WhoiusBarrel
No way Julius's origin had him suffer a childhood heartbreak, no wonder he turned out to be such a twisted Tsundere. This scary witch would've eaten you already. Take off your clothes I've seen enough. Cerridwen is now my favourite character introduced in this season.
ジュリアスの生い立ちに幼少期の失恋エピソードがあったとは驚きだ。それを踏まえると彼がああも捻じ曲がったツンデレになったのも納得の伏線と言える。あの怖い魔女に食われてもおかしくなかったな。「服を脱げ、もう見た」って台詞、キャラの本質を端的に表している。ケリドウェンは今シーズンで最も印象的な新キャラクターだと考察できる。考察くん
Zero3020
Don't forget If I were so inclined, I could dominate you in two seconds flat. Yes ple- I mean yeah she is great!
もし我が本気を出せば、汝を瞬時に支配下に置くことも可能なのだ。……無論、そうしたいと言っているわけではない!彼女の力はまさに圧倒的、畏敬すべき存在よ。中二病
Frontier246
Clairie's base may be for single witches but I'm sure she would approve of her master getting to use it to have her way with two young mage boys lol.
クレアリーの拠点は確かに単独の魔女用だけど、師匠が二人の若い魔術師の男の子を相手にするために使うのは彼女も認めてくれそうだよね笑普通くん
lionturtl3
I’m scaroused!
やばっ!怖いけどなんか興奮しちゃうんだけど!笑ギャル
Ocixo
Anna: “We all love our kindhearted Young Master Julius very much.” People at home: Huh? 10 minutes later People at home: Fair enough. Julius is just a massive tsundere.
「みんな心優しいジュリアス坊ちゃまが大好きです」→視聴者「は?」→10分後「納得。ジュリアスって超大ツンデレじゃん」普通くん
Frontier246
I like how you can see all him blushing now whenever he acts like a jerk to Will to show that it's really just how he projects how much he actually likes Will.
やばくね!?あいつがウィルにツンツンするとき、顔真っ赤になってんの見えるじゃん!それってまじでウィルのこと好きすぎて照れてるだけってバレバレなんだけど笑ギャル
actionfirst1
I've been in the Cerridwen since last episodes preview, I didn't even need to know her name then, I'm only going to refer to her by "Yes, ma'am"
「先週の予告からずっとセリドゥエンにハマってるッ!名前すら知らなくてもよかった。もう俺は彼女のことを『はい、奥様』としか呼ばないと決めた」感情くん
bananeeek
I'm only going to refer to her by "Yes, ma'am" I'm going with "woof"
「はい、お嬢様」って呼ぶしかなくない!?まじでドキドキするんだけど笑ギャル
actionfirst1
Smart man
賢いやんけ2ちゃん
Frontier246
The moment I heard Sayaka Ohara I knew she was going to be a winner.
大原さやかの声を聞いた瞬間、これは勝ち確だってわかったわ。普通くん
mekerpan
"Ma'am" pronounced "mom"?
「マーム」って「マム」って読むの!?やばくね?笑ギャル
Frontier246
原文
No way Julius's origin had him suffer a childhood heartbreak, no wonder he turned out to be such a twisted Tsundere. He's even managed to outdo Sion as a tsundere for the most pettiest of reasons, that's a real pro right there. I've seen enough. Cerridwen is now my favourite character introduced in this season. Opposes Kreutz on principle. Absurdly hot. One of the strongest mages we've met. Sayaka Ohara voice. Teasing onee-san vibes. How could you not love her?
なんと…ジュリアスの過去に幼き日の心の傷が刻まれていたとは。あれほど歪んだツンデレに成長したのも、運命のいたずらというわけか。シオンさえも凌ぐ、これほど些細な理由でツンデレを極めるとは、まさに達人の領域だ。もう我が目は確かだ。ケリドウェンこそ、今期に現れた最強の存在。クルーツに原理的に反旗を翻し、灼熱のごとき美貌を持ち、最強クラスの魔導士。そして言うまでもなく、あの大原さやかの声。からかい上等なお姉さんオーラ。これを愛さずして何を愛するというのだ?中二病
bobert1201
Too bad Elfie is probably going to kill her soon after she realizes she put the moves on Will.
エルフィがウィルにちょっかい出したの気づいたら、多分すぐ殺しちゃうんだろうな…それはさすがに可哀想すぎるッ!感情くん
Frontier246
Somewhere Elfie sense a disturbance in the "other ladies propositioning Will" Force.
エルフィがどこかで「他の女性陣がウィルに言い寄る」気配を感じてるんだろうなw普通くん
Independent_Row_1352
I bet those white robes are Kreutz's design and they contain some tracker or some trap he can activate.
それ白いローブ、絶対クルーカスのデザインだろ!!なんかトラッカーとか罠仕込んでそうで怖すぎるッ!感情くん
Zero3020
Kinda impressive that Julius is still not over his childhood crush on one of his maids, and despite what he says he's still holding onto that necklace he got from her, what a baka.
ジュリウスが幼い頃にメイドに抱いた片思いをまだ引きずってて草www
「そんなんじゃない」とか言いながら、あのネックレスまだ持ってるしな
どんだけバカなんや2ちゃん
Mana_Croissant
Bro acts like his one unrequited childhood crush is some top 10 saddest anime backstory with how seriously he takes it and how much it still effects him, i am crying 😂 Bro literally shaped his entire personality off of that one crush
このやつ、小さい頃の片思いが叶わなかっただけで、まるでアニメのトップ10に入る悲しい過去みたいに深刻に受け止めてて、しかもまだ引きずってるの笑えるんだけど😂 たった一つの恋心で人格形成しちゃったのマジで草普通くん
hocuspocusgottafocus
They’re teenagers right 😂 sounds right haha
ティーンエイジャーだもんな😂 それっぽいわww感情くん
Frontier246
You can even see that with Elfie who clearly does not actually have the emotional maturity to be a Magia Vander (then again, most of them don't act like professionals) and cares more about hooking up with her childhood love interest.
エルフィを見てると明らかにマギア・ヴァンダーになるだけの精神的成熟度がないのがわかるよね(まあ、他の連中もプロらしくないけど)。彼女は幼なじみとの恋愛の方が大事みたいだし。普通くん
AceSoldia
Lol well blame the tower who only cares about power..and not anything else. Girl is like 15 or something
まじ塔のせいだろw 力しか見てねえしな…あの娘15くらいだろ笑wwwおじ
Original-Body-5794
原文
I mean that's pretty much every anime, the boss is always super powerful, it makes sense in a might makes right society I guess, but pretty much every organization in anime that's the case. An example would be Kaiju n8, the captain of the first division is really incompetent as a captain, so his lieutenant basically treats him like a child and does most of the actual leadership. He's super strong, but getting the tittle of captain is a bit much when he'd do better as just a normal soldier that you gave better weapons to. I singled out Kaiju n8 because it was the first example that came to mind and it being basically a military force is the perfect example, but you see shit like this ALL THE TIME. I guess the Peter Principle applied to anime
確かにどのアニメでもそうだよね。ボスはとにかく強いっていう。実力主義の社会なら納得できるけど、どの組織でも同じ構図だと思う。例えば『怪獣8号』の第一部隊隊長はリーダーとしてかなり無能で、副隊長が実質的に指揮してる。彼は超強いけど、隊長の称号は過大評価で、普通の兵士に良い武器を与えた方がマシだよね。ピーターの原則がアニメにも当てはまってる気がする。普通くん
Pickled_Kagura
yeah most of the magia vander seem needlessly petty in one way or another. they're just not quite as immature as elfie
まあマギア・ヴァンディス連中は大概、何かしら無駄に小物っぽいよな。エルフィほど幼稚ってわけじゃないけどさ。ドライおじ
Meiolore
Elfie's crashout is reasonable tbh, they keep pissing her off
エルフィがキレるのも当然だよね、あいつらしょっちゅう怒らせてるし普通くん
AvalancheZ250
Literally the only adult amongst the Magia Vander is Aaron, who's basically as old as anyone's grandpa. Even Cariott can act in a fairly petty and young fashion. Cariott, Zeo, Ellenor and Elfie are all just uber-talented kids with massive egos. Real funny political structure they have there. But anything to defeat the Celestial Host, I guess.
なるほど。マギア・ヴァンダーの中で実質的な大人はアーロンただ一人で、彼はもう誰かの祖父と言ってもいい年齢だ。カリオットでさえ、かなり子供じみた行動を取ることがある。カリオット、ゼオ、エレノア、エルフィーは皆、超一流の才能を持ちながらも、巨大なエゴを抱えた天才児に過ぎない。彼らの政治構造は実に滑稽だと言わざるを得ない。とはいえ、天上の主を倒すためなら手段は選んでいられない、というのが彼らの本音なのだろう。考察くん
jaytix1
His backstory would have hit harder if the maid had turned out to be using him in some way. If all she did was marry someone her age, I really don't see why "I have to be a jerk to succeed" was his takeaway.
確かに、もしメイドが何か裏で利用してたって展開だったら彼の過去編ももっと刺さったかもな。結局同年代と結婚しただけなら、「成功するには嫌な奴にならないと」って結論になる理由がイマイチわからん。普通くん
PersonalContest1423
As a kid I can see him having that reaction but how is bro not old enough now to realize "oh yeah I was like 6 and she was a grown ass woman, of course she married someone else"
ふむ…幼き頃ならその反応も理解できるが、今や年を重ねた身であれば「某が6歳で彼女は立派な大人の女、当然他に嫁いでおろう」と気付くべきであろうな。武士
sesaman
Well, the writing for the show is pretty simplistic...
このアニメのストーリー、結構シンプルじゃない?笑ギャル
supakame
Maybe he's got a thing for older women. Would be great if he ended up developing a thing for Cerridwen (or maybe I just have a thing for her)
草、年上好き説あるなw
セリドゥエンに目覚めたらワイ的にはアツいンゴ(ただのワイの好みやけどな)2ちゃん
OldInstruction5368
原文
Right? If the maid had exploited little Julius's affections for her, say, to get him to steal some jewelry for her to fence, take papers from his dad's office, or some other selfish act... That would be one thing. But this just looks like they were using two different definitions of the word "love." Which... yeah... has far too many definitions. Love, between friends. Love, between family. Love of concepts, hobbies, passion. And, yeah, love in the romantic sense. He was saying I love you, romantically, and she responded as "WE (all the servants) love you like family." And here he is acting like this femme fatale wrapped him around his finger and tricked him into betraying his own family... before dumping him for the true mastermind behind this whole scheme. Dude, you are SIX YEARS OLD. LET IT GO.
だよね。もしメイドが幼いジュリアスの気持ちを利用して、宝石を盗ませたり、父親の書類を取らせたりしてたら話は別だけど…これは単に「愛」の定義の違いでしょ。友情の愛、家族の愛、趣味や情熱への愛、そして恋愛の愛。彼は恋愛的に「愛してる」って言ったのに、彼女は「私たち使用人一同、家族として愛してるよ」って返しただけ。なのに彼はまるでファム・ファタールに操られて家族を裏切ったみたいに言ってるけど…おい、お前まだ6歳だぞ。もう引きずるなよ。普通くん
reaperfan
原文
We most likely just don't have the full story yet. My guess is that some kind of "betrayal" really did happen but it was either unintentional or entirely in Julius's head. Right now I'm basing that off of two things. First is that something significant and deliberate must have happened beyond just "they got older and life circumstances had her move on without him" for him to have taken a literal life lesson that kindness only sets you back out of it. There almost certainly must have been some particular incident where he showed kindness to someone only to have his choice come back to bite him rather than be rewarded for a worldview like that to have been created and held onto for as many years as he has. Second is that we see in the flashback that he was actually there for her wedding. Admittedly this bit is almost entirely speculation, but part of me doesn't think that, as hierarchical as their society is, nobles would just be regularly hosting and attending lavish weddings for their servants and staff. The only care they should have in regards to one of their maids getting married is the question of "so are you going to keep working here or not?" Maybe she gets some time off, but the actual nobility she works for likely wouldn't have a reason to attend themselves. The only reason I can see Julius and his family being present at her wedding would be if she was marrying into his family, thus making the spouse one of Julius's family members.
まだ真相はわかってないだけやろな。ワイの予想やと「裏切り」自体はあったんやろうけど、無意識かユリウスの思い込みやったんちゃうか。
その根拠は2つあんねん。
1. 「年取って環境変わったから仕方なく離れた」だけじゃ、あんな「優しさは無駄」って人生観を持つには不十分やろ。何か具体的なエピソードがあって、優しくした結果が裏目に出たんやと思うわ。
2. 回想で彼女の結婚式に出席してたんやけど、あの階級社会で貴族が使用人の結婚式にわざわざ参列するか?普通は「まだ働く?」って確認するだけやろ。ユリウス一家が出席してたってことは、彼女がユリウスの身内と結婚した可能性が高いんちゃうかな。2ちゃん
TheBusStop12
He's a sheltered little shit after all. That childhood heartbreak probably was the most significant thing that has happened to him so far
結局彼は世間知らずのクソガキってことだな。今までの人生で一番の出来事が幼い頃の失恋って、なかなかだね。普通くん
Frontier246
Especially when he's a rich prodigy who could basically coast on that up until he fought Will in season 1.
それなw 金持ちの天才でシーズン1でウィルと戦うまでは余裕でいけたのにね笑wwwおじ
Bad_Doto_Playa
原文
Bro the anime HAS to be leaving out details of his backstory, I was like.. wtf when I saw it. I seriously felt that I misinterpreted or missed something so I watched it again and it was just wack lmao. Tbh the one redeeming thing about Julius is that he's one of the few in the story who actually states his intentions to Will's face. Everyone else is scheming or playing games. One thing I also dislike is the head of the colourless faction being comically evil despite having an extremely logical and understandable goal. I don't know what's up with the author but he could have had a nuanced villain here but is fumbling it with the whole over the top dissection stuff. Also who invited Mika Pikazo to do the witch's character design lmao.
うーん、アニメは明らかに彼のバックストーリーの細かい部分を省いてるよな。見たとき「は?」ってなったわ。マジで何か見落としたかと思ってもう一回見直したけど、全然変わらなくて笑ったわ。ジュリアスの唯一の救いは、ウィルに直接自分の意図を伝える数少ないキャラってとこだな。他の連中はみんな陰謀とか駆け引きばっかだし。あと個人的に嫌なのは、無色派のリーダーがめっちゃ論理的で理解できる目標を持ってるのに、わざとらしい悪役になってるとこだよ。作者は何考えてんだろうな、ここで掘り下げられた悪役作れたのに、過剰な解剖描写で台無しにしてる。あと、魔女のキャラデザにミカ・ピカゾを呼んだやつ誰だよ笑。普通くん
EffectiveImportant51
原文
While I agree the author is fumbling the writing. But this is often how military structures or leaders in a time of war tend to be. It is in peacetime you might get non cartoonishly evil, and even then the leaders of most of the intelligent agencies are this way. if you view them through that lens of a standing military or police force with the upper institute being the secret research arm of that force. Some of these characters ending where they are makes sense because that is usually how it is in our reality. I have said nothing the upper institute is doing makes sense from normal perspective or even writing perspective. We all know Will is part of some prophecy, and I can accept the Magia Vander and the Upper institute does not know this stuff because it happened 500 years ago, and or it is the topmost secret of their society. But Aaron knows, and he is just like well let him figure it out. You are trying to get that dude dissected, or hating mages if he is used as a guinea pig. Why is this even being responsible?
確かに作者の筆が迷走してる感はあるけど、軍事組織や戦時中の指導者って現実でもこんなもんだよな。平時ならともかく、諜報機関のトップなんて大概こんな感じだし。上部機関を常設軍や警察の秘密研究部門と捉えるなら、キャラたちの現在地にも納得がいく。現実と照らし合わせると理にかなってるんだよ。
ただ、上部機関の行動が普通の視点や創作の観点から見ても意味不明なのは同意する。ウィルが何らかの予言に関わってるのは明白で、マギア・ヴァンダーや上部機関が500年前の秘密を知らないのも理解できる。でもアーロンは知ってるのに「自分で気付け」って放置してるだろ。あいつを解剖台に乗せるか、実験台にして魔術師嫌いを加速させる気か?それで責任取れると思ってんのか?考察くん
oops_i_made_a_typi
can't believe a kid crushing on his fucking maid that's 10-20 years older than him is all it took to form a backstory, man the writing in this is so absolutely shit. not to mention his stupid insistence on sticking to the tsundere shtick, and suicidally goading on his old enemies for...no reason at all
メイドに恋するガキンチョ設定だけで過去編作っちゃうのかよ…年齢差10〜20歳だぞ。このアニメの脚本クソすぎるだろ。しかもツンデレキャラに固執して、昔の敵に理由もなく自殺覚悟で突っかかるとかマジ意味不明。普通くん
HarshTheDev
Yeah the writing regarding julius is so off lol but as a first i actually like direction that Aaron is taking, it seems interesting and is better than the most surface level discrimination plot line that I thought it was going to take. I hope he develops more in the "we need to develop as a whole" direction rather than devolving into a mad dissector.
ジュリアス周りの描写は確かに変だな。でも俺としては、アーロンの取ってる方向性は面白いと思う。最初に想像してた単純な差別プロットよりはマシだ。彼には「全体として成長する必要がある」って方向に進んでほしいな。狂った解剖者に堕ちるのは見たくない。ドライおじ
Frontier246
原文
Bro acts like his one unrequited childhood crush is some top 10 saddest anime backstory with how seriously he takes it and how much it still effects him, i am crying 😂 Bro literally shaped his entire personality off of that one crush Some anime characters have tragic, emotionally traumatizing, family backgrounds or past that made them into jerks. Julius is a jerk because he couldn't marry his cute older maid he had a crush on. The only thing I can say is that the maid was voiced by Hocchan (Yui Horie) which I can totally understand crushing on her hard.
いやマジで笑ったわw 幼い頃の片思いを引きずって、まるで人生最大の悲劇みたいに語ってるの面白すぎるw その恋愛経験だけで人格形成しちゃったの? 他のアニメキャラは壮絶な過去とかトラウマで歪んでるのに、ジュリアスは可愛いメイドと結婚できなかったから拗らせてるだけって…。ただそのメイドの声がHocchan(堀江由衣)ってのは納得。そりゃハマるわ。普通くん
Ikari_21
Right?? after it showed this backstory I was like “THIS is why you’re a douche??? Because the babysitter got married??” Lol So ridiculous but hey it’s all good, at least he’s slowly becoming cooler with will, and I enjoy their dynamic lol
この回想シーンが流れた時、「は?お前がクソ野郎な理由って、ベビーシッターが結婚したからなのかよ!?」って思わずツッコんだわ(笑)確かに理不尽だけど、ウィルとの関係が徐々に改善されてきてて、そのダイナミクスが結構好きだな。制作陣としては、この幼少期のトラウマを彼の性格形成の伏線として配置したんだろうな。考察くん
AceSoldia
Lmao this right here. In dying. Like what bro ..what is wrong with you
笑ったwwこれマジで死ぬかと思った。兄貴マジでどうかしてるだろww感情くん
Tiny_Clock1523
It is realistic though if you consider how some men literally go mask of the moment they are rejected.
確かにそれは現実的だよね。実際に振られた瞬間に人が豹変することもあるしな。普通くん
PersonalContest1423
Except he was like 6 and the maid was grown lmao. Imagine not ever realizing that "huh expecting her to have romantic feelings for a 6 year old may have been unreasonable"
「いやでも相手は6歳でメイドは大人だろ草。6歳に恋愛感情求めるのが無理ってことに気づかないのヤバすぎるッ!」感情くん
yancovigen
Lmao I was waiting to find out she died or something. Nah she just got married what a dork
ははっ、某もてっきり彼女が死んだか何かかと待ち構えておったわ。いやいや、ただの結婚かよ。なんと間抜けなことでござる。武士
PeaceAlien
Childhood crush turned him spiteful of the world crazy
マジで子供の頃の初恋が世界を歪ませるってエモすぎるッ!やばい、その展開しんどいわ…感情くん
Frontier246
Average rabid Yui Horie fan.
普通の狂った堀江由衣ファンって感じだね。普通くん
Frontier246
He's a tsundere for the maid, he's a tsundere for Will, frankly he's probably even a tsundere to himself for his inability to be honest about his real feelings.
メイドに対してもツンデレだし、ウィルにもツンデレ、つーか自分に対してもツンデレなんじゃねーの?素直になれない自分にイラついてるっぽいし草2ちゃん
supakame
He’s gonna experience another heartbreak when Will and Elfie eventually get together
ウィルとエルフィがついにくっついたら、また失恋しそうだな普通くん
Obaruler
I mean ... as teens we all had that kind of thinking when the dream of our first crush ended up being crushed for us: Soon I'll rule the world, THEN she'll realize how wrong he/she was .... 😆
それな…思春期ってみんなそういう考え方するよね。初恋が叶わなかった時さ、「いつか世界を支配してやる。そしたらあの人の間違いに気づくはず…」って思うやつ 😆感情くん
chalo1227
Yeah I was like , dude? did you really still thinking they meant romantic love? like you are a teen now, ofc the girl that was like 18 years older than you was not in love love with you.
あのさ、マジでまだ「恋愛的な愛」だと思ってたの?もうティーンなんだし、18歳も年上の女の子が本気で好きになるわけないじゃん。普通くん
actionfirst1
Cerridwen, member of the Mommy Faction
ママ枠のセリドウェン、優勝すぎるッ!感情くん
Nesp2
You know how Julius said you need to be careful around unknown witches like that. I would do everything she would say in a heartbeat.
わかる!ユリウスが未知の魔女には気をつけろって言ってたけどさ、あの子の言うことなら速攻でなんでもやっちゃうわ笑 やばくない!?ギャル
Frontier246
Cerridwen: "Take off your clothes." "They're already off, ma'am."
草
「服脱げ」
「もう脱いでますよ奥さん」
このやりとりガチで草生えるわwww2ちゃん
actionfirst1
"My momma warned me about women like you. I was hoping she was right"
「おふくろに君みたいな女には気をつけろって言われてたんだ。その通りだといいなと思ってたよ」普通くん
DragonPup
She's mommy yet also 'eternally 20' according to the break's eye catch.
このキャラ、ママって感じなのに休憩アイキャッチでは「永遠の20歳」って出てて草じゃん笑ギャル
actionfirst1
That's elderly for anime
草、アニメ基準で年寄りって言われててワロタwww2ちゃん
JSlickJ
It really is weird watching anime knowing how much younger every character is than me now that im not far off from my 30s, it didn't even feel that long ago when anime characters were actually my age
マジそれ!30目前でアニメ見てるとさ、登場キャラみんな自分のこと年下すぎて逆に面白いんだけど笑 ついこの前まで同世代だったのにね〜ギャル
DragonPup
I felt so old when I saw the MC in Kill Blue was in his thirties.
「キルブルー」の主人公が30代って知って、自分がすごく年取った気分になったわ。普通くん
Frontier246
She's even voiced by Sayaka Ohara, who is basically almost every major MILF in anime not voiced by Kikuko Inoue.
わかるッ!声優が大原さやかってのもエモすぎる。彼女ってキッコーイン(井上喜久子)がやってないアニメの主要なママキャラほぼ全部担当してるイメージあるわ。このキャスティング優勝すぎるッ!感情くん
Divinicus1st
You have to wonder where are all the adults in this anime.
ちょっとまってこのアニメ、大人どこいったん?って思うじゃん!?
てかさ、子供だけでこんな冒険して大丈夫なの?笑ギャル
oops_i_made_a_typi
nothing about the worldbuilding makes sense tbh, pretty much all the "adults" outside of not-dumbledore are basically in their early 20s. well, Aaron is probably an older dude but I also wouldn't be surprised if they said he was 30.
世界観の設定、正直よくわかんないんだよね。「ダンブルドアじゃない方」以外の大人は全員20代前半くらいだし。アーロンは年上っぽいけど、30歳って言われても驚かないかな。普通くん
EffectiveImportant51
原文
The elves, the dwarves are clearly old, and in the mage city, there are older people NPCS who had children and such. I just think Mages are just the Marines of this world. You know how the only people old in military structures are career guys. I am guessing that is the case here too. All the mages either die in battle, die while trying to climb up or end up teaching or retiring to live a normal life. So we never truly see those people.
うーん、この考察は面白いな。エルフやドワーフが明確に年を取っている一方で、魔術都市には子供を持つNPCがいるという点は確かに示唆的だ。魔術師をこの世界の海兵隊と見なす視点は納得できる。つまり、軍組織で年配者がキャリア組だけであるように、魔術師も戦闘で倒れるか、階級を上げる過程で命を落とすか、最終的に教職に就くか引退して普通の生活を送るかのどれかだと考えられる。だから我々はそうした人々を実際には目にしないのだろう。この構造を踏まえると、ウィルのような若手が目立つ理由も説明がつく。考察くん
LBO_44
That Mad Dissector isn't even trying to learn anything from that monster body, he's just having fun randomly butchering it lol.
あのマッドディセクター、モンスターの体から何か学ぼうとか全然してなくて、ただ適当に解体して楽しんでるだけやん草www2ちゃん
AvatarTuner
I was thinking the same lol But then he said he understood something afterwards, so maybe the wild butchering is part of his actual skills. (which is still freaky) I also laughed at the katakana engrish "maddo dissektaa" which sounded so silly that I couldn't take him seriously anymore.
同意ですね。「mad do sekutā(マッド・ディセクター)」というカタカナ英語の響きが妙に滑稽で、逆に緊張感が削がれたのは確かです。ただ、彼が「その後何かを理解した」と言及した点を踏まえると、あの乱暴な解体術は彼の本来のスキル体系の一端を示している可能性が考察できます。つまり、一見無秩序に見える行動にも制作陣の意図が隠されている、という解釈も成り立つでしょう。考察くん
Frontier246
原文
I was thinking the same lol But then he said he understood something afterwards, so maybe the wild butchering is part of his actual skills. (which is still freaky) He might be a psychopath but he's efficient and gets results. I also laughed at the katakana engrish "maddo dissektaa" which sounded so silly that I couldn't take him seriously anymore. Couldn't be a Maddo scientisto, had to settle for a maddo dissektaa
ワイも同じこと思ったわwww でも後で「何か理解した」って言ってたし、あのグチャグチャな解体は実はスキルの一部なんかね?(それでもキモいけどな)サイコパスかもしれんけど有能で結果出してるってわけか。あとカタカナ英語の「マッド・ディセクター」がバカすぎて草生えたわwww マッド・サイエンティストになれずにマッド・ディセクターで妥協したんかよw2ちゃん
Northern_Ontario
It looked like his eyes glowed when he crushed the beating heart in his hand. I think the slashes are part of the skill and taking the heart is the last part.
やばっ!心臓握り潰した時に目が光ってたのマジでヤバいじゃん!?斬撃はスキルの一部で、心臓取るのが最後の仕上げって感じだよね〜ギャル
MasterDrake97
Like Sylar, for those who remember Heroes 😢
シーラーを思い出すな、ヒーローズ覚えてる人にはわかるよね😢普通くん
actionfirst1
He's taking night classes with the culinary faction, man just needs practice
まじでそれな!夜間授業で料理部に入ってるのやばくね?笑 練習あるのみって感じじゃん!ギャル
Frontier246
Kreutz: "I know I can properly prepare Will Serfort into a full course meal for the worlds' taste buds!"
「俺はウィル・サーフォートを世界の味覚に合うフルコースに仕上げられる!」ってクレイツのセリフ、厨二心くすぐられるな。普通くん
Frontier246
Kreutz: "This is purely for the benefit of mage society and to make things as efficient as possible!" Charles: "But then...why do you look like you enjoy it so much..."
クルッツ「これは純粋に魔術社会の利益のためで、できる限り効率的にするためだ!」→チャールズ「でも…じゃあなんでそんなに楽しそうな顔してるんだよ…」
このやりとりエモすぎるッ!!チャールズの核心突いた一言が刺さる…無理。感情くん
AlphaBreak
Kreutz: Because efficiency gets me hard!
クルース:「効率重視って、最高に興奮するんだよね!」普通くん
PeaceAlien
The magic slayer being captured reminds me of invincible. Wouldn't be surprised if he has more that will break free and destroy things.
ワイ「インビンシブル」思い出したわ。魔法スレイヤー捕まったって草。他にも封印されてて暴れ出すやつおるやろなあ。絶対破壊しまくるンゴwww2ちゃん
Original-Body-5794
Heh, I think the tower mages can deal with the threat easily if the monster is separated from the weapon, which yeah maybe keeping them in the same room is not the brightest idea...
は?塔の魔術師たち、武器と魔物が離れてるなら余裕で対処できるって言ってたけど……つーか同じ部屋に閉じ込めるの頭悪すぎじゃね!?感情くん
PeaceAlien
Well, I'm not saying they'll destroy everything, but they'll deal some damage
いや全部ぶっ壊すとは言わないけどさ、結構ダメージは与えんじゃね?笑ギャル
mekerpan
I do not wish the Mad Dissector well. I cannot imagine he is anywhere near Cerridwen;s (or Elfaria's level), I wonder just what she would do to him if she found out his plans?
あの狂った解剖医、絶対許せない。どう考えてもケリドウェンやエルファリアの足元にも及ばないでしょ。もし彼の計画を知ったら、彼女がどんな目に合わせるのか気になって仕方ないんだけど!感情くん
ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp
Take off your clothes You don't have to ask me twice. But seriously, what a 10/10 character design.
服を脱げって?二度も言わせないでよ。でもマジで、キャラデザが10点満点だね。普通くん
UnWiseSageVibe
Yeah the animators put so much into her design she looks so good.
マジでアニメーターさんたちめっちゃ力入れてくれてるじゃん!この子のデザインやばくない!?超かわいいんだけど笑ギャル
Frontier246
And Sayaka Ohara was perfectly cast.
確かに大原さやかは完璧なキャスティングだったね。普通くん
jonc-sleep
Not just Cerridwen but a lot of characters are well designed and interesting. Claire, Headless and the five Magia Vander are interesting.
確かに!セリドウェンだけじゃなくて、キャラデザ良すぎだしみんな魅力的すぎるッ!クラリーも首なしも五人のマギア・ヴァンダーも全員個性爆発しててエモすぎる!感情くん
Frontier246
Entrancing face and eyes + generous exposure of legs and chest + blue/red hair = a winner.
魅惑的な顔と目+脚や胸の露出が多め+青と赤の髪=勝ち確だね。普通くん
JSlickJ
toothpaste ahhh hair color, reminded me Alear from Fire Emblem Engage
歯磨き粉みたいな髪色すぎるッ!ファイアーエムブレム エンゲージのエイル思い出したわ感情くん
FoolingFinality
Wait, so you're telling me Julius became a brat because his puppy love got crushed when his crush married another man?
え、つまりジュリアスが駄々っ子になったのって、好きな子が他の男と結婚して初恋が砕けたからってこと?普通くん
NationalStrategy
You know a character's dramatic backstory misses the mark, when the audience's general response is "...... That's it? 😑" And it's not like she didn't love or cared about him at all, she just didn't love him romantically. So for him to have that as his core catalyst to change his entire personality and turn into a total asshole, feels like he simply overblew the issue.
このキャラの壮絶な過去が「……それだけ?😑」としか思えない視聴者の反応、まさにその通りだな。彼女が彼を全く愛していなかったわけじゃなく、ただ恋愛感情がなかっただけ。なのにそれを根拠に人格を丸ごと変えてクソ野郎に豹変するのは、明らかに問題を過大解釈してるって考察ができる。考察くん
bondsmatthew
when the audience's general response is "...... That's it? 😑" Broly hating Goku because he cried as a baby vibes
「......それだけ?😑」って視聴者の総意が草
赤ん坊の頃に泣かれた恨みで悟空嫌ってるブロリーかよwww2ちゃん
NationalStrategy
“But…. that’s really dumb, but he’s so cool, but that’s so dumb!”
「でも…マジでバカすぎるんだけど、カッコよすぎるんだよな…でもバカすぎるッ!」感情くん
bondsmatthew
Not sure you were down voted for what I was referring to(or at least the TFS version). Are there just not as many people who have watched TFS anymore and dont recognize it? Back in the day you could mention lines all throughout reddit and you'd get people replying. Interesting
確かに、TFS版の話をしてるつもりだったんだけど、最近はTFS見てない人が増えてて認識されないのかもね。昔はReddit中でそのネタ振ると返事が来たもんだけど。時代変わったなあ。普通くん
NationalStrategy
It is what it is
そういうもんやろ2ちゃん
ZantetsukenX
As another post said, "Teens will be teens". It's not exactly uncommon to have someone in high school base their entire personality off of spite/trauma. Especially when it comes to stuff like love.
別の投稿にもあったけど「ティーンはティーンってことだよね」。高校生が恨みやトラウマで人格形成するのって珍しくないし、特に恋愛関係だとそうなりがちだと思う。普通くん
NationalStrategy
I feel like if one of his teenaged peers learned about his backstory, they would say to him “Dude really, that’s the whole reason why you’re an asshole? You’re not a child anymore, get over it.”
ワイ「お前それだけでクズやってんのかよ…もう子供ちゃうやんけ、さっさと過去は水に流せや」って思うわ草2ちゃん
ZantetsukenX
Haha, 100%. Just because something isn't uncommon doesn't mean you still can't call out your friends about it.
はは、マジでそれな。珍しくないからって友達をツッコめないわけじゃないよね。普通くん
Tiny_Clock1523
It's more of the fact that him being kind did not get his feelings reciprocated so he went the opposite direction.
草 優しくしたらフラれたから真逆の方向に舵切ったってわけか
ワイも経験あるわガチで辛いンゴwww2ちゃん
NationalStrategy
But his kindness was reciprocated, just not romantically. But she still loved and cared about him.
確かに!恋愛じゃなくても、彼女は彼の優しさにちゃんと応えてたし、心から愛してたんだよな。それがまたエモすぎるッ!感情くん
Frontier246
原文
You know a character's dramatic backstory misses the mark, when the audience's general response is "...... That's it? 😑" I feel like it's got to be intentional on the authors' part. Or at least I hope it is. And it's not like she didn't love or cared about him at all, she just didn't love him romantically. So for him to have that as his core catalyst to change his entire personality and turn into a total asshole, feels like he simply overblew the issue. Not to justify it but I wonder if she also retired and left after she got married, which would've been another thing that pissed him off.
キャラの壮絶な過去設定が「……それだけ?😑」って反応される時点で、作者も意図的にやってるんじゃないかな。少なくともそう願いたい。彼女が彼を全く愛してなかったわけじゃなくて、ただ恋愛感情がなかっただけだよね。それを根っこに性格全部変えてクソ野郎になるって、単に問題を大げさにしすぎてる気がする。正当化するわけじゃないけど、彼女が結婚後に引退して去ったのも、彼をさらに怒らせた原因の一つかもしれないな。普通くん
kazetoame
Her leaving due to marriage might be the real trigger.
結婚で降板…それが本当の引き金だったのかも。それマジでしんどいわ…。感情くん
Frontier246
Look, not everyone can have a really psychologically traumatizing background! Sometimes it's something absolutely minor and petty lol.
確かに、みんなが重いトラウマ抱えてるわけじゃないよね。たまには些細でくだらない理由もあるってことだよな笑普通くん
OldInstruction5368
原文
It's a matter of framing. Are we supposed to roll our eyes and think "Julius is such a petty little b!tch." Or are we supposed to take this "heartbreak" seriously... even if just a little bit? Because it's fine for characters to have petty motivations for being a terrible person... but the narrative needs to make this clear how we, as the audience, are supposed to read the character. Because despite this clearly being "Julius is an obsessive creep with no self awareness," it feels like the author expects us, the audience, to view Julius in a sympathetic light. Which says more about the author than anything else.
これは見せ方の問題だよな。ワイらは「ユリウスってマジで器小さすぎやろwww」って白けるべきなんか?それともこの「失恋エピソード」を真面目に受け止めるべきなんか…ちょっとだけでも?だってキャラがクズになる動機としてしょーもない理由ってのはアリやけど…作品として「観客はどう見ればええか」を明確にせなあかんやろ。明らかに「ユリウスは自己中ストーカー」って描写やのに、作者はこいつに同情させようとしてる気がすんねん。それって作者の方がヤバいって話やろ。2ちゃん
SEBASTlANVETTEL
Elfaria worrying about all the other girls going after Will meanwhile Julius showing his possessive side too: "I am the only one who gets to use you. I won't let someone else just swoop in and steal you." That ending caught me off-guard just as Will lmao
エルファリアがウィルを狙う他の女たちを心配してる一方で、ユリウスも独占欲剥き出しにしてるのが面白いな。「俺だけがお前を使う。他の奴に横取りはさせない」ってセリフ、ウィルと同じぐらい俺も不意を突かれたわ。この対比構造、制作陣の意図が読めるな。考察くん
Kind_Survey4282
its probably his whole thing of copying elfie so well and it seems ars weiss has a down side of as the more clones you spawn the more you love will weakness.
確かに、エルフィを完璧にコピーできるのが彼の特徴だよね。それにアース・ワイスにはクローンを増やすほど弱点に愛着が湧くって欠点がありそうだな。普通くん
RedHeadGearHead
Maybe loving Will is built into the spell, considering no other ice mage has been capable of using it til now.
それな!他の氷魔法使いが誰も使えてなかったってことは、ウィルを好きになるのが呪文の条件なんじゃね?エモすぎるッ!感情くん
PeaceAlien
Now take off your clothes
えっ、ちょっと待って!急に何言い出してんの!?(笑)ギャル
Frontier246
These ice users are petty as @#%@ and won't let go of Will Serfort lol.
この氷使いどもマジでしつこいな、ウィル・サーフォートを絶対に逃がさないって感じだね笑普通くん
Aerodynamic41
Julius is such a tsundere lol.
ジュリウス、ガチツンデレやん草2ちゃん
actionfirst1
Male tsunderes are so underused in anime, we need more
確かに、男のツンデレってアニメでめちゃくちゃ少ないよな。もっと増えてほしいわ。普通くん
Beautiful-Bit3929
and this series has two of them
草、このシリーズに2つもあるとかガチやばいンゴwww2ちゃん
PeaceAlien
2 so far
まだ2話だけどまじ面白いじゃん!ギャル
mucklaenthusiast
With the way this is going, Krautz will be next lol
この流れだと次はクラウツだなw普通くん
bananeeek
I recommend Kishuku gakkou no Juliet.
「寄宿学校のジュリエット」マジでおすすめしすぎるッ!めっちゃエモいし、ラブコメとして優勝だと思う!泣いたわ…感情くん
Doranrra
Cerridwen = Cauldron thats my prediction their names pronounciation is basically the same in Japanese and Will has the incline of knowing her for a long time. So I think Cerridwen is the old hag professor Cauldron from the Wizard School at the base of the tower. Also fuck Kreutz
セリドゥエン=コルドロンだと思う。日本語の発音がほぼ同じだし、ウィルは彼女のことを昔から知ってる感じがある。だからセリドゥエンは塔の麓の魔法学校にいる老教授コルドロンだと思う。それとクルーツはマジでクソ。普通くん
Routine-Hovercraft94
原文
Considering they did similar stuff with Rosti to hint at him being a clone of Elfie, yeah. I mean, just compare their cloths lol. While Cauldron is wearing more modest cloths, the hat, necklace and rings are the exact same. Also, here are both "witches". Regarding Kreutz, no idea why they let that lunatic running around. I mean yeah, the one guy said no one knows about him being this way. Well buddy, how the fk about reporting it then!? Doesn't seem like someone you would want to have anywhere close to students.
ロスティがエルフィのクローンであることを示唆する伏線と同様の手法が使われているな。衣服を比較してみよう。カウルドロンは控えめな服装だが、帽子・ネックレス・指輪は完全に一致している。両方の「魔女」だ。クルーグに関しては、なぜあの狂人を野放しにしているのか理解に苦しむ。確かに、彼の本性を知る者はほとんどいないと誰かが言っていたが、だったらなぜ報告しないんだ!? 学生の近くに置いておくべき人物ではないだろ。考察くん
TheBusStop12
原文
Regarding Kreutz, no idea why they let that lunatic running around. I mean yeah, the one guy said no one knows about him being this way. Well buddy, how the fk about reporting it then!? Doesn't seem like someone you would want to have anywhere close to students. I've come to compare Kreutzs with Mengele. And just like Mengele IRL, someone like Kreutz probably does really well in a segregated propagandist society that claims it's all about merit, but in reality it's massively discriminatory
クライツに関してはマジで意味わからんわ。なんであんな狂人野放しにしてんだよ。確かに「こいつの本性知ってる奴いない」って奴もいたけどよ、じゃあなんで通報しねぇんだよ!生徒の近くに置いときたいタイプじゃねえだろ。ワイはもうクライツをメンゲレと比較してるンゴ。現実のメンゲレみたいに、クライツみたいな奴は「実力主義」を謳いながら実態はクソ差別社会で大成功するんだろうな。2ちゃん
Frontier246
I do wonder how many people in the upper echelons know about his secret lab and experiments, because clearly Elfaria didn't and they have to keep it that way if they're going to try to dissect Will.
上の連中の中で、彼の秘密の研究室と実験を知ってる人がどれだけいるのか気になるな。明らかにエルファリアは知らなかったし、ウィルを解剖しようとするならそのまま隠し通さないといけないんだろうね。普通くん
TheBusStop12
I think they know that he runs experiments, as Kreutzs did say last episode to everyone present that he planned to study Will. I think they just don't know how he conducts his experiments, so his love for dissection is pretty unknown. The other Magia Vander probably assume that by studying Will he means running him through different test scenarios and observe how Wis works, not cut him into pieces
クレッツが先週「ウィルを研究する」って言ってたしな。他の連中は多分「実験」って言っても、色んなシチュエーションでウィスの動き観察するくらいにしか思ってへんやろ。まさか解剖しまくってるとは夢にも思わんわ。他のマギア・ヴァンダーどもは、ウィルをバラバラにするとは思ってなさそうやな。2ちゃん
Megakruemel
"We need numbers!" Meanwhile the entire faculty is already basically 80% clones apparently.
「数字が足りない!」って言ってるけど、 facultyの8割が実はクローンってマジかよ……無理すぎるッ!感情くん
Frontier246
Doesn't seem like someone you would want to have anywhere close to students. Have to wonder if Edward knew about him from reputation which is why he was so sure Will would be targetted for experiments.
エドワードが「ウィルは絶対実験の標的にされる」って断言してたの、この教師の評判知ってたからなんやろな。生徒に近づけちゃいかんタイプやわ。2ちゃん
Routine-Hovercraft94
At the very least, the more we learn about the Tower, the more understandable it becomes that Ed did what he did. While he obviously still went to far, seeing how fked up that place in general is and that it clearly broke him, I at least can understand his reasoning.
塔の内実が明らかになるにつれ、エドの行動の動機がより理解できるようになるな。確かに彼は明らかにやり過ぎではあるが、あの場所の異常性とそれが彼を明らかに壊してしまったことを鑑みると、少なくとも彼の論理は理解できるという考察ができる。考察くん
ifticar2
Seems to me like the factions wouldn't really care if something happened to an average colorless faction mage, since they weren't special enough to be chosen
無色階級の平均的な魔導師に何か起きても、派閥はあまり気にしないんじゃないかな。選ばれるほど特別じゃなかったからね。普通くん
Vilis16
And if I remember correctly, Cauldron used Water+Fire magic during the terrorist attack. Cerridwen can use multiple elements, and her hair is blue and red, so...
え、まって!確かにカールドロンってテロの時に水と火の魔法使ってたじゃん!?で、ケリドウェンは複数の属性使えるし髪も青と赤だし…それってやばくね!?笑ギャル
Frontier246
Cerridwen can use multiple elements, and her hair is blue and red, so... She's Alear's (from Fire Emblem Engage ) mom.
セリドウェンが複数属性使えて、髪が青と赤だから…つまり彼女はファイアーエムブレム エンゲージのアレルの母親ってことだね。普通くん
AvatarTuner
The Cerridwen from Welsh mythology did posses a magical artifact called "The Cauldron of Awen" which she used to brew magical potions. Not sure if it's a coincidence or a deliberate choice of names by the author, but it would fit.
ウェールズ神話のケリドウェンは確かに「アウェンの大釜」という魔法の神器を持っていて、それで魔法の薬を醸造していたんだよな。作者が意図的に名前を選んだのか偶然なのかは断言できないが、設定と一致するという考察ができる。考察くん
PhantasosX
I mean, the more important thing is that Cerridwen is famous for making a potion of enlightment in her cauldron, which made one of her mediocre servants reincarnate as her son, the beautiful and skilled Taliesin.
確かに、ケリドウェンが大釜で作った悟りの薬で平凡な僕が美しく有能なタリエシンとして生まれ変わったって話は有名だよね。普通くん
Frontier246
Cerridwen = Cauldron thats my prediction their names pronounciation is basically the same in Japanese and Will has the incline of knowing her for a long time. So I think Cerridwen is the old hag professor Cauldron from the Wizard School at the base of the tower. I imagine Cauldron is closer to her legit age and maybe her "true form" but that doesn't get in the way of Cerridwen's hotness.
セリドウェン=コールドロン説、俺の考察を述べる。名前の発音が日本語でもほぼ同じだし、ウィルが彼女を長く知っているような素振りを見せる点を踏まえると、塔の麓の魔法学校にいる老教授コールドロンが正体だと思われる。コールドロンは彼女の本来の年齢に近く、おそらく「真の姿」なんだろう。しかし、それがセリドウェンの魅力を損なうわけではないというのが個人的な見解だ。考察くん
omarous_III
Yeah, she has the "Chaos Kettle" wand... which is basically a cauldron.
確かに彼女「混沌の大釜」の杖持ってるんだよね…要はただの大釜ってわけだ普通くん
2kenzhe
Agree and also wasn't Clairie a student of Cauldron as well? Like I can really see it being Cauldron
確かに!てかクレアもコールドロンの生徒じゃなかったっけ?私もコールドロン説めっちゃありだと思うんだけど!ギャル
Meiolore
One interesting to note is that the colourless faction still fear Elfaria somewhat. The only reason why they haven't been struck down is because Elfaria doesn't have concrete proof on what they are doing.
無色派、エルファリアにはビビってるってのが面白いンゴねwww
エルファリアが確たる証拠掴んでないからまだ潰されてないだけやろ
証拠見つかったら秒で終わりやん2ちゃん
Frontier246
Elfaria is like a ticking time bomb in the Magia Vander. Even her own assistant can barely keep her from throwing a tantrum.
エルファリアってマギア・ヴァンダーの時限爆弾みたいじゃん!自分のアシスタントでさえ、機嫌とるのに必死ってやばくね?笑ギャル
AvalancheZ250
原文
Magia Vander are just so powerful that even the factions (including the ones they're part of) fear them. The Colourless (by design), Wind, Dark and Earth factions don't have a Magia Vander so it makes sense they fear the 5 strongest Wands. Like Kreutz is probably as important as the Magia Vander in that he's the only one who cracked the Mage Slayer and seemed to have developed countermeasures to it, but that doesn't make him nearly as powerful as a Magia Vander in a duel. Not every mage is a fighter, some are scientists (or mad scientists, in Kreutz's case).
マギア・ヴァンダーって強すぎて、所属してる派閥ですら怖がってるんだよね。無色(設計上)、風、闇、大地の派閥にはマギア・ヴァンダーがいないから、5本の最強杖を恐れるのは当然だわ。クロイツは魔術殺しを攻略した唯一の存在で、対抗策も開発してるっぽいからマギア・ヴァンダー並みに重要なんだろうけど、決闘で勝てるほどの力はないよね。みんなが戦闘タイプってわけじゃなくて、中には科学者(クロイツの場合はマッドサイエンティスト)もいるってことだね。普通くん
mucklaenthusiast
I mean, I feel like this is just what's appropriate given their standings. The Magia Vander have way more political influence and their factions are clearly much stronger. I mean, the colourless faction are literally the ones left behind because they weren't strong enough. And Elfaria herself (and every other Magia Vander) is obviously leagues above Krautz or any other mage there.
せやな、立場考えたら妥当やろな。マギア・ヴァンデルは政治力段違いやし、派閥の実力も明らかに上やん。色なし派閥は文字通り「力不足で置いてかれた連中」やろ。エルファリア本人(と他のマギア・ヴァンデル)はクラウツとか他の魔術師より格段に上やしな。草2ちゃん
jooki997
Will, when Mommy Witch tells you to take off your clothes, you don't say はい? (What?), but はい! (YES!)!
「ウィル、魔女ママに服脱げって言われたら『はい?』じゃなくて『はい!』だろ!」
これマジで草。ウィルの反応がエモすぎるッ!優勝!感情くん
Frontier246
Will: "But...but I have Elfie!" Julius: "Yeah, he can only take his clothes off in front of me! Wait...NOT LIKE THAT!"
草ァ!ジュリウス爆発しろwww
「俺の前でしか服脱げない」って言い間違えワロタwww
エルフィちゃん可哀想すぎるやろwww2ちゃん
Liesianthes
Cute shots from Wil when he said Julius is kind and suddenly his face become like a girl. Also, the reason Julius become heartless is because he got heartbroken on his childhood attendant/crush. lmao. Preview looks like we're seeing a backstory.
ウィルが「ユリウスは優しい」と言った直後に急に乙女顔になるカット、可愛すぎる。そしてユリウスが冷酷になった理由が、幼少期の世話役/片思い相手に失恋したからって…笑うわ。次回予告は過去編っぽいな。この構成、キャラの内面掘り下げに重点置いてるのがわかる。考察くん
Frontier246
Will is like a puppy dog who becomes fond of a human and won't leave them alone no matter how much of a jerk they act like. We finally get Will and Elfie together! In a childhood flashback but still!
確かに!!ウィルってまさに子犬すぎるッ!相手がどんなにツンデレでも絶対に離れない感じがエモすぎる!そしてついにウィルとエルフィが一緒になった!!幼少期の回想シーンだけどそれでも優勝!!泣いた感情くん
FoolingFinality
原文
Julius really is the man who does 10 things at a time; one could say Julius is the hardest-working student, just because he can have clones, instead of it becming easy for him, it becomes extra hard. Not only does he have to maintain the clones with his mana, but he also has to keep focus on everything every clone does, as well as parallel process it. Julius really is showing all the efforts he has put in to become a top student.
ジュリウスガチで同時に10個のことやってて草www
分身できるから楽になるどころか逆に難易度上がってるやん
分身維持の魔力消費に加えて、全員の行動を並列処理せなあかんとか鬼やろ
トップになるための努力がビンビン伝わってくるわ
ワイ涙出そうや2ちゃん
chalo1227
He really is powerful , and he 100% would have been colored if he didnt tried to be a douche to Elfarias crush haha
マジで強すぎじゃん!?エルファリアの推しにイキってなければ絶対色ついてたのにね笑ギャル
Frontier246
Honestly I kind of hope Cerridwen also gives Julius some training/advice too so he can become strong enough that Elfie will have to acknowledge him (if also for the fact that he really did put in an effort for Will's sake).
確かにセリドゥエンもユリウスに指導してほしいな。エルフィに認められるくらい強くなってほしいし、ウィルのために頑張ったところも評価されてほしい。普通くん
Darksider555
It's funny how Elfie is being so vicious to anyone that tries to harm Will or any girl expresses interest towards him, meanwhile you have Cerridwen telling him to strip in front of her. So it isn't that Kreutz is underestimating Will, but that he wants to monopolize him as a test subject to weaponize Wis.
エルフィーがウィルを傷つける奴や彼に近づく女子に容赦ないの笑えるよな。一方でセリドゥエンは目の前で脱げって命令してるし。つまりクロイツはウィルを過小評価してるんじゃなくて、ウィスを兵器化するための実験台として独占したいんだろうな。考察くん
Ocixo
Elfie did ask for her help, I suppose. So maybe it’s okay with her? Then again, I doubt that Elfie had anticipated for such a “lewd” request from Cerridwen.
え、確かにエルフィが自分から助けを求めたっぽいし、本人はOKなのかもね?でもさ、まさかセリドウェンからそんな「エッチな」お願い来るとは思ってなかったんじゃね?笑ギャル
Frontier246
Honestly her only experience with Cerridwen was probably one-on-one training (I assume) together and it's probably a completely different vibe between a younger and older lady versus an older lady and two young boys...
せやな、彼女のセリドウェンとの経験って多分1対1の特訓だけやろ?若い女と年上女の間柄と、年上女と少年2人組じゃ全然雰囲気ちゃうわな…2ちゃん
Frontier246
It's funny how Elfie is being so vicious to anyone that tries to harm Will or any girl expresses interest towards him, meanwhile you have Cerridwen telling him to strip in front of her. Thank goodness Clairie's secret base seems obscured from everyone or she'd march right down there to put a stop to this lol.
エルフィがウィルを傷つける奴や彼に興味示す女にめっちゃ敵対心燃やしてるのが笑えるよな。一方でセリドゥウェンは脱げって言ってるし。クレアリーの秘密基地が隠れててよかったよ。あれバレたら即座に突入して止めに入るだろw普通くん
chalo1227
Here is the thing, what makes him think that Wies is really something that anyone can develope?
ちょっと待って、まじでアイツ何考えてんの?ウィズって誰でもなれるもんじゃないじゃん!?ギャル
mekerpan
Well, once Will is "disassembled" by the Mad Dissector, he won't be much use to any other faction.
ワイ「マッドディセクター」にバラされたら、もうどの派閥にも役立たずやろwww2ちゃん
NationalStrategy
If Kreutz's plans were to succeed, and Elfie found out about him attempting to dissect will, Elfie would snap, turn him into a block of ice, and shatter him into a million pieces.
クロイツの計画が成功して、ウィルを解剖しようとしてるってエルフィにバレたら、エルフィはキレてアイスの塊にして粉々に砕くんじゃないかな。普通くん
SpotMaleficent9900
Not really, I would expect her to have an angry look like the 10th time in this show and do absolutely nothing lol
いや、またかよって感じやなw 今回も10回目くらいの怒った顔して何もしないパターンやろwww2ちゃん
PackerBacker412
Yeah no, so far Elfie hasn't acted because they're still giving Will chances. If they ever do something to permanetely harm him, she literally will snap.
それな!今のところエルフィはまだウィルにチャンス与えてるだけだよね。でももしアイツらがウィルに取り返しつかないことしたら、エルフィまじでブチ切れるじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
NationalStrategy
Will’s gonna get dissected Elfie: 😡
ウィルが解剖されそうになってる…エルフィ: 😡普通くん
Frontier246
Elfie: "I know I say I'm going to throw a fit and freeze this place almost every episode this season, but this time I'm finally going to do it!"
やばくね!?エルフィ「今期は毎回『キレて凍らせる』って言ってるけど、今回はマジでやるからね!」って言ってるのアツいじゃん!笑ギャル
kakarot12310
Idk, just a few episodes ago she literally drop a super big sword for Will to use.
数話前、彼女がウィルに超でかい剣を落としたばかりだよね。普通くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
I didn’t realize Julius was so cute. Look at him pretending to be a giant douchebag when we all know now that he’s a big tsundere softie deep down lol. It’s a good thing Julius and Will are under Cerridwen’s care now. If she asked me to strip, I’d be down in my skivvies right about now lmao. Also, it’s much better alternative than getting dissected by Kreutz. I thought the man was just a hater but nah, he’s fucking insane. Maybe they ought to dissect him and study wtf is wrong with that brain of his.
ジュリウス可愛すぎワロタwww
「俺様系ツンデレ」やんけwww
あのデカい態度は全部ハッタリやったんか草
ケリドウェン先生の元なら安心やな。
もし「服脱げ」言われたらワイも即全裸になるわwww
クルーッツに解剖されるよりマシやしな。
あの男、ただのアンチかと思ったらマジでイカれてるンゴ…
逆にアイツの脳みそ解剖して調べたほうがええんちゃう?2ちゃん
Frontier246
When your character development basically requires you to double down on being a tsundere. The only positive thing Kreutz did was give Cerridwen more motivation to help Will and Julius.
確かに、クルーツのキャラ成長ってツンデレをさらに強化する方向にしか行かないんだよね。彼が唯一やって良かったのは、セリドゥエンがウィルとジュリアスを助ける動機を強めたことくらいだと思う。普通くん
FoolingFinality
There is something wrong with me hating on Kreutz when I like monsters like Dottore, and he is 100x worse. Maybe because Kreutz appears more deranged or uncomposed, it feels like he will be the sore loser who screams after he loses rather than accepting it gracefully.
確かにクレイツへの嫌悪感とドットーレへの好感は矛盾しているように思える。ただ、クレイツの方が狂気の質が違うんだよな。ドットーレは計画的で冷徹な悪だが、クレイツは感情の制御が効かず、敗北後に醜態を晒すタイプに見える。この「潔さの欠如」が生理的に受け付けない原因かもしれない。制作陣はあえてこのキャラクター性の差を描いていると考察できる。考察くん
crow_nagla
原文
I guess, for now it's very shallow depiction of "mad scientist", where instead of focusing on "science" we are rather presented with the "mad" side, with hope that "dissection" part somehow will breach that gap don't like writing where people talk a lot about X instead of demonstrating actual X-characteristics like here, what kind of scientist presented with unique single sample of specimen will fight the urge to dissect it as first priority? very scientific... and as result... feels very patched and dissonant
今のところ「マッドサイエンティスト」の描写が浅いよね。「科学」より「狂気」の方ばかり強調されてて、「解剖」パートでそのギャップを埋めてくれることを願うしかない感じ。Xについて語るだけで実際のXらしさを見せない書き方は好きじゃない。ここみたいに、唯一の標本を前にして解剖欲求を抑える科学者って何?すごく科学的…その結果、継ぎ接ぎで違和感しかないな。普通くん
Frontier246
He's basically your garden variety mad scientist antagonist we've all seen a dozen times.
えー、まじで!?そのキャラってさ、どっかで見たことあるような普通のマッドサイエンティスト系悪役じゃん。つまんなくね?笑ギャル
mucklaenthusiast
原文
Totally agreed. And it's not like you'd need to tweak much. Have him dissect the body and put emphasis on how much he learns by doing so. Also, reterate that he knows Will is qualified, but actively wants to use him. Also, don't have him state killing intent immediately. Obviously he should observe Will in action first and try to figure out Wis this way. Otherwise, there is a risk Wis doesn't function anymore and is just lost.
確かに同感だ。そんなに大幅な改変は必要ないと思う。彼に遺体を解剖させて、それによってどれだけ学んでいるかを強調すれば良い。また、ウィルが有能であることは理解しているが、積極的に利用しようとしていると再確認させるべきだ。殺意を最初から口にするのは避けるべきで、まずはウィルの行動を観察し、その方法でウィスを解明しようとするのが自然だと思われる。そうしなければ、ウィスが機能しなくなってただ失われるリスクがあるという考察ができる。考察くん
bananeeek
Facts.
確かにそれは事実だね。普通くん
Frontier246
"I love a woman who can kick my ass...I mean, dominate me."
やばい!俺をボコボコにできる女が好きなんだけど…ていうか支配してほしいってこと!笑ギャル
AvatarTuner
Yes, please
はい、ぜひお願いします普通くん
NationalStrategy
So the reason Julius Freezer acts like such an asshole now, was because his childhood crush on his maid wasn't reciprocated in a way that he wanted her to? I get that it would sting as a kid, but given that backstory, and he seeing how he acts now, it feels like Julius overblew the drama, and hasn't grown out of it.
ジュリアス・フリーザーが今あんなクソ野郎になってる理由、幼少期にメイドへの片思いが自分の望む形で報われなかったからって解釈できるよな。子供の頃なら傷つくのは理解できるけど、その過去と現在の行動を比較すると、ジュリアスはそのトラウマを過大に解釈して、未だにそこから成長できてないんじゃないかという考察ができる。制作陣はこのエピソードで「拒絶された感情の肥大化」というテーマを描きたかったのかもしれない。考察くん
TRUEALPHA_101
Bro on the right path to succeeding Elfie, he is already a drama queen. How long before he rises up to become an ice queen?😂
右の奴、エルフィを成功させる道に乗ってるな。もうドラマクイーンだし、アイスクイーンに昇格するまであとどれくらいだ?😂普通くん
Ocixo
> Will: “I feel like I’ve known her for a long time.” This particular line definitely piqued my interest. Where could they have possibly met before? Right now, I’m inclined to think that Cerridwen might actually be Will’s biological mother. It’s probably a stretch to conclude that Will’s purple eyes are a mix of her blue and red eyes, right?
ウィルの「ずっと前から知ってる気がする」というセリフ、確かに気になる伏線だな。彼らがどこで出会ったのか、現時点ではセリドゥエンがウィルの実母である可能性を考察できる。ウィルの紫色の瞳が彼女の青と赤の混合色だという考察は、やや飛躍しているかもしれないが。考察くん
Frontier246
I wonder if it also has something to do with those memories they tried to seal up.
それって封印しようとした記憶とも関係あるのかな。普通くん
2kenzhe
I mean maybe but I'm thinking something with Cauldron
え、それもありかもだけど、私的にはCauldron関連なんじゃないかなって思うんだけど笑ギャル
Tehoncomingstorm97
With prof Cerridwen in the spotlight, I think I was definitely feeling the right direction the show is going . Given how Kreutz is looking to chop Will up though, it's no doubt going to be even deeper than just learning to anchor every magic type with their multos teacher. Time for some secrets of Wis to be unlocked!
ケルリドウィン教授がスポットライト浴びてるの見て、ワイ的にはこのアニメの方向性は間違ってないって確信したわ。
でもクロイツがああもウィルをぶった切ろうとしてるってことは、マルクトス先生と一緒に魔法の基本を学ぶだけじゃ済まない深みがありそうやな。
そろそろウィストリアの秘密が解かれる時か!2ちゃん
Frontier246
You need a (hot) mentor for a proper training arc.
熱血トレーナーが必要だね、ちゃんとした修行編をやるなら。普通くん
Divinicus1st
I wonder when we'll find out where the adults are.
大人どこ行ったンゴねえ…いつ判明すんのやろな2ちゃん
starfruit213
Cerridwen character design 😍
セリドウェンのキャラデザ良すぎる😍普通くん
Frontier246
That sensual and serene voice!
やばっ!その声まじで色っぽくて落ち着くんだけど!!ギャル
Cold_Ad8276
Mommy is here
ママが来たぞッ!感情くん
Shimmering-Sky
Huh… Oh , that’s impressive growth for Julius. And no wonder he’s struggling a bit in front of Will. Wait, Julius’ attitude change from being a super kind kid is because the maid he liked married someone else? Ugh… Will showing up to help is exactly what I was expecting. Yeah, I can see that. Ah, that’s what his goal with Will is. Definitely want to keep Will the hell away from him, though.
あら…ジュリアス、かなり成長したんだね。でもウィルの前だと苦戦するのも当然か。え、ジュリアスの性格変わったのって好きだったメイドが他の人と結婚したからなの?うわ…ウィルが助けに来るのは予想通りだな。確かにそういうことか。なるほど、ウィルに対する目標はそれか。でもウィルは絶対近づけさせたくないけどね。普通くん
Frontier246
I know his backstory is a joke but I feel like we've all gone from "yeah, Julius had this coming and I love it" to "dang, I'm actually starting to like Julius now!"
ジュリウスの過去話ネタみたいなもんやけどな、みんな「ざまあww」から「あれ?ジュリウスちょっと好きになってきたンゴ…」に変わってない?ワイもやで2ちゃん
Mediocre-Act483
Happens more often than you think. Maybe he liked her, and the sting of seeing her with someone else got him. But like Will said, there are many forms of kindness. Like in Arifureta season 2 when that chick turned the whole castle into her minions. MC got flak for it, but he was asked to. Not to mention I'd rather be killed than forced to kill innocents
確かにそういうケースは考察するまでもなく多いよな。ウィルが言うように「優しさにも色々ある」ってのは深い。『ありふれた職業で世界最強』2期で、あの女が城ごと配下にした件も同じ構造だ。主人公は批判されたけど、依頼されたからやったわけで。むしろ無理やり無実の者を殺させるより、自分が殺される方がマシという考え方も理解できる。この選択の裏には、各キャラの倫理観の違いが伏線としてあると思われる。考察くん
KaminariOkamii
Damn Alear became such a baddy after Engage
マジでエンゲージ後のアレル、めっちゃかっこよくなったじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
DemonWraith2500
Both Julius this season are tsun
今期のユリウス、どっちもツンだな普通くん
crocoturtles
This is lowkey One piece's level of pacing. This arc should not be this stretch out. But anyway Ceridwenn can teach me some stuff too
マジでワンピース並みのテンポじゃん!このアーク、こんなに引き伸ばす必要なくない?笑 でもまあセリドウェンなら俺にも色々教えてくれそうでアリかな〜ギャル
Soggy_Association491
Character development and new nakama social link acquired, now it's time for training arc. Also Will becoming a watcher wouldn't be such a bad idea albeit for the tower getting a few big explosion here and there.
キャラクター成長と新たな仲間との絆(ソーシャルリンク)を獲得したところで、次は修行編に入る流れだな。また、ウィルが監視者になるのも、塔で多少の大爆発が起きることを除けば、悪くない選択肢という考察ができる。考察くん
Frontier246
Also Will becoming a watcher wouldn't be such a bad idea albeit for the tower getting a few big explosion here and there. He would be a great judge of talent and could also take down any mage who is acting up.
ウィルが監視者になるのも悪くなさそうだね。塔が時々ドカンと爆発するかもしれないけど(笑)。才能を見抜く目もあるし、暴れてる魔導士を倒すこともできそうだしね。普通くん
meowmix778
Julius is a bastard because as a like 6 yr old child he didnt understand why his maid wouldnt want to marry him? Man that makes him so much more unlikable. Fuck off with that "waaah I didnt learn to grow up"
ジュリウスはガチでクソやな。6歳のガキがメイドに「なんで結婚してくれないンゴ」ってキレてたとかマジでキモいわ。ワイはもうこいつ無理。「うわーん俺まだ子供やから成長できひんかった」とかほざくなや。消えろ。2ちゃん
TRUEALPHA_101
Yeah even I felt a bit off during that scene, like hello nobody told this kid about adults marrying when they come of age??
確かにあのシーンはちょっと違和感あったな。成人したら結婚するって誰も教えてないの?って思ったわ。普通くん
meowmix778
I dont know how it was meant to endear anyone to him. He was a literal child. The maid was just kinda nice to him. Its not uncommon for little kids to develop a crush on an adult/older kid. But someone should have told him grow the fuck up. Instead he joins Will's "I cant believe its not a harem" , harem.
この展開、正直どう視聴者に彼への好感を持たせようとしたのか意図が読めないな。彼は完全に子供だった。メイドがただ親切にしただけだ。小さな子供が年上の大人や子供に恋をするのは珍しくない。でも誰かが「いい加減に大人になれ」と言うべきだった。結局彼はウィルの「ハーレムもどき」に加わったわけだし。このキャラ描写、制作陣の狙いが考察しづらい。考察くん
TRUEALPHA_101
Yeah and it's crazy how persistent this dude is, like it must have been atleast more than 10 years since the maid got married off. Still he has held on to that hurt, and has shaped his entitled a**hole personality around that.
確かに、このやつしつこすぎだろ。メイドが結婚してから少なくとも10年以上は経ってるはずなのに、それでもその傷を引きずって自己中なクソ野郎の性格を作り上げてるのがヤバいわ。普通くん
meowmix778
100% that's straight up incel "nice guy" behavior
まじでそれ!完全にインセル(非モテ男)の「いい人ぶる」行動じゃん笑ギャル
OldInstruction5368
原文
Instead he joins Will's "I cant believe its not a harem" , harem. This is from the Danmachi guy. Who was really upset that people didn't take the 'main romance' of Bell x Cardboard Cuttout seriously, and instead, we kept incorrectly shipping Bell with all the other harem thotts the author kept throwing at him. With literally every single one of the harem fodder girls having better chemistry with the main character than the aforementioned cardboard cuttout... who had all of her screentime and character development shoved into a spinoff series that is... almost as long as the main series, apparently. Seriously, this bothered the author. That he would barely develop the main love interest and instead throw endless waves of woman at the main character, all with more screen time, character development, interactions with the MC, and reasons for liking him than the "main pair," but somehow, people would root for the absent cardboard cuttout on the horizon instead. I bring this up because he took that criticism into Wistoria... even if he really didn't understand it properly. This is why we get more 'screen time' with Elfie and less harem thotts hanging around Will. There is still Collette, yes, but we also have no less than THREE tsundere dudes who flipped from "jerkass" to "ride or die" for Will. TL:DR Criticism of the harem elements of Danmachi made the author replace these ladies with tsundere dues. Or in other words, Sion, Wignall, and Julius would have likely all been written as harem thotts crazy for Will if not for the fan criticism of Danmachi's main failed romance.
代わりにウィルの「信じられないハーレムじゃない」ハーレムに入ってるンゴwww ダンまちの作者の話や。ベル×段ボール女の「メインロマンス」を誰も真面目に取らなくて、代わりに全部のハーレム女と間違ってくっつけてたのがマジで気に食わなかったらしい。その段ボール女より、ハーレムのエサ女どものほうが主人公とケミストリーあるし、スクリーンタイムもキャラ成長も全部スピンオフに押し込まれてて…本編並みに長いらしいンゴwww
作者はマジでこれに悩んでて、メインの恋愛対象を全然育てずに、主人公に無限に女を投げまくるのに、なぜかみんな空の段ボール女を応援するのが納得いかんかったんやろな。その批判をウィストリアに反映させた…ちゃんと理解してないけどな。だからエルフィのスクリーンタイム増えて、ハーレム女が減ったんや。コレットはいるけど、代わりにツンデレ野郎が3人も出てきて「クソ野郎」から「死ぬまで付き合う」に豹変しとる。
要するに、ダンまちのハーレム批判で作者が女をツンデレ野郎に変えたって話や。つまりシオン、ウィグナル、ジュリアスは本来ならウィルに狂うハーレム女だったんやろな。2ちゃん
NationalStrategy
Fr, he overblew the drama, and changed his entire personality. I’d imagine if someone amongst his peers or an adult learned about his backstory, they would be like “Seriously, that’s the reason why you’re an asshole? Grow up and move on.”
確かに、あそこまで大げさにドラマチックにして、性格丸ごと変えちゃったのはな。同年代とか大人が彼の過去を知ったら「は?その理由で嫌な奴になってんの?いい加減大人になれよ」って言われそうだわ。普通くん
TRUEALPHA_101
Mangakas and their obsession into making atleast 2-3 situations in a story as over-dramatic😔
マジで漫画家ってさ、ストーリーに2〜3回は絶対過剰ドラマチックな展開入れたくなるのなんで…しんどすぎる😔感情くん
SadSecurity
Maybe that was the point. He is immature and throwing a fit over something insignificant. All because he can't let it go.
なるほど、それが意図だったのかもね。彼は未熟で、些細なことにキレてるだけだし、全部引きずってるからだよな。普通くん
TheBusStop12
Secret Lair For Single Witches is what I imagine a 29 year old single "I'm not like other girls" would call her studio apartment Looking at all those lab tubes and his love for dissecting cements it for me, Kreutz is Magic Mengele
クライツが「魔法のメンゲレ」って呼ばれるのも納得だな。彼の実験室の試験管の山や解剖への執着を見ると、まるで「私は他の女の子とは違う」と自称する29歳独身女性が自分のワンルームを「独身魔女の秘密の隠れ家」と呼ぶ感覚に近いものを感じる。制作陣が意図的に科学者の狂気と孤独を重ねているという考察ができる。考察くん
Adensty
Turns out Julius was kind as a child but decided to abandon his kindness after his childhood crush ended up leaving him. The whole thing is kind of twisted but I guess he's a mix of the Oujodere (How he looks down on others as Nobility) and Tsundere ("I'm the only one who gets to use you"). Cerridwen's character design is just PEAK and she kinda dominated the whole episode with her presence.
なるほど、ジュリアスは子供の頃は優しかったのに幼い頃の恋が叶わずに優しさを捨てたのか。結構歪んでるけど、お嬢様キャラ(貴族として他人を見下す)とツンデレ(「お前を使うのは俺だけだ」)の混合って感じだな。セリドウェンのキャラデザは最高すぎて、彼女の存在感がエピソード全体を支配してたわ。普通くん
abrasivesponge
These episodes go by so fast!
マジでこのエピソードあっという間すぎじゃない!?笑ギャル
ByahhByahh
I only have one word for Ms. Cerridwen: would.
あのセリドウェンさんには一言しかないッ…「あり」すぎるッ!感情くん
Boris-_-Badenov
"take off your clothes" wincest?
「服脱げ」ってウィンセス(笑)普通くん
Pickled_Kagura
Split-color hair, fat tits, mommy voice, and absurdly powerful? im in love
え、分け目カラーで巨乳でママ声でしかもめっちゃ強い!?やばくね!?まじで恋したわ笑ギャル
goffer54
So Julius went all around the place looking for information on how Wis with his clones, but he didn't think to relay any of that information to Will - the guy who got 100s on every written exam? I really hate how Will is "the book learner", but he never gets to do anything smart.
ジュリウス、ウィルのクローンについて必死に情報集めて回ってたのに、肝心のウィルにその情報伝えるの忘れてるやんwww 筆記試験全部100点の男やぞ? ウィルが「本で覚えた知識だけ」って扱いされて、全然賢いことさせてもらえんのマジで腹立つンゴ……2ちゃん
Liesianthes
Wil has explained that he does not know anything about Wis and Workner has an info on it so they should ask. The series is implying that the Wis is a new type of power which is not written on any book at all hence Krutz obsession over him.
ウィルはウィスについて何も知らないって言ってたし、ワークナーが情報持ってるなら聞くべきだよね。このシリーズ、ウィスはどの書物にも載ってない新しいタイプの力だってほのめかしてるから、クルツが執着するのも納得だな。普通くん
AvatarTuner
原文
The way I understood it is that Will already asked Workner and he didn't know much either. He probably just had some general knowledge but no details how it works etc. As for Julius, it sounded like he couldn't find any information in the books either. implying that the Wis is a new type of power My assumption is that it's actually the other way around. The power is so old that all records of it are either lost or deliberately hidden or destroyed. If it was a completely new power, then nobody should have any info or name of it at all. I can't remember if it was established how big the country(?) they live in is, but from what we've seen so far, they seemingly reside in their mage bubble and the barrier is not protecting the whole world but just a comparatively small area. iirc we don't know yet what is outside, so I think a lot of knowledge and skills were lost when they had erect and stay inside the barrier.
私の解釈では、ウィルは既にワークナーに尋ねたが彼もあまり知らなかったようだ。おそらく一般的な知識はあっても、詳細な仕組みまでは把握していなかったのだろう。ジュリアスに関しても、本から情報を見つけられなかった様子だった。つまり、ウィスは新しいタイプの力である可能性が高い。
むしろ逆の考察ができる。この力は非常に古く、その記録は全て失われるか、意図的に隠蔽・破壊されたのではないか。完全に新しい力なら、誰もその情報や名称を知るはずがない。
彼らの住む国がどの程度の規模か定かではないが、これまで見た限りでは魔法のバリアに閉じ込められており、その結界は全世界を守っているわけではなく、比較的狭い範囲を保護しているに過ぎない。外側に何があるかはまだ不明だが、結界を築いて内部に留まった時点で多くの知識や技術が失われたと思われる。考察くん
Goblingrenadeuser
So Kreutz said something interestin. The heavenly host only had the 5 strongest Blades and was able to completly annihilate wistoria. So where they swords?
クレッツが面白いこと言ってたな。天界の連中は最強のブレード5人だけでウィストリアを完全に殲滅したって。つまり剣はどこにあったんや?2ちゃん
ifticar2
Surprised more people aren't talking about this, as well as who Cerridwen's first love was lol. Wonder if there are 5 magia vanders with wands specifically to fight off the Celestial Hosts version of magia vander with 5 swords. And Will with Wis is a hybrid between the two sides, meant to ultimately bring peace
この点についてもっと話題にならないのが不思議だな。特に、セリドゥエンの初恋が誰だったのかとか(笑)。杖を持つ5人のマギア・ヴァンダーが、剣を持つ天界ホスト版マギア・ヴァンダーに対抗するための存在なのかどうか、気になる考察だ。そして、ウィルとウィスは両陣営のハイブリッドであり、最終的には平和をもたらすための存在だと思われる。考察くん
Goblingrenadeuser
I didn't even think as far as the 5 swords vs 5 wands, but you are right. Even that there is a history between the celestial host and Wistoria is new info (So far it was sold as the host appeared and fucked stuff up) Raises the question if it might even be a Attack on titan situation, where our POV faction where the bad guys.
確かに5本の剣vs5本の杖ってとこまでは考えてなかったわ。天界の軍団とウィストリアの間にも因縁があるって新情報だな(今までは軍団が現れてめちゃくちゃにしたって話だったし)。もしかしたら進撃の巨人みたいに、俺たちの視点の勢力が実は悪役ってパターンかもね。普通くん
diabetes_mellitus
He didn't say that, it's a bad translation. He said たった五振りの最強がいたところで天上の侵略者には歯がたつまい, which, given the context, I'd translate to "Even the strongest blades won't be a match for the Celestial Host if there's only five of them". He's making an argument for quantity over quality. And it's just blades, not Blades. A capital-S Sword would be 剣.
ちゃうちゃう、それは誤訳やで。原文は「たった五振りの最強がいたところで天上の侵略者には歯がたつまい」や。ワイなら「たった5本しか最強のがおらんかったら、天上の侵略者には敵わへんやろ」って訳すわ。つまり数が質に勝つって論法やな。しかもBladesじゃなくてただのbladesや。大文字のSwordなら「剣」になるわ。2ちゃん
VioletOrchid85
Bewbs
おっぱいだね普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Hot waifu Cerridwen will train them
やば!セリドウェンが訓練してくれるってまじで!?激アツじゃん!ギャル
FoolingFinality
Julius, being addressed as kindhearted Young master, really feels wrong, even if he had mellowed down from his 1st appearance. I really want to know what turned this kindhearted young master to whatever we got in S1. Was Julius always kindhearted, or was his kindheartedness limited to a few people, just like Wignall? Now that will be another question.
ジュリアスが「心優しい若様」って呼ばれてるの、ちょっと違和感あるな。S1の登場時より丸くなったとはいえ、あの姿になる前は何があったんだろう。元々優しかったのか、それともウィグナルみたいに一部の人にだけ優しかっただけなのか…それが気になるね。普通くん
sM92Bpb
The pacing is too slow
遅すぎるッ!ペース配分がクソすぎてイライラするわ感情くん
TRUEALPHA_101
It was quite the challenge to focus on the plot this episode, cuz it was completely overshadowed by Cerridwen's "plot" lol. Top notch character design with a very likeable personality, oh I'm mad excited to see more of her in the future❤️.
今回のエピソード、ストーリーに集中するの大変だったわ。だって完全にセリディーンの「プロット」に目が行っちゃってたもんね笑。キャラデザも最高だし性格もめっちゃ好感持てるし、今後の彼女の活躍が楽しみで仕方ない❤️普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Funny how the two tsunderes around Will are both guys lol. I really like this development for Julius. It's funny how he claims he's helping Will out of self interest, but he's clearly worried for him, and unfortunately for him, he's being reminded of his first love so there's no escape for him. He's going to become very attached to Will lol. Julius exhausting himself by multi tasking like that is crazy though, it really shows how strong he is. I'm glad Iris called Elfaria out lol. Julius picking a fight with those three that attacked him was satisfying, I like how he didn't back down even if it was outnumbered. So Kreutz is actually a very disturbing individual, great. I hope he gets exposed. The idea he has about using the mage slayers to help mages sounds good, but his methods clearly are not. It doesn't seem like he sees Will as a person. Cerridwen is interesting, I like how playful she is. It's cute how much she's endearing the youthfulness of Julius and Will, she's got front row seats to wholesome entertainment. That is until she told them to strip lol.
ウィルの周りにいる二人のツンデレがどちらも男ってのが笑えるな。ジュリアスのこの成長は本当に良い。自分は自分の利益のためにウィルを助けてると言い張るけど、明らかに心配してるし、しかも初恋を思い出させられて逃げ場がないというね。彼は絶対ウィルに深く執着するようになるよ。ジュリアスがあれだけマルチタスクで自分を追い込むのは狂気じみてるけど、それだけ彼が強いってことの証明でもある。アイリスがエルファリアを呼び出したのは良かった。ジュリアスが自分を襲った三人に喧嘩を売ったシーンはスカッとしたな。数で不利でも引かなかったのがいい。
クロイツは本当に危険なやつだな、良いキャラだ。暴露されることを願う。魔術狩りを使って魔術師を助けるっていうアイデア自体は良さそうに聞こえるけど、明らかに手段が間違ってる。彼はウィルを人間として見てないように思える。ケリドウェンは面白いな。彼女の遊び心ある態度が好きだ。ジュリアスとウィルの若々しさを可愛がってるのが微笑ましい。健全な娯楽を最前列で楽しんでる感じだ。服を脱げって言うまではな。考察くん