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金沢夜襲
聖夷軍による九頭竜城への侵攻をきっかけに、聖夷と大和の戦の火ぶたが切られた。異変を察知した大和軍本隊は進軍を中断。一方、先行していた殿継たちは、開戦の事実を知らぬまま長尾武兎惇による歓待を受けていた。
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Jerry_MP
原文
Holy fucking peak. Didn't think it could get better but MAN it just keeps going up. Perhaps I was wrong about the Taira brat. He might not be as bad as I thought after all... Maybe he'll be the insider they need to take down the Tairas. This show might actually just be about old men aurafarming disguised as a military drama. Sato last episode. Sugoh and Nagamine this time around. And of course Ryumon, even with his very brief appearance. Might be our man Aoteru's turn next episode though. Fuck man I need the next episode already.
なんという至高の境地よ…既に頂点かと思いきや、さらなる高みへと続く階段が現れるとは。我が目を疑ったぞ。平殿の小僧、案外侮れぬ存在かもしれぬな。奴が内側から一族を滅ぼす鍵となるやも。この物語、表向きは軍略劇の仮面を被りつつ、実は老獪なる者たちのオーラ・ファーミングの儀式に過ぎぬのかもしれぬ。先週は佐藤、今週は菅野と長峰。そして龍門将軍、その一瞬の姿だけで圧倒的な存在感を放つとは。次回は我らの青輝がその座に立つ番か。くっ…次なる啓示を待ちわびるこの焦燥、耐え難きものがある!中二病
hawks27-2
My guess is that lil Taira is killed by his dad at some point after returning. I think papa Taira expected his son to be killed in Kanazawa and that would justify him taking over Ryumon's command and invading Seii. Lil Taira surviving and coming back trusting Ryumon/Sugoh more than his father makes him a threat that's easier to elimate.
多分、小さい平は帰還後に父親に殺されるんじゃないかな。平の父さんは金沢で息子が死ぬと思ってて、それを口実に龍門の指揮権を奪って聖夷に侵攻するつもりだったんだろう。小さい平が生き残って龍門や菅生を父親より信頼して帰ってきたから、邪魔になったんだと思う。普通くん
BosuW
Yeah like "I have something to ask my father" I'm sorry but that dude ain't answering shit lil bro 🥀. You're with him or against him, that's the only thing he asks.
あー「父に聞きたいことがある」ってやつね笑 悪いけどあのオッサン何も答えてくれないってばよ🥀 味方か敵か、それしか聞かねーんだからまじで。ギャル
DugACCat
原文
Yeah this episode showed the youth that his dad seems willing to throw him away, or at least he should start realizing that. I had been wondering up until now which way the kid would go. He seemed to have many of the negative traits of his father but didn’t seem entirely irredeemable. He’s not stupid, Just being young and spoiled. This crisis might be a wake up call. Even if he isn’t fully redeemed he may find a way to choose his own path and defy his father.
ふむ…今宵の話、若き者が自らの父に捨て駒として扱われる運命を垣間見たのだな。これまで奴の行く末に我が目は惑わされておったが、父の負の面を受け継ぎつつも救いの余地はあった。愚かではない、ただ若さゆえの甘やかしに過ぎぬ。この危機こそが魂に目覚めをもたらすだろう。完全なる贖罪とはいかずとも、己の道を選び父に抗う術を見出すかもしれぬ。中二病
InvincibleWallaby
that would justify him taking over Ryumon's command I think he wanted to completely wipe him and majority of his loyalists out as well since he pretty much ordered them to accompany his son, the ''I'll kill you if something happens to my son'' seemed like insurance in case he did come back alive somehow
それ龍門の指揮権奪うための口実やろな。ついでに龍門とその忠臣どもまとめて始末したかったんやろ。息子に同行させたのも計算ずくやし、「もし何かあったら殺す」発言は万が一生きて帰った時の保険やったんやで2ちゃん
chum-guzzling-shark
good call. It's also an easy way for the author to show how evil Taira actually is
確かに。あれは平殿器の邪悪さを端的に描くための、作者のスマートな演出でもあるな。感情くん
_WrongKarWai
It's no country for old men!
老人には生きづらい国やな!ワイ涙出そうやで…2ちゃん
Neutron_Starrr
I really can't believe how good this show is, every week we get even more peak episode. Kinda sad that is a bit underrated and has only 600 upvotes, i how that in Japan goes well so we get another season if there is more source material.
このアニメマジですごいわ。毎週ピーク更新してるのに、アップボートたった600ってちょっと悲しいな。日本で人気出て続編やれるといいんだけど。普通くん
saga999
That brat fucked up bad. But kids are allowed to learn and redeem themselves. Willing to swallow his pride and admit his mistakes, he has a future. But that fat fuck Taira Denki KNEW it was a trap and sent his son there anyway. Risking his son's life, if not outright sending him to die, for political gain, it doesn't get any lower than that.
あの小僧(青輝)は確かに大きな過ちを犯した。しかし若者が学び、償う道は残されている。己のプライドを捨てて過ちを認める姿勢がある限り、未来はある。問題は平殿器だ。あの肥え太った男は罠と知りながら実の息子を送り込んだ。政治的利得のために、命を危険に晒すどころか、意図的に死地へ追いやったと見るべきだ。これ以上に卑劣な行為は存在しない。この描写からは、平殿器の冷酷なリアリズムと、青輝の成長可能性という対比構造が浮かび上がる。考察くん
GrimMind
I would love it if once he got to the capital he reverted and became the true villain once his dad dies off diabetes.
父親が糖尿病で死んだら、青輝が都に着いてから本性現して真の悪役に豹変する展開とかワイは大好物やわwww2ちゃん
Haise01
Perhaps I was wrong about the Taira brat. He might not be as bad as I thought after all Literally bro! First thing I thought when he showed up with the gun was "dammit why is he still alive??" lol But now I'm actually interested in his character a little bit more, this anime is too good!
平殿器のあのガキ、俺の見立てが間違ってたかもしれないな。思ったより悪いやつじゃないのかも。マジで!彼が銃持って現れた時、真っ先に「ちくしょう、まだ生きてたのかよ!」って思ったわ(笑)でも今は少し興味湧いてきた。このアニメ、出来が良すぎるんだよな。考察くん
Zero3020
The "One unkempt man in a robe" was obviously going to come into play and save the day but I still lowkey expected Sugoh and Taira to just die righ then and there. We lost the Castle defenders from last episode, Taira's bff and Nagao, this show does not care about killing off named characters so far.
「ローブの無精者」が当然のように現れて救う展開は予想してたけど、正直スゴウと平はその場で死ぬかと思ったよ。前回の城の防衛隊、平の親友、永尾…この作品、名前付きキャラを容赦なく殺すからな。普通くん
KaminariOkamii
I propose a national funeral day for the hot glasses lady
平殿器のメガネ姉さんに国葬日制定しろや草2ちゃん
Golden_Phi
Have we seen her corpse? With her being in the OP I expected a greater role.
確かに、彼女の亡骸は確認できておらぬな。OPに登場しておったゆえ、もっと重要な役割を担うかと存じたが……某も同じ思いでござる。武士
Minimum_Classroom747
Deputy Archivist is also in the OP and died pretty quickly. No one is safe there.
副管理官もOPに出てたけどすぐ死んだな。あの世界じゃ誰も安全じゃないってことだね。普通くん
Devoidoxatom
yeah, i was scared when sugoh was talking about his newborn baby loll. seems almost a given for seinen shows like this to just kill off a hopeful moment
わかるわwww 須郷が新生児の話してる時マジでビビったわ笑 こういう青年向けアニメだと希望の瞬間をぶった切るのがお約束みたいなもんだしなwwwwおじ
Donnie-G
Considering how unceremoniously people seem to get killed off, I was also expecting Sugoh and Taira to die. I was also expecting young Taira to be an insufferable little shit till the bitter end, but looks like he might actually improve and grow as a character.
確かにこの作品は人があっさり死ぬからな。菰生と平も死ぬかと思ってたよ。若い平は最後までクソガキのままだと思ってたけど、意外と成長しそうな感じだね。普通くん
manquistador
Going with two fake out death cuts was certainly a choice. I'm not going to fall for that again.
フェイク死亡カットを二回連続でやるのは確かにワロタw もう引っかからねえよ笑wwwおじ
saga999
They know we know the meta. So they have to do 2 fake outs to trick us.
わかってるよ、俺たちがメタを知ってるって向こうも気づいてるんだ。だから騙すために二重のフェイクアウトが必要ってわけだな。普通くん
letsgoToshio
Whenever a new character I kinda like is in danger, I tell myself that there's no way they're going to die so quickly because they're featured in the OP, but that clearly isn't enough to save anyone 😭
ふむ…新しき気に入りの者が危機に瀕するたび、拙者は「OPに出ておるゆえ、そう易々とは死ぬまい」と己に言い聞かせるのでござるが…それでは誰も救えぬと知るのみ。涙が止まらぬで候😭武士
raidensnakeezio
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I thought hanfu-man from the OP was going to be some literal reincarnation/flashback of Zhuge Liang, or Kaku cosplaying as some Three Kingdoms strategist, but it turns out it's a very literal dude. Shoutout for Takeuchi Shunsuke for voicing him, he gives the character a good amount of grounded gravitas and hard-boiled coolness, very much with what Yamadera Koichi does with Spike Spiegel amongst other characters.
OPに出てきた漢服の男、てっきり諸葛亮の生まれ変わりとか鶴が三国志の軍師コスしてるのかと思ったけど、まさかのガチの人物だったわ。声優の竹内俊輔はいい仕事してるね。山寺宏一がスパイク・スピーゲルとかでやってるみたいな、落ち着いた重厚感とハードボイルドなカッコよさをちゃんと出してる。普通くん
bushwarblerssong
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I was most looking forward to this episode in terms of seeing everyone's reactions. I think the Tonotsugu scene is a good reminder that even the most antagonistic characters aren't always as they seem in this story. And although the official twitter account will likely be sharing more information about his place in Yamato society, we know from Tamaki's own words that he suffered greatly from racial discrimination, but from the way he spoke to and of him, we can tell that Tonotsugu considered him a trusted friend. I do have some criticism about the choices Studio Kafka made about those two that I have to put in the source corner. I forgot to point out the portrait of Tsune-chan's mom last episode and also missed that there was lipstick on the teacup on his table when Aoteru barged in while he was buttoning his shirt and had disheveled hair. Then there was the pair of folding screens with the cranes during the banquet at Kanazawa castle, which I think has an artistic connection to the OP that I need to check again. We saw a flock of birds leaving Kanazawa this episode as well. The Higashiyama Chayagai or Higashi Chaya where Tonotsugu's group stays, is Japan's most famous geisha district after Kyoto's Gion and probably Kanazawa's second most popular tourist destination today. It was established in 1820 when the geisha tea houses below Kanazawa castle were forced to move outside the city center. (There are two other Kanazawa geisha districts, Nishi Chaya and Kazuemachi, but they're less famous.) We briefly see a red wall which the tea house Kaikarō is The Fukui Reihoku Castle where Ryūmon and Kaku wait is the Fukui Prefectural Government Office located in the Fukui Castle Ruins . I think it's the only prefectural office in Japan with a moat, covered bridge and 17th-century castle walls. Tedori Fishland is an old amusement park with fishing, a pet shop and an Ultraman museum. In Yamato, we had a reversal of Seii's version of 尊皇討奸 (sonnō tōkan) or "Revere the Emperor, Destroy the Traitors" and Sonnō jōi (尊王攘夷) or "Revere the King, Expel the Barbarians." In Seii, Aterui shouted, "Soni tōkan (尊夷討奸)" which means "Revere Seii, Destroy Traitors" but was translated as something else by Amazon if I remember correctly. This time, the Yamato people shouted "Ijin jōi (夷人攘夷)" which Amazon has translated as "Exterminate the Barbarians," but in Nippon Sangoku, "夷" and "夷人" refers to both to the Seii people and barbarians. I know some people are feeling down about the lack of attention on reddit and poor overseas rankings, but the OP has reached 2.8 million views, the anime goods are consistently selling out, the series has been in the weekly top 10 best-selling rankings since the show has aired and volume sales have surpassed 2 million, so I think it's fair to say that the anime has been a success.
今回のエピソードは、皆の反応を見るのが一番楽しみだった。トノツグのシーンは、この物語において最も敵対的なキャラクターでさえ、必ずしも一面的ではないという良いリマインダーだと思う。公式Twitterアカウントが彼の大和における立場についての情報をさらに共有するだろうが、タマキ自身の言葉から彼が人種差別に大いに苦しんだことは分かっている。しかしトノツグの彼に対する話し方から、彼がタマキを信頼できる友人と見なしていたことが伺える。スタジオカフカが二人に関して取った選択については、ソースコーナーで述べるべき批判もある。 前回のエピソードでツネちゃんの母親の肖像画を指摘し忘れたことと、アオテルが彼のシャツのボタンを留め髪を乱している時に押し入った際、テーブルの上のティーカップに口紅が付いていたのも見逃していた。それから金沢城での宴会の際の鶴の屏風は、OPと芸術的に関連があると思うので再確認が必要だ。今回のエピソードでも金沢を去る鳥の群れが見られた。 トノツグの一行が滞在する東山茶屋街(ひがし茶屋街)は、京都の祇園に次ぐ日本で最も有名な花街であり、今日ではおそらく金沢で二番目に人気のある観光地だ。1820年に金沢城下の芸妓茶屋が市中心部から移転を余儀なくされて設立された(金沢には他に西茶屋街と主計町茶屋街があるが、知名度は考察くん
bushwarblerssong
原文
Some new info from the anime's twitter account which adds some context to the actions of the Yamato characters from the previous episode: Satō was a clerk in Fukui until he was fired from his position and received over 50 lashes of the cane after defending a subordinate who was falsely accused of injuring a Taira official. When he was 30, Satō passed the Tōryūmon and entered government service. He governed Kuzuryū wisely and was very popular among the people. After her father died in the war against Buō when she was little, Hina Hiraizumi and her family moved to Fukui where her mother was from. While on her deathbed, Hiraizumi's mother told her daughter of her father's accomplishments and Hiraizumi became so moved that she decided to challenge the Tōryūmon. After she became a government official and stablemaster of Kuzuryū castle, she was promoted to assistant commander. When he was 17, Aterui gathered other delinquent youths from all over the region and established the "Kura Bōsōzoku gang," which wreaked havoc wherever they went. When he was 27, Aterui was forced to surrender to the Ginzan Security Troop led by Ouga. He then joined the security force himself. When Sugō was 19, he served in the war against Seii after which he was recruited by Ryūmon. When he tasted his first sugar cube, the impact was so great it was like being hit by lightning. But he ate so many sugar cubes that he was constantly scolded by his wife and is now limited to one cube per day. I think this was also brought up by Kaku in episode 3. Glossary ( 1 2 3 4 ) 【 愛踊須田亜 Aidoru Sutaa ("Idol Star") 】 Seii's most lively geisha troupe. Though nearly disbanded after a series of departures from key members, the three who remained decided to start anew. As a result of their persistent efforts, the troupe gained many fans and became a major hit in the industry. The title of their latest song is, "Sugar Cube at the Banquet." 【Members】 Minami・Crush (Left)* Ran・Tribute (Center) Fumie・Dopeness (Right)** *Could also be "Clash" or "Crash." They're all written the same in Japanese. **There's a rapper named Chinza DOPENESS . Maybe that's where Matsuki came up with the name?
【公式情報きたで!】 ・佐藤(青輝の元ネタ?): 福井の役人やってたけど、部下かばって鞭打ち50回食らってクビ→30歳で登龍門合格→九頭竜を上手く治めて人気者 ・平泉ヒナ: 幼い頃に父が武雄との戦争で戦死→母の故郷・福井に移住→母の遺言で父の功績知って感動して登龍門挑戦→九頭竜城の厩舎長から副将に昇進 ・アテルイ(青輝の若い頃): 17歳で不良集めて「蔵暴走族」結成して暴れまくる→27歳で平殿器の銀山警備隊に投降→そのまま警備隊に入隊 ・スゴウ(龍門にスカウトされた男): 19歳で征夷との戦争に従軍→龍門に引き抜かれる→初めて角砂糖食った衝撃で雷に打たれた気分に→奥さんに怒られて今は1日1個制限 ・【愛踊須田亜】: 征夷で一番ノリノリの芸者一座。主要メンバー脱退で解散寸前→残った3人で再スタート→努力が実って大ヒット。新曲「宴の角砂糖」 メンバー:ミナミ・クラッシュ(左)、ラン・トリビュート(センター)、フミエ・ドープネス(右) ※「クラッシュ」か「クラッシュ」かは日本語同じ表記らしい ※フミエの名前はラッパーのChinza DOPENESSから来てるかも これ2ちゃん
Doomroar
"Kura Bōsōzoku gang," They have motorcycles!?
「クラ暴走族のギャング」って、バイク持ってるのかよ!?普通くん
BosuW
Maybe it was on horseback?
馬の上だったんじゃない?それなら納得すぎるッ!感情くん
bushwarblerssong
No, it’s horses in this case.
いや、今回は馬やで。2ちゃん
koteshima2nd
I like that the spirit of idols still live on
それな!アイドルの魂がまだ生き続けてるのがエモすぎるッ!最高だよこの描写感情くん
koteshima2nd
Thanks for this write-up. It helps flesh out the details of the show and spot the details we've missed that may play a part in future episodes. I hope this show gets the popularity it deserves, this might be the show I am always looking forward to every week.
この解説ありがとう。見逃してた細かい伏線とか気づかされたわ。このアニメもっと評価されるべきだと思うし、毎週楽しみにしてる作品だね。普通くん
bushwarblerssong
Thank you for your kind words! I’ve just learned that 1 million volumes have been sold since the anime started, so season 2 may be guaranteed.
ありがとうッ!ついさっき知ったんだけど、アニメ開始から100万部突破してるらしい!これはシーズン2確定じゃない?嬉しすぎるッ!!感情くん
mekerpan
Where is Tamaki from? If they told us I forgot.
環ってどこ出身なんだっけ?説明あった気がするけど忘れたわ普通くん
bushwarblerssong
Osaka. He speaks in Osaka dialect and has Osaka mannerisms.
え、常ちゃん関西弁じゃん!しかも喋り方も関西人っぽくてやばくね?笑 キャラ立ってるわ〜ギャル
mekerpan
Thanks
ありがとうやで2ちゃん
Ok-Cod5254
Damn, I'm surprised how they endeared me to that little booger brat. lol
あれだけのガキンチョなのに、いつの間にか愛着湧いてたわ。笑普通くん
Distinct_War9796
he knows when to stop being a dihh
草、こいつ空気読めるやんwww2ちゃん
Ok-Cod5254
Already a better man than his father
もう父親より立派な人間になってるよな普通くん
Distinct_War9796
maybe hes just trying to survive the situation
ただ生き残ろうとしてるだけやろな2ちゃん
runevault
I'm not sure he's cunning enough to think that way. Especially if you buy the assumption Daddy Taira sent him to die to create make it even easier to sell the invasion proper. If Dad thought he was a valuable kid he wouldn't throw him away like that.
確かに青輝の狡猾さについては疑問が残るな。特に平殿器が彼を死地に送ったという前提を取るなら、むしろそれを利用して侵攻を正当化する布石にしたという考察ができる。父親が本当に価値ある子だと思ってたら、ああも簡単に捨て駒にはしないだろうしな。考察くん
mekerpan
Yes. I would say that he is smart enough to realize that his father intended him to die.
まあ、父親が自分を死なせようとしてたってことに気づける程度には賢いんだろうな。ドライおじ
runevault
原文
Honestly before this episode I wasn't sure if I gave him that much credit, but after today I've changed my mind. Kid isn't the smartest but he's smarter than I thought. There is a world where Daddy Taira regrets pissing off his kid, but we'll see if it comes to pass. Frankly I find Daddy to be a boring character who gets by on having massive political influence more than wits, at least relative to the actual military men.
正直、このエピソードまではあんまり評価してなかったんだけど、今日見て考え変わったわ。あの子は頭いい方じゃないけど、思ってたよりは賢いね。平殿器が自分の子を怒らせたことを後悔する未来もあるかもな。でも、実際にそうなるかはこれから次第。個人的には平殿器ってキャラ、政治力で押し通してるだけで頭の切れ味はイマイチだと思う。少なくとも本物の軍人たちと比べるとね。普通くん
mekerpan
I want to see Daddy T get the fate he deserves.
平殿器にはガチで相応の末路を迎えてほしいンゴwww2ちゃん
runevault
That moment will elevate this show a lot for me if it happens. I like the show now, but Taira and all the annoying idiots like the bootlickers from episode 2 drag it down from love for me.
もしそれが実現したら、この作品の評価が一気に上がるな。今も好きだけど、平殿とか第2話のイエスマンみたいなウザい連中が足引っ張ってて、ガチで好きになれないんだよな。普通くん
NoHead1715
> who gets by on having massive political influence more than wits, at least relative to the actual military men. You're massively underestimating Taira Denki if you think that way. Just the fact that he managed to gain such massive influence despite all the military men you think are smarter than him, shows that Denki's cunning is a cut above all of them.
平殿器って実際の武人連中と比べたら、頭脳より政治力でやってるってか? そう思うならお前、ガチで平殿器を舐めてるンゴwww お前が「頭いい」と思ってる連中がゴロゴロいる中で、あいつがここまでの影響力掴んだって事実だけで、平殿器の狡猾さは全員の上を行ってるって証拠やろ。2ちゃん
MonaganX
I don't think you need to be particularly cunning to show deference to the guy who just made it clear he's your only chance of survival. Only a complete idiot would still be talking crap in that situation. Either way, we'll know for sure if he's changed if he ever gets back into a position of power.
確かに、生き残るチャンスがそれしかないって分かってる相手に敬意を払うのは、別に賢くなくてもできることだよね。あの状況でまだ文句言ってる奴は完全なバカだけだ。いずれにせよ、もし彼がまた権力の座に戻った時に本当に変わったかどうか分かるだろうね。普通くん
Ok-Cod5254
For now he seems genuine.
今のところはマジで誠実そうじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
drt0
"Or maybe he's just being double-faced and using them while he needs them" - is what I was thinking during the episode, but usually they show characters inner thoughts when they are being deceitful or contemplating something, so this theory might not hold up.
確かにその考えもわかるけど、作中でキャラの内面描写を見せてる場面だと、騙したり何か企んでる時じゃん。だからその説はちょっと厳しいかもね。普通くん
AmusedDragon
His apology is probably just manipulation, but I'd also be lying if I didn't think for half a second that maybe he isn't so bad.
謝罪は多分ただの策略やろな。でも一瞬「こいつ実は悪くないんじゃね?」って思ったワイもおるンゴwww2ちゃん
Ok-Cod5254
So far I think he's been genuine after losing some people he actually did care about.
まじで今んとこ、あいつは本当に大事な人を何人か失った後は、本気で変わったっぽくない?泣けるわ〜ギャル
nnair25
Kaku really the only reason Sei could see defeat. But I am more curious if Denki Taira already was anticipating all this. He only really needed an excuse for Seii to start the war. Any casualties prevented is just a bonus.
鶴が青輝に敗北を見せた唯一の要因だな。ただ、俺がもっと気になるのは平殿器がこの展開を全て見越していたかどうかという点だ。彼は青輝に戦争を始めさせる口実さえあればよかった。防げた損害は単なるボーナスに過ぎないという考察ができる。考察くん
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
I think Taira expected it. Aoteru and Asama did speculate that the protests were orchestrated by someone so there will be pressure that will allow Taira to rally troops to the rescue. There is also Tonotsugu saying that what happened in Kanagawa was not in line with what his father told him.
平殿器は予想してたんじゃないかな。青輝と阿佐馬もデモは誰かが仕組んだって推測してたし、それで平殿器が軍を動員する口実ができる。あと殿継が「神奈川での出来事は父から聞いてた話と違う」って言ってたのも伏線っぽいね。普通くん
MoopDoopISmellPoop
Taira absolutely sent his son to die, and that would be the perfect excuse to get rid of Ryuumon and all his allies. Poor kid, his dad most likely told him it'd be a cake walk. I hated the little shit, but this episode absolutely endeared him to me. He didn't choose to be raised by an evil POS. He was doing what he was told and what he knew. He actually cared about his men, too.
平殿器は息子を確信的に死地に送ったな。そしてそれを口実に龍門とその一派を一掃するつもりだ。哀れな子よ、父親は「楽勝だ」とでも言って送り出したんだろう。正直あの小僧は嫌いだったが、今回のエピソードで一気に愛着が湧いた。彼は自ら進んで悪党の父親に育てられたわけじゃない。言われた通りに、知っている範囲で行動していただけだ。それに、実際には部下を思う気持ちもあったんだよな。考察くん
NoHead1715
Add to that what Sato said last episode, it's reasonable to believe that Denki was just using this opportunity to take over full military control. Sacrificing a son is worth it for him since he already has control of the court.
佐藤が前回言ってたことと合わせると、平殿器は今回の機会を利用して完全に軍の掌握を狙ってるって考えるのが妥当だよね。彼はすでに朝廷を支配してるから、息子一人犠牲にするのは安いもんなんだろうな。普通くん
Devoidoxatom
原文
yeah even last episode people were speculating about this already. seems to be hinted even more with the kid taira having some doubts about his father. basically the fat taira is a really cunning guy, he probably knows ryumon was right about not attacking seii, the only reason he still went on and forced the invasion is if he probably has some plans for it. last episode, the castellan said they should not ask for reinforcements and just wait for ryumon because if they did, it would be taira who comes in to save them and gain more power.
せやな、前回の時点でもうみんな予想してたやん。今回の話で平のガキが親父に疑問持ち始めてて、さらにその線が濃厚になったわ。要するにあのデブの平殿器はめっちゃ狡猾やで。龍門の言う通り聖夷攻めは正しくないって多分わかってる。それでも無理やり侵攻したのは、裏で何か企んでるからやろ。前回、城主が「援軍要請すんな、龍門を待て。もし呼んだら平が助けに来て権力増すだけや」って言ってたのがその証拠や。2ちゃん
NumberOneMom
He absolutely was expecting this and planned to sacrifice his son to justify eliminating Ryumon. Though with as much power as he has, does he really need an excuse to just kill him at any time?
確かに平殿器はこれを予想してた上で、自分の息子を犠牲にして龍門排除の大義名分を得ようとしてたよね。でもあれだけの権力持ってたら、わざわざ言い訳作らなくてもいつでも殺せそうなもんだけどな。普通くん
Distinct_War9796
he wants a reason to start the war
あいつ、戦争を始める口実が欲しいだけだろッ!感情くん
BosuW
He's trying to manipulate public opinion so maybe that's what it's about. If he just killed Ryumon without an excuse he would anger what remains of the country that isn't submissive to him but is not skeptical enough to see behind the performance.
あいつ世論操作しようとしてるんやろな。理由もなく龍門殺したら、まだ平殿器に従ってないけど演技の裏まで見抜けない連中がキレるやろし。2ちゃん
rockinalex07021
From what we can tell, he's sacrificing his son for the ultimate victory. Though it could still be a scheme that they agreed on to gain Goh's trust and get him to be on their side.
確かに、最終的な勝利のために自分の息子を犠牲にしてるっぽいな。でも、ゴウの信頼を得て味方につけるための、事前に合意した上での策略って可能性もあるかもね。普通くん
mekerpan
I assume his ultimate victory is something like eliminating his puppet emperor and making himself the emperor.
確かに!最終的に彼は傀儡の天皇を排除して、自ら天皇になるっていう展開だよね。それエモすぎるし、まじで優勝じゃん!感情くん
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
原文
What's with this series making me attached to characters then killing them off. I know I should have expected better but still😭. RIP Sato, Hiraizumi and Tamaki🕊 Sugoh claiming he isn't a superhuman is a big fat lie with the way he slaughtered the soldiers after him🧍‍♀️. I do feel sorry for Tonotsugu. At the end of the day, he's still a kid and unlike his father, he seems to care for his men. It must be really painful to learn that his father did not tell him the full danger he's walking into. Sugoh carrying him made him look so much his age and I teared up a bit with that shot🥹. I knew that suspicious "thief" Nagao's men ended up dismissing is important and I'm glad my hunch was right. It was just so suspicious that there's a lone person there out of all days. I do wonder what Aoteru realized. Is there someone else besides Taira that could mobilize forces? I am leaning more towards an Imperial Edict but it's going to take a lot of convincing on the Emperor for that to happen. Yet at the same time, if this is what exactly happens, the mobilisation would happen under his name and not Taira's. Which for the first time, would mark him gaining a bit of independence from him. Supporting this, Kaku did say previously that Aoteru should "Lie in firewood and persuade the heavens." I remember that Ancient Chinese Emperors were referred to as "Sons of Heavens" for they rule under the Divine Mandate. I'm not sure about "Lie on firewood" but I remember it referring to enduring hardship and humiliation for a greater goal. And with Aoteru saying that he doesn't mind sucking up to people to achieve his goal, I think this is what's going to happen the next we see him. That he's going to beg the Emperor to rally soldiers to support Ryumon.
このシリーズ、キャラに愛着湧かせといて殺すのやめてくれよ…分かってたけどやっぱり辛いわ😭 佐藤、平泉、玉城、安らかに🕊 須郷が超人じゃないって言うのはデタラメだろ、あの兵士たちの殺し方見れば分かるじゃん🧍‍♀️ 殿継はちょっと可哀想だな。結局まだ子供だし、父親と違って部下を大事にしてる。父親が危険を全部伝えてなかったって知ったのは相当キツかっただろうな。須郷に抱えられてる姿で年相応に見えて、ちょっとウルッときた🥹 長尾の怪しい「盗賊」が重要だって直感当たって良かった。あの日に限って一人だけいるって怪しすぎたんだよ。青輝が何に気づいたのか気になる。平以外に軍を動かせる奴って誰かいるのか?俺は勅命に一票だけど、天皇を説得するのは大変そうだ。でももしそうなったら、平の名前じゃなくて天皇の名前で動員されることになる。それが初めて、天皇が平から少し独立するってことになるんだよな。それを裏付けるように、鶴が前に「薪に臥して天を動かす」って言ってたんだよな。中国古代の皇帝は「天子」って呼ばれてたのを覚えてる。臥薪嘗胆は苦難に耐えるって意味だよな。青輝が「目的のためならゴマすりも厭わない」って言ってたし、次に見る時は天皇に頼んで龍門を支援する兵を集めてるん普通くん
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
Sugoh claiming he isn't a superhuman is a big fat lie with the way he slaughtered the soldiers after him Sugoh told no lies and he certainly would have died if not for Tonotsugu's timely intervention. In fact, it was Tonotsugu who gunned down all those Seii assassins Sugoh merely incapacitated. RIP random black attendant with a family. The Tairas definitely values their underlings who follow their orders without question. You don't have to like them, but gotta respect that. I knew that suspicious "thief" Nagao's men ended up dismissing is important and I'm glad my hunch was right. It was just so suspicious that there's a lone person there out of all days. Chekhov's thief (with the gun) stole the life of the guy who brushed him off lmao Nagao ended up being what he pegged Tonotsugu as initially--naive and arrogant--ironically was his downfall, while the latter showed maturity beyond his age.
スゴウの「超人じゃない」発言はガチで嘘やろwww あれだけ兵士を屠っておいて何言うてんねん でもトノツグの援護がなかったら確実に死んでたンゴねぇ。実際、セイイの暗殺者どもを仕留めたのはトノツグの方やしな 黒人の従者さん…家族おったやろうに可哀想で草 平家は命令に従う部下をちゃんと評価する姿勢、嫌いでもリスペクトはできるわ やっぱりあの怪しい「盗人」は重要人物やったか!ワイの勘が当たって嬉しいわ あの日だけポツンとおるのが怪しすぎたんよ チェーホフの盗人(銃持ち)が自分を追い払った奴の命を奪うの草生える 永尾は最初トノツグを「純真で傲慢」と評したけど、皮肉にも自分が同じ穴にハマって没落するとはな 対照的にトノツグは年齢以上の成熟見せとるわ2ちゃん
Jacob-C
Nagao’s attempt to murder 30,000 soldiers in their sleep, coupled with his smug comment about Sugoh’s wife after shooting him, had me celebrating when he died. His last thoughts about hoping that Ouga wouldn’t hate him managed to bring out the tiniest bit of sympathy from me, but no more than that.
永尾が3万の兵を寝込みで殺そうとしたり、須郷を撃った後に妻のことをほくそ笑んだりしてたから、彼の死は正直スッキリしたよ。最後に「平殿器に憎まれたくない」って思ってたのはちょっと同情したけど、それだけだな。普通くん
Namaryu
原文
Misumi looked at the frog and I decided to google "Frog Military Stragegy" and there exists something like that irl LOL. "The "poison frog" strategy is a defensive concept in military wargaming and geopolitical strategy. It describes how a smaller, outmatched state can deter a larger aggressor from seizing small territories by making the initial attack so costly, complex, and politically disastrous that the aggressor decides the target is not worth the prize"
おっ、Misumiがカエル見てたシーンから「蛙軍略」をググったのか。実際に存在するんだな。「毒蛙戦略」って軍事用語で、弱小国が強大な侵略者に対して「最初の一手を極めて高コストで政治的にも厄介なものにする」ことで、領土を取る価値がないと思わせる防衛戦略らしい。これはまさに大和国と聖夷国の力関係に当てはまるな。聖夷国が強大で、大和国が「取るに足らないが、手を出すと痛い目見る」存在として描かれている伏線かもしれない。考察くん
SgtExo
So a porcupine defense.
あー、つまりハリネズミ戦法ってことね!やばくね?笑ギャル
Hot-Log6283
I thought the frog just reminded him of what Kaku said about the tadpole before he left.
あの蛙は、鶴が去り際に言ってたオタマジャクシの話を思い出させただけなんじゃないかな。普通くん
SaltySpaniard
原文
Tonotsugu at least has a chance to become the leader his corrupt father won't be, and can even become a support character for Misumi in the long term. He's at least someone that can be in an interesting position, similar as some of what we've seen in animes like Kingdom. Also, as for the quote I feel the idea is to accept and ask for Taira's help in the short run in order to make the things bigger, but let's see because that conversation can be really interesting.
まあ殿継は父親の平殿器とは違うリーダーになれる可能性はあるな。長期的に見れば三角のサポーターにもなれるし、『キングダム』みたいな立ち位置だ。あの引用については、短期的に平の助けを借りて大きくするって考え方だろうな。今後の会話がどうなるか楽しみだ。ドライおじ
BrokeAFpotato
I feel like Tonotsugu will have a tragic end because of his father Denki Taira. In Tales of the Heike (check out the anime or the novel), Taira no Kiyomori manipulates Emperor Go-Shirakawa to consolidate his own powers. However, unlike Kiyomori, his children and grandchildren are genuinely good people but were dragged into war because of him.
確かに殿継は父親の平殿器のせいで悲劇的な結末を迎えそうだな。平家物語(アニメや小説おすすめ)だと平清盛が後白河天皇を操って権力固めるけど、その子や孫は善人なのに巻き込まれて戦に引きずり込まれるんだよな。普通くん
rockinalex07021
When he mentioned his family, that's already a red flag
家族の話が出た時点でフラグ立ちまくりやんwww2ちゃん
zellleonhart
Lie in firewood The word is 卧薪 and it came from the Chinese idiom 卧薪尝胆, literally translates to "sleep on firewood and eat gall bladders", which means "endure hardships to achieve one's ambition". You can read the origin of the idiom here if you want to know why firewood and gall bladders
「臥薪」という単語は、中国の故事成語「臥薪嘗胆」に由来する。直訳すると「薪の上に寝て、胆を嘗める」となり、「辛苦に耐えて志を成し遂げる」という意味だ。なぜ薪や胆なのか、気になる人は故事の出典を調べてみるといい。考察くん
Namaryu
I like how unpredictable this operation ahs been.
この作戦、ほんとに読めない展開だね。普通くん
FarCritical
Knew a miracle for Castellan Sato would've a pipe dream but it still stings. The final boss for Seii could very well be Sugoh running on two sugar cubes (arms optional)
分かってたけど佐藤城代の奇跡は夢物語だったか…でもやっぱり痛すぎるッ!征夷のラスボスが砂糖2個(腕はオプション)で走り回るスゴウってマジかよ。無理すぎる。感情くん
ThatOneRedditor6910
I can't believe they just slimed Tama right then and there this episode 😭💔
マジかよ…今回の話でタマがまんまとのされるとは思わんかったわ😭💔 ワイ涙止まらんンゴ…2ちゃん
sansisness_101
I thought the OP characters were guaranteed to live. This is AOT level trolling.
マジでOPキャラは死なないもんだと思ってたわ…これ進撃の巨人レベルの煽りじゃね?泣いた感情くん
Maybe_this_time_fr
It seems Tonotsugu suspect that his dad just used him as bait. He even bowed to the man he belittled and insulted. I really hope he will learn from this and actually becomes somewhat of an opponent to his father. Nagao choked hard and gonna cost his team a defeat.
この場面、殿継は父親に利用されただけだと察したんだろうな。あれだけ見下して侮辱していた相手に頭を下げるシーン、キャラの成長を示唆していると考察できる。長尾は完全にプレッシャーにやられてチームを敗北に導きそうだよな。この経験を糧に、殿継が父親に対抗できる存在になる展開を期待したい。考察くん
Successful-Peach-764
Yeah, snotty brat actually apologised and tried to redeem himself, I suspect his pops was sending him off to die, he seemed to realise he was expendable and was used in a grander plan his dad is orchestrating. The unique taira earlobes are nice way to identify their clan, seems like another one delivered the news about the castles falling to the general.
あの鼻垂れ小僧がちゃんと謝って償おうとしてたのな。多分父親に使い捨てにされかけてたんじゃないかな。自分がお父さんの大きな計画の駒にされてるって気づいたっぽい。平家独特の耳たぶで一族の見分けがつくのはいいね。城が落ちた知らせを将軍に伝えたのは別の平家の者みたいだ。普通くん
slewch2
Nagao sold
ワイ「長尾が売ったンゴwww」って草生えたわ2ちゃん
Maybe_this_time_fr
Bro choked at a crucial point.
大事な場面で詰まっちゃったな。普通くん
Agile_Variety_632
Fraud watch.
やばくね!?これ詐欺案件じゃん!まじで気をつけたほうがいいよ!ギャル
apgp123
sugoat holy shit
すげえ草www ガチでヤバいやん2ちゃん
Cook-Miserable
This show continues to impress, but I gotta shout out Kevin Penkin. He's absolutely killed it here, especially during the Taira/Sugoh scenes.
マジでこのアニメ毎回やばいんだけど!特にKevin Penkinの音楽が神すぎるんだけど笑 平殿器と桜虎のシーンとかまじでヤバかったよね〜!ギャル
SLE-6
Oh I didn't realize he was the composer for this! Makes a lot of sense now
あっ、こいつが作曲担当だったのか!それで納得やわwww2ちゃん
CozyHammock
i need to know the music that plays when the shooting happens
あの銃撃シーンのBGM、絶対に曲名知りたいんだけど!!あれエモすぎるッ!感情くん
the_wise_one_is_here
I've been trying to find that track for so long now 😭
あの曲ずっと探してたんだよね😭普通くん
szalhi
In which Tonotsugu gets a dose of reality.
常嗣が現実を思い知らされる回か…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
thisisdropd
As bratty as Tonotsugu may be, it must've been pretty heavy for him to swallow his pride and beg in such a manner to someone he'd just belittled throughout the entire mission. Have to give him credit for that. He could've just maintained his pride and refuse assistance, even though it would end fatally.
確かに殿継の態度は幼かったが、任務中ずっと見下していた相手に頭を下げて懇願するのは、プライドをかなり犠牲にしたはずだ。その点は評価できる。死を覚悟しても意地を貫く選択もできたわけで、彼なりの成長の証と考察できる。考察くん
Devoidoxatom
i hope the kid turns a new leaf from this. im glad sugoh didn't die. and man, the borderland troops are hard carrying yamato
この一件で青輝が改心してくれればいいな。スゴウが死ななくて良かったよ。それにしても、辺境軍が大和を支えてる感じがすごいな。普通くん
2kenzhe
原文
Ok nice development for the brat. He's still a brat but at least he's learned some manners. Just took the lives of those he actually cared about like Tama. RIP. Seems he was just set up by his shitty father after all. Can we please just kill that fatso Tiara already. Anyways for Ryuumon we can't let him die anyways. Maybe one day he'll replace his stupid dad but who knows what would be better best if the Tiara clan just disappeared. Anyways they managed to survive and escape nice. Also killed one of the Wajima simps. Dude's not really a big blow though like honestly. All dude has done was get whipped and party lol. Still wasn't expecting Nagao to die so easily and quickly, although he was obviously making a mistake. This show really has no problem killing some named characters. Like I expected Tama to maybe survive but nah. Also starting to see the facial hair for Kaku now. I wonder why before we didn't see anything. At the end it seems Aoteru figured something out? What's the plan now? Also so is the protests for war etc Tiara's doing or actually part of the plan? Well probably just accounted for not started by Kaku etc. Also RIP Castellan Sato and his soldiers. I knew they had no chance of survival, but they did good against overwhelming forces.
ふむ、あの小僧にもようやく成長の兆しが見えてきたな。まだ小僧ではあるが、礼儀らしきものを覚えたようだ。ただタマたち、本当に大事にしていた者たちを失ってからのことだが。やはりあのクソ親父に嵌められたわけか。あのデブのティアラはとっとと殺してしまいたいものだ。 龍門については、死なせるわけにはいかない。いずれあの愚かな父親に取って代わる日が来るかもしれないが、ティアラ一族が消え去るのが最善だろう。ともあれ、彼らは生き延びて脱出に成功したようだ。ついでに輪島の信者の一人も仕留めた。とはいえ、あいつは大した損害にはならない。鞭打たれてパーティーやってただけの男だしな。 長尾があれほどあっさり死ぬとは予想外だった。明らかにミスを犯してはいたが。この作品は本当に名前のあるキャラを平気で殺すな。タマはもしかしたら生き残るかと思ったが、そんなことはなかった。鶴に髭が生え始めているのも気になる。なぜ今まで見えなかったんだろう。最後のシーンで青輝が何かに気づいたように見えたが、今後の計画はどうなる? 戦争を求めるデモはティアラの仕業なのか、それとも計画の一部なのか。おそらくは想定内で、鶴たちが仕組んだわけではないだろう。佐渡城代とその兵士たちにも哀悼を。生き残る見込みはないと分かっていながら、圧倒的な戦力相手に立派考察くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
They didn’t bring enough men to take down Sugoh. Bro was tied up and absolutely stomped those 4 dudes. Absolute monster. Y’know, I hate that little snot nosed brat but I gotta hand it to him for not just shitting his pants and doing fuck all when they got attack and also realizing this was HIS fuck up. This might be a real changing point for the little shit. For his part, Muuton tipped his hand too early. Dude should never have deviated from the plan. Now the city’s fallen and Wajima is the one in trouble. I’m curious what Misumi just realized about the situation. Taira’s puppet mastering shit right? But what else?
杉虎を倒すには人数が足りなかったンゴwww 縛られた状態であの4人をボコボコにしたんか…マジモンのモンスターやな。あのガキンチョはクソ嫌いやけど、襲われた時にパンツ漏らして何もしなかったわけじゃなくて、自分が原因やと気づいたのは認めたるわ。これでクソガキも変わるとこあるかもな。ムートンは手の内見せすぎや。計画から逸脱するべきじゃなかったンゴ。もう街は落ちたし、今度は輪島がピンチやん。ミスミが状況で何か気づいたのも気になるわ。平の傀儡操りってとこやろ?他にもなんかあるんか?2ちゃん
NanDemoKnaives
原文
What a surprising turn of events, Tonotsugu actually got humbled and apologized to Sugoh out of his own volition. I'm glad he was able to realize he was wrong and knew to go to him when this all happened, it's fortunate that Nagamine had already made preparations and was able to save them.  It's sad about Tamaki, it did seem like flags were being raised, but I was hoping Sugoh would have said something sooner. It was interesting to learn he was playing a character, I thought we were going to see more about his character in this story being the only part-black character.  Nagao messed up though, I wonder how Wajima is going to react to this or did she plan for something like this with that handwritten letter. She's a lot more cunning than she appears, so I wouldn't be surprised she used Nagao's feelings.
今回の展開は興味深いな。殿継が自らの意志で素郷に謝罪したのは、彼の内面に変化が生じた証拠だ。長嶺が事前に準備していたから救えたという点も、伏線として見事だと思う。 玉城の件は確かにフラグが立っていたが、素郷がもっと早く打ち明けていれば防げたかもしれない。彼が“キャラを演じていた”という設定は、唯一の黒人キャラとしての描写を深める可能性を感じさせるだけに惜しい。 長尾の失態は大きい。輪島がこの事態をどう見るか、あるいはあの直筆の手紙で長尾の感情を利用する狡猾な策を仕込んでいた可能性も考慮すべきだ。彼女は見かけ以上に計算高いからな。考察くん
Shimmering-Sky
原文
Good luck with that… So that’s how Ohga sees Ryumon’s move, huh? Hooboy… Ah lovely, racism still exists. I assume that person wasn’t actually a thief? Yeah… no… RIP. Dang, Sugoh’s got some moves . Oh… wow, Tonotsugu was behind the gunfire. Holy shit… Ah fuck– Shimmering sky though. Aha, there’s the so-called thief. And he killed Nagao… Nice. Ugh, of course… I wonder what Aoteru suddenly thought of.
平殿器はそういうふうに龍門の動きを見てるのか…なるほどな。ああ、差別はまだあるんだね。あの人は本当は泥棒じゃなかったんだろうな…うん…ダメだ。逝ったか。スゴウの動きやばいな。あ、殿継が銃撃の黒幕か…やべえ…くそっ。でも空がキラキラしてる。ああ、いわゆる泥棒が出てきた。で、ナガオを殺した…よし。うっ、やっぱりな…青輝が急に何を思いついたのか気になる。普通くん
rockinalex07021
The way you see Muuton's light fading from his eyes was animated beautifully
ムートンの目から光が消えていく描写、作画ガチで綺麗やったわ…草2ちゃん
ElliotAlderson2024
I thought for sure he was going to succeed and then to be snuffed out at the last moment was a shocker.
マジで!?成功するかと思ったのに最後の最後で消されるなんて衝撃的すぎじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
amilnal
It was a nice touch
確かにいい味出てたンゴwww2ちゃん
Imaginary_Dig9989
no side characters have plot armor in this show
このアニメ、脇キャラに都合のいい生存補正(プロットアーマー)なんて一切ないんだよな普通くん
Prakash0807
Nagao absolutely bottled it in the last minute man.
マジで長尾、ラストでやらかしすぎじゃない!?笑ギャル
thisisdropd
原文
I knew it's coming but I felt bad for Hiraizumi and Sato. For all their chivalrous act only to be wiped out instantly. Granted, it's not like they stood any chance and at the very least they died with pride and dignity. Sugoh claimed to not be superhuman but it's still an impressive feat to beat a couple of men of his own while being completely tied. That was a badass move to strike one of the men in a vital spot and giving the rest an opportunity to seek medical help. As badass as Sugoh might be, he's only human and had his limits. I didn't expect Tonotsugu to eventually come to the rescue. Or that he'd eventually see the errors of his way and profusely apologise to Sugoh while bowing. He's been raised in a shitty environment, and this looked to be the chance for him to step outside of it and grow on his own. His confrontation with Denki's sure to be great once he returned home. My wife's slap hurt more Lmao, what a way to taunt the Seii soldiers. Sugoh's definitely among my favourite of the Yamato people outside of Ryuumon and his subordinates. There's no way that long-haired man wouldn't be relevant and turned out he's there to rescue Tonotsugu and Sugoh under Kaku's order. Yeah, Kaku's a master at 4D chess with his rescue plan. Clever to have Nagamine disguise himself as a common thief and thus be overlooked by Seii's scouts.
平泉と佐藤の最期には胸が痛むな。あの騎士道精神溢れる行動も虚しく一瞬で蹴散らされたわけだが。そもそも勝ち目がなかったとはいえ、誇りと尊厳を持って散った点は評価できる。須郷は超人を自称しないが、完全に縛られた状態で同格の男たちを倒すのはやはり圧巻の技量だ。急所を突いてから残りに医療を促す判断力も見事だった。 須郷がどれだけ強くとも人間である以上限界はある。殿継が助けに来るとは予想外だった。ましてや自らの過ちを認め、土下座して謝罪するとは。彼は劣悪な環境で育ったが、ここがその殻を破って成長する分岐点だったのだろう。帰還後の伝機との対決が非常に楽しみだ。「妻のビンタの方が痛かった」発言で征夷兵を挑発するとは笑ったな。 須郷は龍門とその部下を除けば大和国で最も好きなキャラクターの一人だ。あの長髪の男が重要キャラでないわけがなく、案の定、鶴の指令で殿継と須郷を救出に来ていた。鶴の救出計画は四次元チェスのようだ。長嶺を一般の盗賊に偽装させ、征夷の偵察網を潜り抜けるとは実に巧妙な策略と言える。考察くん
_WrongKarWai
Yup and had to throw an elaborate ruse b/c of all the spies that exist
それな。スパイだらけだからこそ、あんな入念な偽装作戦を仕込まなきゃいけなかったんだよな…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
Castor_0il
Ah, F you. I wanted to keep loathing on snotty Taira brat.
あーもう、マジかよ。あの高慢ちきな平家のガキを嫌い続けたかったのに。普通くん
Chrono-Helix
Maybe when he gets snotty it’s like a split personality
やばくね!?鼻水出してるときって、なんかもう一人の人格みたいになってるってことじゃん笑ギャル
orangeoldfish
原文
Great to finally see this moment of Taira Tonotsugu from the OP happen in the actual show and understand the full context. Those snapshots in the OP all seem to depict the characters with their true personalities but Tonotsugu's always stood out to me. It didn't match his entitled brat personality that had been previously shown to us and I thought that perhaps his scowl was directed at Sugoh in some pivotal moment of betrayal of the Borderlands Army. Now I know that his face is dirty and bruised from narrowly escaping death and he's actually riding on the shoulders of Sugoh shortly after taking the lives of many Seii soldiers, saving Sugoh's life.
OPで見えた平殿器のあのシーンがついに本編で来て、全体の文脈が分かって良かった。OPのスナップショットはどれもキャラの本当の姿を映してる感じだけど、殿器のは特に気になってたんだよな。今まで見せられてた傲慢なガキってイメージと合わなくて、もしかして青輝に対する裏切りの場面で睨んでるのかと思ってた。実際は死線をくぐり抜けて顔は泥と傷だらけで、多くの聖夷兵を倒して青輝の命を救った直後に肩車されてるって分かったわ。普通くん
sukeban
...Giving a last look of sadness/regret at Tamaki's corpse.
…最後に環の死体を悲しみと後悔のこもった目で見つめるんやな。ワイ泣いてもうたわ…。2ちゃん
orangeoldfish
Are you saying Tonotsugu's making that facial expression looking back at Tama's corpse? That isn't true - that frame immediately cuts to a wide shot of two dead Seii soldiers that Tonotsugu shot, one of them centered in the frame with a bloody bullet hole in their left eye.
いや、殿継がタマの死体を見てあの表情をしてるって?違うよ。あのカットの直後に、殿継が撃った聖夷兵士2人の引きの画が入ってて、そのうち1人は左目に血まみれの弾痕があって中央に映ってるんだ。普通くん
sukeban
Ah, you're right. I misremembered then.
あーせやな、ワイの記憶違いやったわ。2ちゃん
i_eat_pidgeons
they really pulled off the "call the ambulance! but not for me" move twice in one episode
確かに、同じ回で「救急車呼べ!…いや、俺のはいらねぇ」を2回もやってのけるとは思わなかったわ普通くん
Chrono-Helix
Wasn’t expecting Sugoh to kick so much ass with his arms tied behind his back. If Ryuumon and the other generals are at his level, why isn’t Yamato already ruling the land? Wow they somehow redeemed Taira Junior. And my speculation that his father might not really care about him could be right.
須郷があの状況で腕を縛られながらもあれだけ奮戦するとは予想外だったな。龍門や他の将軍たちが彼と同格なら、なぜ大和国がすでに天下統一していないのかという疑問が湧く。そして平殿器の息子をまさかここで救済するとは。父が彼を本当に気にかけていないという俺の考察も、どうやら正しかったようだ。考察くん
mekerpan
>> why isn’t Yamato already ruling the land? The professional experienced generals prefer stability and peace....
それな!大和がもう全部治めてるわけじゃないんだよね〜。ベテラン将軍たちは平和と安定を優先してるから、いきなり支配とかしない感じ!まじで現実的じゃん笑ギャル
sansisness_101
That bum Nagao finally gone 🥹🥹
長尾がやっと消えたか…🥹🥹普通くん
AdellheidV
Sugoh THE GOAT
杉本ガチで神やんwww2ちゃん
GrimMind
Best episode so far. Not that any previous episode before was bad, but payoff is better than setup if the setup is superb.
今までで一番のエピソードだった。前回までが悪かったわけじゃないけど、ここまでの伏線が完璧だったからこそ回収がそれを超えてくる感じ。普通くん
Atefstar123
The soundtrack this episode had me fucking floating
この回のサントラ、ガチで浮遊感やばかったンゴwww2ちゃん
AmusedDragon
The show actually got me with a couple of those fake-outs.
やばっ!このアニメ、フェイク演出に何回かまんまと引っかかっちゃったんだけど笑ギャル
Ok-Cod5254
Yeah, because it's already shown how they can kill people off so easily. lol So the actual "stakes" are consistently there.
確かに!もう簡単に主要キャラを殺せるって見せられてるからな。笑 だから本当の「緊張感」がずっと続いてるのがヤバいッ!感情くん
Andreiyutzzzz
Props to Tonotsugu for admitting when he's wrong
トノツグが自分の間違いを認めたのは偉いね普通くん
Nachtwandler_FS
It is really nice that there are a lot of competent characters in the series, but seems like Aoteru will do something himself next episode at last.
確かに有能なキャラ多すぎだけど、次回ついに青輝が動くっぽいのがエモすぎるッ!感情くん
PeaceAlien
That kid was so incompetent here, I forgot they were on the same side when the guy saved the kid.
あのガチで使えなさすぎじゃん!?助けた側と同じチームっての忘れてたわ笑ギャル
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
You know things are getting serious when Seii's foot soldiers are taking off their hoods Sugoh is hard boiled. It's so tough to root against Yamato when they've got a plethora of high-charater, charismatic individuals practically leading the charge. I knew not to underestimate Tonotsugu from the start. Sure he's bratty, but kids that age are impressionable and considering who his father is, it's really unfair to judge the kid for being haughty and being a general pain in the ass. Everyone has merit--even one as sensitive as Taira Denki himself. Tonotsugu bowing his head in apology and shame to Sugoh got me so pumped up at the potential equal partnership based on respect they could build and develop moving forward (as mentor and mentee of sort) after going through such an ordeal. Nagao reeked of death flags and while I was still on the edge of my seat the entire time, I wasn't surprised with the conclusion of the night raid. You hate to see someone get too big headed with their success that they start to believe they're actually the main character of the story lol
せい政権の兵隊がフード脱いだ時点でガチ展開やんwww 須郷めっちゃハードボイルドやな。大和側にカリスマ揃いすぎて応援しづれーわ。ワイは最初から殿継を舐めてなかったで。確かにガキだけど、あの年頃って影響されやすいし、父親考えたら傲慢さを責めるのは酷やろ。誰にでも長所はある——平殿器みたいな繊細な奴でもな。殿継が須郷に頭下げて謝ったシーンでワイのテンション爆上がりや。あの試練乗り越えた後の師弟関係的な互いを尊重する対等なパートナーシップに期待しかないわ。長尾は死亡フラグ立ちまくってたし、夜襲の結末には驚かんかったけど最後までハラハラしとったわ。成功で調子乗って自分が主人公やと勘違いする奴は見てて辛いなw2ちゃん
Automatic_Zombie8108
I'm not holding my breath since this is a Seinen with no qualms about killing characters, but I feel like it's possible for people to survive when no body is shown (Hiraizumi). Significant panel in the OP to only be in 8 minutes of the show seems like a waste.
この作品は容赦なくキャラを殺す青年漫画だから過度な期待はできないが、遺体が確認されていない場合(平泉)は生存の可能性はあると思われる。OPで重要なカットがわずか8分の本編でしか使われないのは、制作陣の意図を考えると無駄に映るという考察ができる。考察くん
letsgoToshio
I originally thought she would survive the battle and regroup with Ryumon's troops. Given that we never actually saw her die, I still think this is a possibility, but yeah, being in the OP clearly doesn't mean shit in terms of whether you'll survive longer than an episode or two.
最初はあのキャラ、戦いを生き延びて龍門の部隊と合流すると思ってたんだよね。実際に死ぬシーンはなかったし、今でもその可能性はあると思う。でもOPに出てるからって1〜2話以上生き残れる保証にはならないってことだな。普通くん
Automatic_Zombie8108
Yeah I don’t think being in the OP prevents death, but I do think it might stop a character from being off-screened after less than ten minutes of screen time
まじそれな!OPに出てるだけで死亡フラグ回避できるとは思わないけど、少なくとも10分未満の出演で画面外で消されることはないんじゃない?てかそれだけでもありがたいわ笑ギャル
MrRoundDB
think she and her higher ups were names that were in the details of the scroll that the messenger passed to Ryumon
彼女とその上司の名前は、使者が龍門に渡した巻物の詳細に書かれていたんだと思うよ普通くん
runevault
That could just be presumed casualties because they were known to be assigned to that location, I doubt they dug through the bodies to find all the officers.
それ単にその場所に配属されてたから死んだって推定しただけじゃね? いちいち死体漁って将校全員特定したとは思えんわ2ちゃん
Jacob-C
Let me huff some of that copium, because I also hope that she's still alive.
確かに俺もまだ生きてるって信じたいわ。一緒に現実逃避しようぜ。普通くん
runevault
I won't be shocked if she's dead, but unless I see a body I don't believe it.
死んでても驚かないけど、遺体を見るまでは信じないッ!感情くん
Jacob-C
Agreed
確かに普通くん
itsme-j
Yo también pensaba que hiraizumi podria estar viva (porque aparece en el opening,pudo haber sido tomada como prisionera, o yo que se) pero ahora viendo que tamaki y nagao aparecen en el op y estan muertos, no creo que ella siga con vida
平泉が生存している可能性を考えていたが(OPに登場している、囚われている可能性、あるいは何らかの理由で)、今、環と長尾がOPに登場しているにもかかわらず死亡しているのを見ると、彼女が生きているとは思えないという考察ができる。考察くん
bushwarblerssong
It’s a little confusing because they show it after he’d already flipped through the pages, but she was listed as passed in the line of duty along with Satō in the book that Shōgi Taira (the Fukui district governor) gave to Ryūmon.
確かにちょっと混乱するよね。ページをめくった後に出てくるから、平正義(福井地方官)が龍門に渡した書類で、彼女が佐藤と同じく殉職扱いになってたってことか。普通くん
Distinct_War9796
anyone knows the soundtrack's name in the end of the episode?
あの最後の曲の名前知ってる人いる?めっちゃ気になるんだけど!ギャル
letsgoToshio
If you mean the ED playing over the credits, it's called Chikai (Oath) by Leina
EDがクレジットで流れてたやつのことなら、Leinaの「Chikai (Oath)」って曲だね普通くん
Distinct_War9796
I meant the ost played when Nagao dies, but thanks anyways.
いや、長尾が死ぬ時に流れたOSTのこと言ってたんやけど、まあ教えてくれてありがとさん。2ちゃん
UnloadedFour314
Incredible episode! That snotty brat might have redeemed himself. Ngl I was so afraid for Sugoh the entire time since the author hadn't hesitated to kill-off seemingly important characters thus far. Things keep getting more interesting and I'm sure our main duo will have an important role to play, considering the turmoil brewing in the capital.
すごい回だったな!あの生意気なガキもちょっと見直したかも。正直ずっとSugohが心配だったよ、これまで重要そうなキャラも平気で殺してきたからさ。どんどん面白くなってきてるし、首都で騒乱が起きそうだから、主人公コンビは重要な役割を果たすんだろうな。普通くん
AHRogue
Im a bit surprised so few Yamato soldiers died in Kanazawa, I guess the idea is the night raid was more dealing with the officers?
金沢で大和兵の死者が少なかったのは意外やな。夜襲って将校狙いってことか?2ちゃん
ElliotAlderson2024
Yeah the raid was intended to kill the top officers.
あの襲撃は上層部を狙ったものだったんだな。普通くん
Silver_Shelter_5153
Because they are heavily outnumbered. 30 000 soldiers is no joke, and they cannot pull up any secret ambush because the plan was supposed to be just to stall for time
そりゃそうだろッ!30000の兵舐めてかかれないし、そもそも時間稼ぎの予定だったのに伏兵なんて用意できるわけないじゃん!無理すぎる……感情くん
AfterOwlsStudio
Any similar anime? I'm quite enjoying this.
これに似たアニメある?結構ハマってるんだよね普通くん
Smoc_Smocer
i was so expecting hiraizumi to live
平泉生きると思ってたンゴwww 完全に予想外やったわ2ちゃん
BigBuford1337
Kaku is him.
鶴まじでやばくね!?あのキャラ神すぎるんだけど笑ギャル
Scythe351
Intro had me fooled that the black dude would get more screentime and have a meaningful role. First I thought "don't answer the door"! Then I thought "even though it wasn't in the intro, I guess he's gonna survive with a face scar." And finally they picked some holes in him and I have to assume that's a wrap on his story. Derp
オープニングで黒人のキャラにもっと出番があって意味のある役割があると思ってたよ。最初は「ドア開けるなよ!」って思ったし、次に「オープニングにはなかったけど、顔に傷あと残して生き残るのかな」って考えた。最後にいくつか穴開けられて、もう彼の話は終わりってことか。残念だな。普通くん
ElliotAlderson2024
I like that major side characters don't get plot armor.
まじでそれな!主要なサイドキャラにご都合主義の無敵設定がないの、めっちゃいいよね笑ギャル
Golden_fsh
Not much to say except another great episode!
またもや神回だったね!普通くん
Nickthenuker
原文
Huh. A dispatch from the CiC? So, that's the situation. They're consolidating their position? I mean they're not exactly there to hold territory... They're meant to be tripwire forces. Congratulations, the tripwire forces have done their job and been tripped. Now you know they're coming, from which direction, and in what strength. Yep. Well, can't have them all but they can spring the trap on whoever's here. And yep they got the dispatch runner before he could deliver the dispatch. So, orders from up top. Huh. Someone spotted them? And so time to carry out the operation. So, the kid saved him. Right. Time to resolve this mess. Yep. They managed to save the army. Time to counter-counterattack. And it seems the public is in a furor. Huh. So, more politicking? Where's he going?
ふむ、CiCからの急使か。状況が見えてきたな。つまり彼らは陣容を固めている?いや、領土を保持するためにいるわけじゃない…あくまでトリップワイヤー(迎撃の引き金)部隊だ。やったな、トリップワイヤー部隊がその役目を果たして「踏まれた」。これで敵の進軍方向と戦力が判明した。全員を捕捉はできないが、ここにいる部隊で罠を仕掛けられる。そして急使は届く前にやられたと。上からの命令か。誰かが敵を発見した?ならば作戦決行の時だ。つまり若造(青輝)が彼を救ったと。よし、この混乱を収める時だ。軍は救われた。反撃への反撃だ。そして世論は騒然としている。ふむ、さらに政治工作が絡むのか?彼はどこへ向かう?考察くん
NoRelease2871
I know this show is based on a post-apocalyptic future, but so many of the plot points would fall apart if someone just had a basic radio. Even a pigeon carrier would solve all the problems...
確かにこの作品は終末後の世界が舞台だけど、基本の無線すらあれば崩れる話の展開多すぎない?伝書鳩すらあれば全部解決するのに…普通くん
Simple_Ant_9269
Here is my quick take on Nippon Sangoku: Episode 7 Recap Previous Episodes Recap: Nippon Sangoku: Episode 5 Recap Nippon Sangoku: Episode 6 Recap
エピソード7やばすぎるッ!振り返りも合わせて見たけど、5話も6話もエモすぎて泣いた。このアニメ優勝しすぎだろッ!感情くん
HajeeshSplakeesh
Bro I thought the little shit would continue to be a little shit but I got a little respect for the little shit now dudes kinda handy with a gun! 🤣
おい、あのクソガキはずっとクソガキのままだと思ってたけど、ちょっと見直したわ。あいつ銃の扱い結構うまいじゃん!🤣普通くん
shico12
原文
I must be the only one who's not moved by the kid's 'turnaround'. of COURSE you would ask for help seeing all that just happened. Let's see what happens when he gets back to yamato (if he does). Or am I just heartless? The plot twist to the plot twist was good. Didn't feel cheap, although it was predictable - good storytelling/direction. Also, that letter might have messed the whole thing up for Seii. Classic case of throwing brains away when dealing with pretty women . . .
あの少年の「改心」に感動してないのは俺だけか……あれだけの惨状を目撃したら、そりゃ助けを求めるに決まってる。問題は大和に戻った後だ(もし戻れたとしてだが)。俺が冷たいだけか? あの二重のどんでん返しは良かった。予想はできたが安っぽくない——優れたストーリーテリングだな。 あと、あの手紙が青輝の計画を台無しにした可能性が高い。美人に弱い男の典型例だよな……考察くん
Jacob-C
原文
This show is sooo peak! They managed to more or less redeem the little Taira in one episode. I hated him before this. The conversation between him and Sugoh, and the moment when Sugoh put him on his back, was so cool and endearing! Also, RIP bozo Nagao. I hope Ouga despises him and his memory, because her recognition was all he ever really wanted. His nighttime raid really rubbed me the wrong way. Sure, it’s a strategically sound choice if you’re winning the war. But if you kill 30,000 soldiers in their sleep and still lose, best believe the enemy’s retribution is going to be even more brutal. Besides, it’s the soldiers on the side I’m rooting for that he was trying to slaughter. When he was shot, right after asking Sugoh if the gunshot wound he had just given him hurt more than his wife’s slaps, which was infuriatingly smug, I was celebrating and throwing middle fingers at my screen. On the other hand, it might be best if Ouga did reciprocate his feelings, and he was left to do irrelevant tasks because she didn’t want him to get hurt. After seeing her army hang defeated enemies from trees, I wouldn’t mind seeing her in absolute despair. I get it, war is brutal, but if they commit unnecessary savagery, I won’t feel bad when they face the repercussions.
このアニメマジで神回だわ!たった1話で平の小僧をちゃんと挽回してくれた。前まではクソ嫌いだったけどな。彼とスゴウの会話、スゴウが背負ってやったシーンはめっちゃカッコよくて感動したわ。永尾はざまあww。オウガが彼の記憶も含めて軽蔑してくれたらいいのに。だって彼が本当に欲しかったのは彼女の承認だけだったんだから。夜襲はマジでムカついたわ。確かに戦略的には正しい選択かもしれない。でも3万人の兵士を寝込みで殺して負けたら、敵の報復はもっとヤバくなるに決まってる。しかも俺が応援してた側の兵士を殺そうとしてたんだぜ。スゴウに「奥さんの平手より痛いか?」って聞いた直後に撃たれた時は、マジで画面に向かって中指立てて喜んでたわ。でもオウガが彼の想いに応えて、ケガさせたくないから雑用ばかりさせるのがベストかもね。彼女の軍が敗北した敵を木に吊るすのを見た後は、彼女が絶望に陥るのも見てみたい気がする。戦争が残酷なのは分かってるけど、不必要な蛮行をやるなら報いを受けても同情はしないわ。普通くん
ElliotAlderson2024
That little snot nosed shit can't be redeemed, neither can the Tairas.
あのクソガキは更生できねえよ、平家も同じだわ。マジで救いようがねえンゴwww2ちゃん
Gvascons
The operation kind of threw me off a little actually. I hate these DeusExMachina moments where a guy tied up (even though trained) manages to beat armed soldiers and afterwards survives because someone else came in clutch (which happened twice here). But yeah, let’s see how it goes.
確かにこの作戦はちょっと引っかかったな。縛られた状態で武装した兵士に勝って、しかも2回も誰かが助けに来るってのは、ちょっとご都合主義すぎる気がする。でもまあ、今後の展開次第だね。普通くん