#10氷の城壁
放送 2026-06-04更新 2026-07-27
dreski13
That Koyun, Minato moment at the amusement park seemed so well earned because of how slow their relationship has moved. That was the highlight of the episode fs. I actually feel excited to see their relationship grow. You can already see Minato's becoming increasingly more bold and Koyun is being super receptive to it. Tsukiko being the only one to notice it so far is pretty funny.
草、遊園地の小絢と湊のシーン良すぎやろwww
関係性がゆっくり進んできたからこそ、あの瞬間がガチで報われた感あるわ
今週のハイライトやったンゴ
これから2人の関係がどう育っていくか楽しみすぎる
湊がどんどん大胆になって、小絢もそれにめっちゃ好意的になってるのワイはもうニヤニヤが止まらんわ
月子だけ気づいてるってのが草生える2ちゃん
Roskal
She figured it out faster than Minato did.
確かに、彼女の方がミナトより早く見抜き申したな。流石としか言いようがござらぬ。武士
Frontier246
She figured it out faster than most characters have figured out any relationship in this show lol.
せやな、このアニメで誰よりも早く関係性に気づいたやんwww
主人公より察し良すぎて草2ちゃん
Choice-Witness-1274
one look and she was like hell yeah this dude down bad! its the way she was trying to give them space. god i love her
一目見た瞬間、彼女は「この男、堕ちたな」と確信したのだ。彼らに距離を置かせようとするその仕草……まさに女神の如き采配よ。我が魂は彼女に酔いしれる。中二病
Atharaphelun
Tsukiko may very well turn out to be the key figure in correcting all these misunderstandings by being the neutral third party.
ツキコ、まじで誤解を解くカギになるんじゃね!?中立の立場だからこそできることあるよね〜!ギャル
VoidRay728
原文
Interesting that Miki: isn't fine with haunted houses but is fine with action rides Koyun: is fine with haunted houses but isn't fine with action rides Minato: isn't fine with both haunted houses and action rides Yota: is fine with both haunted houses and action rides This series never fails at slipping in a twist at the end of the episode. The whole time we get a wholesome vibe and then Atagawa shows up just at the end with the ED starting in the background like boss music.
なるほど、キャラごとの性格の違いがよく出てるね。ミキはお化け屋敷がダメで絶叫系は平気、コユンはその逆、ミナトは両方ダメ、ヨウタは両方平気って。このシリーズ、毎回最後にひねりを入れてくるのほんと上手いよな。ずっとほのぼのしてたのに、EDが流れ始めるタイミングで阿多川がボス感出して登場するのがたまらない。普通くん
Roskal
The way the ED always hypes up the cliffhanger makes me feel the same as Oshi no ko s1. It gets you excited for the next episode.
確かにEDが毎回次回への期待を煽る様は、【推しの子】第1期と同じでござるな。次の話が待ち遠しくなるので候。武士
clone69
Or Jojo's season 1 when Roundabout starts playing before the frame freeze and the TO BE CONTINUED label
ジョジョ1期のフリーズ前のラウンドアバウトとTO BE CONTINUEDの演出は神だよね普通くん
Earlier-Today
You know, Jojo's has just never appealed to me, but it seems like the creator has amazing taste in music from the bits I've heard about what he references or what gets used in the show.
まじでわかる!ジョジョは私もあんまハマれなかったんだけど、作者の音楽センスはやばすぎじゃない?笑 使われてる曲とかリファレンスとか聞くだけで神だわ〜ギャル
ThrowCarp
Thank goodness I'm not the only one thinking of that Oshi no Ko ED.
わかる!俺だけじゃなかったんだな、あの【推しの子】のED思い浮かべたの!エモすぎるッ!感情くん
Oden_sama__
sakasama is a legendary ed, i only wish it were longer
サカサマのEDやばくない!?伝説級じゃん!あともうちょい長かったら完璧なんだけどな〜笑ギャル
plsdontattackmeok
This is reason why I like that ED lol
確かにそれな!ED好きすぎるッ!感情くん
zool714
Yota : But crumbles everytime he’s near Miki
我が存在、ヨータ。ミキが近づくたびに、その城壁は脆くも崩れ去るのだ。中二病
Frontier246
The amount of head trauma he's received when he's around Miki is staggering. Curse his tallness and romcom ditziness lol.
やばくね!?ミキといるときの彼の頭部打撲の数エグすぎるでしょ笑 身長の高さとラブコメのドジっ子体質が呪いすぎるんだけどwギャル
aenews
He's suffered more head trauma than hs football players... 😅
彼の頭部外傷の回数、高校のフットボール選手より多いんじゃないか…😅普通くん
Zeallfnonex
The funniest thing is that Miki thinks he's generally clumsy when it's her that causes him to lose his composure 😆
これマジで笑えるんだけど!三木は自分がドジだと思ってるけど、実は彼女のせいで冷静さ失ってるっていうね😆ギャル
Frontier246
Saying it like that it's almost like Koyun and Minato aren't Polar Opposites after all!
そう言われると、小雲とミナトも実は真逆じゃないのかもね!普通くん
clone69
The whole time we get a wholesome vibe and then Atagawa shows up just at the end with the ED starting in the background like boss music. Curse Netflix for cutting off the ED with their ads
EDがボス戦のBGMみたいに流れ出したところで現れる阿多川、マジでズルすぎるッ!Netflixの広告でED切るのマジで呪うわ…感情くん
phasmy
That ED boss music just sneaks up on you every time
あのEDのボス戦BGM、毎回不意に来るんだよな。ドライおじ
The1eternal1
I love the way the ED fades in. Oshi no Ko did the same thing
EDがフェードインで始まるの好きだな。推しの子も同じことやってたよね普通くん
FastenedCarrot
Koyun once again being literally me
やばっ、コユンまた俺じゃん!笑ギャル
frik1000
原文
That whole amusement park date got me smiling like an idiot. Was just so nice to see them all out having fun. Some of the chibi bits for that part felt a lot more animated than usual too. Then hit with some great setup for the next arc towards the end. I didn't even realize they were second years now and we'd be getting a bunch of new characters all at once. Also love seeing Tsukiko in the same class as the rest of them.
遊園地デートのとこ、ニヤニヤ止まらなかったわ。みんなで楽しんでるの見れてほんと良かった。あのパートのちびキャラ動き、いつもより気合入ってた気がする。終盤で次のアークへの布石もいい感じだったし。気づいたらもう2年生になってて、新キャラ一気に出てくるんだな。つきこがみんなと同じクラスなのも嬉しい。普通くん
Frontier246
Koyun feels a lot more naturally happy compared to how she was in episode 1 where she only looked comfortable when she was around Miki.
やばっ!小結、めっちゃ自然に楽しそうじゃん?第1話ではミキといるときだけリラックスしてたのに、今は全然違うよね!ギャル
clone69
I don't really get the decision on the subs, it said new semester but it was a new school year.
訳分からんわ、字幕「新学期」って出たけどワイには新学年やと思うンゴ……2ちゃん
Earlier-Today
A new school year is a new semester, and Japan doesn't have as long of a summer break as the US does - they get about half (a month to a month and a half compared to the US' two and a half to three months).
新しい学年=新学期開始だが、日本の夏休みは米国の約半分(1〜1.5ヶ月)しかない。米国が2.5〜3ヶ月なのと比較すると、この設定はリアルな日本の教育制度を反映していると言える。考察くん
Kirosh2
Also, a new school year starts in April if I recall.
そういえば4月から新学期だよね。普通くん
LightWeak5224
Japanese school years end & begin in March (cherry blossoms are the key tell); unlike the US there is actually very little time between end of one year and start of next (that’s the “spring break”… I think it’s just a week). Summer break happens in the “middle” of the school year with smaller breaks in May and January
日本の学年は3月で終わって始まる(桜がその証拠やな)。アメリカと違って、学年終わりから次までほぼ間がないンゴ(それが「春休み」…多分1週間だけ)。夏休みは学年の「真ん中」にあって、5月と1月に短い休みがあるで。2ちゃん
Shadow_Ass
Yea noticed that too. There way way more fluid movement than usually. I was grinning too the whole time
確かにそれ気づいたわ。普段より明らかに動きが滑らかだったね。俺もずっとニヤニヤしてたわ。普通くん
ThrowCarp
Such a cliche, but I quite like the direction this amusement park bit went. So cute to see Koyun get gifted a stuffed animal prize. See the ice melt a little bit there.
草www まんまベタ展開やけどこの遊園地パートの流れ、結構好きやわ。小雲がぬいぐるみもらってるのめっちゃ可愛いやん。氷がちょっと溶けてる感あるな。2ちゃん
HolyDragSwd2500
Minato and Koyun so adorable
湊とコユン、めっちゃ可愛いね普通くん
Frontier246
They're used to putting on a "face" as a protection when interacting with people (or for the sake of getting along better with people) but are slowly growing fonder of each other through their genuine selves.
まあ、人と接するときに仮面をかぶるのに慣れてる奴らが、素の自分を通じて少しずつ惹かれ合ってるってわけか。悪くない展開だな。ドライおじ
Roskal
Seeing this development after their rough beginnings and before we knew how Koyun felt about Yota just feels so satisfying.
草、この展開マジで沁みるンゴwww
最初はギスギスしてたのに、今のコユンの想いを知ると余計にグッとくるやん2ちゃん
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
原文
I love how Tsukiko was instantly adopted by Miki into the group after calling her cool. Feels like she's going to be the Honda of this series, getting a front row seat to witness all the juicy relationship drama that's about to go down. Speaking of Honda, Minato did a pretty good impression of her this ep. And that was quite the intimidating introduction from Akine, she looked like she was out for blood. Feels like its going to be a fakeout though, with how eager she was to meet Koyuki and the way she held her hand. Maybe like an enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing?
ツキコがミキに「かっこいい」って言われて即座にグループに迎え入れられたの好き。このシリーズの本田ポジションになって、これから起きる恋愛ゴタゴタを最前列で見届ける存在になりそうだな。そういえばミナトは今回、本田の物真似うまかったな。そしてアキネの登場はかなり威圧的だった、マジで殺る気満々って感じ。でも彼女がこゆきに会いたがってた様子や手の握り方を見ると、実はフェイクなんじゃないか? 敵の敵は味方的な?普通くん
Frontier246
原文
I love how Tsukiko was instantly adopted by Miki into the friend group after calling her cool. Feels like she's going to be the Honda of this series, getting a front row seat to witness all the juicy romance drama that's about to go down. Speaking of Honda, Minato did a pretty good impression of her this ep. Turns out you can make that face not only for your favorite ship but when you're basking in the cuteness of the girl you want to be shipped with! And that was quite the intimidating introduction from Akine. Feels like its going to be a fakeout though with how eager she was to meet Koyuki and the way she held her hand. Maybe like an enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing? Akine: "Let's become friends because my big sister is such a B----"
ツキコがあっさりミキの友達グループに迎え入れられたシーン、最高だったな。「カッコいい」って言った瞬間に即採用って流れがね。彼女はこの作品におけるヒロユキ枠になりそうだよ。恋愛ドラマの特等席で全てを目撃するポジションというか。そういえばミナト、今週はヒロユキのモノマネが上手かったな。推しカプだけでなく、自分がくっつきたい相手の可愛さに悶える時もあの顔ができるってわけか。そしてアキネの威圧的な登場。でも彼女がコユキに会いたがってた様子や手を握る仕草を見ると、実はフリなんじゃないか?「敵の敵は味方」的な構図で、アキネは「姉がクソだから友達になろう」って流れになる可能性が高いと見た。考察くん
Earlier-Today
Yeah, Akine could go either way. But I think she's going to be the opposite of her sister and be awkward but sweet.
確かにアキネはどっちに転んでもおかしくないよな。でもワイは姉とは真逆で、不器用だけど優しい子になると思うンゴwww2ちゃん
Jacob-C
Maybe it's another case of our understanding being warped because we view the past from Koyun's perspective, just like with Igarashi. Maybe Akine's sister was awkward but trying to make small talk or something.
確かに、コユンの視点で過去を見てるから歪んでるだけかもね。イガラシの時と同じで。アキネの姉も不器用だけど雑談しようとしてたのかも。普通くん
BaytaCosmico
Feels like she's the Honda of this series Ooh I can see that! And I also thought of Honda when Minato did that face sucking in bit lol
わかるッ!彼女がこのシリーズのホンダ枠って感じだよね!しかも湊があの顔吸い込む仕草したとき、俺もホンダ思い出したわ笑 しんどすぎる感情くん
FastenedCarrot
When you said Honda I thought you mean from Yu Gi Oh at first
「Hondaって聞いて最初は遊戯王の本田かと思ったンゴwww」2ちゃん
Didavi_
Minato being the first guy Koyun think is cute, Koyun being touchy & friendly with miki's brother & old rival/enemy sister reveal. Absolutely spicy episode, I can't handle this many bombas packed in one episode of my fav slowburn anime of the season.
航がこゆんにとって初めて「かわいい」と思った男の子で、こゆんがミキの弟や元ライバルの妹と親しくしてる展開とか、今週のエピソードスパイス効きすぎだろ。今期一番好きなスローバーンアニメにここまで爆弾詰め込まれると耐えられないわ。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
Hey, I am just glad that Tsukiko seems to become part of the group now. That girl fits into it so perfectly that I want her to become a normal aspect of the show.
月島が仲間入りしそうでワイは嬉しいンゴwww あの子めっちゃハマっとるやん、普通にレギュラー化してほしいわ2ちゃん
mekerpan
The concept of Koyuki dragging another shy girl into her adventures with more outgoing friends is inherently funny,
小雪が内気な女の子をもう一人連れて、もっと社交的な友達と冒険するっていう構図が、根本的に面白いよね。普通くん
Tanyan-nightchord
It's like when an animal you fed brings back their friends and family lol
草、餌あげてたら仲間連れてくる動物みたいやなwww2ちゃん
Zemahem
Misery social anxiety loves company. Ironically.
仲間がいると社会不安が増すって皮肉すぎるッ!感情くん
clone69
I mean, I didn't realize it at the time, but it was kinda spoiled in their cameo on Polar Opposites where she was with Koyun and Miki.
あの時は気づかなかったけど、Polar Oppositesでのカメオ出演でコユンとミキと一緒にいる時点でネタバレされてたんだな。普通くん
Tricky-Solution7868
原文
sure but the timeline between shows is weird; i mean the cameos of koyuki, miki, and tsukiko in polaropps show that miki still has her short orange hair, but tsukiko and miki officially met when miki shifted to a blonde color. i presumed that their cameos weren't canon. but if she had blonde hair in her cameo, the timeline between the two shows would start to make more sense--we could deduce that suzuki and gang's cameo was before tani and suzuki got together and koyuki and gang's was a bit later after today's episode
確かにタイムラインおかしいよな。ポラロップスに出てきた小雪・ミキ・月子のカメオだとミキがまだオレンジのショートヘアやのに、本編で月子と出会った時には金髪になってるし。ワイはあのカメオは非公式やと思ってたンゴ。もし金髪で出てたら時系列もスッキリしたんやけどな。鈴木たちのカメオが付き合う前で、小雪たちのは今日の話よりちょっと後って感じやろな。2ちゃん
Hot-Log6283
Or you know they could shift back in the future, hair isn't exactly permanent though the fact it could just be a fun cameo without much thought could also be the case.
まあ将来的に戻る可能性もあるよね。髪って永久的なものじゃないし。ただ単に楽しいカメオ出演ってだけの可能性もあるけどな。普通くん
Tricky-Solution7868
原文
i'm pretty certain that miki's hair is used as a symbol that she no longer needs to hide who she is—her orange hair being her fake persona and her blonde being her real one—so sure it's possible that she could be revisiting old styles but i don't think she's changing it back, for the sake of storytelling. with that, i agree with the fact that their cameos were probably just for fun and non-canon, as i've mentioned previously.
ミキの髪色は象徴的な意味合いが強いと思うんだよね。オレンジが偽りの自分、ブロンドが本当の自分を表していると考えるのが自然だ。確かに過去のスタイルを再現する可能性は否定できないけど、ストーリーテリングの観点から言えば元に戻すとは考えにくい。そして以前も指摘した通り、彼らのカメオ出演はおそらく非正史で、純粋に楽しむためのものだったという意見に同意する。考察くん
Hot-Log6283
I mean her hair is also the same colour throughout the OP.
いやOP通して髪色一緒やんけ草2ちゃん
Tricky-Solution7868
that's unrelated, but whatever floats your boat i guess
それは関係ないけど、まあ好きにすればいいんじゃないかな普通くん
Tapwater_enthusiast
She seems like this story's Hon-chan with being a third wheel and genre savviness, but not as high level
このストーリーの“本ちゃん”ポジションやん、三番手的な立ち位置とメタ視点の知識はあるけど、レベルの差は歴然やな草2ちゃん
SirGigglesandLaughs
She's sort of a combo of both those girls from Polar Opposites.
確かに!氷の城壁のあの二人の女の子を足して割った感じだよねッ!めっちゃわかるー!感情くん
BaytaCosmico
Yes! Somewhat shy like Nishi but instead of being painfully anxious about it, she's more outward looking and emotionally aware of what's happening around her. And of course provides killer mental commentary to these events like Honda. I love Tsukiko.
そうだね!西さんみたいにちょっとシャイだけど、過剰に不安がるよりは周りをよく見て感情にも敏感な感じ。もちろん本田みたいに鋭い心のツッコミも入れてくれてさ。月子ちゃん好きだわ。普通くん
Frontier246
原文
Minato being the first guy Koyun think is cute, Koyun being touchy & friendly with miki's brother & old rival/enemy sister reveal. Compared to a childhood friend in Yuki who she views as a little brother, versus Yota who she sees as a dad/someone to aspire to, Minato is probably the first guy she's had a positive opinion of and found herself liking and feeling comfortable with compared to all her interactions with the opposite sex in middle school. Especially Igarashi. Though I feel like Akine is going to be like Minato in the sense that Koyun is going to project her feelings about her older sister onto her and expect that she does the same thing like she initially thought Minato was just going to turn out to be Igarashi 2.0.
この考察、めちゃくちゃ深いな。小春にとって湊が初めて「可愛い」と思えた男子であり、三鬼の兄や元ライバルの姉妹との関係性を踏まえると、雪菜を弟のように、陽太を父親・目標として見ていたのに対し、湊は中学校時代の異性との関わり(特に五十嵐)と比較して、初めてポジティブな感情と居心地の良さを抱いた相手だと言える。特に、五十嵐に対する投影が大きい。そして、アキネに対しては、湊への当初の期待(五十嵐2.0になるのではという懸念)と同じように、小春が姉への感情を投影して同様の結果を恐れる展開が予想される、というのが興味深い伏線だ。考察くん
garfe
When Minato said "I wish she'd like only me" I got my devious face/rubbing hands together pose for the coming drama
湊が「俺だけのものになってほしい」って言った時、ワイはもうニヤニヤが止まらんかったンゴwww 今後の修羅場が楽しみすぎるやろwww2ちゃん
Qweasd11
He's quite the possessive type. Though watching this episode everyone uses their inner voices a lot, from Koyuki to Minato to Miki to Tsukiko. They have feels and takes but not wanting to disrupt the overall vibe.
このキャラ、独占欲強いタイプだよな。ただ今回のエピソード見てると、こゆき、湊、ミキ、月子まで、みんな内心の声を多く使ってるんだよな。それぞれ感情や解釈はあるけど、全体の雰囲気を壊したくないっていう心理が働いてるんだろうなという考察ができる。考察くん
AllThingsDragon
Between Yuki and Yota, Minato is really fighting for his life in a 2v1 😆 (or at least, he thinks he is)
湊、雪と陽太に2対1で本気で命懸けの戦いしてて草😆(少なくとも本人はそう思ってるけどな)感情くん
Choice-Witness-1274
and a somewhat concept of igarashi. my boy minato is SUFFERING
氷壁の概念も少し出てきたね。うちのミナトくんはマジで苦しんでるな普通くん
PeaceAlien
All the ships are sailing nicely, even the characters are shipping. Minato has jealousy issues though
まじでみんなカップル成立してて最高じゃん!キャラ同士も推してるし笑 でもミナトは嫉妬深すぎない?やばくね!?ギャル
Zemahem
Minato would melt on the spot if he had heard Koyun's thoughts. Unfortunately, he's no mind reader, so he has to deal with jealousy from seeing her so close to both Yota and Yuki.
湊が小雲の考え聞いたらその場で溶けてまうやろなwww でも読心術なんてないから、陽太や結姫と仲良さそうなの見て嫉妬に耐えるしかないンゴね…草2ちゃん
Still-Neck-6771
Minato getting jealous the whole episode 🤭 had me giggling like a middle schooler. Also he gifted her the DOG!!!! 😩😩😩🫶🫶🫶 Also the new girl Atagawa🥹 Im really hopping she just has a mean face but is an angel Yuki👀 I have been waiting to find out who he was since I saw the op👀 I didnt know Miki had a younger brother🤣 Really hoping he brings out a more jealous Minato 😛
湊が終始ヤキモチ焼きでさ🤭中学生みたいにニヤニヤしちゃったよ。しかも彼女に犬をプレゼントしたんだぜ!!!😩😩😩🫶🫶🫶それと新キャラのアタガワ🥹本当にただの怖い顔した天使だといいな…ユキ👀OP見てからずっと正体が知りたかったんだよ👀ミキに弟がいたなんて知らなかったわ🤣もっと嫉妬深い湊が見られるのを期待してる😛考察くん
Frontier246
Akine has pink Suzuki shows, there's no way she's evil.
ピンクのスズキ(鈴木?)持ってる時点で悪人なわけないだろッ!無理すぎる優勝!感情くん
bigfndan
Haha, when she rolled up I went oh no, evil Suzuki.
はは、彼女が現れたとき「やべえ、悪の鈴木だ」って思っちゃったわ普通くん
Zemahem
She can probably run really fast, and always looks good in pictures then unlike good Suzuki.
まじでこの子足速そうじゃん!しかも写真写り良すぎて、鈴木さんと大違いだわ笑ギャル
NanDemoKnaives
Minato getting jealous of Yuuki was additionally amusing to me once I realized they share the voice actors with Ouri and Tamon respectively.
湊がユウキに嫉妬してるシーン、俺も面白いと思ったよ。しかも声優がそれぞれ王理と多門と同じって気づいてさらに笑えたわ。普通くん
garfe
Lmao that's great. Adds another unintended dimension
やば!それ超いいじゃん!笑 まさかこんな意図しない深みが出るとは思わなかったわ~ギャル
BaytaCosmico
Ooh this is very good to know. I thought Yuki sounded familiar but didn't place him. So happy he's getting more work in good shows. He did so well as Tamon and matched Hayamin in a demanding role, so he deserves all the success.
おおこれはめっちゃ有益やな。ユウキの声聞いて「どっかで聞いたことある…」って思ったけど特定できんかったわ。いい作品で仕事増えててガチで嬉しいわ。タモン役めっちゃハマっとったし、早見さんと張り合える難しい役もこなしてたし、成功して当然やろ。2ちゃん
mekerpan
Koyuki apparently knew her older brother, But how? We have had no premonition of any other male figures in her background (other than Igarashi), And how would she know sonmeones older brother -- but the not the sister who was her same age? Mysterious.
この描写、興味深い伏線だよな。小雪が誰かの兄を知っているという事実が提示されたわけだが、これまでの背景描写では五十嵐以外の男性キャラはほぼ登場していない。同年代の妹ではなく兄の存在を知っているという点で、意図的に情報が隠されている可能性が高い。制作陣が何か大きな仕掛けを用意していると見て間違いないだろう。考察くん
hikoboshi_sama
Sister. Atagawa Manatsu is Akine's sister. She's the one who bullied Koyun in middle school and she's shown up in several flashbacks in previous episodes.
確かに。阿多川真夏はアキネの姉だね。中学時代に小鳩をいじめてたやつで、過去のエピソードでも何度かフラッシュバックに出てきてたよ。普通くん
mekerpan
Ah. Manatsu sounded like a boys name -- but apparently is primarily a girls name. I should have remembered that we know a female Chinatsu....
あー、マナツって男っぽい名前やと思ったら女の子の名前なんか。チナツって女キャラおったの忘れてたわ…草2ちゃん
Ok_Bake4205hthtjrtjr
Well, that is kinda the same story as with Miki's younger brother - neither Yota nor Minato knew Yuki, let alone that she has a brother at all. So maybe it was some kind of foreshadowing?
確かにそれってミキの弟の話と似てるね。ヨータもミナトもユキのこと知らなかったし、ましてや弟がいるなんて全然知らなかったし。もしかして伏線だったのかも?普通くん
TechnicalIncrease695
Miki knew Koyun for a lot longer than she does with Yota and Minato, who she met in middle school.
ミキは中学で出会った陽太や湊より、コユンとずっと長い付き合いなんやな。2ちゃん
Cally83
Koyuki’s outfit with her beret - styling and profiling. I love it.
小雪のベレー帽コーデ、おしゃれでキマってる。めっちゃ好き。普通くん
Kirosh2
The mangaka really likes to drip out her characters. It's great to see.
マンガ家、キャラのファッションにめっちゃこだわってるじゃん!それがまた最高に見えるんだけど笑ギャル
Frontier246
The mangaka really likes to drip out her characters. Akine also rocking those pink shoes as well as Suzuki.
作者は本当にキャラをおしゃれに描くのが好きだよね。アキネもスズキもピンクの靴が似合ってる。普通くん
TheBusStop12
The newly introduced little sister of the bully has the same heart earrings as Suzuki as well. I wonder how much of these clothes and accessories are from the Mangakas own wardrobe
新しく出てきたいじめっ子の妹、鈴木と同じハートのピアスつけてるやん。この服とかアクセ、どんだけ作者の私物なんやろな草2ちゃん
TheBusStop12
She has a good fashion sense yeah. Even as a fashion inept dude I can tell that Suzukis and Koyuns outfits are really well put together. I also get the feeling the mangaka likes berets, as Suzuki also wears one
彼女のファッションセンスいいよね。ファッションに疎い俺でも鈴木さんと小弓さんの服装がすごくまとまってるのはわかる。作者がベレー帽好きな気がするな、鈴木さんもかぶってるし。普通くん
Tapwater_enthusiast
Not just that, but hairstyle variations as well, kinda realistic
それだけじゃなくて髪型のバリエーションも豊富やん、結構リアルで草2ちゃん
Shadow_Ass
I noticed they always have some banger shoes
いつも靴がめっちゃカッコいいのな普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
I found interesting that Miki and Koyun wore the same ear rings. So now my head cannon is they went shopping together after Miki's punk reveal and both got the same pair.
おっ!ミキとコユンが同じピアスつけてんの気づいたわw 俺の脳内設定だと、ミキがパンクファッションをカミングアウトした後に二人で買い物行ってお揃いゲットした説が濃厚になったわ草wwwおじ
Kirosh2
It's not the first that have matching outfit. Back in the after ending scene of Episode 5, we can see they have the different colors of the same jacket. Here Mind you, it's only for a short time.
確かに、おそろいの服は初めてじゃないね。第5話のエンディング後にも同じジャケットの色違いが見えたし。まあ一瞬だけどな。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
I will keep looking for it then. I kind of like that their friendship is shown through matching outfits.
マジで探し続けるわ。お揃いの服で友情表現してるの結構好きやわ。2ちゃん
the_mad_
They almost always have matching earrings, even though their earrings have changed throughout the season. They started off with a simple stud of the same color. Now they are wearing the same diamond shape and color.
彼ら、シーズン通してピアス変わってるけど、ほとんどいつもお揃いなんだよね。最初は同じ色のシンプルなスタッドから始まって、今は同じ形と色のダイヤモンドになってる。普通くん
Frontier246
It also complimented Minato's outfit well, albeit unintentionally. You could argue they looked like they were out on a date together (even if only Minato would have wanted it seen that way).
ミナトの服装と合ってて草www たぶん本人は意識してないけどデートみたいやん(ミナトだけがそう思ってた可能性はあるけどな)2ちゃん
zool714
Koyun just discovered gap moe
小コユンがギャップ萌えに気づいちゃったのかw まじかよwww かわいすぎる笑wwwおじ
NoNinja2793
FINALLY!!! The episode I was waiting for ... amusement park doesn't disappoint...Minato× Koyun ship has departed from the port !!!...
やっと来たンゴwww 待ってた回や!
遊園地回、期待裏切らんかったわ…
湊×小絢の船、ついに出航やな!!!2ちゃん
runevault
It is funny how after the locksmith episode a lot of commenters were burying Minato as garbage. I have not read the source material but his character arc was so clearly central to this story even back then it was wild to see all the vitriol. Plus he and Koyuki clearly are designed to help each other grow. And yet now we've got the ship gaining steam and it is beautiful.
鍵屋の回の後、多くのコメントで湊がゴミ扱いされてたのは笑えるな。原作は読んでないけど、あの時点でも彼のキャラクターアークが物語の中心なのは明らかだったのに、あの悪意はすごかった。それに湊とこゆきはお互いを成長させるために設計されてるし。今カップリングが盛り上がってきて最高だね。普通くん
zool714
Even as an introvert myself, I can kinda it’s just his style of socializing and never saw him as a villain. I don’t know why some were hated him so much
まじでわかる!自分も陰キャだけど、あれって彼なりの社交スタイルだよね。悪役とか全然思わなかったし。なんであんなに嫌われてたのか意味わかんないんだけど笑ギャル
runevault
They didn't like how pushy he was from what I could tell. But that was kinda the point, he had to learn to work through his weird savior complex and just try to be friends with people in a normal way.
みんなあの押し付けがましさが嫌だったんだろうね。でもそれがポイントだったんだと思う。あの変な救世主コンプレックスを乗り越えて、普通に友達になろうとする過程が必要だったんだよ。普通くん
mekerpan
Never saw him as a villain -- just as someone whose interaction style (and underlying motivation at the start) were not very compatible with Koyuki (and might even be unintentionally harmful).
まじでそれ!彼を悪役とか全然思わないじゃん?むしろ最初の時点での接し方とか動機が、小雪とあんま合わなかっただけで、無意識に傷つけちゃってた感じだよね〜ギャル
Frontier246
I love how what attracts Koyun to him is the parts of him that are kind of a boyfailure.
わかるッ!小雲が彼に惹かれるのって、まさに彼の「ダメ男」な部分なんだよね。それがエモすぎるッ!感情くん
FabtheEmber
Omg Yes... Minato who finds emotions a weak point is thought cute by Koyuki when he is his most embarrassing self!! He probably thinks he is loosing the game as he is trying to act all put together (his outfit) not realizing he is making progress. It is so fun to watch their dynamic unfold
草www 感情が弱点だと思ってるミナトが、一番ダサい自分を小雪に可愛いって思われてるやん!!「ちゃんとしてる自分(服装)」を見せようとしてゲームに負けてると思ってそうなのに、実は進展してることに気づいてないンゴwww この二人の関係性が動いていくの見るのガチで面白いわ2ちゃん
Saya_
This is actually so real and relatable though. A cute, vulnerable sort of endearing patheticness is so much more attractive than a guy that tries to act suave or cool. I actually find the latter to be such a turn off. 😂 I like how even though Minato is technically the popular good looking jock, it's not ever the focus of why he is likable.
この描写、めちゃくちゃリアルだし共感できる。かっこつけようとする男より、愛らしくて脆くてちょっと情けない感じの方が断然魅力的に映るんだよな。後者はむしろ冷める要素でしかない😂。湊は設定上は人気者のイケメン体育会系だけど、その魅力の核がそこじゃないところが制作陣の意図を感じる。考察くん
Earlier-Today
Because those are the genuine parts. He's a bit performative in his interactions.
それって本当の部分だからだと思う。彼は人との関わりでちょっと演じちゃうところがあるんだよね。普通くん
Saya_
原文
I love how the series is all about challenging your prejudice and perceptions of people and it puts the viewer in the same position. I also thought it was pretty obvious but I think some viewers don't necessarily think of narrative structure+intent and want to be first to claim "I knew that character was up to no good! X should end up with this Y!" without realising how they're sorting characters/people in black and white ways. This isn't that kind of surface level character writing. I think this is a good story for people to actually understand the nuance in human interactions, since the author does a good job of illustrating the characters' internal thought processes/motivations.
このシリーズ、偏見や先入観をぶっ壊す話ってのがガチで好きやわ。しかも視聴者も同じ立場に立たされるしな。ワイも割と明確やと思ったんやけど、一部の視聴者は「あいつ怪しいって分かってた!XはYとくっつくべき!」って白黒つけたがるだけで、語りの構造や意図を考えてないんやろな。そういう表面的なキャラ描写じゃねえんだわ。この作品は人間関係の機微を理解するのにちょうどええわ。作者がキャラの内面や動機をしっかり描いてるしな。2ちゃん
runevault
On the character writing point, that's why I was so damn excited when I heard this was from the PO writer. Polar Opposites masks her writing skill a little bit with the constant stitches-inducing writing, but this show lets it shine through as strongly as I expected it to. Now if only we could get a split cour of this as well for a full year of her stuff getting animated...
キャラクターの書き方の観点で言うと、これがPOのライターだと聞いてめちゃくちゃ興奮したんだよな。『ポーラー・オポジット』は常に縫合痕を残すような文章で彼女のライティングスキルを少し隠してるけど、この作品は期待通りにそれを強く輝かせてる。あとはこれも分割クールでやってくれて、彼女の作品が丸一年アニメ化されればなあ…という考察ができる。考察くん
Saya_
原文
I thought she did an amazing job in PO and couldn't imagine how this could be better, but really shows how a slight genre shift can pave a bit more way for the writing to flourish. I think Koyun and Minato help feed my love for angst a lot better so it ended up being my preferred series. 😂 I don't see this being a series they leave half finished if there is any respect for the story. Hoping it gets adapted sooner than waiting a year or two though! I'm wishing so much success for Asakawa sensei. I'm a bit surprised I never heard of either series until their animes. I crave more emotionally intelligent writing like this.😩
POでも神がかってたけど、ジャンルがちょっと変わっただけで脚本が更に映えるってのがマジでわかるわ。小雲と湊のおかげでワイの鬱展開好きが加速した結果、こっちのシリーズの方が好みになってもうたンゴ😂
話を途中で投げ出すような作品じゃないと思うし、ちゃんと最後まで描いてくれるやろ。アニメ化も1〜2年待たずに早くやれや!浅川先生にはマジで成功してほしい。
この手の感情描写が上手い作品、もっと読みてぇわ😩2ちゃん
runevault
Have you watched Hundred Scenes of Awajima also airing this season? I love the character work in that show. Also Journal with Witch from last season.
今期やってる「淡島百景」も観てる?あの作品のキャラ描写めっちゃ好きだわ。あと前期の「魔女と一緒に」も良かった。普通くん
Saya_
No I have not but will put it on my watch list when the season finishes. I was also interested in Journal with Witch last season but I wasn't too sure if it'd be a bit on the depressing side. I'm currently in mood where I want to see wholesome uplifting stuff and the comedy/romance here scratches that part. I have a lot of series to catch up on.😂
まだ視聴していないが、今期終了後に視聴リストに入れる予定だ。前クールの「魔女とぼくの日記」も気になっていたが、やや陰鬱な内容かもしれないと懸念していた。現在は心温まる前向きな作品を求める気分で、本作のコメディ/ロマンスはその欲求に合致している。追うべきシリーズが山積みで困ったものだ😂
【考察】
この視聴者の発言からは、視聴作品に対する明確な「気分優先」の選定基準が読み取れる。特に「wholesome uplifting stuff」という表現から、現実逃避的な癒しを求めている心理状態が窺える。前クール作品への言及も含め、シーズン単位での視聴計画を立てている点が興味深い。考察くん
runevault
Journal is 100% depressing, so if you aren't in the mood for that back burner it for when you are ready to deal with sad media. Awajima is sad in places but happy in others so depends on if you can handle the mix. But def worth having in a watchlist or whatever for when you're in the right mood, the characters are fascinating, also do not see a lot of anthology style stories in anime.
Journalはマジで100%鬱展開だから、そういう気分じゃないなら後回しにしたほうがいいよ。Awajimaは悲しいとこもあるけど楽しいとこもあるから、ミックスが耐えられるかどうか次第だね。でも気分が合う時に見る用にウォッチリストに入れる価値はあるよ。キャラクターが魅力的だし、アニメでアンソロジー形式の話はあんまり見かけないしね。普通くん
Jacob-C
原文
I think many of us were fooled by Koyun's biased perspective on Igarashi, but it actually baffled me that people just ate up Koyun's internal thoughts about Minato in the beginning. It's like they had never seen a main character be wrong, flawed or at fault before. Minato had a savior complex and Koyun was way too dismissive and judgemental, which made the situation worse for both of them. To me (and I assume most people) it was very obvious that both were "at fault", even if it wasn't that big of a deal.
おそらく多くの視聴者が小雲の偏った視点で五十嵐を見ていたんだろうな。でも最初の頃、皆が小雲の湊に対する内面の思考を鵜呑みにしてたのには正直驚いたよ。まるで主人公が間違ったり、欠点を持ったり、過ちを犯すことがある作品を観たことがないみたいじゃないか。湊には救世主コンプレックスがあり、小雲はあまりにも否定的で判断が早すぎた。それが両者の状況を悪化させていたんだ。私の考察では、大した問題じゃなかったにせよ、両方に「非があった」のはかなり明白だったと思う。考察くん