放送 2026-06-14更新 2026-07-16
YonSaiSucks
There you go folks, GILF Ceridwen/Cauldron It waa funny how Julius got accepted so quickly without even doing anything. Elfaria be like "yeah, yeah you can join, now let my bae do his thing" Yeah Kreutz, shut up and git good And of course Elfaria gets cucked again Animators, please dont fuck up Zeo vs Elfaria
考察班として言わせてもらうと、ユリウスが何もせずに即加入したのは、エルファリアが彼の潜在能力を直感的に見抜いていたからだと思われる。クルーツへの「黙って実力をつけろ」という流れも、物語的に彼が今後重要な役割を担う伏線かもしれない。そしてエルファリアがまたしても不憫な立場に…。制作陣には、ゼオ対エルファリア戦のクオリティに特に注力してほしいと願うばかりだ。考察くん
Farmaceut7
Julius 2 episodes ago: I'll help him to make myself look good in front of Elfaria-sama! Elfaria as soon as tha fight started: No need to do anything, come and join me. Julius: But, I must support my boyfrie....
2話前のユリウス:「エルファリア様の前で良いところを見せるために奴を助けるのだ!」
戦闘開始直後のエルファリア:「何もする必要はない、我がもとに来たまえ」
ユリウス:「しかし、我が盟友を支えねばならぬ……」
——まさに運命の歯車が狂い始めた瞬間よ。中二病
feb914
You got it wrong. He got admitted because he showed that he cared about Will in the last week, so he didn't have to do anything in the Bloom itself.
それは違うよ。彼が合格したのは、最終週にウィルを気にかける姿を見せたからで、ブルーム自体では何もする必要がなかったんだ。普通くん
NK1337
Yea, last week everyone even confirmed that Julius was pretty much the single most capable mage out of all of them… but nobody else wanted to pick him because he used ice magic and elfie was just being petty 😂 The moment she saw he was willing to break the rules to help Will was all she needed to know he was alright lol
せやな、先週みんなでユリウスが一番有能な魔術師やって認めてたやん…なのに誰も選ばんかったんは氷魔法使うからで、エルフィがただの意地っ張りやっただけやろww ウィル助けるためにルール破る覚悟あると分かった瞬間に「こいつはアリ」って思ったんやろなw2ちゃん
Boris-_-Badenov
as soon as he started showing he actually cared while helping him train, she was going to take him
かの者が本気で鍛錬を助けつつ、真の想いを現し始めたその瞬間——彼女は彼を連れ去ろうとしたのでござるな。武士
Meiolore
原文
Julius was pretty much the single most capable mage out of all of them What made me curious is that the ice faction never once scouted Julius even before the Will fiasco. They say that the truly talented mages got recruited even before they graduate. Julius was mentioned to be the first mage capable of replicating Elfie's secret art (with 0 guidance), that must've taken quite a bit of talent, yet he still went under the radar for the past 6 years, never been scouted even once, even before Elfie became the magia vander I assume. Even if we assume that he just recently learnt that skill, his fundamentals should be way more than above average for him to be able to learn the ice cloning technique.
ジュリウスは全員の中で断トツで有能な魔術師やったな。気になったんやけど、氷派閥はウィル事件の前から一度もジュリウスをスカウトしてなかったんか?「真に才能ある魔術師は卒業前に引き抜かれる」って言われてるのに。エルフィーの秘術を(0指導で)再現できた初めての魔術師って言われてたジュリウス、相当な才能やったはずやのに、過去6年間ずっとノーマークで一度もスカウトされなかったんか?エルフィーがマギア・ヴァンダーになる前からやと思うけど。仮に最近そのスキルを覚えたとしても、氷の分身術を習得できる時点で基礎能力は平均以上どころちゃうやろ。2ちゃん
BoBab
Elfie knew about Julius before and didn't like him. Remember how Julius was lying about his abilities before by secretly getting his cronies to route their magic to him? Will wasn't tricked by that and surely neither was Elfie. The dude acted like he was more talented than Elfie even though he was using deceitful tactics. That won't get you scouted by the ice faction early.
エルフィは以前からユリウスのことを知っていて、彼を嫌っていたんだな。ユリウスがこっそり手下に魔力を送らせて能力を偽っていたのを思い出してほしい。ウィルはそれに騙されなかったし、エルフィも当然騙されなかったはずだ。あの男は不正な手段を使っていたくせに、エルフィより才能があるかのように振る舞っていた。そんなやり方で氷の学派に早期スカウトされるわけがないという考察ができる。考察くん
ErenIsNotADevil
原文
Julius replicating her spell was still very much an imitation when he showed it off in the tournament arc, and while he was talented as far as the remaining students go, he wasn't exactly impressive enough to sway the Vander. Additionally, Elfie was noted to pay little attention to people other than Will. What she saw of Julius was only arrogance, selfishness, and disregard for others; especially Will.
まあジュリアスがトーナメント編で彼女の魔法を再現した時はまだ完全な模倣に過ぎなかったし、残りの生徒の中では才能ある方だが、ヴァンダーを動かすほど印象的ではなかったんだろうな。それにエルフィはウィル以外にはあまり関心がないって言われてたしな。彼女が見たジュリアスは傲慢で自己中心的で他人を軽視する姿、特にウィルに対する態度だけだったんだろう。ドライおじ
Frontier246
but nobody else wanted to pick him because he used ice magic and elfie was just being petty 😂 Also their friend group was all concerned about Will and never brought him up once but then again it's not like he'd have cared if they switched positions.
確かに他の誰も彼を選びたがらなかったのは、氷魔法を使ったからで、エルフィーがただ意地悪してただけだよね😂 それにウィルのこと心配してた友人グループが彼の話は一度も出さなかったけど、まあ立場が逆だったとしても気にしてなかっただろうな。普通くん
Abedeus
To be fair, in the end it ended up helping Wil since nobody else would help him as well as Julius could've.
確かに、最終的にはユリウスほどウィルを助けられる者はいなかったゆえ、結果として良き方へ転んだのでござるな。武士
uwnim
Yeah, he already displayed more than enough talent. So all he had to do was get Elfie to stop hating him so much.
確かに!ウィルは才能ありすぎだし、あとはエルフィの憎しみをどうにかするだけだったんだなッ!この展開エモすぎる〜!感情くん
Farmaceut7
Um... That's literally what I've said?
まあ、俺が言ったことそのまんまだな。ドライおじ
Frontier246
I love how Julius gave Will one last tsundere motivational speech for the road.
ジュリアスが最後にツンデレでウィルに激励の言葉をかけるとこ、やばくね!?まじで最高じゃん!ギャル
Brazilian_Kirito
Soviet Union - "Our Boyfriend"
ソ連「我らの彼氏」って草2ちゃん
shad79
原文
And of course Elfaria gets cucked again Elfaria really isn't having it easy, hahaha. She barely reunited with Will in today's episode and already someone wants to take him away from her 😆 There you go folks, GILF Ceridwen/Cauldron I hope Cerridwen was telling the truth when she said this is her real body . I really don't want her boobs to turn out to be fake ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Yeah Kreutz, shut up and git good He was really getting on my nerves. Good thing Zeo put him in his place by asking if he wants to take a shot from him as well, just like Will 😆
エルファリアまたもや空気読まれてて草w ウィルとやっと再会したと思ったらもう奪われそうになってて笑ったわ。そして出てきたGILFのケリドウェン。あの胸が本物ってのを信じたいんだがな…( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)クルーツはもう黙って強くなれよ、うざかった。ゼオが「ウィルと同じようにお前も喰らうか?」って言って黙らせたのは最高だったw普通くん
Abedeus
I hope Cerridwen was telling the truth when she said this is her real body. I really don't want her boobs to turn out to be fake ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) She's called the "Ageless Witch", and she has to actively cast a spell to age herself physically, so I assume that she does indeed look like she does right now in reality, only casting said spell when she has to assume duties of the "old" version.
セリドウェンが「これが本当の姿」と言ったのが真実であってほしい。正直、彼女の胸が偽物だったら悲しい( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)。彼女は「不老の魔女」と呼ばれていて、わざと老化の呪文をかけているらしい。つまり、今見えている姿が本来の姿で、公務の時だけ年寄りバージョンに変身していると推測できる。考察くん
RedRocket4000
As she a comrade of Finn I take she's immortal fully like him. So yep forever young and we already know she casts every type of magic but one so very very powerful when you add in her age. When she said she stays to defend if Will beat she not being illogically brave more I can take it on but don't want to expose myself.
フィンの仲間ってことは彼女も完全に不死なんだろうな。つまり永遠に若いままってことだ。それに彼女はほとんど全属性の魔法を使えるって分かってるし、年齢を考えればめちゃくちゃ強いだろ。ウィルに負けたら自分が守るって言った時も、無謀な勇敢さじゃなくて「やれなくはないけど、正体は晒したくない」って感じだったな。普通くん
metalpharoah
If it were me I would have 'teleported' myself to him, grabbed him, went to the floor then zap myself back up and tell him, "No magic. Dodge now. Goodbye."
やばくね!?私だったらテレポートで一気に近づいて、相手を掴んで床に倒してからまたテレポートで戻って「魔法禁止よ。今避けて。バイバイ」って言っちゃうわ笑ギャル
Frontier246
原文
There you go folks, GILF Ceridwen/Cauldron I think I speak for many when I say...still would. It waa funny how Julius got accepted so quickly without even doing anything. Elfaria be like "yeah, yeah you can join, now let my bae do his thing" I love how she went from barely acknowledging his existence to smiling so warmly at him when he joined the exclusive "true allies of Will" club. Yeah Kreutz, shut up and git good He definitely peed himself when Zeo threatened to vaporize him. And of course Elfaria gets cucked again She should've gone for a kiss while she had the chance. Animators, please dont fuck up Zeo vs Elfaria The next episode preview makes it look pretty epic if nothing else.
「ほら見ろ、GILFのケリディス/カウルドロンだ。多くの人の意見を代弁すると…それでも行けるわ。ユリウスが何もせずにあっさり受け入れられたのが面白かったな。エルファリアは「はいはい、君は加入していいよ。今は推しにやらせて」って感じだった。彼女がウィルの存在をほぼ無視してた状態から、真の味方クラブに彼が加わった瞬間、こんなに温かい笑顔を向けるようになったのが大好きだ。そうだクライツ、黙って強くなれよ。ゼオに消し飛ばすと脅されて確実に漏らしてたな。そして当然エルファリアはまた空振り。チャンスがあった時にキスすべきだったのに。アニメーター、頼むからゼオvsエルファリアを台無しにしないでくれ。次回予告だけでもかなり壮大に見えるんだから。」考察くん
meDeadly1990
Animators, please dont fuck up Zeo vs Elfaria Considering the preview and animation thus far I don't think they'll be able to match the source material.
ふむ…予告編とこれまでの戦いを見る限り、ゼオ対エルファリアの決戦は原作の壮絶なる記録を再現するのは不可能に近い。アニメーター諸君、その魂の煌めきを我が目に刻ませてくれ。中二病
RedRocket4000
原文
Sometime hard to beat source material at least for source material readers as Print and Black and white do have advantages in making somethings look cooler. Remember more than one fight where the animation and print have identical parts but fans think the print superior even though they match at that moment the print shows. In Fair Tail is was a black and white drill looks a lot cooler with the spinning motions symbols used in print while the color drill identical in shape lost impact with silver color over like brown background instead of black over white and you could tell drill spinning but animated spin not as obvious as spin indicating lines.
原作の良さを超えるのって難しいよな、特に原作読者からすると。白黒の印刷には「よりカッコよく見せる」って利点があるからな。フェアリーテイルのドリル攻撃とか、白黒の方が回転線の表現で迫力出てたのに、アニメだと色が付いたせいでインパクト半減してたし。動いてるのは分かるけど、回転の激しさが伝わりにくかったわ。2ちゃん
HolyDragSwd2500
Elfie: you helped my boyfriend pass the test You’re a consolation prize
エルフィ:「彼氏の試験合格を手伝ったんだよね…あなたは“慰めの賞品”だよ」普通くん
BBryant3rd
He was already more than qualified. He only didn't get admitted due to messing with the love of the faction leader. He made things right by helping him be able to stand at her side. Also to insure no one can question Will being able to do it on his own.
このキャラは既に十分な実力者だったんだよな。ただ派閥リーダーの恋路を邪魔したせいで入学できなかっただけで。彼が彼女の隣に立てるよう助けたことで、ウィルの実力を誰にも疑わせないようにしたとも考察できる。考察くん
Boris-_-Badenov
I'm betting Will joins all/most of the factions. it will fit the theme, and he will be able to train with all of this friends
ウィルが全部の派閥に入る流れだろw テーマにも合うし、仲間みんなと一緒に訓練できるってわけだな笑wwwおじ
AncientAnt9225
No way Elfiaria is getting cucked she has the Will !! First i hope she fucks up Zeo, second it doesnt matter Will has a say where he will go smh
まさかエルフィアリアが寝取られるなんてありえんやろ!彼女はウィルを手に入れる意志を持ってるンゴwww まずはゼオをぶっ飛ばしてほしいわ、次にウィルがどこに行くかは本人次第やしな。草2ちゃん
bondsmatthew
Yeah Kreutz, shut up and git good One of the most annoying types of characters in anime for me. It's always great to see them get their shit kicked in, verbally or physically
クルツは黙って実力つけろよwww アニメで一番ウザいキャラタイプの一つだわ笑 口でも物理でもボコられるの見るのは最高だなwwwwおじ
Aerodynamic41
It's utterly ridiculous how Kreutz keeps trying to move the goalposts. Zeo finally shutting him up was so satisfying!
クロイツが何度も何度もゴールポスト動かそうとしてくるのマジでありえなさすぎるッ! ゼオがついに黙らせてくれたシーン、マジで最高すぎて泣いたわ!!感情くん
YonSaiSucks
What do you expect lol. We know he wants to experiment on Will, it was never about proving himself
まあそうだよね。ウィルを実験したいってのは最初からわかってたし、自分を証明するためなんかじゃなかったんだよな。普通くん
Original-Body-5794
Yeah, this time it was pretty explicit that it was never about not acknowledging will's strenght, he had his own motives to block will. This is much more tolerable than if the guy just said "He's not a mage!" and that was his only real reason to block him.
今回の描写で明確になったのは、ウィルの実力を認めていないわけではなく、彼自身の目的があって妨害していたという点だな。「魔法使いじゃない!」という理由だけで妨害するよりは、ずっと納得できる展開だと思う。考察くん
Atharaphelun
I definitely hunger for a more serious form of karmic justice enacted upon this despicable interloper.
このクソ野郎にはもっとちゃんとした因果応報が訪れてほしいな。普通くん
Qxujevoz
It sorta makes Elfie even more pathetic for buying into his nonsense. If she spent more time on gaining influence instead of sulking & spying on Will, she could've overcame Kreutz long ago.
エルフィがウィルのデタラメを信じ込んじゃったの、それでますます可哀想に見えるんだけどッ! もし彼女がウィルをこっそり監視して落ち込む時間を、もっと影響力をつけるのに使ってたら、とっくにクロイツを乗り越えられたのに…無理すぎるしんどい感情くん
Flying-Camel
Asshole-san just wants his lab rat.
アッソホールさんは自分の実験台が欲しいだけだよね。普通くん
CuriousBroccolli
Temu Aizen 😭
テムの藍染すぎて泣いたww感情くん
diegz_eliaz
Even calling him Temu aizen is giving him too much credit
テムアイゼンって呼ぶのも逆に持ち上げすぎじゃね?笑ギャル
RedRocket4000
Mayuri Kurotsuchi 12th Captain who you wanted to say. But I respect him a lot more than Kreutz at least so far. If Kreutz creations save the towers ass I will give him the same credit I give 12ths Captain crazy underhanded sicko but at least he fights well for our side.
確かに言いたかったのは12番隊隊長の涅マユリだね。少なくとも今のところはクルツより彼の方がずっと評価してる。もしクルツの創造物が塔の連中を救うなら、俺も12番隊隊長と同じように認めるよ。狂った卑劣な変態だけど、少なくとも味方のためにちゃんと戦ってくれるからな。普通くん
diegz_eliaz
Completely agree mayuri is the kinda guy who ‘the means justify the ends’ sentence was made for but kreutz currently falls under ‘the means do not lead to the ends💀’ and something tells me he’s not gonna be doing any mayuri level feats but then again time will tell we’ll just have to come back to this in a szn or 2 and see
確かにマユリは「手段が目的を正当化する」って言葉のために生まれてきたような男やけど、クルーソーは今のところ「手段が目的に繋がってねえ💀」って感じやな。マユリ級の大技は出せなさそうやけど、まあ時が経てばわかるやろ。1、2シーズン後にまた確認しに来ようや。2ちゃん
Dray_Gunn
If they could reverse engineer the mage slayer and make an anti magic sword for Will, that would be a useful alternative for him. Or dual wielding.
やばくね!?ウィルがマジックスレイヤーを解析して対魔剣作れたらめっちゃ便利じゃん!しかも二刀流とかしたら最強じゃね?笑ギャル
GioMeow
bruh thats so disrespectul for both Aizen AND Temu
あのシーン、藍染とTemuの両方に対してマジで失礼すぎるだろ普通くん
CuriousBroccolli
LMAO 😆
あらま笑っちゃうじゃん😂ギャル
bbhldelight
had kreutz scared for his life and he knew zeo was bout it 😹
クルーツが本気でビビってたし、ゼオがやるって分かってたんだな😹普通くん
Farmaceut7
Bro is next level racist and just wants to experiment on Will, he folded so fucking hard when Zeo asked if he could take one of his attacks head on!
それな!あいつマジでレベチな人種差別野郎だし、ウィルで実験したいだけじゃん!ゼオに「お前の攻撃を正面から受けられるか?」って聞かれた瞬間、めっちゃビビってたし無理すぎるッ!感情くん
oops_i_made_a_typi
honestly i don't get why Elfie didn't just snap earlier and do the same thing, instead of her 5th time being "I'm ANGYY" and backing off
確かに、エルフィがなんでもっと早くキレて同じことしなかったのかな。5回も「ムカつく!」って言って引っ込むより、最初からやってればよかったのにね。普通くん
redwingz11
The other magia vender either still benefit if Will became lab rat or just didnt care at all. The other faction didnt have the political power of magia vender. Zeo is the only one in a position that have no ties with Will, a magia vender, and want him in his faction. Elfie always has the nepotism/favoritism thing following her.
この状況、構造的にかなり興味深いな。他のマギア・ヴェンダーは、ウィルが実験台になっても自分たちに利益があるか、あるいは完全に無関心だったわけだ。他の派閥にはマギア・ヴェンダーほどの政治力はない。ゼオだけがウィルと何の縁もなく、かつ彼を自分の派閥に引き入れたい唯一の立場にいる。エルフィには常に縁故主義・えこひいきのレッテルがつきまとっている点も、伏線として機能していると思われる。考察くん
_Nextt_
Kreutz getting his ass denied is one of the most satisfying moments of this year. What an absolute hater
クルーツがボコボコにされて完全敗北するシーン、今年一番のスカッと展開すぎじゃない!?マジでムカつくやつだったからマジで最高!笑ギャル
splitframe
At a certain point I wonder why anyone was even listening to him. It feels like every other character can just claim something or do whatever they want, while the MC Team have to prove everything and can't "overstep".
確かに、彼の言うことを誰も信じなかった理由がよくわかるな。他のキャラは好き勝手に主張したり行動できるのに、主人公チームだけは全てを証明しなければならず、「出過ぎた真似」が許されない構造が徹底してる。これは作中で意図的に描かれた権力構造の非対称性だと思われる。考察くん
oops_i_made_a_typi
every character except Elfie ofc, I guess you can call her part of the useless MC Team that's never allowed to do what they want and just is there to get pushed around by everyone else
もちろんエルフィ以外はね。彼女は、やりたいことができずに周りに振り回されてるだけの役立たず主人公チームの一員って感じかな普通くん
oops_i_made_a_typi
Zeo finally shutting him up was so satisfying! yet, Zeo is now moving the goalposts himself, looks like they're turning the selection process into a fight between leaders for some bullshit reason instead of the initial thing they told us - it's up to the person being selected. idk why the bothered telling us that if they're just gonna break that rule right away
ゼオがついに奴を黙らせたのは実に痛快だったな。しかし、今度はゼオ自身がルールを変え始めた。どうやら選抜プロセスが、当初の「選ばれる側の意思が全て」という説明から、リーダー同士のいざこざにすり替わってるように見える。最初にわざわざ「選ばれる側次第」と説明しておきながら、すぐにそのルールを破るなら、なぜそんな設定を入れたのか考察が分かれるところだ。考察くん
fellhand
原文
I think it is like they said, since Will is an anomaly they don't really know the best way to handle him. The current system, including the bloom and faction selection process, is set up to develop wands. Technically Will was supposed to be trained and developed by Finn, and was never supposed to even try to go up the tower. But he wants to be with Elfie, and Cerridwen also wanted to try developing his powers in a way that is different than what Finn was planning. Based on their conversations this season and last. So all the leaders are more open to the treatment of Will being different than the normal process since the aren't certain what the best way to develop and make use of Will's power.
せやな、ウィルが異常個体やから扱いに困ってるんやろな
現行のシステムは杖育成用に出来とるし、本来ならフィンが指導して塔に登らせる予定やったんや
でもウィルはエルフィと一緒にいたいし、前シーズンから見てるとセリドゥエンもフィンとは違う方法で力を伸ばそうとしてるっぽい
結局リーダー連中も「どう育てるのが正解か分からん」って感じで、ウィルだけ特別扱いOKになってるンゴwww2ちゃん
oops_i_made_a_typi
But none of that explains why a 1v1 battle is at all a sensible way to settle the claims on him other than rule of cool. Ultimately I'm just hating on the writing
1対1のバトルで決着をつけるのが、クールだから以外に合理的な理由がないんだよな。結局、俺は脚本にケチつけてるだけだけどさ。普通くん
Dray_Gunn
After seeing them reunited i am now fully invested in Will and Elfie. Though i am thinking Will might get stronger with Zeo as a mentor instead of Elfie. As frustrating as that may be.
やばっ!ウィルとエルフィーが再会したシーン見て完全に推すわ〜!でもさ、ウィルはエルフィーじゃなくてゼオが師匠になった方が強くなれるんじゃね?って思っちゃうんだよね。それがちょっとムカつくけどさ笑ギャル
Ocixo
Zeo would probably be a better fit for Will in terms of combat style, but the show has been working towards Will and Elfie getting reunited so much that any other outcome would just kind of piss me off at this point. You cannot keep throwing obstacles in their way. Unfortunately, I can see Elfie lose a head-on fight against Zeo.
せやな、戦闘スタイル的にはゼオの方がウィルに合ってるかもな。でもこのアニメ、ウィルとエルフィの再会に向けてめっちゃ積み上げてきてるやん。今さら別の展開にされたらワイキレるわ。もう障害物を挟むんはやめてくれや。ただ、エルフィがゼオに正面から負ける展開もあり得そうで怖いンゴ…2ちゃん
KYZ123
原文
Honestly, Elfie losing here would feel really bad. Will's fought - and won - countless times for her, against opponents he should really have no business beating. If Elfie can't beat another Magia Vander (someone who should be about on the same level as her) for him, she really is just a damsel-in-distress. Or I guess Will is the damsel-in-distress now, but you get the point. Not to mention after all that build up earlier in the episode, not to mention the entire series; tearing them apart now would feel like it's just for the sake of keeping them apart.
正直なところ、ここでエルフィが負けるのは結構キツい展開だと思う。ウィルは彼女のために、本来なら勝ち目がないはずの相手に何度も挑んで勝利してきた。もしエルフィが同じマギア・ヴァンダー(実力的には互角のはず)相手に彼のために勝てないのなら、彼女はただの囚われのお姫様でしかないってことになる。まあ今やウィルが囚われの身になってるけど、言いたいことは分かるだろう。それに、今週のエピソードで積み上げてきた展開やシリーズ全体の流れを考慮すると、ここで二人を引き裂くのは単に離れ離れにしておくための方便にしか感じられないという考察ができる。考察くん
Ocixo
> (…) tearing them apart now would feel like it’s just for the sake of keeping them apart. This. They have to “reward” the audience at some point for their patience. Kicking the can even further down the road, especially right now, simply means that the author couldn’t think of any other ways to innovate the story.
確かに。今さら彼らを引き離すのは、ただ離れ離れにしておくためだけの展開にしか見えないよね。ある程度は視聴者の忍耐に報いるタイミングが必要だと思う。特にこのタイミングで先延ばしにするのは、作者がストーリーを革新する他の方法を思いつけなかったってことだよ。普通くん
AvatarTuner
原文
Judging from how the series went so far, I have a bad feeling that we're getting blueballed yet again . 😕 Because if it were not so, why bring up that new conflict at all after we just had multiple episodes of conflicts and trials? Just so Elfie has to prove herself as well? While I'm curious to see how a battle between two magia vander goes and also understand how much of an outlier Will is, it's still getting exhausting. If Elfie wins, they might as well just have ended with the hug and finally be done with that selection thing, so I assume Zeo will get Will for now... I just hope that Will and Elfie can at least see each other even if he's in another faction. Else I'm gonna be so mad.
今シリーズの展開から察するに、またもや焦らし展開が来る気がしてならないんだよな😕。だってそうでなければ、あれだけの試練と衝突を経た後に、なぜ新たな対立を持ち込む必要がある?単にエルフィが自分を証明するためだけか?魔導杖使い同士の戦いには興味あるし、ウィルがどれだけ異質かも理解したいが、正直疲れてきた。もしエルフィが勝ったら、あのハグで終わらせて選抜の話もケリをつければ良かったのに。だからゼオがウィルを引き取る流れになるんだろうな…せめて別陣営になってもウィルとエルフィが会えることを願うよ。そうじゃなきゃマジで怒る。考察くん
TheIncrediblePawmot
Because if it were not so, why bring up that new conflict at all after we just had multiple episodes of conflicts and trials? To give Elfie an opportunity to aura farm is what I'm hoping.
確かに。あれだけ長く葛藤や試練を描いてきた後に、わざわざ新しい対立を持ち出す理由がないもんな。エルフィがオーラを振りまく機会になることを期待してるよ。普通くん
Ocixo
Elfie has been sitting atop this tower for most of the time, so I wouldn’t be against turning this into an opportunity for her to prove why she belongs next to Will. But I’m not so sure if that’s what the series is actually going for.
エルフィが塔の頂上に長く座っていたのは、彼女がウィルの隣に立つ理由を証明するチャンスとして捉えられると思うんだよね。ただ、シリーズが実際にその方向性を目指しているかは確信が持てないな。考察くん
Frontier246
Elfie has been freezing everything around her for so long, this isn't just a means of protecting Will but her finally getting to vent at something frustrating.
エルフィはずっと周りのものを凍らせてきたけど、これは単にウィルを守る手段ってだけじゃなくて、ついにイライラをぶつけられたって感じだね。普通くん
fiersome08
I just hope that Will and Elfie can at least see each other even if he's in another faction Why can't they? They can just plan it together and meet somewhere
ワイも思うンゴ…ウィルとエルフィ、違う派閥になってもせめて会えるようにならへんのかな?
なんで無理なんやろ…計画立ててどこかで会えばええやん。2ちゃん
SaintPimpin
Cause apparently the council hallway and meeting room are the only places different mage factions can meet eachother so far. I'm assuming the factions are sectored off from eachother. But since the will fan club met the white hair teacher then they really have no excuse to not meet eachother.
確かに今のところ評議会の廊下と会議室だけが異なる魔法派閥が出会える場所みたいだね。多分各派閥は区切られてるんだろうけど、ウィルファンクラブが白髪の先生と会ったんだから、他の派閥同士が会わない理由はないと思うよ。普通くん
AvatarTuner
I don't know much about the inner workings of the tower yet and if the different factions actually come into contact with each other. (except their leaders during meetings) I'm mainly basing that worry off of how the series went so far regarding Will... it keeps putting roadblocks in front of him.
塔の内部構造とか派閥同士の接触についてはまだよくわかってないンゴ(会議中のリーダー以外はな)。ワイのその心配は、今までのウィルの扱い方が元ネタや…あいつにひたすら障害を積み重ねてるやん。2ちゃん
Monkeydp81
I could very easily see it being a tie. Therefore creating some sort of shared system between several factions. They are both Magia Vander after all.
確かに引き分けの可能性もあるよね。複数の派閥が共有システムを作るって展開もあり得るし。何せ二人ともマギア・ヴァンダーだしな。普通くん
NSUNDU
Judging by the author other work, they won't get together at all, he seems to have a cuck fetish or something
作者の他の作品から察するに、この二人は絶対くっつかないし、作者にはNTR趣味みたいなのがあるっぽい…マジでしんどすぎるッ!感情くん
SaintPimpin
I'm assuming it's to keep them from having babies cause there's nothing stopping it from happening unless seperated 😂
確かに、子どもができないようにってことだよね。引き離さない限り防ぎようがないし😂普通くん
Frontier246
Yeah, honestly the moment Will joins the Ice Faction he's also joining Elfie in the bedroom. She probably would have kissed him right then and there if Zeo hadn't shown up.
マジかよ!Willが氷派閥に入った瞬間、Elfieとベッドルーム行き確定じゃん!Zeoが現れなかったらその場でキスしてたでしょ絶対!エモすぎるッ!感情くん
PersonalContest1423
Will is the type of character to be scared of kissing getting pussy would be out of the question
ウィルってキスすら怖がるタイプのキャラだよね。ましてや本番なんて論外だわ。普通くん
KYZ123
原文
I don't know, from their interactions so far, I'm getting the impression that absence has made the heart grow fonder. Will had absolutely no hesitation or embarassment when being hugged today, five years of separation got rid of all of that. (And Elfie's left any shyness in the past, she's all over him as soon as she gets the chance.) I could 100% see them going all the way on momentum, then Will being more embarassed the morning after.
せやな、今までのやり取り見てると「離れてたからこそ想いが募った」感がすごいわ。今日のハグ、ウィルが一切照れずに受け入れてたやん。5年のブランクでそういうの全部消えたんやろな(エルフィは恥じらいなんか過去に置いてきて、隙あらばベタベタしてるし)。勢いでそのままイっちゃって、翌朝ウィルがめっちゃ照れる未来しか見えへんわwww2ちゃん
KYZ123
I don't know, I can think of two things that could (temporarily) stop babymaking from happening: 1) Some sort of world-ending apocalypse, like the one from a few episodes ago 2) Sarissa forcing Elfie to get on with the work she keeps avoiding Not so sure on the first one, though.
うーん、子作りを(一時的に)止められるものは2つ思いつくかな:
- 数話前の世界終焉レベルの大災害
- サリッサがエルフィに避けてる仕事をやらせる
最初の方は正直わからんけどね。普通くん
SaintPimpin
Those are daytime activities, and danger hormonally increases the chances of babymaking instead of decreasing. 😂
昼間のイベントやん、しかも危険なほど逆に子作り確率上がるってガチで草www2ちゃん
Frontier246
But...but they got to hug and embrace each other! They got to say at least 2-3 words to each other! Isn't that reward enough!?
でも…でもさ、お互いに抱きしめ合えたんだよ!2〜3言は言葉交わせたじゃん!それだけで十分報われたって思わない?普通くん
Dray_Gunn
I can see Elfie conceding after being convinced that she wont know how to train him. That way it preserves her power and impressiveness but is also sad because she has to give up Will for his own sake.
エルフィ「もうワイには教えられへん」って折れるんか…それで彼女の強さは保たれるけど、ウィルのために手放さなあかんのが切ないンゴwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
She's probably not even thinking about training him, she's thinking about banging him lol.
多分、彼女は彼を訓練することなんて考えてなくて、ヤりたいだけだと思うわ笑普通くん
AlphaBreak
They could do a timeshare; Zeo gets Will during the day, Elfie gets Will at night.
やばくね!?昼はゼオがウィルで、夜はエルフィがウィルってタイムシェアできるじゃん笑 まじ最高すぎるんだけど!ギャル
Dray_Gunn
Lol i dont doubt it with all those Will plushies spread over her bed.
笑ったw ベッド中にウィルのぬいぐるみばっか並べてるし、確かにそうだわwww感情くん
KYZ123
原文
Elfie would probably accept that, as long as she gets quality time with Will on demand. Doesn't matter where her husband works, as long as she gets to be where he comes home to at night. Unfortunately, there are three parties that would object to that sort of arrangement: Zeo, because fucking Zeo, and probably several other thunder faction members. Sarissa, because she just knows that Elfie would spend too much time with Will and end up behind on work... again. She'd probably come around to the idea, though. The author, because this entire series revolves around keeping Will and Elfie apart by any means necessary.
エルフィなら「旦那とイチャイチャできるならどこでもええわ」って受け入れそうやな。仕事場どこでも夜に帰ってくる場所になればそれでええんやろ。ただ、この取り決めに反対する勢力が3つあるンゴ。ゼオ(まあゼオやし)、雷派閥の連中、サリッサ(エルフィがウィルとベタベタしすぎて仕事遅れるの分かってるからな…まあそのうち折れるやろうけど)、そして作者様(このシリーズの根幹が「ウィルとエルフィを絶対に引き離す」だからな)。草2ちゃん
OldInstruction5368
原文
tearing them apart now would feel like it's just for the sake of keeping them apart. Keep in mind, that Elfie never wanted to be Magia Vander. She never wanted to join the Tower (without Will). And once locked into the Tower, she was unable to leave and visit her friend stalking victim. Why? Seriously, why couldn't Elfie see Will? I can accept that scrubs aren't allowed into the Hallowed Ground of the Tower, but why couldn't Elfie go visit Will from time to time? Hell, why couldn't she help him either? Or just resign as Magia Vander if that's what it took to be with the man she loved? She's been a damsel this entire time, kept apart from Will, just for the sake of keeping them apart. Because that's the story: the Hero chasing after his "prize."
今さら引き離すのは、単に離しておくためだけにやってる感が強いよ。エルフィは元々マギア・ヴァンダーになりたくなかったし、ウィルなしで塔に入りたくなかったんだ。塔に閉じ込められたら、出て友達(ストーカー被害者)に会うこともできなかった。なぜ? エルフィがウィルに会えなかった理由は何なんだ?雑魚が塔の聖域に入れないのはわかる。でもエルフィが時々ウィルに会いに行くのはなぜダメなんだ?助けることだってできたはずだろ?あるいは愛する男と一緒にいるためならマギア・ヴァンダーを辞めることだってできたはず。彼女はずっと囚われの姫君で、ただ引き離されているだけ。それが物語だからだ。ヒーローが「報酬」を追いかけるってやつさ。普通くん
VenomBeats756
They have the rest of the series to continue to build their relationship, and Elfaria is bound to lose against someone at some point. She is powerful, but also the youngest of the Magia Vander by nearly a decade.
これから残りのシリーズで関係性を深めていくんやろな。エルファリアはいつか誰かに負ける運命やわ。確かに強いけど、マギア・ヴァンダーの中では10年近く最年少やしな。2ちゃん
Coranis
I'm hoping they both get to have him. Plus it would be better for Will to train with multiple factions so he learns how to use more than Ice.
二人とも彼を手に入れられればいいな。それにウィルが複数の派閥で訓練すれば、氷以外の力も使いこなせるようになるし、良い選択だと思う。普通くん
Frontier246
Unfortunately, I can see Elfie lose a head-on fight against Zeo. I feel like Will is going to see Elfie struggling and nearly losing and then say he'll join the lightning faction, if not Elfie outright losing (which would be really disheartening). Meanwhile Colette: "Won't we please at least TRY to recruit him!?"
エルフィがゼオに真正面から挑んで負ける未来しか見えんわ…ワイはウィルがエルフィのピンチ見て「雷の派閥に入る」って言い出すんちゃうかって思うわ。エルフィが負けたらマジで心折れるやろな。一方コレットは「せめて勧誘だけでもしようよ!」って感じやろな草2ちゃん
AlphaBreak
Earth faction: I'm sorry, you see what Zeo and elfaria are doing right? We're not touching that with 100 ft pillar of concrete.
地球派閥は「ごめん、ゼオとエルファリアが何やってるか見えてる?あれには100フィートのコンクリートの柱でも触れたくない」って感じだね。普通くん
Galinhooo
60% of the anime is just creating new barriers to delay Will and Elfie being together, he is 100% going to the lighting faction and they will probably make a rule that new faction members are not allowed to interact people from other factions
ワイの感想やと、アニメの6割はウィルとエルフィがくっつくのを邪魔する新たな障害作りやろwww
絶対にウィルは雷派閥行くやん、そしたら「新入りは他派閥と交流禁止」みたいなルール作られそうで草2ちゃん
uwnim
I'm expecting the fight to get interrupted by Aaron, who winds up deciding where Will goes.
アーロンが乱入して戦闘中断して、ウィルの行き先を決める展開になりそうでしんどいッ!感情くん
Frontier246
Aaron: "Why am I the only one here who is calm and rational unless your name is Logwell?"
「え、私だけ冷静で理性的じゃん!ってかLogwell以外はみんな冷静じゃね?」ギャル
simon249
We know via Liliana that lightning fraction is one closest to being sword fighters so yes
リリアナの話からすると、雷系の魔法が一番剣士に近いんだよね。だからそういうことだと思う。普通くん
Dylangillian
The author seemingly has a thing for keeping Protag and Female lead separate though. It's the same problem that Danmachi has. So I have little faith in Elfie winning and getting Will in her faction.
作者、主人公とヒロインを離したがる癖あるよな。ダンメシと同じ問題抱えてるわ。エルフィが勝ってウィルを自分の陣営に引き入れる展開にはあんまり期待できんわ。2ちゃん
feelingsdeayer
Well yeah, Zeo seems to be the 2nd strongest Magia Vander behind Aaron bc he's gone to the 2nd deepest floor of the dungeon. But there's still a lot of story to tell.
まじでゼオってアーロンの次に強いマギア・ヴァンダーじゃん!ダンジョンの2番目に深い階層まで行ってるしね。でもまだまだ話は続くっぽいし楽しみ〜!ギャル
evilpigclone
I'm fairly certain that Will has to go through a "collect all the gym badges" Arc here. Then once he has collected all the elements they can move on to the "Finding out what's outside the magic shield arc" then finishing with a "save the planet" arc. Standard anime is standard.
ワイ「どう考えてもウィルはジムバッジ収集編やろこれw」
- 全属性集めたら「魔法の盾の外探検編」
- 最後は「地球救う編」で締める
普通にアニメのテンプレやん草2ちゃん
Original-Body-5794
Zeo, much like Liahana seems like the type of guy to use melee combat, so as a mentor he would be better than Elfie, it can also work as further motivation, wills whole reason to be strong was to reach Elfie, once he has her what reason does he have to keep pushing himself this hard? But goddamit how many times are they going to introduce another obstacle just when Will is about to reach Elfie?
ゼオはリアーナと同じく近接戦闘タイプっぽいから、師匠としてはエルフィより適任だと思う。それにウィルのモチベーションにもなるしね。ウィルが強くなろうとした理由はエルフィに追いつくためだったけど、いざ彼女を手に入れたら、そこまで頑張る理由がなくなるかもしれないし。でもさ、ウィルがエルフィにたどり着きそうになるたびに、また新たな障害を出してくるの、何回目だよ?普通くん
Frontier246
But goddamit how many times are they going to introduce another obstacle just when Will is about to reach Elfie? Will: "I finally got my transfer to the Ice Faction confirmed!' "I'm sorry Will, but Lady Elfaria was just arrested for murder. You're going to need to join the security corps. to clear her name."
草ァ!またかよwww
ウィルがエルフィーに辿り着く度に新たな障害が発生しすぎやろ
「やっと氷の派閥への転属が決まった!」→「すまんウィル、エルファリア様が殺人で逮捕された。潔白を証明するために警備隊に入れ」ってマジかよw
ワイ涙出てきたンゴ2ちゃん
HornedTurtle1212
Really though, both being in the tower but in different factions shouldn't prevent them from seeing each other regularly. Sure he might have to go on missions occasionally. If he was in the ice faction Elfie would literally never send him away to do anything, and that would seem boring.
確かに、二人とも塔の中にいるなら、違う派閥でも定期的に会えるはずだよね。任務でたまに出かけなきゃいけないかもしれないけど。もしアイス派閥に入ってたら、エルフィが絶対に何もさせてくれなくて、退屈そうだなって思う。普通くん
SpiderTechnitian
inb4 lightning man forbids any contact or something lol
雷の男が禁じられた接触でもしてくるんちゃうか?草2ちゃん
Eckish
"She's now in an irreversible coma. But maybe the magic cure-all potion can revive her." Off we go...
「彼女はもう回復不能な昏睡状態だ。でも万能の魔法薬で目覚めるかもね」さあ来たよ…。普通くん
Hot-Log6283
Time to do some..... Solo leveling.
ソロ・レベリングやる時間だァ~~~~ッ!!待ってました!!!感情くん
BosuW
He'll have to become her lawyer
彼女の弁護士にならないといけなくなるんだな普通くん
ifticar2
原文
I actually like this obstacle lol, Zeo as a character is dope as hell, and before he tried to take Will, I was thinking it would be fun if Will joined the lightning faction lol. Plus, being part of lightning would probably be better for Wills development. He already knows ice magic very well. Lightning faction would add another element to his kit. And I bet Zeo can help bring wills Physicals to the next level.
この障害はむしろ面白いな。ゼオというキャラはめちゃくちゃクールで、ウィルを連れて行こうとする前から、もしウィルが雷派閥に入ったら面白いのになと思ってたんだよ。しかも、雷派閥に所属する方がウィルの成長には良いかもしれない。彼はすでに氷魔法を極めている。雷派閥が加われば、彼の武器にもう一つの属性が追加される。そして、ゼオがウィルの身体能力を次のレベルに引き上げてくれるはずだ。考察くん
Zero5-4i
原文
with the amount of edging we're getting on their (permanent) reunion, the author better add a kiss scene at the very least. I don't have many expectations on the amount of romance focused scenes, but if we don't at least one good one eventually (even in the ending) its gonna be very unsatisfying, Even if the show is not romance, its still a very important part of it. It would be a very welcome surprise if we get more but I'm not counting on it, any intimate scene I see, I consider as a lucky bonus.
二人の(永久的な)再会をこんなに焦らしてるんだから、せめてキスシーンくらいは入れてほしいな。恋愛シーンは多く期待してないけど、最後までにいい場面が一つもないと物足りないと思う。この作品は恋愛メインじゃないけど、それでも大事な要素だしね。もっとあれば嬉しいサプライズだけど、あてにはしてない。親密なシーンは全部、ラッキーボーナスだと思ってるよ。普通くん
CuriousBroccolli
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I don't understand people complaining about obstacles, it's the whole point of show and Will's character. That is what I like about this show the most. Being frustrated about dumb obstacles I do understand, but Zeo being a huge egoist and wanting a payback for sticking for Will out of everyone else not named Elfie seems like an interesting development to me. Author shouldn't have left decision to Will though. He should have just made some bidding war rule so that he can still make obstacles for them. 😆 Currently, their reunion would be lackluster and disappointing. Their true reunion needs to be much more grandiose than at the bottom of the tower. Them just being able to see each other face to face seems like satisfying step, and allows Elfie to start making bolder moves towards getting together with Will. They still have their shared dream for which both of them need to be strong to achieve, so there is still that.
障害について文句を言う人の気が知れないな。むしろそれが本作とウィルのキャラクターの本質だ。私がこの作品を最も気に入っている点でもある。馬鹿げた障害に苛立つ気持ちは理解できるが、ゼオが極度のエゴイストで、エルフィ以外の誰よりもウィルのために動いた見返りを求める展開は興味深い考察ができる。ただ作者はウィルに決断を委ねるべきではなかった。入札戦のルールを設けて、彼らに障害を残すべきだったな(笑)。現状の再会は物足りなくて拍子抜けだ。真の再会は塔の底ではなく、もっと壮大であるべきだ。お互いの顔を直接見られるようになったのは満足できる一歩で、エルフィがウィルとの関係を積極的に進める動きを始める契機になる。二人にはまだ共通の夢があり、それを叶えるために互いに強くなる必要があるから、そこに伏線が残されている。考察くん
21shadesofsavage
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yeah chasing elfie to stand by her side is the vehicle for will's progress. he still doesn't understand his power and literally just used his base ability consciously for the first time i much rather have will join the lighting faction and continue working his way towards elfie. if he joins the ice faction now some other obstacle is gonna be made up to separate them. we're still too early in will's development
そうだね、エルフィを追いかけて彼女のそばに立つことがウィルの成長の原動力になってる。本人はまだ自分の力の本質を理解してなくて、今回初めて意識的に基本能力を使ったんだよな。個人的にはウィルには雷属性派閥に入って、地道にエルフィに近づいていく方がいいと思う。今氷属性派閥に入ったら、また別の障害が作られて引き離されるだけだし。まだウィルの成長過程としては序盤すぎるしね。普通くん
Kyanche
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yeah chasing elfie to stand by her side is the vehicle for will's progress. he still doesn't understand his power and literally just used his base ability consciously for the first time To be fair, if he joins the ice faction he'll be standing behind/under her. If he joins the lightning faction he could become the magia vander for it at some point and literally stand beside her. It's still lame. He should be able to join her faction! Then the story could feel more like apothecary diaries or something.
せやな、エルフィを追いかけて横に立つってのがウィルの成長の原動力やねん。でも本人まだ自分の力理解しとらんくて、初めて意識して基本能力使っただけやしな。
氷派閥に入ったらエルフィの下に立つ感じやろ。雷派閥ならマギア・ヴァンダーになれる可能性あって横に並べるけど、それでも微妙やん。
同じ派閥に入れろや!そしたら薬屋のひとりごとみたいな展開になるのに。2ちゃん
Frontier246
I just feel like they keep arbitrarily throwing obstacles Will's way to keep the main couple apart constantly it gets old after a while, especially with how much we've had to watch them both monologue and be sad over being separated for two seasons. But also Omori clearly doesn't want to write them together and what the natural progression of that would be.
確かにずっとウィルに障害を投げ続けてる感じがするよね。二人を引き離す展開はもう飽きてきたわ。特に2シーズンもずっとモノローグで悲しんでるの見せられるとさ。でも大森は元々二人をくっつける気ないし、自然な関係の進展を書くつもりもないんだろうな。普通くん
PlutusPleion
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I don't understand people complaining about obstacles I think it's the way it's presented and handled. It just feels like ass-pulls when Will finally overcomes the obstacle and right before he's able to celebrate any victory there's some smug asshole in the corner saying: "uhm well ackshually". And it feels like it's that over and over, consecutively, non-stop, no pause. If it were handled better I don't think there would be this much annoyance/disappointment. It's a lot of goalpost moving, omitting information just for the sake of it, and straight up 180s. It feels like a load of BS and feels really forced. Plenty of shows place obstacles in front of protagonists but they do it in reasonable ways that I think this one really doesn't do well. I will repeat again it's not about the obstacles themselves, plenty of shows use it but they present it in a clear, reasonable, and thoughtful ways. I do enjoy the show overall but damn even something like rezero didn't leave me this annoyed. I could go on about why it feels different, but I'll leave it at that.
障害そのものに文句言ってるわけじゃないんや。問題はその見せ方やろ。ウィルがやっと障害乗り越えたと思ったら、すぐに「いや実はな…」って感じでドヤ顔のクソ野郎が出てくるんや。それが連続でノンストップ、休憩なし。もっと上手く処理してたらこんなイライラせんかったと思うわ。
・ゴールポスト動かしまくり
・情報隠し
・いきなり180度方向転換
ガチで無理やりすぎやろ。障害を置く作品は他にもあるけど、こっちはマジで下手くそ。全体としては楽しんでるけど、リゼロでさえここまでイラつかんかったわ。2ちゃん