日本三國

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桜虎は弥々吉の策によって威光回復を果たし、再び立ち上がった。追い込まれる大和軍だったが、龍門と軍師・賀来はこの危機的状況を打開するある策を、すでにひとりの若者に託していた。
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a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
As soon as Aoteru entered the hall, the episode was over before I could even blink. That's how immersive each and every episode truly is. Aoteru's talk-no-jutsu is on a-whole-nother level. The man opens his mouth and even tho one has long decided that the conversation is over, they just can't help but listen anyway. Tsune is living his best life FR. Re-scheduling them escorts--in this economy--sure is wild LMAO. I just love how he views Aoteru as someone who's clearly beneath him and yet, much like everyone, he just can't help but buy into what the silver tongued merchant is selling, skeptical as he may be.
青輝が入ってきたと思ったらもうエピソード終わってたわ。毎回没入感すごすぎる。青輝の話術は次元が違うよな。もう話は終わったと思ってる相手でも、奴が口開けたらつい聞いちゃうんだよな。常はほんと人生満喫してて草。あの護衛のスケジュール変更、このご時世にやるのヤバすぎるだろLMAO。常は青輝のこと明らかに格下だと思ってるのに、他の連中と同じで疑いながらも結局その口上手い商人の話を信じちゃうのがたまらん。普通くん
Countless-Alts15
Every time Tsune refers to Aoteru as backwoods split haired is so funny, like he just can't get over his haircut. Aoteru talk no jutsu is the best, especially when he lays down the quotes
常が青輝のこと「田舎者の分け目野郎」って呼ぶたびに笑いが止まらんww あの髪型マジで気になって仕方ないんだな!青輝の口先術(トークノジュツ)が最高すぎるッ!特に名言バシッと決めるシーンはエモすぎて優勝!!感情くん
Oden_sama__
Another 5 minute episode 😭
また5分エピソードかよ😭普通くん
Pokonic
This is one of those series where I wouldn't actually mind a compilation movie, if anything it'd be a lost opportunity just from the nature of the plot, if they add some stuff that has been removed like various monologues that'd be a nice bonus
まあ総集編映画が出ても悪くないな。あのプロットの性質上、削られた独白とか追加してくれれば、普通に良いボーナスになるだろう。ドライおじ
apgp123
hell yea cook that girl aoteru
やばっ!青輝ちゃんがその女をブッたおすのまじアツすぎんだけど!🔥ギャル
MeesNLA
even the Minister of Domestic Affair though it was funny.
内務卿まで笑っててワロタwwww このシーン優勝すぎるッ!感情くん
BosuW
Probably the only reason he let it slide
確かに、あいつがそれを見逃したのはその理由だけだろうな普通くん
Cook-Miserable
I thought Taira was gonna have her head for going off like that. Whole episode had me on edge.
平家にやられると思ってたわ。今回の話マジでハラハラしっぱなしやったンゴwww2ちゃん
FarCritical
Even if Aoteru was to be beheaded, those swords would probably break against whatever his nerves are made out of. Dismantling the guard and frog-chan were beautiful but sitting through all that Ryumon slander would've been the end of me. Also pretty cool of him to agree that nobody would make for a better general than Taira.
たとえ青輝が斬首されても、あいつの神経は鋼鉄並みで刀が折れるだろうな。衛兵とカエルちゃんを瞬殺したのは美しかったけど、あの龍門批判をじっとして聞いてたら俺なら発狂してたわ。それに「平殿器以上の将軍はいない」って認めたのもかっこよかった。普通くん
HarshTheDev
Also pretty cool of him to agree that nobody would make for a better general than Taira. I dont think that is what he was implying. More like: nobody would be suitable for a general at all because a general is not what they need right now.
うむ、彼が「平殿器に勝る将軍など誰もおらぬ」と認めたのは、むしろ深遠なる真理の一片を垣間見せたに過ぎぬ。彼の真意は「そもそも将軍などというものは、今この時には不要な存在である」という、運命的な啓示だったのだ。凡人の耳には届かぬ、その言葉の奥底に潜む真実よ。中二病
FarCritical
I was making a joke about him agreeing with the sentence, just with a different word emphasized i.e "nobody is more suitable than Taira " vs. " nobody is more suitable than Taira"
わかるわかる!「誰よりも平が適任」vs「誰よりも平が適任」って強調の違いだけで笑ったw このニュアンスのズレが面白すぎるッ!感情くん
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
原文
Seii's new strategy is reminiscent of what went down when Napoleon's Army invaded Russia. Nature chooses no one and victory in this case will go to the ones best prepared for it. Tsune-chan-san's segment is so funny because he's just acting like a massive tsundere in his head. He may try to deny it, but he believes so much on Aoteru. I mean, this man was supposed to have a date night but here he is, unconsciously making provisions for his travel to Fukui on Aoteru's orders. Speaking of women, the lipstick mark on one of his cups in the previous episodes were a great but easy to miss detail and it looks like he's really getting around😂. This marks Taira and Aoteru's first meeting since Saki's death and I have to commend the latter's self-restraint in that moment. And of course Taira would also choose to behead someone at the same time while bringing Saki to the conversation to mess with Aoteru's head. This is exactly what makes him scary, because he's intelligent enough to know what would drive a person to the edge. Worse still, that it's coupled with his unchecked power that no one could do anything about it. I do wonder what the plan is with Aoteru suggesting the withdrawal and sending Asama to Fukui. There's also the plan with the disgraced officer from the Borderland Army. They did point out that the man was accompanied by more men than usual.
清盛の新たな戦略は、ナポレオンのロシア遠征を彷彿とさせるな。自然は誰の味方もせず、勝利はそれに最も備えた者に訪れるという考察ができる。常ちゃんのパートはツンデレ全開で面白い。本人は否定するだろうが、青輝への信頼が透けて見える。デートの予定があったのに、無意識に福井行きの準備をしてるんだからな。そういえば、前回のカップの口紅跡は見逃しやすいが秀逸な伏線で、結構遊んでるようだな😂。これは咲の死後、平殿と青輝が初めて対面した場面だが、後者の自制心は評価したい。当然のように咲の話を持ち出しながら同時に処刑を行う平殿の心理操作は、まさに彼の恐ろしさの本質だ。人の限界を理解する知性と、誰も止められない権力の組み合わせが厄介すぎる。青輝が撤退を提案し浅馬を福井に送る計画、そして辺境軍の失脚将校の件。あの将校が普段より多くの兵を連れていた点も伏線だろう。考察くん
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
I do wonder what the plan is with Aoteru suggesting the withdrawal and sending Asama to Fukui. There's also the plan with the disgraced officer from the Borderland Army. They did point out that the man was accompanied by more men than usual. I'm not well versed with strategies (not even chess), but giving a retreat order may serve as no more than a decoy in the sense that you're also trying to bait your enemy in--to follow/push through their charge, making them think that they've gotten the upper hand, which could also open them up to getting pincered as Yamato's forces converge. This marks Taira and Aoteru's first meeting since Saki's death and I have to commend the latter's self-restraint in that moment. And of course Taira would also choose to behead someone at the same time while bringing Saki to the conversation to mess with Aoteru's head. Man, I'm a sucker for cerebral characters who knows what they want and will stop at nothing to achieve them. Denki is one such character that while truly despicable, (unforgivable for Saki's untimely death) I just can't help but view as a necessary evil. And considering he's basically THE one person Aoteru's trying to convince here, him hearing out Aoteru (as opposed to beheading him where he stood for speaking out of turn) proves to show that he's not necessarily as close minded as one would think.
青輝が撤退を提案して浅間を福井に送る作戦、何が狙いなんだろうな。辺境軍の不名誉な将校の件もあるし、あいつ普段より多く護衛連れてたって描写あったしな。戦略に詳しいわけじゃないけど(チェスもできない)、撤退命令って敵をおびき寄せる囮の意味もあるんじゃないか?追撃させて優勢だと思わせて、大和軍が挟撃できるようにするみたいな。さて、これは平殿器と青輝がサキの死後初めて会う場面だけど、後者の自制心は称賛したい。平殿器はわざわざサキの話を持ち出しながら、同じタイミングで誰かを斬首させることで青輝をかき乱そうとしてるんだよな。自分の目的を理解してて手段を選ばない頭脳派キャラが好きなんだよな、俺。平殿器は本当に嫌なやつだけど(サキの死は許せない)、必要な悪として見ざるを得ない。そして青輝が説得しようとしてる相手がまさに平殿器で、不敬な発言でその場で斬首されずに話を聞いてもらえたってことは、思ってたより頭が固いわけじゃないって証明になってるな。普通くん
BosuW
原文
I'm not well versed with strategies (not even chess), but giving a retreat order may serve as no more than a decoy in the sense that you're also trying to bait your enemy in--to follow/push through their charge, making them think that they've gotten the upper hand, which could also open them up to getting pincered as Yamato's forces converge. Ironically this would be using the planned Seii strategy against them first. Seii army doesn't seem as disciplined as Yamato's, so even if the war council sees through it they may be unable to stop the fall. And considering he's basically THE one person Aoteru's trying to convince here, him hearing out Aoteru (as opposed to beheading him where he stood for speaking out of turn) proves to show that he's not necessarily as close minded as one would think. Eh, I don't think he's hearing him out from personal principle. As powerful as Denki is, there must be a reason he still bothers with all the song and dance and ceremony instead of just calling the shots as he sees fit. His power may not be completely consolidated yet. He probably calculates that he can't simply behead Aoteru without incurring unwanted consequences. Even so, Aoteru is definitely on thin ice, and he's gonna have to use his Speech 100 skills to get what he wants out of this meeting without losing his head, because 100% Denki slimes him as soon as he sees the chance. If he sees him as a threat that is. If he on the other hand, underestimates Aoteru, he may calculate that he can let him talk if killing him would be more trouble than it's worth, as long as Aoteru's offenses don't cross a certain line. In my opinion the truth lies somewhere in between, since how much Denki wants to have Aoteru killed, and thus the resources he is willing to commit and risks he is willing to assume to do it, depends on how much a threat he thinks he is. Aoteru isn't dead yet simply because he doesn't yet think it's worth the trouble, simple as. It's certainly not because Denki is interested in hearing out a different idea. I don't believe he has any greater ideals or ambitions. Power is the object of power.
撤退命令は陽動として機能し得る。敵を誘い込んで包囲網を形成する、まさに征夷将軍の戦略を逆手に取る形だ。征夷軍は大和軍ほどの規律がないから、軍議で見抜かれても統制が効かず崩れる可能性が高い。 青輝が意見を述べても即座に斬首されなかった点は興味深い。平殿器は決して頭が固いわけではないが、彼が耳を傾けたのは個人的な信念からではない。あれだけの権力者でありながら、形式的な儀礼を重んじるのは、まだ権力基盤が完全に固まっていない証拠だ。不必要な軋轢を避ける計算が働いていると考察できる。 青輝は間違いなく綱渡りの状態だ。平殿器は脅威と判断した瞬間、躊躇なく排除する。逆に小物扱いする限りは、殺す手間を惜しんで話を聞く。この微妙な均衡の上で、青輝はSpeech 100の弁術で生き残らねばならない。 平殿器に崇高な理想や大志はない。権力こそが権力の目的だ。青輝が今生きているのは、単に殺す価値がないと判断されたからに過ぎない。考察くん
Devoidoxatom
I think its the same reason he let him live too when they first met. He's genuinely impressed at Aoteru, and is probably thinking of ways he can use him.
ワイもそう思うンゴ。初めて会った時も見逃した理由と一緒やろ。青輝にガチで感心してて、どう使うか考えてるんやろうな。2ちゃん
matdragon
Taira the absolute menace. Constantly bringing up that he killed saki. Hey misumi remember when i beheaded your wife? Oh hey that guy we just beheaded? did it for the same reason we killed your wife What an insane villain, but man i love it, the show doesn't hold back and it's just so god damned entertaining
平殿器マジでヤバい奴だな。サキを殺した話を何度も持ち出してくるし。「おい青輝、お前の妻を斬首したの覚えてるか?」とか「さっき斬首したあいつ、お前の妻を殺したのと同じ理由なんだよ」って。狂ったヴィランだけど、めっちゃ好き。この作品は容赦なくて、めちゃくちゃ面白い。普通くん
peripheralmaverick
原文
In Chronicles of Yoshitsune, a semi-mythological text on Minamoto no Yoshitsune, there is an excerpt that virtually confirms that characterization: ❝ Had Yoshitsune been alone the matter would have been quite different, but being of a warmhearted nature he had been on intimate terms with some twenty-four ladies during his sojourn in the capital, and of these he had brought along a number of elegant beauties who were his special favorites, including the daughters of the Taira Great Counselor, the Koga Minister of State, the Karahashi Great Counselor, and the Torikai Middle Counselor. (p. 157) ❞
義経記(源義経の半伝説的テキスト)にこんな一節あって、実質これで性格付け確定してるやろ: ❝ 義経一人なら話は別やったんやろうけど、温厚な性格やったから在京中に24人くらいの女性と親しくなってて、その中から平大納言の娘、高賀大臣の娘、唐橋大納言の娘、鳥飼中納言の娘ら、お気に入りの上品な美女を連れてきてたんやて(p.157)❞ 草生えるわwww 義経ガチで女好きやんけ2ちゃん
Creepy_Trip_4382
I can't wait for Tsune-chan to rizz Taira's granddaughter
常ちゃんが平の孫娘にリズるの楽しみすぎるわ普通くん
bushwarblerssong
In the earliest accounts like The Tale of the Heike, he was described as bucktoothed and short by his contemporaries, but these fools were clearly jealous of his way with women and the Chronicles are definitely the most accurate.
古の書『平家物語』に記されし彼の姿は、出っ歯で小柄なりと断じられておる。されど、その評価を下した愚か者どもは、彼が幾多の乙女を魅了せし力を妬みしに過ぎぬ。『日本三國』こそが、最も真実を映す鏡であると我は断言する。中二病
Jacob-C
原文
Seii's new strategy is reminiscent of what went down when Napoleon's Army invaded Russia Before Napoleon, the Russians also used a scorched-earth retreat against King Charles XII of Sweden during the Great Northern War (1708–1709). After Napoleon, they used it in both world wars against the Germans, which might be the most famous examples. Basically, the story has ended the same way for any powerful opponent who has advanced on Russia. I don't see it working as well in this situation, however. Russia had the numerical advantage in all of the formerly mentioned wars. After initial victories, it was of utmost importance for all of them to make Russia surrender as fast as possible so that they could not recover. Here, Yamato seemingly has the advantage in both weaponry and numbers. Yamato can live with another stalemate while waiting for the weather to get better.
桜虎の新戦略ってナポレオンのロシア遠征を思い出すな。ナポレオン以前だと大北方戦争でカール12世に対してもロシアは焦土作戦を使ってたし、その後も両大戦でドイツに対して使ってた。結局、ロシアに攻め込んだ強敵はみんな同じ結末を迎えてるんだよな。ただ、今回の状況ではそこまで効果的じゃないと思う。ロシアはどの戦争でも数的優位があったし、初期勝利の後はロシアを降伏させるのが最優先だった。でも大和は兵器でも兵力でも優位で、天候が回復するまで膠着状態でも問題ないからね。普通くん
Chrono-Helix
Aoteru going “washi, no, watashi” during the conversation with the guard is an interesting detail. I can’t remember how he addresses himself when he speaks with Tsune. The woman in the meeting reminded me of a Chainsaw Man character, somehow. This is where Aoteru nominates Tsune to lead the reinfo… wait what?
青輝が衛兵と話すとき「ワシ、いや私」って言い直すの、細かいけどいいアクセントやな。ツネと話すときの自称は覚えてないわ。会議に出てた女、なんかチェンソーマンのキャラ思い出したンゴwww で、青輝がツネを援軍指揮官に推薦するとこ……ちょっと待て何言うてんねんこれ!?2ちゃん
HarshTheDev
This is where Aoteru nominates Tsune to lead the reinfo… wait what? Literally my thought process one-to-one.
青輝が常を援軍の指揮官に指名するシーン…え、ちょっと待って? 俺の思考と完全に一致してたわ。普通くん
slewch2
i think its cause how her hair looks
それって髪型のせいだと思うわ!めっちゃ気になる~感情くん
171194Joy6
This is where Aoteru nominates Tsune to lead the reinfo… wait what? Wow we all expected that huh...😅
ここで青輝が常を援軍の指揮官に指名するんか…って待てや!まさかの展開やんwww 誰も予想できへんかったわ😅2ちゃん
Chrono-Helix
He’d already told Tsune to pack his luggage and set off, I can’t imagine for what purpose now
もう常には荷物まとめて出発しろって言ってたんだよな…まさかあのための準備だったのか普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Seeing Kaku in such a bad condition is so sad, but even sadder to see how concerned Ryuumon was. I'm glad Kata will be able to do something about it, but I'm sure Kaku will still push himself more than he should to help Ryuumon. It was nice to see this side of Ryuumon too, that little moment where he clears a bit of Kaku's hair from his face was sweet.  I did find it funny how Kata was patting the area on Ryuumon's back where the arrow Wajima shot hit lol.  It's exciting to see Aoteru handle these fools, I like how he turns what they say against him and with such firmness. It was amusing to see him laugh with the council, and then they look at him confused.  Yoshitsune should just be more honest with himself lol. He's passing on his favorite girls to do what Aoteru asked, he believes he'll make it happen, he's not choosing to.
鶴があんな状態なのは悲しいが、それ以上に龍門の心配ぶりが胸に刺さる。加多が何とかできるのは救いだけど、鶴はきっと龍門のために限界以上に無理するだろうな。龍門が鶴の髪をそっと払う仕草、あれは彼の別の一面が見えて良かった。加多が龍門の背中、桜虎に射られた矢の跡をポンポン叩いてるところは笑えたw 青輝が連中を手玉に取る展開は痛快だな。相手の言葉を逆手に取って、しかもあの毅然とした態度。議会で笑い飛ばして、一同が困惑する構図は面白い。義経はもう少し自分に正直になれよw 自分の推しメンを青輝の頼みで譲ってる時点で、もう彼が成し遂げるって信じてるじゃん。選んでるんじゃなくて、そうなる運命を感じてるんだな。考察くん
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
I'm glad Kata will be able to do something about it, but I'm sure Kaku will still push himself more than he should to help Ryuumon. I was under the impression that Kata, the doctor, lied and gave Ryumon the answer he wanted to hear to help ease his mind so as he'd focus on his own recovery. Ryumon's short soliloquy about waiting and seeing what Aoteru does with the ball now on his court was basically him telling the viewers that they've done their part (for the time being at least). I mean, I don't really expect to see them in the next episode at all as the focus shifts to Aoteru's exploits.
カタが何とかしてくれるのは嬉しいけど、カクはやっぱり龍門を助けるために無理しそうだな。医者のカタは、龍門が自分の回復に集中できるように、気休めの嘘をついたんじゃないかって思ってたよ。龍門が「青輝がどう動くか見守る」って短く独白したのは、視聴者に「自分たちの役目は(とりあえず)終わった」って伝えてるようなものだね。次回は青輝の活躍に焦点が移るから、あの二人は出てこないんじゃないかな。普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
I also considered that, but I think whether there is something Kata can do or not, Kaku is likely not going to be living for too long.
せやな。ワイもそう思ったけど、鶴が生き長らえるかどうかは別問題やろ。仮に何かできたとしても、あのキャラ長く持たんやろな…。2ちゃん
Snivy_Ian
原文
When I first started this show I was really captivated by Aoteru's conversations with the military officers and thought the whole show would be like that... needless to say I was a bit disappointed seeing him take a back seat throughout most of the season and while still good, this episode reminded me of what really captured my attention in the first episode and can only hope it continues within this direction
最初は青輝と軍人たちの会話がすごく面白くて、全編こんな感じかと思ってたんだよね…シーズン通して彼が後ろに下がる展開が多くてちょっと残念だったけど、今回のエピソードは第1話で惹かれた要素を思い出させてくれた。このままの方向性で続いてほしいな。普通くん
Ok-Cod5254
原文
It does make sense though as he is only a smaller player in a larger war conflict and not yet at the top of the food chain to be at the center of everything. Even Taira as the main antagonist took a back seat for the middle parts as well, to flesh out the opposing side with Wajima rather than leave them as one dimensional characters for them to fight against, but instead given more nuance. I'm glad they actually showed the other veteran characters at the top instead of quickly killing them off/sidelining them just to force Aoteru into his role much faster. Those veterans having some time as their own characters, not just plot devices to prop up the MC. I value the direction it went with that more in the long run than the instant gratification of Aoteru being faster at the center. It was about setting the larger stage for him than forcing him there without much of stage even yet set.
確かにその考察は筋が通っている。青輝はまだ大規模な戦争の中での小プレイヤーに過ぎず、物語の中心に立つようなトップ層ではないという点が重要だ。平殿器でさえ主要な敵役でありながら中盤では一旦引っ込んで、輪島側の掘り下げに尺を使っている。あれは敵を単なる一面的な戦闘要員にせず、より深みのある存在として描くための意図的な構成だと思われる。 また、ベテランキャラたちを早々に退場させず、きちんと彼ら自身のキャラクターとして時間を与えた点も評価したい。単に主人公を引き立てるためのプロット装置ではなく、一人の人物として存在感を示していた。長期的に見れば、青輝を無理に物語の中心に据える即効性のある展開より、こうした舞台装置を丁寧に整える方向性のほうが作品としての価値は高いと考える。考察くん
Googleplexian_Moron
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Hopefully, this gets multiple seasons because this will make his taking the backseat so much more worth it in the future once he rises to being a strategist. It's been a while since a show made me trust its slow-burn storytelling, and it did by making everyone very fleshed-out characters. I am happy Sei isn't a faceless one-note villainous army but rather, another side to all the conflict who have their own ambitions and dreams, which will make their defeat all the more bittersweet in a way.
複数シーズンやってほしいな。青輝が後方に下がるのも、将来軍師に成長するための布石だと思うし。久々にじっくり焦らす展開を信頼できるアニメに出会えたよ。キャラがみんなしっかり描かれてるからね。聖夷軍がただの悪役集団じゃなくて、それぞれに野望や夢があるのがいい。だからこそ彼らが敗れる時、ちょっと切なくなるんだろうな。普通くん
ReckDude101
I 100% agree. This episode reminded me why I've stuck with this show. It's been enjoyable, but seeing Aoteru get sidelined for a good chunk of the season has been disappointing. Seeing him in the spotlight again feels good lol
同意。このエピソードはまさに本作の真骨頂だと思う。シーズンを通して青輝が長らく脇に追いやられてたのは確かに消化不良だった。だからこそ、彼が再びスポットライトを浴びる展開は、制作陣が意図的に仕組んだ「苦肉計」的な構成だったのでは? 視聴者のフラストレーションを溜めた上でのカタルシス設計、見事だわ。考察くん
Chrono-Helix
Yeah, if the season is only going the usual 12 or 13 episodes, it’s kind of weird that he’s the main character and he’s been declared to be a great hero in the future, but the entire middle 50% of the show has mostly been about a bunch of middle-aged men being awesome. It’ll probably feel better once we have the hindsight after the show finishes its 3rd or 4th season (please)
確かに、今期が普通の12〜13話構成なら、主人公が未来の英雄と謳われてるのに中盤50%は中年男性たちの活躍ばかりって構成はちょっと変だよね。でも3〜4シーズン続けば(お願いします)、後から見たら納得できる気がする。普通くん
Scopper_gabon
My thoughts exactly.
まじでそれ!同意しかないわ笑ギャル
PersonalContest1423
I swear time flies when watching this episode even when it feels like nothing has really happened
マジでこの回見てるとき時間経つの早すぎたわ。特に何も起きてない気がするのにな普通くん
Worldly-Cherry9631
I'm eagerly awaiting the end of this show so Ivan binge it in one go, these episodes feel waaaay to short as is.
わかる!毎週待つのがしんどすぎるッ!エピソード短すぎてすぐ終わっちゃうから、終わったら一気見するつもり。待ちきれない…!感情くん
bushwarblerssong
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The creator Ikka Matsuki has been suffering from a high fever for the last 2 weeks due to topical steroid withdrawal (red burning skin syndrome) and has been tweeting from his bed while wrapped in bandages. FYI, you can get TSW without prolonged use. A family member of mine developed it after just two or three days of use from a prescription cream for eczema. When Aoteru first meets the guard with the punchable face in front of the steps, he accidentally uses the pronoun "Washi" from Ehime dialect before correcting himself and speaking in standard Japanese/Tokyo dialect. Like in Episode 2 with Tsune-chan and Toryūmon hopefuls, this causes the guard to clock Aoteru as a country bumpkin commoner. In the epic Tale of the Heike , there is a famous line often attributed to Taira no Kiyomori (one of Denki's possible inspirations) though was actually boastfully said by Taira no Tokitada : 此一門にあらざらむ人は皆人非人なるべし which has been simplified to 平家にあらずんば人にあらず (Heike ni arazunba hito ni arazu) - "If you aren't a member of the Taira clan, you're not even human." The guard displays this very same attitude toward Aoteru when he calls him "trash" and a "commoner." Of course, it was such arrogance from the Taira clan that led to its downfall (with help from historical Yoshitsune ). The frog in the well proverb, "A frog in the well does not know the great ocean" (井の中の蛙大海を知らず or 井底之蛙 in Chinese) about limited perspectives comes from a tale told by the Chinese philosopher Zhuang Zhou (Zhuang Zi) in Chapter 17 "Autumn Floods" of the Zhuangzi ), one of the foundational texts of Daoism the philosopher authored during the Warring States period. Fuji the Third uses the archaic pronoun "Chin," (朕) which can only be used by emperors. It sounds funny to hear in the modern day, especially from such a meek person. Japan has some of the snowiest regions in the world and Seii is made up of these places. Cold and dry air blowing from Siberia absorbs heat and moisture from the surface of the Sea of Japan. When that unstable air hits the coastal Honshū and Hokkaido mountain ranges and is forced upwards, it forms snow clouds with heavy snowfall (orographic snowfall) . Snowfall can be particularly massive on the mainland in prefectures such as Niigata, where the Seii capital is located, due to the Japan Sea Convergence Zone, an atmospheric river-like cloud zone that forms when the Siberian air flows over the Korean mountains before meeting the Japan Sea. "Winter Shogun" (冬将軍) in Japanese or " General Frost " refers to the very cold Siberian air mass that has contributed to the failures of invasions of Russia, and first came into use after Napoleon's disastrous attempt in 1812. It's often depicted in Japanese weather forecasts as a shogun with a white beard or mustache and helmet that says "winter (冬)." Some news stations are a little more creative and get their forecasters to dress up as the shogun . We had another version of the Takuya Kimura joke (cho, mate watashi ちょ、待て私) from our bob-haired friend as he makes onigiri. It was only shown briefly in the onscreen text, but the Hei surname was changed to Konoura after Yayakichi's execution so that Daikichi and Yasuke would not be associated with their father's "betrayal" and shame. The surname "Hei" (閉伊) originates in Iwate prefecture, while "Konoura (木ノ浦)" in this context refers to Konoura town in Akita prefecture. (Ouga's surname " Wajima " is also a city that is on the Noto Peninsula in Ishikawa Prefecture and world-famous for lacquerware. It's also where they had the devastating earthquake in 2024 on New Year's Day.) I'm sure everyone is familiar with "Toyota" and if you like sushi, you probably already know "Maguro (鮪)" (Tuna) . "Sugoroku (双六)," the name of the officer Kaku was speaking to before Ryūmon arrived in the previous episode, is a Japanese dice game . Dōitsu is the Japanese name for Mazu Daoyi , the Chinese Zen (Chan) Buddhist abbot. I'm not entirely sure if our doctor is named after him as they seem so different.
制作陣の松木一嘉さんが、ステロイド離脱症候群で2週間高熱が続いてて、包帯巻いたままベッドからツイートしてるんだって。ちなみに長期使用しなくてもTSWになることはある。俺の家族も湿疹の塗り薬を2~3日使っただけで発症した。 青輝が階段前で殴りたくなる顔の門衛と初めて会う時、うっかり愛媛方言の「ワシ」って言っちゃってから標準語に直すシーン、分かる。第2話でツネちゃんや登龍門志望者たちの前でやったのと同じで、門衛に田舎者ってバレるんだよな。 平家物語の「此一門にあらざらむ人は皆人非人なるべし」って清盛の名言(実際は時忠だけど)、門衛が青輝に「ゴミ」「平民」って言う時の態度まんまそれじゃん。でもそんな傲慢さが平家を滅ぼしたわけで。 井の中の蛙の故事は荘子の「秋水」編からだね。 不二三代目が「朕」って使うの、現代だと特に気弱な人から聞くと笑える。 聖夷は日本有数の豪雪地帯で構成されてる。シベリアからの冷たく乾いた空気が日本海で熱と湿気を吸収し、山脈にぶつかって雪雲になる。新潟みたいな場所だと日本海収束帯で特に大雪になる。 「冬将軍」はナポレオン遠征失敗後から使われるようになったシベリア寒気団の呼び方で、天気予報で白ひげの将軍として描かれる普通くん
bushwarblerssong
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According to the anime's official twitter account, Daikichi Hei proved his abilities from when he was very young when he would accompany his father. Like Mūton's story of shooting a bear in the eyes, he claims he once defeated a giant bear in a life-or-death battle barehanded, but the truth is unknown. Yasuke Hei spent his youth on the battlefield with his older brother, Daikichi. Like his father Yayakichi, he is excellent at scheming and when he was young, was able to avoid countless troubles with women using his stratagems. (Never would've thought he was such a ladies man.) When he was young, Yayakichi Hei served as district governor of the Murakami District, leaving behind many achievements during his successive terms. When he was 42, Ouga's father Byakko was appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Western Campaign and he was invited to serve as his adviser. Deeply trusted by Byakko, Yayakichi was treated as a member of the Wajima family. Glossary ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 ) 【Yayakichi's Rebellion】 In March of Year 60 in the Yamato era, with the resolve to accept full responsibility, Seii strategist Yayakichi Hei launched a rebellion in order to restore the authority of Ouga Wajima and rectify corrupted laws. To begin his operation, Yayakichi led several dozens of Seii soldiers to lay siege to Ouga's residence. He fatally stabbed one guard patrolling the grounds, but was soon apprehended. As the dozens of Seii soldiers had only been told that the purpose of the operation was to "capture a certain person," they surrendered when they learned that the true objective was to assassinate the Commander-in-Chief. Through his swift actions that claimed only a single life, Yayakichi took it upon himself the disgrace of being branded a traitor.
公式アカウントで公開された設定をまとめると、**平大吉**は幼少期から父に従軍し、**武勇**の才を示していたという。**ムートン**が熊の目を射抜いた逸話があるように、大吉も素手で巨熊を倒したと自称するが、真偽は不明。**平弥吉**は兄・大吉と共に戦場で青春を過ごし、父・**八十吉**譲りの**策略家**の才能を発揮。若い頃から女難を計略で回避していたという(まさか女好きとは)。そして**八十吉**は村上郡の郡司として功績を残し、42歳で**平殿器**の父・**白虎**が西征総大将に就任すると、軍師として招聘される。白虎から深く信頼され、**輪島家**の一員として遇されたという経緯がある。 【八十吉の乱】大和60年3月、**輪島桜虎**の権威回復と腐敗した法の是正を目的に、征夷軍師・平八十吉が**決死の覚悟**で叛乱を起こす。作戦初動として数十名の征夷兵を率いて桜虎の邸を包囲。見回りの衛兵1名を刺殺するが、すぐに制圧される。兵たちは「ある人物の捕縛」とだけ聞かされていたため、真の目的が総大将暗殺と知ると投降。たった1人の犠牲で素早く行動を完結させ、自ら**逆賊の汚名**を着たという、まさに**苦肉計**と捉えるべき設定だ。考察くん
Ivy_Mike1
Where did you learn about all of this? Did you major in asian history or something?
うわまじで!?どこでそんな知識仕入れてんの?笑 アジア史専攻とかだったりするん?やばくない?ギャル
bushwarblerssong
Most of what appeared this episode is just basic Japanese knowledge, but I did have to track down the origin of the frog proverb and the exact Tokitada quote and look up Dōitsu. I elaborated a little more about my knowledge in this comment .
今回のエピソードに出てきた内容は基本的な日本知識が多かったけど、蛙の諺と時忠の引用の出典を調べたり、道逸についても調べる必要があったな。自分の知識についてはこのコメントでもうちょっと詳しく書いたよ。普通くん
moichispa
Question: I think I heard the emperor using Jibun to refer to Aoteru. Is that the osakaben jibun that is used for other people instead of yourself?
そうそう!それそれッ!関西弁の「自分」だよ!つまり天皇が青輝のこと「自分」って呼んでるってことは、めっちゃ親しみ込めてるってことやんな!エモすぎるだろこの演出ッ!感情くん
bushwarblerssong
I need to rewatch because I don’t remember him saying it, but using jibun for “you” is Osaka-ben (and Kyoto-ben). I did a search to see if it appears in other dialects and not even other Kansai people use it. Now that I think of it, I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a non-Osakan/Kyotoite using it.
確かに「自分」を「あなた」の意味で使うのは大阪・京都弁だね。他の関西人でも使わないし、大阪・京都出身以外が使ってるの聞いたことないわ。もう一度見直さないと、彼がそう言ってた記憶が曖昧だから。普通くん
moichispa
It is more an less at the start of the scene, first time the emperor speaks around minute 16 after Taira introduces Mitsumi. Translation is: "your are incredible", Japanese seems to be something like Sugoi [Dont' understand it] Jibun
シーン始まった辺りやな。平がミツミ紹介した後の16分過ぎに皇帝初めて喋るんやけど、訳すと「お前すげぇな」みたいな感じ。日本語だと「すごい……自分」って言うてるっぽいンゴwww2ちゃん
bushwarblerssong
Thank you. He does say “凄いやん、自分” so 100% casual Osaka-ben which isn’t very emperor-like and also funny when combined with the archaic 朕 use. (〜やん is just the Kansai version of saying 〜ね・よね etc.)
まじでありがと!「凄いやん、自分」って完全に関西弁じゃん?笑 皇帝っぽくないし、古風な「朕」と合わせると逆に面白すぎるんだよね〜(〜やんは関西弁で〜ね・よねって感じなんだって!)ギャル
Walorani
Am i mistaken, or isn't Doitsu also the japanese word for "German"?
間違ってないぞw 確かに「ドイツ」はドイツ語でGermanyって意味だし、日本でもそのまんまだわw まじかよwwwwwwおじ
bushwarblerssong
Doitsu is “Germany,” but the name in this case is Dōitsu (Douitsu). Doitsu - ドイツ or 独逸 Dōitsu - ドウイツ or 道一
せやな、「Doitsu」はドイツやけど、この作品では「道一(ドウイツ)」って読ませてるンゴね。表記も「独逸」じゃなくて「道一」って漢字使ってて、ちゃんと設定に意味持たせてるのが草2ちゃん
Walorani
Would you tell the difference by context, or do these two words not sound alike?
文脈で区別できると思うけど、実際に発音は似てるの?普通くん
bushwarblerssong
They sound quite different if you’ve grown up with Japanese, but you could figure it out by context if a speaker is not pronouncing the words correctly. Long vowels (chōon) is something foreign speakers often struggle to hear or speak properly when it comes to Japanese.
日本語ネイティブからすると全然違う聞こえるンゴね。でも文脈でなんとなく察せるやろ。長音(ちょうおん)って外人には聞き取りも発音も難しいみたいやな。2ちゃん
BosuW
I wasn't expecting General Winter to be that famous in Japan
まじで「冬将軍」が日本でそんな有名だとは思わなかったんだけど!やばくね!?笑ギャル
bushwarblerssong
The weather forecast people would never pass up the opportunity to make a cute character. (The crazy snowfall thanks to the Siberian air is also a real issue domestically.)
まあ、天気予報のキャラクターは可愛くするのが定番だよな。(シベリア寒気団による大雪は国内でも現実問題だけどな)ドライおじ
Oden_sama__
Ahhh I still need to check out HeikeMonogatari It must be really important
あーまだ平家物語見てないわw 絶対重要そうだよな笑wwwおじ
bushwarblerssong
It’s definitely one of the most important texts in Japanese literature and culture. If you haven’t already checked out the recent anime adaptation by Science Saru, it’s wonderful and you might be interested in The World is Dancing which starts in July, which is about Zeami Motokiyo, a famous playwright from the 14-15th century who adapted its stories into Noh.
確かにそれは日本文学・文化の中でも重要な文献の一つだね。サイエンスSARUの最近のアニメ化作品はまだ観てないならおすすめだよ。7月から始まる『The World is Dancing』も気になるし、これは能にその話をアレンジした14-15世紀の有名な劇作家・世阿弥元清が題材なんだって。普通くん
Oden_sama__
yes! i already have the world is dancing on my watchlist, very looking forward to its release 💜
「世界は踊る」もうウォッチリストに入れてるンゴ!待ちきれへんわ💜2ちゃん
bushwarblerssong
Great minds think alike 😉
確かに、天才の発想って被るよね 😉感情くん
Sant268
the guard iirc first used ゴミ and then ゴミ分別...isn't it?
そういや衛兵、最初に「ゴミ」って言ってから「ゴミ分別」って言い直してなかった?普通くん
Massive-Hearing4160
あなたのようなゴミ あなたのご身分では
あなたのその身分じゃ無理じゃない?笑ギャル
Sant268
ah makes sense, i thought he called him recycled commoner since he joined the corps lol
あーなるほど、てっきり入隊したから「使い回しの平民」って呼んだのかと思ってたわ笑普通くん
bushwarblerssong
u/Massive-Hearing4160 already corrected you on the ゴミ part. The commoner part comes from when the character said “ 平民上がり の多い辺境将軍隊には分からへんかぁ” right after.
草、Massive-Hearing4160が既にゴミのとこは訂正してたンゴね。平民上がりってのは「平民上がりの多い辺境将軍隊には分からへんかぁ」ってキャラが直後に言ってたとこやろ。2ちゃん
notanfan
WHERE IS THE REST OF IT? it ended before i even blinked
続きはどこにあるんだよ!まばたきする前に終わっちゃったじゃん普通くん
Federal-Seaweed-987
At first I thought they would roll the end credits and continue after, no such luck Last episode sucked and this one was awesome Is it 12 episodes total? Taira is the emperor. He now has to find a way to convince Taira of deciding something against himself while also being oblivious of it. I hope it's a clever ruse
まずエンドロールが流れてから本編が始まるのかと思ったけど、そうじゃなかったな。最終話はイマイチだったけど、今回は最高だった。全12話構成か?平殿器が実質的な皇帝だよな。青輝は平殿器に気づかれずに、しかも自分に不利な決断をさせる方法を見つけなきゃいけない。巧妙な策略に期待したいところだ。考察くん
senagorules
MAL says 12. Maybe we’ll get lucky and they surprise us with a 2nd cour announcement at the end because I can already feel a cliffhanger building which is gonna suck if we have to wait a year+.
MALだと12話って言われてるね。最後に2期発表とかあったら嬉しいんだけど、もう伏線っぽいの出てきてるし、もし1年以上待たされるならキツいな。普通くん
AAA_BATT
will be clapping like a seal when this fat bastard is killed
このデブ野郎が殺されるシーンきたらワイはアザラシみたいに拍手するわwww2ちゃん
psyclical
Aoteru: Ten seconds, in his stomach
青輝、10秒で腹パン決めたんだけど!?やばすぎじゃね!?笑ギャル
ElliotAlderson2024
Unfortunately history shows these evil fat bastards get to die in bed, peacefully. See Stalin, Mao.
わかるけどマジでムカつく…現実の歴史じゃ悪どいデブ野郎どもが安らかにベッドで死ぬんだよな。スターリンとか毛沢東とか見てみろよ。しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
Mechapebbles
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FWIW: this character is based on an IRL guy named Taira no Kiyomori. And he was someone who, while dying in bed, did so in the middle of a war that he started that led to the downfall of his entire clan. Reports of his death say he had a fever that was so high, that anyone who attempted to get near him would get burned by the heat. An obvious exaggeration, but one made to underscore that he died a miserable death.
へー、このキャラって平清盛がモデルなんだ。実際の清盛は自分が始めた戦争の真っ最中に床で死んで、一族も没落したらしい。しかも高熱で近づく人すら火傷するって言われてたんだって。誇張だけど、悲惨な死に方だったのを強調してるんだろうな。普通くん
ElliotAlderson2024
One can hope!
まじでそうなったらいいよね!期待しちゃうわ〜!ギャル
AbanoMex
See Stalin i mean, his death sounds frustrating for him.
スターリンって感じだな…いやつまり、あいつの死に方、本人にとってはめっちゃ悔しかったんだろうな。しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
kelephon19
Taira is one of the most hateable villains I can remember recently for sure.
確かに平殿器は最近のアニメでもトップクラスに嫌な悪役だと思う。普通くん
DarknessSerpent
Dude is definitely up there with Regulus Corneas for me, as villains that I love because they are so hate-able, but are entertaining to watch.
せやな、このクソ野郎はRegulus Corneasと並ぶレベルやわ。クソすぎて逆に好きになるタイプのヴィランやけど、見てて面白いンゴwww2ちゃん
Jacob-C
Definately has that Regulus factor to him. Good comparison.
確かにレグルス的な要素あるよね。いい例えだと思う。普通くん
Beautiful-Bit3929
as soon as aoteru entered the hall, the episode went by a flash i wonder if they have already understood sei's plan that wajima was talking about
青輝が入ってきた瞬間、話が一瞬で終わったんだけど!もう桜虎が言ってたセイの計画に気づいたのかな…?しんどい、続きが早く見たいッ!感情くん
bananeeek
How can Aoteru stand up by himself with balls that heavy? Seeing how blatantly the corruption spreads through the court and how many bootlickers there are is infuriating. Sadly, it's also all too real. Having people like Misumi stand against all of that and not even flinch is one of the most badass sights. Also, Taira with the idol poses will never not be funny.
青輝のあの度胸の座りよう、まさに鋼のメンタルだよな。朝廷に蔓延る腐敗とゴマすり連中を見てると腹が立つけど、現実にもありがちな構図だからこそリアルだ。そんな中で微動だにせず立ち向かう三角の姿は、マジで漢の中の漢って感じだ。あと、平殿のアイドルポーズは何度見てもシュールで笑える。考察くん
Hyouryuu-Na
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Yeeeey Tsune Chan episode 😊 I missed him on the last one. His internal crisis never gets old 😆 Damn... So it wasn't nicotine like I said in my last comment but rather, suspicious drugs that made kaku like this ;--; Hope he recovers soon TT I wanted to smack that random yapping npc bich in the audience. Taira should've beheaded her for the sole offence of being annoying. Disgusting. Also looks like Taira remembers Aoteru and what he did to his wife... Aoteru has the patience of a saint. I'd lose my mind and try to attack him and end up dying. And is it just me or did Taira's concern for Tonotsugu not sound genuine at all? Once again. This episode felt really short. Idk what magic this production team is casting but it never misses the mark at entertaining me. I need someone to do a masters thesis on why this anime is so captivating like wtf
やったー常ちゃんだ!前回出てこなかったから寂しかったんだよね😊 彼の内面の葛藤はいつ見ても飽きないわww え…前回コメントでニコチンって言ったけど、実は怪しい薬だったのか…鶴がこんな風になっちゃうなんて;;; 早く回復してほしいTT あの観客席の謎に喋ってるNPCビッチにはビンタしたくなったな。平殿器はあいつがウザいってだけで首はねるべきだったわ。マジでムカつく。それに平殿器、青輝のこと覚えてて奥さんのこと思い出してるっぽいね…青輝の忍耐力は聖人級だわ。俺なら頭にきて襲いかかって死んでるわ。あと平殿器の殿継への心配、全然本気っぽくなくない?俺だけ?今回もめっちゃ短く感じた。この制作陣、なんか魔法かけてるだろ。毎回毎回ちゃんと面白いんだもん。誰かこのアニメがなんでこんなに魅力的なのか修士論文書いてくれよマジで普通くん
batmax25
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She's doing exactly what Taira wants. If Aoteru wasn't able to handle her points, then Aoteru would have been disgraced and silenced, allowing Taira to gain control of the army without dissent. Instead, Aoteru deftly handled her accusations, amusing Taira. >is it just me or did Taira's concern for Tonotsugu not sound genuine at all His plan was to let Tonotsugu fall into the trap, and then use the trap as evidence of Ryumon's incompentence / have him take responsibility for Tonotsugu's death. Instead, Ryumon avoided the full extent of the trap, and Kaku's thinking allowed Tonotsugu to survive. Even still, Taira can use what did happen to bludgeon Ryumon (as he does this episode)
平殿器の思惑通りやんこれ。もし青輝が論破されてたら失脚して黙らされて、軍の掌握が完了してたわけや。でも青輝が巧みに切り返したから、平殿器も逆に面白がってるしな。 >トノツグに対する平殿器の心配、ガチで嘘くさくね? あれは最初からトノツグを罠に嵌めて、それを龍門の無能の証拠にするつもりやったんやろ。トノツグ死んだら龍門に責任取らせる算段やった。でも龍門は罠の全貌を回避して、鶴の機転でトノツグも生き残った。それでも平殿器は今回みたいに龍門を叩く材料に使ってるンゴねぇ…草2ちゃん
BosuW
And is it just me or did Taira's concern for Tonotsugu not sound genuine at all? Absolutely he doesn't give a shit. He sent him out to get killed or at least harmed and have an excuse to kill or at least strong arm Ryūmon and the army in retaliation.
平殿器のトノツグへの心配、全然本気に聞こえなかったの俺だけ?絶対どうでもいいと思ってるよな。トノツグを殺されるか傷つけられるために送り出して、それを口実に龍門と軍を潰すか脅すつもりだろ。普通くん
tripleaamin
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Who would have thought that Kaku would be in more danger at the start than Ryuumon? Hopefully he can recover because it would be a notable loss if they lost him. It probably stresses how much he was pushing himself as Ryuumon executed his plan against Wajima. Much like with episode 1, Atoeru is using what people say in his favor. Having to outwit Taira will be tough. Retreating is definitely far from what they suspect, but I am curious what his argument will be.
ワイ驚いたンゴ…まさか鶴が龍門より危ない状態になるとは思わんかったわ。もし死んだらデカすぎる損失やろ。龍門が桜虎に対抗する策を実行する時、鶴がどんだけ無理してたかって話やな。1話と同じく青輝は他人の言葉を上手いこと利用してる。平殿器を出し抜くのはガチで大変やろうけど、撤退なんて絶対予想外やしな。どんな理屈で通すのか気になるわ。2ちゃん
Donnie-G
I think the fact Denki Taira remembers Aoteru's wife is interesting. I mean the guy did probably leave an impression, but it also shows that Taira is quite a sharp fellow. He is a conniving bastard and a tyrant but he's also not incompetent.
平殿器が青輝の奥さんのこと覚えてたの、結構興味深いよな。あの男が印象に残ったってのもあるけど、平殿器が結構切れる奴だってのも分かる。狡猾で暴君だけど、無能ってわけじゃないんだな。普通くん
ElliotAlderson2024
Also given how many people Taira has had executed, it's a wonder he remembers any individual instances. Like General Bison from Street Fighter. "For me it was Tuesday".
わかるわかる!平殿器って処刑しすぎて個別の記憶すらなくて草。ストリートファイターのバイソン将軍みたいに「俺にとっては火曜日だった」ってやつじゃん!まじでやばい笑ギャル
ObvsThrowaway5120
An imperial edict for a withdrawal? That’s not only a huge ask but I don’t see how that bastard Taira is gonna let it fly. I guess we gotta wait another week to see how Aoteru explains this situation before they take his head. It’s certainly a plan that Seii won’t see coming, but I’m not sure how it’s gonna win them this war.
撤退の詔か…めちゃくちゃハードル高いし、あの平の野郎がどうやって受け入れるんだろうな。まあ首をはねられる前に青輝がどう説明するか、来週まで待つしかないか。聖夷は確かに想定外だろうけど、これで戦いに勝てるかは微妙だな。普通くん
jaytix1
I like how Taira actually seemed disappointed in Aoteru for a second. There's a certain level of respect baked into his interactions with him.
うむ、平殿器が一瞬だけ青輝に失望したような表情を見せたのが実に面白かったでござる。彼とのやり取りには、ある種の敬意が込められておるようだな。武士
BosuW
He seemed more perplexed to me. Like thinking "this man is suggesting absolute madness and yet I can see absolute conviction in his eyes, what is his angle?"
確かに困惑してたように見えたな。「こいつ正気かよ…でも目がマジだ。何考えてんだ?」って感じだったね。普通くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
Guy’s never met someone like Aoteru. Dude doesn’t kiss his ass, isn’t scared of him, and doesn’t seem to actively want him dead. That’s enough to get his interest imo.
あいつ青輝みたいなやつ初めてやろな。ゴマすらんし、ビビってもないし、殺そうともしてこない。それだけで興味湧くわwww2ちゃん
BosuW
Another possibility I'm thinking off is that Aoteru's goal isn't actually to get the withdrawal edict approved. It is just a way to motivate discussion in such a way that in the end, he gets what he wants (which we are being led to believe is reinforcements without Denki's involvement), but with the court thinking it was their own idea instead of an answer he purposefully led them to.
なるほど、青輝の本当の目的は撤退勅令を通すことじゃなくて、議論を誘導して最終的に自分の欲しい結果(たぶん平殿器を巻き込まずに援軍を得ること)を、朝廷が自分で考えたと思い込ませるように持ってくってことか。確かにあり得そうだな。普通くん
feithrowaway22
he's lucky as hell, in a "normal" setting he'd have been executed for disrespect to a random servant
ふむ…奴は運が良かったでござるな。もしこれが「普通」の世の中なら、ただの下僕に無礼を働いただけで首が飛んでおったであろう。武士
Relative-Cloud-2691
Aoteru's words are so well crafted Denki himself are not offended, even he thought "Damn, he got the point"
まじで青輝の言葉選びやばくね!?笑 なんか本人も「あっ、それな」って思っちゃってる感じじゃんwギャル
Maximum-Quote-3192
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Peak episode as always, Aoteru's way of speaking is just making you glued to the screen. Anyone would wish to be that eloquent when expressing yourself. The episode ending on Aoteru's eyes on fire means one thing for sure: Bro understood it all. And I think that he requested the withdrawal of reinforcments precisely because he predicted Seii's winter strategy. Not only that, but he also found the biggest flaw to Seii's strategy: the lack of information. Seii's plan goes like this: a part of the army is doing a siege where Ryuumon is located at. Another part will go kill general naganime and his troops at Fukui yamato reinforcments arrive seii retreats back to their advantageous habitat (while evacuating the civilians AND destroying the villages during their journey) they destroy the exhausted troops from Yamato's reinforcements. By withdrawing the troops, Seii will enact their plan on something entirely useless. Because they'll attract no soldiers in Seii's snowy capital. Therefore, there will be no massacre, just 50 thousands Seii soldiers going back to their home peacefully. There's still a possibility that Seii understands that there will be no reinforcment coming. However, their plan works only if they're WAY ahead the yamato troops coming to Fukui. In order for Seii's strategy to work, they will need to mobilize the 50K soldiers in Fukui early kill naganime and his soldiers early. So, by the time the 50K soldiers will be at Fukui, fighting Naganime, it'll be too late for the 50K soldiers to come back again into Yamato's territory. Even with that explanation, there is still a question that lies within: how could Aoteru Misumi deduce their Winter strategy plan ? I think it's rather simple. The situation is still: - 60k seii soldiers inside an unknown land VS 100K soldiers available (with fortresses , castles etc...)in their motherland. Seii was able to make such great moves precisely because the soldiers weren't used efficiently ( Isn't that right, Denki Taira and his son ? ). The second reinforcments arrive, no matter how well they had been performing, the battle will be long. And Seii won't have enough ressources to keep going (compared to Yamato that has lots of foods and shelters). So, the only way to kill as many soldiers as possible is to either : weaken them make sure there aren't used to their maximum potential. The first option was already done by isolating 30K soldiers, using Yamato's political instability. But now, this option won't work. Therefore, the can only weaken them. And the only way to weaken them is by taking their food, shelters, stability inside their homeland. Which is what the Winter strategy is doing. Using Seii's horrendous conditions to weaken the soldiers and kill them one by one. If Aoteru had that in mind, it isn't far-fetched to assume that he deduced the winter strategy AND found their weak spot. In short, Seii designed a trap for an exhausted foreign army deep in hostile territory. Without Yamato's reinforcements, the strategy is rendered useless. Which is precisely what Aoteru's executing with that silver mouth of his.
今週も神回やったな。青輝の話し方マジで画面に釘付けやわ。あんな風に喋れたら誰もが憧れるわ。ラストの目に火がついてるカットで察したわ。あいつ全部理解してるンゴ。 援軍撤退要請は冬戦略読んでたからやろ。ついでに聖夷の最大の弱点も見抜いてた。聖夷の作戦は「福井の長命を討ってから大和の援軍をおびき寄せて殲滅」って流れやけど、援軍来なかったら意味ないやん。 青輝がどうやって冬戦略を推理したかって?単純やろ。聖夷は補給不足で長期戦できひん。だから敵を弱らせるしかない。その手段が冬戦略=食料・住居を奪って兵を減らすこと。それを読んでたんや。 つまり聖夷は「敵地で疲弊した外敵」を罠にハメる計画やったけど、青輝が援軍止めたせいで罠が完全に無駄になったってわけ。あの銀舌でな。2ちゃん
BoBab
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Anddd so what if all of that is true, so Aoteru actually wants Taira to lead reinforcements, get stomped, and come back with his tail between his legs disgraced. But to do that, he needs Taira to think sending reinforcements is not what Aoteru/Ryuumon wants. And then somehow, I'm not sure yet how, Aoteru convinces Taira that sending Tsune off on some little jaunt (maybe unbeknownst to Taira to meetup with that one disgraced general from earlier episodes) is actually Aoteru accepting "scraps" and not really getting what Aoteru/Ryuumon wants (even though it is what he wants). Then the end result of everything is Taira thinks he himself is choosing to send reinforcements against the will of Ryuumon's clique to steal glory and his top military leader position. If Aoteru just agreed with everything then Taira may become suspicious, so Aoteru can only get what Aoteru wants by convincing Taira that Taira is getting what Taira wants and not what Aoteru/Ryuumon wants... And then maybe just maybe, this allows for big enough unavoidable damage to Taira's stature to secure Ryuumon's faction's military control at the very least and maybe even to usurp Taira's unilateral control of the ministers by showing Taira's weaknesses. Yea idk, maybe I'm just confusing myself lol.
なるほど、つまり青輝は平に援軍を出させて負けさせ、恥をかかせたいわけか。そのために、平に「援軍を送るのは青輝や龍門の望みじゃない」と思わせる必要がある。で、常をちょっとした任務にやらせる(多分、前に出てきた失脚した将軍と会わせるため)のが、青輝が「端っこ」を受け入れたように見せかけて、実は狙い通りの結果を導く、と。最終的に平は「龍門一派の意向に反して援軍を送り、手柄を横取りする」と思い込む。青輝が全部同意したら怪しまれるから、平に「自分が望むものを手に入れてる」と思わせるしかない…これで平の立場にダメージを与え、龍門派の軍事的優位を確保、さらに平の弱点を曝け出して大臣たちの掌握を崩せるかもしれない。うん、自分でも混乱してきたわ笑普通くん
ElliotAlderson2024
Aoteru's entire motivation is to stomp out the Taira clan forever so that the sanctity of life in the world improves just a little bit.
青輝の動機がマジで重すぎるッ!「平家を完全に潰して、この世界の命の尊厳をほんのちょっとでも良くしたい」って…泣いた。その覚悟、優勝すぎるだろッ!感情くん
Maximum-Quote-3192
You might be onto something. This would also make sense why kaku told aoteru to lie in firewood and persuade the heavens. He meant of not lying (resting) but actuzlly lying the opposite of truth. The in firewood part could mean where the kingdom is at stakes. Or when he is surrounded by big menaces. Which is the perfect fit for aoteru rn. Ontop of the heavend likely representing taira
確かに興味深い考察だ。鶴が青輝に「薪に臥して天を説得せよ」と告げた場面だが、ここでの「臥す」は単に休息するという意味ではなく「偽りの言葉を並べる」という二重の意味が込められている可能性が高い。薪の部分は国家存亡の危機、つまり青輝が今まさに直面している大規模な脅威に囲まれた状況を象徴しているのだろう。そして天は平殿器を指していると考えるのが自然だ。この解釈は物語全体の伏線として非常に整合性が取れている。考察くん
ElliotAlderson2024
So basically Seii will use the WW2 Soviet Union strategy, of lure the enemy into the gates of hell which is winter they are not coped to deal with.
まじでそれ!青輝、WW2のソ連戦略パクってるだけじゃん笑 敵を冬の地獄に引きずり込んで、対応できずにボロボロにさせるってやつ〜。やばくね!?ギャル
Maximum-Quote-3192
Exactly 😭
それな😭 泣ける感情くん
ThatOneRedditor6910
Your Imperial Majesty, that female minister is a baddie.
陛下、あの女性大臣はかなりやばいね。普通くん
EitherExamination343
Yet, my boy Aoteru is so unmoved that he complimented her and then cooked her in front of a live studio audience. Truely a paragon of justice.
マジで青輝くんってば動じなさすぎじゃね!?笑 あの子を褒めたかと思ったら、そのまま公開処刑しちゃうとか草。正義の鑑すぎるわ〜ギャル
LezRock
I think that's part of what Aoteru hinted at in his assessment of how she may have risen up in the ranks, by utilizing her baddie assets.
それな!青輝が「彼女の昇進のカラクリ」をほのめかしてたシーン、まさにそこだよなッ!彼女の武器を利用して這い上がってきたって解釈、めっちゃ腑に落ちるわ。エモすぎるだろこの考察ッ!感情くん
moichispa
strong mean highschool girl vibres
草、ガチで強気な女子高生感あふれててワロタwww2ちゃん
ElliotAlderson2024
I honestly thought Aoteru was going to get that female minister beheaded. My guess is Taira is banging her, so not yet.
マジで青輝があの女官の首をはねるかと思ったわ。たぶん平殿器が彼女とやってるからまだ切られないんだろうな…この展開やばすぎるッ!感情くん
BosuW
Your imperial Majesty, I second my fellow Minister's motion.
陛下、同僚の大臣の提案に同意します。普通くん
Scopper_gabon
It's so good having Aoteru back. i've really missed him the past few episodes.
青輝復活マジで嬉しいわ。ここ数話マジで恋しかったンゴwww2ちゃん
Dalaa_A
Tyra's "V" gesture with his two fingers and the smile on his face never fails to make me smile in the most serious situations. The gesture, which was common in photography and showing friendliness, now seems to have another meaning, at least in my dictionary, which is "Get ready, I'll kill you in seconds."
タイラのVサインと笑顔、シリアスな場面でも毎回こっちまで笑顔になるんだよな。写真とか友好を示すジェスチャーだったのに、今は俺の中で「覚悟しろ、秒で殺すからな」って意味に変わったわ。普通くん
sukeban
In Japan the sign means "peace" (as in, you get a picture taken, you do the sign and say PIIIIIISU to smile instead of "cheese") 平/ Taira means both "flat" and "calm", as in "peace".
それってめっちゃエモいじゃん!「ピース」が「ピーーーッス」って発音されるの知ってたけど、「平」に「平和」と「平坦」のダブルミーニングがあるのヤバすぎるッ!日本文化の深みエグいわ…感情くん