#2日本三國
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FireRifle64
I loved the scene where the boat guy blows a puff of smoke and the background characters start coughing from it.
船のおっさんが煙吹きかけたら、後ろのモブがゲホゲホ言い出したシーン最高やったわww 草2ちゃん+203
francasa
Also when their heads were spinning around the clock and the hair was always hanging down
それな！時計の周りをぐるぐる回ってる時の髪の毛、ずっと下に垂れてるのやばくない！？笑ギャル+133
crunchsmash
The hairs at the front and back of the head that are slightly stiff from being in a side-part, or wrapping around the jaw before fully falling is insane flexing by the animators.
確かにあれはすごかったな。前髪と後ろ髪がサイド分けでちょっと固まってて、顎に巻きついてから落ちる動きとか、アニメーターの技術やばすぎだと思う。普通くん+30
theatreofwar
It's the attention to details like that which really get me, I love that kinda shit
ああ、その船乗りが一吹きの煙を放ち、無名の者たちが咳き込む運命の一瞬…まさに我が魂を震わせる細部の妙よ。そういう些細な世界の歪みこそ、我が心を捉えて離さぬのだ。中二病+58
Reutermo
I was afraid that the great art direction from the first episode wouldn't be throughout the series. Glad to see that was unfounded.
確かにw 初回の作画良すぎて「これ続くの？」って不安だったけど杞憂だったな笑wwwおじ+28
Se7en_Sinner
You can tell Yoshitsune is the real deal because he was able to command respect from all those men despite his yee-yee ass bob haircut.
義経があのダサいボブカットなのにあれだけの男たちから尊敬を集められるってことは、本物だってわかるよな。普通くん+182
-greek_user_06-
The way I mistook him for a girl in the opening...
やばっ！俺もオープニングで完全に女の子だと思ってたんだけど笑
でも確かに、あれだけの男たちからリスペクトされる時点で本物じゃん！ギャル+62
BosuW
The are unga bunga brained. If strong then strong, looks don't matter.
それな！「強けりゃ強ええんだよ」って脳みそ単純な連中だからこそ、義経の実力が本物ってわかるんだよな。見た目とか関係なしに全員が敬意を払ってるのがエモすぎるッ！感情くん+16
TheBlasphemerAmon
Studio Kafka and director Terasawa are absolutely nailing this. I’m completely locked in. And yeah, I was one of those who thought Tsune was a girl lol.
スタジオKafkaと寺澤監督、ガチで仕上がってんな。ワイ完全に釘付けやわ。
あと、ワイもツネのこと女だと思ってたクチやったわww 草2ちゃん+149
Andreiyutzzzz
So i'm not alone. good
我が同胞よ、孤独ではなかったのだな。この運命の共鳴、心地よいではないか。中二病+25
LezRock
I mean... I don't think that necessarily would stop them from being shipped or getting together. 😆
せやな…それでくっつくの止まるとは思えへんやろwww2ちゃん+17
EyeDeeAh_42
If anything, it would only increase the chances of them getting shipped I think....
むしろそれでさらに“推され”確率上がると思うんだけど…ッ！😆🔥感情くん+21
notanfan
i also thought she was a girl lol
ワイも女の子やと思ってたわ草2ちゃん+5
Merkyorz
>she
You still do, but you used to, too.
それなｗ 今もそうだけど、昔もそうだったってことねｗ感情くん+36
PeaceAlien
Extremely impressed by the first two epsiodes. I already said it last week, but this is looking like my anime of the season
最初の2話ガチでやばいわ。先週も言ったけど今期の覇権アニメやろこれ。2ちゃん+133
bushwarblerssong
原文
Tsune-chan-san is the best.
His name comes from Minamoto no Yoshitsune (Heian-Kamakura Period), who famously fought the Taira clan. The historical figure was also known for his pride and skill with the sword.
Some people assumed Tsune-chan was a woman from the promos and OP, but his haircut (amasogi) is a traditional young boys hairstyle from the Heian period that was also associated with Taira no Kiyomori’s child spies from the Tale of the Heike. Usually, Yoshitsune is depicted as a pretty boy with long hair in a ponytail in modern adaptations. I think the bob emphasizes his immaturity and cheeky nature, and that he’s a Mamma’s boy.
There’s another possible inspiration for Tsune-chan, Aoteru and the whole series. I don’t think it breaks rules, but I’m putting it in the source corner just to be safe.
Ryūmon Mitsuhide comes from Akechi Mitsuhide (Sengoku Period), the samurai general who betrayed Nobunaga and was defeated by Hideyoshi.
Ryūmon (龍門 - dragon gate) is also a real surname that derives from Tōryūmon (登龍門), which is a proverb based on the Chinese legend). In the OP, the smoke from Ryūmon’s cigar turns into a dragon and flies “upstream.”
ツネちゃんは悪くなかったな。
名前は源義経から来てるんだろうな。あのヘアスタイルは平安時代の子供の髪型で、平家物語のスパイにも関係あるらしい。現代の義経はイケメン長髪ポニテが定番だけど、あのボブは彼の幼さと生意気さ、マザコン感を強調してるんだろう。
竜門光秀は明智光秀からか。OPで葉巻の煙が龍になって“遡上”する演出は、登竜門の故事を意識してるんだろうな。まあ悪くない解釈だ。ドライおじ+120
bushwarblerssong
原文
You could say that the OP is also an ode to Saki and the lyrics foreshadow her death.
“Saki” has several different meanings depending on how it’s written. When Saki (小紀) dances in her wedding dress, Tatsuya Kitani sings of the bonfires lighting the “blooms” (咲き - saki) of the cherry blossoms in the night. Though the path ahead is dark and hazy, he can only gaze forward.
At the end, as Saki walks on the beach and shows off her dress, he asks someone to breathe into him to ignite the heat still smoldering within his emotions charred black, and allow the dancing embers of the kindling (火種 - hidane) to burn far (先の先 - saki no saki) far (その先 - sono saki) far away (遠い先 - tooi saki) until they die out.
Until Saki burns out.
There are more references to Saki in the full song and so many references to the series that you can tell that Kitani is very passionate about it.
(While “hidane” means kindling or source to make a fire, it can also refer to the “fuel” of a conflict. “Saki” as in “far” can refer to distance and the future.)
I will have to listen again later, but the ED lyrics, too, are all about Saki and end with another “saki” (その先へ - sono saki e), ahead of that or beyond.
確かにOPは咲へのオマージュで、歌詞が彼女の死を暗示してるって言えるね。
「咲」は書き方によって意味が変わるんだよな。
- 小紀がウェディングドレスで踊る時、北谷達也は夜の桜の「咲き」を照らす焚き火を歌ってる
- 道の先は暗く霞んでるけど、前だけを見つめるしかない
- 最後に咲がビーチでドレスを見せるとき、「火種」を燃やし続けるように誰かに息を吹き込んでほしいと歌う
- 「先の先」「その先」「遠い先」まで燃え尽きるまで
咲が燃え尽きるまでね。
「火種」は紛争の「燃料」にもなるし、「先」は距離や未来を指すんだ。EDの歌詞も咲についてで、「その先へ」で終わる。北谷の情熱が伝わるわ。普通くん+60
Namaryu
Was the Battle of Nagashino here inspired by the Nagashino 1575 or would you say there is no connection?
え、まじで！？長篠の戦いって1575年の長篠合戦が元ネタってこと？それとも全然関係ない感じなの？気になるんだけど！ギャル+12
bushwarblerssong
I can’t tell if you’re just making a joke, but yes. Not only is the name and location the same, but the clever use of technology (firearms and cleats in this case). Shimada looks a bit like Takeda Katsuyori, too.
確かに冗談抜きでそうだね。名前や場所だけでなく、テクノロジーの活用（火縄銃とスパイク）も似てるし、島田が武田勝頼っぽく見えるのも面白い。普通くん+17
maxpolo10
So you are saying that yee yee ass haircut hasn't been seen since the Heian era?
「つまりそのダサすぎる髪型は平安時代以来見られてないってこと？」笑ったｗｗ感情くん+8
bushwarblerssong
Excuse me, I’ll have you know that the great man you’re disrespecting is the direct heir of the esteemed Asama clan and a very good boy according to his mother.
(Aristocratic women who became nuns and little girls would also get the bob…)
確かに、その言い方だと浅間家の直系の嫡男で、お母さん曰くいい子ってのを侮辱してるってことになるじゃん。
（高貴な女性が尼さんになったり、少女もボブにしたりするんだよな…）普通くん+6
bushwarblerssong
原文
Those reactions are mainly by people who aren't familiar with the source material, but no one said that it was "more based on" China's Three Kingdoms than on Japanese history in those comments. We would need to move to the source corner to discuss the references in the volume they alluded to. If you remind me next episode discussion, I will add it to a comment there.
Aoteru is officially based on Tougai (Deng Ai), although I also believe he has to be inspired by Zhuge Liang based on his personality and art with the fan (such as in the OP). Tsune-chan is also confirmed to be partly inspired by Shoukai (Zhong Hui). However, the series also takes from various parts of Japanese history and there are many reasons to believe Tsune-chan is based on Yoshitsune, and not just because of the distinct name, although the historical figure is one of the most famous heroes in Japanese history.
元ネタ知らん連中の反応やな、でも「中国三国志ベース」って言ってる人はいなかったで。次のエピソードの時に思い出させてくれたら、ワイがコメントで解説追加しとくわ。
アオテルは鄧艾が元ネタやけど、性格と扇子（OPのやつ）見てると諸葛亮の影響も絶対あるやろ。ツネちゃんは鍾会＋義経のハイブリッドやな。名前のインパクトもあるけど、義経は日本の歴史上トップクラスの英雄やし、そっちベースの要素も強いわ。2ちゃん+5
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Looks like Ryuumon is the badass old man of the series until further notice lol. I'm curious how Aoteru will handle the test since I'm not sure how words would work in his favor, unless Ryuumon willingly does it himself because he's impressed by Aoteru. Or the strategist recommends him.
Tsune and Aoteru seem like they'll be an amusing pair, Tsune's already interesting in him even if he doesn't want to admit it lol.
龍門が暫くはこのシリーズのバケモン爺枠って感じだな笑。青輝がどうやって試験をクリアするのか気になるな。言葉でどうにかできるとは思えないし、龍門が青輝に感心して自らやるか、軍師が推薦するしかないんじゃないかな。
常と青輝は面白いコンビになりそうだね。常は認めたくないけどもう青輝に興味持ってるし笑。普通くん+115
mekerpan
I really do wonder just where this story is headed. How can one *convince* someone to go do down on their knees? It certainly does not look possible to **make** him go down on his knees.
せやな、龍門はとりあえずシリーズ最強のジジイって感じやな草。アオテルがどう対処するか気になるわ。
この話、どこに向かうんやろな。誰かを「説得」してひざまずかせるってどうやるねん。無理やりひざまずかせるなんて絶対無理やろwww2ちゃん+45
EitherExamination343
Ask nicely?
「お願いしてみる？」ってそれしかないッ！でもこの展開マジで気になるしんどすぎる…どうなっちゃうんだよ！感情くん+30
saga999
That should be the first thing to try. 先禮後兵
まずはちゃんと頼むのが筋だよな。それでダメなら次を考えればいい。普通くん+15
Controller_Maniac
Break his kneecaps
膝蓋骨ぶっ壊せばええやんwwwww2ちゃん+7
BladeDancer03
Ryuumon showed up looking like Big Boss, can't get much cooler than that
確かに、龍門はビッグボスみたいな登場でかっこよすぎたな。あれ以上はないわ。普通くん+20
yurilnw123
> Tsune
Tsune-chan-san!
草、ツネちゃまさんって呼び方ワロタwww
龍門がシリーズのクソジジイ枠確定やな、とりあえずはな。青輝がどう捌くか気になるンゴねぇ2ちゃん+14
Gentlemad
My three thoughts:
1. Just ask. Why not?
2. Make him laugh hard enough (moon shot).
3. Provide a strong enough incentive to kneel. E.g. - convince them, either by deception or by rhetoric.
確かにそれは気になるね。
1. 素直に聞けばいいんじゃない？
2. 笑わせる（月に向かって打ち上げるくらい）
3. 騙すか説得で、土下座させるだけの強い動機を与える普通くん+5
EyeDeeAh_42
原文
It's a fucking crime how this series is not more popular. I know this spring is stacked but Nippon Sangoku is probably in my top 3 currently. The characters, the artstyle, the direction, the pacing, the dialogue... I enjoyed every single aspect of this show. Wtf man, I hope it does not just remain a dark horse of the season.
Tsune-chan-san seems like the right kind of psycho to balance out Aoteru's extremely logical side. Dude went straight for the Ryuumon's legs lmao. I don't think it will be that easy, but I'm curious as to what Aoteru comes up with.
Edit: It's surprising to me that so many people thought Tsune was a girl from the OP. His uniform and chest kinda made it obvious to me that he was a guy. I only remember seeing 2 girls in the OP... 3 if you include Saki.
このシリーズがもっと流行らねえのガチで犯罪やろ。今期は当たり多いけど日本三國はワイの中だとトップ3確実やわ。キャラ、作画、演出、テンポ、台詞…全部が神ってるンゴ。マジでダークホースで終わらんでほしいわ。
常さんは青照の超論理的な部分を補完するのに丁度いい感じのサイコやなwww いきなり竜門の足狙うとか草。そんな簡単にいかんやろうけど、青照がどう出るか気になるわ。
追記：まさかOP見て常を女だと思う人がこんなにいるとは驚きや。制服と胸見りゃ男って分かるやろ。ワイはOPで女キャラ2人しか覚えとらん…咲含めたら3人やけどな。2ちゃん+98
thunder_crane
Generic slop Animes will always be more popular and that’s unfortunately the hard truth for people who enjoy seinen.
確かに。凡庸な量産型アニメの方が人気出やすいのはしょうがないね。そういう現実を受け入れるしかないんだろうな。普通くん+45
Ordinal43NotFound
Tbf, the most popular anime this season is looking to be Witch Hat Atelier which is also a seinen
まあ確かにw 今期一番人気は『とんがり帽子のアトリエ』だし、それも青年向けだしな笑wwwおじ+9
thunder_crane
Well, the question of whether it's miscategorized or not has long been debated. People have definitely asked why it was publicized in a seinen magazine, and frankly, certain magazines will publish a wide variety regardless of their intended demographic. Happens on all sides (AoT for example is technically a shounen but very rarely comes across as one, imo).
確かに、それが誤分類かどうかは長年議論されてきたテーマだよね。なんで青年誌で連載されてるのか疑問に思う人も多いし、実際雑誌によっては対象年齢関係なく幅広い作品を載せることもあるしな。進撃の巨人も少年誌だけど、ぶっちゃけあんまり少年漫画っぽくないしね。普通くん+5
a1oner_bvcksn6
For a second there I thought Revolver Ocelot has invaded Japan
ちょっと一瞬リボルバー・オセロットが日本に侵略してきたのかと思ったんだけど！笑ギャル+66
Se7en_Sinner
While his revolver skills were pretty good, his eyepatch reminds me of Big Boss.
草www リボルバー・オセロットが日本に侵攻かと思ったわ
確かにリボルバーの腕はガチやったけど、眼帯見たらビッグボス思い出すンゴね2ちゃん+25
Namaryu
It is clear that the events and characters are spins on actual historical figures but since I'm not well versed in JP history I'm glad there are people in the comments who can provide clarity.
確かに！史実の人物をアレンジしてるのは明らかだけど、日本史に詳しくない俺にはコメント欄の解説が神すぎるッ！助かる～！感情くん+67
BosuW
I know enough to know it's inspired in real feudal Japan history but not enough to say specifically what that means or where it's going
確かに、史実をベースにしてるのは分かるけど、具体的な展開までは読めないな。まあそこが面白いところでもあるんだろうけど。ドライおじ+11
ActuallyFrozen
I hope someone translates the military hierarchy chart and the historic events in the ED
え、まじでそれ！EDの軍事階級図と歴史的イベント、翻訳してくれる人いないかな〜！めっちゃ気になるんだけど笑ギャル+54
notanfan
i wish we get some scalations for this, prime isnt even trying
確かに、Primeは全然力を入れてないよね。軍の階級図とかEDの歴史イベントの解説とか、もっとちゃんと出してほしいな。普通くん+33
tdm1378
you can find its translation in manga
マンガの方で翻訳あるよ。Prime本気出してないのマジでしんどすぎるッ！早くスケールアップした戦い見たい…感情くん+5
hammile
原文
From what I see, most elements are from Ritsuryō, and Three Dukes & Nine ministers. Iʼm not historian, nor Japanese speaker. So terminology or translation can be wacky.
- 大和帝 Emreror Yamoto
- 近衛組 (都内警備) From what I understand, itʼs the closest (personal?) guard which acts only within Tokyo.
- 弾正台 (官吏監視) Imperial Prosecuting and Investigating Office.
- 辺境将軍 (軍政統轄) Border General (Military Administration Commander), the examen is about this sector.
- 内務卿 (国政統轄) Lords of Home Affairs
- 内務卿府 軍師 (顧問) Military Strategist (Advisor)
- 内務卿府 衛尉 (護衛) Guard Officer
- 内務輔 (次官) Home Affairs Assistant Director (second highest of the four administrative positions of the ritsuryō system)
- 式部院 (官吏登用·育成) Public Officials Appointment and Training
- 内務左丞 + 内務右丞 (各司統轄) Left + Right Minister of Internal Affairs (in charge of all departments)
- 大司宮 (宮中事務) Grand Master of Palace (?) (Palace Affairs)
- 大司農 (財政·農政) Grand Master of Agriculture (Finance and Agricultural Policy)
- 大司刑 (裁利·刑罰) Grand Master of Justice (Judgment and Punishment)
- 大司空 (建設·気象) Grand Master of Works (Construction and Meteorology)
- 大司礼 (外交) Grand Master of Ceremonies (Diplomacy)
- 大司書 (文書) Grand Master of Writing (Documents)
地方 Areas
- 州 Province / Zhou) (country subdivision)
- 州司 (州統治) State governor
- 州守 (州監察) State guard
- 郡 district (of 2-20 50-home neighbourhoods or townships, in the ritsuryō period) / Commendatory#Administrative_hierarchy)
- 郡司 (郡統治) district governor
- 県 territory (pre-Taika: under the Yamato court; Heian: under a provincial governor, etc.)
- 県司 (県統治) territory governor
要地 Key locations
- 城 (軍事的防御施設) ※辺境将軍府管轄 Castles (military defensive facility), under Frontier General
- 対馬防衛局 (大陸監視)※対馬郡に設置 Tsushima Defense Bureau (Continental Surveillance), located in Tsushima (island)
- 渤海使館 (渤海国外交) ※出雲郡に設置 Balhae Embassy, located in Izumo.
- 琉球使館 (琉球国外交) ※薩摩郡に設置 Ryukyu Embassy, located in Satsuma.
この組織図、律令制と三公九卿をベースにしてるのが明確だな。大和帝を頂点に、近衛組が都内警備の親衛隊、弾正台が官吏監察、辺境将軍が軍政統轄って役割分担は、まさに古代日本の官僚機構を踏襲してる。
- **中央官制**: 内務卿が国政統轄し、軍師・衛尉・内務輔が補佐。式部院で官吏育成、左右の丞が各司を統括。大司宮から大司書までの六司は、宮中・財政・刑罰・建設・外交・文書と完全に律令の分工制だ。
- **地方行政**: 州・郡・県の三段階で、州司・郡司・県司がそれぞれ統治。州守は監察役で、これも律令の国司制度に近い。
- **要地**: 城は辺境将軍管轄で軍事拠点、対馬防衛局が大陸監視、渤海使館と琉球使館で外交ルート確保。対馬・出雲・薩摩の配置は歴史的な交易ルートを反映してるな。
EDの歴史イベントと合わせると、この世界観が律令制を基盤にした架空の日本を描いてると考察できる。用語の翻訳は多少怪しいけど、構造自体はしっかりしてるわ。考察くん+26
SSjjlex
Kinda dumb, but my guess for a cheap answer would be to knock his paperwork onto the ground. They're all busy doing a lot of catch up on their paperwork so they dont want to much waste time. If he wants to get his paperwork back he'll have to bend down and grab it. If he doesnt go all the way then a little nudging/slamming should seal the deal.
草ァwww ワイの安直な答えやと、書類を床にぶち撒けるのがええと思うンゴ。みんな書類整理で忙しいから時間無駄にしたくないやろ。拾うために屈まざるを得なくなるし、ちょっと押したりぶつかったりすれば確実やな。2ちゃん+48
AdellheidV
wait. this is make sense wf 😂 I wouldn't even suprise if this is happen.
待って、これ結構筋通ってるじゃん笑
実際にそうなっても全然驚かないわ。普通くん+9
Torque-A
...is this the first anime to namedrop The Minions
ミニオンズの名前出てくるアニメってこれが初めてなんかｗｗｗ2ちゃん+44
Dangerous_Stretch_67
Yea that was not on my fucking bingo card my wife laughed her ass off
確かに、それは俺のビンゴカードにもなかったわ。妻はめっちゃウケてたよ。普通くん+12
ObvsThrowaway5120
It’s clear that little test requires them to think outside the box, but I’m pretty sure Asama using his sword isn’t going to do shit. Brute force isn’t the answer. A sword won’t help. I’m very curious what Misumi is gonna do. There’s only four minutes left but I have faith the dude’s gonna think of something. He’s quite clever after all.
この小さなテストは明らかに型にはまらない発想を要求しているが、浅間が刀を使っても意味がないだろう。力押しは解決策じゃない。刀ではどうにもならない。三角がどう動くのか非常に気になる。残り時間は4分しかないが、あの男なら何か考え出すと信じている。何せ彼はかなり賢いからな。考察くん+42
Se7en_Sinner
If they wanted the Ryuumon on his knees, the least they could do is buy him dinner first.
I hope Yoshitsune slices his legs clean off next episode and the real challenge is Aoteru talking their way out of it after it actually happens.
確かにあの小テストは型にはまらない発想が必要だけど、浅間が刀を使うのはまずいってのはわかるな。
相手が龍門を屈服させたいなら、せめて最初に夕飯くらいご馳走するべきだよな。
次回、義経が奴の足をスパッと切り落として、青輝がその後の事態をどうやって話で切り抜けるかが本当の試練になってほしい。普通くん+24
HarshTheDev
I dont think Tsune will cut Ryuumon's legs clean off. *if it even happens* then I think he'll only slice off the tendons(?) behind his knees to force him to kneel.
ふむ、某もそう思うでござる。義経が龍門の両脚を真っ二つに断つとは思えぬ。*もし仮にそうなるとしても*、膝裏の腱を断って無理やり跪かせる程度であろうな。武士+7
SweetAndSpicyCanton
That cliffhanger made me read the manga lol
あの引きがやばすぎて原作読んじゃったわ笑感情くん+30
darthvall
Lol that's too far for me.
Honestly though, I screamed inside when the ending song started. They're really cruel with that cliffhanger
確かにそれはやりすぎだわ。
でもエンディング流れた時、心の中で叫んだよ。あの引きは本当に鬼だね。普通くん+30
EyeDeeAh_42
Man, this is one of *very few times* I haven't read the manga AT ALL, but the temptation is irresistible. I'm loving the direction and style of the anime so far, so I'll hold on for a little longer.
せやな、ワイも原作まったく読んでないけど、この引きはガチでヤバいンゴwww
アニメの方向性とスタイルがめっちゃ好みやから、もう少し我慢するわ。2ちゃん+13
Igriez
Tsune chan san yume ga aru
つねちゃんさん、夢があってやばくない！？めっちゃいいじゃん！ギャル+26
2kenzhe
原文
First episode was amazing but this episode managed to be fun af as well. I'm really enjoying this.
Yoshitsune Asama so that's the other guy with the sword. I like his personality lol I wanna see how his relationship with our MC evolves.
Mitsuhide Ryuumon well he's a badass to say the least. Also, his opponent was just a massive fool as well.
I quite like his vibe. I really hope Asama dude isn't going to actually just cut his legs next ep lol.
I wonder if MC will bring him to his knees through yapping as well?
初回から面白かったけど今回もガチで楽しかったわ
めっちゃハマってるンゴwww
義経・朝山ってのがもう一人の剣士か
キャラ好きやわｗｗ主人公との関係性どう発展すんのか気になる
竜門・光秀はとにかく強キャラやな
相手もアホだったけどな
朝山の奴まさかマジで足切断とかせんよな？ｗｗ
ワイはあいつのノリ結構好きやで
主人公また喋りで跪かせんのかな？2ちゃん+26
171194Joy6
I just met Tsune-chan and if anything happens to him, I will kill everyone in this room and then myself lmao.
ツネちゃんに会ったんだけど、もし彼に何かあったらこの部屋の全員殺してから自分も死ぬわwww普通くん+24
darthvall
Hey, don't easily give in to peer pressure
せやな、でも常ちゃんに手ぇ出したらワイも殺戮モード入るでwww2ちゃん+30
KaitouSky
原文
the direction and storytelling is still killing it. this is steadily climbing up my favs-all-time list.
it's been a while since i've heard fukuyama jun (tsune-chan's seiyuu) act a character in this voice. his voice when tsune started sucking up to aoteru reminded me of the shirokuma cafe days lmfao. love his performance as always
really looking forward to how this cliffhanger resolves! how will aoteru yap himself out of this one lol
演出とストーリーテリングが相変わらず最高だわ。着実に俺の歴代お気に入りリストを駆け上がってる。
久しぶりに福山潤（常ちゃんの声優）がこの声でキャラ演じてるの聞いた気がする。常ちゃんが青輝に取り入り始めた時の声、シロクマカフェの頃思い出したわ笑。相変わらず演技最高だね。
このクリフハンガーどう解決するのか楽しみ！青輝、どうやってこの状況を喋り倒すんだろうな笑普通くん+23
estrangthehero
My boy Aoteru gaslighting his way into unifying Japan.
ワイの推しの青輝、日本統一のためにガスってるンゴwww草2ちゃん+20
thisisdropd
原文
Looks like Aoteru & Yoshitsune would eventually be bros for life. Their conflicting philosophies as well as their different specialities were recipe for a devastating team-up, after they had (partly) resolved their differences. Aoteru's brains and caution would make a fitting complement for Yoshitsune's brawn and audacity. Yoshitsune’s more suited to be the leader with his charisma with Aoteru as his advisor and strategist.
Now what have those two (individually) cooked for the test in the meantime?
青輝と義経、結局は生涯の盟友になる感じだね。対立する思想や専門性の違いが、お互いを（部分的に）認め合った後は、最強のタッグを生む材料になったんだと思う。青輝の頭脳と慎重さは義経の腕力と大胆さを引き立てるし、カリスマ性のある義経がリーダーで、青輝が参謀・軍師って役割がぴったりだよ。
で、その間に二人は（個別に）テストのために何を仕込んできたんだろうね？普通くん+17
Chrono-Helix
Our two leads are going to have a very interesting relationship. I was expecting them to be all buddy-buddy from the start, but it seems like it’ll be some sort of one-sided tsundere rivalry.
That comparison of the queue waiting times to real Universal Studio rides made me smirk.
二人の主人公の関係性、非常に興味深い展開になりそうだ。最初から仲良し一直線かと思いきや、どうやら片思いのツンデレ的ライバル関係になるという考察ができる。
行列待ち時間を実際のユニバーサル・スタジオのアトラクションと比較したのは、制作陣の遊び心が感じられて思わずニヤリとしてしまった。考察くん+15
PencilgonGiveIt2Ya
Damn not the cliffhanger
༼;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽
マジかよ、ここで終わるとか
(༼;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽)普通くん+14
bananeeek
I thought he'd use a lever or kick him behind the knees to bring him down, but Tsune said he's gonna cut his legs off!? Damn. Okay. I mean, as long as it works...
So it looks like Tsune and Aoteru will climb the ranks together to unify the nation. Gives me a lot of Kingdom vibes and I love it.
この展開、考察すると面白いな。常（ツネ）が相手の足を切り落とす選択をしたのは、単なる暴力ではなく、戦略的な判断だと思われる。てこや膝蹴りで倒すより確実に無力化できるからだ。これは『キングダム』的なリアリティを感じさせる描写で、戦場での効率を重視したキャラクター設計が光る。
常と青輝（アオテル）が共に階級を上げて国を統一していく構図は、まさに天下統一を目指す物語の王道だな。『キングダム』の信と嬴政のような関係性を連想させる。制作陣は歴史物のダイナミズムをしっかり理解していると見える。今後の伏線として、二人のコンビネーションがどう進化するか注目したい。考察くん+15
Nachtwandler_FS
Ok, this one had way more comedy than I expected from ep. 1.
But damn, finishing the episode just before Yoshitsune made hios move was criminal. I am certain both he and Aoteru will pass, but I wonder how concidering I doubt the general wants to lose his legs )
エピソード1から想像してたよりずっとコメディ要素多かったな。
でも義経が動き出す直前で終わるのは酷すぎるだろ。彼も青輝も受かるとは思うけど、大将が足を失いたくないって考えるとどうやって合格するのか気になるわ。普通くん+13
MisoRamenSoup
Two episodes in and this anime has so much depth and small intricacies that if you blink you miss it. This is great.
2話しか見てないけど、このアニメの深みと細かい仕掛けがヤバすぎるッ！一瞬でも目を離したら見逃すレベルの情報量…最高すぎる！！感情くん+12
tripleaamin
原文
As episode 1 focused on Atoeru and Saki. In episode 2 we get a focus on Atoeru and Yoshitsune. Yoshitsune's point of using foreign words is interesting because if you sound smart, people will follow you. Whether you understand what you are saying. So many people lack the ability to think critically, which is why it can be effective.
Still, as Atoeru has a point that Yoshitsune is jumping to conclusions. As people lack the ability to think critically, it doesn't mean they will mindlessly follow you. As Atoeru mentions, trust is king. Yoshitsune has a more narrow point of view where it could be his way or the highway. Thus he would endure people's hatred, and they would even fear him.
As the key difference, the ideologies of these two are that Yoshitsune aims to get the common people to follow him. However, he seems to have a narrow point of view. Still, I think it is clear that he has great charisma. Meanwhile, for Atoeru we know he is very logical, and thus he prioritizes trust. I am very curious how the dynamic between these two goes as the show continues.
第1話がアトエルとサキ中心だったのに対し、第2話はアトエルとヨシツネの話やったな。ヨシツネの「外国語使えば賢そうに見えて人がついてくる」って考えは興味深いわ。実際意味理解してなくても、批判的思考できないやつ多いから効果あるってわけか。
でもアトエルの言う通り、ヨシツネは結論に飛躍しすぎやろ。批判的思考できないからって盲目的に従うとは限らんし。アトエルが言うように信頼が全てや。ヨシツネは「俺のやり方か、出て行け」みたいな狭い視野で、憎まれても構わず恐怖で支配しようとするタイプやな。
二人の違いは、ヨシツネは民衆を従わせたいけど視野狭い、でもカリスマはガチ。一方アトエルは論理的で信頼重視。今後の展開でこの二人の関係がどうなるか気になるンゴwww2ちゃん+11
KaitouSky
yes! i also loved how they hinted at tsune’s old habit of assuming and jumping to conclusions when he asked if aoteru was getting sick of waiting in line (which he wasn’t)
確かに！ツネが「並ぶの飽きてない？」って聞いたとき、昔の癖で勝手に決めつけてる感じが出てたの良かったよね（実際は違ったし）普通くん+6
IceSmiley
原文
I strongly suspect that the general is wearing some sort of leg braces that make it difficult for even the strongest guys to drive him down. If that's so, I don't think Tsune's plan of chopping his legs off will work. Also a dumb plan since one sword swing won't cleanly chop both his legs off as if cutting thru butter.
Aoteru was right in telling Tsune that someone appearing smart doesn't make them loved since dumb people usually resent someone way smarter than them and anti intellectualism exists in every culture. Tsune was right though that you shouldn't always be so blunt with people and sucking up in certain situations will get you what you want.
あの将軍、脚に何か補強具みたいなものを装着してる可能性が高いと思うんだよな。だからどんな屈強な奴でも倒すのが難しいんだ。もしそうなら、ツネの「脚を切り落とせばいい」って計画は通用しないだろう。それに、剣一振りでバターみたいに両脚を綺麗に断ち切れるわけないし、無謀な作戦だよな。
アオテルがツネに「賢く見える人が愛されるとは限らない」って言ったのは正しい。なぜなら、たいていのバカは自分より遥かに賢い人間を嫌うし、反知性主義はどの文化にも存在するからだ。ただ、ツネの「いつもストレートすぎるのは良くない。時にはゴマをするのも必要なんだ」って主張も一理ある。状況によっては取り入ることで目的を達成できるってのは、現実的な考察だと思う。考察くん+12
PetyrDayne
This manga deserves a HBO adaptation because I want to finish reading the manga, watch the anime then watch a good live action
この漫画、マジでHBOで実写化してほしい！だってさ、漫画読み終わってアニメ見て、その後に良質な実写も観たいじゃん！やばくね！？ギャル+9
DanielAlves1904
This and Dorohedoro might be my favorite shows of the season.
I love the animation style and story is very intriguing too.
これとドロヘドロが今期の一番好きなアニメかも。
作画のスタイルも好きだし、ストーリーもすごく気になる感じだね。普通くん+10
Shimmering-Sky
原文
- Well now you’re just tempting fate obviously.
- Impressive.
- Aoteru arrived here at a bad time, huh.
- Hah, him proceeding to fanboy over the tower is really cute though.
- Sounds like the perfect ally for Aoteru, hm?
- Oh–
- *Damn*, Aoteru.
- Sounds like this is what Tsune was alluding to.
- That’s an incredibly ridiculous wait time.
- Hahaha…
- So *that’s* why this exam is so tough. I assume it’s very hard to pull that off.
- Damn, the episode ended before we got to see what Aoteru’s plan is.
- これは明らかに運命を挑発している行為だな。
- 見事だ。
- 青輝が来たタイミングが悪かった、ということか。
- はっ、彼が塔に夢中になってる姿は可愛いけどな。
- 青輝にとって完璧な味方って感じだな？
- おっ—
- *くそっ*、青輝。
- ツネが示唆してたのはこれのことか。
- 待ち時間がとんでもなく長すぎる。
- ははは…
- なるほど、だからこの試験がこんなに厳しいのか。それを成功させるのはかなり難しいと推測できる。
- くそ、青輝の計画が何か見える前にエピソードが終わってしまった。考察くん+8
KaitouSky
tsune chan: glaze me
also tsune chan: stop yapping you mf
つねちゃん：「俺を崇めろ」
でもつねちゃん：「黙れクソ野郎」普通くん+7
LunchAtNightIsDinner
Artstyle is unique but beautiful...that was some nice way to pass the exam there
画風が独特すぎるのに美しすぎるッ！あの試験突破の仕方、最高にかっこよかった！感情くん+6
szalhi
*This is how you get loyalty for life.*
これで一生の忠誠心ゲットやんけwww2ちゃん+5
Andreiyutzzzz
Wait that person from the OP is a guy????
え、OPに出てたあの人男なの？？？普通くん+6
HeavyReputation3283
Anime of the season honestly so far
今期のアニメ、正直これが一番でござるな。武士+5
NEX4TE
The show is amazing in every sense
このアニメガチで全部がやばいわwww
作画もストーリーも文句なしやんけ！2ちゃん+5
hafhaf93
This kinda of anime where you going to remember it forever and forget the title.
こういうアニメって永遠に覚えてるのにタイトルだけ忘れるんだよね。普通くん+5
Average_Otaku6969
I liked tsunechan san inner monologue a lot it's funny asf eventually these two will surely be an iconic duo.
ツネちゃんの心の声ガチで草生えるwww
この二人いつか伝説のコンビになるやろな2ちゃん+5
illonamoon
Awww I don't wanna wait a whole week! I wanna see what misumi and tsune do now!
あ〜1週間待ちたくないよ！みすみとつねがこれからどうなるのか早く見たい！普通くん+5
AdellheidV
原文
It might seem like a small detail, but in the scene where they spin around while wondering how they could make Ryumon kneel, the way their hair moves against gravity is an absolutely brilliant touch. I mean, strictly speaking, they didn’t need to do that. They could have simply depicted him as a static portrait. But details like this are what make a series truly valuable and well-crafted. I was impressed.
このシーン、一見小さなディテールに見えるけど、竜門を跪かせる方法を考えながら回転する場面で、重力に逆らって髪が動く表現は本当に秀逸だと思う。厳密に言えば、静止画で描くだけでも成立したはずなんだよな。でも、こうした細部へのこだわりこそが、作品に真の価値と完成度をもたらすんだ。制作陣の意図が感じられて、正直感動した。考察くん+5
