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開戦前夜
平殿器の嫡子・平殿継は、大和帝・藤3世の命を受け、辺境将軍隊右中将・菅生強と共に金沢を目指していた。そんななか、楽観的な殿継に対し、菅生はこれが聖夷の罠である可能性を指摘するのだが...。
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FarCritical
I love that Sugou bothered speaking just to praise the sugar cube. This story just keeps churning out the coolest old men ever. Barely knew the castellan and I'd hold the line for him.
ふむ、菅生殿がただ砂糖塊を褒めるためだけにわざわざ口を開き申したのが実に好もしい。この物語、老練なる者たちを次々と描き出すでござるな。城代殿とはほとんど面識なきも、某は彼のためなら陣を守り抜く覚悟で候。武士+171
justsyr
原文
>Barely knew the castellan and I'd hold the line for him. That last speech plus Hina telling Yoshinaga screw your plans we are defending our castle plus the soldiers going HAI! gave me goosebumps. I love how they can give someone's background and in 5 minutes can make you care for the character, don't need bullshit half episode background, just a few lines very well thought out and that's it, we are going to war with you brother!
「城主のことほとんど知らなかったけど、あの人のためなら戦える」 最後の演説+陽菜が「計画なんてくそ食らえ、この城は俺たちが守る」って言って、兵士たちが「ハイ!」って叫ぶシーン、鳥肌立ったわ。 背景を数分でしっかり見せて、キャラに感情移入させるの本当うまいよね。無駄な半話エピソードなんていらない。ちゃんと考え抜かれた数行のセリフだけで「兄貴、一緒に戦うぜ!」ってなる。普通くん+58
matdragon
Yeah it definitely makes the show feel more alive. Every character has a life outside of what is shown, but with just a few moments you can get a feel for what they're fighting for  Love it
せやな、それで作品の世界観がガチで生き生きしてくるわ。どのキャラも画面の外に人生あるんやなって感じられるし、ちょっとしたシーンだけで何のために戦ってるか伝わってくるンゴ。最高やわ。2ちゃん+21
sevillianrites
Also don't forget Yoshinaga hearing the offer of his head in exchange for his people's safety and without a moment of hesitantion he begins giving orders of what to do after they delivered his head to the enemy. Man didn't even need to consider whether or not he was willing to die to save his people, it was just a given.
確かに、吉永の判断は合理的でありながらも人間味がある。彼にとって自分の首と民の安全は天秤にかけるまでもない選択だったんだろうな。この場面、1話で青輝が「仕官の理由は亡き妻との誓い」と言ったことと対比すると興味深い。吉永もまた、守るべきもののために自己犠牲を厭わない覚悟を示している。つまり、この作品では「誰のために戦うか」がキャラクターの行動原理として一貫して描かれているという考察ができる。考察くん+12
Zeph-Shoir
> I love how they can give someone's background and in 5 minutes can make you care for the character For some reason it is so much effective for me than randomly bringing out a sad backstory for a character we knew for a while right until they die. Excellent speech from Castellan Nobody!
確かに。5分でキャラの背景を見せて感情移入させるの、めっちゃ上手いよね。 突然の回想で「実はこんな過去が…」ってやるより、ずっと効くわ。城主(名無し)の演説も最高だった。普通くん+8
St_Kiag0
what's the song that the castellan people were singing when the soldiers were marching?
あの場面の曲、めっちゃ気になるわ!兵士たちが行進してる時に城主たちが歌ってたやつだよね?あれめっちゃエモかったし、もっと聴きたいんだけど誰か教えてくれ!感情くん+13
OddTea74
For a bunch of "nobodies", they were goated to the end
あの「無名の連中」にしては、最後までめちゃくちゃかっこよかったな普通くん+157
mekerpan
For a garrison crew we just met, I feel a lot of sadness knowing they will all die soon. Unless Ryumon comes much more quickly than anyone expects. The (name-usurping) Taira Clan must be extermintaed.
まあ名もなき駐屯部隊だってのに、死ぬと分かってると結構寂しいもんだな。龍門が予想以上に早く来ない限りはな。 - 平家は絶対に滅ぼさないとドライおじ+53
polycontrale
They had to exit the castle to fight because it could no longer contain their absolutely massive balls.
確かに。城に収まりきらないほどの度胸で、最後までカッコよかったな。普通くん+9
AAA_BATT
Genuinely crying over characters i just met
ふむ……出会って間もない者どもに、某(それがし)まさか涙を流すとは。情に厚きこの心、武士の嗜みに反するやもしれぬが……それもまた、良き物語の証よな。武士+120
EyeDeeAh_42
We knew them for barely the last 10 minutes maybe, and already started rooting for them by the end. This show has some genuinely great writing... and the direction is a cherry on the top.
ワイもやで…出てきて10分くらいしか経ってへんのに、もう応援したくなってまうやん。このアニメ、マジで脚本が神ってるわ…演出もその上乗せで草生える。2ちゃん+29
justsyr
The care in animation and their expressions, the way that they can easily make us care about a bunch of people we just 'met' in the show shows how good of script and direction they have. This show is so great.
確かに。キャラに感情移入できるアニメーションと演出が本当に上手いよね。会ったばかりのキャラなのにすぐ好きになれる脚本の良さが光ってる。この作品、めっちゃいいわ。普通くん+14
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
The symbolism behind the cigarette butts littered on the (fore)ground and stomping out the mesely fire that remained lit, in contrast to the darkness inside the castle gates and opening it to the light of a new dawn--gave me the chilliest of goosebumps I usually only get while watching horror movies. This series is so dang good I almost fell for the fake-out when the ED song started to play and the credits started rolling. Thank god there was a post credit scene cause I really believed the episode had run its full 24 minutes when the song ended.
煙草の吸い殻が散乱する地面と、かろうじて燃え続ける火を踏み消す描写。対照的に、城門内の暗闇を開け放ち新しい夜明けの光を取り込むという構図――これにはホラー映画を見た時くらいの背筋が凍る鳥肌が立ったよ。 このシリーズ、エンディング曲が流れてクレジットが動き出した時、まさかフェイクアウトだとは思わずに騙されそうになった。曲が終わった時点で本当に24分フル尺だと思い込んでたから、ポストクレジットシーンがあって本当に良かった。考察くん+103
SpiritLoner
I just rewatched whole episode and about that cigarette butts symbolism: Sugou didn't littered at all, he collected all of them, so he wouldn't litter even in Kagawa province, even if it belongs to Seii. For me it shows how much he is more disciplined compared to Seii general (forgot his name) and that Seii general doesn't care for Yamato land at all
確かに。タバコの吸い殻のシンボリズム、俺も気になってた。須郷が全部拾ってたのは、聖夷の領地でもポイ捨てしないっていう規律の現れだよね。聖夷の将軍(名前忘れた)が大和の土地を全く大事にしてないのと対照的で面白いな。普通くん+34
shigehai
He's talking about Yoshinaga's last stand at the castle not Sugou.
ああそれ吉永の話かよw 勘違いしてたわw 確かに煙草の吸い殻集めてる描写はゴミ捨てじゃなくて伏線だったんやな笑 見直したら吉永の最期のシーンもっと泣けるわwwwwおじ+10
AdellheidV
Man, I get this is an anime and all, but I'd prefer it to be a little bit more realistic. How would the horse be able to move at all under the weight of the Castellan's massive balls??
いやマジでアニメってのは分かってるけどさ、もう少しリアルにしてほしいわ。城代のデカいキ○タマの重みで馬が動けるわけないやろ草2ちゃん+99
Boring-Grand1115
I specifically logged into my account for this, take my upvote brotherr !
わざわざログインしてまでこれに反論するために来たのかよ。でもそれなら俺のupvoteも受け取れ兄弟!普通くん+18
bushwarblerssong
原文
Several landmarks and characters in this episode appear in the OP and there were a number of historical references as well. We finally got to meet Junichi Tamaki, who is matched with Gō Sugō and Tonotsugu against Mūton in the OP, where you also have Aoteru vs Denki, commanders Ryūmon vs Ouga, four-eyed strategists Kaku vs Yayakichi, and generals Yoshinaga Satō vs Aterui. Of course, no one can rival Tsune-chan-*san-san*, so he isn’t paired against anyone, and Fuji the Third doesn't get a rival for the opposite reason. Hina Hiraizumi also makes an appearance after Aterui on horseback in the OP, and she's not even the last character with glasses. Fukui prefecture is known for their dinosaur fossils and world-class dinosaur museum, which is the **"Kuzuryū Castle (Nine-headed Dragon Castle)" in this series. The "castle," which is located in Katsuyama city, is also featured in the OP.** (Yoshinaga and Hina use Fukui dialect, by the way, so we've heard at least four different dialects in this anime so far.) The women at the castle were singing "Taizuru," which is performed at the Katsuyama Sagichō festival every year. Geisha led the accompaniment when they were still around in Katsuyama. Kanazawa is actually famous for its geisha district where geiko are still active today. We first saw Ouga in front of the Kanazawa station gate. The Tedori River bank is the site of The Battle of Tedorigawa between Oda Nobubaga with **Mitsuhide Akechi (Ryūmon's partial inspiration) and** **Uesugi Kenshin (Ouga's likely inspiration).** Tonotsugu stands before the Tedori Bridge in the OP. The regions (Fukui and Ishikawa prefecture) featured in this episode are historically associated with **Minamoto no Yoshitsune (Tsune-chan's Japanese inspiration) and Akechi Mitsuhide (Ryūmon's)**. After defeating the Taira clan, Yoshitsune fled with his warrior-monk retainer Benkei from Kyoto north to Iwate along the Hokuriku road. Before joining Oda Nobunaga, Mitsuhide served under the Asakura clan in Echizen province (Fukui). Ryūmon waits at Komatsu Airport. The airport is near the checkpoint (Ataka-no-seki) that Yoshitsune and Benkei passed, which also became the subjects of Noh plays "Ataka" and "Kanjinchō," which were based on "The Chronicle of Yoshitsune (Gikeiki)." Hakusan or Mount Haku is one of the Three Holy Mountains and like Mount Fuji and Mount Tate, it was worshiped. Located at the base of Mount Haku, Heisenji Hakusan Shrine, which was established in the 8th century and was once one of the largest shrine and temple complexes in the country, appears in both the Chronicle of Yoshitsune and the War Chronicles of the Akechi Clan (about Mitsuhide), as well as in Heike Monogatari as it was the site of the Battle of Kurikara Pass between the **Minamoto clan (Genji) and Taira clan (Heike).** According to legend, in the 9th century, an incarnation of Mount Haku appeared before the monks of Heisenji. When the monks placed a statue of this incarnation on the river as an offering, it was accepted by a nine-headed dragon (Kuzuryū) that carried it downstream and the river became known as the Kuzuryū river, which flows through Katsuyama city. That is likely why the Dinosaur Museum was named Kuzuryū Castle in the series. The Tedori River also flows from Mount Haku.
この話、OPで出てきたランドマークやキャラが続々登場して歴史ネタも盛りだくさんやったな OPで玉木淳一×菅生豪×殿継vs武屯、青輝×伝鬼、龍門×平殿器、軍師の鶴×弥八吉、吉永聡×阿弖流為って対決が組まれてるけど、誰もツネちゃんさんさんには敵わないから相手なし、逆にフジ三世はライバル不在ってオチや 平泉ひなもOPの馬上の阿弖流為の後に出てきて、眼鏡キャラはまだまだいる模様 福井県の恐竜博物館が作中では「九頭竜城」になってて、勝山市にあるその城もOPに映ってるンゴwww(ちなみに吉永とひなは福井弁使ってて、今作だけで4種類の方言聞けたわ) 城の女たちが歌ってた「泰鶴」は毎年勝山左義長祭で演じられるやつや。かつて勝山にいた芸者が伴奏してたんやな。金沢は今も芸妓が活躍する花街で有名やし、平殿器が最初に立ってたのも金沢駅前やった 手取川の堤防は織田信長×明智光秀(龍門のモデル)と上杉謙信(平殿器のモデル)の手取川の戦いの舞台で、OPでは殿継が手取橋の前に立ってる 今回の舞台(福井・石川)は源義経(ツネちゃんの元ネタ)と明智光秀(龍門の元ネタ)にゆかりの地や2ちゃん+95
bushwarblerssong
原文
Tamaki hitting the Seii officer with the back of his hand after making quips at Mūton is more of a tsukkomi (straight man) gesture in manzai comedy, which is very associated with the Kansai region, but ironically, he was the boke in this situation. He also had a very strong Kansai accent. Tsune-chan also used his Kimura Takuya line again. The official anime's account tweeted that Kaku grew up in a very poor, lowly family and unable to receive a formal education, so from a young age, he supported his household and bought his books for self-study with the winnings he earned gambling with adults. There was only one new addition to the glossary this past week. # Glossary (1 2 3)  **【『Kyōkaden』】** The biography Yoshitsune Asama is writing about his mother ・ Kyōka. So Tsune-chan, who's working on his mom's biography and calls his mom "Mama" as Ouga calls her dad "Papa," thinks Ouga is way too obsessed with her own parent.
玉木がムートンに軽口叩いた後に征夷の役人を手の甲で叩くのは、関西の漫才でいうツッコミの動きだよね。でも皮肉なことに、この場面では彼がボケ役だったんだよね。しかも強い関西弁だったし。ツネちゃんもまたキムタクの決めゼリフ使ってたわ。 公式アカウントがツイートしてたけど、鶴はすごく貧しい家で育ってまともな教育を受けられなかったんだって。だから幼い頃から家計を支えて、大人と賭け事で勝った金で本を買って独学したらしい。 今週の用語集の追加は1つだけだった。 # 用語集(1 2 3) **【『狂花伝』】** 朝間義経が母親・狂花について書いている伝記。 そういえばツネちゃんは母親の伝記を書いてて「ママ」って呼んでるけど、平殿器も父親を「パパ」って呼んでて、彼女は親に執着しすぎだと思うんだよな。普通くん+33
raidensnakeezio
原文
I found it interesting how the Yamato spy-messenger with the dreads doing the tsukkomi thing immediately outs him as completely Yamato/Osaka. Also interesting how Japan-era language spills over - "nobodies" comes from mob-domo, referring to "mob" characters from video games - examples that come to mind are the generic foot soldiers from Koei Tecmo's Warriors games (although those are also referred to as zako, after zako fish), or the shadowed silhouettes of pedestrians and passersby in visual novels.
まあ、ドレッドヘアの大和のスパイ兼伝令がツッコミ役やってる時点で、大和/大阪出身ってすぐバレるよな。 あと、日本時代の言葉が混ざるのも面白い。「nobodies」って「モブ共(mob-domo)」から来てるんだろうな。ゲームの雑魚キャラ——例えばコーエーテクモの『無双』シリーズの一般兵(ザコ魚から来た「ザコ」とも言う)とか、ビジュアルノベルの通行人の影——を指してるんだろう。ドライおじ+5
EyeDeeAh_42
I'm loving these extra infodumps about the real life locations and cultures. The author must have done good bit of research for this series. Thank you for these comments!
マジでこの豆知識ありがたすぎるんだけど!?実在の場所とか文化の情報がめっちゃ勉強になるし、作者さんがめっちゃリサーチしてるのが伝わってくる~!コメントありがと!笑ギャル+18
lodasi
I hope these comments are being archived somewhere else (not a wikia). Really gives so much more depth to an already fascinating series.
わかる!このコメント、どこかにちゃんと保存してほしいよな(Wikiaじゃなくて)!このシリーズ自体もう面白すぎるのに、こんな詳細解説がさらなる深みを追加してくれて優勝すぎるッ!感情くん+11
Jerry_MP
原文
Holy shit. Holy fuck. What an episode. The Castellan must be a real proficient leader if the garrison is willing to fight 1:35, even if its a guaranteed suicide. I've been itching for a good political/military drama for so long and goddamn this show scratches that itch super well. Animation felt a bit weak this episode (compared to what we've seen anyways) but its by no means bad. Oh man I can't wait for Ryumon to aurafarm at the castle next week. And we still haven't learned what that exiled officer is for... Peak episode as usual.
うわっ、まじかよ。今週のエピソードやばすぎ。城兵たちが1対35で戦うって、自殺行為確定でもやる気になるってことは、城代はよっぽど有能なリーダーなんだな。ずっと待ってた政治・軍事ドラマがようやく来たって感じで、このアニメめっちゃツボだわ。 作画は今までよりちょっと弱く感じたけど、別に悪くはない。来週の龍門の城でのオーラ祭りが待ちきれない。あと追放されたあの士官が何のためにいるのかまだ分かってないし…いつも通りの神回だった。普通くん+86
Se7en_Sinner
Denki Taira doesn't give a shit about his son and is basically using him a pawn to gain more military power. If his hellspawn succeeds, he wins and even if Tonotsugu dies, he can blame his political enemies for not protecting him. It's a win-win situation for him.
平殿器は息子の命なんてまったく気にしてないな。要は軍事力を拡大するための駒として利用しているに過ぎない。もしトノツグが成功すれば、平殿器の思惑通り。たとえトノツグが死んでも、政敵のせいにして守れなかったと責任転嫁できる。つまり彼にとっては、どちらに転んでも自分に利がある、まさにwin-winの構図という考察ができる。考察くん+74
Successful-Peach-764
The dripping nostrils make me hate his character even more, good use of this, it works well to elicit disgust at the idiotic child "leader".
あの鼻水垂らしの描写…まさに演出家の策略よな。あれが我が感情をさらに憎悪へと駆り立てるのだ。愚かなる「指導者」への嫌悪感を呼び覚ます、絶妙なる策謀よ。中二病+30
Shadow_Ass
I can't wait for both of them to be obliterated by someone. I hate them both
マジで何かで両方とも消し飛んでほしい。この2人、マジで無理すぎるッ!感情くん+12
totallyverifiedit
A literal "snot-nosed brat". This show's director apparently LOVES his visual metaphors.
「ガキの鼻クソやんけwww」 このアニメの監督、マジで視覚表現好きすぎやろ。草2ちゃん+8
Abangerz
The last few minutes was beautiful, thank you kevin penkin for that awesome background ost.
最後の数分間、美しすぎた。あの最高のBGMをありがとう、Kevin Penkin。普通くん+76
DogzOnFire
Wait you mean the Japanese folk music with the taiko drumming? That's surely not composed by Kevin Penkin lol. Crazy if true
ふむ…確かにあの太鼓の響きは我が魂を震わせた。だが、あれがケヴィン・ペンキンの手によるものとは思えぬ。もし真実なら、我が理解を超えた次元の業よ。中二病+21
xphyria
Coupe days late, but it isn't. It's from a real festival in Katsuyama, the area that castle is in, called sagicho
遅れたけど、違うよッ!あれは勝山の実在の祭り「左義長」の音源だ!和太鼓の民謡で、ケビン・ペンキン作曲じゃないってマジで草感情くん+8
NanDemoKnaives
原文
You can definitely see why Yoshinaga is on Ryuumon's side and not Taira's, he's another badass old man. I like how his men were all willing to follow him, even if it is a sure loss. They're going out with a bang with all that music playing, and it was amusing how Yoshinaga won Kura over.  Poor Sugou's hands are tied, figuratively and physically, I hope we'll see Tonotsugu realizing he was wrong but I doubt we'll get much acknowledgement from him.  Tamaki is suited for being a messenger in terms of how loud his voice is, but he's way too gullible lol.
吉永が平じゃなく龍門側についた理由がよく分かるな、ホントに凄い爺さんだよ。負け確でも部下たちが全員ついて行くのがいいよね。音楽ガンガン鳴らして派手に散ってくスタイル、しかも蔵を味方につけたの笑ったわ。 杉郷は文字通り物理的にも立場的にも動けなくて可哀想だな。殿継も間違いに気づいてほしいけど、認めるシーンはなさそうだな。 環は声のでかさだけで言えば使者向きだけど、騙されやすすぎだろw普通くん+67
mekerpan
Does Tonotsugu's frigging nose EVER stop running? I think from here on out I'm just going to call him Snot Boy.
【返信】 トノツグの鼻水マジで永遠に垂れてるやんけ。もう「鼻タレ小僧」って呼ぶわwww2ちゃん+29
NanDemoKnaives
It might just be quicker for him to blow his nose, he's always sniffing.
それな!鼻かんだ方が早いのにずっとズルズルいってるのしんどすぎるw感情くん+13
mekerpan
My comment here got removed by Reddit because it expressed hope that a fictional character would meet an unfortunate (for the character) end. Evidently the auto-bot cannot distinguish between comments about other humans and comments about pretend ones. 😉 Apparently saying nasty things about a fictional character again will get me suspended, Sigh.
確かに鼻ずっと啜ってるから早くかんだ方がいいと思うけどな。Redditの自動ボットがフィクションと現実の区別つかなくて笑えるわ。キャラに酷いこと言ったら垢停止ってマジかよ…まあ仕方ないか😅普通くん+12
Low-Habit-3337
This show shits on everything else from the last few years.
このアニメ、近年の作品全部をぶっ飛ばしてる。マジで優勝すぎるッ!感情くん+52
RyouBestGirl
Kingdom if it had sex with Golden Kamuy
確かに。ここ数年の中じゃダントツで面白いわ。キングダムとゴールデンカムイを掛け合わせた感じがすごいハマってる。普通くん+50
Kuoliibk
This is the most accurate description of anything I've ever seen in my life.
それなッ!!まさにその通りすぎる!ゴールデンカムイのクセ強キャラとキングダムの戦略頭脳戦が融合した感じでエモすぎて泣いたわ感情くん+13
Kirbyundertale
SON LMAO
それなwww エロ要素も歴史も両方楽しめる感じか笑 ワロタwwwおじ+8
PeaceAlien
Making War so stylish
確かに。この作品、戦争シーンのスタイリッシュさが圧倒的だよね。近年のアニメの中で頭一つ抜けてるわ。普通くん+16
szalhi
*The future is still good.*
それな!未来まだまだ希望あるじゃん!✨ギャル+53
derega16
Considering Fallout have a lot of weird shits cargo culted on American culture. Post apo Japan has it too is expected
確かに、Falloutみたいにアメリカ文化がカーゴカルト化してる世界観があるなら、終末後の日本にもそういうのあってもおかしくないよね。普通くん+17
Cringe_masters
This feels like Kingdom
これ『キングダム』すぎるッ!熱い!感情くん+45
ImperialDane
it does indeed make you think of Kingdom. Which is never a bad thing
キングダム思い出すわ〜 それって最高の褒め言葉やろ2ちゃん+17
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
When you let dipshits with political clout lead military operations instead of people with military knowledge and experience, you have the beginning of what we’re witnessing. That useless snot nosed brat arresting Sugoh only helps Seii. I hope he eats shit next week. You can tell Sato is one hell of a leader if the entire garrison at Kuzuryu Castle were basically ready to die for him. It was a suicide charge but they went out like real heroes o7. Ryumon and Aoteru might be the only real hope the country has. They’re outmanned and outmaneuvered right now. It’s gonna take some real brains to unfuck this mess that dipshit Taira dragged them into.
政治力だけあるクソ野郎に軍事の知識や経験がないまま指揮を任せると、今みたいな事態になるんだよな。あのガキ大将がスゴウを逮捕したのは、結局セイイを利するだけだ。来週はあいつが痛い目見るのを願ってる。 佐藤がどれだけすごいリーダーかは、九頭龍城の駐屯兵が全員彼のために死ぬ覚悟だったってだけでわかるだろ。自殺的な突撃だったけど、マジで英雄みたいな最期だったよ o7。 龍門と青輝だけが、この国の本当の希望かもしれない。今は兵力も戦略面でも劣勢だけど、あの平のバカが引き起こしたこの泥沼をどうにかするには、本物の知恵が必要だな。普通くん+38
mrnoobi134
this show just keeps getting better every week
このアニメ、毎週毎週どんどん面白くなってくなこれ 来週もガチで待ち遠しいンゴwww2ちゃん+36
DaisyChain2222
Holy moly, this anime is good.
わあ、このアニメめっちゃ面白いね。普通くん+31
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
ABSOLUTE CINEMA ✋11/10🤚(while making my best Sugoh deadpan impersonation) From Sugoh to Sato--one badass to another--the old guards have shown that they are not to be underestimated nor trifled with. Gotta love the camaraderie and unity of the Castle brigade. Brings literal tears to my eyes with how beautifully moving that scene was. Follow it up with the spicy foreplay between the two opposing commanders--simply EPEAK!
絶対に映画館で見るべきやんこれ✋11/10🤚(スゴウのデッドパン完コピしながら) スゴウからサトウへ——漢から漢へ——古参のガードマン連中は舐めたらあかんって証明したな。 城の連中の連帯感と結束力ガチで泣けるわ。あのシーンの美しさにワイ涙腺崩壊したンゴwww。その後の両軍指揮官のスパイシーな駆け引きも最高すぎる——まさにEPEAKや!2ちゃん+31
_WrongKarWai
Juxtaposition too as you can see the old guard leading the way on one side and the youth movement getting them in trouble and it's a youth movement on Seii's side with the old guard executed
わかるッ!古参が道を切り開く側と、若手がトラブルを引き起こす側の対比がエモすぎる。聖夷側は古参が処刑されて若手主体ってのがまたアツい。菅生から佐藤へ…漢の中の漢すぎるッ!感情くん+9
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
原文
What's scarier than a brat? A brat with unchecked power. The Tairas have really done it and spread thin the army they grew for the past three years due to their hubris. And it's even more annoying that whatever the result of the war is, there's a huge chance that the elder Taira would come out on top. The fact that the corps not only fear the outside threat coming from Seii but also the ones inside due to the Tairas lurking around shows how fractured the state of affairs truly is. I do wonder what role Aoteru and Asama would play in the upcoming episode/s based on what they set up with Kaku in the previous ep. But with the former figuring it out, they're probably on the move already. That idol scene though. No matter how dystopian Japan gets, idol culture would never die😂. It's even funnier when they call them geishas too.
ガキより怖いのは、無制限な権力を持ったガキだよな。 平家の慢心で3年かけて育てた軍を拡散させちまったのが痛すぎる。しかも戦争の結果がどうあれ、平家の長老がトップに立つ可能性が高いのがさらに腹立たしい。軍が聖夷からの外敵だけでなく、平家の内憂も恐れてる現状が、どれだけ国が分裂してるか物語ってるよな。 前話で鶴と設定した伏線から、青輝と阿佐馬が次回どんな役割を果たすのか気になる。でも青輝が気づいたってことは、もう動き出してるだろうな。 あのアイドルシーンは最高だったわ。どんなにディストピアな日本でも、アイドル文化は死なないんだな😂 しかも彼女たちを芸者って呼んでるのがさらにウケる。普通くん+25
feb914
>it's even more annoying that whatever the result of the war is, there's a huge chance that the elder Taira would come out on top you can bet that he'll blame Ryumon for this invasion and his son will be blameless for pushing to Kanazawa.
**せやな。戦争の結果がどうあれ、結局は平殿器が得する展開になりそうでムカつくわ。** 龍門に責任押し付けて、息子は金沢攻めの件で無罪放題やろな。2ちゃん+12
Namaryu
Seii used Idols! It was supper effective!
Seiiがアイドルを使ってきた!効果は抜群だった!普通くん+24
Googleplexian_Moron
The final scene was genuinely so gas and really sold that the war has started. Hopefully, they nail the tension going forward (and the galsses girl survives).
最後のシーンまじでやばくね!?戦争始まった感がやばかったわ。これからも緊張感バチバチで行ってほしいし(てかメガネっ子ちゃん生き残ってほしいんだけど泣)ギャル+24
lifeischerryblossoms
im in love with the politics of this show
このアニメの政治描写にガチ恋したわ2ちゃん+23
Hot_Temporary_4488
Their despair on protecting the castel yet covering it with hope of drums.this is the insanity of loyal soliders.
城を守る絶望の中であの太鼓で希望を繋ぐ…忠臣の狂気って感じだな。普通くん+14
Tplayere
I absolutely love the glint of resolve in the eyes of the characters, it makes the characters shine so brightly when they are prepared to make their marks on the history and you can not only feel it, but see it subtly represented visually.
キャラの目に宿る決意の輝きがガチで好きやわw 歴史に名を刻もうとする瞬間のキャラの輝き方が半端ないンゴwww 視覚的にもちゃんと表現されてて草2ちゃん+13
PeaceAlien
My Prime Video won't play past 11 minutes, hits me with ads and then the video crashes.
Prime Videoが11分すぎると再生できなくなって、広告が表示されてから動画が落ちるんだが。普通くん+13
mekerpan
I sought an alternate source rather than put up with the advertising BS....
まじでそれな!広告うざすぎて別のとこで見るのが正解じゃん笑ギャル+11
SgtExo
As much as that charge at the end gave the castellan and garrison a cool exit with the suicidal charge, I feel like they could have done more damage to the attacking army by digging in and fighting room by room for that castle. Even if it is breached, it still offers way more advantages to the defender than charging the enemy head on. RIP to a real one, even if I don't think he is the brightest.
あの突撃で城代と守備隊が壮絶な最期を遂げたのはかっこよかったけど、籠城して一室ずつ戦った方が攻めてくる軍にもっと損害を与えられたんじゃないかな。城が突破されても、正面から突っ込むより守備側に有利な点は多いはず。 頭は良くなかったかもしれないけど、あいつは本物の漢だったよ。合掌。普通くん+10
norracom
原文
to be fair, seii entered yamato with 70,000 troops which were then divided at least three times to take several castle. that plus the portion of troops left for security at their camp and scouting and foraging parties spread across the countryside realistically puts at most like 15,000-20,000 fighting men at the castle at fukui, most of whom are probably dispersed to subdue other parts of the castle. if the garrison were to wait for borderland general ryumon to arrive, aterui could still turn around with a majority of his forces and turn away the 3000 fighters in ryumon's group. if the garrison surrender their castellan, the survivors in the keep might be able to walk free, tho it's unlikely they'll get to take their weapons and supplies with them to ryumon, and they might end up executed for desertion. meanwhile a breakout might seem suicidal, but if there is a time to break out, it would be before the attackers had time to regroup to storm the keep. their odds of survival are still pretty grim but at the very least, the survivors could reasonably go before ryumon without being accused of dereliction of duty and whoever's left could bolster ryumon's own precarious situation in the field. at the very least, it's arguably the least grim of a pretty grim situation.
確かに、征夷軍が福井城に投入した兵力は実質15,000〜20,000程度と考察できる。70,000で入国後、複数の城攻略や警備・斥候に分散されたことを考慮すると、城攻めに集中できる戦力は限られる。 城兵の選択肢を分析すると: - 龍門光英の到着を待つ → 征夷軍が主力を引き返せば3,000の龍門軍は退けられる可能性が高い - 城主を差し出す → 生存者は解放される可能性はあるが、武器・兵站没収後に脱走兵として処刑されるリスクも - 突破を試みる → 自殺的だが、攻撃側が再編成する前なら最もタイミングとして適切。少なくとも職務放棄の汚名は免れ、生存者は龍門の窮状を支えられる 総合すると、どれも絶望的だが、突破が最もマシな選択肢という考察が成り立つ。考察くん+5
DogzOnFire
I love that quick violent cut to the okame mask falling to the ground next to the bloodstained taiko drum to tell the viewer they've all been killed, right down to the musicians.
あの一瞬のバイオレンスなカットで、おかめの面が血まみれの太鼓の横に落ちてる描写、最高だったな。奏者まで全員殺されたって一発で分かる演出、やばい。普通くん+10
Maybe_this_time_fr
Holy shit, this episode is the coolest one so far. The Yamato defenders fighting while the army band going crazy is not what I expected. All the higher-ups of the Borderland Corps are fucking badasses.
いやマジで今回のエピソード、現時点で最高傑作だわ。軍楽隊が狂ったように演奏する中で大和の守備隊が戦う構図、想像の斜め上を行く演出だった。 辺境兵団の上層部、全員がマジでヤバいくらい強いな。それぞれのキャラの格が違う。考察くん+9
West_Intention_5517
A masterpiece, no words.
やばっ…まじで言葉にならないくらいの神作品じゃん!ギャル+9
Jacob-C
原文
It’s really frustrating to see such an obvious trap pay off, especially when it only does so because the younger Taira is too stupid to understand it, and the older Taira is willing to sacrifice 30,000+ men and his own son to gain even more political power. The Tairas need to be deposed and dealt with, and after that, Ryumon, Aoteru, Asama and Kaku need to wipe the floor with Seii. (I’m not saying it’s frustrating from a writing perspective. It’s frustrating in a way that highlights how awful the Tairas’ decisions are, which justifies all feelings of hatred toward them)
あからさまな罠が成功するの見てると本当にイライラするな…平の若い方がバカすぎて理解できず、老いた方が3万人以上と自分の息子を犠牲にしてまで権力を拡大しようとするから成り立ってるだけだし。平家は追放して処分するべきだよ。その後は龍門、青輝、阿佐馬、鶴で聖夷をボコボコにしてほしい。 (脚本の質にイライラしてるわけじゃない。平家の判断の酷さが際立ってて、嫌悪感が正当化されるって意味でね)普通くん+9
Devoidoxatom
Damnn you made me realize. The fat taira knew Ryumon was right about the trap but sent his son in as lure so the attacked castles are forced to call for his armies as reinforcements. That's one cunning bastard. He probably recognizes the borderland troops military prowess, makes no sense he's just willfully shutting down their suggestions unless he's planning smth)
確かに。平殿器は龍門の罠の指摘が正しいと理解した上で、敢えて自分の息子を囮に差し出したんだな。攻められた城側がやむを得ず平殿器の軍を救援要請せざるを得なくなる――つまり、この一件で平殿器は自軍の正統性を獲得したという考察ができる。 要するに、彼は辺境軍の軍事力を正確に評価しているからこそ、わざと龍門の進言を退けている。ただの頑固者ではなく、何か裏を読んでいるという伏線だと思われる。まさに三十六計の「苦肉計」を応用した策略家だな。考察くん+5
MentionOk8186
This final scene was fire
このラストシーン、マジで燃えたわwww2ちゃん+8
actuallyrndthoughts
Finally, round glasses cutie from the OP is here. Will she survive though? Everyone in this anime is auramaxxing
やっときたじゃん!OPに出てたあの丸メガネの子〜!めっちゃかわいいんだけど!でもこのアニメ、みんなオーラ全開すぎてヤバくない?この子生き残れるのかな笑ギャル+7
Devoidoxatom
Man i *really* hope the taira kid dies. Basically everyone under Ryumon is a badass. It'd be such a waste for the taciturn general to just die in that trap. Hoping they make some kind of plot twist
龍門の部下たち、みんなめちゃくちゃ強いのに、あの沈黙の将軍が罠で死ぬのはもったいなさすぎる。なんかどんでん返しあるといいな。普通くん+5
Mami-kouga
The kid dying would be a net negative in this specific situation though
でも今回の状況的にガキ死んだら完全にマイナスやろwww2ちゃん+5
Riccto
Got to love the band playing under fire. They went out with a bang
あの銃撃戦の中でも演奏を続けた楽団、最高にかっこよかったな。最後まで派手に散ったね普通くん+7
sansisness_101
even though Seii has a huge numbers advantage, it does seem like they lack a tech advantage, since most of the seii forces use swords and bows while Yamato uses bayonet rifle cavalry
マジでそれな!?青輝軍、数では圧倒的に勝ってるのに装備差がやばすぎじゃね?笑 大和側は銃剣つき騎兵なのに、青輝軍はまだ刀と弓とかまじ時代遅れすぎて草ギャル+6
thisisdropd
原文
Ryuumon's one hell of a commander – pretty much most of his corps had undying loyalty to him. Sato's facing a near certain defeat, but he'd rather die fighting rather than surrender or rely on Taira's reinforcements. Serving under Taira's not much better than under Seii. For what it's worth, Sato himself had inspired similar loyalty in his men. Hiraizumi refused his orders when it involved surrendering his head to save the rest of the troop's. Have to respect Nagao for the lengths he had went through in the deception. Enduring such level of pain just to sell a story. Pretty amusing that his main motivation's to get praised by his crush – man acted just like a lovestruck teen.
龍門は本当にすごい指揮官だな – ほとんどの部隊が彼に絶対の忠誠を誓ってたもん。佐藤はほぼ敗北確定の状況でも、降伏したり平殿の援軍に頼るくらいなら戦って死ぬ方を選んでる。平殿の下で仕えるのも聖夷の下と大して変わらないしな。それに佐藤自身も部下に同じような忠誠心を植え付けてたんだよな。平泉は部隊を救うために自分の首を差し出せって命令を拒否したし。 永尾の欺瞞にかけた執念には敬意を払うわ。あそこまで痛みに耐えて話を信じ込ませるんだから。主な動機が好きな人に褒められたいってのが結構面白い – まるで恋するティーンみたいな行動だな。普通くん+6
Shimmering-Sky
原文
- Um… - Welp. - Yes, because you’re an annoying brat. - The shade, heh. - Ugh, and Sugoh’s going to be right about why they *should* hold off to survey some more right? - Oh I’m sure it is. - Huh, idols still exist here. - Ah, good point… - The same place Ryumon and Kaku decided to head towards? - The way Ohga’s face appeared in the darkness was spooky as hell. - Mm… - Oh, what does she have in mind? - Ahh this show is so good! I don’t want to wait a week for the next episode.
- うーん… - まあな。 - そうやな、お前がうざいガキやからやろ。 - 皮肉効きすぎやろ、へへっ。 - つーか、須郷の言う通り「もっと調査すべき」って話になるんやろな…。 - ああ、間違いないわ。 - え、ここでもアイドルいるんか。 - ああ、確かにそれもそうやな… - 龍門と鶴が向かった場所と同じとこか? - 暗闇から平殿器の顔が浮かび上がったシーン、ガチで怖かったわ。 - んー… - お、彼女は何考えてるんや? - ああもうこのアニメ面白すぎやろ!来週まで待ちきれへんわ。2ちゃん+5
Smoothw
Shows so good every week, all the fun of this kind of overly earnest historical drama while also being an over-the-top parody (how can you not laugh at the general's last meal being a sugar cube or the geishas in modern day high school uniforms). Wistful drag of a cigarette that I have to wait a week for the next episode.
毎週欠かさず観てるけど、この作品は過剰なほど真面目な歴史ドラマの楽しさと、ぶっ飛んだパロディ要素(将軍の最後の食事が角砂糖とか、現代の女子高生みたいな制服の芸者とか笑わずにいられるか?)を両立させてるのが絶妙だよな。次のエピソードまで一週間待つってのがまさに「臥薪嘗胆」って感じで、煙草をふかしながら待つしかないんだよな。考察くん+5
NoHead1715
原文
The big problem about stories that mix modern with 'classic' war methods is the ridiculous actions like using guns and bayonets against bow and arrows in a melee battle. The Seii troops don't even have explosives to blow up a tunnel, yet you're telling me no one on the Yamato side is smart enough to say, let's just hold the fort *inside* the fort? This episode's final scene just looks extremely stupid against all the strategic ones before it.
マジで草生えるわこの戦争描写。弓矢相手に銃と銃剣で突っ込むとか頭おかしいやろ。しかもSeii軍はトンネル爆破する爆薬すら持ってないのに、大和側で「城内で籠城しよ」って言えるやつ一人もおらんの?今までの戦略エピソードが良かっただけに最後のシーンはガチでバカすぎるンゴwww2ちゃん+5
y-c-c
It's just general politics. Taira will just use the opportunity to say he was the one who ended up defending the invasion whereas borderland general was not doing that. Yes this was a situation created by Taira himself but you know, not like the emperor is smart or have the power to say no. Sometimes you just need an excuse.
確かにこれは典型的な権謀術数の展開だな。平殿器としては、自ら招いた状況とはいえ「辺境将軍が防衛できなかった侵攻を自分が退けた」という大義名分を得られる。天皇に拒否権がないのもポイントで、形式的な承認さえ取れれば事実上の支配強化に使える。要は表向きの理由づけが必要ってことだ。考察くん+6
Quanpro198
Buou. They have color red, tried to invade Yamato in the 1st episode but got ambushed by Ryumon
マジでBuouってやばくね!?赤色がテーマの国で、第1話でいきなり大和に攻め込もうとしたのに龍門に待ち伏せされてやられたんだよね笑ギャル+7