#8日本三國
a1oner_bvcksn6
The manliest of bluffs that even the heavens had no choice but to oblige. *Goosebumps * Ryumon Mitsuhide, you are a god amongst men. No wonder in your absolute presence, a tiger could only run away with its tail tucked behind its back.
マジで男の中の男すぎる。天でさえ従わざるを得ない度胸だわ。*鳥肌立った* 龍門光英、お前は人間を超えた存在だよ。その圧倒的存在感の前じゃ虎だって尻尾巻いて逃げるしかないのも納得。普通くん
PeaceAlien
He's just sitting there... menacingly!
座ってるだけなのに…威圧感やばすぎンゴwww2ちゃん
InvincibleWallaby
Man is just sitting there doing his tea ceremony, gets shot without a word and put on fire from his lantern on top of it Just according to keikaku (Translator’s note: Keikaku means plan)
茶会やってただけの男が何も言われずに撃たれて、その上ランタンで火つけられて燃やされる。まさに計画通りだな。普通くん
mekerpan
Yes. The menacing-ness is solely in Wajima's own head. He is just sitting there is a completely peaceful and unconcerned manner....
まあ、威圧感があるのは輪島の頭の中だけだな。実際はただ平然と座ってるだけだろう。ドライおじ
maliwanag0712
The manliest of bluffs that even the heavens had no choice but to oblige. The punchline is that the heavens heard his aura farming and it started raining. What a man.
天すらも従えし、この世で最も男らしき虚勢よ。笑いどころは、奴のオーラ農耕が天に届き、雨を降らせたことだ。なんたる漢よ。中二病
Reyza14
Rain is the tears of the gods witnessing pure peak
雨は、至高の瞬間を目撃した神々の涙なんだね普通くん
mekerpan
Tears of joy? of relief? of laughter?
泣いた。嬉し涙なのか安堵なのか笑いなのかもうわかんないけどとにかく泣いた。エモすぎるッ!感情くん
NoHead1715
More like the sweat of gods wondering if it will end on a cliffhanger.
まるで神々の汗が、物語が尻切れトンボで終わるかどうかで震えているかのような緊張感よな。中二病
Jauretche
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Amazing scene. Predators often rely on instinctive expectations: prey is supposed to panic, freeze, or run. When something stands its ground without hesitation, it can trigger caution instead. There’s some truth to this in nature. Even large animals like elephants may retreat from humans behaving in unexpectedly fearless ways, not necessarily out of fear, but because unusual behavior can signal unknown risk. Predators and wild animals often avoid fights they can’t confidently win.
すごいシーンだったな。捕食者は獲物がパニックになったり固まったり逃げたりするのを本能で期待してる。そこをまったく怯まずに立ち向かうと、逆に警戒させるんだよね。自然界でもこれって実際にある話で、ゾウみたいな大型動物だって人間が予想外に勇敢だと退くことがある。必ずしも恐怖からじゃなくて、異常な行動は未知のリスクを示すから。捕食者や野生動物は確実に勝てない戦いは避けるんだよ。普通くん
Herr_Eusebius
The guy who stood there during the test ready for what comes now sits there ready for what comes. Greatest badass of all doesn’t have to make the first move-doesn’t even do anything in this case.
試験の時もそうやったけど、あの男はただ立ってるだけで何事にも備えてるンゴwww最強の漢は動かん、何もしないのが最大の行動ってやつやな2ちゃん
Nachtwandler_FS
This is why Ryumon is my favourite character here.
それな。龍門が一番好きって気持ちめっちゃわかる。普通くん
SupremeXII
That’s some serious over-the-top hype sounds like the kind of line you’d see right before a final boss fight reveal.
草ァ!ファイナルボス戦前のセリフかなんかかよwww2ちゃん
PieNo7869
It just feel strange why don't the seii army capture ryumon. It not only remove him from commanding position, but also affect moral, turning any future battle between the two force a hostage rescue on yamato side. It will definately deter any current and future strategy. I mean even if ryumon actually plan an ambush having him as a hostage to negotiate can force the yamato force to back down
確かに変だよね。聖夷軍が龍門を捕まえない理由がわからん。指揮官を外せるだけでなく、士気にも響くし、今後の戦いは人質救出任務になる。どんな戦略も牽制される。たとえ龍門が待ち伏せを仕掛けてても、人質にすれば大和軍は引かざるを得なくなるはず。普通くん
WednesdaysFoole
If they tried to capture him and the enemy was preparing an ambush, why risk capturing him when the enemy seemingly already accepted that he went out to die and that his death is the signal to attack? That he showed up to die right there, alone and showing nothing but conviction, signals that he cannot be used as a hostage.
敵が青輝を捕まえようとして待ち伏せ準備してたのに、なんでわざわざ捕まえるリスク冒すんだよ。敵はもう「こいつ死にに来たな」って認めてて、その死が攻撃の合図って流れやん。あいつが一人で覚悟だけ見せて死にに来たって時点で、人質には使えねえってことやろ。ワイはそこがガチで腑に落ちんわ。2ちゃん
MonaganX
If they were so worried about an ambush they could've sent some scouts to check the embankment on the other side of the river. Would take ten minutes. It's not like an unarmed old man was going to stop a dozen riders. If there are troops hiding, they lose a negligible number of soldiers. If there isn't, they can call his bluff with very little risk.
この場面、伏兵の可能性を考慮するなら河向こうの堤防に偵察隊を送るのが戦術的に正しい判断だよな。所要時間はせいぜい10分。非武装の老人が十数騎の騎兵を止められるわけがない。もし伏兵がいるなら偵察隊の損失は微々たるものだし、いなければ老人のブラフを低リスクで看破できる。つまり龍門はこの時点で既に何らかの意図を持って行動していたという考察ができるんだよな。考察くん
sesaman
Yeah this part I didn't get, though maybe there were no boats. Like, at all.
いやそこワイも意味わからんかったわ。船がマジで一本もなかったってことなんか?2ちゃん
Namaryu
From the Seii perspective running away in FEAR over an old man preparing tea must be a morale crushing experience.
確かに。征夷側から見たら、ただの爺さんがお茶を入れてるだけで逃げ出すって士気がガタ落ちになるよな。普通くん
y-c-c
Yeah this is really the worst way to fold. It's one thing to just decide to not advance in the beginning, but running away like that with your tail behind your legs can't look good.
これマジで最悪の負け方やろ。最初から昇進諦めるのはまだわかるけど、尻尾巻いて逃げるのはダサすぎるわ。2ちゃん
bushwarblerssong
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The large temple where Ouga speaks to her army is the Daishizan Seidai-ji Temple , which houses the largest indoor seated-Buddha (modeled after the statue in the Longmen Grottoes of Luoyang, China) and the tallest 5-story pagoda in Japan. Despite its appearance, the temple was only erected in the late 1980s by the founder of a taxi company. During the Bubble era, CEOs and corporations across Japan commissioned enormous religious statues and temples to show (off) their gratitude to the Buddha for their success. Maruoka Castle is one of just 12 original castle keeps remaining in Japan today. Most have been destroyed by war, natural disaster or fire at some point. According to legend, during the Sengoku period when it was about to be under attack, a giant serpent appeared and blew a mist which concealed the castle and that's why it is also known as Kasumigajō (“Mist Castle”). In Chinese mythology, the dragon and tiger are two of the four mythical beasts of the East and West, and embody the yin and yang. "Clouds follow the dragon (yang - masculine - movement). Wind follows the tiger (yin - feminine - stillness)." As a guardian of the East and associated with the color blue, the dragon rules the heavens and commands the clouds and rain. (When Ryūmon wins his "battle" against Ouga as he sits on Kuzuryū Bridge above the Nine-Headed Dragon river , it begins to rain.) As a guardian of the West and associated with the color white, the tiger rules the earth, repels evil and directs the wind. (We saw a tiger painting in the previous episode at Kanazawa castle.) It's believed that Mount Longhu or "Dragon Tiger Mountain," is one of the birthplaces of Taoism, but the Dragon-Tiger pair was also a popular subject of scroll paintings brought to Japan by Chan (Zen) monks during the 12th century, which Japanese painters and ukiyo-e artists would later emulate. In Japan, Dragon-Tiger paintings are also known as "Ryūkozu (龍虎図 or 竜虎図)" (ryūko meaning "dragon and tiger") and were particularly admired by the samurai during the Azuchi-Momoyama period and Sengoku periods as dragons and tigers were considered to be the ultimate rivals, and a fight between the two, to be a clash of titans ("ryūko aiutsu" 竜虎相打つ). Dragons are often depicted among swirling clouds or violent waves while tigers sit or stand below pine trees or among bamboo groves, which symbolize strength and longevity. In the OP , we see Ryūmon and Ouga paired against each other with a character yet-to-be-introduced in between. A blue river flows behind Ryūmon while Ouga is on horseback below clouds of green, like pine, with her bow slung back. Ryūmon's background is inspired by Ogata Kōrin's very famous "Red and White Plum Blossoms" (紅白梅図屏風) and he sits opposite the white blossoms, which symbolize elegance, perseverance and hope. However, despite representing the dragon, Ryūmon sits calmly with his teacup while it's Ouga, despite representing the tiger, who is in movement. The Empty Fort Strategy is the 32nd of the Thirty-Six Stratagems. The two examples given are Zhuge Liang (Koumei) and Tokugawa Ieyasu. In Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Koumei only had a small force to defend a city, so he opened the gates, orderd soldiers to sweep the streets dressed as civilians, and sat on a viewing platform while calmly playing the zither (guqin), fooling Sima Yi into believing that an ambush was waiting for him in the city as Zhuge Liang had a reputation for being cautious tactician. In the Battle of Mikatagahara , Ieyasu supposedly had gates left open and drums beaten as his troops retreated to their fortress, causing Baba Nobuharu and Yamagata Masahage to assume it would be dangerous to pursue the troops as some trap may had been set inside. Yayakichi mentions the Romance of the Three Kingdoms (Eiji Yoshikawa version) manga adaptation by Mitsuteru Yokoyama #Manga) . This is not the first time that Sangokushi has been referenced. I believe Kaku has also mentioned the manga. During the Sengoku period, Oda Nobunaga and Toyotomi Hideyoshi were rather obsessed with tea and the tea ceremony. To them, tea bowls and tools were symbols of wealth, and the ceremony was a way to legitimize their status and authority. Both were served by Sen no Rikyū , the most famous tea master in world history. From Sen no Rikyū descended three schools of tea ceremony, including the Omotesenke school , which is the style that Ryūmon performs. In the early scene with Kaku and Ryūmon, the bold text (故知兵者、動而不迷、挙而不窮 / 知彼知己 勝乃不殆 知天知地 勝乃可全) and Kaku quotes from the 10th chapter ("Terrain") of The Art of War . Ryūmon replies with a quote attributed to Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius . Ryūmon's "Good fortune lies even in leftover tea" (余り茶に福あり) after Ouga retreats is a Japanese idiom used to encourage people not be greedy or hasty as there can be unexpected value in something leftover or behind by others. Uesugi Kenshin (Ouga's likely inspiration) also had a famous bow that had been passed down through generations of the Uesugi clan: the Bow of Hachiman or Hachiman no Onyumi . ( Hachiman is the god of archery and war.) He would dedicate this bow to the war god Bishamonten during the ceremony he would perform before going into battle. It was said that the leader of the Uesugi clan must always keep the bow near. By the way, until he was adopted by the feudal lord Uesugi Naomasa, Kenshin was actually a member of the Nagao clan and its head for three years from when he was 19. Mūton may be a distant relative though Kenshin never had children. In Japan, a white snake can be auspicious and inauspicious. They are messengers of Benzaiten and can bring good luck if you worship them, but in Akita prefecture (which is part of Seii territory) sighting one can also bring a series of misfortune. ETA: Should be Kuzuryū Bridge instead of Katsuyama Bridge. Not sure why I keep saying Katsuyama.
この大寺院は大石山清台寺で、中国・洛陽の龍門石窟を模した日本最大の屋内座仏と、最高層の五重塔を有する。外観に反して1980年代後半にタクシー会社創業者が建立したもので、バブル期には企業トップらが成功への感謝を仏に示すため巨大な宗教像を競って建立したそうだ。丸岡城は現存12天守の一つで、戦国時代には大蛇が霧を吹いて城を隠した伝説から「霞ヶ城」とも呼ばれる。
龍と虎は東洋思想における陰陽を体現する四神獣の二つで、「雲は龍に従い、風は虎に従う」とされる。龍門が九頭龍川の九頭龍橋で平殿器と対峙した際に雨が降ったのは、龍が天を支配し雲雨を司るからだ。一方、虎は地を統べ、風を操る。前回の金沢城の虎絵もこれに関連する。
龍虎図は日本では「竜虎図」として知られ、戦国武将に好まれた。OPでは龍門と平殿器が未登場キャラを挟んで対峙し、龍門の背景は尾形光琳の「紅白梅図屏風」に着想を得ている。しかし龍を象徴する龍門が静かに茶を飲むのに対し、虎を象徴する平殿器が動く構図は興味深い。
空城の計は三十六計の第32計で、諸葛亮と徳川家康が例示される。弥吉が横山光輝の三国志漫画を引用したのは、これが初めてではない。鶴考察くん
bushwarblerssong
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The OP has now surpassed 3 million views and over 1 million volumes have been sold since the anime started airing (over 1 million had been sold up to March making the total 2+ million). There were questions about the music. The guitar theme during the episode 7 scene with Tonotsugu and Sugō is "Kanazawa Blues" according to Hiromitsu "Jima" Iijima (Series Music Director), who is the producer for the soundtrack. Kevin Penkin (Series Composer) said he used organ, shakuhachi and strings in addition to electric guitar. Yuki Kanesaka provided Music Production Support. I haven't seen anything about the jazz song during Ouga's speech earlier in the season, but I would keep an eye on all three twitter accounts if you have questions about the music. The Aidoru Staa (Idol Star) song was performed by Chego and composed by Beau Damian with lyrics by Hyōri Takahashi and direction by Jima. Some more character information from the anime's twitter account: Shiryō Nagamine was small and sickly when he was little. He was teased for often composing poetry and the sense of inferiority he felt led him to become a very ambitious person. On his 194th attempt, he finally passed the Tōryūmon. When he isn't working, he wanders the country as a minstrel. (So he wasn't completely acting in Kanazawa?) Mūton Nagao was born into a powerful Seii clan and lived a privileged life. When he was 12, he once drove a bear off by shooting it twice in the eye, but no one believed him. His first love was Ouga Wajima. (Given the current bear situation in Tokyo and Northern Japan, the country could really use Mūton right now.) I think they are holding off on sharing more about Tamaki until after this episode. If they don't share anything by the end of the season, I will add something to a comment in the source corner of Episode 12 when it shouldn't be considered a spoiler. Glossary ( 1 2 3 4 5 ) 【Kanazawa Night Raid】 The night raid orchestrated by Mūton Nagao against Tonotsugu Taira, Gō Sugō and Yamato soldiers staying in the Higashiyama District of Kanazawa in the Spring of the 60th Year of Yamato. He decided to carry out his plan without consulting leadership when Ryūmon Mitsuhide, Yasuaki Kaku and their troops retreated to Fukui.
OPの再生数300万突破とか売上100万部超えとかヤバすぎンゴwww累計200万部ってガチかよ
BGMの話だけど、第7話で殿継と須郷が出たシーンのギターテーマは「Kanazawa Blues」やて。ケビン・ペンキンがオルガンと尺八とストリングスにエレキギター使ったらしい。音楽制作サポートは金坂勇樹。でも平殿器の演説シーンのジャズ曲はまだ情報ないからTwitter要チェックやな。
アイドルスターの曲はChegoが歌ってて、作曲Beau Damian、作詞高橋氷莉、監督JIMAやって。
キャラ情報も追加やで:
- 永峰士僚は子供の頃小さくて病弱。詩作いじられてコンプレックスから野心家に。194回目の挑戦で登龍門合格。休日は吟遊詩人やってる(金沢の演技マジだったんか?)
- 長尾武音は征夷の有力一族出身のボンボン。12歳で熊の目を2発撃って追い払ったけど誰も信じてくれへんかった。初恋は輪島桜虎(今の東京と北日本の熊問題考えると武音がいてくれたらなあ)
玉城の詳細は今週の話終わってから公開らしい。シーズン終わっても情報なかったら最終話の注釈コメントで補足するわ。
【金沢夜襲】大和60年春、長尾武音が金沢・東山地区に泊まってた平家殿継・厳須郷・大和兵への夜襲。龍門2ちゃん
Pleasant-Aspect2948
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I cannot thank you enough for this WEALTH of information. ALL of this is so damn interesting and cool. Thanks for gathering all the tidbits shared on other social media and posting them here for us. That is so interesting about Shiryo. Do you know what language the Buddhist chants were in this episode? They sounded like Sanskrit. I did not know Japanese Buddhists chant in Sanskrit, but correct me if I'm wrong!
この情報量に感謝しかない!全部めっちゃ面白くてクールだよ。他のSNSでバラバラに共有されてた情報をここにまとめてくれてありがとう。
- 死霊の話、めっちゃ興味深いな
- 今回の仏教のチャント、サンスクリット語っぽく聞こえたけど、何語なんだろ?日本の仏教徒がサンスクリット語で唱えるって知らなかった。間違ってたら教えて!普通くん
bushwarblerssong
Thank you for your kind words. You’re correct. It is Japanized Sanskrit, but I’m not sure what sutra they’re reciting from. The Heart Sutra is the most common one, but it doesn’t sound like it.
確かに!それっぽい響きだよね。でも『般若心経』とはちょっと違う感じがするんだよな〜。何の経典なんだろう…気になるッ!感情くん
GrimMind
I love you so much for doing these.
こういうのやってくれて本当にありがとう。大好きだよ。普通くん
Hyouryuu-Na
I think I see you often in these discussion threads. How do you know so much!? This is so cool!
やばっ!このスレでよく見かける気がするんだけど笑 なんでそんなに詳しいの!?まじでかっこよすぎじゃない!?ギャル
bushwarblerssong
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Thank you. I’ve been following the source material since it’s serialization and some is what I remember from chapter comments/discussions. A lot is common knowledge, especially the pop culture references, locations and the Japanese historical figures who are really the most famous figures in Japanese history. Other details, especially the Three Kingdoms and other Chinese references, I have to look up as I read as I only remember bits and pieces mainly from the Red Cliff movies and the Sangokushi manga/anime. 😆 A tiny bit of my knowledge is work-related.
まあ、原作の連載開始から追ってたってことか。確かにポップカルチャーや日本の歴史上の有名人は常識レベルだよな。三国志や中国関連の細かい部分は、赤壁の映画や横山三国志の知識で補ってる感じか。仕事で得た知識もちょっと混ざってるんだな。ドライおじ
Boring_Champion_23
thank you for all of this context
ありがとやで、こういう背景説明はマジ助かるわ2ちゃん
Namaryu
I once again thank you for this insight. There was no way I and many others would have ever known about these if not for you comments.
マジありがとう!あなたの解説のおかげで知れたこと、私も含めてめっちゃ多いし、ほんと感謝しかないじゃん!ギャル
bushwarblerssong
Thank you again! Glad you find them helpful.
ありがとう!役に立ってるみたいでよかったよ。普通くん
DowntownNewt494
I know it’s already been mentioned that they were in fukui but that shot of them in that massive temple , i thought it was that famous large temple in Nara
せやせや、もう福井って言われてたけど、あのでけえ寺のカット見て「おっ、奈良のあの有名なデカい寺やん!」って思ったわ2ちゃん
bushwarblerssong
The main hall and gate are modeled after Todaiji, so your confusion is completely understandable.
確かに東大寺をモデルにしてるから、混乱するのもわかるよ。普通くん
drt0
What do you think was Ouga's reason for shooting the white serpent? The composition of the Buddha with the serpent with an arrow through it's head looked very symbolic/deliberate, I wonder if there's a deeper meaning behind that composition, besides her trying to avert misfortune.
平殿器が白蛇を射抜いた意図についての考察だが、あの仏像と蛇に矢が刺さった構図は非常に象徴的で、制作陣が意図的に配置したのは明らかだ。単なる厄除け以上の意味が込められていると思われる。仏教における蛇は煩悩や悪を象徴することが多く、平殿器が自らの内なる弱さや障害を断ち切る行為を表現している可能性が高い。また、彼女の内務卿としての立場を考えれば、大和国を脅かす要素を排除する決意の表れとも解釈できる。この伏線が今後の展開でどう回収されるか注目したい。考察くん
bushwarblerssong
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I thought it would be OK since my comment didn’t include unadapted content, but it was still reported and removed. I’ll elaborate on the second part of my old comment, but you’ll have to check the source corner for my full answer. Ouga was experiencing flashbacks to the execution of a Seii leader and soldiers during the scene. In Chinese and Japanese mythology, there are white snake dragon gods (Hakuja Ryūjin) and Benzaiten is a goddess of water which is also represented by the dragon. I think in her mind, Ouga was killing Ryūmon for taking her father’s life as the “ryū” in Ryūmon means dragon. But killing a white serpent and spilling its blood over the Buddha does seem disrespectful and inauspicious. The Buddha preaches non-violence and blood is also polluting in Shinto. This Buddha was seated with one raised hand, which symbolizes fearlessness and inner peace. Ouga allowed herself to become fearful of Ryūmon and was unable to kill him on the Kuzuryū Bridge.
未改変部分しか書いてないのに通報されて削除されたわ草。前回コメントの後半はソース欄見てくれ。
あのシーン、平殿器が征夷の首魁と兵士の処刑思い出してたンゴ。中国・日本の神話に白蛇龍神(白蛇龍神)がおって、弁才天は水の女神で龍も象徴や。平殿器の頭の中では、龍門の「龍」=父親殺しの象徴として殺したかったんやろな。
でも白蛇殺して仏像に血をかけるのは不敬で不吉やわ。仏教は非暴力説くし、神道でも血は穢れや。あの仏像は片手挙げてて、それは無畏・内面の平和を表す。平殿器は龍門に恐怖して九龍橋で殺せなかったんやな。2ちゃん
drt0
Thanks that makes a lot of sense!
ありがとう、それでだいぶ納得できたわ!普通くん
-Ajaxx-
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I'm a layman but not totally clueless, if I had to guess this episode shows a turning point in her character, after losing her subordinate and present conditions she feels vulnerable and needs to make a decisive gambit (arrow) which also necessitates compromising her benevolent idealism (buddha) like ignoring the rapes - maybe the white snake is fortune and she's pissed about the night raid or she views it as an omen. either way really; arrow pierced serpent buddha palm makes sense to me. *possible her tiger mantra is relevant? wouldn't know
ワイは素人やけど、今回のエピは完全にターニングポイントやろ。部下失って現状にビビった彼女が、決断の一手(矢)を打つために、慈悲の理想(仏)を妥協せざるを得なくなった——レイプ無視みたいなな。白蛇は運命の象徴か、夜襲にキレてるか、兆しと見たか。いずれにせよ「矢が蛇を貫き仏の掌」ってのはワイには納得や。*虎のマントラが関係あるかも?知らんけど。2ちゃん
baseballlover723
原文
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すまん、コメント消したよ。これはスレッド上部の「原作コーナー」に書くべき内容だ。現在放送中のアニメの討論スレでは、原作・スピンオフ・作者コメント・未アニメ化パートの話は全部そこに書いてくれ。原作との比較も、どんなに些細でも対象だ。ネタバレじゃなくて、原作の話を指定場所以外でしたから削除した。質問があればこのメッセージに返信するか、modmailに連絡してくれ。ルールはここで読める。普通くん
Life_Meal4755
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Thank you so much for the insight, it was so entertaining and adds so much depth to the show. I love when creators are sensitive to symbolism and historical allusions. I also wanted to mention something I thought was so cool concerning the kanji for Ryumon and Ouga. Ryumon is, of course, spelled with the kanji for Dragon. Ouga, on the other hand, is spelled with the kanji for cherry blossom and tiger, further adding to the Dragon vs. the Tiger narrative. This show is amazing truly amazing.
マジで解説サンキューやで!めっちゃ面白かったし作品の深み増すわ。作り手が象徴表現とか歴史オマージュにこだわってるのワイも好きやねん。
あとワイが気づいたんやけど、龍門と平殿器の漢字マジで凝ってるわ。龍門はもちろん「龍」やけど、平殿器の方は「桜」と「虎」やねん。つまり龍対虎の構図になってるってわけや。このアニメガチで神やわwww2ちゃん
bushwarblerssong
Thank you! I talked a little bit about the meaning of Ryūmon’s and Ouga’s names and kanji in the previous episode discussions, but Ouga’s father is also Byakko (白虎), “White Tiger.” So his battle with Ryūmon was also a Dragon vs. Tiger. Like father, like daughter.
ありがとう!前回の話で龍門と平殿器の名前や漢字の意味についてちょっと話したんだけど、平殿器の父親も白虎なんだよね。だから龍門との戦いは龍対虎ってわけ。親子そろってって感じだね。普通くん
Life_Meal4755
Ah! That is so cool, I didn’t catch that. Thanks!
えっ!それやばくない!?全然気づかなかったわ~教えてくれてありがと!ギャル
DogzOnFire
(modeled after the statue in the Longmen Grottoes of Luoyang, China) Damn these are the sassiest statues I've ever seen .
(洛陽の龍門石窟の像をモデルにしてるのか) この像たち、めっちゃツンデレじゃね?!今まで見た中で一番のツンデレ像すぎるッ!感情くん
bushwarblerssong
Funny thing, the Longmen Grottoes are called the “Ryūmon Grottoes” (龍門石窟) in Japanese.
やばくね!?龍門石窟って日本語だと「龍門石窟(りゅうもんせっくつ)」って読むんだけど、まさに作品の龍門光英とリンクしてるじゃん!てかそういう細かいネタ仕込んでくるの最高すぎる笑ギャル
VancityGaming
AYAYAYAYAYA
AYAYAYAYAYA——某、思わず声が出たでござる!武士
raidensnakeezio
原文
Two things I noticed: 1) The imagery of Ouga riding and discussing how her hand is forced after Muton's failed night raid - her pupils have a bright reflection of pink, almost like scattered sakura petals. Thus when combined with her tiger tattoo, bring together the image of her namesake in one frame of her side profile. 2) If this were a shonen battle anime, there would have been a 2-3 minute "Hey kids! Check out this historical factoid and watch the Seii army blunder into a retreat because they don't know their (East Asian) history because they're in a nuclear post-apocalyptic world!" section, but I absolutely adore the fact that the author explicitly made sure that both Ouga and Yayakichi were aware of the Empty Fort Stratagem used by both Zhuge Liang and Ieyasu. The strategem is elevated and built upon it's historical parallels by not showing that it worked because of the strategem itself, but because of the specific execution by Ryumon.
気付いたこと2つや:
1) ムトンの夜襲失敗後に馬に乗って「手を縛られた」って話すオウガのシーン、瞳孔に桜の花びらみたいなピンクの反射があるンゴ。虎のタトゥーと合わせて横顔の1カットで名前のイメージが完成しとるわ。
2) これが少年バトルアニメやったら「核戦争後の世界で歴史知らんせいでセーイ軍が撤退するンゴwww」って2〜3分の豆知識コーナー入っとるやろ。でもオウガとヤヤキチが諸葛亮と家康の空城計を知っとるって明示したのがガチで好き。戦略自体より龍門の実行の仕方で効いたって描くことで歴史のパラレルを昇華しとるんや。2ちゃん
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
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Ryumon's aura is so great he drove Wajima back by himself. He really embodied a dragon in that moment. I really find Wajima interesting because I do think a part of her is truly good-natured, but she doesn't hesitate to weaponize the same if it means she'll be able to rally Seii's support in her military endeavors. In the beginning of the episode, we saw her shooting down a white snake, a symbol of fortune. It might be a reach, but it's probably a sign for things that will come to her. Especially since her decision this time parallels Tonotsugu's, where they're both in situations where they had to decide to cross a bridge and be baited by the enemies while doing so or not. Picking apart her motivations, it seems like she’s also driven to get revenge for her father. Judging by the way she thinks that Ryumon is the blight that threatens Seii despite Taira being there. To some extent, her psyche is clouded by her anger towards the latter, which isn't going to bode well since she also a rallied an army for it. It's also mentioned twice now how Aoteru's efforts as an Auditor helped the army stock up enough provisions to sustain themselves in this war. Good governance can really take you far but unfortunately, Yamato is in the palm of Taira's hands. So what Kaku said to Aoteru (Lie on firewood and persuade the heavens) really meant that the latter should prostate himself before the Emperor to garner troops in support of Ryumon. And Aoteru did say that if sucking up is what will get him results, then he will do just that. I really hope he persuades the Emperor, who for the first time will be making a decision against Taira's. It looks like even the war is wearing even Kaku down. Him coughing reminded me of that post by one Japanese fan who pointed out that Kaku being purplish (around his face) implies a pulmonary condition (which he probably got from previous wars).
龍門の圧倒的な存在感、一人で桜虎を退けたのすごかったな。あの瞬間、まさに龍そのものだった。桜虎は根は善良な部分もあるのに、軍事目的のためにそれを武器にするのを躊躇しないところが面白い。冒頭で白蛇(吉兆の象徴)を撃ち落としたのは深読みかもだけど、彼女の未来を示唆してるかもね。今回の決断はトノツグの時と似てて、橋を渡るか敵の誘いに乗るかの選択。動機を探ると父の復讐心も感じるし、平殿器がいるのに龍門を脅威と見なすあたり、怒りに判断が曇ってる。軍を集めたのも含めて不穏だわ。青輝の努力で兵站が整ったって二度も言及されてたけど、良い統治は大事だよね。ただ大和は平殿器の掌中だから、鶴が言った「臥薪嘗胆」は天皇に頭を下げて龍門支援の兵を得ろって意味か。青輝は「へつらってでも結果を出す」って言ってたし、初めて平殿器に逆らう天皇を説得してほしい。鶴の咳、前に日本のファンが「顔が紫色=肺の疾患(戦争の後遺症)」って指摘してたの思い出した。戦争が彼も蝕んでるんだな。普通くん
a1oner_bvcksn6
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saw her shooting down a white snake, a symbol of fortune. It might be a reach, but it's probably a sign for things that will come to her. I actually thought the white snake symbolized the idea of the dragon that she wanted to be to truly ascend, with her shooting it dead meant she couldn't become IT or didn't really have it deep within her to become one [when push came to shove in the face of a real one (ie Ryumon)] And now that her leadership has come into question, I really doubt there's any good fortune in store for her--as we know fortune favors the bold; in which she failed at. Him coughing reminded me of that post by one Japanese fan who pointed out that Kaku being purplish (around his face) implies a pulmonary condition (which he probably got from previous wars). Ah, the incurable cough of death trope anyone who watches anime a shitton are all too familiar with lmao. It's a shame really, but it is what it is. I bet he knew he was already afflicted by it when he spoke to Aoteru last before setting off. Hope I'm wrong, but I really believe that was Kaku's parting lesson/wisdom (in form of a riddle) because he's likely resigned to the reality of his illness and the unlikeliness of him coming back home alive.
白蛇(幸運の象徴)を撃ち落とすシーン見たわ。深読みかもやけど、彼女の未来を示唆してる気がするンゴ。ワイ的には白蛇=彼女が目指すべき龍の象徴で、それを撃ち殺した=本当の意味で龍になれなかった、あるいは龍になる素質が根っこになかった(本物の龍=龍門の前で)って解釈やわ。指導力疑問視されてる今、幸運なんて訪れるわけないやろ。運は勇者に味方するって言うけど、彼女はそこで失敗したしな。
鶴の咳、前に日本のファンが「顔が紫色っぽい=肺の病気(戦争で罹患した可能性)」って指摘してたの思い出したわ。アニメよく見る奴ならお馴染みの「死の咳」フラグやんwww 残念やけどしゃーない。出発前に青輝に話した時点で自覚してたんやろな。ワイの予想が外れてくれればええけど、あれが鶴の最後の教え(謎かけ形式の知恵)やと思うわ。病死の現実と生きて帰れない覚悟を受け入れてたんやろな。2ちゃん
mekerpan
Presumably the Meiji era scourge of tuberculosis got re-kindled with the breakdown of Japan's science and technology and expert civilian bureaucracies.
多分だけど、日本の科学技術や専門的な官僚組織が崩壊したことで、明治時代に猛威を振るった結核が再燃したんだろうね。普通くん
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
Oh! Good catch!
おおッ!それナイスすぎる!気づかなかったわ!感情くん
y-c-c
Well, we all know Kaku has to die somehow to let Aoteru take over as the successor. I would say his chance of long-term survival is super low for plot necessity…
確かに鶴は死ぬ運命にあると思う。青輝が後継者になるためには必要な展開だし、長期的に生き残る確率はプロット的に極めて低いだろうな…普通くん
max4citycouncil
excellent write-up I knew I was missing some symbolism with the white snake, that scene was extremely intentional very detailed I get the persuade the heavens part but did lie on firewood just mean prostrate or is something being lost in translation there? the word firewood specifically seems like its implying something?
白蛇の象徴性についての鋭い考察だな。あの場面は意図的に細かく作り込まれているのが分かる。天を説得する部分は理解できるが、「薪に臥す」という表現は単に平伏する意味か、それとも翻訳で何かが失われているのか?「薪」という単語が具体的に何かを暗示しているように思える。臥薪嘗胆の故事(薪の上で寝て苦難に耐える)を踏まえると、単なる服従ではなく「苦難に耐えて復讐や目標達成を期す」という意味合いが込められていると考察できる。考察くん
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
Apparently it's a Chinese idiom which means to endure suffering and humiliation to achieve a long-term goal. Which alludes to Aoteru enduring something (humiliation or something difficult) while persuading the Emperor to do something.
「臥薪嘗胆」って中国の故事で、苦労や屈辱に耐えて長期的な目標を達成するって意味なんだって。つまり青輝が何か辛いことや恥を耐え忍びながら、皇帝を説得するってことだね。普通くん
Cardandgold
Kaku having death flags I think they are setting up Misumi to take his role as strategist
やばっ!鶴に死亡フラグ立ってるじゃん!てか青輝が軍師になるための布石ってこと?まじで泣ける展開になりそうなんだけど笑ギャル
Lezus
I couldnt put a name to the condition Kaku faces however im acquainted with RDR2 enough that the cough was suspect
鶴殿の病について確かな名は申せぬが、某も『レッド・デッド・リデンプション2』に親しんでおるゆえ、あの咳は疑わしいと感じたでござる。武士
Pickled_Kagura
Solo Leveling go home, we have the new god of aura farming
ソロ・レベリングは引っ込んでろ、新たなオーラファーミングの神様が来たぞ普通くん
mekerpan
Except that this makes sense -- and is genuinely awesome.
いやそれな、むしろめっちゃ納得できるし、マジで最高だわwwwwおじ
max4citycouncil
"Bring me my kimono and tea set, I'm going to battle" this dude is hard af
「着物と茶道具を持ってこい、戦に出る」ってこの男、マジで漢気ありすぎだろ普通くん
apgp123
This episode flew by so fast holy shit. The tension throughout the bridge scene damm
この回まじで一瞬で終わったわw
橋のシーンの緊張感やばすぎだろ草wwwおじ
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
The absolute balls on Ryumon must be freakin massive to stare Wajima down while literally on fire and not even flinch. This is why the man is a Yamato legend. One man on a bridge preparing tea broke the Seii advance and effectively sowed the seeds of doubt within the ranks. Amazing. This might be the beginning of the end for Wajima and her troops. Ryumon’s done as much as he can. Now, it’s up to Misumi and that silver tongue of his.
龍門の度胸エグすぎンゴwww 炎に包まれながら輪島を睨みつけて微動だにしないとかガチで草
橋の上で一人茶を淹れて聖夷の進軍止めた時点で既に伝説やん。たった一人で敵陣に疑念の種撒くとかマジで神業
これで輪島の終わりの始まりかもしれんな。龍門はもう十分やった。あとは三角の口八丁頼みやな2ちゃん
VancityGaming
Her running was totally justified. The bridge could have collapsed at any second.
彼女が逃げたのは完全に正解でしょ!橋がいつ崩れてもおかしくなかったんだからッ!感情くん
Ssssbtsf
Under those massive brass balls
あの度胸のデカさには脱帽だな普通くん
Chrono-Helix
I can’t believe it took until they explicitly showed it this episode for me to realize they were setting up a traditional tiger vs dragon matchup
マジで気づかなかったんだけど!?今週の放送で虎vs龍の構図がガッツリ示されてようやく「あっこれそういうことか!」ってなったわ笑ギャル
the_wise_one_is_here
Ryumon's aura was literally too much for wajima to handle. On the outside, it must seem silly for us but this is what psychological warfare is about.
確かに!龍門のオーラが強すぎて桜虎が完全に飲まれてたよな。外から見たらバカバカしく見えるけど、これこそ心理戦の真髄だわ。しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
FarCritical
It was one thing for Aoteru's farming reforms to get Ryumon to willingly kneel out of respect but it's another for them to actually bear fruit and enable big plays like his tea ceremony gambit (which was the most metal thing ever). And kudos to that random soldier who bowed back to Ryumon lmao
青輝の農業改革で龍門が敬意を持って膝をついたのはすごかったけど、それが実際に実を結んで茶会の策略(あれはマジで最高にクールだった)みたいな大技を可能にしたのがまた別の話だよね。あと、あの一般兵士が龍門にお辞儀を返したのには笑ったわwww普通くん
KazuharaIlfan
The strat that only works if your enemy commander read the same books and strategies. Sasuga
それな!笑 敵の将軍も同じ本読んでないと成立しない戦略ってマジやばくね?さすがすぎるわ〜ギャル
notanfan
how many episodes will be airing for this 12 or 13?
このアニメって全何話なんだろ、12話?13話?普通くん
Namaryu
The dreadful realization that we are almost done with the season.
やばっ!もう今期終わりそうなんだけど!?マジで時間経つの早すぎじゃね?!😭ギャル
TheDanubianCommunard
12 episodes confirmed.
12話確定だね。普通くん
Haise01
Oh man, hopefully there's enough content for a season 2
やばっ!シーズン2もやるよね!?内容たっぷりあるといいな〜ギャル
Even-Value8075
oh there definetly is. there could easily be 3 seasons
確かに絶対あるよねッ!軽く3シーズンは余裕でいけるでしょ!感情くん
Haise01
Nice, hopefully we get more seasons
いいね、続編がもっと見られるといいな普通くん
HarshTheDev
But its not translated, right? I only see 17 (fan) translated chapters and we've already covered 15.
マジで!?17話しか翻訳されてないのに俺たちもう15話まで見たってことか!? つらい、続きが気になりすぎる……早く翻訳出てくれ頼む!!感情くん
sukeban
The scanlations are working towards finishing the 4th volume of the manga (ending in chapter 21 and an extra with more character bios), which is where I think this season will end. There are three more volumes of the manga already published.
ワイの予想やと、スキャン翻訳組がマンガ4巻(21話+キャラ紹介のオマケ)まで進んでて、たぶん今期アニメはここで終わるンゴ。原作は既にあと3巻出てるで。2ちゃん
HarshTheDev
Huh. Then why did the other guy say that there could easily be 3 seasons?
確かに。なんで他のやつは「3シーズンは余裕」って言ったんだろうな普通くん
bushwarblerssong
I answered your question in the source corner.
あんたの質問には元のとこで答えたよ!ギャル
sukeban
People are enthusiastic. I can't discuss the manga outside of the source material corner.
みんな熱いね。原作の話は原作コーナー以外でできないのが辛い。普通くん
NotTipp
18 English fan translated chapters are out sofar, but there's a confirmed 49 chapters serialized.
まじで!?18話まで英語翻訳出てるのに、本国ではもう49話まで連載確定ってマジかよ…早く続きが読みすぎるッ!感情くん
tripleaamin
It really comes down to if Studio Kafka will continue working on an S2 next or if they will go back to Mahoyome. (Assuming that has enough source material.)
確かに、スタジオKafkaが次にS2をやるのか、それとも魔法嫁に戻るのかで話が変わってくるよね(原作が十分あるって前提だけど)。普通くん
thisisdropd
原文
The absolute balls on this geezer! Camping right at the enemy's front lines armed with nothing but a lamp, mat, and a tea brewing kit. While thousands of armed men were in front of him, Ryuumon calmly brewed tea. How could one man performing a simple, non-combat task exude such an aura? Even Wajima's terrified, despite being aware it could be a bluff. What she failed to realise was that Ryuumon was willing to play sacrificial pawn. While Yamato had indeed lost a great asset in him, what they gained in return was invaluable. Wajima's authority was no longer unshakable. The Dragon had prevailed over the Tiger, and the former ascended to the Heavens in a dignified way. Reckon his tale would be etched in the history books.
草ァ!このジジイマジで度胸ありすぎやろwww
ランプとマットと茶器だけ持って敵陣のど真ん中でキャンプとか。数千の武装兵の前で龍門が涼しい顔でお茶煎れてるんやぞ。何もしてへんのにこの圧倒的オーラは何なんや。
桜虎もブラフと分かっててもビビってるやん。でも彼女が気づいてへんのは、龍門が捨て石になる覚悟やったってことや。大和は確かにデカい人材失ったけど、代わりに得たもんは計り知れへん。桜虎の権威はもう揺らぎ始めてる。
龍が虎に勝ったんや。そして龍は気高く天に昇っていった。こいつの話は歴史書に刻まれるやろな。2ちゃん
TWIMClicker
I mean he’s not dead yet
まだ死んでないってことだよな…ッ!まだ希望はあるってことだよな!?感情くん
had-some-issues
That was some crazy Gambit, if he was killed it would only delay them a second but still all of them gets killed and Taira might get the glory. If he did not do this gambit they would still die. So only this gambit is the logical choice. Attacking is also not an option because of the # of forces differences. man what an awesome anime
あの賭けは見事だったな。仮に彼が殺されても、せいぜい時間稼ぎにしかならず、結局全滅して平殿器に手柄を独占されるだけだった。この策を取らなければ全滅は確実だったわけで、あの賭けが唯一の合理的選択だったと言える。兵力差を考えると正面攻撃も不可能だったしな。本当に素晴らしいアニメだ。考察くん
Jerry_MP
原文
Oh my god. HOW. HOW DOES IT KEEP GETTING BETTER. 100% of the episode is purely just talking but it got me glued to the screen harder than any flashy show could. Holy fuck. Ryumon genuinely drove back a whole army just with his aura. How does one even achieve this level of goatedness. I thought it would be Aoteru's turn this episode but I guess not? We haven't had an Aoteru-centered episode in a while huh. SURELY it'll be Aoteru's episode next week. Surely... Or maybe the exiled officer will steal the show, lmao. I'm not exactly sure what the snake symbolism in the opening is supposed to be, but because snakes are often seen as vessels of deceit, its saying that her own action(s) will lead to her dismantling the trust of the people (just like how they said people started questioning her). Probably reaching a bit though, and it being white probably also has some deeper symbolism that I'm not aware of. I can't see things going very well for her in the future though. Can't wait for next week!!
やばすぎだろ。どうやって毎回毎回クオリティ上げてくんだよ。今回は会話だけの回だったのに、派手なアクション作品より画面に釘付けになったわ。龍門、オーラだけで軍団撃退するとかマジでどうなってんだ。青輝メインかと思ったら違ったな。最近青輝回ないよね。来週こそ青輝回だよな…多分な。それか追放された役人が持ってくかもな笑。OPの蛇のシンボルはよくわかんないけど、蛇=欺瞞ってイメージあるから、彼女自身の行動が民衆の信頼を壊すってことかな。白いのも何か深い意味ありそうだけど。いずれにせよ彼女の未来は明るくなさそうだな。来週が待ちきれない!!普通くん
Ok_Difference8875
Thinking of watching this ! I know the starting episodes were good , is it still going strong? And is it based on some manga or something? If yes then is the story good ?
見ようか迷ってるンゴ!最初の方は良かったって聞いたけど今でも面白いんか?あと漫画とか原作あるん?もしあるならストーリーはちゃんと面白いんか?2ちゃん
thisisdropd
Yes to all three questions. It's my AotS so far.
3つともイエスだね。今のところ俺の今期アニメ大賞だわ。普通くん
Ok_Difference8875
Okk thanks
おっけー、ありがと!感情くん
the_wise_one_is_here
It's the best anime this season and prolly an aoty contender for me
マジで今期のアニメで一番やばくない!?てか俺の中ではもう今年のベスト候補じゃん!!ギャル
had-some-issues
for me as well
確かに、俺もそう思うよ普通くん
OddTea74
Damn this show has many badass characters. Ryumon scene was so good
やばっ!このアニメ、キャラみんなカッコよすぎじゃね!?龍門のシーンまじでヤバかったんだけど!ギャル
szalhi
"He's just sitting there, menacingly."
ただそこに座ってるだけなのに、威圧感がすごいんだよな。普通くん
hammile
* Blocks your path *
* お前の進路を塞いでやるッ!*感情くん
arsenejoestar
Bruh drove back an entire army with aura
草ァ!オーラだけで敵軍全員撤退させたンゴwww
ガチで強キャラすぎるやろこれ2ちゃん
Hyouryuu-Na
原文
From my comment on Anilist: Wajima lost so many points for being a snake in my book. Like she knew her soldiers were r*ping women and girls and she decided not to do anything about it cause "it'll hurt morale"????? Woman, fck you. All you can do is give empty speeches. You're lucky you're pretty and your soldiers are simps cause that's all you got going for you. No wonder you couldn't win the aura battle against Ryumon. Bless that man. Highkey scared me when he started to get burned. I hope those aren't serious. Kaku has beautiful eyes. Like they keep zooming into his eyes and I'm like "screenshot thattttt"! I love love love the artstyle. The way their eartips are flushed pink from the cold is such a great detail. Tsune is my favorite tsundere in recent years. Tsunedere 😆 He keeps freaking out internally with a straight face outside 😆 Adorable. And I love how Aoteru is such a dork but not your stereotypical timid dork. Man knows he's smart and doesn't hesitate to use his authority to get shit done. Wondering how these ranks work though. Does Aoteru outrank Tsune? Or does his corps have more power over the Arms corps? I don't think Tsune would tolerate it if Aoteru didn't have the hierarchical backing to issue that order 😆 Anyways, great episode. Excited for the next one!
輪島は俺の中で一気に株を下げたな。兵士たちが女性を強姦しているのを知りながら「士気に関わる」と放置する姿勢、あれは致命的だ。空疎な演説を並べるだけなら、顔が良くて兵士がイカれてる以外に取り柄がない。龍門とのオーラ勝負に負けるのも当然だ。彼が火傷を負ったシーンは正直ヒヤッとした。大事に至らなければいいが。
鶴の瞳が美しすぎる。何度もクローズアップされるたびにスクショしたくなる。美術スタイルは最高だ。寒さで耳の先がピンク色に染まる描写が細かくて素晴らしい。
常は近年のツンデレキャラで一番好きだ。「ツネデレ」って呼びたくなるな。内心パニックでも外面は涼しい顔。可愛すぎる。
青輝はただの気弱なドジキャラじゃないところがいい。自分の頭脳に自覚的で、権限を躊躇なく使って物事を進める。階級の仕組みが気になるな。青輝は常より上位なのか?それとも彼の所属する部署が武官組織より強いのか?階級的な裏付けがなければ、常があの命令に従うとは思えない。
とにかく素晴らしいエピソードだった。次回が待ちきれない。考察くん
mekerpan
Yes. Wajima discredited her self and her goals, by tolerating wanton murder and rape because it was "good for the morale" of her troops. In the long run, it almost certainly will lead to very poor morale (and reliability). Aoteru's brand of impartial justice (as auditor) would presumably be far better for discipline and morale in the long run.
確かに。輪島は自軍の士気のために殺人や強姦を許容することで、自分とその目標を貶めてるよね。長期的に見れば士気も信頼性もガタ落ちになるのは間違いない。青輝の公正な監査の方が、規律と士気には圧倒的に良いと思う。普通くん
Jacob-C
I have had a feeling that Wajima's speeches and crying were performative ever since she was introduced. She started a whole war, knowing the death and suffering it would bring, to avenge her father. I believe that the violent way her soldiers are treating Yamato's civilians is largely due to the hatred she ramped up when she first seized power. I have never really liked her.
輪島の演説とか泣き顔、最初から演出臭かったンゴwww
父親の仇討ちのために戦争起こして民の苦しみ知っててやっとるんやろ。
聖夷兵の大和民への乱暴も、あいつが権力握った時に煽った憎悪のせいやと思うわ。
ワイは最初からあいつ嫌いや。2ちゃん
Devoidoxatom
I think Tsune just trusts Aoteru's judgment and that he has a plan/good reason to send him as a messenger
確かに常は青輝の判断を信じてるんだと思う。使者として送るのにもちゃんと理由か計画があるって信じてる感じだね。普通くん
Haise01
I'm scared for Kaku tho, we've seen him cough twice this episode, hopefully this isn't a hint of anything serious
やばくね!?カクちゃん今週2回も咳してたじゃん!まじで大事ないといいんだけど…心配すぎるんだけど!ギャル
danlong87
I mean, tropes are tropes mate, and with his "parting words" with Aoteru a few episodes ago? Combining with the coughs its basically a death sentence for him unfortunately
まあ、お決まりの展開ってのはあるよね。数話前に青輝に残したあの「別れの言葉」といい、咳の描写といい、もう彼には死亡フラグ立ってる感じだな…残念だけど。普通くん
HarshTheDev
The only thing Im unsure about in this episode is why didnt Wajima ensure that atleast Ryumonn was dead? He was sitting right in front of her completely defenseless. She could've atleast tried firing some arrows his way while retreating on her horse.
このエピソードで唯一引っかかるのは、輪島がなぜ龍門だけでも確実に殺さなかったのかという点だな。彼は目の前に無防備に座っていたんだから、馬で撤退しながらでもせめて数本の矢を放つくらいはできたはずだ。これは戦術的に見て、彼女の行動に一貫性がないと思われる。もしかすると、龍門を生かすことで何らかの心理的効果を狙ったのか、あるいは脚本上の都合で見逃した可能性が考察できる。考察くん
maliwanag0712
She could've atleast tried firing some arrows his way while retreating on her horse. I think it's just she lost confidence and she was too careful for a possible retaliation. In a way, she lost the psychological war, letting her retreat.
確かに逃げる時にせめて矢の一発くらい撃てば良かったのにって思うわ。多分もう自信喪失してて、反撃されるの怖がりすぎたんやろな。ある意味、心理戦で負けて撤退させてもうたってことやな。2ちゃん
HarshTheDev
I understand that but also like, he's right there in front of her burning, she's already shot him once, just shoot one more like cmon, and tactically killing Ryumon makes no difference for Wajima's army's position either. It's just a real big pet peeve of mine lol.
わかるけどさ、目の前で燃えてるんだからもう一発撃てよって思うよね。それに龍門を殺しても輪島軍の立場は変わらないし。個人的にすごく気になるポイントだわ(笑)普通くん
danlong87
she was defeated psychologically, and with her likely under a full "FLIGHT" response there's basically nothing else she could do, humans do be like that sometimes, fortunately or unfortunately
まじで心理的にやられた感じじゃん!?完全に「逃げ」モードに入っちゃったら人間ってそうなるしかないよね〜良くも悪くもさギャル
Mxxi
scary
怖いな…普通くん
Seiak
Fear makes you act irrationally.
確かに。恐怖って人間を冷静じゃなくさせるからな。この作品でも、キャラの判断ミスとか、そういうとこがリアルでしんどい。感情くん
Whole_Breadfruit2343
As she mentioned herself, Ryumon's death could be a potential signal for his hidden troupes to advance.
確かに彼女自身も言ってたけど、龍門の死は伏兵を動かす合図かもしれないね。普通くん
HarshTheDev
That would only be the case if Wajima's army advances further after that. Think about it, if her army was already in a compromised position why would Ryumonn's (potential) force even wait? Tactically, killing Ryumon or not makes no difference for Wajima's position.
確かに。輪島の軍がその後さらに進軍して初めて成立するシナリオだな。もし輪島軍が既に不利な状況なら、龍門の(潜在的な)部隊が態勢を整えるのを待つ理由がない。戦術的に見て、龍門を殺すかどうかは輪島の立場にとって本質的な差を生まないという考察ができる。考察くん
Deity_Daora
原文
I think her eyes throughout the last episodes show fatigue and/or stress and a lack of rest. Beyond the initial attack their plans have not gone as well as they needed them to go. They set out for the attack earlier than initially planned because their trap got countered with the night raid. Then they get a report Ryumon has arrived on the bridge, seemingly by himself, right as they planned to attack, ergo, "they know this attack is coming and this is their response". It being pitch black and them being on foreign ground isn't helping. The area could be surrounded at any point. It doesn't make sense that he'd be that composed in the face of sure death, so it has to be a trap. A chess analogy would be Ryumon being a queen piece and Wajima is the king. If she kills him and triggers the ambush and loses her life (she is literally at the front here on a narrow bridge) then her dream is over and there's nobody to unify them. The situation is far too uncertain.
この数話で彼女の目に疲労とストレス、睡眠不足が表れてたと思う。最初の襲撃以降、計画が思い通りに進んでないんだよな。夜襲で罠を返されて予定より早く攻撃を開始したのに、さらに龍門が橋に一人で現れたって報告が来た。つまり「攻撃を読まれてて、これが返し」ってこと。真っ暗で土地勘もないし、いつ包囲されてもおかしくない。死が確実な状況であそこまで冷静なのはおかしいから、罠だよね。チェスで言えば龍門がクイーンで輪島がキング。もし彼女を倒して待ち伏せに遭い、自分が死んだら(文字通り狭い橋の最前線だし)夢は終わりで、誰も統一できない。状況が不確実すぎる。普通くん
hceline012
I like the chess piece analogy. From Wajima's perspective, right about now she probably wishes she had a crucial piece like Aterui to lead the forward line. If only he hadn't been temporarily taken out of commission during the capture of Kuzuryujo.
チェスの駒の比喩は秀逸だな。輪島の視点で考えると、今まさに彼女は前線を指揮する青輝のような重要な駒が欲しいと願っているはずだ。ただ、九頭龍城攻略の時に彼が一時的に戦線離脱していなければ、というのが彼女の胸中だろうな。考察くん
mekerpan
What if he had (in effect) a deadman's switch that would blow up the bridge when he lost consciousness?
草、デッドマンズスイッチで橋爆破ってガチで頭おかしいやんwww
意識失ったら自動爆破とか、三国志の計略よりエグいやろこれ2ちゃん
HarshTheDev
Think about it like this: If he had such a trumpcard under his sleeve, why would he wait for his death (or losing consciousness) to activate it?
確かにそれな!もしそんな切り札持ってたら、死ぬ間際まで温存する意味なくね?笑 まじで謎すぎるわ〜ギャル
mekerpan
Because he didn't want to die if he didn't absolutely have to.
そりゃそうやろ、無駄死にする気なんて最初からねぇわwww2ちゃん
HarshTheDev
Im saying that why would there be a deadman's switch in the first place? Why would Ryumon design something like that? If he had some sort of capability like that why would he tie it to his life bruh
確かに!なんで龍門がそんなもん作る必要あるんだよッ!そんな能力があるならなんで自分の命とリンクさせるんだよ意味わからんすぎる感情くん
mekerpan
But the focus needs to be on Wajima here, not Ryumon. SHE did not know what stunt Ryumon might have up his sleeve. He wanted to break her will. And he did.
でもここは龍門じゃなくて輪島に注目すべきだよね。彼女は龍門がどんな手を使ってくるか知らなかった。龍門は彼女の意志を折りたかったんだ。そして実際に折った。普通くん
HarshTheDev
原文
Yeah no, but the whole time there is a heavy focus given on 'rational thought', rational thought dictates that they shouldn't advance if there is a ambush, Ryumon was perfectly rational, etc. etc. So by extension of that, rational thought would also dictate to kill Ryumon there. The answer most likely is she got overtaken by fear and couldn't think rationally, and personally I'm just kinda meh about that. Always feels somewhat contrived when stories take especially since killing ryumon would've been a no-risk, full-reward play.
確かに、作中では一貫して「合理的思考」が強調されてきたよな。伏兵の可能性があるなら進軍すべきじゃないという龍門の判断も合理的だった。ならば合理的に考えれば、そこで龍門を殺すべきだったという結論になる。おそらく彼女は恐怖に飲まれて合理的判断ができなかったんだろうが、個人的にはそこが少し腑に落ちない。龍門を殺せばリスクゼロで完全勝利だったのに、こういう展開はやや作為的に感じられる。考察くん
-Ajaxx-
tbf, didn't they lampshade it in the episode when making reference to the stratagems origin, that it also could've been totally bs. hehe
確かに、その回で計略の出典を説明するときに「これも完全に作り話かもしれない」って自らネタバラシしてたよな。へへ。普通くん
bushwarblerssong
We aren’t supposed to see her actions as rational. Ryūmon was responsible for her father’s death and she’s still deeply traumatized. This was the first time they faced each other and she wasn’t expecting to meet him this way. We also know she was experiencing flashbacks at the beginning of the episode. She allowed fear to take over.
確かにこの場面は彼女の行動を合理的に見るべきじゃないな。龍門光英が彼女の父親の死に関与している以上、彼女は深いトラウマを抱えていると考察できる。今回は彼女が初めて龍門と対峙した場面で、まさかこんな形で会うとは思っていなかったんだろう。冒頭でフラッシュバックが起きていた描写も伏線的に機能している。恐怖に支配されてしまった、というのが正確な解釈だと思われる。考察くん
ShinobiZilla
I mean she really got spooked by the visage of Ryumon engulfed in flames while literally embodying a dragon. The heavens forbid. Atleast that's how I interpreted Wajima calling his bluff and then retreating on it.
あのシーン、龍門がまさに龍の姿で炎に包まれてるのを見て、桜虎はマジでビビったんだろうな。天が許すなって感じ。少なくとも俺はそう解釈したよ。桜虎がブラフを見抜いたと思ったら結局引いたのも、そのせいじゃないかな。普通くん
IntelligentLow1931
When in the face of danger, people react in 4 different ways. Fawn, flight, freeze & fight. She fled.
危ない時に人間の反応は4つあるやろ。「すり寄る」「逃げる」「固まる」「戦う」。彼女は逃げたンゴね。2ちゃん
LargeAngryFish
She was probably scared of being killed by a sniper or something.
彼女、スナイパーとかに殺されるのを怖がってたんだろうね。普通くん
Sant268
reading ROT3K paid off, i love this anime.
わかるッ!三国志(ROT3K)読んでるとこのアニメの楽しさ倍増する!優勝すぎるッ!感情くん
rockinalex07021
I went full DiCaprio when they mentioned the east wind
「東風」って言われたとき、俺もディカプリオ状態になったわ普通くん
Sant268
I WAS SCREAMING when Ryumon said bring me the kimono I KNEW HE can pull it off and no one else
龍門が「着物を持ってこい」って言った瞬間ワイ絶叫したわwww やっぱこいつならできるって確信してたンゴ 他には無理やろ2ちゃん
Accomplished-Sleep77
I genuinely felt sad watching this episode, knowing the fact that this stuff isn't and probably will never be as popular as the heavy hitters in the mainstream. This stuff is just amazing, to say the least. The writing, the plot, the characters, everything is top-tier stuff. I hope this anime reaches mainstream cuz holy fuck does this deserve to be mainstream.
今回のエピソード見てて普通に悲しくなったわ。この作品がメジャーの重鎮たちみたいに人気になることはないんだろうなって思うとさ。でも書き方もプロットもキャラも全部最高レベルだと思う。マジでメジャーになってほしいわ。だってこれだけのクオリティなら当然だろ。普通くん
runevault
In a season stacked with killers, finding time to add another anime to your weekly watch list can be hard. There's enough buzz around this show it may be something people check out in the lull between seasons when there's a week with a lot less new episodes airing.
確かに今期は話題作が多くて、新規開拓が難しい時期だよな。ただ本作はクール間の空白期にじっくり視聴する価値は十分にある。伏線の張り方が緻密で、一気見すると制作陣の計算された構成がより際立つという考察ができる。考察くん
Devoidoxatom
nahh wajima's soft. their forces probably gonna get destroyed from here on out
いやワジマ弱すぎやろwww このままじゃ多分全滅コースやなンゴ2ちゃん
LetgomyEkko
Ryumon tea ceremony on the bridge…. Holy peak…
龍門の橋の上の茶会…神回すぎるだろ…普通くん
Iron_Kingpin
Ryumon has crazy aura, the enemy commander just ran away at the sheer sight of him just sitting on the road
龍門のオーラがヤバすぎて草
道に座ってるだけで敵将が逃げてったンゴwww2ちゃん
Simple_Ant_9269
原文
Here is my Nippon Sangoku: Episode 8 Recap The highlight of the episode is the implementation of the Empty Fort Stratagem , a classic Three Kingdoms trope that the show handles with a weirdly beautiful absurdity. Ryumon goes to the bridge of the Kuzuryu River completely alone and unarmed to perform a tea ceremony. It’s the ultimate high-stakes bluff—one man calmly whisking hot water in the freezing night while an entire invasion force watches from the treeline. The roast here is practically served with the tea: Wajima’s strategist, Yayakichi, actually uses a "Japanese era manga" called Sangokushi as his primary tactical reference to figure out what’s going on. Wajima eventually cracks under the weight of Ryumon's sheer composure. She convinces herself that his etiquette is "too rational" and that his death would be the "cue" for a massive ambush hidden in the dark. It’s a spectacular bit of psychological bullying; Ryumon buys Yamato time not with soldiers, but by being the most dignified person in the room. The fact that 70,000 elite troops retreated because of a well-executed matcha whisking is the kind of logical leap that only works in this show. As the episode closes, the "True Frog" bet is finally being called. Aoteru is done being a recording officer and is moving his own pieces on the board. He sends Mr. Tsune to Fukui as a lone messenger while he prepares for an audience with the Emperor himself. Seeing Aoteru’s "generic side part" finally enter the lion's den in Osaka signals that the era of the veteran generals might be giving way to the genius of the young man who spent his time "lying on firewood" while the world began to move.
『日本三國』第8話の見どころは、空城計の実践だな。龍門が一人で九頭竜川の橋に行き、無武装で茶会を開くんだよ。極限のハイリスクなブラフ——凍てつく夜に一人で抹茶を立ててる姿を、侵攻軍が林から見つめてる。しかも輪島の軍師・弥八吉が戦術参考に「三国志」って日本の漫画を使ってるのが笑える。結局輪島は龍門の威圧感に負けて、その死が待ち伏せの合図だと思い込んで撤退。70,000の精鋭が抹茶一杯で退却するって、この作品の論理飛躍だよな。エピソード終盤で「真蛙」の賭けが動き出す。青輝が記録官を辞めて自ら動き始め、常さんを福井に単独使者として送り、自らは大阪の帝に謁見する準備を進める。草鞋を履いて獅子の巣穴に入る青輝の姿は、古参将軍の時代から「臥薪嘗胆」の若者の時代への交代を感じさせる。普通くん
had-some-issues
Beautifully put through man. But it is a gambit they are willing to take either they die when they attack or he tries a one last gambit. But can you explain what is that strategist guy want to tell to Auterou
せやな、確かにそれは賭けや。
攻めて死ぬか、最後の賭けに出るか。
でも軍師のジジイ(鶴)が青輝に言いたかったのは、多分「臥薪嘗胆」のことやろ。
今は耐えて、後のために力を蓄えろってことや。
ワイはあのシーン結構好きやで。2ちゃん
adessoefortuna
原文
I'd never really felt the need to comment on anything after watching any anime episode. Until now. I NEED TO COMMENT AFTER WATCHING THIS. I'm so fired up, and I'm so happy other people were bowled over. Like, so goated, it's damn incredible. I didn't even breathe as Ryumon started to burn up. Then the abrupt turnaround. It just tells us that you never know until the VERY last minute. Fate fortunes the brave. Especially one who has already decided that death isn't the thing to be feared about. You conquer that, you conquer everything.
今までアニメ見てコメントしたいなんて思ったことなかったんだけど、今回は別だ。もう語らずにはいられない!めちゃくちゃ熱くなったし、他の人も同じように衝撃受けてて嬉しいわ。まじで神回すぎる。龍門が燃え始めた時、息すらできなかったよ。そこからの急展開。最後の最後まで何が起こるかわかんないって教えてくれるよね。運は勇者を味方にする。特に死を恐れないと決めた奴には。それを克服すれば、全てを克服できるんだ。普通くん
Cook-Miserable
Move over Kiryu, we have a new Dragon to bow to!
Kiryuよ退け!俺たちが跪く新たな龍が現れたぞッ!優勝すぎる感情くん
Dialgak77
Currently playing Yakuza Kiwami 2 and I agree we don't need 2 dragons.
今『龍が如く 極2』プレイ中だけど、確かに龍は2匹もいらないよな。普通くん
Andreiyutzzzz
Grab a dictionary, look up "balls of steel" and you won't find a picture, just a picture of Ryumon looking METAL AS FUCK just standing there. "You feel lucky punk?" aura. Dear god that whole segment gave me shivers
「鋼のメンタル」って辞書で引いても写真は載ってないけどな、代わりに龍門が仁王立ちしてるガチかっけえ絵が載ってるわ。「テメェ運試しでもしてみるか?」オーラ半端ないンゴ。あのシーン全部で鳥肌立ったわwww2ちゃん
Sacreville
Okay, that was a freaking intense psychological battle. Holy Ryumon, I thought he was gonna invite Wajima to talk, but no, he's just going to make and drink his tea alone. Not even one word said.
やばくね!?あの心理戦まじでやばかったんだけど!龍門光英、ワジマと話すのかと思いきやまさかの無言でお茶だけ飲んで終わりってwww 一言も喋んないとか強すぎじゃん!ギャル
rockinalex07021
They even mentioned the east wind in the episode relating back to borrowing the east wind which was a significant strategy utilized in the original Three Kingdoms during the Battle of Red Cliffs
東風の話出てきたの熱すぎるやろww 赤壁の戦いで使われた戦術をちゃんと伏線回収してくるとか制作陣ガチやん。草2ちゃん
HiggsBosonHL
I cannot get over how good this show is. This type of show is usually way outside of my interests and wheelhouse, but goddamn the production is immaculate, the performances are great, the characters are fantastic, and the drama is a crafted masterpiece.
この作品の素晴らしさにやられっぱなしだよ。普段こういう系統は全く興味ないんだけど、制作が完璧すぎるし、演技もキャラもドラマも全部が傑作。普通くん
AdellheidV
I don't get it. How did the bridge not collapse under Ryumon's massive balls? It's not realistic at all.
マジで笑ったんだけど!w 龍門の度胸やばすぎて橋が耐えられるわけないじゃん!確かに非現実的だけど、そこがかっこいいんだよね〜ギャル
-Ajaxx-
"Fortune lies even in leftover tea" goes so fucking hard. obviously referencing reading the tea leaves- tasseography- but also just makes perfect poetic sense within the scene as is.
「残り茶にも運は宿る」ってマジで名言すぎるだろ。茶葉占いのタッセオグラフィーを連想させるのはもちろんだけど、そのシーンの中で詩的に完璧にハマってるんだよな。普通くん
Shimmering-Sky
原文
This should be good. Man, Ohga has her men completely wound around her finger. Damn , she’s stuck in a hard place though. Oh…? Excited to see what plan this is. Aw, is Ryumon planning to die to buy them time? Shimmering sky though! Oh, that’s what he meant by getting his kimono and tea set prepared. Hah, funny that they reference that directly in here. Damn , Ryumon. We get to see what Aoteru’s planning next week, then?
平殿器のカリスマ性、完全に周囲を掌握してるよな。でも彼女自身も厳しい立場に追い込まれてるのが興味深い。龍門は時間を稼ぐために自らを犠牲にするつもりか…あの「着物と茶器を用意しろ」という台詞、ここで回収されるとは。直接的に引用してくるのは面白いな。来週は青輝の作戦が明かされるのか?考察くん
Pleasant-Aspect2948
This anime not being the most popular this season and not trending #1 every week has got to be a CRIME. Not many are talking about it and NONE of the popular reaction channels are watching it. What?!
このアニメが今期人気1位じゃないとかマジでありえへんやろ。話題にしてる奴少なすぎやし、有名なリアクション勢も誰一人見てないってマジかよ。ワイ泣いてもうたわ2ちゃん
NoHead1715
原文
And therein lies the irony of being well-versed in military stratagem. If Wajima had been just a meathead with no knowledge of the Empty Fort Stratagem, she'd have rushed that old bastard drinking tea in the middle of a bridge. Ryumon was blessed by the heavens when that rain started. It's the kind of condition that no one wants to fight in even in our modern times. Also, this is what I was expecting from the castellan two episodes ago. If you have a castle to hole up in, you're supposed to use it to stall the enemy as long as possible. If they had done so earlier, Ryumon et al would have enough time to at least control this bridge instead of needing to use a last ditch effort like in this episode.
確かに兵法を知ってるからこその皮肉だよな。もし桜虎が空城の計を知らない脳筋だったら、橋の真ん中で茶飲んでるあのジジイに突っ込んでたはず。あの雨は龍門にとって天の恵みだったね。現代でも誰も戦いたくないコンディションだし。
それと、これは2話前に城主に期待してた動きでもある。籠城できる城があるなら、それで敵を足止めするのがセオリーだろ。もっと早くやってれば、龍門たちは橋を抑える時間ができて、今回みたいな最終手段に頼らずに済んだのに。普通くん
bushwarblerssong
原文
The castle situation is a bit different this time. I went into a tiny more detail in previous discussions, but the “Fukui Reiho Castle” is actually the Fukui Prefectural Government Office built on top of the ruins of Fukui Castle ruins. So it has a moat, even some of the original castle walls and was likely built with safety and protection in mind. The Kuzuryū Castle also isn’t an actual castle, but the Fukui Prefectural Dinosaur Museum with a wall. It has some forests, but is otherwise quite open and the buildings (you can see some of them in the OP) aren’t ideal for protection. We also don’t know how many went outside to fight and how many barricaded within the “castle.” Both Ouga and Yayakichi acknowledged the group did quite a lot of damage to Aterui’s troops, so they weren’t completely ineffective. Ouga’s troops arrived three hours after they were defeated and Katsuyama Castle and Ono Castle were also under attack. Ryūmon’s officers didn’t arrive in Okuetsu (that whole area) until an hour after. We know from this episode that they would have lost if spread thin, which is why Ryūmon has everyone gathered into Fukui Reiho Castle this episode while the Okuetsu groups didn’t have the luxury of time to do the same. Seii had more than double Ryūmon‘s troops, so in a way, the Kuzuryū group may have saved Ryūmon’s army.
今回の城の状況は少し異なる。以前の議論でも少し触れたが、「福井霊宝城」は実は福井城の遺構の上に建てられた福井県庁舎なんだ。だから堀があり、城壁の一部も残っていて、安全と防御を考慮して建てられた可能性が高い。一方、九頭竜城も実際の城ではなく、壁のある福井県立恐竜博物館だ。森林もあるが、それ以外は開けており、OPで見える建物は防御に適していない。また、外に出て戦った者と城内に立てこもった者の数も不明だ。平殿器と弥八吉は、彼らがアテルイの軍にかなりの損害を与えたことを認めており、完全に無力だったわけではない。平殿器の軍は彼らが敗れた3時間後に到着し、勝山城や大野城も攻撃を受けていた。龍門の将校たちが奥越(その一帯)に到着したのは1時間後だ。今回のエピソードから、もし兵力を分散させていれば敗北していたことが分かる。だから龍門は全員を福井霊宝城に集結させたが、奥越の部隊には同じことをする時間的余裕がなかった。征夷軍は龍門の2倍以上の兵力を持っていたため、ある意味で九頭竜の部隊が龍門軍を救ったとも言える。考察くん
saga999
Ryumon with balls of steel. He's truly the GOAT.
龍門マジで鋼のメンタル。まじで最強だわ。普通くん
chum-guzzling-shark
This show is amazing but for the first time I'm bothered by a detail. Why didnt she have her men light Ryumon up with arrows if she was retreating anyhow? She already lost face and he's supposedly this larger than life threat. Just take him out and go?!
確かに面白いんやけど、ワイもここだけ気になったわ。撤退するなら矢で龍門をブチ抜いとけば良かったやん。面目丸つぶれやし、アイツは脅威なんやからさっさと始末して退却すればええのに。2ちゃん
Saphyrz
No time to waste when you potentially have an army of 6000 waiting to ambush you. She wanted to be safe and retreat as fast as they could.
確かに6000の軍勢が待ち伏せしてるかもしれないって状況じゃ時間の無駄はできないよな。彼女は安全を優先して、可能な限り素早く撤退したかったんだろうね。普通くん
chum-guzzling-shark
I mean, i get that's what the story is implying. But its not like they turned tail and ran without their leader. They had to wait for her to make it back to the frontline, then run. She could have easily yelled "kill him" or whatever as she rushed back.
確かに物語の示唆は理解できる。だが彼らは指揮官を見捨てて一目散に逃げたわけじゃない。彼女が前線に戻るのを待ってから撤退している。彼女が戻る途中で「殺せ」と叫ぶこともできたはずだという考察ができる。考察くん
Saphyrz
And as she says herself, his death might be the signal for the ambush. She didn't want to risk it so she left without killing him
彼女自身も言ってたけど、彼を殺すと伏兵の合図になっちゃうかもしれないからね。リスクを冒したくなかったんだろうな。だから殺さずに去ったんだと思う。普通くん
PencilgonGiveIt2Ya
wow. fucking amazing. like realistically not much happened this episode, but so much actually did happen. incredibly well done. ༼;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽
マジでヤバすぎるッ!今週は「動きが少ない」ように見えて、めちゃくちゃ重要なこと起きてたんだよな。演出が神すぎて泣いた。༼;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽感情くん
runevault
原文
In the end Wajima was too smart for her own good, and Ryumon bet on that fact with his tea ceremony gambit. She imagined all the ways he could use the darkness to destroy her and her forces when she was advanced so far forward to kill him, and so she fled. She knew him well enough to know he might have some bullshit up his sleeve, and he understood her well enough to realize that she might think that way. Risky bet, beautifully played out and portrayed. Exceptional animation (minus some of the fire bits that I think were 3d, those looked weird...) and one of my favorite moments of the show so far.
ワジマは賢すぎたがゆえに自滅した感じやな。龍門は茶会の賭けに乗って、その読みを利用したんや。彼女が暗闇をどう使って自分と軍勢を潰すか想像しすぎて、逃げちまった。龍門が何か仕掛けてくるって知ってたし、龍門も彼女がそう考えるって読んでた。リスキーな賭けやったけど、見事に決まったわ。作画も神がかってた(火の3D部分はちょっと違和感あったけど…)。今シーズンで一番好きなシーンやわ。2ちゃん
Haise01
I've never been so nervous during a tea ceremony, this anime really knows how to build up tension! Ryumon is the goat, my faith has been restored that we might see victory.
茶会のシーンであんなに緊張したの初めてだわ、このアニメほんと緊張感の作り方上手いよな。龍門はマジで神だわ、勝利の希望が見えてきた。普通くん
AZLarlar
Ryumon holy SHIT
龍門ガチでやべえわwww2ちゃん
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Ryuumon really takes the cake for biggest badass in this series, the fact that he stayed firm after being shot by an arrow and engulfed in flames really represents the resolve he had with this bluff. I'm surprised by how that encounter went, I expected words to be exchanged, but Ryuumon's silence was a lot more powerful because Wajima had nothing to go off but her own imagination. It looks like her authority has now been jeopardized, I wonder what Yayakichi has in mind. I am not happy about Kaku's coughing, there were already death flags for him, but it looks like he'll be dying sooner than later.
龍門マジでシリーズ最強の漢だわ。矢を受けて炎に包まれても揺るがないって、あのハッタリにかける覚悟が半端ない。あの対峙には驚いたよ。言葉の応酬になると思ってたけど、龍門の沈黙が逆に強烈だった。輪島は想像でしか動けなくなるからな。彼女の権威はもう危うくなってるし、弥八は何考えてるんだろう。鶴の咳が気になる。死亡フラグは立ってたけど、思ったより早く逝きそうだな。普通くん
原文
Really like the show but cant get over this plothole. You get so close and then back out?? can't send a scout or smtg to decide? Literally guns exists here why would you not shoot from a distance back off when you can finish off one of the most terrifying enemy generals. Would be one thing if it was a small army of 80 or so.. This was not aura this was stupid writing. When liang used it he had a fort and the army of 2000 to convince the enemy of the ambush, here it was the literal middle of the bridge one shot and run off, how hard can it be. feel free to correct me if i am wrong
確かにこの場面は気になる点だな。作中で銃器が存在する以上、橋の上で一発撃って退却するだけで敵将を仕留められた可能性は否定できない。ただ、この作品の戦術描写は常に「敵の意図を読む」ことが前提で、龍門が即座に撤退したのは、単なる退却ではなく「苦肉計」的な要素——つまり敵に過剰な警戒心を抱かせず、後の戦略に繋げるため——という考察もできる。とはいえ、視聴者の「もっと合理的な手段があったのでは」という疑問はもっともだ。考察くん
Familiar-Junket9401
原文
She did point out that a possible signal for Yamato troops to start their ambush could be Ryumon’s death. So her choice in her head was kill him and prepare to deal with an ambush or just retreat. Her strategist also pointed out that if anyone was gonna kill him it had to be her, so if there was an ambush somewhere it all would’ve been because she let an arrow fly. I think it really showed a lot of great character moments, Ryumon was pretty cool but it also showed Ohga might be in way over her head. I can’t lie though, I was pretty disappointed she fell for it. She was right there!
確かに彼女は「龍門が死んだら大和軍が奇襲を仕掛けてくる合図になる」って指摘されてたよな。頭の中で「殺して奇襲に備えるか、撤退するか」を選んでたんだろうね。軍師も「殺すならお前しかいない」って言ってたし、もし伏兵がいたら全部は自分の判断ミスってことになる。龍門はかっこよかったけど、桜虎がまんまと引っかかったのはちょっと残念だったな。あと一歩だったのに!普通くん
Tempest321
原文
Though, to be fair, If Ryumon's death was the signal to an ambush, Wajima would be the first to go after him. Wajima is far more valuable than Ryumon at this point since she's the only thing holding up Seii as her strategist pointed out, compared to Yamato, where it still has the Emperor and Lord Taira despite their reputations. So that might have also played a factor tbh. It's like trading a rook for a king if it was not a bluff.
まあ確かに、龍門の死が奇襲の合図なら桜虎が真っ先に狙われるやろな。桜虎は聖夷を支える唯一の存在やし、大和にはまだ帝や平殿器がいるからな。ブラフじゃなかったらルークとキング交換みたいなもんや。それも考慮したんちゃうか。2ちゃん
mekerpan
I suspect that technology had not collapsed to the point that Ryumon's death/loss of consciousness could not set off some sort of deadman's switch that would blow up the bridge (with Wajima and al her top deputies and troops on it).
この橋の爆破は、龍門が事前に仕組んだデッドマンズスイッチだった可能性が高いな。つまり、彼の死亡または意識喪失をトリガーに、橋ごと輪島とその側近・部隊を道連れにする仕掛けが施されていた、という考察ができる。考察くん
HockeyHabits
Stupid writing? You are just too stupid to understand
同意。理解できてないだけだと思うよ普通くん
NoHead1715
The low visibility is the main reason. The scenario here is closer to what Zhang Fei did rather than Zhuge Liang. Same one man on bridge, low visibility behind him. In Zhang Fei's case, he created the dust cloud to hide a fake ambush. In Ryumon's case, he used the darkness of the night and approaching storm clouds for the same.
確かに低視認性が決定的な要素だな。この状況は諸葛亮ではなく張飛の戦術に近い。同じく一人で橋に立ち、背後を視認不能にしている。張飛が砂塵で偽の伏兵を隠したのに対し、龍門は夜闇と接近する嵐雲で同様の効果を生み出している。制作陣が三十六計をどう現代風にアレンジするか、その解釈の巧みさが光るシーンだ。考察くん
bushwarblerssong
原文
From the previous episodes, you can see that it’s the Yamato army that was using firearms, not Seii. Ouga’s actions aren’t meant to be seen as completely rational. Ryūmon basically killed her father, she’s still very traumatized and was having flashbacks at the beginning of the episode. They also weren’t supposed to meet in this way. That’s why her army is now questioning her judgement like you as the narration shared at the end of the episode and we saw that look of disappointment and concern on Yayakichi’s face.
なるほど。前のエピソード見ると火器使ってたのは聖夷じゃなくて大和軍の方だよね。平殿器の行動は完全に合理的ってわけじゃないし。龍門は父親を殺されたトラウマがあって、今回の冒頭でもフラッシュバックしてたし。本来こんな形で会う予定じゃなかったんだと思う。だから彼女の軍が判断を疑問視してるのもわかるし、エンディングで弥八の顔に失望と心配の表情があったのも納得だね。普通くん
Academic_Airline_232
ryumon had 8balls , he donated6 of them and they are known as infinity stones
やばくね!?龍門が8個も玉持ってて、そのうち6個を寄付してて、それがインフィニティ・ストーンって呼ばれてるってマジ!?笑ギャル
Low-Habit-3337
He's him
ガチで彼は彼自身って感じやなwww2ちゃん
SLE-6
Toradora looks different. Jokes aside what an episode. Ryumon is beyond cool as if we didn't already know that
トルネード(とらドラ!)と違うなw 冗談はさておき、今回のエピソードヤバすぎるッ!龍門のかっこよさがもう桁違い。知ってたけど改めて優勝すぎるッ!感情くん
2kenzhe
原文
LETS GOOOOOO RYUUMON SURVIVED!!! Kinda bs but I guess this is another failure of Wajima and doubt in her leadership has begun to sprout. Ryuumon really is built different. He's just sitting there menacingly. By simply his fucking aura basically while making tea he stopped an entire army. It really was the will of the heavens that he survived that. That shot of him with the arrow in his shoulder + the flames went hard. Wajima couldn't send the dragon to heaven. Tiger Vs Dragon for now the Dragon survives. I really hope he doesn't die. Now, how will Aoteru Misumi persuade the heavens? will the emperor help him or? will it be that fatso that comes with a large army and then everything falls apart? Man the next ep can't come soon enough I wished it was here already.
【考察】
龍門が生存したという展開、制作陣の意図が明確に読めるな。「天の意思」という表現が示す通り、彼の生存は単なるご都合主義ではなく、輪島桜虎に対する不信の種を撒く離間計の伏線として機能している。矢を肩に受けた状態で茶を淹れながら軍勢を威圧する描写は、臥薪嘗胆の精神を体現したものだ。虎vs龍の構図で言えば、龍門はまだ倒れるべき時ではない。
本題は、三角青輝がこれからどう「天を説得するか」だ。内務卿・平殿器が大軍を率いて介入する可能性を考慮すると、大和国全体の権力バランスが崩れる第三の勢力の台頭を示唆している。次回が待ち遠しい。考察くん
Boring_Champion_23
extremely excited by/for every single episode of this beautiful show
この美しい作品の毎話毎話、めちゃくちゃ楽しみだよ普通くん
UnloadedFour314
What an insane episode.. very captivating from start to finish, and that ending gave me goosebumps. This is how you setup a climax!
やばくね!?今回のエピソードまじでやばかったんだけど!!最初から最後まで釘付けで、ラストなんて鳥肌止まらなかったし笑。これぞクライマックスの盛り上げ方じゃん!ギャル
New-Artichoke-3427
This dragon had balls not shenron from dragon ball but balls dat could crush wishes!
このドラゴン、マジで度胸ありすぎやろwww ドラゴンボールの神龍ちゃうで、願い事すら粉砕する剛の者や!!2ちゃん
Horiki
I'm very disappointed with Wajima. Jesus, now the army will start to doubt and that will be the end of the Sei conquest.
輪島には本当にがっかりだよ。もう軍隊が疑心暗鬼になって聖夷征服も終わりだな。普通くん
eyyy_20
Ryumon's quote, " What we should truly fear is not death, but failing to live up to the life we have been given, " hit me so hard. Does anyone know if this is phrase is from another source and does anyone know the phrase in japanese?
龍門の「本当に恐れるべきは死ではなく、与えられた生に応えられぬことだ」って台詞、ガチで刺さったわ。このフレーズ、元ネタあるんか?日本語でなんて言うか知ってる人おる?2ちゃん
AfterOwlsStudio
I love this anime so much. Are there any other similar strategy anime out there?
このアニメめっちゃ好き。他に似たような戦略アニメってある?普通くん
AshenBluesz
Kingdom anime is the closest thing to this, and probably its direct inspiration since there are a lot of similarities
キングダムのアニメがこれに一番近いンゴねぇ、しかも直接のインスパイア元やろな。似てるとこ多すぎやし2ちゃん
Tempest321
Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Kingdom.
銀河英雄伝説とキングダムを足した感じだね。普通くん
Limp_Mammoth_816
武兎惇による金沢での夜襲は失敗に終わったが、 その間にも、聖夷軍主力は辺境将軍隊本隊に向けて進軍を続けていた。 今、桜虎と龍門の決戦の時が迫ろうとしていた
武兎惇の夜襲は失敗したけど、その隙に聖夷軍主力は龍門たち本隊に向かって進軍してたのか…! ついに桜虎vs龍門の決戦が始まるッ! もう緊張しすぎてしんどい…!感情くん
AAA_BATT
Ryumon the GOAT!!
龍門はマジで最高だな!!普通くん
RehabCenterInc
Unc has insane aura
やばくね!?あのジジイ、オーラやばすぎるんだけど!笑ギャル
Leeemon
I too would not have crossed that bridge. The flames were too much even for me!
俺もあの橋は渡らなかったな。あの炎は俺でも無理だわ!普通くん
NightSVS
Holy fucking shit, glad I didn't sleep on this one. I'm hooked.
うわまじかよ、これ見逃さなくて良かったッ!完全にハマった。感情くん
HighwayMassive1234
damn, never imagined anyone would ever manage to make sense of that stratagem. but i kinda see it. some scenes can be so absurd that every fiber of your being would just shout "run!". they made a great job showcasing that.
あの戦略を理解できるやつが出てくるとは思わんかったわ。でもなんとなく分かるンゴ。いくつかのシーンはマジで「逃げろ!」って全身が叫ぶレベルの異常さやった。それを描き切ったスタッフはガチで凄いわ。草2ちゃん
Majesticeuphoria
I had goosebumps for the entire scene. Wow.
まじで鳥肌止まんなかったんだけど!やばすぎでしょ!!ギャル
Manga18
Everything is really cool but the plans are way to feeble to be belivable. This isn't as bad as the total suicide of the castle guards but still not great
確かに世界観はカッコいいんだけど、計画が弱すぎてリアリティないよな……。城の警備隊が全滅するほどの自殺行為ってのはさすがに論外だけど、それでもまだマシってレベルじゃない。感情くん
FeedDelicious8846
THATS WHY HES THE GOAT
だからこそ彼が最高(GOAT)すぎるんだよッ!!!感情くん
Relative-Seaweed-590
YOOOOO THE AURA FARM IS CRAAZZYYY!!! HUGE RESPECT
YOOOOO オーラやばすぎンゴwww マジでリスペクトしかないわ2ちゃん
LargeAngryFish
Every episode has been better than the last. This is blowing everything else out of the water this season.
毎回毎回「前回より良くなってる!」ってなるんだけど!?今期のアニメの中でダントツで優勝してるわマジでッ!!感情くん
Nickthenuker
原文
So, a big battle is coming. I mean they're on the defensive, Seii needs a 3 to 1 advantage in numbers to win. So she moved to cut off the troops in the north? Yep. And now they have to make a bridge crossing under fire and cut off from supplies. This will be bloody. Barricading? So, what's the plan? Ensnare? Buy time? Yeah no he's important he can't just throw that away like that. Yeah it's a no-brainer to immediately try and take him out. Why in the world would they be advancing... They're outnumbered and on the defensive. Advancing in that situation will just cost valuable lives and materiel that would be better used in fortifying the Festung and daring the enemy to bash their heads against it. Just charge in and take him out, even if he's got troops behind him taking him out would cripple their defence. Devastating losses? You've got like a dozen guys here in an army of tens of thousands, losing them would barely affect the balance of power, but just the chance to take him out would make it worth it. Yep. Also I wouldn't advance the entire army down the bridge right now, just run some cav over to take him out while he's here. So, all that and she didn't even take him out. He's sending him off as a dispatch rider? An audience with the emperor?
大きな戦いが来るな。防戦側で聖夷は3対1の兵力差が必要って話だから、北の部隊を遮断しようと動いたのか。なるほど。で、今は橋を渡るのに火力を浴びながら補給も断たれてる状態。血みどろになりそうだ。防壁築いて、策は?包囲?時間稼ぎ?いや、あいつは重要だからそんな簡単に捨てられない。即座に狙うのは当然だろ。なんで前進するんだ…数で劣って防戦側なのに。そんな状況で前進したら貴重な兵と物資を無駄にするだけだ。要塞に籠もって敵を迎え撃つ方がマシ。突撃して奴を討ち取れ。背後に部隊がいても、奴を倒せば防衛が崩れる。壊滅的損失?数万の軍の中で十数人程度、失っても戦力バランスは変わらない。討ち取れる可能性があるなら価値はある。そうだな。それに橋に全軍を進めるんじゃなくて、今のうちに騎兵だけ走らせて討ち取るべきだ。で、結局あれだけやっても討ち取れなかったのか。彼を伝令として送り出すのか?皇帝への謁見?普通くん
FairyFireDeck
Genuinely don’t understand why she couldn’t just send a couple people to scout ahead then retreat?
確かに!普通は斥候送ってから撤退するでしょ!なんでそれをやらないんだ…マジで意味わからんすぎるッ!感情くん
letsgoToshio
原文
In all honesty, the simple reason is because this show is heavily inspired by the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and this specific scenario is basically an adaptation of Zhuge Liang successfully using the empty fort strategy. The story goes that Zhuge Liang was tasked with defending a city against an overwhelming force of 100,000+ soldiers. Realizing that he was hopelessly outnumbered, he opened the gates and had his soldiers pretend to be civilians sweeping the streets while he calmly sat on the battlements and played his guiqin. Fearing an ambush, the opposing general hastily retreated (without even sending scouts ahead to check). All that is to say, you're completely right that there are at least a dozen things that Waijima and the Seii army could have done, such as sending scouts or just shooting Ryumon from a distance. However, like with Zhuge Liang playing his guiqin on the battlements, the story of Ryumon "defeating" a vastly superior Seii force at the Kuzuryu River bridge by holding a tea ceremony is a fun "lesson" in deception in war, the creation of a living legend, and an opportunity to let Ryumon aura farm harder than ever before.
確かにその通りだね。この作品が『三国志演義』から強く影響を受けてて、このシーンは諸葛亮の空城計をそのままアレンジしたものだと思う。話としては、諸葛亮が圧倒的な10万以上の敵軍から城を守る任務を負って、門を開けて兵士に掃除させながら城壁で琴を弾いてたんだよ。敵将は罠を恐れて斥候すら送らず撤退した。つまり輪島と聖夷軍が斥候を送ったり遠距離攻撃したりできたのは完全に正しいけど、龍門が茶会を開いて圧倒的優勢な聖夷軍を打ち負かすって話は、戦争における欺瞞の面白い教訓であり、伝説を作り、龍門のオーラをこれまで以上に強く見せるチャンスなんだよね。普通くん
Sea_Ad_463
this anime is getting sleep on. back in my day this will be on top
このアニメ、埋もれすぎでしょッ!昔なら間違いなくトップだったのに… しんどい感情くん
GroundbreakingLab801
I’m really struggling with my suspension of disbelief here, they shot him with 1 arrow and set him on fire and he still lived? It’s really unbelievable that a torrential downpour came out of nowhere and was strong enough to drench the flames without him moving. Also there was simply no reason to not send an order to kill him as they were retreating, no commander is that stupid.
いや、さすがにこれはご都合主義すぎない?矢を一本食らって火をつけられたのに生きてるって…突然の大雨で火が消えるって展開も強引すぎるし。撤退中に止めを刺す指示出さないとか、指揮官がバカすぎるだろ。普通くん
lit_tle_asian
Wind was a paid actor
風は雇われた役者やろ草2ちゃん
Doomroar
原文
This story is nice and all, but the people that were comparing it to Orb in episode 1 oversold it, and as thus they low key ruined the experience for me, because this doesn't even reaches he ankles of what Orb had achieved by this point Hype is a powerful tool and you guys need to be more responsible with how you manage it Anyway with expectations adjusted, that was a very nice Ryumon set on fire 3D model they used, it also feels quite niche to make a whole 3D model of Ryumon sitting with a kimono on fire, which makes me wonder if they will use it again as a set piece for merch rather than for future episodes Very convenient that Ryumon only counted on his bluff working or dying, and on Wajima not having any plan besides addressing the immediate distraction, back in the day of older Warhammer40k editions Distraction Carnifexes were a popular strategy to use, you send out a relatively valuable unit to bait your enemy into deploying their forces against it while you take their other objectives, ambush them from behind, or set them up for a pincer attack But nowadays that strategy is no longer that valuable, not only because Carnifexes aren't all that good anymore, but also because your opponent can plan ahead and look forward to connect a move after willingly taking the bait, so yes you go an attack the distraction Carnifexes, but after mobilizing your troops all the way there, you use that momentum to just keep going and advances towards the next objective, so even if there are troops popping behind you, or waiting ahead, you are prepared to keep moving forward Which means that what would have become an ambush becomes a chase in your favor, and what would have become a pincer attack becomes a blitz in your favor Wajima however was only concerned with dealing with Ryumon in what wasn't even a duel, and didn't had any considerations for what to do after Ryumon was dealt with, which to me is quite strange how unprepared she and her sub commander were, specially because killing Ryumon is an strategic victory in itself, far from an empty fort, that's one of the main commanders of Yamato right there, all it takes is firing more arrows and then retreat if a fear of an attack from behind was her main worry, in which case she should have left some look outs and some guards protecting their main fort rather than deploying her whole army into the bridge So while this is a failure on Wajima's part putting all the blame on her looks quite unfair to me, specially when her own general was the one that sold and fueled the idea of the empty fort, despite there being already quite a big gain in there even if they get ambushed they would have gotten Ryumon's head
確かに話は面白いけど、ep1でオーブと比較してた人たちが過剰に盛りすぎたせいで、ちょっと冷めちゃったな。今のところオーブの足元にも及んでないし。期待値の管理って大事だよね。とはいえ、龍門が燃えてる3Dモデルは良かったし、着物に火つけて座ってるモデルを作るってニッチすぎて逆にすごい。グッズ用なのかなって思っちゃう。
龍門のブラフ戦略は分かるけど、桜虎がその後何も考えてなかったのは驚き。龍門を討ち取るだけでも十分な戦果なのに、橋に全軍投入するのはリスク高すぎ。空砲のアイデアを売った将軍にも責任あるし、桜虎だけ責めるのはちょっと酷だと思う。普通くん
lucaez89
La tigresa esta bien loquita, sus discursos son tan incomodos como su llanto y esta llena de simps :V medio pelo esa lider . La escena del puente con todo y tacticas, se sintió forzada.
桜虎のヤバさやばくね?演説も泣き方もキモすぎて気持ち悪いし、周りにsimpしかいないし:V リーダーとしては微妙すぎるわ。橋のシーンも戦術込みで無理やり感がすごかった。感情くん
secret_tsukasa
Love commander wajima. Hope she succeeds.
わかる!桜虎めっちゃ好きなんだけど!彼女にはまじで成功してほしいよね~!ギャル
86_Undertaker
原文
I'd appreciate it, if you guys can tell me what makes this anime so good(looking at MAL score). The art style is unique and I'm starting to warm up with it. But that's basically it in my eyes. There is so much you can and should do like focus on character development/telling us more about their personality. For now there isn't much, no real depth for any character and especially not on Misumi, he only feels like a background character right now. He's smart and wants revenge, but you can't leave it like that after 3 eps, nothing happened with him afterwards and that is meant literally, since the screentime focus is on Ryuumon and Seii and while much is shown there isn't much told. As well there is such a lack of action. It's described as a warfare/military/politic anime with nations and war, but whenever there is the chance for some big combat we only get told there were any and/or shown the aftermath. Especially the way the story gets told, it feels so unconnected and distant. Maybe I got the wrong expectations with ep1, but when it comes to story, character/character dynamics, worldbuilding and action everything feels shallow so far.
確かに君の言いたいことは分かるよ。MALの高スコアだけ見ると期待しすぎちゃうかもな。
- 作画は確かに独特でいいけど、それだけって感じだよね
- キャラの深掘りが足りない。特に青輝が背景キャラみたいになってる
- 復讐心あるのに3話経っても動きがないのはもどかしい
- 戦争・政治モノって謳ってるのに、肝心の戦闘シーンがほぼ説明だけ
- ストーリーの語り方が断片的で距離感ある
俺も1話のインパクトで期待しすぎたかも。現状、キャラ・世界観・アクション全部浅いってのは同意。普通くん
Haise01
原文
I think other people will explain better why the anime is great, but it reminds me of Game of Thrones in the sense that we don't simply follow the protagonist, but a huge cast of characters including the enemies which give us a clear vision of what's happening. Also the story doesn't slow down, they don't bother giving every character a backstory until we get to what the show is really about, we're almost at war and we get to understand the characters as we see them go through the journey, it truly feels like an anime for an older audience.
この作品の素晴らしさは他の人が詳しく語ると思うけど、俺としては『ゲーム・オブ・スローンズ』に通じる構造があると考察できる。単に主人公を追うだけでなく、敵陣営も含めた多角的な視点で物語が展開する点が秀逸だ。さらに、ストーリーのテンポが速く、各キャラクターの背景を逐一説明するのではなく、戦争目前の緊張感の中で彼らの行動を通じて理解させる手法は、明らかに大人向けのアニメーションとして計算されている。この物語設計は、視聴者に深い没入感を与える伏線と言える。考察くん
Tempest321
Agree. It feels like I'm watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes haha. Definitely something an older audience would appreciate. It's long-term storytelling where things don't get answered from the get-go. It sets up the main actors and their motivations to eventually culminate into something big later on.
せやな。銀河英雄伝説見てる気分やわw ガチで大人向けやろこれ。最初から答え出さない長期スパンの語り口で、主要キャラとその動機をじっくり積み上げて後でデカい爆発させるスタイルやん。草2ちゃん
-Ajaxx-
Grand Strategy is a genre and not everything needs fight sakuga. also if you watched to the end of this ep Misumi is clearly coming to the fore.
グラストは一つのジャンルであって、全部が戦闘サクガである必要はないんだよ。それに今回の話を最後まで見たなら、三角が明らかに前面に出てきてるだろ!感情くん
MuffinsAndPie
Dropping this at this point, it cannot be taken seriously
もうここで降りるわ、ガチで見るに耐えんwww2ちゃん