+472
Frontier246
My immediate assumption is that it's Akiyama at the door who will pose as a Liar Game collector and take all the money from him. He'll be desperate to pawn it off to secure his victory and won't think twice about it.
Besides they don't actually know how the money gets collected so it's an easy con.
ふむ、その瞬間、我が目に映ったのは――扉の向こうに立つ秋山が、まさに“LIAR GAME回収人”を装い、奴の全財産を奪い去る未来の幻影よ。奴は勝利の執念に駆られ、疑う余地すらなく金を差し出すだろう。何せ、金の回収方法など奴らは知らぬのだからな。まさに、闇に潜む策の罠よ。中二病+93
Hartzilla2007
And Ironic since the guy mentioned a similar idea has part of getting Nao to hand over her money.
それな。しかも本人が同じようなアイデアを奈緒にお金を渡させる方法の一部として話してたのが皮肉だよね。普通くん+23
Se7en_Sinner
I thought Akiyama was going to falsify information on the Liar Game letter to show that Nao was now in possession of the money. Then he could swipe it when Fujisawa opens the safe to check on the contents. But now the game's over so maybe Akiyama was able to breach the safe from either behind the wall or under the foundation of the house.
秋山の心理戦は確かに効果的だったな。あの老いぼれを冷や汗かかせて疑心暗鬼にさせたんだから。そのおかげで彼らは正確に状況を把握できたんだろう。
最初は秋山がライアーゲームの封筒に情報を偽装して、奈央が金を所持しているように見せかけるのかと思った。そうすれば藤沢が金庫を開けて中身を確認したときに、すり替えられるからな。だがゲームが終わった今、秋山は壁の裏か家の基礎の下から金庫に侵入できた可能性が高いという考察ができる。考察くん+36
Western-Internal-751
原文
I think he did fake the letter but for both of them. Both think the game ends at 5PM. Dude will be severely sleep deprived and on a high from thinking that he won after seeing her authentic emotional outburst.
He won’t even think twice when he opens the safe himself and hands over the money.
Edit: but somehow I think there is more to it. It’s just not anime master-thief insane enough of a plot yet
秋山が手紙を偽造したのは確かだと思うけど、二人とも対象だったんだよ。両方ともゲームは午後5時で終わると思い込んでる。彼は睡眠不足で、彼女の本気の感情爆発を見て勝ったと確信してハイになってるから、自分で金庫を開けて金を渡す時も疑わないだろうな。
でもなんか、まだ裏がありそうな気がするんだよね。まだアニメの怪盗にしては十分クレイジーな展開じゃないって感じ。普通くん+58
ObvsThrowaway5120
That’s kinda what I’m thinking too. It may not actually be 5pm and the dude’s been tricked to get his cash out and hand it over to someone, likely Akiyama. That’s why he said it was gonna be easy to get the money.
せやな、ワイもそれ思うわ。実際は5時じゃなくて、騙されて金出させられてアキヤマに渡す流れちゃうか。だから「金取るの簡単や」って言ってたんやろな。2ちゃん+22
resphere
Faking the letter seems likely bc it looked like Fujisawa almost never come out to check his mail with how full the mailbox was, swiping the letter to fake it would've been really easy.
確かに手紙を偽造した可能性は高いね。フジサワがあまり郵便物を確認してなさそうだったし、手紙を盗むのも簡単だったろうな。普通くん+15
Imalsome
I dont understand why the old man kept openingthe curtains to the door that he knew he was being watched through? Everytime he sees himself being watched he freaks out and closes them... then has them open for the next scene??? And why does he constantly have his back door unlocked?
草、老人の行動意味不明すぎるやろwww
「見られてる」って分かってるのに毎回カーテン開けて、ビビって閉めて、また開けるって何なん?
しかも裏口の鍵も常に開けっぱなしとかワイには理解不能やわ2ちゃん+22
ObvsThrowaway5120
Declining mental state. His mind’s cracking and he’s not thinking clearly. My best guess anyways.
確かに。精神状態が悪化してて、冷静な判断ができなくなってるんだと思うよ。俺の推測だけどね。普通くん+16
rebon6
I think by keeping his curtains open he can also keep watch of akiyama before he does anything strange. He suspects that he has some sort of plan and that's why he's keeping watch.
Also, he's been stressed for 2 weeks and 24 hour straight so his logic is distorted.
せやな、爺さんはカーテン開けっぱなしにして秋山の動きも監視してたんやろな。何か企んでるって疑ってたから警戒してたってわけや。
つーか2週間24時間張り込みでストレスMAXやから、判断力もおかしくなってるンゴwww2ちゃん+19
skeleton_clique_143
I had the same thought but I justified it as anytime he hears sounds outside from the wind or whatever he gets very paranoid so he feels like he needs to open the curtain to check if anyone's there
確かにそれな!俺も最初「おいおいバカなの?」って思ったけど、外で風の音とか聞こえるたびに超 paranoid になって、誰かいるか確認したくて仕方なくなるんだろうなって納得したわ。しんどすぎるこの行動w感情くん+5
ModieOfTheEast
I know that you can manipulate a clock with a magnet. It runs faster that way. So my best guess is that Nao put a magnet close to the clock so that it would run faster and therefore, his relief combined with him knowing that the end is near would be enough for him to not notice that there is a time difference of a few minutes.
確かに、磁石で時計を操作できるのは知ってるよ。早く進むんだよね。だから多分、直が時計の近くに磁石を置いて進みを速くしたんだと思う。そうすれば、終わりが近いって安心感と相まって、数分の時間差に気づかないってわけだ。普通くん+16
Perfect-Try-4918
This. He was too distressed that his perception of time was off. And Akiyama will pose as the bagman at the door.
確かに!あのジジイ、時間感覚狂って焦りまくってたじゃん!しかも秋山が玄関でバッグマンに化けるとかまじで天才すぎる!笑ギャル+6
NanDemoKnaives
I'm sure that Akiyama is disguised as the money collector, but I'm also wondering if he did something to his watch or the letters. It'd be awkward if the actual money collector would appear at the same time lol.
秋山が集金人に変装してるのは間違いないと思うけど、時計か手紙に何か細工してるんじゃないかな。本物の集金人が同時に現れたらヤバいな笑普通くん+66
Emi_Ibarazakiii
原文
> I'm also wondering if he did something to his watch or the letters
I didn't pay enough attention to know if he got close enough to his watch to do something, sadly...
But - unless they're intentionally misleading the viewers in a cheap way - the letters are not changed, because Nao got the same one.
Still, something HAS to be rigged... Because:
>It'd be awkward if the actual money collector would appear at the same time lol.
Unless... They do show up at the same time, and it becomes a 'game' with Akiyama pretending to be the real one, trusting his conman skills to get Sensei to give him the money over the other one (acting even more real than the real one)!
Well, I doubt it'll happen this way, but it would've been interesting hah.
秋山が金回収人に変装してるのは確かやろな。でも時計か手紙に細工した可能性もあるよな…
残念ながら、時計に細工できる距離まで近づいたかどうかはちゃんと見てなかったわ…
でも、安っぽいミスリードじゃなければ手紙は変わってないはず。直も同じの受け取ってるしな。
でも絶対なんか仕込まれてるやろ…なぜなら:
> 本物の金回収人が同時に現れたら気まずいやんww
もし同時に現れて、秋山が「本物より本物らしく振る舞う」って展開になったら面白いんやけどな。詐欺師の腕前で先生から金を巻き上げるゲームになるってわけや。
まあ実際はそうならんやろうけど、そうなったら熱かったなwww2ちゃん+21
mekerpan
Given Akiyama's unwillingness to TELL Nao his final plan, I suspect it required Nao to be tricked just like Sensei. Her desperation is like music to his ears as the time counts down. It helps convince him that the time IS up. But somehow, Akiyama has manipulated time,
我が観察によれば、秋山が直に最終計画を明かさぬのは、彼女をも先生同様に欺くことが必要な策の証左なり。時間切れが迫る中、直の焦りは我が耳に奏でる旋律——彼に「時は来た」と確信させるための調べに過ぎぬ。しかし、秋山は既に時そのものを操る禁術を発動させているのだ。中二病+36
AlphaBreak
Maybe akiyama intercepted the mail for both her and the teacher, and the mail originally said it was going to be collected at 6. Then he made the new letter that says it'll be collected at 5 and sent it to both of them.
確かに、秋山が彼女と先生の両方のメールを先に受け取って、元々は6時に回収って書いてあったんだろうね。で、5時に回収って新しい手紙を作って二人に送ったって感じか。普通くん+23
IceSmiley
原文
I'm so glad I stuck with the second episode, this was much better than the first. I'm surprised they went the entire month in this episode, makes me wonder what they can do over a whole season, maybe other games.
Akiyama was very smart in letting Sensei's paranoia do most of the work for him and realizing that people are going to create all kinds of crazy scenarios in their head. I do wonder what he has up his sleeve though. It seems Sensei was distracted by Nao yelling outside but in the parts they didn't show, he was likely still looking at the safe. My best guess is that the agent from the Liar Game will actually be a friend of Akiyama who will steal back the money before the real agent gets there.
2話を最後まで見て本当に良かった。1話よりずっと面白かった。今月の試合をまるまる1話で描くとは思わなかったな。シーズン全体でどんな展開ができるのか気になる。もしかしたら別のゲームもやるのかも。
秋山は先生のパラノイアを巧みに利用して、人間が頭の中でどれだけ荒唐無稽なシナリオを生み出すかを理解していたのが賢い。ただ、彼がまだ何を隠しているのか気になる。先生は外で叫ぶナオに気を取られていたようだが、映らなかった場面ではおそらくまだ金庫を見ていたはず。俺の推測では、ライアーゲームのエージェントは実は秋山の仲間で、本物のエージェントが到着する前に金を取り戻すんじゃないか。考察くん+52
tweetthebirdy
As I told my friend, this game is by far the weakest/least interesting game Liar Game has in store. It's all uphill from here!
確かに!このゲームはLIAR GAMEの中でも一番地味で面白みに欠けるよな。でもここから全部上がっていくんだぜ!マジでエモい展開待ってるから楽しみすぎるッ!感情くん+44
HolyDragSwd2500
Love the opening and seeing all characters here
Akiyama: All according to Keikaku
Keikaku means plan
オープニングとキャラクター勢揃いが最高だね
秋山: 全ては計画通り
(Keikaku=計画の意)普通くん+47
Frontier246
From Aqua Hoshino to Akiyama, Takeo Ohtsuka is really following in the footsteps of the great Light Yagami.
それな!アクア星野から秋山まで、大塚武雄はまじでライト・ヤガミの偉大な足跡を追いかけてるんだなって思ったッ!!感情くん+24
BusouDrago
Akiyama character design reminds me of Light Yagami.
確かに、秋山のキャラデザは夜神月を思い出させるね。普通くん+10
testthrowawayzz
With a lot of practice as Jinshi and Haru
確かに大塚剛央はJinshiやHaruでかなり鍛えられてるしな、その流れでAkiyamaもバッチリやろww2ちゃん+8
Emilia_ET
They should have ended this game this episode rather than dragging it to the next ~ People watching this are either long time fans or newcomers
Dragging it out for too long and the newcomers will lose interest. The art style isn’t that appealing to begin with
このゲーム、次回まで引き伸ばさず今週で終わらせるべきだったよね〜。見てるのは長年のファンか新規参入者だし。
引き伸ばしすぎると新規は飽きちゃうよ。そもそも画風もそんなに魅力的じゃないしね。普通くん+36
Muffin-zetta
\>People watching this are either long time fans or newcomers
wouldn’t that be 90% of people watching most anime, what even would the third group be?
それな!笑 てかそれってほとんどのアニメに当てはまるじゃん?第三のグループってなんだよ、超気になるんだけど!ギャル+37
Careful_Ad_9077
Aliens
確かに、それって大抵のアニメに当てはまるよね。普通くん+12
Best_Trouble_7676
Long time haters.
確かに、長年のアンチもいるよね。それもまた一興って感じ。感情くん+5
BosuW
Man have some faith in my attention span please, stewing in tension is a much part the fun as discovering the conclusion with these kinds of stories.
せやな、ワイの集中力も信じてくれや。こういう話は結論に向かってじわじわ盛り上がるのが醍醐味やろ、焦らしも含めて楽しめるンゴwww2ちゃん+24
Ashteron
Yeah, it's definitely not a show for people whose attention span doesn't surpass two episodes.
確かに、これは2話で切っちゃう人には向いてない作品だね。普通くん+23
diacewrb
> stewing in tension is a much part the fun
Not for the players though, especially when you feel the need to tie knives to your head.
まあ確かに、緊張して待つ楽しさはわからんでもない。でもプレイヤー側はそうもいかないよな、頭にナイフ縛る羽目になるんだから。ドライおじ+5
Hour_Trade_3691
原文
Honestly, I don't really agree. I do admit, I didn't expect them to end this episode where they did. I fully expected them to just finish this game, and the cliffhanger maybe being Nao seeing the card with directions to round two.
But either way, the game has officially: 'ended,' here. The main thing that hooked me into this story was when I realized that this whole thing with Fujisawa with was just the beginning, and newcomers. See that with this Cliffhanger, since the whole month has already passed
正直、あんまり同意できないかな。確かにこの回で終わるとは思わなかったよ。完全にゲームが終わって、奈緒がラウンド2へのカードを見るクリフハンガーになると思ってた。
でも実際、ゲーム自体はここで「終わってる」んだよね。俺がこの話に惹かれた最大のポイントは、フジサワとの一件がただの始まりに過ぎないって気づいた時なんだ。このクリフハンガー見てわかるでしょ、もう1ヶ月経ってるし。新規参入者もいるしね。普通くん+13
WindHawkeye
You expect a show like this to not cliff hang?
せやな、こういう系の作品で続き気にさせんのは無理やろwww2ちゃん+15
IceSmiley
I don't even think it's being dragged out that long, I thought the entire series was going to be them plotting to get the money form Sensei and was surprised it was this close to the end in episode 2
それな!むしろ引き延ばされてる感じしないんだけど!?てっきりシリーズ通して先生から金奪う計画かと思ってたのに、まさか2話であんな終盤まで来るとは思わなくてビビったわ!感情くん+7
dawnwill
At first I thought this adaptation was kinda pointless then the reaction faces are so funny on top of the great voice acting. Shame I still remember how things play out as I read the manga 10+ years ago.
最初はこのアニメ化に意味あるのかと思ったけど、リアクション顔がめっちゃ面白いし声優の演技も良かったな。ただ10年以上前に原作読んでるから展開覚えてるのがちょっと残念だね。普通くん+33
BusouDrago
Excited for more reactions scene
確かにwリアクション顔芸だけで見る価値あるわ笑wwwおじ+14
zsmg
> Doesn't it seem strange, then, that he's spent all this time holed up in house?
Average redditor: this is supposed to be strange?!
それって変だと思う?って言うけど、彼がずっと家に引きこもってるのって普通に考えておかしくない?普通くん+31
Emi_Ibarazakiii
We all have to stay holed up in our house...
...To protect our own 100 million yen...
それな…みんな家に引きこもって自分の1億円守らなきゃいけないんだよな…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん+15
duskbillion
interesting that they modernized the anime all the electronic stuff like smartphones and Bluetooth speakers
草、LIAR GAMEにスマホとかBluetoothスピーカー出てきててワロタwww
現代版にアップデートしたんか、時代感じるンゴねえ2ちゃん+24
BusouDrago
Cliffhanger 😭
クリフハンガーすぎて泣ける😭普通くん+22
BosuW
I reckon we should get used to it
それな!もう慣れとくしかないじゃん笑ギャル+21
Emi_Ibarazakiii
原文
A declaration of war!
Clearly meant to affect him/make him change his (planned) behavior!
Hah, I always imagine things to be even more '4D chess' than they are; I thought he was sending her to observe him, knowing she'd be bad at it and would get spotted all this time!
But they weren't even subtle about it, they make it quite clear they were spying on him 24/7!
Our boy says he's doing it for the money, but I wonder if there's more to this (knowing she's in the right/Sensei's in the wrong) and all!
Well, whatever it is, that easily 50 mil might be enough to convince him to make a career out of this!
I guess she's not used to this stuff, but it's obvious what they're accomplishing;
Not only they changed his behavior (he used to go out, now he stays in 24/7), but they also got information out of it (it's likely in the house)!
I guess he's the first antagonist and all, but I kinda wish he had been a bit smarter hah; Imagine if he acted like this all this time, BUT the money really is in the bank; He was only acting like that so they focus on the house and not the bank!
Oh damn, they're going to burn him alive? A bit extreme, but if that's what they need to do..!
Soon as we saw that card, I thought I knew what they were doing, and I was already theorizing about that in the previous episode;
And I'm pretty sure it really IS what's happening: This is Akiyama, coming to collect the money in disguise...
But I'm a bit puzzled, because Nao got the same card...
I thought he would receive the card, falsify one (that says 4PM or something) and swap it in his mailbox, so Sensei would willingly give them the money at 4PM (an hour before the real representatives came), but if it's the same time on both cards, then the hour is legit, so what if the representative shows up at the same time Akiyama does?
If the hour is right, the other possibility would be to make sure Sensei has the wrong hour, but... They weren't close enough to him to change his watch or anything, were they?
I imagine it's something similar to this, but I wonder how they made it happen;
They clearly wanted him to be sleep-deprived/insane for this day to affect his judgment, but they can't exactly make a plan based on "He'll read the time wrong" or something like that, so what is it...
Well, next episode is *Resolution* so let's hope it's a good one!
And on a different topic: If Nao doesn't confirm herself as Best Girl, I vote for this one to take the crown!
【翻訳】
宣戦布告やんwww
明らかに彼の行動変えさせようとしてるやろこれ
作戦ガチで4Dチェスすぎて草
「彼女がバレるの分かってて監視させてる」とか思ってたンゴ
でも24時間監視って露骨すぎやろwww
「金のため」って言ってるけどワイにはそれだけじゃない気がするンゴね…
せやな、50万ドルあればキャリア変えるわな
彼女はこういうの慣れてないんやろうけど
外に出てたのが家にこもるようになった時点で作戦成功やん
情報も得られたし(家にある可能性高いしな)
最初の敵役ってことでちょっと頭良さそうにしとけばよかったのに
「実は金は銀行にある」ってオチなら盛り上がったのにwww
焼き殺すってガチか?
やりすぎやろ…でも必要なら仕方ないか
【カードの件】
カード見た瞬間「あ、これアキヤマの変装やな」って分かったわ
でもナオも同じカード持ってるのが謎やねん
「4PMって偽造してポストにすり替え」って線かと思ったけど
同じ時間なら代表者が被るやん
時間が合ってるなら時計を狂わせた可能性あるけど
そこまで近づけてないよな…
何かしら睡眠不足で判断力落とす作戦やろけど
「時間読み間違える」って前提は無理あるしな
【まとめ】
次回「決着」か…期待してるで!
ついでに言うとナオがベストガール確定2ちゃん+16
Frontier246
I love how Nao is dealing with such a stressful and tense situation but her outfit game has still been incredibly on-point throughout this whole thing.
わかるッ!ナオの服装マジで優勝してる!あんなストレスフルな状況なのにずっとおしゃれキメてるところがエモすぎる…!感情くん+19
Malipit
>And on a different topic: If Nao doesn't confirm herself as Best Girl, I vote for this one to take the crown!
If I remember correctly, she should appears in one to three episodes. You'll see how she is an interesting character.
確かに、その「宣戦布告」のシーンは相手の行動変容を意図した心理的駆け引きだと思われるな。伏線としても巧い。
別件だが、ナオがベストガール確定しないなら、このキャラが候補に上がるのは納得だ。彼女は確か1~3話程度の登場だが、その短い出番でキャラクター性が非常に興味深く描かれている。制作陣の意図が読み取れる良キャラだ。考察くん+12
carcatta
This is basically a preliminary round with random people, the real game hasn't even started yet.
えっマジ!?今のってただの予選で、まだ本番すら始まってないってことじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル+6
FarCritical
When in doubt, head knives out!
It's kind of beautiful how this manages to strike a balance between hammy and exhilarating
迷ったら迷わずナイフ出せや!
ハッタリと興奮のバランスが絶妙すぎて草ww2ちゃん+21
Frontier246
原文
Nao is such a sincere and honest person, that she even has to make a proper declaration of war towards Fujisawa! She'll get back her money AND take his! Which is just the opening salvo in her and Akiyama's battle with Fujisawa!
The OP is very on-point, with a moody, melancholic, theme while our Heroine is caught up in a world of lying, deceit, and duplicity. Can she save herself from despair? Can she trust Akiyama? If nothing else, she'll stay by his side.
If the plan is to intimidate Akiyama, it's working. Especially when Akiyama does it because he knows how to get under a guys' skin.
Nao definitely does NOT want to be running from the police, but Akiyama is surprisingly accommodating to her situation, especially in regards to her father. Could he actually be a legit good guy? Is he really just helping her for the money? Nao doesn't seem convinced.
Nor is she quite convinced their plan stakeout of Fujisawa is going to achieve anything, but it does add to Fujisawa's stress levels...and for how stressed he is, he never seems to move from that single room in his home...even the threat of fire isn't enough to make him do anything that would compromise his position...because that's where the money is.
The Nao-Akiyama team have figured out where the money is, but they're not going to be getting it easy when it's locked up nice and tight in a safe. But that should be child's play for a genius conman like Akiyama, right?
Just the thought that Akiyama could steal the safe, in whatever excessive method Fujisawa, can imagine, is enough to make him act like a crazy person which suits Akiyama's needs nicely. Even when the deadline for Liar Game is coming up.
What happened to Akiyama's plan!? Nao is about to lose! Which leaves her no choice but to cry and plead for mercy from Fujisawa...which he has no intention of giving her. Nao bangs on his glass door for a full half hour in desperation, but to no avail. Because time's run out and there's someone at the door for Fujisawa!
The ED is Akiyama focused, featuring happier memories with his mom. At least adult Akiyama seemed at peace at the end there.
直人が藤沢に対して宣戦布告をきちんと行うところ、彼女の誠実さが滲み出ているな。自分の金を取り戻すだけでなく、相手の金も奪い取るという宣言は、まさに秋山との共闘の序幕と言える。
OPは非常に的確だ。陰鬱で物悲しいテーマが、ヒロインが嘘と欺瞞の世界に囚われている状況を象徴している。彼女が絶望から救われるのか、秋山を信じられるのか。少なくとも、彼女は彼のそばに留まる決意をしている。
計画が秋山を威圧する狙いなら、それは成功している。特に秋山が相手の心理を突く方法を知っているからこそ、効果的に機能している。
直人は明らかに警察から逃げたくないが、秋山は彼女の事情、特に父親に関する件に驚くほど寛容だ。彼は本当に善意の人間なのか?それとも単に金目当てで手助けしているのか?直人は確信を持てていないようだ。
藤沢の張り込み計画が何かを成し遂げるとは彼女も思っていないが、それが藤沢のストレスを増大させる効果はある。そして彼がどれだけ追い詰められても、自宅の一室から決して動かない姿勢は興味深い。火事の脅威すら彼の立場を危うくする行動を取らせない。そこに金があるからだ。
直人と秋山チームは金の在処を突き止めたが、金庫に厳重に保管されている以上、容易には手に入らない。だが天才詐欺師の秋山にとっては児戯に等しいはずだ。考察くん+16
ModieOfTheEast
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I was expecting this to be a bit longer. Not sure where they want to go from here after this game ended. I get the feeling that Nao's final outbreak could have been faked (so she wants to keep swindling?), but it could have also been real so that Fuhisawa truly feels superior and doesn't notice a small inaccuracy with his clock. I guess another way could also be that the two of them want to kill the Liar game all together as it is clearly set up to reward the scammers.
Now, as for what was done, I think it is quite obvious. Increase the stress to a level where the relief feels even better than it would have been without it. So much that you don't notice a small time delay on your clock, so that they can collect the 200 Mio before the actual organisation people appear.
The question is more how they really did that. I know that a mechanical clock like this is very susceptible to a magnet. If you magnetize the clock, it runs faster. So if they managed to get a magnet close to it for enough time, there could be a big enough difference during one hour. And it was probably Nao who planted the magnet. Question is if she did it on purpose or by accident (as in she didn't even know that was the plan but was used in this way).
もうちょっと長い展開を期待してたかな。このゲームが終わった後、どこへ向かうのかよくわからない。奈緒の最後の爆発はフェイクだった可能性もある(まだ詐欺を続けたいのか?)けど、本当に藤沢に優越感を与えて時計の小さな誤差に気づかせないためだった可能性もある。あるいは二人でライアーゲーム自体を潰そうとしてるのかも。だって明らかに詐欺師に報酬が行く仕組みだしね。
で、実際にやったことに関しては、結構明白だと思う。ストレスを限界まで上げて、解放感を普段より強く感じさせる。その結果、時計の小さな遅れに気づかず、組織の人間が来る前に2億を回収できるってわけ。
問題はどうやってそれを実現したかだよね。こういう機械式時計は磁石にすごく弱い。磁化すると進みが速くなる。つまり、十分な時間磁石を近づければ、1時間で結構な差が出る。おそらく奈緒が磁石を仕込んだんだろう。それが意図的か偶然か(計画を知らずに利用されただけか)は疑問だけど。普通くん+10
Emi_Ibarazakiii
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> I was expecting this to be a bit longer. Not sure where they want to go from here after this game ended.
Pretty sure Akiyama's gonna be the one to push her to play some more;
He already hinted at 1) He's doing this for money and 2) No one's looking to hire ex-cons.
50m yen will keep him afloat for a time, but it's not exactly 'early retirement money', so he'll need to work a job at some point... Unless he makes THIS his job!
確かに展開が予想より早かったな。秋山が彼女をさらにゲームへ誘導する流れは明らかだと思う。彼自身「金のために動いてる」と示唆してたし、前科者を雇う場所もない。5千万円は当面の生活費にはなるが、早期退職できる額じゃない。となると、彼がこれを“仕事”にする以外に道はないという考察ができる。制作陣の意図として、この後の展開は秋山が直哉を“食い物”にする方向へ進む伏線だと思われる。考察くん+15
BosuW
Playing Liar Game to Put Food on the Table
せやな、飯のためならLIAR GAMEでもやらざるを得ないって感じやろなwww2ちゃん+19
Frontier246
Part of the reason I think her outburst might be real is that Akiyama seemed to deliberately not tell her what the plan was, so her reaction would be more genuine, though at the same time her breakdown and the waterworks did seem kind of strategically staged.
確かに秋山がわざと計画を教えなかったのは、彼女の反応をより自然に見せるためだったのかもね。でも同時に、あの涙と取り乱し方は計算された感じもするんだよな。普通くん+13
ModieOfTheEast
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I agree with it probably being a real outburst, just because otherwise Akiyama would have used the time to give Nao training. And leaving her in the dark makes it a lot more likely that Fujisawa would fall for it. My main issue is that I just don't see how he managed to get the magnet close to the watch, if Nao wasn't in on it. That seems like there would be too many things that could go wrong. But then again, maybe he used a different method to change the watch time.
同意だな。本当に感情的な反応だったんだろう。もし違ったら秋山がその時間を直のトレーニングに使ってたはずだし、藤沢を騙すには直を何も知らないままにしておくのが一番効果的ってわけだ。ただ、直が協力してないのにどうやって磁石を時計に近づけたのかがわからん。リスクが多すぎる気がする。まあ、別の方法で時計の時刻を変えた可能性もあるけどな。ドライおじ+12
a1oner_bvcksn6
The over dramatic constant panicking/crying of Nao and being forever helpless in contrast to Akiyama's unwavering cool, calm demeanor and confidence is what makes their partnership symbiotic, and together they make quite the formidable uncanny (or should I say "**con**"-ny) duo.
草、ナオの大げさなパニック&泣きと、秋山の終始クールで自信満々な態度の対比が相乗効果になってるンゴwww
二人合わせるとマジで不気味な(いや「不気味」じゃなくて「**不気**味」やろ)コンビになるわ
せやな、ワイもこれには同意や2ちゃん+8
HotBloodedNinja
i was thinking along the lines of giving him an ultimatum like- I will steal you money before X time and you won't even know it. And the teacher would than try to check if the money is safe in X time and at that moment try to swoop in and take the money.
なるほど、彼に「X時までに金を盗んでみせる、気づきもしないだろう」って宣言して、教師がその時間までに金が安全か確認しようとした瞬間にすり替えるってことか。なかなか面白い戦略だね。普通くん+7
pandavova
I would have hoped that this episode would have the conclusion, with some twist afterwards (probably round 2), but I guess we're getting cliffhangers. After Trillion Game... How could have I expected anything else? My own fault...
But I'm guessing the person on the doorstep is not the real collector.
このエピソードで決着がついて、その後何かしらの展開(おそらく2回戦)があると期待してたんだが、どうやらクリフハンガー方式で来るようだ。Trillion Gameを経験した身としては…他に何を期待できたというのか。自業自得だな。
ただ、玄関先にいる人物は本物のコレクターではないという考察ができる。制作陣の意図を読むなら、ここで偽物を登場させることで、視聴者に疑惑と緊張感を与える伏線を張っていると思われる。考察くん+9
MMinjin
I don't know, guys. The only reason I watched ep 2 was because of the manga readers in here saying that this will keep getting better and better. But right now, it really isn't good. Are we sure this is a good adaptation?
うーん、正直微妙だな。エピソード2を見たのは、マンガ読者が「これからどんどん面白くなる」って言ってたからだけど、今のところ全然良くないよ。これ、本当に良いアニメ化なのか?普通くん+7
Careful_Ad_9077
Yep, it's good.
The first arc is there to show you the characters, where the plot will go and that the games are real and solvable ,no magic or unreliable amounts of luck or plot armour are used, just good old math,logic and psychology.
Once the first arc weeds out the people who are searching for something different ,it will pick up steam.
せやな、いい作品やわ。
第1章はキャラ紹介と物語の方向性、ゲームが現実的で解けるもんやって示すためのパートや。魔法も運ゲーも主人公補正もなし、ただの数学・論理・心理学だけで動くんやで。
そこで合わん奴が去った後から本番や、加速していくンゴwww2ちゃん+12
FlameDragoon933
The first game is just the intro and thus the weakest part. I do think the adaptation makes it too long, personally I would have preferred it if it ends in episode 2.
確かに、最初のゲームは導入だから一番地味だよね。ただアニメ版はそれを引き伸ばしすぎてる気がする。個人的には2話で終わらせてほしかったな。普通くん+8
T3tr4d5
The first game is very different to the rest, so I suggest to at least watch until the second game (probably ep 3 or 4) before deciding to continue or not.
マジでそれな!最初のゲームは雰囲気違うから、第2ゲームまで見てから決めるのアリじゃない?てかep3か4くらいまで待ってみてほしい!ギャル+5
Impressive_Wave_890
Wow, I can’t believe sensei Fujisawa is won and letting to lose Kanzaki. I’m guessing he discovered Akiyama’s plan.
All my homies hate Fujisawa.
ふむ、藤沢先生が勝利し、神崎を敗れさせたとは……まさか某も驚き入ったでござる。おそらくは秋山の策を見破ったものと推察する。
某の仲間たちも皆、藤沢を憎んでおるでござるよ。武士+5
Frontier246
It takes a real scumbag to screw over someone you taught when she was a kid and whom you know you're saddling with crippling debt when she has a parent in hospice.
まじで藤沢先生マジでクズすぎじゃね!?教え子のカンザキを小さい頃から知ってて、親がホスピスに入ってるのに借金背負わせるとかありえなくない?笑ギャル+12
diacewrb
And he was taking kickbacks from that firm for the school trips.
Although I wonder how common that is in real life.
確かに。しかもあの会社から修学旅行のキックバックまで貰ってたんだよな…。リアルでもこういうのどれくらいあるんだろうな。考えただけで胸糞悪すぎるッ!感情くん+10
Great-Foundation4990
I like the premise so far but this is going to be a tough one to get through. Nao is absolutely insufferable and makes it annoying to watch.
確かに設定は面白いけど、これは見続けるのきつそうだな。奈緒がマジでイライラするから見てて辛くなる。普通くん+7
Lolersters
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Here is what I'm thinking happening, and the show set it up pretty cleverly too:
* I went back to the first episode and the message she received specifically states that "The game begins the moment you are informed of your opponent's identity. The game will end thirty days thereafter."
* The second message they both received specifies 5 pm. The first message does not specify a time.
* I believe the second message is forged by Akiyama. The show kind of gave it away when he tells the mc that he knows exactly *how* to get the money out of the safe. It doesn't mean he plans to physically open the safe himself. This is where I first got the idea when he said this.
* The person ringing the doorbell is probably Akiyama in disguise. Ep 1 already shows him disguised as a police officer. The teacher in his poor mental state won't notice. He will open the safe and hand over the money. Then game over.
* To get both briefcases, he will probably say something like "Give me both briefcases since they are just props for the game. We'll wire you the money soon."
* To confirm this theory, if you go back to episode 1 when the MC reads the mail with the picture of the teacher, it was pretty early in the morning. There is no clock in the scene but it's clearly not 5 pm. The game does not end at 5 pm, it ends 720 hours after the initial receipt of the opponent's identity, which is probably the next day.
なるほど、これは巧妙に仕組まれた展開だな。いくつか考察を述べる。
- 1話に遡ると、彼女が受け取った最初のメッセージには「ゲームは相手の身元を知らされた瞬間から始まり、30日後に終了する」と明記されていた。一方、2通目のメッセージには5時と時間指定があるが、最初のメッセージには時刻の記載がない。
- この2通目のメッセージは秋山が偽造した可能性が高い。彼が「金庫から金を出す方法を正確に知っている」と主人公に告げたシーンが伏線だ。これは物理的に金庫を開けるわけではなく、心理的操作を意味していると解釈できる。
- 玄関のチャイムを鳴らした人物は、おそらく秋山の変装だ。第1話で彼が警察官に変装した描写がある。精神状態が不安定な教師はそれに気づかず、金庫を開けて金を渡してしまうだろう。ゲーム終了。
- 両方のブリーフケースを手に入れるために、彼は「これらはゲームの小道具に過ぎない。すぐに送金する」と言って騙す可能性が高い。
- この説を補強する点として、1話で主人公が教師の写真付きメールを読んだシーンは早朝だった。時計は映っていないが、明らかに午後5時ではない。つまりゲームは5時に終了するのではなく、相手の身元を知らされてから720時間後、おそらく翌日に終了するという構造だ。考察くん+6
qanymede1610
As someone without knowledge of the source material, the first ep was very mediocre.
Cartoon-y teacher, insufferably naive MC and a pretty boring game.
Animation doesn't carry it either.
ふむ……原作を知らぬ身としては、第一話はまことに凡庸でござったな。漫画じみた教師、耐え難いほど純真な主人公、そして実に退屈なゲーム。作画もそれを補うまでには至らぬようだ。武士+24
Ashteron
>also why is it getting such a low rating on MAL?
Because MAL scores are worthless and they'd rather rate Classroom of the Elite higher lol.
MALの評価なんてクソみたいなもんやしなw あいつら『ようこそ実力至上主義の教室へ』の方を高く評価するのが好きなんやろ笑wwwおじ+15
Muffin-zetta
because it’s not a flashy punching anime or a boob anime
まじでそれ!派手なバトルアニメとかエロアニメじゃないから損してるよね〜笑ギャル+10
BBryant3rd
I really hope Akiyama doesn't screw Nao over. It was cruel enough having her put through this.
アキヤマがナオを裏切らないでほしいな。彼女がこんな目に遭うのは十分酷いし。普通くん+5
Emi_Ibarazakiii
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That would be surprising imho;
First, because he was introduced as a decent guy (antihero), he only conned a corrupt corporation...
But also: If he screws her over, he makes 100 million.
If he plays fair with her, he could make 50 million x 10 times, if he convinces her to play some more!
(If he really wants to be 'nasty', I'd say the worst he could do is to tell her, either he pockets the full 100m, or she keeps playing more games!)
せやな、でもワイは逆にそれはないと思うンゴwww
まず、あいつは腐った企業だけ騙したアンチヒーロー枠で出てきたやん?
それに、裏切ったら1億、でも正直にやれば5000万×10回(彼女を続けさせれば)って計算が立つんよ。
もしホンマに悪どくやるなら「全額ワイが貰うか、お前がゲーム続けるか選べ」って迫るのが最大の嫌がらせやろな。2ちゃん+8
Careful_Ad_9077
I hope he screws her... In a different way.
I was thinking about that since the first episode with nao saying " I don't know how to pay you" ,like ,girl, the dude spent god knows how many years in prison without female company,I am sure you can find a way to pay him.
確かに、彼女が「どうやって返せばいいかわからない」って言った時から思ってたわ。男が長年刑務所にいたんだし、別の方法で返せるんじゃない?ってね。普通くん+5
hanmkim
Probably thought that it would keep them from sneaking up on him. Basically a standoff.
確かに、相手がこっそり近づくのを防ぐための牽制だったんだろうな。完全ににらみ合い状態って感じ。感情くん+6
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