ptd163
Going from "You and I are Polar Opposites" to this feels like entering an alternate universe where the atmosphere is reversed. It kinda seems like this is what we would've gotten if Taira was the MC, was a girl, and never met Suzuki and her friends. Miki, Minato, and Giraffe Guy will probably break down her wall eventually, but not as fast as Suzuki would. That girl is a force of nature.
「君と僕とは正反対だ」からこの作品に移ると、まるで大気が逆転したパラレルワールドに迷い込んだ感覚だな。もし平が主人公で女の子で、鈴木とその友人たちに出会わなかったら、こんな作品になっていたんじゃないかという考察ができる。ミキ、ミナト、キリンの彼が最終的には彼女の壁を壊すだろうけど、鈴木ほど早くはないだろう。あの子は自然の力そのものだよ。考察くん
Zemahem
Suzuki's personality has similarities to Miki's and wears her heart on her sleeve, so she does seem like someone Koyuki would get along with. But honestly, who wouldn't Suzuki be a good friend for? She and her gang would also be a lot more sensitive towards Koyuki's feelings and boundaries than the people she's had to deal with in middle-school.
鈴木の性格はミキと似てて感情がストレートに出るタイプだから、小雪と仲良くなれそうだよね。でも正直、鈴木と友達になれない人っているの?彼女とそのグループは、小雪が中学で関わってきた人たちよりずっと相手の気持ちや距離感に配慮しそうだし。普通くん
Frontier246
Though Koyuki's also got some Azuma vibes.
ふむ、小雪殿には東の気配も感じるでござるな。武士
Nachtwandler_FS
Yeah, she is like a mix of both. I just hope the whole thing won't end with a love polygon.
確かに、両方の要素が混ざってる感じだね。ただ、これが複雑な恋愛関係で終わらないことを願うよ。普通くん
CitronClassic672
Funnily enough because of the authors previous romance heavy story I went through the entire episode wondering who the love interest for Koyumi would be here, and so far all three are on the table honestly.
面白いことに、作者の過去作が恋愛重視だったから、今回もコユミの相手役は誰になるのか気になって全話見てしまったよ。現時点では3人全員が候補として残ってるという考察ができるな。考察くん
frik1000
Just a heads up, Ramparts of Ice was their first work with Polar Opposites coming later. So taking cues from Polar Opposites to retrofit into Ramparts may not always work out.
確かに!「氷の城壁」はPolar Oppositesより前の作品なんだよな。だからPolar Oppositesの要素をそのまま当てはめるのは無理があるってことか。なるほどな〜感情くん
xnef1025
My vote is for Mr Giraffe because the associated flashback will always be hilarious.
ワイはキリンさんに一票やわwww
あのフラッシュバックはいつ見ても草生えるンゴwww2ちゃん
Sakakidash
Its quite obvious its already decided who is the interest 😛
もう決まってる相手が誰かは明らかだよね😛普通くん
Toge_Inumaki012
This is on netflix right?are the subs good cos as far as i know netflix eng subs are not good i think.
これNetflixにあるやつだよね?字幕ちゃんとしてる?Netflixの英語字幕ってあんま良くないイメージあるんだけどな…感情くん
lartkma
It kinda seems like this is what we would've gotten if Taira was the MC I don't know... based on we have seen so far in the Polar Opposites anime, and what we have seen in this episode, whatever Taira experienced in middle school doesn't come close to what Koyuki went through
これ見てると、もしTairaが主人公だったらこんな感じになったんちゃうかなって思うわ…わからんけど。今までのPolar Oppositesアニメと今回のエピソード見る限り、Tairaが中学で経験したことなんてKoyukiの経験に全然敵わへんやろ。2ちゃん
raspberry_vodkaaa
hey can u tell if this is a love triangle?
これって三角関係なのかな?教えてくれない?普通くん
Striking-Fig7333
It's not a love triangle in the sense that you don't know who the MC is interested in. When she starts loving, it's very clear. However, there are many misunderstandings about people's feelings towards each other that cause complications. So we (readers) know very clearly everyone's feelings, but the characters absolutely don't and misunderstand.
この作品の三角関係は、MCが誰に興味があるか分からないという意味ではないんだよな。彼女が恋を始めるとき、それは非常に明確に描かれる。しかし、互いに対する感情に多くの誤解が生じ、それが複雑さを生んでいる。つまり、読者である我々は全員の感情をはっきり理解できるが、キャラクターたちは全く気づかず誤解している、という構造だと考察できる。考察くん
ptd163
If Ramparts of Ice is a love triangle? I don't know. I'm anime-only. If I had to guess though I don't think it will be.
ふむ…「氷の城壁」が恋の三角関係になるか、とな?某はアニメしか見ておらぬゆえ、確かなことは申せぬが…おそらくならぬであろう、と推察するでござる。武士
Joji1000
Not to mention Polar Opposites season 2 comes the season after this one as well, this author is getting a whole 3 quarters of the year to themself!
しかもその次のクールに『Polar Opposites』のシーズン2が来るってのもあるし、この作者は年間3クールも自分の作品で埋め尽くせるってことだね。普通くん
Ordinal43NotFound
If this show is also planned to be split cour, then we're getting a back and forth for the whole year lol
このアニメも分割2クール予定なら、1年交互に放送ってことかよ草www2ちゃん
Joji1000
There is a promo picture of Suzuki passing the baton to Hikawa, it'd be funny if they just kept passing it back and forth the whole year 😭
鈴木が氷川にバトンを渡すプロモ画像あるんだけどさ、一年中ずっとバトン投げ合ってたら笑えるのにな😭感情くん
CooroSnowFox
If Polar Opposite is a hint to what we're getting with their works, this is going to be amazing.
Polar Oppositeが示唆してるってマジ?
もしあれが今後の作品のヒントなら、ガチでやばいことになるンゴwww
期待しかないわ2ちゃん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
It might be a controversial opinion because Polar Opposite was highly praised and all, but so far I'm MUCH more into Ramparts of Ice!
確かに賛否ありそうだけど、俺は氷の城壁の方が断然好きだわ!普通くん
Kirosh2
Different kind of series for different people. You and I is a feel good romance. Mostly about romance and a group of friends. Rampart of Ice is a proper coming of Age story, that is much more serious.
確かに!「君と僕」はただただエモいラブコメで癒されるけど、「氷の城壁」はガチの成長物語でシリアス度が段違いすぎるッ!好み分かれるわ〜感情くん
Aggravating-Meet4436
Kinda reminds me of scum of brave and sentenced to be a hero. Same author but different vibes (still crazy both aired in the same season though) Sure this right after polar opposites is crazy but same season is crazier
確かに『勇者のクズ』と『英雄にされそう』思い出すな。同じ作者だけど雰囲気は違うよね(両方同じクールに放送されたのも狂ってるけど)。『極端な対比』の直後ってのもすごいけど、同じクールってのがもっとやばいわ。普通くん
Wishbone-Lost
same, it's more serious
それな、こっちの方がシリアスすぎるッ!感情くん
Hitman7128
To each their own, I find romcoms tend to have a lot of variance, both in my own scores for romcoms and how others score the same romcom. At least the one common denominator here is the character design, which I like
せやな、ラブコメってホンマに当たり外れあるわ。ワイの評価もバラバラやし、他人の評価とも合わんこと多いンゴwww でもせめてキャラデザだけは共通して好きやわ、それだけはガチ。2ちゃん
disrael2
Apples to oranges cause Polar Opposite started really strong and then fell back into the usual tropes. Ramparts is also starting very strong but let's see if it can avoid the usual fluff and admit that actual high schools aren't all about school trips and cultural festivals.
ふむ…『極北の対極』は序盤こそ強大なる力を放ちながら、やがて凡庸なる因習の罠に堕ちていった。されど『氷の城壁』もまた強き始まりを見せている…果たして、現実の学舎が修学旅行と文化祭のみにて成り立つものにあらずと、証明できるかどうか。中二病
ClemFire
Ramparts of Ice feels like more of a slow burn with Hikawa reminding me of a mix between Taira and Azuma.
氷の城壁は割とスローバーンな展開だな。氷川はタイラとアズマを足して割ったような印象を受けた。ドライおじ
DugACCat
The giraffe flashback really cracked me up. Super huge tall guy needs to wear his contacts if he’s going to otherwise be barreling into shorter people and looming down to squint into their faces from inches away.
キリンの回想シーン笑ったわ。あのでっかい男がコンタクトしないで短い人にぶつかって、顔を何センチまで近づけて睨みつけるってやばいだろ。普通くん
HornedTurtle1212
Or keep a.spare pair of glasses around.
まあ予備の眼鏡を持っておけばいいんじゃないか。ドライおじ
Mission_Wrongdoer623
(The Ramparts of Ice) and (You and I are Polar Opposites) are Polar Opposites
「氷の城壁」と「僕と君の反対の反対」は正反対だね普通くん
flybypost
But right now I'm more interested in how that guy was able to get about the whole day without his contacts. You look stuff up from your desk neighbour instead of the blackboard… and a lot of squinting.
今のところワイが気になるのは、あいつがどうやって1日中コンタクトなしで過ごせたかってことやわwww 黒板見ずに隣の席のやつからノート見たり…めっちゃ目細めてたし草2ちゃん
Shantotto11
The author must be doing a victory lap right now seeing both works animated. Weird how it happened twice too. The author of Sentenced to be a Hero is also the pen behind Scum of the Brave .
マジで作者様、両方アニメ化されて完全に勝ち確じゃん!しかも2回もやばくね!?「勇者免職」の作者が「英雄のクズ」も書いてるんだってさ笑ギャル
Dibiero
лол, дропнул оба этих тайтла, прям не моё (слишком стар для этого..)
はは、両方とも途中で切っちゃったよ。どうも俺には合わなかったな(年取りすぎたのかもね…)普通くん
ThrowCarp
Going from "You and I are Polar Opposites" to this feels like entering an alternate universe where the atmosphere is reversed. The author must be doing a victory lap right now seeing both works animated (and animated well). Yeah the girl is the introvert and the boy is the extrovert. That said, the atmosphere was a lot heavier in this one.
「君と僕の極性反転」から本作へ移ると、まるで大気が逆転した別宇宙に入り込んだ感覚だな。両作品がアニメ化(しかも良質なクオリティで)されたのを見て、作者は今ごろ勝利のラップを回してるに違いない。確かに、今作では女子が内向的で男子が外交的という構図だが、それにしても雰囲気はずっと重かったと考察できる。考察くん
Arzhart
What I like is that even though the stories have different tones, you can clearly see the author traits. Like, they are very good in portraying different kind of personalities and ways of dealing/seeing the world
確かに、話の雰囲気は違っても作者の特徴がしっかり出てるのがいいよね。いろんなタイプの性格や世界の捉え方・向き合い方を描くのが上手だと思う。普通くん
Frontier246
But right now I'm more interested in how that guy was able to get about the whole day without his contacts. Also one of the rare times they acknowledge a character as wearing contacts.
確かにw コンタクトなしで一日過ごせるってすごくない?笑 あとキャラがコンタクトしてるって描写されるの珍しいよなwwwwおじ
finelinexcherry
my exact thoughts the versatility of the author is commendable and seeing a bit of suzuki in every character when it comes to the character design lowkey makes me smile so happy for the author this looks like a solid show
作者の引き出しの多さは本当に尊敬する。キャラデザにちょっとずつ鈴木っぽさが出てるの見ると、なんか勝手に嬉しくなるわ。この作品、いい感じになりそうで作者が本当に誇らしい。普通くん
Raymond49090
Oh, it’s the same author? I was wondering why the art styles looked so similar.
あ、同じ作者なんか!そら絵柄似てるわけやわwww2ちゃん
Zeallfnonex
But right now I'm more interested in how that guy was able to get about the whole day without his contacts. They mentioned once or twice it was a test day, so if he could get away with just staring at the test from like, 3 inches away...
今はむしろ、あの奴がどうやってコンタクトなしで一日中過ごせたのかが気になるんだよね。テスト日だったって何度か言ってたし、テストを3インチくらいの距離で見つめてればごまかせたのかな…普通くん
chhuang
Victory laps whole year, 3 seasons back to back to back
1年丸々勝利の余韻に浸って、3期連続放送とかガチで草生えるわwww2ちゃん
sidewinderaw11
I'm more interested in now that guy was able to get about the whole day without his contacts probably like this
あの人が一日中コンタクトなしで過ごせたってところが気になるな。たぶんこんな感じだったんだろうね普通くん
argent5
I have to say, what a great title. "Ramparts of Ice", goddamn, that's got some oomph in it. Whoever translated that ought to get a bonus.
「氷の城壁」ってタイトル、めっちゃカッコよくない!?「Ramparts of Ice」って響きも最高すぎるッ!訳した人、マジでボーナスもらっていいレベルだわ。感情くん
MapoTofuMan
How do romcoms always get the fire ideas like "Ramparts of Ice" and "Dangers in my Heart"... And then there's Sorcery Fight.
草www ラブコメってなんで「氷の城壁」とか「僕の心のヤバイやつ」みたいな神アイデア連発できるんや…
一方で呪術廻戦は… まあアレやな2ちゃん
detarameReddit
原文
To be entirely fair, Jujutsu Kaisen actually sounds pretty good if you know the original kanji. It's not written in a way that sounds everyday: not like " Sorcery Fight ." To roughly convey the idea: I would call the phrasing very archaic, especially for a battle shōnen series – by no means as straightforward as, say, My Hero Academia . This is largely because of the Kaisen part: 廻戦 is not an actual word, with its two kanji being an archaic one roughly having nuances of "revolve, continuous, drawn-out, walking around aimlessly," and a less archaic one roughly meaning "war, fight, battle." This might refer to JJK's nonstop action, or it might refer to the endless and tiring "war" that Jujutsu sorcerers go through. Of course, localizing this as "The Ever-Repeating Battles Involving Sorcery Techniques" would just be awful, and still does not capture much of the nuance.
確かに、漢字を知ってると「呪術廻戦」って結構深いんだよね。「廻戦」は実際の単語じゃなくて、「廻」には「巡る・続く・漫然と歩く」みたいな古いニュアンスがあって、戦いが延々と続く様子とか呪術師の終わらない戦いを暗示してるんだと思う。直訳すると「呪術を使った繰り返される戦い」みたいになってしまうけど、それだとニュアンスが伝わらないよね。普通くん
gamria
原文
This is largely because of the Kaisen part: 廻戦 is not an actual word, with its two kanji being an archaic one roughly having nuances of "revolve, continuous, drawn-out, walking around aimlessly," and a less archaic one roughly meaning "war, fight, battle." This might refer to JJK's nonstop action, or it might refer to the endless and tiring "war" that Jujutsu sorcerers go through. I'll explain a bit: in sports, a 回戦/Kaisen is used to describe the parts in a match where teams take turns going on offence and defence. Most obvious example is baseball when the two teams take turns on the two roles between each inning. Except for that series, the 回/kai is replaced with the more archaic 廻/kai . You can surmise the rest from here.
「廻戦」という表記自体が既に示唆的だな。一般的な「回戦」ではなく「廻」の字を使うことで、「漫然と巡り続ける戦い」というニュアンスが加わっている。これは呪術師たちが終わりのない消耗戦を強いられる構造と完全に符合する。スポーツの回戦のように交代制ではなく、一方的に呪霊と戦い続ける過酷さを表現していると考察できる。制作陣の意図が感じられる選択だ。考察くん
cheesecakegood
"Sorcerer's Strife", "War of the Warlocks", or "Cursemaster Crusade" are like right there and all at least a little better, "Endless Curse Battle" isn't like, horrific. But none of them are super catchy, that much is true. Not all languages have the exact same breadth of synonyms for all concepts, which is just one of many reasons why high-quality translation is surprisingly difficult.
「Sorcerer's Strife」とか「War of the Warlocks」、あと「Cursemaster Crusade」とか普通にあったやん、どれもマシやろ。「Endless Curse Battle」も別にひどくはないけどな。でもどれも超キャッチーってわけじゃないのは確かやな。つーか言語によって同義語の幅って全然違うし、良質な翻訳が意外と難しい理由の一つやろな。2ちゃん
NanDemoKnaives
I'm so glad that didn't stick lol.
あれが続かなくて本当によかったわ笑普通くん
Marik-X-Bakura
What sounds good in Japanese doesn’t always sound good in English, and vice versa
せやな、日本語でカッコよく聞こえても英語だと微妙やったり、その逆もあるンゴwww2ちゃん
zairaner
"Sometimes even reality is a lie!" is a title far too good and interesting to be used up on a fluff romance.
「『時には現実さえ嘘になる』ってタイトル、まじで良すぎじゃない!? なのにただのゆるふわ恋愛モノに使うなんてもったいなさすぎるって!笑」ギャル
MapoTofuMan
I wish that was an anime title.
それ、アニメのタイトルだったらいいのにね。普通くん
zairaner
Do NOT give up! Remember: Crossdressing will ALWAYS persevere in the end.
諦めんなって!覚えとけよ、女装は最後に必ず勝つんだからね!やばくない!?笑ギャル
Kirosh2
I believe the title comes directly from Japan, as Rampart of Ice was present on the cover when the series got a volume release. So I'm glad they kept that title.
確かに!原題の「Rampart of Ice」が単行本カバーに載ってたって話、知ってる。それをそのままタイトルに残してくれてマジで嬉しいッ!エモすぎる!感情くん
gamria
原文
Consider this: Japanese writers and publishers like to be fancy with their titles. So if the original Japanese isn't enough to distinguish themselves, come up with an English title too, in the "I know how to use English, I'm fancy!" manner. On one hand you have those who do good diligence and come up with neat titles that actually function in true English like "The Ramparts of Ice" and "Witch Watch". On the other hand, you have plenty of munted attempts, whether it's because the translation is too literal and have no idea what sounds good/unique/nuanced in English, or because they're tryhard. I'll put "Attack on Titan" under this category Without working with someone who actually have good command of English (like English localisers), it winds up being a roulette of what they come up with. (But even then, lazy English localisers can still come up with horrible ones like "Demon Slayer")
なるほど、興味深い考察だ。日本の制作陣は確かにタイトルに凝る傾向がある。原題だけでは差別化が難しい場合、「俺は英語を使いこなせるぜ」的なノリで英題を付けるケースが多い。一方で、「The Ramparts of Ice」や「Witch Watch」のように実際に機能する洗練された英題を生み出す者もいれば、直訳すぎて英語としての響きやニュアンスを無視した失敗作や、無理に格好つけた「Attack on Titan」のような例もある。結局、英語のネイティブ感覚を持つ人間(ローカライザー)と協力しないと、出来はガチャになりがちだ。ただ、ローカライザーが手抜きすると「Demon Slayer」みたいな酷い例も生まれるけどな。考察くん
CooroSnowFox
Yeah, its one hell of a title and says a lot...
草、タイトルがヤバすぎて草www
内容もそのまんまやんけ2ちゃん
Ordinal43NotFound
That music swelling up to the ED title drop gave me chills!
EDのタイトルが流れるところで音楽が盛り上がって鳥肌ヤバすぎるッ!感情くん
sombraala
Gave me a bit of 86 vibes. Considering the post-ED/credits scene here and the prevalence of them in 86, I wonder if they'll take a similar approach as 86 and the credits/ED is kind of a moment to process before giving just a little bit more.
86っぽい雰囲気があったな。ED後のシーンを見る限り、86みたいにクレジットやEDを消化の時間として使ってから、ちょっとだけ追加情報を出すって手法を取るのか気になるね。普通くん
Farmaceut7
Its pretty direct title based on Koyuki's characterization so far. Also, jouheki literally means castle wall which is what rampart is.
確かにタイトルめっちゃストレート!小雪のキャラ描写そのままだし、「城壁」って意味の「rampart」も「氷の城壁」で完璧に合ってる。エモすぎるだろこのタイトルセンスッ!感情くん
Frontier246
It's very effective, especially when seeing the effect of the ice walls Koyuki emotionally puts up around her.
草、氷の城壁って比喩ガチで効くわ。小雪が感情的に壁作る様子がマジで伝わってくるンゴwww2ちゃん
Zemahem
They did kinda cook for that one✍️🔥.
あの回、めっちゃアツかったッ!!✍️🔥 最高すぎる!感情くん
derekschroer
I mean, it's a literal translation...
せやな、直訳やろ…2ちゃん
FarCritical
The giraffe trauma is hilarious but weirdly makes sense for someone like Koyuki. Those necks can breach her ramparts without trying, after all. Are curry drinks actually a thing?
キリンのトラウマ笑えるんだけど、小雪みたいなキャラには妙に納得できるな。あの首なら城壁を簡単に突破できそうだし。カレードリンクって実際にあるの?普通くん
Kirosh2
It's Japan, so they have all sort of weird stuff.
日本だしな、何でもありだわwwwwおじ
Ordinal43NotFound
I follow JapanEat and what I've learned from him is that Japanese convenience stores and vending machines are the Wild West of flavors.
まじでそれ!JapanEat見てると日本のコンビニと自販機のフレーバーがカオスすぎて笑うww西部劇どころじゃねぇw感情くん
CooroSnowFox
experimenting with drinks can be a thing, and can see what it's trying... something along the lines of tomato juice but with flavours from India (cant imagine it being the Katsu one)
飲み物の実験って面白いよね。トマトジュースにインド風味を加えた感じかな?カツの方とはちょっと違う気がするけど、どんな味か気になるな。普通くん
Hot-Log6283
They even have self heating ones.
マジで!?自熱式のやつまであるの!?優勝すぎるッ!感情くん
derekschroer
Wakarimasu
わかる普通くん
zool714
原文
Ok pausing mid ep to comment this cos the multiple choice situation in her mind during a social interaction is too damn relatable. It’s kinda why I get so exhausted from socializing cos imagine having that many questions back to back to back as I try to figure out the correct response while still trying to manage eye contact ratio and picking up social cues, on top of actually trying to actually listen to what they’re saying. I have a feeling Koyuki will be my Taira of this show if that’s the kind of thoughts she has
エピソード途中で一旦止めて書いてるンゴwww ソーシャルインタラクション中に頭の中で選択肢が複数出てくる感じ、ガチで共感できすぎて草。これが原因で社交するとめっちゃ疲れるんやろな。目線の比率調整とか社会的合図拾いながら、相手の話ちゃんと聞こうとしたら、そんな質問が次々頭に浮かぶってわけや。小雪がこんな思考するキャラなら、このアニメのタイラ枠になる予感がするわ。2ちゃん
Frontier246
I also love how in the multiple choice she came off way cuter in her head than in actual execution lol.
確かに!選択肢で「頭の中ではめっちゃかわいくできた!」って思ってるのに、実際やると全然違うの笑えるじゃん!てかそのギャップがまたかわいいんだよね〜!ギャル
flybypost
That's what they call "resting ice queen face". The default interpretation from others seems to be some sort of aloof disinterest in the lives of commoners around her.
これが「氷の女王のデフォルト顔」ってやつか。周りからは「一般人に興味ないんだな」って冷たく見られちゃうやつ。しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
Zemahem
Wdym. That awkward smile she gave them was adorable.
いや何言ってんの。あの気まずそうな笑顔めっちゃ可愛かったじゃん。普通くん
Mission_Wrongdoer623
Sometimes, in real life, it’s not simply a multiple-choice question. It’s more like a quick-time event. If you respond too late, it’s also taken as a complete (sometimes wrong) answer. So far, most of the time, I end up regretting my decision when I’m hit with those unexpected quick-time events.
現実ってさ、単なる選択問題じゃないよな。むしろクイックタイムイベントみたいなもんや。反応遅れると、それだけで完璧な(時には間違った)答えとして処理されるンゴwww ワイも不意打ちのQTEくらうたびに、選択ミスって後悔してるわ…2ちゃん
flamethrower2
As seen in dating sims. "I choose neither" is a choice. Often the "wrong" choice but sometimes the "right" choice. It's often timed and automatically chosen for you, too. Sakura Wars series.
それな! 恋愛シミュあるあるだよね笑 「どっちも選ばない」って選択肢、基本ハズレだけどたまに正解だったりするじゃん? しかも制限時間つきで強制決定されたりするし。『サクラ大戦』シリーズとかまさにそれ!ギャル
Ordinal43NotFound
I love how Agasawa-sensei love doing this "deep dive" moments into a characters mindset in such detail lol.
阿笠先生がキャラの心情をああいう風に深掘りするの好きだわ笑 細かいところまで描き込むのほんと良いよね普通くん
Aggravating-Meet4436
Also pausing mid episode to comment my thoughts… “oh no eye contact—my worst enemy!” lmao, very relatable indeed
「エピソードの途中で一時停止して思わずコメントしちゃった…『あっ目が合った…俺の最大の敵!』ってwww めっちゃわかるわ〜」感情くん
NoHead1715
This is why I prefer turn-based games over real time strategy. Thinking and planning have to be free actions!
確かに、考える時間を自由に使えるターン制の方が、戦略ゲームより好きって気持ちわかるな。普通くん
RobinWiggie
Anime about to become as relatable as Bocchi. I can’t wait, I really like ep1
マジでボッチと同じくらい共感できるアニメになりそうじゃん!?もう待ちきれないんだけど、1話めっちゃ良かったし!!ギャル
ErebosGR
#justautisticthings
#justautisticthings
わかる~~~自閉症すぎるッ!感情くん
thisisdropd
原文
Not a single decent person in middle school. Little wonder Koyuki had built a rampart of ice around her, and was now known as the ' ice queen '. Fortunately, she's in a better spot in high school with a bestie in Miki. Meanwhile, Minato & Mr. Giraffe looked to be pretty nice blokes even if they're not acquainted with her yet. Will the three successfully tear her rampart down? The author behind Polar Opposites teaming up with the studio behind Sentenced to Be a Hero resulted in a solid product. The scene of Koyuki slowly building up the rampart was a particular highlight.
中学時代にまともな人間なんて一人もいなかったんだな。それで氷の城壁を築いて『氷の女王』って呼ばれるようになったのも納得だ。でも高校で美樹っていう親友ができて、ようやくいい環境に恵まれたみたいで良かった。湊とキリンさんもまだ彼女と知り合ってないけど、いい人そうだしね。この3人で城壁を打ち壊せるのかな?『正反対な君と僕』の作者と『勇者刑に処す』のスタジオがタッグ組んだおかげで、ちゃんとした作品に仕上がってたよ。小雪がゆっくり城壁を築いていくシーンは特に見応えあった。普通くん
mekerpan
Will she ever actually tear down her ramparts -- ort will she just make an entrance she can guard (but which allows friendly visitors)?
泣いた。まじで泣いた…彼女は本当に城壁を壊せるのか、それとも守れる入り口を作るだけなのか…この葛藤がエモすぎるッ!感情くん
Frontier246
I can see her still being cautious and reserved but allowing herself to be open to getting along with boys since it seems like she and Miki become close with Minato/Mr. Giraffe.
せやな、まだ慎重で控えめな感じは残ってるけど、ミキと一緒にミナト(キリン先生)と仲良くなってから男の子にも心開き始めたんやろな。草2ちゃん
Kirosh2
She's obviously going to stay someone. With an Ice Spear.
やばくね!?絶対アイススピア持った誰かのとこに泊まるじゃん笑ギャル
mmcjawa_reborn
Given how the episode ended and the brief flashbacks it sort of feels like having some walls up isn't a bad thing here...
このエピソードの終わり方と短いフラッシュバックを見ると、ある程度壁を作るのも悪くないって感じだよね…普通くん
Frontier246
Not a single decent person in middle school. Little wonder Koyuki had built a rampart of ice around her, I also get the vibe her dad left (with the "I'm sorry Koyuki") and that didn't help.
まじで中学生ってクソだらけじゃん!?小雪が氷の城壁築くのも納得だわ〜。てかパパが「ごめんな小雪」って言って去ってったのもやばくね?それもトラウマになってそうで泣けるんだけど😢ギャル
Zemahem
I'd cut them some slack since they're teenagers that are bound to be too immature to see how uncomfortable they're making someone. But as Koyuki puts it, they still do her harm in the end despite not meaning to. And outside of that... she also had to suffer from genuine assholes and bullying.
まだ10代だし、相手を不快にさせてる自覚が足りないのは仕方ないと思うよ。でも小雪が言うように、悪意はなくても結局は彼女を傷つけてるんだよね。それに加えて...純粋なクズやいじめにも耐えなきゃいけなかったし。普通くん
eightcheesepizza
Fortunately, she's in a better spot in high school with a bestie in Miki. I'm really curious now about when they met. I mean, I assume they probably met because they were neighbors in the same complex, but was it before the middle school trauma, during, or after? Does Miki know about why Koyuki is this way? Was Koyuki able to lean on Miki back then? Excited to find out.
せやな、高校ではミキって親友がいてマシになったっぽいな。ワイ、いつ知り合ったのかガチで気になるンゴ。同じ団地の隣人やったんやろけど、中学のトラウマの前か最中か後か?ミキはコユキの事情知ってるんか?あの時コユキはミキに頼れたんかね?続き楽しみすぎるわwww2ちゃん
szalhi
The guy I like forgot his glasses. Socially conditioned to have resting bitchface. Damn. Well she is, right?
彼氏が眼鏡忘れたって。普段の仏頂面は社会性のせいか。まあ彼女そうだよね。普通くん
Frontier246
Socially conditioned to have resting bitchface. Damn. Philia from Too Perfect Saint feels so seen by this.
わかる……!フィリアのあの「無表情=怒ってる」扱い、マジでリアルすぎて泣いた。社会に無理やり作らされたツラって感じだよねッ!感情くん
Shantotto11
PEAK MENTIONED!!! 🙌🏾
ピーク作品が話題に!最高すぎるわ🙌🏾普通くん
Nebresto
Perfect Saint enjoyers?? My people 💓
パーフェクトセイント好きな人〜!?やっと仲間に出会えたじゃん💓まじで嬉しすぎる!ギャル
ErebosGR
"Resting bitchface" is an ableist expression that denigrates autistic people (mainly women) who tend to have a flat affect. Koyuki's internal monologue indicates pretty heavily that she's most likely autistic.
「Resting bitchface」って表現、障害者差別だよね。特にフラットな表情になりがちな自閉症の人(主に女性)を貶めてる。小雪の内面モノローグ見ると、彼女もかなり自閉症っぽいなって思う。普通くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
This was a good first episode. I mean it’s by the same mangaka as You and I are Polar Opposites so you know it’s gonna be peak lol. I can get why Koyuki’s put up such a wall around herself after all that middle school bullshit. Kids can be little shits at that age. At least she has Miki. Although by the looks of things, it seems Minato’s gonna be the one to tear those walls down.
初回から良かったわ。『君と僕とは正反対』と同じ作者ってだけでクオリティ保証やんwww。中学時代のクソみたいな経験で小雪が壁作るのも納得やわ。あの年頃のガキはホンマにクソやからな。ミキがいてくれて良かった。でも湊がその壁ぶっ壊しそうな予感ガチでするンゴ。2ちゃん
Frontier246
I can get why Koyuki’s put up such a wall around herself after all that middle school bullshit. Kids can be little shits at that age. Judging by the OP it seems like she's going to have to deal with the main boy who teased her in middle school again at some point.
小雪が中学でああいうクソみたいな経験した後で壁を作るのはわかるよ。あの年頃の子供ってマジでクソだしな。OP見る限り、中学でからかってきたあの男の子とまた関わらなきゃいけなくなりそうだね。普通くん
CooroSnowFox
Another series I think will have a close match to Horimiya in that as well as they did similar things with past coming back
「ホリミヤ」と並んで過去が帰ってくる系の展開が似てるって話、めっちゃわかる!この作品もその路線でやってるから、すごく近い感じがするよッ!感情くん
mekerpan
An insta-keep (as I had hoped it would be, given Polar Opposites). I look forward to seeing how Koyuki managed to befriend (get befriended by) Miki. I would assume we will get some flashbacks for this.
「Polar Opposites」からの流れで即キープだな。小雪がどうやってミキと友達になったのか(というか友達になってもらったのか)気になる。多分これに関しては回想シーンが入るんだろうね。普通くん
Kirosh2
Miki : "We are friend now. Best friend!" Koyuki, who as an introvert doesn't know how to react to being adopted by an extrovert : "I guess this is my life now."
美樹「ワイら友達や!親友や!」ってガンガン来るやん。で、内向的な小雪は「もうこれがワイの人生なんやな…」って受け入れるしかなくて草w2ちゃん
CooroSnowFox
How you spot all the looks we've spent the last 12 weeks admiring but in a very different context and story.
12週間かけて見てきたあの表情たちが、まったく違う文脈とストーリーで出てくるのがすごいわかる。普通くん
SeltzerCountry
It’s fun seeing the contrast between this and Polar Opposites. It has the comedic beats and goofy moments, but the vibe is a bit less feel good and more awkward than Polar Opposites. Polar Opposites does kind of explore some of the same territory with Azuma and Taira, but in a more muted way.
『Polar Opposites』と比較して見ると面白いな。コメディ調のテンポやドタバタな展開は共通してるけど、本作の方が『Polar Opposites』よりほんの少し居心地悪さが強くて、全体的な空気感がより気まずい方向に振れてるんだよね。『Polar Opposites』も東と平というキャラで似たテーマを扱ってはいるけど、あっちはもっと抑えたトーンで描いてる。この差は意図的な演出だと思われる。考察くん
TalkLessShillMore
My biggest beef with Polar Opposites was Tani being kind of a personality void, I always wanted more insight into him even if it’s just awkwardness. This show hits the spot man
確かにTaniはキャラが薄かったよね。もっと彼のこと知りたかったな、たとえ不器用な部分だけでもさ。この作品はその点がいい感じだわ普通くん
SeltzerCountry
Yeah he is sort of just there. I suppose they put the time that could have been spent focusing on him into side stories
せやな、アイツおらんくても話進むやん。多分アイツに割く時間をサイドストーリーに回したんやろな。2ちゃん
Frontier246
原文
I'm happy that after just wrapping up You and I Are Polar Opposites we get to watch yet another Kocho Asagawa anime adaption about teens figuring themselves and their relationships out. It's interesting seeing how you can see the artist in the character designs even if the vibes are kind of different. It's not uncommon for boys to tease girls...but that doesn't mean girls are going to be comfortable with it or play it off like they're expected to do. As was the case with Koyuki Hikawa (Anna Nagase!). Now she carries a chilly, "ice queen," vibe and a whole wall of ice that separates her from most people. Although way to show your "real" face by trying to smile and getting caught by Minato (Shoya Chiba) who seems like your typical extrovert popular guy and his super tall friend Yota. The OP is a nice, fun, and really youth-filled sequence of Koyuki and her core friend group having fun and doing typical teen stuff together along with some other colorful characters! Miki Azumi (Fuka Izumi!) is the class idol, but despite appearances in school she is ALSO Koyuki's best friend and one of the few people she's her most genuine self around. Miki herself is actually much more of a goofball who is having an identity crisis between her normal personality and the "class idol" she appears as to the other girls, but at least she has Koyuki to vent to. Seems like Yota AKA Mr. Giraffe is friends with Miki too, the way he knew her by her first name and was in her classroom? Though he did do the classic Shojo girl catch, even if he's so tall that he hit Koyuki with her tall creature trauma. Doesn't help that he's missing contacts so he has to REALLY get in close to see something. But he seems like a genuinely nice guy. Koyuki didn't think she'd ever have to deal with Minato again, like she doesn't really feel like she needs to interact or get along with anyone versus being content by herself, but that's not going to stop him from seeking her out and trying to get along with her whether she's comfortable or not. And she is DEFINITELY not comfortable when his other guy friends show up and she gets bad middle school flashbacks. If only her attempt at an exit was as cute as it was in her head...though Minato can tell she's putting up some emotional walls. Middle school really went downhill for Koyuki. Attention from boys she didn't want, getting confessed too by Igarashi (Chiaki Kobayashi) that had one girl single her out and make her ostracized in school, some family drama (?), and then a tense altercation at school. Is it any wonder she's so chilly and holding on to a lot of emtoional trauma? Which just makes it even worse when she has to put up with the sleazy pick-up artists who won't take no for an answer. At least Mr. Giraffe can come save her! Assuming he actually saw her! But don't worry, he came back! The ED is more serious and melancholy with the kids and Koyuki's ramparts, but the visuals are still quite nice.
『君と僕は正反対』が終わったばかりで、また小笠原こうちのアニメ化で思春期の子たちが自分や人間関係を見つめ直す話が見られるのは嬉しいね。キャラデザに作者のタッチが感じられるのが面白いけど、雰囲気はちょっと違う感じ。男の子が女の子をからかうのはよくあるけど、それが気持ちいいとは限らないし、期待通りに流せるわけでもない。氷川小雪(長瀬アンナ!)もそうだった。彼女は「氷の女王」みたいな冷たい雰囲気をまとって、ほとんどの人と壁を作ってる。でも笑顔を見せようとして湊(千葉翔也)にバレるシーンは本音が出てたね。彼は典型的な陽キャで人気者、そばには超デカい友達の陽太がいる。OPは楽しくて青春感たっぷりで、小雪と友達グループが遊んだり普通のティーンっぽいことしてる映像がいいね!安曇美紀(和泉風花!)はクラスのアイドルだけど、実は小雪の親友で、彼女が一番素を見せられる相手。美紀自身はもっとおバカで、普通の自分と「クラスのアイドル」のギャップに悩んでるけど、小雪に愚痴れるからまだマシか。陽太(キリンさん)も美紀と友達っぽいな、下の名前で呼んでたし教室にいたし?でも彼は王道の少女漫画キャッチをやらかしてたけど、デカすぎて小雪の長身トラウマを刺激普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
The vibes are different, but you can feel the same idea. Just instead of pairing up different personalities, this time, every person themselves has opposite personalities when they are in school or in private.
雰囲気は違うけど、根っこの考えは一緒やな。前は違う性格同士をくっつけてたけど、今回は一人ひとりが学校とプライベートで真逆の人格持ってるってわけか。なるほどなー。2ちゃん
runevault
It is secretly subtitled "Miki's B-Side"
「実は『ミキのB面』ってサブタイトルがついてるんだよね…ッ!」感情くん
Ordinal43NotFound
Me and My Home-self are Polar Opposites
ワイと「うちのホーム」は真逆すぎて草www2ちゃん
CitronClassic672
They just like me for reeeeaaal!
わかる〜マジで自分と重なる部分がありすぎるッ!共感しかない!感情くん
CooroSnowFox
Back to Back to Sequel anime for Kocho...
氷の城壁の続編が連続で来るのか…普通くん
CitronClassic672
Fuka Izumi shows in some of the most varied roles I’ve seen of a seiyuu I swear.
和泉風花の声優としての幅ヤバすぎるッ!こんなに色んな役やってる声優そうそういないってマジで!感情くん
SezyFazes
This was my most anticipated anime this season, and the first episode didn’t disappoint at all, it actually exceeded my expectations. I especially love the color grading. I’m no expert, but the heavy gray tone fits the vibe perfectly. It works as a strong contrast to You and I Are Polar Opposites, like both shows are intentionally aiming for opposite moods.
今期で一番楽しみにしてたアニメだったんだけど、第1話は全然期待を裏切らなかったどころか、むしろ予想以上だったよ。特にカラーグレーディングが好き。詳しくないけど、重めのグレートーンが雰囲気にぴったり合ってるよね。『君と僕とは正反対』とはっきり対照的で、両方の作品が意図的に真逆のムードを狙ってる感じがする。普通くん
CooroSnowFox
Could want to see this being in the same school as Polar Opposities and it's doing just that itself. I do wonder if thats also one that warms up over the series? (Something like SuperCub when the tone is dependant on mood)
この作品が『正反対な君と僕』と同じ学校を舞台にしていて、実際にその路線で進んでいるのは興味深いな。シリーズを通して雰囲気が温まっていく展開になるのか気になる。『スーパーカブ』みたいに、ムードによってトーンが変わるタイプの作品なのかもしれないという考察ができる。考察くん
gnome-cop
Don’t know if they’re in the same school but I do remember a comment from one of the Polar Opposites discussion threads that said the cast from this appeared as a cameo in the amusement park episode so they’re presumably around somewhere.
同じ学校かはわからないけど、Polar Oppositesのスレッドで遊園地の回にこのキャストがカメオ出演してたってコメントを見た覚えがある。だからどこかにいるんじゃないかな。普通くん
runevault
I mentioned it in my own post but one of the girls looked like Nishi, so I would not be shocked if this is the same school.
やばくね!?自分も投稿で言ったんだけどさ、女の子の一人が西に似てたんだよね。だから同じ学校だったとしても全然驚かないわ笑ギャル
CooroSnowFox
In the OP, we even have a near enough Yamada pop up... and there is a mix of Tani/Taira going on as well
OPの映像で山田がチラッと映って草www
しかも谷と平も混ざっててワイ混乱したわwww2ちゃん
raspberry_vodkaaa
hey can u tell me if it's a love triangle
教えてくれよ、これって三角関係なの?気になりすぎるッ!感情くん
SezyFazes
[Spoiler] No
[Spoiler] ないよ普通くん
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
The Queen of Deadpan is here. I like the way they transitioned into the ED with the flashbacks, the castle walls forming around her and the title turning blood red. Really sets the tone for what kind of series you're getting into, especially if you're coming from the fluffier Polar Opposites.
無表情クイーンの登場だな。回想からEDへ移行する演出が秀逸で、彼女の周りに城壁が形成され、タイトルが血のように赤く変わる——これだけで、特に『正反対な君と僕』のようなふわふわした作品から来た視聴者には、このシリーズのトーンがはっきり伝わる設計になってる。制作陣の意図が読み取れる良い導入だ。考察くん
CooroSnowFox
The Ice Stuff for the transition was ... cool!
氷の城壁への移行シーン、かっこよかったな!普通くん
Frontier246
They really do a good job of making you feel and see Koyuki's emotions.
確かに!小雪の感情がめっちゃ伝わってくるんだよな…作り込みがすごすぎるッ!感情くん
Mission_Wrongdoer623
Now I’m wondering how much edge the author is willing to bring to the table (I think I already saw some spilled blood over there).
作者がどこまでエグい展開を入れてくるのか気になるな(もう血が流れてる気配はあるけど)。普通くん
zatchel1
I was a big fan of Polar Opposites so I was excited for this, glad I checked it out. The mangaka is clearly great at character writing so I’m excited to see them flex that in a more dramatic setting, and I love how you’ve still got the bits of humor sprinkled throughout. And man, those flashbacks really sold me, seems like a lot happened in middle school that we’ll have to unpack.
『極寒の対極』のファンだったから本作も楽しみにしてたんだが、期待通りだったな。作者はキャラクター描写が本当に巧みで、よりドラマチックな設定でその手腕を発揮するのが楽しみだ。随所に散りばめられたユーモアも良いアクセントになってる。特に回想シーンが印象的で、中学時代にかなり何かあったんだろうな。その謎を解き明かすのが楽しみだ。考察くん
Kirosh2
It's nice to see those kids, My kids, animated. It's a great ride, and after the fun Sunday ride of Polar Opposite, we now have the drama ride of Thursday.
子供たちがアニメで動いてるの見れて泣いたわ…ワイの子供たちや。日曜のポップなやつから一転、木曜はシリアス回でガチ泣き不可避やろこれwww2ちゃん
Aviri
It's nice to see those kids, My kids, Our kids
この子たち見れて嬉しすぎ!!私の子、私たちの子って感じじゃん!やばい、愛おしすぎる!ギャル
Frontier246
Kocho Asagawa probably crying at seeing all their children finally in animation two seasons in a row.
小川コウチョウは、自分の子どもたちが2シーズン連続でついにアニメ化されたのを見て、泣いてるんじゃないかな。普通くん
Kirosh2
Based on the opening + character reveal, we might either get a double dip in summer, or just a full year of Her works being animated. It's pretty nice.
オープニングとキャラ公開からすると、夏にもう一クール来るか、1年通して彼女の作品アニメ化されそうやな。結構ええ感じやん。2ちゃん
Railgun_8S
At least 3 Season in a row, I mean Polar Opposites are coming back next Season and who knows maybe its gonna be 4 Seasons in a row if this series also gonna be a 2-Cour Split
少なくとも3シーズン連続か。Polar Oppositesが次のシーズンで戻ってくるし、このシリーズが2クール分割になったら4シーズン連続になるかもしれないね。普通くん
xnef1025
I thought I saw they weren't splitting and it was just going to be 24 episodes in a row, so we might get both shows running together in the summer.
え!?分割しないで一気に24話ってマジ!?じゃあ夏に両方同時放送とかあるかもじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
Railgun_8S
Unlikely, in the Summer Season Smoking behind the supermarket will air in this Timeslot
いや、夏クールに『スーパーの裏で煙草吸う店員』がこの枠で放送される可能性は低いと思うよ普通くん
xnef1025
Ah, darn, but also awesome, since that’s yet another great romance adaptation for the year.
あー、くそっ!でも今年も良作ラブコメアニメ増えて草www ワイ歓喜やわ2ちゃん
Zemahem
Perfectly balanced I'd say. Polar Opposites was mostly sweet, so now we're getting some spice with Ramparts.
完璧なバランスじゃん!Polar Oppositesは甘々だったから、今度はRampartsでスパイス効いてる感じやばくね?笑ギャル
raspberry_vodkaaa
hey can u tell me this is a love triangle
それって三角関係ってこと!?マジでしんどすぎるッ!!感情くん
Equivalent-Weather59
I like Jiraffe guy, tho judging by the promotional material, Koyuki will most likely end up with Minato.
ジラーフのやつ好きだな。でもプロモーション見る限り、小雪は最終的に湊とくっつきそうだね。普通くん
SSjjlex
I like how he's a proper tall guy where's he's actually towering over everyone and even slouched over just trying to look at people instead of being just regular japanese tall where he's only like 178cm lmao
草、こいつマジでデカいなwww
他のキャラより頭一つ分デカくて、しかも背中丸めて人の顔見ようとしてるのウケるw
「日本基準のデカさ(178cm)」じゃなくてガチの長身って設定なの好きやわw2ちゃん
Zemahem
Yeah it's always funny when characters like that are already treated like giants in some anime and manga. Yota would be a terrifying behemoth by those standards.
確かにそれな!そういうキャラが既に巨人扱いされてるのに、ヨータがその基準だと化け物クラスになるの笑うわww 無理すぎるッ!感情くん
Aggravating-Meet4436
All I’m reminded of yachi from haikyu in bbq scene lmao
谷地ちゃん思い出したわ、バーベキューシーンで笑う普通くん
Earlier-Today
原文
It also looks like he's drawn his actual height instead of making guys look ridiculously tall and then reading that they're all 5'10 to 6'. The most ridiculous version of that I've seen was the old Rurouni Kenshin anime where this giant of a man who looks like he is double the height and triple the width of everybody else and the fan book says he's 6'4, which is my height - and only young children are half my height and nobody is a third my width. That kind of thing is drawn like it's trying to convey how it feels for kids to be around tall people, where their imaginations get heavily mixed into their memories.
あの絵、キャラの身長をリアルに描いてるよな。普通ならクソデカく見えるのに「身長175〜180cm」とか書いてあるパターン多いけど、ワイはあれが一番笑える。昔のるろうに剣心で、明らかに他の2倍の高さと3倍の横幅あるデカブツが「身長193cm」ってファンブックに書いてあってな、ワイも193cmやけど、半分の高さの子供とかおらんし、三分の一の横幅の奴もおらんわ。ああいうのって、子供がデカい人の近くにいる時の感覚、想像力が記憶に混ざった感じを描いてるんやろな。2ちゃん
Frontier246
I totally thought Minato was going to be the one to come save her from the pick-up artists after Mr. Giraffe left but points for coming back!
ミナトが助けに来ると思ってたのに!キリンさんが去った後でナンパ野郎どもからヒロインを救うと思いきや、戻ってきたのは予想外すぎるッ!でも戻ってきたのはポイント高い!感情くん
flybypost
points for coming back I think he was just looking for a way to cross the street without getting run over due to his lack of vision.
戻ってくるのは正解だったと思う。彼は視力がないせいで轢かれずに道を渡る方法を探してただけだよね。普通くん
Nachtwandler_FS
I personally prefer Minato. Their personalities are more contrasting.
私的にはミナト派!2人の性格の対比がめっちゃいい感じじゃん?ギャル
dzizuseczem
you might even call them .. polar opposite
草、polar opposite(正反対)とか言っちゃうんかwww
氷の城壁とpolarってダジャレやんけ、ワイ笑ったわ2ちゃん
mr_mazzeti
now thats cinema
それこそが映画だよッ!感情くん
CitronClassic672
It’d be funny if Minato has a more introverted, subdued personality in private to contrast Koyuki, lol.
湊がプライベートでは小雪と対照的にすごく内向的でおとなしい性格だったら面白いのにな笑普通くん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
Some places have it tagged as love polygon, so I'm not sure if there's gonna be a love triangle between them, or if different 'unique' pairings count as love polygon now? (say 3 different couples from 6 unique people)?
この作品が「ラブポリゴン」とタグ付けされてるのを見かけたんだけど、単純な三角関係になるのか、それとも「ユニークな組み合わせ」が複数ある場合(例えば6人のキャラから3組のカップルができるようなケース)もラブポリゴンに含まれるのか、ちょっと定義が気になるな。考察くん
GtrsRE
He's probably going to be the emotional support Giraffe of the series
このキャラ、シリーズ通しての癒し系キリン枠になりそうでしんどいッ!可愛すぎる!感情くん
Elvenoob
Whaaaat? I was shipping the main two girls the whole episode, they're so cute together.
は?ワイはずっとメイン二人の女の子を推してたンゴ…仲良しすぎて草www2ちゃん
LeonKevlar
原文
Surprised Koyuki I just recently found out that this is from the same author as You and I are Polar Opposites, and while this does certainly have a more serious vibe , I can see that it has the excellent character writing I love Asagawa-sensei for in Polar Opposites. Considering the shit Koyuki had to go through back in middle school , it's not surprising that she started building a wall around her to keep people out , except Miki, who she seems to only genuinely smile for. Based on that opening , I guess Koyuki is also about to let in Amamiya and Mr. Giraffe in, but it might take a bit, considering she just put up another wall around her when Amamiya was trying to get to know her. I am also intrigued by those flashbacks. It looks like shit went down when Koyuki was in middle school, and I really want to learn what happened back then. Definitely a strong start, and by the looks of this first episode, I can already tell Asagawa-sensei is also gonna deliver again with this story.
小雪が「正反対な君と僕」と同じ作者って最近知って驚いた。確かにこっちの方がシリアスな雰囲気だけど、あの作品で好きになった浅川先生のキャラ描写の上手さはしっかり感じられるな。中学で色々あっただろうし、ミキ以外には心の壁を作るのも納得だ。オープニング見る限り、雨宮とキリンさんもその内入れてくのかな?でも雨宮が近づこうとした時にまた壁作っちゃったし、時間かかりそうだね。あの回想シーンも気になる。中学で何があったのかすごく知りたい。初回から強いスタートで、浅川先生は今回もやってくれる予感がする。普通くん
flybypost
I really want to learn what happened back then. Especially as it looked like blood happened but we don't know how and who got bloodied.
あの時何があったのかマジで知りたいッ!血が出てたっぽいのに、誰がどうやって血まみれになったか全くわかんなくてしんどすぎる感情くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Koyuki and her friends made a cameo in Seihantai Kimi to Boku EDT Episode 11
氷の城壁の小雪たちが第11話でカメオ出演してたんだね普通くん
LeonKevlar
Do you remember what episode that was?
それどの話だっけ!?教えてくれよッ!!感情くん
Kirosh2
Episode 11. You can find the screenshot of it in the Source Material Corner.
11話。原作コーナーにそのスクリーンショットがあるよ。普通くん
FLorianGran
原文
Not to get too bogged down in Polar Opposites comparisons, but this feels like a story centered around an introvert while Polar Opposites centered around an extrovert and Koyuki is closer to Taira as a character than she is to Miyuki. You can also tell with the presentation; An earthier color palette compared to Polar's pastels, softer piano ost instead of chiptunes. Obviously this is more to do with the different staff in charge of both but you can tell in the difference in the material. We're also getting a more serious backstory and actually introducing unlikable characters which Polar tended to avoid. It's hard to tell where the story's going romantically. Both male leads seemed to have some chemistry but the ost seems to be framing this as more of a general friend group instead of hinting at any pairings
「極寒のライバル」と比べるなって話やけど、これは明らかに内向的な主人公の話やろ。向こうは外向的やったし、ヒロインの小雪はタイラに近いキャラやな。色味もパステル調の向こうと違ってアーシーな感じやし、BGMもチップチューンじゃなくてピアノの柔らかい曲やし。スタッフの違いって言えばそれまでやけど、素材の時点で違いが分かるわ。シリアスな過去編も入ってきて、嫌なキャラも出てきてるしな。恋愛の行方は読めへんわ。両方の男主にケミストリー感じたけど、BGM的には特定のカップル示唆せずに友達グループ全体を描いてる感じや。2ちゃん
Ordinal43NotFound
Feels so cool to have 2 adaptations of the same author done by 2 completely different studios back to back like this. Really got me deep into analyzing how differently each team approach things. The more muted color grading being the most noticeable like you said. But I love how it still shares the author's DNA like the typography scenes and goofy chibi bits.
同じ作者の作品を2つの全く違うスタジオが続けてアニメ化するのってすごく新鮮だね。おかげで各チームのアプローチの違いを深く分析するようになったよ。特に君の言う通り、色味が抑えめなところが一番わかりやすい違いだね。でもフォント演出やギャグちびキャラパートとか、作者のDNAはちゃんと共有されてるのが好き。普通くん
ErebosGR
原文
an introvert autistic FTFY The dichotomy between "introvert" and "extravert" is not real, it doesn't exist. Introversion and extraversion describe behaviors, not people. Put a bunch of "introverts" with common interests in the same room and they'll exhibit extraverted behaviors. Extraversion is dependent on social and cognitive compatibility and conditioning, not some sort of inherent personality trait.
ワイの解釈だと「内向的って言うけどただの自閉症やろ」って話やな
「内向的/外交的」の二分法なんて実在せん、存在せえへんねん
内向的や外交的ってのは人間の性質じゃなくて行動のパターンやで
同じ趣味の「内向的」連中を部屋にぶち込めば外交的に振る舞うわ
外交性ってのは生まれつきの性格特性やなくて、社会的・認知的相性と条件付けの問題やろ
ガチで草2ちゃん
riiyoreo
I had a very similar school experience as the MC and it actually ruined my ability to socialise for a bit. Completely get her and seeing bits of that bullying/teasing felt very close to home. Having Miki not be the jealous-antagonist type is refreshing. Now I'm quite intrigued about this show.
主人公と同じような学校生活を送ったことがあって、しばらく社交性が完全にダメになったんだよね。彼女の気持ちはすごくわかるし、いじめやからかいの描写がリアルすぎて胸が痛んだ。ミキが嫉妬するタイプの敵役じゃないのが新鮮だわ。このアニメ、かなり気になってきた。普通くん
Elvenoob
Heck, some of those early shots with her and Miki felt like they were straight out of a yuri lol. Gives me some more hope the shapes will be more complex than just a typical romance triangle.
確かに!ミキとの初期のシーンとか完全に百合だったよね笑。三角関係だけじゃなくて、もっと複雑な展開になりそうで期待しかないッ!感情くん
CitronClassic672
This series has the opportunity to give us a true bisexual love triangle if Miki, Yota, and Minato are all romantic interests. And same, I also got yuri vibes from Miki and Koyuki at the start.
やば!このシリーズ、ミキとヨータとミナトが全員恋愛対象になったらマジでバイセクシャル三角関係になるチャンスあるじゃん!しかも最初の方でミキとコユキに百合感じたの私もだよ!ギャル
Elvenoob
That's what I'm hoping for, yeah.
そうなるといいな、俺もそう願ってるよ。普通くん
gnome-cop
Why stop at the triangle when we have the opportunity to achieve the true bisexual love 2 for once?
なぜ三角関係で止めるんだ!真のバイセクシュアルラブを実現できるチャンスがあるのに!2人まとめて愛しちゃおうよッ!最高すぎる!感情くん
puck-this
Same here. She felt so relatable and the multiple choice reactions during social events were so accurate
せやな。あの子めっちゃ共感できるわ。イベントでの選択肢リアルすぎて草生えたわwww2ちゃん
Magnafeana
原文
Character cm ft-in Koyuki Hikawa 152 cm 4'11.8" Minato Amamiya 176 cm 5'9.3" Yota Hino 189 cm 6'2.4" I don’t understand why Netflix doesn’t have nicer overlays. Going from { You and I Are Polar Opposites } and it’s largely pretty great overlays, I’m sad on that front. But this’s gorgeous! Novelbright OP sounds so nice! Oh Miki is so relatable in that whole “autocorrect” with wanting to be yourself but it’s such a strong compulsion to “autocorrect” to a different persona around others. It’s such a dissociating experience. And it fucking sucks when this happens when you need to show your authentic self at appointments but you “autocorrect”, so now it takes you who knows how long to be diagnosed. I just watched the { Heaven’s Design Team } episode that showed giraffes! Koyuki should be protected at all costs . So we had Auntie Makio who’s largely headcanoned as ND. Does Ramparts of Ice have any ND-headcanoned characters, I wonder. Koyuki deserved so much better in her middle school years—and presently. So I’m fucking delighted she has Miki. I didn’t expect Miki to be so relatable. Even in that quick moment in her divulging her own personality struggles, that resonated deeply . I’m glad they both have each other to be authentic with, but I’m excited to see both of them make connections with people they can let their walls down for. I’m very curious who Miki will be able to turn off the “autocorrect” for next. I wish ill things on those grown men harassing Koyuki. Let em rot 😒
キャラの身長データ(氷川小雪152cm、天宮湊176cm、日野陽太189cm)ありがとう。Netflixの字幕オーバーレイがもっと見やすければな…『正反対な君と僕』は良かっただけに残念。でも本作は映像が美しい!NovelbrightのOPも最高だね。ミキの「オートコレクト」に共感しすぎる。自分を出したいのに他人の前で勝手にキャラ変しちゃうの、めっちゃわかる。診察で素の自分を見せなきゃいけない時に限ってオートコレクトが発動して診断に時間かかるの、本当に最悪。『天地創造デザイン部』でキリン回見たばかり。小雪は絶対守るべき存在。叔母のマキオはよく発達障害説が出るけど、『氷の城壁』にもそういう解釈できるキャラいるのかな。小雪には中学時代も今ももっと報われてほしかった。だからミキがいてくれて本当に嬉しい。ミキがここまで共感できるとは思わなかった。自分の葛藤を打ち明けたあの短いシーン、めっちゃ響いた。2人がお互いに素でいられる関係は素晴らしいし、これからそれぞれ壁を越えて新しい繋がりを作るのが楽しみ。次にミキが誰の前でオートコレクトをオフにするのか気になる。小雪をしつこく絡んでた大人の男たちはマジで消え失せてほしい。腐ってしまえ😒普通くん
Frontier246
Miki feels like she wants to be the class Yamada ( Polar Opposites reference) but ends up acting more like the generic class idol character. Pick-up artists are always terrible but it's especially skeevy when they're hitting up someone who is clearly a teenager.
ミキは「クラスの山田(正反対な君と僕)」になりたいって感じやけど、結局は普通のクラスのアイドルキャラっぽくなってるンゴwww ナンパ師はいつだってクソやけど、明らかに10代に声かけるのは特にキモすぎるやろ2ちゃん
flybypost
Pick-up artists The only think to add is this .
ナンパ師かよ……。それだけしか言うことないわ。感情くん
CitronClassic672
Tbf Makio wasn’t just headcanoned as ND, she was all but stated to just be ND albeit undiagnosed because Japanese millennial and all that.
確かにマキオはただの空想上のNDキャラってわけじゃなくて、ほぼそう言われてるようなもんだよね。診断はされてないけど、日本のミレニアル世代って感じでさ。普通くん
Concrete-grapefruit
You’re right! The lack of overlays/on screen text translation was frustrating especially since Polar Opposites did an incredible job (leave it to Netflix to botch the job)
確かに!オーバーレイや字幕翻訳がなかったのマジでイライラした…Polar Oppositesが神対応だっただけに余計にね(Netflixがやらかすのはいつものことだけど)。無理すぎるッ!感情くん
cppn02
I don’t understand why Netflix doesn’t have nicer overlays. It's company policy. Their player would actually support it but Netflix hates subtitles that aren't centered at the bottom or top because it's run by idiots.
Netflixのオーバーレイがもっと良くならない理由がわからないな。会社の方針なんだろうけど、プレイヤー自体は対応できるのに、上下中央以外の字幕を嫌がってるんだよね。上層部がバカばかりだからだと思う。普通くん
ebongreen
原文
Koyuki strikes me very hard as traumatized autistic introvert. We get to see her literally ask herself, “How would a ‘normal’ person respond in this social situation?” Then she tries to be normal… and fails with a natural 1 on her masking-check d20. Hard to get more characteristically autistic than that. She’s a modern-setting Maomao-like, and Maomao is autistic AF. Also, yes, in the street scene with the dudes pursuing her, I was saying aloud, “Kick them. Punch them. Bite them. Break their wrists. Whatever it takes.” Unless you’re literally saving someone from harm, DON’T FUCKING TOUCH STRANGERS FFS, especially when they’ve told you to eff off. Great googly moogly, men.
小雪、ガチでトラウマ抱えた自閉症の陰キャって感じやん。自分で「普通の人はこんな状況でどう反応すんねん?」って自問してるシーンとか草。で、普通を装おうとするけど…マスキング判定でダイス目1振って盛大に失敗してるやん。これ以上自閉症っぽい描写ある?現代版の猫猫みたいやな、猫猫もガチで自閉症やし。あと、あの男共に追われる街中のシーン、ワイ声出して「蹴れ。殴れ。噛みつけ。手首へし折れ。何でもやれ」って言うてたわ。誰かを危害から救うとかじゃなきゃ、知らん人間に触んなクソが、特に「どっか行け」って言われてんのに。もうマジで男ってほんまもんのアホやろ。2ちゃん
Ocixo
原文
I like how Koyuki just blurted out “Mr. Giraffe” at the end. Her inner-thoughts spilled out in that moment. Judging from all those flashbacks, Koyuki really didn’t have a good time in middle school. Aside from getting teased over her short stature, it appears as if the worst bullying was the result of jealousy. Koyuki’s female classmates couldn’t stand that this good-looking boy took a liking to her. Not to mention that she’d seemed quite troubled by his (aggressive) flirting herself.
小雪が最後に「キリンさん」ってポロッと言っちゃったの良かったな。あの瞬間、心の声が漏れ出しちゃったんだね。回想シーン見る限り、中学時代はかなり辛かったみたいだ。身長のことでいじられたのもそうだけど、一番ひどいイジメは嫉妬から来てたっぽい。あのイケメン男子が小雪に気に入られてるのが許せなかったんだろうな。しかも本人もその(強引な)アプローチに困ってたみたいだし。普通くん
Frontier246
原文
People think guys teasing/flirting with girls is fun or cute but not everyone is going to be comfortable/receptive towards it, especially if it comes with expectations they don't want to have anything to do with like a guy being interested in them when they don't feel the same and suddenly all the girls hate her. I also think that scene with her family meant there was some family drama happening them. She talked to Miki about her mom not being home so I get the vibe her dad might've left.
男が女をからかったりナンパするのを「かわいい」とか「楽しい」って思う奴いるけど、全員がそれに乗り気になるわけじゃないンゴ。特に「こいつ俺に気あるんか?」みたいな期待押し付けられて、しかも興味ないのに周りの女全員から嫌われるパターンはキツいわ。
あと家族のシーン見る限り、家庭でなんか揉めてそうやな。ミキに「母ちゃん家にいない」って話してたし、父親が出て行った可能性あるわ。2ちゃん
Ocixo
原文
Two people can have fun being flirty if they’re both into each other. Such behaviour will become increasingly off-putting if it’s a one -sided crush however. Koyuki looked extremely uncomfortable when he’d grabbed onto her hand. (…) I get the vibe her dad might’ve left. Yeah, this apology from Koyuki’s father suggests that he’d done something terribly wrong. Enough to make her cry. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d cheated on his wife, and Koyuki’s parents went on to get separated.
両思いならイチャイチャするのは楽しいけど、片思いだとだんだんキツくなるよね。小雪が手を掴まれた時、すごく嫌そうだったし。父親は別れたのかもな。あの謝り方見る限り、かなりやらかしたんだろうな。小雪が泣くくらいだから。浮気して両親が別れたとしても全然驚かないわ。普通くん
CitronClassic672
I feel a lot of people glossed over the scene of what looked like blood pooling on the ground. What the hell was that about?
やばくね!?あの地面に血みたいなのが溜まってるシーン、みんなスルーしすぎじゃない!?あれ何だったんだろまじでギャル
Ocixo
The blood had also caught me off-guard. From the looks of it, Koyuki had either punched someone or gotten hit herself.
血が出ててワイもビビったわ。見た感じ、小雪が誰かぶん殴ったか自分がやられたかやな。2ちゃん
AmethystItalian
Ahhh this seems cute! Was my pre-season pick for AotS so high hopes for it. Pretty worried about love triangles so hopefully we can avoid anything too serious there...I feel I've already picked a side.
あーこれ可愛そう!シーズン前から今期のアニメオブザシーズン候補にしてたから期待してる。三角関係がちょっと心配だけど、そこまで重くならないでほしいな…もう推しは決まっちゃった気がする。普通くん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
Pretty worried about love triangles Same; Hopefully Miki grabs one of them, so there's only one left for Koyuki! Double Couples > Love Triangle!
それな!ミキがどっちかゲットしてくれたら、コユキに残るのは一人だけになるし!カップル二組の方が三角関係より絶対エモいッ!感情くん
AmethystItalian
YES PLEASE
それな、お願いします!普通くん
CitronClassic672
Hopefully Miki grabs Koyuki first you mean, lol.
ミキが先に小雪をゲットしてくれってことやろwww 草2ちゃん
Frontier246
Pretty worried about love triangles so hopefully we can avoid anything too serious there...I feel I've already picked a side.' Minato and Mr. Giraffe really do feel like they could be the main male lead depending on how the story progresses.
恋愛三角関係が心配だな…深刻な展開は避けてほしい。個人的にはもう推しは決まってるんだが。湊とキリンさん、物語の展開次第でどっちがメインの男性主人公になるか分からない感じがするんだよな。この時点で既に両方とも主役級の存在感を放ってるという考察ができる。考察くん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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あ、コメント消されちゃったね。これはスレッド上部の「原作コーナー」に書くべき内容だったみたい。現在放送中のアニメの議論スレでは、原作やスピンオフ、作者コメント、未アニメ化の内容はそこに書かないとダメなんだって。ネタバレじゃなくて、原作の話を指定場所以外でしたから削除された感じ。ルールはリンク先で確認できるよ。普通くん
cleaulem
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I learned here from the comments that this is from the same author as You And I Are Polar Opposites, and it really shows. It has the same level of amazing character interactions that are neither dragged out nor annoying. It really takes some skill to write characters so well. I'm really digging Koyuki's character and how her past shapes her present attitude towards other people. I like how she is not entirely antisocial, but has a good friend in Miki. However, she is putting up the wall, for a good reason. These two guys in the after credit scene who were harassing her really made me so mad!
ここで「君と僕は正反対」と同じ作者だと知って、なるほどと思った。キャラクター同士の掛け合いが絶妙で、引き伸ばし感も嫌味もない。あそこまで魅力的なキャラを描けるのは本当に才能だよな。
小雪のキャラ、彼女の過去が今の他人への態度にどう影響してるかがすごく興味深い。完全な非社交型じゃなくて、ミキという親友がいるバランスも良い。ただ、ちゃんとした理由があって壁を作ってるんだよな。
エンドロール後のあの二人、小雪に絡んでたシーンには本当に腹が立った!考察くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Koyuki and her friends made a cameo in the background during Polar Opposites Edit Episode 11 during the Amusement Park date
草、ポーラーオポジットの11話で遊園地デートの背景に小雪たちがカメオ出演してたンゴwww
ワイ気づかんかったわ、ガチで草生える2ちゃん
CooroSnowFox
I wonder if they'll find ways to get polar opposites into ramparts
極端な対立キャラを城壁に組み込む方法を見つけてくるのかな普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
I hope so. Will be on the look out in the background character 👍
せやな。背景キャラに注目しとくわ👍2ちゃん
Ordinal43NotFound
Should be pretty easy to notice with how bright pink Suzuki is lol
スズキがあんなにピンクなんだから気づくの簡単だろ笑笑普通くん
gnome-cop
Just a fucking beacon of hot pink in the more muted and chill color tones of this show.
この作品の落ち着いた色合いの中で、あの蛍光ピンクがめちゃくちゃ目立ちすぎるッ!まさに灯台みたいな存在だよ!感情くん
ch1ckeh
when was that?
それいつだっけ!?教えてよ〜ギャル
HolyDragSwd2500
Tani and Suzuki went on there amusement park date on episode 11
エピソード11の遊園地デート、タニとスズキ良かったね普通くん
zairaner
Here is the comment in the polar opposites episode discussion with the screenshot.
草www 正反対のエピソードのスクショ、ガチでワロタ
作画崩壊してて草生えるわwww2ちゃん
BaytaCosmico
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Giraffe-san and Koyuki are so fun together. I love how she sees him and how nice and casual he is on his side. Agasawa sensei showing how to write great character interactions once again (technically for the first time, I guess, since this was written before Polar Opposites). Koyuki is such a well-written ND character. Her dilemmas on how to deal with social situations are so real. And her friend who gets pegged as an idol but who just wants to goof off is great too. Feel so bad for Koyuki having gone through some really bad times in middle school. We see this has probably directly led to those ramparts of ice she's erected around her, which now make people think of her as some ice queen. Looking forward to seeing her thaw around the right people. We already saw her bright smiles when with Miki and she's not so icy around Giraffe-san either. Amamiya isn't one of the chosen though and makes her uncomfortable. We haven't seen much of him so far. Looking forward to finding out more in the coming episodes. I was super hyped for this one and the adaptation has been ace so far. Especially loved the music choices and the comic timing. So glad we get another great anime based on Agasawa sensei's work.
キリンさんと小雪の掛け合いがすごく楽しいね。小雪の視点と、キリンさんの気さくな態度が絶妙。またしても阿賀沢先生はキャラ同士のやり取りを描くのが上手いな(厳密には『正反対な君と僕』より前に書かれた作品だから初めてか)。小雪はめっちゃよく描かれたNDキャラだと思う。社交場面での葛藤がリアルすぎる。アイドル扱いされるけど実はふざけたいだけの友達もいいキャラしてる。中学時代にひどい目にあったのは本当に気の毒。それが今の「氷の城壁」の原因なんだろうね。でもミキといるときの明るい笑顔とか、キリンさんにも少しずつ心を開いてる様子が見えて、これから溶けていくのが楽しみ。雨宮は選ばれし者じゃなくて、彼女を居心地悪くさせてる。まだあんまり出番ないけど、今後のエピソードで知れるのを楽しみにしてる。この作品めちゃくちゃ楽しみにしてたけど、アニメ化も最高だわ。特に音楽のチョイスとコメディのタイミングが良かった。阿賀沢先生の作品からまた素晴らしいアニメが生まれて嬉しいよ。普通くん
Ocixo
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I do find the contrast between Koyuki’s reactions to Mr. Giraffe and Amamiya very interesting. Typically, you’d expect both boys to be set up as future love interests of her. Koyuki feels so uncomfortable around Amamiya that this outcome is hard to picture, whereas she already seems to get along pretty well with Mr. Giraffe. Their personalities seem to fit a lot better. That said, Koyuki would probably first need to overcome some childhood trauma (haha).
コユキのジラフくんと雨宮に対する反応の対比が非常に興味深い。一般的な展開なら両方とも将来の恋愛対象として描かれるところだよね。雨宮に対してはコユキが明らかに居心地悪そうで、その展開は想像しにくい。一方でジラフくんとはすでに良好な関係を築けている。性格の相性も明らかに合っているように見える。ただ、コユキはまず子供時代のトラウマを克服する必要がありそうだが(笑)。考察くん
BaytaCosmico
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Amamiya is just too bright and friendly for Koyuki to handle. A mellow personality like Giraffe-san is just easier to be around for an introvert like her (so relatable tbh). He sets her at ease and she doesn't have to do those mental gymnastics of trying to figure out how to respond. I like this contrast. They're both nice guys but the difference in their personalities makes such a difference in how Koyuki feels around them. Very true to life. Some people are just on the right wavelength naturally and with others it takes work.
雨宮は小雪には明るすぎてフレンドリーすぎるんだよな。キリンさんみたいな穏やかな性格のほうが、内向的な小雪には一緒にいて楽なんだと思う(めっちゃ共感できる)。彼といるとリラックスできるし、返事の仕方をあれこれ考えなくていいんだよね。この対比がいいな。二人ともいい人なんだけど、性格の違いが小雪の感じ方にすごく影響してる。すごくリアルだわ。自然に波長が合う人もいれば、努力が必要な人もいるってことだね。普通くん
Frontier246
Also I think Minato just reminds her too much of the kind of boys she had to deal with in middle school.
せやな、ミナトって中学時代に出会った嫌なタイプの男子を思い出させるんちゃうか。ワイもそう思うンゴwww2ちゃん
BaytaCosmico
Yeah, which is a pity since he clearly has no mean intentions and even she realises it when he apologises for making her accidentally choose the wrong drink. But that sort of teasing exuberant nature is just something she's very uncomfortable with thanks to that past trauma and her own introversion.
確かに彼に悪意がないのは明らかで、彼女自身も飲み物を間違えさせたことに対して謝った時にそれを理解している。だが、ああいったからかうような賑やかな性質は、過去のトラウマと内向性のせいで彼女にとって非常に不快なものなんだろうな。この辺りの心理描写は深い。考察くん
CitronClassic672
Tbf to Minato, they’ve had like two short interactions so far. It can take time to warm up to a person and really get to know them, and I say this as an introvert myself. I definitely think Minato and Koyuki can better match each other’s wavelength over time.
せやな、湊にしたってまだ2回しか会話してないんやしな。人に慣れて仲良くなるには時間かかるもんやろ。ワイも陰キャやからめっちゃ分かるわ。湊とこゆきは時間経てばちゃんと波長合うようになると思うで。2ちゃん
BaytaCosmico
Quite possible. We'll just have to wait and see.
確かにそうかもね。とりあえず様子見だな。普通くん
CitronClassic672
Is Koyuki canonically ND? Cause I didn’t get that vibe at all from her so far. From personal experience, I can’t relate to the overthinking social situations thing. For me it’s always been more like never thinking through what my response in a given situation should be and just blurting out my thoughts and wishes.
Koyukiって公式に発達障害とかそういう設定なん?ワイは全然そんな感じせんかったわ。自分の経験から言うと、あの「考えすぎて社交がダメ」ってやつはピンとこないンゴ。ワイの場合はむしろ「場に応じた反応なんて考えたことなくて、思ったことそのまま口に出しちゃう」って感じやねん。2ちゃん
BaytaCosmico
Hmm good question and I'm not sure tbh. Maybe she's just super introverted and not used to social interactions after withdrawing into her ice fortress.
うーん、いい質問だけど正直わかんないな。たぶん彼女が超内向的で、氷の城壁に引きこもった後は人との交流に慣れてないだけなんじゃないかな。感情くん
Sleeperwaking
That episode flew by, felt like 5 mins. My only complaint is that, compared with You and I on Crunchyroll, I am not loving the Netflix subs. I really identify with the internal multiple choice game she plays, and the forced smile (how do you smile again?).
あっという間の1話やったわ、5分くらいに感じたンゴwww
強いて言うなら、Crunchyrollの『ユー・アンド・アイ』と比べてNetflixの字幕あんま好きくないンゴね。
ワイはあの内心の選択ゲームと無理やり笑顔(笑い方ってどうやるんやっけ?)にガチ共感したわ。2ちゃん
tripleaamin
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I am not sure how to explain it, but the setting feels pretty relatable. I know it's an anime, but it doesn't feel like a typical high school RomCom in terms of tone. Which I like a lot, as the characters feel relatable. Furthermore, I wonder if the theme of this show will be about how the characters protect themselves. We see Koyuki, and she had a miserable experience in middle school. Thus she puts a wall around her to push people away. People call her the queen, but I wonder why it isn't ice queen. In high school, first impressions can make a big impact, as we see in the episode for Koyuki. Of course, at the end, when she was in trouble, her pushing people away didn't help because there are people IRL that won't work on it. That kind of situation can be very scary. Well, at least Giraffe-kun came at the end. Meanwhile, we see for her friend Miki she puts on an act of who she really is. She says she is more of a gorilla than the school idol. I think that is a very interesting contrast. I wonder how it digs into that.
なんて説明すればいいかわかんないけど、この設定結構共感できるんだよね。アニメってわかってるけど、典型的な学園ラブコメって感じじゃなくて、それがすごく好き。キャラに親近感が湧くし。で、この作品のテーマって、キャラたちがどう自分を守るかって話なんじゃないかなって思うんだ。小雪は中学でつらい経験してて、壁を作って人を遠ざけてる。みんな彼女を"女王"って呼ぶけど、なんで"氷の女王"じゃないんだろうね。高校での第一印象って大事だし、実際トラブルになった時、人を遠ざけるだけじゃ解決しないこともある。そういう状況ってすごく怖いよな。でも最後にキリンくんが来てくれてよかった。一方でミキは本当の自分を隠してキャラを演じてる。自分は学園のアイドルよりゴリラだって言ってるけど、その対比が面白いな。どう掘り下げられていくのか気になる。普通くん
BiskyBreb-0711
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Yeah, there's a sense of groundness it has compared to other angsty stories than usually seen in other works of fiction but of course it's probably building up to be something bigger eventually. That said I do think it starting off feeling this grounded eases us into the setting and characters much more naturally than how a high school setting normally would by umm...having the characters be straight up cliche's at first, but thankfully the main character here is the core-player here in the debut episode and not to mention that there's a sense of mystery to her while also being relatable to the point that her experience as a whole feels familar. If that makes sense haha.
確かに他の鬱展開作品と比べて、この作品には地に足のついたリアリティがあるよね。でも当然、最終的にはもっと大きな展開に向けて伏線を張ってるんだろうな。個人的には、この地に足のついた始まり方が、高校設定でありがちな「キャラを最初からステレオタイプにしがち」な展開より自然に世界観とキャラに没入させてくれると思う。初回エピソードでは主人公が核心を担っていて、彼女にミステリアスな魅力がありつつも共感できるから、彼女の体験全体がどこか既視感を覚えるんだよ。そういう意味では、制作陣の意図がよく練られてるな、と。考察くん
ModieOfTheEast
That seems interesting. Since I read that it's from the same Mangaka as Polar Opposites, I can see what they wanted to do this time. Instead of people with different personalities coming together, we have people that have two opposite personalities themselves. One they show in school and one they show in private. Will be interesting to see what the guys' second personalities are going to be.
「氷の城壁」か。『正反対な君と僕』と同じ作者って読んで、なるほどなと思った。今回は異なる性格同士の組み合わせじゃなくて、一人の人間が学校とプライベートで正反対の顔を持つって話なんだな。男たちの第二の人格がどんな風になるのか気になる。普通くん
zairaner
Since I read that it's from the same Mangaka as Polar Opposites, I can see what they wanted to do this time Semi-important to note here is that this is the first work of her, polar opposites was written afterwards.
「氷の城壁」が『Polar Opposites』と同じ作者って読んでから、今回の狙いがなんとなく分かったわ。
ついでに言うと、これが作者の初期作品で、『Polar Opposites』は後に書かれた作品ってのがポイントやな。2ちゃん
ModieOfTheEast
Well, then I hope the strong difference in tone is not because she needed to cleanse her soul because it became to dark/dramatic.
あれ、マジでトーンが激変したのって、魂を浄化するためとかじゃないよね?暗すぎ・ドラマチックすぎって理由はやめてほしいんだけど!ギャル
Frontier246
Minato could tell she put up a wall at the end. It could be because he's very socially aware but I wonder if it's because he's done something similar.
湊は最後に彼女が壁を作ったことに気づいてたね。彼がすごく社交的に敏感だからかもしれないけど、もしかしたら自分も似たようなことをしたからかなって思う。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
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I wouldn't think he did the same thing. He clearly does not have big issues with being close. So I doubt he put up a wall. At best in the past (but it might also just be that he knew someone similar before). Personally, my idea is that the people not only differ in what their different personalities are, but also why they have them in the first place. We know Koyuki build up a wall because she was bullied in middle school. But she doesn't actually want to be seen that way. Which is different to her friend Miki. Because while it seems that this wrong impression was on accident originally, she also said that, once she enters a classroom, she switches herself as well. So it might be that she kind of enjoys being seen this way and therefore plays the idol role. But she is also conflicted if it is okay to be seen as a totally different person (so it's not like she is not conflicted at all when it comes to that, probably because there is always a chance that people can see "your true self" and then what happens). With the boys, we don't know enough yet to build a theory I feel, but I wouldn't be surprised if the reasoning is different for them.
あいつは同じことやってないと思うわ。そもそも距離感に悩んでる感じしないし、壁作ったりはしてないやろ。せいぜい過去に似たような奴知ってた程度かもな。ワイ的には、キャラの違いって中身だけでなく、その理由も違うと思うんよ。小雪は中学でいじめられたから壁作ったけど、あれはホントは見られたくない姿やろ?でもミキは違う。最初は偶然の誤解だったけど、教室入ると自分からスイッチ入れるって言ってたし。ある意味アイドル役楽しんでる節あるわ。ただ、全く別人として見られることに葛藤もしてるみたいやけどな(本当の自分が見られたらどうなるかって不安もあるんやろ)。男子組はまだ情報足りんから理論立てられんけど、彼らなりに別の理由があるとしても驚かんわ。2ちゃん
Nachtwandler_FS
He may be hiding his real personality under this extrovert interface.
あの外向的な態度は、実は本当の性格を隠すための仮面かもしれないね。普通くん
CitronClassic672
Renako Amaori, you killed the girl, but the idea, lol.
レナコ・アマオリ、お前はあの子を殺したけど、そのアイデアは最高すぎるッ!笑感情くん
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