because this was not deposited again, it is still considered part of Day ATM contents. (Current actual Outside/ATM balances: Day ~1.75B / ~3.78B (with ~1.87B taken out), Night ~1.67B / 0B Balances per Akiyama's bluff: Day ~1.75B / 1.91B (hidden), Night ~1.67B / ~1.87B (hidden) ) EDIT: amended the Outside balances here, to account for Inspection Room shenanigans in-between 8 . Afterwards, when neither Akiyama nor Nao brought up the 1.91B, Yokoya is convinced of Akiyama's bluff that both ATM's are now physically empty, so focuses instead on earning more money via higher Outside balance. They would have to win and keep playing the Liar Game, but still. -- EDIT: additional plays below. By the way, forgive me if some of the decimal figures are wrong or rounded incorrectly, there's just too much micro-math 9 . After Round 34, Day 2 ended with the following amounts: * Actual Outside/ATM balances: Day ~1.65B / ~3.78B (with ~1.87B taken out), Night ~1.77B / 0B * Balances per Akiyama's bluff: Day ~1.65B / 1.91B (hidden), Night ~1.77B / ~1.87B (hidden) The next morning (Ep 19), Eyebrows panicked to Yokoya that if both sides kept calling Pass, the earnings they get (ie per Akiyama's bluff) won't be as profitable as Yokoya suggested. Right as Yokoya is about to start confusing Dayside 10 . Based on the numbers (Ep 19), Yokoya increased Nightside's Outside balance by ~600M / ~0.6B ~400M / ~0.4B came from taking some from their hidden pile, deposit them into Yokoya's account in the Day ATM, then smuggle them via the Inspection Room ~200M / ~0.2B came from the Inspector's (Nao's) confusion, either by Doubting on empty cases or Doubting a lower amount than its contents. (Though Dayside wants their Outside balance to remain lower than Nightside, they don't want the difference to be too wide, so they want to Doubt) Thus Day 3's final results ended with the following: * Actual Outside/ATM balances: Day ~1.48B / ~3.35B (with ~1.44B taken out), Night ~2.37B / 0B * Balances per Akiyama's bluff: Day ~1.48B / 1.91B (hidden), Night ~2.37B / ~1.44B (hidden)
秋山の真の計画を時系列で整理するとこうなる。混乱してる人も多いだろうから、助けになればと思う。 1. **23回戦(16話)**: 秋山/赤木(バンダナ)の検査。寝返りを装った赤木が秋山に録音機を渡す 2. **デイサイドに戻った後**: 秋山は録音機にメッセージを録音。ブラフと3人目の裏切り者への説得、ナイト→デイのATM密輸手順が含まれる 3. **26回戦(16話)**: 秋山/柴山(ヒゲ)の検査。秋山は赤木の録音機を柴山に渡し、長谷川(ハゲ)を経由して赤木に戻る。3人全員が密輸の準備完了 4. **17話中盤**: 横谷が疑い、赤木と柴山に自白ゲーム。柴山は秋山のブラフだけを自白(密輸準備は伏せた)。赤木は本当に裏切られたと思った 5. **27回戦(17話)**: ナイト側の密輸ターン。横谷は長谷川を送り込み検証。長谷川は秋山の計画に従う。秋山は壊したスピーカーの磁石を準備済み - 実際の残高: デイ 約18億/0円、ナイト 約16.2億/37.8億 - ブラフ上の残高: デイ 約18億/19.1億(隠し)、ナイト 約16.2億/18.7億 6.考察くん
K-tsura
There is something I don't understand if someone can help me (I probably didn't follow well enough): I think I remember someone saying that Yokoya never gave someone his own card but somebody else's instead, if so, how did Hasegawa replace his card and got a new one using the speaker?
わからないことがあるんだけど、誰か教えてくれる?(多分ちゃんと追えてなかったんだと思う):確か誰かが「横矢は自分のカードを渡さず、他人のカードを渡してた」って言ってた記憶があるんだけど、もしそうなら長谷川はどうやってスピーカーを使って自分のカードを交換して新しいのを手に入れたんだろう?普通くん
crunchsmash
I don't think it's said that it has to be your own card to be replaced. You just need a damaged card, and the staff will give you a working duplicate. The card Hasegawa is holding has another teammate's name on it. He just needs to return a card that looks undamaged to Yokoya.
ハセガワが持ってるカード、他のチームメイトの名前入りやで。要は傷ついたカードさえあれば、スタッフが使える複製と交換してくれるんやろ。横谷に返すのは無傷に見えるカードでええってことや。自分のカードである必要はないって明言されてないしな。2ちゃん
gamria
You're correct. Case in point, Akiyama used and broke Nao's card and was able to get it replaced in her stead.
その通りだね。具体例で言うと、秋山は直のカードを使ったり壊したりして、代わりに新しいのを手に入れてたじゃん。普通くん
gamria
原文
I think I remember someone saying that Yokoya never gave someone his own card but somebody else's instead Ah right, yes good point! In fact watching the episode again, the card that Hasegawa was using says "Tajima Kakeru" (AKA Eyebrows) and not "Hasegawa Hiroshi"! So Akiyama and Hasegawa were using Tajima's account to deposit all ~3.78 Billion, not Hasegawa's. if so, how did Hasegawa replace his card and got a new one using the speaker? u/crunchsmash below has the right answer
まあ確かに、横谷は自分のカードじゃなく他人のカードを渡してたって話はあったな。見返すと長谷川が使ってたカードは「田島翔」名義で、秋山と長谷川は長谷川の口座じゃなく田島の口座に約37.8億入れてたってことか。で、長谷川がスピーカーでどうやってカードを交換して新しく取得したのかって話だけど、下のcrunchsmashの指摘が正解だろうな。ドライおじ
Nexio8324
Very good breakdown of the plays involved. When I first read the manga, it took a few rereads to figure out what was going on, but this makes it very clear
いやこれマジで解説が神すぎるッ!俺も原作読んだ時、何回も読み返さないと理解できなかったんだけど、この説明で全部スッキリしたわ!優勝!感情くん
Jacob-C
You saved me a couple of replays and some extra thinking. Thank you for your effort and the easy-to-understand explanation!
おかげでリプレイ数回分と余計な考えを省けたよ。分かりやすい説明ありがとう!普通くん
AAAANNNNAN
Im so glad yokoya still doing asmr whispering
ヨコヤがまだASMRささやきやってくれてて嬉しすぎるッ!最高だわ!感情くん
FLorianGran
I fully believe the director heard it once, found it hilarious and the made sure he did it every episode
監督殿、一度聞いて笑いが止まらず、毎話必ずやらせたとしか思えぬ。何とも愉快な采配でござるな。武士
Hartzilla2007
Especially since this one just feels like Yokoya being sinister just for the sake of being sinister.
特に今回は、横谷がただ悪意のために悪意を振りまいてるだけって感じがするんだよね。普通くん
Frontier246
"You really are as stupid as they come... both of you. "
マジでお前らバカにも程があるわ...二人ともな。2ちゃん
HolyDragSwd2500
ASMR Breathing Sixth Form He does it at the end of the episode too
エピソードの終幕にも、彼はその呼吸を紡ぐのだ。まるで運命の歯車が静かに回り始めるかのように、我が耳はその微かな息遣いに魅了される。ASMRの真髄、それは第六形態にまで昇華された呼吸法……闇に響く神秘の調べよ。中二病
melindypants
Great way to end the episode lol
草生えるわ、最高の締め方やんwww2ちゃん
BosuW
They better release a full Yokoya manipulating Listener ASMR merch like they do for waifu anime lol
ヨコヤがリスナーを操るASMR音声グッズとか出してくれよ、俺らが推しアニメのグッズ買うみたいにさ(笑)感情くん
magnumcyclonex
Reminded me of Orochimaru from Naruto, or whatever Slytherin professor/students (maybe Voldemort?) from Harry Potter.
ナルトの大蛇丸とか、ハリポタのスリザリンの教授や生徒(ヴォルデモートだったっけ?)思い出したわ。普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Snake language 👌
蛇語草www2ちゃん
Coolkid-4869
Ironic since he is also Qifrey lmao
てか本人がQifreyなのにこれってまじウケるんだけど笑ギャル
abandoned_idol
The REAL strength of the Liar Game anime. ... The REAL strength of the Liar Game anime!!
LIAR GAMEアニメの本当の強みはここにある…LIAR GAMEアニメの本当の強みはここだよ!!普通くん
thisisdropd
原文
Here I thought Akiyama had somehow devised a counter-plan to those three being a double agent. Turned out they had never turned from the Night country. A master stroke to use Yokoya's surveillance device against him. I never expected it to be an integral part of his plan. Quite heartwarming to see what had swayed them away from Yokoya's dictatorship. They truly had a massive heart to willingly dive into debt to save others. Akiyama might seem cynical at first glance, but deep down he's much like Nao. The reason he went to prison in the first place was for scamming an unscrupulous corpo.
我が予想では、秋山は三人の二重スパイに対抗する策を講じていたと思っていた。だが、彼らは最初からナイト国に寝返ってなどいなかったのだ。横谷の監視装置を逆手に取るとは、まさに神業。それが計画の核心だったとは、我が目を疑った。横谷の独裁から彼らを揺り動かしたものに、心が温かくなった。自ら借金の深みに飛び込み、他者を救う——その心根はまさに大いなるものだ。秋山は一見冷笑的だが、その深層は奈緒と同質。彼が最初に獄に繋がれた理由も、無恥な企業を欺いたからに他ならぬ。中二病
BosuW
What's great is that it wasn't even everything thanks to the plan. Akagi pulled the "pretend Akiyama isn't telling you where the card is" gambit in order to buy them time. He took active initiative in order to aid the plan. Yokoya on the contrary never allows anyone else to have ideas, they're all just his pawns.
すごいのは、それでもまだ計画の全部じゃなかったってことだよね。赤城は時間稼ぎのために「秋山がカードの場所を教えてないふり」をして、積極的に計画を助けたんだ。一方の横屋は他人にアイデアを許さず、みんなただの駒扱いだしな。普通くん
Toge_Inumaki012
goated traitors unlike the traitors in Akiyama's team lmao
秋山チームの裏切り者とは大違いの神裏切り者やんwww2ちゃん
Bobblefighterman
Crazy what you can do when the side characters actually have brain cells.
サイドキャラがちゃんと頭使うと、できることの幅がすごく変わるよな。普通くん
gamria
原文
I would also add that with Yokoya's Confession Game throwing a spanner in the works, it really counted on Shibayama confessing just enough to assuage Yokoya's suspicions, and for Hasegawa to believe him that they can still proceed. And for Shibayama in turn to believe that Hasegawa will pull through. And for all three to believe that Dayside will fulfill the bargain. Really, trust is its own commodity in the Liar Game.
また、横屋の告白ゲームが計画を狂わせたことで、芝山が横屋の疑念を和らげるためにちょうどいい塩梅で告白すること、長谷川がそれを信じて進めること、さらに芝山が長谷川の勝利を信じること、そして三人全員がデイサイドが取引を守ると信じることが、本当に重要だったんだよな。ライアーゲームにおいて、信頼そのものが独自の通貨だという考察ができる。考察くん
Frontier246
In a smuggling battle between two countries, the fascist totalitarian regime was toppled with the power of teamwork and self-sacrificing, just like you'd expect from any heroic story. Also I know Nao didn't say anything but she looked great and inspiring standing tall and resolved alongside Akiyama while he monologued.
二国の密輸を巡る戦いの中で、ファシスト的な全体主義政権が、チームワークと自己犠牲の力で倒されたんだ。どんな英雄譚でもありそうな展開だよね。あと、ナオは何も言ってなかったけど、秋山が独白してる隣で、凛として決意に満ちた姿で立ってる彼女はすごく輝いて見えたし、感動的だったよ。普通くん
Frontier246
Also at no point did any of the Country of Day look defeated/desperate.
国・デイ側が一度も負けそうな顔してなかったのもヤバいっしょ!絶望感ゼロで逆に怖いわ。感情くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Onore Akiyama
おのれ秋山め……普通くん
Toge_Inumaki012
We also see Yokoya's shock since his eyes was open lmao
横矢が目を見開いてるの最高にウケるwww感情くん
ShawnHeatherly
Yokoya can act smug all he wants, dude got played.
横谷はいくら得意げに振る舞っても、結局やられた側だよね。普通くん
Toge_Inumaki012
I wish i have his confidence when getting outplayed by someone lol
草、追い詰められても余裕の表情保てるのガチで才能やわwww2ちゃん
abandoned_idol
Anyone can when using the ultimate strategy. opens a suitcase full of money
誰でも使えるだろ、最強の戦略ならよ!スーツケースに札束詰めて持ってきやがれっての!感情くん
illonamoon
I'll give it to yokoya I was expecting a bigger crash out.
横谷は意外と耐えたな。もっと盛大にブチギレると思ってたわ。2ちゃん
AlphaBreak
Any potential crash out is tempered by what a rich boy he is. He can afford to lose the money, so he's just enjoying the game and probably the first real challenge he's ever had.
どんなにキレそうになっても、彼が金持ちの坊っちゃんだってことで抑えられてるんだよね。金を失う余裕があるから、ゲームを純粋に楽しんでる感じだし、多分これが人生で初めての本当の挑戦なんじゃないかな。普通くん
illonamoon
True but the humiliation of getting played by the three people he thought he ruled over has to sting. I thought he'd crash out for that mostly, especially when he thought he caught the two traitors ahead of time to prevent something like this.
確かにそうだが、自分が支配していると思っていた3人に騙された屈辱は相当応えるはずだ。特に裏切り者2人を事前に捕まえて防いだと思っていただけに、そこが一番の爆発ポイントだと思ってたんだよな。考察くん
abandoned_idol
Yokoya is always 2 mice ahead of the game, as illustrated by the mice in his hand. Every second must be leveraged, so he's taunting people in anticipation for the next opportunity to swindle their poor asses.
横谷はいつも二匹分のネズミで先を行ってるな、手に持ってるネズミがその象徴だよ。一秒たりとも無駄にしないから、次のカモを騙すチャンスを待ちながら挑発してるんだろうな。普通くん
hegetsblu
next episode, Akiyama opens his hand. Behold, there are three mice!
次回、秋山が手を開くんだけど!なんと3匹のネズミがいるんだって!!やばくね!?まじでどういうこと!?ギャル
abandoned_idol
The real friendship was the money that I inherited from my parents all along. Fools! laughs out loud You're still poors in the end! "Yeah, but we're poor friends." non-rich characters hold hands
本当の友情って、結局親から相続した金だったんだよ。バカどもめ!www結局お前ら貧乏のままだろ!「でも、俺たちは貧乏な友達だよな。」金持ちじゃないキャラたちが手を繋ぐ普通くん
hegetsblu
"Screw the rules, I have money!" - Abridged Seto Kaiba
「ルールなんてクソ食らえ、俺には金がある!」— アブリッジ版の海馬瀬人、マジでこれに尽きるッ!感情くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
Akiyama the freakin chess master over here. The moment he turned the 3 lads, it really was game over for Yokoya. Everything else we were watching was just theater. Interesting how Yokoya doesn’t seem to bothered. I guess he knows something the rest of them don’t. Either that or the idea of willingly going into debt to save other people is so foreign to him, he can’t even comprehend it.
秋山はまさにチェスの達人だな。3人を寝返らせた瞬間、横屋にとっては実質ゲームオーバーだった。その後見てた展開は全部、演劇に過ぎなかったんだよ。興味深いのは、横屋が全然動じてないことだな。他の連中が知らない何かを知ってるんだろうな。あるいは、自ら借金を背負って他人を救うって発想が、彼にはあまりにも異質で理解すらできない、って可能性もあるが。考察くん
Frontier246
原文
Also props to Nao for managing to act super shocked even though she must have known they'd won by that point yet she still had to play it like she was determined not to fail as an inspector. Yokoya can't admit his worldview was wrong or that it lost him this battle, especially to people who would sacrifice themselves for others. Who would act in a way that didn't benefit them? But that'll probably keep until they go up against each other again in the next game.
直(なお)もすごいよな。あの時点で勝ってること分かってたはずなのに、めっちゃ驚いたふりして、検察官として失敗しないって感じを演じきったのは。横谷は自分の世界観が間違ってたとか、それが原因で負けたって認められないんだろうな。特に他人のために自分を犠牲にする奴らには。自分に得がない行動なんてしないって思ってるから。でもそれは次のゲームでまた対決する時まで持ち越しそうだな。普通くん
BubblyCrash
she was legitimately shocked because yokoya wasn't supposed to be able to draw any money by that point (all the money was deposited into only the traitor's cards)
横谷がその時点で金を引き出せるはずなかったからな(全額裏切り者のカードにしか入ってなかったし)ガチで驚いてたわwww2ちゃん
Toge_Inumaki012
I think Yokoya just moved on by his defeat and seem to be excited moving forward to get revenge or crush Akiyama and Nao's ideals. Since they are saving everyone then they will meet again still in the Liar Game Yokoya is in it for the love of the game he aint worried to be having debt and be deep in the Liar game
横矢は敗北を引きずらず、むしろ次の復讐や秋山と奈緒の理想を潰すことにワクワクしてる感じだよね。全員を助けるってなら、またLIAR GAMEで会うだろうし。横矢はゲーム自体を楽しんでるから、借金や深みにはまっても気にしてないみたいだ。普通くん
BosuW
Maybe he knows something about the organizers of the Liar Game.
あいつ、Liar Gameの主催者側のこと何か知ってるんちゃうか?2ちゃん
Toge_Inumaki012
he is rich and crazy as f. Also with Akiyama and Nao's sacrifice they are bound to meet again in the liar game so he can get revenge or crush their ideals and prove to them that his method of control is superior
彼は金持ちでめちゃくちゃ狂ってるな。それに秋山と奈緒の犠牲もあって、ライアーゲームでまた会う運命にあるんだろうな。復讐するか、彼らの理想を打ち砕いて、自分の支配方法が優れてるって証明するためにね。普通くん
gamria
If it helps, here's a play by play from me elsewhere in this post.
まじで助かるわ!てかこのポストの他のとこで書いたやつ、そのままコピペしてるだけじゃん笑 でもそれでいいと思うよ!ギャル
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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Several-Lie-2670
PEAK
ピークやんけwww2ちゃん
Tapwater_enthusiast
I mean yeah, a whole episode of explaining the ending twists This arc is highly regarded for a good reason
まじでわかる!最終回のどんでん返しを1話まるごと解説してくれるの神すぎじゃん?このアークが名作って言われるの納得しかないんだけど!ギャル
BubblyCrash
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The reveals! I love how everything was unveiled, with the country of Night members saying "What?? That doesn't make sense." followed by Akiyama or the turncoats saying "But it does. Here's what happened" and showing something brilliant. Who would've imagined that Hasegawa was on Akiyama's side before they even met, and that he smuggled the money on the turn Yokoya was using him to confirm Shibayama's confession? Even though Yokoya lost the contest with Akiyama, we still got a good showing from him this episode, with him dominating the entire 3rd day and massively extending the Country of Night's lead in official score. Akiyama and Nao could only beat him with a tremendous sacrifice to themselves. He'll be a scary opponent if they ever meet up in the Liar Game again.
明かしの連続が最高だよね!夜の国メンバーが「えっ、意味わかんない」って困惑する中、秋山や裏切り組が「いや、こういうことだよ」って鮮やかに説明していく流れが好き。長谷川が会う前から秋山側で、横谷が芝山の自白を確認するために使ったお金を密かに運んでたなんて誰が想像できた?横谷は秋山との勝負に負けたけど、3日目を支配して夜の国の公式スコアを大幅に伸ばした良い戦いぶりだった。秋山と直は大きな犠牲を払ってようやく勝てた感じだし、またライアーゲームで再戦したら恐ろしい相手になるだろうね。普通くん
Frontier246
Honestly I think Akiyama's favorite thing in the world is to be able to reveal to conceited pieces of @#$% how he managed to outsmart them and use their own strategies against them.
ワイ的にはアキヤマの一番好きなもんって、天狗になってるクソ野郎どもに「お前の作戦そのまま使って逆に嵌めたで」って見せつけることやと思うわwww2ちゃん
Toge_Inumaki012
going the extra mile
まさに一歩踏み込んだ感じだね。普通くん
Several-Lie-2670
remember the cliffhanger?
あのクリフハンガー覚えてる?マジで続き気になりすぎて草2ちゃん
BubblyCrash
there might be something else in store. But we do have the outside country totals and ATM totals this episode, so we know things generally went in Nao + Akiyama's way.
今後の展開はまだ何かあるかもしれないけど、今回は海外の合計とATMの合計が出たから、大体ナオとアキヤマの思い通りに進んだってことはわかったね。普通くん
Several-Lie-2670
i would say it depends on perspective
ワイの見方次第やろな2ちゃん
grizzchan
And what's really wild is that after a full episode of reveals, they're still not done with the reveals! I thought this episode would finish the arc but there was just so much happening this arc that a single episode wasn't enough.
本当にすごいのは、1話まるまる情報公開したのに、まだ終わってないってことだよね!このエピソードで章が完結すると思ったけど、この章は展開が多すぎて1話じゃ足りなかったんだね。普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Smugkiyama the episode
スマイキヤマ今週もガチでウザいンゴwwwでもそれがええねん!2ちゃん
Frontier246
Leon ain't the only delightfully smug Takeo Otsuka character this season.
レオンだけが今期の大塚剛央の気持ち悪いほどのニヤニヤキャラじゃないんだよね。普通くん
MMinjin
I kind of get it but didn't follow all of the details - The Anime
なんとなく分かったけど細部までは追えんかったわー2ちゃん
CommunistPuppy
I'm not even gonna pretend like I followed all the details of this game completely but hey it's entertaining so I don't mind
このゲームの詳細を全部理解したふりはしないけど、まあ面白いから気にしないよ。普通くん
duo99dusk
"Yeah, yeah, I bet it makes sense and it does sound clever, nice" ahh episode
「はいはい、なるほどね、確かに賢い感じでいい話っぽいね」みたいなエピソードだった……まあ、感想としてはそれだけなんだけどさッ!感情くん
gamria
Hope this helps, a play by play from me elsewhere in this post.
参考までに、ワイがこのスレの他の場所で書いたプレイバイプレイやで。2ちゃん
Electronic-Yogurt-43
I’m going to go back and watch every episode and takes notes on everything literally. Like I’m confused and not confused at the same time. Plus all the things the characters did in each episode all ties with the finale of this game.
最初から全話見返して、文字通り全部メモ取ろうと思う。混乱してるようで、実は理解してる感じ。各話でキャラがやったこと全部が、このゲームの最終決戦につながってるんだよね。普通くん
Jauretche
This kind of show is much easier to follow as a manga! I hope next round comes back to smaller numbers.
この手の作品って漫画の方がめっちゃ読みやすいじゃん!次ラウンドは人数少なめに戻ってきてほしいんだけど!ギャル
gamria
Here's a play by play from me elsewhere in this post, for episodes 16 to 18.
エピソード16から18までの実況をこっちにまとめたよ。普通くん
magnumcyclonex
原文
Ah ....from last week I knew there had to be some relevance to the broken speaker. Turns out it was indeed Akiyama tampering with the cards so a new one could be issued. But I just think...from Hasegawa's reaction when he stood up in the inspection room with Akiyama, was Yokoya NOT watching the inspection room? Seems like an obvious plot hole if that was the case, because that could have tipped him off, even with all the voice recorder devices being passed around. And I suppose now its Akiyama's and Nao's mission to save all the players, one by one, including Yokoya, going into the next loser's round. (No wonder Yokoya is feature in the OP standing next to them and Fukyuama). Btw, as "evil" as Yokoya seems, no one can ever match Seto Kaiba's maniacal laughs!
先週からあの壊れたスピーカーに何か意味あるやろな思てたんやけど、やっぱアキヤマがカード細工して新しいの出させたってことか。でもワイ思うんやけど…検証室でアキヤマと一緒に立ったハセガワの反応見るに、ヨコヤは検証室見てなかったんか?それやったら明らかなプロットホールやろ。ボイスレコーダー回しとっても、気づく可能性あったやん。んで多分これからアキヤマとナオがヨコヤ含めて全プレイヤーを一人ずつ救うミッションなんやろな。OPでヨコヤがフクヤマと並んで立ってるのも納得やわ。ちなみにヨコヤがどんなに悪役でも、セト・カイバの狂笑には敵わへんでwww2ちゃん
Toge_Inumaki012
my brain cant keep up tbh but maybe it was when hasegawa was tasked to pretend to get along with Akiyama's plan or something?
マジで頭追いつかねぇわw でも多分、長谷川がアキヤマの計画に合わせて仲良く振る舞う役を任されたあたりじゃね?笑wwwおじ
gamria
Here's a play by play from me elsewhere in this post.
ワイが他のレスで書いた実況まとめやで。2ちゃん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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Desperate_Dark_5221
You people are fucking stupid. God, I hate Redditors.
お前らマジでバカだろw まじでReddit民嫌いなんだがwwwwおじ
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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bananeeek
I guessed correctly that the game was over by the third day and that the speaker played a part, but I had no idea how or why and honestly, the amount of work they put into this plot to make it work was insane. No way I'd be able to guess all of that. They literally spent 20 minutes explaining those shenanigans, holy shit.
ワイは3日目でゲーム終了と話し手の関与は当てたンゴけど、どうやって・なぜはさっぱりやったわ。このプロット組むための労力ヤバすぎやろ、全部当てるの無理やん。説明だけで20分使ってたんか、マジで草生えるわwww2ちゃん
abandoned_idol
They literally spent 20 minutes explaining those shenanigans, holy shit. That explains why they left the victory as a cliffhanger in the previous episode. "We're gonna need plenty of time to dumb down our plan explanation to the average viewer."
あの仕掛けの説明だけで20分使ったのか、マジかよ。前回のエピソードで勝利をクリフハンガーにした理由がこれで説明できるな。「平均的な視聴者にも理解できるよう、我々の計画説明を噛み砕くには十分な時間が必要だ」って制作陣の意図が透けて見えるわ。考察くん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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gamria
Hope this helps, a play by play from me elsewhere in this post.
これで役立つといいな、この投稿の別のところで俺が書いた詳細な解説だよ。マジで長くなったけど、全部見てほしい!感情くん
Nexio8324
I like how all the little details from the Contraband arc come together here. The speaker, recording devices, and broken card duplication have all been set up for a while, but it comes together in a really interesting way.
密輸編の細かい伏線がここで全部回収されるのがいいね。スピーカー、録音機器、壊れたカード複製、どれも前から用意されてたけど、ここで本当に面白い形で繋がるんだよな。普通くん
duo99dusk
I don't understand the speaker thing, but I was really expecting to see how the damaged card replacement info was going to help!
スピーカーの件はよう分からんけど、破損カード交換情報がどう役立つのか見たかったンゴwww2ちゃん
Hyperactivepigeon
Speakers use strong magnets to make sound. Running a magnet over a credit card scrambles the data so that it can't be used, but doesn't visibly break anything. So the speaker's magnet let Akiyama destroy a card, while also letting Hasegawa give the broken card back.
スピーカーは強力な磁石で音を出す。カードに磁石をかざすとデータが乱れて使えなくなるが、見た目は壊れない。つまり、スピーカーの磁石で秋山はカードを破壊しつつ、長谷川が壊れたカードを返すことを可能にしたわけだ。この仕掛けは物理的破壊とデータ破壊の二段構えで、心理戦を描く上で巧妙な伏線だったと言える。考察くん
Nexio8324
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When Akiyama was experimenting, he broke Nao's card, and got a replacement from one of the masked men. He found out that to get a replacement, you must present the damaged card (losing it doesn't count), and you get to keep both copies of the card. Normally this doesn't matter (since one card is ripped in half), but you can effectively duplicate a card if you damage it in a way that doesn't destroy it (like by using the speaker to demagnetize it). Yokoya was also aware of card replacement rules. At the start of the game, he gathered all the cards on his team, and lent out someone else's card whenever someone went to smuggle. That player must return the card back to him, otherwise their own card is burned (which means they can't collect any money at the end of the game). Since burned cards are completely destroyed, there's no way to get a copy from the masked men. Akiyama needed one card from each team for his plan to work (so he can transfer all of Day's money into a Night country account). Hasegawa can't just give his own card away, since he'd have nothing to give back to Yokoya, and Yokoya would burn the card with his name on it. Akiyama used the speaker to render the card useless, while still making it look like a valid card. That way, when Hasegawa requests a new card, he can give the real one to Akiyama, and the fake one back to Yokoya. After that, the trio would just need to keep the lie up until the end so Yokoya can give everyone their cards back, and they can claim their prize money.
秋山が実験してた時、直のカードを壊して、仮面の男から交換してもらったんだ。交換には壊れたカードが必要で(紛失はダメ)、しかも両方のコピーが手に入ることがわかった。普通は問題ないけど(片方は半分に裂かれてるから)、スピーカーで磁気を消すみたいに、壊さずに傷つければ実質カードを複製できるんだよ。横矢も交換ルールを知ってて、ゲーム開始時にチームのカードを全部集めて、密輸する時は他人のカードを貸してた。借りた人は返さないと自分のカードが燃やされる(そうなると賞金を受け取れない)。燃やされたカードは完全に破壊されるから、仮面の男からコピーをもらうこともできない。秋山の計画には各チームから1枚ずつカードが必要だった(昼のチームの全額を夜の国に移すため)。長谷川は自分のカードを渡せない、横矢に返すものがなくなるし、名前入りのカードを燃やされるから。秋山はスピーカーでカードを無効化しつつ、有効に見せかけた。そうすれば長谷川が新しいカードを要求した時、本物を秋山に渡して、偽物を横矢に返せる。その後は3人で最後まで嘘を通して、横矢が全員にカードを返すのを待って、賞金を受け取るだけってわけ。普通くん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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FastenedCarrot
I apologise for my comments in a previous thread, that's not anime Jared Leto. It's anime Jesus.
前のスレッドでのコメントは謝るよ、あれはアニメのジャレッド・レトじゃない。アニメのイエスだ。普通くん
FarCritical
Figured there'd be a handful of jaw contortions but Yokoya's extra sinister one has a different bite to it. Akiyama earned his flowers for his tactical work but that smug raised eyebrow is way funnier than it has any right to be. All three of the guys deserve an Oscar too but I hope Hasegawa personally recorded a little apology to Akagi for the punch at some point.
横顔の歪み方は何人かいると思ってたけど、横矢のあの異様に邪悪な表情は別格の迫力があるな。秋山は戦術面で称賛に値する功績を残したが、あの得意げな片眉の上げ方は、本来あるべき以上に面白すぎる。3人ともオスカー級の演技だけど、長谷川はアカギに殴った件の謝罪を個人的に録音して渡してくれてたらいいのにな。考察くん
BBryant3rd
Wow the plan was wonderfully executed and the reason they betrayed was also a wonderful reason. Loved this and did not expect it going down like this.
プランが完璧に実行されててすごかったし、裏切りの理由も納得できる良い理由だった。こんな展開になるとは思わなかったけど、めちゃくちゃ好き。普通くん
abandoned_idol
This anime is not only incredibly clever. I can't keep up (don't worry about explaining anything, I doubt I'd be able to keep up with ANY explanation). I really wish I hadn't gotten hopelessly lost over the many details in the contraband game 😆.
このアニメ、ガチで頭良すぎやろwww 追いつけへんわ(説明してくれなくてええで、ワイには何言われても無理や) 禁制品ゲームの細かいとこで迷子になりまくったの、ホンマに後悔しとるわ😆2ちゃん
BubblyCrash
that's ok. This game is notoriously complicated. It's easy for details to get lost week by week. It'd probably be better on a binge.
大丈夫だよ。このゲームは有名なくらい複雑だから、週ごとに細かい部分を見失うのは仕方ないね。一気に見た方がたぶん分かりやすいと思う。普通くん
illonamoon
I see how akiyama went to jail now, only a criminal can think of a strategy like that. Akiyama and nao are such good people. So was nao pretending to be shocked in the final round?
なるほど、秋山が刑務所行きになる理由が分かったわ。あんな戦略考えられるのは犯罪者だけやろwww 秋山となおはガチで善人やん。最後のラウンドでなおが驚いたフリしてたってことか?2ちゃん
BubblyCrash
No Nao's shock was genuine. Ideally the country of day wanted to keep the outside account gap they were losing by small, but Yokoya was able to confuse her and expand the gap by a lot in the 3rd day
いやいや、奈緒の衝撃は本物すぎるッ!国側としては差を小さく抑えたかったはずなのに、横谷が3日目で彼女を混乱させて差を一気に広げたんだよ。無理すぎる、この展開しんどい!感情くん
Liesianthes
The speakers, recorder trick. Akiyama has well thought of his plan. Who would ever thought using that to circumvent Yokoya's control. Brilliant, truly a brilliant plan.
スピーカーと録音機のトリックか。秋山の計画はガチで考え抜かれてるわ。まさかあれで横谷の支配をかわすとは思わんかった。天才やろ、まじで天才的な作戦やわ。2ちゃん
feb914
Wasn't Hasegawa's surprised face would be seen by both teams' base? Wouldn't it make Yokoya suspicious? Also don't the players get any change of cloth over 3 days? And the game officer letting Hasegawa keep the broken card. Shouldn't he have Retrieved it? Even when I got a broken gift card the cashier knows to take back the broken one when a replacement was issued.
長谷川の驚いた顔、両チームのベースから見えるんじゃないのか?横谷に怪しまれないか?あと、選手たちは3日間着替えがないの?それに、審判が長谷川に壊れたカードを持たせたままにしたのもおかしいだろ。回収すべきじゃない?俺が壊れたギフトカードを交換してもらう時だって、店員は壊れたのを回収するだろ。普通くん
Revolutionary-Start
That point 1 won't be an issue if there was no stupid TV in the anime version.
TV版にアニメのバカなテレビがなければ、ポイント1は問題にならないんだけどね笑ギャル
gamria
原文
Wasn't Hasegawa's surprised face would be seen by both teams' base? Wouldn't it make Yokoya suspicious? Leaving aside the anime-original TV screens, Hasegawa showing surprise in itself wouldn't tip off Yokoya, since to him it could just be part of the act. Yokoya at this point believes that Akiyama would tell Hasegawa, for the first time, about Hasegawa's failure and how Dayside went and hid the 1.91B. So Hasegawa showing surprise can still be passed across as him acting as though he's hearing this for the first time, just like Akagi's first response. Alas, Yokoya was mistaken and Hasegawa was genuinely surprised for another reason. Also don't the players get any change of cloth over 3 days? They don't, and the LGT probably didn't want to give away the nature of Round 3 by asking them to pack for a 2-night stay. Accommodation includes pajamas and drycleaning, maybe.
長谷川の驚きの表情が両チームのベースから見えるって話だよな。ヨコヤに疑われるんじゃないかって懸念もあるが、アニメオリジナルのテレビ画面は別として、長谷川が驚くこと自体はヨコヤに怪しまれないはずだ。なぜならヨコヤはこの時点で、秋山が長谷川に初めて失敗を知らせ、デイサイドが19億1千万を隠した経緯を伝えると信じているからな。だから長谷川の驚きは、初めて聞いたふりをする演技として通せる。赤木の最初の反応と同じように。結局ヨコヤの読みは外れて、長谷川は別の理由で本気で驚いたわけだが。 あとプレイヤーは3日間着替えがないのか?ないんだよな。LGTは2泊の宿泊を想定した準備をさせることで、第3ラウンドの性質を悟られないようにしたんだろう。宿泊施設にはパジャマやクリーニングサービスがあるかもしれないが、それはあくまで推測だな。考察くん
Kyuzo897
If I ask the cashier if I can keep the broken card It is almost guaranteed to let me do so and when you consider this is the LGT corp they're even more likely to accept It for the funs of the dealers.
店員に壊れたカードを貰えるか聞いたら、ほぼ確実にOKしてくれると思う。しかもLGT社なら、ディーラーが楽しむためにむしろ喜んで受け入れてくれそうだよね。普通くん
Frontier246
Also don't the players get any change of cloth over 3 days? Honestly it's weird to have Nao in only one dress for a decent length of episodes. I'm so used to her having a new outfit in practically every episode. The green dress was nice though.
いやマジで3日間着替えとかないんか? ナオがワンピース一着で数話やってるの普通に変やん。毎話衣装変わるのに慣れてたから余計気になるわ。まあ緑のドレスは可愛かったけどな。2ちゃん
gamria
I still think Nao's Round 3 outfit is easily one of her best Also, if I told you a red version existed, would you believe me?
なおの第3ラウンドの衣装、今でも間違いなくベスト級だと思う!しかも、赤バージョンが存在するって言ったら信じる?感情くん
Fit_Designer1888
This is ayanokoji levels of intelligence
これは綾小路レベルの知能だな普通くん
Big_Method_2147
This makes ayanokoji and cote looks like a show for edgy kids
まじでそれな!ayanokojiとかCOTEって、なんか中二病全開の厨二向けアニメって感じじゃん?笑ギャル
abandoned_idol
I mean, it IS. The real smarty pants shows are the ones that make the audience struggling to keep up.
いやマジでそう!本当の頭良さげアニメって、観てるこっちが必死に追いつこうとするやつだよな。しんどすぎるけどエモい!感情くん
Kyuzo897
Ayanokoji was literally inspired by Akiyama and also I've never seen Ayanokoji doing any logical-mathematical intelligence feat in the series which is the highest expression of intelligence.
綾小路は明らかに秋山から影響受けてるよな。それに、綾小路がシリーズ中で論理数学的知能の最高峰を見せたことなんて一度もないと思うわ。普通くん
Toge_Inumaki012
difference is it was pure outsmarting and not suddenly everyone is from Tekken throwing hands
違いはな、ガチの知略戦やったってことやろ。急に全員鉄拳のキャラみたいに殴り合い始めるんちゃうしなwww2ちゃん