AutoLovepon
新学期
小雪は湊と話をして、2人のわだかまりは解けたが、湊は小雪のことが気になり始めてしまう。小雪は陽太と一緒に美姫のバイト先に遊びにいく。美姫は、小雪と陽太の仲が良い感じなのではと思い始める。
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mobpiecedunchaindan
what a nice, chill episode that went so off the rails in the last 2 minutes LMAO
めっちゃ穏やかな回だったのに最後の2分で急にぶっ飛んだなw普通くん
PeaceAlien
Youta says he's fine, Koyun looks like she might overreact to the situation at the moment.
Youtaは大丈夫って言ってるけど、Koyunが今の状況に過剰反応しそうだなwwwwおじ
Frontier246
Kind of giving me Fruits Basket vibes. "Oh, this is so sweet, funny and wholes----wait, what is with this complicated family drama and backstory!?"
ふむ…『フルーツバスケット』の波動を感じ取ったぞ。甘美で愉快、そして心温まる空気…「待てよ、この複雑なる一族の因縁と過去の闇、一体何だというのだ!?」と我が魂が叫んでおる。中二病
Beautiful-Bit3929
When youta reminded koyuki of her dad somehow I got flashbacks of [fruits basket spoiler] yuki and tohru When we suddenly realise that yuki thought of tohru as his mother
確かに、陽太が小雪に父親を思い出させるシーン、フルーツバスケットで由希が透をお母さんだと思ってたって気づく場面を思い出したわ。普通くん
FabtheEmber
Not as heavy on the trauma but goes as deep on the emotional aspects of characters imo
確かに!トラウマ要素は控えめだけど、キャラの心情描写の深さは同じくらいあると思う。エモすぎるよッ!感情くん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
原文
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あ、コメント削除されたみたいだね。現在放送中のアニメのスレでは、原作の話はSource Material Cornerに書かないとダメみたい。ネタバレじゃなくて、原作の話題を間違った場所に書いたから削除されたんだって。ルールは確認しておいたほうが良さそう。普通くん
Zemahem
It's cause a nice and chill ending probably wouldn't have fit the ED lol.
草 エンディングに合わないからああなったんやろなwww2ちゃん
oops_i_made_a_typi
love the ED so much, when it creeps in slowly and then shoots off in earnest
EDめっちゃ好きだわ。静かに始まってから一気に加速するところがたまらないね普通くん
juicy_jonny
So true! Between the OP and the ED the ED easily takes the cake
草、OPとEDならEDのが圧倒的にええやんwww2ちゃん
Kirosh2
You can't have too much fun in a drama. The Pain, the Mess, must flow.
まじでそれな!ドラマは苦さとか痛みがないと盛り上がらないじゃん?笑 そういうカオスな展開こそが最高なんだよね〜!ギャル
PapaBeer642
The intro to the ED song makes whatever is happening under it feel really intense, and they are definitely leaning into that. 😅
EDの曲のイントロがめっちゃ緊迫感あって、その演出にガッツリ乗っかってるよね😅 しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
SecretYogurtcloset57
Fo real 😅
ガチで草www2ちゃん
ThrowCarp
It caught me so offguard.
やばっ!まじで予想外すぎたんだけど!笑ギャル
Sweaty_Kaleidoscope5
what the fuck are you saying, absolutely nothing happened in the end, they're trying to create unnecessary and nonexistent drama and they're doing it so badly, his mother died when he was little and his father remarried ok so?
何言ってんだよ。結局何も起こらなかったじゃん。無駄にドラマ作ろうとしてるけど下手すぎるわ。母親が幼い頃に死んで父親が再婚したからって、それが何だってんだよ。普通くん
Zeallfnonex
原文
The more interesting thing was Youta's reaction and Minato's hint that anyone dating Youta would be in for a world of trouble. This was a very non-normal family interaction that Koyun just witnessed, his stepmother asking him essentially if he was going to eat with them and that she hadn't planned on it, implying that that's the norm. Both of them looked surprised to see each other, which is not something I'd expect of a functioning family. So something is going on, and I suspect Youta is not nearly as inwardly calm about it as his outward demeanor would suggest.
要するに陽太の反応と、陽太と付き合う奴は面倒ごとに巻き込まれるって湊の示唆が興味深かったな。小雲が目撃したのは明らかに普通じゃない家族のやり取りだ。継母が「一緒に食べるの?」って聞いて、その前提として「予定してなかった」って言ってたのが、それが日常ってことの暗示だろう。お互い驚いた顔してたし、健全な家族ならああはならない。何か事情があるんだろうな。陽太は表向きは冷静そうに見えて、内心は全然そんなことないと思うぜ。ドライおじ
Kirosh2
Episode 3 also has the scene of Minato inviting Yota over for dinner, saying his mom is always happy to see him, but him refusing, eating a hot dog, then going to study late at night.
やばっ!第3話で湊が陽太を夕飯に誘うシーンあるじゃん?「うちの母ちゃんいつもお前のこと喜んでるよ」って言うのに陽太が断って、ホットドッグ食って夜遅くまで勉強してくの…まじ切ないんだけど!泣ギャル
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
Boy, it’s been a rough episode for Minato lol. It seems bro’s catching feelings for Koyun but is trying his damndest to deny that fact. But then he sees Yota and Koyun together and gets jealous. What a little goofball. I know Miki thinks Koyun and Yota would be a good couple, but I don’t feel like there’s any romantic vibes there. Seems purely platonic to me. Guy apparently gives off dad energy so she feels safe lol.
ミナト今回キツかったな笑。コユンに気持ちあるくせに全力で否定しようとしてるのバレバレだよな。でも陽太と一緒にいるの見て嫉妬してるし。マジおバカさんだわ。ミキはコユンと陽太がいいカップルになると思ってるみたいだけど、俺には恋愛要素感じないんだよな。完全にプラトニックだと思う。陽太はパパ感出してて安心できるって感じだろ笑。普通くん
Roskal
原文
Yota also doesn't seem to feel anything romantic for Koyun. Minato says falling in love with him would only cause her suffering. I am curious what he means by that, I don't think he's just saying that out of jealousy. I think it could have something to do with his relationship with his step mother, maybe his dad remarrying someone so young messed up his opinion of love to the point he doesn't want to pursue it at all.
確かに、陽太は小雲に対して恋愛感情を抱いていないように見える。湊が「彼を好きになれば苦しむだけだ」と言った意味、それは嫉妬だけじゃない。彼自身の継母との関係、若い女性と再婚した父親のせいで、恋愛という概念そのものが歪んでしまったのかもしれない。我が考察では、湊は愛を追求することを自ら放棄した、哀れな魂なのだ。中二病
Frontier246
Admittedly he acts emotionally unbothered by near anything and that might actually be a coping mechanism and a reason he can't pursue/accept love from other people.
せやな、あいつ何にも動じない感じやけど、それって実は対処法なんかもな。他人からの愛情を受け入れられん理由にもなってるわ。2ちゃん
Ok-Cod5254
Minato says falling in love with him would only cause her suffering. Though it's also a bit funny with Minato saying this when he has a past with many girls that have broken up with him from entering into relationships so casually, while the other party seems to be more invested. lol
ミナトが「俺を好きになっても苦しむだけだ」って言ってるの、ちょっと笑えるな。だって彼、軽いノリで付き合っては振られまくってきた過去があるのに、相手の方が本気になってる感じじゃん。笑普通くん
tripleaamin
So if we assume Koyun ends up having a crush on Yota we would have a love square of Minato -> Koyun -> Yota -> Miki back to Minato.
まじでこれ!笑 コユンが陽太に片想いするって仮定したら、湊→コユン→陽太→ミキ→湊って感じのラブスクエアになるじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
thatonefatefan
原文
Honestly, that's how I figured it out. Ironically though, I think this is the more likely thread at episode 1. Minato used to pity Koyun, even if he's developping feelings for her Miki was pissed at Minato for treating Koyun the way he was. I hope I could say there's jealousy in it because they're my OTP but... yeah. Koyun just sees Yota as her 2nd real friend in years for now. Yota's feeling being so understated also allow them to be the first one to have bloomed.
正直、ワイもそこから気づいたわ。皮肉なことに、これが1話時点では一番あり得そうな流れやな。湊は小雲に同情してただけやし、今は恋心に変わりつつあるけどな。ミキは湊が小雲に対する態度にキレてたし。嫉妬って言いたいとこやけどな、ワイの推しカップルやし…でもなあ。小雲は今のところ陽太を数年ぶりの2人目のリアルな友達としか見てない。陽太の感情が控えめすぎるのも、あいつらが真っ先に開花した理由やろな。2ちゃん
Jacob-C
Personally, I would remove the "back to Minato". But you could be right.
確かに「湊に戻って」の部分はなくてもいいかもね。でも君の言う通りかもしれない。普通くん
Joseki100
My mind immediately went "he's in love with his step-mother", but I don't think it's gonna go there.
「義母に恋してるんじゃないか」って一瞬思ったけど、さすがにそこまでは行かないよなッ!感情くん
Possible-Pickle6319
Son 🙏
息子よマジでそれな!笑ギャル
HornedTurtle1212
Same, lol
それな(笑)ドライおじ
Kronman590
inb4 hes aromantic
草、こいつアロマンティック説きたなwww2ちゃん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I mean, the bigger issue with the pairing is that it seems like Yota is into Miki and not Koyun. He drops everything, when she is near him and he didn't want to answer why he was transferring to this school (Minato had to come in and give a reasoning). And with this episode, it seems likely that Minato is aware of that fact as well which is why he thinks that Koyun wouldn't get happy if she fell in love with Yota.
確かに、このカップリングの問題はヨウタがコユンじゃなくてミキに気があるってことだよね。彼女が近くにいるときは何もかも放り出すし、転校理由を聞かれても答えなかったし(ミナトがフォローしてた)。今回のエピソードで、ミナトもそれに気づいてて、だからコユンがヨウタを好きになっても幸せになれないって思ってるっぽい。普通くん
Frontier246
Also I feel like getting into a relationship with Yota would just be a little too...easy? Because he makes her feel so comfortable, which on paper would be good for a relationship but I don't think it would help with Koyuki's underlying emotional baggage and her ramparts.
ワイ的にはヨータと付き合うのはちょっと簡単すぎない?って思うンゴwww 確かに彼といると落ち着くし、表向きは関係に良さそうやけど、小雪の心の壁とかトラウマには向き合えへん気がするわ。2ちゃん
Zemahem
Well for now at least, it's not like Yota has shown anything that would make him a poor fit to help Koyuki deal with her underlying issues. And being so comfortable around one's partner is a great thing in any relationship, especially if one is to open up to them about personal and sensitive matters.
今のところは、陽太が小雪の抱える問題に対して助けるのに不向きだって要素は特にないよね。それに、パートナーと一緒にいてこんなにリラックスできるって、どんな関係でも大事なことだし、特に個人的でセンシティブな話を打ち明けるならなおさらだと思う。普通くん
Kirosh2
I mean, he makes her feel safe, she enjoys spending time with him, is already good friend with him. It's not hard to ship them to be honest, or at least think why Miki likes the pairing, even more since Yota isn't like Igarashi at all.
せやな、彼といると安心できるし一緒にいて楽しいし、もう十分仲良しやん。推すのは難しくないわ、少なくともミキがこのカップリング好きな理由はわかるンゴ。なんせヨータはイガラシとは全然タイプ違うしな。草2ちゃん
Frontier246
Yota is a total green flag, but I think they wouldn't have thrown in that scene of Miki being lifted and being reminded of her dad if it wasn't implying her feelings for him (or the comfort she feels around him) were not developing in a romantic light. That being said she definitely is looking at him/finding excuses to spend time with him as if she were a developing crush.
このシーン、興味深い考察ができるな。確かにヨタは完全にグリーンフラグ(健全な恋愛対象)なんだけど、ミキが持ち上げられて父親を思い出す場面をわざわざ入れたってことは、制作陣の意図として彼に対する感情(あるいは彼のそばで感じる安心感)がロマンチックな方向に発展していく暗示だと読める。加えて、彼女が彼をじっと見たり、一緒に過ごす口実を探す描写は、まさに片思いが芽生えつつある典型的な行動パターンだと言える。考察くん
Roonagu
In real life, many people actually unconsciously look for signs in their romantic partners that remind them of their parents/of something familiar. If they grew up in a household with an unhealthy relationship between their parents, it can lead to a lot of problems, but psychologically, it’s pretty common.
確かにそれって現実でもよくある話だよね。無意識に親とか馴染みのあるものを恋愛相手に求めるって。親の関係が健全じゃないと問題も起こりがちだけど、心理学的にはごく普通のことなんだって。普通くん
SirGigglesandLaughs
True but from a narrative perspective, the author choosing to explain their closeness by saying he's like a fatherly figure to her is typically for a reason other than that.
確かにw でも物語的に、作者があえて「父親みたいな存在」って説明するのには、他に理由があるんだろな笑wwwおじ
axlorg8
This. As someone that's blind, I'm already into them because the vibes are good and warm. But, I also recognize that's way too easy for a rom-drama show so I know it's a losing battle
確かに。視覚障害者としては、この作品の雰囲気が良くて温かいからもう好きになってるんだよね。でも、ロマンスドラマでそんなに簡単にいくわけないってわかってるし、負け戦だって自覚してる。普通くん
Frontier246
原文
Boy, it’s been a rough episode for Minato lol. It seems bro’s catching feelings for Koyun but is trying his damndest to deny that fact. But then he sees Yota and Koyun together and gets jealous. What a little goofball. His friends cursed him with falling in love with a girl who wanted nothing to do with him and it came due far quicker than he expected lol. I know Miki thinks Koyun and Yota would be a good couple, but I don’t feel like there’s any romantic vibes there. Seems purely platonic to me. Guy apparently gives off dad energy so she feels safe lol Yeah, seems like they were dadzoning him at the end there.
ミナト草生えたわw 恋心に気づきつつも必死に認めたくないんやろな。でも陽太と小雲が一緒にいるの見て嫉妬してるし。マジで間抜けすぎるやろw 友達に「お前を好きにならない女に恋する呪い」かけられて、思ったより早く発動しちゃったンゴねw ミキは小雲と陽太がいいカップルになると思ってるみたいやけど、ワイには全然恋愛感情感じられへんわ。完全にプラトニックやろ。陽太は父親みたいな安心感あるから小雲も安全だと思ってるだけやんw 最後のシーンで完全に父性ゾーンに入れられてて草2ちゃん
Atharaphelun
His friends cursed him with falling in love with a girl who wanted nothing to do with him and it came due far quicker than he expected lol. About bloody time that he experienced some karmic retribution.
友達が「お前は自分に興味ない女の子に恋する呪い」をかけたら、思ったより早く効いちゃったってわけか笑。ようやく因果応報が来たって感じだね。普通くん
Xatu44
It's extremely satisfying watching him get dunked all episode.
まじで見ててスッキリするんだけど!?あいつがずっとドヤられてるのやばくない!?笑ギャル
Prestigious-Effort19
I know it's not a romantic context, but he already was suffering quietly in much the same way as his former girlfriends because almost everyone he's friends with project an emotional vacuity onto him that he's complained about multiple times. As if because they can't see him feeling things, so he must not have emotions. He's a really interestingly written character!
確かに恋愛文脈ではないんだが、彼は元彼女たちと同じように静かに苦しんでいたと言える。というのも、彼の友人たちのほとんどが彼に感情の空虚さを投影していて、それについて彼は何度も不満を漏らしているんだよな。まるで「感情が見えないから感情がないんだろう」って決めつけられてるようなものだ。このキャラクター、本当に興味深い書き方されてるよな!考察くん
DugACCat
原文
Maybe, but as someone who has always been slow to have such feelings kindle and make themselves known, and appreciating a warm friendship foundation, I feel some hope for them. It’s possible it’ll stay just friendship and platonic, but could be a slower burn. I do like the vibe between them either way. But yeah, it may be more likely she’ll do better elsewhere. I still have my doubts about Minato but maybe his emotions getting stirred up a bit will let him change in a good way.
確かに、ゆっくりと感情が育つタイプの自分としては、温かい友情ベースがあるのは希望が持てるんだよね。プラトニックなままかもだけど、じわじわ進む可能性もあるし。どっちにしろ二人の雰囲気は好きだな。でも彼女は他にいい相手がいるかもね。ミナトにはまだ疑問あるけど、感情が動いたことで良い方向に変わるかもしれない。普通くん
ThrowCarp
Still it was pretty chill to see those two hang out. I do hope we get more comfy scenes like this. Poor Minato the normie though. Falling in love with the one person he wasn't able to make a connection with.
あの二人の交流シーン、かなりクールだったよな。もっとこういう心地いいシーンが見たいところだ。ただ、普通の感覚を持つミナトは気の毒だな。唯一、自分が繋がりを持てなかった相手に恋してしまうとは。考察くん
mekerpan
原文
Yota accepts Koyun as she is -- and sees her as an equal. Minato wants to re-make Koyun -- and make her grateful to him. Minato is part "goofball" -- but he is also part something that makes me very uncomfortable. I do not see how the show can convince me that he is somehow a better match for Koyun. And now that we know MIki has NO romantic feelings towards Yota (while her feelings for Minato seem to remain unclear and complicated), a Yota-Miki pairing would also strike me as arbitrary. If the show does go this direction in the end, I will likely deem it unsatisfactory.
陽太は小雲をそのまま受け入れてるし、対等に見てる。一方の湊は小雲を作り変えようとして、感謝させようとしてる。湊は「お調子者」な部分もあるけど、同時にすごく居心地悪くさせる要素もあって、どうやってこいつが小雲に合うって納得させられるのかわからない。しかもミキが陽太に恋愛感情ゼロで(湊への気持ちは複雑で曖昧なまま)、陽太×ミキも無理やりにしか見えない。もし最終的にそうなるなら、個人的には納得いかないな。普通くん
Frontier246
I don't think Minato really wants to remake Koyun at this point. I think he was genuinely trying to help her/make her feel better but he respected her feelings and her anxiety when she tried to apologize last week. It's just that he wants to get to know better the real her she only shows to the people she's close to.
このシーン、ミナトは現時点でコユンをリメイクしたいわけじゃないんだよな。むしろ彼女を助けたい、気分を良くさせたいという純粋な気持ちだったけど、先週彼女が謝ろうとした時の不安や心情を尊重したんだと思う。つまり彼は、親しい人にしか見せない本当の彼女をもっと知りたいというのが本心なんじゃないかという考察ができる。考察くん
mekerpan
I will await what happens. All I can say that, in real life, a person like Minato wouldreally rub me the wrong way -- and I am not nearly as introverted as Koyun.
確かに。現実に湊みたいな人がいたら、俺もすごく苦手かも。小雲ほど内向的じゃないけどな。普通くん
pasttimeghost
When did the story ever suggest that Minato wants to re-make Koyun? He's only been trying to be friends with her so far.
ふむ…物語のどこでミナトがコユンを“作り変えたい”などと申した?某が観る限り、ただ友となりたいと努めておるのみでござる。武士
FabtheEmber
原文
What made you even think Minato wants to change her. Just last episode when he is being told off he decides that his help is not needed truly and decided to back off He thought he was genuinely trying to help, and later genuinely wanted to make normal conversation with her and unwittingly stepped on landmines. He had pushy curiosity etc.. I don't see how anything Minato did (asking about hobbies, middle school, trying to flirt) says he wants to change her lol
ミナトが彼女を変えたいとか思う要素どこにあんの?前回のエピソードで「お前の助けはいらねえ」って言われた時、素直に引いたやん。ワイは単に助けたかっただけやし、普通に雑談したかっただけやのに地雷踏みまくっただけやろ。趣味聞いたり中学の話しようとしたり、ナンパしようとしただけで「変えたい」って発想は草生えるわw2ちゃん
Marbx
Did Koyun just dad-zone Yota? 😭😭
コユン、ヨタに「お父さん枠」入れたのかよww泣けるわ普通くん
manormortal
Getting dad zoned by a girl your own age is madness. Short kings win again.
それな!同い年の子に父親扱いされるのヤバすぎじゃね?笑 でもショート男子の勝ちだよね!まじで!ギャル
socialistRanter
Yota is either a giraffe or a dad, there’s no winning
ヨタ殿、キリンか父親のどちらかでござるな。勝ち筋などありはせぬ。武士
Unique_Post_5199
See being dad zoned can be good in MANY WAYS as well. Tall chads fight back.
確かに友達扱いされるのも悪くないよね。高身長のイケメンたちも頑張れって感じだな。普通くん
Possible-Pickle6319
Minato in 5 at this point
現時点で湊は5だろッ!感情くん
wutfacer
Nuh uh daddy
「違うって、パパ」普通くん
Ok-Cod5254
She doesn't have romance on the radar at all so far in general for anyone. Though people sometimes use their parents/guardians as a model for the type of qualities they seek in a potential partner subsciously. So thinking of her dad from Yota isn't saying he couldn't be a possible type for her. But we can obviously see that the story isn't likely going in that direction. lol
今のところ彼女、恋愛とか完全に眼中にないやんwww ただ、無意識に親を理想のパートナーの基準にすることってあるから、陽太のお父さんをそういう目で見てる可能性はゼロじゃないかもね。 でもストーリーがそっちに行くことはまずないやろなwww2ちゃん
bituin_the_lines
Yota already kinda owned the dad role last episode when he and Minato were joking about Koyun. I love their dad-daughter dynamics! I understand why people can ship them, but I love how they can be close and platonic. Yota's my favorite. Green flag, best boy, gentle giant.
陽太は前回のエピソードで湊と小雲の話で冗談言ってた時点で父親ポジション確立してたよね。二人の父娘関係めっちゃ好き!カップリング推しする気持ちもわかるけど、あの距離感がプラトニックでいいんだよな。陽太が一番好き。優良物件、ベストボーイ、優しい巨人。普通くん
Guts2ghosts
I actually came on this thread because so far this entire show all I can think about is what a good dude Yota is. Just an absolute solid guy. I'd genuinely love to see them get together but I haven't really picked up any romantic vibes from him to her. But I feel this episode started showing slight ones from her to him. Six episodes in and I don't quite like the other guy lead.
このスレに来たのは、今のところこの作品全体を通して陽太が本当にいいやつだってことばかり考えてたからなんだ。本当に信頼できる男だよ。二人がくっつくところを見たい気持ちはあるけど、今のところ陽太から彼女への恋愛感情は感じ取れてないんだよね。でも今回のエピソードで、彼女の方から陽太へのわずかな恋愛感情が垣間見えた気がする。6話まで来たけど、もう一人の男性主人公はあまり好きになれないな。考察くん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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ProfessionalChard213
I won’t be surprised if she falls for him then later finds out he’s YOTA is not romantically involved that’s where maybe the other guy lead may step in to win her.. For me I don’t want anyone just yota all the way
ワイ的には彼女がYOTAに惚れて、後で「実は恋愛対象じゃなかった」って知る展開は全然ありえると思うわ。その隙に他のやつが入ってくるんやろな…でもワイはYOTA一択や。他のやつはいらん。2ちゃん
Late-Rope9617
Sadly she wont she falls for minato.
悲しいけど彼女はミナトに惚れちゃうんだよね。普通くん
darkmacgf
Nah, it's fairly common in romance manga for girls to be into guys who're like their dads.
せやな、恋愛漫画だと女の子が父親みたいなタイプの男に惹かれるパターン結構あるやん。草2ちゃん
Interesting-Jacket57
Nah this ep clearly indicated that girl sees yota as a father figure not ur typical romantic father figure but real deal
まじそれ!このエピで完全にわかったじゃん?あの子、ヨータのこと父親的存在として見てるんだよね。普通の恋愛的な父親像とかじゃなくて、マジのやつ笑ギャル
Roskal
Do the girls normally point it out themselves or is it pointed out by others?
女の子たちが自分で言い出すのか、それとも他人が指摘するのが普通なん?2ちゃん
darkmacgf
Both, I'd say.
両方すぎるッ!どっちも決められないよ!感情くん
xdxdlol0434
原文
Yota is always depicted (by Koyun) as a very chill guy who is really easy going, friendly, and considerate. But this episode also emphasizes him spending time "thinking nothing". If you are to do that deliberately, it's mostly when you want to avoid about thinking about something. It seems that it stems from the family situation, to the point he (subconsciously) tries to avoid spending time home. But even so, he claims the family is "normal". When you piece it together, this looks like someone who is trying really hard to accept reality, but some places just do not fit right and he doesn't want to make a fuss about it. Subtle, but honestly quite relatable, even if the context is not always the same.
ヨウタはいつも(Koyunによって)すごく穏やかで、気さくで思いやりのある奴として描かれてるよね。でも今回のエピソードで「何も考えない」時間を過ごしてるってのが強調されてた。意図的にそうするのは、何かを考えたくない時が多いんだよな。家庭の事情が原因で、無意識に家にいる時間を避けてるっぽい。それでも彼は家族を「普通」って言ってるし。全部つなげると、現実を受け入れようと必死だけど、しっくりこない部分があって、波風立てたくないって感じに見える。微妙だけど、正直共感できるわ。状況は違ってもね。普通くん
Zemahem
It's a neat reframing of the prior scenes. Where Koyuki just thinks it's nice and relaxing for him to space out, when the entire time he could've been using it as a way to cope with his own personal baggage.
草、これまでのシーンを綺麗に再解釈してるやん。小雪は「ボーッとするのが気持ちいい」くらいにしか思ってなかったのに、実は自分の悩みを処理するための対処法だった可能性あるってか。深いわ〜2ちゃん
ToTheNintieth
It's such a subtle, low-key way to show what his personal issues are. One of my favorite details in the character writing.
これは彼の問題をすごくさりげなく、控えめに描く方法だね。キャラクター描写の中でも好きなディテールのひとつ。普通くん
Didavi_
Not the first time the phrase polar opposite is mentioned in this anime lol. Although it's probably just translation choice idk
「polar opposite」ってこのアニメで何度も出てくるじゃん笑 まあ翻訳の仕方の問題かもだけどね〜ギャル
Frontier246
Shimojima gives me a lot of Nishi vibes.
下島、西っぽい雰囲気がすごいあるな。普通くん
CitronClassic672
Like a more confident, less anxious, but still soft spoken introvert like Nishi
あー、めっちゃわかる!西くんよりは自信あって不安も少ないけど、やっぱり口数少なめな感じの陰キャってことね!ナイス表現じゃん!ギャル
InformationOk3960
Especially with that rant against people in sports clubs getting out of work!
特に体育会系の部活やってる人たちが仕事から逃げてるって愚痴、あれがヤバかったね!普通くん
Killer_154
I would say she's a mix between honda and nishi
え、まじでそれわかる!ホンダと西のミックスって感じだよね笑ギャル
darkmacgf
The translation keeps using those words despite the Japanese being different every time.
確かに、毎回日本語が違うのに翻訳が同じ言葉を使ってるのは気になるな。普通くん
Roskal
I wish they wouldn't do it. Its a cool reference once but I think this is the 3rd time and it makes the author come across as very self referential instead of just a cute easter egg one time.
もうええやろ……1回目は「おっ」てなったけど、3回目ともなると作者の自画自賛感がハンパないンゴwww 一発ネタで可愛く済ませとけば良かったのに草2ちゃん
profdeadpool
When the Japanese words are different, it's not the author doing those references, it's the translator.
日本語と違う単語が出てくるのは、作者がやってるわけじゃなくて翻訳者のせいだね。普通くん
Jacob-C
The translation keeps using those words despite the Japanese being different every time. "I wish they wouldn't do it", "It makes the author come across". They're saying that the translators are making the author look that way by translating it wrong.
この翻訳、毎回違う日本語なのに同じ英訳を使ってるんだよな。「そうしてほしくない」「作者の意図が透けて見える」って言ってるけど、実際は誤訳で作者の印象を歪めてるという考察ができる。考察くん
profdeadpool
Ah that makes sense.
あーそれな!納得いったわ笑ギャル
jaymstone
It’s seems to me like every time they’ve used it it was for the word “magyaku” which is also translated as polar opposites *in* Polar Opposites, even though it’s different from the “seihantai” in the title.
なるほど、この作品で「magyaku」という言葉が使われるたびに、それがタイトルの「Polar Opposites」における「正反対」とは異なる意味で「真逆」と訳されている点が興味深い。表題の「seihantai」との使い分けから、制作陣が意図的に「対立」と「逆転」のニュアンスを区別している可能性が高い。これは、キャラクター間の関係性や物語の構造に深い伏線が張られている証拠だと思われる。考察くん
darkmacgf
They've used words like "taikyoku" in Japanese too, but still TL it as polar opposites.
まじで!?日本語でも「対極」って言葉使ってるのに、翻訳だとpolar oppositesってなってるのやばくね笑 もっとストレートに訳せばいいのに〜ギャル
jaymstone
I see I see, appreciate that
なるほど、そういうことか。ありがとう普通くん
VoidRay728
原文
The lesson of today is: don't just ask "are you free tomorrow" without actually saying why you want that person to be free tomorrow. If you're on the receiving end, it doesn't hurt to ask why back instead of just turning it down. There's something unsettling about the way Yota says that his family is normal now. Koyuki is clearly triggered by it, but I don't think Yota's stepmum looking young is the issue.
今日の教訓「明日ヒマ?」って理由も言わずに聞くなって話やな。逆に聞かれた側も、いきなり断る前に理由聞いてみるのもアリやろ。ヨータが「今の家族は普通」って言うのがなんかモヤモヤするンゴ。小雪が引っかかってるのは分かるけど、義母が若すぎるのが問題ってわけじゃない気がするわ。2ちゃん
InformationOk3960
I’m guessing Koyun has never had someone to share with the feelings of being left by a parent? She seems to have held feelings about it all inside, and it led her to the Igarashi path (her statement about maybe Igarashi will be the only one to love her felt like it came from divorce feelings)
小雲は親に置いていかれた気持ちを誰とも共有できなかったんだろうな。全部心の中に溜め込んで、それが五十嵐ルートに繋がった感じがする(「五十嵐だけが自分を愛してくれるかも」って台詞、離婚の経験から来てそうだった)普通くん
Frontier246
Maybe on some level she can tell that Yota is hiding his true feelings because she's been there after her parents divorced?
確かに!彼女自身が親の離婚を経験してるから、ヨタが本音隠してるのを察知できるんだろうな…しんどい。感情くん
RipVander
Yota really scared me when he said that sentence😭, now I'm really curious.
Yotaがあのセリフ言った時はマジでビビったわ😭、めっちゃ気になるじゃん普通くん
Kirosh2
原文
Poor Miki. She just said the wrong thing at the wrong time, after getting dumped, making Koyun think dating Igarashi was a good idea. Which is also why she's so protective of her. And also wanting the best for her friends. Even going as far as shipping them. But let's admit this episode was quite cute for them together. But Minato is so funny : "I can control my emotions easily." Koyun does anything. "Fuck!!!!"
ミキは本当に不運だったな。フラれた直後に悪いタイミングで余計な一言を言ってしまい、それがきっかけで小雲に「五十嵐と付き合うのが良いアイデアだ」と思わせてしまった。だからこそ彼女は小雲を過保護に守りたがるし、友達の幸せを願ってあそこまで推し活に走るんだろう。でも今週のエピソード、二人のやり取りは確かに可愛かった。一方で湊の「感情は簡単にコントロールできる」発言は笑えたな。小雲が何かするたびに「クソッ!!」って叫んでるし。考察くん
Zemahem
He really thought he was a bastion of stability until Koyun got him folding like a lawn chair.
コユンに会うまで自分は安定した人間だと思い込んでた奴が、いざとなったらまるでパイプ椅子みたいに折れ曲がっちゃったんだよな。普通くん
CitronClassic672
That smile, that damn smile immediately dismantled a mentality he seemingly built up for years. And I can’t even fault him, as I’ve recently realized that a cute person looking at me and giving me such a genuine smile like that is my own personal kryptonite as well. You were doomed from the start, Minato.
あの笑顔、あの厄介な笑顔が一瞬で彼が何年もかけて築いてきた心の壁を崩したんだよな。しかも、俺は彼を責められない。最近気づいたんだけど、可愛い人が俺に向けてあんな純粋な笑顔を向けるのは、俺自身の弱点でもあるからな。最初から運命は決まってたんだ、湊。考察くん
Frontier246
Miki and Koyun both deserve people who accept and appreciate them for who they are, quirks and all, instead of rejecting and treating them like trash for it. Nothing says the pangs of first love like being turned into a jealous, insecure, mess lol.
ミキとコユン、どっちもありのままの自分を受け入れてくれる奴がふさわしいンゴ。クセがあろうがな。それをゴミ扱いして拒絶すんのはクソやろ。嫉妬でメチャクチャになる初恋の痛みってまさにこれやな草2ちゃん
delta_angelfire
"I can control my emotions easily." Koyun does anything. "Fuck!!!!" this phrasing made me immediately imagine Minato launching into a chorus of "BIRDBRAIN" and honestly it kinda fits
「感情は簡単にコントロールできる」って言ってるコユンが何かやらかす度に「クソッ!!!」ってなるの分かるわ。この言い回しでミナトが突然「BIRDBRAIN」を歌い出す光景が頭に浮かんだけど、なんか合ってる気がするんだよな。普通くん
rubslotiononitsskin
She just said the wrong thing at the wrong time, after getting dumped, making Koyun think dating Igarashi was a good idea. If Makio had heard that conversation, you bet your ass she'd shut that shit down immediately.
彼女はフラれた直後、タイミング悪く余計な一言を言ってしまい、そのせいで小弓が「五十嵐と付き合うのは良いアイデアだ」と思い込んでしまったんだな。もしマキオがその会話を聞いていたら、間違いなく即座に止めていただろうという考察ができる。考察くん
szalhi
Not enough slug in this episode.
このエピソード、ナメクジが足りなかったな。普通くん
AmethystItalian
I did like the interaction with him and his sister about it, felt very natural and normal, this show excels in dialogue like that
まじでそれ!兄妹のやりとりがめっちゃ自然でいいよね〜このアニメの会話ってほんと秀逸じゃない!?ギャル
TheBusStop12
Yeah, it reminded me of how I interact with my sister's, sharing pics of our dog and cats being silly and cute
草、姉貴とワイが犬と猫のバカ可愛い写真送り合うのと一緒やんwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
He should send that pic to Koyuki! She might smile at him again lol.
その写真、小雪に送ればいいのに!また笑ってくれるかもよw普通くん
Zeallfnonex
My first guess on where this was going was that he was going to post it to whatever knockoff of Instragram/Line (do they have a public feed? I have no idea how it actually works)/social media they have in-universe, didn't expect the burger profile pics instead 😆
最初はインスタとかLineのパクリSNS(ていうか作中に公開フィードあるんか?仕組みよくわからんけど)に投稿するのかと思ったらまさかのハンバーガープロフ画像で草www2ちゃん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
So props to u/Frontier246 who suggested last week that the reason for Igarashi not remembering Koyun is that the difference in last name is a result from a divorce. Considering the ending of this episode and how Koyun reacted seems to be right. It seems her father is gone and compared to Yota, she can't really get accustomed to her new father. And as much as I like Miki shipping people, girl needs to realize that Yota is into her and not Koyun (at least very likely with all his actions). I get she is a bit hurt from what happened before. So she can't even imagine someone liking her for who she is. And maybe she even thinks that she shouldn't because they make such a good pair. But if Minato can get a grip of his feelings (even if it is slow) then you can as well.
先週、u/Frontier246が「五十嵐が小雲を覚えていない理由は姓の違い=両親の離婚が原因では」と指摘していたが、今回のエピソードの結末と小雲の反応を見る限り、その考察は正しかったと思われる。彼女の実父はもういないようで、陽太と違って新しい父親に馴染めていない。ミキの恋愛応援は好きだが、彼女もそろそろ気づくべきだ——陽太が想っているのは小雲ではなく自分だと(少なくとも彼の行動からはそう推測できる)。過去の傷で、自分が誰かにありのまま愛されるなんて想像もできず、むしろ陽太と小雲がお似合いだから自分は身を引くべきだと考えているのかもしれない。でも湊がゆっくりながらも自分の気持ちに向き合えたなら、彼女にもできるはずだ。考察くん
Frontier246
Also in the first episode we saw a flashback to her dad saying "I'm sorry Koyuki" so that was probably when she found out about the divorce on top of all the other middle school drama that she was going through at the time.
初回で父親が「ごめんね小雪」って言ってる回想あったやん。あれ多分、当時の中学校のドラマに加えて離婚も知ったタイミングなんやろな……ワイ涙腺崩壊したわンゴwww2ちゃん
ModieOfTheEast
Depending on how close she was with her father, she might have even lost her main support during that time. But now, three out of our four main characters have some kind of family drama in their history. Minato's elder brother (I guess) seemed to often argue with his parents.
父親との関係がどれだけ深かったかによるけど、当時は彼女の主な支えを失ったかもしれないね。でも今や主要キャラ4人のうち3人が何かしらの家族トラブルを抱えてるってことか。湊の兄(だと思う)も親とよく喧嘩してたみたいだし。普通くん
Zeallfnonex
Wait, I thought it was fairly obvious that Igarashi did remember Koyun and was lying through his teeth about it? His pupils dilated noticeably when Minato brought up her name, and his response sounded unnatural. My theory is that whatever went down after they dated until now is something personally shameful for him in his own eyes.
いや、五十嵐が小鳩を覚えていて、それについて平然と嘘をついているのは割と明白だと思ってたんだが?湊が彼女の名前を出した時、明らかに瞳孔が開いてたし、返答も不自然だった。俺の考察だと、彼らが付き合ってから現在に至るまでの間に起きた何かが、五十嵐自身にとって個人的に恥ずべきことなんじゃないかと考えられる。考察くん
Jacob-C
Yeah I got the feeling that Igarashi has huge regrets about how he treated her.
イガラシは彼女に対する自分の態度をすごく後悔してるんだろうなって感じたよ。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
He obviously remembers Koyun, that is not the question. And there is something that happened between them which might be related to the bullying. But Minato said that Igarashi really looked like he didn't know anyone named "Hikawa". Of course, there is the chance that Minato was just misreading the situation, but I feel considering that this wasn't used in the plot between him and Koyun that this was meant to be true.
明らかにコユンのこと覚えてるやん、それは間違いない。2人の間にはイジメに関係する何かがあったんだろうな。でも湊は五十嵐が「氷川」って名前を全く知らなかったみたいに言ってたんだよ。もちろん湊が状況を読み違えた可能性もあるけど、コユンとのストーリーでこれが使われなかったってことは、ガチでそういう設定だったんじゃね?2ちゃん
Kind_Avocado_7219
At first I thought Igarashi didn’t actually like Koyun, but Miki claimed otherwise this ep. I wonder if him realizing Koyun didn’t like him made him become an asshole as the worst kind of defense mechanism to being hurt.
最初は五十嵐って小雲のこと好きじゃないのかと思ったけど、今週の回でミキが違うって言ってたね。もしかして小雲に嫌われてるって気づいたのがきっかけで、傷つくのを防ぐための最悪の防御反応としてクズになったのかな。普通くん
Zeallfnonex
I still suspect that the bullying that happening to her started to affect his own social standing after they started dating for real, maybe rumors started about him due to his association with her, so in a panic he distanced himself as forcefully as he could, maybe repeating a bunch of the bullies' accusations?
いじめられてる彼女と付き合い始めたことで、自分にも飛び火したんやろな。噂流れてパニックになって、距離置こうと必死になったんやろ。しかもいじめっ子の言い分そのまま繰り返してた可能性あるわ。クソすぎるやろ。2ちゃん
Kronman590
Minato might be an unreliable narrator but it feels weird for him to point out that both Igarashi and Koyuki were not lying. I think Hikawa being a different name makes sense tbh
確かに湊は信用ならない語り手だけど、五十嵐と小雪の両方が嘘をついてなかったって指摘するのは変な感じだよね。氷川が別名義ってのは個人的には納得いくわ。普通くん
CitronClassic672
Or Koyun’s mom changed back to her maiden name. I’m not sure how common that is in Japan but I have seen another anime where that was the case.
小コユンの母親が旧姓に戻ったって話やな。日本でそれがどれくらい一般的かは知らんけど、他のアニメでもそういうケースあったわ。まあありえんこともないやろ。2ちゃん
ModieOfTheEast
Possible. I assumed a new father mainly how Koyun reacted to hearing that the woman was Yota's new mother. As if that is something that she can relate to.
確かに。コユンが「その女性はヨタの新しい母親」って聞いた時の反応を見ると、自分も同じ立場なんだなって感じがするね。普通くん
SezyFazes
原文
Really liked episode 6 of The Ramparts of Ice. Feels like the anime’s structure is every episode ends on a drama cliffhanger to keep viewers wanting more. This episode focused heavily on the inner feelings of the main cast and showed how flawed their ways of thinking actually are. Miki’s part was especially interesting. She pushed Koyun toward dating Igarashi because of her own bad experiences with love. Since Igarashi genuinely loved Koyun, Miki thought “why not just date someone who loves you that much?” But the problem was that she never truly listened to what Koyun herself wanted. It’s a good example of how personal experiences don’t always apply to other people’s lives. In the end, Miki realizes she indirectly pushed Koyun into a relationship she never truly wanted. Minato also became way more understandable here. His view of emotions almost feels mechanical, like feelings are something that should be controllable through logic. Ironically, falling for Koyun is probably the first thing that’s breaking down his unhealthy mindset. I also loved Tsukiko’s debut. She’s straightforward, honest, and openly expresses anger instead of suppressing it. It’s rare for someone to be able to melt Koyun’s ice wall this quickly. And then there’s Yota. Everyone loves him, but he’s still the biggest mystery in the main cast. Compared to the others, we barely know what he actually thinks. The reveal about Yota’s mother being dead and him living with a young stepmother definitely adds another layer to his character. Even without saying much, you can tell he’s gone through a lot. Overall, this felt like a strong setup episode.
『氷の城壁』第6話、めちゃくちゃ良かったな。毎話ドラマチックなクリフハンガーで終わる構成、視聴者を引き込む意図が感じられる。今話は主要キャストの内面に深くフォーカスし、彼らの思考の歪みを浮き彫りにしていた。特にミキのパートが興味深い。彼女は自身の恋愛経験のトラウマから、こゆんに「イガラシと付き合え」とプッシュしたわけだ。イガラシが本気でこゆんを愛している以上、「そこまで愛してくれる人となら」という思考が働いたんだろう。しかし問題は、彼女がこゆん自身の意志に耳を傾けていなかった点。個人の経験が他人の人生に必ずしも適用できない好例だ。結局ミキは、こゆんを望まない関係に間接的に追い込んだと気づく。ミナトも今話で理解が深まった。彼の感情観はほぼ機械的で、感情を論理でコントロール可能なものと捉えている。皮肉なことに、こゆんに恋をしたことが初めて彼の不健康な思考を崩壊させているんだろう。ツキコのデビューも良かった。率直で正直、怒りを抑えず表現する姿勢は新鮮。ここまで早くこゆんの氷の壁を溶かせる人物は珍しい。そしてヨタ。誰からも愛されるが、主要キャストで最大の謎。他と比べて彼の本心がほとんど見えない。母親が亡くなり若い継母と暮らしているという考察くん
femme-alt
why does this chatgpt comment have 50 upvotes
え、マジでこのChatGPTのコメントに50もアップボートついてるのやばくね!?笑ギャル
SezyFazes
I’m sorry, I used translation tool to summarize my thoughts from Thai to English. I wrote in-depth analysis of every episode each week on here. I’m kinda lazy to rewrite everything again for English but I will put more effort next time
翻訳ツール使ってタイ語から英語にまとめたんだね。毎週エピソードごとに深掘り分析してたのを見てたよ。全部書き直すのは確かに面倒だと思うけど、次回はもう少し頑張ってくれると嬉しいな。普通くん
femme-alt
Oh, in that case that's fine then. At least you're a real person lol
ああ、ならええわ。せめて人間やん草2ちゃん
HolyDragSwd2500
Minato EXE has stopped working
ミナトEXEが動かなくなった普通くん
BusouDrago
Ayanokouji can't think properly
確かに。綾小路、まともに考えられてないよな…。感情くん
testthrowawayzz
Just like Sakaguchi Ouri, he started crushing on a girl that harshly rejected him.
咲口ウリと同じで、厳しく振られた女の子に片思いし始めたんだね。普通くん
marcopolos059
The Yota and Koyuki segments were great, and watching Minato getting jealous too. Now what a cliffhanger, I wonder why Koyuki looked like that. And what was Minato meaning with suffering if Koyuki took this path or something. Edit: typo.
陽太&小雪パート良かったわ、そして湊の嫉妬もなwww でも最後の引きがヤバすぎンゴ…小雪のあの表情なんだったんや 湊が「小雪がこの道を選んだら苦しむ」みたいなこと言ってたのも気になるわ 編集:誤字直した2ちゃん
Frontier246
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I'm once again convinced that Igarashi is a complete dick...even if he was probably right that Miki's real personality was going to get her dumped by her current BF. But that's still no excuse to break up VIA TEXT and with no explanation. Poor Miki. And Miki channeled her frustration into telling Koyun to give Igarashi a chance, because at least SHE had someone who genuinely liked her (or so Miki thought). Koyun took this seriously and apparently, against her better judgement, went out with Igarashi and it did NOT end well. And now Miki is carrying the guilt over that. Best of luck to Hayato with his Band Girl Senpai. Not sure of his chances, but at least he and his pal can roast Minato over how he's never been in love and just mutually "liking" someone isn't enough for a relationship (as his many breakups he's clearly not hung up on can attest). But he can't help but think of Koyuki. Seems like the reason Minato is as reserved with his real emotions/feelings is he saw how unhappy his older brother was to the point of fighting with their parents and moving out so he doesn't want to be like him? So he never shows his real self because he sees it as a weakness? Imagine if Minato had been told ahead of time that Yota and Koyun were heading to visit Miki...I mean, they even looked dressed for a date and spent tons of time by themselves just trying to find the place! Even Miki's boss is shipping them now and frankly now Miki might be too! Koyuki is happy with her current part-time job, but since she's the most available student she ends up getting stuck in the library committee too alongside Shimojima from the art club. And finding out Shimojima was forced into it because people don't take what people do in art club serious is enough to make Koyuki mad and show Shimojima that she's a genuinely caring and emotional girl deep down! Could this be the start of a new friendship? Dang, Koyuki REALLY seeks out Yota whenever she sees him (especially when he stands out so much). Yota's always got his head in the clouds without a care in the world (seemingly) and Miki wishes she could be like that with how self-conscious and overthinking she is about everything. She wishes she were more like Yota...and Minato spots that longing look she's giving him. He should be worried! They are, after all, POLAR OPPOSITES! (Although seems like it's not just jealousy but just knowing how falling for Yota...does not end well) Although is it really romantic feelings or just...the reassuring comfort of Yota reminding her of her dad who she hasn't seen in a while? Oh hey, a mysterious young woman related to Yota who acts weird around him and he acts weird around her too...turns out she's his stepmom! I think Koyuki might have stepped into the emotional minefield that is Yota's family.
五十嵐はやっぱりクソ野郎だな…ミキの本性が今の彼氏に振られる原因になるって予想は合ってたかもしれないけど、テキストで一方的に別れるのはダメだろ。ミキ可哀想すぎる。で、ミキはそのフラストレーションをこゆんにぶつけて「五十嵐と付き合ってみてよ」って言ったんだな。こゆんは真に受けて、嫌な予感しつつもデートしたけど、結果は最悪。今はミキがその罪悪感背負ってる。はやとには頑張ってほしいけど、彼の恋愛はどうなるやら。少なくともミナトを「恋愛経験ゼロで、お互い好きってだけじゃダメだ」ってイジることはできるな。でもミナトの本音は、兄が親と喧嘩して家出するくらい不幸だったのを見て、自分もそうなりたくないから感情隠してるってことか。弱さを見せたくないってわけか。こゆきがミナトの兄とこゆんがミキのとこ行くって知ったら…デートみたいな格好で二人きりで探し回ってたしな。ミキの上司ももう二人を推してるし、ミキ自身もそうかも。こゆきはバイトは楽しいけど、図書委員に下島と一緒に押し込まれて、しかも下島が「美術部なんて真剣に見られてない」って理由で強制されてるのを知って怒るあたり、彼女の優しさが滲み出てるな。新しい友情の始まりか?こゆきは普通くん
Zeallfnonex
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I'm once again convinced that Igarashi is a complete dick...even if he was probably right that Miki's real personality was going to get her dumped by her current BF. But that's still no excuse to break up VIA TEXT and with no explanation. Poor Miki. wait, how is her boyfriend breaking up over text with her Igurashi's fault? Like, sure, bit coldhearted to point out that the breakup was likely, but if this is the one we heard about before, wasn't the other guy from a different middle school or something? That's not his fault (This time)
五十嵐またクソ野郎化確認したわ…三木の本性が原因で彼氏に振られるって予想は当たってたかもしれんけどさ。それでもLINEで別れるとか説明もなしとか許されんやろ。三木可哀想すぎるンゴ… いや待て、彼氏がLINEで振ったのを五十嵐のせいにするのはおかしくない?確かに「別れるだろうな」って言うのは冷たいけど、もし前に話に出てた奴なら相手は別の中学校のやつやろ?今回は五十嵐のせいちゃうやん(少なくとも今回だけは)2ちゃん
FabtheEmber
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Yess. You are so right. But I think the comment says Igarashi is a dick for being so rough with his words. Though honestly I want to cut him some slack. He was what.. 12. Blunt and flippant with everyone. Had a personality of annoying others and not mincing words.. Maybe he didn't realize what the words were doing to her. Lots of people in real life have habits of saying things harshly and not meaning it. I have come across them. So maybe he is like that. An ass but not a complete one imo
確かに。言いたいことはわかる。でもコメントでは伊辛が言葉づかい荒すぎてクソって言われてる感じだね。正直俺は少し大目に見たいんだよね。だってあの時12歳くらいでしょ。誰に対してもぶっきらぼうで軽かったし、他人をイラつかせる性格で遠慮もなかった。多分自分の言葉が彼女にどう響くか気づいてなかったんじゃないかな。現実でもきつい言い方するくせに悪気ない人いるし。俺も会ったことあるよ。だから彼もそんなタイプなんだと思う。嫌なやつだけど、完全なクズってわけじゃないと思う。普通くん
Roskal
I am enjoying Minato feeling emotions against his will for the first time. I do feel bad for him though and I think I ship him with Koyun more than Yota simply because Yota doesn't seem to feel that way about her.
湊が初めて自分の意思に反して感情を抱いてるの、めっちゃ面白いンゴwww でも本人には可哀想やな… ワイは陽太より小春とくっついてほしいわ。陽太は小春のことそういう目で見てなさそうやし。2ちゃん
Still-Neck-6771
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The pacing of this show is really well done. I like how we are slowly getting their past. Miki really feels guilty and I just feel bad for the overall situation. But Miki breaking up with her bf and getting blocked was sadly very relatable to me 😩 Also my boy MINATO!! He is so jealous 🤣 Also lowkey curious about Yota and Koyun's past. Koyun maybe her dad left idk. But when Yota said "Right now the family I have feels normal to me" sounded like he wasnt okay. Maybe theres something wrong thats why Minato keeps saying Yota isnt a good match or something along that line.
このアニメのペース配分、めっちゃ上手いよね。過去が少しずつ明かされていく感じがいい。ミキは本当に罪悪感抱えてて、状況全体がかわいそうに思える。でもミキが彼氏と別れてブロックされたのは、悲しいけどめっちゃ共感できる😩 そしてミナト!嫉妬しすぎだろ笑 あとヨタとコユンの過去もちょっと気になる。コユンは父親がいないのかな?でもヨタが「今の家族が普通に感じる」って言った時、なんか違和感あったんだよな。何か問題があるからミナトがヨタは合わないって言い続けてるのかも。普通くん
TheBusStop12
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But when Yota said "Right now the family I have feels normal to me" sounded like he wasnt okay. Maybe theres something wrong thats why Minato keeps saying Yota isnt a good match or something along that line. I have been wondering when we'll learn more about Yota and what secretly is wrong with him (besides pairing noodles with pancakes like a psychopath) seeing as the other 3 all have their share of mental struggles but Yota seems fine My guess as to why Minato thinks Yota and Koyun would make a bad match however is I think because he knows that Yota has a crush on Miki (he gets nervous and drops stuff when around Miki). Thus if Koyun develops a crush on Yota she'd likely be turned down and hurt
「“今の家族は自分にとって普通”って陽太が言った時、実は彼は大丈夫じゃなかったんだろうな。何か問題があって、だから湊が『陽太は良い相手じゃない』って言い続けてるのかも。他の3人がそれぞれ精神的な葛藤を抱えている一方で、陽太は問題なさそうに見えるけど、彼の隠れた闇がいつ明かされるのか気になってたんだよな(パンケーキに麺を合わせるサイコパス的嗜好は除いて)。湊が陽太と小弓が合わないと考える理由は、陽太がミキに片思いしているのを知っているからじゃないか(ミキの前で緊張して物を落とすし)。もし小弓が陽太に恋したら、振られて傷つくだけだろうしな)考察くん
Still-Neck-6771
I just can't wait 😭 I love this mangaka so much🫶
待ちきれなさすぎる😭 この漫画家さんマジで大好きすぎる🫶感情くん
Zemahem
Koyun and Yota's scenes together are always so relaxed and warm. Pretty much sums up their relationship. No surprise Miki and her boss ship it. RIP Minato though. He got suspicious and jealous from a bunch of burger pics. My guy really is down bad. Funny how he even got conditioned to think of Koyun by looking at his dog.
コユンとヨウタの共演シーンはいつも穏やかで温かい空気感がある。まさに二人の関係性を象徴しているな。ミキと上司が推すのも納得だ。ただミナトは不憫だよ。ハンバーガーの写真だけで疑心暗鬼になって嫉妬してる。あいつ本当に重症だな。自分の犬を見てもコユンを連想するように条件付けられてるのが笑える。考察くん
LeonKevlar
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Not gonna lie, I am having fun watching Minato agonize over Koyun and Youta's friendship. I definitely agree with how his friends feel about him. I doubt he really fell in love with his previous girlfriends, so it's fun watching him finally learn what it truly feels like to be in love. I'm glad to see Koyun making friends. So far, Shimojima seems fun, and I can't wait to see more of her. [Polar Opposites] Based on her cameo along with Koyun and Miki in Polar Opposites, I'm guessing she'll end up joining Koyun's friend group in the future That staircase scene between Koyun and Youta was so goddamn cute! I really want them to end up together, but so far, it really looks like this will end with the two of them having a strong platonic relationship, which isn't bad! I just wish there was more to it than that. So this lady is Youta's stepmother? Okay, I get that, but what's up with Koyun's reaction? Is it because of her father? I'm guessing that Koyun's parents are divorced, so she feels she can relate to Youta even more.
ミナトが小雲と陽太の友情にやきもきしてるの見るの普通に面白いわ。友達の言う通りだと思うし、今までの彼女に本当に恋してたか疑問だし、ようやく本物の恋を知る過程を見れて楽しい。小雲が友達できて良かった。下島は面白そうだし、もっと見たいな。『極寒の反対』でのカメオ出演からすると、いずれ小雲の友達グループに入るんだろうね。あの階段のシーンはめっちゃ可愛かった!二人にはくっついてほしいけど、今のところは強い友情関係で終わりそうな気もする。それでも悪くないけど、もうちょっと何かあってほしいな。で、この女性が陽太の継母?それはわかったけど、小雲の反応は?父親のせい?小雲の両親は離婚してるのかな、だから陽太に共感できるんだろうね。普通くん
Frontier246
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A relationship takes more emotional investment than just treating it the same as a friendship. I feel like KoyukixYota can go either way. You can definitely spin it as building up to a relationship, and maybe Koyuki needs to overcome Yota's family situation along with her issues too, but at the same time she seemed to relate that comfort with her longing for her father and Yota is so comfortable could he ever bring her out of her shell? How would she ever lower her ramparts if she just dates someone who she never had them up for?
恋愛関係には友情以上の感情的な投資が必要だよな。小雪×陽太はどちらにも転べる関係だと思う。恋愛への発展と解釈することもできるし、小雪が陽太の家庭事情や自身の問題を乗り越える必要があるとも取れる。ただ同時に、彼女が父親への憧れとその安心感を重ねているようにも見える。陽太があまりに居心地良すぎると、逆に彼女が殻を破れるのか? 壁を感じたことがない相手と付き合って、どうやって城壁を下ろすんだろうな。考察くん
Remarkable-Solid5582
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This anime story telling is so good. They tell you a little bit of the past each episode and you have to little by little piece everything together. It's interesting how they are making yota seem like the perfect pairing for koyuki, but Minato keeps saying she'll suffer if she falls in love with him. I wonder what is it? that yota likes miki? he likes that mom character? he's internally too depressed after his mom's death and can't love anyone?
このアニメの語り方がめっちゃ上手いよね。毎回少しずつ過去を見せて、じわじわと全体像を組み立てていく感じが面白い。陽太が小雪にとって完璧な相手に見えるのに、湊が「彼と恋に落ちたら苦しむ」って言い続けてるのが気になる。陽太がミキのこと好きなのか?あの母親キャラが好きなのか?それとも母親の死後、内面が鬱すぎて誰も愛せないのか?普通くん
Magnafeana
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Minato is just like me fr fr. I think my camera reel is like 65% of my cats when they do funny poses. Yota looks like a baby chick following Koyun, oh my stars 😭😭 Short girl with the tall guy, look at that! It’d be nice to have tall queens with short kings once in a while 🥀 How did he take that big of a bite?! The moral of the story is to be considerate by telling people what you’re inviting them too! True! Thinking about nothing is hard. It is! But it genuinely surprises people when you have nothing going on upstairs. Awwww. I love guy-girl friendships so much!! Oh Netflix, are you kidding me with no text overlays? I wish CR had gotten this. Every episode, I’m so mad the care that was put into the chaos of Polar Opposites overlays even in the dubs (though quality varied, especially towards the end) was there . CR is very inconsistent with doing overlays for text messages, admittedly, but cmon, Netflix. Feel it for Miki girl. She’s struggle-bussing. I’m glad she wants to be a better friend to Koyun after the Igarashi Incident. But she’s still got blindspots. I liked digging into Minato and Yota today! It’s not a bad thing to talk more blasé about a loved one’s passing. But eyebrows shot up when Yota said “And now, they’re my real family” and his smile was more of a smirk. I’m worried for him 😕 The ED in the background should’ve been a dead give away something was about to happen. Really love Yota and Koyun’s friendship. I like when romances show men and women can have platonic intimacy with each other and the difference between that and romantic affections. Minato’s little photo shoot of his Slug!pompom makes me wanna take a dozen pictures of how crazy my cats are sleeping right now :3
湊くん、本当に俺と一緒だわ。俺のカメラロールも多分65%は猫の面白いポーズ写真で埋まってる。陽太が小雲の後ろをヒヨコみたいについてく姿、もう最高すぎる😭😭 背の低い女の子と高い男の子の組み合わせ、見てよ!たまには高身長の女王様と低身長の王様もいいよね🥀 あの一口の大きさ、どうやってやったんだ?!教訓は「何に誘うかちゃんと伝えて配慮しよう」ってことだな。確かに。何も考えないって難しい。本当にそう。でも頭の中が空っぽだと人を驚かせるんだよな。ああもう。男女の友情って本当にいい!Netflix、まさか文字オーバーレイなしって冗談でしょ?CRがこれを獲得してれば良かったのに。毎回、『 Polar Opposites 』のオーバーレイに込められた丁寧さ(特に終盤はクオリティにばらつきがあったけど)を思い出すたびに腹が立つ。CRも確かにテキストメッセージのオーバーレイは一貫性がないけど、でもNetflix、頼むよ。ミキの気持ち、わかるよ。彼女は苦労してる。五十嵐事件の後、小雲にもっと良い友達になりたいと思ってるのは嬉しいけど、まだ盲点があるんだよな。今日は湊と陽太の掘り下げが良かった!愛する人の死を軽く話すのは悪いことじゃない。でも陽太が「今は本当の家族だ」と言った時、笑顔がどちらか考察くん
JustSuffering0102
Lovely complex is a classic shoujo about tall girl and short guy if you intrested.
Lovely Complexって背の高い女の子とチビの男の子のラブコメやで。名作やから興味あるなら見てみ?2ちゃん
Magnafeana
I am! And I saw it got quite a late dub as well? Or maybe I’m misunderstanding and it had a dub but got a remastered version? I will put this on my little anime series schedule. One episode per day!
やばっ!私も見てるんだけど、このアニメって結構遅れて吹き替え版が出たんじゃない?それとも元々吹き替えあったけどリマスター版が出たってこと?とりあえず私のアニメリストに入れたよ!1日1話ペースで見るわ〜!ギャル
Maleficent-Box-2824
Read Yeonwoo Innocence’s if you want a short guy with a tall girl, its a good manwha/webtoon
「背の低い男×背の高い女」が見たいなら『ヨンウの無邪気』読んでみ、いい作品だよ普通くん
Magnafeana
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I’ve read it (haven’t gotten to the spin off though)! It’s so cute and heavy! A Spell for Smith > is a witch x dwarf comic on Webtoons though the FL is, I think, a normal sized woman and the ML is normal sized for a dwarf (but dwarfs be shorter than most adult humans). And there’s Morgana and Oz > (YA, witch x vampire, paranormal, queer). But I need more tall queen/short king in romance anime, dammit! The { Lovely Complex } reco, so I’m gonna watch it. But any day now, tall queen/short king will have dozens of anime around it! Dozens!
読んだよ(スピンオフはまだだけど)!めっちゃ可愛いし重い話だよな。『A Spell for Smith』はWebtoonsの魔女×ドワーフの漫画で、主人公の女性は普通サイズ、男性はドワーフとしては標準(でもドワーフは人間より背が低い)。『Morgana and Oz』(YA、魔女×吸血鬼、オカルト、クィア)もある。でも俺は高身長ヒロイン×低身長ヒーローのロマンスアニメがもっと欲しいんだよ!『ラブ★コン』の推奨はありがたいから観るつもり。いずれこのジャンルが何十本もアニメ化される時代が来るはずだ!絶対に!考察くん
thisisdropd
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Yota and I are polar opposites. Another title drop! That made it two weeks in a row. If Yota’s the sun, then Koyuki’s the moon. Pretty funny to see Minato getting jealous over Yota & Koyuki getting close. It’s not as if Minato’s being left out by them – Yota did invite him to the burger shop although he should’ve told where he’s going. Minato shouldn’t be that worried, for Yota got dadzoned. When I saw the redhead, I thought it’s his sister or his ex who parted amiably. Never would I thought she was his (step)mum. She looked only a couple years older than him.
陽太とワイは真逆やな。またタイトル回収!これで2週連続や。陽太が太陽なら小雪は月ってか。湊が陽太と小雪の接近に嫉妬してんの草生えるわ。別に湊がハブられてるわけやなくて、陽太が行き先言わずに誘ったのが悪いんやけどな。でも陽太はガチで息子ポジションやから湊も安心しとけよ。赤毛の女見たときは姉か別れた元カノかと思ったわ。まさか義理の母親とは思わんやん。陽太より数歳上にしか見えへんし。2ちゃん
Frontier246
Honestly that stepmom/Yota acted so weird around each other...I'm not sure if it's just because of the lack of an age gap or if there's something more there because there isn't so much of an age gap. Like it felt like it was framed like a "getting caught by the ex" moment.
あの継母と陽太の距離感、確かに妙だったよな。年齢差がほとんどないから余計に気になるんだが、あの演出は明らかに「元カノにバレた瞬間」の構図と重なる。制作陣が意図的にそう見せているとすれば、単なる気まずさ以上の伏線として読める。年齢差の少なさが逆に親子関係の歪みを強調している可能性も考察できる。考察くん
CitronClassic672
I honestly can’t even begin to comprehend how weird a family dynamic would be if your mom died when you were in elementary school and your dad remarried a woman who seems to be not that much older than you. Like she’d technically be your new mom but in many ways seem more like a sister.
マジで草生えるわこれ。小学生の時に母親死んで、父親が自分とそんな歳変わらん女と再婚したら家族の関係性ヤバすぎやろ。形式上は新しい母親だけど、実際は姉みたいなもんやん。ワイには耐えられへんわwww2ちゃん
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
Middle of episode: Yota is such a chill guy, not a single thought in his head. End of episode: Oh. No wonder Minato kept saying that Koyun shouldn't date Yota, I thought he was just jealous but he probably knows that Yota has some unresolved family issues.
エピソード中盤:陽太ってほんと何も考えてなさそうでいい奴だなって思ってたけど、終盤でなるほどなって。湊が「小春は陽太と付き合うな」って言い続けてたの、嫉妬かと思ってたけど、陽太の家庭の問題を知ってたからなんだろうな。普通くん
Ok-Cod5254
原文
Finally, some Yota content! My best boy. Glad to be getting more insight into him as an individual. I like the dynamic Yota and Koyuki have, to be the type of person that can put her at ease even as just a friend. Though of course behind that smile of his it seems he also has his own personal problems from his past and some baggage he is trying to detach from. He's giving me a bit of Sousuke Shima vibes from Skip and Loafer.
やっと陽太の話キター!ワイの推しやで。個人としての掘り下げが来て嬉しいわ。陽太とこゆきの関係性ええやん、ただの友達でも彼女を安心させられるタイプってのがな。でもあの笑顔の裏に過去のトラブルとか背負ってそうで気になるンゴ。ちょっとスキップとローファーの志摩くん感あるわ。2ちゃん
VancityGaming
Yeah, he seems like he's really what Koyun needs to me. Have a bad feeling he's going to be the Rem of the show though where I end up cursing the MC by the season's end.
やばくね!?彼、小雲にめっちゃ必要な存在だと思うんだよね〜!でもなんかこのままいくと、シーズン終わりには主人公のこと呪いたくなっちゃうパターンのレム枠になりそうで怖いんだけど笑ギャル
Ok-Cod5254
I'm flexible with whatever the series does and interested to see how they can get more of the audience on board with the set up.
どんな展開になっても俺は柔軟に受け入れるし、どうやって観客をもっとこの設定に引き込むのかマジで気になるッ!感情くん
ClemFire
Oh really to me Yota and Koyun feel like more of a friend dynamic while Minato and Koyun feel like endgame. In this episode they make it a point to show Minato has never really developed intense feelings for someone until meeting Koyun while Yota instead basically daughter zones Koyun and I think she sees him as someone safe like her dad
確かに、俺もヨウタとコユキの関係はどちらかというと友情寄りで、ミナトとコユキが最終的にくっつく展開だと考察している。今回のエピソードでは、ミナトがコユキに出会うまで誰かに強い恋愛感情を抱いたことがなかったと強調されているのに対し、ヨウタはコユキを娘のように扱っている。コユキもヨウタを父親のように安心できる存在と見ていると思われる。考察くん
FarCritical
It's fun how Koyun and art club girl started off with the icy glare of judgement but ended with them becoming solid acquaintances anyway. Always loved the intensity from the pre-ED melody ramping up but the goosebumps this time were something else. Guess it just comes with finding out even the chill giraffe has his own luggage too.
小雲と美術部の女の子が最初は冷たい目で見合ってたのに、最終的にちゃんとした知り合いになったの面白いよね。ED前のメロディーが盛り上がる感じはいつも好きだけど、今回は特に鳥肌立ったわ。まさかあのクールなキリンにも荷物があるって知るとそうなるんだな。普通くん
Farmaceut7
原文
This episode made me like Minato a lot more, he is crushing so fucking hard! Its so entertaining to watch, to the point that I considered maybe shipping him and Koyun but then we switch to any Koyun x Yota interaction and I turn into S Tier shiptrash just like Miki! Another easy 10/10 episode, cant wait to learn more about Yota's family situation! Seems like his father re-married after mom died and he now has a young step-mom + 2 step-siblings.
今回の話でミナトにめっちゃ好感持ったわ、ガチで恋に落ちてて草www見てて面白すぎるンゴ。コユン×ミナトもアリかと思ったけど、コユン×ヨタの絡み見たらミキみたいにワイもS級カップル厨になるわ。今回も文句なしの10/10や。ヨタの家族事情もっと知りてぇな。父親が母親死んだ後に再婚して、若い継母と義理の兄弟2人できたっぽいな。2ちゃん
Frontier246
Imagine if KoyunxYota sails after overcoming his family drama and Miki picks up all the pieces left of Minato lol. That stepmom reacted to him...really weird by stepmom standards.
コユン×ヨタが家族ゴタゴタ乗り越えてくっついて、ミキがミナトの残骸拾う展開きたら最高すぎるッ!あの継母の反応、義母基準で見るとめっちゃ変だよな無理。感情くん
Throwaway785320
There's some sneaky mways they used color tone changes/shift to convey character emotions this episode
この話、色味の変化でキャラの感情表現するのズルすぎじゃない!?やばくね、あの演出まじ天才だわ〜ギャル
HolyDragSwd2500
Red light when Yota Stepmom appeared
喜多川のお母さんが出てきた時の赤い光やばかったな普通くん
InformationOk3960
Koyun imprinting on Yota like a baby duckling ever since the giraffe incident But I’m with burger manager dude! They do look good together!
やばくね!?キリンの事件以来、コユンがヨタにひよこの刷り込みみたいにベッタリなんだけど笑 でもバーガー店長の意見に同意!この2人、めっちゃお似合いじゃん!ギャル
Frontier246
Ending kind of puts a new context on it that she's just running to hang out with dad lol.
エンディングで見方が変わったな。ただお父さんと遊びに行くだけだったってオチかよ笑普通くん
Adensty
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Emotions. The more you let it show, the more it gets used against you. Not exactly the same as the Rampart of Ice that Koyun has around her but even Minato has kinda built around himself that makes him suppress his emotions. I thought Koyun was the only one but I can see a bit of myself in Minato as well. It's not like I want to suppress my emotions but I guess I'm kinda weary about sharing everything because I don't know how it might be used against me. But now that's he falling for Koyun, every mention or anything related to her and Yota is evoking strong reactions from him. Even Yota was surprised. Some of his reactions really made me chuckle this episode, lol. When making plans, it's considerate to let people know what you're inviting them to. Also, I agree about this because sometimes knowing what it is can change whether you're willing to go there or not. The whole library segment with Shimojima kinda reminded me of Nishi-san and how she got introduced in Polar Opposites. Always love whenever we get to shades of this in Polar Opposites. Minato here is thinking that Koyun has crush on Yota but things seem different. A part of the reason why she likes Yota's presence is because he reminds her of her dad. It's kinda small but the whole direction with the traffic light really stood out to me when Yota was stopped by his step-mother. He was walking and the light was green. Then the light turned yelllow and soon her mother called out to him and as soon he stopped, it turned Red. And after their whole conversation, it became green again. And after the ending, I think the red light might have been an indicator about his family. I wonder how my dad is doing. Also, I noticed Koyun said this so maybe her parents got separated and she's living with her mother and that explains why she reacted the way she did when Yota told her about what the whole thing with his step-mother. Well Yota said he likes to absent-mindedly gaze and doesn't think about anything. I wonder if it's kinda his way of coping with whatever happened in his family. This was a relatively chill episode until the cliffhanger and I have noticed the piano prelude just before the ED always manages to really set the tone for it and it always manages to go hard.
感情って、出せば出すほど利用されるものだよな。紅雪の氷の城壁とはまた違うけど、湊も自分に感情を抑え込む壁を作ってる気がする。紅雪だけかと思ってたけど、湊にも自分を重ねられる部分がある。感情を抑えたいわけじゃないけど、何を共有したらどう利用されるか分からなくて、全部さらけ出すのが怖いんだ。でも彼が紅雪に惹かれてから、彼女や陽太に関することに強く反応するようになった。陽太も驚いてたけど、今回の彼の反応は何度も笑わせてもらったよ。 計画を立てる時は、何に誘ってるか相手に伝えるのが思いやりだよな。内容次第で行く気が変わることもあるし、同意する。下島との図書館パートは「正反対な君と僕」の西さんが初登場した時を思い出させた。あの作品でこういうニュアンスが出るのはいつも好きだ。 湊は紅雪が陽太に片思いしてると思ってるけど、実際は違うみたいだ。彼女が陽太の存在を好む理由の一つは、彼が父親を思い出させるから。信号機の演出が小さな点だけど印象的で、陽太が継母に呼び止められた時、青信号で歩いてて、黄色に変わった瞬間に母親が声をかけ、止まったら赤に変わった。会話が終わるとまた青に。エンディング後を考えると、赤信号は彼の家族に関する暗示だったのかも。自分の父はどうしてるかな。 紅雪が「両親は離婚してて、母と暮らして考察くん
SBAFSAF
For some reason, it seemed to me that Koyun might know something about the accident. Mostly because of the way her face looked right when Yota mentioned it.
わかるッ!小雲、事故のこと何か知ってそうだよね。陽太が言及した瞬間の彼女の顔がガチでやばかったんだよな…!感情くん
ClemFire
原文
Not exactly the same as the Rampart of Ice that Koyun has around her but even Minato has kinda built around himself that makes him suppress his emotions. I thought Koyun was the only one but I can see a bit of myself in Minato as well. It's not like I want to suppress my emotions but I guess I'm kinda weary about sharing everything because I don't know how it might be used against me. I'm kinda wondering how if even though Minato says the reason he suppress his emotions is because he doesn't want to get hurt or it's tied to a deeper self-esteem issue and he feels like he doesn't deserve to be loved because he dislikes himself. That's why he is liked by many but truly known by none.
コユンが持ってる「氷の城壁」とはちょっと違うけど、ミナトも自分の中に壁を作って感情を抑えてるんだなって思った。コユンだけかと思ってたけど、自分にも少し重なる部分があるよ。別に感情を抑えたいわけじゃないけど、何か共有するとどう使われるかわからないから、なんとなく慎重になってしまうんだよね。ミナトが感情を抑える理由が、単に傷つきたくないからなのか、それとももっと根深い自己肯定感の問題で、自分を嫌ってて愛される価値がないと思ってるからなのか気になる。だから彼は多くの人に好かれるけど、本当に知られることはないんだろうな。普通くん
ptd163
原文
Resistance is futile Minato. You've caught feelings. A girl has finally pierced your defences. It's time to deal with it. First that curse that his friend put on him about catching feelings for someone that doesn't like you back (yet) paid off much faster than he thought it would then he sees Koyun with Yota. It's not been a good day for Mr. I Can Control My Emotions. Miki is a great friend. Always looking out for her and being a shipper on deck. Also phrasing Koyun! Please! This isn't that kind of show. I think I've heard that somewhere before. It sounds so familiar lol. It might seem selfish that Minato for to say if Koyun falls in love with Yota it will end badly because he's caught feelings for her, but he's really observant. He knows that Yota likes Miki and doesn't see Koyun that way. Also that scene at the end with Yota's step mom shows that Yota isn't as chill and uncomplicated as we though. I wonder how those things are going to affect Miki's willingness to ship Koyun x Yota when she finds out. Side note, Shimojima is literally just Emilia. Like the exact same voice.
抵抗は無意味だ、湊。君は恋に落ちた。ついに一人の少女が君の防御を貫いた。もう向き合う時だ。まず、友人からかけられた「自分に気がない相手に恋をする」という呪いが、思ったより早く効いた。その後、小雲が陽太と一緒にいるのを見てしまう。感情をコントロールできる男にとって、今日は散々な日だ。三木は本当に良い友達。いつも小雲を気にかけていて、全力で推している。それから小雲の言い回し!頼むよ!この作品はそういう方向じゃない。どこかで聞いたことあるセリフだな…すごく既視感がある(笑)。湊が「小雲が陽太を好きになったら悪い結果になる」と言ったのは、自分が彼女に恋してるからで一見自己中心的に見えるが、彼は本当に観察力が鋭い。陽太が三木を好きで、小雲を恋愛対象として見ていないことをちゃんと理解している。そして最後の陽太の義母とのシーンは、陽太が思ったほどクールで単純なキャラじゃないことを示している。これらの要素が、三木が小雲×陽太を推す気持ちにどう影響するか気になる。余談だが、下島の声はまさにエミリア。完全に同じ声だ。考察くん
SYZekrom
I want to be that dog that turns into a cloud
雲になる犬になりたいな普通くん
chhuang
so any pomeranian? aka barking cloud
ポメラニアンいる?つまり吠える雲のことだよねッ!可愛すぎるだろそれw感情くん
smart_is_cool1020
Yota getting dadzoned and then the last couple of mins of the episode , this show nvr fails to maintain the ambiguity and the suspense especially with that ed building up. Tbh Yota’s backstory is the most wanted backstory for me since Minato mentioned Yota is not the right person for koyun in early episodes. Can’t wait for the next episode😭
陽太が父親扱いされて、その後のラスト数分…この作品はいつも曖昧さとサスペンスを絶妙に保ってるよ。特にEDの盛り上がり方がやばい。正直、陽太の過去編は湊が初期に「陽太は小絃に合わない」って言ってた時から一番気になってたんだ。次回が待ちきれない😭普通くん
yawnman240
Loved the ED music buildup pausing in reaction to the scene, its basically a character at this point.
EDの音楽の盛り上がりがシーンに合わせて止まる演出、マジで天才すぎるッ!もうあの音楽自体がキャラクターだよ、無理、優勝。感情くん
VancityGaming
The ED music timing every episode has been gold. I get so hyped up when I start to hear it.
毎回のEDの入り方、神がかってるよね。聴こえてきただけでテンション上がるわ。普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
原文
I've been waiting for a Youta focused episode since he's the main character we least know about, and watching the episode made me curious about him. I liked seeing Koyuki's feelings develop for him in such a natural way, but it stood out to me when she claimed that he seems to be peaceful and doesn't have many thoughts like she does, which to me seems like the opposite.  It feels like Youta actually has a lot and that is why he needs moments of peace where he can think about nothing, the question is what isn't giving him peace? Minato once again mentions how he wishes Koyuki doesn't develop feelings for Youta because she'll get hurt, and we're introduced to his stepmother at the end of the episode. I think Youta's story is going to be about how much he is overloaded by the burden of his family, maybe feeling like an outsider, or if I'm not overthinking things, he might have liked his step mother before she became his step mother and it never went away?  I like how Minato's friends are hoping he falls in love with someone who gives him the biggest heartbreak, they don't have to worry, the feelings he's developing for Koyuki are proving to already be more than he can handle lol.
ヨウタ回待ってたわ、一番知らんメインキャラやしな。見てたら興味湧いてきたわ。小雪が自然にヨウタに惹かれてく描写は良かったンゴ。でも小雪が「ヨウタは穏やかであまり考え込まない」って言うのは逆やと思うわ。ヨウタはむしろ色々考えすぎてるから、無になれる瞬間が必要なんやろ。問題は何が彼を悩ませてるかやな。 港がまた「小雪がヨウタに惹かれると傷つく」って言ってたし、ラストで継母も出てきたしな。ヨウタの話は家族の重圧に押し潰されそうになる話やと思うわ。もしかしたら継母に元々恋してたとか?考えすぎかもしらんけど。 港の友達が「一番酷い失恋させてくれる相手と恋しろ」って願ってるの草。心配無用やで、もう小雪への感情だけで手に負えなくなってるしなwww2ちゃん
zool714
原文
Nagase Anna is doing a great job, but can’t help but feel Koyun is so Tanezaki Atsumi-coded lol Must be rough for Minato. He’s at that ambiguous stage where you’re not sure if you like someone as a person or is it something special. Not to mention, from what his friends have said, this could be the first time he actually likes someone. And to add to that confusion and uncertainty, he keeps seeing her and Yota together and is probably his first experience with jealousy. I guessed Miki had a hand in Koyun and Igarashi. But I thought she suggested it to stop the bullying. But it’s a bit more reactive. She sort of guilt trip her into it cos of her own break up. Personally, I’ve never had anyone like me (🥲) so it’s a foreign concept to me to get with someone that likes me but I don’t like them. Seems there’s some pain behind Yota’s chill vibes as well. And I wonder what Minato meant when he said Koyun would only get hurt if she gets involved with him. Also, I know he can be overbearing, but Minato has been left out a lot since the three of them became a group. Of course, he’s not entitled to be in that group but I can also understand how hurt it must feel
永瀬アンナはいい演技してるけど、小絢ってどうしても種崎敦美っぽいんだよな笑。湊は大変そうだよな。人として好きなのか特別なのかわからない曖昧な段階にいるし、友達の話からすると、多分初めて誰かを好きになったんだろうね。そこに混乱と不安が加わって、小絢と陽太が一緒にいるのを見て嫉妬を経験するのも初めてだろうし。ミキが小絢と五十嵐をくっつけたのはいじめを止めるためだと思ってたけど、ちょっと反応的だな。自分の失恋を理由に罪悪感で無理やり付き合わせてる感じ。個人的に誰かに好かれたことないから(🥲)、好きでもない相手と付き合うのは未知の世界だよ。陽太のクールな雰囲気の裏にも何か痛みがありそうだし、湊が「小絢は俺と関わると傷つくだけ」って言った意味も気になる。それに、彼が過保護なのはわかるけど、3人グループになってから湊はよく置いてけぼりにされてる。グループに入る権利があるわけじゃないけど、その傷つきも理解できるな。普通くん
gnome-cop
原文
I appreciate the bits on whatever went down with Igarashi and the characterization details for Koyuki and Miki. This is rich coming from me, the world’s most shameless shipper who actually agrees with Miki that they look good together, but calm down there with the shipping girl. I’m being unnecessarily mean about this but I am enjoying the universe conspiring to make Minato lose the war against his own thoughts. Not in a “dislike” way but in a “it’s just very entertaining” way. His buddies sure are getting what they wished for. The red light effect is making me feel a bit concerned about Yota and his family deal.
五十嵐の話も、こゆきとミキのキャラ描写も良かったわ。ワイは世界一の恥知らずな腐女子で、ミキの「二人はお似合い」って意見に同意するんやけど、ちょっと落ち着けやカップリング厨。ワイも言い過ぎかもしれんけど、湊が自分の思考に負ける様を宇宙が後押ししてるの見てるのがただただ面白いンゴwww 嫌いとかじゃなくてエンタメとしてな。仲間たちは願いが叶ってるし。赤い照明の演出がヨタと家族の件についてちょっと不安にさせるわ。2ちゃん
JJVM99
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Yeah Miki messed up badly in middle school. She didn’t have bad intentions and came from her own frustration but that was the wrong thing to say at the time. The akward thing is that she should apologize but Kohyun is happy with Miki so while she still has the trauma of that experience bringing it up again to apologize for it may do more harm than good. I am now going to be trying to get my family’s pomeranian to pose like Potta to make an irl equivalent of that photo. She is the laziest animal in history so it should be easy in theory. This episode had so much Yota x Kohyun that it got full on that train. So many cute moments and some of them like Kohyun telling Yota your puffy and him responding your fluffy is just flirting in my eyes. The end of the episode had me concerned due to the change of tone with the family moment (who I was concerned was hist girlfriend and not his mom) and due to Minato’s comment in the restaurant while glooming about how Yota and Kohyun together would end up poorly which I hope is just him being salty than something going wrong. Yota is the one person around Kohyun (alongside this new library girl) who she doesn’t have any baggage or drama around and can just enjoy herself. I will also say I don’t think the story will go with Yota x Kohyun and will end up with Minato x Kohyun instead because of how everything has been building up. Also for conspiracy level when Kohyun said Yota and her are polar opposites made me think it won’t happen and that the author made you and i are polar opposites after ramparts of ice to have a story that has a couple of polar opposites together.
中学のとき、美樹は確かにやらかしたよな。悪意があったわけじゃなくて自分のフラストレーションから出たことだけど、あのタイミングで言う言葉じゃなかった。気まずいのは、謝るべきだけどコヒュンが今は美樹と仲良くやってて、彼女がまだその経験にトラウマを抱えてる中で蒸し返すのはかえって悪影響かもしれないってとこだな。 うちのポメラニアンをポッタみたいにポーズさせてあの写真の実物版を作ろうとしてるんだけど、史上最も怠惰な動物だから理論上は簡単そう。このエピソードはヨタ×コヒュン要素が満載で完全にその路線だったわ。可愛いシーンが多くて、コヒュンが「ふわふわだね」って言ってヨタが「君もふわふわだよ」って返すのはもう立派なイチャイチャだろ。 終盤は家族とのシーンの雰囲気変わって心配になった(最初彼女かと思ったら母親で良かった)し、湊がレストランで「ヨタとコヒュンが一緒になったら上手くいかない」って愚痴ってたのも、ただのヤキモチであってほしいな。ヨタはコヒュンにとって、図書館の子と並んで何のわだかまりもなく楽しめる唯一の存在だと思う。 でも個人的には、ヨタ×コヒュンではなく湊×コヒュンで終わる気がする。伏線的にそう感じる。あと陰謀論レベルだけど、コヒュンが「ヨタとは正反対」って言った時点で、作者が『普通くん
FetchFrosh
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Nedstark78
The way he was over his mom dying and showed no sadness. And koyune seemed upset about something he said course could be cause episodes ending.Minato knows Yuta well and Miki . Seeing this says he actually might be nicer then Yota cause he don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
彼が母親の死を引きずってなくて悲しみも見せなかったのが気になるな。小弓は何か彼の言葉に傷ついてたみたいだけど、これがエピソード終盤の展開なのかも。湊は勇太や美希のことをよく分かってるんだな。これ見ると、実は湊の方が人の気持ちを傷つけたくないって点で優しいのかもね。普通くん
tripleaamin
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The words Miki used for Koyun about Igarashi were definitely poor. It basically influenced her not to think of her own feelings for Igarashi. I doubt Koyun will ever hold that against Miki, though. I got to feel bad for Minato since nobody likes feeling left out. It's clear that Koyun is affecting him differently than the other girls he has been with. I guess, on one hand, she is giving him more of a chase. Though perhaps it is a friendship where he is the one who has to take initiative compared to the others potentially. Still, his words are interesting: if Koyun fell for Youta, will she end up getting hurt? What does that mean? It can't be as simple as Youta only has eyes for Miki considering how the episode ended. I guess we can infer that Koyun can empathize with losing a parent, potentially maybe. On a more positive spin for this episode, we are introduced to Tsukiko Shimojima. At a glance she seems similar to Nishi from Polar Opposites but is definitely not as passive and shy as Nishi. I think there is good potential in a new friendship for Koyun, so hopefully that is what happens.
美希が小鳩に向かって五十嵐のこと言ったのはガチで酷かったな。それで自分の気持ち考えるの邪魔された感じやん。でも小鳩は美希のこと恨まないと思うけどな。湊は仲間外れにされた気分で可哀想やわ。小鳩が今までの女の子と違う影響与えてるのは明らかやな。追いかけられる側って感じか。でも湊が主導権握らなきゃいけない友情かもしれん。それより湊の「小鳩が陽太に惚れたら傷つくのか」って意味深すぎやろ。陽太が美希一筋って単純な話じゃなさそうやしな。小鳩も親亡くした共感できるのかもな。プラス要素としては下島塁子が登場したことやな。一見『正反対の君と僕』の西に似てるけど、あそこまで消極的で内気じゃない。小鳩の新しい友情に期待やで。2ちゃん
Unique_Post_5199
I thought minato was stoic but yota is a different breed i didn't see any emotion on his face the entire series whatsoever. Minato's REACTIONS wEre PRICELESS!!!.
確かに!ミナトもクールだけどヨタは別格すぎるッ!全シリーズ通してマジで表情変わらなさすぎて草。でもミナトのリアクションは神だったわ!価値ありすぎる!感情くん
Zeallfnonex
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So, looks like last episode was the end of an arc (mini-arc?) and we're beginning a new one where Minato is falling in love with Koyun despite his intentions, Miki might be falling back into being too nosy, and Koyun seems to maybe be catching (fatherly?) feels for Youta. More past stuff with Miki explaining what she meant a bit by the middle school stuff being her fault: she may have spurred Koyun on with an ill-judged remark. Interestingly, we now have a bit of a timeline: Koyun was bullied before dating Igurashi, Igurashi liked her, Koyun did not like him. There's still a blank to where this changed to Igurashi acting against Koyun (probably the belittling of her likes that was shown... two or three episodes ago?), not sure if it's been hinted yet exactly what caused the swap between crush and dating to complete fear-or-shame-inducing crashing and burning. Interesting stuff around Minato and his friends at the beginning - while outwardly he's emotional and seems very genki, his friends know that he treats everyone the same. He treats no one specially, has never treated any one specially, and therefore can't really ever have fallen for anyone. No wonder none of his relationships stick: everyone in a relationship hopes to be the one the other treats differently and specially, above everyone else, and it seems like that's been anathema to him for his other relationships. But ahahahaha the realizing you may be catching the feels for someone in highschool. That's... too relatable. Seeing them or someone that looks like them and your heart jumps and then you wonder why your heart jumped and then... yeah, faceplant on the couch seems about right. New named person! Artist forced librarian, looks like we're going to expand our cast at least slightly outside of these four. Pretty good way to show what outsiders think of Koyun, they think she's just... aloof and maybe a bit cold and condescending and never really gave her a chance so far? Or maybe she shut them down early? And lots of Koyun/Youta scenes, though notably none from Youta's POV. Koyun appreciates that she can feel at ease around him, which is probably one of the greatest things for an introvert to find: a person that doesn't take a lot of energy to be around because of no expectations or a similar aura/energy/whatever. Also to make Minato a little bit envious... Props to him for not actually acting on any of it, though having been there, it stings a bit. The ending scene is... interesting. Not sure what to make of it. First we have some indications that Koyun's parents are at the least estranged, I don't think we know more than that now, but both alive. Probably. And that she's not bitter against her dad, probably, despite him not being around. Wonder if she resents her mother then? Secondly we have some further info on Youta and a bit on Minato. For some reason, he thinks anyone falling in love with Youta is in for some pain, though it's not obvious why. It could sound a bit like jealousy, but the way that it's framed with the red light surrounding Youta in the next scene, I think we're going to find out a bit of Youta's own problems. He seems... emotionally distant and yet charged by the sight of his stepmother? There's definitely something with him and his interactions with his family that's worrisome to Minato at the least. I forget, didn't Minato invite Youta to eat dinner with his family in the first or second episode or was it vice versa? Either way, though I may be missing the reason, Koyun seems... freaked out by it. I dunno why. Interesting setup, still a lot of hooks going on, curious to know where this is gonna go next.
前回でミニアーク終わったっぽいな。新章突入で湊が小雲に恋し始めてるし、ミキはまたお節介炸裂させそうやわ。小雲は陽太に父親的な感情抱きかけてるっぽい? 中3の話はミキの不用意な一言が原因だったのか。小雲の過去タイムラインも判明したンゴねぇ…イグラシに好かれてたけど小雲は好きじゃなかった、そこからどうしてイグラシが小雲を貶す展開になったのかはまだ不明。 湊の友達曰く「誰も特別扱いしない」のが湊の恋愛が続かない理由やろな。でも高校生で恋自覚するのガチで共感できるわ…顔面ダイブしたくなる気持ち分かりすぎるンゴwww 新キャラの司書先生登場!小雲が周りからどう見られてるかも分かったし、陽太との関係性も深まってきたな。小雲にとって陽太は「気を使わなくていい存在」で、引きこもりには神みたいな存在やろ。 ラストシーン意味深すぎるやろ…小雲の親は離婚?それとも父親が不在なだけ?陽太に恋したら痛い目見るって湊が言う理由も謎やし、継母見て感情揺れる陽太にも何かありそう。小雲がその話で引いてたのも気になるわ。続き待ち遠しいンゴねぇ…2ちゃん
AmethystItalian
HEY SAME MAN! HEY SAME GIRL! I feel like this ship isn't happening but I really want it. Really curious what the deal is with Yota...he feels too great so there should be something they're hiding that Minato is hinting at. Maybe emotionally distant ever since his mom passed? He deserves to be happy!
確かに同意だ。このカップリングは現実的じゃないかもしれないが、俺も推したい。ヨウタのキャラクターについては深く考察する価値がある。彼があまりにも完璧すぎるからこそ、ミナトが示唆しているように何か隠された設定があると思われる。母親を亡くしてから感情的に距離を置いているという伏線かもしれない。彼には幸せになる権利があるはずだ。考察くん
Frontier246
Maybe he acts so peaceful and carefree because he's been emotionally detaching himself to some degree from anything so he doesn't rock the boat or upsets anyone.
あのキャラ、めっちゃ平和そうに見えるけど実は無意識に感情抑え込んでるだけやろ 波風立てんように自分を殺してる感じがするわ そういうタイプ、現実にもおるンゴねぇ…2ちゃん
Ok-Cod5254
Lowkey diabolical to have two characters in universe (including the one that is most likely ending up with Yota in the long run), promote this ship that very likely isn't happening. lol
確かに同じ世界観のキャラ(しかも最終的にヨタとくっつきそうな方)を二人も出して、おそらく実現しないカップリングを推すのはちょっと酷くない?笑普通くん
InformationOk3960
Man I really wish they’d release the OST already. The stairway scene BGM was really nice.
OSTまだ出してくれへんかなあ。階段シーンのBGMガチで良かったンゴねぇ。2ちゃん
cleaulem
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Minato is unable to read the room again and is shipping Koyuki and Yota with each other. As an outsider you could get that impression just like Miki's manager. But of course we know that Koyuki sees Youta only as a friend she can be comfortable with. And I don't see any romantic vibes from him either. When Koyuki thought how nice it must be to be able to just zone out, I related so hard with her. I'm the same, always having a million thoughts in my head, unable to shut them off. Spacing out means to me that my thoughts start spiraling uncontrolled, and it can be very tiring.
湊また空気読めてなくてコユキとヨウタをくっつけようとしてるね。ミキのマネージャーみたいに外から見たらそう思うのもわかるけど、もちろんコユキはヨウタを気楽に話せる友達としてしか見てないし、彼の方からも恋愛感情は感じないな。コユキが「ボーッとできたらいいのに」って思ったシーン、めっちゃ共感した。俺も頭の中に無限に考えが浮かんで止められないタイプで、ボーッとするってむしろ思考が暴走し始めることで、すごく疲れるんだよね。普通くん
thatonefatefan
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>"I sure wish Yota was a bit more developed" and then the insane rollercoaster lmao. But I still have a hard time believing this is what Minato meant. He's also in love with Miki, right? I'm glad the episode went into Yota and Koyun's relationship but I can't help but see it as setup for Minato's feelings. I love ramparts of ice, it's probably my anime of the year, but it kind of hurts to know that my ships are doomed because I love it so much.
「陽太にもっと掘り下げがあればよかったのに」って意見には同意だよな、まさにジェットコースターみたいな展開だったしな(笑)。でも、これが湊の言ってたことだとはまだ信じがたい。彼も美紀に恋してるんだよな?陽太と小弓の関係に焦点を当てた今回のエピソードは良かったけど、どうしても湊の感情の布石に見えてしまう。『氷の城壁』は今年のアニメで一番好きかもしれないけど、推しカプが破局しそうで心が痛むよ。考察くん
Ok-Cod5254
It's like last episode it seemed like it would be full steam ahead with Minato and Koyuki, then the next episode they still give some people enough fuel and characters in universe to be tempted to ship Koyuki and Yota. Stop playing with the poor people's hearts. lol
前回のエピソードでは湊と小雪が一気に進むかと思ったのに、次の話ではまた小雪と陽太をくっつけたくなるような要素を出してくるんだもんな。ファンの心を弄ぶのはやめてくれよwww普通くん
thatonefatefan
It's genuine torture. I love Minato and Miki together sm but at the same time I just KNOW there's no way and now the anime gets to throw me a bone anyway like that? It's not fair.
まじで拷問すぎるんだけど!!湊と美紀のカップリング大好きなのに、絶対無理ってわかってんのよ。なのにアニメがこんな風に希望のカケラを投げてくるなんてさ…ずるすぎじゃね?笑ギャル
2kenzhe
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I get it Miki this ship is very shippable. Super chill episode. I really do quite like Yota ngl if I was Koyuki and were to choose a guy right now it would probably be Yota. Also, polar opposites line drop. I think with how things set up Minato probably end game but I really do like Yota. He vibes with Koyuki very well ngl as well. It seems though Minato thinks if she falls for Yota she's only going to get hurt though. What's wrong with Yota? nothing really himself it seems? though home situation might be off? His mom is dead RIP and we just saw his step mom? Still even if some more might be off cuz of family he himself seems fine? Is he really though I guess cuz we haven't really seen the inside of his head right? Nice to see jealous Minato though lol. He really just had to see them together looking at the sky in fact Koyuki looking more at Yota lol. Also so Yota makes Koyuki think of her dad huh? Yota might be someone she can be comfortable around but maybe not romantic? Also so damn that's why Miki thinks it's her fault Koyuki went out with Igrashi? Still why doesn't he remember Koyuki? or at least doesn't remember her last name?
ミキの言う通り、このカップリングは確かに推せる。めちゃくちゃまったりした回だったな。俺もヨウタは結構好きだよ。もしコユキの立場で今誰かを選べと言われたら、多分ヨウタを選ぶ。そして、正反対の存在というセリフが効いてる。現状の伏線からするとミナトが最終的な相手になりそうだけど、俺はヨウタもかなり良いと思う。彼はコユキと本当に波長が合ってる。ただ、ミナトはコユキがヨウタに惹かれたら傷つくだけだと考えているように見える。ヨウタに何か問題があるのか? 本人には特に何もなさそうだが、家庭環境が少し複雑かもしれない。母親は亡くなっていて、今出てきたのは義理の母か? それでも家族に何かあっても本人は問題なさそうに見える。本当にそうなのか? まだ彼の内面はあまり見えていないからな。嫉妬するミナトが見られたのは面白かった。彼が二人が空を見ているのを目撃して、実際コユキはヨウタの方を見ていたんだよな。そして、ヨウタはコユキに父親を思い出させるのか。彼女にとってヨウタは一緒にいてリラックスできる相手かもしれないが、恋愛感情ではない可能性もある。なるほど、だからミキはコユキがイガラシと付き合ったのは自分のせいだと思っているのか。それにしても、なぜ彼はコユキのことを覚えていないんだ? 少なくとも名字すら覚えていないのはなぜだ?考察くん
Frontier246
At this point I feel like any chance of MinatoxKoyun sailing is dependent on them actually interacting with each other more legitimately and with less awkwardness. Because as it is she goes out of her way to see/interact with Yota and not him.
現時点だと、湊×小雲が成立するかどうかは、二人がもっと自然に気まずくなく交流できるかにかかってると思う。今のままだと、彼女は湊じゃなくて陽太にわざわざ会いに行ったり話しかけたりしてるしね。普通くん
armpitcritic
Sometimes I don't get who's who in the flashbacks everyone has the black / dark brown hair
わかる…回想シーンで誰が誰だかマジでわかんなくなるんだよなッ!みんな黒髪か濃い茶髪で区別つかなくてしんどい感情くん
Nebresto
Real and relateable OH NO Once again netflix subs are ass Bless her man, the characterization curveballs keep coming. And when are we gonna see the mystery trio from the OP/ED?
確かに、Netflixの字幕はいつもひどいよね。彼女のキャラ描写、また予想外の方向に来たな。そういえばOP/EDに出てた謎の3人組、いつ本編で出てくるんだろう?普通くん
CrimsonGear80
You can’t even have soccer practice without having this couple shoved in your face, ha ha!
サッカー練習してるだけなのにこのカップルがバーンって出てくるのやばくね笑!ギャル
Tsukiko_
If you ask are you free tomorrow pls mention whyyy it stresses people (me) out a lot 😅
「明日空いてる?」って聞くときは理由も言ってほしい~。めっちゃプレッシャーになるから(私調べ)😅普通くん
djthomp
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Minato catching strays all episode, bro kind of deserves it too if you think of it as karma for past actions that upset Koyuki. I was wondering why he thought Koyuki would get hurt pursuing Yota and I don't really think that dead mom/new mom reveal at the end really explains it just yet. Maybe he's gay or very aromantic? Then again we also got hints that her family is split up so maybe Minato somehow knew the details on both sides and was correctly guessing Koyuki would get upset about it.
湊、今回のエピソードでずっと不運に見舞われてたけど、小雪を怒らせた過去の行動に対するカルマって考えると、ある意味自業自得だよな。なんで彼が小雪が陽太を追いかけることで傷つくと思ったのか気になってたんだが、最後に明かされた実母/継母の話だけじゃまだ説明がつかないんだよな。もしかしたら湊はゲイか、かなり恋愛感情が薄いタイプかもしれない。一方で、小雪の家族が離ればなれになってるヒントもあったから、湊が両方の事情を詳しく知ってて、小雪がそれで動揺するだろうと正しく推測してた可能性もある。考察くん
mastereluder6
I don’t get her expression at the end
最後のあの表情、マジで意味わからんンゴwww2ちゃん
TheBusStop12
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I see a lot of people speculating that her family may have split apart as well (which could explain as well why Igarashi didn't recognize her surname) and Yota saying that reminded her of her own personal experience which she has been unable to properly process. A change in surname means something probably happened with her dad. And she was earlier in the episode reminiscing about her dad and how much Yota is like him
色々な人が彼女の家族もバラバラになったんじゃないかって推測してるみたいだね(それで五十嵐が名字に気づかなかった理由も説明できるし)。陽太の言葉が彼女自身の未処理な経験を思い出させたんだと思う。名字が変わったってことは、父親に何かあった可能性が高い。それにエピソード前半で彼女が父親を懐かしんでて、陽太が父親に似てるって言ってたのも納得だわ。普通くん
mastereluder6
Owwww this makes sense. Well we gonna need to see next week to get the till picture
あーなるほどね!来週まで待たないと全体像が見えないってことか〜まじ気になるじゃん!ギャル
ieatsneks
This is so much fun! I haven’t liked a romance anime in a while since My love story with Yamada-kun, and I’m already so hooked. Can’t wait for more episodes >
めっちゃ楽しい!山田くんとLv999の恋をする以来で久々にハマったロマンスアニメだわ。もう完全に引き込まれてる。次のエピソードが待ちきれない><普通くん
VancityGaming
Check out You and I are Polar Opposites from this same author if you haven't already
やば!この作者の『君と僕の正反対な関係』まだ読んでないならマジでチェックしたほうがいいよ!めっちゃおすすめ!ギャル
phoenixking99999999
This the yota lore I have yearned for.
待って待って待って!これが俺がずっと待ってたヨタの設定(ロア)かよッ!熱すぎるでしょ!感情くん
hikoboshi_sama
Looks like my boi Minato is catching feelings for Koyun Never let Koyun navigate. Ever. I'm so happy Koyun got a new friend who can see that she's actually really nice under her cold and guarded exterior.
ミナトが小雲に惹かれてるみたいだな。小雲に道案内させるのだけは絶対やめてほしい(笑)。小雲が冷たくて壁を作ってるけど実はすごくいい子だって気づいてくれる新しい友達ができて、本当に嬉しいよ。普通くん
UnderstandableXO
they’ve been present in every episode but this episode really emphasized the Wcdonalds version of real sneakers that the 4 main characters have. koyun has adidas superstars, miki has jordan 8s, yota has jordan 1s and minato has adidas stan smiths. is the author a sneakerhead? i don’t recall any of the characters in you and i are polar opposites having obviously real-looking shoes
毎回登場してたけど、今回のエピソードで特に4人の主要キャラが履いてるWcdonalds版の実在スニーカーが強調されてたな。小弓はアディダス スーパースター、美希はジョーダン8、陽太はジョーダン1、湊はアディダス スタンスミス。作者はスニーカーヘッドなのか?『君と僕は正反対』のキャラにはこれほど明らかに実在感のある靴はなかった記憶があるんだが。考察くん
SecretYogurtcloset57
I honestly feel bad for Minato
ちょっとミナトのこと可哀想すぎない!?まじで同情しちゃうんだけど……ギャル
loadedhunter3003
Am I the only one confused by the start of the episode? Miki says "Meanwhile, Koyun's been in a relationship for so long" but then the next scene is her convincing Koyun to go out with Igarashi normally I'd assume that the second just happened before the first scene but there isn't enough time between the two for Miki to say that the relationship has been so long. Is there a subtitling error?
確かに冒頭の時系列ちょっと混乱するね。ミキが「コユンは長く付き合ってる」って言った直後にイガラシと付き合うように説得してるシーンがあるけど、普通に考えたら後者が先で前者が後じゃないと時間的に合わないよな。字幕ミスかもしれない。普通くん
FabtheEmber
That's an error.. It is supposed to say She has been liked by one person for herself for so long
「間違いだよ…本来は『彼女はずっと一人の人間にそのままで好きでいてもらった』って意味のはずなのに…ッ」感情くん
BootyLover299
MinaGOAT is jealous
ミナGOATが嫉妬してるんだよね普通くん
therealgwizz
Now the dub has both Rem and Emilia
吹き替え版でレムとエミリア両方出てくるの草2ちゃん
Frontier246
Kayli Mills is contractually obligated to be in all Netflix high school romance anime lol. Also has Crusch/Meili and the original Regulus.
確かにKayli MillsはNetflixの高校ラブコメアニメには必ず出てる契約でもしてるんじゃないかってくらいだよね笑 あとCrusch/Meiliと元のRegulusもやってたんだな。普通くん
Pure_Cricket7941
What chapter would episode 6 be?
え、エピソード6って何話にあたるの!?気になりすぎるッ!感情くん
FabtheEmber
It ends around chap 32 I think
たしか32話くらいで終わるね普通くん
Many-Yogurtcloset515
Ep 6, at timestamp 10:14, she says " Yota and I are polar opposites. ", that's such a good phrasing from the Author reminding us that You and I are polar Oposites and The Ramparts of Ice are happening in the same universe, that's such a nice thing he's doing, these little details makes the animes 10 out of 10.
第6話の10:14で「陽太と私は正反対」って言うんやけど、これ「君と僕の正反対」ってタイトルと『氷の城壁』が同じ世界観ってのを作者がさりげなく思い出させてるんやな。こういう細かい仕込みがガチで神ってるわ。アニメ10点満点やろ。2ちゃん
Smudy
Yota is totally not fine with his family, something's up. Lights turning red when his current mom appears and back to blue when they say bye to each other. Him deliberately not thinking about anything makes a lot more sense now unless i'm completely misinterpreting it.
陽太、明らかに家族と上手くいってないよね。何かあるんだ。今の母親が出てくるときにライトが赤くなって、別れの挨拶で青に戻る描写とか。彼がわざと何も考えないようにしてるのも、今はすごく納得できる。俺の解釈が完全に間違ってなければだけど。普通くん
Vermillion_Crab
I usually don't like love triangles in my anime. But this episode is a great example of putting nuance in the dynamics and also throwing a wrench in a budding friendship without it feeling contrived or overly complicated.
せやな、ワイも恋愛三角関係は基本好きちゃうねん。でも今回のエピソードは人間関係にめっちゃ深み出してて、芽生えかけた友情にわざとらしくない形で楔を打ち込む感じがガチで上手いわ。草2ちゃん
Salt_Mammoth4659
every episode i watch i find myself relating to koyuki more and more and i hate how the show is basically forcing me to view myself from the third person LMFAO
わかる。回を追うごとに小雪に共感しすぎてしんどいッ!しかもこのアニメ、俺に自分を第三者視点で見ろって強要してくるのマジでやめてほしい(笑)感情くん
mekerpan
原文
This show clarified a lot of things for me. We now know that Miki does NOT have any romantic feelings towards Yota -- as she really really wants to ship Koyun and Yota. We know that Koyun feels utterly comfortable with Yota. -- and vice versa. We now (pretty much) know Yota does NOT have a GF from another school -- as the seemingly possible one turns out to be his step-mother. We (or I) can strongly feel that it seems almost inconceivable for Koyun to feel genuinely at ease with Minato. We know Minato has a really weird (and not especially pleasant) attitude towards Koyun (does he see her as an equal -- or an object). We know he THINKS that Yota will somehow hurt Koyun if she develops romantic feelings for him -- but we haven't the faintest clue as to why. We know that Koyun is actually beginning to develop the ability to make additional friends -- she did a surprisingly good job with her fellow library attendant. We learned that Koyun's father is alive (Not clear to me before what his status was). We learned that Yota's mother died when he was young -- and that his father married a surprisingly younger woman (or one who LOOKS that way). We see that Yota has a massive appetite (and can eat super spicy things) -- but this was not really a surprise. What we/I seem to have no clue about is WHERE this is headed, I (like Miki) can easily see Yota and Koyun drifting into a dating relationship. I cannot conceive Koyun EVER doing so with Minato -- and feel that such a pairing would be arbitrary story-wise -- no matter how the show might try to push tings that way. Koyun has shown that she has the capacity to learn and change ON HER OWN -- with no need for teaching/training by Minato. I still see no similar shift in Minato's attitude -- which strikes me as very egocentric even if not precisely selfish. And I cannot see him becoming "chill" enough to understand and deal with Koyun's emotional needs. We shall see....
この回でいろいろハッキリしたわ ・ミキは陽太に恋愛感情ゼロ(小雲×陽太を全力推し) ・小雲は陽太と一緒にいるのが超ラクそう(お互いにな) ・陽太に他校の彼女はいない(あの女は継母だった) ・小雲が湊と一緒にいてマジでリラックスできるとは思えん ・湊の小雲への態度がキモい(対等に見てるのか?それともモノ扱いか?) ・湊は「小雲が陽太に恋すると傷つく」って思ってるけど理由がサッパリ ・小雲が友達作るスキル伸ばしててワロタ(図書館の同僚と良い感じ) ・小雲の父親生存確定(ワイは死んでると思ってた) ・陽太の母親は幼少期に死去、父親は年の差婚(若く見える) ・陽太の大食い&激辛耐性は想定内 んでワイが一番気になるのはこの先どうなるかや ミキと同じく陽太×小雲は自然に付き合いそう でも湊×小雲は絶対ないわ ストーリー的に無理やりすぎ 小雲は湊の指導なしで自分で変わってるしな 湊の態度は相変わらず自己中で小雲の感情に寄り添えるとは思えん まあ今後に期待や2ちゃん
daspaceasians
Odd coincidence but my dad died when I was a kid and I'd have people react like Koyun did whenever I'd tell that story. Otherwise, poor Minato realizing his feelings for her.
うちの父親も子供の頃に亡くなったんだけど、その話をするたびにコユンみたいな反応されるんだよな。変な偶然だわ。それにしても、湊が自分の気持ちに気づいちゃったのは不憫だな。普通くん
NationalStrategy
Minato is crushing hard on Koyun, hopefully he can eventually handle it
湊、小雲にガチ恋しすぎだろ…!!! このままいったらどうなっちゃうんだよッ! 早く落ち着いてくれ…頼む…(泣)感情くん
Zukinho1902
Can someone explain me the end of the episode? why the anime and Koyun acted like super shocked? i know its sad his mother dying early on his life but like idk, it feels theres something else, he has a new mother and thats okay
あのラスト意味わからんかったわ。なんでアニメとコユンが超ビビってたんや?母親が早くに亡くなったのは悲しいけどさ、なんか別に理由ありそうやん。新しい母親もできてるし別にええやろって思うンゴ2ちゃん