氷の城壁

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認識
秋音に「桃香の応援してくれませんか」と言われ、もやもやとした気持ちを抱える小雪。体育祭当日、お互い意識し過ぎてぎくしゃくする小雪と湊を見ていた陽太は、小雪に「何か隠してることない?」と尋ねる。
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Didavi_
That has to be longest build-up for ED song so far lmao. Was gonna say something along the lines of "oh my sweet summer child" about miki but it seems like she's not that oblivious huh. Not to forget that we were blessed with multiple koyun facial expressions falling harder and harder for minato. I'm eating so so good rn (tsukiko could prolly relate)
草長すぎやろED曲www ミキのこと「おめぇ純粋すぎやで」って言おうと思ったけど、意外と気づいてるやん。 何より小春の表情がどんどん湊に落ちていくのがエグい。ワイもう大満足や(月子も同じ気持ちやろな)。2ちゃん
Frontier246
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Was gonna say something along the lines of "oh my sweet summer child" about miki but it seems like she's not that oblivious huh. You can see why Yota tried to hide his feelings as much as possible given the way she reacted to the idea of him being into her, but it was frankly inevitable it would blow up like this. Not to forget that we were blessed with multiple koyun facial expressions falling harder and harder for minato. She's at her absolute cutest when she's smiling, blushing, and shifting like a gremlin to secretly tell her dad about her crush.
ミキに「お前は純真すぎるよ」って言おうかと思ったけど、彼女も案外気づいてないわけじゃないんだな。ヨタが自分の気持ちを必死に隠そうとした理由もわかるよ、彼女が「まさか自分に気があるんじゃ」って反応したのを見ればね。でもこうなるのは避けられなかったんだろうな。そしてコユンがミナトにどんどん落ちていく表情が何度も見られたのは神回だったよ。笑顔で赤面しながら、ゴブリンみたいに動いて父親にこっそり恋バナする姿が最高に可愛い。普通くん
Tapwater_enthusiast
It is really cute that it was made the way it was - only Yota could hear it, not even us, the audience
ふむ…あのような作りにしたのが実に愛らしいでござるな。聞こえるのはヨウタのみ、我々観客でさえも聞けぬとは。武士
chawanakorn
I guess It's better for Minato to hear firsthand when Koyun actually confess which could be good moment for us, the audience.
ふむ…小絢が自らの想いを告げる瞬間、湊がその声を直接受け止めることこそ、我々観測者にとって最も神聖なる運命の一幕となるのだ。中二病
AccusingGojo
secretly tell her dad about her crush Lmao 🤣
こっそりパパに片思いのこと話すのワロタw🤣wwwおじ
Niwaka_Samurai
Indeed.. she sees her dad in him 😄
確かに。彼女の中では父親の面影が彼に重なってるんだろうな。ドライおじ
Ok-Cod5254
Whatever ED the next season will have is going to be a tough act to follow after this one... it's just too good with the lead in.
次シーズンのEDは今期の後だと大変そうだな…これがあまりにも良すぎて、前奏からの流れが完璧すぎるんだよね。普通くん
clone69
Ah, the Jojo curse. How do you even top Roundabout?
まあ、ジョジョの呪いってやつだな。Roundaboutを超えるのは難しいだろうな。ドライおじ
socialistRanter
I liked “walk like an Egyptian”
「walk like an Egyptian」って曲、好きだな普通くん
FastenedCarrot
JJK has somehow managed to replace all of its top tier OP and EDs every season
マジで呪術廻戦のOPとED、毎シーズン全部トップクラスに入れ替わってくのヤバすぎるッ!感情くん
nofaxxspitintruflego
WE'RE BEING STONEWALLED FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG?!?! 😭 😭 😭 my tummy was paining through this episode 😭
このエピソードずっとお腹いたかったわ…まさかこんなに引っ張られるとは思わなかったよ😭😭😭普通くん
sombraala
The ED transitions for this show are absolutely 🐐ed.
このアニメのEDへの入り方ガチで神すぎるやろwww2ちゃん
ModieOfTheEast
The ending song has been my favorite for this exact reason. While I like others more from a musical point, I just love endings that are incorporated like this into the end of the episode.
その通りだね。音楽的には他にも好きな曲はあるけど、エンディングがそのまま話の終わりに組み込まれてるのは最高だと思う。普通くん
eightcheesepizza
Of course Tsukiko is eating good, look at all the food she's gathered . [MarriageToxin] Hammu!
草、ツキコ飯ガチ勢すぎるやろwww 集めた食料見てみ?あれだけあれば余裕やん #婚活毒2ちゃん
Electronic-Ad8992
The author of Ramparts is a fan of MarriageToxin.
やばっ!氷の城壁の作者ってMarriageToxinのファンなんだ!まじでテンション上がるじゃん!ギャル
eightcheesepizza
Koyun is the true Beast Master - she's surrounded by a hamster, a gorilla, a giraffe, and a puppy.
コユンって本当にビーストマスターだよね。ハムスター、ゴリラ、キリン、子犬に囲まれてるし。普通くん
oops_i_made_a_typi
those hair buns are so cute, and love how they did the same "launching off" animation like Polar Opposites' Suzuki gets with hers
あのツインテほんと可愛いじゃん!しかもPolar OppositesのSuzukiみたいに同じ「飛び出し」アニメーションにしてるのやばくね!?まじ好きなんだけど笑ギャル
Leri_weill
I can't get enough of this ED and how the show manages the build ups every time, always makes me think of Toradora 's first ED build up
このED、何度聞いても飽き足らぬ。毎回の盛り上がりの演出、まさに神業でござる。思わず『とらドラ!』の初代EDの高まりを思い出してしまうで候。武士
captain_danky_kang
The ED with its transition has been one of my favorite things.
EDのトランジション、めっちゃ好きだわ。普通くん
Curmudge_Unit
One day we're going to get an episode where the ED lead up starts right after the OP.
草、いつかOP終わった直後にEDの前奏流れる回来るやろなwww2ちゃん
ThrowCarp
Miki's heart skipping a beat was kino though.
ミキの心臓が飛び跳ねたシーン、めっちゃ良かったな。普通くん
JJVM99
Related to Kohyun and Tsukiko muting the group chat. If IM in a big group chat mostly full of people I don’t know there’s no way i’m going to tolerate getting notifications for every single message.
コウヒョンとツキコがグループチャットをミュートする話か。知らん奴ばっかの大規模グループチャットで毎回通知来るのガチで無理やわ。2ちゃん
Frontier246
But it was also nice how the other guys genuinely wanted them to come to the party. They might think they're in their little introverted corner in the class but there are people who like having them around and hanging out with them. Even beyond the fact that Minato has a crush on Koyun and Hayato just wants to feel included in a class with his friends he's not even in.
他の連中が本当にパーティーに来てほしいと思ってたのが良かったね。彼らは教室の片隅で縮こまってると思ってるかもしれないけど、実際は一緒にいて楽しいと思ってる人たちがいるんだよ。湊が小雲に片思いしてるとか、隼人が自分のクラスじゃないのに友達と一緒にいたいって思ってるって話を抜きにしてもさ。普通くん
FabtheEmber
Omg yes. It was so wholesome to have side characters be just chill dudes. I am loving Minato's friends more n more. And having the guys invite the girls and then freak out later about talking to said girls was hilarious. Minato's friends were the unwitting wingmen in this setting hehe
確かに。サブキャラがただの良い奴らってのが本当に心地良いよな。氷の城壁において、湊の友人たちはどんどん魅力的に描かれている。彼らが女子を誘って後でテンパる流れは、まさにリアルな高校生の心理描写だと思う。そして、湊の友人たちが無自覚な恋のキューピッド役になってる構図、制作陣が意図的に仕込んだ人間関係の妙だよな。考察くん
ModieOfTheEast
I am glad it was really just that (can relate as well) because for a moment there, I thought this was a 4D move by Momoka inviting everyone except these two so she has a better shot at getting to Minato.
ふっ…我が直感が告げていた。一瞬、百百花がこの二人を除外することで湊への道を切り開く、四次元的戦略かと疑ったのだ。だが、ただの偶然だったのだな…我が経験にも通じる、運命の巡り合わせよ。中二病
NanDemoKnaives
I wouldn't put it past her lol.
彼女ならやりかねないよね(笑)普通くん
Kronman590
I feeeeel like so far shes been doing everything to maintain plausible deniability Not deliberately taking a picture with both Koyuki and Minato is realistically ok (even down to directly asking Koyuki to take it) but if she was in charge of the invites and left people out thatd be more sus
ワイ的には今んとこ彼女、言い訳できるラインは全部キープしてる気がするンゴwww わざわざ小雪と湊の両方と一緒に写らないようにしてるのは現実的にセーフやろ(小雪に直接撮影頼んでる時点でな) でも招待状の管理してる立場で誰か外したらそらもう完全にアウトやわ2ちゃん
HornedTurtle1212
She probably realized that they weren't "responding" to the chat and just "forgot" to mention it to them in person.
なるほど!彼女は「チャットに返事してない」って気づいたんじゃなくて、直接言い忘れただけってことか。しんどいな…確かにそういうミスあるよね。感情くん
Kronman590
Werent the invites sent like a few minutes before it was brought up? Momoka is in a different class altogether so she wouldnt have even been physically able to bring it up
マジで?招待送ったのって、その話が出る数分前じゃなかったっけ?笑 ももかって別のクラスじゃん?てか物理的にその話を持ち出すことすらできないじゃん!ギャル
JJVM99
I didn’t think about it because they cleared it up so fast but I don’t blame you, I am also feeling that way about Momoka and just assuming the worse about her at all times (which may be wrong but I don’t trust her).
せやな、すぐに片付いたからあんま考えてなかったけど、ワイもモモカには常に疑いの目で見てるンゴwww(間違ってるかもやけど、信用できへんわ)2ちゃん
Kronman590
I feel like the trend so far has been presenting characters as 1 dimensionally bad but showing how it can be a misunderstanding Momoka is definitely an obstacle in the Koyunato ship but I think shes just taking the free opportunity she has, and if they actually get together she wouldnt try to break them up or anything (I hope)
これまでの傾向として、キャラを単純な悪役として描きつつ誤解の可能性も示してきたと思うんだよな。ももかは明らかに小由奈とのカップリングの障害になってるけど、彼女は単に目の前のチャンスを活かしてるだけだという考察ができる。実際に2人がくっついたら、彼女が邪魔しようとはしないと思う(願望も込めて)。考察くん
Niwaka_Samurai
Momoka is definitely an obstacle in the Koyunato ship but I think shes just taking the free opportunity she has, and if they actually get together she wouldnt try to break them up or anything (I hope) Yeah, I hope too LOL 'cause she might reveal her true colours only then
ももかは小結奈トの邪魔になる存在だと思うけど、今あるチャンスをただ掴んでるだけだよね。もし2人が本当に付き合うなら、ももかは邪魔しないと思う(願望)。俺もそう願うわ笑、その時に本性出しそうで怖いけど。普通くん
PakiIronman
I love that they're both in sync with that too, and that they'll be in the corner of the party together lol
わかる!ふたりで完全にシンクロしてるの最高すぎるッ!パーティー会場の隅っこで一緒にいるのエモすぎて泣いたw感情くん
mastereluder6
You won’t, that’s why you mute and check it at your convenience
まじでそれな!笑 だからミュートしといて好きなときにチェックするのが正解じゃん?ギャル
toxispice
That's just how it is in high school tho, group chats are pretty important in high school social life.
確かに高校だとそうだよね。グループチャットって高校の人間関係では結構大事なんだよな。普通くん
FastenedCarrot
My child will use do not disturb
「マイチャイルドは絶対マナーモードにするわw」wwwおじ
ThrowCarp
Too many normies. Reeeeeee.
草、ノルミー多すぎてキレそうンゴwwww2ちゃん
BlazeBloom
Yota getting the star treatment this episode. Minato being envious, Koyun trusting him with her little secret and then saving Miki from the falling boxes. The upcoming party looks to be quite lively...
今週の陽太はまさに主人公待遇だったな。湊の嫉妬、小雲が秘密を打ち明けてくれた信頼関係、そしてミキを落下物から救うシーン…。これらを踏まえると、今後のパーティーはかなり賑やかになる伏線だと思われる。考察くん
Leri_weill
I'm anime-only but I can feel the drama from miles away. If Momoka manages to make a move on Minato during the party and the season ends on that I'm gonna be MAD, the ep drops on my birthday too lmao
やばっ!アニメ勢なんだけど、もうドロドロ展開が遠くからでも伝わってくるんだけど笑 もしももかがパーティーで湊にアプローチして、そのままシーズン終わったらまじでキレるわ!しかも誕生日にそのエピソード配信とかウケるんだけどwギャル
Roskal
If they cliffhanger us we better get s2 announced for winter.
もしここで続きが気になる終わり方したら、冬にS2発表してくれよな。普通くん
ptd163
Winter? Why not Fall? It'd be cool if we got the back-to-back-to-back-to-back of Polar Opposites S1, Ramparts of Ice S1, Polar Opposites S2, and Ramparts of Ice S2.
冬?なんで秋じゃないんや?ポーラー・オポジットS1→氷の城壁S1→ポーラー・オポジットS2→氷の城壁S2って4連続で見れたらガチで熱いンゴwww2ちゃん
Roskal
That's what I meant I got it mixed up.
ああ、そういうことか。俺が間違って覚えてたわ。普通くん
NethanielShade
I really hope this happens. Is Ramparts doing well enough numbers for something like that, though? Do we even know, since it's a Netflix anime?
激アツすぎるッ!!めっちゃ実現してほしい!!でもNetflixのアニメだから数字がどうなのか全然わかんないんだよな…Rampartsの視聴率的に大丈夫なのかな?しんどい。感情くん
EatSleepReadRepeat1
Oh no no no please not that kind of cliff hanger 🙈 Then Netflix will release the next season after no one knows when?? 😵‍💫
やばやばやば!まじでその引きはありえないんだけど🙈 そしたらNetflixが次のシーズンいつ出すか分かんないじゃん!?😵‍💫ギャル
Frontier246
I imagine Minato is going to make sure Koyun and maybe Tsukiko both feel welcomed and enjoy the party along with everybody else instead of sitting in the corner together like they planed.
湊は小雲と月子が隅っこで一緒に座る計画を無視して、ちゃんとパーティーを楽しめるように気を配りそうだね。普通くん
2011Dirk
原文
another amazing episode, poor minato he was going through it quite a bit this episode, koyun telling her feelings to yota was nice to see, "we'll be twins," "no thanks" made me laugh miki finally realized that yota has feelings for her, and of course when you hear the outro music you know whats coming next.... all of this buildup for next episode, next episode will be generational, i live for koyun x minato
今回も素晴らしいエピソードだった。湊の心情描写はかなり丁寧で、彼が抱える苦悩がよく伝わってきたな。小雲が陽太に想いを伝えるシーンは良い演出だった。「双子になろう」「遠慮しとく」のやり取りには思わず笑った。そして三紀が陽太の気持ちにようやく気づいた点は、1話からの伏線が回収された感がある。エンディング曲が流れるタイミングの演出は、次回への期待を最大限に引き立てる意図が感じられる。次回は世代を超える名回になる予感。小雲×湊の展開を考察するのが待ちきれない。考察くん
Frontier246
I love how Minato and Koyun are both really believably awkward teens mutually falling for each other and having no idea what to do about it lol.
草ァ!湊と小雲のガチで不器用な両片思いが最高すぎるンゴwww お互い好き同士なのに何していいかわからん感じがリアルすぎてワイもにやけてまうわ2ちゃん
RPO777
That's the thing I really appreciate about Agasawa's writing. She writes such well realized believable characters. Even like minor characters in her works tend to react in ways that feel like real people, instead of props. I love it.
確かに阿賀沢さんのキャラクター描写はすごいよね。脇役でさえちゃんと人間らしく動く感じがする。ただの小道具みたいに扱わないところが本当に良いと思う。普通くん
ptd163
Whatever Agasawa writes next is going to have so much more hype and expectations after these two excellent adaptations spread the word on how good of a writer she is.
マジでアガサワ先生が次に書く作品、期待値爆上がりすぎるッ!この2つのアニメ化が完璧すぎて、先生の才能が世界中に知れ渡ったもんな……次の発表が待ちきれない!感情くん
Ordinal43NotFound
Manifesting the [You and I are Polar Opposites manga] Tairazuma college spinoff
【翻訳】 「君と僕は正反対」の大学スピンオフ、ガチで来てほしいンゴwww マニフェストしとくわ2ちゃん
Kronman590
The fact that this is one of the very few romances that actually have characters acknowledge their own feelings and even other people's feelings so much more believably fast than other works is such a nice change of pace
この作品って、他の作品よりずっと早くてリアルにキャラクターたちが自分の気持ちや他人の気持ちを認め合う数少ない恋愛ものの一つなんだよね。その点がすごく新鮮でいいなと思う。普通くん
RPO777
I like Polar Opposites a lot too by Agawawa, which has an interesting strcuture of having 1 relationship that's depicts a new couple dating, 1 more conventional "getting together" story, and 1 "extreme slow burn" which creates a nice balance. I know a lot of people complain about them, but I happen to like slooooooow burns, as long as they're well and realistically written lol.
アガワワの『Polar Opposites』もかなりいいよね。あの作品は、新しいカップルのデートを描く関係性、よりオーソドックスな「くっつく」展開、そして「極限スローバーン」の3つをバランスよく配置した構造が面白いんだよな。スローバーンに文句言う人も多いけど、ちゃんとリアルに描かれてるなら俺はむしろ好きだなって思う。考察くん
Kronman590
TairAzuma my beloved I cant wait for s2
TairAzumaマジで大好きすぎるッ!S2待ちきれない!感情くん
FabtheEmber
Ppl complain about slow burns but then the slow burn couple ultimately becomes the most popular and beloved lol. Also I completely agree. In fact a well written slow burn often stays with me way way more than quick relationships. Because you start rooting for them and struggle with them so much
確かに。みんなスローバーンには文句言うけど、結局そのカップルが一番人気になるんだよね笑。俺も完全に同意。ちゃんと書かれたスローバーンは、急な関係よりずっと心に残るんだよ。応援したくなるし、一緒に悩むからね。普通くん
RPO777
One of my all time favorite romances is Maison Ikkoku which js a consummate slow burn lol.
わかるッ!『めぞん一刻』はマジで至高のラブストーリーだよね…あの超スローペースな展開がたまらなくエモすぎるッ!最高!感情くん
profdeadpool
The real problem with slow burns is how they tend to end very soon after the couple gets together, and people don't like that, but rather just blaming it on a bad ending, they blame it on the series being a slow burn in full.
確かに。スローバーン作品ってカップルがくっついた直後に終わっちゃうことが多いんだよね。みんなそれが嫌で、単に終わり方が悪いだけなのに「スローバーンだからダメ」って決めつけてる気がする。普通くん
FabtheEmber
True.. Most stories don't really know how to do couples after getting together well and keep audience interested other than adding side couples. Like I don't know any story where a couple got together early and ppl or even me wanted more of the couple way down the line. Also, another thing is lots of shojo only get 1 season anime so most of their after dating phase is in the manga. But true!!
せやな…カップル成立後の関係性を上手く描ける作品ってホンマ少ないわ。サイドカップル追加以外で視聴者を惹きつけるの難しいし。ワイも「早い段階でくっついたカップルのその後もっと見たい!」って思える作品あんまり知らんわ。 ついでに言うと、多くの少女漫画アニメは1期しかないから、付き合ってからの話はほぼ漫画でしか読めんのもな…でもマジでそれな!!2ちゃん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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PakiIronman
Koyun and Yota have such a great friendship, though it's so funny to see their mutual support for each other be misinterpreted as romance by their peers
コユンとヨウタの友情いいよね。でも周りから恋愛関係って誤解されてるの見ると笑えるわ。普通くん
chhuang
their chemistry is way too good for people to second guess "they don't look like it, but... are they tho?"
この2人のケミストリーガチで良すぎやろ。「見た目はあれだけど…まさか?」って疑う余地すらねえわ草2ちゃん
JJVM99
原文
Kohyun and Yota now understand they feel the same about Minato and Miki but we have seen that only Minato feels that way back towards Kohyun. The dialogue made me feel like Miki saw the way Yota has acted all along as fake now and that he was only being so nice all this time because he had feelings for her. I really hope that I am misreading her reaction and that she isn’t feeling betrayed by Yota because that would be sad for her to see it that way and we know Yota wouldn’t be fake towards Miki. The boy was ready to supress his feelings forever to not make things akward between them so it would be terrible for her to realize and see it in the worst way possible.
コウヒョンとヨウタはお互いにミナトとミキに対して同じ気持ちだと気づいたけど、ミナトだけがコウヒョンにその気持ちを向けてるのは明らかだよね。この会話を見て、ミキはヨウタの今までの態度が偽物だったと感じたんじゃないかな。ずっと優しかったのも実は気持ちがあったからだって。ミキの反応を読み違えてることを願うよ。彼女がヨウタに裏切られたと感じるのは悲しすぎるし、ヨウタがミキに偽りの態度を取るわけがないからね。あの男は気まずくなるのを避けるために自分の気持ちを永遠に抑え込もうとしてたんだ。それが最悪な形で彼女に気づかれるのは辛すぎる。普通くん
Frontier246
I remember in the last episode or so Miki talked about how much she treasures how she and Yota are just friends and she neve has to worry about any kind of relationship baggage or expectations when she's with him. This basically flipped that on its head for her.
最後の方の回でミキが「陽太とはただの友達でいられるから気楽でいい」みたいなこと言ってたの覚えてるわ。今回の展開でそれがガラッとひっくり返ったンゴwww ミキちゃん混乱してて草2ちゃん
Roskal
Its probably her gut reactions. Yota is really nice to Koyun too and he doesn't like her romantically.
多分彼女の直感だと思う。陽太は小春にも優しいけど、恋愛感情はないんだよね。普通くん
Kronman590
But she thinks the opposite potentially....
でも彼女は逆に考えてるかもしれない…それがしんどすぎるッ!感情くん
tofuwu17
i do get miki though. i was in her place before and was in denial. it’s easy to wonder if the good treatment is genuine or just because a guy wants something more. that i’m not enough as just a friend.
ミキの気持ちは理解できるな。以前同じ立場で、自分も否認してた時期があった。親切な扱いが本心なのか、それとも男が何か求めてるからなのか、考え込むのは簡単だ。「ただの友達」じゃ不十分なのかってね。この葛藤、氷の城壁のテーマにも通じる考察ができる。考察くん
fireburn97ffgf
Honestly the girls of the group need to have a moment to talk stuff out, because it doesn't take a genius with the new information that kohyun knew and could contextualize stuff, at least as dc.
確かに女の子たちだけで話し合う場が必要だよね。コヒョンがDCとして知ってた情報を考えれば、彼女がいろいろ整理できたのは明らかだし。普通くん
TheMistOfThePast
原文
I Hope miki talks to Koyun and that Koyun says the right thing to miki. but i do ultimately think that Yota's words to Miki at the end here will make a huge impact if she thinks long enough. "It's not because you're a woman, it's because you're miki" I think miki always wwants to be loved for her true self. that's why she stopped faking. I think she needs to figure out that yota loves miki genuinely and truly, and not in the way that other boys have loved miki. she really just needs time to sit with this realisation, chill with her friends, and actually think it out.
美紀がコユンと話し合い、コユンが適切な言葉をかけてくれることを願う。ただ最終的に、陽太が美紀に放った「女だからじゃない、美紀だからだ」という言葉は、彼女がじっくり考えれば大きな影響を与えると思う。美紀は常に本当の自分を愛されたいと願っていて、だから偽るのをやめたんだ。彼女は陽太が他の男たちとは違い、心から自分を愛していると気づく必要がある。彼女に必要なのは、この気づきと向き合う時間、友人と過ごし、じっくり考えることだけだろう。考察くん
shewy92
It did seem to me that Miki thinks Yota might have just been pretending to be friends to get with her or that all the nice things he did had ulterior motives. Either that or she feels guilty for maybe stringing him along or not seeing the signs.
美紀はヨータが友達のふりして近づいてきたんじゃないかとか、親切の裏に下心があったんじゃないかって考えてるみたいだね。あるいは、自分がヨータを曖昧にしてた罪悪感とか、サインに気づけなかった後悔があるのかも。普通くん
DevelopmentFair1762
原文
Best episode of the series and up there with the best the entire season for me! Miki's realization about Yota's feelings and how that completely changes their entire friend group was both exhilarating and saddening at the same time. Feels like she started to shut down, but it only made me more hyped to see how the season concludes and what happens after when I read the manga in a week. I have to give Koucha Agasawa props for how well written the characters are in both this and You and I are Polar Opposites. Both fall into the small category of high school romances where every character feels relatable in different ways. You feel the emotions the characters are going through and the personal nature of them make the shows much more enjoyable for me. I love realistic drama in romance, so I think this episode puts Ramparts of Ice ahead of Polar Opposites for me now (both are a 9 out of 10 for me). Praying that season 2 is this fall, so we can have a full year of peak high school romance every week.
シリーズ最高の回やったわ、今期全体でもトップクラスやろ!ミキがヨタの気持ちに気づいて、グループの関係がガラッと変わる展開、興奮と切なさが同時に来て草。ミキがシャットダウンし始めた感じがしたけど、むしろ最終回への期待が爆上がりや。マンガ読むのが楽しみすぎるンゴ。 アガサワコウチャのキャラ描写マジで上手いわ。『君と僕は正反対』も含めて、どのキャラにも共感できる稀有な学園ラブストーリーや。感情移入しまくって個人の内面にフォーカスするところがワイ的には最高やな。 リアルな恋愛ドラマが好きやから、この回で『氷の城壁』が『正反対』を超えたわ(両方9/10やけど)。シーズン2が今秋に来て、週刊ピーク学園ラブストーリーが1年続くことを祈るンゴwww2ちゃん
Frontier246
I also like how you can see the slow burn of KoyunxMinato finally blossoming into romance in such a believable and genuine way because Agasawa-sensei took the time to build up to it and make it feel like a natural progression of their relationship from rocky first start to one-sided crush to friendship to obliviously mutual crushing.
小糸×湊のじわじわ燃える関係がようやく恋愛へと開花していく様子が見られるのがいいよね。阿賀沢先生が時間をかけて構築したからこそ、険悪な出会いから片思い、友情、そしてお互い気づかない両想いへと自然な流れで進んでて、すごくリアルで納得できるんだ。普通くん
FabtheEmber
Also, one thing I am noticing is how much Koyun keeps laughing at Minato's antics. Like him fixing his hair to get a better shot. Or him saying I read the book in 2 days to Yota. Like she loves his childish side n it shows. She is in that phase where everything her crush does is funny n adorable. Same with Minato laughing at her weird photo when Momoka shows them
コユンが湊の行動にどれだけ笑っているか気になるな。例えば、髪を整えて写真を撮り直す場面や、陽太に「2日で本読んだ」と言うところとか。彼女は湊の子供っぽい部分を愛しているのが伝わってくる。まさに恋する相手の行動が全部面白くて可愛く見えるフェーズだよな。同様に、ももかが変な写真を見せた時に湊が笑うのも同じ構図だと思われる。考察くん
Ikari_21
Oh to be young again
若返りたい…切なすぎるッ!感情くん
oops_i_made_a_typi
I love realistic drama in romance, so I think this episode puts Ramparts of Ice ahead of Polar Opposites for me now (both are a 9 out of 10 for me). yeah i'm absolutely giddy with the spice that Ramparts offers over Polar. Feel good fluff is very enjoyable and all, but this is another level of delectability
このエピソード、恋愛におけるリアリズム描写が秀逸だったな。個人的には『氷の城壁』が『正反対な君と僕』を上回った感がある(両方9/10評価だけど)。『正反対』の心地よい甘さも良いが、『氷の城壁』が提供するスパイスの効いた展開は格別だ。単なる癒し系では到達できない、もう一段階上の美味しさという考察ができる。考察くん
f0remsics
God that outro music is good. It may as well be the new "Roundabout" with how every episode has been ending on a cliffhanger
あのED曲めっちゃ良いよな。毎回クリフハンガーで終わるから、もう新しい「Roundabout」って言ってもいいレベルだと思う普通くん
Wurzelrenner
I don't know why not more shows are doing these ending transitions, they are always awesome
確かに!なんで他のアニメもこのED演出やらないんだろう…毎回めっちゃカッコいいし最高すぎるッ!感情くん
Oden_sama__
Another one that comes to mind is Hunting for Your Dream during Yorknew City The cliffhangers always destroyed me
ヨークシン編の夢追い狩りマジで草 毎回クリフハンガーでワイの心が破壊されるンゴwww2ちゃん
f0remsics
I just recently started watching Hunter hunter, and finished the Yorknew City arc last night. It's so good
Hunter x Hunterを最近見始めたんだけど、昨夜ヨークシンシティ編を終えたんだ!めっちゃ良すぎるッ!感情くん
Own_Caterpillar_6178
Makeine also did it some episodes
確かにメイクインも数話でやってたね普通くん
abandoned_idol
Yep. Every time I hear the outro, I yelp out "drama" and start dancing.
わかる!毎回エンディング聴くたびに「ドラマ〜!」って叫びながら踊りだすわ。優勝すぎるッ!感情くん
oops_i_made_a_typi
when the lyrics kick in is such a great time to rock out after that slow build of the piano lead in
歌詞が入るところ、ピアノのゆったりした導入からの流れがめっちゃ盛り上がるタイミングだよね普通くん
08Dreaj08
Haha, I do something similar as well 😆. Squeal and start dancing lol
わかる!俺も同じことするわwww キャーって叫んで踊り始めるやつwww感情くん
MF_LUFFY
It's such a bop and fucking Netflix tries to cut it off half the time. I'm almost as offended as I was when it tried to autoskip the Gurren Lagann opening.
この曲マジで良すぎるのに、Netflixが半分くらいで勝手に切ろうとするんだよね。グレンラガンのOPを自動スキップしようとした時と同じくらいムカついてるわ。普通くん
cyberdsaiyan
I've been searching everywhere for a version of that song with the piano included, or at least just that piano section without any of the other sounds. I hope they do an official release soon.
わかるッ!あのピアノ入りのバージョン、ずっと探してたんだよな…他の音なしでピアノだけのやつも欲しすぎる。公式リリース早くしてくれ〜ッ!感情くん
NethanielShade
What do you mean? The Apple Music version has the piano for the first 10 seconds, can't speak for other platforms because I don't use Spotify or anything, but I'd be surprised if their version was different? Ninja: The official version on YouTube is the same as the Apple Music version...
どういうこと?Apple Music版は最初の10秒にピアノ入ってるよ。他のプラットフォームは使ってないからわからないけど、Spotifyとかで違うバージョンだったら驚きだな。Ninja: YouTubeの公式版もApple Music版と同じだよ。普通くん
cyberdsaiyan
I'm talking about the version of the song with the slow piano buildup included, the one that plays during every ED. It's not 10 seconds, it plays slow for quite a bit longer than that before kicking into the main song, and the lyrics don't start at where the official version starts either.
あの曲の話か。EDで流れるピアノのゆっくりした導入部分込みのバージョンやろ?10秒なんかじゃないンゴwww メインの曲に入るまで結構長くスローな部分が続くし、公式版とは歌詞の入りも違うんやで。ワイもそこ好きやわ。2ちゃん
NethanielShade
I honestly thought it was just a loop of the first 10 seconds of piano tbh.
正直最初の10秒のピアノがループしてるだけかと思ったわ笑感情くん
NethanielShade
Sakasama is definitely my favorite ED of the season, potentially the year.
逆さまは今期で一番好きなEDだな、もしかしたら今年一番かもしれない。普通くん
Auron15
Progress is being made! With Miki noticing how Yota feels, it seems like the status quo that Koyun and Yota are trying to keep is about to be disrupted. I hope Miki doesn’t do anything weird because she thinks Koyun likes Yota 😞
進展が見られるな。ミキが陽太の気持ちに気づいたことで、小雲と陽太が維持しようとしている現状が崩れ去ろうとしている。ミキが小雲は陽太のことが好きだと誤解して変な行動に出なければいいんだが…😞考察くん
Frontier246
原文
I had a feeling that something was going to shake things up the moment Yota and Koyun both acknowledged they had no intention of acting on their feelings and protect the friend group. Something had to give. At the very least this might be the slow end to Miki thinking YotaxKoyun is the absolute ship because even if she doesn't have feelings for Yota or wants to get in the way of the feelings she thinks Koyun has for Yota, she now knows Yota doesn't feel that way about Koyun.
陽太と小雲がお互い「気持ちには動かない」「友達グループを守りたい」って認めた時点で、何かが変わる気はしてたんだよね。どうしても限界が来るもんだ。少なくとも、ミキが「陽太×小雲が絶対カップル」って思ってるのはゆっくり終わりに向かうかも。彼女が陽太に恋してなくて、小雲の気持ちを邪魔したくなくても、陽太が小雲にそういう気持ちじゃないって分かったからね。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
Poor Tsukiko. I mean, I am already frustratingly punching the air just watching from a different dimension, but this poor girl has to live it. But at least, when it comes to Yota we finally have some progress. At least Miki realized it. Not sure how good this will be for the relationship but it can only get better from here. Hopefully. As for Minato and Koyun, I mean, at this point, I am just waiting for another Momoka bomb to drop, because otherwise, I feel they will just dodge around the issue forever. For as much as I don't like her, at least, she can move these two immovable objects. On the more positive side, I thought the hair cuts looked nice. They should change them around more often. And everyone had their fun little moment during the sports festival as well. Miki winning the rope pulling (or something similar) by herself was definitely something I was hoping to see.
ツキコかわいそうすぎるやろ……ワイは別次元から見てるだけでイライラして空気パンチしてるのに、本人はリアルで味わってるとか草。でも少なくともヨータの方は進展あったな。ミキが気づいたし。関係にどう影響するかは知らんが、ここから良くなるしかない……たぶんな。ミナトとコユンは、もうモモカの爆弾が落ちるの待つしかないわ。あの女いなくちゃ永遠にすれ違い続けるやろ。ワイは嫌いやけど、あいつだけはこの動かん岩を動かせる。ポジティブな話としては、髪型変えたの良かったな。もっと頻繁に変えろや。体育祭もみんな楽しそうで何より。ミキが綱引き一人で勝ったのはガチで見たかったシーンやったわ。2ちゃん
Frontier246
原文
Poor Tsukiko. I mean, I am already frustratingly punching the air just watching from a different dimension, but this poor girl has to live it. But at least, when it comes to Yota we finally have some progress. At least Miki realized it. Not sure how good this will be for the relationship but it can only get better from here. Hopefully. I don't think it's a positive how much she seems to viscerally react negatively to his feelings, but it's still probably better to have that out there than have Yota keep suffering in the friendzone while Miki is oblivious. As for Minato and Koyun, I mean, at this point, I am just waiting for another Momoka bomb to drop, because otherwise, I feel they will just dodge around the issue forever. For as much as I don't like her, at least, she can move these two immovable objects. I think the fact that Koyun is clearly uncomfortable every time she sees Momoka and Minato together is telling that she at least on some level doesn't want to see him with someone else, even if she'd never admit it to herself. Whether she might do something about that is probably a different issue. On the more positive side, I thought the hair cuts looked nice. They should change them around more often. And everyone had their fun little moment during the sports festival as well. Miki winning the rope pulling (or something similar) by herself was definitely something I was hoping to see. Koyun should braid her hair more often.
ツキコがかわいそうだな。別次元から見てるだけでもイライラしてるのに、彼女はそれを実際に生きなきゃいけないんだから。でも少なくともヨウタに関しては進展があった。ミキが気づいたのは大きい。関係にどう影響するかはわからないけど、ここから良くなるしかないはず…願わくば。彼女が彼の気持ちにこれほど嫌悪感を示すのはポジティブじゃないけど、ミキが気づかずにヨウタが片思いで苦しむよりはマシだと思う。ミナトとコユンについては、もうモモカの爆弾が落ちるのを待ってるだけだな。そうじゃなきゃ永遠に問題を避け続けそうだし。彼女は好きじゃないけど、少なくともこの二人の動かない岩を動かせる存在ではある。コユンがモモカとミナトが一緒にいるところを見るたびに明らかに居心地悪そうなのは、自分では認めなくても少なくともどこかで彼が他の誰かといるのを見たくないってことの表れだと思う。それに対して何か行動するかはまた別問題だけど。ポジティブな面としては、ヘアカットは良かったと思う。もっと頻繁に変えてもいいかも。体育祭でもみんな楽しそうだったし。ミキが綱引き(か何か)を一人で勝ったのは見たかった光景だ。コユンはもっと三つ編みにした方がいい。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I don't think it's a positive how much she seems to viscerally react negatively to his feelings, but it's still probably better to have that out there than have Yota keep suffering in the friendzone while Miki is oblivious. I really hope this is just the first reaction and she realizes later on that Yota is doing what she always wanted. Which is to have someone that loves her for herself and not who they think she is. I think the fact that Koyun is clearly uncomfortable every time she sees Momoka and Minato together is telling that she at least on some level doesn't want to see him with someone else, even if she'd never admit it to herself. Whether she might do something about that is probably a different issue. Which is why I kind of hope that Momoka really goes into wanting to be with Minato. Like obviously, I don't want her to actually succeed but I feel, at this point, it's the best shot we have for Koyun to make up her mind.
彼女が彼の気持ちに対してあそこまで本能的に拒絶反応を示すのはポジティブとは言えないが、それでもミキが気付かずヨタが友達ゾーンで苦しみ続けるよりは、感情を表に出した方がマシだと思う。これはあくまで最初の反応で、後になってヨタが彼女の望んでいたことをしていると気付くことを願う——つまり、自分のイメージではなく、ありのままの自分を愛してくれる人がいるということに。小絢がモモカと湊が一緒にいるのを見るたび明らかに不快そうなのは、少なくとも無意識レベルでは彼を他の誰かに渡したくないという証拠だ。それを行動に移すかは別問題だが、だからこそモモカが本気で湊を狙ってほしいとも思う。もちろん成功してほしいわけじゃないが、現時点では小絢が決心する最良のきっかけだと考察できる。考察くん
Zeallfnonex
I feel that Tsukiko's ready to heat up some popcorn and just enjoy watching at this point... Like yeah, she's cheering them on but at the same time it feels like she's watching a wildlife documentary 😆
ツキコ、もうポップコーン準備して観戦モード入ってるンゴwww 応援しつつも、どっかで野生動物のドキュメンタリー見てる感出てて草w2ちゃん
FarCritical
Tsukiko's chibi form with double buns sure looks familiar. Can't quite put my finger on why though . All things considered Yota's done a more than decent job at masking his crush. Just kinda unfortunate (or fortunate depending on how you look at it) that it had to be peeled off so suddenly.
月子のちびフォルムでツインテール姿、なんか見覚えあるんだよな。でも理由がはっきり思い出せないんだよね…。全体的に見て、陽太は自分の恋心をかなり上手く隠せてたと思う。それが急に剥がされちゃったのはちょっと残念(見方によっては幸運だけど)。普通くん
sunnydayz57
It's so interesting just seeing how so many themes and visual gags carried over from Ramparts to Polar Opposites, which was the mangaka's second published work. Tsukiko has a similar look and personality to Nishi too.
ワイ、ランページからポーラー・オポジット(作者の2作目)に引き継がれてるテーマや視覚ギャグの多さに草生えたわ。ツキコの見た目と性格、西にも似とるやん。2ちゃん
oops_i_made_a_typi
i wonder if there was fan demand for Tsukiko to get her own romance that led to that
え、てかツキコに恋愛ルートを求めるファンの声があったのかな?それでそうなったとか!?ギャル
08Dreaj08
Glory to the double buns 🙇🏾‍♂️
ダブルお団子に栄光あれッ!🙇🏾‍♂️感情くん
shapeeq
Koyun's friendship with Yota beats out every ship in this series. Probably the best portrayal of a male / female friendship i've ever seen.
コユンと陽太の友情、このシリーズで一番のカップリングやろ。男と女の友情の描き方としてはワイが今まで見た中でダントツやわ。ガチで草。2ちゃん
Ok-Cod5254
Yeah, their dynamic has been great and remains to be my favorite dynamic of the series so far.
わかるッ!この2人の関係性が最高すぎる。シリーズ通してずっと推しカップルだわ。エモすぎて泣ける。感情くん
EatSleepReadRepeat1
原文
This episode brought up that feelings from years ago. Watching Miki unravel Yota’s feeling for her made me remember a friend of mine who confessed to me. We were friends for many years and I didn’t realize that he developed a feeling for me. It made me feel sad because I thought he was my friend and that we are friends but idk I felt like I lost a friend. He was a good friend and then was he being a friend or was he good because he has feelings. I can’t put my feelings into words properly I don’t think it’s right to say I felt deceived or whatnot but up until now still can’t find the right words. Miki’s reaction as she discovers Yota’s feelings for her made me think that must be how I looked like (not too animated though).
このエピソード、昔の感情を思い出させたな。ミキがヨータの気持ちに気づくシーン見て、昔俺に告白してきた友達を思い出したよ。長年友達だったのに、まさか彼がそんな風に思ってたなんて気づかなくてさ。友達だと思ってたのに、なんかその関係を失った気がして悲しかった。いいやつだったんだけど、あれって友達としての優しさだったのか、それとも恋愛感情があったからなのか、今でもうまく言葉にできない。騙されたって言うのは違う気がするけど、適切な表現が見つからないんだ。ミキの反応見て、あれが当時の俺の顔だったんだろうなって思ったよ(アニメほど大げさじゃなかったけど)。普通くん