ImoutoCompAlex
魔警団の疑念
ココとアガットは土砂崩れに巻き込まれたクスタスの救出に成功したが、ココの魔法は予想以上の威力で周囲一帯を砂に変えてしまう。駆けつけた魔警団のイースヒースは禁止魔法が使われたと判断し、2人を拘束する。
エピソードサムネイル
原文
# Witch Hat Atelier Episode 8 Discussion Thread # Season 1 Episode 8 **Aired**: 18th May, 2026 # Join the Discord server for regular updates and more discussion on the series **Streams** * Crunchyroll Also available on other streaming services like Netflix (in Japan) depending on your region. **Show information** * MyAnimeList * Official Website * **Please follow the** **rules** **of the subreddit.** # Keep your comments spoiler-safe: If you want to discuss spoilers, use the subreddit discord server
ちょっと展開が早かった気がするけど、その分キャラの心情が丁寧に描かれててよかった。作画も安定してたし、次回が楽しみだね。普通くん
thelightlovekindled
People last week: obviously Qifrey will show up to save her, it's so predictable Richeh doing her best missile impression: hold my beer
先週の連中「どうせキーファーが助けに来るんだろ、読めるわ」とか言ってたやん リチェのミサイル特攻「ちょっと待ってろ」草ァ!2ちゃん
davicos2005
IBR: intercontinental ballistic Richeh
IBR:大陸間弾道リチェかよw普通くん
funne5t_u5ername
Fr, I'm spotty on the manga and mostly remember raincleaver at Easthies' throat so I really did not expect Richeh to come in so clutch and for him to basically be the last one on scene
まじで!?漫画あんま覚えてなくてイースヒーズの喉にレインクリーバー突きつけてたシーンしか記憶にないんだけど、リチェがこんなに大活躍するとは思わなかったし、しかも彼が最後の一人ってやばくね!?ギャル
HeavyBluebird6495
For manga reader, this scene hits hard.
漫画読者としては、このシーン無理すぎるッ!泣いた…まじで泣いた…エモすぎる。感情くん
Prof_Acorn
I thought you were going to say >!Dagda begging Luluci to care for Custas!<.
「DagdaがLuluciにCustasの世話頼むシーンかと思ったわw」wwwおじ
TherealRidetherails
That too, >!It's fun to see the set up for events I know will happen in the future!<
それもそうだし、>!これから起こることがわかってる展開の布石を見るのが楽しいんだよな!エモすぎるッ!<感情くん
TrueDog0419
Spoil bro, I wanna know
ネタバレしてくれよ、知りたいんだ普通くん
p1ckl3b4ck
I've never noticed >!tassels as much as I do with this story!< , especially now that I'm revisiting it. So much >!subtext in such a small object!<.
やばっ!この作品読んでるとき、タッセルめっちゃ気になっちゃうんだけど笑 特に今読み返してるんだけどさ、あんな小さなものに超深い意味が込められてるんだよね!ギャル
SugarAndScarves
I loved this scene so much!!!! Omg it's so cute with the animated tassels
このシーンめっちゃ好き!!!タッセルが動いてるのめっちゃ可愛いじゃん普通くん
J9J__
i was like What? then it all hit me again
何……?と我が心がざわつき、再び真実の波動が全身を貫いたのだ。中二病
Character_Drive6141
Yeah, especially the newest. (chapter 94ish?)
最新話(94話辺り?)がガチでヤバかったンゴwww2ちゃん
bonchen
That exchange between Qifrey and Easthies....there is some serious animosity there lol. Also Easthies beef with 12 year olds continues...focusing on mind wiping kids over helping the common folk. Typical cop behavior.
キーフリーとイースヒーズのやり取り、めっちゃ険悪だなw それにイースヒーズの12歳児いじめまだ続いてるのかよ…民衆助けるより子供の記憶消すことに必死。典型的なポリ公だな。普通くん
The_Blip
First we will mind wipe our suspects, then we will interrogate them to determine their guilt! With those investigative skills, it's no wonder the brimmed caps are traipsing around free, handing out magical anarchist cookbooks to children. They could leave witnesses and the Knights Moralis will zoom over to cover up the crime, patting themselves on the back while doing so.
まず容疑者の記憶を消してから尋問して有罪を確定させるってわけか……。その捜査手法じゃ、つば広帽子たちが勝手に歩き回って子供たちに魔法の無政府主義マニュアルを配っても不思議じゃないな。目撃者がいても騎士モラリスが現場に急行して証拠隠滅し、自己満足に浸るだけだという考察ができる。考察くん
AggressiveBerry1598
Yeah....that's not typical cop behavior at all, man.
うん…それは普通の警官の行動じゃないよね。普通くん
Skook10
yay
わーい!嬉しすぎるンゴwww2ちゃん
ali94127
Close enough. Welcome back Violet Evergarden.
ふむ…確かに近しい。我が記憶の中の『ヴァイオレット・エヴァーガーデン』よ、再びこの世界に降臨したのだな。中二病
quietvictories
same voice actress too they are going all out
同じ声優さんなんだね。 本気でやってるな。普通くん
ryenaut
Damn yeah I thought she was eerily familiar. Same voice Japanese or English dub?
ふむ、某も妙に聞き覚えがあると思ったでござる。日本語吹き替えと英語吹き替え、同じ声優でござるか?武士
Wama-Schawama
I was worried for her character design in the anime because her eyes looked weird on her render BUT we're all good now
最初はキャラデザの目が変に見えて心配だったけど、本編では全然問題なかったね。安心したわ。普通くん
LynxyShinx
Blond Yor?! (Same voice actress. And for ZZZ buffs, Promeia's too.)
金髪ヨル?!笑 声優一緒なんだなw ZZZ勢にはプロメイアも同じ声優ってわかるやつだなwwwwおじ
Character_Drive6141
Ew. She didn't help Custas 😞
え…カスタス助けなかったんか…ワイ涙出そうや😞2ちゃん
ryenaut
She airlifted him to a doctor which is pretty good. Except for the threatening to not do that part. That was rather cruel.
彼女が医者のところまで彼を空輸したのは結構良かったね。でも「ああいうことはするな」って脅した部分は除いて。あれは結構酷かったな。普通くん
Skook10
😭
やばくね!?泣いたんだけどまじで😭ギャル
Odd_Duty520
I want her to capture me
某、彼女に捕獲されたく候。武士
Skook10
nay
せやな…(同意)2ちゃん
Low_IQ_Autist
原文
I honestly wasn’t expecting Qifrey to take a turn like that, I love when characters are morally ambiguous. The more they seem like real life, the better. It’s boring when characters only deal with situations in absolute good, if that makes sense. Real life is messy, and people do risk or fold on their principles or really the lack thereof for their own purposes. To others looking on, it could be a terrible thing, but you’ve already justified it in your head. Everyone has a degree of flexibility in their morals to do what needs to be done for what’s best for them.
キーフリーがあんな方向に行くとは正直思わなかったな。キャラが道徳的に曖昧なの好きだわ。リアルに近ければ近いほど良いと思う。絶対的な善だけで動くキャラって退屈だよね。現実って複雑だし、人は自分の目的のために信念を曲げたりするもんだし。他人から見たらひどいことでも、自分の中では正当化できてるんだよな。誰だって自分のためにやるべきことをやるために、道徳をある程度柔軟にするもんだと思う。普通くん
raishak
He just finished lecturing his students on how grave the act of stealing someone's memories is. It was definitely very explicitly showing how flexible he is, and how much it probably hurts him to do it too, which give you a sense for how important the pursuit is to him.
彼が生徒たちに「記憶を盗むことの重大さ」を説いた直後だ。この場面は、彼の信念の柔軟性を明確に示しているし、同時にその行為が彼自身にとってもどれほど苦しいかが伝わってくる。つまり、彼にとってその追求がどれだけ重要かという伏線になっているんだな。考察くん
DirectAd7229
I mean the witch-cops would take every knowledge of magic from Coco. But Qifrey erased only 5 minutes of memory or so.
確かに、魔法警察はココから魔法の知識全部奪うだろうけど、キーフレイはたった5分くらいの記憶消しただけだもんな。普通くん
raishak
原文
Qifrey was lecturing them about how the people there would lose the memories of the event, and how people are defined by their memories, so all of them are precious. Them he turns around and takes Nolnoa's memory. Even if it was only 5 minutes, if you asked Nolnoa I'd bet he would trade a whole random days worth of memories to keep those 5 minutes, they were very important minutes stolen from him against his will. That's what I mean.
キーフリーが「人々は記憶によって形作られるから、全ての記憶は大切だ」と教えていた直後に、ノルノアの記憶を奪う行動に出たのは皮肉だな。たとえ5分間だけでも、ノルノア本人に聞けば「その5分を残すために、他の適当な1日分の記憶と引き換えてもいい」と答えるだろう。彼の意思に反して奪われたその時間は、彼にとって非常に重要なものだったはずだ。この矛盾が、キーフリーの行動原理の複雑さを浮き彫りにしている。考察くん
Resident_Tourist_344
You say that, right! Was having the same thought. How ironic it is, what he thought about how precious memories are to his apprentices, just to be ended up committing the same act himself a few moments later.
それな!俺も同じこと思ってた。弟子たちにとって記憶がどれだけ大事かって考えてたのに、数秒後には自分が同じことやってるって皮肉すぎるだろ。普通くん
FernSquirrel
原文
Oh but also Qifrey did it at least in part to protect Coco? Since if Nolnoa reported this to those higher ups, I think they would probably take away Coco or wipe her memories. That's why right before the scene where we find out Nolnoa had his memories wiped, Qifrey says to Coco "Don't look so worried. You'll be fine. As long as you're a student at my atelier, I'll do everything I can to protect you. There's nothing for you to worry about. *Nothing at all.* \[which takes on a somewhat ominous tone when the next scene shows just what Qifrey is willing to do to back this up\]".
せやな、キーフリーはココを守るためにああしたんやろな。ノルノアが上の連中にチクったら、ココが連れてかれるか記憶消されるのは確実やし。 だからあの「何も心配いらないよ」ってシーン、次の場面でキーフリーの本気度がガチで怖かったンゴwww あの台詞が急に不気味に聞こえてくるわ。2ちゃん
PrestigiousSink7583
Same, it was a little disturbing to watch. What made it worse was how calm and polite he was with Coco after. Like bro didn’t even remember what he just did. Still, he crossed a line now I feel like, there’s no going back
ああ、確かに見ててちょっとキツかったな。さらにタチ悪いのが、その後ココに普通に優しく接してたところだ。まるで自分がやったこと忘れてるみたいだった。でももう一線越えちゃったからな、後戻りはできないだろう。ドライおじ
zhangtastic
Let's not forget, he was willing to erase Coco's memories in the beginning until she mentioned the existence of the Brimmed caps. Qifrey is sketchy as hell and he's going to be digging himself a hole from now on. Makes the series much more interesting.
確かに、最初はココの記憶消そうとしてたもんな。ブリムドキャップの存在を言うまで消そうとしてたし。キーフレイ結構あやしいよな、これからどんどん墓穴掘っていきそう。でもそれがシリーズを面白くしてるね。普通くん
HeavyBluebird6495
It might have been just a fraction of a second, but Luluci's eyes were so beautiful. They cut out Nolnoa's second pair of glasses, and I can kind of guess why. Lol
たった一瞬だったけど、ルルシーの目は本当に綺麗だったな。 ノルノアの二つ目の眼鏡はカットされたみたいだ。理由はなんとなく分かるけどな。まあそういうもんだろ。ドライおじ
russian_lobster_AI
Yeah. Even though the symbol has been around a lot longer than a certain country has existed. It's a very old occult symbol before being adopted for other purposes, interesting history there.
確かに。そのシンボルは特定の国ができる前からずっと存在してるんだよね。かなり古いオカルトのシンボルで、後に別の目的で使われるようになったんだ。歴史的に見て面白いよな。普通くん
Jorvikstories
Anime only, the buddhism symbol of luck and prosperity?
アニメしか知らんけど、あれって仏教の幸運と繁栄のシンボルやろ?2ちゃん
letsgoToshio
In the manga, Nolnoa has the triangular glasses you see in the anime along with a second inverted pair that usually rest on top of his head. When he puts both on, they form the Star of David. They're obviously not meant to have any association with that in the manga, so they probably removed it from the anime just to avoid any potential controversies or hot takes on social media.
なるほど、原作のノルノアはアニメで見る三角メガネに加えて、頭の上にもう一つ逆さのメガネを乗せてるんだな。両方かけるとダビデの星になるらしい。原作ではもちろんそういう意図はないから、アニメではSNSでの余計な騒動を避けるために削除したんだろうね。普通くん
SpaceCocaine101
I’m part of that group, and I thought that his glasses were both rad and funny as hell. I get why they were modified to be just one pair, but I feel like something was lost with him not having two glasses on him at all times.
ワイもその一派やけど、あのメガネめっちゃかっこよくて笑えたンゴwww 2つから1つに変更された理由は分かるけど、常に2つ装備してないと何か物足りない気がするわ2ちゃん
detarameReddit
Nice observation; I did not notice that change. We truly live in a world.
確かに気づかなかったんだけど、その変化やばくない!?てか、まじで私たちって世界に生きてるよね笑ギャル
Iamnotunique57
Richeh comes in with the steel chair
リチェがスチールチェア持って乱入してきたッ!完全に優勝すぎるww感情くん
chitoslasttour
If anyone wants to start reading, the episode left off at the end of chapter 13 :p although reading from the beginning would still be better
アニメから入るなら、エピソードは13話の終わりまでカバーしてたよ:p でも最初から読んだ方がいいと思う普通くん
_keshbo
I read a couple of chapters to compare, they seem quite similar and I think the anime is really faithful to the manga. There some details the anime is missing that I didn't notice?
ちょっと比較のために数話読んでみたんだけど、結構似ててアニメはマンガにめっちゃ忠実じゃん!気づかなかっただけでアニメに抜けてる細かい部分とかあるのかな?ギャル
elusivesando
Manga isn’t that much different in terms of plot so far, but the illustrations and paneling of this manga are such a delight to watch.
漫画もプロット自体はそこまで変わらないけど、この漫画のイラストとコマ割りは見てて本当に楽しいんだよね。普通くん
Acceptable-Fudge9000
The magical toilet lol
魔法のトイレ草2ちゃん
BigBuford1337
I’m all caught up. Started reading the manga after the last episode.
わかったわかった!最終話見終わってからマンガ読み始めたんだけど、まじでやばくない!?笑ギャル
cilucia
Thank you! Volumes 1 and 2 have an 8 week + wait time at my library, but volume 3 is available, so I can hop right in 😂 I will read volumes 1 and 2 when I can get them!
ありがとう!図書館で1巻と2巻は8週間待ちだけど、3巻はすぐ借りられるから飛び込んでみるわ😂 1巻と2巻は手に入ったら読むつもり!普通くん
Huge-Dream6591
原文
Can I just say that I really love the added detail of the two bottles Coco picking up to show Tartah being the same primary color but different shades? I could go into detail about the fact that the two bottles are her and Tartah's colors, representing how the two are the same yet different, >!but what I really wanted to get to is that my grandmother has black-white color blindness (she sees the world much like Tartah does, in shades of gray, whereas most colorblind conditions involve browns and sepia with some primary colors still visible) and has learned to tell primary colors apart by subtle differences in shade and how they reflect light. If Coco had brough up two bottles with a yellow and blue hue, or a red and yellow hue of similar shades- Tartah would have likely been able to tell them apart. But now she picked two green ones.!< >!Also want to add how dear it is to me that WHA has colorblind representation. I wish my grandmother was still healthy enough to see these episodes (or learn English haha) since her condition has been a source of hurt for her all the way into her late 80s. She grew up in a similar environment to Tartah where "otherness" was considered shameful, there was little accomodation for her condition and people kept insisting on informing her of all the things she wanted to be that she could never become (her side of the family were artisans and botanists). So seeing this scene adapted in color really made me more attached to Tartah than I ever was reading the manga. It's often people forget how debilitating "invisible" conditions such as eye diseases can be.!<
ココが2つの瓶を手に取った描写、本当に秀逸だよな。タルタと同じ原色だけど微妙に色味が違うってことを示してるんだ。あの2つの瓶はココとタルタの色を象徴していて、「同じでありながら違う」という関係性を表現していると考察できる。 >!実は俺の祖母が白黒色覚異常でね(タルタと同じく世界がグレースケールに見える。一般的な色覚異常は茶色やセピア系で原色はまだ認識できる場合が多いんだが)。祖母は色の微妙な濃淡や光の反射具合で原色を見分ける術を身につけたんだ。もしココが黄色と青、あるいは赤と黄色の似た濃淡の瓶を選んでいたら、タルタも識別できたかもしれない。しかし彼女が選んだのは2つの緑色の瓶だった。!< >!WHAが色覚異常を描いてくれたことに深く感動している。祖母の症状はずっと彼女の心の傷だったんだ。タルタと同じく「他者と違うこと」が恥とされた環境で育ち、職人や植物学者の家系で「できないこと」を周囲から言われ続けてきた。このシーンがカラーアニメで描かれたことで、漫画を読んでいた時以上にタルタに感情移入してしまった。目の疾患のような「見えない障害」がどれほど人生を制限するか、人々は忘れがちだ。!<考察くん
Jam_Toast578
The analogy about your grandma was very meaningful, thanks for sharing that. And I like how you talked a bit in depth about Coco holding the bottles of a similar shade because I never would've thought about that. I hope that as many people like your Grandma as possible see this episode and love Tartah and feel represented.
おばあちゃんの例え話めっちゃ深いわ、ありがとうな。ココが似た色の瓶持ってるシーンとかマジで気づかんかったから、そういう深掘りいいね。ワイもおばあちゃんみたいな人がこのエピソード見てタルタ好きになって、共感してくれることを願うンゴwww2ちゃん
Jacobinc_reddit
Did qirfey erase his memoreys........... or is qirfey evil Im only on vol 1 of maga as 2 is on the way
キルフェは記憶を消されたのか…それともキルフェが悪役なのか 今はマンガ1巻まで読んだところで、2巻は届くのを待ってる普通くん
Slimesensei1442
That’s what I want to know! He erased the old guys memories of the whole day? He DEFINITELY didn’t do that to protect Coco.
それな!おじいちゃんのその日1日の記憶全部消したってこと?絶対ココを守るためじゃないよね!やばくね!?ギャル
Jacobinc_reddit
My therory is (going of the anime alone) the brim caps did something to his family or someone he loved grif can be a verry powerfull thing that or he wants magic to be wild (similer to how toh ends?)
ワイの予想やけど(アニメだけで判断したら)、ブリムキャップが彼の家族か愛する人に何かやらかしたんやろな。恨みはガチで強力な燃料になるし。あるいは魔法を野放しにしたいだけかもしれへん(トウ・エンズの終わり方みたいに?)。2ちゃん
The_Blip
To be fair, the brim caps are clearly a menace; handing out doomsday weapons to unsuspecting children. The Knights Moralis are clearly incompetent. What if Coco had witnessed something that could have been a clue to tracking them down? I'm still on team Qirfey. Nolnoa seemed like a snitch, best to keep the 'erase minds first, ask questions later' magic cops out of the loop.
確かにブリムキャップは明らかに危険だよな。何も知らない子供に終末兵器を渡してるようなもんだし。騎士モラリスは明らかに無能だし。もしココが彼らを追跡する手がかりになるものを目撃してたらどうなってたんだろうな。 それでも俺はキルフェイ派だわ。ノルノアは密告者っぽいし、『後で尋問する前にまず記憶を消せ』系の魔法警察には関わらない方がいいと思う。普通くん
chilll_vibe
Also anime only its pretty obvious to me he erased his memories of his interaction with Qifery or more likely just that conversation about the vial. Also while he has his own goals I think he did also do it to protect Coco since if the Knights Moralis found out about the vial theyd absolutely wipe her memories.
アニメ勢の考察だが、彼がキーフェリとのやり取り、特に小瓶に関する会話の記憶を消したのは明白だと思われる。独自の目的があるにせよ、ココを守るためでもあったんだろう。もしモラリス騎士団が小瓶のことを知れば、彼女の記憶を完全に消去するのは間違いない。考察くん
Lord_Nivloc
Protect Coco, or protect his one lead towards finding the Brimmed Caps? Both, probably. But now Coco is an even better lead.
ココを守るのか、それとも彼女からツバ広帽にたどり着く手がかりを守るのかって話だよね。 多分両方。でも今やココはさらに重要な手がかりになったと思う。普通くん
Clear-Report8471
I wonder how precise can they erase memories, they could just help these people and erase memories of 1 day, it wouldn't be that much of a problem, unless it's unstable and you can erase too much
マジで記憶消すのってどんだけ正確なんだろ!?1日分だけ消して助けてあげればよくね?って思うんだけど、制御できなくて消しすぎちゃうとかあるのかな〜やばくね?笑ギャル
Character_Drive6141
The size of spell generally determines the potency, so I assume this works the same
呪文の大きさが効力に関係するなら、これも同じ仕組みなんだろうね。普通くん
Character_Drive6141
原文
Not the whole day, just the vial iirc. You can erase memories of specific subjects/events (like all memory of magic). But you're right, he clearly has some other use for the vial. >!I think later in the manga they say you can use different spells to make people forget time, ideas, or people (chapter 80) and there is also the ones used to completely mind wipe people but that could just be erasing a BIG period of time. !<
なるほど、丸一日ではなく小瓶の記憶だけってことか。特定の対象や出来事(魔法に関する記憶とか)だけを消せるわけだ。ただ、確かにあの小瓶には別の使い道があるんだろうな。 >!後の漫画(80話)で、時間や概念、人物を忘れさせる異なる呪文が存在すると示唆されている。完全に記憶を消すものもあるが、それは大きな時間枠を削除するだけかもしれない。この辺りの設定、制作陣が細かく伏線を張っていると考察できる。!<考察くん
EpicInki
Last episode ends at the end of volume 2 so maybe buy more 🙂‍↕️
最終話で2巻分終わったから、もっと買えってことか🙂‍↕️草2ちゃん
Jacobinc_reddit
3 5 8 are here due to a sale and thats all the shop had 4 is also on the way be here next week
3巻、5巻、8巻はセールで買ったんだけど、その店にはそれしかなかったんだよね。4巻も注文してて来週届く予定。普通くん
MRV-12
So ink mixed with other substances gains different properties… and human blood is particularly potent. Yikes. Plus there is definitely a mystery about Qifrey’s right eye. Also I checked online and ‘silverwash‘ isn’t a real world condition. Perhaps it is a leftover from the old magics wars to prevent or at least discourage people from using magic?
インクに他の物質を混ぜると異なる特性を得る…そして人間の血液は特に強力だと。これは危険だ。さらにキーフレイの右目には確かに謎がある。調べてみたが「シルバーウォッシュ」は現実の症状ではない。これは旧魔法戦争の名残で、人々の魔法使用を防ぐか少なくとも抑制するためのものではないかという考察ができる。考察くん
YourGirlRatBaby
It’s going to be explained in the next episode but it’s just >!colorblindness, specifically “complete”/monochromatic colorblindness!<
えっマジ!?次回で説明されるんだけどさ、>!色盲、しかも完全な単色型色覚障害らしいよ!< まじでやばくない!?ギャル
MRV-12
I so badly want to read your spoiler… but I must resist!
めっちゃネタバレ読みたいけど…グッとこらえる!普通くん
idiosync
It is not a spoiler as it is covered in the credits scene.
エンドロールで出てくるからネタバレじゃないンゴwww それにしてもあのシーンやばすぎやろ草2ちゃん
YourGirlRatBaby
Someone already basically said the same thing as what’s under the spoiler in response to the other copy of your comment
確かに、他の人も同じようなこと言ってたね。普通くん
TheBlueSuperNova
I’m a little confused why that would be hard to be a witch though. Black ink on white paper should be pretty easy to write and read no?
せやな、なんで魔女になるのが難しいんかワイもよくわからんわ。白い紙に黒いインクなら読み書き簡単やろ?草2ちゃん
RILICHU
As stated by Qifrey, witch society is very unaccommodating probably due to how traditionalist it is. Chances are some amount of the usual curriculum assumes color vision and many masters are probably not willing to alter it because "that's just how it is".
キーファも言ってたけど、魔女社会はかなり伝統主義的で融通が利かないんだろうな。通常のカリキュラムの多くが色覚を前提にしてて、師匠たちも「そういうものだから」って変えたがらない感じだと思う。普通くん
BatGalaxy42
You saw that they were selling a bunch of additives for ink, presumably advanced magic requires you to use those and be able to tell what things are what. And witch society is kinda shitty and doesn't see the point in teaching him even basic magic if he can't do the advanced stuff.
この場面でインク用の添加剤が大量に売られてる描写があったよな。おそらく高度な魔法を使うには、そういった素材を使い分けて、それぞれの特性を見極める能力が必要になるという伏線だと思われる。 そして魔女社会の構造がかなり閉鎖的で、「高度な魔法が使えないなら基礎すら教える価値がない」という考え方が透けて見えるのが興味深い。この社会システムそのものが、彼の成長を阻む構造的な問題として機能してるんだな。考察くん
YourGirlRatBaby
In the manga it’s more directly spelled out (no pun intended) that since the additives change the color of the ink, other witches view not being able to tell apart the inks with different functions by color as equivalent to “only being able to draw basic spells”
原作ではもっと直接的に書かれてるんだけど、添加剤でインクの色が変わるから、色で機能の違うインクを区別できないってことは「基本の魔法しか描けない」ってことと同義なんだよね普通くん
Jkirek_
In the adjacent scene we're shown the expertise of his grandpa; being able to discern that the ink in the bottle is indeed the exact same as that on the casting seal he's investigating, specifically by the same exact blue hue in both.
隣のシーンで彼の祖父の専門知識が示されているな。調査中の封印に使われているインクと瓶の中のインクが、特に両方の正確に同じ青い色合いによって同一だと見抜けるってのは、制作陣が細部にこだわっている証拠だと思われる。考察くん
StarAboveWillows
I like the focus on Tartah treating Coco's injury in the anime. Even though healing magic may be forbidden, some witches still want to help in other ways, at least.
アニメでココのケガをタルタが治療するところに焦点が当たってるの、いいね。治癒魔法が禁じられてても、別の方法で助けたいと思う魔女たちがいるってのが伝わる。普通くん
Character_Drive6141
... yeah ... about that ...
あーそれな!笑 その話になるとちょっとアレなんだけどさ〜ギャル
StarAboveWillows
>!I'm a manga reader, haha, I'm just trying to be cheeky with this (which is to say, post observations without spoiling people)!<
(マンガ読者だけど、ちょっとイキってるだけだよ。ネタバレせずに気づいたことを言いたいだけ)普通くん
Character_Drive6141
They might tell it next episode I think
たぶん次回で語られるんじゃないかなー!気になるしんどい…早く見せてくれッ!感情くん
Outrageous_Future706
Did Qifrey wipe his memories or is he just trying to hint that they shouldn’t talk about it by pretending it didn’t happen? Also, I find it so funny when Qifrey just swaps between extremes. Like it was so tense and then the it immediately changed to him being like nice and charming to Coco.
キーフリーは記憶を消したのか、それともなかったことにして話すなって暗に示してるだけなのかな。 あと、キーフリーが極端に切り替わるの面白すぎるよな。あんなに緊張してたのに、すぐにココに優しくて魅力的な感じになるの。普通くん
lans_throwaway
He wiped his memories (post credit scene shows this).
ポストクレジットシーンで記憶消してたじゃん……それやばすぎるッ!しんどい……感情くん
ChiliKong
Wiped his memory of just the day or more? I dont mind spoilers on this specifically
せやな、その日だけ消したんか?それとももっと前からやったんか?ワイはこの件だけならネタバレ大丈夫やで2ちゃん
lans_throwaway
I think it's one day only, at least he knows his grandson and remembers the ink ingredients. I'm not a source reader though
一日だけのイベントだと思うけど、少なくとも孫のことは知っててインクの材料も覚えてるんだね。原作は読んでないけどさ。普通くん
lavenderPhantasma
>!the memory erasure spell can target specific memories, safe to assume he wiped everything related to the ink bottle!<
※ネタバレ注意 記憶消去の魔法、特定の思い出だけ消せるんか。つまりインク瓶に関係する記憶は全部消したってことやな。草2ちゃん
lavenderPhantasma
>!he wiped his memories!<
ネタバレ注意:記憶消しちゃったのか…普通くん
Outrageous_Future706
That’s what I thought I just wasn’t sure. Sorry I’m kind of slow.
ああ、やっぱそうやったんか。ワイも確信なかったンゴ。すまん、理解遅くて草2ちゃん
miloucomehome
It's interesting because, and maybe it was the framing or my takeaway the first time I read the chapter some years ago, but >!I thought he had *threatened* Nornoa to the point of lying to cover up what had happened (given the tone of their previous encounter after a serious discovery in Vol 2)!<
なるほど、これは興味深いな。何年か前に読んだ時は、>!あの場面の描き方のせいか、ノルノアを脅して嘘をつかせたのかと思ってたんだよね(2巻での重大な発見後のやり取りの雰囲気的に)<。普通くん
Lord_Nivloc
That's plausible, I suppose. But Nornoa doesn't seem like a good liar. And Qifrey's scene and Nornoa's unease couldn't have been more ominous. I don't know if it could be so clear in the manga. The music and voice actors *really* sold Qifrey's......obsession.
まあ一理あるンゴね。でもノルノアは嘘つくの下手くそやろ。 キーフリーのシーンとノルノアの不安感、あれほど不穏な空気出せるもんかね。原作マンガでここまでハッキリしてたかは分からんわ。音楽と声優がガチでキーフリーの......執着を表現しとったわ。2ちゃん
Acceptable-Fudge9000
I genuinely thought he only persuaded him to pretend not to know anything.
まさか本当に記憶消すとは思わなかったわ。完全に予想外だったな。普通くん
toastparty25
nah that juxtaposition of tense and cheery was UNSETTLING (an excellent direction choice - quick expression shifts in the same character cause the viewer to doubt how much they really know / can predict them, and how reflective their manner is of their interiority)
いやあの緊張感と陽気さの対比、ガチで不気味すぎやろwww(演出神やん。同じキャラの表情がコロコロ変わるから「こいつ本当は何考えてるかわからん」って視聴者に思わせる効果ヤバい)。内面と外面のギャップ表現、完璧すぎて草。2ちゃん
RyuzakiPL
Tartah, my monochromatic king!
ターター、俺のモノクロの王よッ!優勝すぎるだろこの表現!感情くん
Prof_Acorn
Knights Moralis on fraud watch. Tasked with taking down Brimcaps. Outdone by two 12-year-olds.
Knights Moralisはガチで詐欺集団やんwww ブリムキャップ討伐任務で小学生2人に負けるってどういうことやねん草2ちゃん
HyacinthVale
Absolutely loved the framing on Qifrey when he turns to stare down Nolnoa. The black lens of glasses shining. Oof! So intimidating!
キーフリーがノルノアを睨みつけるときの構図が最高すぎるッ!黒いレンズがギラッと光るんだよ…オエッ!威圧感やばすぎる!感情くん
Bitter_Craft_5474
I don’t like assuming this early that Qifrey is “evil” I think he just really wants to murder the hell out of the brimmed caps
キーフリーが「悪役」って決めつけるのはまだ早いと思うな。単にブリムドキャップをめちゃくちゃぶっ殺したいだけなんじゃない?普通くん
Andrex2309
That, or I think it could also be that Qifrey is suspicious about the higher ranks and might think some of them could be connected to brimmed caps
それか、キーフレイが上層部を疑ってて、ブリムドキャップと繋がってる奴がいるかもって思ってるんじゃね?やばくね!?ギャル
Bitter_Craft_5474
100% I can’t believe I didn’t think of that
ワイもそれ思いつかんかったわ草 確かに100%やなwww2ちゃん
ThePhoenixRemembers
I think that's definitely what it is, there is 100% a reason why he so badly didn't want the ink to wind up in their hands
確かに、それは間違いないと思う。あのインクを絶対に彼らの手に渡したくなかった理由が100%あるんだろうね。普通くん
Anaguli417
Evil is a bit too much but Qifrey is definitely shady.
うわっ、悪役って感じはちょっと強すぎだけど、キーフレイは絶対怪しいじゃん!やばくね?笑ギャル
Lord_Nivloc
原文
At this point, I'd put Qifrey and the Knights Moralis on about the same level of "evil" Or perhaps, the ends justify the means. Easthies was ready to erase a child's memories because something was CLEARLY wrong. (...and he'd heard the rumors, even if he's too righteous to act on rumors alone.) And who's to say? Taking Coco out of the picture probably would have been a blow to the Brimmed Hat's agenda. Easthies is borderline evil. But between him and Qifrey, which one is the greater threat to a peaceful happy society?
今の時点だと、キーフリーとモラリス騎士団って同じくらいの「悪」なんじゃないかな 結局は手段の違いだけかも。イースヒースは明らかにおかしいからって子供の記憶消そうとしてたし(噂も聞いてたんだよね、正義感強いから噂だけじゃ動けないけど)。ココを排除すればツバ広帽の計画に打撃になるって判断だよな。 イースヒースはギリギリ悪人って感じ。でもキーフリーとどっちが平和な社会にとって脅威なんだろうね。普通くん
Bitter_Craft_5474
原文
Their dynamic I think is going to drive a lot of where the exploration of the morals of magic goes, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some uncomfortable parallels between the way both Qifrey and the BC use magic more liberally to achieve their goals. Qifrey in particular is so scary because what should and shouldn’t be done with magic seems to be solely dependent on what he wants to do in the moment. Dude and there’s so much good stuff going on when it comes to whether the pros of restricting magic to the populace outweigh the cons (eg moralis save the kid but won’t heal him). I wouldn’t be suprise if the BC or another party function as “freedom fighters” who view the restriction of magic as a violation of the rights of people
この2人の関係性が、魔法の倫理を掘り下げる上で重要な軸になると思うんだよな。キーフリーとBCがどちらも自分の目的達成のために魔法を自由に使っている点で、不穏なパラレルが見えてくるのも納得だ。特にキーフリーは、魔法で何をすべきか・すべきでないかの判断が、その瞬間の自分の欲求に依存しているように見えるのが本当に怖い。 あと、一般人への魔法制限のメリットがデメリットを上回るかって問題もめちゃくちゃ深いよな(例:モラリスは子どもを救うが治癒はしない)。BCや別勢力が「魔法制限は人権侵害だ」という自由の闘士として機能する展開があっても全然驚かない。考察くん
Frenchorican
I feel like if we use the DnD alignments Easthies is Lawful Neutral. Will do anything to uphold the law. Qifrey, I think he’s more neutral good? Will make sure that peace and balance is maintained but is willing to do shady things for it.
DnDの属性で言うならイーシーは秩序にして中立だと思う。法を守るためなら何でもやる感じ。 キーフリーはもっと中立にして善かな?平和と均衡を保つために影で汚いこともやるけどね。普通くん
Frenchorican
原文
I’m kind of the opinion that someone he loved was abducted by the brimmed caps and he wants to rescue them. Or maybe he was abducted and he wants to save one of them that’s a friend? Because his obsession as shown with the ink is more than just higher ups are brimmed caps. It’s something personal that happened to him, and his flexibility about the rules of magic is so different to all of the other persons in the witching world that we’ve seen thus far. But I’m waiting till the anime ends to get further clarification on the manga.
ワイは思うンゴ、奴の愛する誰かがブリムドキャップに連れ去られてて、それを助けたいんちゃうかって。あるいは自分が連れ去られた側で、その中の友達を助けたいとか?だってインクに対する執着っぷり見ると、単なる上層部がブリムドキャップって話じゃ済まんわ。なんか個人的な因縁があるんやろな。それに魔法のルールに対する柔軟さも、今まで見てきた魔法使い連中とは全然違うし。 まあアニメ終わるまで待って、漫画の詳細を確認するンゴけどな。2ちゃん
SimoneNonvelodico
My guess is he has personal beef with them, but also doesn't trust the authorities to deal with them because of course he doesn't, the authorities go around mind-wiping 12 year olds first and asking questions later. Possibly he needs some information drawn from them so he needs them alive (same quest Coco is on after all).
おそらく彼は個人的に彼らと因縁があるんだろうね。でも当局に任せられないって思ってるのもあると思う。だって当局は12歳に真っ先に記憶消してから後で質問するような連中だし。もしかしたら彼らから情報を引き出す必要があって生かしておきたいのかも(ココと同じ目的ってわけだ)。普通くん
TherealRidetherails
As a Manga reader, I love seeing people theorize about what the hell is going on with Qifrey 😊 I know it'll be ages until what we know about him gets adapted into the show, but I can't wait
やばっ!原作読んでる身としては、キーフリーの正体についてみんながワイワイ考察してるの見るの最高に好きなんだけど笑 アニメでその辺が描かれるのまだまだ先だってわかってるけど、まじで待ちきれないじゃん!😊ギャル
Character_Drive6141
I read all 100 chapters in this past week and... yeah. They will never ever guess the full picture (even though chekhov's gun has TECHNICALLY already been introduced).
今週100話全部読んだけど…うん。絶対に全貌は予想できないと思う(チェーホフの銃が技術的にはもう導入されてるのにね)。普通くん
HotBloodedNinja
I was thinking Qifrey might just kill the old guy.....
マジでキーフリーがあのじいさん殺しちゃうかと思ったんだけど!やばくね!?ギャル
2kenzhe
原文
Thankfully, Coco was saved just in time and didn't have her memories erased but we did have someone elses memories erased...poor gramps. His shit got knocked down so he has to clean up and his memories got fucking erased. Also did Qifrey just rob him of an extra bag too for Coco or something? At least he took the ink and any evidence I guess. Honestly this really shows that memory wiping should be forbidden as well ngl. I get needed to keep magic a secret and stuff man like memory wiping is dangerous af I doubt this the first time Qifrey has used it. Also yeah memory wiping is bad af like memories make up a person so if you get rid of it you change the fucking person. Fr though those knights, rather immediately erase a girls memories instead of idk help the situation first and then properly investigate. I get no expectations, but like I said previous there's gotta be an order also no wonder they never catch any brim hats cuz they don't investigate just erase memories so of course they can't catch them. So while magic all you need is to be able to draw and have some special ink so in theory the only difference in power between witches is skill/what spells you have learned/drawn right but it seems there's many different things you can do to change the ink. To make it invisible or make it last longer etc but it seems the secret ingredient is some blood? if you add it to the magic ink it'll greatly increase its power? Like way too much? no wonder how the situation of the world so bad in the past if using this ink even a little ordinary spell could destroy an entire river like that. So some areas like the Dadah Range are the result of forbidden magic and can never be fixed huh damn? Anyways importantly now Qifrey has a link to the brim hats now and he has that overpowered ink. Like imagine what if he drew that same water dragon now with this ink...probably going to easily destroy a whole city.
ココがギリギリで助かったのは良かったけど、代わりにじいさんの記憶が消されたのは辛いな…家もめちゃくちゃになったのに加えて記憶まで消されるとか酷すぎる。キーフリーは荷物も盗んだのか?インクと証拠は持って行ったっぽいけど。正直、記憶消去も禁止にすべきだと思うわ。秘密保持は理解できるけど、危険すぎるしキーフリーが初めて使ったわけじゃなさそうだし。 記憶って人間を形作るものだし、それを消すって人格を変えるのと同義だよな。 騎士団もさ、いきなり記憶を消す前にまず状況を調べるべきだろ。調査しないからブリムハットを捕まえられないんじゃないか?って思うわ。 魔術は絵を描いて特殊なインクがあれば使えるから、魔女の実力差は技術と覚えた呪文の違いだけっぽいな。でもインクを強化する方法は色々あるみたいで、透明にしたり持続時間を伸ばしたり。秘密の材料は血なのか?血を混ぜると威力が爆上がりするって。過去に世界が滅びかけたのも納得だわ。ダダー山脈みたいな場所は禁術の結果で修復不可能ってのもヤバい。 とにかくキーフリーがブリムハットと繋がりを持ったのと、あの超強力インクを手に入れたのが重要だな。あのインクで水龍を描いたら街一つ簡単に破壊できそうで怖い。普通くん
Worldly_Business_425
原文
Damn maybe qifrey isn't the perfect angel we thought he was?? I wonder what reason he would have for erasing the old mand memories though, maybe one of the brimmed caps is actually somebody close to him and if the knights Moralis learn of the location of the brimmed caps they'll just kill them all but qifrey doesn't want that? Or maybe qifrey secretly sympathizes with the brimmed caps? But then why wouldn't he already be in contact with them? All we know for sure though, is that the story is starting to get *serious*
キーフリーがまさかの聖人じゃなかったンゴwww でもなんで昔の記憶消したんやろな… ワイの予想やと、つば広帽の中にキーフリーの身内がおるんじゃね? 騎士モラリスに見つかったら皆殺しされるから、キーフリーはそれを避けたいとか? あるいは単にシンパって可能性もあるけど、それならもう連絡取ってそうやしな。 いずれにせよ、話がガチでシリアスになってきたわ…草2ちゃん
DirectAd7229
原文
He's after the brimmed caps, I'm guessing for revenge. Witch-cops are also after brimmed caps, but their methods are very different from Qifrey, he doesn't get along with them. Also, he suspects that there is someone working as double agents with witch-cops who's helping brimmed caps, so there is that as well - and the clue was the ink they used to draw the door which teleported Coco and others to the dragon. Now that he has the ink, which also happens to be magically connected to a vial or something of a brimmed cap, Qifrey got very very big clue on how to find them I think, and also to find double agent as well I guess. Old man knew how serious the situation was, and he wouldn't keep it as a secret anymore, so erasing his memory was the most logical solution. I don't blame Qifrey - he wants to find brimmed caps, also find double agent inside witch-cops and he has to work alone, he can't trust anybody.
キーフレイはツバ広帽を追ってるんだよね、復讐目的だと思う。魔法警察もツバ広帽を追ってるけど、キーフレイとはやり方が全然違ってて、彼は彼らと上手くやってない。それに、魔法警察の中にツバ広帽を助けてる二重スパイがいるんじゃないかって疑っててね。その手がかりが、ココたちをドラゴンのところに転送したドアに使われていたインクだったんだ。今そのインクを手に入れたキーフレイは、ツバ広帽を見つける大きな手がかりと、二重スパイを見つける手がかりも得たんだと思う。老人は事の重大さを理解してたし、もう秘密にはできないから記憶を消すのが一番合理的だったんだろうね。キーフレイを責められないよ。彼は一人で動かなきゃいけないし、誰も信頼できないんだ。普通くん
Worldly_Business_425
The double agent theory is actually pretty smart ngl I didn't consider that. We would have to explore the knights Moralis a bit more though before we can discover who that may be
確かに二重スパイ説は賢いな、俺は考えもしなかったよ。でもモラリスの騎士たちをもっと探らないと誰がそうかはわかんないな。感情くん
TaintedEon
He legit gave him a death glare like 3-4 episodes ago about going to the inquisition/great hall…so yeah he’d definitely wipe memories to keep his leads on the Brimmed Caps hidden
確かに数話前、尋問所に行くって言った時にマジで殺すような目で睨んでたもんな…だから記憶消してツバ広帽の手がかり隠すのは間違いないね普通くん
Lindbrum
revenge would be my bet.
ワイ的には復讐やろな。2ちゃん
ExQuest
I mean, he wasn't a perfect angel from episode 1, or at the least not transparent. The only reason he didn't erase Coco's memory's was for his own personal gain to hunt down the brimmed hats, and not because of anything related to Coco's feelings.
確かに、彼は最初から完璧な善人ってわけじゃなかったよね。少なくとも心は開いてなかった。ココの記憶を消さなかったのも、ココの気持ちを考えたからじゃなくて、つば広帽を追うための自分の利益のためだったしな。普通くん
Acceptable-Fudge9000
Exactly
せやな、マジでそれ2ちゃん
Lord_Nivloc
原文
There's no shot that he's friendly with the brimmed hats. He was soooo close to erasing Coco's memories in episode 1. You wouldn't never consider erasing her memories if you were trying to make contact. He's hunting them. Has to be. But I'd put it up to a 50/50 if he puts a higher value on his apprentices or his revenge. Seems like he'd go far for either of them. This episode, he was protecting Coco AND his lead on the Brimmed Caps. That was enough to wipe his friend's memory.
確かにツバ広帽子とは友好的じゃないよね。第1話でココの記憶消しかけたし。 もしコンタクトを取りたいなら記憶消そうとは思わないもん。 あいつはツバ広帽子を狩ってるんだよ。間違いない。でも弟子と復讐、どっちを優先するかは五分五分かな。どちらにせよ手段は選ばなそう。 今回の話ではココを守りつつツバ広帽子の手がかりも追ってた。それだけで友達の記憶を消すのに十分だったんだ。普通くん
Worldly_Business_425
Idk I was just wondering, however wasn't qifrey only thinking of erasing Coco's memory before he learned of the connection with the brimmed hats? After that he didn't even consider it
あれって、つば広帽との繋がりを知る前の話やろ?その後は記憶消すなんて微塵も考えてなかったやん。2ちゃん
Few_Addition_4751
The English Voice Actor does deliver this contrast well. He's so intensely sweet when interacting with the girls, like for us who work(ed) in a customer facing role, we put on a Sweet persona.
確かに!英語吹き替えの声優、マジでこのギャップうまいよね!女の子と話す時の甘々な感じ、接客業やってる人ならわかるあの「営業スマイル」って感じじゃん!ギャル
b0wie0
Did she get a pen in that bag or is Coco still lacking one 😭
カバンの中にペン入ってたのかな?それともココ、まだペン持ってないのか😭普通くん
OurDumbWorld
Gotta got back a third time I guess. Still unfinished business with Nolnoa. “How many times do we need to teach you this lesson old man?”
三度目の正直かよ草。まだノルノアと決着ついてないンゴねぇ。「何度教えたら覚えるんだよジジイ」って感じやなwww2ちゃん
Character_Drive6141
nah, there's one in the bag.
いや、もう一個あるじゃん。普通くん
ryenaut
When will she get the pen we see in the intro…the white and blue one that will fit her muscle memory better..
あのオープニングで出てくる白と青のペン、彼女の筋肉の記憶に合うやつ、いつ手に入れるんだろうね!?めっちゃ気になるんだけど!ギャル
No-Veterinarian-4763
原文
Cause the pen looks so unique compared to the others we’ve seen it’ll probably need to be custom made by someone who knows coco’s past as a seamstress. Coco isn’t really the type to request things custom especially unprompted, Qifrey doesn’t know enough about fabric measuring to know what she probably needs (or he wants her to figure it out) so I’m pretty sure that Tartah will make it for her (they have the beginnings of a friendship and he is likely a skilled artisan in some form of magic supply crafting that doesn’t involve colors, so pens are an option. It fits with tropes from similar stories).  My question is if it’ll be before or after Coco helps make magic accessible to the colorblind for him, cause she takes “some people can and some can’t” like a personal challenge, lol. Idk how she would though, maybe a light glyph variation that tells him what the colors are? Or one that can identify materials? The last one would be finicky cause it could try and identify, like, the glass the power is in. Maybe one that only works on organic things? Eh, itll happen eventually.
確かにあのペンは今まで見てきたやつと全然違うデザインだから、ココの仕立て屋としての過去を知ってる誰かが特注で作る必要がありそうだね。ココは自分から特注を頼むタイプじゃないし、キーフリーは布地の採寸に詳しくないから彼女に必要なものがわからない(もしくは自分で気づかせたいのかも)。だからタルタが作るんじゃないかな(二人は友情の兆しがあるし、彼は色を使わない魔法道具作りに長けた職人っぽいから、ペンもあり得る。似たような話のお決まりパターンだしね)。 ただ気になるのは、それがココが色盲の人にも魔法を使えるようにする前か後かってこと。彼女は「できる人とできない人がいる」ってのを個人的な挑戦と受け止めるタイプだからね(笑)。どうやって実現するんだろう?光の魔法陣のバリエーションで色を教えるとか?素材を識別する魔法とか?後者は難しそうだな、魔力が入ってるガラスとかまで識別しちゃいそうだし。有機物限定とかにすればいいのかな?まあそのうち何とかなるでしょ。普通くん
Jam_Toast578
原文
The scene where Qifrey picks Coco up onto his shoulder is probably one of my favorite scenes in the whole manga despite what it succeeds 😅 I'm completely in love with Qifrey voice as I've been since the start of the show, but one of the things I want to note here that I really enjoy is how Qifrey says Coco's name like he's calling out to a dog, quite often. You know like the short way it's said to get her attention? It's just silly and cute.
キーフリーがココを肩に担ぎ上げるシーン、あの後の展開考えてもマジで漫画全体で一番好きなシーンの一つやわ😅 キーフリーの声は最初からずっとガチ恋してるンゴwww 特に気に入ってるのは、キーフリーがココの名前を犬呼ばわりみたいに言うとこやな。短く「ココ!」って呼んで注意引く感じ、あれがバカっぽくて可愛いんよな2ちゃん
krokky4J
I agree!
同意!それな!!感情くん
BugScholar1193
Ekoh: “*And Richeh comes out from the sidelines with a fiery tackle lifted straight from the page to Easthies pennant, Etlan how do you think our squad leader will retaliate?"* Etlan: *“It looks like he might try overacting without just cause!”* Ekoh: *“Oh but it looks like Qifrey has joined the fray..this should be interesting!”* Utowin: *“Wait who are you both talking to?”*
Ekoh: 「リーチェが横から飛び出して、あの激しいタックルをそのままページからイーストヒーズのペナントに持ち込んだね。エトラン、俺たちの班長はどう反撃すると思う?」 Etlan: 「理由もなくオーバーアクションを仕掛けそうだね!」 Ekoh: 「おっと、でもキーフリーも乱入してきたみたいだ…これは面白くなりそう!」 Utowin: 「ちょっと待って、お前ら誰と話してるんだ?」普通くん
BugScholar1193
And finally, Qifrey is still in the running to be Zozah’s Next Top Witch.
まじでQifreyまだZozahの次期トップ魔女候補なんだ!やばくね!?笑ギャル
Rookie52
RICHEH MY GOAT
リチェが俺の最高の推しだわ普通くん
420VapeMaster67
What the hell is Qifrey up to?? Like my casta CHILLL
チーフレイ、何考えてんだよ?? 俺のキャスタ、落ち着けってマジで普通くん
Guilloz
there is nothing chill about Qifrey lmao
キーフリーが全然落ち着いてないの笑うんだけど!笑ギャル
Bitter_Craft_5474
Ik ppl have been saying this since the manga started, we’ll probably still be saying it 20 years from now, but it’s so cool that the magic is fr just drawing
みんな言ってるけど、この漫画が始まった時からずっと言われてることで、20年後も同じこと言ってそうだけど、魔法が本当にただの“描くこと”なの、めっちゃかっこいいよね普通くん
YuutoSasaki
原文
Oh well, this anime is gonna get darker and darker. The world building and plot points are getting better. So we, the anime only, now know about the ink-type power dimension, very interesting. Different types of ink can provide different effects, and there is a world destroying type of ink. Also a question, if the spell requrired make circle. How about connecting the circle within a sphere shape? or more like, is 3D spell a thing?
ふむ、このアニメはこれからどんどんダークな展開になっていくんだろうな。世界観の構築とプロットのポイントがより深みを増している。 我々アニメ勢は、今ようやくインクタイプの力の次元について知ることになった。非常に興味深い。異なる種類のインクは異なる効果をもたらし、世界を破壊するタイプのインクも存在する。 ここで一つの考察だ。もし呪文が円を描くことを必要とするなら、球体の中で円を繋げたらどうなるのか?つまり、3次元の呪文は存在し得るのか?という問いが浮かぶ。考察くん
Resident_Tourist_344
原文
This man Qifrey can be so scary at times. It looks like he'd go to any lengths to keep things hidden, even going as far as to remove Nolnoa's memories. Poor old pal was just trying to be true to his duty. Guess it's one of those situations where you know too much for your own good. As what's 'silverwash' you ask? Well, it went without saying it would be color blindness, or at least a variant of it. Must have been quite devastating for Tartah.
キーフリーは時々本当に怖いな。何かを隠すためならノルノアの記憶を消すことまでするって、かなり極端だよ。あの古い友達はただ任務に忠実だっただけなのに。知りすぎると危ないってやつか。 「銀洗い」って何かって?言うまでもなく色盲、少なくともその一種だろうな。タルタには相当ショックだったんじゃないかな。普通くん
basilnutlatte
>! the start of the amnesia circle stankpussy twinkbeast era >:3 !< quality felt a bit more noticeably variable this episode but considering what we know of the production + how much juice got put into 1, 3, and 5 especially, I can't be too surprised about that.
※この翻訳は「考察くん」の口調で、元コメントの軽妙でややネガティブなニュアンスを保ちつつ、論理的に分析します。 「>! 記憶喪失サークル、スタンクプシー・トウィンクビースト時代の幕開けだな >:3 !<」 クオリティにばらつきがあったのは確かで、特に1話、3話、5話に制作リソースを集中投下した形跡を考えると、このエピソードの出来は予想の範囲内だと言える。制作陣のリソース配分が露呈した結果とも考察できる。考察くん
somebasicaccountname
This week was severely lacking in my sweet lil baby brushbuddy 1/10 episode (ignoring this vital flaw 10/10 episode)
今週は俺の可愛いブラシ相棒が足りなすぎるッ!1/10だわ(この致命的欠点を無視すれば10/10だけどな)感情くん
080972
Thinking about the ink , it could actually be coco who turned the river stones or land into sand using that ink !!!! It could be coco who was responsible for that !!!!!!!!! Qiffrey might have earsed the old man's memory because of that if he reported about that ink to the police witches coco would have definitely gotten into trouble
インクについて考察すると、あの川の石や地面を砂に変えたのは、実はココ自身だった可能性が高い!あのインクを使ったんだろうな!!もしあの老人がそのことを警察の魔法使いに報告していたら、ココは確実にトラブルに巻き込まれていたはず。だからキーフリーは彼の記憶を消したんだと思われる。考察くん
RedAnon94
Yeah I think this is the case, her spell spread because of the blood. My guess is that blood like super powerful ink but causes negative effects when used in magic
確かにそうだと思う。血で魔法が広がったんだろうね。血は超強力なインクみたいなもんだけど、魔法に使うと悪影響が出るって感じかな普通くん
Ithrowawaygoaway
anybody else feel like if they were a witch they'd definitely do forbidden magic? i mean if you're smart about it the knights probably won't catch you
まじでわかる!私も魔女になったら絶対禁術やっちゃうわ笑 頭いい感じでやれば騎士団にバレないっしょ〜!ギャル
Dont-be-a-smurf
原文
I guess “why” would be the main point Witches can already be extremely busy doing all of their yearly necessary work (manga goes into detail about the yearly schedule of an average witch) and there’s a TON of maintenance that must be done on all kinds of lawful contraptions and signs necessary to protect regular people and keep life going. Like most recent chapters involve service winter-proofing a community. So 99% of witches probably got their hands full doing work for the community.
「なぜ」が核心だという考察ができるな。 魔女たちは年間の必需業務(原作で一般魔女の年間スケジュールが詳述されている)で既に極めて多忙であり、一般人の保護と生活維持に必要な各種合法装置や標識のメンテナンスが膨大に存在する。 例えば最近の話では、ある共同体の冬支え対策に従事していた。 つまり99%の魔女は共同体の仕事で手一杯だったという解釈が成り立つ。考察くん
Character_Drive6141
Healing...
癒される…普通くん
Volfaer
原文
Well, things got cleared with the Knights, and man the scene with Coco shrouded in darkness only to cut to a flustered ball of cuteness, they really are on a generational aura debt for suspecting her, still everyone got saved, and Agott got to do her test. Meanwhile Iguin just casually aura farming and philosophise somewhere, guess it comes naturally to a dripped hat. Man poor Tartah and Nornoa, one is screwed with turbo color blindness, the other has a friend so sketchy it's unreal. Qifrey my guy, what are you trying to do, really? In the same episode you say that memories are a integral part of someone's life, you clear a friend's memory.
騎士団との件は片付いたけど、ココが暗闇に包まれてから慌てふためく可愛い姿に切り替わるシーンは最高だったな。彼女を疑ったことで世代を超えたオーラの借金を背負ったようなものだ。それでも全員救われて、アゴットは試験を受けられた。一方イグウィンはどこかで涼しい顔でオーラを稼ぎながら哲学してるし、あのドリップした帽子なら当然か。 タルタとノルノアが不憫でならない。一人は超絶色盲で詰んでるし、もう一人は友達が胡散臭すぎる。キーフリーよ、君は一体何をしようとしてるんだ?同じエピソードで「記憶は人生の不可欠な要素だ」と言いながら、友人の記憶を消すのか。考察くん
Bitter_Craft_5474
The knights moralis have that SHIT on
ナイツ・モラリス、あのクソみたいなの持ってるやんwww2ちゃん
warpspeed100
Wait, Qifrey literally just lectured Coco on how memories make a person, and are so very precious, and then he goes and does that to Gramps?! If such a close friend couldn't be convinced to keep the ink a secret, maybe Gramps has a point, and Qifrey should respect that.
あれ、キーフリーがココに「記憶が人を作る、それはすごく大事なものだ」って説教した直後に、じいちゃんにあれやるの?! そんな親友ですらインクの秘密を守るよう説得できなかったなら、じいちゃんの言い分も一理あるし、キーフリーはそれを尊重すべきだと思うな。普通くん
Lindbrum
Right, but he wiped just enough to make Nolnoa forget about the whole thing... well, that was my impression, at least.
せやな、でもノルノアの記憶から全部消すくらいにはちゃんと拭き取ってたんやろな…ワイはそう見えたわwww2ちゃん
Luiiss26
Why can't I shake the feeling that Qifrey isn't as nice as he seems? He's obviously obsessed with this forbidden magic and, as I understand it, even made the grandfather forget what happened. It's all very strange.
このキーフリーのキャラクター、確かに胡散臭さを感じさせる部分があるよな。彼が禁術に執着しているのは明白で、しかも推測するに、祖父の記憶を意図的に消去させた可能性が高い。この行動パターンを分析すると、単なる善人では説明がつかない深層心理が透けて見える。制作陣はここで、表面上の優しさの裏に潜む暗部を巧みに伏線として配置しているんだろうな。考察くん
Calvinooi
I hope Coco helps create like a colourblind glasses for Tartah, since she's all about helping people
ココがタルタのために色覚異常用メガネみたいなのを作ってくれたらいいな。彼女は人助けが全てだからね。普通くん
warpspeed100
Me too! I get that directly fixing his eyes would be forbidden, but she could make glasses that change color into various black/white crosshatched patterns.
それな!目を直接直すのが禁術なのは分かるけど、白黒のクロスハッチ柄に変わるメガネくらい作れただろッ!感情くん
samiamrg7
SO THE BRIMHATS DO TATTOO SPELLS ON THEMSELVES! I hope we get to see that. Someone (probably completely crazy) just taking off their shirt and being completely covered in spells is too good.
なるほど、ブリムハットは自分に呪文のタトゥーを入れてるのか! そのシーン見てみたいな。誰か(多分完全にイカれてるやつ)がシャツ脱いだら体中呪文だらけってやつ、最高すぎるだろ。普通くん
warpspeed100
Right!? I never considered that! Imagine tattooing either a home teleport or a shield spell on either butt cheek, and then the spell activates when you clench.
草ァ!それ考えたことなかったわwww ケツの穴にホームテレポートかシールド呪文入れるンゴ?しかもケツ締めたら起動するとかガチで天才やんwww2ちゃん
samiamrg7
My favorite is a flashbang spell with no circle on your leg. You make an “ok” sign with lines on your fingers, place it over the runes and BAM, gott’em!
一番好きなのは、脚に魔法陣なしで使える閃光呪文だね。指でOKサインを作って、その線をルーンに重ねると、バーン!って感じで決まるんだよ!普通くん
ryenaut
😭
草ァ…泣いてもうたわ2ちゃん
DrySoggyNoodles
A weird detail is that the memory wipe sigil seems to be all black and 'drawn with white' (if we assume that the black of Qifrey's lens is a memory wipe contraption) I wonder, is the memory wipe sigil actually made using negative space, drawn with an 'absence' of ink on a magical ink background?
確かに気になる点だね。記憶消去の印が全部黒くて白で描かれてるように見えるの、キーフレイのレンズの黒い部分がその装置だとしたら面白い。 もしかして、記憶消去の印って魔法のインクの背景に「インクのない部分」で描かれたネガティブスペースなのかな?普通くん
BoomSaysTheLady
Great theory!
草、その考察ガチでワイのドツボやわwww2ちゃん
K3R003
that actually sounds really cool, my headcanon until later
それマジで面白そうじゃん!?私の中でこの後もずっとそれが正解ってことにしとくわ笑ギャル
myrmonden
原文
QIFREY IS EVIL !!!!!!!!! it was cool that Richeh saved them and then --- it got predictable that of course the COPS hates Qifrey they are like.....OH OF COURSE ITS UUUUR STUDENTS ! I freaking called it, she did tamper with her INK AND I also called it that INK they use special no way it was only gonna be 1 kind of ink \- kid is color blind I saw it a mile away, especially as Men are much more likely be color blind (X chromosome for colorblindness) but yeah here it seems like some strange magic curse basically, so who is gonna have GOLD eyes Reaction/review
ワイ「QIFREY悪役やんけ!!!!!!!」 リチェが助けたのはカッコよかったけど、その後は読めたわ。案の定コップ共がキーフリー嫌ってて「ああそうそうお前の生徒かよ」みたいなwww 予想通りやったわ。インクいじってたし、特殊インクが1種類だけなわけないやんって思ってたしな。 \- あのガキは色盲やろ、ワイ最初から見抜いたわ。特に男の方が色盲になりやすいしな(X染色体の関係で)。でも今回はなんか呪いっぽいな。で、黄金の瞳持ってるのは誰やねん。 感想/レビュー的な。2ちゃん
RyuzakiPL
He's fully colorblind and achromatopsia is caused by a gene that isn't gender-specific. There's technically a very rare type of monochromatism even among this extremely rare condition that is also gender-based, but generally, when talking about full colorblindness, it's basically 50-50.
彼は完全な色覚異常で、全色盲の原因になる遺伝子は性別に関係ないんだよね。この超レアな症状の中でも性別に基づく単色覚のタイプも一応あるけど、基本的に完全な色盲は男女半々って感じだよ。普通くん
marijuanaplvnt
Just from watching this episode, I feel coco is gonna develop a magic spell to cure silverwash lmaoo
え、このエピ見た感じだとココがシルバーウォッシュ治す魔法とか開発しそうじゃね!?笑ギャル
CaiSant
Peepul who watched it in dub, huv ye noticed the pure heavy Sco'ish accent of the boy an the auld man? Teachers in this world are Bri'ish an artisans are Sco'ish?
吹き替えで見た人、少年と老人のスコットランド訛りがめっちゃ強かったの気づいた?この世界の教師はイギリス英語で職人たちはスコットランド訛りってことか?普通くん
somebasicaccountname
Huh? They're Irish, not Scottish and the accent comes more from character design than occupation excluding Coco who is the only American accent to actively separate her and an outsider in this world of witches
ん?彼らはスコットランド人じゃなくてアイルランド人だよ。で、アクセントは職業というよりキャラクターデザインから来てると思われる。ただココだけは唯一のアメリカンアクセントで、彼女をこの魔女の世界におけるアウトサイダーとして明確に分離する意図が感じられるな。制作陣のキャラ付けの妙だ。考察くん
No-xie
i love how the anime is showing us a lot of signs that wasnt shown on manga <3
わかる!アニメが漫画にはなかった伏線をたくさん見せてくれてるのエモすぎるッ!<3感情くん
Character_Drive6141
Like what? This episode was 1 to 1 with the manga iirc
え、まじで?この回、原作と完全に同じだったじゃん!やばくない?笑ギャル
No-xie
the sand bridge sigil and the tartah's doorknob sigil, on last episode it was the raincleaver group of signs
最後のエピソードの砂の橋の紋章とタルタのドアノブの紋章、そしてレインクリーバーのサインのグループ…この伏線エモすぎるッ!感情くん
LynxyShinx
Qifrey, you're scaring me. Don't fall to the black ink!
キーフリー、ちょっと怖いよ。黒いインクに染まらないでくれ!普通くん
uwu_mewtwo
Who the fuck is Qifrey that he can get away with breaking all the rules to take in an outsider forbidden magic caster as an apprentice, then hold a sword to a cop's neck, only to have the cops eventually slink off with some face-saving grumbles?
このキーフリーって一体何者なんだよ。禁術使いの部外者を弟子に迎えるために規則を破りまくり、しかも衛兵に剣を突きつけて脅し、挙げ句の果てには衛兵たちが「面目を保つための愚痴」を言いながら退散するって展開、ちょっとご都合主義すぎないか?考察くん
BoomSaysTheLady
Qifrey is basically a nepo-baby. Even got his bestie as the watchful eye of his atelier.
Qifreyって完全にネポベビーやんwww 親友を工房の監視役にすりゃいいってガチでチートやろ2ちゃん
alimirakim
Should probably mark this as a spoiler.
これネタバレになるから伏せたほうがいいかもね。普通くん
warpspeed100
Anime only here. I'd also like to know. I don't see any military chevrons or other forms of ranking symbols. I'm curious to know more how their society is organized.
アニメしか見てない勢だけど、俺も知りたいッ!軍の階級章とかランクを示すマークは全然見当たらないんだよな…彼らの社会がどう組織されてるのか、めちゃくちゃ気になる!感情くん
ryenaut
Maybe it’s small and elite enough that everyone knows everyone and their reputation/approx power level/status
まじで小さくてエリート集団すぎて、みんなお互いのこと知りまくってるんじゃね? 実力とかステータスとか大体わかっちゃう感じ!ギャル
detarameReddit
Qifrey's scariness is revealed once again. He really caused a twist to happen during the playing of the ED two times in seven episodes... Richeh is, in fact, kind of goated actually. Seriously; out of all the apprentice witches, she is the only one who has consistently been exclusively awesome.
キーフリーの怖さがまた明らかになったな。7話中2回もED流してる最中に急展開を仕掛けるとかマジでやばい… リチェって実は結構すごいんだよな。正直、見習い魔女の中で一貫してカッコいいのは彼女だけだと思うわ。普通くん
MRV-12
Well ink mixed with other components gains different properties… and human blood is particularly potent. Yikes. There is definitely a mystery about Qifrey’s right eye. Also I checked and ‘silverwash’ isn’t a real world condition. Perhaps it is leftover from the old magic wars?
インクに他の成分混ぜると性質変わるって…人間の血は特に強力なんか。ひええ。 キーフリーの右目、絶対なんか秘密あるやろな。 あと「silverwash」って調べたけど実在の病名ちゃうんか。多分昔の魔法戦争の名残とかなんやろな。2ちゃん
Normal-Pie1926
There is a medical condition called complete achromatopsia that silverwash is probably based on
「銀洗」っておそらく完全色覚異常っていう医学的状態が元になってるんだね普通くん
MRV-12
I stand corrected, clearly I spoke too soon!
あらま!私が早とちりしちゃったじゃん!やばいね笑ギャル
Felab_
I kinda wanted to see Qifrey erase memories and not it being off-screen 😭.
チーフレイの記憶消すシーン、オフスクリーンは草も枯れるンゴ😭 もっと見たかったわ2ちゃん
creepig
I just assumed he scared the old man, myself.
あたし的には、あの爺さんビビらせただけだと思うんだけどな笑ギャル
IAmTheOldCrow
It is now apparent Qifrey's glasses are symbolic of his nature. I am sure there is an in-world reason for them; at a guess they are his version of an eyepatch.
キーフリーの眼鏡が彼の本質を象徴しているのは明らかになってきたね。世界観的に理由があるんだろうけど、個人的には彼なりの眼帯みたいなものじゃないかと思う。普通くん
alimirakim
God I feel like such a moron, my brain has literally never made that connection before.
マジで自分バカすぎて泣いた、今までその繋がりにまったく気づかなかったんだよな…ッ!感情くん
Prof_Acorn
IMO that scene with Iguin made it even more clear that they are characterized as the dawn, Eos, and the dawn bringer and morning star, Eospheros, or what we know it as, Venus. (And what the Romans referred to as Lucifer). It's also pretty cool to see 5am lighting conditions. Don't see it too often in anime.
イグィンのあのシーンは、彼らが暁の女神エオス、そして暁をもたらす明けの明星エオスフェロス、つまり我々が知る金星(ローマ人がルキフェルと呼んだもの)として特徴づけられているのをさらに明確にしたと思う。 加えて、午前5時の照明条件が描かれているのもかなり興味深い。アニメでああいう時間帯の光の表現はあまり見かけない。考察くん
Sad_Consideration_79
Now we're on Volume 3, let's gooo 🎉
3巻突入かよ、待ってましたわ🎉 ワイのテンション爆上がりやンゴwww2ちゃん
Character_Drive6141
I really hoped we'd finish the second test arc by the end of this season, but at this pace I worry that they'll end it at the end of vol 4, which will be so disappointing
確かに第2試験編が今期で終わると思ってたけど、このペースだと4巻終わりで終わりそうで嫌だな。普通くん
Sad_Consideration_79
Well, Im assuming next episode is Coco and Tartah, and we still have 4 more episodes left, which will probably be all dedicated to the second test
次回はココとタルタ回やろな。残り4話は多分第二試験にフルで使うンゴwww 楽しみすぎて草2ちゃん
uwu_mewtwo
Give it to me straight, manga readers, is the whole "Coco doesn't actually get a new pen" bit going to go on for a while?
え、まじで!?マンガ勢にガチで聞きたいんだけどさ、ココが新しいペンもらえないって展開ってまだ続くの?笑ギャル
warpspeed100
Anime only here. I'm predicting she ends up getting special pen that is more emotionally significant to her than one she could buy from a stationary store.
アニメ勢だけど、彼女が最終的に文房具屋で買えるペンよりも感情的に大事な特別なペンを手に入れるんじゃないかなって予想してる。普通くん
uwu_mewtwo
It's presumably the white and blue one with a bulging handle that we see at the end of the OP, shaped subtly like the stones she uses. I just want her to get it! Being in the OP I guess we can at least expect it this season.
OPの最後に出てくる、取っ手が膨らんだ青と白のやつやろな。あれ、彼女が使う石に微妙に形似せえへん? とにかくワイはあれを手に入れてほしいンゴ! OPに出てるっちゅうことは、今期には出てくるやろな。2ちゃん
SugarAndScarves
Mild manga spoilers, >!it's gonna take a while. This season will tell us how she'll eventually get it, but she won't actually get it until the end of season 2 or the beginning of season 3 depending on pacing. She gets it chapter 50!<
マンガのネタバレだけど、>!結構時間かかるよ。今期はどうやって手に入れるかが描かれるだけで、実際に手に入るのは2期の終わりか3期の始まりぐらいじゃないかな。原作50話で手に入れるんだよね。!<普通くん
UnfallenAdventure
原文
I have a theory! (As an anime only watcher, I don’t want spoilers please 😭) >! I was thinking about this eye disease Qifrey mentioned. He was so empathetic about it, it makes me wonder if that’s why he has one eye completely covered. His glasses are circular, which cannot be an accident— this show loves its circles. So maybe he made some adaptive glasses for himself, and that’s why one lens is dark? Or maybe it’s just a cool character design and I’m thinking too hard. !<
【ネタバレ注意!アニメ勢やで】 ワイの妄想なんやけどな… >! キーフリーが言うてた眼病の話、あいつめっちゃ共感してたやん? だから片目隠してるんちゃうか。丸メガネも絶対偶然ちゃうやろ、この作品やたら丸モチーフ多いし。もしかして自作の補正メガネで、レンズ片方暗くしてるとか? いや単なるデザインで考えすぎかもしらんけどなwww !<2ちゃん
JimLin12347
Can anyone explain to me why Qirfey would bring the tampered bottle to Nolnoa at the first place since it seems like Qirfey kind of knew as soon as he grabbed the bottle the first time.
やばくない!?キルフェーって最初にボトル掴んだ時点でなんか気づいてたっぽいのに、なんでわざわざノルノアに持ってったんだろ??まじ意味わかんないんだけど笑ギャル
cheyrn
That sounds like the reaaon. He wanted confirmation from the person who makes ink.
ああ、それだわ!やっぱりそういう理由だったのか…インクを作る人から直接確認を取りたかったんだな。納得すぎるッ!感情くん
warpspeed100
I got the impression that Gramps was a longtime confidant and friend, so Qifrey wanted a second opinion just to be sure.
え、グランパって長年の相談相手で親友って感じだったんだ!てかキーフレイが確認のために意見聞きたかったってこと?まじで信頼関係やばくね!?ギャル
Character_Drive6141
Why is monochromatic vision so bad? most of the work of the witches is drawing with black ink on white parchment. I feel like the ONLY role he's not suited for is to mix inks, lol
モノクロ視覚ってそんなに悪いのか?魔女の仕事のほとんどは白い羊皮紙に黒インクで描くことだしな。インクを混ぜる役だけは向いてないって感じだけどね、笑普通くん
Merrile
原文
Given that good eyesight is important to a witch (you probably need to be able to quicky identify seals and discern ink tones at a glance so you always know what you're dealing with), any kind of vision impairment, particularly something as severe as monochromatic colourblindness, probably means it's extraordinarily hard to get any practiced witch to take you on as an apprentice. Even if there are accomodations that could be made regarding that, old traditions and attitudes die hard etc.
ワイの考察やけど、魔女にとって視力は超重要やろ(一瞬で印章見分けてインクの色調を判別せなあかんし)。特に単色色盲みたいな重度の視覚障害あると、熟練魔女が弟子に取ってくれる確率ガチで低そうやな。たとえ調整可能でも、古い慣習はそう簡単に変わらんしな…2ちゃん
CockroachDizzy3003
原文
My theory for a potential Silvewash eyes subplot: Someone research's a way to "correct" Tartah's silverwash eyes with some sort of enchanted glasses, similar to how real life "colour blind glasses" work (or at least how I think they work) just with Sigils on the lens. We heard Tartah mention that one of the powders can make magic sigils invisible once cast, so in theory if someone managed to engineer a sigil or sigils that could somehow help people with silverwash eyes see colour and use that powder in their ink could make the "Silverwash corrective glasses" and lead to Tartah getting to learn magic in some form. Copium cause I feel bad for the kid? Most likely but I still think it could be a cool exploration of the magic system for everyday utility items. Thoughts? I'm anime only rn so please no spoilers if something happens in the manga that throws this theory out the window please and thanks 😊
シルバーウォッシュアイに関するサブプロットの考察: - タルタのシルバーウォッシュアイを「矯正」する魔法の眼鏡の可能性について。現実の色覚矯正メガネのように、レンズにシジルを刻む方式だと推測。 - 第1話で「粉末を使うと魔法のシジルを不可視化できる」というタルタの発言を踏まえると、理論上は色覚を補助するシジルをインクに混ぜて「矯正眼鏡」を作れるのでは?そうすればタルタも魔法を学べるかもしれない。 - 単なる願望(コピウム)かもしれないが、日常的な魔道具としての魔法体系の拡張として面白いと思う。 - アニメ勢なので、マンガでこの理論が崩れる展開があればネタバレなしでお願いします!考察くん
abi_rdgz
is it a plot hole that the magic to make sand went out of control but not the magic to make wind? Cause i'm pretty sure that Coco used the same magic ink for both magic circles in the last episode
ココが最後の回で両方の魔法陣に同じ魔法インクを使ったのは確かだけど、砂の魔法は暴走したのに風の魔法は暴走しなかったのって、プロットホールなんじゃないかな?普通くん
Emotional_Strain_693
She might have broken the circle before it progressed into the more powerful effect. It seems like it takes a while to ramp up? Otherwise it would have been apparent that something was wrong when she used it to free Custas.
彼女はあの円環がより強力な効果に発展する前に、それを破壊した可能性が高いな。効果が発現するまでに時間差があると推測できる。もし即効性があるなら、クスタスを解放した時点で異常に気づいていたはずだしな。考察くん
Achiruetal
I think the difference is that the ink dissolved into the riverbed after she cast it whereas the ink stayed on her cloak for the wind spell.
ワイ的には、魔法使った後にインクが川底に溶けて消えたのがポイントやろ。風の魔法の時はマントに残ってたのに。そこが違いやな。2ちゃん
Achiruetal
It could also be that between the two spells is when the masked witch added their blood to the twinned vial.
なるほど!仮面の魔女が二重の小瓶に血を加えたのは、あの二つの呪文の間のタイミングってわけか…!それアリだわ!考察しすぎて頭パンクしそうだけど納得できた!感情くん
ryenaut
Is human blood the only additive to the Ink? That seems too simple for no one else to have figured out, maybe the blue hue indicates there’s another additive as well? Then again maybe the taboo around using your body in magic is strong enough that really it’s another closely guarded and surprisingly simple secret.
人間の血だけがインクの材料ってのはシンプルすぎて誰も気づかなかったってのは考えにくいよな。青みがかってるってことは他にも材料があるんじゃない? でもまあ、魔法で自分の体を使うのがタブー視されてるからこそ、実はシンプルな秘密が厳重に守られてるって可能性もあるかもね。普通くん
popileviz
There's likely more to it, maybe Brimmed Hat blood is altered with magic somehow? They use it on themselves after all and make magic tattoos too
それだけじゃないやろ。つば広帽の血って魔法でなんか変質してる可能性あるやん? 自分らに使って魔法のタトゥーも作ってるしな2ちゃん
No-Drag-2926
原文
I'm literally gnawing on my fingers to try and not pick up the manga (bc I want to be fully immersed in the anime), but the reveal of the brimmed caps blood in the ink is seriously bothering me, and what does that have to do with the silverwood tree ????? Silverwood tree in relation to silverwash eyes ???? Lmao I'm definitely grasping at straws, but again a knockout episode this week. Now to do my weekly rewatch from episode 1!
マンガ読まずにアニメだけで楽しみたいんだけど、つば広帽の血がインクに混ざってるってのはマジで気になるわ。それに銀樹とどう関係あるんだ???銀樹って銀色の目と関係あるのかな???まあ考えすぎかもだけど、今週も神回だったね。さあ、第1話から毎週の見直しだ!普通くん
Prof_Acorn
>!Notice who interrupted them the second they started talking about the brim caps? Coincidence? Maybe. But I still can't shake the feeling that Olruggio is Iguin.!<
えっ!?つば付き帽子の話し始めた瞬間に割って入ったやつ、気づいた?偶然かな?でもまじでオルルジオがイグインなんじゃないかって思えて仕方ないんだけど!ギャル
tchaikovskys_nostril
What makes you say that?
そう思う理由を教えてくれる?普通くん
Prof_Acorn
It's full of manga spoilers to make my speculation argument, but:
マジで漫画のネタバレだらけになって私の推論を説明する感じなんだけどさ!ギャル
tchaikovskys_nostril
There are many good points in that thread that refute the argument though. Personally leaning more towards the grafted tree theory.
あのスレッドには反論としての良い指摘がたくさんあるね。個人的には接ぎ木された木理論の方が有力だと思う。普通くん
lolhellogod
>!Doesn't sound like him though, can't believe he lost the scottish when he became evil!<
草、悪堕ちしたらスコットランド訛り消えたのかよワロタwww2ちゃん
Prof_Acorn
>!When has a secret identity between two characters ever been revealed by an adaptation casting choice? Like talk about completely spoiling a future plot twist.!<
「まじかよ…キャスティングだけで伏線バラしちゃうってどういうことだよ!完全に未来の展開ネタバレしてるじゃん…しんどすぎるッ!」感情くん
krustykrus
Qifrey is a fraud for preaching how evil memory erasing is, then turning around and doing the exact same thing himself 😢
キーフリー、記憶消去が悪いって説教しておきながら自分で同じことやるのは詐欺師すぎるだろ😢普通くん