+1207
WhoiusBarrel
It irks me how the other mages are still being racist to the Dwarves and still calling Will derogatory names even in this moment of crisis. Guess thats one thing this setting is consistent about.
Brutal fucking episode, Rosty's death and how gory some of the kills are, really kicking Will in the balls while his down.
まあ、危機的状況でもドワーフへの差別やウィルへの蔑称が変わらないのは気になるな。でも、この世界観の一貫性ってことか。
今回のエピソードは容赦なかったな。ロスティの死やグロい描写で、落ち込んでるウィルをさらに追い詰める感じだ。ドライおじ+392
Obaruler
Yeah, if not for Will the dwarves should have responded with "todays a holiday, ask tommorrow, we're gonna get drunk now and watch the spectacle 😊".
確かに。ウィルがいなかったらドワーフたちは「今日は休日だ、明日聞いてくれ。今から酒飲んで見物するから😊」って言い返してたかもな。普通くん+208
AceSoldia
This exactly lol they just wanted to help Will mostly lol f these mages
それな笑 ウィルのためってのがガチすぎる笑 魔法使いなんてクソくらえじゃん！ギャル+81
Accurate-Owl-5621
The thing is Magia Vendes hold off Celestial Intruder from decend and kill everyone including the dwarves, unless they can find alternative way to survive they won't let Vendes face grave danger even without Will being there.
確かに、マギア・ヴェンデスが天界の侵入者を食い止めてるからこそドワーフたちも生きてられるんだよね。ウィルがいなくても、代わりの生存手段が見つからない限りヴェンデスを危険に晒すわけにはいかないってことだな。普通くん+45
Independent_Row_1352
"No dungeon monster ever called me stonescratcher"
確かに！ウィルがいなかったらドワーフたち、絶対「今日は休みだ、明日聞いてこい、俺たち今から飲むんだ」って言ってたよね笑
「ダンジョンのモンスターですら俺のことストーンスクラッチャーって呼んだことねーぞ」ってマジで草ギャル+30
Frontier246
It's nice that they even acknowledged Will's friends too as people worth fighting for!
確かに、ウィルの仲間たちを「守る価値ある者」と認めたのは見事でござるな。武士+16
UnWiseSageVibe
The way Rosty disintegrated though.... 👀👀
あのロスティが塵となって消え去る姿…まさに因果応報、我が目に焼き付けておくべき運命の一瞬よな…中二病+137
OldInstruction5368
Rosti is an Elfie clone, confirmed.
ああ、ロスティはエルフィーのクローンだったか。まあそういうもんだよな。ドライおじ+167
UberDueler10
If so, didn’t Rosti and Will tell Colette that they’ve shared a bath together?
Elfie, you madlass.
もしそれが真実ならば、ロスティとウィルはコレットに「共に湯を浴びた」と告げたことになるではないか。エルフィよ、汝は狂気の乙女だ。中二病+104
Ill_Act_1855
(F)Rosti (S)Noman lol
同意、ロスティはノーマンだよな笑普通くん+67
Cam_Ren179
Ive had my suspicions ever since he made that dumbstruck face at the end of the magic games. It felt like that reaction was out of character for him, unless he was reacting to something else besides the results of the crown battle. Though it wasn’t until that time he stated to Colette, “know one loves Will more than me.” That I truly began to believe that he was an Elfie clone.
あの魔法競技会の終盤でロスティが呆けた顔してた時から「こいつエルフィのクローンやろ」って疑っとったンゴwww あの反応ワイの中でキャラ崩壊やったし、王冠バトルの結果以外に何か反応してたんちゃうかって思ってたんや。でもコレットに「ウィルを誰よりも愛してるのはワイや」って言った時はガチで確信したわ。せやな、エルフィのクローンで確定やろ。2ちゃん+61
Thelassa
At this point I'm just going to assume everyone is an Elfie clone.
それな！もう全員エルフィのクローンってことでよくない？笑ギャル+34
Z000Burst
if girl was gonna stalk him with ice clone then maybe she should have turn down the promotion up that toward so she could stay through the entire school years with him
もし彼女が氷の分身で彼をストーキングするつもりなら、昇進を断って彼と一緒に在学期間中ずっと学校に残ればよかったのにね。普通くん+22
Frontier246
Into blue, almost ice-like, shards...
草、ロスティが青くて氷みたいな破片になって消えてったやん……ワイ震えたわwww2ちゃん+10
polycontrale
Kinda disappointed that we didn't get to see the dwarves in action for a bit before they were all taken out. It would have been nice to see them earn a little bit more respect.
それな！ドワーフたちが活躍するところもちょっと見たかったのに、一瞬でやられちゃって残念すぎる。もう少しだけでもカッコいいとこ見せてくれたら、周りからの評価も変わったのにって思っちゃうよ…。感情くん+76
trash1000
Well, there are only 5 students who have experienced Will against the Grand Duke. For everyone else he may have beaten the Ice Mage but guess that is not enough to sway them.
Heck, even the Snape incarnate teacher still treats him as if he was an abomination.
せやな、大公戦でウィルと戦ったのはたった5人だけやしな。他の連中からしたら氷魔導士に勝った程度じゃ、まだ評価変わらんわ。
つーか、スネイプ転生みたいな教師ですらウィルをまるで異端児扱いやしな。草2ちゃん+44
Frontier246
>Heck, even the Snape incarnate teacher still treats him as if he was an abomination.
Well, more like society sees him as an abomination which means that he would have to carry that into the tower where it would be worse (at least as Edward sees it).
確かに、スネイプみたいな教師も彼を異端扱いしてるしね。でもそれ以上に社会全体がそう見てるから、塔の中じゃもっと酷くなるってわけか（少なくともエドワードの考えでは）。普通くん+33
xzerozeroninex
It’s because it’s like a 7’2 220 lbs dude refuses to play basketball and insist he wants to play football,does all the training and stuff and he’s struggling because he’s too tall and skinny to play football.
せやな、つまり身長220cm体重100kgのデカブツがバスケやらずに「ワイはアメフトやるンゴ！」って言い張って練習しまくった結果、デカすぎて細すぎて苦戦してるって構図やろ。草2ちゃん+18
trash1000
If Wistoria only had some basketball equivalent for Will to play.
確かに！ウィルにバスケ的な選択肢があったらな〜って思うよね笑 でもそこがまた彼のキャラじゃん！ギャル+8
tripleaamin
原文
>It irks me how the other mages are still being racist to the Dwarves and still calling Will derogatory names even in this moment of crisis. Guess thats one thing this setting is consistent about.
It indicates that racism doesn't change overnight. Which, tbh, is sadly realistic. It's just annoying that the dwarves had a restriction in place. Just the question: why is it even there?
But yeah, seeing Rosti sliced had to be tough on Will.
確かに、危機的状況でも差別意識が変わらない描写は、この世界観の一貫性を示している。現実的で悲しいが、一夜にして変わるものじゃないという考察ができる。ただ、ドワーフに制限がかけられていた理由が気になるな。あれは単なる偏見か、それとも何か過去の因縁の伏線かもしれない。
ロスティが斬られた場面はウィルにとって相当な衝撃だったはずだ。あれで彼の決意がさらに固まる展開になると思われる。考察くん+36
Western-Internal-751
Wasn’t the lore of this anime that they fought a war against each other and the mages won? Would make sense to forbid the dwarves of fighting or using weapons as a peace deal
確かに、このアニメの設定って魔術師同士で戦争して魔術師側が勝ったってやつだよね？だったら平和条約としてドワーフに戦闘や武器使用を禁止するのは筋が通ってると思う。普通くん+28
RedRocket4000
There also the mystery when that one mage supposedly beat them. Perhaps it was a negation not a fight.
確かに！あの魔術師が倒したって話も謎だし、戦闘じゃなくて無効化だったのかもね。てか設定やばくね？笑ギャル+9
Shaedric
If I remember correctly from the first season, they mentioned that the Dwarves rebelled against the mages for being overworked and favoritism to elves. The ban of combat was to prevent it from reoccurring.
確かに、ドワーフがエルフ優遇に反発した反乱があったって話だったね。戦闘禁止はその再発防止ってわけか。普通くん+15
Frontier246
原文
>It irks me how the other mages are still being racist to the Dwarves and still calling Will derogatory names even in this moment of crisis. Guess thats one thing this setting is consistent about.
The burden of minorities'. Have to step up and clean up situations for the people who treat them like 2nd class citizens'.
>Brutal fucking episode, Rosty's death and how gory some of the kills are, really kicking Will in the balls while his down.
I wonder if Will is going to second guess why Rosty started dissolving into blue sparkles because...that's probably not normal. Granted the grief is probably going to distract him.
>危機的状況でもドワーフ差別やウィルへの罵倒が続くのがムカつくわ。まあこの世界観じゃ一貫してるってことか。
マイノリティの宿命やな。自分らを二級市民扱いする連中のために率先して片付けなあかんのや。
>今回のエピソードガチでエグかったわ。ロスティの死もそうやし、グロい殺され方も多くて、ウィルがどん底の時にさらに蹴り入れてくる感じやん。
ウィル、ロスティが青い光になって消えたの見て疑問に思わんのかな…だって普通じゃないやろ。まあ悲しみでそれどころじゃないやろうけど。2ちゃん+28
NylanBlake
原文
It's not so weird if you think about how ingrained those names are to them.
Modern (western) Society kinda tries to put a ban on racial slurs and such but they are still used by many and unlike here they don't have a semi large part of the population trying to taboo those slurs.
I remember from back when my grandfather still lived how he used slurs for certain people groups (like the N-word) when talking about them without any ill intend, it was just what he was used to call them from childhood onwards. To him it was just what their group was called by the people here without deep thought about the meaning of those words. Kinda like how if you tell a child that person is an N in a neutral manner , the kid just takes it as a name for people like that person without learning that it's a slur and why it's bad to call em that way.
Humans are animals of habit, and once they have deeply ingrained one, it takes a lot of effort and time to get rid of those bad habits.
確かに、彼らにとってはそれが当たり前の呼び方になってるからな。現代社会でも差別用語は完全には消えてないし、こっちみたいにタブー視する動きが半ば強制されてるわけじゃないしね。
祖父が悪意なく昔の呼び方を使ってたのを思い出すよ。子供の頃からそう呼ぶのが普通で、意味を深く考えずに使ってたんだ。習慣って怖いよな。一度染みついた悪癖を直すには相当な時間と努力がいる。普通くん+18
wmansir
The mages could have at least provided them protection against magic attacks. Instead they let the evil mage blast the dwarfs just as they were about to attack.
せやな、魔術師どもはせめて魔法攻撃から守ってやれよ。なのに悪い魔術師がドワーフたちを攻撃しようとした時に、平気で爆破させてるやん。ガチでクソやな。2ちゃん+14
HolyDragSwd2500
ROSTI!!!!!! Noooooooo😭😭
ロスティーッ！？やめてくれよぉぉ😭😭 無理すぎるッ！感情くん+187
Frontier246
RIP Will's "gay" roommate.
(Although "I will aways be with you” as you're getting killed in front of him is...kind of the worst thing to say even if Will isn't aware that the intent might be carried by someone else connected to Rosty...)
ああ……ロスティの「俺はいつもお前のそばにいる」という最期の言葉、考察するにこれは単なる友情以上の伏線だと思われる。ウィルが知らぬ間に、ロスティの意志が別の誰かに継承される可能性を示唆している。しかし、目の前で殺される相手にそれを言うのは、残酷な皮肉というか、むしろ呪いにも近い。制作陣はここで「絆」と「喪失」の二重構造を描きたかったんだろうな。考察くん+119
BosuW
Elfie created the first straight gay. Truly a prodigy.
エルフィが初めてのストレートゲイを生み出した……まじ天才すぎるッ！感情くん+99
Meiolore
It seems that his corpse just shattered at the end?
えっ、まじで！？最後に死体が粉々になってたんだけど！やばくね！？😱ギャル+37
Frontier246
I think it proves that he was basically just a modified Elfaria ice clone. He was even breaking apart, as if he was ice.
確かにw つまりあいつ、エルファリアの氷のクローンだったってことかよwww 最後バラバラになってたし、まんま氷みたいな崩れ方だったな笑wwwおじ+144
soulfulmirror
We saw blood when his arm was cut off tho.
確かに！でも腕が切れた時に血が出てたんだよな…あれはどう説明するんだ？ しんどい、謎が深まるばかりだッ！感情くん+34
nofaxxspitintruflego
wait whaaaaaaaaaaatttttt
まじで！？それやばくない！？ 氷のクローンってマジかよ！ しかも砕け散ってたって、完全にそれじゃん！笑ギャル+5
PointlesslyNarrow
He's absolutely a magically construct of some kind
But I don't think it was Elfaria
某も同意見でござる。魔法で作られた人形であることは間違いあるまい。
されど、エルファリア由来とは思えぬ。別の何かであろう。武士+6
Elektrophorus
His name is Frosty the Snowman after all.
それな！名前通り雪だるまだったってことじゃん笑ギャル+7
kilua87
Rodge trying to aura farm just to then get cut in half and then Rosti at the end made me remember how brutal this show was.
On another note, enemies that are seemingly immune to magic were definitely required at some point in the story to help Will ascend the tower and sway people's opinions.
ロッジが見栄張ってオーラ稼ぎしようとしたら真っ二つにされたシーン、この作品の容赦なさを改めて思い出させてくれたな。そして最後のロスティの登場も含めて、やっぱりこの作品は残酷描写が印象的だ。
あと、魔法が効かない敵の存在は、ウィルが塔を登る過程で確かに必要不可欠な要素だったんだろう。人々の考えを変えさせるためにも、ある時点でストーリーに組み込まれるのは必然だったという考察ができる。考察くん+177
Frontier246
原文
I love how this dude makes this one appearance to try to make the main cast think the adults have this in the bag and look cool as possible and then gets unceremoniously offed.
(I also get the vibe he was one of Clairies' boyfriend candidates so...so much for that)
How convenient that when Will was just denied the tower that enemies he (and the dwarves) are most qualified to fight start popping up).
ロッジ、かっこつけに来たのに真っ二つにされてて草。ロスティの登場でこの作品の容赦なさを思い知ったわ。
このキャラ、大人たちが余裕だって思わせようと一回だけ出てきてカッコつけたのに、あっさり退場するの好き。
（なんかクレアの彼氏候補の一人だった気がするけど…それもおしまいだな）
ウィルが塔を拒否されたタイミングで、彼（とドワーフ）が一番得意とする敵が湧いてくるの、出来すぎだろ。普通くん+69
uwanmirrondarrah
原文
He played the role of a "Worf." In Star Trek TNG, especially early in the series, Worf was played off as this badass but he always got his ass beat in the episodes. Because he was used as a narrative tool to communicate danger to the audience. Like if Worf got beat up then they are really in trouble. Obviously he developed into more than just that but you can look up compilations of Worf getting slapped around.
Basically Rodge was that.
あのキャラは典型的な「ウォーフ役」を担ってたんだよな。『スタートレック:TNG』、特に初期シーズンでウォーフは強そうに見えて毎回やられ役だった。これは視聴者に「危険だぞ」と伝えるための演出上の道具なんだ。ウォーフが倒されたら本当にピンチってことの指標。もちろん後にはもっと深みのあるキャラになったけど、ウォーフがボコられる名シーン集とかもあるしな。
要するに、ロッジはその役割だったんだと思う。考察くん+10
SaltAndABattery
"Nah, I'd win."
"I said I'd win!"
"WHY AM I NOT WINNI/- !?"
「Nah, I'd win.」とか言っちゃうロッジ、オーラ出そうとして真っ二つにされるのやばすぎじゃん！？笑 最後のロスティでこの作品のエグさ思い出したわ～
「勝つって言っただろ！」
「なんで勝てないんだよ！？」ってまじ草ギャル+25
HornedTurtle1212
A combined attack with your whole squad just failed, how are you alone going to then turn around and take it down by yourself? Think man! Also never turn your back on an enemy. Definitely a lack of combat awareness there.
確かに、仲間全員の連携攻撃が失敗した直後に、一人で何とかしようとするのは無謀すぎるだろ。もっと考えろって話だよ。それに敵に背中を向けるなって基本中の基本。戦闘意識が足りてないな。普通くん+7
ObvsThrowaway5120
Damn… the good guys got thoroughly trounced this week. That was a massacre. Everything went according to the baddie’s plans. Loads of dwarves are dead. Top mages are dead. The city’s on fire. And now no more Rosty. Will needs to surpass his limits. Right there. Right now.
草……今週は完全に悪役の思うツボやったな。まさに虐殺やんけ。大量のドワーフ死んだわ、トップ魔術師も死んだ、街は燃えてるし。しかもロスティももういないンゴ…。ウィル、まさに今ここで限界超えろや。2ちゃん+113
CuriousBroccolli
> Everything went according to the baddie’s plans.
Not everything, as Bakugo mentioned, but still solid enough plan to wreck havoc.
確かに、爆豪の言う通り全部じゃないけど、それでもかなり緻密な計画だったよね。大混乱を引き起こすには十分だったし。普通くん+83
Meiolore
Bakugo and Kurogiri
「バクゴーとクロギリか〜。確かにあの計画、完璧じゃなかったけど結構ガッチリしてたよね！ てか、バクゴーの指摘はマジで的を射てたし！」ギャル+60
Vahallen
I did not expect that guy near the start of the episode literally getting sliced in half
TBF he fucking deserved it based off how after every attack he assumed he won and constantly kept dropping his guard
同意やな。冒頭であの男が真っ二つにされるとは思わんかったわwww
つーかあいつ、毎回攻撃後に勝った気になってガード下げまくってたし、自業自得すぎるンゴ2ちゃん+65
OldInstruction5368
原文
> TBF he fucking deserved it based off how after every attack he assumed he won and constantly kept dropping his guard
This is why I knew he was a goner.
Most mages have zero tactical sense and are just arrogant glass cannons.
The pew pew didn't work. The pew pew always works...
wot
Which is also why I wasn't surprised it took so long for someone to realize "indirect attacks" are the secret to bypassing the anti-magic equipment.
And not at all surprised it was Will's A-team of misfits that adapted first. That group is skilled enough to be great mages, but just a bit off that they have to really work for it. Plus, they've seem Will in action, and survived the deep tower, so they know about the value of unconventional tactics.
Everyone else is still in a very immature mindset of "dakka, and then more dakka, and then... I dunno, someone should be dead by that point. Either you or the enemy."
確かにあいつは毎回攻撃後に自分が勝ったと思い込んで油断しまくってたから、死んで当然だわ。それでこいつはもう終わったなって思ったよ。
ほとんどの魔法使いは戦術的センスがゼロで、ただの傲慢な紙装甲だよな。
「パシュパシュ」が効かなかったのに、いつもは効くんだよ…って感じで。
だから「間接攻撃」が対魔法装備を突破する鍵って気づくのに時間かかったのも当然だし、最初に適応したのがウィルの問題児チームだったのも納得。あの連中は優秀な魔法使いになれる実力はあるけど、ちょっと変わってて努力が必要なんだよ。それにウィルの実戦を見てるし、深層タワーも生き残ったから、型破りな戦術の価値も知ってる。
他の連中はまだ「火力、もっと火力、そんで…知らん、その頃には誰か死んでるだろ。敵か味方か」って幼稚な考え方だな。普通くん+46
BosuW
>Which is also why I wasn't surprised it took so long for someone to realize "indirect attacks" are the secret to bypassing the anti-magic equipment.
Thanks to _Frieren_ I thought of this immediately 😌. Man, mages there figured this out in an age of peace. Mages in Wistoria setting are bums hard carried by esoteric talent smh
確かに。あの傲慢さが自滅を招いた典型例だな。毎回攻撃後に「勝った」と思い込んでガードを下げる行動パターンは、戦術的な成長の欠如を如実に示している。
＞間接攻撃が対魔法装備の突破方法だと気づくのに時間がかかったのも納得だ
これについては、『葬送のフリーレン』を観ていたからすぐに思いついたよ。あの世界の魔法使いは平和な時代に既にこの原理を確立していた。対照的に、ウィストリアの魔法使いたちは秘術的な才能に頼り切っていて、基礎的な戦術思考が著しく不足している。この設定の差が、両作品の世界観の深さの違いを如実に表しているな。考察くん+9
Liesianthes
Too bad, he's just a side character so he doesn't have any plot armor like Wil getting kicked with those sharp feet and still alive.
それな！あいつは自業自得すぎるッ！でもメインキャラじゃないから即死確定なのが悲しい…ウィルはあんな鋭い蹴り食らっても生きてるのに、まじで格差がエモすぎる…泣いた感情くん+16
Vahallen
Will definetly has a more trained body and all, but yeah, it definetly looked wrong that Will didn’t at bare minimum get stabbed and bloody
I know exactly what shot you are referring and there it definetly looked like it should have pierced his guts at bare minimum
確かにウィルは鍛えられた身体してるけど、あのシーンは最低でも刺されて血が出てるべきだったよね。言ってるカットは分かるよ、あれは明らかに内臓まで刺さってるように見えたもん。普通くん+22
Galinhooo
It is some high level of stupidity to go power ranger posing after you shot an enemy that took 0 dmg from your first spell. He should have been cut posing, that would have been nice.
それな！最初の魔法が全く効いてない相手に撃った後でパワーレンジャーみたいなポーズ決めるのはバカすぎるッ！ポーズ中に切られるべきだったな、それなら最高だったのに笑感情くん+10
Togglea
Ngl when he didn't even confirm a kill after the second? third? time I was glad he got mercd.
まじそれな！？2回目？3回目？くらいで倒したか確認すらしなかった時点で、もう殺られて当然じゃね？笑ギャル+12
polycontrale
I was hoping that thing was gonna kill him. Dude didn't even confirm the kill and he still turned his back to it.
確かにあいつは自業自得だったな。倒したの確認もせずに背中向けるとか、死んで当然だわ。普通くん+9
Frontier246
He was trying way too hard to aura farm in his only appearance lol.
確かに！あいつ、初登場であんなにキメキメでオーラ出そうとしてたのやばくなかった？笑ギャル+17
Frontier246
Rodge: "I'm about to show these kids why the world needs adults!"
(All his attacks fail)
Rodge: "Oh shi----"
確かにあのオッサン、序盤で真っ二つにされたのは草生えるわwww
「大人の力を見せてやる！」→全攻撃スカる→「やべっ」
ワロタンゴwww 自業自得すぎるやろ2ちゃん+10
actionfirst1
Not giving up is his magic
確かに、諦めないのが彼の魔法だよね。普通くん+36
ObvsThrowaway5120
It really is like his superpower
せやな、諦めないのが彼の魔法やな。それがもう超能力みたいなもんやんwww2ちゃん+11
Se7en_Sinner
I've watched enough shounen to know Rosty's death could be a big enough trigger to unlock Will's full potential.
それな！ shounen見てきた身としてはさ、ロスティの死がウィルの本気スイッチ入れるきっかけになるやつじゃん？やばくね！？ギャル+30
Frontier246
Also the next episode has Will with inexplicable white hair...
それなw 確かにロスティの死が覚醒フラグってのはありそうだよな。次回予告でウィルの白髪も謎すぎるし草wwwおじ+7
Meiolore
What exactly are the other high mages doing?
マジで他の上級魔術師たち何やってんの！？やばくね！？笑ギャル+10
Frontier246
Realizing they're not the main characters...
せやな、自分らが主人公じゃないって気づいたんやろなwww2ちゃん+21
ObvsThrowaway5120
Hiding in their giant tower or dying, at least from what we saw.
まじでしょ！？他のハイメイジたちって、でっかい塔にこもってるか死んでるかのどっちじゃね？少なくとも見た限りだとさ～ギャル+9
RedRocket4000
Well the top ones in the tower spent most of their power on the sealing ceremony. Primary objective of ground attack was to try to force them to come out not anywhere close to full strength so they could kill them. But if they don't come out they do kill off some of next generation and political effects I assume of the civilian deaths.
確かに、塔の上層部は封印の儀式でほとんど力を消耗してるからね。地上攻撃の主目的は、満足に戦えない状態で奴らを誘い出して倒すことだと思う。でも出てこなければ、次世代の一部を殺したり市民の死で政治的影響も狙ってるんだろうな。普通くん+9
Master-Hair-7456
原文
Love the coordination and quick thinking btw the gang to take out those monster with the mage killer weapon from sion to lihanna.
Will is going through it seeing rosty died, and sidenote rosty looked pretty cool when he was standing with one arm before he went to save will. Last the detail of rosty turning into dust or crystal in the end.
The ED is very nice now that I can hear it better and little will and elfie are cute, what surprised me was little Collette i didnt expect it this season based of the Manga but the author might have included it or it could just be for the ep.
Edit: I see little sion, julius and lihanna are in the ED too
シオンからリハンナへの魔術殺しの武器で連携してモンスター倒すとこ、チームワークと機転効きすぎて草
ウィルがロスティの死で落ち込むのキツいわ…。あとロスティ、片腕で立ってたシーンめっちゃカッコよかったンゴ。最後にロスティが塵や結晶になって消える演出も良かった。
EDはちゃんと聴けるようになってめっちゃ良いな。幼いウィルとエルフィ可愛すぎやろ。コレットが出てきたのにはビックリしたわ、原作マンガだと今シーズンじゃなかったはずやけど、作者が入れたか単にこの話だけかもな。
追記：EDに幼いシオン、ユリウス、リハンナもおるやん2ちゃん+109
Marty1989
Rosti shattering like that, and saying "Will, I'll always be by your side" is giving me Elfie vibes...
え、ロスティが粉々になって「ウィル、ずっとそばにいるよ」って言ったの、エルフィ感やばくね！？まじそれ！ギャル+80
Frontier246
I'm sure Rosty meant that to be reassuring but I don't think Will is going to be in a headspace to understand/accept that.
確かに！ロスティが「ウィル、ずっとそばにいるよ」って言いながら砕けるの、エルフィ感ありすぎるッ！
でもロスティは慰めたつもりなんだろうけど、ウィルが今その言葉を受け入れられる状態じゃないのがしんどすぎる…感情くん+22
NanDemoKnaives
Yeah I have the same thought.
それな！まじでそれ思ったわ～。ロスティが砕け散るシーン、エルフィ思い出すよね笑 しかも「ずっと隣にいる」ってセリフやばくない！？ギャル+6
sesaman
This show hasn't been exactly subtle.
確かに！このアニメ、全然繊細じゃないよねッ！感情くん+14
CuriousBroccolli
>Love the coordination and quick thinking btw the gang to take out those monster with the mage killer weapon from sion to lihanna.
Same. Love it when these powerful and talented characters *are* actually powerful and talented, instead of leaving everything to our protagonist.
They saw through their plan, mostly, and instantly adjusted their strategy accordingly.
せやな。強くて有能なキャラが実際にその実力を発揮してくれるの、ガチで好きやわ。主人公に全部任せない展開がいいんよな。
- 連携のとれた戦術は草
- 大体相手の作戦見抜いてたし
- すぐに戦略修正してたのワイは高評価や2ちゃん+43
OldInstruction5368
原文
That group is in the awkward position of being the 'best of the worst."
It was established last season that the "best 6th years" are actually considered below average. Truly talented mages graduate early without ever making it to their final year.
But what this really means, is that they keep that 'scrappy underdog' mentality of always fighting for every little advantage they can get. Gifted kids coast through all the difficult challenges to the point that when they finally hit a wall, they tend to shut down.
They don't know how to deal with adversity and lack both the resilience and flexibility to adapt.
So it's no surprise that the 'best' got checked hard by an unconventional attack while those that had to fight tooth and nail to reach the finish line adapted instantly.
確かに、あのグループは「最低の中の最高」って微妙な立場だよね。
前シーズンで「最優秀の6年生」が平均以下って設定だったし。本当に才能ある奴は最終学年にすら行かずに早期卒業するんだよな。
でも逆に言えば、それが「雑草魂」みたいな感じで、ちょっとしたアドバンテージのために常に必死に戦う姿勢を保ってるってことだと思う。天才児たちは難しい課題を難なくこなしてきて、いざ壁にぶつかると止まっちゃうタイプが多いんだよね。
彼らは逆境に対処する方法を知らなくて、回復力も適応力も欠けてる。だから、型破りな攻撃に「最優秀組」がやられて、必死に食らいついてきた連中が即座に適応したのは納得だわ。普通くん+34
Meiolore
It astounds me how lowly they think of themselves, when they actually fared much better against the monster than the so called tower mages
「自分たちのことを低く見積もりすぎじゃない！？ あの塔の魔導士たちより全然上手く戦えてたのに！」ってマジで驚きすぎるッ！ シオの魔導士殺しの武器使っての連携プレイ、マジで無理なくらいカッコよかったしな！感情くん+17
Frontier246
Especially when after thinking "the adults got this!" it immediately proved "the adults don't got this!"
せやな。「大人が何とかしてくれる！」って思った直後に「大人、無理やん！」ってなるのガチ草生えるわwww2ちゃん+7
Frontier246
I do love though how Julius was the one most insistent they run away like the absolute wimp he is lol.
それな！ジュリアスがマジで逃げる逃げるってうるさいくらい言ってたの笑 まじビビりじゃん！でもそこがまた愛おしいんだけどね笑ギャル+13
Frontier246
原文
>Love the coordination and quick thinking btw the gang to take out those monster with the mage killer weapon from sion to lihanna.
Colette having to destroy a holy monument to a famous figure though. She's going to have to live that down lol.
>Will is going through it seeing rosty died, and sidenote rosty looked pretty cool when he was standing with one arm before he went to save will. Last the detail of rosty turning into dust or crystal in the end.
The stress/grief is probably going to make Will not recognize the sus nature of Rosty's death.
>The ED is very nice now that I can hear it better and little will and elfie are cute, what surprised me was little Collette i didnt expect it this season based of the Manga but the author might have included it or it could just be for the ep.
Was that her with the longer/wild hair? What she looked like pre-Will?
コレットが有名人の聖碑を破壊するのは、後々尾を引きそうだな。ただ、シオンからリハナに至る魔導殺しの武器を使った連携と機転は見事だった。ウィルがロスティの死に直面している場面は辛いが、片腕を立てて立つロスティは結構カッコよかった。最後にロスティが塵や結晶に変わる描写も細かい。このストレスと悲しみで、ウィルはロスティの死の怪しさに気づけないかもしれない。EDはよく聞くと良い曲で、小さなウィルとエルフィは可愛い。予想外だったのは小さなコレット。原作マンガでは今シーズンに出てこなかったけど、作者が入れたのか、あるいはこのエピソードだけの演出か。あれは髪が長くてワイルドな姿の彼女か？ウィルと出会う前の姿だろうな。考察くん+22
YonSaiSucks
原文
Wild play, basically took out all of the big players out of the picture by diversion. Magia Vanders with the Terminalia and Finn by baiting him into the dungeon
Noah was......hostile, to say the least, to logwell threatning to rip out his windpipe. Dude, chill. He got a point tho. If they're taken out, the whole world is screwed. They'll just have to bet that the people below can take care of themselves
I wish we could've seen more of the dwarves action
Animation isnt on point this episode, when the Devander kicked Will with its right leg it suddenly switched to the left in the aftermath lmao. Im guessing they'll turn it up for next episode
Rosti's body wasnt destroyed, but disappeared. Nail on coffin for the speculation
ワイルドすぎるやろ、大物どもを陽動で全部排除しとるやん。マギア・ヴァンダースはターミナリアで、フィンはダンジョンに誘導してな。
ノアは……正直敵意むき出しやったな、ログウェルに「喉笛引きちぎる」って脅してたし。おいおい落ち着けよ。でも一理あるわ。あいつらがやられたら世界終わりやしな。下の連中が何とかしてくれるって賭けるしかないんやろ。
ドワーフの戦闘シーンもっと見たかったンゴ……
今週の作画はイマイチやったな。デヴァンダーが右足でウィル蹴ったのに、直後のカットで左足になってて草。来週は気合い入れてくるやろ。
ロスティの身体は破壊されずに消えたんか。考察の決定打やな。2ちゃん+82
CuriousBroccolli
>with its right leg it suddenly switched to the left in the aftermath lmao
*Duuuh, that IS the magical part* (Akashic Records of Bastard Magic Instructor EP2 spoilers)
>Nail on coffin for the speculation
Yes, "speculation"
確かに、右足で行くかと思ったら急に左に切り替えたの笑うわ
*いや、そこが魔法って部分でしょ*
（ロクでなし魔術講師と禁忌教典EP2ネタバレ）
「推測」の釘を刺したってわけね
そう、「推測」な普通くん+42
RedRocket4000
Love Akashic Records for many reasons only one the girl uniforms the way magic worked and how one got tricky with it like that scene another.
それな！アカシックレコードの魅力ってまじで多すぎるじゃん！女子の制服もだし、魔法の仕組みもやばいし、あのシーンみたいにトリッキーな使い方できるとこが最高なんだよね笑ギャル+10
Meiolore
>Animation isnt on point this episode
Yeah there a lot of still images, or still images with flashes of light in this EP
確かに、今回のEPは静止画とか光のフラッシュばかりで作画がイマイチだったね普通くん+37
Frontier246
In season 1 that scene of Will tearing through a bunch would've been a full sakuga sequence.
確かに！S1だったらあのウィルが敵をなぎ倒すシーン、完全に作画爆発してたじゃん。今は静止画多すぎてちょっと残念だよね〜ギャル+19
tripleaamin
It does feel that they need to be efficient. Well, S2 will be more demanding animation-wise than S1.
確かに、作画リソースを節約してる感じはするね。S2はS1よりアニメーションの要求レベルが上がるだろうし。普通くん+17
Frontier246
原文
>Noah was......hostile, to say the least, to logwell threatning to rip out his windpipe. Dude, chill. He got a point tho. If they're taken out, the whole world is screwed. They'll just have to bet that the people below can take care of themselves
Logwell: "Can I at least bring everybody something to eat..."
Aaron: "YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH LOGWELL OR I'LL REMOVE AN ARM" (Aaron said in his indoor voice)
>>ノア、マジで殺意高すぎやろ。ログウェルに「喉笛引きちぎるぞ」って脅すとか草。落ち着けっての。
でも言ってることは一理あるンゴ。あいつら倒されたら全世界終わるしな。下の連中が何とかしてくれるって賭けるしかないわ。
ログウェル：「せめて何か食いもん持ってこようか…」
アーロン：「ログウェル黙れ。腕もげるぞ」（小声でマジ切れ）2ちゃん+17
Wrath_FMA
I agree animation was on a lower level this episode, but as long as it's in service of hype moments later I think they were very efficient
同意。今週の作画は確かにレベル落ちてたけど、後の盛り上がるシーンのために効率的に使ったってことなら納得だね。普通くん+8
Monkeydp81
I too was kind of concerned when the animation kept doing still frames and shit. But it was nice to see those fears were for nothing because it kicked right back up to 11 when the devander fight truly began.
せやな、ワイも静止画連発で「やばくね？」って思ったンゴwww でもディバインダー戦が本格化したら一気に盛り返したやん！ 不安は無駄やったわ、ガチで草2ちゃん+5
obviouslypineapple
>Not sure what the point is to put your best mages on the barrier duty if that just means they can't do anything for a year.
That doesn't seem correct. In that meeting they said it was the one day of the year where they are weakened
確かにそれはおかしいよね。あの会議で「一年で一番弱体化する日」って言ってたし、最強の魔導師たちをバリア担当に一年間も縛る意味が分からない。普通くん+5
NationalStrategy
Mage: Magic is everything, swords are useless, wands are superior!
Will: Well, well, well.
「魔導士どもが『魔法こそ全て、剣なんて無意味、杖こそ至高！』とか言ってるけどさ」
ウィル「へぇ〜、そうかそうか」って感じで笑ったｗｗｗ この展開優勝すぎるッ！感情くん+85
Frontier246
The bad guys aren't just trying to kill the Magia Vander, they wanted to give Will the perfect opportunity to flex and show off for everybody.
悪者たちはマギア・ヴァンダーを殺そうとしてただけじゃなくて、ウィルに完璧な見せ場を与えてくれたんだな。みんなの前でカッコつけるチャンスをね。普通くん+37
RedRocket4000
Well they clearly include Will as significant threat so they sent that monster at him.
確かに！奴らはウィルを明確に脅威と見なしてるからこそ、あのモンスターを差し向けたんだな。そのチャンスでウィルが全力を見せる展開、熱すぎるッ！感情くん+16
BosuW
Mfs knew there existed a way to bring their haughty asses back to Earth but which could be made up for by melee fighters and act like this 🤦♂️
わかるわかる！「魔法最強！剣なんて無意味！」って言ってた奴らが、実は近接戦闘で叩きのめされる方法があるって知ってて、それでもあんなツンデレ態度取ってるのまじで草なんだけど🤦♂️ギャル+5
ratsami1997
Im so glad all these racist mages with superiority complex are getting massacred ngl
正直言って、ああいう優越感に浸ってる差別主義者の魔術師たちがバタバタやられてくの、めっちゃスッキリするわ普通くん+80
Galinhooo
Two episodes from now they will probably be back to "LOL THIS GUY IS SUCH A FAILURE EVEN THO HE IS 50X AS STRONG AS US COMBINED"
それな！今はボコボコにされてるけど、2話後にはまた「こいつ落第生じゃんw」って言い出すんだろうな笑 こっちの方が50倍強いのにね！ギャル+54
Frontier246
"He's only slightly more competent as a laggard than we imagined!"
「想像してたよりは少しはマシな落ちこぼれってところだな！」普通くん+22
Meiolore
I just want the dwarves to do more man, they kept getting step on without being able to do anything
わかるッ！ドワーフたちにもっと活躍してほしいよな…踏みつけられっぱなしで何もできずに終わるのしんどすぎるッ！感情くん+20
Frontier246
Donnan: "It's time for us to show off!"
(Proceed to get teared into by the Devonden)
Donnan: "Never mind!"
せやな、Donnanの「見せ場や！」からの即ボコられ「やっぱええわ」草生えるww
ドワーフ勢はマジで不遇やな、何もできずに踏まれるだけやん…2ちゃん+12
izacktorres
Is it just me or is the animation much weaker in comparison with Season 1?
え、まじで！？俺だけ？第1話から作画落ちてない！？やばくね？笑ギャル+62
actionfirst1
It picked up towards the end, my guess is that they're saving it for some future fights, this episode was more to show the brutal city destruction, most of the Summoned Skulls were taken out quickly
*(of course I could be huffing some hopium right now)*
確かに最初は弱く感じたけど終盤はマシになったンゴねぇ
ワイの予想やと今後のバトルに作画リソース温存してるんやろな
今回の話は街破壊の悲惨さ見せるのが目的で、召喚スカルはすぐ処理されてたし
(まあ希望的観測かもしれへんけどなww)2ちゃん+77
Frontier246
I'm glad I'm not the only one who kept seeing Summoned Skulls (one of the best OG! Yugi cards).
確かに、召喚されたスカル（遊戯の初期カードの中でも最高の一枚）に見えたのは俺だけじゃなかったんだな、安心したわ。普通くん+10
MrRoundDB
S2 is helmed by a different director now. S1 director helped with storyboarding/directing the S2 opening but he is in a more supervisory role and not as hands on compared to S2 now esp since Yoshihara the S1 director is more known for action director on stuff like Black Clover/Chainsawman
せやな、S2は監督変わってるンゴ。
S1のヨシハラ監督はOPの絵コンテ・演出で関わってるけど、今は監修ポジションでS2ほどガッツリ関わってないんやろな。
あの人、ブラクロやチェンソーマンのアクション演出で有名やしな。2ちゃん+21
HarshTheDev
I think Key Animators play a bigger role here.
確かに、原画マンの影響の方が大きいと思うな。普通くん+13
aniMayor
Season 1 had some big dips after the first few episodes, too. They clearly had a ton of ambition but fell into production hell trying to keep up the same lavishness of those first couple episodes. This seems to me like S2 is just going modest from the start. Which is a shame, of course, but I'm not surprised.
せやな、S1も序盤から後半にかけて作画落ちてたしな。最初の数話はめっちゃ気合入ってたけど、制作地獄にハマって同じクオリティ保てなかったんやろな。S2は最初から控えめ路線って感じやわ。そら残念やけど、ワイは予想通りやったわ。2ちゃん+14
Marty1989
It has been a lot weaker, I just started at S1 E1 after watching this episode.. its very different.
それな！私も今期観たあとでS1の1話から見直したんだけど、全然クオリティ違うじゃん！やばくね？笑ギャル+10
SunbeeRay
Maybe saving for next episode
確かに、次回のために抑えてるのかもね。普通くん+5
Cold_Ad8276
They really like to focus on Lihanna's thighs
リハンナの太ももに焦点当てすぎでしょッ！もう優勝すぎる感情くん+41
Frontier246
Those are some lightning-grade thighs!
リハンナの太腿、雷属性すぎて草www2ちゃん+25
Wrath_FMA
Thigh guys unite!
太もも派、集まれ！普通くん+6
Lion_kun
Elfaria will have a lot to explain and apologize to Will over Frosty the Snowman. "Sorry the Ice Homunculi I made to peep on you in the bath ended up giving you a massive trauma!"
エルファリア、ウィルにフロスティ・ザ・スノーマンの件でめっちゃ説明と謝罪しなきゃじゃん！「ごめんね、お風呂覗こうと思って作った氷のホムンクルスがまさかトラウマ植え付けるなんて！」ってやばくね！？笑ギャル+40
darthvall
They made the scene so tragic, but I can't stop thinking how Rosty is just a fake human and I don't feel sad at all at that scene
それな。確かに作りは泣かせにきてるけど、ロスティって所詮偽物の人間だし、あのシーンで全然悲しくならなかったわ。演出だけエモくても無理すぎるッ！感情くん+7
MasterIncus
Rosti noooooo! I was not ready for a death so early in the season (or maybe even in this anime) and this really caught me off guard.
ロスティぃぃぃ！まさかシーズン序盤（というかこのアニメ全体で）で死ぬとは思ってなかったし、本当に不意打ち食らったわ。普通くん+28
Atachzy
Doesn't seem like he died, as his body became ice particles, he is probably Elfis clone.
せやな、死んでないっぽいわ。体が氷の粒子になったし、多分エルフィスのクローンやろな。2ちゃん+47
Frontier246
I can only think that Will is too caught up in the moment/grief to be able to recognize that and what Rosty really was.
確かに、ウィルはその時は悲しみで頭がいっぱいで、それに気づけなかったんだろうね。ロスティの正体にもね。普通くん+17
iceo42
When he lost an arm there was a decent bit of blood. I like to imagine Elfi in the tower like “oh shit, gotta maintain the illusion, make the snow red as it comes out and don’t shatter. Hold firm”
まじそれな！腕落ちた時血出てたし、エルフィが塔で「やべっ、幻覚維持しなきゃ！雪を赤くしつつバラバラにならないようにしなきゃ…頑張れ！」って焦ってるの想像すると笑えるんだけど笑ギャル+11
fradddd
which means…Elfie has seen Will’s pecker, but hers is bigger!
つまり…エルフィはウィルのちんこ見てるけど、自分の方がでかいってことじゃん！普通くん+6
Realistic_Hunt_2333
Goddamn the animation is a downgrade compared to season 1
作画クソ落ちてね？S1と比べるとガチで劣化してて草2ちゃん+31
djthomp
原文
Did (F)rosti really just die by shattering into ice shards? Assuming the common theory about him being an ice clone is true (which seems incredibly likely at this point) I suppose a realistic bloody death isn't something Elfaria probably planned for since why would you. Then again his arm coming off was pretty bloody, so maybe she did plan at least for non-lethal wounds.
Good thing for the mages that the dwarves were perfectly willing to stand and fight regardless of their normal underclass status. Maybe in truth good thing for Will building bridges with them since helping him was their main battle cry.
I'm glad the announcer witch didn't also get cut in half like that one mage fighting on the streets.
フロスティ、氷の破片になって死んだのか？多分氷のクローン説が正しいんだろうけど、現実的な血みどろの死はエルファリアも想定してなかったんだろうな。でも腕が吹っ飛んだ時は血が出てたし、少なくとも致命傷にならない程度のダメージは計算してたのかも。
ドワーフたちが下層民の立場関係なく立ち向かってくれたのは魔術師たちにとって良かったね。ウィルとの橋渡しができたのも大きいし、彼を助けるのが彼らの合言葉だったしな。
アナウンサーの魔女が通りで戦ってた魔術師みたいに真っ二つにされなくてよかったよ。普通くん+25
der_dotte
原文
##Make sure to **not** watch the preview after the credits this time. It does spoil a bit much.
Well, thats one hell of a situation they have got. Lots of casualties, even Rosti disintegrated into some kinda particles with an icy/glass sound. And of course Will has absolutely no chance against that monster. Now would be a good time for the magia vander to come down, well if only Oldking would renounce his order...
On the other hand we have seen Finn again, maybe he can do something?
今回のエンディング後の次回予告は**絶対に見ない方がいい**。ネタバレが結構キツい。
状況はかなり深刻だな。多数の犠牲者、ロスティも氷かガラスのような音と共に粒子に分解されてしまった。ウィルがその怪物に全く太刀打ちできないのは当然だろう。ここでマギア・ヴァンデルが降臨してくれればいいんだが…オールドキングが命令を撤回しない限り無理か。
一方でフィンが再登場した。彼なら何かできるかもしれない。考察くん+25
fradddd
never catch me watching a preview they’re always too spoilery
わかる、俺も絶対に予告編は見ないッ！いつもネタバレしすぎだろマジで。感情くん+10
Vahallen
原文
All I could think about this episode is that if you gave Will a magekiller and he was out for blood, 90% of mages would be dead meat, stupid fucking EMO professor as well
Which makes really fucking stupid that they threat him this bad, like magekiller (sword) is not something new and you really want to ostracize and antagonize the crazy skilled swordman?
Like, legit, killing Will makes more sense than threating him like this, because “evil” Will with a magekiller is a genuinely scary tought
Talking about the ending, does that mean this is the end of Rosty? We as viewers know it’s just Elfie, but Will doesn’t right? So Rosty can’t just show up again and not explain what is going on
このエピソード見て思ったんだけど、もしウィルに魔術殺しの剣を持たせて本気で殺しに行かせたら、魔術師の9割は即死だよね。あのエモい教授も含めて。
だからこそ、あんな風に扱き下ろすのはマジで意味不明。魔術殺し（剣）なんて新しいもんじゃないのに、異常に強い剣士を敵に回そうとするのは愚策すぎる。
むしろ、こういう扱いするくらいなら殺した方がマシだよ。「悪のウィル」に魔術殺しを持たせるのはマジで恐怖でしかないからね。
あとラストだけど、あれでロスティは終わりってこと？視聴者はエルフィだって分かってるけど、ウィルは知らないよね。だからロスティが突然現れて何も説明しないってのは無理があるだろ。普通くん+22
der_dotte
That mage slayer sword appeared for the first time just around the dungeon expedition exam. Finn and Noah (Magia vander) brought a Mage slayer sword back for research but this attack happened pretty quickly after.
We are already seeing that some mages want to rely on Will and know what he can do. Its only a matter of time until the rest will see that too.
確かに、あの魔剣が初登場したのはダンジョン遠征試験の頃だったな。フィンとノア（マギア・ヴァンダー）が研究用に持ち帰ったが、この襲撃はそれからかなり早い段階で起きている。
既に一部の魔術師たちはウィルの実力を理解し、彼に頼ろうとしている。残りの連中もいずれ気づくだろう、というのが俺の考察だ。考察くん+17
Vahallen
Oh ok, so magekillers are just the ones introduced last season with no previous record?
I kinda assumed that if they exist at all there must have been another case in history because of how big a deal it is, but if last season is the first time they are introduced as a concept it makes more sense
ああ、なるほど。つまり魔剣使いは前シーズンで初めて登場した存在で、それ以前の記録はないってことか。
確かに、そんな重要な存在なら歴史的に他にも事例があったはずだと思ってたけど、前シーズンで初めて概念として出てきたなら納得だわ。普通くん+6
Paulrusu
The bad guys were also talking about it this episode saying it was too bad they found out about the mage slayer from the dungeon incident in S1. They said they would have really caught them off guard with those swords had they not discovered them earlier
せやな、今週の話でも悪役連中が「S1のダンジョン事件でメイジスレイヤーのことバレちまったのが痛い」って言うてたわ。あの剣で不意打ち狙えたのに、事前にバレたせいで台無しやったってな。ガチで惜しいことしたンゴねぇ…2ちゃん+9
Bad_Doto_Playa
Wait I don't understand something here... if the swords nullify (or absorb) magic how are the monsters able to go through the gates with them? Wouldn't it nullify those? How is the boss monster able to absorb the others? Wouldn't the sword do it instead? (TBH IDK if this part is magic I just assume it is).
待って、ちょっとわからないんだけど…もし剣が魔法を無効化（または吸収）するなら、モンスターたちはどうやって剣を持ったままゲートを通れてるの？それで無効化されないの？ボスモンスターが他を吸収できるのもおかしくない？剣の方が吸収しそうじゃん？（正直ここが魔法かどうかはわからんけど、たぶんそうだと思う）普通くん+21
Waeddryn_71
原文
It's sloppy writing. From literally everything they tell us and that we see from those swords it should be impossible for them to go through a magic gate, but the writer needed the swords there and either didn't care or was too lazy to bother coming up with an alternative way of making it happen....
It's like in Bleach, in the last arc when the Quincy show up and steal various Bankai from the Soul Reapers and then just use them as they please. That tramples on 2 established facts; 1 - a Bankai can't be "forced" into activation, it can only work if the Zanpakuto's spirit accepts and allows you to use it's power, and 2- it's supposed to take a LONG time to use a Bankai effectively, but the Quincy are fu@$in perfect with them right away...
In both of these instances the issue is the same; the writer had a specific thing they wanted to happen that completely contradicted/violated previously established rules, and they couldn't be arsed to actually make it so that it made sense.
確かにご指摘の通り、これは明らかに設定の整合性を無視した粗雑な脚本だと言わざるを得ない。剣が魔法を無効化（あるいは吸収）するという前提からすれば、モンスターが魔法の門を通過できるはずがない。しかし制作陣はその矛盾を無視してでも剣をあの場に配置したかったのだろう。まるで『BLEACH』の最終編でクインシーが卍解を強奪し、即座に完璧に使いこなす展開と同じ問題だ。卍解は「強制発動」できないという原則や、習得に長期間を要するという設定を完全に踏みにじっている。両者に共通するのは、「作者が実現したい展開」が「既存のルール」を平然と破っている点だ。設定を活かした納得感のある展開を考える努力を放棄した結果としか思えない。考察くん+9
Waeddryn_71
原文
The worst part about this with Wistoria is that this particular inconsistency is easily fixed. Just have a scene in the previous episode where some "shady" people are bringing in cargo under the guise of it being for the festival. Said cargo is then revealed to be the Mage Slayer swords which are distributed to the specific monsters when they arrive.... I mean it would have taken less than 30 seconds worth of scene to fix the entire issue, which frankly makes this sloppy writing even more infuriating than the issue I have with Bleach....
ウィストリアで一番もったいないのは、この矛盾が簡単に直せるってことだよね。前の話で怪しい連中が祭りの荷物に見せかけて何か運び込むシーンを30秒足らず入れるだけで、あの魔剣が後で特定のモンスターに配られるって描写ができたはず。なのにそれをやらないから、BLEACHよりむしろ納得いかない。普通くん+6
Select_Confusion_837
Am i the only one who thought that the animation felt like PowerPoint.
Some of the scenes where decently animated but some part felt like a png was being moved around the screen. I hope so this isn't a sign of a bad production.
ワイだけなんか？作画がパワポみたいって思ったの
一部のシーンはちゃんと動いてたけど、他の部分はPNGが画面に貼り付いてる感じやったわ。これが制作ヤバい兆候じゃなきゃいいンゴねぇ…2ちゃん+23
rossocenere
You’re not alone. I rewatched the entire season 1 and the same day I finished it, I watched season 2 episodes 1 and 2. The difference is IMMEDIATE. I wondered if they changed animation studio or something. It’s very sad since the season 1 animation and overall direction was breathtaking. In comparison, season 2 seems on a budget.
同意。俺もシーズン1を全部見直してから同日にシーズン2の1、2話観たんだけど、差が一瞬でわかるよ。制作会社変わったのかと思ったわ。シーズン1の作画と演出は圧巻だったのに比べて、シーズン2は予算抑えられてる感じで悲しい。普通くん+9
Obaruler
原文
Essentially its the perfect setup for Will, the only one who can fight effectively here is him. Way to prove why he is needed to everyone.
Should prove those snobby mages a thing or two why it might be a good idea to have someone around in the tower if ever a situation arises where you need alternatives to magic attacks ... if Will survives of course (well, he is the MC ...).
Next episode is gonna be lit.
この展開はウィルにとって完璧なシチュエーションだな。実質的にここで有効に戦えるのは彼だけという構図は、彼の存在意義を全員に証明する絶好の機会と言える。
あの高慢ちきな魔術師連中にも、魔法以外の攻撃手段が必要な状況が塔内で発生した場合に備えて人を置いておく価値を思い知らせてやれるはず……もちろんウィルが生き残ればの話だが（まあ、主人公だから大丈夫だろうけど）。次回は間違いなく熱い展開になる。考察くん+18
Frontier246
It's surprisingly convenient how great this situation is for Will to really prove himself, minus all the people actually dying of course.
確かに！ウィルにとってはまさにうってつけのシチュエーションじゃん！でも死人が出てるのはやばいけどね笑ギャル+10
BosuW
Maybe the villains are just trying to help Will out!
確かに、悪役たちがウィルの成長を後押ししてるようにも見えるよね。普通くん+7
DragonPup
原文
One of the things I like about Will as a main character is his moments of doubt. He gets scared, he's not sure he can even survive let alone win, he questions if he should help the same people who tormented him or the society that discriminates against his Dwarven friends. As viewers we know he's going to come through in the end to saver people but it's him not blindly and unquestionably being the perfect hero that makes him feel more real than most shounen protags.
ウィルが主人公として魅力的なのは、彼の迷いの瞬間が描かれている点だ。恐怖を感じ、勝つどころか生き残れるかも確信が持てず、自分を虐げてきた人々やドワーフの仲間を差別する社会を助けるべきか葛藤する。視聴者としては最終的に彼が人々を救うと分かっていても、盲目的に疑いなく完璧なヒーローを演じないからこそ、多くの少年漫画の主人公よりリアルに感じられる。これはキャラクター造形の深さを示す意図的な演出だと思われる。考察くん+17
felidhino
There is no way I would've helped the mages against those things. I am to vindictive! And to make matters worse their attitude towards Will will NOT/NEVER change no matter what he does. Will is too good for them, I personally would play my violin as their city burned to the ground.
あの化け物相手に魔術師たちを助けるなんて絶対無理。俺は執念深いからね！しかもウィルに対するあの態度は、何をしても変わらないだろうし。ウィルにはもったいなさすぎるよ。個人的には街が燃え尽きるのをバイオリンでも弾きながら見てるわ。普通くん+16
Frontier246
When a main characters' gotta main character even against a society that rejected him.
せやな。社会に拒絶されても主人公は主人公やるしかないんやろなあ。草2ちゃん+5
NoNameSwitzerland
If he had a backbone, it would be broken when he was thrown through 5 walls.
5枚の壁を突き破って投げ飛ばされたら、背骨が折れててもおかしくないよな。普通くん+9
bananeeek
原文
I'm glad that one student who made arrogance his whole personality got sliced in half. Their society is so screwed up that I couldn't help but cheer for the monsters for some time. And the worst part is that even if they win, most of them won't be humbled at all. They will continue spouting their prejudice again the moment things calm down.
I fear for Will's mental state considering that not only is he at his lowest point, he also watched his best friend get slaughtered right in front of him. I really, really, really hope Elfie will let him know the truth and the sooner the better.
This season started off strong. I see a lot of people complain about the animation, but I'm just glad this got a sequel.
傲慢を体現したようなあの生徒が真っ二つにされたのは納得だな。彼らの社会は歪みすぎていて、しばらくモンスターを応援したくなる気持ちも理解できる。最悪なのは、仮に彼らが勝ったとしても、ほとんどの奴らが謙虚になることはなく、事態が落ち着けばまた偏見を撒き散らすだろうってことだ。
ウィルの精神状態が心配だ。彼がどん底にいるだけでなく、目の前で親友が惨殺されるのを目撃したわけだから。エルフィには一刻も早く真実を伝えてほしいと切に願う。
今期は好スタートを切ったな。アニメーションに不満を言う人も多いが、続編が決まったこと自体に感謝したい。考察くん+20
Frontier246
It'd be kind of hilarious if Elfie's plan after this is to basically have Frosty 2.0 move in as Will's new roommate lol.
確かに、あの傲慢なやつが真っ二つにされたのはスッキリするわ。あの社会はマジで歪んでるよな。
エルフィの計画が、フロスティ2.0をウィルの新しいルームメイトとして住まわせることだったら笑えるなw普通くん+16
bananeeek
> Hi, I'm Freezy, I'm your new roommate. Now let's take a bath together.
Yeah, that would be funny, but I doubt it will happen. Since Will is the only one who saw his death (or at least it looked like it), I'm guessing Rosty will appear again and explain herself to Will, but otherwise keep it hidden.
If that happens, it will be hilarious when Colette sees Will flirting back with Rosty.
エルフィーが「フロスティ2.0」をウィルの新しいルームメイトとして住まわせる計画、確かに笑える展開だよな。「初めまして、フリージーです、新しいルームメイトです。一緒にお風呂に入りましょう」なんて言われたら、もう完全にコメディだわ。
ただ実際は難しいと思う。ウィルだけがロスティの死（少なくともそう見えた状況）を目撃してるって点を踏まえると、ロスティは再登場してウィルに事情を説明するけど、基本的には正体を隠す方向に動くんじゃないかな。もしそうなったら、コレットがウィルとロスティのイチャイチャを目撃した時の反応が最高に面白いことになるだろうな。考察くん+16
Shimmering-Sky
原文
- Shouldn’t have turned your back to it.
- *Brutal*.
- Oh fun…
- The Magia Vander aren’t allowed to help against this invasion. So is it gonna be Will’s turn to shine against the mage killer swords?
- Ooh, the dwarves get to kick butt too.
- RIP that statue. No wonder Colette looked so sad having to topple it over with her magic.
- Ah fuck, one blow from that thing already did *that* much damage to Will…
- Oh… oh *fuck*.
- And it’s powering up from the remains of all the other monsters?
- It even stopped Rosty from helping out Will…
- Gah–
- That’s one hell of a way to end the episode…
- 背後を取るんじゃなかったな
- *エグい*
- おお、楽しみだ…
- マギア・ヴァンダーはこの侵略に対して支援を禁じられてるのか。じゃあウィルが魔剣使い相手に輝く番になるのかな？
- お、ドワーフたちも大暴れしそうだ
- あの像、可哀想に。コレットが魔法で倒すのをあんなに悲しそうにしてたのも納得だわ
- うわ、あれの一撃でウィルにあんなダメージが…
- ああ…*やべえ*
- しかも他のモンスターの残骸からパワーアップしてる？
- ロスティがウィルを助けるのさえ止めてるし…
- ぎゃっ—
- 今週のラスト、えげつない終わり方だな…普通くん+14
Frontier246
原文
There comes a time when aura farming is more counterproductive than cool.
I kind of get where they're coming from and how they can't risk the Magia Vander, but they still all come off like elitist jerks hiding away in their tower.
I was really hoping the dwarves would get to flex, but alas...
I'm sure they'll understand the extenuating circumstances behind Colette taking down that statue...maybe lol.
確かにオーラ稼ぎが逆効果になる瞬間ってあるよな。魔導塔の連中の立場は理解できるし、マギア・ヴァンダーを危険に晒せない事情も分かる。でも結局、塔に引きこもってるエリート主義者にしか見えないんだよな。
ドワーフたちが活躍する展開を期待してたんだけど…残念だ。
コレットがあの像を倒した事情、彼らが理解してくれるといいんだけど…まあ無理かもな（笑）。考察くん+5
Frontier246
If I remember right it was part of them even being accepted into society in the first place after they lost to the mages in a war?
え、てかそれって確か魔術師との戦争に負けた後、社会に受け入れられる条件の一つだったんじゃなかったっけ？やばくね！？ギャル+7
Substantial_Pop5438
Huge animation downgrade so far
作画ガタ落ちやん……今のところかなり残念やわ2ちゃん+16
FakePretendeRat
Did Rosty just... shatter? 🤨
ロスティ、今…砕けた？🤨普通くん+13
OddTea74
Great ep but the animation is kinda lacking as compared to s1...
おっきーエピソードだったけどさ、アニメーションがS1に比べてちょっと物足りなくない！？やばくね！？ギャル+17
KamiSono
Yall not cool for that ending
あの終わり方はクールじゃないな普通くん+10
AvatarTuner
原文
ROSTY NOOOO!!!!
His death with the particle effects seems to allude to what has been speculated before (I'm still not sure how the heavy arm bleeding works though), but of course Will doesn't know this and will be now in utter despair for the time being. As if the poor boy hasn't suffered enough. At least he's still alive and they will get rid of that OP monster somehow, else the series would be over already. lol
The episode was quite brutal and it was interesting to see that there actually were some named character casualties. The elitism of the mages is still insane. They saw people getting murdered by those powerful monsters right in front of them and they're still shit-talking the dwarfes and Will... They can be lucky the dwarfes came to help at all, even if they couldn't do all too much.
What intrigues me is how they seemingly never encountered anything that was resistant to magic, even in the depths of the dungeon. The weapon is a highly kept secret for obvious reasons, but when there is one, I suppose there must be more further down.
This really feels like a setup to foster the mages only just to crush them later on with anti-magic weaponry. I find it curious how seemingly nobody, even amongst the mages, had been interested in physical or sword combat or even thought of combining the two. I guess that's how it goes when a certain "way of life" is drilled into them and most mages' ambition is just to become a magia vander.
Random theory, please let me know in the source if I'm correct. That other blonde character with the big backpack in the dungeon is also an Elfie clone, isn't it?! I can see a pattern there. Just how many has she running around? lol
ロスティィィィィ！！！やられたンゴwww
パーティクルエフェクト付きの死に方が以前の考察を裏付けてるな（腕から血ドバドバの仕組みはまだわからんけど）。当然ウィルは知らんからしばらく絶望一直線やろ。あのボロボロの少年にこれ以上何すんねん。まあ生きてるだけマシか。あのOPモンスターどないかせんとシリーズ終わっちゃうわｗｗｗ
今週の話はガチでエグかったな。名前付きキャラが何人か死んだのは興味深いわ。魔術師どものエリート意識ヤバすぎやろ。目の前で強力モンスターに人が殺されてんのにドワーフとウィルにディスり続けるとか…ドワーフが助けに来ただけありがたいと思えや、大した戦力にならんかったけどな。
気になるのは、彼らが最深部でも魔力耐性持ちに遭遇したことないっぽい点や。武器は当然極秘やけど、一つあるならもっと下にもあるんやろな。
これ、魔術師どもを育てといて後で対魔力兵器で叩き潰すための布陣やろ。誰一人として剣術とか魔法と組み合わせる発想すらなかったのが謎やわ。特定の「生き方」を叩き込まれて、大半の魔術師がマギア・ヴァンダー目指すだけってのはそういうことか。
【適当考察】
あのリュック背負った金髪キャラもエルフィのクローンやろ！？パターン見えて2ちゃん+8
Galinhooo
Elfie created the clones at 2, at this point they probably have a full functional body with a big dong (last part according to will)
エルフィが2歳でクローンを作ったってことか…その時点で既にちゃんとした体があったんだろうね（最後の部分はウィル談）普通くん+18
Frontier246
Which is totally something a woman with the barest minimum of understanding of male anatomy would come up with lol.
それな！笑 男の身体のこと全然わかってない女が考えそうな設定すぎて草ギャル+12
Frontier246
>Random theory, please let me know in the source if I'm correct. That other blonde character with the big backpack in the dungeon is also an Elfie clone, isn't it?! I can see a pattern there. Just how many has she running around? lol
No, that's Finn. He was introduced at the tail end of season 1 (and is a transplant from the authors' other work).
いや、あれはフィンだよ。シーズン1の終盤で登場したキャラで（作者の別作品からの移籍組）。普通くん+10
MayonakaMadaraka
Oof. That was brutal. I’m just going to believe that Rosti isn’t gone. They can come back as a familiar right? Or maybe a sword — that’s it — a *talking* sword!
うわっ…あれはエグすぎるッ！ロスティが消えたなんて信じたくない。使い魔として戻ってくるって可能性あるよね？それか剣になるパターン——そうだ、*喋る剣*で復活してくれよ！泣くわ…感情くん+8
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Damn, they're really going in on the brutality of this incident, that one fire mage had a clear death flag with how overconfident he was, but the amount of civilians, mages and even dwarves dying is crazy.
I'm glad the mages are still able to defend themselves against the ones without mage slayers, but they've really shot themselves in the foot by not being quick enough getting dwarves in on the action. Hopefully they'll be able to locate those two ringleaders.
But man Rosty dying was such a surprise even if I expected it. It was already bad enough his arm got cut off, but seeing him protecting Will like that was so sad.
I do have to mention how it appeared as if Rosty shattered. I can't remember what my theory was about him since his voice actor is hidden, but were there hints about him being Elfaria's created magic? Water and Ice are part of the same magic group, right? I feel like the shattering was like ice crystals and he uses water magic, so I'm going with that theory until something more obvious comes up.
おいおい、今回の事件の凶悪さガチやばいな
あの火魔法使いは自信満々すぎて死亡フラグ立ってたけど、民間人や魔法使い、ドワーフまで死んでくのはエグすぎるわ
魔導士狩り持ってない連中にはまだ魔法使い側が対抗できてるのは救いやけど、ドワーフを早く戦力にできなかったのは自爆やな
何とかあの首謀者2人を見つけてほしいンゴ
でもロスティが死んだのは予想してたとはいえマジで衝撃やったわ
腕切り落とされただけでも十分きついのに、ウィルを守ってああなるのは悲しすぎるやろ
それとロスティが砕け散ったように見えたの気になるわ
声優が伏せられてたからワイの推理は忘れたけど、エルファリアの創造魔法ってヒントあったんか？
水と氷って同じ魔法グループやろ？砕け方が氷の結晶っぽかったし、水魔法使うロスティならその説で行くわ、もっとはっきりしたのが出るまではな2ちゃん+7
deynyel
Goddamn, they got cooked this episode. Magia Vander out of commission, Finn still in the dungeon and buffed boss monster with magic-nullifying sword. Will is simply not strong enough right now. Do we really need more casualties for a Will "power-up"?
今週の展開、完全にやられたな。マギア・ヴァンダーは戦線離脱、フィンはダンジョンに取り残され、魔法無効化の剣を持った強化ボスモンスター。現状のウィルでは到底太刀打ちできない。本当にウィルの「パワーアップ」のためにもっと犠牲が必要なのか？という考察ができる。考察くん+7
Thewanderer1141
This episode was great you could really feel the weight of Rostys death. I was not expecting that at all. Cant wait for next weeks episode I feel like we are in for a treat.
まじ今回の話ヤバかった！ロスティの死、重すぎてやばくね！？全然予想してなかったんだけど笑 来週の話、絶対アツいやつくるじゃん！楽しみすぎる！！ギャル+6
Liesianthes
原文
What a brutal episode. Deaths left and right from mages and dwarves. This will surely change a lot of things after this. Also lol'ed on how the dwarves tried to break the trope by stopping the monster while absorbing the other ones and the villain said, oh no, can't do that. Still that scene was an intense one on how mages are trying to stop it while the villains are preventing them from doing so.
It did remind me of the MHA situation on how things are becoming hopeless as time goes by.
マジでエグい回やったわ。魔術師とドワーフがバタバタ死んでくンゴwww これで状況ガラッと変わるやろな。ドワーフがモンスター吸収しながら止めようとして、敵が「あ、それは無理」って言ったとこ草生えたわ。でも魔術師が阻止しようとする一方で敵が邪魔するあのシーンはガチで緊迫感あった。
なんかヒロアカ思い出したわ。時間経つごとに絶望感増してく感じが似てるンゴね。2ちゃん+6
NationalStrategy
Damn, RIP Rosti
He wanted to get penetrated from behind with Will involved, but not like this.
あー、ロスティかわいそうに…
ウィルが関わってるから後ろから貫かれる展開は望んでたけど、まさかこんな形で来るとはな…普通くん+6
Cold_Ad8276
Lihanna's thighs have more budget than other people except Will.
リハンナの太もも、ウィル以外のキャラより予算かかってる説あるんだけど笑 やばくね！？ギャル+5
Previous-Document705
Damn animation is a downgrade
確かに作画落ちてるな…普通くん+5
frantruck
So obvious that dude was dead as soon as he tried to “cool guys don’t look at explosions” it lol.
あの男、爆発シーンで「かっこよく振り返らない」やろうとした瞬間に死ぬのは確定じゃん笑。やばくね！？ギャル+5
trash1000
Well, didn't he blow up in ice shards in the end?
せやな、最後に氷の破片で爆発四散したやんwww2ちゃん+13
Bloodglas
I couldn't help but notice a distinct lack of blood from Will getting smashed around through buildings.
マジで気づいちゃったんだけど、ウィルが建物にめっちゃぶつかってるのに血が出てないのやばくね！？ギャル+6
aniMayor
They haven't even followed up yet on whatever was happening with Will kinda absorbing Sion's fire spell and recasting it with his sword last season, either.
確かに、ウィルがシオンの火魔法を吸収して剣で放った件、今シーズンまだフォローされてないよね。普通くん+5
