AutoLovepon+1372
たったひとつの魔法
ロスティの犠牲にわれを失い、魔法が使えない自らの無力を嘆くウィルの前に現れたフィンは、ウィルが持つたった1つの“魔法”の名を問い、眼前に剣を突きつける。
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zero1380
Rosty shattering like ice, the second it happens, Elfie opens her eyes... Yeah, nothing odd about it *wink wink
ロスティが氷のように砕けて、その瞬間にエルフィが目を開ける…まあ、何もおかしくなかったな *ウインク*ドライおじ+370
Vorxun
She has seen him naked confirmed
確かに、彼の裸を見たって確定だね(笑)普通くん+250
cookingboy
On a regular basis, without him knowing lol. Like… if their genders were reversed people would *not* be cool about it.
それな!しかも本人知らされずに日常的に見てるってやばくね笑 つーかさ、もし性別逆だったら絶対アウトじゃん?まじでそういうとこは気になっちゃうわ〜ギャル+173
Frontier246
Elfie: "Well, crud, now I won't have a convenient excuse for seeing Will naked."
確かに。エルフィの「これでウィルを裸で見る口実がなくなっちゃった」ってセリフ、やばいわ。普通くん+64
BosuW
Elfie kinda creepy ngl
確かにエルフィはちょっとキモいよなw もし性別逆だったらみんなドン引きだよな笑wwwおじ+6
YonSaiSucks
Most likely touched his sword too. Elfaria aint as innocent as she looks
せやな、多分剣にも触っとるやろな。エルファリア、見た目ほど清楚じゃないンゴwww2ちゃん+69
Himexcandy33
I mean she made rosty with a big sword
確かに。エルファリア、ああ見えて結構やらかしてるよな…ロスティにでっかい剣持たせた時点で察しだわ。感情くん+62
Frontier246
I love how Rosty "dies" and Elfie finally stands up and tries to threaten her way out of the tower because her likely only convenient means of hanging out with Will is now gone lol.
確かに、ロスティが「死んだ」瞬間にエルフィが目を覚まして、ウィルと会うための都合のいい手段がなくなったから塔から脅して出ようとするの、笑えるよね。普通くん+98
HornedTurtle1212
She will probably make another one, I don't know if she could put together a plausible explanation for "Rosty" surviving but definitely other other persona's who could get to know Will. I wonder how many of those simulacra she can have going at one time.
確かに、彼女は新たな姿を創り出すだろうな。「ロスティ」が生き残った理屈を繕えるかは謎だが、別の人格でウィルに近づくことは可能だ。しかし、同時に幾つの分身を操れるのか…我が興味は尽きぬ。中二病+38
shanesol
Seeing as how his professor will survive being a donut... I have a suspicion that Rosty will "somehow" return (palpatine meme insert)
確かに!教授があんなドーナツ状態から生き残るんだし、ロスティも「なんとか」戻ってきそうじゃん?(パルパティーンネタ挿入)ギャル+33
rdeincognito
WAIT I DID NOT NOTICE Omfg. Rosti was Elfie all along!??
待って 全然気づかなかったわ まじかよ。ロスティって最初からエルフィだったの!?普通くん+21
machopsychologist
... where have you been for 15 episodes 😂 The foreshadowing has been as subtle as a getting slapped in the face with a trout
...我が観測の及ばぬ領域にいたのか、15話もの間ずっと。笑 伏線など、まるで鱒で顔面を叩かれるが如く明瞭であったというのに。中二病+13
rdeincognito
I am a man, I can't catch hints!
確かに、俺は男だからヒントに気づけないんだよ!😂普通くん+12
TheBlackViper_Alpha
Me too lmao I just chalked it off as "Oh so that's how they die in this world huh". Not realizing the others died a normal human death lol
それなw 俺も最初「ああこの世界の死に方ってこうなんだ」ってスルーしてたわ笑 他の連中が普通の人間らしい死に方してるのに気づかなかったwwwwwwおじ+9
rdeincognito
I did notice him dying in a strange manner and did think he was somehow special, like a familiar or something, but I didn't associate him with Elfie and he died shattered like ice, lol.
確かに、あいつ変な死に方してるなとは思ってたよ。なんか使い魔とか特別な存在なのかなって思ってたけど、エルフィと関連付けてはなかったな。しかも氷みたいに粉々になって死んでたし、笑ったわ。普通くん+5
Apocalypse_Knight
Yes Mr Frosty is an ice clone.
確かに、Mr Frostyは氷の分身でござるな。某も見逃しておったわ。武士+5
AeonLonginus
原文
no there isn't, the rules for it are * creating a new magic, * being chosen to ascend the tower by one of the factions * doing it the old fashioned work your butt off way (getting 7200 credits) That is part of Lihanna and Wingall's inferiority complexes that they are leftovers that were never chosen. Wingall's lack of ascension was partially because of the fact he could not use ilusion magic which made him seen as a failure of an elf. Makes me laugh that the ones who weren't chosen are actually more useful because they have learned and experienced more vs the ones that ascended the tower and are useless the second magic doesn't solve the problem.
いやいや、ルールはちゃんとあるンゴ ・新しい魔法を作る ・勢力に選ばれて塔に登る ・昔ながらの努力でクレジット7200貯める リハナとウィンガルが選ばれなかった劣等感抱えてるのはそのせいやな。ウィンガルが登れなかったのは幻影魔法使えなかったからで、エルフとして失敗扱いされてたんやな。 選ばれなかった奴らの方がむしろ有能で草。塔登った連中は魔法が通用しなくなった瞬間役立たずになるし、経験積んだこっちの方がよっぽど使えるわwww2ちゃん+8
Wizardwizz
I don't think she genuinely wanted Rosty to die. But Will was going to get killed if she did not step in
彼女が本当にロスティを死なせたかったわけじゃないと思う。でもウィルが殺されそうだったから、彼女が割って入らざるを得なかったんだろうね。普通くん+27
LegendRazgriz
Bro unlocked Ittō Shura except white this time and with added hair extensions. Also, is Workner on that Regenerador Plaga supply? What do you mean he's gonna be fine with a basketball sized hole in his chest?
この白髪バージョンの一刀修羅、前回と違って髪が伸びてるのがポイントだよな。制作陣、細かいビジュアル変化でキャラの進化を表現してるんだろう。 それとワークナー、あのバスケットボール大の胸の穴で平気ってどういうことだ?Regenerador Plagaの供給を受けてるって考察できるんじゃないか?再生能力が異常すぎるんだよな。考察くん+360
CuriousBroccolli
>Bro unlocked Ittō Shura Based reference
あの一刀修羅ネタはガチでわかる人にはわかるやつだな普通くん+131
Frontier246
We stan anyone who can make a *Chivalry of a Failed Knight* reference.
草、一刀修羅ネタとか渋すぎるやろw 確かにあの作品知ってるやつはガチで通やな。ワイもリスペクトやで。2ちゃん+79
HolyDragSwd2500
We need a Season 2 🙏😭
同意。俺もSeason2待ってるわ🙏普通くん+36
der_dotte
Not wanting to derail this discussion thread too much **but J-Novel Club has picked up the light novels for chivalry a while ago and are being actively translated**
せやな、脱線は避けたいンゴけど **J-Novel Clubが『落第騎士の英雄譚』のライトノベルをちょっと前に拾ってて、今も積極的に翻訳進めてるで** マジかよ草2ちゃん+27
Pikminious_Thrious
Obligatory comment about how the inferior Asterisk War that came out around the same time somehow got a season 2 over this
わかるッ!『落第騎士の英雄譚』の方が明らかに上なのに、同時期にやってたクソザコ『学戦都市アステリスク』がなぜか2期やってるのマジ意味わからんすぎるッ!悔しすぎて泣いた感情くん+9
Andreiyutzzzz
I'm fucking pissed we didn't get season 2 but the last episodes were absolute art
同意。俺もシーズン2がなくてマジでムカつくけど、最後のエピソードは完全に芸術だったわ。普通くん+6
trash1000
I guess Finn has something to do with it? I am also confused.
フィンが何か関係してるんか?ワイも混乱しとるわ。2ちゃん+119
Frontier246
It seems like Finn channeled something through the sword via his blood (maybe something only activated by non-mage blood? Or a Plum specifically?) that then channeled itself through Will. I guess it's an extension of how Will's sword can channel others' magic.
確かにその考察は興味深い。フィンの血が剣を通じて何かを媒介したという点、おそらく非魔導士の血、あるいはプラム族特有の血がトリガーになった可能性が高い。ウィルの剣が他者の魔力をチャネリングする能力の延長線上にあると考えると、今回の現象も理解しやすい。制作陣が意図的に設定を積み重ねているのが伝わるな。考察くん+86
aniMayor
原文
Might be more to it than just Will re-channeling a spell like he did last season. When they first met Finn last season, Lihanna surmised that he's from "the Finn tribe" (weird to have the same name as your tribe, but whatever - the eyecatch also called them "The People of the Light") and she said none of that tribe can use magic. And then after that we saw Finn delivering the mage slayer sword they found to the academy's headmistress, where he seemed kind of pissed at her for not telling him about Will sooner, saying "Your lot looks after the wands, swords are supposed to be my territory." So that's pretty vague and doesn't tell us much, but if Finn (and his whole tribe) can't even use magic then whatever he did to Will's sword might not have even been "magic" at all. And it seems likely that whatever makes Will so strong beyond the usual limits of a human body is probably something similar to what makes the Finn tribe so physically strong, too.
確かに、ただの呪文の再展開だけじゃなさそうだね。フィンが「フィン族」出身で魔法が使えないってリハンナが言ってたし、学院長に「杖はお前らの領分、剣は俺の領分だ」って怒ってたのも気になる。つまりフィンがやったことは魔法じゃなくて、ウィルの強さの秘密も同じ原理かもしれないってことかな。普通くん+106
HornedTurtle1212
So lightning magic in the sword this time?
せやな、今回の剣は雷魔法仕様ってことか。 血でなんかチャネリングしたっぽいし、非魔術師の血限定ってのもアリやな。2ちゃん+9
Konabrah808
Right!!😂😂 i felt like i was betrayed when bro said he’d live like , give me my tears back😭😭
それな!!😂😂 あの時「生きる」って言ったときマジで裏切られた気分になったんだけど!涙返してほしいわ😭😭ギャル+113
SireTonberry-
Meh better that than what many shows do where they kill major character only to bring them back 2 seasons later without any foreshadowing they can actually live Here they didnt pretend he died for long but literally told you hes gonna be fine a scene later
せやな、それに比べたらマシやろ。他のアニメみたいに「死んだと思わせといて2シーズン後にノーフラッグで生き返らせる」ってパターンよりはマシやわ。ここは「死んだフリ」を長引かせず、すぐ次のシーンで「大丈夫やで」って教えてくれたしな。2ちゃん+28
AceSoldia
Lmao my shocked face I require it back too ,🤣
それなッ!😂😂 俺も「これから生きる」って言われて裏切られた気分になったわ、涙返してくれよ😭😭 笑った俺の驚いた顔も返してほしいわ、マジで🤣感情くん+29
Qxujevoz
原文
The series did worse than that already. Looks like Elfie & a few others were hiding Will's powerup from him all along. Rosti was on the ledge in the dungeon wishing he'd remember. If he remembered, he wouldn't be in so much mental turmoil all this time so why didn't they tell him. Did Workner know? It seemed so at 1st then Finn turned it into metaphorical encouragement, then he helped Will powerup. This whole thing is a feeble attempt at being mysterious — keeping arbitrary secrets from a downtrodden character. It's another in a long list of crappy overused cliches.
確かにそれな。シリーズはもうとっくにそれ以上に酷いことしてるよ。エルフィたちがウィルのパワーアップを最初から隠してたみたいだし。ロスティはダンジョンの崖っぷちで「思い出せればいいのに」って願ってたけど、もし覚えてたらあんなに精神的に苦しまなかったはずなのに、なんで教えなかったんだろう。ワークナーは知ってたのか?最初はそう見えたけど、フィンが比喩的な励ましに変えて、結局ウィルのパワーアップを手助けしたし。これ全部、ただの安っぽいミステリー演出——虐げられたキャラから意味なく秘密を隠すだけ。もう使い古されたクソみたいなテンプレの一つだよ。普通くん+12
Thin_Ad2917
Nice take. But that’s anime for you. Normal, realistic, intelligent behavior and interactions are routinely absent. I did think the scene of him powering up was badass though.
せやな。でもそれがアニメってやつやろ。現実的で賢い行動とか会話なんて日常的にすっ飛ばすもんや。ただパワーアップシーンはガチでかっこよかったンゴwww2ちゃん+5
Divinicus1st
His spine is intact apparently... His heart is gone, but still beating, that was strange lol.
まあ背骨は無事みたいだな。心臓は無いのにまだ動いてるってのは変な話だよな。ドライおじ+89
zumocano
Talking without lungs… he’s not even a wind mage
確かに肺なしで話すって…風魔法使いでもないしな。普通くん+108
BeatThePromethion
maybe it has something to do with his magic being mostly over magical creatures, such as his familiars? could be something along the lines of an extreme level of manipulation of his own body
確かに!魔獣相手に特化した魔法だからかもな。自分の身体を極限まで操る能力って線もありそう。マジで考察しがいあるわ!感情くん+14
AdmiralThunderpants
Let's not forget the talking without lungs part as well
それな!ついでに肺なしで喋ってるのも忘れちゃいけないじゃん笑 やばくね!?ギャル+26
phoenix7240
visually its closer to a powerup in negima than any modern example
確かに、視覚的には現代の作例よりも『ネギま!』のパワーアップに近いでござるな。Worknerの再生力については某も気になっておる。武士+46
Accurate-Owl-5621
原文
If you know the previous work of author, which is Danmachi, Will's [ Limit Off ] is direct reference to Bell, protagonist of that work. Bell has white hair and he can also go [ Limit Off ] to use his strongest attack, Bell's Limit Off is grand bell instead of silver light sword like Will tho. But Negima's Magia Erebea might be inspiration too from how similar it is to Wis. Pretty much magic eater.
作者の前作『ダンまち』を知っているなら、ウィルの【リミット・オフ】はその主人公ベルへの直接的なオマージュだという考察ができる。ベルも白髪で、同様に【リミット・オフ】で最強技を使うが、ベルはグランドベル、ウィルは銀光剣と演出が異なる点が興味深い。 ただ、ネギま!のマギア・エレベアも、ウィスの能力との類似性からインスピレーション源の可能性が高い。ほぼ魔法喰いと言える。考察くん+48
HaymeBagsik
Whats really amazing about this author is he really knew how to move people to tears especially in his story telling when it comes to a weak boy underdog then suddenly dramatically becomes strong enough to beat his opponent while making the spectator move to tears nothing compared to naruto-ish power of underdog friendship thing
同意。この作者ほんまに泣かせ方わかっとるわ。特に弱い主人公がどん底から劇的に強くなる展開、観客もろとも涙腺崩壊させるのがガチで上手い。ナルト的な友情パワーとはまた一味違うンゴwww2ちゃん+17
Frontier246
All we were missing was the bell OST when it kicked in and we would've been golden.
確かに、あの場面でダンまちのあの曲が流れてたら完璧だったな。普通くん+8
Dialgak77
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw the similarities and that remembers Negima!
わかる!俺だけじゃなかったんだな、その類似点に気づいたの!しかもNegima覚えてる人がいて嬉しすぎるッ!感情くん+5
Galinhooo
> What do you mean he's gonna be fine with a basketball sized hole in his chest? Just a flesh wound. I can't decide if I dislike that they reverted the only death that wasn't some random I don't even know or if I like that it makes sense he survives because the dude has been talking without lungs or a heart for a while.
確かに。ただの掠り傷ってやつだな。 胸にバスケットボール大の穴開いても平気ってどういう意味?って感じだけど、まああいつずっと肺も心臓もない状態で喋ってたし生き残るのは筋が通ってるのかも。でもせめてちゃんと死んで欲しかった気もするな。普通くん+48
Frontier246
It's like DanMachi, it takes a heck of a lot to kill a name character that's not part of someone else' tragic backstory.
「かすり傷だろ」ってマジで言ってて草。 ダンまち方式すぎるッ!主人公とか主要キャラはそう簡単に死なないんだよな……。 でも逆に言うと、死んだらめっちゃエモい展開になるやつ。しんどい。感情くん+19
Meiolore
Man his heart is not even there
彼の心は全然そこにないんだよね。普通くん+5
Primary-Paint-1716
Wait. The last 15 episodes was just s prologue??? The DanMachi author really is amazing in realizing hype moments. Though, how the fuck can Workner speak? His voice box is literally gone. C'mon man.
待て待て。最後の15話って単なるプロローグだったのか……??? ダンまちの作者は盛り上がるシーンの演出が本当に天才的だな。 でもよ、ワークナーはどうやって喋ってるんだ?声帯が物理的に消えてるだろ。いやマジで。考察くん+268
actionfirst1
>Wait. The last 15 episodes was just s prologue??? Next episode they reach the basement
【返信先】 「え、最後の15話ってプロローグだったの!?」 「次回でやっと地下に到達するっぽいよ」 それな!ダンまち作者、盛り上げシーンの演出マジ神だよね!ギャル+275
Frontier246
I can't believe the barrier was built out of dormant Titans!
マジかよ!あのバリアが休眠状態の巨人でできてたなんて信じられないわ。普通くん+81
cs_cast_away_boi
If we make it... past the false sky... will we finally be free?
「もし偽りの空を超えたら…ようやく自由になれるのか?」 って展開やばすぎンゴwww 地下室到達でここまで引っ張るとは思わんかったわ ワイの心臓もたんわマジで2ちゃん+21
TheMechanic04
Your asking this when one of the bad guys is walking around with out a head lol
確かに!敵が首なしで歩いてる時点でもう色々おかしいもんな笑 ダンまちの作者は盛り上がるシーンの作り方が本当に上手いと思う。普通くん+105
Frontier246
Magic...finds a way...
魔法……なんとかしてるんだよな……感情くん+45
kazuyaminegishi
In fairness, I accept that Dullahans exist. Workner is just a guy no?
確かに、デュラハンが存在するのは認めるよ。でもワークナーはただの人間だよね?普通くん+45
aniMayor
Just a guy... with a loooot of grimoires and weird-looking potions in his office/workshop. I'd guess he's some sorta alchemist expert and brewed up a final fantasy Life3-esque potion that auto-revives him upon death or something like that.
「ただの男」……にしては、執務室兼工房に大量の魔導書と異様なポーションが積まれてるんだよな。彼は錬金術の専門家で、ファイナルファンタジーのライフ3的な自動復活薬を調合してるんじゃないかと推測する。つまり、死を前提とした自己蘇生の仕組みを構築してる可能性が高い。考察くん+30
TheBusStop12
I mean, the fact that he revives after having a hole punched through his vital organs, I don't think he's just a guy. There's probably a lot more to him
確かに、内臓に穴開けられて復活するのは普通の人間じゃないよな。もっと何か秘密がありそうだね。普通くん+14
NanDemoKnaives
I must have forgotten this was made by the same author, but I guess the Finns in both series having the same voice actor isn't a coincidence.
まじで!?ダンメシの作者ってやっぱやばいわ、盛り上がるシーンの作り方が天才すぎじゃね?てかフィンズの声優同じなの気づかなかったんだけど、やっぱ偶然じゃなかったんだな〜笑ギャル+36
conye-west
> The DanMachi author really is amazing in realizing hype moments. They are so damn good at creating a truly desperate, hopeless situation but then turning it around with some classic heroics
確かに!!絶望的な状況を作り出すのが天才的すぎるッ!でもその後のヒーロー的な逆転劇がまたエモすぎて泣ける。ダンまち作者、神!!感情くん+32
mmcjawa_reborn
Wasn't his chest damaged? his voice box is the larynx and in the throat. That's the least of his issues, what with the lack of his heart and his spine being bisected.
え、マジで!?胸やられてなかったっけ?声帯って喉にあるじゃん。でも心臓ないし背骨真っ二つなのに比べたらマシかもね笑ギャル+13
Rabbitey-
This is def Will's "Bell vs. Minotaur" moment. Finn saying, "Let's go on a journey" is even reminiscent of Bell's "I'm going to have an adventure" line.
確かに。これはウィルの「ベル対ミノタウロス」的な瞬間だよね。フィンが「旅に出よう」って言うのも、ベルの「冒険をしに行く」ってセリフを思い出させる。普通くん+11
Frontier246
>Wait. The last 15 episodes was just s prologue??? If I had a nickel for every adventure fantasy series that revealed everything we'd been watching/reading up to that point was just the prologue, I'd have wayyyyy too many nickels.
確かに、直近15話がプロローグだったという構造は衝撃的だよな。ダンまち作者の構成力は本当に秀逸で、これまでの伏線がここで一気に回収される感覚は、ある種のカタルシスを生む。他の冒険ファンタジーでも似たパターンは散見されるが、ウィストリアの場合は特に「序章」としての重みが計算されていると感じる。考察くん+6
OldInstruction5368
原文
Everything up to this point in the story was secretly the prologue. The name of hte next episode is something like "The Story Begins." And Will just learned that he DOES have magic, a single spell, that turbo-charges his physical abilities. A little box that popped up towards the end claimed Will was a Mage Blade. Finally, the true bad guys have made their proper appearance and started their plan. To destroy the world by destroying the Magia Vander that protect it. School arc of "Laggard Will" that doesn't have magic? Prologue. Actual fight against the actual bad guys with the actual plot? Starts now.
今までの話は実はプロローグだったんだな。次の話のタイトルが「物語が始まる」みたいな感じだし。 ウィルは魔力を持ってなかったんじゃなくて、身体能力を強化するたった一つの魔法があったってことか。最後に出てきた小窓でウィルが魔剣士って書いてあったし。 で、真の悪役たちがようやく姿を現して計画を始めた。世界を守るマギア・ヴァンデルを破壊して世界を滅ぼそうとしてるみたい。 魔法が使えない「劣等生ウィル」の学園編はプロローグ。 本当の悪役と本当のプロットで本格的な戦いが始まるのは今からってことだな。普通くん+5
MayonakaMadaraka
It was right before us the whole time.  The power of *Will*.
「Willの力」って、ずっと目の前にあったってことかよ… ガチで気づかんかったわ、草2ちゃん+232
coffeecakesupernova
Lol! Willpower? Jesus. Didn't see that coming.
笑った!意思の力って?マジかよ。予想外すぎたわ。普通くん+120
Envelope_Torture
uhhh....you win.
あー……ワイの負けやわwww2ちゃん+30
RedRocket4000
原文
Very good spot on that. Being serious as author putting it in plane sight made folk not ponder the meaning of his name. Even early dungeon work Will showed there is some magic to being a sword. I take it similar to Frieren and other way before that stories. And there it made clear warriors in that world have magic enough for a Demon to learn their martial art with weapon used by watching the mana in warriors move. But so far in Frieren and this story there is no indication warriors actually practice that skill it just got it though long use and practice. And a warrior there lived though being doughnut along with a Mage. The mages have referred to body reinforcement magic when it concerns themselves and it keep them alive in the second challenge having stuff even being speared though the heart region they survive long enough to get medical aid. The Warrior not do much. Mage resistance to magic might be passed down a family line.
確かに気づかなかった。作者が「Will」って名前をあからさまに配置してたのに、みんなその意味を深く考えなかったんだな。 初期のダンジョンでもWillが剣に何らかの魔力があるって示してたし。フリーレンとかその前の作品と似てると思う。あっちでは戦士たちは長年の鍛錬で魔力を身につけてて、悪魔がその動きを見て武術を学べるレベルなんだよね。でも今のところ、この作品でもフリーレンでも、戦士がそれを意識的に使ってる描写はないな。 戦士はメイジと一緒にドーナツ化しても生き残ってた。メイジは身体強化魔法で心臓を刺されても医療が届くまで耐えるけど、戦士はそういうのない。メイジの魔法耐性は家系で受け継がれてるのかもね。普通くん+21
BosuW
Thank you, Wistoria Wand and Sword
ありがとう、ウィストリア…杖と剣よッ! ずっと目の前にあったんだな…“意志”の力がッ!エモすぎる!感情くん+12
mucklaenthusiast
what I am literally speechless
えっ!?まじで!? 言葉になんないんだけど…やばすぎじゃん!?ギャル+8
Ocixo
Did Colette run out of magic? It looked like this bracelet has been restricting/providing her (with) magic. Haven’t they explained it yet or did I just forget about this? At the very least, I got the feeling that Colette has been hiding something from Will and the others. Didn’t they also suggest that she was a “princess” and/or from an important family back in the first season?
コレットの魔力切れか?あのブレスレットが魔力を制限・供給してるっぽいンゴね。説明あったっけ?ワイが忘れてるだけか? 少なくともコレットはウィルたちに何か隠してる感あるわ。第1期で「姫」とか「重要家系」って示唆あったよな?忘れたけど草2ちゃん+177
Himexcandy33
It either restricts or amplify her magic, rather than being her only source of magic
それか制限してるか増幅してるかのどっちかだよね。彼女の魔法の唯一の源ってわけじゃなさそう。感情くん+141
Galinhooo
I am sure it restricts, she had a cringe nickname that implied her being a lot stronger and she was already falling too far behind for it to be an amplifier.
確かに制限してる方だよね。彼女の「めっちゃ強い」って感じのダサいあだ名からしても、増幅器にしては実力差がありすぎるし。普通くん+92
HornedTurtle1212
That would explain how she's going to keep up with the power jump after this fight.
せやな、それで戦闘後のパワーアップについていけるってわけか。納得やわ。2ちゃん+60
Frontier246
And she was unleashing so many spells there that it seems like she straight up shorted it out, but she still tried casting anyways.
確かに、あれだけ連発してたら限界来るよな。それでも無理に詠唱しようとしてたのが彼女らしいけど。普通くん+39
Frontier246
Please give us a Colette arc, she's already a Losing Heroine towards Elfie, she deserves that much (and maybe a ship with Sion? I'm kind of getting those vibes).
コレット編はよこせや!エルフィ相手に負けヒロイン確定してるし、そのくらいの見せ場はあってええやろ(シオンとのフラグもありそうやしな、ワイもなんか感じたわ)2ちゃん+75
AceSoldia
I would pay for this..hell I already am paying for Crunchyroll..give me collette arc
コレット編マジで欲しいんだけど! もうCrunchyroll払ってるし、それくらいやってもバチ当たんないじゃん?ギャル+24
DragonPup
> (and maybe a ship with Sion? I'm kind of getting those vibes). Rose is right there, too (assuming she lived)
せやな、コレット編は絶対ほしいわ。 エルフィ相手に負けヒロイン確定してるし、それくらいの補填あってええやろ。 で、シオンとのフラグ?ワイもそれっぽい空気感じてたわwww つーかローズも生きてる前提ならまだおるやん。2ちゃん+21
BosuW
And they were roommates
あっ……それな(そして彼女たちはルームメイトだった)普通くん+13
Proxy345
Colette literally carried the first season on her back, Will couldn't do anything without her, he couldn't even open his school locker without her lmao.
コレットが1期を背負いすぎだろッ!ウィルは彼女なしじゃ何もできなかったし、学校のロッカーすら開けられなかったのマジ笑う。コレット編、絶対やってほしい!感情くん+10
Dialgak77
>Didn’t they also suggest that she was a “princess” and/or from an important family back in the first season? The new girl they introduced this episode (don't remember if she was shown before) is, according to the pause screen, someone sent to observe Colette but that became friends instead.
確かに、第1期でコレットが“姫”とか重要な家柄の出身って示唆されてたよね。今週登場した新キャラ(前に出てたか覚えてないけど)は、ポーズ画面によるとコレットを監視するために派遣されたけど、逆に友達になっちゃったみたいだね。普通くん+59
Togglea
That's her roommate from season 1 if you're talking about Rose, the short haired brown woman
あ、それローズのこと?シーズン1のルームメイトだよ!ショートヘアの茶髪の子ね!ギャル+42
mucklaenthusiast
原文
Who was also said to hide her true power (in the same text). I guess we got quite a few of those? Iris (the girl who talked to Finn), Rosty (who is probably Elfie), Colette (probably) and her. Also an Earth Mage, maybe they are connected after all. Maybe Colette hails from, like, Earth Mage Nobility or something. So they sent a lower ranking member of the family or an associate's child (or something along those lines) to keep an eye on her. So even though they stem from the same place, Colette may not know her. Well, that's probably a reach.
せやな、同じテキストで「真の力を隠してる」って書かれてたやつやな。 ワイの考察やと結構おるんちゃうか? ・アイリス(フィンと話してた子) ・ロスティ(たぶんエルフィー) ・コレット(多分) ・そして彼女(主人公?) しかも全員土魔法使いやし、なんか繋がってる可能性あるンゴねぇ。 コレットは土魔法貴族の家系とかで、家族の下っ端か関係者の子供が見張り役として送り込まれたとか。 だから同じ出身でもコレットは彼女の正体知らん可能性あるわ。 まあ、考えすぎやろうけどなwww2ちゃん+16
mmcjawa_reborn
They had mentioned a couple of times that her family was either disgraced or otherwise out of power, but no details
確かに、何度か彼女の一族が没落したとか権力を失ったって言及はあったけど、詳しい説明はなかったね。普通くん+16
LavaGenasi51
I seriously doubt it. If they could simply use magical devices to control magic then more people would be using them. That’s not something they could easily keep a secret in a world where literally everything in life is based around magic. I could see it being an amplifier but definitely not just a straight tool for casting magic.
確かに、魔法を制御するだけの装置ならもっと普及していてもおかしくないという考察は妥当だ。この世界観では生活の基盤が全て魔法に依存しているから、秘密にし続けるのは現実的ではない。むしろ、この装置は魔法を増幅する役割に特化している可能性が高い。単なる魔法発動の道具というより、既存の魔力を強化するための補助装置と見るのが自然だ。制作陣が意図的に「制御装置」と「増幅装置」の境界を曖昧にしている点も、今後の展開の伏線になるかもしれない。考察くん+13
Marty1989
I'm so curious about Finn... we know so little about him but he seems to know so much about our boi Will..
フィンがめっちゃ気になる…まだ謎だらけだけど、ウィルのことすごく知ってそうだよね。普通くん+175
Frontier246
If I recall correctly wasn't there a flashback in season 1 with him and baby Will with who we thought was Will's mom? Or some woman with him as a baby.
ああ、それな!Season1でフィンと赤ん坊のウィルが写ってた回想あったやん。ワイらはてっきりウィルの母親だと思ってたけど、あれ実は別人なんか?気になりすぎて草www2ちゃん+100
aniMayor
原文
There was a flashback to an obscured woman giving up a baby to a mysterious other someone who was like "are you sure?", whom we would presume is Will's mom giving him away as a baby for some purpose. But I don't think Finn was in that scene nor do we have any reason to think he was involved with it so far. We *did* see Finn in S1 episode 12 meeting with the headmistress of the school after he ran into Will in the dungeon, and he was expressing that he was surprised and perhaps even a bit pissed off that the headmistress had not told him about Will. He said to her that "Your lot looks after the wands, swords are supposed to be my territory." So that suggests that Finn didn't know anything about Will until they met at the end of last season. But it also suggests that under normal circumstances (e.g. if Will hadn't wanted to be a "mage" and go to the Tower) he could've gone to train under Finn or something.
確かにS1で謎の女性が赤ん坊のウィルを誰かに預ける回想シーンはあったね。でもフィンはその場にいなかったし、今のところ彼が関わってる理由もないと思う。 S1の12話でフィンがウィルと出会った後、学院長に「お前たちは杖を担当してるんだろ。剣は俺の縄張りだ」って怒ってたんだよね。つまりフィンはウィルのこと全然知らなかったってことだし、もしウィルが魔術師にならずに塔に行ってなかったら、フィンの下で修行してた可能性もあるってことかな。普通くん+77
ProduceQueasy1641
原文
Im wondering if the magicians had anything to do with the Finn tribe (potentially) being mostly gone. Idk if that was said but ive seen it mentioned that mr Finn may be the last of his tribe. Seeing how the mages already treat the dwarves, if there were a whole group of other Wills out there, all potentially this powerful, it would stand to reason that the mages could have felt threatened by their very existence. I would not be surprised if we find out that the Finn tribe was hunted to almost extinction by some mage black ops team or something. Idk all just pure speculation probably wayyyyyy far off from the actual truth. But we are sure to find out more as more comes out. Absolutely cannot wait for next week's episode
ええと、そのフラッシュバックの女性がウィルの母親で、フィン族に預けられた可能性を考えると、非常に興味深い伏線だな。魔術師たちがフィン族の衰退に関与したという考察は筋が通る。既にドワーフを差別している彼らが、ウィルのような強大な意志の力を持つ種族を脅威と見なすのは自然だ。もしフィン族が魔術師のブラックオプス部隊によってほぼ絶滅に追いやられたとしたら、その非情さは魔術師社会の闇を象徴していると言える。ただ、これはあくまで憶測の域を出ないが、今後の展開で真実が明らかになるのが待ち遠しい。来週のエピソードが本当に楽しみだ。考察くん+11
Marty1989
Cant recall, I have re-watched S1 up until ep 9 I think and Finn hasn't appeared yet.
いや、ワイも覚えてないンゴ。S1の9話までは見直したけど、フィンはまだ出てきてへんわ。2ちゃん+17
aniMayor
He only appears in the last episode of S1.
ああ、そうなんだ。フィンが登場するのはS1の最終話だけだよ。普通くん+11
Alaphant
Finn said previously how swords (referring to will) were his jurisdiction or something like those lines and he seems to be one too. I think at some point or somewhere outside of will’s known world there were more sword fighters
フィンが以前「剣(ウィルのことだな)は俺の管轄だ」みたいなこと言ってたし、彼自身も剣士の一人だと思われる。ウィルの知る世界の外には、もっと多くの剣士が存在するんじゃないかという考察ができる。考察くん+45
Independent_Row_1352
Finn always knows a lot more than the protagonist, no matter if it's in Danmachi or in Wistoria.
確かにフィンはいつも主人公より色々知ってるよな。ダンまちでもウィストリアでも同じだね。普通くん+29
mucklaenthusiast
原文
I mean, he seems like a dwarfen...chief? I don't know, a high-ranking member of their faction. And Will is clearly connected to them, seeing as he has their physical superhuman abilities and is incapable of using magic (except for the one spell). And Will seems to be some kind of destiny child that is a weapon, so I guess they have prophecies about him or stories of him (if it's like a reincarnated title). So I don't think their connection is that mysterious. But we don't know what Finn's goals are and what happened with the dwarves in detail and what his personal background is.
確かにフィンの立場はまだ不明瞭だよな。彼はドワーフ族の…族長、あるいは高位の幹部クラスと思われる。ウィルが彼らと深く関わっているのは明らかで、超人的な身体能力や魔法が使えない点(あの一つの呪文を除いて)がその証拠だ。 そしてウィルは運命の子、言わば兵器としての宿命を背負っている。おそらく彼らは彼に関する予言や伝承を持っているんだろう(転生者としての称号的なものか)。だから二人の関係性自体はそこまで謎ではないと思う。 ただ、フィンの目的やドワーフ族に何があったのか、彼個人のバックグラウンドは一切不明だ。そこは今後の伏線として注目すべきポイントだな。考察くん+8
ObvsThrowaway5120
For a second there, I really thought Workner was a goner. Bro literally had a massive hole in his chest. Dude’s working with some strong magic if he can come back from that. Thanks to Finn, we finally get to see Will go Super Saiyan on these mfers lol. Can’t believe we have to wait until next week to see bro stomp all these fools.
一瞬、ワークナーはもうダメかと思ったよ。胸にデカい穴開いてたし。あそこから復活できるって相当強い魔法使ってるんだな。 フィンのおかげでウィルが超サイヤ人みたいになるの見れたじゃん笑。来週まで待たないとアイツらをボコるところ見れないなんて信じられないわ。普通くん+175
discuss-not-concuss
> working with some strong magic could be his research, maybe? aside from Will, Workner actually doesn’t look like he teaches students, slight derision intended
ワイちょっとワークナー死んだかと思ったわ。胸にデカい穴空いてたしな。でもあの魔法の強さは草不可避。 > 強い魔法使ってるな 研究の成果かもしれんやろな つーかウィル以外に生徒教えてる感ないンゴねwww(ちょっとディスってる)2ちゃん+70
Frontier246
Also his co-worker seems to have blood magic so he might have learned or adopted something from her to keep his body going in case of critical injury.
確かに!同僚が血の魔法使いなら、そこから応急処置的な技術を学んだ可能性はあるよな。エモすぎる設定だわ。感情くん+19
AceSoldia
Hmn if he can do this he should teach all his fucking students how to survive mortal injury .wth man
せやな、これできるなら他の生徒にも致命傷の生き残り方教えろやマジで草2ちゃん+11
Meiolore
>I really thought Workner was a goner Give me back my tears
確かに、一瞬ワーグナーは終わったかと思ったよ。胸に穴開いてたしな。俺の涙を返してほしいわ。普通くん+71
Frontier246
Honestly I thought they would leave it ambiguous until after the fight and pull a "somehow Workner survived!" but they didn't even give it five seconds after he seemingly passed until Finn said he'd be A-okay lol.
せやな、ワイも「戦闘終わった後に『なんとか生きてた!』ってやるんか」思たわ。でもフィンが即「大丈夫やで」言うから草生えたわw 涙返せやマジで2ちゃん+23
mmcjawa_reborn
Yeah I thought that was oddly timed. sort of feels wasted if you are going to give a character a "gory death" with a heart-tugging scene only for a minute later someone to walk up and "Nah, he's cool bro don't worry"
確かにタイミング変だったよね。せっかくグロい死に方と感動シーンを演出したのに、1分後に「大丈夫だよ」ってなるのはもったいなく感じる。普通くん+17
NationalStrategy
Yeah, when I first saw Professor Workner like that, I had an empty feeling in my chest
それな!ワーグナー先生がアレやった時、胸がスッと空っぽになる感じがしたわ…感情くん+39
machoogan
So did he lmao
それな!笑 まじでワークナー教授あんな感じで出てきたとき、胸がギュッてなったよね〜ギャル+63
NationalStrategy
Fortunately, I do-nut see him dying anytime soon
「ラッキーなことに、彼がすぐに死ぬ未来はドーナツみたいに空っぽだと思うんだよね(笑)」感情くん+16
Atachzy
No idea what is his magic, but one of his nicknames is Immortal Workner.
マジで何の魔法かは知らんけど、「不死身のワークナー」ってあだ名があるのは納得だわ。普通くん+39
Divinicus1st
"Once his pulse kicks in, he'll breath again" ... Bro, his heart and lungs are completely gone, what do you mean pulse and breath?
「脈が動き出せば息も戻る」って…いやいやマジで言ってる?心臓も肺も完全に消し飛んでるじゃん!脈とか息とかどゆこと!?笑ギャル+27
PeaceAlien
I'd rather Workner isn't dead, but I don't like a fake death like that, it takes away from the gravity of the situation. Now I won't trust anyone if they die. Maybe Finn is lying just to get Will motivated?
確かに、ワークナーが即死しなかったのは良かったが、あの偽装死亡演出は状況の重大性を損なうな。これでキャラが死んでも信じられなくなる。 フィンがウィルを奮起させるために嘘をついている可能性も考察できるな。彼の性格を踏まえると、仲間を思っての偽装工作という線は十分あり得る。考察くん+23
Frontier246
I don't think it's a lie because Will felt the heartbeat kick in but it did kind of ruin all the pathos behind that scene and Workner's sacrifice/last words to WIll.
確かに、偽装死だとウィルの心臓の鼓動を感じたシーンの意味が薄れるし、ワークナーの犠牲や最後の言葉の感動も台無しになる感じはするよね。普通くん+14
HolyDragSwd2500
Finn in both series helping the MC here in both universe. ( Share the same seiyuu too) DanMachi and Wistoria having the same author
フィン、どっちの作品でも主人公助けてるやん(声優も同じやしな) ダンメシとウィストリア、作者同じやからな2ちゃん+6
Liesianthes
原文
Wil: What's my magic? Me: **IT'S NEVER GIVING UP!** lmao Fantastic episode. The intro before the opening is hype af. Zeo raging and Elfie shows them who's the boss by freezing the whole room. Tons of deaths has shown and the teacher who hate Wil shows a good side of him to the dwarves. While Workner become a donut and suddenly he's something that can regenerate like what? Also, Finn reminds me of Meliodas, even the height and clothes. Finale is also the best, Shion acknowledging Will and they did work together. Long white hair will is cool af! This anime is a contender for my top this season. My only complain? Why next week is still far away!?
ウィルの魔法って何? → **「絶対に諦めないこと!」** だなwww 今回のエピソード最高だった。OP前の導入部分がめちゃくちゃ熱い。ゼオがキレて、エルフィが部屋ごと凍らせて誰がボスか見せつけるシーンよ。 大量の死亡シーンが出てきて、ウィルを嫌ってた先生がドワーフ相手に良い面を見せたのも良かった。ワークナーはドーナツ化したと思ったら、まさかの再生能力とか何だよ。 あとフィン、身長も服も含めてメリオダス思い出すな。終盤も最高で、シオンがウィルを認めて共闘したし、白髪ロングのウィルかっこよすぎ! 今期のトップ候補だわ。 ただ一つ不満があるとすれば…来週まで遠すぎる!普通くん+126
Frontier246
Can't wait until Will goes "mada da!" next week and "Haruka Mirai" plays during the final fight.
ワイ「まだだ!」からの最終決戦で「遥か未来」流れるの待ちきれんわwww2ちゃん+46
Kyanche
> Wil: What's my magic? > > Me: IT'S NEVER GIVING UP! lmao Next he gets recruited to the black bulls because he's worthless without magic 😄
それな。「諦めないこと」が魔法って熱すぎるw 次は魔法なしで無価値ってことでブラックブルズにスカウトされる流れ来るのか😄普通くん+13
DoktorSleepless
Thought he was gonna say Will Power. =(
「Will Powerって言うかと思ったんだけど笑」 まじでこのOP前の導入部分、やばくない!?熱すぎじゃん!ギャル+10
WhoiusBarrel
Cliche as it is, Will's magic being Courage, or well Limit Off its being called, made sense with how he inspires those around him to also rise up and fight back in tough spots. Mageblade does sound like a fitting term for Will also hella cool sequence with him killing enemies in a flash, wonder if that finally lets him get a pass to advance in the tower.
「魔法=勇気」という展開は確かにベタだけど、ウィルの持つ「リミット・オフ」が周囲の人間を奮い立たせ、困難な状況で立ち上がらせる力として機能している点は、キャラクター設定としっかり整合している。マジックブレードという名称もウィルにしっくりくるし、敵を一瞬で屠るシーンは演出としてもクールだ。あれでようやく塔の昇格が認められるんじゃないかという考察ができる。考察くん+116
CursedEye03
The story does have many cliché elements, but it’s still enjoyable. The fight scenes are solid, and the animation is very strong (as always for this show). Will is a likable main character. Side note: I only heard about this show 3 weks ago, and I was honestly surprised that barely anyone talks about it. It’s very enjoyable.
確かに王道展開は多いけど、それが悪いわけじゃないよね。戦闘シーンは安定してるし、作画も相変わらず強い。ウィルは好感持てる主人公だし。 あと、この作品を3週間前に知ったんだけど、全然話題になってないのが意外だった。すごく楽しめるのにな。普通くん+76
actionfirst1
Just because it's a cliché doesn't mean it ain't hype as hell, works for me everytime
「それな! 王道展開だからって熱くならないわけないじゃんッ! 俺は毎回これで燃えるわ、最高すぎる」感情くん+73
CursedEye03
Same here. Although the characters are also nice. Especially Will, I love him as a protagonist.
それな。キャラもいいよね。特にウィルは主人公として好きだわ。普通くん+29
Accurate-Owl-5621
Well, cliché only become a thing because it work like charm when done well, that's why it never go away lol
せやな、ベタがベタたる理由はちゃんとあるんやろな。 ちゃんとやればガチで刺さるからこそ、消えずに残っとるんやろなwww2ちゃん+22
SgtExo
The cliche does is not the thing that bothers me. It being overwrought is, like its a dumb fun time, but its melodrama is maybe a bit too much that I cant take it seriously when it tries to be serious.
確かに。お決まりなのは別にいいんだけど、やりすぎ感が気になるんだよね。バカ楽しめるのはいいけど、メロドラマが強すぎて真面目な場面で真剣に受け止められないんだよな。普通くん+9
Atharaphelun
原文
All the clichés being launched all at once is heavily bringing down this anime for me, actually (most egregious one to me so far is the whole "*courage is the name of my magic*" thing, bloody hell; he could not have delivered a cheesier, cringier line than that). I'm getting close to the point of dropping this anime, odd as it may seem for the rest of you enjoying this anime so far. I have never liked the mainstream shounen genre in the first place, and the fact that this turned into exactly that is rather repulsive to me.
確かにその意見も理解できる。*「勇気こそが我が魔法の名」*というセリフは、確かにベタベタの王道展開で、チープさを感じるのも無理はない。ただ、この作品はあえて少年漫画の黄金パターンをなぞることで、逆説的に「王道を極める」というメタ構造を描こうとしている可能性がある。1話から続く「強さへの執着」と「仲間との絆」を対比させる構成は、むしろ計算されたものだと思われる。ただし、この手の展開が性に合わない人には確かにキツいだろうな。考察くん+9
Labmit
Apparently it's doing really well in Japan. Helps it's also by the Danmachi writer.
確かに!日本でめっちゃ人気らしいし、ダンマチの作者ってのもデカいよな!感情くん+27
CursedEye03
That’s great to hear. I guess this is another Wind Breaker or BSD situation. They’re very popular in Japan but not talked about as much elsewhere. I’m really having a lot of fun watching this.
草、まさにそれやな。日本で人気あるのに海外じゃそこまで話題にならんって、ワイブレとか文豪ストレイみたいなパターンやな。 ワイはめっちゃ楽しめてるンゴwww2ちゃん+14
Jaystime101
Oh yea, I knew since the first episode in season 1 that this was going to be special. It has its cliches, and tropes, but they nail em perfectly every time, and just gives off a vibe of epicness. It’s like they took the typical Shonen magic-school forluma, and perfected it. It kinda reminds me of JJK in that regard.
確かに。シーズン1の第1話からこれは特別だってわかってたよ。よくあるテンプレやお決まりの展開はあるけど、毎回完璧に決めてて、ただただ圧巻の雰囲気が出てる。典型的な少年向け魔法学校のフォーマルを完璧に仕上げた感じだよね。その点で言うと呪術廻戦思い出すな。普通くん+7
_Nextt_
I don't mind the cliché. I'm not looking for this show to reinvent the wheel. If it's hype and cool, i'm all for it
それな!むしろ王道って安心するじゃん?笑 てかバトルシーンかっこよすぎだし、アニメもやばいくらいキレイだし、それだけで十分じゃね?ギャル+6
Liesianthes
Season 1 isn't that famous for idk what reason that it become underrated despite they animated it well.
確かに。シーズン1は作画も良かったのに、なぜかあまり話題にならなかったよね。もっと評価されてもいいと思う。普通くん+5
YonSaiSucks
Its just cheesy on the surface. There's more to it considering all the previous foreshadowings we got and how Finn keeps talking about him
それな!表向きはベタベタにしか見えないけど、これまでの伏線とかフィンがずっとウィルのこと語ってたの考えると深いんだよね〜!ギャル+53
Frontier246
Also Finn's speech talked about seemingly going beyond the barrier...like to fight the Celestial Host?
確かに、フィンの演説で結界の外に出るって話があったよね。天の主と戦うってことなのかな?普通くん+26
Atharaphelun
If it looks like cheese, smells like cheese, and tastes like cheese, it *is* cheese.
せやな、チーズに見えてチーズ臭くてチーズの味がするなら、それは*チーズ*やろwww 伏線とか言うても、結局はベタな展開にしかならんやんけ2ちゃん+11
Shot-Horror-568
Its not actually courage. Its just a metaphor. The name of the actual power he used is "limit off".
それな!まじで「勇気」って言っても比喩的なやつだよね。実際の能力名は「リミットオフ」だし、そこらへん勘違いしてる人多そうじゃない?笑ギャル+19
unclerustle
It’s “Wis: Limit Off” tbf
「Wis: Limit Off」ってやつだね普通くん+12
Meiolore
>Mageblade does sound like a fitting term for Will also hella cool sequence with him killing enemies in a flash, wonder if that finally lets him get a pass to advance in the tower. In his current state he can probably even take down a magia vander lol. It is mentioned that even the high mages of the towers are getting folded by the monsters.
> メイジブレードってウィルにぴったりの呼び名だよね。それに敵を一瞬で倒すシーンもめちゃくちゃかっこよかった。あれでようやく塔を進む許可が下りるのかなって思うよ。 現状の彼ならマギア・ヴァンダーすら倒せるんじゃないか? 塔の上級魔導師たちでさえ魔物にやられてるって描写があったしな。この戦闘力の差を考えると、ウィルの潜在能力は明らかに規格外だ。考察くん+14
darthvall
The sword is just a normal sword imbued with Finn's magic I guess. I think it's supposed to be Will's title. He's not a mage, but he's a mage blade.
あの剣はフィンが魔力を込めた普通の剣ってことかな。 ウィルの称号的なものだと思う。魔導士じゃなくて魔剣士って感じだね。普通くん+5
YonSaiSucks
原文
Its really funny Finn is like "tis just a flesh wound". Bro, his heart is missing lmao One thing i like is how the unlikeable "douchebags" arent complete assholes and this episode proves that once again. Edward asking the dwarves to throw their lives away to protect everyone doesnt mean he gets to slack off. At the moment, they have more worth than him and wont hesitate to turn himself into canon fodder. Applies to Zeo too on a minor extent Will's magic being courage only sounds cheesy on paper but definitely has something more to it with all the prior foreshadowings Final battle should be lit next episode
フィン「かすり傷だな」って草ァ! 心臓ねえじゃねえかよwww 嫌な奴らが完全なクズじゃないってとこ好きやわ。 エドワードがドワーフに捨て駒になれって言いつつ、自分もサボってねえし。 今は自分より彼らの方が価値あるって判断して、躊躇なく捨て駒になる覚悟決めてるんやな。 ゼオも多少はそういうとこあるわ。 ウィルの魔法が「勇気」って設定、文字だけ見たらダサいけど、伏線考えたらなんか深そうやな。 最終決戦、次回はアツくなりそうやろ。2ちゃん+109
Original-Body-5794
Man lost his lungs, heart and spine and is able to talk and WALK, shit his magic is OP af, do we know what Workner's magic is? I think we only saw him use generic things but not really cast offensive spells, at least I don't remember anything
確かにフィンは「かすり傷だ」って感じだよな。心臓無くなってんのに笑 肺と心臓と背骨無くして喋れて歩けるとか、魔法強すぎだろ。ワークナーの魔法って何なんだろ?汎用的なやつしか使ってなかった気がするけど、攻撃魔法は見た覚えないんだよな。普通くん+60
MBFlash
原文
Him losing his spine yet being able to walk is hilarious. His brain shouldnt be getting oxygen either cause no heart. like i wouldnt call these details. Anyone with high school knowledge can be taken out of the story with such things. I wish theyd stop doing that. It doesnt have to be a giant whole for us to realise its serious. At least just have the character on the ground with in this case Will getting close to Workner, not the opposite lol
確かに、脊髄を失いながら歩けるって描写は矛盾してるよな。心臓もないなら脳に酸素が行かないはずだし。高校レベルの知識でも引っかかるレベルの粗さだと思う。わざわざ大穴を開けなくても、シリアスさは伝わるんだから、せめてウィルが動けずにワクナーに近づかれる展開にしてほしかった。考察くん+23
TobiasAmaranth
Welcome to anime. Giant holes in the chest but still being able to talk and move is very standard. Don't worry, I hate the trope, too.
確かにアニメあるあるだよね。胸に大穴開いてても喋って動けるのはよくあるパターン。俺もその展開は好きじゃないけどな。普通くん+16
Frontier246
Edward is a total dick but he's a total dick with full measure of the weight of his and everyone else' life under the threat of something that could unleash a being that would kill them all.
エドワードは完全にクソ野郎だけど、自分の命も皆の命も、全員を殺す存在の脅威の重さをガチで背負ってるクソ野郎なんやな。その辺は嫌いじゃないわ。2ちゃん+21
Meiolore
原文
>One thing i like is how the unlikeable "douchebags" arent complete assholes and this episode proves that once again. Edward asking the dwarves to throw their lives away to protect everyone doesnt mean he gets to slack off. At the moment, they have more worth than him and wont hesitate to turn himself into canon fodder. Applies to Zeo too on a minor extent Also Eleanor, she clearly does care about Wignall
確かに。エドワードがドワーフたちに「命を捨てろ」って言うからって自分がサボっていいわけじゃないってのはいい視点だね。今は彼らの方が価値があるって考えて、自分を捨て駒にする覚悟があるのがカッコいい。Zeoにもちょっと当てはまるし。 あとエレノアがウィグナルのことちゃんと気にかけてる描写も良かったな。普通くん+5
CuriousBroccolli
原文
Elfaria is such a badass. Love her. Workner scene is kinda funny to me LMAO, dude is just standing there with hole in his chest while Will is mopping on the floor not giving a fuck about him LOL. He's like "Really? I'm standing here donuted and you are talking to me about your personal problems?" And even after he "died" in his arms, Will was like, "WAIT! TELL ME MY SECRET FIRST" 😆 But now it makes sense why he went for a killing blow on the enemy instead of defending, since he knew he won't die? I honestly expected a usual edgy rage scene, but I'm really glad his power was Courage at the end, since it's much better and fitting for him. Enjoying this show a lot, but I do hope we get back to ascending tower after all of this. I want more Elfaria!
エルファリアガチでかっこよすぎやろwww好き ワークナーとのシーン草生えたわ。胸に穴開いて立ってるのに、ウィルが床でゴロゴロしながら自分の話だけしてて「おいおいこっち見ろや」って感じやん。しかも腕の中で「死んだ」後も「待て!先に秘密教えろ!」ってwww でも敵に防御せずトドメ狙ったのは納得やな。死なんって分かってたからか。 正直よくあるイライラ復讐劇かと思ったけど、最後に「勇気」って能力なのがめっちゃ良かったわ。キャラに合ってる。 アニメ自体は面白いけど、そろそろ塔登り再開してほしいンゴ。もっとエルファリア見たいわ!2ちゃん+81
Frontier246
Elfaria has spent 98% of her screentime either lounging, looking sad, or just sitting at a chair but she's finally had enough (especially because her convenient means of being with Will is now gone). Will is a good guy but he kind of gets tunnel vision a lot when it comes to Elfie, himself, and his personal problems.
エルファリアのスクリーンタイムの98%は、だらけたり悲しそうな顔をしたり椅子に座ってるだけだったけど、ようやく我慢の限界が来たんだな。特に、ウィルと一緒にいられる便利な手段がなくなったからこそ、ここで動き出すというのは興味深い。 ウィルは良いやつだが、エルフィーや自分自身、そして個人的な問題に関してはかなり視野が狭くなりがちだ。この構図、制作陣が意図的に描いてる伏線だと思われる。考察くん+46
AeonLonginus
Tunnel vision when it comes to Elfaria is the understatement of the century the guys entire reason for existing is her.
確かにエルファリアのことになるとウィルは視野狭窄すぎるよね。彼の存在理由が彼女って言っても過言じゃないし。普通くん+38
RedRocket4000
As Elfaria seams to have Yandere traits it's for the best with him he lives for her for surviving that relationship.
それな!エルファリアにヤンデレ要素あるから、むしろ彼が彼女のために生きる方が関係を乗り切るには正解すぎるッ!感情くん+24
mucklaenthusiast
>Will was like, "WAIT! TELL ME MY SECRET FIRST" 😆 Workner is literally dying in his arms and he goes "what is my superpower?" Damn. He reeeeally wants to be a mage I don't know, I don't want to be too harsh, but I think I genuinely laughed. Took the drama out of the scene for me, though I kinda like it, it's just too funny for some reason.
確かにウィルの「待って!まず秘密を教えて!」って焦り方が面白すぎるw ワークナーが瀕死なのに「俺の能力は何だ?」って聞くとか、マジで魔術師になりたいんだなって思ったよ。 厳しく言うつもりはないけど、普通に笑っちゃった。シリアスな場面なのに、なんかおかしくて好きだわ。普通くん+25
Meiolore
It seems that the elf lady (Elleanor?) may seem kinder than she actually is. She pretended to not care about the so-called weakest elf, but she still sent someone to save him.
エルフのお姉さん(エレノア?)は見た目より優しいんかもな。最弱のエルフとか言ってるくせに、ちゃんと助けを送ってるやん。ツンデレやんけwww2ちゃん+66
Frontier246
I would like to think it's because she's just a hardcore tsundere and still cares about Wignall...but it might have been her pride as an elf that she couldn't let another elf die in battle.
確かに。エルフとしての誇りってのもありそうだよね。でも俺は単なるド級ツンデレでウィグナルのことまだ気にかけてるって解釈が好きかな。普通くん+59
OldInstruction5368
They were childhood friends, right? It's just that "class bullshit" and "expectations of her rank" meant she couldn't stay with him. She still cares, and is most likely lowkey bitter about the situation, but it's not like she stopped caring for her friend.
幼馴染みだったんだよな。あの「階級制度のゴミ」と「身分への期待」が彼をそばに置けなくしただけだ。彼女は今も気にかけてるし、おそらくその状況に密かに悔しさを抱えてる。でも友達を想う気持ちが消えたわけじゃないんだ。考察くん+34
Meiolore
IIRC she physically assaulted Wignall when they were young, but I'm not sure if it is just an effect of illusion magic
確かに幼馴染だよね。でも彼女、小さい頃にウィグナルに手を出してたらしいんだよ。ただそれが幻影魔法の影響なのかはわかんないけど…感情くん+11
AeonLonginus
I am pretty sure she cut it off, until now she has yet to show any signs that she is somehow different from the rest of the elves way of thinking. She displayed zero interest in the horrors that were unfolding and only thought about Wignall after Filvis directly stated that he was present and shown a video of him, so I question whether she has any attachment to Wignall.
確かに彼女はそれを断ち切ったと思う。今のところ他のエルフたちと考え方が違う兆候は一切見せてないしね。 フィルヴィスが直接ウィグナルの存在を伝えて映像を見せるまでは、進行する惨劇にまったく興味を示さなかったんだ。だから彼女が本当にウィグナルに愛着を持ってるのか疑問だよ。普通くん+7
Bussy_Wrecker
Wakner joins the donut club 😭😭😭
ワクナーがドーナツクラブ入会しちゃったじゃん😭😭やばくない!?まじで泣けるんだけど笑ギャル+60
actionfirst1
He's even got a jelly filling
確かに、しかも中身はジャム入りってね😭普通くん+17
LeonKevlar
原文
Real person or not, Rosti dying in front of Will is definitely gonna traumatize him. And just to make things worse for our boy, Workner gets inducted to the donut club. I do wonder what Finn meant when he said Workner will eventually breathe again. You mean he's still alive?! O_O So Will does have magic! His magic is to go Ultra-Instinct! But seriously tho! What did Finn do? Did his blood act as some sort of catalyst to help out Will awaken his magic? Also, that power-up is freakin' insane! There's got to be some drawbacks to Will going nova like that. I can't wait to see Will's rematch against the Devander next episode!
ロスティがウィルの目の前で死ぬのはトラウマ確定やろな…。しかもワークナーまでドーナツ会員入会かよ。でもフィンが「また息をする」って言ったの気になるンゴ。まさか生きてるんか!?O_O ウィルにも魔力あったんか!しかもウルトラ本能みたいな能力やんwww でもフィンは何したんや?血が触媒になって魔力覚醒したってこと?あとあのパワーアップヤバすぎやろ。絶対反動あるやつやん。来週のデバンダーとの再戦マジで待ちきれないンゴ!2ちゃん+54
Ocixo
Just *what* is Workner that he’s able to survive a gaping hole in his chest? He was literally missing a heart.
確かに、胸に穴開いて心臓ないのに生きてるワークナーって何者なんだよ…謎すぎるわ。普通くん+39
Marty1989
Maybe Workner is another Elfie clone like Rosty really seems to be... just with chatgpt in his head.
確かに!ワークナーもロスティと同じエルフィのクローンなんじゃ…でも頭の中にChatGPT搭載されてるってこと?無理すぎるw感情くん+16
Meiolore
"You are Elfie, she is Elfie, I am Elfie, is there any other Elfie I should know about?"
「お前がエルフィで、あいつもエルフィで、俺もエルフィで……他に知っておくべきエルフィっているの?」って感じだな。普通くん+32
Frontier246
原文
>So Will does have magic! His magic is to go Ultra-Instinct! But seriously tho! What did Finn do? Did his blood act as some sort of catalyst to help out Will awaken his magic? Also, that power-up is freakin' insane! There's got to be some drawbacks to Will going nova like that. I can't wait to see Will's rematch against the Devander next episode! Seems like he activated something in the sword that was channeled through Will and unlocked **his** limiter.
なるほど、ウィルにも魔力があったのか!彼の能力は「身勝手の極意」的なものだな。しかし、フィンの血が触媒となってウィルの魔力を覚醒させたと考察できる。つまり、フィンの血が剣に何らかの反応を起こし、その力をウィルに伝導したんだろう。そしてあのパワーアップ、尋常じゃない。ウィルがノヴァ状態になった時の代償が気になる。これは1話で示された「魔法適性ゼロ」という設定の伏線回収かもしれない。次のエピソードでデヴァンダーとの再戦、期待が高まる。考察くん+6
ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp
My monke brain does love a good hair colour changing transformation.
俺の猿みたいな頭でも髪の色が変わる変身シーンは大好きだわ。普通くん+50
GloriousNipOnSteel
Bro skipped straight to SSJ3.
草、いきなり超サイヤ人3にすっ飛ばしたのかよwww2ちゃん+14
ajreed96
Will is so adamant of saving these classist people that treated him like shit. him elfaria and finn should just start a revolution and let the classist lay waste to them selfs
ウィルは自分をクズ扱いしてきた階級主義者たちを救うことに固執しすぎだよな。ウィル、エルファリア、フィンで革命でも起こして、あいつら自滅させればいいのに。普通くん+44
Frontier246
Well, now he actually has his own spell and is saving the entire city in a single stroke so they have nothing to complain about! Unless "Ugh, just because that laggard developed a SINGLE one use spell that empowers them into Sephiroth doesn't mean he gets to go to the Tower!"
せやな、今は自分だけの魔法手に入れて街ごと救ってるし、文句言う筋合いないやろwww 「あの落ちこぼれがたった一発の使い捨て魔法でセフィロス級になったくらいで塔に登れると思うなよ」とか言われてもなあw2ちゃん+6
Mogtaki
As a Zelda fan I ain't ever gonna put down the whole "my magic is courage" thing, that was worth the 15 episode payoff and was revealed at a great time
ゼルダファンとして「俺の魔法は勇気だ」ってのは絶対にディスらないな。15話かけての伏線回収に見合ってたし、タイミングも完璧だったと思う。普通くん+35
CursedEye03
Another good episode. Very tense and ngl, for a second I thought that Workner was about to die for real. I mean, he became another member of the donut club. So far, this season seems great. Overall, the show is really enjoyable. I'm surprised that it isn't more popular.
今回も良いエピソードだった。緊張感が凄くて、正直一瞬ウォークナーが本当に死ぬかと思ったよ。つまり、彼もドーナツクラブの一員になっちまうのかとね。 今シーズンはここまで素晴らしい展開だ。全体的にこの作品は本当に楽しめる。もっと人気が出てもおかしくないのに、意外だなというのが正直な感想だ。考察くん+37
drunkencow
I just love that smug look Elfilia has like yo, that’s my man
エルフィリアのあのドヤ顔がたまらん。「見ろ、これが私の男」って感じでさ普通くん+33
Frontier246
The way she stared down Aaron...she probably wouldn't have given in even if Will's timely heroic efforts saved her the trouble.
エルフィリアのアーロン見下す目つきヤバすぎるッ!ウィルがヒーロー的に助けなきゃ絶対折れてなかったでしょあの女…。無理、かっこよすぎて泣いた。感情くん+9
ExchangeGuilty2562
原文
Will : What’s my power?  Me : don’t say courage don’t say courage don’t say courage  Will : COURAGE  Me : damn 😅  That moment was a little cringe but I mean I suppose that there’s nothing else he can say in that moment lol. Jokes aside I loved this episode. I wasn’t expecting a transformation so I was very hyped to see it. I also wasn’t expecting him to be that overpowered omg!! I can’t wait for more.
ウィル:「俺の力って何だ?」 俺:「勇気って言うな勇気って言うな勇気って言うな…」 ウィル:「勇気だ!」 俺:「ちくしょう😅」 あの瞬間は少し気恥ずかしかったけど、あの場面で他に言えることなんてないよな(笑)。冗談はさておき、このエピソードは本当に良かった。変身シーンは予想外だったからめっちゃテンション上がった。まさかここまで圧倒的な強さを見せつけるとは思わなかった、マジで!次が待ちきれない。考察くん+32
AmusedDragon
I was waiting for him to say 'Will', as in, 'Willpower', lmao. Dude could be a green lantern.
「Willpower」って言うかと思って待ってたわ、草。 こいつグリーンランタンになれるんじゃね。普通くん+23
rieru67
He called it courage but it it's actually called wis.
「勇気って言ったけど、実際はウィスやんwww ワイも思わず「それwisやろ!」ってツッコんでもうたわw」2ちゃん+13
actionfirst1
God damn this episode was awesome, Wistoria is so back
今回のエピソード神すぎたな。ウィストリア復活したわ普通くん+20
PeaceAlien
One of my favourite episodes of the series.
それな!このシリーズで一番好きなエピソードすぎるッ!!感情くん+6
Primo29
Will's about to dominate every monster and mage below with that long glowing white-haired power up. Glad that Workner being a donut did not completely shattered Will.
ウィルの白く長く光る髪のパワーアップで、下のモンスターや魔術師を圧倒しそうだな。ワークナーがドーナツになってもウィルが完全に打ちのめされなかったのは良かった。普通くん+22
Frontier246
He's got his Sephiroth-level power up.
やばっ!その白髪ロングでパワーアップしたウィル、完全にセフィロス級じゃん!笑 下のモンスターとか魔術師とかボコボコにしてく感じ?ワークナーもやられて嬉しいってマジ同意!ギャル+5
Jaystime101
Yo why is this shit SO GOOD!!!!
なんでこの作品こんなに面白いんだよ!!!普通くん+21
HolyDragSwd2500
Asta: My magic is never giving up!!! > Asta Black Form Will: My magic is courage !!!> Mageblade Wis!!!!
やばくね!?アスタの「俺の魔法は絶対に諦めない!!!」→黒の暴牛形態、ウィルの「俺の魔法は勇気だ!!!」→魔剣ウィス!!!! まじで熱すぎるじゃん!笑ギャル+20
lionturtl3
Will just needs his 5 leaf clover grimoire so he wield the magic negation sword now!
ウィルも五つ葉のクローバーの魔導書があれば、あの魔法無効化の剣が使えるようになるんだろうな!普通くん+12
Hubris1998
原文
To say that this show has some terrible writing would be a massive understatement. His teacher, the one person he's always relied on, is walking towards him with a giant fucking hole in his chest while he's mopping on the floor, ignoring him. And all this absolute wankstain cares about is his secret magic power. He doesn't give a shit about his teacher dying. I get it that anime characters are obsessed with getting stronger, but no human being, real or fictional, would react like this in this situation. Leaving aside the fact that this anime is LARPing as an underdog story when it's a blatant power fantasy, I really don't care for the writing. I might end up dropping it just because of the awful MC.
このアニメの脚本がクソすぎて言葉が出てこないンゴwww 師匠が胸にデカい穴開けて倒れてんのに、主人公は床モップかけながらガン無視。 で、そいつが気にしてるのは自分の隠された魔力だけってマジかよ。 師匠死にかけてるのに完全スルーとか人間としてどうなん。 成長重視なのは分かるけど、現実でもアニメでもこんな反応するやつおらんやろ。 しかもこれ、下克上ストーリー気取ってるけど完全なチート脳内補完やん。 クソMCのせいで切るかも。2ちゃん+13
Konabrah808
Yooo this anime has been hype since S1E1!!! Cant tell ya how many times I’ve gotten teary eyed at how Will always pressed forward while the world was against him only to get hype when the world sees how awesome he truly is and this episode is no different. Truly Top Tier and reminds me why I got hooked on anime, wasn’t just the Bishoujo😂
このアニメ、S1第1話からずっとアツい展開だよな!!!ウィルが世界に敵視されながらも前に進み続ける姿に何度も涙腺が緩んで、でもその後に世界が彼の真の凄さを認める瞬間に興奮が再燃する——このエピソードもまさにそれだった。まさに至高のクオリティで、俺がアニメにハマった理由を思い出させてくれる。美少女だけが理由じゃなかったんだな😂考察くん+14
SamuelClemmens
It turns out Will isn't a Poo Person overcoming adversity after all, but a the most special of all specials. Every damn time.
結局ウィルは逆境を乗り越える普通の奴じゃなくて、特別の中の特別なやつだったってオチかよ。 毎度毎度これやんけ。2ちゃん+14
Shimmering-Sky
- Makes sense that Zeo doesn’t want to just sit around doing nothing. - Elfaria too… - Aw, Will… - Damn. - Man, the whole first half of the episode is just everything turning from bad to even worse. - Gah, that’s a hole clear through Workner’s torso. - Wait, what? - Let’s go, Will! - Oh damn, *that* looks awesome.
ゼオが何もしないでじっとしてるわけにはいかないってのはわかるよね。 - エルファリアもな… - ああ、ウィル… - くそっ。 - 前半はずっと悪い状況がさらに悪化していくだけだったな。 - うわ、ワークナーの胴体に穴が開いてるじゃん。 - え、ちょっと待って? - 行け、ウィル! - おお、*あれ*めっちゃかっこいいな。普通くん+11
Frontier246
Reminded me of how dark and despairing Danmachi could be at times. Imagine if they'd played "Fire and Fury" when Will unlocked his magic....
ダンジョンに出会いを求めるのは間違っているだろうかのあの絶望感を思い出させてくれた……しんどすぎるッ! ウィルが魔法を解放したときに「Fire and Fury」が流れてたらヤバかったな……無理、優勝すぎる。感情くん+8
OldInstruction5368
OK, that's bullshit. Workner, Finn, likely the Old Lady Principal... Just how many people knew that Will had magic, and just lied to him as he continued to suffer and spiral into a breaking point? That's bullshit.
それはないわ。 ワークナー、フィン、そしておそらく老女学院長も… ウィルが魔法を使えることを知ってたのに、彼が苦しみ続けて限界に達するまで嘘をつき続けたってことか? それはないだろ。普通くん+12
Wild-Cheesecake-3767
原文
I have a feeling that it is going to turn out that swords are a threat to mages. Just like the Dwarves were a threat to mages in the past and warred against them, if swords ever turned against the mages they would likely be 10x the threat the Dwarves were. So they probably have to be careful about what they tell them and whom they let train to become a full fledged sword. This is just my own personal speculation, but I could see it easily playing out like this.
確かに、その考察は興味深い。剣が魔術師にとって脅威になるという展開は、過去のドワーフとの戦争を踏まえると納得できる。剣が魔術師に敵対すれば、ドワーフの10倍の脅威になり得るという点は、ウィルの魔法を秘密にしていた理由の伏線として機能している可能性が高い。つまり、彼らは誰を正式な剣士として育成するか慎重に選別しているという解釈が成り立つ。制作陣の意図を読むと、この構図は物語の根幹に関わる重要な設定だと思われる。考察くん+7
MadeMeMeh
I like this show and will continue to watch it. But I hate when they spent all this time focusing on him not having magic, overcoming that through hard work, then surprise you actually had magic all along. It destroys the theme they have built up and devalues so much about the story especially the dwarves.
確かにこの作品は好きでこれからも見るつもりだけど、ずっと魔法が使えないことを努力で克服するって描いてきたのに、実は最初から魔法があったってオチにするのは嫌だな。せっかく築いてきたテーマが台無しになるし、特にドワーフたちの話の価値が下がっちゃうんだよね。普通くん+11
KohTai
Yeah so many people talking about the show is good. The writing is complete fucking ass.
確かに!みんな「このアニメいいじゃん」って言ってるけどさ、マジで脚本がクソすぎじゃね?笑ギャル+13
Master-Hair-7456
Tbf it's in the title but there was really no other way for the story to progress. And even then he will still have to workhorse and use those knowledge he has. Plus it said he couldn't use a wand never said anything about using a mageblad3
確かにタイトルに書いてあるし、話を進めるにはそうするしかなかったんだろうね。それでも彼は努力して知識を使い続けるしかないし。 しかも「杖が使えない」だけで、魔剣については何も言われてなかったしな。普通くん+7
roronoa20
Zeo exudes aniki aura, I really like him.
ゼオの兄貴感がやばいッ!めっちゃ好きになった!!感情くん+10
Frontier246
"Look, those dying idiots might be worthless but I'd be even more worthless if I didn't fight too!" I can respect that.
確かにそれはカッコいいな。死にかけの連中は役立たずかもしれないけど、自分だけ戦わないほうがもっと役立たずだって考え方、わかるわ。普通くん+6
FireTrainerRed
原文
Quite simply: Too many cutaways. It removes all tension from the scene when you've seen more than 1 shonen anime before, because you know that character will be fine/saved in the next scene. Hell even professor doughnut was/is fine. Starting to get Fairy Tail vibes, where no one (random npc's excluded) can die. And that is a very bad thing, if you want to set your world up as a "dangerous place".
端的に言うと、カットアウェイ(場面転換)が多すぎる。 1つでも少年漫画を見たことがある視聴者なら、次のシーンでキャラが無事に救われると分かってしまい、緊張感が完全に消える。 ドーナツ教授ですら無事だったしな。 「誰も(モブ以外は)死なない」フェアリーテイル感が出始めている。 作品世界を「危険な場所」として描きたいなら、これはかなり致命的な問題だという考察ができる。考察くん+9
Hopeful-Chemist5421
One of the best episodes of anime I've seen all season.
今期アニメで一番やばかったわ。神回すぎて草2ちゃん+9
NationalStrategy
Damn, it sucks that Professor Workner got injured like that, but I do-nut believe that he’s going to die here
ワーグナー教授がああなるのは本当に残念だけど、ここで死ぬとは思えないな普通くん+9
NanDemoKnaives
原文
I don't even know where to start, this episode was so intense from start to finish. Will's limiter coming off thanks to whatever Finn did and the following attack was crazy, I was not expecting Will to get that kind of power boost. He is one insanely powerful sword.  After Rosty "dying", Will really did not need Workner also dying on him, that had me in shock until Finn pointed out he'd be alive again. I wonder what's up with that, I hope we get an explanation once things have been settled. Elfaria opening her eyes after Rosty "dies" seems to be another hint that she's the one that created him.  I'm glad Will ended up awakening because we were about to see the Magia Vanders fight among themselves lol. That would have been entertaining, if the situation wasn't already so dire outside.  Edward actually sacrificing himself to protect dwarves was not what I expected, I still don't like him, but I can appreciate that he's true to his words at least. He's thinking about what is the best course of action even at the cost of his own life.  I thought it was interesting how completely unfazed Sion was when Will parried the monster's sword, it's like he expected it or knew it'd be him or something. Maybe next episode it'll continue the scene and he is surprised, but it was like there was a certain confidence there which I liked.
このエピソード、最初から最後まで緊張感が凄まじかったな。フィンが何か仕掛けてウィルのリミッターが外れたあの攻撃は予想外だった。ウィルがとんでもないパワーを得るとは思わなかったよ。彼はまさに超強力な剣だ。 ロスティが“死んだ”後、さらにウォークナーも死ぬ展開には衝撃を受けた。フィンが生き返ると指摘するまで本当に焦ったよ。その仕組みが気になる。事態が落ち着いたら説明があることを願う。エルファリアがロスティの“死”後に目を開けたのも、彼女がロスティを創造したという伏線だろう。 ウィルが覚醒してくれて助かった。マギア・ヴァンデルス同士の戦いが始まるところだったからな。あれも面白かっただろうが、外の状況が絶望的だっただけにね。 エドワードが自らを犠牲にしてドワーフを守ったのは意外だった。まだ彼は好きになれないが、少なくとも自分の信念に忠実であることは評価できる。自分の命を懸けてでも最善の行動を考える姿勢は認めざるを得ない。 ウィルが怪物の剣を受け止めた時、シオンが全く動じていなかったのが興味深い。彼はそれを予期していたか、自分がそうなることを知っていたかのようだ。次回で彼が驚くシーンが続くかもしれないが、あの確信に満ちた態度には好感が持てる。考察くん+10
AceSoldia
What do you mean the story begins?! Explain.!! I'm now tempted to read the manga
「話はここから」ってどういうことだよ!説明してくれ!!マンガ読みたくなってきたんだけどッッ感情くん+10
Himexcandy33
The animation towards the end when Will reaches Sion with the bgm was so good, reminded me of MHA and the soundtrack You say run
最後の方でウィルがシオンに辿り着くシーンのアニメーション、BGMと合わさってめっちゃ良かったな。MHAの「You say run」思い出したわ。普通くん+7
Askaa_kun
same composer.
それな!作曲者一緒なんだってね!確かにあの終盤のウィルがシオンに辿り着くシーン、BGMも相まってやばかった!MHAのYou思い出したわ!ギャル+11
OneGeologist1143
原文
And the story begins. So cool. Can't wait for next episode. Even through I have a lot of questions about will magic and also curious what was done different from before like how it was different. Also what is will sword made off like it looks so ordinary but seems important or just there no other sword in the battlefield. Elfaria moments were great in this episode and made me like her a lot more than before. Can't wait for more.
いよいよ物語が始まったね。めっちゃカッコいいし、次回が待ちきれない。ウィル魔法について疑問だらけだし、前と何が違うのかも気になる。あとウィルソードって何でできてるんだろう?普通の剣に見えるけど重要なのか、それとも戦場に他に剣がないだけなのか。エルファリアのシーンが今週は良くて、前より好きになったよ。続きが楽しみ。普通くん+8
AlexxxandreS
So is mageblade any sword but with Finn's blood or is that sword in specific? I didn't understand that
え、つまりメイジブレードってフィンの血がついてる剣ならなんでもいいの?それともあの特定の剣だけ? ちょっとそこ理解できなかったんだけど笑ギャル+9
Master-Hair-7456
Finn blood was a catalyst, will is able to use a mage blade just like the mages uses wands.
フィンの血は触媒みたいなものだね。ウィルは魔術師が杖を使うのと同じように、魔法剣を使えるってことだよ。普通くん+10
Background_Dirt4900
I yelled so loud when Will unlocked a new form. But it seems like he'd only be able to do that with Finn's magic (?) I hope they explain it pretty soon
ウィルが新フォーム解放した時ワイ叫んでもうたわwww でもフィンの魔法あってこそなんかね? その辺早く説明してほしいンゴ2ちゃん+8
CrasianLe
We got a nice shot of Will's butt when he stood up with his sword. Very nice, he has awaken and ready to fuck shit up! I am ready for the next episode, more like he is ready
ウィルのお尻が映ったカットやばくね!?剣持って立ち上がる姿、めっちゃかっこよかったじゃん!目覚めてやる気満々じゃん笑 次の話も楽しみすぎるけど、むしろウィル本人が準備万端って感じだよね!ギャル+9
SecretYogurtcloset57
ABSOLUTE CINEMA🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
マジで神回すぎる🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥普通くん+9
lucissandsoftime
Ima need some to explain this power of his now. Before I thought they were just infusing the sword or something, but his hair turned white, which means this power has to be somewhat more unique to him right?? Does the manga give more of an explanation?
彼の力について考察が必要だな。以前は剣に何かを注入しているだけかと思ってたけど、髪が白くなったということは、この力は彼に固有の特殊なものだと見ていいだろう。 原作のマンガでは、この力についてさらに詳しい説明があるのだろうか?考察くん+8
redlaWw
Sorry, but do we really need name pop-ups for every character in every episode?
確かに毎回キャラ名表示は要らないよね。普通くん+7
contemporare
原文
Season 2 feels very different than season 1 to me. This episode in particular was a bit too much. There's not enough story to keep me gripped to what's happening. And the story that is happening is like, weird. Like the whole Workner scene and the random super saiyan power out of left field. Not enjoying this season nearly as much as the first unfortunately. And the animation has been very bad since episode 1.
ワイ的にはS1とS2は全然違うわ。特に今回の話はちょっとやりすぎやろ。ストーリーが薄すぎて全然引き込まれへんし、展開も意味わからん。Worknerのシーンとか唐突なスーパーサイヤ人パワーとか、わけわからんすぎるンゴwww S1と比べると正直楽しめてない。あと作画も1話からずっとガチでひどいわ。2ちゃん+8
aspiree13
Damn bro what a slapper of an episode!! My friend is a huge fanatic with Harry Potter and I’ve been begging him to watch it as he loves anime aswell but he doesn’t listen to my recs until he sees a viral video on a fight or something. Help me to convince my friend to watch it so he doesn’t miss out please!!!
このエピソード、構成が秀逸だったな。戦闘シーンのテンポや演出からも、制作陣が本作にかなり力を入れてるのが伝わってくる。 ハリポタ好きの友達ならなおさら刺さる要素が多いと思うんだよな。ウィルと魔法使い達の対比構造が、まさにハリポタ的な「選ばれし者」と「努力する者」のテーマと重なる。ただ、ウィルの杖なし魔法のシステムは独自で、むしろハリポタファンには新鮮な驚きを与えられるはず。 友達には「ハリポタの魔法システムをよりアクションゲーム的に昇華した作品」って切り口で勧めてみるといいかも。特に1話のウィルが無双するシーンの映像を見せれば、一発で興味持つと思う。考察くん+6
StarkixWasTaken
Holy that has to be one of the best anime episodes I've ever watched, full of emotions and redemption. PEAK
「うわっ…今まで観たアニメの中でもトップクラスのエピソードすぎるッ!感情爆発だし救済もエモすぎて泣いた。マジで最高(PEAK)ッ!!」感情くん+5
chaoslimits
This show has no soul.
まじでこのアニメ、魂感じないんだけど!笑ギャル+6
Babaranchodas
man what a masterpiece
いや、本当に傑作だね。普通くん+5
AceSoldia
I'm curious if all dwarves can do this or just the Finn guy or it's special to Will or what. I'm..I'm curious to read ahead but I rather theorieze in threads like these without knowing
フィンだけなのかウィルだけなのか、それともドワーフ全般なのか気になるンゴwww 先読みしたくなるけど、ネタバレなしでこういうスレで考察したいンゴね2ちゃん+5
Kelpyjayster
I feel like they hinted that will is special from the first season when they had the flashback with the woman in the veil. He’s gotta be the key to wand and sword
確かに!第1話でヴェールの女との回想シーンがあった時点でウィルが特別なやつだって示唆してたよな。絶対彼が杖と剣の鍵だって!気になりすぎるッ!感情くん+6
dreamtreedown
This show is a perfect example of cliche done right. Sure, you can point out every trope with it, but everything is just so well executed that it's hype as hell and keeps me coming back every time. This episode felt like 5 minutes went by and I still want more.
草、ありがちな展開を完璧にやってのけててワロタwww 「これベタやん」ってツッコみたくなるけど、クオリティ高すぎて毎回流されるンゴ 今回の話とか体感5分やったわ まだまだ見たいンゴねぇ2ちゃん+5
Realistic-Boat-677
I thought this was the worst animated episode so far the fights are among the worst directed fantasy fights I’ve ever seen and the lamest way to show off speed possible. The transformation was okay.
今までで一番作画が悪い回だったと思う。戦闘シーンの演出は今まで見たファンタジー作品の中でも最低クラスで、スピード感の見せ方も一番ダサい。変身シーンはまあ普通だったかな。普通くん+5