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熱川真夏の妹・秋音との出会いをきっかけに、小雪の中に思い出したくなかった中学時代が蘇る。真夏との確執、五十嵐と付き合った理由など、思い出したくなかった過去が、今の小雪の日常を再び侵食し始める。
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TheBusStop12
I'm impressed with Koyuns VA, Anna Nagase. She's relatively new and only started getting main roles around last year (Natsuki from Zenshu, Naoki from Takopi, Iroha from Kaguya) and now this season she has2 major talk heavy lead roles, Koyun from Ramparts and Akane from Akane-Banashi. And she does an amazing job differentiating the characters
小清水の声優・長瀬アンナの演技力に感銘を受けた。彼女は比較的新人で、昨年あたりから主要キャラを演じ始めたばかり(全修の夏樹、タコピーの直樹、かぐやのいろは)だが、今期は氷の城壁の小春とあかね噺のあかねという、セリフ量の多い主役を2本掛け持ちしている。しかも両キャラを見事に演じ分けている点が素晴らしい。新人とは思えない表現力の幅だ。考察くん
runevault
Anna as Akane is insane . There were times last episode I had to remind myself the various characters from the Jugemu didn't have different VAs she was so good.
アカネ役のアンナ、やばすぎじゃん!?前回のエピソード、ジュゲムのキャラたちが別々の声優だっての忘れそうになったわ、それくらいうますぎて笑ギャル
TheBusStop12
I just finished catching up to Akane-Banashi, and that vocal performance in Jugemu was amazing. VA of the season if you ask me
草、Jugemuのあの声優の演技ガチでヤバかったンゴwww 今期のMVPは間違いなくあの人やろ。2ちゃん
xnef1025
Well crap, I've been watching Ramparts as a dub (and the English VAs are doing a fine job), but now I guess I need to go back and watch the subs.
ふっ…まさか我が視聴体験に亀裂が入るとはな。英語吹き替えも悪くはなかったが、真実は字幕版の闇に眠っているようだ。過去へと時を遡り、本来の姿を追体験せねばなるまい。中二病
GtrsRE
Empathy~
共感しかないわ…2ちゃん
Mons9090
Easily
簡単だね普通くん
Zemahem
She already had a lead role all the way back in 2022 as Ushio from Summertime Rendering and she was awesome there too.
2022年のサマータイムレンダで潮役をやってた時も良かったな。悪くなかったよ。ドライおじ
TheBusStop12
For some reason the site I was looking at just straight up doesn't acknowledge that Summer Time Rendering exists, so I didn't realize she was Ushio as well. She was indeed awesome there roo
草、サイトがサマータイムレンダを完全に無視しててワイも気づかんかったわww 確かに彼女はあれでウシオやったンゴねぇ……あの作品でもガチで神演技やったわwww2ちゃん
OmegaDez
I don't understand why people ignore the existence of Summertime. It's an amazing anime.
わかんないけどなんでみんなサマータイムレンダを無視するんだろう。めっちゃいいアニメだと思うんだけどな。普通くん
Frontier246
Also Harley Quinn who was basically the lead in Suicide Squad Isekai.
まあハーレイ・クインは『Suicide Squad Isekai』で実質的な主役だったよな。悪くなかったと思う。ドライおじ
Apprehensive-Pear686
More people should watch this underrated gem
ふむ…この隠された珠玉の物語を、まだ見ぬ者たちに啓示を授けるべきだな。中二病
Frontier246
Kind of wild that they have Akari Kito showing up in a supporting role as a likely Losing Heroine this late into the shows' run.
鬼頭明里が今更サブキャラで登場して、しかも負けヒロイン濃厚ってのヤバすぎるッ!ちょっと驚いたわ…感情くん
TheBusStop12
原文
Probably because while in Blue Box the love triangle was the main source of drama for an entire cour, in Ramparts the main source of drama is instead the inner psyche and emotional bagage and hangups of these characters. The love triangle to break the stalemate is purely a tool for development instead of the plot itself, and thus there's no point in her showing up until when she's needed in the plot as she would just detract from it otherwise
確かに。ブルーボックスは三角関係が1クール通してメインのドラマになってたけど、氷の城壁ではキャラの内面や過去のトラウマが主軸だよね。三角関係はあくまで発展のきっかけでプロットそのものじゃないから、必要な時まで出てこなくて正解だと思う。普通くん
Pale_Fig7909
Akari Kitou who voiced Yashiro from Hanako-kun, Kou also from Hanako-kun that's voiced by Chiba, Shouya is here.
やばくね!?花子くんの八尋役の鬼頭明里と、同じく花子くんの光役の千葉翔也、そしてしょうやもいるじゃん!豪華すぎてやばいんだけど笑ギャル
watervinesandflowers
Anna Nagase is Koyun AND Akane? How did I not catch this?! I was so impressed with "both" of their VAs, (even more so lately with the last few episodes of both series), turns out it's the same person. That is another level of talented.
なるほど、Anna Nagaseが小雲とアカネの一人二役だったのか。これまで「両方」の声優に感銘を受けていたが(特に両シリーズの最近のエピソードで)、同一人物だったとは。これはもう次元の違う才能だと言わざるを得ない。考察くん
sohvan
Makina from Milky☆Subway last year was also a stand-out role.
ミルキィ☆サブウェイのマキナ役も去年めっちゃ光ってたンゴwww ガチで印象に残ってるわ2ちゃん
Ok_Calligrapher_6797
Plus Kache in Needy Girl Overdose, who's a relevant character in the show and has great moments. This is basically her season
拙者、『Needy Girl Overdose』のカチェ殿も推すでござる。作中で重要な役割を担い、見事な場面が多々ある。今回の話は、まさに彼女の季節であるな。武士
Timaeus_L
She was Ushio in Summertime Render
草、まじかよw 確かに声聞いてて「あれ?」って思ったわw あの子がSummertime Renderの潮だったのかwwwwwwおじ
TheBusStop12
Yeah, the site I looked at for some reason didn't list Summer Time Rendering. She was great in that too
確かに、俺が見たサイトには何故かサマータイムレンダが載ってなかったんだよね。あの作品での彼女も良かったと思う。普通くん
DrStein1010
You forgot Summer Time Render, where she killed it as the (co-)MC.
お忘れかと思うが、『Summer Time Render』にて彼女が(準)主人公として見事に演じきったのでござる。武士
TheBusStop12
Yeah, the site I looked at for some reason didn't list Summer Time Rendering. She was great in that too
それな!夏目響ちゃんまじでやばかったよね!あの作品での彼女の演技も神だったし、てかサイトのリストから漏れてるの意味わからんくない!?笑ギャル
Tarta35
I wasn't sure wether to start reading akane banashi manga again or watch the anime but i would've never thought that Koyun's VA does Akane too (they are completely different charachters 😆).
コユンの声優さんがアカネもやってるって知らなかったよ(キャラ全然違うのにね笑)。アカネバナシのマンガ読み直すかアニメ観るか迷ってたけど、これは嬉しい発見だね。普通くん
TheBusStop12
Their voices are also completely different. Koyun is relatively deep, quiet and a bit raspy at times, while Akane is very clear and poppy. She's good
声も全然違うんだよなッ!コユンの声は結構低めで落ち着いてて、時々かすれる感じ。一方アカネはすごくクリアでポップな声。彼女めっちゃ上手いよなッ!感情くん
Weekly_Implement2700
She is also the VA for Himekawa (the orange hair shark girl) in Marriagetoxin, its so peak as well.
彼女はマリッジトキシンの姫川(オレンジ髪のサメの女の子)の声優もやってるんだよね。あれもめっちゃ最高。普通くん
AllThingsDragon
Koyuki's middle school was just straight up hell, holy shit. Guys liked her so they messed with her, girls didn't like her so they messed with her... These high school dramas get a little too real sometimes bc I think we all remember those classmates who hated you just for existing around them DX Also, tactical Momoka en route to our location. Brace for impact
小雪の中学校、ガチで地獄すぎやろ草。男は好きだからちょっかい出してきて、女は嫌いだから絡んでくるって…こういう高校ドラマってたまにリアルすぎて辛いンゴ。誰しも「存在してるだけでムカつく」ってクラスメートいたやん。あと、戦術的なももかがこっちに向かってるぞ。衝撃に備えろ。2ちゃん
Frontier246
Also, tactical Momoka en route to our location. Brace for impact Welcome back Hina from Blue Box.
やばくね!?タクティカルももかがこっちに来てるらしいよ。衝撃に備えなきゃ!そしてブルーボックスのひな、おかえりじゃん!ギャル
zool714
Minato’s VA is Taiki’s too
湊の声優、タイキと同じなんだね普通くん
BaytaCosmico
Ooh that's a cool coincidence!
えーそれやばくね!?超偶然じゃん!ギャル
drt0
I don't know if this is Hina slander because we don't know much about Momoka but I won't stand for it if it is!
もしこれがモモカについての情報不足から来た陽菜へのディスりなら知らんけど、もしそうなら俺は絶対に認めないぞッ!感情くん
Lazy-Middle8210
nah fr hina wannabe he’s not getting taken away
それな、ヒナみたいな真似してるけど連れてかれるってことはないだろ普通くん
hikoboshi_sama
Don't forget in the middle of it all, her parents divorced. Koyun is straight up not having a good time in middle school.
それの真ん中で親が離婚してるの忘れちゃダメだよ…。小春、マジで中学時代が地獄すぎるッ!しんどい…感情くん
Frontier246
Her parents divorce also probably colored her view of romantic love too.
両親の離婚が彼女の恋愛観に影響与えたんやろな…ワイもそれガチで思うわ2ちゃん
Zemahem
原文
And it's not from a lack of trying on Koyuki's part. She actually tried to extend an olive branch to Manatsu. In a different series, that would've been the catalyst for them becoming genuine friends. But nah, that girl is just a rotten egg. Hell, even if she didn't try, she was just trying to live her damn life. It's pure bad luck she got under the crosshairs of the pettiest prick ever that hated her for no good reason.
小雪が努力しなかったわけじゃないんだよな。実際にマナツに歩み寄ろうとしてたし。別の作品ならそれがきっかけで本当の友達になってたかもしれない。でも違う、あの子は根っからのクズだ。いや、例え歩み寄らなくても、ただ自分の人生を生きてただけだろ。理由もなく恨む最低のクソ野郎の標的にされたのは、完全に運が悪かっただけだ。普通くん
eightcheesepizza
原文
Almost everyone was fine to me when I was growing up, which makes it weird that I first met someone like Manatsu in grad school . Someone who only is nice to you if they have something immediate to gain from you, on a psychopathic level. If you had value to him, he'd act like the greatest guy in the world. If you didn't, he'd just offload his crap onto you and talk about you behind your back. It was nuts watching him flip the switch going between different people. Anyway, he's a professor now. Sorry for everyone at that university, and his research field.
なるほど、これは興味深い分析だ。幼少期は周囲に恵まれていたのに、大学院で初めて真夏のような人物に出会ったという経験は、逆にその異常性が際立つという考察ができる。彼の行動パターンはまさにサイコパス的な利己主義の典型で、相手に価値があるかどうかで態度を180度変える二面性は、人間関係の本質を考える上で重要なケーススタディだと言える。相手に利用価値があるときは理想的な人間を演じ、ないときはゴミを押し付けて陰口を叩く——この切り替えの瞬間を目の当たりにした衝撃は計り知れない。結局教授になったというオチも、ある種の皮肉が効いているな。考察くん
Kirosh2
Not only that, but she also had her issues with her parents to deal with at the same time. So it's no wonder she created a wall between her and others.
それだけじゃなくてさ、同時に親との問題も抱えてたんだよね。だから他人と壁作っちゃうのも納得じゃん!ギャル
PeaceAlien
Worried this new girl that's interested in Minato will bring up Koyuki's past experience and get in the way of the Minato/Koyuki ship
草、新ヒロイン来たのかよ 氷柱の過去掘り返して湊との関係邪魔しそうで不安やわ 湊と氷柱の進展見たいのに邪魔すんなや2ちゃん
ThrowCarp
That flashback was straight up social anxiety inducing. I wouldn't be able to survive that.
あの回想シーン、社会不安がヤバかったわw あれは生き残れねぇなwwwwwwおじ
1832vini
These high school dramas get a little too real sometimes bc I think we all remember those classmates who hated you just for existing around them DX lol. just be a loner. problem solved. trade problems with problems
こういう高校ドラマって時々リアルすぎるんだよな。だって周りにいるだけで嫌ってくるクラスメイト、誰でも覚えがあるでしょDX lol。孤独になればいい。問題解決。問題を問題で相殺しろって話。普通くん
Primo29
Nothing says "high school" quite like people messing with you for no reason other than they can. Absolutely ridiculous!
ワイの高校時代もまさにこれやったわ。理由もなく絡んでくるクソガキおったンゴwww マジでありえへんわ2ちゃん
Frontier246
At least Koyun has upgraded to people teasing her affectionately and in a way she can properly respond to.
確かに!コユン、ちょっと進化したじゃん!?からかい方も優しくなって、ちゃんと返せる感じになっててまじで嬉しいんだけど笑ギャル
Nedstark78
Minato and her banter is kinda not like her a yota but don't think Koyuki realizes it that Minato gives off o love you vibes but other girls can
湊との軽口がちょっとらしくないンゴねぇ…でも小雪は気づいてないやろ、湊が「大好き」オーラ出しまくってるのに。他の女には出さへんやつやで。2ちゃん
DanielAlves1904
I´m still hoping for a reason. It´s already *bad (edit) enough not having justifications in real life, at least give me some in fiction.
まだ理由があることを願ってるよ。現実で正当性がないのはもう十分嫌ってほど味わってるんだから、せめてフィクションの中では教えてほしいんだ。普通くん
clone69
You mean Atagawa? It looked to me like plain jealousy. Jealousy that Koyuki was close to the upperclassmen, jealousy that Igarashi was into her... They were middle schoolers, thinking rationally is not their forte
あのアタガワのことか?俺の考察だと、あれは単純な嫉妬だったんだよ。小雪が先輩たちと仲良くしてる嫉妬、五十嵐が小雪に気があることへの嫉妬……彼らは中学生で、理性的に考えるのは得意じゃないってのが伏線だと思われる。考察くん
DanielAlves1904
It should be. Or maybe my problem is that her reasons don´t make sense to me, or at least the way she dealt with them.
確かにそうかも。でも俺には彼女の理由が理解できなかったし、少なくとも対処法が意味不明すぎるッ!感情くん
clone69
Well, she was a middle schooler at the time. It only mattered if her reasons made sense to her at that moment. As stated before, rational thinking is not a middle schooler's forte
まあその時は中学生やったしな。その時点で本人にとって納得できる理由があればそれでええんやろ。言うても、理性的な思考は中学生の得意分野ちゃうしな。2ちゃん
DanielAlves1904
Not her forte at least. As dumb as I probably was in middle school, doing what she did didn´t even cross my mind. Why would anyone do that to other people? Just mind your business and leave people alone.
確かに彼女の得意分野じゃないよね。自分も中学生の頃はバカだったけど、あんなことするなんて考えもしなかったよ。なんで他人にああいうことするんだろうね。余計なことに首突っ込まないで、ほっといてやればいいのに。普通くん
Zeallfnonex
People get a thrill out of knowing that they have someone else under their power. She didn't really have any other reason than that, except maybe she also cemented her spot in her friendgroup by "othering" Koyuki. People suck. Sometimes there isn't much more of a reason than that.
せやな、他人を支配下に置く快感ってやつやろ。彼女の動機はそれだけやったんやろな、強いて言えば小雪を「異端扱い」することで自分のグループ内の立場を固めたかっただけ。人間ってクソやな。理由なんてそんなもんや。2ちゃん
DanielAlves1904
People not having a reason for things, specifically when it´s a bad thing, drives me nuts.
理由もなく物事が起こる、特に悪いことだと、すごくイライラするんだよね。普通くん
Donnie-G
Thing is she introduced her to the upperclassmen. You'd think that'd be enough of an olive branch. Nope, just has to gripe about her personality and behaviour and whatever else afterwards.
確かに先輩に紹介してやったのはデカいけどさ……それだけじゃ足りないってか? いやいや、その後も性格とか態度とかグチグチ文句言い続けてるのがマジで無理すぎるッ!感情くん
eP1C_GaMePLaY
原文
The quality of the episodes just keep increasing undeniably so! As I said on last weeks discussion, with the series' best cliffhanger / ending song transition, Koyun definitely messed up by dating Igarashi just to get back at a bully. But MAN, the confirmation with the amazing flashbacks is the PEAK Ramparts that continued being amazing for 8 whole minutes! That middle school love triangle involved 3 kids who were just immature and kept hurting themselves and each other, it's a pity, and we know that 2 of them, Koyun and Igarashi, are the two who's being haunted by their past. You just have to wish for the best for Koyun!!! As for the rest of the episode, the dynamic of our 4 initial characters have now stabalized and been put into place after delivering us amazing interactions until now. Now, we're entering new grounds with this 3 new characters and MY GOD they're definitely interesting! One thing I love about this show, that I don't see people point out, and I don't think it's even common in the first place, is how AMAZING this show is as a mystery. It gives you the right amount of questions and the right amount of answers, nothing more, nothing less, and in a very entertaining show! GODDD, I love this show. It's amazing... also I'm a Minato x Koyun since episode one, I mean, you can just feel it in the first interaction but HERE WE ARE NOW. The cute romantic moments, the greatly-written characterization, the amazing presentation and direction, the STORY? Too many praises, this show. This show is THE BEST! ONE OF THE BEST SHOWS EVER!
エピソードの質が確実に上がり続けてるよね!前回の議論でも言ったけど、最高のクリフハンガーとエンディング曲への移行で、小弓がいじめへの仕返しのために五十嵐と付き合ったのは確かに間違いだった。でも、あの素晴らしいフラッシュバックで確認できたのは、8分間も続くピークのランパーツだった!中学生の三角関係は、未熟な3人の子供たちがお互いを傷つけ合ってただけで、本当に残念。そのうち2人、小弓と五十嵐は過去に悩まされてるんだよね。小弓には幸せになってほしい!残りのエピソードでは、最初の4人のキャラクターの関係性が安定して、素晴らしいやり取りを経てようやく落ち着いた感じ。そして新たな3人のキャラクターが登場して、めっちゃ興味深い!この作品の好きなところで、あまり指摘されないけど、ミステリーとしての完成度の高さ。適切な疑問と適切な答えをバランスよく与えてくれる。本当に大好き!あと、俺はエピソード1から湊×小弓推し。最初のやり取りで感じたけど、まさかここまで来るとはね。可愛いロマンチックな瞬間、素晴らしいキャラ描写、演出、ストーリー…褒めすぎだけど、この作品は最高!史上最高の作品の一つだよ!普通くん
Frontier246
原文
One thing I love about this show, that I don't see people point out, and I don't think it's even common in the first place, is how AMAZING this show is as a mystery. It gives you the right amount of questions and the right amount of answers, nothing more, nothing less, and in a very entertaining show! You never really get a full sense of anyone, their true personality, problems, background, etc. until the show is ready to fully unveil it to you.
このアニメのミステリーとしての完成度、マジで草生えるくらいスゲェわ。誰もそこ指摘せんけどな!質問と答えのバランスが完璧で、余計な情報一切なし。しかもエンタメ性も高いンゴwwwキャラの本性や過去も、作品が明かすタイミングまで全然わからんのがまた良いんや。2ちゃん
eP1C_GaMePLaY
原文
Akine and Momoka have only just been introduced YET you get sucked in into what's been shown of their characters so far! It's just little bits but they already feel like interesting characters, you can't help but be curious about what they're personalities are even though some of their personalities are being shown! It's genuinely amazing writing at this point from the author of where they are to put the details of this and that into the random parts of the story.
確かに、秋音と桃花は導入されたばかりなのに、既にキャラの魅力に引き込まれるよね。断片的な描写なのに、それぞれの個性がしっかり伝わってくる。作者は物語の細部に意図的に伏線や設定を散りばめていると考察できる。この時点でこれだけ興味を引かせるのは、本当に巧みな脚本構成だと思う。考察くん
RPO777
原文
What's underrated is not only the depth of the characters but the economy of the writing that makes depicting that depth possible. Like coming up and imagining well thought out deep personalities is hard enough. But then showing the reader/viewer what those personalities are in interesting and revealing ways in as short a span as possible (in a few frames, a few scenes) is crucial. Because nobody wants to spend 20 minutes learning about the backstory of a side character without advancing the main plot, but if that same amount of information can be conveyed in 20 seconds, it becomes inredibly interesting context and depth. Communicating lots of information is one of Agasawa's greatest strengths and that's what really makes these huge ensemble casts work,
評価されてないのはキャラの深さだけじゃなくて、それを描くための脚本の経済性だと思う。しっかり考えられた深い性格を思い付くだけでも大変なのに、それを数カットや数シーンで面白く見せるのが大事なんだよね。だってメインの話を進めずにサイドキャラの過去を20分聞きたい人なんていないけど、同じ情報を20秒で伝えられたらすごく興味深くなる。情報を効率よく伝えるのが赤坂の強みで、それが大所帯キャストを成立させてるんだと思う。普通くん
mekerpan
At this point, I really feel bad for Igarashi. I am sure his behavior was far from perfect, but he really did seem to care for Koyun and did get treated quite badly by him in the end. I wonder just how Akine will fit in? Was her big sister as shitty towards her as she was to Koyun? Momoka does not send out good vibes to me. I wonder how good a friend she actually is to Akine?
この時点で、五十嵐には本当に同情してしまう。彼の行動が完璧だったとは言えないけど、小雲のことを気にかけていたのは確かだし、最終的にはかなりひどい扱いを受けたよな。アキネがどう関わってくるのか気になる。彼女の姉は、小雲に対するのと同じくらい彼女にも酷かったのか?モモカからは良い印象を受けないな。彼女が実際にアキネにとってどれだけ良い友達なのか、疑問に思う。考察くん
eP1C_GaMePLaY
Igarashi just didn't know how to be a boyfriend, feels bad. Akine definitely seems different with her sister's personality though close in bond as shown having a picture together (that's what I think at least), and Momoka is almost setting up to be a rival to Koyun but not in the typical aggressive fashion. What these 3 commonly share is I WANT TO SEE THEM AND GET TO KNOW THEM MORE!
五十嵐は彼氏のやり方がわからなかったんだな、なんか切ない。秋音は妹と性格は違うけど、一緒に写真を持ってるくらい絆は強いみたいだし(少なくともそう思う)、桃花は小雲のライバルになりつつあるけど、典型的な攻撃的な感じじゃない。この3人に共通してるのは、もっと見たいし知りたいってこと!普通くん
mekerpan
I am betting that Akine and her big sister do NOT have an idyllic sororal relationship.
ワイはアキネと姉ちゃんの姉妹関係は絶対に理想的なもんじゃないと賭けるわwww2ちゃん
lhsakurai
I bet Akine has a similar personality to Koyun, usually siblings tend to have opposite personalities and she is giving the same vibes of Koyun on the first episodes of the show.
まじでアキネってコユンと性格似てるんじゃね?笑 兄弟ってたいてい正反対の性格になりがちなんだけど、彼女は最初の数話で見せたコユンと同じ雰囲気出してるんだよねー!やばくない?ギャル
mekerpan
She seems to have a higher level of "self-possession" than Koyun did at the start of high school. But she does seem similar overall....
草、確かに高1のコユンよりは落ち着いてる感あるわ でも全体的な雰囲気は似てるンゴねぇ…2ちゃん
Kronman590
The fact that Akine was the type to say "fuck no im not invading people's boundaries" compared to her sister who just actively shittalks behind peoples backs says a lot i think
あきねが「無理無理、人の領域に踏み込むとか絶対しない」ってタイプなのに対し、妹は平気で陰口叩いてるの、性格の違いが如実に出ててやばい。考えさせられるわ〜感情くん
Kirbyundertale
I got the vibe that she was trying to delete the picture with her sister
え、まじで!?あの妹との写真消そうとしてた感じやばくね!?ギャル
padlock3456
It honestly feels like Igarashi was an innocent bystander. Which is a complete 180 to how I felt at the beginning of the show. Koyun was quite devious herself in middle school.
五十嵐は最初から最後まで無実の傍観者だった気がするな。でもそれって、作品の最初に感じた印象とは真逆だよね。小雲も中学生の時は結構したたかだったし。普通くん
mekerpan
One wonders how different it would have been if he had actually listened to her and had interest in what she liked ,-- rather than treating her as an abstract generic girlfriend?
もし彼が彼女の話をちゃんと聞いて、彼女の好きなものに興味を持ってたら……ただの抽象的な「彼女」扱いじゃなくてさ。どれだけ違ってたんだろうな。しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
Zeallfnonex
Welllllll not completely innocent, he didn't verify that his feelings were going to be reciprocated and just kinda assumed they'd be. Again, more ignorant and immature than intentional, but he doesn't come out of this smelling like roses either.
まあ完全に無実ってわけでもないよね。自分の気持ちが通じるか確かめもせずに勝手に決めつけてたし。意図的っていうより無知で未熟って感じだけど、彼も完全に綺麗なままってわけじゃないと思う。普通くん
sakayasakura
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I also feel bad for igarashi, HOWEVER, the little part where minato was like “omg i know that!! I like that story too” when he asks koyun what book she was reading and koyun thinks back to how igarashi didn’t really care/know about her interests really shows why she probably never fell/liked him more romantically. she wasn’t touched by his actions, personality, or whatever, but with minato she is !! he interacts well and tries his best and they’re able to communicate very well , it’s so cute and i understand koyun in that sense.. like make the effort to show interests in me and what i like if you actually like me !!! yk?!?
ワイも五十嵐には同情するわ…でもな、小雲が読んでた本を湊が「それ知ってる!ワイも好きやで!」って言った場面、めっちゃ大事やろ。五十嵐は小雲の趣味に興味示さなかったのに、湊はガチで向き合おうとしてる。行動や性格に心動かされてないのが如実に出てるやん。湊はちゃんとコミュニケーション取れてて、努力もしてる。小雲の気持ち、ワイもわかるンゴ…「本当に好きならこっちの興味にも寄り添えや!」って話やんな。草2ちゃん
aceswildfire
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My immediate theory is that Akine is probably a red herring. I think that even if she dislikes Koyun, it'll get resolved quickly when they interact, but if she's just indifferent to Koyun then that friendship will happen even faster. I suspect (especially with how she did not seem to enjoy that picture at the end) that she knows her sister is a bitch and any curiosity about Koyun stems from that and wanting to know who Koyun actually is. Akine will join the group, and quickly I think. But Monoka is definitely not a good addition. I already dislike most of her behavior and see her becoming aggressive and problematic. The character writing in this show has been really good though, so I hope that Minato will be able to step up even more.
まずアキネはおそらくミスリード要因だという考察ができる。たとえ彼女がコユンに反感を持っていても、実際に交流すればすぐに解決されるだろう。むしろ無関心なら友情はより早く成立すると思われる。特に最後の写真を楽しんでいなかった点を踏まえると、彼女は姉がクズだと認識しており、コユンへの興味はそこから派生して「本当のコユン」を知りたいという欲求から来ている可能性が高い。アキネはすぐにグループに加わると予想。しかしモノカは良い追加要素とは言えない。すでに彼女の行動の大半に違和感があり、攻撃的で問題を起こすキャラになる展開が読める。ただ本作のキャラクター描写は非常に質が高いので、ミナトがさらに成長してくれることを期待したい。考察くん
AwesomeNino
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"GODDD, I love this show. It's amazing... also I'm a Minato x Koyun since episode one, I mean, you can just feel it in the first interaction but HERE WE ARE NOW." Its amazing how the author turned Minato into such a likeable character. I didn't liked him at first for his wannabe Ayanokoji antics, but as the series progressed and we get to know more about him, I can't help but root for Minato atp and I want Koyan X Minato to happen
ガチでこのアニメ好きすぎるわ…神やんこれ。ワイは第1話からもう湊×小弓派やったんやけど、最初のやり取りで既に感じ取れたわ。でも今ここでこの展開かよ草。作者、湊をここまで魅力的なキャラに仕上げたのマジすげえわ。最初は綾小路ごっこしてんのかと思って嫌いやったけど、話進むにつれて知れば知るほど応援したくなるンゴwww 小弓×湊は絶対くっついてほしいわ。2ちゃん
Pale_Fig7909
Watching this show feels like A Shounen series with fights or intense moments but it's all romance.
これ見てるとさ、バトルとか熱い展開ある少年漫画みたいな感じなんだけど、全部恋愛なんだよね!やばくね!?笑ギャル
VoidRay728
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Oh man. Looks like Momoka will be the one to finally push Minato over the edge and get him to accept that he actually likes Koyun; we already have everyone (Minato included) under the false impression that Koyun and Yota like each other. The fact that Momoka is being (or plans to be) that aggressive in pursuing Minato, while Minato does not appear to be that receptive, suggests that something won't work out and will crash in a spectacular way. (This is also suggested by what Koyun says about love compatibility in the restaurant.)
おっ、これは興味深い展開だな。百加が最終的に湊を追い詰めて、彼が小雲への本当の気持ちを認めさせる役割を担うんだろうな。現時点では全員(湊自身も含めて)が小雲と陽太が両想いだと誤解している。百加が湊に対して積極的にアプローチする一方で、湊があまり乗り気じゃないという構図を見ると、何かが上手くいかずに派手に破綻する未来が予想される。これはレストランで小雲が恋愛の相性について語ったセリフとも符号する伏線だと思われる。考察くん
Frontier246
Akari Kito characters are destined to be Losing Heroines to Shoya Chiba male leads so they can double down on their feelings for girls with brown hair.
確かに、鬼頭明里のキャラは男主人公に負けヒロインになる運命なんだね。でもそれが茶髪の女の子への想いを強くしてるってのは面白い見方だな。普通くん
alan_14
I just remember Blue Box S2 is scheduled for October. It would be painful to watch if Ramparts of Ice S2 also aiming for October release.
やばっ!Blue Box S2が10月なんだって!?氷の城壁S2も10月狙ってたらまじで地獄じゃん笑ギャル
Beautiful-Bit3929
don't worry blue box s2 will cover the best part and i don't remember it having much drama
ブルーボックスS2は最高のパートやで。あんまドラマなかった気がするし安心して待てるンゴwww2ちゃん
Skeith_yip
I was checking the VAs out.. and then realised Akari Kitō is voicing Momoka.. then i go.. "oh no. Not again... "
キートウアカリがモモカの声優って知って「ああ…またかよ…」ってなったわ…ッ!感情くん
Roskal
I'm curious if Momoka being aggressive will cause Koyun to realise she also has feelings for Minato or not. Next episode is the finale right? I think they'll have to end the season with at least mutual interest from Koyun's and possibly Miki to Yota too. Edit: not the finale, 3 episodes left.
ももかの攻め方がエグすぎて、小春が自分の湊への気づいてない感情に気づくかどうか気になるわ。次回最終回やろ?小春→湊、三希→陽太の両思いくらいで今期終わらせてほしいンゴ。追記:最終回じゃなくてあと3話残ってたわ。2ちゃん
SirGigglesandLaughs
Not the finale. I'm pretty sure it's 14 episodes.
まじで!?最終回じゃないの!?てか全14話あるっぽいじゃん!やばくね!?続きが気になるんだけど!笑ギャル
TheBusStop12
That is fantastic news. I was convinced next week would be the last episode and it made me sad That means the last episode will be on July 2, and Polar Opposites Season 2 starts on July 5. That's even better news. I don't need to go cold turkey on Kocha Agasawa
それは素晴らしいニュースだね。来週が最終回だと思ってて悲しかったんだよ。つまり最終回は7月2日で、Polar Opposites シーズン2が7月5日に始まるってことか。さらにいい知らせだ。古賀あがさわを急に観られなくなる心配がなくなった。普通くん
ClemFire
Kocha Agasawa is going so crazy on romance for this year.
Kocha Agasawa今年の恋愛描写がヤバすぎるッ!エモすぎて優勝だわ!感情くん
Roskal
Thats good, I actually just looked it up and was going to go back and edit my comment because I couldn't see how 1 more could wrap it up nicely.
確かに、俺も調べてみたんだけど、あと1話じゃうまくまとまらない気がしてたんだよね。普通くん
SirGigglesandLaughs
It'll end in the middle of thinga no matter what honestly but yeah ending next episode would be too much. Just need a season 2 announcement.
正直どこで切っても中途半端になるンゴねぇ……でも次回で終わりはさすがに無理あるやろ。とりあえず2期発表してくれ。2ちゃん
Tricky-Ad7897
hopefully they follow You and I are Polar Opposites example and announce season 2 for fall, and we can have the year of Koucha Agasawa lol.
「ユーアイポーラー」みたいに秋に2期発表してくれたらいいな。そしたら阿賀沢红茶の年になるじゃん笑普通くん
SirGigglesandLaughs
Definitely because this season's ending will likely leave people wanting more since this series is much more dramatic.
まじでそれ!今期のラスト、めっちゃドラマチックだから絶対続き気になるやつじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
Zeallfnonex
I think Minato's realized that for awhile; this might be sufficient to push him to act on it again though, after he's basically sworn off acting on impulse for the past couple months.
湊はもうしばらく前からそれに気づいてたんだと思う。でも、ここ数ヶ月は衝動的に行動するのを控えてたから、今回のことがまた動き出すきっかけになりそうだね。普通くん
zool714
原文
Igarashi looking less and less antagonistic now. He was just a guy trying his best for the girl he likes. Honestly, doesn’t even seemed like he did much wrong. Maybe a bit rash but was forward with his interest, waved off other girls’ interests and protected his gf. Unfortunately, Koyun just couldn’t develop similar feelings. And funny even Koyun sees how hostile she was being towards Minato now that she knows him better. Who knew Minato’s in-your-face approach would come back to help her now lol
五十嵐、だんだん敵対的に見えなくなってきたな。結局好きな女の子のために頑張ってただけの男やん。正直あんま悪いことしてない気すらするわ。ちょっとガッツリしすぎたとこはあるけど、好意はストレートに出して他の女の子の誘いは断って彼女守ってたしな。残念なのは小春が同じ気持ちになれなかっただけで。しかも小春本人がミナトのこと知るにつれて自分がどんだけ冷たくしてたか自覚してるの笑えるわ。まさかミナトのガンガン行くスタイルが今になって役立つとはなww2ちゃん
Ok-Cod5254
Yeah, it is interesting how they flip expectations with Igarashi and Koyuki from the beginning. At worst, he was bad at flirting with his initial tsundere act. lol Despite how flawed Koyuki was before with techinically using him, she still remained a very likeable character since we can be sympathetic enough to her from the past before, and we can see how she is changing in the present.
確かに、最初から五十嵐と小雪の関係で期待を裏切る展開は面白いね。最初のツンデレっぷりで口説き方が下手なのは笑えたわ。過去の利用してた部分はあれど、小雪の過去に共感できるし、今の変化も見えて好感持てるキャラだと思う。普通くん
Kronman590
I wonder if the series can pull some sort of twist with Manatsu because literally every thing weve seen of her from every perspective is just awful lol But i guess it is a form of realism that there are just vapid bullies out there
この作品は、マナツに関して何かしらのどんでん返しを仕掛けてくるんだろうか?現時点で彼女をあらゆる角度から見ても、ただただ酷い人間にしか見えないんだよな(笑)。でも、現実には空虚ないじめっ子が存在するっていうリアリティを描いてる可能性もある。制作陣の意図を考えると、単なるステレオタイプではなく、彼女の行動に何か伏線が張られてるのか気になる。考察くん
FabtheEmber
原文
Honestly even if she doesn't have a good side she isn't like a lot of empty bullies you see in most shows and be like why is she liked. Manatsu was apparently really good at basketball, had the other girls look up to her, even before starting bullying she tests the waters with simple statements before escalating it. She is a user and she is damn smart, and also realistic. She doesn't bully for no reason. The way things escalated. Waah I got chills during the flashback
正直、彼女に良い面がなくても、大抵のアニメに出てくるただの空っぽないじめっ子とは違うんだよね。なぜ人気なのか不思議に思うようなキャラじゃない。真夏はバスケがすごく上手くて、他の女子からも慕われてた。いじめを始める前も、簡単な発言で様子を見てからエスカレートさせてる。計算高いし、めちゃくちゃ賢いし、リアルだよ。理由もなくいじめてるわけじゃない。あの展開の仕方…回想シーンで震えたわ。普通くん
HornedTurtle1212
I was really surprised how manipulative Koyuki was after Miki got taken to the Nurses' office. She easily maneuvered Manatsu into showing her bad side to Igarashi and the rest of the class. From how much Koyuki shut everyone out at the beginning of the show I really expected her to be the victim of everything that happened in middle school.
小夜が三木を保健室に連れて行った後の、あの巧妙な操作には驚かされたよ。彼女は簡単に真夏を操って、五十嵐たちクラスメートの前で悪い面を見せるように仕向けた。物語序盤で小夜が周囲をシャットアウトしていた様子を見ると、てっきり中学時代の出来事全てにおいて彼女が被害者だったんだろうと思ってたんだが……これはその認識を覆す伏線だったと考察できる。考察くん
FabtheEmber
原文
Yes Koyun is amazing. Anime onlies were being too protective of her and putting all hate and fault on Minato. Not saying he wasn't wrong but as a manga reader it felt unfair to give her that much slack where she never says what she wants clearly and lashes out and somehow it is supposed to be fine because she is a victim. It is probably another reason and why her going to apologize not only makes more sense but is way more of a big deal for her character. Like she is retracing her steps and the way she was with Igarashi and somehow that guilt lessens a bit because this time she can apologize for causing hurt. She never thinks of herself as the victim, she is flawed but also kinda strong for giving her as good as she got in the end
確かにコユンはすごいよね。アニメ勢は彼女を過保護に守って、全部の非をミナトに押し付けてた感じがあった。彼が間違ってなかったとは言わないけど、マンガ読者としては「被害者だから」って理由で彼女の曖昧な態度や八つ当たりを許すのは不公平に感じたんだよな。 - 彼女が謝罪に行くのは単に筋が通ってるだけでなく、キャラとして大きな成長 - 五十嵐との関係を振り返り、今回はちゃんと謝って傷つけたことへの罪悪感が和らぐ - 自分を被害者だとは思ってなくて、欠点はあるけど最後はやり返せる強さもある普通くん
cyberdsaiyan
Honestly, doesn’t even seemed like he did much wrong His constant putdowns seem to be the entire reason Koyun has trouble opening up to other people about her interests or talking about herself in general. So he's not 100% innocent either.
せやな、あいつが悪いとは言い切れんわ でもあのディスり癖がコユンのオタ活とか自己開示できん原因やろ ワイはあいつも無罪とは思えへんわwww2ちゃん
ClemFire
Yeah even if you could argue that wasn't intentional that still deeply affected Koyun so it was great to see Minato make her comfortable enough to share her love of that book. That moment Koyun really reminded me of Ibuki from Botan Kamiina this season.
確かに意図的じゃなかったって言えるけど、それでも小雲に深く影響してたよね。だから湊が彼女をリラックスさせて、その本の好きなところを共有できるようにしたのは良かったな。あの瞬間の小雲は、今期の『ボタンカミーナ』の伊吹を思い出させたよ。普通くん
oops_i_made_a_typi
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no one is innocent here, which is why its nice writing. and tbh I see his actions as more "dumb kid who doesn't know better", vs Koyun's deliberate (even though she regretted it soon after i think) words to hurt him during their breakup, or even the whole agreeing to date him in the first place to get back at Manatsu honestly, it's no surprise Koyun doesn't like who she used to be, because yeah she was quite problematic even if justified in Manatsu's case
この作品の魅力は、誰も完全に無実ではないという点だな。彼の行動は「分別のないガキ」という感じだが、コユンの方は別れ際に彼を傷つける意図的な言葉(後悔してたとは思うが)や、そもそも真夏への当てつけで彼と付き合うことに同意した点を考えると、コユンが過去の自分を嫌うのも納得だ。真夏の件は正当化できても、かなり問題のある行動だったという考察ができる。考察くん
a_Bear_from_Bearcave
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Koyun's decision was half to protect herself, half to honestly try to love him, especially after Miki's speech about how Igarashi is at least constant in his "love". Guy was pestering her for a year, got the least enthusiastic "yes" I've ever heard, and kept putting her down just like he did when he was "flirting" with her. He deserved all he's got, and frankly Koyun is beating herself up way too much over shitty people in her life.
小夜子の決断は、自分のためでもあり、彼をちゃんと愛そうとした結果でもあると思う。特に三木が「五十嵐の愛は少なくとも一貫してる」って言った後はね。あの男は一年もしつこく迫って、今まで聞いた中で一番やる気のない「はい」をもらったのに、昔と同じように彼女を貶してたんだ。自業自得だよ。正直、小夜子は自分を責めすぎだと思う。周りのクズどもに振り回されすぎだよ。普通くん
oops_i_made_a_typi
there was nothing about protecting herself there lol, it was petty revenge. it's funny that the character herself is aware that having justification doesn't mean that it's not shitty to use people to hurt others on purpose, but you've completely missed that message.
このシーン、自己防衛なんて要素は微塵もなかったな。完全に私怨による復讐だろ。キャラ自身が「正当な理由があっても、他人を道具にして傷つけるのはクズ行為だ」って自覚してるのが面白いのに、お前はそのメッセージを完全に見落としてる。考察くん
a_Bear_from_Bearcave
原文
She was partially protecting herself from her bully by dating the guy he likes. And you're excusing the shit out of Igarashi here too, painting him as only "kid that doesn't know better", when we know he was shitty boyfriend (as expected by his method of flirting) against Koyun who was pressured to date him anyway, by him and others around her, and gave up in a moment of temptation when she thought that she can both get her bully and honestly tried to like Igarashi.
いやいや、彼女は自分をいじめてるやつの好きな奴と付き合うことで防御してただけやん。しかもお前、五十嵐のことめっちゃ甘く見て「ただのわかってないガキ」扱いしてるけど、実際は小雲に対してクソ彼氏だったやん(ナンパのやり方から察するに)。小雲は周りや五十嵐本人にプレッシャーかけられて無理やり付き合わされて、相手もいじめっ子から逃れたいって思って誘惑に負けただけやろ。2ちゃん
a_Bear_from_Bearcave
Dude did you watch the series, he was constantly shitting on her both before and after dating. Even if he wasn't malicious, it still doesn't make him "not wrong" somehow.
まじで?ちゃんとシリーズ見た?彼、付き合う前も後もずっと彼女のことディスりまくってたじゃん!悪意がなかったとしても、それが「間違ってない」ってことにはならなくない?やばくね!?ギャル
zool714
Don’t know where in my comment did I say he was not wrong tbh. Just saying he wasn’t as antagonistic as I thought he was at the start and he, like many in this show, are more nuanced than just “bad person good person”
いやワイのコメントのどこで「あいつが間違ってない」って言ったんやw 最初思ってたより敵対的じゃなかったって話やで。 この作品のキャラみんな「善人か悪人か」だけじゃない複雑さあるやん。2ちゃん
SEBASTlANVETTEL
oh that new black haired girl smells like trouble for our Koyun and Minato ship 😭 That being said, Minato and Koyun were super cute this episode. I really liked that when Koyun was trying to escape when she felt unwelcomed by the other two girls, Minato made her stay because he noticed it.
あの黒髪の新キャラ、小雲と湊の関係に波乱を起こしそうで怖いよ😭 でも今週の湊と小雲はめっちゃ可愛かったな。小雲が他の2人の女の子に気を使って逃げようとした時、湊が気づいて引き止めたの、すごく良かったと思う。普通くん
Frontier246
The dynamic between Minato and Koyun now compared to the earlier episodes is night and day. She's much more natural and happy to be around him compared to before, and actually appreciates his sociable personality.
湊と小絢の関係性、初期エピソードと比べると隔世の差があるな。彼女の湊への態度が明らかに自然体で、以前より一緒にいるのを楽しんでいるし、彼の社交的な性格を実際に評価しているという考察ができる。考察くん
Roskal
The fact she doesn't freak out by him grabbing her backpack strap shows how close they are too. I was a little worried for a second that that would erode some trust she had in him but it was fine.
彼が彼女のリュックのストラップをつかんでも彼女が慌てないってのが、二人の距離の近さを物語ってるよね。一瞬、信頼関係にひびが入るんじゃないかと心配したけど、大丈夫だったみたいで良かった。普通くん
Zeallfnonex
原文
It helps a lot that her mentality wasn't "I want to escape this situation" and more like "I don't think I'm wanted here, Imma dip..." I get the second one a lot , I have bowed out of situations and conversations where it just feels like I'm not really wanted or relevant and... float away. If someone grabbed me and essentially told me that, yeah, I am wanted there in that conversation, it'd definitely be gratitude and thankfulness and not a freak out. Minato correctly understanding that she'd just float away otherwise is pretty neat though, they're finally getting to the point where they understand each others' natures and how to interpret the other.
彼女の心理が「この状況から逃げ出したい」ではなく「自分はここで必要とされてないな…退散しよう」だったのが、すごく共感できる。私もよくそういう場面で、自分が求められてないと感じるとフェードアウトしちゃうんだよな。もし誰かが引き留めて「ここにいてほしい」と伝えてくれたら、パニックにならずに感謝すると思う。湊が彼女のそういう性質を正確に理解してるのが良いよね。お互いの本質を理解し合い、どう解釈すべきか掴み始めたって考察ができる。考察くん
TheBusStop12
原文
I think Momoka might be the push Minato needs. While he clearly has feelings for Koyun and he has taken notice of them, I don't think he has fully accepted yet that he likes Koyun. Now in the past when a girl were to ask him out he would accept, hence he has had so many previous relationships. But I believe that when Momoka will ask him out he'll realize that this time he doesn't want to accept. It'll force him to confront his feelings for Koyun properly and make him actually take action Momoka also doesn't seem the type to turn toxic after being rejected
ももかは湊に必要な刺激になるかもね。湊は明らかに小雲に気持ちはあるけど、まだそれを完全に自覚してないと思うんだ。今まで誰かに告白されたらOKしてきたから、たくさん付き合ってきたんだろうけど。ももかに告白された時、今回は違うって気づくんじゃないかな。それでちゃんと小雲への気持ちと向き合って、動き出すことになると思う。ももかも振られた後にこじれるタイプには見えないしね。普通くん