+1404
NationalStrategy
Professor Edward is such an unbelievably petty hater, Will needed literally one more point to pass and ascend to the tower, and he decided to set him up to fail the final exam.
What a shitty professor
エドワード教授は本当に信じられないほど執念深い嫌がらせ師だな。ウィルが塔に昇るのにあと1ポイント足りなかっただけなのに、最終試験でわざと落とすように仕組んだんだから。教授としての資質を疑わざるを得ない。考察くん+379
PeaceAlien
Edward reminds me of Snape, he's trying to look out for Will but the way he does it is wrong.
確かにエドワードってスネイプっぽいな。ウィルを気にかけてるのは伝わるけど、やり方が間違ってるよね。普通くん+208
Unapologetic_Lunatic
Edward is 100% "Snape, but he's anime." There is neither subtlety nor shame in this design, and we love it as much as we hate the petty bullying of Snape and Edward alike.
確かに！エドワードは完全に「スネイプのアニメ版」だよね。デザインに遠慮も恥もなくて、スネイプとエドワードの意地悪なイジメを嫌いながらも、その潔さに愛着湧く感じ。最高にエモいわ。感情くん+184
Boris-_-Badenov
Snape only turned on Voldemort for revenge. if Lily hadn't been killed, he never would have left the murdering bigot cult... even if James and Harry were killed
スネイプは復讐のためだけにヴォルデモートを裏切っただけやろ。リリー殺されとらんかったら、ジェームズやハリーが殺されても闇の魔術崇拝カルトから抜けなかったやろうな…ガチでクズやんwww2ちゃん+55
DanielAlves1904
At least with Snape we find out later that his actions had a reason, even if he went about it poorly.
I wonder what Edward´s reason is, because if it´s just "magic is for magician´s only", that´s some Slytherin pure-blood nonsense.
確かにね。スネイプは後からちゃんと理由が明かされたからな。エドワードの理由が「魔法は魔法使いだけのもの」ってだけだったら、純血主義のスリザリンみたいで嫌だな。普通くん+31
Asafesseidon13
原文
It's already been cited previously in Will's battle against him, Edward was an Ascendant, someone with the talent and skill to be a Magia Vander but even with all that he didn't make it, so in fear of having Will's dream be broken like his dream was, seeing as he had talent and wasn't able to do it how would someone with no talent for magic? And to protect him from the hijinks of the tower, he decided to be a block for Will. It's still totally an asshole behavior though.
スネイプの件は確かに後で理由が判明するけどな。エドワードがアセンダント（マギア・ヴァンダーになる素質と技術を持つ者）だったことは、ウィルとの戦いで既に示唆されていた。それでも彼は成し得なかった。自分の夢が砕かれたようにウィルの夢も砕かれるのを恐れたんだろう。才能ある自分でさえ無理だったのに、魔法に才能のない者がどうやって成し遂げられるのか？ そして塔の騒動から彼を守るため、エドワードは自ら壁となることを選んだ。とはいえ、完全にクソな行動だったのは間違いないがな。考察くん+64
Jacob199651
原文
I'm pretty sure the reason is that he believes it's impossible for Will to ever achieve his goal, and letting him in is bad for Will, and ultimately bad for everyone involved.
It's easy for us watching to know that of course a sword CAN become a wand or the show wouldn't exist, but to him, it's like letting someone without hands aspire to be a surgeon with their feet. He's obviously going to learn his lesson the very, very hard way given the cliffhanger, but I don't think he did it from a place of condescension this time.
せやな、スネイプは後からちゃんと理由が分かるやん。エドの場合は「ウィルが目標達成なんて絶対無理」って本気で思ってるだけやろ。本人のためにならんし、結局みんな不幸になるって判断なんやろな。
ワイら視聴者からしたら「剣が杖になれるからこそ物語が成立するんや」って分かっとるけど、本人からしたら「手のない奴が足で外科医目指す」みたいなもんや。まあ次回予告見る限り、めっちゃ痛い目見て学習しそうやけどwwwでも今回は見下しからじゃないってのは同意やで。2ちゃん+8
Silent-Witness1888
Since there's an attack on their city now Will is gonna help and probably pass as an exception.
教授エドワードマジでクソすぎるやろwww ワイ一点足らんかっただけで落としたんかよ…
でも街襲撃されたからウィルが助けに行って特例で合格って流れになりそうやな2ちゃん+128
HolyDragSwd2500
Agree with you plus Elfie and others are watching
同意！それにエルフィたちも見てるしな…これはもうウィルが例外扱いされる展開になるしかないだろッ！熱すぎる！感情くん+70
Boris-_-Badenov
or he's recruited by the swords.
確かに、剣術部隊にスカウトされるパターンもありそうだね。普通くん+52
BosuW
Surprise makeup exam
まあ、街が襲われてるならウィルが手伝うしかないし、特例で通るだろうな。ドライおじ+16
toilodi
原文
I just don't understand how the director and the academy in general don't intervene as it's plainly obvious he is twisting the exam with the intent of making a specific student fail, and it's not even the first time he directly attack this one student, his attitudes are so obvious that even Workner confronts him this time. Or in this academy teachers have a free pass to do anything they want with the students and can choose who passes and who doesn't based on their whim? And I don't understand this argument of this being his way of being "kind" or "merciful", like who tf is he to decide completely on his own the future of this one student, regardless the opinion of other teachers and the academy system itself?
確かに。監督も学院全体もなぜ介入しないのか理解できない。明らかに試験を歪めて特定の生徒を落とそうとしてるじゃん。しかも今回が初めてじゃないし、Worknerでさえ直接問い詰めてる。学院では教師が好き勝手に生徒を扱って、気分で合否を決められるのか？「親切」とか「慈悲」のつもりって言うけど、他の教師や学院のシステムを無視して、一人で生徒の未来を決める権利が彼にあるのか？普通くん+55
Boxsteam_1279
Edward has a strong argument though. You need to understand the basics of magic to be a qualified magician and the question had failed out 40% of students, so you cant really say it was made to fail a specific student when almost half of them failed anyways. Not that I am agreeing with Edward, but there is no legitimate way to fight his argument
確かに、エドワードの主張には一片の真理が宿っているのだ。魔法の基礎を理解せずして魔導士を名乗るなど、我が誇りが許さぬ。試験で四割もの者たちが敗れ去ったという事実、それは運命の試練に過ぎぬ。我もエドワードには全面的に同意せぬが、彼の論理を打ち破る正攻法など、この世に存在せぬのだ。中二病+99
mucklaenthusiast
That's true.
I wish they went harder on this. I think it's more interesting to have him be more pure in his motivation, but he comes off as mostly having a personal grudge.
Which is not that interesting, imo.
せやな。ワイももっと突っ込んで欲しかったわ。純粋な動機の方が面白いと思うンゴけど、結局個人的な恨みがメインに見えるんよな。
個人的にはあんま面白くないわ。2ちゃん+35
coffeecakesupernova
原文
He doesn't have a strong argument. He has a shortsighted and biased argument. How is "how does magic feel?" Constitute an exam question worth so much of a grade? The answer is an opinion, and can only be wrong if the teacher disagree with that opinion. Not only that, he's penalizing someone who is essentially handicapped but has shown himself capable of understanding all the work better than everyone else.
エドワードの主張は強いとは言えない。むしろ視野狭窄で偏った意見だ。「魔法ってどんな感じ？」なんて試験問題が、どうしてそんなに評価点を占めるのか？答えは所詮主観で、教師の考えと合わなければ間違いになるだけだ。しかも彼は、事実上ハンデを背負いながらも誰よりも内容を理解している者を罰している。これは教育の本質を履き違えた評価システムの欠陥を示していると思われる。考察くん+8
toilodi
原文
Yeah, but this wasn't supposed to be a big general test but rather just one last specific class, and by everyone's reaction the content of the actual class that they were supposed to learn and study had little to do with the question he proposed, it wasn't something discussed during classes or in the text books, but sure you can argue it could enter as an additional question to the exam as not everything can be learned during classes, but to make that the ONLY question of the entire exam and ignore all the actual content of the class is ridiculous to say the least.
せやな、でもあれは大きな一般試験じゃなくて最後の特定の授業だけの話やろ。みんなの反応見る限り、実際に授業で学ぶべき内容と彼の出した問題はほとんど関係なかったやん。教科書にも載ってないし授業でも触れてない。追加問題として出すのは分かるけど、試験問題をそれ一問だけにして授業の内容全部無視するのはガチでバカげとるわ。2ちゃん+6
NationalStrategy
Right? Surely this should go against some kind of code.
確かに。普通に何かの規則違反になるだろこれ。普通くん+6
Frontier246
原文
I can see it both ways.
As a teacher, he should have given his student (Will) a fair shake and believed in him rather than setting up a test he could never pass.
But realistically he probably does think this is the best mercy, cruel as it is, he can give Will when the reality of him ascending to the Tower might not be what he thinks it will. It's still underestimating/undervaluing him purely on the basis of his lack of magic, but if it's already bad outside the tower, how bad would it be **in** the tower?
両方の言い分わかるンゴねぇ
教師としてはウィルにもっとチャンス与えるべきだし、信じてやるのが筋やろ。絶対パスできんテスト作るのはアカンわ
でも現実的に考えたら、塔に上がった先の現実が想像以上にキツいって思ってるからこその、残酷だけど「優しさ」って可能性もあるんやな。魔法ないってだけで過小評価してるのは変わらんけど、外がもうあれなら塔の中はどんだけヤバいねんって話やし2ちゃん+27
Unapologetic_Lunatic
I believe that *Edward* believes that he's showing "cruel mercy" for Will's own good. Which is probably even worse than simply acknowledging that he's got magical supremacist tendencies, and he's abusing his position to take them out on Will, making him no better than everyone else.
The "comfortable lie" is better for him, and in turn, he pretends he's giving one to Will.
我が目には、エドワードは自らの「残酷な慈悲」こそがウィルのためだと信じているように映る。むしろ、自身が魔法至上主義の呪縛に囚われていると認め、その立場を悪用してウィルを虐げるよりも、遥かに厄介なのだ。彼は「心地よい嘘」に安らぎを見出し、それをウィルに授けていると己を欺いている。運命の皮肉よ、彼もまた、他の者たちと何ら変わらぬ存在に堕ちているのだ。中二病+12
Meiolore
The fact that he is stated to be the closest to be a magia vander, yet he's still this envious, probably means that there is a major gap between his strength and the other 5 that got chosen.
確かに、両方の見方ができるよね。
マギア・ヴァンダーに一番近いと言われてるのに、それでも嫉妬してるってことは、選ばれた他の5人との実力差がかなりあるってことなんだろうな。普通くん+12
AceSoldia
I think he's just mad cause he couldn't go far so he not letting this damn dwarf out do him
同意だわw
教師として生徒のウィルを信じてやるべきだったよな。自分が大成できなかったからって、ドワーフに先越されるのが気に食わなかったんだろ笑wwwおじ+9
rllrdr
I think it's half envy, half legitimately not wanting Will to suffer the same disappointment he went through.
まあ半分は嫉妬、半分は純粋にウィルに同じ挫折を味わわせたくないってとこだろうな。ドライおじ+22
DugACCat
原文
Agreed. But I find this conceptually very dubious. Even as described, given the extensive knowledge Will has of Magic and countless interactions with people casting magic, I have to think he could have theorized an answer that would make sense. He’s as much a theoretical master of magic as anyone.
Can the authors who write fantasy books actually know exactly what it feels like to cast magic? Yes, through applying their imagination to the framework they’ve decided upon. You don’t need to actually do something to understand and explain it well. I just think with his background he could have put himself in the shoes of a caster with remarkable fidelity. Maybe the teacher would still find some fundamental flaw or oversight in what he’d put down as a result of never having done it himself. But I really think he should be able to give an extremely shrewd and insightful answer.
(Though the teacher is such a hater he’d probably fail him anyhow. But I’d have liked it more if they could see he was passing those who actually had weaker essays than Will.)
確かに。ただ、この設定には根本的に疑問が残るな。ウィルは魔法に関する膨大な知識を持ち、無数の魔法使いと交流してきた。理論面では誰にも引けを取らないはずだ。
- ファンタジー作家が魔法の感覚を正確に描写できるのと同じ理屈で、ウィルにも実践者の視点を想像する力があるはず
- 未経験だからこそ、客観的かつ鋭い分析ができる可能性も高い
- 教授が「理論だけでは不十分」と判定するのは、むしろ彼の偏見が強すぎる証拠
ただ、あの教授は結局どんな答案でも落としただろうな。実際、ウィルより出来の悪いエッセイを合格させてた点を踏まえると、この評価基準の矛盾がより際立つ。考察くん+27
xCairus
The difference is this isn’t creative writing. He was tasked to describe a real sensation that he has never experienced. Fantasy writers describe magic in a way that makes sense to us, they draw on sensations we know. This is more akin to a blind man describing sight to someone who can see, they will know whether or not he is correct.
せやな、でもこれは創作とは違うやろ。ワイは実際に体験したことない感覚を説明せなあかんかったんや。ファンタジー作家は俺らが知ってる感覚を元に魔法を描写するけど、これは盲目の人が見える人に「視覚」を説明するようなもんや。正しいかどうかは相手が分かってまうンゴwww2ちゃん+49
coffeecakesupernova
No, it's akin to a theoretical physicist never having experienced planetary gravity. What difference would that make to him being a rocket scientist? None.
確かに、理論物理学者が惑星重力を経験したことなくてもロケット科学者になれるのと同じだね。その違いはあまり関係ないと思う。普通くん+9
BosuW
Did you see what he answered tho lmao. Bro went on and on about his love for magic (Elfie). Its like if you ask "describe micro gravity" in a physics exam and the student writes a poem about it.
確かに！でもウィルの回答やばくなかった？笑 魔法（エルフィ）への愛を延々と語っててさ。物理の試験で「微小重力を説明して」って聞いたのに詩を書くみたいなノリじゃん笑ギャル+10
Qxujevoz
Edward, Julius & Sion are the sorest of sore losers. Well, bigotry isn't easy to cure.
Edit: I meant Sion instead of Cariott, I mixed up the redheads initially.
確かに、エドワード、ジュリアス、シオンは負けず嫌いすぎるよね。偏見ってなかなか治らないものだしな。
編集：最初はカリオットと間違えてシオンって書いたわ、赤髪を混同してた。普通くん+12
Cactus-Juice120
Not only a shit professor but he's also a lil bish. Making Will take that test in the first season and he didn't let him get his sword to use. It would be like not letting another student use their wand but I feel like that might just be bad writing
せやな、教授としてもクズやし、性格もクソやわ。1期でウィルに試験受けさせた時、剣すら使わせなかったやん。他の生徒に杖使わせないのと同レベルのクソ対応やけど、あれ単に脚本が雑なだけちゃうか？2ちゃん+11
NylanBlake
原文
From the way he talked this episode he trys to protect will from the tower as he assumes he will on suffer there (he outright mentioned here that he feared will becoming some other mages testsubject if he tries to ascend the tower)
We learned last season that he almost made it to becoming one of the top mages himself and only failed in the last instance in a duel against another contender, so he knows better than any other teacher what the road up the tower entails (just entering the tower seems only be the first step and he described it as a graveyard for wands, a place where most are weeded out and suffer greatly in the process.
His goal seems to protect the students who lack the potential to make it to the top by weeding them out before they can even go to the tower, forcing them to give up and choose different magical careers.
His looks and magic kind as well as partly his methods may remind of harry potters snape, but his motivation seems to be something different
確かにエドワード教授はただの嫌な奴ってわけじゃなくて、ウィルを塔から守ろうとしてるんだよね。本人が言ってたけど、塔に登ったら他の魔術師の実験台にされるって懸念してるみたいだし。
前シーズンで彼自身もトップ魔術師目前まで行って、最後の決闘で負けたってわかった。だから塔への道がどれだけ厳しいか、他の教師よりよく知ってるんだろうな（塔に入るだけでも最初のステップで、彼曰く「杖の墓場」で、ほとんどの人がふるい落とされて苦しむ場所らしい）。
彼の目的は、塔に行く前に潜在能力のない生徒をふるい落として、別の魔術の道を選ばせることみたい。見た目や魔法のスタイル、やり方の一部はハリポタのスネイプを思い出すけど、動機はちょっと違う感じだね。普通くん+6
Dazzling-Long-4408
"Much closer to the book" 😂
「原作にめっちゃ近くなったじゃん！」ってやつね笑ギャル+12
WhoiusBarrel
原文
Of course Edward being the bitter man he is, just had to fuck over Will's dream. It was really painful to see Will struggle to write an answer to his question, only to fail.
Throwing a New Year's countdown afterwards is so cruel for people who failed, no wonder there's a record of many people leaving afterwards. Though seeing how the other students were trying to find Will really reinforces how much they care for him.
エドワード、クソジジイすぎるやろwww ウィルの夢ブチ壊してまうとかガチで胸クソ悪いわ。質問に必死で答え書こうとしてるのに無理ゲー過ぎて草も生えんわ…
新年カウントダウンとか落ちた奴にはクソみたいな仕打ちやん。大量離脱者記録あるのも納得やわ。でも他の生徒らがウィル探してるシーンはガチで泣けるンゴ…みんなウィルのこと本気で大事にしとるんやな。2ちゃん+229
ikaiyoo
Edward and Julius are both the walking embodiment of, "people have gotten entirely too comfortable with disrespecting people and not having their teeth pushed into the back of their throat for of it."
確かに。エドワードもユリウスも「調子に乗ってる奴には痛い目見せてやる」って感じが体現されてるよね。ウィルの苦しみ見るのは辛かったな。普通くん+90
Zodiac12a
Well, Julius got his teeth pushed quite literally, but it seems it didn't change much. Maybe pushing through the other cheek will set him straight 😅
まじでジュリアス、ぶっちゃけ歯が砕けるくらいやられたのに全然変わってなくない？笑 逆の頬も殴られれば目覚めるかもね〜😅ギャル+9
YonSaiSucks
原文
>Of course Edward being the bitter man he is, just had to fuck over Will's dream. It was really painful to see Will struggle to write an answer to his question, only to fail.
Playing devil's advocate, he does have some point. Their society revolves around magic, what is a warrior gonna do in a university about magic when you cant even put the knowledge to use. Knowing on paper is one thing, putting it into practice is another
確かにエドワードの言い分も分からなくはない。魔法中心の社会で、実践できない戦士が大学で何の意味があるのかって話だよね。知識として知ってるのと実際に使えるのは別だし。普通くん+71
Abedeus
Also every time we're reminded of the fact that the 5 top mages in their "element" become foundations of their world's protection... how would Will exactly contribute? He can't cast spells, so he can't contribute to to the great sealing spell at all. He'd be a dead weight on the crew, regardless of how strong he is in combat.
確かに、エドワードの行動はウィルの夢を踏みにじる形になったな。ただ、五大魔導士が各属性の頂点として世界の守護の基盤になるという設定を考えると…ウィルが仮にその枠に入ったとしても、魔法が使えない以上、大封印魔法には一切貢献できない。戦闘力がどんなに高くても、チームにとっては足手まといになるという皮肉な構造だよな。この点、制作陣は意図的にウィルを「外れた存在」に据えたと考察できる。考察くん+50
Meiolore
With how the story is going, I guess the barrier will be seen as a ducttape solution, and that Will will try to address the root cause by actually defeating the celestial being .
ストーリーの流れ的に、あの結界は応急処置みたいなものだったんだろうね。ウィルは根源を断つために、あの天体の存在を倒そうとするんだと思う。普通くん+30
Frontier246
Also he was probably serious about his concern that they would experiment on/mess with Will if he got in the tower.
Like I could even imagine some of the Magia Vander bullying/messing with him to make him feel like he doesn't belong there if they could freely have their way with him in the tower.
せやな、エドワードの言ってた「塔に入ったら実験台にされる」ってのはマジでガチやと思うわ。
つーか想像しただけで草生えるンゴ……もし塔の中でマギア・ヴァンダーどもが好き放題できるなら、ワイらが思う以上にウィルをいじめて「お前ここにいる資格ないぞ」って追い詰めるやろな。2ちゃん+35
Unapologetic_Lunatic
I feel a great swell of pity for anyone who would invoke Elfaria's wrath in such a manner.
確かに、そんな形でエルファリアの怒りを買おうとする奴がいたら、可哀想で仕方ないと思うわ。普通くん+9
aniMayor
原文
Yeah, that's definitely what Prof Edward *thinks* is true. Sadly, he's just plain wrong and doesn't understand the Tower as much as he thinks. Last season after Iris spent some time observing Will she outright recommended that Will be brought to work in the Tower in her report to the Magia Vanders. So while Prof Edward keeps thinking that Will couldn't possibly succeed or achieve anything once he reaches the Tower, Edward's own bosses (or rather, his boss' boss' bosses) actively want Will to pass his tests and get there because they do already think he'd be useful.
With his scorned pride he's never going to believe that though, even if he heard directly through the grandmaster that that's what the Tower thought.
せやな、エドワード教授はそう信じ込んでるだけやろな。残念ながらガチで間違ってて、自分が思うほど塔のこと理解しとらんわ。前シーズンでアイリスがウィルを観察した後、マギア・ヴァンダースに送ったレポートで『ウィルを塔で働かせるべき』って直々に推薦してたやん。つまり教授は「ウィルが塔に辿り着いても何も成し遂げられない」と思い込んでるけど、上司（というか上司の上司の上司）はむしろウィルに試験突破して来てほしいって思ってるんやで。プライド傷ついてるから大賢者から直接「塔がそう言ってる」って聞かされても絶対信じへんやろうけどな。2ちゃん+17
monsieurvampy
My issue is he asked a question that singled Will out. It was not a question that he might have been able to passed, it was a question that automatically denied him the chance. It's not any different if he asked a question that only Will could have answered either. I don't think he gave him a chance at passing, he outright denied it.
確かに。あの質問は明らかにウィルだけを狙い撃ちにしてたし、そもそも合格できる余地すら与えてなかった感じだよね。もしウィルだけが答えられる質問をしたとしても同じことだと思う。エドワードは最初から合格させる気なかったんだろうな。普通くん+5
nayhel89
I think Edward knows something bad about the tower and wants to protect Will in a way.
エドワードのあれ、絶対塔のヤバい秘密知っててウィルを守ろうとしてる説あるよな…！ そう考えると胸熱すぎるッ！感情くん+49
Frontier246
He washed out of the tower too so he probably is somewhat aware of how bad it can get for someone who doesn't have what it takes to stand next to the Magia Vander.
せやな、エドワードも塔から落ちた身やしな。マギア・ヴァンダーの隣に立てる奴だけが生き残れるって、どんだけキツいか知っとるんやろな。2ちゃん+54
bobert1201
I think it's a bit more than that. He mentioned Will potentially becoming a test subject, and the other professor had no rebuttal to that. I think they both might know something about the tower that we don't.
確かにそれだけじゃないと思う。ウィルが実験体になる可能性について言及してたし、他の教授も反論できなかった。二人とも塔について俺たちが知らない何か知ってそうだね。普通くん+9
tripleaamin
原文
>Of course Edward being the bitter man he is, just had to fuck over Will's dream. It was really painful to see Will struggle to write an answer to his question, only to fail.
Putting aside even if Edward's comment is true about Will going to the tower would be bad for him. The mention of test subject and Wand Graveyard is interesting.
As purely a teacher, it is irresponsible of him since it is undeniable proof that he made that exam to fail Will. Teachers are supposed to guide their students, not create impossible roadblocks. Make the exam hard, but don't make it impossible.
At least give him a question he CAN answer. Asking Will what magic is is equivalent to asking a human how it feels to fly in the sky like a bird. Something we can't experience.
エドワードが意地悪な男だからって、ウィルの夢を潰すためにああいう試験を仕組んだのは確かだよな。質問に答えようと必死に言葉を紡ぐウィルが本当に辛かった。
仮にエドワードの「塔に行くのはウィルのためにならない」という主張が正しかったとしてもだ。「被検体」や「杖の墓場」というワードが気になる。
教師として見ると、あの試験が明らかにウィルを落とすために作られた証拠なんだから、無責任極まりない。教師は生徒を導くべきであって、越えられない壁を作るべきじゃない。試験を難しくするのはいいが、不可能にしてはいけない。
せめて答えられる問題を出すべきだ。ウィルに「魔法とは何か」と問うのは、人間に「鳥のように空を飛ぶ感覚はどんなものか」と尋ねるのと同じで、経験できないことを問うているに等しい。考察くん+45
Lulukassu
原文
I can't help but feel like writing an arbitrary answer was the wrong choice here.
By simply expressing that he has no such manifestation to describe, he probably could appeal the test to a higher authority as the correct answer.
*Trying* provided Edward the wrong answer he was looking for.
It's interesting though, this episode made Edward more sympathetic. He's trying to look out for Will in his own fucked up way.
確かに、この場面で適当な答えを書いたのは誤った選択だったと言わざるを得ない。「自分にはそんな顕現はない」と正直に答えていれば、上位の権威にアピールして正解と認められた可能性もあった。だが「試みた」ことで、エドワードが求める間違った答えを与えてしまった。
ただ興味深いのは、このエピソードでエドワードがより共感を得られる存在になった点だ。彼なりの歪んだやり方ではあるが、ウィルのことを思って行動しているという考察ができる。考察くん+9
Frontier246
>Though seeing how the other students were trying to find Will really reinforces how much they care for him.
Meanwhile Julius is there as the only one in the group nobody actually likes all that much lol.
他の生徒たちがウィルを探そうとしてたのを見ると、みんなが彼を大事に思ってるのがよくわかるね。
一方でジュリアスはグループの中で唯一あんまり好かれてないってのが笑えるわ。普通くん+5
Togglea
Edward is near wholly irredeemable. At least someone like Kalego from Iruma cares about his students. This guy just has active malice the entire time as a teacher.
確かに。エドワードはもはや救いようがござらぬ。カルエゴのように生徒を想う者もおるというに、あの男は教師でありながら悪意を振りまき続けるとは、呆れる他ないでござる。武士+5
InternationalLoad891
原文
This reminds me of how, in many navies around the world just before WWII, the admirals who believed in the supremacy of the battleships went out of their ways to hinder the development of naval aviation and an air force in general.
Will is not a magician, but he has proved himself he can complement the power of other magicians. At the very least Will brings a new way to engage the enemy and protect squishy mages. Snubbing him is a short-sighted move and stinks of personal vendetta and envy.
これは第二次大戦前、戦艦至上主義の提督たちが空軍や海軍航空隊の発展を妨害した構図に似てるな。
ウィルは魔術師じゃないけど、他の魔術師の力を補えるって証明したよね。少なくとも、敵との戦い方に新たな選択肢をもたらして、脆い魔術師を守れる存在だ。彼を軽んじるのは視野が狭すぎるし、個人的な恨みと嫉妬が透けて見える。普通くん+15
flowing_river39
It's not dumbing it down if you specifically make it so a particular student will fail. This is basically the opposite of favoritism
Also 40% answered wrong so it's not just on him
草、特定の生徒を落とすためにわざと難しくしたって話かよwww
それって完全に贔屓の逆やん
つーか40%も間違えてる時点で、アイツだけの問題じゃないやろ2ちゃん+10
coffeecakesupernova
原文
...Says someone who has either never been a teacher or if they were one, they sucked at it. Anyone who thinks teaching is about meeting a standard is the problem. You know what the most important thing is that a teacher can do? Give kids the confidence to thrive and improve. Tools are important but second to that.
Source: Was a teacher from a family of award-winning teachers. Students came back years and decades later thanking family members for inspiring and encouraging them. I'm so very proud of my family.
このコメント書いた人は、教師になったことないか、なってたとしてもダメ教師だったんだろうな。教育を「基準を満たすこと」だと思ってる時点で問題ありだよ。教師の一番大事な役割って何だと思う？子どもたちに自信を与えて成長させることだよ。ツールも大事だけど、それより優先されるべきことなんだ。
元教師で、受賞歴のある教師の家系に育った身として言うね。何年も何十年も経ってから、生徒たちがうちの家族に「あの時励ましてくれてありがとう」って感謝しに来るんだ。本当に誇りに思うよ。普通くん+8
GusMae
I think we just got even more confirmation Rosti is an Elfaria spell thingy. The bad guys mentioned she used up all her magic, and in the shot of Will at the end Rosti disappeared.
Presumably she didn't have any magic left to empower the spell to appear as Rosti.
ロスティがエルファリアの魔法の産物ってさらに確信できたな。敵側が魔力を使い果たしたって言ってたし、最後のウィルのカットでロスティ消えてたし。おそらくロスティとして現れるための魔力が残ってなかったんだろうね。普通くん+200
Frontier246
Honestly it's kind of impressive that she can seemingly both act as herself **and** as Rosti at seemingly the same time with it seeming like she gets Rosti's memories/sights in real time judging by her reacting to Colette's words.
確かに、エルファリアがロスティとしても同時に存在できている点は興味深い。コレットの言葉に即座に反応したところを見ると、ロスティの視覚や記憶をリアルタイムで共有していると考察できる。これは単なる分身魔法ではなく、意識の分割か記憶の同期が可能な高度な術式の可能性が高い。考察くん+118
TheBusStop12
She was already controlling multiple ice clones of herself at the same time when she was 2. My guess is that Rosti.is the culmination of perfecting the spell over the next 14 years. She just has never told anyone about it, so everyone else still thinks the ice clone spell reached it's prak performance with the original iteration
せやな、ワイもそう思うンゴwww
2歳で複数の氷分身同時操作してた時点で既に規格外やし、14年かけて完成させたのがロスティってわけか。
ただ本人が黙ってただけで、周りは最初の氷分身が完成形だと思い込んでるってオチやろな。草生えるわ。2ちゃん+108
hanmkim
She practically has to spend her time as a hikikomori in order to keep Rosti running.
確かに、ロスティを動かすために引きこもり生活を強いられてるって感じだよね。普通くん+51
ionstorm66
We have no idea if she is a shut in due to the spell, or just due to the fact she wants to be with Will, and not in the tower. She could simply just hate being in the tower, thus never want to do anything in the tower.
せやな。魔法で引きこもりになってるのか、それとも単に塔の中が嫌でウィルと一緒にいたいだけなのか、ワイらにはわからんよな。塔の中で何かやる気ゼロって可能性もあるしな。草2ちゃん+10
hanmkim
"I'll always be with you."
\*disappears\*
「ずっと一緒にいるよ」って…
\*ふっと消える\*
やばっ、それだけで泣けるんだけど！？まじでエモすぎじゃん！ギャル+92
yomommalol69
原文
i didn't notice that, but i noticed immediately when Rosti said "im always here with you" it felt specifically like Elfaria speaking through Rosti. the way they used the tower in the background as imagery at that exact moment, coupled with the fact that he was just disqualified from the tower, the one place he could actually be with Elfaria, and now she's the one saying that she'll always be with him, even if he can't come to her, and even if he doesn't realize it.
「それな！気づかんかったわ。でもロスティが『いつも一緒にいるよ』って言った瞬間、明らかにエルファリアがロスティ通して喋ってるやろwww あのタイミングで背景に塔使った演出とか、ちょうど塔から失格になったばっかであそこが唯一エルファリアと会える場所やったのに、今度はエルファリア側から『たとえ来れんでも、気づかんでも、ずっと一緒にいる』って言ってくるの、ガチで泣けるンゴ…」2ちゃん+49
oops_i_made_a_typi
i mean yeah they're not subtle about it, the hints are super super strong even before the whole (F)Rosty (S)Nowman thing
確かに、あれは隠そうとしてないよね。(F)Rosty (S)Nowmanの件の前からヒントがめっちゃ強いし。普通くん+19
Rabbitey-
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Elfie sees through Rosti's POV when she closes her eyes. It happened with Ellenor and during the festival, where Rosti was coincidentally talking to Colette and Will.
Kind of sad Elfie agrees with Colette on the fact she's unable to be with Will due to her duties as a Magia Vander.
確かに、ロスティが「いつも君のそばにいるよ」と言った時、明らかにエルファ視点だったんだよな。エルフィーが目を閉じるとロスティの視点を通して見えるって考察は結構有力だと思う。エレノアの時も祭りの時も、ロスティが偶然コレットやウィルと話してる場面があったし、制作陣が意図的に仕込んだ伏線だと思われる。
ただ、エルフィーがマギア・ヴァンダーとしての責務でウィルと一緒にいられないってコレットに同意するシーンは、なかなか切ないな。彼女の立場と心情の葛藤がよく描かれてる。考察くん+7
LezRock
Oh, I didn't even notice that Rosty wasn't in the scene anymore. Maybe I'll have to rewatch that part.
あ、ロスティがその後のシーンにいないの気づかなかったわ。もう一回その部分見直さないと。普通くん+36
YonSaiSucks
>The bad guys mentioned she used up all her magic, and in the shot of Will at the end Rosti disappeared.
Wasnt that AFTER they recasted the barrier?
やばっ！それって結界張り直した**後**だよね？
つまりロスティはエルファリアの魔法関連で消えたって確定っぽくない？！マジで考察が捗るわ〜ギャル+12
Obaruler
Well, she gotta make sure no other girls steals any kisses from her future boyfriend ...
確かに！ロスティがエルファリアの魔法絡みって確定っぽいよね。でもそれ以上に「未来の彼氏に他の女がチューするの阻止しなきゃ」って発想がエモすぎるッ！独占欲強めなロスティ好き。感情くん+10
NationalStrategy
Julius is really pissing me off too, insulting Will.
Bro, that “No-talent” beat your ass, and put you on fraud watch in front of everyone last season. Not to mention that he also gave you pointers on how to improve on your signature spell that you incorporated from his childhood friend that she created when she was 2 years old.
He really has very little room to look down on Will at this point
ジュリウスマジで腹立つわ、ウィルにケチつけるとか。
「無能」呼ばわりした相手に前シーズン、みんなの前でボコられて完全にガイジ認定されたのに。しかもそいつから幼なじみが2歳の時に作った得意魔法の改良ポイントまで教えてもらってるしな。
現時点でウィルを見下す余地なんて微塵もないやろ。2ちゃん+170
praul59
He’s like a mini professor Edward just another Will hater
マジでそれな！「無能」って言われてた奴にボッコボコにされたのに、まだイキってるとかやばくね？笑 教授エドワードの縮小版って感じじゃん、ただのウィル嫌いwwwギャル+76
Lulukassu
原文
Julius is 1-2 steps further than Edward from my perspective.
Professor Edward only hates Will's determination to ascend a tower towards a role only Mages are fit to fulfill (only a Mage of the highest caliber can fulfill the function of a Vander, casting the annual spell that protects the world.) He doesn't recognize the value someone like Will would provide to the Vanders and Vander-hopefuls as an ally.
Julius seems to outright hate people without magic 🤷♀️
うーん、俺からするとジュリアスはエドワードより1、2歩先を行ってる感じだな。
エドワードは魔法使いだけが適任な塔を登ろうとするウィルの決意を嫌ってるだけだし（世界を守る年に一度の呪文を唱えられるのは最高位の魔法使いだけだからね）。ウィルみたいな奴がヴァンダーやその候補者たちに味方としてもたらす価値を認めてないんだよ。
一方ジュリアスは、魔法のない人間そのものを嫌ってるように見える🤷♀️普通くん+31
Frontier246
At least Sion has the decency to acknowledge Will's efforts and mourn the loss of his rival. Nobody in-show even seems to like Julius.
それな！！シオンはちゃんとウィルの努力を認めてライバルを悼むだけの誠意があるのに、ジュリアスはマジで誰からも好かれてないやん。無能呼ばわりされた挙句に返り討ちにあったのに、何がしたいんやコイツ…！！感情くん+44
Abedeus
> Julius is really pissing me off too, insulting Will.
Notice him twirling his hair when trash-talking WIll.
Not that it makes him less annoying.
確かに、ウィルを侮辱するJuliusにはイライラするよね。
Willをディスるときに髪をくるくる弄ってるの気づいた？まあそれでもムカつくけどな。普通くん+27
tripleaamin
Honestly, Julius comes across as much more annoying than Edward to me. Moreover, as you said, he has almost no room to talk, basically. I guess Edward would be the more hatable character since he gets in Will's way. For Julius, you just want him to shut up lol.
せやな、JuliusはEdwardよりウザさ倍増やわ。お前の言う通り、あいつに言える立場ちゃうやろ。EdwardはWillの前に立ちはだかるから憎たらしいキャラやけど、Juliusはとにかく黙れって感じやなwww2ちゃん+24
NationalStrategy
At least Professor Edward has an arguably valid reason to oppose Will, but Julius is just being an arrogant douchebag
某も同意仕る。エドワード教授にはウィルと対立する理由が一応あるが、ジュリアスはただの傲慢な小僧に過ぎぬ。武士+38
Meiolore
Edward is a fucking asshole, not gonna lie, but since he had tried to climb the tower before, we can assume that those magic supremacist would be even harsher on Will than even him.
まじでそれな！エドワードはクソ野郎だけど、塔に挑んだことあるならウィルへの当たり方もわかる気がするよね。でもジュリアスはただのイキリクソ野郎じゃん？やばくね？笑ギャル+15
NylanBlake
Julius is just a tsundere who projects his inability to express his feelings for Will in form of hatespeech.
Zion is similar but actually managed to progress to a level where he projects his feelings in a form of rivalry instead 😆
If he really would hate Will down to his core, he wouldn't let himself get wrapped up in helping Will&Friends again and again
それな。「無能」って言われてる側にボコられてる時点でジュリアスも大概だよな。
ジュリアスはツンデレで、ウィルへの気持ちをうまく表現できずに悪口で投影してるだけだと思う。
ザイオンも似たようなもんだけど、ちゃんとライバル心として投影できるレベルまで成長してるのが笑えるｗ
本当に根っから嫌ってたら、何度もウィルたちの手助けに巻き込まれたりしないよね。普通くん+13
mebeast227
People really seem to have a hard time grasping this. Julius literally has been helping everyone look for will and is a cold clone of Sion.
They both very obviously have a level of admiration for Will, whereas Edward has hasn’t been revealed in any way to give a fuck about Will yet (and may or may not ever do so, but I think he will)
Juliusは完全にツンデレやろ。Sionの冷徹クローンって言われてるけど、実際はWillを探すためにみんなを手配してるしな。
Willに対する敬意はSionとJulius両方に明らかにある。一方EdwardはまだWillに全く興味示してないし、今後もそうかは分からんけど、ワイはそのうち動くと思うンゴwww2ちゃん+5
Meiolore
Ed has his reasons, but Julius is just purely an asshole for the vibes lol
エドには理由があるけど、ジュリアスは単に空気読めないクソ野郎って感じだな笑普通くん+5
praul59
Thanks Professor Edward for reminding everyone how big of an asshole you’re
EDIT: W Professor Workner confronting him
エドワード教授、お前がどんだけクソ野郎かみんなに思い知らせてくれてありがとな
追記：ワークナー教授が対峙してくれてワイ感動したわ、マジで神やん2ちゃん+127
Frontier246
Conversely, considering his own bad experience with the tower, he could just be projecting that bad experience on preventing Will from getting up there. For both their sakes, potentially, even if it still means that even after everything in season 1 he never came to believe in Will.
逆に考えると、エドワード自身が塔で悪い経験をしたからこそ、そのトラウマをウィルに投影して登頂を妨げている可能性があるんだよな。彼なりの善意かもしれないが、シーズン1の全てを経てもなおウィルを信じられなかったという点は否めない。ワークナー先生の対峙はその構図を浮き彫りにした良いシーンだと思う。考察くん+54
praul59
Yeah I thought of that too. but he could’ve handled it in a way better way and I have feeling this upcoming episode/season he’s gonna realize how strong Will really is and second guess his choice on what he did
確かにそれも考えた。でももっとマシなやり方があったはずだし、次のエピソードかシーズンでウィルの本当の強さに気づいて、自分の選択を後悔するんじゃないかな。普通くん+13
Meiolore
He did know how strong Will is. For combat purpose, he is probably the strongest in the academy. He just thinks that Will cannot contribute to whatever the hell they are doing in the tower, and he may be right
確かに、ウィルの強さは理解しているんだろうな。戦闘力なら学園最強クラス。ただ、塔での活動には貢献できないと考えている節がある。その判断は案外正しいかもしれない。考察くん+21
InternationalLoad891
I think the Magia Vanders, now that they have a front row seat, is going to grudging promote Will into the Tower after the New Year Party Massacre. Much to Edward's gnashing teeth.
確かにそれな。マギア・ヴァンダース連中、新年会の大虐殺で最前列で見てたから、渋々ウィルを塔に昇格させる流れになるんだろうね。エドワードは歯ぎしりもんだわ。普通くん+8
1Newredditor
Generational level of hate aside, 40% of students failed Ed's exam question. Dude had a right to ask if that many students couldn't answer the question right.
世代レベルのヘイトはさておき、生徒の4割がエドの試験問題落としてるやん。あれだけ答えられんやつが多かったらそら質問したくなるわな2ちゃん+115
DezXerneas
Imo the teacher should be fired or at least investigated if 40% of his class is failing.
マジでそれな！40％も落ちてるなら教師のせいじゃね？少なくとも調査は必要だと思うんだけど笑ギャル+40
InternationalLoad891
原文
You have no idea how many universities in real life rely on these type of "professors" as gate keepers. If you can't get through whatever bs they put out, you have no business entering "their" profession.
When I was an engineering student, we had one such "gatekeeper" professor in charge of differential equations. He routinely failed 50% or more of his class. He never quite explained the subject materials enough that most students will understand. You have to be able make the connections yourself. If you don't, then you are just considered "not good enough" to enter the engineering profession.
Now that I am working in an university. I see this "gatekeeping" continues in different majors and professions. It's more common that I would like to see.
確かに言えてる。実際の大学でもそういう「門番」みたいな教授は結構いるよね。俺が工学部の時も微分方程式の教授がそうで、毎回50%以上落としてた。授業内容も不十分で、自分で繋がりを見つけられないと「向いてない」って言われるだけ。今大学で働いてるけど、この門番システムはいろんな学科で続いてて、思ったより一般的なんだよね。普通くん+45
Puzzleheaded_Farm122
原文
I get that. But that diffy Q professor is still unprofessional imo in how he handles his academics of teaching and testing. As you explained he never quite explained the material enough for most students to understand. To me that is a lack of teaching and clearly setting students to intentionally fail. If you can't teach the fundamentals in mathematics especially diffy Q, you have no right to teach and guide budding engineers. Because your not motivating them to critically think, you are depriving them the chance to understand the core mechanics of the math.
That said, I had a calculus teacher that pulled this same crap. Constantly said "you should know this material, it's basic algebra", but he rarely ever explained how the algebra was applied or the fundamentals of calculus. He failed a lot of students or the just dropped out because they hated his ass. Re-took the same class but with a different professor and passed with flying colors because that teacher explained the material that most could understand.
その意見は理解できる。しかし、あの微分方程式の教授は教育と試験の運営方法において、やはりプロフェッショナルではないと私は考察する。彼の説明では、ほとんどの学生が理解できるほど十分に教材を解説していなかった。これは教授法の欠如であり、意図的に学生を落とそうとしているとしか思えない。特に数学、ましてや微分方程式の基礎すら教えられないなら、将来のエンジニアを指導する資格はない。なぜなら、学生に批判的思考を促すどころか、数学の核心的なメカニズムを理解する機会を奪っているからだ。
- 同意。私も微積分の授業で同じような教授に当たった。「これは基本代数だから分かるはずだ」と繰り返すだけで、代数の応用方法や微積分の基本をほとんど説明しなかった。多くの学生が落ちるか、彼を嫌って中退した。
- 同じ授業を別の教授で取り直したら、誰もが理解できる説明で余裕で合格できた。教授の質が学生の理解に直結するという良い例証だ。考察くん+6
ikaiyoo
原文
This. This right here. If you are and educator in any capacity and on your final exam of the year 40% of your class fails the fucking exam You have no business teaching.
Especially with the way that the school deals with points and quotas every week. The students that couldn't keep up and have no business making it to the tower have already been cut from the school before the final exam even happened. So this is just Edward being a pissy little fuck because he has the big bad hurted feewings from his attempt to ascend the tower and fail.
確かに。教育者として最終試験でクラスの4割を落とすって、教える資格ないだろ。
しかも学校が毎週ポイントやノルマで管理してるのに、塔に登れないやつらは試験前に切られてるんだぜ。つまりこれはエドワードが塔登りに失敗して拗ねてるだけじゃん。普通くん+15
hanmkim
A lot of competitive programs like pre-med, engineering, or even different organizations in the military/intelligence sector have dropout and/or failure rates of 40% or more.
せやな、医学部や工学系の競争率高いプログラムって普通に4割以上落ちるしな。軍や情報機関の組織も同じやろ。教師叩く前に現実見た方がええンゴwww2ちゃん+10
Recent_Call_1188
I know we have a whole season ahead but boy how I felt sorry for Will.
まだシーズン丸々残ってるけど、ウィルには本当に同情しちゃうな。普通くん+73
Galinhooo
It seemed a bit 'forced' like a forced reset to start the new season lower after he progressed previously. I feel like there could be better ways to do that instead of the professor being jaded and cheating to disqualify him.
確かに、ウィルには同情するけど、前シーズンでの成長をリセットするためにわざとらしい展開にした感は否めないな。教授がやけになって不正で失格させるより、もっと自然な伏線の張り方があったはずだ。制作陣の意図は理解できるが、もう少し丁寧な脚本が欲しかったというのが本音だ。考察くん+47
Recent_Call_1188
I agree it felt somewhat forced, but the execution of his frustration was strong enough that it still made me sympathize with him a lot.
確かに強引な感じはしたけど、彼のフラストレーションの表現がしっかりしてたから、それでもかなり共感できたよ。普通くん+33
Scrubtac
原文
To be honest his goal of climbing the tower really doesn't make any sense. The point is not "How strong are you at fighting monsters", it's to find the best mages for the very specific purpose of using magic to restore the barrier. Will cannot do this so there is no point in him climbing the tower.
The fact that his goal makes no sense kinda spoiled the plot of the show. Obviously, only two things could happen: Either Will suddenly becomes able to use magic (making the story pointless), or the barrier breaks and they need a swordsman to fight demons more than they need mages.
せやな…ワイもウィルには同情するわ。
でも正直、塔を登るって目標自体が意味不明やろ。あれは「魔物とどんだけ戦えるか」が問題ちゃうねん。バリア修復できる魔法使い探すためのもんやん。ウィルは魔法使えへんから登る意味ないやん。
この目標の矛盾がストーリーぶち壊しやわ。どう考えても「突然魔法使えるようになる（話が無意味化）」か「バリア壊れて魔物と戦う剣士の方が必要になる」の2択しかないやろ。草2ちゃん+10
shad79
原文
Colette is as cute as ever! Watching her get embarrassed after Rosti caught her trying to kiss Will was pure pleasure.
Damn, Edward-sensei is such an asshole, as he deliberately engineered the exam test so Will would fail. I can understand his motivations, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a dick move.
And of course, Will won't have time to mope around, because the New Year's celebrations have been taken over by villains, and now monsters are running free, and Magia Vander are without magical power.
Overall, this was a good premiere episode, and I can't wait for more. By the way, is this the first time we've seen Clairie? If so, it seems like she'll be a fun addition to the cast.
Here my screenshot albums from the episode:
* Colette
* Elfaria & Clairie
* Lihanna
* Group scenes
* Will
* Sion, Julius & Wignall
* Others
*EDIT. I added my screenshot albums.*
コレット、相変わらず可愛いな！ロスティにキスしようとしてるの見つかって照れてるの最高だったわ。
エドワード先生はマジでクソだな。わざとウィルが落ちるように試験を仕組んだんだから。動機はわかるけど、それでもクソムーブなのは変わらん。
もちろんウィルが落ち込んでる暇もなくて、新年の祭りがヴィランに乗っ取られてモンスターが暴れまわって、マギア・ヴァンダーは魔力を失ってるし。
全体的にいい初回だったし、続きが楽しみ。そういやクレアリーって初登場？だとしたら、いいキャラになりそうだな。
以下、スクショアルバム：
- コレット
- エルファリア＆クレアリー
- リハンナ
- グループシーン
- ウィル
- シオン、ジュリアス＆ウィグナル
- その他
※編集：スクショ追加したよ。普通くん+66
Ocixo
I’ve been rooting for Colette since the start, but she probably won’t get anymore at this rate. Rosti won’t allow it. I still remember the date from the 1st season. Not to mention that Will only got eyes for Elfie…
That said, Colette should probably just confess her feelings to Will instead of trying to kiss him whilst he’s asleep.
確かに、コレットの健気さには応援したくなる。ただ、第1期のデート回を思い返すと、ロスティが邪魔をする構図は既に確立されていたんだよな。しかもウィルはエルフィにしか眼中にない。その点を踏まえると、コレットが寝込みにキスを仕掛けるより、素直に告白した方が展開は変わったかもしれない。考察くん+41
Frontier246
It's just funny to think of Elfie possibly using this male body just to flirt with Will and keep another girl as far away from him as possible. Colette just can't win!
Though I'm kind of glad Colette unintentionally got a good hit in without knowing it with Rosty fully acknowledging how Elfaria's situation with Will is unfair to him.
エルフィが男の体でウィルにちょっかい出して他の女を遠ざけようとするの考えると笑えるな。コレットは勝ち目ないじゃん！
でもロスティが「エルフリアのウィルとの関係は不公平だ」って認めてたから、コレットが知らずにいい一撃入れたのは嬉しいかも。普通くん+30
OldInstruction5368
原文
This is from the same guy as "Is it wrong to pick up a girl in the dungeon?" author. IIRC, he said that it was a mistake not making the "main romance" clear enough in that anime.
Bel gets shipped with like... a dozen different ladies every arc, barely interacts with the main FL, and has better chemistry with literally every other potential ship. So... yeah. That tracks.
So for Wand and Sword, the author wanted to beat everyone's head over the fact that "Will x Elfie" is endgame. And the only ship that will be happening. Althought he still couldn't help himself writing in side-ships... poor Colette.
「ダンジョンに出会いを求めるのは間違っているだろうか」と同じ作者の作品だ。確か作者はあのアニメで「メインの恋愛関係」を明確にしなかったことを失敗だったと語っていたな。
ベルは毎アークで十数人の女性と絡むのに、メインヒロインとはほとんど交流がなく、他のどの潜在的なカップリング候補ともケミストリーが良すぎる。だから……そういうことだな。
つまり『杖と剣のウィストリア』では、作者は「ウィル×エルフィ」が最終カップルであり、唯一成立する関係だと読者に徹底的に叩き込もうとしたんだろう。それでもサイドのカップリングを書かずにはいられなかったようだが……可哀想なコレット。考察くん+23
mucklaenthusiast
>Bel gets shipped with like... a dozen different ladies every arc
This is such a funny complaint, because...he wrote all of those characters and the story?
Or are these anime only changes?
But honestly, an author complaining about their own work is so funny, I just like it more, regardless of what actually happened.
確かに、作者が自分の作品に文句言うの面白すぎるよね。ベルは毎アークで十何人もの女性とくっつけられてるし。
でもそれって作者自身が書いたキャラとストーリーだよね？アニメだけの改変なのかな？
真相はともかく、そういう自虐的なコメントがあると逆に作品が好きになるわ。普通くん+10
mmcjawa_reborn
Yeah I was thinking that on a recent rewatch. You can tell it's by the same author as the "main ship" in this and "Is it wrong to pick up a girl in a dungeon" is by far the most boring and least interesting one, who also barely ever interacts with our lead
確かに、最近の再視聴時にも同じ考察をしていたんだ。この作品と「ダンジョンに出会いを求めるのは間違っているだろうか」の両方に共通する「メインカップリング」が、圧倒的に退屈で興味を引かない点は、同じ作者の作風の特徴だと思われる。しかも、そのヒロインが主人公とほとんど絡まないという構造的な問題もある。これは作者の意図的な選択なのか、それとも彼自身が認めたように「ミス」だったのか、考察の余地があるな。考察くん+6
[deleted]
>Rosti caught her trying to kiss Will
Ofc this brings us back to Rosti = Elfie theory . How obvious can it get right?
「RostiがWillにキスしようとしたColetteを見つける」
これでまたRosti＝エルフィ説が浮上してきたじゃんッ！もうわかりやすすぎるだろ！感情くん+40
Frontier246
It was especially noticeable when Will was crying out how he couldn't be with Elfie and Rosty immediately embraced him to say "I will always be with you" as if it was Elfie trying to reassure Will that she **is** with him.
Not to mention that Colette complaining about the negative effect Elfie has had on Will to Rosty seemed to have had an effect on the actual Elfaria.
ロスティがウィルにキスしようとした場面、まさにロスティ＝エルフィ説を裏付ける決定的瞬間だったな。特にウィルが「エルフィとは一緒にいられない」と叫んだ直後にロスティが「ずっと一緒にいるよ」と抱きしめたシーン、あれは明らかにエルフィ自身が「私はここにいる」とウィルを慰めている構図として読める。
さらに、コレットがロスティに「エルフィがウィルに悪影響を与えている」と愚痴った直後、本物のエルファリアにその影響が及んだ描写も伏線として秀逸だ。制作陣の意図が透けて見える設計になってる。考察くん+40
TheBusStop12
>Not to mention that Colette complaining about the negative effect Elfie has had on Will to Rosty seemed to have had an effect on the actual Elfaria
Rosty's face turned dark as well when Colette said that she hated the Magia Vander
コレットが「エルフィはウィルに悪影響を与えてる」ってロスティに愚痴ってたけど、それが本物のエルファリアにも影響してたんだよね。ロスティもその話聞いた時、顔色悪くなってたしね。普通くん+23
Frontier246
>Colette is as cute as ever! Watching her get embarrassed after Rosti caught her trying to kiss Will was pure pleasure.
Girl knows what she wants and I can respect that.
>Elfaria & Clairie
Can we get more Clairie screentime? She's a riot.
Also don't think I didn't notice Elfaria's butt cheek peeking out during the Supreme Spell sequence.
草 コレットちゃんマジ天使やんwww
ロスティにキス未遂バレて照れてるの最高すぎるわ
あの子は欲しいもんハッキリしてて好感持てるンゴ
>エルファリア＆クレアリー
クレアリーもっと出番増やしてくれや
あいつ面白すぎるンゴwww
つか至高魔法のシーンでエルファリアのケツチラ見えてたのワイだけじゃないよな？
サービスカットすぎて草生えるわ2ちゃん+13
Inflicties
Been a while since I've read the manga, gotta catch up on it tbh. But yes, I think this might be the first showing of Clairie iirc. I love her character.
確かに、久々に漫画読み返したくなったわ。でもこれ、確かクレアリーの初登場シーンだったよね。彼女のキャラ好きだな。普通くん+6
bananeeek
原文
The moment Will failed (fuck you, Edward) and they started talking about the barrier, it was pretty obvious what was going to happen.
Now I'm guessing there will be something only Will can do and they will have to rethink their approach about discriminating non-magical people. I only wish this had at least a double episode premiere, because a cliffhanger in such a moment and in the very first episode is just brutal.
I'm glad this got a sequel and I'm excited the wait is over!
ウィルが失敗した瞬間（エドワードめ、クソが）から結界の話が出た時点で、展開はほぼ読めてたんだよな。
この後は、ウィルにしかできない何かが出てきて、非魔術師差別の見直しを迫られる流れになるんだろうな。ただ初回から2話連続放送してほしかった。だって第1話のあの場面で終わるクリフハンガーは容赦なさすぎる。
続編が決まって嬉しいし、待った甲斐があった！考察くん+63
Ok_Celebration_1206
I agree it really felt like it two episodes should have been aired or at least a longer episode instead of the normal length
同意。確かにあの流れは2話分まとめて放送するか、せめて通常より長い尺にするべきだったと思う。普通くん+12
shadebug
原文
I mean, Edward isn’t wrong. When I did my law degree I had legal process and legal system modules where you had to demonstrate an understanding of both how the legal system is structured and how making legal cases works. When I was doing computer science I had both systems architecture and algorithmics modules so you need to know how the computer works and how to make it work.
Having a “how does magic work?” question is one of those “deep as you make it” questions that can get really tricky at the high levels and are a chance to demonstrate that you understand the fundamentals and that you can extrapolate those into something bigger.
The real issue here is that it was pass/fail and all 6 credits or none of them. It’s absolutely something that should have had depth and nuance. Whether Will would have been able to hit any of the depth or nuance, I have no idea, I don’t know how magic works, but if what he wrote was coherent and applicable then I would expect at least two credits for his answer.
That or we later find out that he was so sleep deprived that he blacked out and wrote “I am a fish” over and over
エドワードの言うことも一理あるわな。ワイも法学部で司法制度と訴訟のモジュールやったし、情報科学でもシステム構造とアルゴリズム学んだわ。「魔法の仕組み」って質問は深掘りしようと思えばいくらでも深くなるし、基礎理解と応用力を試すには丁度ええ問題や。
問題はそれが合否判定で6単位全部かゼロかの極端な評価やったことや。もっと段階的な評価にすべきやろ。ウィルがどこまで深く答えられたかは知らんけど、もし一貫性のある回答なら最低2単位くらいはやっても良かったんちゃうか。
それか、寝不足で気絶して「私は魚です」って連呼してた可能性もあるけどなwww2ちゃん+59
Frontier246
From the sounds of it Will basically wrote "magic is awesome and inspirational because the girl I love always made it look cool and amazing! Have I mentioned how awesome Elfie is!?"
確かに、エドワードの言ってることもわかるな。法律の学位取った時も似たようなモジュールあったし。普通くん+60
YonSaiSucks
>That or we later find out that he was so sleep deprived that he blacked out and wrote “I am a fish” over and ove
Lol
それな笑 寝不足で「私は魚です」って書きまくったってオチだったらやばすぎじゃね？笑ギャル+35
MonaganX
原文
The question itself is valid. Making it the sole question of an all or nothing test designed to fail a specific student is unethical for several reasons.
However, the whole thing is a bit Diabolus ex Machina anyway. This is a fundamental aspect of how magic works, they have specific terminology to use to describe it, and yet it's not written about in *any* textbooks?
I've never experienced synesthesia but I think I could give an okay explanation of what it is and how it feels from second-hand accounts, and that's a niche psychological phenomenon, not the foundation of our society which I've been studying all my life because my main goal is to attain it.
質問自体は妥当だよね。でも、それを特定の学生を落とすための一発勝負のテストの唯一の質問にするのは、いくつかの理由で倫理的じゃない。
ただ、これ全体がちょっとDiabolus ex Machina（ご都合主義的な悪魔）みたいなもんだよ。魔法の仕組みの基本的な部分で、説明するための専門用語があるのに、それが教科書のどこにも書いてないっておかしくない？
俺は共感覚を持ったことないけど、二次情報から何か説明できると思うんだよね。それってニッチな心理現象だろ？一方で、俺が一生かけて学んできた社会の基盤じゃない。だってそれを手に入れるのが俺の目標なんだから。普通くん+27
Meiolore
It is basically like a "How to speak" or "How to walk", it is not written in any textbook, yet anyway can still do it naturally.
確かにそれな！「どうやって話すか」とか「どうやって歩くか」みたいなもんだよな。教科書に載ってないけど誰でも自然にできてる。それを特定の生徒を落とすためのテストにするって無理すぎるッ！感情くん+14
OldInstruction5368
And yet 40% of students still failed that test...
確かにそれはそうなんだけど、それでも40%の生徒がテスト落ちてるんだよな…普通くん+17
shadebug
I think you’re onto something with “how to walk”. Roboticists spent a very long time trying to figure that one and are still a bit shit at it
確かにそれな！「歩き方」って例えめっちゃわかるわ。ロボット研究者がずっと苦戦してるのに人間は無意識にできちゃうってやばくね？笑ギャル+8
SZS_83
Depends on the rubric for the test. What was the exact criteria for passing or failing? Completely subjective? The teach would need to plainly spell out the grading rubric and be able to objectively defend each students' pass/fail.
確かに、評価基準次第だよね。合格・不合格の条件がはっきりしてるのか？完全に主観的なのか？教師は採点基準を明確にして、各生徒の合否を客観的に説明できる必要があると思う。普通くん+5
EclipseTM
原文
On one hand Edward is being a massive prick, on the other hand I do kinda get that a person with 0 magic climbing a tower designed for magic users is kinda insane. Especially if you factor in the fact that there seems to be a special school for people who can't use magic and use swords instead or something? (my memory of last season is a bit foggy so the terminology might be a bit wrong, but the whole ending of season 1 with Finn seemed to imply that)
Having said that, I guess Will will play a massive part next episode(s) to defeat the people invading the festival.
エドワードの態度は明らかにクソだが、魔力0の人間が魔術師用に設計された塔を登る異常性を考慮すると、彼の苛立ちにも一理あると考察できる。特に、前シーズンの終盤でフィンが示唆した「魔法を使えない者が剣で戦うための特別な学校」の存在を踏まえると、ウィルの存在自体がこの塔のシステムに対するアンチテーゼとして機能している可能性が高い。次のエピソードでは、ウィルが祭りを襲撃する敵を打倒する鍵を握るのは間違いないだろう。考察くん+58
Frontier246
原文
I have to wonder what would Will even do in the tower? It's all about magic research and power flexing and all he's got is a sword. All he cared about was reuniting with the love of his life but I'm not sure if he actually had a game plan for what he would contribute beyond that.
And that's not even getting into how most of the Magia Vander seem like dicks who would probably not appreciate him being there.
確かにウィルが塔で何すんねんって話やな。魔法研究と力自慢の場に剣一本じゃ役立たずやろ。彼女と再会すんのが最優先やったのは分かるけど、その後どうすんのか全く計画なかったンゴね。しかもマギア・ヴァンダーの連中、大体がクソみたいなやつらばっかやし、歓迎されるわけないわな。草2ちゃん+22
alexanderneimet
Honestly, I think he’s got 2 if not 3 of them on his side. Elfie is obviously on his side, the lightning dude said in season 1 that he doesn’t care who he is as long as he’s strong and useful when iris spoke to them about him right around the grand magic festival, and the light dude may or may not favor him after their run in that happened in the dungeon.
確かに。エルフィは明らかにウィルの味方だし、雷のやつも大魔法祭の時に「強くて役に立てば誰でもいい」って言ってたし、光のやつはダンジョンでの一件があってから気に入ってるかもね。つまり塔の中に少なくとも2人、場合によっては3人の味方がいるってことだと思う。普通くん+9
gta0012
原文
The whole tower thing will probably get fleshed out better in this season but it's so strange and stupid.
Congratulations you reached the peak of humanity and magic, now go live in a condo community in the sky. You can't leave. It's for the world's benefit or something.
And how fucked up is the tower that if you sent will he might get "experimented on" like tf does that mean? How miserable are your elite mages? Well we saw a 2 min clip of them and apparently the tower is full of 17 year old shit heads because of course this is another "where are the adults" anime.
塔の設定は今期でもっと詳しく説明されるんだろうけど、それにしても意味不明すぎて草。
「人類と魔法の頂点に到達おめでとう！これからは空の上のマンションで暮らしてね。出禁な。世界のためだし」って、は？って感じやん。
つーか塔ってマジで狂ってるよな。もし送り込んだら「実験される」ってどういうことやねん。エリート魔術師どもどんだけ悲惨なん？まあ2分の映像見ただけで塔は17歳のクソガキだらけってわかったけどな。またかよ「大人どこいった」アニメかよ。2ちゃん+8
Fabrosi
it’s just grad school. actually, when you put it that way it makes a lot of sense…
確かに、大学院みたいなものって考えると納得できるな。そういう見方をすると結構しっくりくるわ。普通くん+9
TyraniTEMPESTar
We got a little bit of interesting lore drop!
It was never mentioned in season 1 that the great "Terminalia" barrier had to be rebuilt every single year.
I was under the assumption that the fading barrier was the original in place by the first Magia Vanders.
おっ、面白い設定明かされたな！
「Terminalia」のバリアって毎年張り直し必要だったんかよ、S1じゃ全然触れてなかったわ。
てっきり最初のMagia Vandersが張ったやつがそのまま残ってて薄くなったもんだと思ってたンゴwww2ちゃん+47
TheBusStop12
原文
>I was under the assumption that the fading barrier was the original in place by the first Magia Vanders
This was my guess originally as well. But in season 1 already you could see the barrier pretty drastically diminish. So I already figured it was being periodically refreshed. It makes more sense as well that they'd always need to have all Magia Vander seats filled if they regularly replenish the barrier
確かに俺も最初はそう思ってた。でもシーズン1ですでにバリアがかなり減少してるのが見えたんだよね。だから定期的に補充されてるんだろうなって思ってた。定期的にバリアを補充するなら、全マギア・ヴァンダーの席が埋まってる必要があるってのも納得だわ。普通くん+18
Frontier246
I'm honestly surprised the antagonists didn't try to mess with the barrier, but it seems like they're not out to destroy the barrier but take advantage of the Magia Vander being powerless after repairing it.
「Terminalia」のバリアに関する新情報、興味深いですね。確かに敵側がバリアを直接攻撃しなかったのは、むしろ魔力消費後の魔導士を狙うという戦略的な意図が透けて見えます。1期ではバリアの存在自体が単なる設定として流されがちでしたが、この伏線を回収する形で敵の行動原理が明確になったと言えるでしょう。制作陣はバリアを単なる防御機構ではなく、物語の駆動力として機能させる設計をしていたと考察できます。考察くん+9
dfiekslafjks
MC still being bullied to a comical level.
主人公がまだ笑っちゃうレベルでいじめられてるね普通くん+45
SEBASTlANVETTEL
Eduard still having this one-sided beef with a teenager is crazy to me, especially given he knows how good Will is 😭
Was nice to see how everyone was worried about Will not being able to answer that question though. The friendships really grew after S1, even if Julius is still in denial.
Colette will never beat the losing heroine allegations though.
エドゥアルトがまだ一方的にティーンエイジャーに因縁つけてるの、正気じゃないよな。特にウィルの実力を知ってるはずなのに😭
でも、あの質問にウィルが答えられないってみんなが心配してたのは良かった。シーズン1を経て友情が確実に深まってるのがわかる。ユリウスはまだ認めたがらないけどな。
コレットは負けヒロイン疑惑を永遠に覆せそうにないな。考察くん+42
Frontier246
原文
>Eduard still having this one-sided beef with a teenager is crazy to me, especially given he knows how good Will is 😭
Considering he might be partially (or a lot) projecting his own Tower experience on Will...
>Colette will never beat the losing heroine allegations though.
When you can't succeed or make any progress with your crush because of another guy who may or may not be an avatar controlled by your absolute love rival who you hate...
エドゥアルドがまだ十代の子に一方的に因縁つけてるのヤバいよな、しかもウィルの実力知ってるのに😭
自分の塔での経験をウィルに投影してる部分が大きいんじゃないかな…
コレットは負けヒロインのレッテル一生剥がせなさそうだな。
片思いが進まないのも、絶対的な恋敵が操ってるかもしれないアバターのせいだしな…普通くん+15
Shimmering-Sky
原文
- Nice job, Will!
- His eyes certainly don’t look good…
- Pff
- What *was* she thinking?
- Catbox has uploads blocked at the moment so I can’t link it, but I definitely caught that Colette “sore demo” in the study hall.
- Ah…
- Fascinating question. Is it one that Will can even answer though?
- Damn, poor Will…
- Pretty unfortunate Will had to fail at the same time this big festival is being hosted.
- What a headtilt.
- Oh dear…
- Well, this sure is one hell of a festival crash.
- ウィルやるやん！
- あいつ目がヤバいな…
- プッw
- 何考えてたんやあれ…
- Catboxがアップロード止めててリンク貼れないンゴ。でも自習室でコレットの「それでも」は確かに聞き取ったわ
- あー…
- 興味深い疑問やな。でもウィルに答えられるんか？
- ちっ…ウィルかわいそうに
- よりによって大祭のタイミングで落ちるとか不運すぎやろ
- 首の傾げ方がすごい
- おやおや…
- まさに地獄の祭りクラッシュやな2ちゃん+21
SYZekrom
Girl he's literally just slumped over sleeping at a table in a dining hall how is that a drawn-with-detailed-shading-on-your-lips tier moment to you
???? in the credits, cool
いや、食堂のテーブルで普通に突っ伏して寝てるだけじゃん。それのどこが「唇に細かい陰影が描かれるレベルの瞬間」なんだよ。
？？？エンディングでかっこよく見えるのは分かるけど。普通くん+19
CuriousBroccolli
原文
Damn, I forgot just how good this show is, both visually and fantasy vise. Don't know how to describe it, but It perfectly captures this magical feeling of this fantasy setting that you are slowly getting pulled into, piece by piece. Every bit of additional info they put out I'm just absorbing like a little kid encountering something new for the first time.
Beautiful designs. Beautiful art and animation. AND WHAT A SOUNDTRACK! Don't know if it is underrated or what, but soundtrack is on par with Frieren for me. It's so magical, so light, yet so strong and positive. Maybe one of the best OST's ever.
I'm so happy it's back!
I hope we are not getting into drama and all out war/apocalypse right of the bat. I love the school life and dungeon dwelling pace we had so far, and I hope we get to see Magia Verde showcase why they are at the top as the 5 strongest mages.
I just wanna watch Will chill and give his best with his friends while climbing the tower!
確かに本作のクオリティは驚異的だ。視覚面とファンタジー表現の両面で、まるで魔法世界に少しずつ引き込まれていく感覚を完璧に体現している。新しい情報が出るたびに、子供が初めて何かに触れるような感覚で吸収してしまう。
デザイン、作画、アニメーションの美しさは言うまでもないが、サウンドトラックが特筆すべき点だ。『葬送のフリーレン』と同等レベルと評価できる。魔法のように軽やかでありながら力強く前向きな旋律は、もしかすると歴代OSTの中でも最高クラスかもしれない。
第2期の開始を心から歓迎する。ただ、いきなり戦争や終末的な展開にならないことを願う。これまでの学園生活とダンジョン探索のペースは理想的で、マギア・ヴェルデが最強5人の魔術師としての実力を示す場面をぜひ見たい。
ウィルが友人たちとリラックスしながら塔を登り、全力を尽くす姿をただ見守りたいというのが本音だ。考察くん+19
ARMADIL777
Ngl the ending was super satisfying to me, it was really annoying seeing this stupid festival while our MC got f\*cked by this ass teacher.
Glad the villains came to ruin everyone's day.
いやマジで終わり方最高だったわw あのバカみたいな祭りで主人公がクソ教師にボコボコにされてるの見るのムカついてたんだよ笑 悪役どもが全員のテンションぶち壊してくれてスッキリしたわwwwwwwおじ+19
notanfan
How is the animation?
作画どうなん？ガチで気になるンゴ2ちゃん+15
praul59
Still the same if not even better this time probably more noticeable when there’s some action this season
マジで前より良くなってるッ！アクションシーンが特にやばいから今期は絶対見たほうがいい！感情くん+40
Meiolore
Art is still beautiful as ever, a lot of really nice shots in this episode. Animation wise, it is still good, but it can't be judged yet since nothing major is going on
作画は相変わらず綺麗だね。今週も良いカットがたくさんあった。動きに関してもまだ悪くないけど、大きな展開がないから判断はまだ早いかな。普通くん+12
yomommalol69
still solid as ever. the op has some really beautiful shots too
作画は相変わらずガチで安定してるンゴwww OPもめっちゃ綺麗なカットあって草2ちゃん+5
LeonKevlar
原文
I see Edward continues to be a professional Will hater. he dude really fucked him over and [created an exam with one question targeted at Will to make sure he doesn't enter the tower. Like, damn. Where does Will go from here?
I do love how one of the people they showed that was concerned about Will not being able to answer the question is Sion. This dude has really developed a lot since his first introduction as anime Draco Malfoy.
Welp, I saw that ending coming from a mile away. Well, Kinda. I was expecting the barrier to crack and fall apart before they got attacked. Maybe Will can show what he can do here and saving people might get him into the tower?
エドワード、相変わらずウィルへの嫌がらせがプロ級だな。あいつ本当にウィルを陥れて、塔に入れないように一問だけウィル狙い撃ちの試験を作ったんだぜ。マジで。これからウィルはどうすんだろうな。
でもシオンがウィルの回答不能を心配してたのは良い描写だと思う。あのドラコ・マルフォイみたいな第一印象からかなり成長したんだな。
結末は予想通りだった。まあ半分くらいは。バリアが割れて崩れるまでは予想してたけど、襲撃される前に。多分ウィルがここで実力を見せて、人を救うことで塔に入れるようになるんじゃないか？考察くん+20
Frontier246
Sion is the best tsundere rival boyfriend a guy could ask for.
It's kind of funny to me that the Magia Vander actually do something on-screen for once...and now they're all functionally useless again so the main characters have something to do.
シオンは最高のツンデレライバル彼氏だよね。
マギア・ヴァンダーがようやく画面で動いてるのを見ると笑っちゃうな…そして今度は主要キャラが活躍するためにまた全員役立たずになってるし。普通くん+9
Meiolore
>It's kind of funny to me that the Magia Vander actually do something on-screen for once...and now they're all functionally useless again so the main characters have something to do.
Honestly, this is an amazing way to write the Magia Vander out of the story lol. Now there is a canonical reason why the strongest cannot interfere and solve the issue ASAP.
確かに、マギア・ヴァンダーがようやく画面で動きを見せたと思ったら、またすぐに実質的に役立たずに戻るってのは皮肉の効いた構成だよな。でもこれは逆に、最強格のキャラを物語から排除する見事な手法だと思う。彼らがすぐに問題解決できない正当な理由が、物語上きっちり用意されたわけだから。考察くん+7
diacewrb
The classic test that is designed for you to fail when a teacher doesn't like you.
Lord Zedd from Power Rangers graces us with his presence.
やばくね！？これって先生に嫌われてる生徒を落とすためのテストじゃん笑
パワーレンジャーのゼッド様が降臨してるんだけどwwwギャル+11
TyraniTEMPESTar
原文
So we got a good look at the "Celestial Hosts" in that picture book lore drop the little girl was holding during the festival.
It definitely seems like it was Angels that came down upon the Earth, and sought mankind's destruction.
Then we saw the villains open up magic circles and brought forth what looked like demons from hell, yet, they had halos above their heads.
So were they demons, or fallen angels?
Makes me wonder what really are the Celestial Hosts and what did the enemies call forth.
Was it like a war between Heaven and Hell, and mankind got stuck in the middle?
Hell is in the depths of the dungeon maybe? And the Heaven is kept at bay by the barrier?
Makes me wonder are these same Celestial Hosts the ones that destroyed the Elven and Dwarven worlds as well?
Great start to the season seeing all the characters again!
I'm hoping we get some more background on what's truly going on in the world.
祭りの時に少女が持ってた絵本で「天の軍勢」の姿がしっかり描写されてたな
やっぱり地球に降り立ったのは天使で、人類を滅ぼそうとしてたっぽいンゴね
んで敵が魔法陣開いて地獄から出てきたっぽいやつらには、頭上に輪っかがあったんだよな
つまりあれは悪魔なのか堕天使なのか…
天の軍勢の正体と敵が召喚したもの、気になりすぎるわ
HeavenとHellの戦争に人類が巻き込まれたパターンか？
地獄はダンジョンの深層にあって、天はバリアで抑えられてるとか？
エルフとドワーフの世界を滅ぼしたのも同じ天の軍勢なんかな
キャラ勢揃いで今期もいい滑り出しやったわ
世界の真相もっと掘り下げてくれや2ちゃん+11
GentleLoli
So like why the heck doesn't the head mistress just fire his ass? Thats pure discrimination. Also can this please turn into a revenge story. Like why should he protect any of these people that look down on him? Would be so much more satisfying. Climb the tower by force he's literally stronger than everyone.
なんで理事長は彼をクビにしないんだよ。完全に差別じゃん。あとこれ復讐劇になってほしいわ。見下してくる連中をなんで守らなきゃいけないんだよ。もっとスカッとする展開にしてくれよ。実力で塔を登れよ、彼は全員より明らかに強いんだから。普通くん+14
Zer0323
the shaft head tilt reminded me that we are in the queue for peak... just give it time to rumble.
シャフト首かしげ（Shaft head tilt）きたー！これで俺たちが最高傑作（peak）の順番待ちしてるって思い出したわ…あとはゴロゴロ来るのを待つだけッ！感情くん+8
djthomp
Man that professor is such an ass.
Announcer witch is cute, but perhaps a bit too desperately single. Hopefully she doesn't die in this attack.
It's a bad situation, but it also seems like a perfect opportunity for Will to demonstrate in front of the entire city why he should have passed.
あの教授、ホントにクソだな。
アナウンスしてる魔女は可愛いけど、ちょっと必死すぎるシングル感あるね。この攻撃で死ななきゃいいけど。
状況は最悪だけど、ウィルが街中の前で自分が合格すべき理由を証明する絶好のチャンスでもある気がする。普通くん+7
Opening_Method6424
I know with the attack on the city, Will is going to go help. But, honestly, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't. If they're going to fail him, hold him back when his powers saved many student, then let those they view as worthy save the day. Because, according to them, they don't need him ir his help.
確かにウィルは街の襲撃に駆けつけるだろう。しかし、彼が行かない選択をしても責められないという考察ができる。彼の力が多くの学生を救ったにもかかわらず、彼らはウィルを失敗扱いし足枷をはめた。ならば「価値ある者」たちが事態を収めるべきだ。彼らの論理では、ウィルもその助力も必要ないのだから。考察くん+7
random-user-420
Bro this professor is crashing out over a teenager…
I mean, tbf Will’s answer kinda sucked, but the exam being pass/fail is extremely unfair when it’s only 1 question and the correct answer is subjective
この教授、ティーンエイジャー相手にキレすぎでしょ…
まあ正直ウィルの回答も微妙だったけど、たった1問だけで合否決めるのってめちゃくちゃ不公平じゃない？しかも正解が主観的なのに。普通くん+6
Prince_of_Taniwha13
It was a cool intro for Clairie, figured she would be a comedic character since in S1 her cooking is referred to as a dislike for both Edward and workner 😂
確かに！クレアの登場シーンかっこよすぎるッ！S1でエドワードとワークナーが彼女の料理を苦手って言ってたから、俺もてっきりコメディ枠かと思ってたわ😂 まさかのギャップ萌えで優勝！感情くん+6
Primary-Paint-1716
can't wait for will to save the whole city and still not get to the fucking tower.
ウィルが街を全部救っても、まだあの塔にすら辿り着かない展開、待ちきれないわ。普通くん+6
ajreed96
Can will and finn just teach these bigots a lession already
「ウィルとフィン、いい加減あの差別野郎どもに一発かましてやれよッ！早く見たい！」感情くん+5
oneevilchicken
原文
Wow. Thank you. Someone finally said it. Will is going though absolute hell and the girl in the tower does nothing but sit there and ignore him. I’m proud Colette finally said it.
I know it won’t happen because this author doesn’t do that type of mc, but I wish Will would go full anti hero or borderline villain at this point. Would make things wayyyy more interesting than the current goody two shoes that Will is.
わかる。ようやく言ってくれた人出てきたね。ウィルは地獄みたいな状況なのに塔の女はただ座って無視してるだけだし。コレットがついに言ってくれて嬉しいよ。
この作者はそういう主人公描かないの分かってるけど、ここらでウィルが完全なアンチヒーローか限界ギリギリの悪役になってほしいわ。今の良い子ちゃんウィルよりずっと面白くなると思うんだけどな。普通くん+6
Dead-HC-Taco
Just me or did this episode feel... off? Felt a bit too fast paced and some characters couldnt decide if they hate him or not
え、マジで？確かにちょっと違和感あったかも笑 展開早すぎじゃね？キャラたちもコイツ嫌いなの？好きなの？どっちよ！って感じだったしｗギャル+6
Fit_Advice_1689
原文
I didn’t think so. But if it’s true, I think that’s because they were wanting to just get to the beginning of the next arc. If they slowed down, we’d have two episodes (or episode and a half) dedicated to everyone finishing exams, Will taking and failing the last one, and then the start of the attack. IMO, it would be two very boring episodes that felt purposely drawn out and they wouldn’t really add any substance to the story. I liked this tho, didn’t feel uber rushed but properly tied up everything that happened last season and started on a perfect cliff hanger for ep 2.
そうは思わなかったな。でももしそうだとしても、次のアークに入るための準備だと思う。もしゆっくりやってたら、みんなが試験を受け終わって、ウィルが最後の試験を受けて落ちて、襲撃が始まるっていう2話分（1話半くらい）になっちゃう。個人的には、それはわざと引き伸ばしただけの退屈な2話になって、ストーリーに何の深みも加えないと思う。俺は今回好きだよ。すごく急いでる感じはしなかったし、前シーズンの話をしっかりまとめて、2話への完璧なクリフハンガーで終わったしね。普通くん+5
mucklaenthusiast
原文
I mean, if it was, I feel like it was there to get to the cliffhanger.
Also, they needed to show every major character, all of them even getting a title card, which makes sense. The first season aired a while ago.
So maybe they had to extend some little moments here and there to make all of this happen, dunno.
I feel like the first half felt like a bit of a recap, even showing scenes from last season.
確かに前半はちょっと総集編感あったな。前シーズンのシーンまで流すしな。
でもまあ、あれだけのキャラ全員にタイトルカード出すなら尺調整は必要やろ。第一話から時間経ってるし、視聴者に思い出させる意味もあったんやない？
クリフハンガーに向けての布石って感じやね。ワイは気にならんかったで。2ちゃん+5
feb914
原文
Of course the petty teacher set the test to be impossible to pass for Will. I even doubt that even if Will answers the question right, he'd give him a passing mark. He can see Will's name and give "FAIL" without reading.
Also it's true that Will's childhood friend barely do anything except sitting in the tower. Colette is more proactive in helping Will, just to likely end up as losing runner up.
教師の小物感すごいな。ウィルに合格させたくてテストを不可能にしてるのは明らかだし、たとえ正解しても名前見て「不合格」って書きそう。
あと幼なじみは塔に座ってるだけだよね。コレットの方が積極的にウィルを助けてるのに、結局負けヒロインになりそうで悲しい。普通くん+5
HolyDragSwd2500
EDWARD😡😡😡
Festival is now under attack. Will prove to everyone here
エドワードぉぉぉぉ！！😡😡😡
祭りが襲われてるンゴ…。ここで見せてやるわ、ワイの実力をな2ちゃん+6
Sleepy10105s
I loved this episode but man were all the major plot beats absolutely telegraphed
このエピソード好きだけど、主要な展開が全部バレバレだったな普通くん+5
DragonPup
I genuinely feel bad for Colette. She loves and cares for Will when no one else is there for him despite knowing Will won't ever return those feelings because he is obsessed with Elfie. It would be nice if Elfie could at least write to Will ya know. It feels so... one sided.
コレットには本当に同情してしまう。ウィルに誰も寄り添わない中で、彼女だけは愛情と気遣いを注いでいるのに、ウィルがエルフィに夢中でその想いに応えることは決してないと分かっているからだ。せめてエルフィが手紙の一つでも書いてくれればいいのに。あまりにも…片思いすぎるんだよな。考察くん+5
