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孤と個
偶然、陽太の母親と出会った小雪は、陽太の家庭事情と、陽太自身が抱えてきた辛い感情を知る。両親の離婚を経験している小雪は、陽太を心配してその心に寄り添う。陽太は小雪の優しさに触れ...。
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Duke_Maniac
THEY ANIMATED THE HAPPINESS DANCE!
やばっ!しあわせダンスアニメ化されたんだけど!マジで興奮するんだけど!ギャル
Frontier246
Complete with Chibi Gremlin Form! Suzuki would be proud!
ちびグレムリンフォーム完備!鈴木も誇りに思うだろ!最高すぎるッ!感情くん
NanDemoKnaives
I need it as a gif.
あの動きをGIFとして永久に封印せねばならぬ…我が魂がそう叫んでいるのだ。中二病
PerfectBeige
You can have this infinitely happy dancing Koyun until someone that actually knows what they are doing makes one that's nicer.
この無限に幸せそうな踊るコユン、誰かがもっと良いのを作ってくれるまではこれでいいや。普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
Thank you for your effort.
お前の努力に感謝やで。草2ちゃん
Elenkis
Here is another one for you
ここにもう一つあるよ普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
May your pillow be cool on both sides tonight!
おまえの枕、今夜は両面ひんやりしてるといいな!笑ギャル
Totallynoatwork
I find that if you drool on your pillow while you sleep and wake up while it’s still wet, then the pillow is cold. Too cold though so I flip it over….
寝てる間に枕によだれ垂らして、まだ濡れてるうちに起きると枕が冷たいんだよね。でも冷たすぎるから裏返すわ…普通くん
PerfectBeige
A dance that not only expresses but also transmits happiness. Koyun, you adorable derpy treasure.
まじこのダンスやばくない!?幸せを表現するだけじゃなくて伝染させてるんだよ!こゆん、あんたほんと可愛いバカで宝物すぎるじゃん!笑ギャル
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
I really like Koyun and Yota’s friendship. She’s not so guarded around him. It’s a little sad they both have this shared feeling of loneliness stemming from their family circumstances, but that’s something that’s brought them closer as friends. Plus it seems they’re both working on not letting themselves get covered in the “soot.” But man, I’m totally behind Yota x Miki. I’m like Koyun and her happy dance lol.
コユンとヨウタの友情は悪くないな。彼女も彼の前では警戒解けてるし。家族の事情で孤独を共有してるのは少し切ないが、それが友情を深めてるんだろう。二人とも“煤”に覆われないように頑張ってる感じだ。でも俺はヨウタ×ミキを推すよ。コユンのハッピーダンス、分かるわ。ドライおじ
weird_starving
Yota and Koyun friendship is absolutely the highlight for me in this show. So difficult to see authentic and in depth platonic relationships between girls and boys in media, even in anime
ユウタとコユンの友情がこの作品の最高すぎるッ! 男女の深い純粋な友情ってアニメでもなかなか見られないから、まじで貴重すぎて泣いた感情くん
Frontier246
Honestly it'll be interesting to see how Koyun and Minato's relationship develops now that we've settled into exactly what Koyun and Yota's relationship is. Koyun feels really comfortable and relates a lot to Yota, he makes her happy and cozy, she enjoys talking with and getting along with him...so where is Minato ultimately going to fit into her life?
確かに、小鳩と陽太の関係性がはっきりした今、小鳩と湊の関係がどう発展するか気になるね。小鳩は陽太といるとすごく落ち着くし、話すのも楽しいって感じてる...じゃあ湊は最終的に彼女の人生でどんなポジションになるんだろう?普通くん
SirGigglesandLaughs
In this episode, we saw Koyun try to give Yota and Miki space, which then led her to bond with Minato. There are a lot more chances for them to hang out now, and many more funny situations that can come out of two girls shipping their friends and two dudes hoping to be shipped (to the right person).
まあ今回はコユンがヨタとミキに気を遣って距離を置いた結果、ミナトと仲良くなるって流れだな。これで女子2人が友達をくっつけようとしつつ、男子2人もちゃんとした相手とくっつきたがるって構図が増えそうだ。面白い展開が期待できるだろうな。ドライおじ
ptd163
原文
It'd be cute if we got a scene where the two girls are hanging out by themselves and the conversation turns to the boys and Koyun asks Miki "Wait. You don't like Minato?" to which Miki replies "Wait. You don't like Yota?" and then they have laugh at all the shenanigans they've put each other through and start shipping the other with the right boy. But this is a romdrama not a romcom so I don't know if that will happen.
確かに2人だけで話すシーンあったら可愛いよね。「え、ミナトのこと好きなんじゃないの?」「いやいや、ヨウタのこと好きなのはそっちでしょ!」ってお互いツッコミ合って笑い合う感じ。でもこれはロマコメじゃなくてロメドラだからな…どうなるかわかんないね。普通くん
ThrowCarp
I love how open they're able to be around each other. Especially with how Koyun is usually guarded.
わかるッ!二人の距離感がエモすぎる。特にコユンが普段あんなにガード硬いのに、無防備な姿見せられるの最高すぎるッ!感情くん
PeaceAlien
Youta's character makes so much sense now; surprised Koyuki knew right away.
Youtaのキャラクター、今になってめっちゃ納得だわ。小雪がすぐ気づいたのすごいな。普通くん
Kirosh2
It's from her own experience after all. So once she noticed, she took the step needed to share her own vision on that.
それな!やっぱり自分の経験からきてるんだよな。気づいたら自分のビジョンを共有するために動き出すって、まじでエモすぎるッ!感情くん
Frontier246
And it's also a big step for her because she usually doesn't put herself out there because she's so self-conscious, but she did it because she felt she had to.
確かに彼女にとっては大きな一歩だよね。普段は自意識過剰で自分を出せないのに、やらなきゃって思って実行したんだから。普通くん
Doomroar
Rare case were projecting actually ends up nailing it Minato could never 😆
珍しいケースだなw 投影が実際に当たるってミナトには絶対無理だろww😆wwwおじ
frik1000
Before this episode I hard shipped Koyun and Yota yet somehow after their heart to heart, even before Yota admitted to liking Miki, their relationship shifted to just two absolutely amazing friends. Their friendship is honestly quite enviable. The whole Happiness Dance and Smile Guard scenes were so cute.
このエピソードを見る前は小雲と陽太を全力で推してたんだけど、あの心の触れ合いの後、陽太が美姫を好きだと認める前から、二人の関係性が最高の友人へと変化したように感じられるんだ。この友情は正直羨ましすぎる。ハピネスダンスとスマイルガードのシーンはめちゃくちゃ可愛かったな。考察くん
Frontier246
Even before the author wrote Polar Opposites, they still knew how to write believable and engaging teen relationships and the absolute cutest of moments.
作者が『Polar Opposites』を書く前から、信頼できる魅力的なティーン同士の関係や最高に可愛い瞬間を描くのが上手かったんだよね。普通くん
liggieep
sitting on a park bench with someone you have chemistry with except the conversation is about crushes on other people is so relatable
わかるわかる!公園のベンチでいい感じの人と座ってるのに、お互い他の人の話してるの超あるあるじゃん!てかそれって結構切なくない?笑ギャル
ILikeFPS
Before this episode I hard shipped Koyun and Yota yet somehow after their heart to heart, even before Yota admitted to liking Miki, their relationship shifted to just two absolutely amazing friends. Their friendship is honestly quite enviable. I think it was very intentionally written that way, to make it seem like they would end up together, and then I guess they don't.
このエピソード前までは小雲と陽太のカップリングを強く推していたんだが、あの腹を割った会話の後、陽太が美姫に好意を認める前から、二人の関係はただの最高の友人同士に変わったように感じる。正直、あの友情は羨ましいレベルだ。意図的にそう描かれていると思う。最初はくっつく流れに見せかけて、結局そうならない構図、これはかなり計算された伏線だな。考察くん
Jauretche
I'm still open for more twists on the story.
ふむ、まだまだ物語の展開に期待しておるでござる。新たな仕掛けがあれば、某は喜んで受け入れ申すぞ。武士
Idknowidk
I like them together as just friends but I’m still so sad that my ship sinked that deep in the ocean
わかる…友情としてはめっちゃいいんだけど、俺の推しカプが海底に沈みすぎて泣いた感情くん
superinsaiyanman
I'm still going to ship Yota & Koyun, but like hopefully after a good time of being best friends (which I hope they are on their way to now)
某、今なお陽太とコユンを推し続ける所存でござる。とはいえ、まずは良き盟友としての時間を経てからの話でありたい。今まさにその道を歩み始めたように見受けられる故、期待して見守るでござるよ。武士
_BMS
Same, I like them as a romantic pair the most
確かに、彼らは恋人同士が一番いいと思う普通くん
VoidRay728
原文
Yota is an interesting case where having other siblings actually makes you more lonely. I wonder how many other anime depicts this since normally in anime we don't see siblings having serious negative thoughts about each other. So now Koyun knows Yota likes Miki, while Miki ships Yota with Koyun. And I guess when the three of them interact, Mintao's over there enacting the "woman doing calculations" meme.
陽太のケースは興味深いな。兄弟姉妹がいることでむしろ孤独が深まるという構図だ。通常のアニメでは兄弟間のネガティブな感情を真剣に描くことが少ないから、この描写は貴重だと思われる。現状、小雲は陽太がミキを好きだと知り、ミキは陽太と小雲を推している。そして3人が絡む場面では、ミンタオが「女の子が計算してる」ミームを体現していると考察できる。考察くん
Frontier246
原文
I think it doesn't help that he was already dealing with feeling neglected prior to getting his stepmom and then his parents had to prioritize the younger kids so he felt doubly neglected again. But now after venting he can see how much his parents have been caring and considerate towards him and how much his siblings really adore their big brother. I get this sense that the more MikixYota develops, the more KoyunxMinato is going to develop to help compliment/support it.
確かに、継母が来る前から放置されてる感覚があったのに、親が下の子を優先してさらに二重に無視された感じになってたんだろうね。でも吐き出した後で、両親がどれだけ気にかけてくれてたか、弟妹たちがどれだけ兄を慕ってるか気づけたのが良かった。ミキ×ヨタの関係が深まるほど、コユン×ミナトもそれを補完・支える形で進展していく気がするな。普通くん
Avatar_Yaksha
If you're interested in sibling dynamics, I recommend the main series of Working/Wagnaria. The protagonist is a boy with 4 sisters and they each have to deal with their own problems.
それな!「ワーキング」の姉妹関係めっちゃ良いよね。主人公に4人の姉妹がいて、それぞれ抱えてる問題に向き合うのがエモすぎる!おすすめありがとう、優勝!感情くん
gekkenhuisje
I love Working!!/Wagnaria. Every character in that show is flawed, and the comedy actually lands pretty often. I will say that character development is restricted to only a few, though.
ワーキング!!(Wagnaria)マジで好きやわ。キャラみんな欠点だらけやけど、そのぶんコメディがガチで刺さるんよな。ただ、キャラ成長は一部に限られてるってのはせやな。2ちゃん
RobrechtvE
One element I absolutely love about this story when it comes to Yota's feelings of loneliness and how he feels like he's the outsider in the family is that first it shows us, the audience, that he's wrong and then it shows us why it's still completely believable that he'd feel that way.
この物語で陽太の孤独感や家族の中で自分だけが部外者みたいに感じる部分がすごく好きなんだよね。まず最初に「それは間違いだよ」って視聴者に見せて、それでいて「でもそう感じちゃうのも分かる」って思わせる構成になってるのが良いんだよな。普通くん
Hansennoah
Only for a bit but skip and loafer sosuke Shima feels pretty similar although only briefly
確かにちょっとだけ似てるなw スキップとローファーの志摩くん、あの雰囲気一瞬似てたわ笑wwwおじ
garfe
Okay so Yota likes Miki But Miki thinks Koyun and Yota have great chemistry and like each other so she ships them Koyun now knows Yota likes Miki Koyun also thinks Miki might like Minato Minato thinks Koyun and Yota are getting together, which is completely wrong Minato also likes Koyun Am I getting this Gamers! level of misunderstandings right!????
つまり、ヨウタはミキが好き、でもミキはコユンとヨウタが良いコンビだと思って応援してる。コユンはヨウタがミキ好きだと知ってる。コユンはミキがミナトに気があるかもとも思ってる。ミナトはコユンとヨウタがくっつくと思い込んでて、それは完全に間違い。ミナトはコユンのことが好き。これ『ゲーマーズ!』レベルの誤解、合ってるよな!?普通くん
Avatar_Yaksha
Yeah, pretty much. Gamers is a bit more cofusing because it's more of overlapping love triangles, but this appears to be a love circle.
ふむ、その通りだ。『ゲーマーズ!』は交差する恋の三角関係で混沌としていたが、これはまさに運命の輪廻が織りなす恋の円環。我が目に映るは、因果の鎖が紡ぐ究極の愛の陣形なのだ。中二病
Haulbee
This isn't even a love circle, this is just two not-yet-fully-formed-couples where some of them believe that there might be a love triangle
これもう恋愛の輪っかですらないよ。まだ完成してない2組のカップルがいて、その一部のメンバーが三角関係かもって思ってるだけだね。普通くん
eightcheesepizza
Please depict this in graph form, like in [EP6 of another show this season] Kirio Fan Club .
これグラフで見せてほしいッ!今期の別作品のEP6みたいに、キリオファンクラブ方式で!めっちゃそれやりたいんだけど!感情くん
PacPlayz123
but reading this, the graph seems lacking
え、これ読む限りグラフめっちゃ情報足りなくない!?ギャル
eightcheesepizza
Maybe we need something broader than "ships", like "thinks there's something going on between". Then both Miki and Minato think something's going on between Koyun and Yota. And Koyun thinks something's going on between Miki and Minato?
「シップ」より広い概念が必要かもね。「なんかあるんじゃないかと思ってる」みたいな。三木と湊は小雲と陽太の間になんかあると思ってる。で、小雲は三木と湊の間になんかあると思ってるってこと?普通くん
Doomroar
But Miki doesn't likes Minato, she pesters him because she doesn't wants him messing with Koyun
ミキは湊のこと好きなんじゃなくて、小雲にちょっかい出させないために絡んでるだけやろwww2ちゃん
UltraButter11
I ran to do this after watching the episode. glad other people were on the same wavelength. Main reason I put a maybe on Miki liking Minato was cause of her reaction to him and Koyun talking towards the end, though I'm not quite sure what she meant by third wheeling so idk
エピソード見てすぐこれやったわ。同じこと考えてる人がいて嬉しい。ミキが湊のこと好きかもって思ったのは、湊と小雲が話してる時の彼女の反応が理由なんだけど、三人称(サードホイール)って言ってた意味がよくわかんないんだよね。普通くん
eightcheesepizza
A+ drawings
描画がA+すぎるッ!感情くん
kerwinklark26
Obligatory Gamers! reply. I miss that love hexagon LMAO
それな!「ゲーマーズ!」の話マジで懐かしいじゃん!あの恋愛六角形やばくね?笑 マジで恋愛ヘキサゴン好きだったわ〜ギャル
Doomroar
Minato also knows that Yota likes Miki So in this group of 4 3 of them know that Yota likes Miki 2 think that Koyun may like Yota And 1 thinks that Yota likes Koyun So that's 1 person out of the loop (Miki), and 2 misunderstandings (Miki and Minato)
この4人のグループ内での恋愛認識のズレが面白いな。湊は陽太が美姫を好きだと知っている。つまり4人中3人が陽太→美姫の気持ちを把握している状態。そして2人は小雲→陽太の可能性を考え、1人は陽太→小雲だと思っている。結果的にループから外れているのは美姫だけで、誤解しているのは美姫と湊の2人という構造が浮かび上がる。考察くん
Get4LeFt
I wonder how it would actually play out in the end. Since Minato most likely likes Koyun, then Miki would be rejected. The question is does she consider Youta as 2nd option at all or no. If not, we will have 2 singles and a potential love between Minato and Koyun depending on Koyun's feelings.
最終的にどう転ぶか気になるンゴねぇ。ミナトはコユンに気あるっぽいからミキはフラれるやろ。問題はミキがヨウタを第二候補として見てるかどうかやな。見てなかったら2人ともシングルで、コユンの気持ち次第でミナト×コユン成立かもな。2ちゃん
phoenixking99999999
I'm still not fully on board with the idea that miki is into minato, her exact thoughts when she hit minato were that she's being a third wheel, this is in relation to her ship of yota and koyun which she thought she was interrupting. On a side note the yota clumsiness around miki was genuinely a super obvious gimmick and yet it took me until he dropped his phone when she came around to realise.
ミキが湊に気があるという説にはまだ完全に同意できない。彼女が湊を叩いた時の心情は「自分が邪魔してる」というもので、これは彼女が推しているヨタ×コユンカップルの邪魔をしていると自覚したからだ。余談だが、ミキの前でのヨタのドジっぷりは明らかに作為的なギミックだったのに、彼女が来た時にスマホを落とした場面でようやく気づいた。考察くん
bobbyjean_
Pretty soon we're going to need a relationship chart after every episode
毎回のエピソード後に相関図が必要になりそうだね普通くん
Lign_Grant
I AM rewatching Gamers! right now. Such coincidence.
ワイ今まさにゲーマーズ!見直してるンゴwww 偶然すぎて草2ちゃん
Kronman590
First romcom that genuinely produces well written and entertaining misunderstandings
初めてだよ、ロマコメでここまでちゃんと書かれてて面白いすれ違いが起こるのって!最高すぎるッ!感情くん
Still-Neck-6771
This episode was so good. I love them so much. Koyun and Yota omg they are so precious and I love how my girl is trying to play cupid. While Miki believes shes playing cupid 🤣 Minato fumbling socially 🤣 I lowkey need 100 episodes of this show 😭
今回のエピソードめっちゃ良かったな。コユンとヨウタが尊すぎるし、ミキが自分はキューピッドだと思い込んでるのに対してヒロインがそれやろうとしてるの最高🤣 ミナトの空気読めなさも草🤣 このアニメ100話くらい見たいわ😭普通くん
Frontier246
Koyun embracing being a wingwoman like it's the best thing to ever happen to her lol.
コユンが勝手に恋愛アシストしてて草www 本人めっちゃ楽しそうやんw2ちゃん
Zemahem
They're about to have an archery duel with how they're both playing cupid for each other.
お互いにキューピッド役をやってるから、もうすぐアーチェリー対決になりそうだな。普通くん
SEBASTlANVETTEL
Yota likes Miki and Minato likes Koyun and it would be so easy, yet there are so many misunderstandings between the four with Minato and Miki thinking that Koyun and Yota are into each other. Why do I feel like their study session will end up messy LOL
この四角関係、構造としては単純なのに誤解が重なりすぎてるんだよな。湊は小雲と陽太が両想いだと思ってて、美姫も同じ誤解をしてる。つまり、陽太→美姫、湊→小雲という本来のベクトルが完全にクロスした状態で、お互いがお互いの気持ちを読み違えてるわけだ。勉強会、絶対カオスになる未来しか見えないわ(笑)考察くん
Frontier246
We're really into romcom territory with this low-key Gamers! level of misunderstandings, misunderstood intentions, and a crazy love rectangle of romantic interest and shipping the wrong couples.
確かにガマーズ!級のすれ違いと誤解が炸裂してて、もう完全にラブコメの領域だよね。しかも恋愛感情とカップリングがぐちゃぐちゃで、クレイジーな四角関係になってるし。普通くん
lorzore
We're nowhere near gamers! Levels of misunderstanding, or do we need to pull out the pentagram of misunderstanding again? Surprised there are still people that know of that kinda mid show from close to 7 years ago.
「ゲーマーズ!」ほどの誤解のレベルにはまだ達していないな。あるいは、また誤解の五芒星を引っ張り出す必要があるのか?あれから7年近く経つのに、あの中途半端な作品をまだ覚えている人がいるのには驚きだ。考察くん
Throwaway785320
I don't think it's misunderstandings rather assumptions leading to misunderstandings
それな!思い込みが誤解を生むパターンってあるよね〜まじわかるわ笑ギャル
ModieOfTheEast
With the ending of the episode, I doubt we even get to this. I assume the next episode will probably be a return for Miki to her middle school days. Especially with her whole fear of girls talking behind her back.
エピソードの終わり方見ると、そこまでやるか怪しいよね。次回はミキの中学生時代に戻りそうだと思う。特に女の子たちが陰で話してるのを怖がってるあたりがね。普通くん
NationalStrategy
This love square is getting crazy
この恋愛四角形、ヤバすぎるッ!感情くん
eightcheesepizza
This show is the polar opposite of Polar Opposites . ok not really but a little
このアニメ、Polar Oppositesとは真逆って感じだよね!まあそこまでじゃないけどちょっとだけ似てるかも笑ギャル
the_dan_man
It's gonna get messier and sillier before the misunderstandings get resolved, and we'll all be watching with a big ol bucket of popcorn.
誤解が解けるまでどんどんカオスでバカバカしくなっていくね。俺らはポップコーン片手にそれを見守るんだろうな。普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
Miki is probably going to wingwoman Koyuki and Youta, while Koyuki does the same for her lol.
ミキが小雪と陽太の恋を応援しつつ、小雪もミキを応援する感じやろなwww 相思相愛の恋の応援合戦草2ちゃん
ThrowCarp
This is gonna get real messy real fast.
これはすぐにめちゃくちゃになりそうだな。普通くん
thisisdropd
原文
There goes the theory of a love triangle/polygon. Expected Yota to confess about his feelings for Koyuki when he said he’s in love, despite showing no such signs beforehand. Turned out the one he fell for was instead Miki. Bravo! Minato Ponta shouldn’t feel jealous about Koyuki & Yota given he’s always been aware of Koyuki’s crush but I guess the heart could be irrational just like how Yota felt about his family. Meanwhile, Miki’s trying to play cupid to Koyuki & Yota. Looks like it’ll might result in a problem lest someone told her about it.
恋愛三角関係・多角関係説は見事に崩れたな。陽太が恋してるって言った時、これまで兆候なかったのに小雪への気持ちを告白するかと思いきや、まさかのミキに惚れてたンゴwww ブラボー!湊ポン太は小雪の片思いずっと知ってたんだから小雪と陽太に嫉妬する必要ないやろ…でも心って非合理的になるもんやな、陽太が家族に対して感じてたみたいに。一方ミキは小雪と陽太のキューピッド気取ってるけど、誰かが彼女にその話しない限り問題になりそうやな。2ちゃん
imtherealdazza
An author that has a good grasp on social dynamics goes such a long way, Agasawa really knows how to write platonic inter-character relationships
わかるわかる!作者が人間関係わかってるってマジで大事だよね!アガサワ先生の描く友情関係がまじでリアルでやばいんだけど!ギャル
Frontier246
Teens being teens, tripping over themselves, their feelings, their angsts all in realistic, relatable, and yet still fun ways.
思春期あるあるだね。自分たちの気持ちや不安に戸惑いながらも、リアルで共感できて、それでいて楽しい描き方になってると思う。普通くん
PeaceAlien
Haha, everyone is shipping someone else. Minato is the only one being hurt right now; some girls might be looking to cause problems for Miki soon too.
ははっ、みんな勝手にカップリング予想してて草w でも今ツラいのはミナトだけだよね…そろそろミキにも面倒ごと起こそうとしてる女子いそうで怖いんだがッ!感情くん
Frontier246
Man, I hope Miki's classmates aren't going to turn on her because they don't like her natural personality.
ミキのクラスメイトたち、彼女の自然な性格を嫌って敵対しないでほしいなあ。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I mean, Yota being into Miki was quite obvious. He only went to this school so he could be together with Miki after all. The question was more of Koyun had feelings for Yota, but that does not seem to be the case. And it might be for the better. Because once Miki throws away the idea of playing cupid, she might be able to discover her own feelings. And considering we are seemingly going into an arc about the other people finding out her "true self", this does not seem to be too far into the future.
まあヨータがミキに気があるのは明白やったな。そもそもこの学校来たのもミキと一緒にいるためやし。問題はコユンがヨータに気持ちあるかどうかやったけど、それはなさそうやな。そしてそれはむしろ良かったかもな。ミキがキューピッドごっこやめたら自分の気持ちに気づくかもしれへんし。しかも他の連中が彼女の「本当の自分」に気づく編に入りそうやし、そんな遠くない未来の話やろな。2ちゃん
Frontier246
原文
Yota had his "From Zero" moment complete with an "I love Miki" with Koyun responding appropriately. In Ponta Amamiya's favor, not even Yota has made her laugh nearly as much as he has. Even if it's still more about the dog than the guy. It's funny how Koyuki and Miki are trying to ship the other with the same guy. Best friends work in mysterious ways. I feel like Yota would probably help Minato with Koyuki (more than he already has) if he knew Minato liked her.
洋太が「ゼロから」の瞬間を迎えて「ミキが好きだ」って叫んで、小絢がちゃんと反応してたね。雨宮ポン太の方が、洋太よりも彼女を笑わせてるってのが面白い。まだ犬がメインだけどさ。小雪とミキが同じ相手をくっつけようとしてるのも笑える。親友って不思議なもんだな。洋太が湊の気持ち知ってたら、小雪の件で手助けするだろうな。普通くん
ptd163
I feel like Yota would probably help Minato with Koyuki (more than he already has) if he knew Minato liked her. Yota might find out soon. Minator is starting to act the same way around Koyun that he does around Miki. I'm more curious about when Miki finds out that Yota likes her.
この展開、結構考察し甲斐があるな。陽太が湊の小雪に対する気持ちを知ったら、もっと積極的に協力する可能性が高いと思う。湊が小雪の前で見せる態度が、三木といる時のそれと似てきてるのが伏線っぽい。個人的には、三木が陽太の気持ちに気づくタイミングの方が気になるんだよな。考察くん
phoenixking99999999
Problem with minato is that he's still fighting himself about his emotions. He needs to first accept he actually likes her by overcoming his idea about emotions being illogical or causinng problems
ミナトのクソガキ、まだ自分の感情と戦っとるんかよ。まずは「感情は非合理的で問題起こす」っていう自分の考えを乗り越えて、好きって認めろや。ワイはイライラするンゴwww2ちゃん
Kirosh2
原文
Expected Yota to confess about his feelings for Koyuki when he said he’s in love Yeah, that was the build a build up toward that, since you had Koyun enjoy being with him, them have topic there are similar in, and both Minato and Miki's reaction last episode (and this episode) as well. It's like the situation with Minato, where he was build up as an antagonist in Koyun's eyes. Here, it was a Koyun x Yota build up, only to go in another direction.
陽太が恋してるって言った時、小雪への想いを告白するかと思ったよな。確かに、その流れはあった。小雪が陽太との時間を楽しんで、共通の話題もあって、前回(と今回)の湊やミキの反応も考慮するとね。まるで湊が小雪の目に敵役として描かれた状況と同じだ。ここでは小雪×陽太の布石が張られていたのに、別の方向へ進んだんだな。考察くん
Frontier246
The author knew what they were doing...
作者、わかってやってるよな…ッ!感情くん
phoenixking99999999
原文
I think there is a level of misdirection being employed but she never fails to drop hints about her true intentions or more specifically the actual direction the story is going it's why there is little to no negative reaction to being misdirected because the signs are there and we can sometimes subconsciously pick up on them. Maybe I'm just delusional, even now the perception that miki is into minato feels like a misdirection, it could very well be true however no situation I have seen sells it for me as of now, every situation where it could have seemed like jealousy or anything similar can be explained by something else, like trying to protect koyun or trying to further her ship I do like the irony though that just an episode ago koyun thought she and yota were opposites but now she sees they are more similar than they are different, similar circumstances but different ways of expressing their reaction to it. Also when yota said I'm in love it was pretty obvious it was going to be miki, she even gave us an example of the gimmick this episode when he dropped the phone after miki came up behind him, even though it wasn't shown in the flashback. I really like where the series is heading currently, we'll likely get more miki lore next episode. So far we know koyun's family situation and middle school life, yota's family situation, and minato's family dynamic with his brother causing him to think emotions cause fights however I personally don't know how it links or motivates his urge to help people he thinks are lonely, with miki we are aware of some of her middle school life maybe I haven't been paying attention but next episode could shed more light on to why she seemingly carries 2 personas Lastly it seems we inch closer to minato x koyun with each passing moment and as a day 1 supporter I feel vindicated
確かにミスリードはあるけど、彼女は常に本当の意図や物語の方向性のヒントを落としてるんだよね。だからミスリードされても否定的な反応が少ないんだと思う。無意識にサインを拾えてるからかな。ただ俺が思い込みすぎなだけかも。今でもミキがミナトに気があるって描写はミスリードに感じる。嫉妬っぽい場面も、コユンを守ろうとしてるとか別の説明ができるしね。でも面白いのは、前回コユンが自分とヨタは正反対だと思ったのに、今回は似てると気づいたところ。状況は同じでも反応の仕方が違うんだな。ヨタが「恋してる」って言った時、ミキだってすぐ分かったよ。スマホ落とすギミックも伏線だったし。シリーズの今後の展開が楽しみ。次回はミキの過去が明らかになりそうだね。コユンの家庭環境や中学時代、ヨタの家族、ミナトの兄との関係は分かってきたけど、ミキの二面性の理由はまだ謎。そしてミナト×コユンが着実に進んでて、初日から応援してた身としては報われる思いだよ。普通くん
FabtheEmber
Hopefully we will get more Minato backstory once we cross the Miki arc and things between them start to take root. Happy to find a Minato x Koyun supporter. I was pretty much one from the day 1 , and was kinda upset at the first episode because it was hinting Yota. By the second episode I was fairly certain it was my boy Minato.. n got spoiled hehe
ミキ編が終わってミナトとコユンの関係が深まり始めたら、ミナトの過去編ももっと見られるといいな。ミナト×コユン推しに出会えて嬉しいよ。俺は初日からほぼその立場で、1話でヨータとのフラグが立っててちょっと落ち込んでたんだ。でも2話で確信したよ、やっぱミナトだってな…あ、ネタバレ食らっちゃったけどね(笑)考察くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Truly “Polar Opposites “ 😉
まさに「正反対の存在」って感じだね😉普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
I thought they were going to be the main couple and I actually really liked them as a pair. I'll have to rewire them as a platonic ship in my mind.
マジで!?この2人がメインカップルだと思ってたんだけど!めっちゃいいコンビだと思ったのに〜笑 でもまあ、私の中で友情カップルってことで脳内変換しとくわ!ギャル
xdxdlol0434
Koyun is very honest with people who she deems inside her circle, acting as a very good friend and giving actually very good advice to people. She seriously has a heart of gold and I hope it gets realized as such. Their approach is different and makes all the difference, but there is similarity in what she's doing and what Minato believes he's doing.
小結は自分の内側に入れた人にはすごく誠実で、すごく良い友達として振る舞って実際にいいアドバイスもするんだよね。本当に心が黄金みたいな人だと思うし、そう認識されてほしいな。アプローチの仕方は違うけど、やってることはミナトが信じてやってることと似てる部分があると思う。普通くん
Frontier246
原文
Their approach is different and makes all the difference, but there is similarity in what she's doing and what Minato believes he's doing. We talk about Polar Opposites but there's also a lot of similarities between our casts. Koyun and Minato both get stuck in their own heads and have trouble expressing themselves (even if Minato hides it better with social skills) and both ultimately want to help others in their own way.
彼らのアプローチは異なるからこそ効果を生んでいるが、彼女の行動と湊が成し遂げようとしていることには共通点がある。よく「正反対」と言われるが、実はキャスト間にも多くの類似点が存在する。小雲と湊はどちらも自分の思考に囚われやすく、自己表現に苦労している(湊は社交スキルでそれを隠すのが上手いが)。そして最終的には、それぞれの方法で他者を助けたいと願っている点も共通している——この構造、制作陣が意図的に対比させているとしか思えない。考察くん
LeonKevlar
原文
If I had a nickel for every main character this season whose parents' divorce caused them some sort of emotional trauma that makes it difficult for them to connect with other people , I'd have two nickels. It's not much, but it's weird that it happened twice. Yep, there it is. That's the final nail in the coffin of my Koyun x Youta ship. I mean, I saw it coming, but I was being delulu about the two of them possibly getting together. Then again, I do love seeing a healthy platonic boy-girl relationship so I'm not that sad about it. I am happy that Youta finally realized that he always belonged in the family, and he's just been overthinking things. I mean, it's one thing if his stepmother and step-siblings were treating him badly, but they're all good people who care about him. Glad to see Youta can now see that and appreciate them properly.
今期の主人公で親の離婚がトラウマになって他人と距離置いちゃうパターン、2人もいて笑う。別に大した話じゃないけどなんか奇妙だよな。ああ、やっぱりこうなるか。コユン×ヨウタのカップリングは完全に終わったわ。予想はしてたけど、2人がくっつくって夢見てたんだよね。でも健全な男女の友情関係も好きだからそこまで悲しくない。何よりヨウタがようやく自分は家族の一員だって気づいて、考えすぎだったって理解できたのが嬉しい。義母や義きょうだいが酷くしてたら別だけど、みんな良い人でちゃんと気にかけてくれてるしね。ヨウタがそれを受け入れて感謝できるようになって良かった。普通くん
Frontier246
原文
If I had a nickel for every main character this season whose parents' divorce caused them some sort of emotional trauma that makes it difficult for them to connect with other people , I'd have two nickels. It's not much, but it's weird that it happened twice. Not to mention having feelings for a popular short-haired girl at the school. Yep, there it is. That's the final nail in the coffin of my Koyun x Youta ship. I mean, I saw it coming, but I was being delulu about the two of them possibly getting together. Then again, I do love seeing a healthy platonic boy-girl relationship so I'm not that sad about it. Silver lining, if Koichi Agasawa could make this platonic friendship so investing, imagine how great the legit romance will be when we finally get to it! I am happy that Youta finally realized that he always belonged in the family, and he's just been overthinking things. I mean, it's one thing if his stepmother and step-siblings were treating him badly, but they're all good people who care about him. Glad to see Youta can now see that and appreciate them properly. Even the fact that the parents were taking away his chance to play with his half-siblings, it wasn't trying to exclude him but because they didn't want to inconvenience him with having to keep up with two rambunctious little kids when he's got high school problems to worry about.
今期の主人公で両親の離婚が原因で他人との関係構築に苦労してるキャラが2人もいるのは興味深いな。しかもどちらも学校の人気ショートヘア女子に惹かれる展開。このパターンを見る限り、小雲×陽太のカップリングは完全に絶望的だな。まあ予想はしてたけど、勝手に妄想してた自分がいたのも事実。とはいえ、健全な男女のプラトニックな関係を描くのは好きだから、そこまで悲観はしてない。逆に考えれば、浅川航一郎がこうした友情関係をここまで魅力的に描けるなら、本格的な恋愛描写が来た時の破壊力は計り知れない。 陽太がようやく自分は家族の一員であると気づけたのは良かった。ずっと考えすぎてただけなんだよな。継母や義理の兄弟が彼を悪く扱ってるなら話は別だが、実際は全員彼を気にかけてくれる良い人たちだ。両親が異母兄弟と遊ぶ機会を奪ってたように見えた行為も、実は高校生の悩みがある陽太にやんちゃな小さい子たちの相手をさせて負担をかけたくなかったからだという真相も腑に落ちる。考察くん
Zemahem
RIP the Koyun x Youta ship o7. It would've cute, but their friendship isn't any less cute. Unfortunately, the news about the ship sinking still hasn't reached the two people who should probably know about it the most lol.
こゆん×陽太のカップルはお疲れ様でしたって感じだねo7。普通にかわいかったけど、友情も変わらずかわいいよ。でも、一番知るべき当人たちにまだカップル終わったって情報が届いてないのが笑えるわ。普通くん
ElliotAlderson2024
So many other anime have the step-mom be a total villain to the step-son/daughter.
まじでそれ!他のアニメだと継母って基本悪役じゃん?でもこの作品は違うから新鮮すぎる!ギャル
hikoboshi_sama
This episode made me realize, this story isn't just about Koyun. It's an ensemble cast with each of the four MCs have their own problems, with each of them supporting each other.
このエピソード見て気づいたんだけど、この物語ってコユンだけの話じゃないんだね。4人のメインキャラそれぞれに問題があって、お互い支え合ってるアンサンブルキャストなんだな。普通くん
CooroSnowFox
There is alot more ice walls then just around the main... they all have them
「氷の城壁、メインの周りだけじゃなくて全部にあるんだ…!それ多すぎるッ!」感情くん
ElliotAlderson2024
RAMPARTS OF ICE
氷の城壁か…あの世界観と緊張感がたまらないよね。普通くん
YamahaMio
Man, Koyun is just so pretty. Don't think I've been smitten over a female lead character in a long while ngl.
コユン、マジで美しすぎるッ!正直、久しぶりにヒロインにこんなに惹かれたわ。無理、優勝。感情くん
Frontier246
That is one of the most infectious laughs/smiles I've ever seen.
やばくね!?あの笑顔マジでやばいっしょ!こっちまで笑顔になっちゃうんだけど笑ギャル
Grazalia
原文
I find the art style of Kocha Agasawa to be really interesting in that the characters have distinctively wide eyes and mouths that remind me of sharks for some reason but then that's what makes them so visually distinct. It also creates really pretty faces when they smile. It puts a huge emphasis on smiling with not only the wide mouth but how the eyes smile too. It's a really distinctive simple but beautiful art style.
コチャ・アガサワの作画スタイルについて考察すると、キャラクターの大きく見開かれた目と口が、なぜか鮫を連想させる独特のデザインになっている点が興味深い。その特徴が視覚的な個性を生み出しているんだよね。特に笑顔の描写が秀逸で、大きな口だけでなく目元まで笑っている表現にこだわりが感じられる。シンプルながら美しい、非常に個性的な画風だという考察ができる。考察くん
EclipseTM
I absolutely love the ED but everytime it starts playing i feel like everything is about to go to shit, the start of the song is so ominous. Having said that, I think we are going to be getting into some drama in regards to who likes who, and the girls in the end talking about miki.
EDめっちゃ好きやねんけど、曲流れ出すたびに「なんかヤバいこと起こるンゴ…」ってなるわ。特に冒頭の不気味さがガチで草。まあその分、恋愛関係のゴタゴタとか、最後に女子たちがミキの話する展開になりそうやな。2ちゃん
CooroSnowFox
I wish there was a version of the ED that has the slow piano leading to that build up with the base and the faster piano playing
EDの、ゆっくりしたピアノからベースの盛り上がりと速いピアノに繋がるバージョンがあったらいいのにな普通くん
Ikari_21
That end made no sense to me lol “oh my goodness has miki always smiled and had fun ugh” like wtf does that even matter for. The whole image trope always annoys me in anime, but it does feels good once the person is free from that fake persona
あの結末、俺にはまったく意味がわからなかったわ。「え、ミキってずっと笑ったり楽しんだりしてたの?」って感じで、それが何の関係あるんだよっていう。アニメにおける「イメージ固定」のテンプレートにはいつもイライラさせられるけど、でもあの偽りの仮面から解放された瞬間は確かに気持ちいいんだよな。考察くん
Shadow_Ass
Holy mother of misunderstandings lol. This was such a cute episode tho
誤解の連続で笑ったわ。でもすごく可愛い話だったね普通くん
Kirosh2
It's a drama after all. But might also explain why You and I are polar opposite is so straightforward, and without drama.
やっぱりドラマだったんだな……でも逆に『ユーとアイは正反対』があそこまでストレートでドラマチックじゃない理由も説明できてる気がする。しんどい……感情くん
ptd163
Turns out that Polar Opposites might have be the polar opposite of Ramparts of Ice... Sorry.
どうやらPolar Oppositesは氷の城壁の真逆ってことか…すまん、ダジャレやで2ちゃん
Solracziad
Maybe the true Ramparts of Ice were the Polar Opposites we met along the way?
「本当の氷の城壁って、もしかして旅の途中で出会ったポーラー・オポジットたちのことだったのかも?」って感じだね。普通くん
CooroSnowFox
I do think Honda in Polar is maybe the hangover from this series... she does have this closed off nature that could be around similar lines Also might explain why everything is hyper-simple as its the blow off to this story?
草、ポーラーの本田はこのシリーズの二日酔いみたいなもんかもな…あの閉鎖的な性格、似たようなラインやしな。全てが超シンプルなのも、この話のケリつけって感じか?2ちゃん
Kirosh2
原文
My poor depressed daughter... At least she's got a bit better, and will only get better with Miki, Yota, and Minato by her side. Look at her seeing and immediately helping Yota once she realized his depression, similar to her own issues back in middle school. Good luck Yota, Miki ships you with Koyun, your crush is a long way away, but who can blame Miki, they do look cute together, even if just as friends. And Minato catching the stray bullet by Koyun wanting to give Yota and Miki time alone, and being alone with him.
うちの不憫な娘…でも少しはマシになってきたな。ミキ、ヨウタ、ミナトがそばにいるからもっと良くなるはず。ヨウタの鬱に気づいてすぐ助けに入る姿、中学の頃の自分と重なるんだろうな。頑張れヨウタ、ミキはお前とコユンを推してるぞ。恋路は長そうだけど、ミキの気持ちも分かるよ。たとえ友達としてでも、二人は可愛く見えるからな。そしてミナト、コユンがヨウタとミキの時間を作ろうとして巻き添えくらってるの笑う。普通くん
Frontier246
If I had a nickel for every romance lead this season dealing with the aftermath of a divorce, I'd have two nickels which isn't a lot but it's strange it happened twice. I feel like the best thing to ever happen to Minato is Koyun shipping MikixYota and using Minato as an excuse to leave her new favorite ship alone. Also the fact that Koyun loves hearing anything about his dog.
今期の恋愛アニメで離婚後の話を扱っている作品が2つもあるのは偶然とは思えない。制作陣が意図的にこのテーマを選んだという考察ができる。湊にとって一番良かったのは、小鳩がミキ×陽太を推す口実に湊を使い、新たな推しカプを邪魔されないようにしたことだな。さらに小鳩が自分の犬の話を聞くのが好きな点も伏線として機能している。考察くん
the_dan_man
They will all fix each other, somehow. There will probably be a lot of scenic detours along the way, though.
みんななんとかお互いを直していくんだろうな。ただ、そこにたどり着くまでには景色のいい遠回りがたくさんありそうだけどね。普通くん
mobpiecedunchaindan
OK SO CURRENT RELATIONSHIP CHART: yokun-yota (strictly platonic, everyone thinks they're gonna get together) yota-miki (currently one-sided) minato-yokun (currently one-sided)
わかった現在の関係図: - ヨークン↔ヨタ(完全にプラトニック、みんなくっつくと思ってる) - ヨタ↔ミキ(今は片思い) - ミナト↔ヨークン(今は片思い) これエモすぎるッ!誰か報われてくれよ泣く感情くん
SirGigglesandLaughs
Two dudes, down bad. Two girls, shipping.
二人の男、落ち込んでる。二人の女、推してる。普通くん
Frontier246
ponta-yokun (main reason she talks to minato at this point)
草、現時点で湊と話す理由それだけかよワロタwww2ちゃん
Kirosh2
That's how he's going to get her. "Want to see more pictures?" "Want to see my dog?" "Want to go on dates while we walk my dog?" "Koyun, why are you stealing my dog?" "How about it. We get married, this way we have co ownership of my dog? It's a good deal right?"
なるほど、そうやって彼女を落とすのか。「写真もっと見る?」「うちの犬見たい?」「犬の散歩がてらデートしない?」「小雲、なんで俺の犬盗むんだよ」「じゃあさ、結婚して共同所有者にならない?結構お得だと思うんだけど」って感じか。普通くん
Miserable_Contest_74
"What do you mean you want a divorce?" "And you are taking the dog???" "It's in the prenup? WHEN DID WE SIGN A PRENUP."
「は?離婚ってどういうこと?」「しかも犬連れてくの!?」「婚前契約書に書いてある?いつそんなもんサインしたんだよッ!」感情くん
Kirosh2
Also : Minato-Miki (Platonic, but Koyun did think that she was into him at some point.)
それな。湊とミキはプラトニックな関係だけど、コユンは一時期ミキが自分に気があると思ってたんだよね。普通くん
Didavi_
Loving the anime pacing to allow the characters to properly develop. I hope it will get a full adaptation. I can't handle the torture of a possible season finale cliffhanger. I can deal with separate cour tho, as long as everything is adapted.
キャラの成長描くための丁寧なペース配分ガチで好きやわ フルアニメ化してほしいンゴ… 最終回でクリフハンガーされたら心臓もたんわ 分割2クールでもええから全部やってくれ頼む2ちゃん
some_jackass_i_know
Having read the whole thing, and without spoiling anything, it seems like it would be difficult to stop halfway through without a pretty irritating cliffhanger. Like it would feel like they stopped right in the middle of the plot. MAL doesn't seem to know how many episodes there are, would be nice if they just went for 24 episodes.
全部読んだけど、ネタバレなしで言うと、途中で止めるのは結構イライラする終わり方になりそうだね。ちょうど話の真ん中で終わった感じがする。MALも全何話か分かってないみたいだし、24話で一気にやってくれたら良かったのに。普通くん
bobbyjean_
A leaker says it's going to be 14 sadly
えっマジで!?14話とか少なすぎじゃない!?やばくね!?ギャル
some_jackass_i_know
That's too bad. Weird too, there isn't enough material for another season then...
それは残念だね。変な話だけど、もう1シーズン分の原作がないってことか…普通くん
FabtheEmber
If it stops where I think it will there could be another 10 episode season like they did with Frieren. U could even stretch stuff to 12
やばくない!?俺が思ってる場所で終わるなら、『葬送のフリーレン』みたいにまた10話のシーズン来るかもじゃん!もっと伸ばして12話にすることも余裕でできるし!ギャル
ClemFire
Why do I kinda feel like it will stop at a middle point similar to Bloom into You, either way I'll have to read the manga
確かに「やがて君になる」みたいに中途半端なとこで終わりそうな気がする…どっちにしろ漫画読まなきゃな感情くん
NanDemoKnaives
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This is probably my favorite episode, I really enjoyed this look into Youta, but I also really liked how Koyuki realized what Youta's words might have meant and took steps to help him out, which ended up opening a door him to feel comfortable to talk to her about it. The way she could relate to what he was going through and knew what to say to dispel the soot in his heart was moving, it was pleasing to watch.  I was quite off with some of my predictions of what Youta was going through, but some of it I got right. It was interesting to see how his perspective changed completely after meeting with Koyuki, he realized he may have been the issue as to why he felt like he didn't fit in, and I hope he'll no longer be stressed by the noise in his head.  I do have to admit I'm quite surprised by the reveal of Youta having feelings for Miki. I honestly thought Youta and Koyuki were going to be the main couple while Miki would be into Youta and Minato into Koyuki. It's funny how Miki and Minato have the wrong impression, so it feels like we'll be seeing some good and bad misunderstandings.  Looks like we'll finally be getting a Miki focused episode. It seems like her school persona is going to be brought into question, I'm curious to see how that'll be navigated.
このエピソードが一番好きかも。陽太の内面がよく描かれてて良かったし、小雪が陽太の言葉の意味に気づいて助けようとした流れも好きだな。彼女が陽太の状況に共感して、心の煤を払う言葉をかけるシーンは感動的で見てて気持ち良かった。陽太の悩みの予想は結構外れたけど、一部は当たってた。小雪と会ってから彼の視点が完全に変わったのが興味深くて、自分が馴染めない原因に気づいたみたい。もう頭の中のノイズに悩まされないといいな。 陽太が美季に恋愛感情を持ってたのは正直驚いた。てっきり陽太×小雪がメインで、美季は陽太に片思い、湊は小雪に片思いだと思ってたから。美季と湊が誤解してるのが面白くて、良い意味でも悪い意味でもすれ違いが起きそうだな。 いよいよ美季メインのエピソードか。学校での彼女の仮面がテーマになりそうで、どう展開するか楽しみ。普通くん
hikoboshi_sama
I'm glad Yota likes Miki instead of Koyun. I prefer them as friends, especially since Yota is Koyun's first real friend aside from Miki.
ワイもユータが紅雲じゃなくてミキを選んでくれて嬉しいわ。紅雲にとってミキ以外で初めてのリアル友達やし、2人は友達のままの方がええンゴwww2ちゃん
PerfectBeige
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I'm just going to glaze Agasawa for a mo. We got: a plausible and charming platonic girl/boy relationship which is intimate and mutually supportive; plausible, realistic, but not overblown familial alienation from Youta; Koyun becoming more adorable by the episode as she learns to leverage her overthinking for good instead of self-destruction; the Koyun crying because of emotional overflowing thing which is so real... I just don't know a lot of authors who make characters that feel simultaneously damaged, realistic, and loveable this well. As much as I am loving this show (and Polar Opposites), I'm really looking forward to reading the manga.
ちょっと阿賀沢について語らせて。魅力的で自然な男女のプラトニックな関係、陽太の家族との確執(大げさじゃなくリアル)、小雲が毎回可愛くなって考えすぎを自己破壊じゃなくいい方向に活かすようになってるのとか、感情が溢れて泣くシーンがめっちゃリアル…傷ついててリアルで愛せるキャラをここまで描ける作者ってあんま知らないわ。このアニメ(氷の城壁も)めっちゃ好きだけど、原作も読むのが楽しみ。普通くん
Marbx
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Love love love it!!! So messy in all the right ways. The dynamic between the four is so interesting. Such a high school thing to assume two close friends of the opposite gender that they're dating or something LOL. Can't wait to see how this develops Very realistic portrayals of having divorced parents and a stepmom. You can't really blame Yota for feeling isolated in his home, being "alone" with a step-parent and your stepsiblings. His family seems nice as well. Idk if it's a hot take but this show is so much better than Polar Opposites. But I also love that show. Author's great!
めっちゃ好きやわwww ごちゃついてる感じが逆に最高やん!4人の関係性がガチで面白い。異性の仲良い友達見て「付き合ってるんちゃう?」って決めつけるの、まさに高校生あるあるやな草。離婚した親と継母の描写もめっちゃリアル。義理の家族と「ひとりぼっち」感抱える陽太の気持ち、分かりすぎて辛いわ。向こうの家族も悪くなさそうやしな。Polar Oppositesよりこっちの方が好きやけど、あっちも好きやで。作者さん神やな!2ちゃん
ILikeFPS
I dunno if it's a hot take, both shows are pretty great tbh, I could see someone preferring either one over the other. I probably like Polar Opposites a little bit better but this one is excellent too.
この2作品、どちらもかなり優れていると思う。どっちが上か好みが分かれるのも理解できる。個人的には『Polar Opposites』の方がやや好みだが、こちらも素晴らしいクオリティだ。両者を比較すると、演出面やテーマの深さに差があるように感じられるが、どちらも制作陣のこだわりが感じられる良作だな。考察くん
thatonefatefan
This anime is low-key evil. It's like a hostage situation, why are they giving us so many Minato/Miki crumbs like that? I hate it. I hate how much I love it.
このアニメ、地味に悪質だよ。まるで人質状態じゃん。なんでミナトとミキの甘いシーンをあんなにちょっとずつしか出さないんだよ。嫌い。好きすぎて自分が嫌になる。普通くん
Kirosh2
You can't have a square friendship/love without crumbs for every sides. Each side are cute, and have their good points.
せやな、どの組み合わせにもちゃんと萌え要素があるンゴなwww どのカップリングも可愛いし、それぞれに良さがあるわ。草2ちゃん
thatonefatefan
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My issue is that I would hardly call this a love square. It's just 2 boys in love and a bunch of misunderstandings. From what I'm seeing Miki doesn't have feelings for Minato and Koyun definitively doesn't have feelings for Yota. I know the endgame (and caught it all in episode 1, honestly) and know it's essentially guaranteed to happen but I can't help but find Minato and Miki cute together. It's frustrating.
これは恋愛四角形っていうほどじゃない気がするんだよね。ただの2人の男の子の恋と誤解の連続だと思う。MikiはMinatoに気がないし、KoyunもYotaに全然興味なさそうだし。最終的な結末は分かってる(正直1話で察した)けど、MinatoとMikiの組み合わせが可愛く見えちゃって、もどかしいんだよな。普通くん
Frontier246
Ultimately Koyun saw Yota as a reassuring and warm balm for her emotionally weary heart...but not in a romantic way.
結局こゆんにとって陽太は、疲れた心にとっての安心できる温かい癒しだったんだよな…でも恋愛感情じゃなくてね。しんどいッ!この関係性エモすぎる…感情くん
thatonefatefan
Yeah, it doesn't get much more obvious than her genuinely rooting for him with Miki. Until now, there was at least some room for change, but where do you even go from here? If it was gonna be like that, a straight line from the start like the author did with the ships in you and I are polar opposites would've been a lot less frustrating.
確かに、彼女がミキとの関係を心から応援している描写は、これ以上ないほど明確だよな。これまではまだ変化の余地があったけど、ここから先どう展開するんだろうな。もしそういう方向性なら、『君と僕は正反対』の作者がやったように、最初から一直線の恋愛線を引いた方が、ずっとフラストレーションが溜まらなかったんじゃないかという考察ができる。考察くん
FabtheEmber
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I don't know even last episode there was the hint of her thinking of her dad with Yota, Yota never showing any romantic feelings, Miki wanting pure friendship with Minato. It was all there. This show is actually building both platonic and romantic relationships. Miki and Minato have a super adorable platonic relationship like Yota n Koyun. Unlike Polar opposites we don't ever see why Suzuki or how she became close friends with Yamada or Taira. Their friendships don't really have a personal touch so it was easy to do Here we can literally personalize each of the relationship combos in this group of 4. Without a buildup, that would never be possible
前回のエピソードでも、ミキがヨタと一緒に父親を思い出す描写や、ヨタが恋愛感情を見せないこと、ミキがミナトとの純粋な友情を望んでいたこと、全部ちゃんと伏線あったよね。この作品は友情も恋愛も丁寧に描いてるんだな。ミキとミナトの関係はヨタとコユンのように超可愛い友情だし。極端な例と違って、スズキやヤマダ、タイラとの友情にはパーソナルなタッチがないから、この4人の関係はそれぞれ個別に深められてて良いと思う。積み重ねなしには絶対できないよ。普通くん
Ok-Cod5254
Haha I also said last episode that it was lowkey diabolical to have two characters in universe (including Miki as the one that is most likely ending up with Yota in the long run), promote the Yota-Koyuki ship that isn't happening. lol Though Yota seems like the type that could work well with either one.
草、前回の話でもワイ「これは卑怯やろ」って思ってたンゴwww ユニバース内で2キャラ(長期的にはミキがヨタとくっつきそうな筆頭やのに)がヨタ×コユキ推しとかガチでありえへんやんwww まあヨタはどっちとも相性良さそうやけどな2ちゃん
Frontier246
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Yota returns home to his overly-considerate and concerned stepmom and also his rowdy little siblings who have already pretty much run his dad ragged. It's the picture of a lively and warm family...even if Yota has to basically tune out and empty his mind of everything as he goes to sleep. Koyuki's parents fought, she knew that they weren't the most happy couple, but the news of them divorcing still hit like a brick. That assurance that she'd always have her parents in her life, that her dad would always be there for her, basically went out the window. Effectively abandoned by her dad, left with no one who really understood her, thinking she didn't even need to exist because no one wanted her...all she could do was feel such crippling loneliness no matter who she was with. That's why, if anyone can understand or relate to Yota on any level, it's her. Even if it's projecting her own ideals and thoughts onto him, she wants to give him the chance to open up. If she tells him her story, he can tell her his! As for Yota himself, growing up was rough with his dad being busy all the time when he already lost one parent...and then his dad brought home a pretty young wife. And after some initial awkwardness, they actually got along! And then the twins were born and Yota saw how much his dad and stepmom doted on and took care of the kids, making him feel extremely out of place in the household and making him wonder if he even truly existed. But Koyun is able to tell him that his feelings are valid while telling him all the things she's probably wanted to say to herself, all the while expressing how she feels he's a great person. And Yota feels the same about her. My condolences to any KoyunxYota shippers...because Yota is actually in love with Miki (and the signs were all there with all the times he acted like a klutz around her). And Koyun, for her part, actually ships it and does a little happy dance. Yota may not have any intention of telling Miki how he feels, especially knowing she doesn't return his feelings, but he shouldn't feel bad for having those feelings! Especially when Koyun totally supports a great guy like him who can appreciate Miki for who she really is. And in the interest of being a wingwoman, she'll leave Miki and Yota to herself while she talks to...Minato! And apparently anything related to Ponta is an easy way to get Koyuki to laugh and be interested, and what a laugh she has! And saying Minato's name casually definitely had an effect too! Koyun ships YotaxMiki, Miki doesn't want Minato hogging Koyun, Miki is planning to ship YotaxKoyun, and Minato thinks KoyunxYota is happening. Yeah, this next four-way study session is going to be FUN. Also, Miki's other friends notice her being her real self...please let there be no drama!
陽太が帰宅すると、過保護な義母と騒がしい弟妹たちが父親を疲れさせてたんだよな。賑やかで温かい家庭の光景…ただ陽太は寝るときに全てをシャットアウトしてるけどさ。小雪の両親は喧嘩が絶えなくて、幸せな夫婦じゃないって分かってたけど、離婚の知らせはやっぱり衝撃的だったんだろうな。父親に捨てられて、誰も理解してくれなくて、自分なんていらないと思い込む孤独感…だからこそ、陽太を理解できるのは彼女だけなんだよ。自分の理想を投影してるかもしれないけど、彼に心を開くチャンスを与えたいんだ。自分の話をすれば、彼も話してくれるって信じて。 陽太の方は、片親を失ってる時に父親が忙しくて、さらに若い義母が来て…最初は気まずかったけど、実はうまくやってたんだよな。でも双子が生まれて、親が子供たちに夢中になるのを見て、自分はこの家に居場所がないって感じてた。そんな彼に小雪は「君の気持ちは間違ってない」って伝えて、自分に言いたかったことを全部話しながら、陽太が素晴らしい人間だって伝えるんだ。陽太も同じ気持ちだよ。 小雪×陽太派には申し訳ないけど…陽太は実はミキに恋してるんだよな(周りでドジるシーンが伏線だった)。小雪はそれを応援して、嬉しそうに踊ってるし。陽太はミキに気持ちを伝えるつもりはないけど、その感情自体は悪普通くん
zool714
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Why does this love triangle/polygon feel so wholesome ? Well, we at least got verbal confirmation now. Yota has been crushing hard on Miki. Think they’d look cute together. Both seem cool, calm and collected to other people but underneath they’re a mess of nerves and energy Koyun warming up to Minato too. To the shock of Miki of course. I am very interested now how they grow closer from here. Still feel Minato, while liking her, will be extra cautious not to step on her feet again. If Koyun tries to get closer will he reciprocate or back off
この恋愛ポリゴンがここまで健全に感じられるのはなぜか。少なくとも口頭での確認は取れたな。陽太はずっとミキに片思いしていたわけだ。二人は並ぶと可愛いと思う。どちらも他人にはクールで落ち着いて見えるが、内面は緊張とエネルギーでぐちゃぐちゃという共通点がある。小雲が湊に心を開きつつあるのも興味深い。もちろんミキは驚いているが。ここからどう距離を縮めていくのか非常に気になる。湊は彼女に好意を持ちつつも、二度と同じ過ちを犯さないよう慎重になるだろう。小雲が近づこうとした時、彼はそれを受け入れるのか、それとも身を引くのか――その選択が今後の伏線になりそうだ。考察くん
FarCritical
That dance lmao. The peace of mind from talking about stuff with Koyun was one thing but Yota's family couldn't have timed his welcome home any better or made it any warmer. That ice cream must've tasted extra good.
あのダンスww コユンと話して心が軽くなったのもあるけど、ヨータの家族の「おかえり」のタイミングと温かさが完璧すぎたな。あのアイスクリーム、すごく美味しかっただろうね。普通くん
BaytaCosmico
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Koyun and Yota's friendship is so precious. That scene at the station where he says I'm so glad you're my friend and she returns the sentiment melted me when I read it and did the same again when I saw it animated. Rooting for their friendship more than I root for most romantic ships tbh. The smile guard scene too is perfect. Miki getting all excited while Minato gets all depressed upon seeing their camaraderie is so funny. It's so cute how both Miki and Koyun are happy to ship Yota with the other. Poor Minato though - no one wants him for themselves or their friend lol. At least Yota loves him even if he won't admit it.
小陽と陽太の友情エモすぎやろ… 駅で「友達でいてくれてありがとう」って言い合うシーン、原作でも泣いたけどアニメでもうたわ ワイは大抵の恋愛カップルよりこの友情応援してるわ 笑顔ガードのシーンも最高やん 三木がはしゃいで港が落ち込む対比、草生える 三木も小陽も陽太を推してんの可愛いな でも港は誰にも推されなくて草 陽太は認めないけど港のこと好きやんwww2ちゃん
vexorian2
Oh god. It finally all makes sense. It was 7 episodes of setup but we finally have the juiciest Romcom situation of the decade. Koyun: Doesn't like thinking about Romance. Ships Yota* and Miki Miki: Ships Koyun and Yota Minato: In love with Koyun. Thinks Yota and Koyun are dating. Yota: In Love with Miki. This is incredible. *Edited
ああもう、やっと全部繋がったわ。7話も伏線張ってたけど、ついにここ数年で一番おいしいラブコメ展開が来たじゃん。 - 小雲:恋愛考えるの嫌い。陽太×美紀を推してる - 美紀:小雲×陽太を推してる - 湊:小雲に片思い。陽太と小雲が付き合ってると思ってる - 陽太:美紀に恋してる これヤバすぎるわ。普通くん
runevault
I think you meant Koyun ships Yota and Miki, but yeah this is going to be a mess and I'm here for it.
せやな、コユンはヨウタとミキを推してるって意味やろ?でもこれ絶対カオスになるやんwwwワイはそれを見に来たンゴ2ちゃん
Ok-Cod5254
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The dynamic between Yota and Koyuki is so good, even just as friends they have such good chemistry whether in serious or comedic moments. Koyuki seems to be more open to socializing since she formed her friendship with Yota, even more willing to talk to Minato. I'm glad we finally got more into Yota's character as an individual. He's always been a supportive guy so far, so nice for him to receive some support as well.
陽太と小雪の関係性は本当に秀逸だな。友人関係としても、シリアスな場面でもコメディな場面でも相性が抜群に良い。小雪は陽太と友情を築いてから社交的になり、湊とも積極的に話すようになったように見える。陽太個人の内面描写がようやく深掘りされたのも良いポイントだ。これまで彼は一貫して支える側だったから、彼自身が支えられる展開が来たのは伏線の回収とも言える。考察くん
ILikeFPS
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Damn, her saying that she was someone her dad could live without. Fuck, that cuts deep, I can relate to that. This is the most an anime has spoken to me in a while. People bullying her makes me so mad. I thought Koyuki and Yota would have been good together, but I think Miki and Yota might be good together since they really are like opposites (polar opposites, even). Same with Youki and Minato. This was a great episode.
父親に『お前なんて生きててもいなくても同じ』って言われたってセリフ…あれガチで刺さるわ。ワイも経験あるンゴ…久々にアニメでここまで心揺さぶられたわ。 いじめクソすぎてキレそう。 ・小雪×陽太はいいと思ったけど、ミキ×陽太もアリやな。正反対やしな(文字通り極性違いやけど) ・陽希×湊も同じく。 今回の話マジで神回やったわ。2ちゃん
Zeallfnonex
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The introspection at the beginning was so good, definitely the highlight of a pretty fantastic episode. The amount of self-doubt and hit to your self-worth that would be should be crazy. Can't say I understand it as personally as someone with divorced parents, but the part about feeling the most alone when surrounded by people was a great insight. In some of my more melancholic moods I've wondered sometimes, in a large group of friends, whether if I just... stopped showing up... would anyone care about that? Was I wanted, or merely tolerated? Yeah, great bits there.
冒頭の内省パートがめちゃくちゃ良かったな。今回のエピソードで一番の見どころだったと思う。自己不信とか自己肯定感が削られる感じ、めちゃくちゃヤバそうだよね。両親が離婚してる人ほどリアルに理解はできないけど、人に囲まれてる時に一番孤独を感じるって描写はすごく共感できた。自分も憂鬱な時はよく考えるんだよ、友達の集まりで急に自分がいなくなったら誰か気にしてくれるのかなって。求められてるのか、ただ我慢されてるだけなのかってね。うん、あの部分は本当に良かった。普通くん
FabtheEmber
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Honestly, I think a lot of shows handle the things this show handles but I have never seen a show that could vocalize the grief in such powerful words. Like the line that 'To her father she felt like she was someone he could live without' like I have never felt that way but those words hit so hard. I almost broke down. There are some truly powerful lines in this show with pretty much every characters inner monologue. Like I liked Minato's monologue that what is the right answer for her and me are totally different that is why she hates whatever I try to do. And Koyun repeated that sentiment in this episode!!
この作品が扱うテーマ自体は他の作品でもよく見かけるが、ここまで喪失の悲しみを強力な言葉で言語化できる作品は初めてだ。例えば「父親にとって自分は、いなくても生きていける存在だった」というセリフ。自分はその感覚を持ったことはないが、その言葉の重みに心を打たれた。涙が出そうになった。この作品には、ほぼ全てのキャラクターの内面独白に本当に力強いセリフが散りばめられている。湊の「彼女にとっての正解と自分にとっての正解は全く違うから、彼女は自分のやること全てを嫌うんだ」という独白も良かった。そして今回、小結がその感覚を繰り返していた!考察くん
hikoboshi_sama
I can't exactly blame Yota for feeling like he's unwanted. His dad couldn't make time for him and suddenly, now that he has a new wife and new kids on the way, he can?
確かにヨータが自分は必要とされてないって感じるのもわかるよな。父親は今まで全然時間作ってくれなかったのに、新しい妻と子供ができると急に時間を作れるようになるって、そりゃ複雑だよね。普通くん
sawayanochizu5
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I think its more like, the dad wasn't able to take off because his job didn't allow him to. iirc we only really see him get paternity leave specifically for the birth of the twins, which is obviously a circumstance where companies are more inclined to give off days. for all we know, he may have done so for yota's birth too. and from his step mom's reaction, it seems it was hard to even get that. ofc this doesn't negate any of yota's feelings. he was only a child going through something difficult when all this happened. he is totally valid and were i in his situation, I would totally feel the same. but I think the story does a good job of showing that your feelings are always valid and important, but by bottling it up they become mangled and far from the truth. so when he talks it out he comes home and realises that his family loves him a lot and makes a lot of effort to connect with him and show him care that he was boxing himself out of.
確かに、父親が休みを取れなかったのは仕事の都合で、単に優先順位の問題ではないという考察ができる。作中で父親が育休を取れたのは双子の誕生時だけで、それも簡単ではなかったという義母の反応がそれを示している。もちろん、これはヨウタの感情を否定するものではない。幼い子どもが困難な状況で感じた孤独感は完全に正当だし、自分も同じ立場なら同じように感じる。 この作品の優れている点は、感情は常に有効で重要だが、それを押し込めると歪んで真実から遠ざかるというメッセージを描いているところだ。ヨウタが話し合いを通じて帰宅し、家族が彼と繋がろうと多大な努力をしていることに気づく流れは、彼自身が築いた壁を壊す過程として見事な伏線回収だと思う。考察くん
NationalStrategy
I really appreciate Yota and Koyun friendship, they connect with each other really well, they both seem comfortable to be around each other, and they're very supportive towards one another.
陽太と小雲の友情が本当にいいよね。お互いすごく気が合ってて、一緒にいてリラックスできる感じが伝わってくるし、支え合ってるところが最高だと思う。普通くん
Throwaway785320
Even with communication between the 4 of them there's still so much misunderstandings and assumptions lmao I get it though they're acting like teens at least and believable
4人の間で会話してんのに誤解と決めつけが多すぎて草www でもわかるわ、ちゃんと10代らしい行動しててリアリティあるンゴね2ちゃん
ebonyphoenix
原文
I’m glad that Yota’s family issues were just a teen overthinking his changing family dynamics and parents being a bit overwhelmed by twin toddlers. Sometimes it does just take stepping back and talking with someone outside the issue to clear the soot and get a new perspective on things. On the other side of things the current state of the love quatrangle is -Yota likes Miki -Miki thinks Koyuki and Yota might have something going on -Koyuki knows Yota likes Miki but thinks Miki might like Minato -Minato is getting an crush on Koyuki, but thinks Koyuki might like Yota, and knows that Yota likes Miki
陽太の家族問題が、単なる10代の過剰な考えと、双子の幼児に手を焼く両親の事情だったのは良かったな。時には一歩引いて、第三者と話すだけで視点がクリアになるものだ。一方で現在の四角関係の状況はこうだ: - 陽太→美姫が好き - 美姫→小雪と陽太が何かあると思っている - 小雪→陽太が美姫を好きだと知っているが、美姫が湊を好きかもしれないと考えている - 湊→小雪に惹かれつつあるが、小雪が陽太を好きかもしれないと思い、陽太が美姫を好きだと知っている 各キャラの認識のズレが絶妙で、今後の展開を考察するのが楽しみだ。考察くん
szalhi
Hey. It's me, the hero. She needs an accomplice. Literally me. 😊 As simple as that.
わかった。俺が行くよ。彼女には共犯者が必要だ。それってつまり俺のことじゃん😊 シンプルにこれだけ。感情くん
Frontier246
There's nothing more precious in this world than Koyun's laugh or happy dance.
この世でコユンの笑顔とハッピーダンスに勝るもんなんてないやろwww ガチで尊いンゴ…2ちゃん
Kirosh2
Her smile is precious as well.
彼女の笑顔もすごく大事だよね。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
And with the theme of the show, we have Yota, who as a tall person will always stand out in public (that is how Koyun finds him everytime) but who felt like he wasn't even present when together with his family. Of course, his case was probably the easiest to solve because it was just him believing this in the first place. As his parents and siblings really did not consider it this way. On the other side, I am not sure how they will be able to untangle the situation where Miki wants to ship Koyun and Yota while Koyun wants to help Yota get together with Miki. Especially with Minato who will always feel like the third wheel in these scenarios. But from the ending of the episode, I assume Miki might not even have the time to do anything, considering that her "true self" was found out. Which might get her back to middle school days. And I am still not sure if Koyun even knew anything that happened with Miki back then considering she had her own worries at the time. But hopefully she can help her this time around. Or maybe Yota can. Also a bit off topic, but the whole soot metaphor made me remember that I still hope we get Shadows House back at some point.
【なんJ】このアニメのテーマ的に、背が高いヨウタはいつも目立つ存在やけど(小弓が毎回見つけられる理由)、家族といるときは自分が存在してない気がしてたって話な。まあ彼のケースは本人が思い込んでただけやから解決しやすかったんやろな。親やきょうだいはそんな風に思ってなかったし。 一方でミキが小弓とヨウタをくっつけようとして、小弓はヨウタとミキをくっつけようとしてる状況はどう解くんやろ。特に湊はいつも余計なお世話扱いされそうやし。でも最終回の展開見る限り、ミキの「本当の自分」がバレたから時間ないかもな。それで中学時代に戻る感じか。 小弓が当時ミキに何があったか知ってたかは微妙やけど、自分の悩みで手一杯やったやろうし。今回は助けてくれるとええな。ヨウタでもいいけど。あと話それるけど、煤のメタファー見て「シャドーハウス」また見たいって思ったわ。2ちゃん
SirGigglesandLaughs
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Well, we know Minato and Koyun are friends now, but they couldn't see each other because of the break. Now that they're back in school, there are many more opportunities to meet. Plus, we saw Koyun already trying to create some distance from Yota for Miki; so, there are a lot of chances for her and Minato to hang out more and bond together. For how little they've hung out, they already have a cute dynamic. Of course, Miki will try to be a thorn, but still.
なるほど、湊と小雲は今や友達になったけど、休み中は会えなかったんだね。学校が再開した今、会う機会は増えそう。それに小雲はもうミキのために陽太と距離を置こうとしてるし、湊と一緒に過ごすチャンスはたくさんありそう。まだ一緒にいる時間は少ないけど、二人のやりとりはもう可愛いよ。もちろんミキが邪魔してくるだろうけどね。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I didn't mean to say that Minato won't have chances to hang out with Koyun. Just, if the characters are focused on shipping each other with Yota, this can easily make Minato feel like the odd one out, because the focus is always on Yota. Now I will also say that I don't think this will be a big issue. Mostly because I think Koyun isn't too big on the idea of "forcing" the relationship as it would be the same thing that happened to her. Miki should really want to be with Yota, not just take him, because he is nice and "what else would she want". And also because I feel, the next arc will be way more drama around Miki.
ミナトがコユンと過ごす時間がなくなるとは言ってないんだ。ただ、キャラクターたちが皆ヨタとの恋愛に集中しすぎると、ミナトだけが浮いてしまう可能性がある。なぜなら焦点が常にヨタに当たるからだ。ただ、これは大きな問題にはならないと思う。なぜならコユン自身が「関係を無理に進める」考え方にあまり賛成じゃないから。それは彼女自身がされたことと同じだからね。ミキは「他に選択肢がないから」ではなく、本当にヨタと一緒にいたいと思わなければならない。そして次のアークでは、ミキをめぐるドラマがもっと深く描かれると予想している。考察くん
SirGigglesandLaughs
Oh yeah, Minato will definitely be in his feelings but he'll perk up for sure the more he sees Koyun initiating contact with him. From there, who knows. I agree though that Koyun isn't fixated on shipping; she's more just naturally supportive. That's a bit different from Miki, who didn't take her own advice not to interfere too much.
確かに、湊はちょっと落ち込むかもだけど、小雲の方から積極的に接触してくるのを見れば元気になると思うよ。そこから先はわかんないけどね。でも小雲はカップリングに固執してるわけじゃなくて、自然に応援してる感じだと思う。それは美希とはちょっと違うな。美希は「干渉しすぎない」ってアドバイスを自分で守れてなかったし。普通くん
ptd163
原文
My heart broke for Yota and Koyun at the start the episode. I thought maybe this was going to be a real heavy episode. But then she stepped outside her comfort zone and texted Yota and they had a good time together and a great heart-to-heart on the bench. All that tension gave way to happier feelings. While this episode sucks for Koyun x Yota shippers, I'm glad it went that way. There's not enough good platonic boy-girl relationships in this genre. With Koyun and Miki being happy to wingwoman for each other (for the wrong people lol) and Minato being caught in the middle it looks like we're entering the misunderstanding territory, but I trust this author handled it well.
冒頭の陽太と小弓のシーン、胸が痛んだよ。正直、重い回になるかと思ってた。でも小弓が自分の殻を破って陽太に連絡したことで、ベンチでの本音の会話に繋がったのは良かった。あの緊張感が幸福感に変わった瞬間、制作陣の意図が読めるな。小弓×陽太推しには辛い回だけど、あの展開は正解だと思う。このジャンルで健全な男女の友情関係を描く作品は貴重だからね。小弓と美姫が互いに(間違った相手に向けて笑)恋の応援をして、湊が板挟みになる構図は、すれ違いの伏線だと思われる。ただ、この作者ならうまく捌いてくれると信じてる。考察くん
Akagikin
This episode was so warm.
このエピソード、めっちゃ温かかったな。普通くん
JJVM99
原文
Yota is right about Kohyun. Seeing someone who is going through the same issues affecting you on a daily basis and choosing to help them shows how strong and kind she truly is deep down. The first half of the episode was a constant hit on the feels seeing Kohyun’s loneliness regarding her families divorce and feeling that nobody would care if you are gone, can’t blame her for crying. People were right about Yota’s crush on Miki. I’m happy to see him happier when seeing his family and having this very wholesome friendship with Kohyun although it is a bit sad how obvious it is that Miki doesn’t feel the same way. This was by far the best episode for me up until now. I had been waiting for a standout episode that really hit me and the reason I am invested in watching this weekly besides it being by the creator of You and I are Polar Opposites and this was what I needed. Love Kohyun and Yota so much after this episode and just want to see them be happy after this.
Yotaの言う通りやな、Kohyunのこと。同じ悩み抱えてる奴見つけて助けるって、マジで芯の強い優しい子やわ。前半は家族の離婚で孤独感じて「消えても誰も気にしない」って泣くKohyun見てワイもグッときたわ。泣くのも当然やろ。YotaのMikiへの片思いはみんな見抜いてたな。家族といる時の笑顔とかKohyunとの純粋な友情は微笑ましいけど、Mikiが同じ気持ちじゃないのがちょっと切ないンゴね。今回が一番の神回やったわ。ずっと待ってた刺さる話が来た。『君と僕は正反対』の作者ってのもあって毎週見てるけど、これが求めとったやつ。この回でKohyunとYota大好きになったわ。幸せになってくれ。2ちゃん
Kirosh2
and feeling that nobody would care if you are gone, Which also goes with what Miki said to her in a flashback a few episodes ago, just before she started going out with Igarashi, about how it must be nice to have someone that loves her so much. Igarashi, being in love with her, cared if she was there, so she took the plunge, and started to date him. Sweet sweet drama and angst.
誰も自分の存在を気にしないって感覚、それって数話前のフラッシュバックでミキが言ってたことにも通じるよね。五十嵐と付き合う直前に「こんなに愛してくれる人がいるって素晴らしいね」って話してたやつ。五十嵐は彼女を愛してたから、彼女の存在を気にかけてくれて、だから彼女も思い切って付き合い始めたんだ。甘くて切ないドラマだね。普通くん
JJVM99
and then in this episode we see a flashback where Kohyun is told chastised for having issues with Igarashi and is just told to think about poor Igarashi instead. They really made her miserable and feel as if she didn’t exist in middle school, poor girl.
草、中3の回想でコウヒョンが五十嵐のこと注意されて「可哀想な五十嵐のこと考えろ」って言われてたやん。マジで中学時代は存在すら無視されて地獄やったんやな…可哀想すぎてワイ泣いてまうわ2ちゃん
Frontier246
原文
The first half of the episode was a constant hit on the feels seeing Kohyun’s loneliness regarding her families divorce and feeling that nobody would care if you are gone, can’t blame her for crying. It also was probably another issue in her relationship with Igarashi. He became her boyfriend but she still felt crippling loneliness because of her anxiety and the fact that Igarashi rejected basically everything about her while they were dating.
前半パートは、小春の家族の離婚による孤独感と「自分がいなくなっても誰も気にしない」という感覚が描かれていて、感情に直撃する展開だった。彼女が泣くのも当然だな。これは五十嵐との関係にも影響していたと考えられる。彼が彼氏になったにもかかわらず、彼女の不安や、五十嵐が交際中に彼女の本質をほぼ全て否定していたことが、深刻な孤独感を生んでいたという考察ができる。考察くん
catferret8
This show has my heart in a vice; I feel such a whirlwind of emotions every week, I wish the manga could please be translated to English. I bought all the volumes of polar opposites to show the author is popular and needs all their work translated. I’m so happy Yota likes Miki but the love square is so complicated now!
このアニメに心臓ぎゅーっと掴まれてるンゴ……毎週感情ジェットコースターやわ。漫画英語版出てくれ頼むマジで。polar opposites全巻買ったで、作者の人気証明して全作品翻訳してほしいンゴwww ヨウタがミキのこと好きで嬉しいけど、恋愛四角形が複雑すぎやろ!2ちゃん
Kirbyundertale
It has been translated up to chapter 106 with the rest on the way
え、106話まで翻訳済みなの!? 続きも来るってマジか…待ちすぎて爆発しそうだわッ!感情くん
catferret8
On mangaplaza? I could not access it when I tried. I hope it gets books too
マンガプラザで?試したけどアクセスできなかったよ。書籍版も出るといいな普通くん
Kirbyundertale
Yup, well you can always search for the one piece and buy the volumes later
せやな、ワンピース探すのはいつでもできるし、単行本は後で買えばええやん2ちゃん
liggieep
really enjoying seeing how koyun isn't the sole focal character and everyone has their own interpersonal trauma they're living with and working on. i thinks I'm officially enjoying this more than polar opposites, but the two stories are very different and I still love polar opposites, but the drama is more engaging than comfy fluff romcom
コユンだけが主人公じゃなくて、みんなそれぞれ抱えてるトラウマと向き合ってるのがいいよね。個人的にはもう『ポーラーオポジット』よりこっちの方が好きかも。両方とも全然違う話だけど、あっちも好きだし。でも癒し系ラブコメより、こっちのドラマの方が引き込まれるな。普通くん
Auron15
This was probably my favorite episode so far! I loved seeing Koyun be there for Yota because of her experiences as well. Now I’m just waiting to see how this massive misunderstanding from Miki and Minato is going to play out!
今回の話が今んとこ一番好きやわ!小春が陽太のこと支えるとこ、自分の経験もあって良かったンゴwww あとは美樹と湊のデカい誤解がどう転ぶか待つだけやな!2ちゃん
Zemahem
原文
Man that divorce backstory... Koyun really is stronger and kinder than she realizes. And it's just sad that Yota ever felt like an outsider in his own home despite his family genuinely caring about him. It really just sucks when you get into such a headspace, and I relate to him feeling awful for having those emotions. I keep having to say it, but these really do just have the sweetest friendship. And it's great seeing Koyun's happiness dance over Yota's feelings for Miki animated. She's just a silly goober. Even sillier is her and Miki shipping each other with the same exact guy lmao. And despite Koyun's efforts to try and be a wingman, her chemistry with Yota is just too strong for outside observers. I don't know if you can even call this a love triangle.
離婚のバックストーリー、めっちゃ切ないな… コユンは自分が思ってるよりずっと強くて優しいんだね。ヨタが家族にちゃんと愛されてるのに家の中で疎外感を感じてたって話も悲しすぎる。ああいう気持ちになるの、すごくわかるよ。また言っちゃうけど、この二人の友情が本当に最高。コユンがヨタのミキへの気持ちを知って嬉しそうに踊るシーン、アニメで見れて良かった。彼女はただのバカなやつだな。ミキと二人で同じ男を推し合ってるのがもっとバカで笑える。コユンは恋のキューピッドになろうとしてるけど、ヨタとの相性が良すぎて周りからはそう見えないんだよな。これが三角関係って言えるのかな。普通くん
jiboxiake
Lovely show. I love all 4 of them. They are lovely and relatable teenagers. Oh, youth.
やばくね!?このアニメまじでかわいいじゃん!4人とも好きなんだけど、みんな共感できるティーンエイジャーだし。ああ、青春って感じ~!ギャル
TheBusStop12
原文
I've noticed Koyun has a very childish side to her. She has a love for cute fluffy animals (like in middle school people laughed at her for her lion bottle, and all her animal plushies in her room) and when she walked next to Yota she was balancing on the curb. I actually wonder if she's on the Spectrum, some form of high functioning autism. It would lime up with all the social issues she struggles with. As someone on the spectrum myself I honestly recognize a lot of her behavior
小宮くんに子供っぽい側面があるのは興味深い考察だ。彼女がふわふわした動物を好む点(中学時代にライオンの水筒を笑われたエピソードや、部屋のぬいぐるみの多さ)や、陽太と歩く時に縁石の上をバランス取りながら歩く仕草――これらは確かに自閉スペクトラム症、特に高機能自閉症の特性と合致する可能性がある。彼女が抱える社会的な困難を考慮すると、その診断が当てはまるという仮説は十分成立する。私自身もスペクトラム当事者として、彼女の行動パターンに強い共感を覚える。考察くん
BassSquared
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Yeah, alongside those "childish" aspects to her personality, there's also the way her flat affect makes people around her often perceive her as "cold" and emotionless when in reality she's a very emotional person who can sometimes get overwhelmed by her own feelings. Add in her exasperation with some of the aspects of social interaction such as people excusing being mean as "just teasing" and yeah, I can certainly see it.
せやな、彼女の「子供っぽい」部分に加えて、無表情な態度で周りから「冷たい」「無感情」って思われがちやけど、実際はめっちゃ感情豊かで時々自分の感情に押し潰されそうになるんやろな。しかも「ただの冗談」って言って意地悪を正当化する連中にイライラしてるのも分かるわ。ワイも確かに共感できるンゴwww2ちゃん
Zeallfnonex
There's also probably a healthy dose of self-image issues with the divorce: "my father liked me more when I was a child, so I'm going to keep these childish traits as much as I can." Not saying you're necessarily wrong, but... parents splitting does so much damage to a child's emotional growth, I'd say moreso than one parent dying.
離婚による自己イメージの問題も大きいと考えられる。「父は子供の頃の俺の方が好きだったんだ。だからできるだけ子供らしい特徴を保ち続けよう」という心理だ。あなたの見解が間違いとは言わないが…親の離別は子どもの情緒的成長に多大なダメージを与える。個人的には片親を亡くす以上に深刻だと思うね。考察くん
vancevon
Can't believe the whole show pulled off its mask at the end there and went "Mwahahaha, I was actually Gamers! all along! Bet you didn't see that coming!"
まさか最後に「実はずっとゲーマーズ!でした!予想できた?」ってドヤ顔でバラすとは思わなかったわ。普通くん
mmcjawa_reborn
I guess this must be "Divorce trauma" week in the romantic anime realm? I love that Koyun and Miki are 100% supportive of shipping each other with Yota, without any sort of resentment or other drama (so far). Poor confused Minato though...
この展開、ラブコメ界隈でいうところの“離婚トラウマ週間”ってやつかもな。個人的に興味深いのは、小鳩と美希が互いに陽太とのカップリングを100%応援し合ってる点だ。現時点では嫉妬やドロドロした展開が一切なくて、制作陣の意図が読める。ただ、混乱してる湊が不憫だな…彼の心情を考察すると、今後何かしらの伏線になる可能性が高い。考察くん
FabtheEmber
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When Koyuki smiles at Yota....... Minato/Ponta exe. Stops working When Koyuki smiles at Minato..... Minato/aponta exe. stops working lol Dude is doomed either way. Now it is HIS turn to be awkward and fumble what a complete 180 of a dynamic. Their last scene overall was so cute n hilarious!! Also one thing that is becoming a recurring theme is accepting oneself, flaws n all. Like if we think logically, overall Yota's new family is cool. He has no reason to feel left out. BUT that isn't how it works and Yota was pretty much beating himself up by thinking that way. It is only when he learnt to accept the negative feelings and stopped feeling guilty about them that he could gain peace. What a nice little message. Overall fantastic episode!
小雪が陽太に微笑むと……ミナト/ポン太.exeが停止するンゴwww ミナトに微笑んでも同じく停止するし、どっちにしろ詰んでるやん草 今度は逆に彼が挙動不審になってるの、完全に立場逆転しとるやろ。最後のシーンめっちゃ可愛くて笑えたわ!! あと「自分を受け入れる」ってテーマが毎回出てくるの良いよな。冷静に考えれば陽太の新しい家族は最高で、疎外感感じる理由なんてない。でもそういう問題じゃないし、陽太は自分を責めてた。負の感情を受け入れて罪悪感手放した時、ようやく心の平穏を得られたんやな。沁みるメッセージやわ。 総じて神回やった!2ちゃん
Nebresto
And more curveballs. That was a fantastic episode
まじでやばかったじゃん!?あの展開は予想外すぎてヤバかったわ〜めっちゃ面白かった!ギャル
Yulwei138967
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I really like this anime. The relationships feel so real and deep. Good depiction of male-female friendship might be my number one indicator for great media. It’s so great to see them all care so deeply for each other without it having to be romantically motivated. To me this series is so much more engaging and interesting than seihantai. I enjoyed seihantai, but always felt like it lacked the deep intimate conversations. Probably just a matter of preference, but I wholeheartedly favour this work. Looking forward to every episode.
このアニメマジで好きやわ。人間関係がめっちゃリアルで深いんよ。男女の友情をちゃんと描いてるのは最高の作品の指標やと思うわ。恋愛じゃなくてお互いを思いやる感じがガチで良い。個人的には正反対より断然こっちの方が面白いンゴ。正反対も嫌いちゃうけど、なんか深い会話が足りんかったんよな。好みの問題かもしれんけど、ワイはこっちを全力で推すわ。毎話楽しみすぎるwww2ちゃん
BootyLover299
Let Minato cook all I gotta say
ミナトに任せとけって感じじゃん!やっぱあいつに任せるのが正解だわ笑ギャル
deynyel
ROFL the misunderstandings. That study session is gonna be so fun to see.
笑ったわ、誤解がすごいな。あの勉強会、見るのがすごく楽しみだね。普通くん
runevault
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I'm glad we finally took the time to show what is going on with Yota. Feeling like a bolt on to a family when you're dependent on that family so you can't just escape would be emotionally devastating, and the author conveys it so well here. One thing I'm curious about, that next night felt like all those feelings up and died with the one interaction with his family after the Koyun talk. That feels suspect and I do not trust it, we'll see where that goes. The romance part of this show is starting to kick in even if we're likely a decent ways from any confessions/relationships forming/etc.
ようやく陽太の内面描写に時間を割いてくれたのが良かった。家族に依存しているがゆえに逃げ出せず、まるで部外者のように感じるのは精神的に破壊的だし、作者はそれを見事に描いている。気になるのは、あの翌晩、小春との話の後に家族との一度のやり取りでそうした感情が全て消えたように見えた点だ。あれは怪しくて信用できない。この先どうなるか見ものだな。告白や関係構築にはまだ距離がありそうだが、この作品のロマンスパートが動き始めている。考察くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Ahhhhhh Yota in love with Miki😍
草wwwww ヨタがミキに恋しとるやん😍2ちゃん
tripleaamin
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It's good that this episode gave us a focus on Youta. I liked how Koyun empathizes with Youta in how it is to no longer be living with your original parents. Though the difference is Koyun's parents divorced, while for Youta his mom passed away. While both have the feeling, does it matter if I am around? Koyun definitely feels more isolated at home in comparison to Youta his dad and new mom don't treat him like a kid in the good way. You can see they care for him, but obviously the two younger siblings require more effort and attention to be with. It is really sweet how the friendship between Youta and Koyun has evolved. Koyun is offering to Youta what Youta evolved for her. A person they can just be honest with. So much so, Youta admits to Koyun about his feelings for Miki. To me, it definitely seems there is no romantic interest between these two, and that is for the best, I would say. Granted, it's going to be awkward with Miki shipping them. As Koyun is getting more comfortable around Minato it does feel like we have a clear pair between the main 4. The concern mainly is Miki being unaware of Youta's feelings for her and trying to push Youta and Koyun together. Ironically, it feels like she is on pace to again push Koyun into a romantic relationship that she doesn't have interest in. Also, the other girls at school noticing Miki's true self definitely has a recipe for upcoming drama if I were to speculate.
今回のエピソードで陽太に焦点が当たったのは良かったね。小雲が陽太に「実の親と一緒に暮らせなくなった気持ち」で共感するのが好きだった。違いは小雲の両親は離婚で、陽太の母親は亡くなったことだけど、どちらも「自分がいてもいいのかな」って同じ感覚を持ってる。小雲の方が家で孤立してる感じが強いね。陽太の場合、父親と新しい母親は子供扱いしすぎずにちゃんと気にかけてるのがわかるけど、当然下の二人の弟妹にはもっと手間と注意が必要だし。陽太と小雲の友情がどう発展したかは本当に素敵だよ。小雲が陽太に、陽太が小雲にしてあげたことを返してるんだ。お互いに正直になれる相手ってこと。それで陽太が小雲に美季への気持ちを打ち明けるほどに。個人的にはこの二人に恋愛感情はなさそうだし、それがベストだと思う。ただ美季が二人をくっつけようとして気まずくなるだろうけどね。小雲が湊に慣れてきて、メイン4人のカップリングも明確になってきた感じ。心配なのは美季が陽太の気持ちに気づかずに、陽太と小雲をくっつけようとすること。皮肉なことに、また小雲を興味ない恋愛に押し込もうとしてるように見える。あと学校の他の女子たちが美季の本当の姿に気づき始めてるのは、今後のドラマの伏線っぽいな。普通くん
SezyFazes
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The school parent event scene was brutal to me. Seeing other kids with their parents while Yota’s mom is gone and his dad is stuck working felt painfully real. It reminded me of how school events can unintentionally become emotional landmines for kids dealing with loss. Koyun was really emotional intelligence (not sure if this make sense) because she’s basically trying to do for Yota what Minato once tried to do for her, except she approaches it with empathy instead of pity. The difference matters a lot. She understands the feeling of not really belonging anywhere, of being surrounded by people but still feeling isolated. The parallels between Yota’s family situation and Koyun’s experience with her parents’ divorce were handled well. One thing I really love about this series is how characters project things onto others that secretly reflect their own insecurities.
学校の親子行事のシーンはかなり刺さったな。ヨウタの母親はもういなくて、父親は仕事で来られない中で、他の子たちが親と一緒にいる光景は痛いくらいリアルだった。学校行事が、喪失を抱える子供にとって意図せず感情の地雷原になりうることを思い出させられる。コユンは本当に感情知能が高いと思うんだが(この表現で合ってるかはわからないけど)、彼女はミナトがかつて自分にしてやろうとしたことを、ヨウタに対して同情ではなく共感をもってアプローチしている。この違いは非常に大きい。彼女は「本当の居場所がない感覚」や「人に囲まれていても孤独を感じる感覚」を理解している。ヨウタの家庭環境と、コユン自身の両親の離婚経験のパラレル構造は見事に描かれていた。この作品の好きなところの一つは、キャラクターが自分の内面の不安を他者に投影する点にある。考察くん
Zeallfnonex
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You have to remember, some people despite having the correct intentions are just really bad at whatever they're trying to do. Like, once when I was a young kid, I pulled up a whole aster bush because I thought it was dead (it had no flowers because it was out of season) thinking I was helping my parents weed. That's basically Minato at the beginning of the show, good intentions, absolutely horrid technique/execution.
確かに、ミナトは最初まさにそれだよね。善意はあるんだけど、やり方が完全にズレてる。子供の頃、季節外れで花が咲いてないアスターを雑草だと思って全部抜いちゃった話、めっちゃわかるわ。普通くん
YlfaTheForsaken
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Ah so that's what Minato meant last episode. But it's okay because Yota is just so adorable about his crush. He's like that one Fergie song that goes all 'You got me trippin' oh, stumblin' oh, flippin' oh, fumblin' so clumsy 'cause I'm fallin' in love' Anyways, I love the despair pair, now they've got each other's back like that. Now this is a fantastic shenanigan circle that still somehow currently is just Minato x suffering, but he's lucky that it looks like things'll be changing as Koyuki does her best to support Yota and Miki while probably outmaneuvering Miki's attempts to toss Yota back at her.
なるほど、これで前回の湊のセリフの意味が繋がったな。ただ陽太の片思いの描写が愛らしすぎて、まるでファーギーのあの曲「恋に落ちてドジ踏んでる感じ」そのものだ。絶望ペアの関係性も興味深い。お互いを守り合う構図ができつつある。現状はまだ「湊×受難」の構図が続いてるけど、小雪が陽太と美希を支えつつ、美希の「陽太を押し付けよう」作戦を逆手に取る展開になるなら、物語の力学が変わる伏線として注目できる。考察くん
Magnafeana
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I trust nothing right now. Overstimulation? I thought I was the only thing keeping them together. seethes I want to slap some parents right now. Who fucking cares about a water bottle? Like goddamn, go be busy or moisturize or something. It’s okay, Youta. Grandpa-coded guys are cool. I feel so painfully much. Youta is so relatable 🥲 I wonder if paternity leave (paid) is common yet globally Oh my goodness, Youta is such an adorable nephew. Gods, I fucking love platonic love, let’s fucking GOOOOIOO! Youta and Koyun and the Shadow House crossover? Now this is the type of misunderstanding I’m here for! Youta’s circumstances were fleshed out well in this episode. I’m not exactly happy with his father. But his stepmother seems like a great lady who wanted him to feel like home is home and he’s family. It can be very tricky with blended families for kids. And even without the death of a parent and a new family, most kids remember which parent showed up and which parent didn’t. Koyun’s home-life massively concerns me. Ugh. I’m just pleased as punch seeing platonic love like this! I love it! I don’t think it’s uncommon to see boy-girl friendships, but this level of intimacy, I feel it’s uncommon. I really appreciate this level of friendship being shown. Of course people gonna ship and let ship and IDGAF. Not exactly loving this whole “Could Miki really be like that?”, but it’s not like I haven’t heard this before 🙄 Quite worried about the rumors that’ll propagate now. But Koyun’s little happiness is adorable and Youta being such an abashed little nephew is cute, so I’ll worry about things next episode.
今は何も信じられない。過剰刺激? 自分が彼らを繋ぎ止めてる唯一の存在だと思ってたのに。親をぶん殴りたい気分だよ。水筒なんて誰が気にするんだよ。もうどっか行って保湿でもしてろよ。大丈夫だよ、陽太。おじいちゃん気質の男はかっこいいから。痛いほど共感するわ。陽太、めっちゃわかる🥲 育休(有給)って世界的に一般的なのかな? 陽太って本当にかわいい甥っ子だな。純粋な愛情、マジで大好き。最高だ! 陽太と小雲とシャドーハウスのクロスオーバー? こういうすれ違いこそ待ってた! 今回のエピソードで陽太の状況がよく描かれてたな。父親には納得いかないけど、継母は良い人だと思う。家を本当の家だと感じさせようとしてた。再婚家庭の子供には難しいこともあるしね。親の死や新しい家族がなくても、どっちの親がいてくれたか、子供は覚えてるもんだ。小雲の家庭環境がすごく心配。うわあ。でもこういう純粋な友情が見られて嬉しい! 男女の友情は珍しくないと思うけど、このレベルの親密さは珍しい気がする。こういう友情が描かれるのは本当にありがたい。カップリングしたい人は勝手にすればいいし、俺は気にしない。美樹が本当にそんな感じなのかってのはちょっと気になるけど、聞いたことない話じゃないしな🙄 これから広まる噂が心配普通くん
mekerpan
>> I’m not exactly happy with his father A single father working a possibly more than 40 hours a week -- who can't come to school events. Not seeing anything particularly neglectful here....
え〜、彼のパパにそこまで厳しくなくない?笑 シングルファザーで週40時間以上働いてて、学校行事に来れないって言われても… これってネグレクトってほどじゃなくない?ギャル
Magnafeana
I didn’t call him neglectful? You kinda said that rather than me, so I need some explaining where I said neglectful 😅 Two things can be true at the same time. Single parenting is hard and you’ll sacrifice things even though you never wanted to. But it doesn’t negate that kids remember if their parent is in the crowd for their recital or not. It happens. But we can agree to disagree on that!
この議論、興味深いですね。「neglectful(育児放棄)」という言葉は確かにあなたは使っていない。ただ、シングルペアレンティングの難しさと子供の記憶に残る「親の不在」というテーマは、実は『氷の城壁』の親子関係描写にも通じる考察ができる。作中で描かれる親の葛藤と子の視点の乖離は、まさにこの「両方正しい」構造を体現していると思われる。同意できない部分があるのは承知の上で、作品分析としては非常に示唆に富む指摘だ。考察くん
manofslutywhore
I was trying to connect their love rectangle and it's So MESSED UP. How is author going to fix this mess up😭, Also Miki is caught so the episode would most likely focus on miki and we might be able to see new side cast that were shown in intro.. Also Happy for Mr.🦒
彼らの恋愛四角形を整理しようとしたんだけど、めちゃくちゃ複雑すぎるだろ。作者どうやって解決すんのこれ😭 あとミキ捕まっちゃったし、次回はミキ中心の話になるだろうね。OPで出てきた新キャラたちも見られるかも。そしてキリンさんおめでとう🦒普通くん
manofslutywhore
I love koyun minato ship. But i feel so bad for miki 👁️🫦👁️ WHO DO I SUPPORTT!!!!!
こゆんみなとのカップリングまじ好きなんだけど!でもミキにも同情しちゃうじゃん?👁️🫦👁️ どっち応援すればいいのー!!ギャル
smart_is_cool1020
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Unexpected turn of events I absolutely didn’t see Miki x Yota coming i thought Minato always referred to Yota’s family problems whenever he said Yota is not the right person for koyun. Though i was Yota x koyun but now when i see it if Miki shares the same feelings for Yota (which i don’t see happening with her trying to be the wingwoman for koyun and Yota) that would be great too. Also I feel so bad for Minato bro is just suffering 😭. Iam now really excited to know abt igarashi and how koyun and him started dating and what went wrong. Seeing the flashbacks doesn’t seem like igarashi was trying to create problems for koyun rather was trying to help her out and maybe was not just supportive or some kind of thing though iam not sure on this part as much. Backstories nvr got me so hooked as much as they do in this anime truly loving it🤩 PS: koyun’s happiness dance is adorable af♥️
展開予想外すぎて、ミキ×ヨタの展開はまったく考えてなかったな。ミナトが「ヨタはコユンにふさわしくない」って言うのは、ずっとヨタの家庭問題を指してると思ってた。自分はヨタ×コユン派だったけど、もしミキがヨタに同じ気持ちを持ってるなら(コユンとヨタの恋を応援してる今のミキを見るとそうは思えないけど)、それもアリだな。それにミナトがただ苦しんでてかわいそうすぎる😭。五十嵐とコユンがどう付き合い始めて、何が悪かったのかすごく気になる。回想を見る限り、五十嵐はコユンに問題を起こそうとしてるわけじゃなく、助けようとしてたように見えるけど、ただサポート不足だったのかも?この部分は確信ないけど。このアニメの過去編にこんなにハマるとは思わなかった、本当に大好き🤩 追記:コユンの幸せダンスがめっちゃ可愛い♥️普通くん
2kenzhe
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Ok so I was wonder how they wouldn't work it's cuz Yota likes Miki. I see it does makes sense. Sad though cuz Miki sees Yota get along so well with Koyuki and ships them but actually Yota likes her lol oof while things are good now I can really see it get all jumbled up later. At least though Yota talking with Koyuki allowed him to process some stuff which is great. I'm happy with Yota and Koyuki just being BFFs ngl. I also figured it would probably be Minato and Koyuki just wasn't sure then what with Miki and Yota but if Yota likes Miki then maybe one day Miki would like him too? who knows. At least Koyuki is happy Yota likes Miki. Ngl for a second, I thought Yota was going to say Minato or something and that's why Minato thinks Koyuki would get hurt falling love with Yota. Can't believe I didn't pick up on Yota liking Miki at all before this. Also ngl I need more of these platonic best friends relationships between guys/girls in anime not everyone a love potential. Though Miki and Minato definitely thinking there's something more between those two now lol. As already seen in Polar opposites the author can have great relationships between people who are just friends, not potential love options. Also, I just realized it cuz Koyun's parents divorced her last name changed and that's why Igrashi or whatever didn't remember her from the last name? That would make sense?
なるほど、陽太が美紀を好きだからうまくいかないのか。確かにそれで説明がつくな。ただ、美紀が陽太と小雪の仲の良さを見て二人をくっつけようとしてるのが皮肉だよな。実際は陽太が美紀を好きなのに。今は平和だけど、後々ごちゃごちゃになりそうだな。 少なくとも陽太が小雪と話せたことで色々整理できたのは良かった。俺も陽太と小雪は純粋な親友でいてほしいと思う。湊と小雪の関係は予想できたけど、陽太と美紀の関係はわからなかった。でも陽太が美紀を好きなら、いつか美紀も陽太を好きになる可能性はあるのか? 小雪が陽太の気持ちを知って喜んでるのが救いだな。一瞬、陽太が湊のことを言い出すんじゃないかと思ったけど。それなら湊が「小雪が陽太を好きになったら傷つく」と言った理由にも合点がいく。今まで陽太が美紀を好きだって気づかなかったのが信じられない。 それにしても、アニメでは男女の純粋な友情関係をもっと見たい。みんな恋愛対象にしなくていいんだよ。ただし美紀と湊は明らかに何かあると思ってるけどな。『正反対な君と僕』の作者は、恋愛じゃない素晴らしい友情関係を描くのが上手い。 あと気づいたんだけど、小雪の両親が離婚して名字が変わったから、五十嵐(だったっけ?)が名字で彼女を思い出せなかったってことか?それなら納得だ。考察くん
Roskal
I worry about Miki trying to get Yota and Koyun alone by trying to get close to minato at the study session complicating everything. As of now It seems like the only ones who we know has feelings are Yota ->Miki and Minato -> Koyuki, so theres nothing under the surface stopping them from cleanly splitting into pairs
ミキが湊に近づいて陽太と小雲を二人きりにしようとして、勉強会で余計ややこしくならないか心配だな。今のところ、気持ちがあるのは陽太→ミキと湊→小雪だけっぽいから、すっきりペアに分かれるのを邪魔するものは何もなさそうだけどね。普通くん
Leeemon
This shit is about to go DOWN. I love how the ending starts in this show!
やばいやばいやばいッ!これからクソヤバ展開が始まるぞ!!この作品の終盤の入り方、最高すぎるだろッ!!感情くん
CooroSnowFox
Its so subtle but doesn't sound like any other piece of music in the show...
めっちゃ控えめやけど、この曲だけ他の劇中曲と全然違う響きやん…草2ちゃん
HalfwayDecent385
Yota is the bestest boy and my heart was aching for him this episode, I am so glad he was able to sort of resolve his feelings thanks to Koyun!! But oh my goodness, there are so many misunderstandings and assumptions, I'm hoping the upcoming drama isn't too much for the group. I just want them all to be happy.
陽太は最高にいいやつだし、今回のエピソードで彼の気持ちを思うと胸が痛んだよ。小云のおかげで少しは気持ちの整理がついて本当によかった!でも誤解や思い込みが多すぎて、この先グループにあまり波風が立たないでほしいな。みんな幸せでいてほしいんだ。普通くん
Mr_An_1069
So we’re at the point were everyone in the friend group(except Koyun for now) likes someone else in the group, and also thinks the person they like actually likes someone else.
草、完全に恋愛すれ違い地獄やんwww みんな(コユン除く)がグループ内で誰か好きになって、しかも相手は自分じゃない誰かを好きだと思い込んでるってガチでカオスすぎるンゴ2ちゃん
CooroSnowFox
The untangling of this is going to be hectic!
この解きほぐし、めっちゃカオスになりそうじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
ComfortableHuman1324
Don't see anyone else mentioning it, but I'm guessing the reason Igarashi was confused when Minato asked him about "Hikawa" is because Koyun's family name changed after the divorce.
他の人言ってないけど、湊が「氷川」って聞いた時、五十嵐が戸惑ってたのは、小絢の名字が離婚後に変わったからなんじゃないかな普通くん
Remarkable-Solid5582
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I loved this episode. I had already figured yota was kind of depressed with that super chill attitude of him. I'm glad Koyun helped him a little, he does have a lot of people that love him, but I understand him feeling lonely despite it. We already have confirmation that Yota likes Miki, it was obvious sometimes like even in this episode he let the things he was carrying fall again when he saw her. I'm so happy koyuki sees him as family, this way things won't get messy. Still of both male characters Yota is definitely my favorite, his personality really warms your heart.
今回の話マジで良かったわ。ユウタが超クールな態度の裏で実は鬱っぽかったのは察しとったンゴ。コユキがちょっとでも助けになってくれて良かった。周りに愛してくれる人はたくさんいるけど、それでも孤独を感じる気持ちはワイも分かる。ユウタがミキのこと好きなのは確定やな、今回もミキ見た瞬間に持ってた物落としたしwww。コユキが家族扱いしてくれてるのはホッとしたわ、ややこしくなんなくて済むし。でも男キャラの中ならやっぱユウタが一番やわ、あの性格見てると心があったかくなるンゴ〜2ちゃん
Haunting-Opinion3572
Man i just noticed Koyun & Miki having matching earring from the start of the anime. Yota open up to Koyun and start being close shocked Miki & Minato nice reaction lol.
コユンとミキが最初からお揃いのイヤリングしてたのに気づいたわ。ヨウタがコユンに心開いて仲良くなったの見てミキとミナトが驚いてたの面白かったなw普通くん
socialistRanter
I love that Koyun and Miki are both shipping the other with Yota, it’s cute and hilarious to see them try to be the other’s wingwoman.
小ユンとミキがお互いに陽太との恋を応援し合ってるのマジで草www 相手の恋のキューピッドになろうとしてる姿が可愛すぎてワロタンゴ2ちゃん
Ytar0
This anime just keeps getting better each episode, huh...
マジで毎回毎回面白くなってくじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
Hot_Yogurtcloset2698
F man my Ship got Sank Rip T-T
あー、俺の推しカップルが…沈んじゃったよ泣 悲しすぎるわT-T普通くん
djthomp
原文
I suppose that re-explains why Yota has been such a clutz all season, it's not because he's tall he's just an awkward kid in love. I wonder if Koyuki is going to use her complete lack of social ability to attempt to run wingwoman for him and Miki, gonna be particularly awkward if Miki tries to do the opposite and get Yota and Koyuki to go out after seeing them get along. Minato out in the cold where he belongs Yota and Koyuki have developed into a pretty cute friendship.
なるほどな、ヨウタが今シーズンずっとドジだった理由がよぉ…背が高いからじゃなくて、恋に不器用なガキだったってわけか。小雪がマジでコミュ障なの活かして、ヨウタとミキの恋愛を応援しようとするんか?でもミキが逆に「あの二人お似合いやん」ってヨウタと小雪をくっつけようとしたらカオスやろなwww 湊は氷の城壁で正解や。ヨウタと小雪の友情、結構可愛くなってきたやん。2ちゃん
blamordeganis
NOOO MY KOYOTA SHIP 😢
やばい!コヨタのカップル展開終わったじゃん!😭 まじ泣けるんだけど…ギャル
Joshawott27
原文
All these misconceptions building up… I don’t know if my heart will take it when it inevitably all comes out… I really appreciated the conversation between Koyun and Yota. With both this and Polar Opposites , the author has been commended for having realistic feeling characters, and that scene is a great example of why. What Koyun was saying about Yota felt like she was seeing through me as well, and I imagine it’s a fairly universal feeling even if we don’t talk about it. It was also refreshing to see Koyun not act dramatically when Yota clarified that he loves Miki. Although I could easily see them as a couple, I do enjoy them being this relaxed and unguarded around each other as just friends.
誤解が積み重なってるな…全部明らかになった時、心が持つか不安だよ。コユンとヨウタの会話は本当に良かった。『氷の城壁』も『正反対な君と僕』も、作者はリアルなキャラ描写で評価されてるけど、あのシーンがその理由をよく示してる。コユンがヨウタについて言ってたことは、自分を見透かされてる気分にもなったし、多分みんなが口に出さないけど共感できる感覚だと思う。ヨウタがミキを愛してると明かした時、コユンが大げさに反応しなかったのも新鮮だった。2人はカップルとしても見れるけど、友人としてリラックスして無防備にいられる関係も好きだな。普通くん
Concrete-grapefruit
I’m just like Miki — I ship Koyun and Yota too 😭😭
ワイもミキと同じくコユン×ヨータ推しやわ😭😭 草生えるわwww2ちゃん
AmethystItalian
Well if they can't become a ship at least they seem to be really good friends who get each other! I can get behind Yota x Miki if that' what he wants...he's just clearly much more the best guy At the end of the day it's nice seeing them all get along more
まあカップルになれなくても、お互いを理解し合える良い友達にはなれてそうだね!主人公がそれでいいなら、僕もヨタ×ミキはアリかな…何だかんだ彼が一番いい奴だし。最終的にみんながもっと仲良くやってるのを見るのは気持ちいいよ。普通くん