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泣いて弥々吉を斬る
桜虎と龍門の決戦は、空城の計による龍門の作戦勝ちに終わり、桜虎の威光失墜は誰の目にも明らかになっていた。そんななか、桜虎は信頼する参謀・閉伊弥々吉の策に頼るのだが...。
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FarCritical
Putting a tutorial for the glove puppet as the eyecatch is in its own tier of cruelty. It's as if Yayakichi personally wrote it after the letters for Wajima to find so she could cheer herself up after he was gone.
あの手袋人形の指南をアイキャッチにぶち込むとは…まさに悪魔の所業よな。さながら夜八吉自らが遺した手紙を輪島が見つけ、亡き後の励みにするための策略かのようだ。中二病
NanDemoKnaives
Now you've made it sadder for me.
それってさらに悲しくなったわ…普通くん
moichispa
Damnnnnnnn bro, I can't cry harder
やばすぎん!?まじで泣けるんだけどヤバいってこれ!!ギャル
Useful_Project4898
I had just stopped crying. And now they flow once more. 😭
やっと泣き止んだと思ったのに……また涙が止まらなくなっちゃったよ😭普通くん
bushwarblerssong
原文
The title of the episode, "Naite Yayakichi wo Kiru (泣いて弥々吉を斬る)" or "Shedding Tears While Executing Yayakichi" is a reference to the expression "Shedding Tears while Executing Ma Su ( 泣いて馬謖を斬)," which is used to describe punishing someone you care about or value for the sake of justice and greater good. In Romance of the Three Kingdoms , Zhuge Liang ordered Ma Su's execution after the general ignored instructions which led to the loss of Jieting , a strategic location in Zhuge Liang's campaign against Wei. Though Ma Su was a favorite of Zhuge Liang's and Zhuge had personally appointed him to protect the city, the strategist felt he had to be impartial and encourage his soldiers to adhere to military law, so he tearfully ordered the general's execution for subordination. The anime's official account retweeted that Kaku's model is Eastern Han Dynasty scholar, Kaku Tai or Guo Tai (Linzong) as he is known in China, with influences from Cao Wei official Jia Xu , and Cao Cao's adviser, Guo Jia . Like Kaku, Guo Tai was a bright wordsmith from a poor family who became one of the leading scholars at the imperial academy. He was greatly admired by and befriended Li Ying ), whose biography ( Houhanshu ) contains one of the first references to the "Dragon Gate" or Tōryūmon ( Longmen )). Guo Tai was so respected that when he died, more than one thousand scholars from all parts of the country appeared at his funeral. When Yayakichi and Kaku speak of "Heaven," "Earth" and "Man," they are likely referencing Volume 2 of the Book of Mencius. The chapter begins with: "Mencius said, 'Opportunities of time vouchsafed by Heaven are not equal to advantages of situation afforded by the Earth, and advantages of situation afforded by the Earth are not equal to the union arising from the accord of Men." We can add more dialects to the list of dialects (Ehime, Kansai/Osaka, Tokyo, Fukui) spoken in the series. Some Seii soldiers used Tsugaru-ben and Yamagata-ben , which are Tohoku dialects, as they yelled and threw stones at Yayakichi. In Episode 8, some also seemed to be speaking Niigata dialect as they watched Ryūmon perform his tea ceremony. Although it isn't apparent in the English translation, we also have some funny internet slang again. One soldier exclaims Ouga folding under pressure and retreating from Ryūmon was "LMAO"-worthy (草に極まりない). Another says that he can no longer support her as his oshi (推すのはやめます). Jien Hibi's first name may be inspired by the Nagano Tendai monk and poet, Jien (慈延) . He's considered to be one of the Four Kings of Waka Poetry of the Edo Period. Hakuyaku Tabuchi's name may come from the military strategist and politician Jiang Wei (Boyue) of the Three Kingdoms period, who is also known as Hakuyaku (伯約) in Japanese. He was highly regarded by Zhuge Liang. Unlike other citizens of Seii who seem to have exotic kira kira (Mūton), ethnic (Aterui) or trollish names (Hikabi-Machupichu), Yayakichi and his sons Daikichi (大吉) and Yasuke (弥輔) have first names that you would associate with Edo period townsmen. ETA: I forgot that people outside Japan might immediately associate the name "Yasuke" with the historical Yasuke (弥助) from Africa who came to Japan as a Portuguese slave and later became a retainer to Oda Nobunaga (he's not the controversial figure in Japan he's become in the West and he's been depicted in Japanese media many times without issue), but Yasuke was a common name in the Edo period and given Daikichi and Yayakichi's names, I think it's more likely that it was chosen because of it's popularity during that time in Japanese history rather than because of the historical figure. Last week, u/Pleasant-Aspect2948 asked about the Sanskrit the monks were chanting in Episode 8 . Jima (Music Producer/Director) says he used a recording of the monks at Hase-dera Temple in Nara chanting sutras during one of their services. Founded in the 7th century, Hase-dera, also known as the “Temple of Flowers,” is the head temple of the Buzan sect of Shingon Buddhism. How cool that they allowed him to record them for the anime! (If you ever visit Nara, you should definitely visit the temple although if you ever visit Nara, you probably will anyway.) Nothing for the glossary this week. I have so many other thoughts for the source corner.
【第9話タイトルについて】 「泣いて弥々吉を斬る」は「泣いて馬謖を斬る」のもじりやな。諸葛亮が愛した馬謖を軍律違反で泣く泣く処刑した故事が元ネタ。青輝が弥々吉を斬る展開になるんか…? 【鶴のモデル】 公式がリツイートした情報だと、鶴のモデルは後漢の学者・郭泰(かくたい)らしいで。貧しい家の出で太学のリーダーになった天才文筆家やったんやて。李膺と親友で、その伝記に「登龍門」の初出があるっちゅう話や。死んだ時は1000人以上の学者が葬式に来たってガチやばい。 【「天」「地」「人」のセリフ】 弥々吉と鶴の会話は孟子の「天の時は地の利に如かず、地の利は人の和に如かず」からやろな。戦略論の根幹や。 【方言ネタ】 聖夷兵が津軽弁・山形弁使ってて草。第8話で龍門の茶会見てた連中は新潟弁やったらしい。方言の幅広すぎやろwww 【ネットスラング】 英語訳には出てこんけど、兵士が「平殿器が龍門にビビって撤退したの草に極まりない」「推すのはやめます」とか言うててワロタ。製作者マジでネットわかっとるな。 【名前考察】 - 日下部慈延(じえん):江戸時代の天台宗の僧・慈延から? -2ちゃん
frankoo123
Your comment always brings a whole new perspective to the episodes, as a Mandarin speaker its truly awesome to learn more about the history and context behind the characters. Much appreciated!
いつもコメントで新しい視点をくれるよね。中国語話者としては、キャラの背景や歴史的文脈をもっと知れるのが本当に嬉しい。感謝してる!普通くん
bushwarblerssong
Wow! Thank you so much for the award and kind words! I really appreciate it and I'm sure there's a lot more Chinese historical/literary influence that I'm missing that I hope people will share. I've been enjoying reading everyone's comments each week and find these discussion threads very insightful (and a lot better than others despite having fewer comments).
まあ、賞と温かい言葉に感謝してるよ。俺もまだ気づいてない中国の歴史や文学の影響がたくさんあるだろうな。毎週のコメントを読むのが楽しいし、この議論スレッドは他より数は少ないけど、かなり深い内容だと思うな。ドライおじ
BosuW
Although it isn't apparent in the English translation, we also have some funny internet slang again. One soldier exclaims Ouga folding under pressure and retreating from Ryūmon was "LMAO"-worthy (草に極まりない). Good to see slander and agenda will live on into the post nuclear war world
英訳だとわかりにくいけど、今回もネットスラングが面白かったな。兵士の一人が「平殿器が圧力に屈して龍門から撤退するのは草に極まりない」って言ってたし、核戦争後の世界でも中傷とアジェンダが生き続けてるのは良い意味で安心したわ。普通くん
septesix
Makes me wonder what other inspirations from RoTK we will see. Most of these has came from the later part of the story, I’d like to see some from the earlier parts too.
わかる!RoTKの他にどんな要素が出てくるか気になりすぎるッ!今までのやつは後半の話からが多かったけど、序盤のシーンも見てみたいな〜エモすぎる感情くん
WednesdaysFoole
原文
"Shedding Tears while Executing Ma Su It's interesting how Wajima letting Seii men go unpunished for crimes to keep up morale was the opposite approach of how Aoteru was handling things before, but now, she, too, is executing someone she spent quality time with (even if in Aoteru's case, he wasn't as close with him and Aoteru's guy was being executed for crimes he actually committed). It's still early to tell but for now it feels like they're meant to be foils or thematically parallel to each other, even if their interactions don't end up being direct (although it seems like it will be at some point). Although it isn't apparent in the English translation, we also have some funny internet slang again. One soldier exclaims Ouga folding under pressure and retreating from Ryūmon was "LMAO"-worthy (草に極まりない). Another says that he can no longer support her as his oshi (推すのはやめます). I've thought it before but it's just so funny to see this "historical" story with modern cultural influence, and delivered so seriously at that.
輪島が聖夷の兵士の罪を見逃して士気を維持するやり方は、かつて青輝が取っていた態度と真逆なのが面白い。でも今や彼女も一緒に過ごした相手を処刑することになった(青輝の場合はそこまで親しくなくて、実際に罪を犯した相手だったけど)。まだ判断するのは早いけど、今のところ二人は対照的というかテーマ的に並行して描かれてる気がする。直接的な対決はまだ先かもしれないけど、いずれ来そうだね。 あと英語訳だとわかりにくいけど、またネットスラグが面白いんだ。「平殿器が龍門から撤退するのは草に極まりない」「推すのはやめます」って兵士が言ってて、この真面目な歴史物語に現代のネット文化が混ざるのが何度見ても笑える。普通くん
moichispa
I knew the favourite execution from another anime with Zhuge Liang. it is a really common topic in Japan. Thanks for the info as usual
確かに!諸葛亮が出てくる別アニメでもお馴染みの処刑法だよね。日本ではめっちゃ定番ネタなんだよな。いつもの情報提供マジ感謝ッ!感情くん
saga999
原文
The anime's official account retweeted that Kaku's model is Eastern Han Dynasty scholar, Kaku Tai or Guo Tai (Linzong) as he is known in China, with influences from Cao Wei official Jia Xu, and Cao Cao's adviser, Guo Jia. When I saw Kaku coughing last episode, I immediately thought of Guo Jia. Although the title is a reference to the execution of Ma Su, the result in this episode is the reverse of that. Ma Su didn't listen to Zhuge Liang and lost. Zhuge Liang ended up killing Ma Su for it. Ohga didn't listen to Yayakichi and lost. But the roles of the execution was reversed. Ohga killed Yayakichi. So, there is hope for Kaku after all.
公式アカウントがリツイートしてたけど、鶴のモデルは後漢の学者・郭泰(林宗)で、魏の賈詡や曹操の参謀・郭嘉の影響も受けてるんだって。前回のエピソードで鶴が咳してたの見て、すぐ郭嘉思い出したよ。タイトルは馬謖の処刑を指してるけど、今回の結果は逆だね。馬謖は諸葛亮の言うこと聞かずに負けて、諸葛亮に処刑された。平殿は弥八吉の言うこと聞かずに負けて、弥八吉を処刑した。役割が逆転してる。だから鶴にはまだ希望があるかもな。普通くん
TheIronSheikh00
Thanks for the sauce!
ソースサンクスや!2ちゃん
rossocenere
You’re amazing! Thanks for this.
ありがとう!君すごいわ。感謝してるよ。普通くん
Jacob-C
Yayakichi being crucified while taking the blame for Wajima and Seii’s sins seems like very deliberate Christ symbolism, too. A bit on the nose, but there nonetheless.
ヤヤキチが輪島と聖夷の罪を背負って磔になるの、めっちゃキリストの象徴っぽくねw ちょっと露骨だけど確かにそうだわ笑wwwおじ
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
Another episode that went by in a flash. What's up with all these 10 minute-short episodes 😭 The stan-off between Kaku and Yayakichi--fanboying for their respective beloved commanders was truly eye-popping. I just love how their glasses represented their fates: Kaku's remained intact which would suggest he's still amongst the living, tho he may not be long for this world and is powerless to do anything about it; while Yayakichi's deformed specs, in contrast, all but sealed his end--albeit of his own design/choosing. Another detail worth noting was the entire episode being shot during a heavy downpour (sans the final scene with Aoteru). And as someone who loves the rain, it just hits me in the feels hearing all that pitter patter in the background, with the proverbial heavens crying, as if in unison/commiseration with the characters/viewers.
また一瞬で終わったわ…10分尺ばっかで草生える😭 鶴とヤヤキチの推し将軍自慢合戦、マジで目から鱗やったわ。 メガネの扱いで運命を表現してるのガチで芸術点高いンゴ。 鶴のは無傷→生きてはいるけど無力で長くない暗示、 ヤヤキチは歪んでる→自らの選択で死を受け入れる演出。 あと全編大雨の中の撮影(最終シーンの青輝以外)も良かった。 雨音と天が泣いてる演出がキャラや視聴者と共鳴してて、ワイ涙腺崩壊やわ…。2ちゃん
BosuW
I always watch this show with earbuds but it was the right choice especially this episode
わかる!このアニメはイヤホン必須だよね。特に今回の回は音響がエモすぎて泣いたッ!感情くん
Jerry_MP
原文
NOOOOOOO KAKU NOT MY GOAT. PLEASE LET MY GOAT BE OKAY. But considering Seii lost their strategist, I can't see a future where Kaku lives either.... They JUST have to kill off Kaku to let Aoteru shine. Still, really sad though. No more old men yaoi 😢. And speaking of Aoteru, oh my lord they keep edging us with Aoteru. He realized what Kaku meant 3 episodes ago and only now is he getting around to finishing it. The animation and especially the audio this episode felt top tier. Kevin Penkin is fucking cooking HARD.
ちょっと待ってカクが死ぬのかよ…頼むから生きててくれ。でも聖夷が軍師を失った以上、カクが生き残る未来は見えないな…。青輝を輝かせるためにカクを殺さざるを得ないんだろうな。それでもすごく悲しい。もうおじいちゃん同士のBL見れないのかよ😢 あと青輝といえば、毎回毎回焦らしやがって。3話前にカクの言葉の意味に気づいたのに、やっと今実行に移すのかよ。今回の作画と特に音響は最高レベルだった。ケヴィン・ペンキン、ガチで神ってる。普通くん
Neutron_Starrr
Man I had a bad feeling every time he cough, I hope he'll be bedridden and not actually dead.
草、咳するたびにワイも嫌な予感してたわwww 寝たきりで済んでくれ。死ぬのはやめてほしいンゴ……2ちゃん
jaytix1
With all that rain, he might have contracted pneumonia.
やばくね!?あの雨の中じゃ肺炎になっちゃうかもじゃん!まじ心配なんだけど笑ギャル
georgeoswalddannyson
He's also smoker, lung cancer is a possibility
確かに。あいつ喫煙者だし、肺がんの可能性はあり得るな。普通くん
YourmomgoestocolIege
Yeah, they've been very intentional about focusing on when he lights one up. Definitely leaning toward lung cancer
わかる〜!あいつがタバコ吸うシーンめっちゃ強調してるよね笑。まじで肺がんフラグじゃない?やばくね!?ギャル
jaytix1
True, true.
確かに、そうだな。ドライおじ
sukeban
He was coughing the first time he appeared in episode 2, arriving to Osaka on horseback.
ああッ第2話で馬で大阪に到着した時、もう咳してたよな…伏線だったのか。しんどすぎるッ感情くん
jaytix1
Ah, then it might be lung cancer like someone suggested.
ああ、じゃあやっぱ肺がん説が有力ってことかw まじかよwwwwwwおじ
moichispa
He had been coughing for a few episode so it had to going for a while
数話前から咳してたもんな、結構前から進行してたんだろうね普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
Early on I saw death flags for Kaku, it's just a matter of when and how.
序盤から鶴の死亡フラグ立ってたンゴね…問題はいつ、どんな風に死ぬかやろな2ちゃん
TheIronSheikh00
I think it's foreshadowed clearly. Aoteru is the new Kaku and Kaku is the sickly genius he's meant to take over form.
やばくね!?これ伏線しっかり張られてるじゃん!青輝が新しい鶴で、鶴は病気がちな天才って感じで、そのポジションを引き継ぐってことだよね!まじで熱い展開すぎる!ギャル
TroupeMaster
An absolute masterpiece of an episode, how does this show just keep getting better? RIP Yayakichi
まったくもって神回でござるな。この作品、何故これほどまでに磨きがかかるので候か。弥八吉の最期、涙せずにはおれぬ…合掌。武士
Unfair_Category2145
It's not. Yall seriously shut off your brains while watching a show. There was no need for yayakichi to get himself killed. NO NEED. Just because wajima was'nt able to kill ryuumon Besides yayakichi is a great asset as he is the strategist with wisdom and experience. The trade was not worth it. The excution was good but this whole thing felt soo forced.
いや違うよ。みんなアニメ見るとき頭使わなすぎじゃない?八弥吉がわざわざ死ぬ必要なんてなかった。マジで不要だって。輪島が龍門を殺せなかったからってさ。八弥吉は知恵と経験のある軍師で貴重な人材なんだぞ。あの交換は割に合わなかった。演出は良かったけど、この展開すごく無理やりに感じたわ。普通くん
Jxllll
It is a bit forced I agree but I'm not watching a show that makes perfect sense in every single thing. I focus on the beauty of the show and story
確かに無理やりなとこあるけどさ、全部が完璧に理屈通るアニメなんて見てないしな。ワイはこの作品の美しさとストーリーに集中してるンゴwww2ちゃん
TroupeMaster
原文
Idk, feels like you've shut your brain off a little too much while watching. Maybe the doubts around Wajima's leadership after she turned back at the bridge could've been highlighted a little more, but there were other flags set for the looming problems in Seii's forces that culminated in the events of this episode. It was certainly a surprising turn of events but it didn't feel forced to me at all.
ふむ…お主、その視聴姿勢、あまりに脳の力を休めすぎておらぬか?確かに橋で引き返した輪島の指導力への疑念、もう少し強調しても良かったかもしれぬ。しかし、聖夷軍に潜む不穏の兆しは、この回に至るまで幾つも仕込まれていたのだ。驚くべき展開ではあったが、我が目には決して無理筋には映らなかったぞ。中二病
MeepingAndMopping
原文
I mean Yayakichi basically explained it. They’re a dictatorship on the back of her individual authority and gravitas and her failing to kill Ryumon completely kills the legitimacy of their regime because it makes her seem a naive leader. The only other person there who can take the fall for it is Yayakichi exactly because he is such a renowned strategist (ie someone she should trust) and someone the masses can believe would be able to manipulate her. If they dump it on some random it still makes her seem naive because she believed the advice of some random.
なるほど、ヤヤキチがほぼ説明してたな。つまり、あの国は彼女個人の権威とカリスマ性で成り立ってる独裁体制で、龍門を仕留め損なったことで体制の正当性が完全に崩れたんだよ。それが彼女を甘いリーダーに見せちゃうからね。その責任を取れるのはヤヤキチだけだ。彼は有名な策略家で(つまり彼女が信頼すべき相手)、大衆も「彼女を操れるのはあいつだ」と思える存在だから。適当な奴に責任を押し付けたら、それこそ「知らん奴の助言を信じた甘い女」って印象になるだけだしな。普通くん
LargeAngryFish
Smoothbrain alert
おっと、これは脳みそがつるつるでござるな。武士
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
原文
I shed tears for Yayakichi indeed. Let history judge what happened that night in Fukui but if there is one thing that will always remain true, it's that Yayakichi is a loyal man until the end. With Yayakichi dead and Kaku currently indisposed, both sides are lacking in Strategists. It unfortunately doesn't look good for Yamato however, since Ryumon is also down while Wajima rebuilt both her resolve and the military's morale. There is no other way out but for Aoteru's plan with his audience with the Emperor to succeed so they would have a chance in this war. There is also a huge chance that Taira would be there, which would be the first time that him and Aoteru would meet after Saki's death. I do wonder what's going on with Buo now that both Seii and Yamato are at war. It's mentioned that Yayakichi was the one responsible for the non-aggression pact between Seii and Buo, but with him dead the fate of that pact is currently uncertain.
弥七には泣かされたわ……福井の夜の真相は歴史に委ねるとしても、弥七が最後まで忠義を貫いたことだけは紛れもない事実や。弥七死亡&鶴離脱で両軍とも軍師不足。龍門も戦線離脱した今、桜虎が士気と決意を立て直した以上、大和はかなり厳しいンゴねえ……青輝の天皇直訴が成功する以外に道はないやろ。平殿器が同席してたらサキの死後初の対面になるしな。ついでに言うと、聖夷と大和が戦争状態になった今、無相はどう動くんやろ?弥七が無相との不可侵条約を取り仕切ってたって話やけど、奴が死んだ今、条約の行方も不透明やわ。2ちゃん
HarshTheDev
Looks like the youngins will take up the charge. Yayakichi's son for Ohga and Aoteru for Ryumon.
若い連中が旗を掲げる時代みたいだね。矢八吉の息子は平殿器のとこで、青輝は龍門のとこか。普通くん
Cook-Miserable
Yeah I'm really interested but I'm getting the feeling we won't hear about Buo until either the end of the season or the next. Just seems like they want to focus on Seii/Yamato for now.
確かにめっちゃ気になる!でもBuoの話は今シーズンの終わりか次シーズンまで出てこなそうな予感しかしない…今は聖夷と大和に集中したいって感じだよね感情くん
Painting-Repulsive
We will 100% see Buo this season since they appear in the op but ya they will probably be there just to set up for next season.
OPに映ってたし今季中にBuoが出てくるのは間違いないね。でも多分、次シーズンへの布石的な登場になるんじゃないかな。普通くん
Jacob-C
Didn't they already show them in the beginning of the season? When Ryumon and his elite soldiers climbed the bridge and shot their military leaders.
冒頭で龍門と精鋭部隊が橋を渡って軍上層部を狙撃したシーン、既に今期の最初にやってたやんwww 見逃したのか?2ちゃん
Painting-Repulsive
Oh ya you are right but ig they will appear again since we didn’t see the main guy
あ、確かにそうじゃん!でもメインのあいつまだ出てきてないし、また出てくるんじゃね?笑ギャル
saga999
原文
The three kingdoms stand off exist because when one attacks another, it leaves them both vulnerable to be attacked by the 3rd. I can almost guarantee Buo will attack in the end. It's just a matter of whom. Seii went all out in this, banking on the non-aggression pact to hold. Yamato has more sense than leaving themselves open to Buo. My guess is Seii is fucked. I mean, what's going to happen if Buo broke the pact, Seii will be pissed off and go to war against Buo? Yamato will distrust Buo and not form any agreement with Buo? So there are literally no repercussions.
三國がにらみ合いを続けているのは、一方が攻めれば他方に隙が生まれ、第三国に狙われる構図があるからだ。最終的に夷が攻め込むのはほぼ確実だな。問題は誰を標的にするかだが。聖夷は今回全力を出し切り、不可侵条約が守られる前提で動いている。大和は夷に隙を見せるほど愚かじゃない。俺の予想では聖夷は詰んでる。条約を破ったところで、聖夷が怒って夷と戦争するのか?大和が夷を信用しなくなって協定を結ばなくなるだけだろ?実質的な制裁は何もないんだ。考察くん
ShzMeteor
Not a good day for strategists it seems.
やばくね!?策士たちにとっては散々な日だったみたいじゃん笑ギャル
photoxnurse
This made me both laugh and cry at the same time
笑いと涙が同時に来たわ。普通くん
PeaceAlien
Shows the diplomacy of war well, enjoying this one.
わかるッ!戦争の駆け引きがめっちゃ上手く描かれててエモすぎる。このアニメ優勝だわ!感情くん
apgp123
they really make both sides really good and interesting RIP yayakichi
両陣営ともしっかり魅力的に描かれててガチで草 弥八吉はマジで惜しいキャラやったンゴ…RIP2ちゃん
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
One balding ojisan with massive brass balls and a tea set has single-handedly destroyed morale in the Seii army, sowed discontent, and as a result forced Commander Wajima to execute her most trusted and loyal strategist in a plan that man concocted to restore order and trust in Wajima. Talk about dealing your enemy a heavy blow. Wajima may be more determined than ever, but the fact remains she’s just lost her right hand. Ryumon couldn’t have planned for a better outcome. What a legend. In the end though, I don’t think Yayakichi’s sacrifice is going to matter. This isn’t Wajima’s story. It’s Aoteru’s. I think he’s going to help win this war for Yamato. His star is going to rise and he’ll be one step closer to his goal of reunifying the country.
頭ハゲたおっさんが茶器と度胸だけで聖夷軍の士気をズタズタにして、内部に不満を撒き散らし、結果的に桜虎に最も信頼していた軍師を処刑させたんだぜ。しかもその計画は元々味方の結束を取り戻すためのものだったっていうのに。まさに敵に大打撃を与えるとはこのことだな。桜虎は前より決意固めてるだろうけど、右腕を失った事実は変わらない。龍門にとってこれ以上の結果はないだろう。マジで伝説級だわ。でも結局ヤヤキチの犠牲は意味をなさないと思うんだよね。これは桜虎の物語じゃない。青輝の物語だ。彼が大和のためにこの戦争を勝ち抜くと思う。彼の評価は上がって、国を統一する目標にまた一歩近づくんだろうな。普通くん
Confuzn
you do NOT interrupt ojisan's tea party. i fucking love this show
やばくね!?おじさんのティーパーティーを邪魔しちゃダメじゃん笑 このアニメまじで好きなんだけど!ギャル
Namaryu
Guys. Rememember that scene episode earlier when Wajima killed a snake during training? What if that was foreshadowing for laying down Yayakichi who pretended to be a snake in order to rally the morale once more. Probably not but I can't not see it that way.
おいおいおいマジかよ。あの蛇殺しのシーン、輪島桜虎が訓練中に蛇ぶったヤヤキチを倒す伏線だったってこと?士気上げるためにわざと蛇のふりしてたって解釈、ワイの中でガチでアリやわ。多分違うンゴけど、もうそうとしか見えへんわwww2ちゃん
a1oner_bvcksn6
No, you can't credit Ohga for that one. What you're suggesting is practically a huge disservice to Yayakichi's sacrifice. Sure, Ohga dealt the finishing blow, but Yayakichi forced her hand (and held it at the same time) which was the only reason it was made possible at all. I wrote my take on it in the previous episode thread and you can read it here , if you're interested.
いや、それは平殿器の手柄にはできないよ。それだと弥吉の犠牲が台無しだ。確かにとどめを刺したのは平殿器だけど、弥吉が彼女の手を封じたからこそ可能になったんだ。前回のスレで俺の考察書いたから、興味あったら読んでみて。普通くん
Namaryu
You're right
せやな、お前の言う通りやわ2ちゃん
IntelligentLow1931
In a way, I think the snake and Yayakichi are somehow related.
なるほど、蛇と弥八吉ってなんか関係ありそうだよね。普通くん
Chrono-Helix
It’s interesting that both sides have people speaking about “heaven”, “the land” and “the people”. And yet they must fight each other…
やばくね!?両陣営とも「天」「地」「民」って同じこと言ってるのに、戦わなきゃいけないってのが切なすぎるじゃん…!ギャル
BosuW
原文
That's why I'm thinking there's a possibility that the young generation joins hands or at least cooperates for a little bit even if they find themselves in opposition right now. Ohga's idea of Yamato is that under Denki Taira, which is super corrupt and a danger to the nation. The irony is that in her search to destroy that demon, she finds herself fighting the only faction opposing him domestically. If she can become aware of this fact, plans may change...
なるほど、若い世代が今は対立してても一時的に手を組む可能性はあるかもね。平殿器の下での大和は超腐敗してて国にとって危険だっていうのが桜虎の考え方。皮肉なのは、その悪魔を倒そうとした結果、国内で唯一それに対抗してる派閥と戦ってることだよな。これに気づけば計画も変わるかも。普通くん
Jacob-C
Ohga invaded without a proper declaration iirc. Her soldiers are also slaughtering and graping civilians. Yamato's population is probably FURIOUS right now. I don't really see peace being an option at this point.
確かに平殿器は明確な宣戦布告なしに侵攻した上で、兵士による民間人への虐殺や暴行も行われている。大和国の民衆は今まさに激怒しているはずだ。この状況では和平は選択肢として成立しないという考察ができる。考察くん
BosuW
Well that's why I didn't explicitly say "peace" did I? But regardless of what bad blood there is and will be between Yamato and Sei, the fact remains that getting rid of Taira/making Taira pay is both Ohga's and the Yamato army's goal. If either side ever discovers this, it would be stupid to not take it into consideration.
まあだからこそ、俺ははっきりと「平和」とは言わなかったんだよな。大和と聖夷の間にどんな因縁があろうと、平を排除する/代償を払わせるってのは、平殿器も大和軍も同じ目標だって事実は変わらない。どっちかがこの事実に気づいたら、考慮しないのはバカだと思うね。普通くん
Jacob-C
Ohga's personal reason for invading is to kill Ryumon and avenge her father. No one in Yamato except for Taira and his loyalists will let that happen. Aoteru might try to convince her but she seems almost religious in her quest for revenge.
平殿器の侵攻理由って龍門殺して父ちゃんの仇討ちってやつか。大和じゃタイラとその信者以外誰も許さへんやろ。青輝が説得しようとするかもしれんけど、あの女ほぼ信仰レベルで復讐に取り憑かれてるンゴwww2ちゃん
AvatarTuner
I don't think Ryumon will be able to escape death until the end because the trend so far seems to be getting the younger generation to take over eventually. Regardless if Ryumon dies or not, I suspect Ohga's revenge will be either left unfulfilled or it will leave her unfulfilled. I think that third nation will make a move sooner or later too and the Taira issue will be put on hold again for now.
龍門の死は避けられないと見ている。というのも、これまでの流れを見る限り、最終的には若い世代が台頭する方向に持っていくのが作品の意図だと思われるからだ。龍門が死ぬかどうかは別として、平殿器の復讐は成就しないか、成就しても彼女に虚しさだけを残す展開になるのではないか。第三国(聖夷国)も遅かれ早かれ動き出すだろうし、平殿器問題はまた棚上げになる可能性が高いと考察できる。考察くん
jooki997
After the last episode, I was betting Yayakichi would betray her, but I didn't think the "betrayal" would take this form. This anime really has some badass old men
最終話見てさ、弥八が裏切るのは予想してたけど、まさかこんな形の「裏切り」が来るとは思わなかったよ。このアニメ、ホントにカッコいい爺さん揃いだな普通くん
teerre
Another incredible episode One thing that jumps out to me is that this show has quite a bit of still ish frames, but because they are used tastefully it actually works great
今回も神回やったな アニメーションに関しては静止画っぽいカットが多いんやけど、使い方が上手いから逆に良く見えるわ 草2ちゃん
rockinalex07021
There's also a lot of dialogue so stillframes are unavoidable, they are also very well executed
確かに会話劇が多いから静止画も多いけど、その分クオリティ高いよね普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
原文
I was not expecting this to be the direction things were going to go for Seii's army after what happened last episode. Yayakichi was loyal to the very end, so much that he took on the role of traitor to restore Wajima's authority. I'm sure most of the commanders knew, but it's too bad there were some looking for his downfall.  I feel most bad for his two sons, especially the one that had to push for his death. Having to say those things about your father even though you know his intentions must have been really difficult. Seii is going to become an even more united army with this event.  Kaku running back to Ryuumon was so sweet, he has looked so stressed and worn out, add the worry of Ryuumon's safety, I'm sure it was a big relief to see Ryuumon alive and well. It's just too bad his own health seems to have taken a bigger hit, I'm not sure if he'll be able to come up with strategies at his full potential because I'm sure he won't let himself rest. This isn't a good episode for strategists.
前回の展開から聖夷軍がこんな方向にいくとは思わんかったわ。弥八吉は最期まで忠誠尽くしよったな、桜虎の権威回復のために裏切り者の役まで引き受けるとは。将連中はほとんど気づいてたやろうけど、奴の失脚を狙っとる連中もおったんが残念や。 一番可哀想なのは二人の息子やな、特に父親の処刑を推し進めなあかんかった方。父親の真意を知りながらあんなこと言わなあかんのはガチでキツかったやろ。この一件で聖夷軍はもっと結束固めるやろな。 鶴が龍門のとこに走って戻ってきたシーンは泣けたわ。あんだけストレス溜めてボロボロやったのに、龍門の無事を確認してホッとしたんやろな。ただ自分の体の方はもっとやられてそうやし、休むわけないからフルパワーで策を練れるかは怪しい。軍師にとっては地獄の回やったな。2ちゃん
i_eat_pidgeons
Kaku probably has tuberculosis or something like that, right?
鶴って結核か何か患ってる感じだよな?普通くん
ElliotAlderson2024
Yeah probably.
確かにそうかもな。感情くん
Jacob-C
"I got TB. I got it... beating a man... to death... for a few bucks"
「結核になったんだよ…数ドルのために…人を…撲殺してさ」普通くん
xdxdlol0434
原文
You know, there was a lot of talks comparing Yamato and Seii for a while. When compared to Taira clan, Wajima appears a much more benevolent ruler who cares about her people. But what this episode shows that as long as they are dictators, they will eventually be coerced to do dictator things and keep being dictators. It does not matter how much they love (genuinely) their pupils. If it suits them, they are incentivized to sacrifice them even if it means innocent blood sheds. Perhaps the rule of a benevolent king will be better than that of the reign of terror; but does that really bring forward what is necessary to restore a pre nuclear war order? If what Saki asks of Misumi is anything similar to the era of wedding dresses, then his dream shall be much, much higher than what is shown this episode.
確かに、これまで大和と聖夷を比較する議論が多かったが、今回のエピソードで本質が明らかになったな。輪島桜虎は平家と比べれば民を思う慈悲深い統治者に見える。しかし独裁者である以上、いずれ独裁的な行動を強いられる構造から逃れられないという考察ができる。彼女が弟子たちに本心から愛情を抱いていようと、都合が良ければ無実の血を流すことも厭わない。仁君の支配は恐怖政治よりマシかもしれないが、それで本当に核戦争前の秩序回復に必要なものを前進させられるのか?もし光英が三角に求めるものがウェディングドレス時代の何かと類似しているなら、彼の志は今回描かれた次元をはるかに超えるものになるはずだ。考察くん
BosuW
The one who governs is not the King, but the Crown, and it demands only two things: for the King to protect his power, and for the King to increase his power.
統治してるのは王じゃなくて王冠そのものだよな。王冠が求めるのはただ二つだけ、王が権力を守ることと、王が権力を拡大することだけ。普通くん
Jacob-C
原文
Ohga's faults are not just in her having to do dictator things. Her invasion is first and foremost based on revenge. While she has succesfully rallied her nation behind her, she is very emotionally driven and naive. I can't see many longterm positive outcomes of her being the one to unify Japan. Not because she's a dictator, but because of her childish and superficial reasoning for starting a full-scale war. If I trust anyone other than Ryumon and Kaku to unify the country, bring about reforms that benefit the people and to rule with justice if they don't bring back democracy, it's Aoteru. I'm not just sayin that because Aoteru is the MC. He is easily the most levelheaded and competent person with a good heart in the show, alongside Ryumon and Kaku.
桜虎の欠点は独裁者やってることだけじゃないンゴわ。侵略の動機がまず復讐ベースやしな。国をまとめることには成功しとるけど、感情に流されまくりで甘すぎるわ。統一の長期ポジティブな未来が見えへん。独裁者ってより、全面戦争始める理由が子供じみてて浅はかやからや。龍門と鶴以外で国を統一して民のための改革して、民主主義戻せんにしても公正に統治できる信頼できる奴は、ワイ的には青輝しかおらん。主人公やから言うてるわけちゃうで。あいつは間違いなく龍門と鶴と並んで、この作品で一番冷静で有能で心優しい男や。2ちゃん
reyxe
Another great episode, damn. Part of me was confident Yayakichi would betray her but nope, sad ending for him. Where's my MC at
マジで今回も最高だったわ…!八弥吉が裏切ると思ってたけど違ったのかよ、悲しすぎる…主人公どこいったんだよッ!感情くん
thisisdropd
Looks like Ryuumon's got competition! Seii also had someone with balls of steel in Yayakichi. He went so far as to frame himself as a snake and plot his own execution just to save the tiger. That's true loyalty. Kaku & Ryuumon's Empty Fort Strategy was only intended to buy the Yamato soldiers time, but neither of them could've foreseen that it would led to Yayakichi's death.
龍門にもライバル現れたな!聖夷の方にもヤイキチって鋼のメンタル持った奴おったやん。自分を蛇に仕立て上げて処刑される筋書き描いてまで虎を救おうとしたんやろ。マジで忠義の塊やわ。鶴と龍門の空城の計は大和兵の時間稼ぎが目的やったけど、まさかヤイキチ死ぬとは誰も予想できへんかったやろな。2ちゃん
chariotcharizard
Kinda crazy that all of this took place within a single night. The way the letter scene was directed, it felt more like a couple of days had passed while they were circulating the letters and causing outrage, not just mere hours.
確かに全部が一晩で起きたってのがすごいよな。手紙のシーンの演出だと、あの手紙が回覧されて騒動になるまで数日かかったように感じたけど、実際はたった数時間だったんだな。普通くん
Ev1l_guy
What was the song used for this EP it was too good?
このEPの曲めっちゃ良かったんだけど、何使われてたの!?ギャル
moichispa
It's not rare to get a few vocal tracks on Kevin Penkin osts, you can check his twitter to see when it comes out (soon hopefully)
ケヴィン・ペンキンのサントラにボーカル曲が何曲か入ってるのは珍しくないよ。彼のツイッターでリリース日をチェックしてみて(早く出てほしいな)普通くん
UnloadedFour314
This show does an excellent job in making you sympathize with each side of the conflict. Also, both sides have taken a huge hit this episode, but Aoteru's gamble could change the game. I'm excited to see how they wrap things up.
この作品は、対立する両陣営それぞれに共感させる構成が秀逸だな。今回のエピソードで両サイドとも大きな打撃を受けたが、青輝の賭けが局面を変える可能性がある。終盤に向けてどう収束させるのか、非常に楽しみだという考察ができる。考察くん
ThunderFlash47
Damn, I wasn't expecting to feel this bad for someone opposing the MC... I was a bit annoyed that we could barely see our MC since the test, but the way they let us get to know the other characters and see them shine, I really can't complain. I'm really sad that there's only 3 episodes left though... Who knows when we'll get season two...
主人公の敵対側のキャラにここまで感情移入するとは思わなかった…試験以降、主人公の出番が少なくてちょっとイライラしてたけど、他のキャラを掘り下げて輝かせる形には文句言えないな。残り3話しかないのが本当に寂しい…シーズン2がいつ来るか分からないしな…普通くん
Shimmering-Sky
原文
Ah, so they know there weren’t actually any soldiers now. …is Kaku sick? Fucking madlad, this would be how Ryumon makes his return. Ah fuck… Oh damn… But will you make it out of this position with your life… Oh he is going all-in on making sure everyone thinks he betrayed Ohga. Yeah… Damn, that could not be easy to do. It’s a terrible day for rain. Shimmering sky! Can’t wait to see what Aoteru’s been planning.
あー、つまり実際には兵士なんていなかったってわけか… 鶴、病気なんか? マジで狂ってるわwww これが龍門のカムバックってわけか。 あークソ… おいマジかよ… でもこの状況から生きて脱出できるんか…? 平殿器を裏切ったって全員に思わせるために全力やな。 うわ… そんなの簡単じゃないやろな。 雨が降るにはいい日だな。空がキラキラしてるわ。 青輝が何を企んでるのか楽しみやわ。2ちゃん
sansisness_101
calls yamato corrupt, after immediately promoting yayakichi's son. what did ohga mean by this?
え、平殿器がヤヤキチの息子を即昇進させた後に大和は腐敗してるって言ったの?それってまじで何が言いたいんだろ笑ギャル
BosuW
Tbf in their context that's not necessarily corruption. He is of age to take the position and has presumably been raised to do exactly that from birth. Which are I feel relevant differences from for example Tonotsugu's case.
確かにその時代背景なら必ずしも汚職とは言えないかもね。彼はその地位に就く年齢だし、生まれた時からそうなるように育てられてきたんだろうし。例えばトノツグのケースとは明確に違う点だと思う。普通くん
Cook-Miserable
Wow that insert track was great, very much in the vein of Radiohead. I need the soundtrack for this show now!
挿入歌やばすぎやろwww 完全にRadiohead系やん。サントラマジで欲しいンゴ!2ちゃん
Sant268
I thought Yayakichi would pull off a Longzhong Plan-esque grand strat to involve the third country, but this works to solidify Wajima's authority I- guess. Hopefully his son would be good up against Misumi who is - probably going to deliver the best monologue we've seen till now cause it's building up since 3 episodes.
確かに、矢八吉が第三国を巻き込む隆中対的な大戦略を展開するかと思いきや、輪島の権威を固める方向に収まったな。ただ、息子が三角と対峙する展開は興味深い。三角の独白は3話前から積み上げられてきた伏線が回収されるはずで、これまでで最高の名シーンになるという考察ができる。考察くん
ImperialDane
Well that was quite the episode. Someone had to pay the price for the retreat in last episode. And that was Yayakichi after setting himself up as the scapegoat. Leaving the poor commander in Chief to have to kill him herself. Quite brutal. And things are not looking good for Kaku either. Next episode is going to be quite interesting. Curious to see what will happen there.
草、今回もやばかったな 前回の撤退のツケを払わされたわけか 弥八が自らスケープゴートになって、総司令官に自ら殺させるってガチでエグいやん 鶴の方もヤバそうだし 次回どうなるかマジで気になるわ2ちゃん
RehabCenterInc
Found myself literally saying “wow” out loud at the moments here. Incredible episode
このエピソード、思わず声出して「わあ」って言っちゃったわ。マジで凄かった。普通くん
bryan792
man, they got me crying for the "enemy"
泣いた。敵側でこんなに泣かされるとは思わなかったッ!しんどすぎる…感情くん
Beautiful-Squash-734
I am more sad for that random guard that got cooked for yayakichi's plan to work😭my guy was just doing his job and had to be sacrificed for this(utilitarianism?kaku talks about it in this episode too) Also at the end they mentioned yayakichi actually killed ohga's brothers, it's making it hard for me to interpret how their relationship was then exactly Also love to see ohga facing the consequences
八八吉の計画の為に焼かれたあの警備員、ただの仕事してただけなのに犠牲になっちゃったのが本当に悲しいよな…(功利主義?この話で鶴も言及してたしな)。あと最後に、八八吉が実は平殿器の兄弟を殺してたって明かされたけど、これで二人の関係性がますます解釈難しくなったな。平殿器がその報いを受ける展開は感慨深い。考察くん
matdragon
Honestly every episode is top tier so far. This episode was great. The only bit of comedy was the hand puppet thing and it made sense for when it was needed. Gotta love how well the team directed the episode, they know when to keep serious parts serious and funny parts funny
正直どの話も今のところ全部最高レベルだね。今回もよかった。ギャグは手人形くらいだったけど、必要な場面でちゃんと機能してた。チームの演出がうまくて、シリアスな場面は引き締めて、笑えるとこは笑わせるってのが完璧。普通くん
DaysAreTimeless
Does anyone know what was the song that was played at the end? It sounded pretty good but song recognition apps seem to not pick up on it.
あのラストの曲知ってる人おる? めっちゃ良かったンゴけど、曲認識アプリが全く反応せんのやが…2ちゃん
Silence_and_i
The OST will probably be released months after the series ends.
OSTはシリーズ終了後、数ヶ月経ってからリリースされるっぽいね。普通くん
BosuW
RIP Yayakichi he was a real one to the end O7
ヤヤキチ逝ったか…最後まで漢やったわ O7 マジで泣けるンゴ2ちゃん
StonedCharmander
Underrated series. Great characters, unique animation, good pace. Everything looks nice.
「控えめに言って優勝。キャラも個性爆発してるし、アニメーションも独特で最高。テンポも良くて全部が美しすぎるッ!」感情くん
2kenzhe
原文
I guess it was necessary but really such a massive loss for Seii to lose Yayakichi already. Ryuumon's gamble really yielded great results. Fitting for his high price of life. Gambling the dragon, we shook the tiger's authority and they had to sacrifice their right hand to regain it. Now next ep finally back to Aoteru? Yamato managed to keep Ryuumon but did we just lose kaku as well? Every time he coughs I worry ngl. Maybe he's just out of commission?
確かにヤヤキチを失ったのは聖夷にとって大きな痛手だったが、龍門の賭けは見事に功を奏したな。彼の高い代償に見合う結果だと言える。龍を賭けて虎の権威を揺るがし、相手はそれを取り戻すために右腕を犠牲にせざるを得なかったわけだ。さて次話でようやく青輝に話が戻るのか?大和国は龍門を維持できたが、今度は鶴も失った可能性がある?彼が咳をするたびに心配になるんだが…もしかすると一時的な戦線離脱に過ぎないのかもしれない。考察くん
Vegetable_Leg6663
I cried myself an ocean
涙が止まらなかったよ…海みたいに泣いた普通くん
RevolutionaryEye2755
原文
Ryuumon Aura'd so hard Yayakichi died. Fucking insane man. Rip Yayakichi. And I really hope our strategist is ok. I knew he was sick because he kept coughing and looked worse each time we saw him. He especially looked REALLY bad this episode, and him losing consciousness checks out. Things ain't lookin to good! WE NEED OUR MC IN ACTION NOW!!!! Edit: Wait, I just realized something. Thinking back, maybe that's why Yayakichi made that face when she retreated. He knew from the moment she backed away he'd have to sacrifice himself and take the blame because he knew what was to come. Damn.
龍門のオーラやべえわ。弥吉死んでもうたやん…マジで狂ってる。弥吉に合掌。軍師の鶴も無事でいてくれ。毎回咳してて顔色悪かったし、今回ガチでヤバそうだったンゴ。意識失うのも納得。全然いい流れじゃねえ!主人公早く出てこいや!!! 追記:待って、よく考えたら弥吉が撤退した時のあの顔、そういうことか。鶴が後退した時点で自分が犠牲になるの分かってたんやな…責任取って。くっそ…2ちゃん
ElliotAlderson2024
These last several episodes have been great for developing wajima. When we first see her 5 or so episodes ago, she's this face tattooed bad-ass who is probably going to be an all conquering Japanese Amazon or something. But she's flawed, she's inexperienced, she makes big mistakes. It's gratifying to see some realism considering her age.
ここ数話で輪島の掘り下げが良かったな。最初に登場した時は顔に刺青入れた強キャラで、まるで日本版アマゾネス戦士みたいな印象だったけど、実際は未熟で大きなミスもする。年齢考えたらリアリティがあって良かった。普通くん
KingDreezy_
I feel like this episode marks the fall of the old strategists (kaku and yayakichi) and the rise of the new ones (aoteru and yaykichis son)
鶴と弥耶吉みたいな旧世代の軍師が退場して、青輝と弥耶吉の息子みたいな新世代が台頭してきたって感じやな。時代の変わり目ってやつやろな。2ちゃん
saga999
原文
There is no way to prove this, but my theory is Ohga intended to throw Yayakichi under the bus to save herself. She just didn't expect him to go all the way and ended up having to die for it. So her tears were real because she thought he would take the blame and quit instead. If he hadn't kill anyone and rebel at the end, that's exactly what would happen. Here's why I thought this. Whenever the scene shows Ohga with her smile and the background turned all bright or some other effects, I believe that's a tell from the show that she is using her charm to manipulate people. They always shows the effect of people being charmed by her afterward. It happened all the time and it happened in her talk with Yayakichi. She knew she needed to get things back on track. She knew someone has to be scapegoated because it's simply impossible to lose this bad and no one gets blamed. But she needed someone willing to do it and she needed to maintain her image. So she cannot just ask someone to take the blame for her. She needed someone to volunteer without her asking. Keep in mind that she allowed massacre to happen without punishment because she was afraid morale would drop. She is not a righteous person. Because Yayakichi is a father figure to her, she manipulated Yayakichi into dad mode and take the blame for her. Did she acted like a leader in the scene of their talk? No. She was essentially going, "Daddy, I'm so sorry I made this mistake. I don't deserve this role." And Yayakichi is like, "Don't worry sweetie. Daddy will take care of everything." They didn't discuss how to manage this like a leader and strategist should. She acted like a helpless little girl, left the task to him, and she just left the room.
確かに証明は難しいが、平殿器は八百吉を身代わりにしようと意図していたという考察ができる。彼女が想定していなかったのは、彼がそこまでやり遂げてしまい、結果的に死ななければならなくなったことだ。だから彼女の涙は本物だった——彼なら責任を取って辞任すると思っていたからだ。もし彼が最後に誰も殺さず反乱も起こさなければ、まさにそうなっていただろう。 その根拠として、平殿器が笑顔を浮かべると背景が明るくなる演出がある。これは彼女が魅力で人を操っていることを示す伏線だと思われる。その後、必ず誰かが魅了される描写が入る。彼女と八百吉の会話でもそれが起きている。 彼女は事態を収拾する必要があり、誰かがスケープゴートになるのは不可避と理解していた。しかし自ら依頼すればイメージが損なわれる。だから自発的に名乗り出るよう仕向けた。彼女が虐殺を罰せず放置したことからも、正義の人ではないと分かる。八百吉を父親的存在として利用し、娘モードに誘導して責任を取らせた。 あの会話シーン、彼女はリーダーとして振る舞ったか?全然違う。本質的に「パパ、ごめんね私が間違えたの。この役割は私には不相応だわ」と泣きつき、八百吉は「大丈夫だよベイビー。パパが何とかするから」と応じる構図。リーダーと軍師なら戦略を話し合うべき場面で、彼女は無力な少女を演じ考察くん
Unknown0310_
What you re saying is very interesting and i found myself thinking "the animators made her very pretty in the dialogue with Yayakichi". Plus, its not the first time she used her appeal to manipulate people. We need to keep in mind that she started this war for pure revenge. Till she reveals her true intent, I will also keep suspecting her.
君の言う通りすごく興味深いな。弥八との会話シーン、アニメーターが彼女をすごく綺麗に描いてたと思う。それに、彼女が自分の魅力で人を操るのは初めてじゃないしね。この戦争を始めたのは純粋な復讐のためってことを忘れちゃいけない。本当の意図を明かすまでは、俺も彼女を疑い続けるよ。普通くん
szalhi
Wajima's Martyr. Apparently this show likes tying up old men.
わじまの殉教者ってやつね。このアニメ、じいさん縛るの好きすぎじゃない?笑ギャル
RyouBestGirl
Author's barely disguised fetish.
作者の性癖がダダ漏れだな。普通くん
runevault
原文
That profile shot of Wajima's face before the OP started was stunning. And then you get Ryumon aura farming in a stretcher. "Hey" lol good lord man. "I'm not dying you know." I'm not so sure about that old man... The facial close ups after the 'assassination attempt' are gorgeous. This show really does go all out visually. Crucifixion? I get she's forced to kill him but that seems like too much. And next week we get to see a confrontation with the Emperor (and likely Taira).
輪島の顔のアップ、OP前のあれガチでエグいな。んで龍門が担架でオーラ撒き散らして「おい」とか言うの草。「ワシは死なんぞ」って…本当かよオッサン…暗殺未遂後の顔のクローズアップ作画やばすぎやろ。このアニメマジでビジュアルに金かけてるわ。磔って…殺させられてるのは分かるけど流石にやりすぎやん。来週は天皇(と多分平)との対決か。2ちゃん
IntelligentLow1931
The Tiger will be the demise of the Sheep that follow her.
あの虎の女に従う羊たちは、結局自滅するだけだと思う。普通くん
Connect_Advantage_42
The animation is could be better but the story is hella interesting
確かに作画はもうちょい頑張ってほしいとこあるけどな、ストーリーがガチで面白いわこれwww2ちゃん
chum-guzzling-shark
I thought wajima might have ulterior motives but this episode proves she's trying to do the right thing and her actions aren't necessarily 4d chess manipulation tactics. It's interesting the "good guys" are ruled by a coward emperor controlled by an evil wyrmtongue and the "bad guys" have relatively pure motives
輪島には裏の意図があると思ってたけど、今回のエピソードで彼女が正しいことをしようとしているのが証明されたな。彼女の行動が必ずしも四次元チェスのような策略操作ではないというのは興味深い。いわゆる「善玉」側が臆病な皇帝に操られていて、悪役じみたワームタンに牛耳られている一方で、「悪玉」側が比較的純粋な動機を持っている構図は、制作陣が意図的に善悪の境界を曖昧にしていると考察できる。考察くん
RevolutionaryEye2755
Forgot to mention. The soundtrack this episode was GOOD!!!! It'd be nice if I knew were to find it......
今回のサントラ良すぎるッ!!どこで見つけられるか教えてくれ~~!!感情くん
AZLarlar
the insert track!!
挿入歌がやばい!!普通くん
PencilgonGiveIt2Ya
NOW BOTH SIDES HAVE NO STRATEGY ༼;´༎ຶ ۝ ༎ຶ༽
マジで両陣営とも作戦ゼロじゃん泣༼;´༎ຶ ۝ ༎ຶ༽ギャル
Gold-Worth-2809
if only she had killed on that bridge..
あの橋で始末しとけばよかったのにな…2ちゃん
Nachtwandler_FS
Damn, I hope Kaku and Ryuumon won't die. They already killed a bunch of goid characters. Oh, and Aoteru still did not make his move. I wonder will he next episode?
鶴と龍門が死なないでほしいな…もういいキャラ何人も死んでるし。あと青輝がまだ動いてないんだよな。次回やるのかな?普通くん
No_Orange9639
where can i get the ost and the song that was in the last part of the song?
OSTと最後の曲どこで手に入るんだよッ!教えてくれマジで!!感情くん
kimjosh1
原文
As I was saying before, this is just an incredible, aspirational run that Amazon MGM Studios is experiencing this year. Amazing to see their films and shows (like this one that they co-produced and funded, instead of licensed) get this much critical and/or commercial acclaim over the past few months. Genuinely feels like they could become a serious threat to competing studios if they keep up this quality.
前に言った通り、Amazon MGM Studiosの今年の勢いがすごいよな。この作品みたいにライセンスじゃなくて共同制作・出資した作品が、ここ数ヶ月で批評的にも商業的にも評価されてるのすごいじゃん。このクオリティを維持できれば、競合スタジオにとって本当に脅威になるかもね。普通くん
scarlet_lovah
What are some of the other ones? I’m so impressed with Nippon Sangoku that I want to check some of the other animes out.
「他にどんなのがあるの?日本三國ヤバすぎて感動したから他のアニメも見てみたいんだよなッ!」感情くん
kimjosh1
Films and shows that came out or yet to come out but are promising like Project Hail Mary, Sheep Detectives, Masters of the Universe, Crime 101, Is God Is, How to Rob A Bank, Spider-Noir so far. Every single one of these funded and produced by Amazon MGM like this anime. Don't think the upcoming Ghost in the Shell is directly produced by Amazon though, since it looks like they just licensed that.
アマゾンMGMがこのアニメと同様に資金提供・制作した作品として、『プロジェクト・ヘイル・メアリー』『羊探偵団』『マスターズ・オブ・ザ・ユニバース』『クライム101』『イズ・ゴッド・イズ』『銀行強盗の方法』『スパイダー・ノワール』などが現在または今後公開予定で、どれも期待できる。ただ、次回作の『攻殻機動隊』はアマゾンが直接制作したわけではなく、ライセンス契約だけのようだという考察ができる。考察くん
Haise01
I love how heavy the consequences are in this show
このアニメ、結果の重みがやばすぎて好きなんだけど!ギャル
Putkayy
原文
I'm kind of surprised so many people sympathized with Yayakichi. The series has an overall melodramatic tone which I've enjoyed so far, but it felt a tad bit extra this episode. I thought the emotional scenes were played up a little too much. Maybe I just don't have any attachment to Yayakichi's character and I'm struggling to think of an episode or scene where the rest of you guys might've developed that. Also, engagement bait to end the last episode with Aoteru heading to the palace for whatever it is they're building towards only to shoehorn forced drama in between. I'm hoping Seii losing their strategist is somehow relevant to Aoteru's negotiations or whatever with Taira, otherwise they could've easily rearranged the episodes to show this episode after or before showing Aoteru's realization and/or approach to Taira.
八弥吉にそこまで共感できる人が多いの意外だな。今まではメロドラマ的な雰囲気も楽しめてたんだけど、今回のエピソードはちょっとやりすぎ感あったわ。感動シーンが少し誇張されすぎてる気がする。単に俺が八弥吉に愛着ないだけかもしれないけど、みんながどうやってそこまで感情移入したのかわからないんだよな。あと、最終回で青輝が宮中に向かうシーンで引きを作ったのに、その間に無理やりドラマをねじ込んだのも気になる。聖夷が軍師を失ったことが青輝の平殿器との交渉とかにどう繋がるのか次第だな。そうじゃなきゃ、このエピソードは青輝の決意とか平殿器への接近の前か後に持ってくるべきだったと思う。普通くん
Limp_Mammoth_816
原文
Where is the shrine of the Prime Minister to be found? Outside the town of Brocade, cypresses grow all around. Before the steps, spring grass grows green, but all in vain; Among the leaves, the orioles sing a sweet refrain. Thrice to his cot the king went for the empire's sake; For two reigns the old minister a great state did make. But ere his aim was won, he died, his campaigns past; This always makes all heroes weep with tears at last.
この詩、まさに平殿器を暗示していると考察できる。内務卿として二つの政権を支えた老臣という点で、まさに諸葛亮を彷彿とさせる存在だ。しかし「志半ばで没する」という部分が、彼の結末を予見している可能性が高い。制作陣はこの詩を引用することで、彼が泰平の世の完成を見ることなく散る運命を示唆していると思われる。考察くん
LargeAngryFish
9 episodes with monotonically increasing quality is insane.
9話連続でクオリティ上がりっぱなしなのやばすぎるだろ普通くん
Dalaa_A
原文
In Christian theology, before the crucifixion of Christ, the cross was considered merely an instrument of execution. Afterward, it became a symbol of sacrifice for all – I am ready to die for you, not to kill you. The author chose the crucifixion to show that the strategist Yayakichi He sacrificed himself for his nation. In Christianity, the Prophet Jesus (the Messiah in their belief) was crucified and sacrificed himself to atone for the sins of humanity. As a Muslim, I know that the truth is that the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, was not crucified, but rather appeared to them in a vision. This is clearly stated in the verses of the Holy Quran.
キリスト教神学の観点から見ると、十字架は本来処刑具に過ぎなかったが、キリストの磔刑後には「我は汝のために死ぬ、汝を殺すために非ず」という究極の犠牲の象徴となった。この作品の作者は、戦略家ヤヤキチが国家のために自己犠牲を果たしたことを示すために、磔刑を選択したと思われる。キリスト教では預言者イエス(彼らの信仰におけるメシア)が人類の罪を贖うために十字架にかけられたとされるが、イスラム教徒である私の立場から言えば、預言者イエス(彼に平安あれ)は実際には磔刑に処されておらず、幻視として現れたに過ぎないというのが真実だ。これは聖クルアーンの御言葉に明確に記されている。考察くん
AhiruTEB
Me sorprende lo parecida que suena la canción de este episodio a "Perfect Day" de Lou Reed. Si bien, no es una copia, posiblemente sea un tributo o inspiración muy cercana.
この回の曲、Lou Reedの"Perfect Day"にめっちゃ似てて草www パクリってわけじゃないけど、オマージュというかインスパイアされすぎやろ2ちゃん
enbyratie
unnecesary drama lfmao
不要なドラマすぎて笑うわ普通くん
Nickthenuker
And so the evacuation continues. Yep. He survived. He fainted? So, what's the plan? Was that all a ruse to get the names of everyone who is against him? No, he's stepping down? Lay seige to the CiC's residence? Ok... What's the plan? Ok...
なるほど、避難が続く中であの場面か。生き延びた上での失神という演出は、むしろ意図的なものだと思われる。平殿器が辞任すると表明した件、これは単なる降伏ではなく、むしろ「苦肉計」の一種と考察できる。つまり、自身に反対する者たちの名前を炙り出すための策略だったのではないか。そして司令官邸への包囲命令……これは離間計を加速させる布石だ。制作陣の意図を読むなら、ここからの展開は「臥薪嘗胆」の精神を体現する青輝の台頭への伏線なんだろうな。考察くん
Useful_Project4898
原文
Well I just got.done crying like a baby. While a big part of me thinks Yakichi's plan is smart and honorable, the other part of me can't get over how quickly he chose to sacrifice himself for the Commander-in-Chief and the rest of Sei. There was no debate and it was the first thing he thought to do. I feel like there could have been a better way, though I'm sure a less dramatic, less interesting one. Political extremists (and religious extremists) really know how to go the extra mile and know when to take one for the team.
さっきまで泣きじゃくってたよ。ヤキチの計画は賢くて立派だと思う反面、総司令官と聖夷国のために自分を犠牲にするって即決したのが辛すぎる。迷いもなく最初に思いついた行動だったんだよね。もっとマシな方法あったんじゃないかって思うけど、ドラマチックじゃなくなってつまらなくなるんだろうな。政治的過激派(と宗教的過激派)はほんとに、一歩先を行く覚悟とチームのために身を引くタイミングを知ってるよな。普通くん
Vundal
This anime is flying under a lot of people's radar, and I think its a shame. I think if a 2nd season comes, it will catch on to the mainstream as a top tier senien work.
このアニメ、ガチで知名度低すぎて草。もったいなさすぎやろ。もし2期来たら間違いなくメジャー級のセイネン作品としてバズるンゴねぇwww2ちゃん
Ytar0
I just know the next episode is gonna be fucking hype.
次回めっちゃアツくなりそうじゃん。普通くん
chirb8
Bro, Yayakichi went to plan Z straight up first
ワイ「弥八、いきなりZ計画かよ」ってなったわ草2ちゃん
Changlee23
原文
I don't know why but i really don't give a damn about Sei and couldn't give a damn about Yayakichi death, what he planned to do was obvious. But yeah i don't know if that because Sei are just hypocrite like Kaku said and start a war just for the leader personal revenge which is foolish in my eyes, i already despise war so if you said me someone start one for his personnal revenge and cause thousand of death, civilian to be rape etc i will not like him at all. Kaku dying or being sick is also predictable for letting the MC shine, i wonder if they will reveal that Kaku got pneumonia or something since he cought since quite some time. Now i expect Sei to be a problem before the MC find a way to turn the situation over because Sei are borderline in a fanatic kind of mind and there is nothing worst than fighting fanatic that doesn't fear death.
なんか俺、青輝に全然興味持てなくて、ヤヤキチの死もどうでもいいんだよね。あいつが何しようとしてたかは明白だったし。でも多分、鶴が言ってたみたいに青輝って偽善者で、指導者の個人的な復讐のために戦争を起こすなんて馬鹿げてると思うんだよ。俺はそもそも戦争が大嫌いだし、個人的な復讐で戦争起こして何千人も死なせたり民間人がレイプされたりする原因を作る奴は絶対好きになれない。鶴が死んだり病気になったりするのも主人公を目立たせるためって読めるし、ずっと咳してたから肺炎とか判明するのかな。次は青輝が問題になって、主人公が形勢逆転する方法を見つける展開を期待してる。っていうのも青輝って狂信的な思考の境地にいるから、死を恐れない狂信者と戦うのが一番厄介なんだよ。普通くん
bushwarblerssong
原文
We don't know Kaku's full opinion on Ouga as he brought up Ouga's motivation for revenge to try to convince the Yamato soliders not to side with her. We do know that the President of Seii was going to surrender his country to Yamato and more specifically to Denki. The people of Seii were already suffering and on the brink due to the lack of food from climate change. At the end of the episode, Ouga is saying that she's not going to allow her people to be controlled by Yamato and doing it to fulfill the wishes of her father and Yayakichi. Ouga's army is also only one part of Seii and not everyone feels the same way as we saw with Seii's original government. Not everyone feels the same way in Ouga's army as we saw with Daikichi and Yasuke. Same goes for Yamato where we know of at least two different factions (Denki vs. anti-Taira).
鶴が平殿器についてどう思ってるかは完全には分からんけどな。あいつは平殿器の復讐心を利用して大和の兵士を説得しようとしてただけやしな。聖夷国大統領は元々、大和、特に平殿器に国を売るつもりやったんやろ。聖夷の民は気候変動で食糧不足に苦しんでたしな。 最終話で桜虎が言ってたのは「民を大和に支配させない」ってことや。それで父親とヤヤキチの遺志を継ごうとしてる。ただ、桜虎の軍も聖夷の一部に過ぎんし、元の政府みたいに全員が同じ考えちゃう。大吉や弥助みたいに違う意見の奴もおるしな。 大和側も平殿器派と反平殿器派で少なくとも2つの派閥があるってのが分かってるわ。2ちゃん
rockinalex07021
"I already despise war", please drop the show lmfao
「もう戦争なんて嫌だ」って言ってる時点で観るのやめた方がいいだろ笑っ感情くん
Putkayy
I don't NOT care about Seii, but I definitely couldn't care about Yayakichi like so many people seem to. Extremely curious what scene(s) or episode led to that.
正直、青輝に興味がないわけじゃないけど、世の中の人があんなに夜八にハマってる感じは全く理解できないな。どのシーンとかエピソードでそうなったのかすごい気になる。普通くん
Hyouryuu-Na
原文
From my anilist comment: This episode kinda irked me. You're telling me that Wajima ignored her strategist's insights, made bad calls which in turn led her people to not trust her leadership... And then she goes on to execute that same strategist to maintain the illusion of authority? Girl, what? She could've exiled him, sent him on life imprisonment. How could she execute him!? I liked Yayakichi! That glove puppet scene was so cute TT This girl who made multiple bad decisions while having a capable strategist expects to win a war with none 😆 For her sake, I sure hope there's someone (Yaykichi's sons?) to hold the ropes in that department cause she can't go far on her own. I was excited to see what Aoteru would do :") Have to wait another week now TT That scene where Kaku welcomed Ryumon back was so great! Lowkey got emotional. And now Kaku's sick sigh This better not be cause they keep chain smoking all the time.
このエピソード、正直モヤッとしたんだよな。輪島桜虎が軍師の助言を無視して判断ミスを連発し、部下の信頼を失った挙句、権威を保つためにその軍師を処刑するってどういうことだ?追放でも終身刑でもできたはずなのに。弥吉が好きだったのに!あの手袋人形のシーン、めっちゃ可愛かったのに。有能な軍師を抱えながら判断ミスを繰り返した彼女が、今度は誰もいない状態で戦争に勝てると思ってるのか。彼女のために祈るよ、誰か(弥吉の息子とか?)がその分野で支えてくれることを。青輝の動きも楽しみにしてたのに。また来週まで待たなきゃな。鶴が龍門を迎えたシーンは本当に良かった。ちょっと泣きそうになったよ。そして鶴の疲れたため息…これ、チェーンスモーキングのせいじゃないことを願う。考察くん
Ok-Cod5254
She could've exiled him, sent him on life imprisonment. How could she execute him!? This is one of those things that called for authority to be exercised, otherwise she will lose more trust of the people for them to lose unity in the war, and he purposely staged crime to get someone else killed to call for strict punishment.
処刑するしかなかったのか…流罪とか終身刑とか選択肢あっただろ。ここで権威を示さないと民衆の信頼を失って戦争の結束が乱れるし、あいつはわざと罪を仕組んで他人を殺させて厳罰を求めてたんだぞ。普通くん
rockinalex07021
People are already doubting her authority, going easy on the snake with exile or imprisonment will do nothing beneficial for her. This was the only way to solidify her authority once again
もう既に彼女の権威に疑問持たれてるのに、蛇(桜虎)を追放や投獄で甘くしたら何の得にもならんやろ。権威を再確立するにはこれしかなかったンゴwww2ちゃん
Hyouryuu-Na
Didn't Yayakichi say he wasn't going to die. I thought that was the plan. But suddenly they changed their minds 😆
八弥吉は死なないって言ってなかったっけ?そういう計画だと思ってたんだけどな。急に方針変わったみたいだね😆普通くん
Ok-Cod5254
He said that earlier to his sons for his written reveal. But didn't tell them about the secret attack he was staging.
あの爺さん、手紙で息子たちに事前に伝えてたんやな。でもワイらへの奇襲のことは黙ってたってわけか。ガチで計算高いわwww2ちゃん
Hyouryuu-Na
Very sad. I still don't like Wajima though.
悲しいな…でもやっぱり輪島桜虎は好きになれない。普通くん
Jacob-C
原文
That we can agree on. But, even though her reasoning for starting a full-scale war is childish, superficial and naive, she was still useful in unifying the nation. She is basically an idol that everyone rallied behind because they admire her. I think one of the people who wrote angry letters even called her their "oshi". Most of the strategizing and planning that made everything else work was probably Yayakichi's doing, and now he's gone. As you said, we have seen what happened when she ignored Yayakichi and the other advisors. Wajima can say that she is going to war to "end corruprion" (paraphrasing) but we know what the real reason is. She is letting soldiers be killed on both sides, while the civilians of Yamato are being graped and slaughtered, all so that she can avenge her father. It's making it really hard to like her. However, I do think that Yayakichi forced her hand in executing him. After he had spread the half-truths that made him look like a usurper responsible for all of Wajima and Seii's sins, there was no other option to appease the people.
確かにその通りだ。ただ、彼女が全面戦争を始めた動機が幼稚で浅はかだったとしても、国家統一には役立ったという点は考察に値する。彼女は一種のアイドル的存在で、人々が憧れて結集したんだろうな。怒りの手紙を書いた一人が彼女を「推し」と呼んでいたのも象徴的だ。 実際の戦略や計画の大半は弥吉の功績だった可能性が高く、彼が去った今、その空白が顕在化している。弥吉や他の顧問を無視した時の結果は既に描かれている通りだ。桜虎は「腐敗を終わらせるため」と大義名分を掲げているが、本音は父の復讐。両陣営の兵士を死なせ、大和の民間人が虐殺・略奪されるのを放置している時点で、彼女を応援するのは難しい。 ただ、弥吉の方も自ら死を選んだ面はある。彼が自分を簒奪者に見せかける半真実を流布した後は、民衆をなだめる手段として処刑以外の選択肢はなかったのだろう。考察くん
bushwarblerssong
原文
She knew that Yayakichi wanted her to execute him. He publicly claimed he was responsible for the murders and rape of many innocent people and deaths of Ouga's brother's, leaving her without any family. To only exile him would not be enough for such crimes and she needed to make it clear to her soldiers that they cannot commit such despicable acts. It also wouldn't look convincing if she let him live when she's seeking revenge against Ryūmon for her father's death as what Yayakichi did to her brothers is more heinous since they were on the same side and close.
彼女はヤヤキチが自分に処刑してほしいと望んでたのを分かってたと思う。彼は公的に多くの無実の人々の殺害や強姦、そしてオウガの兄弟たちの死の責任を認めて、彼女から家族を全部奪ったんだ。そんな犯罪に対して追放だけじゃ足りないし、兵士たちにそんな卑劣な行為は許されないって示す必要もあった。それに、父親の死で龍門に復讐しようとしてる時に彼を生かすのは説得力ないよな。だってヤヤキチが彼女の兄弟にやったことは同じ陣営で親しかった分、もっと悪質なんだから。普通くん
Hyouryuu-Na
Yayakichi apparently mixed in truth and lies in his written confession. I wonder if he actually killed her brothers or if it was an attempt to shift the blame on him even more. In any case, this is all so sad. I wonder if he had to go that far.
確かに弥八吉の自白書、真実と虚偽が巧妙に混ざってるな。彼が実際に彼女の兄たちを殺したのか、それとも更なる罪を着せられようとしているのか、この点は考察の余地がある。いずれにせよ、この展開は本当に悲痛だ。彼がそこまで追い詰められなければならなかったのか、制作陣の意図を読み解きたくなる。考察くん
bushwarblerssong
The narration seems to make it definitive, but I still find it hard to believe he was responsible for their deaths. Ouga certainly seems to think he was lying about that.
確かにナレーションで確定してるっぽいけど、あいつが彼らの死に関わってるってのは信じにくいな。平殿器もその点は嘘だと思ってそうだし。普通くん
141_1337
Maybe he did because he saw her as the only one capable of the bunch and this was a way to atone and leave no mysteries so to spak
それってつまりさ、彼が彼女のこと「この中で一番有能なヤツ」って見てたからなんじゃね?んで、それがあたしなりの償いで、謎を残さないための方法だったってことなんじゃない?笑ギャル
FeedDelicious8846
thats basically what the narration said. it described her brothers as their father's "inept sons"
それな。ナレーションがまさにそう言ってた。「父親の無能な息子たち」って表現してたよ。感情くん
ElliotAlderson2024
Wajima was practically hogtied into executing Yayakichi, it broke her heart to do it.
輪島がヤヤキチを処刑せざるを得なかったのは事実上強制されたようなもんで、彼女自身もそれをやるのは心が痛んだだろうね。普通くん
Tempest321
原文
And then she goes on to execute that same strategist to maintain the illusion of authority? Girl, what? She could've exiled him, sent him on life imprisonment. How could she execute him!? That's where public sentiment plays in. She could have done those if Yayakichi hadn't attacked her residence and killed one person. That's irrefutable evidence of treason, and considering the public sentiment of that indictment, paired with his attack. The only real choice is to execute him; else, Ogha would lose even the loyalty of those who stuck to her side after the retreat. Yayakichi essentially forced her to choose to kill him or lose even more authority and make her dreams null. Authority is after all, where people choose to believe where it is.
なるほど、彼女が策略家を処刑したのは権威の維持という観点で興味深い考察ができる。確かに追放や終身刑も選択肢としてはあったが、ヤヤキチが彼女の邸宅を襲撃して殺人を犯した時点で、それは反逆の明白な証拠となる。弾正台の弾劾状と襲撃が重なった状況では、世論の流れを考慮すると処刑以外の選択肢は事実上なかったと言える。もし処刑しなければ、撤退後も彼女に従っていた者たちの忠誠すら失いかねなかった。ヤヤキチは結果的に、彼女に「殺すか、より多くの権威を失って理想を無にするか」という究極の選択を強いたわけだ。権威とは、結局のところ人々がどこにそれを認めるかで決まるという点を踏まえると、この判断は極めて合理的だったと思われる。考察くん
Kiyotaka__1_Tools
where did you watch episode 9
第9話どこで見たの?普通くん
Cannon_D_
May I ask any site to watch or you guys watch on prime only?
どこのサイトで見てる?それともプライムしかないんか?2ちゃん
Kiyotaka__1_Tools
it wasn't available on anikoto
まじで!?アニコトにないのやばくね!?ギャル