AutoLovepon+741
辺境将軍隊、出陣
聖夷では輪島桜虎が大和討伐を掲げ、新たな独裁体制を確立した。一夜にして新政権を樹立し、各地で決意表明を行った桜虎は、その人柄と政治手腕で民の心を掴み、聖夷国内での大和討伐の機運は高まっていく。
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Se7en_Sinner
Last episode was basically a propaganda piece for Seii and now we have Kaku dismantling said propaganda. Some people are willing to throw everything away just because the dictator is attractive.
最後の話、正義のためのプロパガンダ回すぎてヤバかったのに、今度は華陀がそれをぶっ壊しにかかってるのエモすぎるッ!独裁者がイケメンだからって全てを投げ出す人いるけど、しんどすぎるわ…感情くん+107
cleaulem
But who says that Kaku isn't just spitting out propaganda himself? That he points out Seii's hypocricy because they are the enemy. In a war of information, you can never really be sure who tells the truth, the only point of reference is ultimately who your loyalty belongs to.
確かに、Kaku自身がプロパガンダをまき散らしている可能性は否定できないな。敵対するSeiiの偽善を暴くのは、単に敵だからという理由かもしれない。情報戦争において、真実を見極めるのは困難で、最終的な拠り所は自分が誰に忠誠を誓うかだけだ。この視点、深い考察ができる。考察くん+82
septesix
I think it’s less about propaganda and more about Kaku having the counter-argument ready on a dime. You can raise doubt in Ohga’s intention, but it’s hard to argue with the result. Not to mention Kaku’ own argument has holes as well. It’s just the chief clerk was not smart enough to argument about it.
確かにプロパガンダってより、カクが即座に反論用意できてるって感じだよね。オウガの意図に疑問を持てても、結果には反論しづらいし。 それにカク自身の主張にも穴はあるんだよ。ただ主任書記がそれに気づいて反論できる頭がなかっただけだと思う。普通くん+54
justsyr
The act of giving porridge to the people with the rice that people paid with taxes isn't an act of benevolence? Chief could have said that she wasn't the one that taxed the people and even worse stored the rice surely to give it only to the nobles or whatever high society. She was just liberating what the government took away from the people.
「税金で集めた米を粥にして民に分け与えるのが、どうして善意じゃないんだよ」って話よな。首長だったら「ワイは税金なんて取ってねえし、むしろ米を貯め込んで貴族とかにだけ配ってたわ」とか言い訳できたやん。彼女はただ政府が民から奪ったもんを解放しただけやろ。2ちゃん+20
Torque-A
When a girl stages a coup to sow discord in the country for revenge but she's a cutie
女の子が復讐のためにクーデターを起こして国に混乱を広めてるけど、可愛いから許されるって感じだね。普通くん+29
drt0
原文
>Some people are willing to throw everything away just because the dictator is attractive. I mean... On a serious note, though, even if Ouga's goal is revenge, she still seems like a preferable alternative to the Tairas. The only other better alternative we've been shown is for the Border Corps to coup the Taira regime and rule Yamato themselves, but that's either not considered at the moment or (more likely) still a secret plan.
> 独裁者がイケメンってだけで全てを投げ出す連中もいるんだよな まあな… 真面目な話、鳳雅の目的が復讐だとしても、平家よりはマシな選択肢に見えるンゴ 他にマシな選択肢って言ったら辺境軍が平家クーデターしてヤマトを統治するくらいやけど、今はまだ考えられてないか(あるいは極秘計画の可能性大)2ちゃん+20
ultradouble
I literally said "well shit, they need to defect" just before that guy spoke up with the same concerns as me and got thoroughly dismantled by Kaku. I love this show lmao
「おいマジかよ、こいつら寝返るしかないだろ」ってまさに俺が思った瞬間に、あのキャラが同じ疑問を口にして、華陀に完璧に論破されてたんだよな。このアニメ好きすぎるわ笑感情くん+6
bushwarblerssong
原文
Loved the nighttime scenes only illuminated by the stars and lanterns inspired by ukiyo-e and shin-hanga prints. That was some interesting role-reversal with Aoteru being the hothead and Tsune-chan being the cool-headed one. It reminds me of episode 1 when Saki shut down Aoteru over-analyzing and rambling about her wedding dress. Tsune-chan finding Ouga pathetic for seeking to avenge her father is quite ironic and funny given his own desires and how he is currently working on his mother's biography. The **"Wait, hold on" or "Cho, mate-ya (ちょ、待てや)"** by Tsune-chan is a Kansai version of Takuya Kimura's "Cho, mate-yo (ちょ、待てよ)" from the TV drama Love Generation, which everyone loves to say when imitating the actor. Their back-and-forth at the end was yet another manzai act with Tsune-chan interjecting ("tsukkomi") with common straight-man quips "You don't know? You don't say? (わからへんのかい)." This episode in particular was full of Chinese references and I know we have some Three Kingdoms experts here who can hopefully expand on some of them. The **"self-torture ruse/self-injury stratagem" or** **"kuniku no kei (苦肉計)"** is the 34th stratagem in the Thirty-Six Stratagems and was used by Huang Gai in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms at the Battle of Red Cliffs to deceive Cao Cao. The general pretended to have been tortured by his leader Zhou Yu to convince Cao Cao that he had defected to his side, bringing with him warships secretly filled with fuel to set fire to Cao Cao's own fleet. In our scenario, both Ouga and Ryūmon are Zhou Yu, with Mūton and perhaps involuntarily Moriyama as Huang Gai, but does that make Aoteru Gan Ning?  The **"alienation strategem/strategy to sow discord" or "Rinkan no kei (離間計)"** has a number of Three Kingdoms examples, such as Cao Cao turning Ma Chao and Han Sui against each other. We see Denki taking advantage of the discord between his son and Ryūmon, but we also know that Ryūmon and Kaku had the foresight to anticipate Denki's plans and employ their own stratagems. When Aoteru thanks Tsune-chan, he quotes from the 8th chapter of the Tao Te Ching.  Kaku's last words to Aoteru come from the 5th century BCE Chinese idiom **"Sleep on firewood and taste gall" (gashin shōtan 臥薪嘗胆)** from the war between the Southern states of Wu and Yue about enduring great hardship and humiliation to achieve revenge. It also appears in Su Shi's 11th century poem, "Imitation of Sun Quan's Reply to Cao Cao," where the author writes as Sun Quan rejecting Cao Cao's proposal for surrender. In Meiji era Japan, it became a national slogan used by the government to counter criticism of their handling of the Triple Intervention and to encourage the public to endure hardship to eventually take revenge on Russia. But rather than tasting gall, Aoteru must persuade the heavens.
夜のシーン、浮世絵と新版画にインスパイアされた星明かりと提灯だけの照明、ガチで良かったわ。 青輝が熱血で常ちゃんが冷静って役割逆転面白かったな。第1話でサキが青輝のウェディングドレス考察を遮ったの思い出したわ。 常ちゃんが父親の仇討ちに執着する鴎外を「哀れ」って言うの、自分も母親の伝記書いてる身で言うの草生える。 常ちゃんの「ちょ、待てや」はキムタクの「ちょ、待てよ」の関西版なんやな。最後の掛け合いはまた漫才やったな。「わからへんのかい」のツッコミwww 今回は中国ネタ満載やったな。三国志に詳しい人解説頼むわ。 苦肉計は黄蓋が赤壁の戦いで使った戦術やな。鴎外と竜門が周瑜で、夢トンと森山が黄蓋ってとこか?じゃあ青輝は甘寧なんか? 離間計は曹操が馬超と韓遂を仲違いさせた例があるな。伝鬼が息子と竜門の離間を利用したけど、竜門と郭嘉はそれを読んでたんやな。 青輝が常ちゃんに礼を言うとき、老子第8章を引用してたわ。 郭嘉の最後の言葉は「臥薪嘗胆」やな。呉と越の戦いから来た故事で、明治日本では三国干渉への復讐スローガンになった。でも青輝は胆を舐める代わりに天を説得せなあかんのや2ちゃん+93
bushwarblerssong
原文
I've made some corrections and updates to the previous entries and the official anime site has added two new terms. Glossary 1, Glossary 2. They've also added stills that you can download. # Glossary **【Anti-Surrender Faction】** The Seii faction formed to prevent unconditional surrender to the Yamato state.  Acting as its Commander-in-Chief, Ginzan Security Force Captain・Ouga Wajima led over 500 officers and soldiers from her unit to carry out a coup d'état. **【Pro-Surrender Faction】** A faction within the Seii Government that has decided to accept unconditional surrender to the Yamato state. Members of the faction include: Governor of Arms・Rinririn Satō, Governor of Seiro・Hikabi Asahima, President of Seii・Haruichi Azami.
前回の用語集に修正と追加があったよ。公式サイトも更新されてて、用語解説1と2、あとダウンロードできるスチルも追加された。 # 用語集 **【抗降伏派】** ヤマト国への無条件降伏を阻止するために結成された正伊内の派閥。銀山警備隊長・輪島鴎花が総司令として、配下の将兵500人以上を率いてクーデターを起こした。 **【親降伏派】** ヤマト国への無条件降伏を受け入れた正伊政府内の派閥。兵器総督・佐藤燐燐、征路総督・朝比真日火、正伊大統領・莢春一らが所属する。普通くん+41
Neutron_Starrr
Thanks for giving us more depth and a little tidbit on every discussion thread!
ありがとう!毎回のスレッドに深みと小ネタを追加してくれてマジ感謝すぎるッ!感情くん+9
bushwarblerssong
Thank you, appreciate your comment. Just want everyone to understand just how much effort the mangaka has put into his work, although I’m sure I’m still missing a lot of references (especially Three Kingdoms ones).
せやな、ワイのコメに感謝やで。作者がどんだけ作品に心血注いでるか分かってほしいンゴ。まあワイもまだまだ見逃してるネタ多いと思うけどな(特に三国志関連は)。2ちゃん+6
nofaxxspitintruflego
i absolutely ADORE so many of our good guys but i SUGOI ADORE aoteru-chans and tsune-chans relationship! its like the perfect ying and yang, the egg and the ramen, the moon and the sun etc (im rambling) just absolute kino
わかる。夜のシーンの浮世絵っぽい演出、めっちゃ良かったよね。 俺も仲間キャラみんな好きだけど、青輝ちゃんと恒ちゃんの関係性がマジで最高! 陰と陽、卵とラーメン、月と太陽みたいな完璧なバランスだよね(語彙力ないけど) まさに神回。普通くん+16
Even-Value8075
yes i love them sm... i love that so much of the JP fandom ships them lol
それな!まじで推せるよね…日本のファンの間でめっちゃカップリングされてるの知ってるんだけど、それも含めて最高じゃん笑ギャル+9
MrDerpHerpson
lovely write up but you're forgetting Tsune-chan-san's second honorific 🤓 /s
確かに、その解説も一理あるでござるな。しかし、常ちゃんさんの二つ目の敬称を忘れておるようで、某、少々気になり申した。武士+7
septesix
With a name like Sangoku, I expected it would draw inspiration from the Romance of the three kingdom. I just don’t quite epxeted such an obvious one.
やばくね!?名前が三國って時点で三国志からインスパイアされてるのはわかってたけど、ここまでガッツリ来るとは思わなかったわ笑ギャル+5
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
I always appreciate the subtle art of war and the strategem that goes along with it. There's really something to be said for when an anime is able to constantly keep me on my toes. Hands down the best of spring thus far. Denki be like god sending his (only?) son to save the people of Seii from their sins Lmao. Trap or not, blood will surely be spilled and it may ultimately come down to Aoteru to pick up the pieces.
まあ戦略や駆け引きが細かく描かれてるのは悪くないな。常に気を抜けない展開にしてくれるアニメってのは貴重だよ。今期では一番だろうな。 デンキはまるで神が唯一の子を遣わしてセイイの人々を罪から救うみたいなもんだな(笑)。罠だろうがなんだろうが血は流れるし、最終的にはアオテルが後始末をする羽目になるんだろうな。ドライおじ+94
DugACCat
I’m loving the blends of things in this anime. Almost feels like Fallout mixed with Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Feels very cleverly written while also doing a good job of bringing the viewer along and letting us understand the subtleties being unveiled. But also leaving plenty of mysteries and uncertainties. Great comedic over the top characters that still manage to feel imposing or dangerous.
せやな、このアニメの要素の混ぜ方がガチでええわ。Falloutと三國志混ぜたみたいな感じやん。巧妙に書かれてるし、視聴者にもわかりやすく見せてくれてるのがGOOD。謎も残しつつ、ギャグ強めのキャラもちゃんと怖さ出せてるのが草。2ちゃん+34
Donnie-G
原文
The Taira family was an actual family during the Heian period. Which like the Three Kingdoms, has been romanticized and turned into stories. Namely, Heike Monogatari (which there's also an anime about by Science SARU). The real Taira family were also the puppet masters behind the Emperor at the time and were quite tyrannical. So this feels like a fusion of Heike Monogatari and Three Kingdoms somewhat. I do wonder if there's more historical references that I just didn't recognize. I'll be keeping an eye out for any Minamotos, who were the family that opposed the Tairas during the Genpei War.
確かに平家は平安時代の実在の一族で、三国志と同じく物語化されてるんだよね。特に『平家物語』(サイエンスSARUのアニメもある)が有名。実際の平家は当時の天皇の背後で操る傀儡師で、かなり暴虐的だったみたい。だからこのアニメは平家物語と三国志の融合って感じがするな。他にも気づいてない歴史ネタがあるか気になる。源平合戦で平家と対立した源氏が出てこないか注目してるよ。普通くん+21
bushwarblerssong
The Taira were real, but a clan not just a family as they are in this series. Tsune-chan is based on Minamoto no Yoshitsune and he is also in Heike Monogatari, but there are many Japanese historical references in Nippon Sangoku, from the Nara period to the Showa period (with Heisei and Reiwa pop culture, too).
確かに、平家は実在した一族だが、本作で描かれるような単なる家系ではなく、実際は武家の氏族集団だったという考察ができる。ツネちゃんのモデルは源義経で、平家物語にも登場する存在だが、『日本三國』には奈良時代から昭和(さらに平成・令和のポップカルチャーまで)に至るまで、実に多くの日本史的な引用が散りばめられているのが興味深い。考察くん+6
_WrongKarWai
I have a friend that is from the Taira clan. His ancestors left for Brazil so he's a Brazilian Japanese and came here to the US to study and work. Loved Heike Monogatari - epic tale and well written.
マジで!?平家の子孫の友達いるとかやばくね!? しかもブラジル経由でアメリカに来てるとかリアルすぎるんだけど笑 それに『平家物語』も神作品だよね〜 壮大なストーリーでめっちゃ読み応えあるし!ギャル+5
nofaxxspitintruflego
the dialogue popping off here is up there rivaling shibuya arc in jjk, or any other peak action i need more now
確かに。ここでの会話の応酬は、呪術廻戦の渋谷事変とか、他のピークなアクションシーンに匹敵するレベルだな。 もっと見たいわ。ドライおじ+8
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
原文
Kaku tearing down Wajima's "benevolence" is so relevant to the state of politics today. Those elected in public office are first and foremost, public servants. Not idols. It is their job to serve and live up to the public trust given to them. So while it isn't bad to praise them for the good things they do, we should also never forget how exactly they came to be in power. It's also a matter of time before the Taira's hubris gets to them. I really wanted the Emperor to grow some spine during Ryumon's audience, but it's understandable that his fear towards Taira would cloud his judgment. It was an open secret that they poisoned the previous Emperor after all, and they could easily replace him if they wanted to. The rot within Yamato's governance is reiterated more in this episode as it was so unnerving that they let a literal child lead a whole government bureau due to his name. Even more so when the said child could freely act impudently in front of Yamato's figureheads without consequences. But then again, he never stood a chance with the elder Taira as his father. I really need Aoteru to lock in and succeed in his goals and I'm glad that despite working for the government, his ideals remain unchanged. And I could just hope that the same would remain intact as he reaches for the future he and Saki desired.
賈クがワジマの「仁義」をぶった切るシーン、今の政治にめっちゃ刺さるわ。公職に選ばれた人間はまず第一に公僕であって、アイドルじゃないんだよ。与えられた信頼に応えて仕えるのが仕事だ。だから良いことをしたら称賛するのは悪くないけど、そもそもどうやって権力の座に就いたかを忘れちゃいけない。 タイラの傲慢さがいつか自分たちに跳ね返ってくるのは時間の問題だな。リュウモンとの謁見の時に天皇にはもっと毅然としてほしかったけど、タイラへの恐怖で判断が曇るのは理解できる。前の天皇を毒殺したのは公然の秘密だし、簡単にすげ替えられるからな。 今回のエピソードでもヤマトの政治の腐敗が強調されてたけど、名前だけで子どもに政府の役所を任せるのは本当にゾッとするわ。しかもその子がヤマトの象徴たちの前で無礼に振る舞っても何のお咎めなしだし。でも父親がタイラの長老じゃ勝ち目はなかったか。 アオテルには本気で目標を達成してほしいし、政府に勤めながらも理想を変えてないのが嬉しい。サキと望んだ未来に向かって進む中で、その姿勢が変わらないことを願うばかりだ。普通くん+81
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
>it's understandable that his fear towards Taira would cloud his judgment If the emperor had an actual backbone, he wouldn't be the emperor today. He's a puppet in every sense of the word. > they let a literal child lead a whole government bureau due to his name You may believe it to be nepotism through and through, but I wouldn't underestimate the power a snot-nosed kid holds regardless of his last name. You already fell into the natural trap of judging someone by their appearance alone. And if Tonotsugu is every bit as cunning and as cut-throat as his father is, I have reason to believe that the report of a Seii defector and subsequent move into enemy territory is calculated af. Surely Denki isn't dumb to send his son marching to an early grave, but I also wouldn't put it past him to sacrifice his own flesh and blood to justify a corresponding move either.
> 「平家への恐怖で判断が曇るのは理解できる」 帝にマジの核があったら今頃帝じゃないンゴwww 完全に操り人形やんけ > 「名前だけでガキに省庁まるごと任せるってマジ?」 完全な縁故やと思ってるかもしれんが、ワイは名字関係なしに鼻タレ小僧の実力を舐めちゃいかんと思うで。もう見た目だけで判断する罠にハマっとるやん。もし利度が親父と同じくらい狡猾で非情なら、征夷の亡命報告とその後の敵地移動はガチで計算尽くやと思うわ。 伝輝もまさか息子を死地に送るバカやないやろけど、逆に肉親を犠牲にして動きの口実にする可能性も否定できへんで。2ちゃん+29
drt0
>You may believe it to be nepotism through and through, but I wouldn't underestimate the power a snot-nosed kid holds regardless of his last name. Maybe true in the world of anime but I'm doubtful that in reality an 7-9 year old child would make for a good leader especially when it comes to strategy and diplomacy.
確かにアニメの世界ならともかく、現実で7〜9歳の子供がリーダーとして優れてるとは思えないよね。特に戦略や外交に関してはね。普通くん+23
ShinobiZilla
Misumi getting sidetracked to talk about the echizen crab while Moriyami getting exiled to Fukui had me bawling.
三國の地にて、越前ガニの話に逸れるミスミと、福井へと追放されたモリヤマ。この運命の交錯に我が涙は止まらなかったのだ。中二病+69
justsyr
I love how they speed up his rambling when he goes out of topic.
わかる!話題それたときの早口マジで好きなんだけど笑 三隅が越前ガニの話で脱線してる間に森山が福井に左遷されてて泣いたじゃん!ギャル+14
Even-Value8075
he's so cute 😭
確かに、あのシーンは泣けたよね。でも彼、可愛すぎるだろ😭普通くん+8
_WrongKarWai
ahah he is a librarian / historian
せやな、司書で歴史家やもんなwww あのエチゼンガニの脱線と福井送りの流れでワイも泣いてまってたわwww2ちゃん+7
guynumbers
Kaku is trying his hardest to amount as many death flags as possible 😭
カク、必死に死亡フラグを立てまくってるな😭普通くん+65
saga999
He's not dying. Everything is going according to his plan.
まじで笑ったんだけど!でもカクは死なないって!全部計画通りじゃん?やばくね?ギャル+10
guynumbers
Idk, I already thought he was a dead man walking BEFORE he triggered the “there’s someone who can take my place” trope.
ふむ…奴が“我が代わりを担う者”という運命のフラグを掲げる前から、既に死の影は彼にまとわりついておったのだ。全てが計画通りだと言うなら、それは運命の歯車が回り始めた証に過ぎぬな。中二病+8
Jerry_MP
原文
Oh my GOD how does every fucking character have so much charisma. Kaku and Ryumon are just casually aurafarming every moment that they're on screen. And Kaku is right. I'm ashamed to say that I fell for Ohga's propaganda last episode.... Now the Grand Archivist may be a brat but I'm certain that he's as evil as his dad. It'll be interesting to see how Aoteru and Misumi'll deal with Denki's advances while Kaku and Ryumon are not home. That departing message from Kaku leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I have a feeling that shit is not going to go well for them on the frontlines...
本当にやばい、キャラ全員カリスマありすぎだろ。覚と竜門は画面に映ってるだけでオーラ出しまくってるし。覚の言う通りだわ。前回、大我のプロパガンダにまんまと引っかかった自分が恥ずかしい…… 大記録官は生意気だけど、父親と同じくらい悪辣なのは間違いないな。覚と竜門がいない間に、青照と三角が伝鬼の誘いをどう対処するか気になる。覚の置き手紙がなんか不穏で、前線でろくなことにならなそうな予感がするんだよな……普通くん+65
Pickled_Kagura
tbh I wonder if he's sending the brat off to hopefully die and take the core of the borderland guard with him. then if Ryuumon survives he has a clear cause to execute him without riling up the rest of Yamato.
確かに、彼がガキ大将を国境警備隊の中核ごと死なせようとしている可能性は考察できるな。もし竜門が生き残った場合、大和の他の連中を刺激せずに処刑する明確な理由ができるという、実に狡猾な二段構えの策略だ。制作陣の意図が透けて見える。考察くん+24
NanDemoKnaives
Yeah a part of me is also concerned about how long Kaku will be around.
確かに、拙者もカクがいつまで物語に留まるか気がかりでござる。武士+12
mekerpan
Great characters to be sure. It would be sad if some of the most interesting "senior" ones are doomed. My biggest problem with this show is that the episodes are distressingly short. Sunjectively, many episodes only feel about 5 minutes ong -- including this one.
確かにどのキャラも魅力すごいよね。特にカクとリュウモンはオーラ出しまくりだし。 ただ、面白いベテラン勢が退場しちゃうのは悲しいな… このアニメの最大の問題は話が短すぎること。今回も含めて体感5分くらいにしか感じないんだよな。普通くん+9
letsgoToshio
Even the overly "pathetic and spineless" characters like the Emperor and Chief Clerk Moriyama, while not "charismatic", are just so fun to watch and listen to. As infuriating as it may be, it was really entertaining to watch the Emperor's internal monologue as he flip flopped back and forth based on the last person to speak, fits his character perfectly.
皇帝とか森山主席とか「情けなくて腑抜け」なキャラでさえ、カリスマは無いけど見てて面白いンゴwww 最後に喋った人の意見にコロコロ変わる皇帝の内心モノローグ、ムカつくけど完全にキャラにハマってて草生えるわ2ちゃん+7
justyouraditya
Anime of the season (most probably of the year too) for me.
今期のアニメで一番好きだわw 多分今年一番になる笑wwwおじ+66
MMinjin
This could actually turn into a 10/10. We're seeing something special here.
せやな、これガチで10/10になる可能性あるわ。マジで特別なもん見せてもろてるンゴwww2ちゃん+13
Jacob-C
We're five episodes in and this show is already goated!
5話まで見たけど、もう神アニメ確定だわ!普通くん+8
RyouBestGirl
The fact that it's already top 3 on MAL proves it.
MALでトップ3入りしてる時点で間違いないわw 今年のアニメ大賞はこれで決まりだな笑wwwおじ+6
RyouBestGirl
In season*
「このシーズンやばくない!?まじで神回すぎてやばいんだけど笑」ギャル+6
FarCritical
"Judge matters by merit, judge action by its timing" Man, that is such a cool saying. Poor dude had Kaku effectively school him on why his waifu is trash.
「功績で人を判断し、行動はそのタイミングで判断する」 この言葉、めっちゃかっこいいな。 可哀想に、カクに自分の推しがゴミな理由を完全に論破されちゃったじゃん。普通くん+53
PeaceAlien
The style carries the exposition. The key moments feel so cool.
スタイルで説明シーンを乗り切ってる感じやな。肝心な場面はガチでカッコいいンゴwww2ちゃん+51
HarshTheDev
I feel like the only thing detracting from the experience is the fuckass typesetting of the subtitles. Amazon fix yo shi.
確かに。唯一気になるのは字幕のクソみたいなフォント設定だな。Amazon、なんとかしてくれ。普通くん+19
caiusto
Unfortunately Prime Video only supports 2 lines subtitles, so every time we have text on screen (which is very often in this anime) we get some awkward timing to read it.
確かに!Prime Videoが2行までしか字幕対応してないのマジでクソすぎる。このアニメは画面内テキスト多すぎて毎回タイミングおかしくなるのしんどいわ…Amazonいい加減直せ!感情くん+9
justsyr
It's so entertaining that makes the show seems to be really short. Usually long exposition episodes on other shows get boring or too long, you see this when people complain that an episode was boring because they spent the whole episode info dumping. Here even the ramblings about the place where the officer was being exiled by Aoteru, talking about crabs is an entertaining moment.
確かに。説明回なのにめっちゃ短く感じるのはすごいよね。他の作品だと情報詰め込みすぎて退屈って言われること多いし。青輝が役人を追放した場所の話とか、カニの話ですら普通に面白いんだよな。普通くん+16
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
Geez, the Grand Archivist is literally a snot nosed brat and Taira’s son? Despicable. On top of that, this little shitstain is walking them right into a trap and Ryumon’s the one who has to keep this fool alive. I don’t envy the man’s position. But I trust him and Kaku to come up with a plan to unfuck this situation the Tairas have dragged them into. I think what we saw this week might have been a passing of the baton to the next generation of leaders. Those two may end up dying in this trap, but they leave behind two capable leaders ready to rise up and take charge.
大司書官がまさか龍の鼻息も感じないガキで、平家の息子だったとはな。実に嘆かわしい。しかもこの小僧、奴らを罠に誘導してる上に、竜門がこの愚か者を生かしておかなきゃならんとは。彼の立場を羨む気にはなれない。だが、竜門と郭が平家に引きずり込まれたこの状況を何とか打開する策を練ってくれると信じている。 今回の展開は、次世代のリーダーへのバトンタッチだったのではないかという考察ができる。この二人は罠で命を落とすかもしれないが、その後には立ち上がり指揮を執る用意のある有能なリーダーを残していくという構図だ。考察くん+27
Se7en_Sinner
I knew Kaku was going to be one of the strongest characters based on who's voicing him. Yuichi Nakamura is basically typecasted at this point.
せやな、カクの声が中村悠一って時点で強キャラ確定やったわwww もうあの声優さん、完全に役柄ハマりすぎてて草 ワイも「あ、こいつ強いわ」って思ったンゴ2ちゃん+16
WillOfTheSon
Man fuck them kids... and by "them kids" I mean that Taira archivist brat.
くそガキどもめ…特に平家のあの記録係の小僧がムカつきすぎるッ!感情くん+25
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Lol the fact that one picture of Wajima was enough for Moriyama to ask them to defect lol. I like how Kaku shared what Moriyama had heard but from a more truthful perspective, that was interesting to see.  I wonder if Kaku will start to be more active in mentoring Aoteru. I feel he won't be around too long with how great he is as a strategist.  The audacity of Taira threatening Ryuumon if something happens to his son, when he chooses not to take Ryuumon's warnings seriously.
輪島の写真1枚で森山が寝返りを勧めたのは笑ったな。でも覚が森山の聞いた話をより真実に近い視点で伝えてたのは面白かった。 覚が青輝の指導にもっと積極的になるのか気になる。策士として優秀すぎて、長くは持たなさそうな気がするけど。 平が龍門の警告を真剣に受け止めずに、自分の息子に何かあったら龍門を脅すって、図々しすぎるだろ。普通くん+23
Devastator5042
Considering all the flags Kaku is giving off, I wouldn't be shocked if his alive to Aoteru is Kaku's last words to Aoteru
確かにカクのフラグ立ちまくりやんwww ワイ的には「生きろ」ってのがカクの最期の言葉になる気がしてならんわ2ちゃん+15
Fractal_Noise
原文
HOLY SHIT KAKU COOKED!!! The strategy is absolutely brilliant. It's so out of the box that it would probably fly right over Taira's head. In fact he might even think that this is favorable to him since it looks like Ryumon's own army is collapsing. Ryumon is the only one who can send more soldiers but Taira would completely block that. So with Ryumon knowing full well this is a trap that will become an all out war, how can he get more soldiers there to make sure it's not a complete massacre? Exile generals under the pretense of them defecting and send a lot of soldiers with them as "escort". Who is the perfect person to execute this plan? Aoteru since he's shown to completely abide by the law and punish those who breaks the law. It doesn't matter what your rank is, Aoteru will bring down the law on your head. Absolute cinema. It's such a genius plan.
まじで韓がやらかしたわ!!戦略が天才的すぎる。発想がぶっ飛んでて平の頭じゃ理解できないだろうな。むしろ龍門軍が自滅してるように見えるから、平は好都合だと思うかも。 兵を増やせるのは龍門だけだけど、平が完全に封鎖する。龍門はこれが全面戦争の罠だと分かってる中で、どうやって虐殺を防ぐために兵を送るか?将軍たちを寝返ったふりして追放し、多くの兵を「護衛」として同行させる。 この計画を実行する完璧な人物は?青輝だ。彼は法を絶対遵守し、違反者を罰するから。階級関係なく、青輝が法の鉄槌を下す。 まさに神回。天才的な計画すぎる。普通くん+20
2kenzhe
原文
Ok so it's 120% a trap. So the snot nosed brat is Tiara's son. Makes sense. The Emperor can't choose but I mean he has to side with Tiara if he values his life. He did send Ryuumon with the son though so maybe they can still figure a way out or win? What's the plan here? Kaku did get some advice/hints to Aoteru but I got no idea still really besides that they have a plan and what we saw all that was predicted/planned. Really hyped to see more I want the next episode already now ngl. Also quite liked how Kaku teared down Wajima's "benevolence" but damn people really about to turn over cuz of one drawing huh? Simps really to change sides cuz she's pretty lol. I mean I get it the situation in Yamato is pretty bad with the fatso controlling everything so quite tempting to change sides to a beautiful dictator but she is still a dictator. Also yeah really all revenge at the end of the day huh? i also yeah she came to power killing the previous governemnt etc so you know as much you wanna praise her keep that in mind and she's getting ready to start a war right away already. Also I hope Kaku doesn't die cuz they might be too op having two geniuses on their sides? Like Aoteru already right but then having Kaku as well. I hope he doesn't die or Ryuumon we need both cuz there's so much disadvantages already with the Tiara's controlling everything.
うーん、120%罠だな。あの鼻水垂らしたガキはティアラの息子ってわけか。納得だ。 皇帝は選択肢がないけど、命を大事にするならティアラにつくしかないよな。でも息子にリュウモンを同行させたってことは、まだ打開策か勝利の道を模索してる可能性がある。計画は何なんだ?カクはアオテルに何かヒントや助言を与えたようだが、彼らに計画があって、今見た展開がすべて予測・計画済みだったってこと以外は、まだ全然読めない。 続きがめちゃくちゃ気になる。正直もう次回が待てない。 あと、カクがワジマの「仁徳」を論破したシーンは良かった。でもまさか一枚の絵で人が寝返るとはな…。美人だからって理由で寝返るシンプルな連中かよ(笑)。ユートピアじゃないヤマトの状況を考えれば、美しい独裁者に鞍替えしたくなる気持ちも分からんでもないが、それでも彼女は独裁者だ。そもそも彼女は前任政府を倒して権力についたわけで、結局は復讐劇なんだよな。それを称賛したい気持ちは分かるが、その点は忘れるな。しかも彼女はすぐに戦争を始めようとしている。 カクが死なないでほしい。アオテルに加えてカクも味方につけるのはチートすぎるか?二人の天才が揃うのは強力すぎる。リュウモンも含めて両方必要だ。ティアラ側がすべてを掌握している今、考察くん+15
Chrono-Helix
原文
The BGM immediately after the OP was really good. And the one before the OP was so unfittingly upbeat with all the killing going on. I’m wondering if Taira Senior actually believes Muuton is defecting. He’s probably considered the possibility of it being a ruse, and could have Ryumon sent alone to take the bait and suffer the consequences. Why endanger his own son as well? Maybe he doesn’t really care for this kid… It seems that Ryumon and Kaku are not expecting to return from their expedition, if they’re briefing the remaining officers. But they didn’t nominate someone to be in charge during their absence, so what could they be planning? Ryumon asking Aoteru to cite the other officer’s crime and punishment shows you how high he’s risen. And he’s got Kaku’s endorsement too. I hope Ryumon and Kaku get to show off their capabilities in battle. We’ve only seen it demonstrated once. Maybe Seii will capture them instead of kill them, and they’ll be released or get a chance to escape later. That sort of thing happened all the time in Romance of the Three Kingdoms stories, right? I feel like I should have a map of Japan open while watching the show. It was a clever decision to have the story take place in the future. Characters are able to reference history, and it’s technically not anachronistic.
OPの直後のBGMめっちゃ良かったな。その前のOP前のBGMは、あの殺戮シーンにしては明るすぎて合ってなかったけど。 平太宰はムートンの寝返りを本当に信じてるのかな。おそらく偽装の可能性も考えてて、龍門を一人で行かせて罠にかからせて代償を払わせようとしてるんじゃないか。自分の息子も危険にさらす理由は?もしかしてこの子にはあまり関心がないのか… 龍門とカクが残りの将校に説明してる時点で、遠征から戻るつもりはなさそうだな。でも自分たちの不在中の指揮官を指名してないから、何を企んでるんだろう。 龍門が青輝に他の将校の罪と罰を挙げさせたのは、どれだけ出世したか分かるな。カクの推薦もあるし。 龍門とカクが戦闘で実力を見せてくれるといいな。今まで一度しか見せてないし。セイイが殺さずに捕らえて、後に解放されるか逃げるチャンスが来るかもしれない。三国志の物語ではよくある展開だろ? この番組を見ながら日本の地図を開いておくべきだな。 物語を未来に設定したのは賢い判断だった。キャラが歴史に言及できるし、技術的には時代錯誤じゃないから。普通くん+13
NoHead1715
原文
Strategies straight from The Three Kingdoms! Chief Clerk Moriyama's exile is no doubt also a ruse, but what would the 200 soldiers be used for is the big question. Are they going to ambush the ambushers? Or are they trying to pincer the Seii "defectors" at the meeting point? Another question I have in mind is, what is Taira trying to achieve by sending his son? Is he going to use Seii as a blade to get rid of Ryumon? Aoeteru's responsibility at the fort looks like Kaku preparing him for ultimately defecting from Yamato. Other than joining Seii, it looks like they may even consider starting their own kingdom. Could Ryumon and Kaku even be thinking of using the Taira kid as hostage or a means to have Seii join them?
『三國志』さながらの策略だな。森山書記官の左遷も当然偽装工作と見るべきだが、問題は200人の兵を何に使うかだ。伏兵を逆に包囲するのか、それとも合流地点で征夷の「離反者」を挟撃するのか。 もう一つ気になるのは、平がなぜ息子を送り込んだのか。征夷を刃として竜門を排除しようとしているのか? 青照寺の砦での役割を見ると、覚が彼を最終的に大和から離反させる準備をしていると考察できる。征夷に加わる以外にも、彼らは独自の王国を興す可能性すら考えているのではないか。竜門と覚は平の子を人質として、あるいは征夷を自陣に引き込む手段として利用しようとしているのかもしれない。考察くん+13
AN1MAN1AC
Something about this show really reminds me of a Wes Anderson film. I don’t know if it’s the humour and creativity going into it or what, but it just makes me feel like I’m watching something like Fantastic Mister Fox again. I’ve been loving this show. This, Botan Kamiina and With Hat Atelier have to be my top 3 this season
このアニメ、なんかウェス・アンダーソンの映画思い出すんだよね。ユーモアとかクリエイティブな感じが『ファンタスティックMr.Fox』観てる気分になる。今期はこれと『Botan Kamiina』『ウィッチハットアトリエ』が俺のトップ3だわ。めっちゃハマってる。普通くん+13
KeyLimeGuy69
I want to say this show is the best of the season, but I'll have to wait to see how the season ends first. Great show though. This and Release That Witch (I know, tecnically Dongua) have been nice surprises for me.
今期のベストって言いたいけど、最後まで見んと分からんわな。でもガチで面白いわ。これとRelease That Witch(ドンファだけどな)はワイ的にいいサプライズやったわ。2ちゃん+12
Nachtwandler_FS
I hope Ryumon nd Kaku plan is not to just die and leave the things to Aoteru. I want to bsee them get out from this situation as winners.
やばくね!?龍門と何の計画、ただ死んで青照に全部任せるだけじゃないよね?まじでこの状況から勝ち組として抜け出してほしいんだけど!ギャル+11
Broad-West933
It's honestly really funny how hard the show doubles down on making the bad guys soyjaks in every scene. With how hard the show is repping cigarettes they probably got some advice on how to visually frame good and bad in the show as well. Subtlety is for cowards should be the shows mantra. Good shit
草ァ!このアニメ、悪役を毎シーンまるでソイジャック(滑稽なステレオタイプ)みたいに描きまくってて笑えるわwww タバコ推しの演出もガチでヤバいけど、善悪の見せ方にも誰かアドバイスしたんやろなw 「繊細さはクソ食らえ」がこのアニメのモットーって感じやな。でもそれが良いンゴwww2ちゃん+10
andvirsenpai
anime of the season easily on the sheer power it has to make me watch way more and have me check for release times lmao
やばくね!?今期のアニメでぶっちぎりじゃん!まじで時間確認しちゃうくらい見たくなるんだよね笑ギャル+9
tripleaamin
原文
The beginning of the episode again showcased that Taira just has too much influence. As such, there is the issue of both him and Ouga. Ouga's charisma is definitely a notable part of her rise as a dictator. As someone like Moriyama's proclamation to ally with her is a good showcase of it. The key for Ryuumon and his men is to find their own path, but it does appear finding that opening will be tough. The most interesting character in this episode is Kaku. He definitely has something up his sleeve that I am curious about.
今回のエピソード冒頭でも、平が持つ影響力の大きさが改めて描かれていたな。その点で、平と鳳雅の関係性は興味深い。鳳雅のカリスマ性は、彼女が独裁者として台頭する上で間違いなく重要な要素だ。森山のような人物が彼女との同盟を宣言する場面は、そのカリスマ性を如実に示していると言える。竜門たちにとっての鍵は、自分たちの道を見つけることだが、その突破口を見つけるのは困難を極めそうだ。 今回最も興味を引かれたキャラクターは、何と言ってもカクだ。彼が何かを企んでいるのは明らかで、その正体が非常に気になる。考察くん+10
danmarce
原文
This one relies in the cool and absurd factor a lot, from character actions to dialogs. And that is what I love about it, and the reason for the disclaimer on each episode. Because cool and absurd is a way to present real issues (corruption, nepotism, weak/incompetent leadership, even a bit of jingoism), so the viewer can think "somehow this relates to real life". Is good writing, perhaps even GREAT writing, and, you can apply its ideas to almost every modern country.
このアニメ、キャラの行動からセリフまでクールでアホみたいな要素がガチで効いてるンゴwww そこがワイの好きなとこやし、毎回注意書きが出る理由も納得やわ。 だってクールでアホっぽい表現で現実の問題(汚職、縁故主義、無能なリーダーシップ、ちょっとした愛国主義)を描いてて、「なんか現実にも通じるな」って思わせるからな。 脚本めっちゃ上手い、いやむしろ神やろ。 で、そのアイデアはほぼどの現代国家にも当てはめられるってのが草。2ちゃん+9
thisisdropd
原文
The shit apple doesn't fall very far from the shit tree. Looks like decency eludes the Taira clan. It's terrifying enough that Ryuumon and Kaku predicted Aoteru's judgement and used it to send Moriyama to exile. It's even more terrifying that they predicted Moriyama would consider defecting. Those were the actions of two independent sides, and they used them as part of their strategy. Wonder what Ryuumon and Kaku had in mind. They had clearly anticipated the possibility of being sent to an ambush that they could not back out of. I hope their plan included them returning alive, because there's the possibility of them going on a suicide mission and a major part of their plan was leaving the troops in Aoteru's & Yoshitsune's hands.
血は争えないってやつだな。平家にはどうやら良識ってものがないらしい。 龍門と覚が青輝の判断を予測して森山を追放に追い込んだのも怖いけど、それ以上に森山が寝返る可能性まで見越してたってのがヤバい。あれは独立した二つの勢力の動きで、それを戦略の一部として利用したってことだし。 龍門と覚は何を考えてたんだろう。明らかに引き返せない待ち伏せに送られる可能性を想定してた。彼らが生きて帰る計画もあったことを願うよ。だって自爆任務に行く可能性もあるし、計画の大部分は部隊を青輝と義経に託すことだったわけだから。普通くん+7
actuallyrndthoughts
Kaku aura farming the episode, more like.
カクがこの回で完全にオーラ稼ぎしてたじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル+8
Jacob-C
原文
I really like Kaku as a character. He basically flipped our entire perception about Ouga on it's head. We were possibly brainwashed like Moriyama. She **might** not be as good-natured as we thought (but, to be fair, something in me told me that her tears were performative last episode). It sucks that Kaku and Ryumon set so many deathflags for themselves. It's like they are knowingly going on a suicide mission and leaving everything in Aoteru's hands. This show is steadily becoming my favorite of the entire season. It's perfect in so many ways!
確かに迦楼羅は良いキャラだよね。彼のおかげで桜花のイメージが完全に覆された。俺たちも守山みたいに洗脳されてたのかも。彼女の涙は前回から演技っぽい気はしてたけどね。迦楼羅と竜門が死亡フラグ立てまくってるのが辛い。自覚して自爆任務に行って、全てを青輝に託してる感じだよな。 この作品、今期で一番好きになりつつある。いろんな意味で完璧すぎる!普通くん+6
szalhi
*Our future emperor.*
やばっ!未来の皇帝様じゃん!✨ギャル+5
Shimmering-Sky
- Oh joy, what’s he trying to do here… - Ugh, is he really trying to make the emperor suspect Ryumon? - Hoh… - That wouldn’t surprise me. - I see Fatty’s son is just as big of an obstacle as he is. - Unfortunately, it seems so. - Harsh words… - Yeah, that’s a fair response. - So that’s what “brainwashed” him. - Welp. Fair enough.
【なんJ翻訳】 - おいおいコイツ何しようとしてんだ… - うわ、まさか皇帝に龍門を疑わせようとしてるんか? - ほーん… - まあ予想通りやな - デブの息子も親と同じく邪魔者ってか - 残念ながらそうみたいやな - 厳しい言い分や… - せやな、それ相応の返しや - なるほど、それで「洗脳」されたわけか - まあ納得や2ちゃん+6
retardlokal
How did Moriyama pass the Tenryumon? Through sheer strength?
森山はどうやって天竜門を通り抜けたんだ?純粋な力で?普通くん+6
PogChampHS
The challenge rotates every time, maybe he makes a fire fried rice (One of the examples that Ateru listed)
それな!毎回チャレンジ内容変わるっぽいし、多分あてるが言ってた火炎チャーハンとか作ったんじゃね?笑ギャル+8
Hot-Log6283
I was under the impression that the test is how they recruit talented individual, not that everyone in the Borderland General Corps took the test, some might have simply raise through the rank otherwise they wouldn't have enough people given the comment in episode 2 that they didn't hire anyone this month or last month.
確かに、試験は優秀な人材を見つけるためのもので、全員が受けるわけじゃないって印象だよね。第2話で「今月も先月も採用ゼロ」って言ってたし、そうじゃなきゃ人手が足りなくなるもんな。普通くん+6
AZLarlar
its such a trap oh boy
これトラップすぎるッ!ああもうやばい!感情くん+7
MisoRamenSoup
Kaku is raising some flags. Thats not a good thing
カクがフラグ立てまくっとるやんwww これはアカンやつや2ちゃん+6
SLE-6
Kaku's words on war are especially poignant for the recent present day too, in particular a certain someone
確かに!カクの戦争に関する言葉、今の現状にもめっちゃ刺さるよね…特にアレな人を考えるとしんどすぎるッ感情くん+7
SinibusUSG
It's kinda wild that this episode was more or less just...3 long conversations. And it was great. Incredible style meets really interesting writing.
草ァ!この回ほぼ会話3本だけで成立してたのやばすぎやろwww それでいて面白いんだからガチですごいわ スタイルも書き方もどっちもやばいやん2ちゃん+5