氷の城壁

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陽太は美姫への恋心に決着をつけるため告白する決意を小雪に伝える。案じる小雪のもとへ桃香がやってきて...。
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Weak_Season_Of_Anime
原文
Ouch, what a way to end off the season. The sheer anguish in Miki's voice, and Yota going back to his masking mode and suppressing himself. The Koyun x Minato ship are also doing the maintain status quo thing, but the Momoka wildcard is concerning. Random observation: I like how Koyun and Miki's outfits at the BBQ matched each other. Anyway, great season. See y'all at the Polar Opposites discussions!
痛ってェな、シーズン終わらせ方ガチでエグいわ。ミキの声の苦しみがやばすぎるし、陽太がまた仮面モードに戻って自分抑え込んでるし。小雲×湊船も現状維持路線やけど、桃花のワイルドカードが気になりすぎるンゴ。どうでもいいけどBBQの小雲とミキの服装お揃いなの草。まあとにかく良シーズンやったわ。極北討論会で会おうぜ!2ちゃん
Frontier246
Thank goodness Koyun and Minato are so adorable together to at least give us some heartwarming romance in-between how heartbreaking Yota and Miki's relationship has become.
小糸と湊のカップルが可愛すぎて助かるわ…ヨウタとミキの関係が切なすぎるから、せめてこっちで心温まるロマンスが見れて救われる普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
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I have to say, while the Miki Yota ship did not sail yet, I am glad that they didn't leave us hanging with it. When the ending song started playing I was nearly expecting them to end the season on Yota's confession which would have been brutal. but the Momoka wildcard is concerning. Honestly, at this point, Momoka seems to be the strongest player to get the ship sailing. Even if unintentional. I like how Koyun and Miki's outfits at the BBQ matched each other. I noticed the matching outfits of Miki and Koyun in a previous episode as well and someone back then mentioned that this seems to be a pattern in general. When they are hanging out, they always have a similar outfit, which I really like.
三木×陽太の船はまだ出航してないけど、引きずらずにちゃんと展開してくれたのは良かったわ。ED流れ始めた時に「まさか陽太の告白で終わらせるんじゃ…」ってヒヤヒヤしたけどな、あれはエグい。でもモモカの存在が厄介やな。ガチで今の時点だとモモカが一番の強敵やろ、無自覚でも。小雲と三木のBBQコーデがお揃いなの草。前の話でも気付いてたんやけど、誰かが「この二人って常にお揃いコーデだよな」って言ってて、確かにそういうパターンあるわ。こういう細かい演出好きやわ。2ちゃん
ptd163
Honestly, at this point, Momoka seems to be the strongest player to get the ship sailing. Even if unintentional. It seems like they're setting up Momoka to have a classic "well if it isn't the consequences of my actions" moment. She already spotted them that feelings are mutual.
確かに現時点では、ももかが最も船を動かす力を持っているプレイヤーだと言える。意図的でなくともね。制作陣はももかに「これが自分の行動の結果か」という古典的な展開を用意しているように見える。彼女は既に感情が相互的であることを察知しているんだ。考察くん
Raymond49090
原文
Momoka's plan feels weird to me, because it could very easily get Koyun and Minato together. Or maybe that's the point - either they crash and burn so Momoka can swoop in, or they get together quickly and she knows it's a lost cause. If she tried to step in while there were still unresolved feelings, that's always going to be a specter between her and Minato even if she convinces him to go out with her.
ももかちゃんの計画、なんか変だなって思うんだよね。だって、簡単に小弓と湊がくっつく可能性もあるし。まあそれが狙いなのかもね。お互いが失敗してももかが救いに入るか、早くくっついて無理だと悟るか。未解決の感情が残ってるうちに割り込もうとしたら、たとえ湊と付き合えたとしても、それがずっと影を落とすだろうしね。普通くん
Zeallfnonex
原文
I think that it might be that liking/loving someone means that you want to see them happy/joyful... even if that happiness or joy is at your expense. She might like Minato enough that she'd prefer that he has the chance for his maximum happiness, even if it means that she doesn't. Admirable if that's the case, not sure what the plan was otherwise. Akine also seemed in on it if she's trying to push Minato and Koyun together ATM, what with the footlocker scene.
なるほど…誰かを愛するとは、その者の幸福を己の犠牲の上にでも願うことなのか。彼女は湊を想うあまり、己の幸福を捨ててでも彼の最大の歓びを選んだのだ。その覚悟、まさに崇高なる誓いよ。しかし、その先の計画は闇に包まれているがな。秋音もまた、湊と小雲を結びつけんと暗躍しているようだ——あのロッカーの場面から察するに、彼女もまた運命の歯車の一部なのだろう。中二病
sunnydayz57
I actually wonder if Momoka may have been under the impression this whole time that Koyun didn't have feelings for Minato and only saw him as a friend and that revealing that he liked her would cause her to distance herself from him and reject him as a result. So when she saw them being cozy at the fireworks she was upset because she saw how her plan was backfiring.
ももかはこの間ずっと、小雲が湊に恋愛感情を持ってなくてただの友達だと思ってたんじゃないかな。だから、小雲が好きってバレたら距離を置かれると思って告白を避けてたんだろうね。花火大会で二人が仲良さそうにしてるのを見て、自分の計画が裏目に出たことに気づいて落ち込んだんだと思う。普通くん
Zeallfnonex
原文
I dunno, I didn't get the sense she was upset, rather... resigned, maybe wistful. Which is why I think this was, more or less, her own plan to force the issue. If there's anything to learn from this series, it's not to take a person's initial actions and premises and outright judge them for it without understanding the character first. As long as I can come up with a plausible explanation that doesn't make Momoka an evil, conniving manipulator, I'll take it.
ふむ…我が観察によれば、彼女の感情は怒りではなく、むしろ諦念…いや、一抹の寂寥を帯びた運命の受容だったのだ。故にこれは、彼女自身が仕組んだ因果の歯車——問題を強制的に動かすための計画だったと考えるのが道理。この物語が我らに刻む教訓は、人の最初の行動や前提だけで、その魂の深淵を断罪する愚かさを戒めている。モモカが邪悪な策略家でない限り、我は彼女を擁護する解釈を選び取るのだ。中二病
Delicious-Fee-991
She looked almost dreadful when she saw minato and koyun by the fireworks, she defo looked a bit upset, that is undeniable. I do now see that me responding to your comment at all, however, is a bit pointless since you'll say whatever to stay in denial.
彼女が花火のシーンでミナトとコユンを見た時の表情、ちょっとやばかったよね。明らかに動揺してたと思うし、それは否定できない。でも、君に返信するのは正直無駄かもしれないな。どうせ否定し続けるんだろうし。普通くん
Zeallfnonex
原文
What are you talking about, that expression on Momoka's face is entirely ambiguous. Eyebrows are neutral, not in any clearly angry, upset, or hostile expression... She doesn't look happy , but she doesn't look unhappy either. I literally just watched that section again, she just looks... thoughtful or wistful. I'll be honest, if you think that expression is "dreadful" I really have no idea how to respond. It's a very normal, neutral expression.
ももかのあの表情、完全に曖昧だと思うんだよね。眉はニュートラルで、怒りや不満、敵意といった明確な感情は見られない。嬉しそうでもなければ、不機嫌そうでもない。実際にそのシーンをもう一度見直してみたけど、彼女は単に考え込んでいるか、物思いにふけっているように見える。正直、あれを「恐ろしい表情」と評価するなら、どう返せばいいかわからないよ。ごく普通の中立的な表情だというのが俺の考察だ。考察くん
Delicious-Fee-991
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vs I feel like the white dot disappearing from her iris makes her look almost soulless for but a split second. I wasn't really paying attention to her eyebrows whatsoever. I feel like the shadows are both natural yet are intentional in the way that it's supposed to help her look more *dreadful*. If that isn't the case, then I know it's definitely the shadows playing a big part in why it appears so to me.
白い点が一瞬消えるから、彼女がほとんど魂の抜けた感じに見えるんだよね。俺は彼女の眉毛は全然気にしてなかったな。影の付け方が自然でありながら、意図的に彼女をより*恐ろしく*見せようとしてる気がする。もしそうじゃないとしても、少なくとも影がそう感じさせる大きな要因になってるのは間違いないと思う。普通くん
Zeallfnonex
Interesting, I didn’t even notice or think about the shadows; they looked like I would imagine when someone’s illuminated by campfires at night. Well, I suppose we’ll find out who’s right come Fall!
おもしろーい!影のことなんて全然気づかなかったわ~。キャンプファイヤーの明かりに照らされた感じで普通に見えたしね笑 でも秋になったらどっちが正しいか分かるってわけか!楽しみじゃん!ギャル
kyoumei
This is also how I saw it. Felt like she was trying to get Koyun to say eww to confirm it and force Minato to move on, but it clearly backfired and seemed to have an opposite effect.
同意w 彼女が小鳩に「うわっ」って言わせてミナトに諦めさせようとした感じだよなw でも完全に逆効果だったわwwwwwwおじ
BaytaCosmico
I like how Koyun and Miki's outfits at the BBQ matched each other Others have mentioned this before but today's episode was the first time I really noticed it. Those matching earrings were hard to miss.
確かに、コユンとミキのバーベキューでの服装がお揃いだったのは興味深い点だね。先行して指摘した人がいたけど、今日のエピソードで初めて明確に気づかされたよ。あのイヤリングがお揃いなのは、制作陣が意図的にキャラクター間の関係性を視覚的に示そうとした伏線の一種と考察できる。考察くん
mimolette6428
Your right
同意普通くん
FastenedCarrot
I've still not caught up with season 1 of Polar Opposites yet
まだ「氷の城壁」のシーズン1追いついてないわwwwwおじ
Unearthly_
I could feel Miki's cries in my soul, Izumi Fuuka did a great job voicing that scene.
ミキの泣き声が魂に響きすぎた…!和泉風花さんの演技が神すぎて泣いた。あのシーン無理、マジで優勝。感情くん
ThrowCarp
Absolutely powerful and raw ending confession. Shit was brutal.
マジでやばいラストの告白…エグすぎるんだけど!?泣けるわこれ…ギャル
HolyDragSwd2500
Season 2 in October 🙌 Polar Opposite S2 in Summer then back to Ramparts of Ice S2 in Fall
10月にS2キター!夏はPolar OppositeのS2で秋に氷の城壁S2戻ってくるンゴwww 草2ちゃん
CooroSnowFox
One Author... 4 seasons of 2 anime...
1人の作者で…2つのアニメで4シーズン…すごいね普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
A year of anime from more than one source by one author is not very common.
確かに!一人の作者が複数の媒体で1年アニメ化されるって、めっちゃレアだよな…すごすぎるッ!感情くん
ScreamingAmerican
Closest that I can think of that could currently do it is Fujino Oomori with danmachi and wistoria, or maybe Aka Akasaka if he’d stop getting bored of his stories half way through
現時点で最も近いのは、大森藤ノ氏であろう。『ダンまち』と『ウィストリア』を見ればその実力は明らかでござる。あるいは赤坂アカ氏も候補に挙がるが、あの御仁、物語の途中で飽きてしまうのが玉に瑕であるな。武士
CooroSnowFox
Hidden by the mammoth effort that Reincarnated as a Slime is currently attempting, and series like WHA and Apothecary Diaries... we have this one just happening
「転生したらスライムだった件」の大規模な展開や、WHAや『薬屋のひとりごと』みたいな作品に隠れてるけど、この作品もひっそりとやってるんだよね。普通くん
Monarki
What's special about WHA run?
WHAランが何がすごいって? ガチでヤバいンゴwww2ちゃん
CooroSnowFox
Just the big series of the moment over Polar/Ramparts
今話題の大シリーズって感じだね、氷の城壁は普通くん
Beowolf_0
Yamamoto's Forehead Universe.
山本の額、宇宙すぎるッ!感情くん
xp0ss1tion
I feel like I remember 3 of them airing in one year
3つが同じ年に放送されたような気がするな普通くん
Farmaceut7
2026 is literally thier year!
2026はガチで彼らの年やろ!草2ちゃん
FarCritical
Back to back to back to back quality stuff from a single creator for a year is such a treat
1人のクリエイターが1年間も連続でクオリティ高い作品を届けてくれるのは本当にありがたいね普通くん
derekschroer
we had something similar with the Takagi-san Author, but it was 3 Manga, each in a difference Anime Season in 2022, plus the Takagi-san Movie in 2022
それ高木さん作者でもあったじゃん!2022年にアニメ3期それぞれ別漫画でやって、しかも映画も公開されたんだよね、やばくね!?ギャル
cyberdsaiyan
Both her works will get FULLY adapted too. 2 out of 2 full anime adaptation, I don't think any other author has had that many hits anime-wise. Generation run by the author.
某、彼女の作品が二つとも完全にアニメ化されるとは聞き及んだ。二作中二作がフル適応とは、他の作者でこれほどの当たりを連発した者はおらぬであろう。まさに作者の時代を駆け抜けるが如し、見事でござるな。武士
aenews
2 complete adaptations in one year is pretty insane
1年に2つの完全アニメ化って、かなりヤバいね普通くん
Frontier246
2026 was the year of Kocha Agasawa.
2026年はコーチャ・アガサワの年やったな。ガチで草2ちゃん
ILikeFPS
Oh shit, Polar Opposite is starting that soon? Let's fucking go! We are eating so good lmao
えっ、ポーラーオポジットってもうすぐ始まるの?やったじゃん!最高すぎるわ笑普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Let’s go!!!
よし、行くか。ドライおじ
Tapwater_enthusiast
PEOPLE'S DREAMS NEVER END!
人の夢は終わらないんだ!普通くん
Brave-Camp-933
How so quick? Are they having separate animation teams working simultaneously?
やばくね!?なんでそんな早いの!? てか別々のアニメーションチームが同時進行で動いてるってことじゃないの!?ギャル
xp0ss1tion
Its actually 2 different studios
え、実は2つの違うスタジオなんだね普通くん
JasonFreeYT
I semi-recently read and followed Polar Opposites as it was releasing and thought it was amazing and wanted people to know more of Agasawa-sensei's works. I was hella delighted to see that they're basically sweeping a full year of anime seasons between two of their works
最近「極端な対照」を連載中から読んでたンゴ。マジで神やと思ってて、みんなに阿賀沢先生の作品知ってほしかったんや。まさか2作品でアニメ1年分まるごと席巻するとは思わんくて草生えたわwww2ちゃん
Tarta35
wait really? was it confirmed? i literally finished polar opposite yesterday my god 😆
え、まじ!?確定なの!?私昨日氷の城壁見終わったばっかなんだけど笑 やばくね!?ギャル
HolyDragSwd2500
It was confirmed after Polar Opposites S1 ended. There is a trailer of S2
氷の城壁のシーズン1終了後に確定したよ。シーズン2の予告編もある。ドライおじ
Cally83
I’m really glad we can look forward to season 2, scheduled for October 1st, it’s been such a great season.
草、まじでシーズン2が10月1日から楽しみすぎるわwww 今期ガチで良かったンゴね〜2ちゃん
BlazeBloom
Glad we got confirmation of a season 2 later this year. Ending season 1 here with all the tension and questions in the air with no confirmed season 2 would have been agonizing.
やばっ!シーズン2が今年後半に確定してマジでよかったじゃん!もしシーズン1がこのまま未確定で終わってたら、あの緊張感と謎のままで悶絶してたわ〜笑ギャル
mgameing123
Surely it helps that it’s a Netflix anime.
Netflixのアニメだから助かってる部分はあるよね。普通くん
Frontier246
I need this peak teen drama and MinatoxKoyun back in my life.
まじでこの最高の青春ドラマとミナト×コユンがまた見たいんだけど!やばくね!?ギャル
Primo29
At this point, I'm looking at Winter 2027 Animes with the same art style as them LOL
この調子だと、同じ絵柄の2027年冬アニメを探してるわ笑普通くん
PeaceAlien
Glad it's back so soon, you can't leave me like this
草、すぐ戻ってきてくれて助かったンゴwww こんなとこで終わらせんなやマジで2ちゃん
Schmebulock3078
Like this October or next year?
えっ10月じゃなくて来年ってこと!?やばくね!?ギャル
HowToGetName
This October.
10月か普通くん
DBLACK382
So the author's work will, in fact, be running non stop for a full year as several people predicted, huh?
つまり作者の作品が、何人かが予想してた通り、実際に丸一年ぶっ通しで連載されるってことかよッ!すげえな!感情くん
Shar4f
When Miki said: "Would he treat me like this if I wasn't a girl", that was such an important line. The show depicts unrequited love between friends so goddamn well. Her entire thought process before saying no. It's just perfect.
ミキが「私が女じゃなかったら、こんな風に接してくれるのかな」って言ったシーン、めっちゃ重要なセリフだったよね。友達同士の片思いの描き方が本当にうますぎる。彼女が「ノー」って言う前の思考プロセス全部含めて完璧だと思う。普通くん
RPGcraft
And it's not like she is strictly friendzoning Yota either. She is simply not sure. This plotline does not feel closed, there is still more to come...
確かに!彼女がヨータを完全に友達枠にしてるってわけじゃないんだよね。てかまだ自分の気持ちわかってない感じじゃん?この展開、まだ終わってないし続きがありそう〜!ギャル
LoopyChew
I'm also happy that she ultimately decided not to get into the relationship _now_ in the hopes that she feels the same way _later_ because that'd be cruel to both of them, and she's seen the fallout from Koyun/Igarashi (although arguably Koyun never made any attempts towards that ship).
彼女が「今」の関係に飛び込まず、「後で」同じ気持ちになることを願う形にしたのは良かった。双方にとって残酷になるのを避けた判断で、彼女は小鳩と五十嵐の結末(小鳩はその関係に積極的ではなかったが)を見ていたからだという考察ができる。考察くん
TopHatPaladin
Huge agree. When Miki started going down that line of thinking, I was staring at my screen going no no no no no until she course-corrected lmao
確かに。ミキがそういう考え方し始めた時、思わず画面見ながら「やめてやめてやめて」ってなったわ。でもちゃんと軌道修正してくれて安心したわwww普通くん
Shar4f
原文
I'd say it's very clear that she is CURRENTLY not in love. But her saying that she could fall in love in the future because she is not sure right now would honestly be the worst thing you could say to a guy that is currently in the friendzone. Because he is deep in the friendzone at the moment. I think Yota handled it wonderfully and I think that Miki's decision not to push herself to see him as more than friends right now and give him false hope was a very mature decision. She didn't try to soften the blow in the short-term by leaving him with hope and saying she wasn't sure about her feelings.
現時点で彼女が恋愛感情を抱いていないのは明らかだ。しかし「今は確信がないから、将来的に恋に落ちる可能性がある」と言うのは、フレンドゾーンにいる男性に対して最も残酷な返答になる。なぜなら彼は今まさにどっぷりフレンドゾーンに浸かっているからだ。陽太の対応は見事だったし、美紀が無理に彼を恋愛対象として見ようとせず、誤った希望を与えなかった判断は非常に成熟している。短期的な衝撃を和らげるために「気持ちが確かじゃない」と希望を残すような逃げ道を作らなかった点が評価できる。考察くん
Kronman590
I loved how her thought process mirrored the line of thinking that she regretted putting into Koyun's head all those years ago "Maybe it's good enough that someone loves me for me" But in the end she knows thats a recipe for disaster and doesnt succumb to it So fkn good man
彼女の思考プロセスが、昔コユンに植え付けた「誰かにありのままの自分を愛してもらえればそれでいいのかも」っていう考え方とリンクしてたのが良かったな。でも結局それが破滅への道ってわかってて、それに負けなかったのが本当にすごい。めっちゃ良かったわ。普通くん
kesoy
oh sht i couldn't agree more. got me worried for a sec i thought she was about to date with yota there. i'm cheering for them but agreeing to date yota (tho yota isnt actaully asking for that) at that moment didn't felt right
ああガチでこれ。一瞬ヨタと付き合う流れかと思ってヒヤヒヤしたわwww 応援してるけどあのタイミングで承諾するのは違うやろって思ったンゴ2ちゃん
Artorp
Wanting someone to love you for who you are vs seeing a longtime friend as a romantic option is a huge leap though, even if it logically makes sense. You can't reason yourself towards a crush.
確かにそれはでかい壁だよな……「ありのままの自分を愛してほしい」って気持ちと、長年の友人を恋愛対象として見るのって全然違うし。頭では理解できても、理性でときめきを生み出せるもんじゃないしな……無理すぎるッ!感情くん
Mons9090
原文
I mean he would. He doesnt like koyun but still treats her like a good friend. He hasnt really interacted with any girl other than koyun , miki on a consistent basis throughout the series anyway Though i agree with what the person below said because expecting yourself to feel the same way later on just because someone feels that way for you. Koyun decided to go out with igarashi for the same way though they werent really friends outside of that
確かに彼ならそうするよね。コユンのことは好きじゃないけど、良い友達としては接してるし。シリーズ通してコユンとミキ以外の女の子と一貫して関わってないしな。下の人の意見にも同意するけど、相手がそう思ってるからって自分も後で同じ気持ちになるとは限らないし。コユンも五十嵐と付き合う決断した時は同じような感じだったし、それ以外ではあまり友達じゃなかったしね。普通くん
VoidRay728
原文
Yota and Miki took so long, the ED didn't bother waiting anymore and just started. Well, the more arrogant the antagonist is, the harder they fall. Looking forward to season 2 now because I geniunely want to see how Momoka will crash out. I like that they contrast the photos Minato had with Koyun and Momoka separately (with Koyun = wholesome; with Momoka = traumatised). WIth S2 announced, Agasawa's pulled off a hat trick this year with You and I Are Polar Opposites and this series going back to back to back to back now.
陽太とミキのやり取りが長すぎて、EDが待ちきれずに流れ始めたのは笑ったな。まあ、敵役が傲慢であればあるほど、その後の転落は劇的になるという構造はよくできている。シーズン2が今から楽しみだ。モモカがどのように暴走するのか、純粋に見てみたい。湊が小弓とモモカとそれぞれ撮った写真の対比(小弓=ほっこり、モモカ=トラウマ)は、制作陣の意図が読み取れる演出だと思う。シーズン2の発表で、アガサワは今年『正反対な君と僕』とこのシリーズでハットトリックを達成したことになるな。考察くん
CooroSnowFox
The ED has been one of the best things about this series... the way it cuts in at the last scene, and it isn't annoying in the slightest and the way it just builds up from quiet to when the bass adds to it... I wish we'd get the full version of the song with that lead in
EDはこのシリーズの中で最高の要素の一つだと思う…最後のシーンで入るタイミングが絶妙で、全然邪魔にならないし、静かからベースが加わるところへの盛り上がり方が最高だな…あのイントロ付きのフルバージョンが欲しいよ普通くん
Frontier246
Honestly the rain + the ED playing over it really helped sell the MikixYota sequence.
まじで雨とEDの重なりがミキ×ヨタのシーンをめっちゃ引き立ててたじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
sombraala
原文
I wish we'd get the full version of the song with that lead in Preach. C'mon, powers that be, give the people what they want. You can't create such absolute perfection and then refuse to release it for us to revel in. Like, we need this for educational purposes. There should be a lesson in the Anime Production 401 course titled "How to enhance the anime viewing experience via transitions to the ED - a case study of Ramparts of Ice".
あの「Preach」のイントロ部分を含めたフルバージョンが欲しいと切に願う。制作サイドにはぜひ、我々にそれを与えてほしい。あれだけの完璧な作品を作っておきながら、それを享受するために公開しないのは許されない。これは教育的な意味でも必要だ。『アニメ制作401』の講義に「氷の城壁におけるEDへの移行が視聴体験をどう高めるか」というケーススタディを追加すべきだという考察ができる。考察くん
LoopyChew
I mean yes, but the absolute queen of this trope is its predecessor, Mephisto by Queen Bee (Oshi no Ko S1).
確かにそうだけど、このジャンルの絶対的な女王はその前身、Queen Beeのメフィスト(推しの子S1)だと思う。普通くん
sombraala
原文
Oh, for sure, Oshi No Ko is included in that; I actually usually talk about how OnK is one of the only other shows that does it this good (they both do it exceptionally well). I actually liked OnK S2's transition even better that S1's, but all 3 seasons did it well. It's surprising to me that this is such the exception that it is. I get that it's not easy to do well, but it does so much heavy lifting that I would expect more shows to attempt it. For one, it helps inform the viewer what's going on. Sure, most have a pretty good feel for the fact the episode is about to end, but I still think that being directly informed that we're about to end is beneficial. But more importantly it really adds to the tension and ambiance. So sure, it wouldn't work with shows that aren't so tension filled like RoI or OnK, but I still think it's underutilized.
【推しの子】もその例外やな。普段から「ここまで上手い演出できるのは推しの子くらい」って話してるわ。どっちも神演出やけど、俺はS2の繋ぎ方がS1より好きやった。3シーズン通して安定してるけどな。こんなに例外が少ないのが逆に驚きやわ。難しいのは分かるけど、視聴者に状況伝えるのにめっちゃ役立つし、緊張感も増すからもっと使われてもええと思うンゴ。まあ氷の城壁や推しの子みたいな緊張感ある作品じゃないと合わんかもしれんけど、もったいないわ。2ちゃん
LoopyChew
It requires the right song. I’m actually surprised you consider S2’s to be superior because it’s the one song of the four (this and the three OnK EDs) that doesn’t have an obvious “drop.” I remember Kodomo no Omocha playing around with the ED as well, to the point of parody (fake outs like Sana singing it before the real ending). I wonder how far back it goes.
確かに曲次第だよね。S2のEDが一番って意見にはちょっと驚いたな。4曲(これとOnKのED3つ)の中で、明確な"ドロップ"がないのはそれだけだし。こどものおもちゃもEDで遊んでたの思い出したよ、サナが本編前に歌うフェイクアウトとか。こういう演出、いつから始まったんだろうね。普通くん
sombraala
原文
The overdrive guitar and drums kicking in was so badass and it fit the feel of the show so well. I don't know if it is a popular opinion because I imagine that it got in the way for some people, I just remember nodding my head along with it. Never watched Kodono no Omocha, though I'm aware of it. It aired just before I started getting into anime. Someone who has watched everything needs to do a top 10 ED transition video on YT or something. Gigguk maybe? Honorable mention for the shows that do something else with it, like Journal with Witch having the ED sung by a character diagetically.
オーバードライブのかかったギターとドラムが入ってくるタイミング、めちゃくちゃカッコよかったし、作品の雰囲気にも完璧にマッチしてたな。人によっては邪魔に感じたかもしれないから、これが一般的な意見かはわからないけど、俺は思わずノリノリで首を振ってたよ。『こどものおもちゃ』は観たことないんだけど、存在は知ってる。俺がアニメにハマるちょっと前に放送されてたみたいだ。全作品観てる人がYouTubeでED移行シーンのトップ10動画とか作ってほしいな。Giggukあたりがやってくれないか?あと、『魔女の旅々』みたいにEDをキャラクターが劇中で歌う形にする演出も、特別に言及しておきたいところだ。考察くん
08Dreaj08
So real
それな普通くん
Zeallfnonex
I've been adamant that it's very annoying because that means the episode's almost over and I have to wait another week/now season to see the continuation! There've been many rueful smiles over the ED starting to play...
ED流れ始めると「ああ終わっちゃう……」ってなって悲しくなるンゴwww 毎週「続き見たいのに!」ってイライラしてるわ。 来週/次シーズンまで待つのか……って思うと溜め息しか出ん。2ちゃん
EvisceraThor
I've been listening to the ED in my playlist everyday, it's a banger
毎日プレイリストでED聴いてるわ、めっちゃいい曲だね普通くん
sneakyhalfling
Is Momoka arrogant? I got the sense she was telling both Koyun and Minato to shit or get off the pot. Either remove Minato from the dating pool, or free him up completely.
「ももかって傲慢じゃない? 小雲と湊の両方に『さっさと決めろ』って言ってる感じがしたんだよね。湊を恋愛対象から外すか、完全に自由にするか、どっちかにしろって。」感情くん
Frontier246
原文
Yota and Miki took so long, the ED didn't bother waiting anymore and just started. The OP/ED just wanted to let Yota cook with his unrequited feelings. Well, the more arrogant the antagonist is, the harder they fall. Looking forward to season 2 now because I geniunely want to see how Momoka will crash out. I like that they contrast the photos Minato had with Koyun and Momoka separately (with Koyun = wholesome; with Momoka = traumatised). It's funny how every time she tries to screw over Koyun she ends up helping Koyun by helping her realize her feelings and then that said feelings are actually requited.
陽太と美季が長引いたせいでEDが待ちきれずに流れ始めたな。OP/EDは陽太の片思いをじっくり見せたかったんだろうね。敵キャラは傲慢なほど転落が激しいから、シーズン2が楽しみだ。モモカがどう暴走するのか純粋に気になる。湊がコユンとモモカそれぞれと撮った写真の対比(コユン=ほっこり、モモカ=トラウマ)も良かった。モモカがコユンを陥れようとするたび、逆にコユンが自分の気持ちに気づいてそれが両想いだと分かる展開、笑えるな。普通くん
Primo29
Can't wait for Momoka to be Momogone once Koyun and Minato get their acts straight.
やばっ!小雲と湊がマジになったら桃花がモモゴンになるの楽しみすぎじゃん!?ギャル
LoriemMusic
Momoka flying too close to the sun there
モモカ、調子乗りすぎたな普通くん
fat_microshiller
Her plan is kinda dumb Ngl, so she can only blame herself when she starts seething.
あの子の計画、まじでバカじゃね?笑 だから自分でイライラし始めたら自業自得って感じだよね〜ギャル
Apprehensive-Pear686
This cast's wardrobe game is really good lol Tsukiko flagging the threats! Yes girl that Momoka is scary T_T Is Atagawa secretly an ally??? Also love how Miki does not force herself to accept Yota's feelings. If she ever does fall for him, it needs to be in her own terms. I'm still so sad for Yota though.
このキャストの衣装センス、めっちゃいいよね笑 ツキコが脅威を指摘してるの良いね!そうそう、あのモモカ怖いよT_T アタガワは実は味方なのかな?? あとミキがヨータの気持ちを無理に受け入れないところが好き。もし彼女がヨータを好きになるなら、自分の意思でそうなってほしい。でもヨータのことはやっぱり切ないな。普通くん
Frontier246
This cast's wardrobe game is really good lol Koyun's earrings + boots were to die for. Is Atagawa secretly an ally??? She did seem to want to leave Koyun and Minato to themselves...I don't think she really wants to mess with anybodies' relationships even if she feels like she has to support Momoka as her friend. She's just kind of awkward about it.
このキャスト陣の衣装センス、本当に良いよな。コユンのイヤリング+ブーツの組み合わせ、やばかった。アタガワ、実は味方なんじゃないか?彼女、コユンとミナトを二人きりにしたがってたように見えたし……モモカの友人としてサポートしなきゃって思ってるけど、実は誰かの関係を壊したいわけじゃないんだろうな。ただ、その辺が不器用なだけだと思う。考察くん
stephenthatfoste
Miki and Koyun both had the same accessories at the party but different colors. I liked them doing that.
ミキとコユン、パーティーで同じアクセサリーつけてたけど色違いだったんだね。そういうの好きだわ。普通くん
eightcheesepizza
I thought Atagawa was slowly realizing that a nascent Koyun x Minato was a thing, and that she might accidentally have been on team doroboneko.
あたがわが徐々に「こゆん×みなと」の雰囲気に気づいてる感じ、やばくね!?しかも本人も気づかず泥棒猫チーム入りしてたっぽいし笑ギャル
Tanyan-nightchord
Didn't Atagawa say that Momoka has been spending less time with her, and it's implied that it's because of her pursuit of Minato? Feels like Atagawa just wants her friend back and in one piece instead of whatever she is trying to do.
確かに、阿田川は桃花が一緒に過ごす時間が減ったって言ってたよね。それって湊を追いかけてるからって暗に示されてる感じ。阿田川はただ友達を取り戻したいだけで、今の彼女が何をしようとしてるかより、無事でいてほしいんだと思う。普通くん
Primo29
What a chaotic yet fun way to end the season. Seeing Miki not being herself was painful, but it's probably for the best that she didn't reciprocate those feelings when she simply didn't feel the same way. See you in October 2026 for the 2nd season, right after the second season of You and I Are Polar Opposites!
草、最終回カオスすぎて笑ったわwww ミキが自分じゃないみたいなのは見てて辛かったンゴ…でも気持ちがなかったんやから返事しなくて正解やろな。 2026年10月の2期まで待つわ、『君と僕は正反対』の2期のすぐ後ってマ?ガチで楽しみやん!2ちゃん
Frontier246
Honestly Miki would've made the same mistake Koyun made with Igarashi if she went out with Yota like this. It sucks for Yota but Miki's feelings just can't change like that even if he's serious about her, but he probably never expected it to happen anyways. But now with all that drama taking a breather until October, we can get back to the fun and zany romcom part of the Polar Opposite-verse.
確かに三紀も、このまま与太と付き合ってたら小雲と同じ失敗してたかもな。与太には気の毒だけど、彼が本気でも三紀の気持ちはそう簡単に変わらないし、本人もそれは分かってたと思う。でもこれでドラマパートは一旦落ち着いて10月までお預けだから、また氷の城壁の楽しいラブコメパートに戻れるね。普通くん
the_mad_
The difference between Miki/Youta and Koyuki/Igarashi is huge, though. Koyuki and Igarashi were not compatible, and Koyuki intentions were not pure and honest.
確かにミキと陽太、小雪と五十嵐のカップルは全然違うじゃん!小雪と五十嵐って相性悪かったし、小雪の気持ちも純粋じゃなかったしね。やばくね?笑ギャル
Primo29
原文
Yota has liked Miki since middle school, so by now he's basically completed a lifetime study in the "Miki Studies" program. Bro knows that Miki isn't breaking down her walls anytime soon, especially when you've spent years speedrunning the "bestest friend" route and accidentally locked yourself into the hardest romance difficulty setting possible. Can't wait for Suzuki's facial reaction and of course, the side couples!
陽太は中学の頃から美紀に片思いしてて、今や「美紀学」の修士課程を修了したようなものだよな。何年も「親友ルート」を全力疾走した結果、うっかり恋愛難易度ハードモードにロックインしてしまったからな。美紀がそう簡単に壁を壊すわけないって、彼は骨の髄まで理解してる。鈴木のリアクションと、もちろんサイドカップルが待ち遠しい!考察くん
Ocixo
Yeah. If she’d started dating Yota while not being sure of her feelings, the potential damage to their relationship/friendship might’ve been much worse. Then again, things could have worked out too. It’s not a prerequisite to like someone from the start, you can also grow to love them over time.
確かに。もし彼女が自分の気持ちを確かめずにヨタと付き合い始めてたら、関係に与えるダメージはもっと大きかったかもね。でも、うまくいく可能性もあったと思う。最初から好きでいる必要はなくて、時間をかけて愛が育つこともあるからね。普通くん
WorldArcher1245
Like that anime You Were Experienced, I Was Not: Our Dating Story
あの「経験値ゼロの俺、実は最強」みたいなやつじゃん!めっちゃわかるー!ギャル
Steeldj22
It's best for Miki and yota to remain friends for a few years. They'll find their true selves very soon. Including their roots and past
ミキとヨタはこのまま数年は友達でいるのがベストだと思うんだ…! 近いうちに本当の自分を見つけるはず。ルーツや過去も含めてね。エモすぎるしんどいッ!感情くん
Frontier246
Honestly Miki's talk with her co-workers gives me the impression she'll really find herself once she's out of high school.
マジで三木の同僚との会話見てると、高校卒業したらガチで自分探しできそうやなって思うわ2ちゃん
Primo29
What's more a few years for Yota. The Guy has been the constant person to Miki next to Koyun.
数年の違いなんて大したことないよな。陽太は小絆の次にずっと美季のそばにいた存在だしね。普通くん
deynyel
I really dislike Momoka, but damn, do I respect her game. She knows what she wants and isn't afraid to do whatever it takes to get it. I guess someone like her is exactly what Koyun and Minato need to realize their feelings for each other.
モモカは正直好きじゃないけど、その手腕には脱帽するわ。彼女は自分の欲しいものを理解してて、手段を選ばずに掴みに行く。考えてみると、コユンとミナトが互いの気持ちに気づくには、彼女のような存在が必要だったんだろうな。考察くん
FabtheEmber
原文
I think she is cool in that at least by her she wants to make a 'fair' competition between Koyun n her. Her way of see don't complain to me later, I asked you for the go ahead. I pointed out Amamiya likes you. If u don't take any action I will do my best Momoka is like the opposite Koyun in that even with Minato being so obvious to everyone and her he likes her, she keeps pulling back because she lacks self confidence. Momoka is going for Minato despite knowing he likes someone else.
ワイ的にはモモカはカッコいいと思うわ。少なくともコユンとの勝負を「公平」にしようとしてるしな。「後で文句言うなよ、ワイは事前に確認したんだ。天宮がお前のこと好きだって教えたぞ。行動起こさないならワイが全力で行くからな」ってスタンスやろ。逆にコユンはミナトが自分に気があるのバレバレなのに自信なくて後退りしてる。モモカは相手に好きな人がいるの知ってて突っ込んでく。対照的すぎて草2ちゃん
Ok-Cod5254
原文
I think she is cool in that at least by her she wants to make a 'fair' competition between Koyun n her. Though she was already doing manipulation tactics with saying stuff to discourage Minato from Koyuki in a prior episode when she said Koyuki wouldn't consider friends romantically. So she wasn't playing fair before. So she should've just committed to her tactics and not give Koyuki an opening to have more consideration for Minato romantically when it could easily backfire on her.
彼女が小雪との間に「公平な」競争を望んでいる点はクールだと思う。でも前のエピソードで、湊に対して小雪は友達を恋愛対象として見ないと言って心理操作を仕掛けていた。つまり最初からフェアじゃなかったんだよな。だからこそ、その戦術に徹するべきで、湊への恋愛感情を考慮する隙を小雪に与えるべきじゃなかった。簡単に逆効果になり得るのに。考察くん
Kronman590
原文
Yeah I think that's probably the one inconsistency in the whole story (which is a pretty good feat), but it doesn't make sense for her to point out that Amamiya likes Koyun. The only reason to do that is if she's so damn confident in her chances that she wants to crush Koyun even harder, instead of beating her when she didn't even know she was in the race. But honestly based on all her previous actions it doesn't reeeeallly feel like shes trying to do that.
確かにそれだけが話の一貫性に欠ける部分だと思うけど(それでも結構すごいことだけどね)。彼女があえて天宮が小雲のこと好きだって指摘するのって、自分に絶対の自信があるからこそ、小雲をさらに叩き潰そうとしてるって解釈もできるよね。ライバルだと気づいてない相手に勝つのではなくて。でもこれまでの彼女の行動見てると、そこまで意図的にやってる感じはしないんだよな。普通くん
Ok-Cod5254
原文
While so far I don't mind Momoka in the plot basically to help Koyuki sort out her feelings for Minato, I do think it feels a bit heavy handed for Momoka to give Koyuki this specific piece of information that also doesn't work in her own favor. I think it was the perfect balance with Momoka being a catalyst to have Koyuki realize her feelings indirectly in a prior episode. She just brought up the topic of Minato, and Koyuki got to her own conclusion thinking about how Minato made her feel. Though now she directly tells Koyuki how Minato feels, so Koyuki's potential hesitation in pursing Minato could be a bit more of a frustrating process since Koyuki already knows he likely feels the same way - rather than if she is still completely unsure (validating her insecurity in pursing him more) and she could've had more of a journey of getting to that conclusion to see how he feels herself.
今んとこ桃香は小雪の湊に対する気持ち整理するための存在ってのは別に嫌いじゃないンゴ。でも桃香が自分の不利になる情報を小雪にわざわざ教えるのはちょっとベタすぎるやろ。前回の間接的な気付かせ方は絶妙やったのに。桃香が湊の話振って、小雪が自分で湊の気持ち考えて結論出す流れが良かったんや。今度は直接「湊がこう思ってる」って言うから、小雪の迷いが逆にイライラする展開になりそうやん。お互い両想い確定しちゃったら、気持ち確かめる旅路が減っちゃうしな。2ちゃん
FabtheEmber
原文
No it is more like she considers Minato as something to be gained and sees Koyuki as a rival. That is why manipulating Minato is fair game That is the difference I am seeing. Like I have never seen a 3rd wheel romantic rival just point blank ask the heroine if she should go for the guy. That makes it interesting especially because I don't think it is a ploy as she doesn't know Koyuki likes Minato. But again, you can still date a person you don't like if they like you. Minato, Koyuki n Miki all have done that at some point. And I do think Agasawa can make a character just purely a bitch. She might be bitchy but she acts in interesting ways. Which makes me think what IS she thinking.
いや、どちらかというと彼女は湊を"獲得すべき対象"として見ていて、小雪をライバル視してるんだと思う。だから湊を操るのは公平なゲームって感覚なんだろうな。それが俺には違いとして見える。三角関係の恋愛ライバルがヒロインに「あの男を狙うべきか」ってズバリ聞く場面なんて見たことないよ。それが面白いし、小雪が湊を好きだって知らないから策略ってわけでもないと思う。でも、好きじゃなくても相手に好かれてれば付き合えるってのは確か。湊も小雪もミキもそういうことあったしね。あと、阿賀沢さんは純粋に"嫌な女"としてキャラを作れる作家だと思う。嫌なやつだけど行動は面白い。だからこそ彼女が何を考えてるのか気になるんだよな。普通くん
Ok-Cod5254
Like I have never seen a 3rd wheel romantic rival just point blank ask the heroine if she should go for the guy. I've seen it before in true love rivalry scenarios. She's still too sneaky to feel like a true rival if she has to do something extra to basically lie about what Koyuki said.
草マジで?第三者の恋敵がヒロインに「その男行っちゃいなよ」ってストレートに聞く展開初めて見たわ。ガチの恋愛ライバルものでは見たことあるけどな。こいつはコユキの言葉を捏造して嘘つくような小賢しい真似するから、真のライバル感が薄いンゴwww2ちゃん
FabtheEmber
原文
I agree. That was the worst thing she did so far and is unforgivable. Which is unfortunate since I do enjoy her interactions with Koyuki where it is more about information gathering etc. Like where Momoka goes, yeh you do know he likes you, most girls have a way of figuring it out. And it makes Koyuki realize she has been subconsciously avoiding it. I like that the girls here aren't dense just because, both Koyuki n Miki have their own self confidence issues which makes them second-guess themselves. Overall, this episode Momoka wasn't too bad imo
同意。これまでで彼女がやった最悪の行為であり、許されない。ただ、小雪との情報収集的な掛け合い——例えば「百加はね、あんたが彼のこと好きって知ってるよ。大抵の女の子は気づくもんだ」というシーンで、小雪が無意識にその事実を避けていたと気づかされる場面——は好きだ。この作品の女子たちはただ鈍感なわけじゃなく、小雪も美紀も自己肯定感に問題を抱えて自己疑念に陥る点がリアルだ。総じて、今回の百加は個人的にはそこまで悪くなかったという考察ができる。考察くん
Frontier246
Honestly it's such B--- behavior to just go up to Koyun to lord over how she "beat" her by telling her that Minato actually likes her back...but it's so brazen that you have to kind of admire the hustle. She's really like that archetypal love rival who is more blatant and aggressive to make the other characters react and progress because of it.
確かにコユンに「湊は私のこと好きなんだよ」ってマウント取りに行くのはB級っぽい行動だけど、あそこまで図太いと逆に感心しちゃうよね。ああいう露骨で攻撃的な恋敵キャラって、他のキャラを動かして話を進めるために必要な存在だと思う。普通くん
ptd163
If Momoka wasn't a villain she'd probably be considered one of the greatest romance FMCs ever. She knows what she wants and immediately starts taking steps to get it. She's kinda like Miyu if Miyu was evil.
もしもももかが悪役じゃなかったら、間違いなく史上最高の恋愛アニメヒロインの一人に数えられてたと思う。彼女は自分の欲しいものを正確に理解していて、それを手に入れるために即座に行動に移すんだ。まるでミユの悪役バージョンみたいなキャラクター性だよ。考察くん
Joshawott27
Momoka’s such a fun character to hate. She brings some fire and a shakeup that was necessary for the series, but damn, she’s such a bitch. Love her in the show, would hate her in my life.
モモカはホント憎めるキャラだよね。シリーズに必要な刺激と火種をくれてるけど、マジでクソ女だわ。作品中では好きだけど、リアルにいたら嫌だな。普通くん