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And even then, Polar Opposites has some deeper cuts as well. I personally can't help but feel like that Koyuki's and Igarashi's prior middle school relationship might mirror that of Suzuki and I forget the dudes name, but they "dated" for like 2 days in middle school due to social pressure and it destroyed their friendship. I het the feeling that Koyuki and Igarashi were similarly friends in middle school and social pressure and rumors destroyed that, the outcome was just way worse

The big difference is that Yamada is the "don't bother with thinking, just go along with the flow" type of guy and the girls he dated were similar to him, and didn't really register liking quiet girls as "liking" until way later ,while Minato was constantly trying to befriend (and sometimes date) people he thinks are very different from him. That's why Yamada can be friends with his exes, since he was real with them in his own head-empty way, while Minato gets told "you're empty" because he always plays a role.

You are wrong, about Minato though. Anyways, Polar opposites never really went into how they broke things off. Because It wasn't important. If Yamada genuinely didn't like the person he said yes to it wouldn't really be a fulfilling relationship anyway whether he is real or not. The point is Polar opposites took aspects of Minato's character and put a funny /innocent twist to it (head empty as u said)

True that. I am loving this work for kinda exploring things that can go wrong. Like nothing wrong with approaching loners to make them feel included. But here we explore what can go wrong, Nothing wrong with having a bubbly personality and reading the room the way Suzuki does. Well this will show you what can go wrong. Nothing wrong with having a different persona in school or dating someone not entirely having feelings for them. As teens we did overthink a lot and made mountains out of molehills. We were overly concerned with image or I was at least.. so I like that they add the additional drama here

Are we ever going to get the full picture of what happened between Koyun and Igarashi at some point because I still have questions? There was a lot of harassment and verbal abuse but then someone in this episode said something happened between them at her house which I assume to mean sex. I doubt that actually happened, but was there some sort of assault? Do you know exactly what happened between them?

It's honestly a bit early for me to have any decisive feelings about Minato at this point in the show (not a manga reader). He certainly has a grating, self-righteous (sanctimonious as the show put it, great word choice lol) attitude that can absolutely be polarizing to others, as shown this episode. In ep 2 (maybe 1) where he gets a mini monologue while being broken up with, it does seem like his actions and words come from a place of genuine curiosity and care. The issue is, just as Miki said to him in this episode, he has no idea how awful it can make someone feel when they are being "pitied". He clearly has a "I can fix her, I can include her" mentality that crosses the line more often than not, which leads him to churning through relationships. The end of this episode, to me, seems like he chose the worst words possible to comfort someone without fully grasping just how crushing their experience was. The reading I got from him was Igarashi may (well probably) have said some not so great things about Koyuki which led him to pick up on the hints that Koyuki was a douche to her. I'm gonna giving him the benefit of the doubt here (for now). Did he overstep? Absolutely. Was it a terrible choice of words? Double absolutely. But I am willing to go with just plain pure ignorance and lack of tact. He doesn't fully understand the situation (he obviously correctly interpreted Koyuki's feelings about Igarashi last episode when the walls went up, hence his comment at the end of this episode) and was falling back to his automatic "I can fix this" mentality. Sorry, that was longer than I expected lol.

It was not "openly shitty". He is pushing on a touchy subject, but as you said yourself, he doesn't know how touchy it really is. His intentions were good and he went too far because he was being ignorant, which isn't unexpected from a high-schooler. While Koyuki's reaction was understandable, it was not warranted, which is also not unexpected from a high-schooler. You are not justified in being rude just because someone doesn't fully understand your situation, especially when you are not willing to let them understand. It's not a black and white, right or wrong situation.

He is pushing on a touchy subject, but as you said yourself, he doesn't know how touchy it really is When you know something is a touchy subject, but don't know much about it, that's on you if you decide to see if this is a landmine. His intentions were good I don't think the dude that imagines himself with a lockpick so that he can forcibly open people up if the keys don't work is doing this from the goodness of his heart. Everything that we've seen indicates this is just an extension of his saviour complex and that he's doing this for himself, not her. You are not justified in being rude Him constantly prying into her life even when he's been told not to is far more rude, it's just not a loud rude. What she did is honestly pretty tame. She could have been more polite about it. I don't think she owed him that though. Ultimately I think that there's a lot of room for this to work really well narratively though, and just getting something more passive wouldn't be particularly interesting. Like, the long term outcome on Minato's character is pretty obvious, and I think this is necessary as an inciting incident to actually get there. You could write it to have even more build up to maybe make it 120% justified to light him up, but I don't think that does enough to really make it worthwhile.

They have more or less established a four man friend-group. When you’ve just started hanging out, it’s not weird to try and extract information to learn more about each other. As soon as Minato noticed that Koyuki was uncomfortable with the topic, he tried to deviate from it. As I said, he was being ignorant but he made an effort to not upset her even if it didn’t work out. And sure, Minato even acknowledged that Mikki’s criticism of his savior complex was justified, but he also said that it was different this time. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in that he was telling the truth. Koyuki’s anti-social behavior is understandable to us, the viewers, but to strangers in the show it just comes off as her being rude. No one has explicitly told Minato to not try and get Koyuki to come out of her shell other than Mikki, and even then it was more or less left up in the air after their conversation this episode. Calling someone disgusting for being nosy with no ill-intent is definitely unwarranted, at least in my book.

They have more or less established a four man friend-group. I don't think they have. Like narratively sure, that's where this certainly feels like the end-game, but even in the interactions we've been seeing, she's open to Miki and Yota, and very defensive with Minato. This isn't a balanced friend group where everyone has pretty equal dynamics. I guess this is just a difference of social expectations, but for the past four episodes he's been far more rude to her than she was to him here. But it's been a "polite" rude whereas her actions here aren't. But from my perspective the scales are still pretty out of whack. She gave him two harsh lines of "drop this now, we aren't friends". And frankly, Lockpick McGee probably needs that to realize that his complex is a problem.

She is defensive towards him because he reminds her of people from her past, which is not his fault. He is friends with both Mikki and Yota so it would be kinda messed up to exclude him for Koyuki's sake. I think we have a differing opinion of how "bad" what Minato is doing is. Because while his savior complex is not a good motivator, from most people's point of view (in the show) he is being considerate and kind. In my opinion he isn't rude unless you know his motivations. The kind of "prying" he is doing isn't necessarily bad, to most people it's just small talk/trying to start conversations combined with an interest in another person. And as I said, he explained that his motivations were different this time, which I choose to believe. I guess this is just a difference of social expectations Yeah I guess. And I do agree that this will serve as a good indicator for him to try and fix his savior complex.

Honestly? Not sure yet. Most of this is from Koyuki's POV, with all the negative assumptions she has about Minato and her imagining the worst possible interactions he could have had with Igurashi. It could have been completely normal small-talk, but she thinks that Minato knows everything (whatever everything is, besides the bullying that took place in part because of Igurashi.) Like obviously she has her own reasons to do so, her own history makes her think any conversation about her is bad news and with bad intentions. But... it could've been completely innocent as well, we won't know until we see Minato's side of the story of the conversation with Igurashi.

Regardless of what Minato knows about Koyuki's experiences, it's abundantly clear by how she shuts down that she's uncomfortable talking about it, but Minato believes he can ram right through her walls and get her to open up, when in reality all he's doing is making her build her walls up higher. Minato feels drawn to quiet people because he thinks he's helping them, and in the past thats been true because what those people wanted was someone to accept them and be interested in them, but that was never going to work here because Koyuki specifically wants to be left alone and is careful about who she let's in and Minato has yet to prove he can be trusted

See, I'm not sure it is clear to outsiders. He only tried broaching the topic once before, while walking to school, and her silence is the norm, not an exception. She was internally panicking, but outwardly I don't think it showed. Her past experience with bullying probably made her really good at hiding how she's really feeling. He certainly didn't notice any difference in her from before and after he mentioned Igarashi that first time, though of course the audience could. I think there was a more panicked or emotional reaction this time, and he caught it - but too late.

Koyuki finally exploded since Minato has been constantly stepping on her landmines. It is kinda ironic though that the thing that finally triggered her was Minato trying to show consideration and steer the topic away from middle school, instead of continuing probing. Did he actually hear something from Igarashi, or was it just him taking Miki's words to heart. And Koyuki's history with Igarashi, starting to see why she is so guarded. Must have been tiring to be involved with the popular guy at school and being subject to constant teasing/gossiping/bullying. As for Miki, she said something about hurting Koyuki in the past, and Igarashi was surprised that she would attend a highschool so far away from home. I guess she's trying to be in the same school as Koyuki either to attone for something or protect her?

It is kinda ironic though that the thing that finally triggered her was Minato trying to show consideration and steer the topic away from middle school, instead of continuing probing. There's that but in this instance the only reason Minato was able to realise Koyuki wouldn't want to talk about it is because he went over her head and heard it from a third party. Especially so when they've spoken a bit about Igarashi before and Minato probably could have intuited that Koyuki and Igarashi did not have a good relationship in middle school. I think that's the layer Koyuki is operating on, at least. She's trying so hard to control what information people have about her and how people see her so Minato skipping over her to find things out about her is going to make her blow up like this. To her it's probably worse than him trying to 'pry' information out of her.

As someone who was picked on and didn’t want the past brought up or pitied, minato said everything wrong - learned about her past and is now actively pitying her. It’s the worst feeling in the world. Don’t know if this is the direction the author meant for it to feel, but it is the worst feeling in the world for someone to find out how you were bullied in the past and then even worse to be actively pitied for it (which is the whole reason she doesn’t want to get close as well).

How is he being pushy and annoying if the mc never tells them anything. Oh and how would he know if she was uncomfortable with the subject matter or uncomfortable with him? Mind you in this case she was always uncomfortable with the subject matter. Not that you would want to actually see her character and understand her feelings when you are too busy thinking YOU would find him annoying if someone in real life did the same. And there are just as many people who think they have no problem with his approach. It isn't one sho fits all so communication is important or the world would be a dull place where people would be too afraid to make a move due to the expectation that they should be able to read minds

He is projecting on to her, take the conversation at the restaurant, he felt that she would feel left out of the conversation so he tried to drag her into it. Whereas if she wanted to she could have joined into the conversation, it's not like they were excluding her. And he keeps prying into her life, if she wanted to tell him about her past ahe would. You can't force people to open up to you. And now at the end of the episode she is clearly communicating that she dislikes busybodies and gossips, and that he has put himself square into that category.

Yes he is projecting that she might be feeling left out it is wrong but it comes from a place of misunderstanding not assholery. Having completely different worldviews as people. Also no he isn't asking about her past at all. Sorry but things like which middle school you went or oh I know this guy who went to the same middle school do you know him? Or oh yeh the guy we talked about last time when I met you in the morning came yesterday.. These are subjects trying to find common ground, not prying. Especially in this episode. He doesn't have a clear understanding of boundaries. Sure. But at the end of the day bringing up a guy who was super popular and went with you to middle school in most cases is a safe topic. Especially since Hikawa never told him she dislikes the guy or doesn't want to talk. All she had to do was say I don't like talking about Middle school. But she didn't. What she said was a bit too much especially because SHE doesn't know if Minato asked Igarashi about her or what they talked about at all. She is coming from a place of misunderstanding and trauma when Minato is not doing anything like the people in the past.

I've never told anyone to their face that they disgust me but I can relate to Koyuki at the end 100%. Very interested too see how Minato reacts to this. From Igarashi's reaction when he was asked about Hikawa I feel like maybe he feels guilty about whatever went down between them in middle school. Also, I'll never get tired of the ending playing over the last scene of the episode, I think it worked even better today with Koyuki finally snapping.

nah i admit that minato was too pushy about wanting to know about hikawa but come on man, what do you want that poor dude to do? Idk if he already knows abt her middle school situation or just figured it out from his talk with igarashi, but he was trying to be considerate. Hikawa just lives in her own little ahh world and immaturely took it out on to him. Well they are children so this will happen, but still I would like this to be more maturely handled in the upcoming episodes.

yeah i get that, but what i meant is that her reasoning for not wanting to talk to them isnt sound. Its not like shes a fully fledged adult with no issues just choosing not to talk to X person. Koyuki is scared and deeply traumatized by what happened, which is clearly something shes meant to overcome by opening up to people more. Not wanting to talk to people is not a character flaw in general but it certainly is a part of her flaw

Problem is she doesn't really open up. The reason she is chill with the other guy is because the other guy isn't curious about her at all. Doesn't say anything or ask anything first. And if you only need that kind of person in your life then you are actually not improving. I don't think the point of her character is opening up to the one particular guy. It is about overall being a better person. For which she needs to be challenged. Yes Minato being pushy is part of it but another really big reason is how she sees Minato as an extension to the popular guy she knows from Middle school and literally overthinks everything he says. Minato is pushy but at the same time Hikawa is overthinking and assuming the worst out of him. Which imo is not nice

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Sad thing being he was actually trying to be considerate and drop the subject Yeah, he just wanted something to talk to her about. But since she has no hobby, as far as he's aware, then middle school is really the only part he really knows. "Hey! How is your brother?" "My brother died 4 years ago." "... How is your... Mother?" "She has cancer." "Fuck. I really pick the wrong subject to talk about huh..."

Well, the issue with Minato is that he also seems to afraid of talking about things he likes. We still don't know anything about him. For example, he asked Koyun what she does in her free time, but what does he do? What does he enjoy? That is the topic he should go for here, because it would also remove that air around him that Koyun is afraid of. But for some reason, he is also very cautious of what he reveals about himself.

This is not a knock against your approach at the end there, but I couldn't help but think I'd be talking to a child in kindergarten if I said "What do you do in your free time? I go and watch sports." Lol Self-social lubrication is pretty difficult to do without feeling...cringy?..., especially with someone who is as reserved like Koyun. I think it would be best to try and roll her into an already active conversation between multiple people instead of putting her on the spot. The issue is, Minato is becoming so self conscious about the fact that she will talk to Miko and Yato just fine but won't to him.

I don't see it as talking to child at all. In fact, it sounds more normal to me than constantly asking questions, which reminds me more of elder relatives asking you about your school/work/friends/romantic partners/when you'll get married and have kids, while you're trying to get them off your back by answering curtly but not rudely. Idea with active conversation is fine, but he can just listen passively to it just to find out possible common topics with Koyun, and only then start talking to her.

Maybe this needs a bit more layers. I am not saying you have to start like that. But the problem for Minato is clearly that his usual approach of just asking questions isn't working out. Of course, he doesn't know exactly why, but just repeating that idea is not helping you either. And a big aspect of his is that he is not revealing much about himself. The crux of the issue is that it is hard for another person to open up to you if you are not willing to open up yourself. Of course, there are different ways to do that. You don't have to do it this exact way. It's just the easiest one. The better one is obviously to just "show" the other person what you like. If you notice that they don't want to share much about themselves, bring a book yourself that you like reading and just read it while you hang out together. Similarly, you can also just invite people to do things with you, for example watch sports together. The point here isn't actually for them to take the invite, but them learning something what you like to do. And of course, this is always very dependent on who you are talking to. Koyun is clearly not like the other lonely people Minato talked to where he could just ask questions. But considering that all of his relationships have been broken up and the last one said he is missing a sense of self implies to me that Minato never actually opened up to anyone about what he likes. So even if it was enough to just "ask questions" he should have learned by now that a relationship can only hold for longer if both sides share something about themselves. So that should be the first thing he has to fix, otherwise he can't get on an equal ground with Koyun.

Not anecdotes, but just making it more open. As I've written in another comment. Don't just ask what the other person likes to do. Ask the question and add "I like to do X" as this gives the other person a feeling what they are talking about. And especially if it's a more shy person, that "x" should be something funny or even slightly embarrassing. Just to give them the feeling that you are not asking to make fun of them.

I think you're right, at least in the sense that he should try different angles of attack. It's like, he's tried breaching through the Ramparts of Ice using trebuchets so far, but maybe the right answer is to tunnel underneath them? Or idk, constructing a giant wooden horse and offering it as a gift or something? I highly doubt that what you're suggesting would work, but there's certainly no harm in trying.

I mean, I can kinda get it as well. If I don't feel comfortable with a person yet or think it's regular small talk, you bet I'm giving non-committal answers at first. Sure, I'm older now so I'll also throw in some potential hooks to see if there's any possible connection or desire for a real conversation, but... answering "not much" has also gotten me away from conversations I really don't feel like having

I dunno if his talk with Igarashi really revealed much about what happened but he did seem to have the impression that middle school was hard for her which is why he spun that "don't worry, high school will totally be better!" spiel. Which, while well-meaning, is just more signs he can't just leave her well enough alone and if he did get "gossip" from Igarashi, that's even more reason to reject him. She's just so tired of drama and people meddling in her life.

To be fair, it was like... three sentences, wasn't it? I'm pretty certain a large portion of this is Koyuki's thought process. The only things he said (subbed) was "By the way, Igarashi was here yesterday. But you're not interested in him, are you? I mean, you weren't all that close with him, were you? Was Igarashi quite the prominent figure in middle school?" "Yeah, I guess you could say that..." "Yeah? I had a hunch he might have been." Awkward pause for a few seconds. "I'm sorry, maybe we should give middle school a rest, there's plenty of new memories to make right here in high school." I wouldn't say this is "kept going on about it," this is a pretty standard "Oh, I met this person you knew before, is my impression of him correct? Yeah?" and then he basically goes immediately towards dropping it. Sure, he didn't have to say he was dropping it, that's an unforced error to be certain but... this is within normal bounds of conversation especially if he doesn't actually know this is a potentially a land mine for her.

I dont think the reaction he got was deserved. She is putting all that bullying she had in the past and putting that on him when that isnt what is actually happening. Yes he is tactless in ways, but she never told him to stop. I understand she is shy but you have to tell ppl that what they do makes u uncomfortable or else they will never know. If she stated to him about her boundaries before I would understand the reaction more. But because she never stated them she is over reacting a little bit, because she is making a lot of assumptions about him and thats not fair to him either. I rather think of this situation as they both are wrong and both could have done something to avoid this situation from happening. And both need to learn.

But the problem here is, it seems she only has a problem with him and no one else. And the reason for that is he reminds her of Igarashi. She assumed he and Igarashi gossipped about her, she assumed he is like the past gossipers who only talk about others for entertainment. None of which is actually true as we got from Minato's character. He has a genuine interest. It is fine if Hakawa does not reciprocate that interest but she should not be making assumptions about him. From the very first episode Minato triggered her trauma it seems.. It does seem like a long time coming and I do agree Minato does need the reality check that some people does not want to be bothered

I don't agree that she has only problem with him because he's like Igarashi. She's friends with Miki because Miki was friends with her forever, and still is, and she became friends with Yota because Yota is very easygoing and chill. Otherwise she simply defaults to not bothering with people. Minato is basically stranger to her, and unlike Yota he's annoying, and likes to explore people which when not straight up annoying, is just tiring kind of interaction for her. She doesn't have much reason to not have a problem with him.

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That's exactly it. In basically every interaction between them Koyuki has given him "subtle-but-not-so-subtle" signals that she doesn't really want to talk with him, and we've gotten his internal dialogue where he recognizes these signals, but his response is always to go "I should keep talking to her." He has no respect for her boundaries or feelings and is just trying to "get her out of her shell" just so he can feel a sense of accomplishment. Just to clarify, I do NOT think he's a bad person. I think he's just a kid who's never learned how to properly interact with others. I'm hopeful that being called out by both Miki and Koyuki back-to-back will finally get him to step back and realize his mistakes and he'll be able to learn how to be a genuine friend.

Yeah, I just today happened across the image of him with the keys in his hands and realized that he also had a lockpick. That addition of the lockpick is so good - at first he tries a few keys that look like they should work but they don't fit... Then he started to try and pick the lock instead. While the whole locksmith persona is worrisome, at least when he has the key he is using the legitimate tool to allow a person to open up. In this case he can't find the key so he's just trying to break in, and unsurprisingly it causes pain.

I'm not condoning Minato's ignorance or lack of tact, but it is definitely difficult to navigate people's "subtle but not so subtle" hints about something. A lot of the time this exact sequence of events happens, where the hint dropper blows up because they haven't expressed their actual feelings. Minato saying (paraphrasing here) "Middle school sucked for you, let's move on and look ahead" was basically his way of trying to convey to her that "hey, I get it now, I won't bring it up again" (which is also a terrible thing to say to someone who doesn't want to talk about it, but still). At least the silver lining here is that usually in these types of scenarios, the "ice" (ba-dum-psh) gets broken as it finally provides some context to both parties about their feelings.

Well, I was referring to the fact that the statement that really set her off was the one about middle school. He was realizing that he should stop talking about it and was trying to drop it, but in the process stepped on a different landmine. I don't disagree that his continued pursuit of the Igarashi was insensitive. If she had lashed out one question earlier it would have been justified and I wouldn't have said this.

I wonder if Koyuki and Igarashi were originally friends, maybe they connected over Basketball. But then social pressure and rumors destroyed that friendship, with particularly Igarashi starting to reject Koyuki as a person as a kind of self defense mechanism because he didn't want to lose his social standing in class. My guess is that it's a painful subject for him too based on his reaction when Minato brought Koyuki up, and the fact that Minato afterwards knew that he maybe shouldn't bring up middle school to Koyuki

Proud of Miki for calling out Minato on approaching Kohyun because of a poor you attitude and good on Minato for apologizing and being honest on why he approached Miki and how he sees her now. Handled it the way he should have handled his girlfriend breaking up with him in episode 1 and good on him for that. He was getting better so I don’t blame him for Kohyun lashing out on him at the end. I don’t think its either’s fault: Minato doesn’t know about Kohyun’s experience and he tried to change the topic when he finally realized she was uncomfortable and Kohyun has so much trauma from how horrible everyone was too her in middle school and I can’t blame her for closing herself from everyone after that.

Honestly I feel like Miki and Minato needed to have that conversation for a long time. Re-confirming that their friendship was genuine seems to have genuinely patched up their actual friendship even if Miki (with good reason) still wants him to stay away from Koyuki. I'm curious if either Miki or Yota will try to patch things up between Koyuki and Minato. I feel like they'd be the only ones who could help her understand that Minato at least meant well or Miki could finally explain to Minato what happened to Koyun in middle school.

Still can’t find myself to dislike Minato tbh. And this is coming from someone who can relate to Koyun a lot. I just think Minato himself isn’t aware of the effects of his own tendencies seeing as he’s only realizing from Miki that some people don’t like to be pitied. I just think their approach to people are complete opposites (heh) but it’s not like they can easily say “hey this is how I prefer to approach or not approach social situations”. It’s just unfortunate cos he keeps stepping on Koyun’s feet. Also, Minato’s approach does kinda remind me of Honey Lemon Soda’s ML the way he goes for lonely girls but that felt a bit more…”slimy”? While Minato’s just felt like the “come join us it’s gonna be fun” type

I can't dislike Minato because that will turn me into a clinically depressed Koyun... Its not fun having a savior complex, being extremely aware and paranoid of it, having a smidge of empathy that you can't turn down people asking for help and accidentally "absorb" their negative energy, and have personal problems on top of that in first year highschool--- If I will pattern Minato based on my read of the character and my experience, I feel like he's a broken vase that's perpetually empty and the only refill he can get is to "be of help" and thus have a pathologic savior complex. Reaching a maturity point that allows you to see "locks" and allows you to be a locksmith can get you into the groove of self-satisfaction. Helping people as proxy to an empty loneliness will get addicting and unhealthy... then you indeed lose a sense of self and can only really function by "being that guy people run to for advice".

As somebody who is a Koyuki myself I can't dislike Minato either. Yes, I find him kind of annoying because I can relate to Koyuki a lot and I find this kind of meddling pretty tiring myself. But I can also tell that Minato doesn't mean ill. He radiates a naivite with his savior complex, he just can't read the room very well and he doesn't know when his meddling is too much. I think this also becomes clear from Koyuki, because it took her quite a while before she finally snapped, and it was when Minato really crossed a red line.

I feel like people have this misconception that extroverts are just naturally better at socializing and reading people. The same way people think all introverts are shy and hate people. Just like how introverts grow weary, restless around people and interaction, extroverts feel that way through the opposite, solidarity. Just like how introverts “rest” by being alone, extroverts “rest” by being around people. Can’t fault either for trying to get some rest but extroverts’ methods are often more ostracised since it involves other people’s spaces. So Minato is also probably trying to rest and is roping other people to rest with him. But like I mentioned earlier he seems to not have the people skills or awareness to realize not everyone functions like him

I don't think the issue with Minato is his approach in general. But with the way he tries to keep the conversation going. For example, it's not a bad thing to involve Koyun into the conversation. But the how is the problem. Last episode showed this very well. Minato is just looking for potential subjects and then just asks Koyun about it. He doesn't do this because he is a bad person, but because he isn't willing to share anything of himself so far. Which makes the conversation with him feel very superficial. Like a bit more complex than "How is the weather today?" but with the same intent. I think, if he would just be a bit more outgoing and try to start a conversation about topics he himself enjoys, it would also feel way easier for Koyun.

I agree. I dont dislike Minato either. The show shows he is well intended and even when we r in his head there is never a malicious thought he has. He is just a bit of a baboon and doesn't see that he is stepping on Koyuns toes. But I believe Koyun has to tell him. I relate to Koyun more as well. Because I was the one that would get so offended when a friend would keep doing something that I didn't like, but I never told them! Setting boundaries with ppl is hard but Koyun gotta learn to do that because putting all her past trauma onto him is unfair. And Minato needs to learn that ppl need time to open up and feel comfortable around u, he needs to be patient with ppl. Let them get to know u before u before you try to get to know ow them but he doesn't know him. This is very much two very different ppl but they r misunderstanding each other hard core lol.

As someone who have the burden from the past that just want to move on, Minato is fucking annoying. Especially since we have confirmation that Minato is interest in Koyun is different than how his savior complex normally work. It so insulting, infuriating and as Koyun said disgusting for him to bring up Igarashi and then try to change the subject when it made him uncomfortable. If he heard anything from Igarashi he should not bring it up, not only that knowing how Koyun pretend to not know him should have been a clue to not bring him again to conversation. Honestly he seems like always hit a good option in conversation and have 0 boundrary with everyone and he really need a wake up call that there is boundrary to social interaction and everyone have different way to handle it.

As someone who also has things from the past I’d rather not talk about, I also think communicating that is important. They don’t know your past. And it’s unfair to assume everyone who asks is some busybody. While, yes demeanor, reactions and body language are all tells, the best way to get your point across is communication. Like even a simple “yeah but I don’t really like talking about it” would suffice. Of course if they’re still pushing after that, then they’re just purposely trying to cross a clear line that you’ve drawn and that is just plain annoying and disrespectful. But if you draw a blurry line, don’t be surprised when someone with blurry vision crosses it

The main problem Minato is because he keep doing that shit even if the other people feel uncomfortable. Then when he doesn't feel uncomfortable he ran away, not because the other feel uncomfortable. Like in this episode alone Youta also accidentally make Koyun uncomfortable by talking about the basket club, and then he stop. But Minato instead saying sorry or stop the conversation, or i don't know maybe acknowledge that Koyun uncomfortableness and maybe ask about the stuff from Koyun herself, he moved the conversation like it didn't happen and because he can't handle the heat. I'm would like him if he try to hear what Koyun want to say, but he running away because the situation is not going in his favor, even tho he is the one who baited the shit of Koyun. Its a disrespectful, at best and again disgusting if he did it on pupose.

Oh he did not stop the conversation, he pretend it didn't exist, chalk it up saying past doesn't matter and the saying lets see the bright future we can make, even tho he is the one who bringing it up. He came out as undermining the bottled up emotion that Koyun have. He can just say, sorry and ask if he make her uncomfortable, and then move on without saying shit like lets make better memories and some shit. Would respect him more if he actually care and ask, what really happen and show actual interest in Koyun as a person. It just the way talking is void from any emotion, that only being good for the sake being good, making conversation for making conversation and doesn't really care about the content of said conversation.

That is really weird. You are comparing him to Yota but Yota also pretty much didn't dig further didn't even ask her about anything. Minato just realized Middle school is a bad topic. Wouldn't a normal person try to change the topic rather than making the person answer whether she is uncomfortable when she clearly is? Wouldn't that be putting her in the spot? At least to me, changing the topic is kinder that directly asking someone to confirm when they might not be comfortable with admitting they are uncomfortable. Hikawa's problem was when Minato realized Middle school was a bad topic she suspected he heard about her from her past bully Igarashi and lashed out.

Its not contradictory, it mean if you bait someone, don't suddenly change the subject. He suddenly change the subject to eyy maybe let's not talk about the past and let's make new memories after he feel the tension from Koyun. If he really care about Koyun, i will respect him more if he actually ask Koyun of the what actually happened in her middle school instead. Like there showing care and interest that putting yourself in uncomfortable to learn about the other people better. But what he did is showing a shallow "oh let me hear more about you" but actually when he the one who can't handle the shit, he just gave up and move on. What he did is just nasty. Just like when all his girlfriend dump him, instead confronting them to better and change himself, i think he feel that the break up is better for him and the other people. The fucked up thing he is not a bad guy, he is doing good thing but he just want all the good vibe and bad vibe(only if he feel it) is a no no. The way he approach socializing is just he lack of sincerity and emotion. Also im actually agree with most of your first comment, i trying just explain why people would hate him.

Wait are you talking about the end of the episode ? Did I misunderstand what happened ? Cos the way I see it he was trying to stop prying cos I assumed Igarashi told him what happened. Before this he didn’t know and he didn’t pick up how bothered she was by the topic. Now that he found out, he went to tell her he won’t be prying anymore cos he put two and two together. I don’t think he was “baiting” anything

I don't even think Igarashi even told him anything, i think this is a setup for Koyun misunderstanding the situation. What i mean by baiting, is Minato keep trying to ask Koyun about her past, and of course its a very normal thing to do especially for starting conversation, it just the fact that she barely answer should've been a code that she is not into those kind of conversation. Also im pretty sure Minato know that Koyun is uncomfortable with all his conversation because he can clearly see the different on how Koyun act around him and around Youta. What i mewn by baiting the way he keep bringing back the conversation about the middle school and even Igarashi. Then suddenly turn 180 to oh let's focus on the bright future after he finally feel "oh this is bad" is such a scummy move in my eyes and probably Koyun. First of all i know this is because he just don't like bad vibes, but for Koyun what he talked before is a reminder of her past that still haunt her, and the sudden bad felt like "oh yea what happened must be bad for you, haha but hey i can make your life better" kind of vibe. Its's like undermining all her trauma as a just small convinence. Not to mention this kinda implied that despite he know something he still talking about it at just doing it to hirt Koyun. Which imo is not the case, i think he doesn't know what actually happened yet(at least how bad it is for Koyun). So yea Koyun snap and called it disgusting, because it kinda like he violating her privacy, playing with her emotion. Like if he really care that she felt uncomfotable, he asking should said sorry what bothering her after he brought that all up, and or say sorry and move conversation to a normal daily live conversation like what their next lesson will be, when the next study together or like dumb tv show.