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ダダ山脈の試験
本来魔法使いになる資格のない一般人「知らざる者」ココが弟子として迎え入れられたことを快く思わないアガットは、仲間として認めてほしければ、魔法使いの弟子入りのための試験「王の許し」に合格するよう告げる。
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VoidRay728
All that and still no recognition from Agott. She is a certified elitist alright.
あそこまでやってもアゴットからの評価は得られないのか。まあ彼女は筋金入りのエリート主義者ってことだろうな。ドライおじ+1066
JzanderN
Qifrey really needs to talk to her about that. If Coco had died, it would have 100% been on her for sending her out there so unprepared without his permission or even knowledge. I wasn't expecting Agott to just accept Coco when she succeeded – it was clearly just an excuse to try to get rid of her – but the girl needs to learn some things about valuing people.
キーファがちゃんとアガットに話すべきだと思う。もしココが死んでたら、100%アガットのせいだよ。彼の許可も知らせもなしに、準備不足のまま送り出したんだから。 ココが成功したからってアガットがすぐに受け入れるとは思ってなかったけど——明らかに厄介払いの口実だったし——でもあの子は人を大事にするってことを学ぶべきだね。普通くん+781
NekoCatSidhe
I am not sure Qifrey realized that it actually was Agott that pushed Coco to do it. She made it sounds like something Coco decided to do on her own.
確かに!キーフリーはアゴットがココをそこまで追い詰めたって気づいてないっぽいよね。アゴットの言い方が完全にココが自分で決めたことみたいに聞こえるし、それやばすぎるッ!感情くん+648
JzanderN
That's a fair point, and I don't blame Qifrey for not telling Agott off immediately, but when Coco showed her the proof it should have at least told him that Agott at least told her about it if not made her do it. Even if Agott merely told her about it and then showed her the portal ('cause how else would Coco have known where to go?), that's still worth a serious talk about.
確かに、その考察は興味深い。キーフリーがあの時点でアゴットを即座に叱らなかった理由も理解できる。ただ、ココが証拠を見せた時点で、少なくともアゴットが彼女にその方法を教えたことは認識できたはずだ。 仮にアゴットが単に情報を伝えただけで、自ら転移魔法を見せたとしても(そうでなければココが行き先を知る術はない)、それだけでも重大な話し合いに値すると思う。アゴットの意図が「やらせた」のか「教えただけ」なのかは別として、結果的にココが危険な行動に出た原因を作ったのは間違いない。この辺りの師弟関係の描かれ方が、今後の伏線になっている可能性も考えられる。考察くん+374
Zemahem
I do hope that gets revealed. Cause it rubs me the wrong way if Agott doesn't face consequences for that stunt. And so does the fact that Coco seems to have only respect for Agott and a desire to prove herself, when the latter held nothing but contempt for her and wanted to get rid of her.
それマジで明かされてほしいわ。Agottがああいう真似しといてノーダメは納得いかんやろ。しかもCocoがAgottにリスペクトしか持ってなくて「認められたい」って思ってるのに、向こうは最初っからCocoのこと見下して排除しようとしてたってのがムカつくンゴwww2ちゃん+218
CommanderZx2
That doesn't even make sense, Coco doesn't even have the knowledge of how to operate the window nor about the tests. Why would she willing throw herself at at test solo that she doesn't know about nor how to get to? Obviously someone else told her to do it.
ふむ…ココが自らの意志で窓を使い、試験に挑んだなどというのは、運命の歯車を無視した愚かな誤解に過ぎぬ。彼女はその仕組みも試験の本質も知らぬのだ。誰かが彼女の背を押した、それ以外に説明などありえぬ。アゴットこそが、その影の導き手であろう。中二病+172
Gibbs-free
Well Coco immediately went up to Agott in front of him and said 'hey Agott, I did the thing you told me to do!'.
え、それってココがキーフリーの前で「アガット!言われたことやったよ!」って言っちゃったってことじゃん!やばくね!?笑ギャル+35
kalirion
He'd have to be a moron to not realize it when Coco came up to her and said "this is what I need to pass, right?"
確かに、ココが「これがあれば合格できるんでしょ?」って言ってたし、気づかない方がおかしいよね。普通くん+18
bimbo_bear
Coco literally runs up to her and presents the flower to her in front of Qifrey and the others. So far this whole thing screams to me that Qifrey is a terrible teacher.
同意www ココがキフレの前で花を渡しに行ったんだよな これ見てるとキフレ、マジで教師としてダメなんじゃねーの笑wwwおじ+7
BreadstickNinja
原文
It's Qifrey's fault, too. He told Coco she should try to learn what she could from the other apprentices before he left. She did exactly what he said, following Agott's advice. But despite the gentle scolding, as the girls go upstairs, Qifrey can be seen heading over to the pile of Coco's belongings with the flying cloak. The scene ends there, but clearly he wants to figure out how she possibly managed to accomplish it - a harder trial than any of the other girls would have faced, with the Dadah Range at its greatest height.
それもキーフリーの責任だよね。彼が「他の見習いから学べること学んでみな」って言ったから、ココはその通りにアゴットのアドバイスに従っただけだし。 でも優しく叱った後、キーフリーが飛びマントを手にココの荷物の山に向かうシーンで終わるんだよな。明らかに彼は、他のどの子より難しい試練(最大高度のダダ山脈)をどうやってココが達成したのか解明しようとしてるんだと思う。普通くん+6
SasparillaTango
Agott straight up trying to get Coco killed. She knew she wasn't prepared, she knew how it was the most dangerous it could be.
まじでAgottやばくね!?Cocoが死んでたら完全に彼女のせいじゃん。準備できてないの分かってて、しかも危険な状況なのに送り出したんでしょ、やばすぎる笑ギャル+125
CyanPhoenix42
I was thinking maybe she was just rushing Coco so that she'd fail but didn't know it was dangerous at that time or something, but no she straight up admits she knows Coco could have died. I really hope they don't just brush past it next episode.
アガットがココを死なせようとしてたってのは考えすぎかと思ったけど、実際危険って分かっててやったんだな。次回で簡単に流さないでほしいわ。普通くん+61
pratzc07
Well her dumbass logic was that Coco would just give up and then come back.
Agottマジで草生えるわ 「諦めて帰ってくるやろ」とかいうガバガバ理論www 結果的にCoco死にかけてるやんけ2ちゃん+14
CardAble6193
Qifrey ( and the writer) dont really concern with these little things like child getting killed , or children with access to power like C4 unattended
確かに、Qifreyはちゃんと話し合うべきだよね。もしCocoが死んでたら、彼女の責任だったと思う。でも、Qifrey(と作者)は、子供が殺される可能性とか、C4みたいな危険な力に子供が触れることとか、そういう細かいことにはあまり気にしてないんだろうな。普通くん+8
ChicaneryFinger
I was hoping some of the other apprentices could give Coco some praise for her accomplishment.
わかる…アガットは完全にエリート主義者すぎるッ!でも他の見習いたちがココの成果をちゃんと褒めてくれるのを期待してたのに…しんどい…感情くん+255
Karavusk
Yeah she just did what they all thought would kill her and not a single person went "wow how the hell did you achieve this?!"
確かに。彼女は皆が死を覚悟した業を成し遂げたというのに、誰一人「お主、どうやってそれを成したのじゃ!?」と驚かぬとは、嘆かわしきことでござるな。武士+286
Ree_For_Thee
They *were* running low on time. Ending seemed a bit rushed. "Here's your clothes" aaand 3 seconds later they're on.
確かに時間足りなかったよね。終わり方ちょっと駆け足すぎた。「はい服」で3秒後には着てるとか無理あるしッ!感情くん+140
BADxW0LF1
Even Qifrey didn't acknowledge her accomplishment! She went through all of that, at the hands of the jerk Agott, and instead of getting even a pat on the back, she's basically scolded for using magic. I really hope there's some character development in the future for Agott, not to mention some punishment for her for what she did.
確かに。キーフリーでさえ認めてくれなかったしね。あれだけ頑張ったのに、アガットのせいで魔法を使ったって叱られるだけってひどすぎる。アガットには今後の成長と、ちゃんと罰を受けてほしいな。普通くん+118
ihileath
> she's basically scolded for using magic I mean, there's a very realistic alternative scenario where Coco slams too hard into something on her flying cloak and just *falls and dies*. Scolding her for reckless behaviour is just kinda necessary.
確かに、我が目に映るは真実の一片。無論、ココの魔法の才は輝く星の如し。されど、飛翔外套で壁に激突し、地に堕ちて命を落とす未来もまた、運命の分岐点として存在しておる。故に、その無謀なる振る舞いを叱るは、まさに必然の戒めなり。中二病+165
TheDoctorHam
原文
I mean he scolded her but then immediately followed it up with giving her the robe and hat, affirming to her that she doesn't need to "prove herself" or any such notion right now. He got at the heart of why she went along with it, though she could have refused Agott 's baiting: her insecurities. There will be plenty of time to teach her more and praise her techniques, but for now he felt he needed to stress the importance of not being too rash, and I'd say that's fair.
いや、確かにキーフリーは彼女を叱ったけど、すぐにローブと帽子を与えたじゃないか。つまり「今は自分を証明する必要なんてない」って暗に伝えてるんだよな。彼女があえてアゴットの挑発に乗った根底には、彼女自身の不安感があったわけだ。技術を褒めたり教えたりする時間はいくらでもあるが、今は無鉄砲にならないことの重要性を強調すべきだと判断したんだろう。その判断は妥当だと思う。考察くん+38
flashmozzg
> she's basically scolded for using magic Because Aggot framed it as Coco going off on her own to prove something not her basically forcing/pushing her to take the test against Coco's best judgement.
確かに、Agottが自分の手柄を認めないのはムカつくよね。普通くん+36
Zemahem
Fr fr. She was an "outsider" as Agott put it, with basically zero experience with magic until now. And yet she managed to pass with far less preparation than probably any of the other apprentices.
せやな。アゴットの言う通りココは「部外者」で魔法の経験ほぼゼロやったんや。それなのに他の見習いより準備不足な状態で合格しとるんやで。ガチですげえわ。2ちゃん+47
Guaymaster
Less preparation (as in none) and when the test range is not normally in use due to its seasonal danger.
それな!準備ゼロなのに、しかも季節的に危険で普段は使われない試験場ってやばくね?笑ギャル+43
Mistral-Fien
Agott set up Coco to fail, and got miffed because she actually succeeded.
確かに。アゴットはココが失敗すると思って仕向けたのに、実際成功しちゃったからムカついたんだよね。普通くん+7
flashmozzg
They all (including Qifrey) think she went out on her own accord to prove something due the way Aggot misrepresented it so they have no reason to praise her for doing something so stupid and silly from their PoV.
まあ、他の見習いたち(キーフリーも含めて)は、アゴットの説明のせいでココが自分勝手に動いて何かを証明しようとしたと思ってるからな。彼らの立場からすれば、そんな馬鹿げた行為を褒める理由はないだろうな。ドライおじ+6
Roonagu
And brave of her to mess with someone who has that kind of upper body strength. SwollCoco would pummel her.
確かにアゴットは認めないよね。完全なエリート主義者だわ。 でもあの上半身の力を持ってる相手にちょっかい出すなんて勇気あるよな。ムキムキココにボコられそう。普通くん+151
namewithak
Coco's ability to hang on one-handed and pull herself up while the the rest of her body weight was dangling in the wind is genuinely impressive. It's like Ippo Makunouchi, but instead of getting strong from lugging around fishing equipment, Coco was lugging around heavy rolls of cloth. Her mom must have been a big fan of child labour lol.
せやな、片手でぶら下がって体重全部支えながら体引き上げるのガチですごかったわ。まるで幕之内一歩やん。でも一歩が漁具運んで強くなったんに対し、ココは重い布のロール運んでたってわけか。母親は児童労働の大ファンだったんやろな草2ちゃん+129
flashmozzg
It's easier when you weigh nothing 😆
確かに体重が軽いとやりやすいよね😆普通くん+84
BosuW
Well unlike pen pusher nerd Agott, Coco grew up in the mountains doing manual labor and crops with no magic assistance 😤😤 These noodle arm wizards or whatever will nut know what hit them! (What hit them will be magical heresy)
せやな、ペン回ししかしてないアガットと違って、ココは山で魔法なしで肉体労働してたからな😤😤 そんなひょろひょろ魔法使いどもには何が当たったかすら分からんやろ!(当たったもんは魔法の異端やけどな)2ちゃん+12
compradorconfundido
Adults need some amount of strenght training to move around like that, but any small kid can climb and swing around with their arms because they are so small
確かに、大人が片手で体重支えてぶら下がるのは筋トレが必要だけど、子供は体が軽いから簡単にできるんだよね。普通くん+6
Superior_Mirage
You never expect the Wizard that put points into Strength. Shame that she made Dexterity her dump stat.
それな!まじで筋力に全振りした魔法使いとか予想外すぎるじゃん笑 でも器用さを捨てちゃったのはちょっともったいなくない?やばすぎるわ〜ギャル+5
Frontier246
If she were in Harry Potter, she would 98% be in Slytherin.
確かに、アガットは完全にエリート主義者だよね。ハリポタで言ったら98%スリザリンに入ってそう。普通くん+112
Se7en_Sinner
The girls could represent all four houses.
確かに!彼女たちだけで4つの寮をカバーできちゃう感じがするよね。めっちゃしっくりくる!感情くん+80
dagreenman18
Well god forbid someone have some drive and ambition! (Totally ignoring Johanna’s lack of literary nuance with the rest of their traits)
確かに、野心と向上心があるだけで悪者扱いされちゃたまらないよね。 (ジョアンナの他のキャラクター性を完全無視してるけどな)普通くん+10
Atharaphelun
If she were in Harry Potter, she would 100% be in Azkaban.
やばくね!?ハリポタ世界だったらアズカバン行き確定ってまじで草w同意!ギャル+8
maliwanag0712
> All that and still no recognition from Agott. She is a certified elitist alright. Well, she does not have (maybe yet?) the protagonist bump that Coco has. Maybe she felt guilty or salty on what could have happened.
アゴットの態度は確かにエリート主義者的だよな。でも彼女には(まだかもしれないけど)ココみたいな主人公補正がない。もしかしたら、自分に何かが起こり得たかもしれないという罪悪感か、悔しさが混ざってるんじゃないかという考察ができる。考察くん+12
AppleDemolisher56
She was totally pissed that Coco actually did it
アゴットが完全にキレてたな、ココが実際にやり遂げたことに。確かにあいつは筋金入りのエリート主義者だよね。普通くん+12
Ebirah
原文
On the one hand, she insists on being a really really special person, and on the other she hates anyone who is not like her. :-\ But trying to get the new apprentice killed is rather excessive, I hope it doesn't go entirely unnoticed, as it seems to have done so far. It would be a pretty reasonable reaction for Master Qifrey to summarily expel her, then she could go off somewhere to be a **proper** evil witch, which is obviously her career ambition. (I predict that this *will* happen eventually, I suspect it will take a lot longer than it ought to, though.)
片や「自分は特別なんだ」ってガチで思い込んでるくせに、片や自分と違うやつは全員嫌いとか草 :-\ でも新米弟子を殺そうとするのはやりすぎやろ。今までスルーされてるみたいだけど、これが完全に無視されるわけにはいかんやろ。 キーフリー先生が即座にクビにしてもおかしくないし、そしたらアイツはどこかで**本物の**悪い魔女になれるわな。それが明らかに彼女のキャリア目標やし(ワイは結局そうなると思うけど、本来よりずっと時間かかるやろうな)2ちゃん+8
saga999
> On the one hand, she insists on being a really really special person, and on the other she hates anyone who is not like her. :-\ And if they are special like her, she probably hates them out of jealousy.
それな。自分は特別だって主張する一方で、自分と違う人を嫌うって感じだよね。もし同じくらい特別な人がいたら、嫉妬で嫌いになりそう。普通くん+8
saga999
原文
She's worse. She's just a hater. She'd do a whole bunch of mental gymnastics to hate. But at the end of the day, they are just that, mental gymnastics. She hates, so she looks for justifications to hate. Not the other way around. It's not because she has the justifications, so she hates. The cause and effect are in reverse here. If Coco strikes down one reason, like we have literally just seen in this episode, she will just find another reason.
アゴットマジでエリート気取りのクソ女やな。ってかそれ以上やろ。ただのアンチやん。脳内で必死に理由こじつけて嫌ってるだけや。でも結局それってただの自己満足の屁理屈やろ。嫌いだから嫌いな理由探してるだけや。理由があるから嫌いなんじゃない、逆やねん。ココが理由を一つ潰しても、今回みたいに別の理由探してくるだけや。ワイはもうムカついてしゃーないわ。2ちゃん+8
karer3is
It's springtime for gatekeepers this summer... We have Eren assaulting aspiring artists (and vandalizing their work) for *daring* to make art that doesn't measure up to her standards and now we have Agott trying to kill her fellow apprentices for the unforgiveable sin of not being born into a family of magicians
確かに。Agottは完全にエリート主義者だよね。夏はゲートキーパーが大活躍だな。Erenが才能ないって理由でアーティスト志望を襲って作品を破壊し、今度はAgottが魔法使いの家系に生まれなかったってだけで同僚を殺そうとしてる。普通くん+7
szalhi
The true reward of all this is Brushbuddy.
全ての報酬はブラッシュバディだッ!!それだけで優勝すぎる!!感情くん+1036
Se7en_Sinner
Now it really feels like a Ghibli movie.
せやな、Brushbuddyこそ真の報酬やろ。もう完全にジブリ映画って感じやんwww2ちゃん+620
Chikumori
Kind of reminds me of Ghibli, and Avatar the Last Airbender: \- Coco uses the shoes in a way that reminds me of Aang's air scooter \- accidentally turned the sail boat into a flying glider staff \- that white furry animal reminds me of Momo. Kind of surprised Qifrey didn't ask her how she got the flower or inspected the cloth with the runes, but there was little episode running time by then.
確かにジブリとAvatarっぽいね。 - ココの靴の使い方がアンのエアスコーター思い出す - ヨットを誤ってグライダーにしちゃうところ - 白いモフモフがモモっぽい キーファリーが花の入手方法とか布のルーン調べなかったのは意外だったけど、あの時点で尺足りなかったんだろうな。普通くん+305
Frontier246
Cabbage Merchants better watch out.
キャベツ商人は気をつけた方がええで草 確かにアバター感あるな、靴の使い方がアングみたいやん2ちゃん+81
AuroraFinem
I hope they mention it next episode, I was honestly waiting for him to ask or look at her sail but there was little more than “You could have died! Don’t do that.” and it kinda let the wind out of the sails for how impressive it was she succeeded. Still a great episode though.
確かに!次回で言及してほしいよね。俺も彼が帆を見るか聞くかするのを待ってたんだけど、「死ぬところだっただろ!やめろ」くらいで終わっちゃって、成功のすごさがちょっと薄れちゃった感じ。でも良い回だったのは間違いない。普通くん+60
bobothegoat
It looked like he was moving toward her pack and the sail at the end of the episode though
確かに、某もそのように見えたでござる。彼が彼女の荷物と帆へ向かって進んでおるように感じた。武士+5
JzanderN
It is straight up out of a Ghibli movie for real, right down to it being Coco's pet now. I got flashbacks to Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle when I saw it.
確かに、ジブリ映画からそのまま出てきたみたいだよね。しかもココのペットになってるあたりがまさにそれ。見たとき『千と千尋の神隠し』とか『ハウルの動く城』思い出したわ。普通くん+127
BuckeyeBentley
Qifreys whole Atelier is very Howls Castle vibes.
確かに!キーフリーのアトリエってまじでハウルの動く城っぽいよね!ジブリ感やばくない!?笑ギャル+105
loki1337
It's giving Howl's Moving Castle. Even the Windowway.
確かに、ハウルの動く城っぽいよね。窓の道までそんな感じだ。普通くん+5
Frontier246
It's not a true magical fantasy adventure without a cute fantasy animal sidekick.
それな!かわいいファンタジー動物の仲間がいなきゃ、まじで魔法冒険物語って感じしないよね!Brushbuddy尊すぎるじゃん!ギャル+143
No_Name0_0
*I've only had Brushbuddy for one ep but if anything happened to it I would kill everyone in this room and then myself*
*Brushbuddyを見たのたった1話だけど、もし何かあったらこの部屋の全員を殺してから自分も死ぬ*普通くん+140
DugACCat
A very cute little friend indeed. And didn’t just run off with her compass like I half expected. 😅
せやな、マジで可愛いやん。コンパス盗んで逃げるかと思ったけど、そんなことなかったンゴね😅2ちゃん+128
Nachtwandler_FS
It's not niffler after all.
それな!まじで逃げるかと思ったけど優しかったじゃん笑 でもやっぱりニフラーじゃなかったんだね〜ギャル+17
fer_sure
I was half expecting brushbuddy to come back with the flower.
確かに、ブラシバディが花を持って帰ってくるとは思わなかったな。かわいいやつだね。普通くん+10
mekerpan
I am surprised that no one commented on her new "pet". Can others not see it? Is it the sort of creature that can be a familiar? What things can it do -- besides looking cute?
え、みんなあの新たな「ペット」に触れてないの!?マジで俺だけ??他の人には見えてないのかな…あれって使い魔的な存在なの?可愛いだけじゃなくて何かできるの?気になりすぎるッ!!感情くん+71
SSjjlex
I wonder if the "Brush" in brushbuddy has any relevance to magic brushes or if that just means brush like plants. Well, at least we know what the other half mean. "Buddy" as in friend. because it is friend shaped 😊
「Brushbuddy」の"Brush"が魔法の筆を指すのか、それとも単に植物のブラシ(藪)を意味するのか、気になる考察ポイントだな。 少なくとも"Buddy"の部分は「友達」という意味で確定だ。なぜなら、あの姿がまさにフレンドリーな形状をしているからな。制作陣が意図的にダブルミーニングを仕込んでいる可能性は高い。考察くん+69
Cognitive_Dissonant
If I heard it correctly I think Coco called him "Fudemushi" (筆虫) which means brush bug, specifically a writing or painting brush. So I believe it is the writing implement, not the plant.
それなw よく聞いたらココが「フデムシ」って呼んでたわ。筆虫って意味で、つまり筆のことだな。植物の方じゃなくて画材の方だと思う笑wwwおじ+34
Guaymaster
I mean it also looks pretty brushy
確かに見た目も結構ブラシっぽいよね普通くん+10
cyberscythe
i assume it's like how in the Pokemon universe everything revolves around pokemon in a world where magic is ruled by drawing, things are named through the lens of "when your tool is drawing, everything looks like an implement"
「BrushbuddyのBrush」が魔法の筆を指すのか、それとも植物の茂みを指すのかという話か。ポケモン世界の万物がポケモンを中心に回っているのと同じで、この世界では魔法が描画によって支配されている以上、道具が描くものなら何でも「筆」に見えるという視点で命名されている、という考察ができるな。つまり両方の意味を内包している可能性が高い。考察くん+6
JzanderN
I'm guessing they were just focused on the fact that Coco was back, alive and well 'cause it's not the only thing they ignored in favour of just making sure she was alright.
確かに、みんなココが無事に戻ってきたことに集中してたんだろうね。他にも気になる点はあったけど、彼女の無事を確認する方が優先だったんだと思う。普通くん+58
goffer54
I mean, they're literally called brush*buddy*s so, at the very least, they're not harmful. It would be funny if they were relatively common and quickly attach to people so that Coco coming back with one isn't so remarkable. Just like, "Congratulations, Coco. The brushbuddy distribution system has chosen you".
せやな、そもそもブラシ*バディ*って名前やし、害はないやろ。 「ブラシバディ配給システムがお前を選んだぞ、ココ」みたいなノリで、結構普通にいてすぐ人に懐くなら、ココが連れ帰っても特に驚かれへんのちゃう?草2ちゃん+40
mekerpan
But a fair amount of attention WAS given to Agott's anger/disgust over the fact that Coco had succeeded despite her attempt to harm her and make her fail. Everyone seems to have ignored Agott's (quiet) tantrum.
確かに、ココが無事に帰ってきたことばかり注目されてたけど、アゴットが自分がココを傷つけようとしたのに成功されたことへの怒りや嫌悪感にも結構焦点当たってたよね。みんなアゴットの(静かな)癇癪を見逃してる気がする。普通くん+11
quietvictories
I think its not that rare of an animal
え、それってあんまレアな生き物じゃないってこと!?マジで?私も最初見たとき「何これ!」ってなったんだけど笑ギャル+7
SmileyTheSmile
I've always liked sausages. And I've always liked my long white cat. Needless to say, I'm extremely jealous.
確かに、Brushbuddyが全ての報酬だよね。 俺はずっとソーセージが好きだった。 そして長毛の白い猫もずっと好きだった。 言うまでもなく、めちゃくちゃ羨ましいよ。普通くん+10
effseedee
Any proper witch needs a familiar. (And a brim on their hat, but that one lady's line suggests that's a Whole Thing.)
それなッ!ブラッシュバディこそ最高の報酬すぎる!! (そしてつばも大事だけど、あの女性のセリフ的にそれだけで話がでかくなりそうだな…)感情くん+5
unga_bunga_mage
Agott taking two steps up the stairs at a time. This girl is BIG MAD. Stay salty, Agott. Take that L bahahaha.
アゴットが階段を2段飛ばしで上がってるの笑う。この子めっちゃキレてるな。そのまま拗ねてろアゴット。完敗だぞwwww普通くん+795
BELIEVER4282
This comment is so funny for some reason since she is just a kid, but I feel the same way. I hated what she did however I have hopes of a good redemption plot coming up maybe.
わかるwwアゴット小さい子供なのにこのコメントめっちゃウケるwでも俺も同じ気持ち。あの行動はムカついたけど、今後の更生エピに期待してる。感情くん+217
steeltrain43
She definitely has the setup of a character who we're supposed to hate at first but by the end of the midpoint climax, she's a fan favorite, either friend or friendly rival. Could also go the direction of making her a more direct rival and personal villain our protagonist has to overcome.
確かに。彼女のキャラ設定って、最初は嫌われるタイプだけど中盤のクライマックスあたりでファンのお気に入りになるパターンだよね。友達か良きライバルになるか、もっと直接的なライバルや主人公が乗り越えるべき個人的な敵になる可能性もあると思う。普通くん+113
NotGloomp
Should've given us a reason to care at first, like make her compelling or cool in some way, or have an entertaining personality despite their dickishness.
それな!最初から「こいつムカつく!」って思わせるだけじゃなくて、ちゃんと魅力的なとこ見せてくれないとやばくね?笑 性格悪くてもカッコよかったり面白かったりしたらまだ許せるんだけどな〜ギャル+13
LimeyLassen
Pokemon rival vibe
確かに!完全にポケモンのライバル感あるわ。最初はムカつくけど、後半で化けるタイプ!しんどすぎるッ!感情くん+9
Brystvorter
It would be refreshing actually if she just stays a mean bitch the whole time or even turns evil because that would be an antitrope at this point
まじそれな!ずっと意地悪なままとか、むしろ悪役に転んじゃうパターンって逆に新鮮じゃない?笑ギャル+8
Jacob-C
I was trying to tell myself that she's just a kid throughout the entire episode. However, I couldn't shake the feeling that I despise her (for now).
確かに。ずっと「まだ子供だしな」って自分に言い聞かせてたんだけど、どうしても今のところは嫌いだって気持ちが消えなかったな。普通くん+21
BlobBro
Hating her right now is fine and probably the normal reaction. Some people are getting weird about it though, I've seen a bunch of people wishing physical harm on her or saying if she gets character development the show is bad and they'll still hate her forever lol
せやな、今は嫌いでも普通の反応やろ。でも一部のやつらがキモくなってて、物理的危害を願ったり「こいつが成長したらクソアニメ確定、永遠に嫌い」とか言い出すのは草生えるわwww2ちゃん+11
LonelyAstronaut984
me too
確かに。ずっと「子供なんだ」って自分に言い聞かせてたけど、やっぱり気になるよね。普通くん+7
CardAble6193
it is cool in a weird way the writer calculated the first 3 chapters tone in this finish: Worse than Baku bully , no teacher found , no punish , have the protag say sorry being trapped , still dont accept her so now we are to expect the story........but not highly
アゴットが階段を一段飛ばしで上がる描写、あれは明らかに怒りの表現だよな。作者は最初の3章のトーンを計算し尽くしてるのがわかる。バクのイジメよりタチが悪いし、教師は見つからず罰もなし、主人公は罠にかけられて謝罪までさせられるのに、それでも受け入れてもらえない。 この展開を踏まえると、今後のストーリーに期待はできる……ただし過度な期待は禁物だな。考察くん+6
Se7en_Sinner
I hope Agott's little hazing ritual against Coco doesn't go unpunished. Agott really was acting like a big bad wolf to Coco's little red riding hood.
アゴットがココに対してやってるあのいじめ、ちゃんと罰せられてほしいな。アゴットは完全に大きな悪い狼で、ココは赤ずきんちゃんって感じだったよ。普通くん+743
Frontier246
Thank goodness Tetia genuinely cares about Coco even if they only just met. Even Richeh was with her at the end trying to make sure Qifrey was aware that Coco needed help.
それな!テティアは出会ったばっかなのにココのことめっちゃ気にかけててまじ天使じゃん!リーチェも最後はちゃんと一緒にいて、キーフリーにココが助け必要って伝えてたし、いい子たちすぎる〜!ギャル+329
CooroSnowFox
Agott is very isolated at the Atelier, mainly because of even the adverse feelings she has towards Tetia and Richeh and all the more for Coco... she wouldn't eat dinner with them last week... shes stuck in her own world for whatever reason that we definitely will get more into within a few weeks.
確かに、アゴットは工房内でかなり孤立してるよね。特にテティアとリチェに対する複雑な感情がココにも向いてるのが興味深い。先週の夕食を一緒に取らなかった描写は、彼女の内面世界の閉塞感を象徴してると思われる。この数週間でその理由が掘り下げられる伏線だろうな。考察くん+168
Prof_Acorn
Her attitude kind of gave it away this episode didn't it? This whole "I don't want to be around anyone I can't get something from" selfish bullshit.
それな!今回のエピソードで態度に出まくってたじゃん笑 「自分にメリットない奴とは関わりたくない」って感じのあの自己中っぷり、まじやばくね?ギャル+142
mebeast227
They better flash back to her family getting smoked by muggles or something soon so they can justify her bitch ass attitude before she’s the most hated character in anime for the next half decade
あのクソみたいな態度を正当化するために、早く家族がマグルに殺されたとかの過去編を入れてほしい。さもないと向こう5年はアニメで最も嫌われるキャラになるぞ。普通くん+12
MeatballZeitgeist
Yeah, it's one thing for her to be a little bitchy and judgmental but Agott intentionally put her junior's life in danger, that doesn't seem like something Qifrey would just let slide.
それな!ちょっとツンデレなのは可愛いけど、後輩の命を危険にさらすのは完全にアウトじゃん!キーフレイ先生が黙ってるわけないと思うんだけど笑ギャル+208
Khaoticsuccubus
Think the main issue would be that Coco doesn't seem to realize she was being hazed and Agott seemed to frame it to the others as if Coco chose to go there on her own. Though, hopefully Qifrey will realize the truth regardless.
同意。問題の本質は、ココが自分が試されていることに気づいておらず、アガットが彼女が自ら行ったかのように周囲に話をすり替えた点だと思われる。ただ、キーフリーなら真相を見抜いてくれると信じたい。考察くん+180
CommanderZx2
I don't know how Qifrey shouldn't realise what happened. Coco just arrived so she shouldn't have knowledge of how to properly use the window or even about the required tests.
確かにココは新入りだから窓の使い方も試験のことも知らないはずなのに、キーフリーは気づかないはずないよな。普通くん+97
nofaxxspitintruflego
yeah it seemed like this was the case, dear god i hate agott already qiffrey better punish her accordingly, poor coco is so naive q\_q
確かにそれっぽいよね!てかアガットまじでムカつくんだけど笑 キーフリーちゃんと罰してくれよな、ココがあまりにも純粋すぎて泣けるわ〜🥲ギャル+31
cyberscythe
原文
yeah, i waiting to see what reaction Qifrey would have against Agott, but i guess they wanted to give Coco her accolades first Agott likely thought that Coco would give up and fail the test and get rejected from the atelier, but she didn't bank on Coco having the determination to do it or die trying in any case, it's at best a lapse of judgement and at worst intentionally threatening her life (and a lead against the rebel witches), so i'm hoping that Agott faces some sort of reprimand
確かに、アガットがどうなるか気になってたけど、まずはココの活躍を描きたかったんだろうね アガットはココが試験を諦めて失敗すると思ってたんだろうけど、まさか死ぬ気でやるとは思ってなかったってことか いずれにせよ、良くて判断ミス、悪くて意図的に命を脅かした(しかも反逆魔女への手がかりになる)行為だから、アガットには何らかの処分があってほしいな普通くん+36
CptAustus
> i waiting to see what reaction Qifrey would have against Agott Seeing as the episode is over, I doubt there will be any reaction at all.
確かに!キーフリーがアゴットにどう反応するか気になってたんだけど、もう話終わっちゃったしな〜。まあココにスポット当てたかったんだろうね笑ギャル+5
Superior_Mirage
原文
In (tepid) defense of Agott, she fully expected Coco to give up upon seeing the task, because that's what any sane person would have done. She couldn't have expected Coco to have taken a single lesson and bodged it into flying magic -- especially since the only reason it was possible was skill transference from her tailoring. Anyone else would have been incapable of drawing a magic circle that size with any degree of efficacy. Though that really just brings the charges down from "attempted murder" to "reckless endangerment" or "gross negligence". Though I'd also put some of the blame on Qifrey -- he should know Agott well enough by now to realize she wasn't a good candidate to put in charge of Coco. And if he didn't, he needs to actually get to know his apprentices.
アゴットをかばうわけじゃないけど、彼女はココがその課題を見て諦めるって完全に想定してたんだよ。だって普通なら誰だってそうするでしょ。 まさかココがたった一回の授業で、しかも仕立てのスキルを応用して飛行魔法を即席で作るなんて予想できるわけない。あのサイズの魔法陣をまともに描けるのは、他の誰にもできなかったはず。 とはいえ、それで「殺人未遂」から「危険行為」とか「重過失」に罪が軽くなるだけで、責任がなくなるわけじゃないけどね。 でもキーフリーにも責任の一端はあると思う。彼ならアゴットの性格をよく知ってるはずで、ココの指導役に彼女を任せるのが適切じゃないって気づくべきだった。気づいてなかったとしたら、ちゃんと弟子たちのことを知る必要があるよ。普通くん+23
danlong87
原文
this is just my opinion so take it with a huge grain of salt, I would agree with your defense if not for her adding that Coco only has 1 chance at the test and failure means she has to leave the atelier, ergo she has to have her memory erase, meaning she would also lost her chance to save her mother, plus Agott fully knew every dangers of the test: the mountains floats the highest at the time, her shoes will not even reach the top
アゴットの弁護に関しては、確かに一理ある。しかし彼女がココに「試験は一度きりで、失敗したらアトリエを去ることになる」つまり記憶を消され、母親を救うチャンスも失われると付け加えた点を考慮すると、同意しかねる。 加えてアゴットは試験の危険性を完全に理解していたはずだ。当時最も高く浮かぶ山々、靴では頂上にすら届かないという事実を踏まえると、彼女の行動は単なる現実的な判断ではなく、意図的にココの限界を試す、あるいは挫折させるための仕掛けだったという考察ができる。考察くん+22
carnexhat
> she fully expected Coco to give up upon seeing the task, because that's what any sane person would have done. Why when she doesnt fully understand the difficulty of what she is being asked to do would she give up before she has even started?
確かにアガットはココが諦めると思ってたんだろうけど、ココは自分に課されたことの難しさを完全には理解してないから、始める前から諦めるって発想にはならないよね。普通くん+5
NanDemoKnaives
Let alone the fact that she only has one chance at it too, Agott set her to fail her only chance deliberately.
それな!アガットまじやばくね!?怒ってるだけならまだしも、後輩の人生かかった唯一のチャンスをわざと失敗させようとしたんだよ。まじでドン引きなんだけど笑ギャル+8
DirectReplacement795
Accidentally hit her with a water spell one time and she wants to kill her 💀
同意。一回水魔法をぶつけただけで殺す気かよ💀アゴットのあのシゴき、マジで許されないでしょ。大悪狼すぎるわ!感情くん+42
ihileath
> and she wants to kill her Agott didn't want Coco dead; she severely underestimated Coco's resolve, and stated during the episode that she expected Coco to just give up and return home as soon as she realised it was "impossible" for her to complete the test. She definitely did put Coco in lethal danger regardless of intent, though.
せやな、アゴットは別にココを殺そうとしたわけじゃないんやろな - ココの根性を完全に舐めてただけや - 「無理やと気づいたら諦めて帰るやろ」って思ってたらしい - でも結果的に危険な目に遭わせたのは事実やけどな ワイも最初は「えっ殺す気かよ」って思ったわwww2ちゃん+69
sneakyhalfling
Agott wanted Coco gone and didn't mind the possibility of getting her killed to do it. Agott wanted Coco dead, but possibly didn't want to kill her. This was negligent homicide, if she died and we're talking in modern day terms.
確かに、アゴットはココが死ぬ可能性を考えてなかったというより、リスクを軽く見てたって感じだよね。もし死んでたら過失致死ってとこだな。普通くん+38
Bad_Doto_Playa
原文
> Agott didn't want Coco dead TBH there's no way I could actually agree with this at least not fully. She may not have wanted her dead but she obviously didn't care if she died. The fact she gave her the shoes says as much.. she knew the balls would be at their highest during this time, she knew the shoes couldn't make it, she knew the MC had NO IDEA how to fly and could easily have broken her own neck even if the conditions for the test were normal and she did not give all the details of the test to her until AFTER she entered in order to induce desperation. This is on top of her knowing the reason the MC is there and trying to learn magic in the first place.
> Agottはココを殺したくなかった 正直それには完全には同意できンゴwww 少なくとも「死んでも構わない」とは思ってたやろ。靴を渡した時点で察しや。 試験の時期にボールが最大になるのを知ってて、靴じゃ耐えられないのも分かってて、主人公が飛び方なんて全く知らねーのに、普通の条件でも首折る可能性あったのに、試験の詳細を本人が入ってからしか教えなかった。しかも焦らせるためにな。 しかも主人公がなんで魔法を学びに来てるか最初から知ってた上での行動やぞ。2ちゃん+33
pyxyne
_could_ Coco have actually returned home? that portal didn't look like a two-way thing to be honest, ignoring how she probably doesn't know how to operate it anyway
確かに、ココが家に帰れた可能性はあるのかな?あのポータル、正直言って一方通行っぽかったし、そもそも操作方法も知らなさそうだしね。普通くん+9
WiqidBritt
原文
I was really hoping Agott was just kind of a cold loner who thought it was reckless to take in someone who doesn't show proper precautions with magic, and not someone who was actively trying to make Coco fail because she doesn't think she's worthy of learning magic. But hey, in My Hero Academia, Bakugo told Deku to commit suicide and he eventually became a lot of people's favorite characters, so I'm willing to see where her story goes.
確かに、アガットの行動には「冷たいだけの一匹狼」というより、ココに明確に敵意を向けているように見えるシーンがあったな。ただ、僕の考察としては、彼女の態度は単なる嫌がらせ以上に、「無防備に魔法を使う者への警告」という側面も含まれている可能性が高い。つまり、彼女自身が魔法の危険性を痛感しているからこそ、ココに厳しく接しているのかもしれない。 それに、君の言う通り『僕のヒーローアカデミア』の爆豪も序盤はデクに自殺を促すような発言をしていたが、後に深い成長を見せた。アガットも同様に、今後ココとの関係性の中で変化していく伏線と捉えられる。制作陣の意図として、彼女の厳しさが後にココの成長の重要な要素になる展開を期待したい。考察くん+43
Cheetah_05
There's a reason why all the people who genuinely like Bakugo (as a person, not as a character in the show) are weird as fuck
確かに、アガットのああいう態度には理由があるんだろうなって思うわ普通くん+8
ali94127
Depends on if she has a sufficiently traumatizing backstory, which all evidence points toward. Bakugo generally comes off as just being disproportionately an asshole to Deku when the reason is just really stupid.
同意。アゴットのツンデレ的な態度は、単なる冷たい性格ではなく、何らかのトラウマが背景にあると考察できる。爆豪がデクに対して理不尽にキレるのとは違い、彼女の場合は伏線が張られている可能性が高い。過去に何かあって心を閉ざした結果、無自覚に他人を拒絶する行動に出ているんだろうな。制作陣が意図的に描く「成長のきっかけ」としてのキャラ設計だと思われる。考察くん+8
lemon900098
原文
She literally tried to kill Coco. When you intentionally put someone into life threatening danger without warning them, you are attempting to kill them. She also proved that she will only listen to her master if she agrees with him. Why would he trust she would ever follow his orders if he cant trust her not to try to murder a child if he leaves for an afternoon. I have a feeling this will be brushed off, because Coco passed the trial. But even one second of thought would let the master realize that someone helped her put her life in danger.
マジで殺す気やったやんあれ。 警告なしに命の危険がある状況に意図的に放り込むのは、立派な殺人未遂やろ。 しかもあのクソガキ、師匠の言うことに同意した時だけ従うって証明しちゃったじゃん。「午後ちょっと出かけるから子供殺さないでね」って信頼できない相手に、なんで大事な命令を任せられるんだよ。 多分ココが試練クリアしたからって、この件はもみ消されるンゴやろな。でも師匠がちょっと考えれば、誰かがココを危険に晒したって気付くはずやのに。2ちゃん+22
Cheetah_05
Agott knew about the fact that the test was abnormally dangerous at this time, which is why they normally don't let people take it then. She was fully aware of the danger Coco was going to be in.
やばくね!?アゴット、この時期の試験がめっちゃ危険だって知ってたんだよ!だから普通は受けさせないのにって感じじゃん。ココがどんな危険に晒されるか完全に分かってたってことだよね、まじで!ギャル+6
EclipseTM
Qifrey: "I would never let her take the test right now" Next frame: Coco being 'forced' to take the test. I fucking can't LOL
キーファ「今の彼女に試験を受けさせるわけにはいかない」 次のカット:ココが「強制的に」試験を受けさせられる マジで笑うわww普通くん+601
WhoiusBarrel
The fact even Agott knew about the anomaly with the Dadah Range and was purposely pushing Coco to do it so she would fail really goes to show how spiteful she is.
【返信】 Agottがダダー山脈の異常知っててわざとCocoに試験受けさせて落とそうとしたのマジで性格悪すぎンゴwww 「絶対に受けさせない」とか言っといて次のカットで試験受けてるCocoの構図草生えるわ2ちゃん+477
Se7en_Sinner
I hope Agott gets at least a scolding from Qifrey. He probably thinks Coco did it by herself. She could have easily died.
同意。アゴットがダダ山脈の異常を知っててわざとココにやらせたってのは確かに酷いな。キーフリーにちゃんと叱られてほしい。彼はたぶんココが勝手にやったと思ってるだろうけど、あれで死ぬ可能性だってあったんだよ。普通くん+237
Frontier246
I think that was probably at least one thing Agott, while still being a kid, didn't think about was the full scope of the danger. She just thought Coco would probably give up not that she could have really hurt herself. Or at least I hope.
せやな、アガットも子供やし危険の全容までは考えてなかったんやろな。単にココが諦めると思っただけで、マジで怪我するとは思ってなかったんちゃうか。少なくともそう信じたいンゴwww2ちゃん+147
JzanderN
Yeah, had Coco been injured or even killed then that would have been all on Agott for sending her without permission. She really needs to be scolded at least for that.
確かに!もしココが怪我とかしてたら全部アガットのせいじゃん?笑 キーフリーにちゃんと叱られてほしいわ〜まじで。ギャル+15
Zemahem
Yeah. But even if there was no risk, she still deserves to get scolded for deliberately trying to sabotage her fellow apprentice. Because that level of toxic pride and pettiness should not be something Qifrey wants to foster in his students.
確かに。危険がなかったとしても、仲間の見習いをわざと妨害しようとした時点で叱られるべきだと思う。あんなレベルの有害なプライドと小ささは、キーフリーが弟子に育てたいものじゃないしね。普通くん+7
shanatard
i know it'll get brushed over because this seems like a happy show, but there's no way this wouldn't get her kicked out. thought the whole point of hiding magic is so people wouldn't use it for hurting others. this is not someone you want to wield magic unless she does a lot of growing up
わかるけどこのアニメほのぼの路線っぽいからスルーされるやろな… でも普通に考えてこれでクビにならないわけないやん。 隠し魔法の意味って他人を傷つけるために使わせないためやろ? あの子がちゃんと成長しない限り、魔法持たせるのはヤバすぎるンゴwww2ちゃん+8
Metalbound
That's what bothered me. Why did she not tell him that Agott was the one who sent her? How would she even have knowledge of the specifics of the test and how to use the portal thing without someone else telling her? I was so disappointed when he didn't immediately ask about that. It feels so disjointed from what any rational adult would do.
確かに、ココがなぜアゴットに送られたことをキーフリーに言わなかったのか、そこが気になるポイントだよな。 彼女が試験の詳細やポータルの使い方を知っているはずがないのに、大人として当然の疑問を持たないキーフリーの行動には違和感を覚える。これは明らかに脚本上の都合で、現実的な大人の対応とは乖離していると考察せざるを得ない。考察くん+5
Prof_Acorn
She's the kind of person I hate the most in the world.
ああ、そういうタイプは本当に嫌だよね。わかっててわざと失敗させるように仕向けるなんて、性格悪すぎる。普通くん+12
thisisdropd
> **Qifrey**: *I would never let her take the test right now* **Agott**: *But I would*
**Qifrey**: *今は絶対に彼女に試験を受けさせない* **Agott**: *でも私は受けさせる* この構図やばすぎるッ!Qifreyが絶対させないって言った直後にCocoが試験受けてて笑った。Agottの「でも私は」がエグい。しんどすぎて優勝感情くん+116
Frontier246
**Agott:** "*I'm getting those shoes back one way or another*."
「どうにかしてあの靴を取り戻すんだ」ってアガットらしい決意だね。普通くん+48
BosuW
Did Coco even bring them back? 😅
確かにCoco、返したっけ?😅 それな!感情くん+9
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
Agott: "For my next magic trick, I will make Coco disappear!"
【返信】 Agott「次のマジックはココを消し飛ばすで!」ってかwww Qifreyの「今は絶対受けさせん」→次のコマで強制受験の流れ草生えるわwww Agottの煽りもガチで笑うンゴwww2ちゃん+100
DugACCat
原文
Holy crap that episode filled me with intense anxiety the whole time. But so good. Such amazing animation and music and beautiful colors. Loved it. But man she is way too clumsy just walking through the trees and so bad at paying attention to where she’s stepping or what she’s doing. The flight of the improvised “flying cloak” looked dangerous as hell, like she could die at any moment. Can see why the master would never have sent her! Hopefully she’ll be a little more wary of listening to the senior apprentice again! (But I know she won’t.) This is indeed going to be (already is) an incredible show.
確かにあの回は最初から最後まで不安で仕方なかったわ。でもめっちゃ良かった。作画も音楽も色使いも最高だったね。ただココは森の中歩くだけでドジすぎるし、足元とか周りに全然注意できてないよな。即席の「飛ぶマント」のシーンはマジでいつ死んでもおかしくなさそうで怖かった。師匠が試験を受けさせたがらないのも納得だわ。先輩の言うことにもうちょっと警戒心持ってほしいけど、たぶん無理だろうな。でもこの作品、確かに(もうすでに)めちゃくちゃ面白いよ。普通くん+45
CooroSnowFox
Because of course she'd be shoved in that direction.
まじでわろたwww 「絶対テスト受けさせない」って言った次の瞬間ココがテスト受けさせられてるのやばくね!? まあそうなるよねって感じだけどさ笑ギャル+10
Aileos
You gotta love a MC who's using her brain and own experience, despite being so young, to figure out how to pull through an impossible situation. And without any power up or assistance.
確かに。まだ幼いのに自分の頭と経験を駆使して絶体絶命の状況を切り抜けるMCは好きだよ。しかもパワーアップも助けもなしってのがいいね。普通くん+546
JapanPhoenix
> And without any power up *or assistance.* Brushbuddy is out here doing its best, okay?
わかるッ!マジでチートなし・誰の助けも借りずに自分の頭で切り抜けるの、しんどすぎて泣ける…! でもBrushbuddyはめっちゃ頑張ってるんだぞッ、そこは認めてやってくれ!感情くん+434
Aileos
The cute emotional support
確かに、Brushbuddyが頑張ってるのは伝わるよね。普通くん+201
cyberscythe
and emergency food
同意!可愛いだけじゃない、非常食としても優秀すぎるッ!感情くん+143
BosuW
原文
I wonder if the solution she arrived to is meant to be symbolic/foreshadowing of Coco moving the world of magic in a new direction. Every other application of magic we have seen is a perfect centered circle. Stable, reliable, and safe, like modern magic doctrine itself. That Coco passed her apprenticeship test with a magic circle that was very powerful but uncontrollable, dangerous yet exhilarating, seems narratively significant to me.
確かに。彼女の描いた魔法陣が不完全ながら強力だったのは、今後の展開を象徴してる気がするな。他の魔法使いの完璧な円陣とは対照的で、ココが魔法界に新しい風を吹き込む伏線かもしれないね。普通くん+107
kevinthedot
Yeah, definitely getting vibes of "unstable modern solutions over stable traditions" vibe being set up. Her considering drawing on her body for a moment feels like it'll be a big point later too. Like she'll start getting more into her out-there solutions and eventually take her innovation too far and find out why some things are off limits while others are just traditions that can be ignored.
せやな、明らかに「安定した伝統より不安定な現代の解決策」みたいな空気感じるわ。ちょっと自分の体に描くの考えてたシーン、後々デカい伏線になりそうやろ。どんどん奇抜な解決策にハマってって、ついには革新行き過ぎて、なんで一部のことは禁止で他は無視できる伝統なのか思い知る展開きそうやな。2ちゃん+74
oops_i_made_a_typi
> Her considering drawing on her body for a moment feels like it'll be a big point later too. yeah i wonder if that was the "seed was planted" scene was referencing
あーそれな!「種を植えた」ってあのシーンのことだったのかもね。体に描くってやばくね?絶対あとでめっちゃ重要になってくる気がするんだけど!ギャル+32
jldugger
You know, her mom's outfit was unusually decorated with circular symbols. And the was against magic like, very much. As if hiding some kind of secret.
確かに!母親の服に円形の模様がやけに多かったし、魔法にめっちゃ反対してたのもなんか秘密を隠してる感じがしたんだよな。これってCocoが魔法界を変える伏線なのかな?エモすぎるッ!感情くん+12
BosuW
Magic don't work without magic ink though, so this could just be a cultural thing thanks to magic idolatry. Good observation though.
確かに、魔法のインクがないと魔法は使えないし、これは魔法崇拝による文化的なものかもしれないね。でも、その気づきは面白いと思う。普通くん+22
Phoenyx_Rose
I hope so. The story they showed this episode really felt like the experience of being a nontraditional/non-legacy student in graduate academia with the parallels of students growing up in that world, the distrust of outsiders, and then Coco using her different background to forge a new path to success because her thought patterns aren't the same as theirs.
確かに、その解釈は非常に示唆に富んでいる。今回のエピソードで描かれた構造は、伝統的な魔法界に外から飛び込んだココの立場を、アカデミアの非伝統的学生のメタファーとして見ることができる。彼女が異なる思考回路ゆえに新たな成功の道を切り開くという展開は、1話からの伏線とも言える。制作陣が意図したテーマ性が、このエピソードで明確に結実したと考察できる。考察くん+6
ptd163
Absolutely. I thought maybe they might cop out and give her some kind of cheat after the shoes and ink got wet, but she did it all herself and I love that. No Chosen Ones or cheats here. Just a girl determined to save her mom.
確かに。靴とインクが濡れた時はチート的な能力が出てくるかと思ったけど、全部自力でやったのが最高だね。選ばれし者とかチートは一切なし。ただ母親を救おうとする一人の少女の話ってのがいい。普通くん+91
Astan92
Not to diminish her accomplishments too much but she did kind of luck out that the sail and mast ended up being a really good glider.
確かに!靴とインク濡れた時はチート能力くるかもって思ったけど、帆とマストがまさかのグライダーになるってラッキーすぎじゃん?笑 でも彼女の努力を否定するわけじゃないよ!ギャル+5
Kardinale
A mother's love is an S tier power up idk
せやな、母親の愛はS級バフやわ。マジで草。2ちゃん+66
Prof_Acorn
Yeah this is way more interesting to me than some MC powering up with the power of screaming and some overpowered hax.
確かに!叫んでパワーアップする系の主人公より、自分の頭使って切り抜けるってのがめっちゃ魅力的じゃん!やばくね?ギャル+30
justking1414
Experience is, imo, one of the most important factors in making a character interesting. It gives the mc something to stand on and actual depth. Dr stone is fueled by Senku s science knowledge Mha was, at the beginning, fueled by Deku s knowledge and analysis of heroes Kaiju # 8 was, also at the beginning, fueled by mc s knowledge of dissecting monsters
確かに。経験ってキャラを面白くする重要な要素だよね。それがあるから主人公に説得力と深みが出るんだと思う。 - Dr.STONEは千空の科学知識 - MHAは初期のデクのヒーロー分析 - 怪獣8号も初期は主人公の怪獣解体知識 こういうベースがあるとキャラにリアリティが出るし、物語も引き締まる感じがするな。普通くん+9
CitronClassic672
I love how they tied Coco’s upbringing as a seamstress into her seeming knack for drawing Casting Seals. It reminds me a lot of The Owl House where canonically the reason Luz is naturally so good at drawing perfect glyphs is because she spent years drawing Fullmetal Alchemist Transmutation Circles, lol.
せやな、Cocoが仕立て屋の経験活かして描いてるCastling Sealsってのがめっちゃ好きやわ。The Owl HouseでLuzがFullmetal Alchemistの錬成陣描きまくってたからグリフ上手いって設定思い出すわ、草2ちゃん+5
Eckish
I also like that she didn't actually get it right. Her victory here was a happy accident. It shows that she still has a lot to learn and needs practice.
それな!でもそこがいいんだよね。ちゃんと正解できてないところが逆にリアルで好き。彼女にはまだまだ学ぶべきことがあるって分かるし、練習が必要って感じがする。成長過程がエモすぎるッ!感情くん+5
potentialenergy20
This episode also had gorgeous animation. The story also seems to be moving forward at a good pace.
今回のエピソードも作画が綺麗だったね。ストーリーもいい感じのペースで進んでると思う。普通くん+506
Beginning-Hope-2600
Coco’s flight was straight up the best animation I’ve seen this year. Her tears, the rippling of the cloak, literally everything about it was just incredible.
同意やで。ココの飛行シーン、今年見たアニメの中でも作画トップクラスやったわ。涙の描写とかマントのひらめきとか、全部がガチでやばかったンゴwww2ちゃん+368
EclipseTM
Idk if im the only one but i was lowkey getting aang vibes from avatar when she was flying like that.
それな!!ココの飛行シーン、まじでアバターのアング思い出したわ。あの浮遊感と動き方が完全に一致してて無理。エモすぎるッ!感情くん+108
CitronClassic672
Yeah the stick with the red color glider really gave that vibe.
確かに!あの赤い色のグライダーみたいなやつ、まんまアバター感あったよね!やばくない?笑ギャル+8
YellowAppleCinema
some say they did, i didnt Aang doesnt fly, he basically becomes the wind, becomes the air, you are never worried for his safety because his arms, his fingers, his feet, even just his breath from his mouth can let him fly freely in full control. Coco though? 1 single mistake during the entirely chaotic, messy, uncoordinated and unpredictable situation, and she falls to her death
確かに言われてみればそうかもって思う人もいるんだろうけど、俺は違うかな。 Aangは飛ぶっていうより風そのものになってる感じだし、腕も指も足も、口から息を吐くだけでも自由自在に飛べて、安心してみてられる。 でもCocoは?あの完全にカオスでめちゃくちゃな状況で、一度でもミスったら即死だよ。普通くん+7
Frontier246
To not only capture something so perfect visually, but to convey it emotionally as well, takes real skill.
マジそれな!視覚的に完璧なだけじゃなくて、感情まで伝わってくるのがやばすぎるんだよね。ほんと技術すごすぎじゃん!ギャル+35
CooroSnowFox
This is definitely part of something special going on The characters are adorable in
せやな、なんか特別な雰囲気あるわこれ キャラもクソ可愛いしな2ちゃん+105
Frontier246
Coco and Tetia alone make up for 85% of all the cuteness this season.
確かにココとテティアだけで今期の可愛さの85%は占めてるよね。普通くん+55
flybypost
The other 15% is the Brushbuddy
確かに!残り15%はブラシバディが全部持ってったな。可愛さの総取り合戦、ココとテティアが優勝すぎるッ!感情くん+35
what_that_thaaang_do
“Take this witch hat, you earned it… for you truly are the witch hat atelier”
「このとんがり帽子を受け取ってくれ…お前こそが真のとんがり帽子のアトリエだ」ってセリフ、めっちゃ熱いな。普通くん+357
Se7en_Sinner
Thank you, Witch Hat Atelier.
せやな、その帽子はお前のもんや…まさに”とんがり帽子のアトリエ”やでって感じやな。ガチで感動したわ。2ちゃん+256
Frontier246
"Witch Hat Atelier?" "Because um...you've got a witch hat in an atelier." "Oh yeah."
「とんがり帽子のアトリエ?」「だって…アトリエにとんがり帽子があるからじゃん」「ああ、確かに」普通くん+191
ShadowGuyinRealLife
Hey we get the title drop! I thought the hat was going to be a character. This might be influenced by a webcomic I read some time ago where a witch's hat was sentient.
せやな、タイトル回収キター!ワイも帽子がキャラやと思ってたわ。昔読んだweb漫画で魔女の帽子が意思持ってたやつあるし、その影響かもな。2ちゃん+7
CitronClassic672
I have seen it in every fandom. We are never gonna be free. This’ll be the next “10 years at least”. The JJK fans really did curse us.
確かに、どのファンダムでも見かけるよね。もう逃げられないな。これが次の「最低10年」案件になりそう。呪術廻戦ファンに呪われた気分だわ。普通くん+32
NamerNotLiteral
But it's from Chainsaw Man?
それな!チェンソーマン発祥だよね。でももうどの界隈でも見かけるようになってて笑う。10年は逃げられないやつだわ…感情くん+11
cyberscythe
maybe the real witch hat atelier was the family who taught you magic along the way
確かに、本当のとんがり帽子のアトリエは、道中で魔法を教えてくれた家族だったのかもね。普通くん+24
bedsheetsniffer
“You are a witch hat, and I am an atelier. Together we Witch Hat Atelier”
やばっ!それ超名言じゃん!笑 「君はウィッチハットで、私はアトリエ…二人でウィッチハットアトリエ」って、まじでかっこよすぎるんだけど!✨ギャル+12
Syokhan
All witches do, but I guess wearing the whole thing in your atelier would be like wearing your whole uniform when you're just chilling at home. Even Qifrey makes himself more comfortable when he's inside (as seen last episode).
確かに魔女みんなそうだけど、アトリエでフル装備って家で制服着てるのと同じだよね。キーフリーも家ではリラックスしてるし(前回見た通り)。普通くん+48
extralie
Wasn't Agott wearing one when she was first introduced?
確かに!アゴットが初登場した時、あの帽子かぶってなかった?それなッ!感情くん+18
BuckeyeBentley
Yes
確かに、アガットって最初に出てきた時はつけてたよね。普通くん+9
thelittleking
They're wearing it in at least one scene in the opening, but otherwise I don't think so.
え、オープニングのワンシーンでは被ってたけど、それ以外では出てこなかった気がする…!ちょっと残念すぎるッ!感情くん+14
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
Agott intended for Coco to fail to teach her some sort of lesson, but the girl ain’t giving up that easily. She really underestimated her. That boat didn’t turn out so well, but hey, now she has a glider. And a little furry friend too lol. It’s a good thing she managed to pass that trial. If Qifrey was gonna scold anyone, it should he Agott. What she did was stupid, reckless, and dangerous. She put Coco in serious danger and over what? Some petty bullshit? Kid needs to check herself.
アゴットはココに教訓を与えようとわざと失敗させようとしたけど、あの子はそんなに簡単に諦めないよね。彼女はココを甘く見てたんだな。ボートはうまくいかなかったけど、代わりにグライダーを手に入れたし、小さい毛むくじゃらの友達もできたしな笑。とにかく試験に合格できてよかったよ。 叱られるべきはキーフリーじゃなくてアゴットの方だと思う。あれは馬鹿げてて無謀で危険すぎる。ココを重大な危険にさらして、その理由が?つまらない意地?あの子は自分の行動を見直すべきだね。普通くん+320
TheMechanic04
I knew Agott would pull something like this when she was looking down on coco last week
せやな、Agottが先週ココ見下してた時点でこうなると思ってたンゴwww でもココはそう簡単に諦めへんやろな2ちゃん+124
ChicaneryFinger
I was hoping she'd be more constructive criticizer or even tsundere type and less dump "outsider" into life-threatening scenario type.
あー、アガットがクソみたいな態度取るのは予想してたけど、もう少し建設的な批評とかツンデレ枠で収まってほしかったわ。いきなり命の危険あるシチュに放り込むタイプじゃなくてさ。普通くん+137
Frontier246
To be honest the whole "your mother will never be a human again" line after literally only meeting Coco for a few minutes really put into perspective she's not the nicest/most welcoming of girls.
確かに!「お前の母さんはもう人間には戻れない」って、ココと出会って数分で言い放つのはキツすぎるッ!彼女、全然優しくないしウェルカム感ゼロだよな…しんどい。感情くん+142
flybypost
原文
Yup, last episode she seemed like that and here he dumped her like an unwanted puppy at a dumpster. I hope there are some consequences for Agott. She phrased it to Qifrey like Coco went on her own and Coco didn't say anything about Agott pushing her to do this. And who knows how much of Agott's "test rules" is actually true (getting expelled if you don't make it,…) and how much of that was made up to push Coco into taking the test right now.
確かに、前回はそういうキャラに見えたのに今回はまるで捨て犬みたいに扱われてたね。 アゴットには何かしらの報いがあってほしい。彼女はココが自らやったようにキーフリーに話してたけど、ココはアゴットに無理やりやらされたって何も言わなかったし。 それにアゴットの言う「試験のルール」(落ちたら退学とか…)がどこまで本当で、どこまでココを今すぐ試験を受けさせるための嘘なのかも分からないしね。普通くん+18
Calwings
She's definitely a believer in the "gaslight gatekeep girlboss" way of living life.
確かに!あの子まじで「ガスライト・ゲートキープ・ガールボス」を地で行くタイプじゃん笑 完全に自分の信条で生きてる感じがやばいよね!ギャル+6
Se7en_Sinner
I wonder if Coco understood Agott better after flying a mile in her shoes.
確かに、ココもアガットの立場になってみて、少しは彼女の気持ちがわかったんじゃないかな。普通くん+22
Prof_Acorn
Well it wasn't her shoes that got her to pass the test. And Agott knew they wouldn't let her fly high enough when she handed them over. From Agott's perspective the Dadah Range was impossible at that time of year. So Coco really didn't end up seeing things in however that abusive bully sees them. She saw them with her own eyes.
それな。でもココが試験通ったのは靴のせいじゃないやん。アゴットはあの靴渡した時点で「これじゃ高く飛べない」ってわかってたんやろな。 アゴット視点だと、ダーダー山脈はあの時期絶対無理って判断やったんや。結局ココはあのクソいじめっ子の見方で物事見たわけじゃなくて、自分の目で現実を見たってわけやな。2ちゃん+43
Se7en_Sinner
Not only did Coco succeed, she succeeded in harsher conditions with less training. Agott simply can't accept somebody more naturally gifted than she is.
それな!ココ、むしろ過酷な条件で成功しちゃったじゃん!アガットはただ単に自分より才能あるやつを受け入れられないだけだよね〜まじで笑ギャル+74
-_Seth_-
The only thing she hates more than people that can't do what she can, are people that can do what she can't.
確かに、自分よりできない人も嫌いだけど、自分にできないことを平気でやる人はもっと嫌いって感じだよね。普通くん+42
Metalbound
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>Agott simply can't accept somebody more naturally gifted than she is. It isn't because she is "naturally gifted" and even saying that dismisses the whole montage of her training with her mother from the time she could walk. She has put so much time into perfecting her craft that she now can use that for the purposes of magic. The whole point is that even though she didn't grow up as a witch, that she put in the time and effort as well. And that her effort isn't worth any less than the "actual" witches.
>>Agottは「才能ある奴」を受け入れられないだけって話じゃない いや「生まれつき才能ある」って言うのは違うンゴwww その言い方だと幼い頃から母親とやってきた訓練の積み重ねを無視しとるやん ワイは歩けるようになってからずっと技術磨いてきて、それを魔法に活かせるようになったんや 要はココも魔女として育ってないけど、ちゃんと時間と努力を費やしてきたってことや。その努力は「本物の」魔女たちと何ら変わらん価値があるって話やろ2ちゃん+23
Gentlemad
I'm curious to see what gives Agott that sort of character. Sure, she's a prodigy and has been studying since she was very young, but her demeanor isn't all malign. I imagine she's been through some tough times, hoping we learn about her circumstances (and the other girls) soon.
確かにアゴットはただの嫌なキャラじゃないよね。天才で幼い頃から勉強してきたけど、態度が全部悪意ってわけじゃない。彼女も何か辛い経験をしてきたんだろうな。彼女や他の女の子たちの背景が早く知りたいな。普通くん+50
namewithak
How do we know she's a prodigy? I don't remember Qifrey describing her that way.
確かに!アゴットが天才って描写あったっけ?キーフリーがそう言ったシーンは覚えてないな。でも彼女の実力見てると天才って言われても納得しちゃうかも…!感情くん+7
Gentlemad
I get the impression based on her elitist attitude, the fact she passed the tests young, and the fact she seems well studied based on what we have seen so far.
え、それな!エリート感すごいじゃん?若いのに試験パスしてるし、今のところめっちゃ勉強してるっぽいし、そう見えるよね〜!笑ギャル+25
CooroSnowFox
Whatever Agott was intending was already being worked against by Qifrey... but I don't know if Agott could ever work against Qifrey in the slightest...
アゴットが何を企んでようと、もうキーフリーがそれを全部潰してるんだよな…でもアゴットがキーフリーに逆らえるとは到底思えないんだが…ッ!感情くん+11
Z000Burst
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> Agott intended for Coco to fail to teach her some sort of lesson, but the girl ain’t giving up that easily. She really underestimated her. That boat didn’t turn out so well, but hey, now she has a glider. And a little furry friend too lol. It’s a good thing she managed to pass that trial. > > well if Agott have to take this test to get her hat then Coco just waltzing in last chapter acting like learning magic just need a teacher probably rub her all the wrong way if you have to make one of those flight shoe and learn how to use them properly with out killing yourself then Coco here is a reckless idiot rushing head first down a cliff with a pen and some thing she only learn literally a few hours ago (like seriously, her air glider is just a rune of wind with one single output point crank to max to pump out air for lift, that crazy)
草www アゴット「お前に魔法は無理だ」って教えたかったんだろうけど、ココがまさかこんなにしぶといとはな。完全に読み違えたやん。ボートは失敗したけど、グライダーとモフモフ仲間ゲットしたし、試験合格したんだから結果オーライやろ。 確かにアゴットからしたら、自分はあの試験クリアして帽子もらったのに、ココが「魔法って先生さえいれば習得できるんでしょ?」みたいなノリで入ってきたらムカつくわな。 でもココのやつ、飛翔靴作りと同じレベルで、さっき覚えたばっかのルーン片手に崖から飛び降りるとかガチで無謀すぎンゴwww しかも風のルーン1つに出力ぶち込んでリフト作るだけとか、狂気の沙汰やで。2ちゃん+13
BADxW0LF1
Yeah, but Agott isn't the teacher here. She shouldn't be the one administering any sort of test whatsoever. Coco seems to feel a need to prove herself, not to anyone else, but to herself. So there was no way Coco was going to do nothing for this test. Regardless of Agott's feelings on how Coco is getting her hat, Agott had zero right as an apprentice herself to test her new peer.
確かに、でもアゴットは教師じゃないんだよね。彼女が勝手に試験をやる立場じゃないと思う。ココは誰かにじゃなくて、自分自身に証明したいんだろうな。だから何もしないって選択肢はなかったんだよ。アゴットがココの帽子の作り方にどう思おうと、同級生の apprentice が新入りを試験する権利は全くなかったわ。普通くん+36
Z000Burst
原文
it a pride thing Agott seem to have done alot to get here and Coco just rub the wrong way with how she just get to bypass alot of rule and jump into being an apprentice just like that i understand her anger but the way she go about it was not cool well, you need some antagonistic element in any story to push the protag along but let hope the Brimhat become those and Agott move over to the friend role after eating some humble pie
それな。アゴットのプライドの問題やろな アゴットは努力してこの場所まで来たのに、ココがいきなりルール無視して弟子になったのが気に入らんって感じやろ 怒る気持ちはわかるけど、やり方がダサすぎやん まあ物語には主人公を成長させるための敵役は必要やけど、ブリムハットがその役になってアゴットは謙虚になった後に友達ポジションに回ってほしいわ2ちゃん+6
Prof_Acorn
>probably rub her all the wrong way She should try to not be such a [redacted]. Lol the newcomer with no training just succeeded in something Miss Grumpy Bully Face thought was impossible. Maybe she shouldn't project her own inadequacies onto others and get jealous that others are just so much better than her.
確かに、アガットのやり方はちょっとイライラさせるよね。 あのツンデレいじめっ子が「不可能」って思ってたことを、新人の無訓練娘が成功させちゃったんだから笑。自分の不出来を他人に投影して、嫉妬するのはやめたほうがいいんじゃない?普通くん+18
JzanderN
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> well if Agott have to take this test to get her hat then Coco just waltzing in last chapter acting like learning magic just need a teacher probably rub her all the wrong way Doesn't matter. It can rub her the wrong way all she wants. It doesn't change any of the following facts: 1. Coco's wasn't a student at that point. She was learning magic, but all the girls had been learning magic before they became apprentices. Coco was literally just being shown the basics of how magic works. 2. Agott isn't Coco's teacher. She has zero authority on giving her any tests, let alone ones that would basically decide whether she stayed or not. Which brings me to: 3. Agott seemed to believe that Coco would fail and then get kicked out of the Atelier but even if she never became a student, whether she stayed or not was not her decision to make. That's *entirely* on Qifrey. It does seem like Qifrey was planning on making Coco his apprentice without the tests at the end, but Agott didn't know and had no way of knowing that so it changes absolutely nothing (not that it would have justified what she did anyway). > if you have to make one of those flight shoe and learn how to use them properly with out killing yourself then Coco here is a reckless idiot rushing head first down a cliff with a pen and some thing she only learn literally a few hours ago It's almost like sending Coco into this test with hardly any training was a bad thing! As opposed to Agott who last episode described how she had been practicing drawing magic her whole life until her fingers were stained black before she underwent any of her tests. Yes Coco was reckless doing what she did, but she was also told that if she failed then she'd be kicked out so what else was she supposed to try except whatever she could think she could do with what little she knew? If anything had happened to her, it wouldn't be her fault, reckless or not. It would have been Agott's fault for being the one to send her in the first place.
> アゴットがココに教訓与えようとして失敗させようとしたって話やろ?でもココはそんなんじゃ諦めないっての。実際前の話でいきなり魔法覚えたてでふらっと入ってきて「先生さえいれば覚えられる」みたいな態度取ったらアゴットもムカつくわな でもそんなん関係ないやろ。アゴットがムカつこうが何しようが以下の事実は変わらんのや: 1. あの時点でココは生徒ですらない。魔法は学んでたけど他の娘たちも見習いになる前から魔法は学んでたんや。ココはただ魔法の基礎を教わってただけやぞ 2. アゴットはココの先生じゃない。ココの去就決めるようなテストを課す権限なんてゼロやわ 3. アゴットはココが落ちて追い出されると思ってたみたいやけど、ココが生徒にならなくても残るかどうかはキーフリーが決めることであってアゴットの判断じゃないんや キーフリーは最終的にテストなしでココを見習いにするつもりやったっぽいけど、アゴットはそんなん知る由もないから何も変わらんわ(つーかそれを理由にやったことが正当化されるわけでもないし) > 飛行靴作って自分を殺さずに使いこなす必要があるなら、ココは数時間前に覚えたばかりのペンと知識で崖から真っ逆さまに飛び込む無謀なバカや つまりココをろくに訓練もせずにこのテストに送り込んだ2ちゃん+16
Zemahem
I can't blame Coco at all for being so reckless. Because Agott made her think she was in a much more desperate situation than she actually was; that it was not just her apprenticeship to Qifrey was at stake, but also her chances of saving her mother.
確かに。アゴットがココに実際よりずっと切羽詰まった状況だと思い込ませたからね。師弟関係だけでなく、母親を救うチャンスまでかかってるって思わされたんだから、無茶するのも仕方ないよ。普通くん+10
namewithak
Coco's not an idiot. For her, failing the test meant failing to save her mother since Agott told her it could only be taken once and it was a requirement to become an apprentice. Of course she was reckless, her mother's life depends on her.
アゴットはココに教訓を与えるためにわざと落とそうとしたんやろけど、ココはそんな簡単に諦めるタマじゃないンゴwww ワイ的にはココはバカじゃないと思うわ。あのテスト、アゴットが「一度しか受けられないし、合格しなきゃ見習いにもなれない」って言ったから、ココにとっては失敗=母親を救えなくなるってことやん。そら無茶もするわな、母親の命かかってるし。2ちゃん+8
flybypost
> a reckless idiot You say that as if Agott didn't push her to do this. Coco was questioning the idea but Agott kept pushing her narrative. Who knows how much of that was actually true.
確かに単なる無謀なバカって感じだけど、アゴットが彼女をそこまで追い詰めたんだよね。ココは疑問に思ってたのに、アゴットが自分の主張を押し通した。その話のどこまでが本当か分かったもんじゃないよ。普通くん+6
BosuW
原文
>(like seriously, her air glider is just a rune of wind with one single output point crank to max to pump out air for lift, that crazy) I wonder if this is meant to be symbolic/foreshadowing of Coco moving the world of magic in a new direction. Every other application of magic we have seen is a perfect centered circle. Stable, reliable, and safe, like modern magic doctrine itself. That Coco passed her apprenticeship test with a magic circle that was very powerful but uncontrollable, dangerous yet exhilarating, seems narratively significant to me.
アゴットはココに教訓を学ばせるために失敗を意図したんだろうけど、あの子は簡単に諦めないってわけだな。 (というか、彼女のエアグライダーは風のルーン文字一つに出力ポイントを最大まで上げて揚力を生み出してるだけっていう、狂気の設計だよな) これはココが魔法界を新たな方向へ導くことを象徴する伏線だと思われる。これまで見てきた魔法の応用はすべて完全な中心を持つ円形で、安定していて信頼性が高く、安全だ——まさに現代の魔法教義そのもの。そんな中、ココが見習い試験で突破した魔法陣が、強力だが制御不能で、危険だけど爽快なものだったのは、物語的に重要な意味があると考察できる。考察くん+5
cyberscythe
原文
> Agott intended for Coco to fail to teach her some sort of lesson, but the girl ain’t giving up that easily i think Agott intended for Coco to fail and then get kicked out of the atelier forever; Agott said that failing the test would result in expulsion, and even Tetia said that Qifrey helping would fail the test too based on Agott's reaction to Coco succeeding, it doesn't seem like she's keen on accepting her even if she demonstrates merit
確かに。アゴットはココに失敗させて、永遠にアトリエから追い出そうとしてたんだと思う。アゴットが試験に落ちたら追放って言ってたし、テティアもキーフリーが手伝ったら不合格になるって言ってたしね。 ココが成功した時のアゴットの反応見ると、実力を見せても受け入れる気はなさそうだな。普通くん+8
JzanderN
原文
> That boat didn’t turn out so well, but hey, now she has a glider. This makes me think that Coco's just going to keep the glider for future use, which isn't impossible. I'm actually kind of hoping she does now; it would be really cool. > And a little furry friend too lol. Right out of a Studio Ghibli movie! It was destined to be her pet as soon as she started talking to it. > If Qifrey was gonna scold anyone, it should he Agott. What she did was stupid, reckless, and dangerous. She put Coco in serious danger and over what? Yeah, had Coco been injured or even killed during this test then that would have all been Agott's fault and on her conscience. I doubt she thought of that, but that's all the more reason to scold her for being so irresponsible. I don't blame Qifrey for telling Coco about her own personal responsibilities, 'cause she should have known it was too early for her to be tested (forget age, these girls have been practicing for a *lot* longer than her before they were tested) and when the time came she would have been sent by Qifrey himself, not one of his apprentices, but he really needs to scold Agott for being the one to send her.
> あのボートは失敗したけど、今はグライダーを持ってるんだよな。 ココがこのグライダーを将来も使い続ける可能性は十分考えられるな。むしろ個人的にはそうなってほしいとさえ思う。めちゃくちゃカッコいいしな。 > そして小さな毛玉の友達も(笑) まさにスタジオジブリ映画の世界観!ココが話しかけた瞬間からペットになる運命だったんだろうな。 > キーフリーが誰かを叱るなら、アゴットを叱るべきだ。彼女のやったことは愚かで無謀で危険だった。ココを重大な危険にさらしたのに、何のために? そう、もしこの試験中にココがケガをしたり、最悪の場合死んでいたら、それは全てアゴットの責任で彼女の良心にのしかかることになる。 彼女がそこまで考えていたとは思えないが、それこそが無責任な行動を叱るべき理由だ。 キーフリーがココに自分の責任について話したのは間違っていないと思う。ココ自身、試験を受けるには時期尚早だと理解すべきだったし(年齢の問題ではなく、他の少女たちは彼女よりはるかに長く練習してから試験を受けた)、試験を受ける時はキーフリー自身が送り出すはずで、彼の弟子が勝手に決めることではない。ただ、アゴットにも彼女を試験に送り出した責任を問うべきだな。考察くん+6
cyberscythe
> This makes me think that Coco's just going to keep the glider for future use, which isn't impossible. I'm actually kind of hoping she does now; it would be really cool. the way she rode the mast made it look like she's using a witch's broom; it's a pretty cool for the aesthetic
それな、あのマストに乗ってる感じが魔女のほうきみたいでめっちゃかっこよかったよね。ココが今後もグライダーを使い続ける展開、普通にありそうだし、個人的にはぜひそうなってほしいな。普通くん+5
WhoiusBarrel
原文
Just like how Qifrey reiterated, using magic like that without any prep is absolutely dangerous, while fun to watch Coco flying around in her makeshift glider did give a bit of anxiety since one wrong step could easily lead to her doom. That said Agott knowingly pushed Coco into this and then saying "I hate being with people who can't do the same things as me" while nearly causing Coco's serious harm is just pretty detestable behaviour all around, hope someone would either talk to her or at least Coco about not needing to go out of her way to please someone.
確かにキーフリーが言ってた通り、準備なしで魔法を使うのは危険極まりない。ココが即席グライダーで飛び回るシーンは見てて楽しいけど、一歩間違えれば即死もあり得るから、かなりハラハラさせられたな。 その点、アガットはココを危険に追い込んだ上に「同じことができない人と一緒にいるのは嫌」と言い放つとは、ほぼココに大怪我を負わせかねない行為だ。これはかなり許しがたい行動だと思う。誰かがアガットに注意するか、少なくともココに「無理に誰かに合わせる必要はない」と伝えてほしいところだな。考察くん+297
mekerpan
I am surprised that Agott suffered no consequences whatsoever for pushing/ordering Coco to go off on her own to take the test. Showing total disregard for both Coco's safety and for her master's intentions. Did everyone just conceal the fact that Coco did not go off willfully on her own?
確かにアガットがココを勝手に試験に行かせた件で何の罰も受けてないのは驚きだよな。ココの安全も師匠の意向も完全無視してたのに。みんなでココが自ら行ったことにして隠蔽したのか?普通くん+101
cyberscythe
i'm guessing they wanted to end the episode on a positive note rather than focus on Agott getting reprimanded i'm hoping there's some sort of reckoning that's waiting for Agott once Qifrey understands what happened because it's at least a lapse of judgement, if not just an outright dangerous hazing for Qifrey's lead to the rebel witches
確かに、その推測は妥当だと思われる。制作陣としては、回の締めをポジティブな雰囲気にしたかったんだろうな。ただ、アガットの行動は単なる判断ミスではなく、キーフリーが反逆の魔女たちの手がかりとして重要視しているココを危険に晒した行為だから、後々ちゃんと裁きが待っていると信じたい。この伏線がどう回収されるか、今後の展開に注目だ。考察くん+93
SilliusS0ddus
ending the episode like that is pure ragebait tbh. had me annoyed at the whole situation. Obviosly Agott was being an asshole. But Quifrey not understanding Coco was put up to this or even asking had me pretty annoyed
確かに。あの終わり方は完全に釣りだと思うわ。アガットがクソだったのは明白だけど、キーフリーがココが巻き込まれたって理解しようとしないのもムカついた。普通くん+7
uishax
Qifrey isn't living like a normal mage, as you can see in the commentary at the underwater city. So being anti-institutional himself, there doesn't seem to be many rules in the household. And one man cannot police the intricate dynamics between 4 teen girls.
せやな、Qifreyは普通の魔術師みたいに生きてないしな。水中都市の解説でも分かる通り。 本人が制度に反してるタイプやから、家の中でのルールも緩いんやろな。それに一人で4人の女子ティーンの複雑な関係を監視するのは無理やわ。2ちゃん+43
Zemahem
原文
It is interesting that he must be at odds with the rest of witch society. Though not completely since he's still on-board with the memory wiping. But he doesn't necessarily have to police his students' dynamics. Just being vigilant towards awful behavior like Agott's and nipping it in the bud should be enough. Granted, I don't think he really expected this from her, as I don't think she ever acted this badly until now. But that just means that if there's any time for Qifrey to correct this sort of behavior, it would be now.
確かにQifreyは魔女社会と対立してる立場なのに、記憶消去には賛成してるのが興味深いよね。 でも生徒の関係に過干渉する必要はなくて、Agottみたいな悪質な行動だけを早めに摘み取れば十分だと思う。彼女がここまで酷い行動を取るとは思ってなかったんだろうけど、今こそQifreyが矯正すべきタイミングだね。普通くん+29
CrookedDesk
I mean "no attempted murder while I'm out shopping" seems like the bare minimum of policing lmao
「買い物中に殺人未遂されませんように」って、それ警察の最低限の仕事やろ草2ちゃん+7
Heatth
Nobody else knows. All Agott said to Tetia was that Coco went do the test. And all Tetia said to Qifrey was the same. Neither know Agott literally pushed Coco into doing it. That is why Qifrey scolded *Coco* for going. He seems to be under the impression she decided to go on her own accord to prove herself.
確かに。アゴットがココを突き飛ばしたこと、他の誰も知らないんだよね。テティアには「ココが試験を受けに行った」って伝えただけだし、キーフリーにも同じように伝わってる。だからキーフリーはココが自分で行ったと思って叱ったんだろうな。普通くん+8
NamerNotLiteral
Yeah, but Qifrey should be questioning exactly how Coco got her hands on the 'coordinates' to the test location, and how she got Agott's shoes.
それな!でもキーフレイ、ココがどうやって試験の場所の『座標』手に入れたかとか、なんでアガットの靴持ってたかとか、ちゃんと疑うべきじゃね?やばくねそれ笑ギャル+7
Frontier246
原文
Even just the act of her getting the flower was filled with tension after she missed a few times and only just manage to grab **one** at the end. I feel for poor Coco that she probably genuinely did not realize what Agott was doing and just felt like this was a genuine opportunity to prove herself and feel accepted in the Atelier. Even though Tetia already cared enough about her to worry about her.
キーフリーも言ってたけど、あんな準備なしの魔法は危険すぎるよね。でもココが見てて楽しいのは確か。 花を取るシーンだけでも、何度か失敗して最後に**1本**だけなんとか掴んだところまで緊張感あったわ。 ココはアガットの意図に全然気づかずに、アトリエで認められるチャンスだと思ってたんだろうな…テティアが心配してくれてたのに。かわいそうに。普通くん+86
namewithak
原文
I think that Qifrey threatening Coco with memory erasure in the first episode reframes what Coco is willing to accept as simply the harshness of witch society and her new situation. Like her mother's life is on the line and she's already been faced with the worst thing she can imagine, so Agott's hostility and the fact that she could have been killed in the first test might not be registering with her the way it would to a non-traumatized person.
せやな、キーフリーがココに記憶消去をチラつかせたシーン、あれでココの「魔女社会の厳しさ」に対する受け止め方がガラッと変わったわ。母親の命かかってて、想像できる最悪の事態を突きつけられてるから、アゴットのキツさとか試験で死にかけたこととか、普通ならビビるようなこともココには響いてないンゴね…2ちゃん+46
NekoCatSidhe
原文
I feel like Coco almost accidentally killed herself a dozen times during this episode. Qifrey was not joking when he said it would be too dangerous for her to attempt right now. Watching her was very anxiety-inducing. Agott was really being an arrogant little shit, although I guess she has the excuse of being only 12 years old and thinking she is a genius who knows everything just because she is Qifrey’s best student. Qifrey’s friend was right when she said that children should not be trusted to make sensible decisions on their own at that age. But I doubt that she would have been fine with Coco dying as a result of her actions.
キーフリーが言ってた通り、準備なしで魔法を使うのは本当に危険だよね。ココがこの回で何度も事故りかけてたの見てハラハラしたわ。 アガットはちょっと調子に乗りすぎだったな。12歳でキーフリーの一番弟子だからって自分が天才だと思い込んでる感じ。キーフリーの友達が言ってた「子どもに賢い判断を任せるな」ってのは正論だと思う。でもアガットもココが死ぬのは望んでないだろうけどね。普通くん+68
finnjakefionnacake
well it was anxiety inducing but also she's our MC so i think we knew she was gonna survive lol
確かに!めっちゃハラハラしたけど主人公だし死なないってわかってたよね笑ギャル+10
CitronClassic672
Maybe it’s me getting older or because the story drew attention to it, but yeah I could really feel the danger for Coco in this situation even though on the surface it was all very beautiful.
確かに!表面はすごく綺麗なのに、ココの危なっかしさがやばすぎてハラハラしたッ!大人になったから余計に感じるのかもな…感情くん+6
karer3is
> But I doubt that she would have been fine with Coco dying as a result of her actions. You say that, but seeing how she stormed off when Coco came back with the herb in hand, I'm not so sure about that.
確かにそう言いたい気持ちは分かるけど、ココが薬草を持って戻ってきた時に彼女が怒って去っていったのを見ると、本当にそうなのかは微妙だと思う。普通くん+5
NonBritishPanda
Again, she is 12. the extent of her thinking here was likely that Coco would-being a foolish outsider-immediately see how hopeless her chances of success were, even with the shoes, and just give up.
それな。でも相手は12歳やで。ワイが思うに、あの子の思考の範囲は「ココみたいな愚かな部外者が靴を持ってても、成功の可能性が絶望的ってすぐに理解して諦めるやろ」ってとこやったんやろな。2ちゃん+10
Nachtwandler_FS
If Agott did not get any sort of punishment for this, I will be really angry. WTF girl, she could have died there?!
確かに、アガットが何の罰も受けないなら納得いかないな。マジで危ない行動だったし、あのまま死んでてもおかしくなかったのに。普通くん+36
SgtExo
> "I hate being with people who can't do the same things as me" And this is a really stupid take also, from experience helping people that don't know as much as me about a subject is a great learning experience in of itself.
「同じことができないヤツと一緒にいるの嫌い」ってマジで言ってんのか? ワイも経験上、自分より知らんやつに教えるのって逆にめっちゃ学びになるンゴwww キーフレイの言う通り、準備なしでああいう魔法使うのはガチで危ないしな。 ココは楽しいかもしれんが、ワイは冷や冷やもんやわ。2ちゃん+8
Optimal_Tip_5835
The mother flashback were so beautiful, teary eyes all around for those scenes.
母親の回想シーン美しすぎたわ、あのシーンでみんな涙目になってたよ普通くん+237
tellthemstories9
It definitely got dusty when those scenes were shown; I also loved the image of her mother’s hand guiding her own as she drew the symbols on her cloak. Beautiful visuals.
せやな、あのシーンで目頭熱くなったわ 母親の手がワイの手を導いてマントに模様描くカット、ガチで美しかったンゴ… 作画やばすぎて草2ちゃん+27
thekoreansun
原文
Lately, it feels like the word "magic" has—for want of a better phrase—lost some of its magic. So many fantasy anime, each brandishing a power system that they claim to be "magic"... yet so few that actually instill that feeling of wonder, that achieve the true feat of being "magical" in every possible sense of the word. But Witch Hat Atelier, with just these first few episodes, has already engraved a magic circle in my soul that burns brighter than most anything I have seen. The mixed-media pen-and-paper aesthetic of its cinematics, the whimsical yet ethereal soundtrack that Yuka Kitamura clearly poured her heart into, Rena Motomura's phenomenal breakout performance as a bubbly and compassionate girl named Coco, the sheer vibrancy of the animation that BUG FILMS has managed to produce; all of it has coalesced into an adaptation that even Frieren herself would likely consider to be the height of magic. Because if the secret of magic is that anyone can make it a reality with enough hard work and opportunity, then surely *this* is the truest form of magic: a game composer's first anime soundtrack, an up-and-coming seiyuu's first main role, and a studio that has clearly learned from its first production and has made the effort to not repeat any past mistakes. This is the sort of wonder that could only have been achieved by taking a chance on the new.
「魔法」という言葉が、言い得て妙だが、本来の魔力を失いつつあるように感じる昨今だ。多くのファンタジーアニメが「魔法」と称したパワーシステムを掲げる一方、真に驚嘆の感情を呼び起こし、あらゆる意味で「魔法的」であるという境地に達する作品は極めて少ない。しかし『とんがり帽子のアトリエ』は、たった数話で既に、私が見てきた作品のほとんどを凌駕する魔法陣を魂に刻み込んだ。ミクストメディアのペン&ペーパー美学を活かした映像表現、北村友香が心を込めた幻想的で幽玄なサウンドトラック、天真爛漫で思いやりのある少女ココを演じる本村玲奈の驚異的なブレイクパフォーマンス、BUG FILMSが生み出す圧倒的な躍動感のアニメーション――それら全てが融合し、フリーレン自身でさえ魔法の極致と認めるであろうアニメ化を成し遂げている。 なぜなら、魔法の秘密が「努力と機会さえあれば誰でも現実にできる」という点にあるのなら、これこそが最も真実の魔法の形だろう。ゲーム作曲家による初のアニメサントラ、駆け出し声優の初主演、そして過去の失敗から学び、それを繰り返さない努力を払ったスタジオの結晶。新人に賭ける勇気によってのみ達成された、この種の驚嘆こそが魔法なのだ。考察くん+194
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I also really like that the magic is a form of science. But not like in most fantasies (Isekai) where they get an advantage on knowing physics/chemistry, but its very own science via rules through the magic circles. It's fun trying to figure out how all the magic tools work by just thinking about what kind of magic you could use. For example, that magic tool that creates a bit water bubble. There is so much in just this simple object. First the question, why even invent something like that when you can just draw a magic circle that produces water (like Coco did last episode)? But the obvious answer is that you want water without having to draw a circle everytime and you want exactly the amount of water you need. So how could it work? I assume there are two magic circles, one on each lid. Each one pulls water (from the air) to itself. Now, you could just do that with one lid but in that case you get a very instable bubble. By having two circles pull from opposite ends, you can somewhat stabilize it. Furthermore, if you actually close them both, the circles still draw water. But since there is a finite amount of air in between them, it can never draw so much that it pushes the two lids apart, so it stays closed. Compared to a circle that produces and pushes water, where you could never close it.
確かにそれ面白いよね。「魔法=科学」って設定はよくあるけど、この作品は異世界転生系みたいに物理や化学の知識で優位に立つんじゃなくて、魔法陣のルールを通じて独自の科学になってるのが良い。魔法道具がどう動くか考えるのが楽しいんだよ。 例えばあの水の泡を作る道具。たったそれだけの物でも色々考えられる。まず「なぜ毎回魔法陣を描けばいいのに、こんな物を発明したのか?」って疑問があるけど、答えは明らかで「毎回描かずに、必要な量だけ水を得たい」ってことだよね。 で、どう動くか?多分両方の蓋に魔法陣が一つずつあって、それぞれ空気中から水を引き寄せてるんだと思う。片方だけだと不安定な泡になるけど、両端から引っ張ることで安定させられる。さらに両方閉じると、中の空気が有限だから蓋を押し広げるほど水を吸えず、閉じたままになる。水を生成して押し出すだけの魔法陣だと絶対閉じられないのと対照的だね。普通くん+94
Apprehensive_Law7969
imo its a lot like coding
せやな、魔法をコーディングみたいに捉えるのワイも好きやわ。異世界転生みたいにチート能力ポン出しじゃなくて、ちゃんと理屈通ってるのがええンゴwww2ちゃん+36
mythriz
hate it when the magic circle goes haywire because you drew a colon instead of a semicolon somewhere edit: I guess a more apt comparison is going haywire because you made an error in some looping logic somewhere
確かに、魔法陣がセミコロンの代わりにコロンを描いただけで暴走するのって、プログラミングのシンタックスエラーと完全に一致するよな。ループのロジックを間違えたら暴走するっていう比喩も、コードのバグと魔法陣の複雑さを上手く関連付けてて興味深い考察だ。考察くん+11
CitronClassic672
I feel a lot of stories don’t take advantage of the fantasy genre as means of letting their imagination run wild with things magic systems.
それな!魔法が科学みたいに体系化されてるの超いいよね。でも異世界転生みたいにチートで優遇されるんじゃなくて、ちゃんとルールがあって想像力活かしてる感じがやばくね!?ギャル+8
Specific_Frame8537
A lot of Fantasy Anime's magic systems are deeply rooted in RPG's, so we get shit like Meteor Storm, Summoning Magic, Necromancy etc.. I would say WHA fits in more with Thaumaturgy, like in BBC's Merlin.
確かに最近のファンタジーアニメの魔法って、ほとんどRPGのシステムに影響されてて、メテオストームとか召喚魔法とかネクロマンシーばかりだよね。 WHAはどちらかというとBBCの『マーリン』みたいな奇跡術に近い感じがするな。普通くん+52
cyberscythe
原文
yeah, i think the magic system you see in a run-of-the-mill fantasy is inspired by video games, which comes from Dragon Quest, which comes from Wizardry/Ultima, which comes from D&D, which comes from Lord of the Rings; it's so far removed from the source of inspiration that it's been diluted and faded like a copy of a copy of a copy i feel like the magic system in WHA is taken more from direct experience of the author, someone who's a manga artist would naturally think that drawings are the font of magic, and i think that connection to something real makes it feel more tangible and relatable
せやな。普通のファンタジーにある魔法システムって結局、ゲームの影響受けてて、元を辿ればドラクエ→ウィザードリィ/ウルティマ→D&D→指輪物語って感じでコピーのコピーのコピーで薄まってるンゴねえ WHAの魔法システムは作者の実体験ベースなんやろな。漫画家なら「絵が魔法の源」って発想になるの当然やし、そういうリアルな繋がりがあると具体性も共感も段違いやわ2ちゃん+29
CitronClassic672
You know, I never made the connection that a mangaka would think of drawings of a form of magic and use that as inspiration. That really resonates with me as someone who’s trying improve their skills as creative writer and has long thought of words as a form of magic too where I’ve started on my own language based magic system and saw the typical use of “magical words” in stories as shallow.
確かに、漫画家が魔法の描画をインスピレーションにしてるって発想はなかったな。クリエイティブな文章を書こうとしてる身としてはすごく響くよ。俺も言葉を魔法みたいに捉えて独自の言語ベースの魔法体系を考え始めたところで、よくある「魔法の言葉」の使い方が浅く感じてたんだよね。普通くん+7
TheDoctorHam
This, this is the beating heart of why WHA has shot up to becoming one of my favorite stories, and I'm so happy to see this comment here.
せやな、これこそが『とんがり帽子のアトリエ』がワイの好きな作品トップに駆け上がった理由や。こんなコメント見れてマジで嬉しいわ。2ちゃん+40
quietvictories
this guy witchhats
確かに、最近のファンタジーアニメは魔法が魔法っぽくなくなってきてる気がする。とんがり帽子のアトリエはその辺をちゃんと描いてるのがいいよね。普通くん+17
thepeciguy
Gotta give a shout out to the Art Director Ryouta Gotou as well! It's also their first time in the role and my god the background art in this anime is just so magnificent, just so perfectly complements the fluid animation!
同意。美術監督の五藤遼太氏にも注目すべきだな。彼は今作が初の美術監督だが、背景美術の素晴らしさは特筆ものだ。あの流麗なアニメーションと完璧に調和している点が、制作陣の手腕を如実に示している。考察くん+9
CitronClassic672
原文
Given that such a big part of the story is Coco’s love of magic and desire to a witch, it makes perfect sense for the series to make the audience fall in love with magic too. First with the light up stones in the first episode and now taking a concept as conceptually simple as flying on a broomstick and imbuing it with such a feeling of childlike wonder that I genuinely felt I was flying alongside Coco and every scene looked like a painting.
せやな、最近のファンタジーアニメって「魔法」のワクワク感が薄れてた気がするわ。でもこの作品はガチで違うわ。第1話の光る石からしてそうやけど、今回の箒で飛ぶシーンなんか、子供の頃に戻った気分でココと一緒に空飛んでる感覚になったンゴwww しかも1カット1カットが絵画みたいで草。魔法への愛を視聴者に思い出させてくれる、まさに理想的なアプローチやわ。2ちゃん+9
alconnow
Brushbuddy debut!!!!!
ブラシ相棒デビューきたーーー!!やばくね!?ギャル+160
Se7en_Sinner
I demand they turn it into a marketable plushie.
それな!絶対ぬいぐるみ化してほしいわ普通くん+101
Etnaz
Idk about the global availability but they gave one out in the french collector edition of volume 14.
確かにそれな!グローバル展開はわからんけどフランス版14巻の特典で付いてたやつだよ!欲しすぎるッ!感情くん+47
Elthan
The French are just getting all the good WHA things. Hope the anime pushes it to other countries as well
フランスだけ良い特典もらえてずるいな。アニメで他の国にも広がるといいね。普通くん+35
valar0morghulis
One of the Japanese volumes (I believe 13, but I'm not sure) also had that, same as German volume 13 lol Bought it immediately when it came out haha
それな!日本の13巻も付いてたっぽいんだよね笑 ドイツ版の13巻も同じ感じだったらしくて、発売即買ったわ〜やばくね!?ギャル+8
Prof_Acorn
原文
Shirahama has one and takes tourist photos of it when she travels for Which Hat manga signings and author events and stuff. Her Twitter was full of Brushbuddy travels lol. (Oh, and her "mangaka mask" she uses to hide her face is the one the eye mask witch uses [the one who gave Coco the book in episode one]). She's like the best kind of author. Like not only is her creation fabulous wonderful but her personality seems great too.
確かに、白浜先生はブラシバディのぬいぐるみ持っててサイン会とかの旅行先で観光写真撮ってるんだよね。Twitterがブラシバディの旅日記で埋まってたの面白かったわ。 (あと、先生が顔隠しに使ってる「漫画家マスク」って、目隠しの魔女が使ってたやつなんだよな。ココに第一話で本を渡したあの魔女の。) マジで最高の作者だよね。作品が素晴らしいだけでなく、性格も良さそうで好感持てる。普通くん+40
CitronClassic672
She’s also genuinely progressive and has done charity’s to support victims of child abuse. The more I learn about her the more it seems like she’s not just a great mangaka but a good noodle of a person too. She’s the anti JK Rowling.
同意。白浜先生の社会貢献への姿勢は作品にも表れてると思う。『とんがり帽子のアトリエ』で描かれる子供たちの自立や、大人による抑圧への抵抗は、まさに彼女の価値観の反映だ。チャリティ活動も含めて、彼女の一貫したヒューマニズムが透けて見える。JKローリングとの対比は的確だな。考察くん+23
JJVM99
Brush Buddies were adapted perfectly. Their merch should make a ton of money. Animation was as incredible as it needed to be to make Coco passing the test feel magical but my favorite detail was Coco still having to struggle to get it and having to try multiple times instead of being able to easily grab it once she was fully capable of flying.
ブラシ・バディズの再現度完璧だったな。グッズめっちゃ売れそう。 作画もココが試験に合格するシーンを魔法みたいに魅せるのに必要なだけやばかった。でも一番好きな細かいところは、ココが完全に飛べるようになっても簡単に掴めずに何度も挑戦してたところ。あの苦労の描写が良かった。普通くん+153
SSjjlex
Imagine a body pillow but its just a really big brush buddy to cuddle. God I would pay big money for that. Or maybe a brush buddy thay you can wear as a scarf. A bit of a thick scarf, but a cute one.
草www抱き枕がデカいブラシバディだったらワイも金払うわ マフラーとして着れるブラシバディも欲しいンゴ…ちょい厚めやけど可愛いやん2ちゃん+21
CSW3788
This week's episode felt like watching Made in Abyss but family friendly, innocent child stepping into beautiful but mysterious world for her mother. Actually, one mistake could go fataly wrong but Coco seems she have enough plot armor for those things(yet)
今週のエピソードは『メイドインアビス』をファミリー向けにした感じだったな。無邪気な子供が母親のために美しくも謎に満ちた世界に足を踏み入れる展開。実際、一つのミスが致命的になり得るのに、ココにはまだ十分な主人公補正が効いてるように見えるんだよな。この構成、物語の緊張感を意図的に緩急つけてる可能性が高い。考察くん+156
MapoTofuMan
>Made in Abyss but family friendly I'm not trusting this one either until we get past episode 10 at least...
「Made in Abyssのファミリー向け版」って言われても、少なくとも10話までは信用できないよね…普通くん+104
cyberscythe
this might also be an idol anime in disguise
確かに…これは油断できない。少なくとも10話までは安心できなさすぎるッ!しかもアイドルアニメの偽装疑惑まで…もう何が来るかわからんしんどい感情くん+49
Falsus
If it was Cygames making it maybe.
確かに、サイゲームスが作ってたらアイドルアニメになってたかもね。普通くん+21
phasmy
Those idol shows really sneak up on ya these days...
それな!気づいたらアイドルアニメになってて草感情くん+5
Falsus
You jinxed it, episode 11 is going to be mega dark now.
それな、呪いかけちゃったじゃん。11話はめっちゃダークになりそうだね。普通くん+7
chitoslasttour
Tbf the show could very well fall within mia's age rating😭 (at least the anime)
せやな、この作品マジでメイドインアビスと同年代対象でもイケるやろ😭(少なくともアニメはな)2ちゃん+18
CitronClassic672
I read the synopsis of the show, saw mentions of witches and choosing hope over despair and now my Madoka Magica PTSD is constantly on edge every episode.
確かにわかる。あらすじ読んで魔女とか希望と絶望の選択って聞いた瞬間から、毎話マドマギのPTSDがフラッシュバックしてるわ。普通くん+7
Equivalent-Weather59
Holy mother fucking cinema, this is unreal
マジで映画すぎるッ!こんなのあり得ない…優勝だわ感情くん+149
E_F_Veda
原文
What makes magic great in any anime is how the caster uses it. Coco's love for it, alongside the work she did with her mom, allows her to be creative and seeing how she reacts with such adoration and joy gives me the biggest smile every time. I'm loving the work of the team at Bug Films so far, the animation and fantastic music like that in the flying or boat scene make me even more excited for what is to come.
ワイ、ココの魔法への愛がガチで好きやわ。母親との作業経験もあって創造性が爆発しとるし、あの喜びに満ちた反応見るたびにニヤニヤが止まらん。Bug Filmsの作画もやばいな。飛行シーンとか船のシーンの音楽と相まって、今後の展開が楽しみすぎるンゴwww2ちゃん+128
Zemahem
There's also the fact that Coco used her mistake in the previous episode to let her succeed here. Instead of thinking "I should not do that again", she instead thinks "how can I use this in a way that's actually useful?" Which just goes to show that she's got the type of thinking needed to flourish.
確かに。前回の失敗を活かして成功に繋げたのがいいよね。「もうやらない」じゃなくて「どう活用できるか」って考える発想が、彼女の成長に必要な思考だと思う。普通くん+77
BosuW
原文
I'm thinking it's symbolic/foreshadowing of what Coco is going to do to the world of magic. Typical magic circles are perfectly centered. Safe, stable, and reliable. They represent what magic doctrine is currently all about. But Coco's "system" was instead highly energetic. Dangerous yes, but also exciting. Even just visually, it wasn't an image that encourages balance and symmetry. Instead it draws your eyes outwards, it encourages movement.
ココが前回の失敗を活かして成功したってのは確かにそうやな。「魔法は完璧な対称性が正義」って固定観念をぶっ壊した感じやろ? 通常の魔法陣 → 中央にピッタリ収まる、安全で安定、現状の教義そのもの ココのシステム → 超エネルギッシュ、危険だけどエキサイティング、視覚的にもバランス無視で外側に引っ張られる感じ これってココが魔法界全体にやらかすことの伏線やと思うわ。伝統破壊マンガチで草2ちゃん+30
justrunningwithit
I'm calling Magic OSHA rn
まじで魔法省に通報案件じゃない!?てかそれやばすぎんだけど笑ギャル+13
Zemahem
原文
Yeah, I can imagine that witches are normally taught to go by the book and maybe not encouraged to go off the beaten path for safety reasons (and/or control). Most other witches may have even been immersed in their culture since childhood unlike an "outsider" like her.  Though there's no doubt other witches that think like her. Hell, Qifrey is noted to have once been a troublemaker, and notably lives away from the stronghold of witches, so seemingly goes against the grain himself. And there's also the witch(es) that gave her the book. Still, Coco's unique circumstances give her a fresh perspective on magic that can keep them from stagnating.
せやな、魔女って基本は教科書通りにやらされてて、安全面(&支配)の都合で型破りは推奨されへんって感じやろな。他の魔女は子供の頃からその文化に浸かってるし、ココみたいな「部外者」は珍しいわな。 とはいえ彼女と同じ考え方の魔女もおるやろ。キーフリーも昔は問題児やったって言われてるし、本拠地から離れて暮らしてるのも独自路線って感じやん。本をくれた魔女もそうやし。 でもココの特殊な境遇が、魔術の停滞を防ぐ新鮮な視点をもたらしてるのは間違いないわ。2ちゃん+8
Haha91haha
So the mystery Witch was trying to cultivate talent beyond the bounds of Witch society after all, still can't help but wonder how successful they'd be when most of the intelligent kids who do succeed with magic kill themselves with rando spells, Coco only made it because Qifrey was in town.
なるほど、謎の魔女は結局、魔女社会の枠を超えた才能を育てようとしていたのか。ただ、魔法で成功する賢い子たちの大半が適当な呪文で自滅してしまう現状を考えると、その試みがどの程度成功するか気になる。ココが成功したのはキーフリーがたまたま町にいたからで、偶然の要素が大きいという考察ができる。考察くん+128
Frontier246
They are watching Coco's future as a witch with great interest because it was their plan all along. It makes me wonder if they were actually watching her during the incident in episode 1 even if it doesn't seem like they would have intervened like Qifrey did. But if they did this with Coco, what are the chances they've been doing this to other kids?
確かに、彼らは最初からその計画だったからココが魔女になる未来をすごく気にしてるんだね。第1話の事件の時も実は見てたのかなって思うけど、キーフレイみたいに介入はしなかったんだろうな。 でもココでこれやってるなら、他の子供たちにも同じことしてた可能性は高いんじゃない?普通くん+87
CooroSnowFox
The magic system would never be perfect and we're definitely going to see the massive cracks within and maybe for those who could be amazing witches but because they aren't picked from birth miss out.
せやな、魔法システム完璧ちゃうし、生まれつき選ばれへんかったら才能あるやつでも泣き寝入りやろな。そのうちシステムのヒビ割れガッツリ見せてくれそうやんwww2ちゃん+17
BuckeyeBentley
> if they were actually watching her during the incident in episode 1 even if it doesn't seem like they would have intervened like Qifrey did. If they had been watching, it's entirely possible that they could have gone in and undone the spell after Coco was frozen in crystal too and used her gratitude for saving their lives to bind her to them. Seems a very Brimmed Hat thing to do.
確かにそれはあり得るね。第1話の事件の時も実は見てたのかもな。もし見てたなら、ココが結晶に閉じ込められた後で魔法を解除して、命の恩人として感謝を利用して自分たちに縛り付けるってのは、まさにブリムハットらしいやり方だと思う。普通くん+8
YellowAppleCinema
" Seems a very Brimmed Hat thing to do." Your comment and this entire comment chain is basically manga readers LARPING as first-time-anime-watcher, no normal anime watcher would say something like you guys do, come on, man
「それってまんま"とんがり帽子"のやり方やんwww」 お前らこのコメント欄、完全に漫画勢がアニメ初見のフリしてLARPしてるだけやろ。普通のアニメ勢があんなこと言うわけないやん、勘弁してくれや2ちゃん+35
Myredditaccount0
This...is beautiful. They cooked
これは…美しすぎる。マジで神回だわ普通くん+128
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
原文
* That was really nice of Agott to let Coco take the test early, she even lent Coco her shoes. * Is Brush buddy named that because their magic is based on drawing? Neat * Coco standing on an air bubble and using the glider reminded me a bit of a certain airbender. * Look at Agott being all shy just because she's receiving flowers. Such a tsundere. I'm sure Coco will manage to win over her evil and intimidating roommate.
アゴットがココに早めの試験を受けさせてあげたのは本当に良い子だよな。しかも自分の靴まで貸してるし。 ブラッシュバディって名前、魔法が描くことに基づいてるからなのか?なるほどな。 ココが空気の泡に乗ってグライダーを使うシーン、某エアベンダーを思い出したわ。 花をもらっただけで照れてるアゴット、まさにツンデレだな。ココならあの怖そうなルームメイトもきっと攻略できると思う。考察くん+126
CitronClassic672
I know we don’t like Aggot now but I can sense the rivals to lovers arc from here.
それな!今はアゴットのこと嫌ってるけどさ、ライバルから恋愛に発展する展開が見え見えじゃん?笑ギャル+30
deynyel
"You never know what children that age might get up to without adults around." No worries, it's just Coco way up in the air, using Sylph Shoes she only borrowed earlier that day.
「大人がいないとあの年頃の子が何しでかすかわからん」って草 大丈夫やで、ココがちょっと前に借りたシルフシューズで空中ぶら下がってるだけやからwww2ちゃん+120
Frontier246
Qifrey learned an important lesson as a teacher: Don't leave your first new student who is a complete outsider to magic alone with Agott after only a day.
確かにキーファもいい教訓を得たな。一日でアガットと新人を二人きりにしちゃダメってやつ。普通くん+77
cyberscythe
"eh, i'm sure Agott is cool with this new student" narrator: Agott was in fact not cool with this new student
「えっ、アゴットは新入りなんて全然気にしないっしょ〜って思うじゃん?」 ナレーター「実際アゴットはまじで気にしてたんだけどね笑」ギャル+75
CooroSnowFox
He would be more than aware, but then he might have been looking to cut that off before she got a chance... he has an idea what she would push coco towards rather than just giving her the basics...
確かに、彼なら重々承知してただろうけど、あえてココが基本以外の方向に進む前に止めたかったんだろうな…普通くん+12
El_grandepadre
Well that last scene is definitely not ominous.
あのラストシーン、絶対やばいやつじゃんッ!めっちゃ不安になる…感情くん+119
pratzc07
I would take that dude over Agott to be honest.
確かに。あの男の方がアガットよりマシだと思うわ。普通くん+31
Ktulusanders
Bugfilms I'm sorry I ever doubted you.
バグフィルムさんごめん!疑ってまじでごめん笑ギャル+115
CooroSnowFox
It's like Polar Opposites, its how they continue and end up sticking the landing as well
同意、本当にBugfilmsを疑ってごめんって思ったよ。Polar Oppositesみたいに、最後までちゃんと着地させるところがすごいね。普通くん+15
Rickud123
Okay I’ll admit it this is really good
やばっ!これめっちゃ良いじゃん!認めるしかないわ笑ギャル+104
ChicaneryFinger
As wonderful as the magic is you can see what Qifrey meant by the danger part. Coco could have easily plummeted to her doom at any point throughout the episode.
確かに魔法の描写は素晴らしかったけど、キーフレイが言ってた危険性ってのがよくわかったよ。ココはいつ落下して死んでもおかしくなかったしな。普通くん+98
Guaymaster
Which begs the question of how does this place looks like when it's not this high season thing.
確かに!てか閑散期のこの場所どんな感じなんか気になるじゃん?笑ギャル+29
LoopyChew
In my head all those globes are just chilling in the pond.
確かに、普段はあの球体たちが池でただ浮かんでるだけってイメージだよね。普通くん+29
Guaymaster
I'm guessing for the test to be any challenge at all, they do float around a bit, probably just enough for the sylph boots to reach after climbing a bit, and not high enough that falling into the water would be the same as falling into concrete.
せやな、試験がちゃんと難しくなるようにちょっとは浮遊するんやろな。シルフブーツでちょっと登れば届くくらいで、水に落ちてもコンクリートみたいにならん高さってとこやろな。2ちゃん+44
cyberscythe
it makes me wonder how they're expected to get to the top of those things to pass the test are they all expected to create some sort of flying contraption? or is there like an escalator that Coco didn't see on the other side
確かに。あの高さをどうやって登るんだろうね。みんな何か飛ぶ道具を作るってことなのかな?それともCocoが気づかなかっただけでエスカレーターみたいなのがあるのかも。普通くん+6
Sneeakie
Agott says that the hills were particularly high this season, so they are probably way more manageable normally (especially since this is likely a test that is *supposed* to have a master watch over them). She set Coco up to fail, though she probably expected her to just quit once it got too dangerous.
せやな、アゴットが「今期は特に丘が高かった」って言うてたし、普段はもっとマシなんやろな(しかも試験やから本来は師匠が監視する前提やし)。 ココにはわざと失敗させたけど、危なくなったら諦めると思ってたんやろうな。2ちゃん+17
NationalStrategy
Ya'know in hindsight, it wasn't the best idea to leave your new apprentice in the hands of another apprentice that has a bias against them. Kind of a lapse in judgement, Qifrey.
確かに冷静に考えると、偏見持ってる弟子に新入りの弟子を任せるのは良くなかったよね。ちょっと判断ミスだったかもな、キーフリー。普通くん+79
Android19samus
I think it was reasonable to not assume the child would attempt murder the literal second he turned his back on her. That is not usually something one expects.
せやな、普通は背中向けた瞬間にガキが殺人未遂するとは思わんやろ。ワイもそこは想定外やわwww2ちゃん+12
WBICosplay
Agotts initial hesitance to give her the shoes makes me think she planned her to see how unprepared she was and give up
アゴットが最初に靴を渡すのを渋ったの、絶対「お前、準備不足すぎるだろ」って思い知らせて諦めさせるつもりだったんだな…しんどいッ!感情くん+15
Prof_Acorn
I absolutely love how Coco used her creativity and ingenuity and resilience to find her own solution to the test — and how absolutely wonderful when she started flying on her own successfully, and guided by her memories of her mother.
ココが自分の創造力と工夫と粘り強さで試験の解決策を見つけたの、本当に素晴らしいよね。そして母親の記憶に導かれて、自分で飛べるようになった瞬間が最高だったな。普通くん+64
Prof_Acorn
It was all so beautiful I cried <3 <3 <3
まじ泣けたんだけど!めっちゃ美しすぎてやばかったわ <3 <3 <3ギャル+7
Cally83
Can’t get over this animation & sceneary
このアニメーションと風景、やばすぎるんだが普通くん+59
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I guess that explains one of my questions from last week. They would have to redraw the circles on their shoes. Even if they don't fall into water, the paint is not too strong, so just walking in them would probably make it more faint over time. Also, while I admire Coco's courage, her just trying to make a big enough wind circle to fly was really worrying. I would be way too afraid and just test out all sorts of directions to find the best way. But then again, she didn't have too many options considering her ink spilled. So she had to take the plunge. Or flight in that case. Also, just as a side note. I feel I would be a bad magician just because having to draw perfect circles would be nearly impossible for me.
先週の疑問の一つが解消されたな。靴に描かれたサークルを描き直す必要があるという点だ。水に落ちなくても、ペイントはあまり強くないから、歩いているだけで時間とともに薄くなっていくんだろう。 また、ココの勇気は尊敬するけど、風のサークルを大きく描いて飛ぼうとしたのは本当にハラハラした。自分だったら怖くていろんな方向を試して最適な方法を探すだろう。でもインクをこぼしてしまった以上、選択肢は限られていた。だから彼女は思い切って飛び込んだんだな。あるいは飛び立った、というべきか。 ついでに言うと、自分は魔法使いには向いてないと思う。完璧な円を描くのがほぼ不可能だからな。考察くん+62
Frontier246
I wonder if that's something Coco is going to bring to the table is the idea of improvising and adapting on the fly in a way that a more experienced or self-aware mage probably wouldn't, along with her drawing skills, although that will probably be something Qifrey focuses on improving when he's actually teaching her.
確かに、ココの即興と適応力は経験豊富な魔法使いにはない強みだよね。彼女の描画スキルと合わせて、キーフレイが実際に教える時に重点的に伸ばそうとしてる部分なのかも。普通くん+32
ModieOfTheEast
原文
As mentioned in the thread last week. I feel, the system has a lot of potential creativity in it that can be explored. And maybe Coco is the character to do this as. I mean, we already saw how they can utilize two halves of the same circle. But what if you find a way to change the "content" of the circle while it is active? Like for example how the direction could be changed if you find a way to change the arrows mid-cast (potentially by making a version where you can turn the circle like they did with their teleportation). Or even combine several elements by drawing a big circle and then two circles inside it.
先週のスレでも言われてたけど、この魔法体系にはもっと探求できる創造性がめっちゃあると思うンゴ。ココがその突破口になるキャラやろな。同じ円を二分割して使うのはもう見せたけど、円がアクティブな状態で「中身」を変えられたらどうなんやろ?例えば、テレポートみたいに円を回転させて矢印の方向を変えるとか、大きな円の中に二つの小さな円を描いて複数要素を組み合わせるとか、そういう発想がワクワクするンゴwww2ちゃん+27
Z000Burst
> Or even combine several elements by drawing a big circle and then two circles inside it. the crystal spell Coco trace in episode 1 have half circle inside the big circle that appear to have it own rune and sigil in it, so it does seem like you can put multiple spell rune inside one single spell circle
それな。1話でココがなぞった水晶の魔法陣、あれも大きな円の中に半円が入ってて、さらにその中に独自のルーンとシジルが描かれてたんだよな。つまり、一つの魔法陣の中に複数の呪文ルーンを組み込める構造になってるって考察ができる。考察くん+34
flybypost
> if you find a way to change the "content" of the circle while it is active? Like drawing on cloth (like Coco did with the sail) and then using overlapping wrinkles to cover/show/construct certain parts. Could that make an "interactive" spell?
確かに、布に描くみたいに重なりを利用して特定部分を隠したり見せたりできるなら、インタラクティブな魔法になりそうだね。面白いアイデアだと思う。普通くん+8
namewithak
>But what if you find a way to change the "content" of the circle while it is active? That's kinda what the magic teleportation window does, I think? Every time they turn the rings, the location changes.
>でもサークルがアクティブな状態で「内容」を変える方法があったらどうなるんだ? それって魔法のテレポート窓がやってることちゃうん? 毎回リング回すたびに場所変わるやん2ちゃん+8
falsefingolfin
There's something like that in the viewing glass that qifrey shows Coco last episode, the rotating concentric circle panels adjust the magic circle
確かに!先週のスレでも言われてたけど、あのシステムめっちゃ創造性ありそうじゃん? てか、キーフリーがココに見せた観察窓の中の回転する同心円パネル、あれで魔方陣調整できるのやばくね!?ギャル+5
mekerpan
I thought that magic design on the shoes was built in -- like the ridges of Hokas (and other sports shoes). 😉
確かに靴の魔法陣は元から埋め込まれてる感じだよね。HOKAの溝みたいなもんか。笑普通くん+7
Paulrusu
I thought that at first as well, but they can’t just draw a circle with anything or etch it into the shoes. Magic won’t work unless it’s drawn with that special ink
最初はワイもそう思ったンゴwww でも靴にただ円描いただけじゃダメなんやな。あの特殊インク使わんと魔法発動せんってガチで草2ちゃん+8
Guaymaster
I wonder if something like a seal would work. As in, carve out the circle under the shoes, and then just throw in ink. That way they'd never be permanently erased from water/mud/just walking a long time, if something like what happened to Coco happened, they'd not have to spend any time redrawing them.
確かに、靴底に円を彫ってインクを流し込むシール的な技法なら、水や泥で消えるリスクを減らせるという考察は面白いな。ココみたいな緊急時にも再描画の手間が省けるし、制作陣が意図的に「永続的な魔法陣の描写」を避けてる可能性も考えられる。考察くん+5
cyberscythe
原文
> I feel I would be a bad magician just because having to draw perfect circles would be nearly impossible for me. reminds me of a time in grade school when we had a math teacher who could freehand draw a giant ~1 meter circle on the chalkboard the class was so impressed that we interrupted him mid-class and asked him to teach us how to draw like that and we spent the rest of the class practicing on the chalkboard i remember him as a cool teacher who liked to follow the natural curiosity of his students and there were many classes which felt like he went completely off script just to teach us random stuff; i have no idea how we managed to learn what was supposed to be on the curriculum, but i think it worked out for us in the long run
それな、円を完璧に描くのは確かに難しそうだよね。 でもその数学の先生の話、めっちゃいい話だね。自由に黒板にでかい円を描ける先生って確かにすごいし、授業中断してまで生徒が興味持ったことに付き合ってくれるなんて、超かっこいい先生だと思う。 カリキュラム無視して色々教えてくれるタイプの先生って、長い目で見るとむしろためになること多いんだよね。普通くん+6
TheDoctorHam
It just takes practice, and I appreciate how they show a lot of Coco's early attempts are just squiggly. Getting a writing implement she was more familiar with helped her this time.
せやな、練習あるのみやろ。ココの最初の試行錯誤がただのぐちゃぐちゃな線で描かれてるの、ワイは結構評価してるわ。今回、彼女が慣れた筆記具使えたのがデカかったんやな。2ちゃん+5
Hounds_of_war
Agott is a little shit, which I mean as a compliment. Characters who are protagonists but insist on causing problems and clearly have some kind of issues they are working through are often some of my favorites.
アゴットは小賢しい小僧だ、褒め言葉として言っている。主人公でありながら自ら問題を起こし、明らかに何かしらの葛藤を抱えているキャラクターというのは、往々にして筆者のお気に入りになることが多い。彼女の行動原理を考察すると、単なる反抗心ではなく、何か内的なコンプレックスや焦りが伏線として機能している可能性が考えられる。この先の成長が楽しみだ。考察くん+54
karer3is
I honestly hate this trope, especially with characters like Eren (*Eren the Southpaw*) and Agott... they go around making life miserable for anyone who dares to "encroach" on their area of specialty, but it ends up getting waved away because they went on a redemption arc.
確かにそれはわかる。エレンやアゴットみたいなタイプ、自分の領域に踏み込む奴には容赦なくて周りを振り回すのに、結局は成長したって流されるパターン、個人的には好きじゃないな。普通くん+9
Hounds_of_war
原文
I mean *as people* they would piss me off if I had to constantly deal with them personally. But *as characters* I do really like the spice that is added to a story when you have someone who is allied with the protagonists but still causes conflicts. Especially this early in the story when we don’t really have antagonists yet beyond mentions of a group called “the Brim caps” that are presumably who Coco got her book from.
同意。実在する人間として考えたら、エレンやアゴットみたいなタイプは正直イライラするのも理解できる。 でもキャラクターとしての機能を考えると、味方でありながら物語内で摩擦を生む存在は非常に重要だ。特に物語の初期段階では、明確な敵対組織「ブリムキャップス」(おそらくココが本を手に入れた集団)が名前だけ登場するだけで、まだ具体的な敵役が確立されていない。そういう状況だからこそ、内面的な対立を生むキャラクター配置は物語を引き締める役割を果たしていると言える。考察くん+9
SEBASTlANVETTEL
that Coco flying sequence was one of thr most beatiful anime sequences I have seen this year. I am in awe especially with them showing those flashbacks between Coco and her mother.
ココの飛行シーン、今年見たアニメの中で一番美しかったわ……ガチでやばい。 特に母親との回想挟んでくるのがズルいンゴwww ワイもう涙腺崩壊やわ。2ちゃん+45
SmileyTheSmile
原文
As embarrassing as it is to admit, as a someone who never did anything really reckless as a kid, watching her trying to fly or build a flying ship with barely any understanding of how it all works to reach the flowers at that height made me kinda terrified. Reminds me of the moment Hiccup had to suddenly control Toothless without his cheat sheet. I do NOT have the balls for this, kudos to the girl.
正直言って恥ずかしいけど、子供の頃に無茶をしたことがない人間としては、彼女がほとんど何も理解しないまま空を飛ぼうとしたり、飛ぶ船を作ろうとして高所の花に手を伸ばそうとするのを見て、ちょっと怖くなったよ。ヒックが虎の巻なしで急にトゥースを操縦しなきゃいけなくなった瞬間を思い出す。 俺にはこれをする度胸はないな。彼女には敬意を表するよ。考察くん+45
Setowi
The goat is finally here, the brushbuddy! Voiced by the goat Misaki Kuno. Ahh all the mom stuff that they added hit right in the feels and the flying sequence looked so damn good. Another absolute banger episode.
ついに来たか、筆バディ!声優が釘宮理恵ってのも最高すぎる。 母親関連の追加エピソードがめっちゃ沁みたし、飛行シーンの作画がやばかったな。今回も神回だったわ。普通くん+46
DocMcCoy
I really like those pop-up book transitions
この絵本みたいな場面転換、めっちゃ好きなんだけど!やばくない!?ギャル+40
rondosparks
God I love this adaptation. It really does such a great job magnifying the whimsy of magic. I can’t wait to see how the rest of this adaptation progresses.
このアニメ化、めっちゃ好きだわ。魔法のファンタジー感をすごく引き立ててるよね。今後の展開が楽しみすぎる。普通くん+38
Malefic_Fatalis
Movie like animation. Insanely beautiful so far.
映画クオリティやん。ガチで美しすぎて草生えるわwww2ちゃん+35
MidOceanRidgeBasalts
原文
I LOVE YOU BRUSHBUDDY!!! So I guess the person that gave Coco the book was part of the Brimmed Hats. There was another leak four years ago, I wonder what the consequences were…? Also, Qifrey is a “problem child”? And he hates the witches’ underwater stronghold. Interesting. Poor Coco, Agott having her do the test when Qifrey says the conditions are so bad… but I believe in her! She’ll figure it out. It gives me a bad feeling, though. Agott’s trying to weed Coco out. Coco’s already thinking about drawing magic on her body, though she stopped since it was against the rules. The fact that this has already come up makes me think it’ll come back in a big way later. And Coco made it up! Using her own strengths instead of Agott’s shoes. But why did the screen get blurry during the flashbacks to her mom, huh?!?! I wish that Coco would have told Qifrey she didn’t just do the test of her own accord, but I understand why she didn’t. I think Coco and Agott will end up friends eventually though. I wonder if there was something special about Coco that made that person give her specifically the book? Clearly they’re keeping an eye on her. Were the dangerous conditions in the Dadah Range planned, based on that final bit? So many questions… Also, I heard in the dub, the atelier students have different accents, to show the class divide. I’m curious about if there’s different accents in the sub, I can’t really tell by ear.
ブラッシュバディ大好き!!! ココに本を渡したやつ、やっぱりブリムドハットの一員だったんだな。4年前にも別のリークがあったみたいだけど、その時はどうなったんだろう…?それにキーフリーって「問題児」なの?しかも魔女の水中拠点が嫌いって。面白いな。 かわいそうなココ…キーフリーがあんなに条件悪いって言ってるのにアゴットがテストやらせるなんて。でもココなら何とかするって信じてる!ただ、アゴットがココを追い出そうとしてる感じがして嫌な予感するな。 ココはもう体に魔法を描くこと考えてたけど、ルール違反だから止めたんだよね。ここでそれが出てきたってことは、後で大きく関わってきそう。 そしてココはやり遂げた!アゴットの靴じゃなくて自分の強みで。でも母親のフラッシュバックで画面がぼやけるのはなぜだよ!!!ココが自分の意思だけじゃなくテストを受けたってキーフリーに言ってほしかったけど、言わなかった理由も分かる。でも最終的にはココとアゴット、友達になれると思うな。 あの人がなんでココにだけあの本を渡したんだろう?何か特別なものがあるのか?明らかにココを見張ってるよな。最後の部分からすると、ダダー山脈の危険な状況も計画されてたのか?疑問が尽きない… あと、吹き替え版だと工房の生徒たちが階級の差を表すために違う訛りを使ってるって聞いたんだけど普通くん+37
ali94127
It might have been the same leak. It took years for Coco as a young child to realize that the "wand" was a pen. Another child or person might've realized it almost immediately.
それな!「I LOVE YOU BRUSHBUDDY!!!」に激しく同意ッ! ココが小さい頃に「杖」がペンって気づくのに何年もかかったのヤバすぎる。他の子だったら一瞬で気づいてたかもね…しんどい。感情くん+8
LeonKevlar
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* **Coco Stitch** Well, hellooooooooo! I love her design already. And I guess the Brimmed Caps she's talking about are like the evil witch organization of this world? Are their caps really brimmed? How big a brim are we talking about here? Like Wandering Witch Elaina's hat, or bigger like Big Hat Logan? Coco is such a goober. The entire scene where she was practicing how to fly using the shoes was adorable! I got a good laugh when she was launched sideways and when she was flying low to the ground while maintaining her balance. I did not expect the Witches' home base to be underwater! That's pretty damn cool. I do wonder what happened to Qifrey and why he hates the Great Hall that he refuses to stay there, where it's more convenient for him and his students. *"I've only had brushbuddy for only a minute, but if anything happens to him, I would kill everyone in this room and then myself."* OH. And here I thought Agott was just being strict with Coco. It turns out she's just being an ass and purposely made her take the test because she wants her out. Well fuck you too, buddy. Not gonna lie, the scenes where Coco was remembering her mother and she was being guided by her got me a little bit teary-eyed. I do love that instead of a pen, she basically made her own tailor's chalk. Or I guess we can call this a Witch's Chalk. 😆 Coco basically made Aang's glider from Avatar! That entire scene where she keeps on flying by the flowers trying to grab them was so beautifully animated. Bugfilms is really making the manga readers happy with this adaptation. Suck it, Agott! She couldn't even say anything to Coco and chose to walk away in disbelief because she clearly did not have any ounce of hope that Coco could do it. Coco looks great in her witch uniform! I am so proud of her! Does this mean she actually gets to keep brushbuddy with her, too? I wonder what she'll name the little guy.
*ココ・スティッチ* おやおや、これは素晴らしいデザインだな。彼女が言及していた「つば広帽」は、この世界における邪悪な魔女組織のことを指しているのだろうか?実際に彼らの帽子はつばが広いのか?どの程度の広さなんだ?『魔女の旅々』のイレイナの帽子くらいか、それとも『ダークソウル』の大帽子ロガンのようにもっと大きいのか? ココは本当に間抜けで愛らしい。靴を使って飛ぶ練習をしているシーン全体がたまらなく可愛かった!横に飛ばされた時や、低空でバランスを取りながら飛んでいる時は思わず笑ってしまった。 魔女たちの拠点が水中にあるとは全く予想していなかった!これはかなりクールだ。キーフリーに何があったのか、そして彼がなぜ大広間を嫌って、自分や生徒たちにとってより便利な場所に留まらないのか、気になるところだ。 「ブラシバディーを手に入れてまだ1分しか経ってないけど、もし彼に何かあったら、この部屋の全員を殺してから自分も死ぬ」 なるほど。アガットは単にココに厳しいだけだと思っていたが、実はただの意地悪で、彼女を追い出したいがためにわざとテストを受けさせたのか。それはお前が間違っているぞ、友よ。 正直なところ、ココが母親を思い出し、母親に導かれるシーンには少し涙が出そうになった。ペンではなく、彼女が自分で仕立て屋のチョークを作ったのが良い。いや、これは「魔女のチョ考察くん+34
JzanderN
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> Well, hellooooooooo! I love her design already. She's *veeery* pretty! I hope we'll see more of her! Given she seems to be of at least some note in the organisation and, more importantly, knows Qifrey, I don't doubt we will! > *"I've only had brushbuddy for only a minute, but if anything happens to him, I would kill everyone in this room and then myself."* The Studio Ghibli vibes are real and are working hard with this brushbuddy. It was pretty much fated to be Coco's pet as soon as she started talking to it. > OH. And here I thought Agott was just being strict with Coco. It turns out she's just being an ass and purposely made her take the test because she wants her out. Well fuck you too, buddy. Qifrey really needs to tell Agott off for what she did, because it was not okay. I don't blame him for not knowing at the time and focusing more on Coco anyway, but had something happened to her (injuries or even death in the worst but possible case) then it all would have been on Agott's conscience. I doubt Agott fully thought through the potential outcomes of sending Coco unprepared at that time – she likely just figured the height of the islands would make it impossible for her to get anywhere close – but that doesn't matter. > Not gonna lie, the scenes where Coco was remembering her mother and she was being guided by her got me a little bit teary-eyed. I absolutely love it. It was pretty obvious that Coco's skills with the cloth, if not entirely transferable to a pen, would come into play with her casting magic one way or another. But tying it to her mother specifically given how much of a driving force she's become for Coco's journey is just perfection. Actual peak.
**Coco Stitchへの返信:** - デザイン可愛すぎやろ!ワイも最初見た時「おっ」てなったわ - めっちゃ美人やん!もっと出番あるやろな - ブラシバディはジブリ感ガチwwwココのペットになる運命やったンゴね - アゴットはただのクズやんけ!ちゃんと考えろや。キフレはあれ絶対叱るべきやろ - 母親思い出して泣きそうになったわ…布の技術が魔法に活かされるの熱い - 母親がココの原動力になってる描写、完璧すぎて草2ちゃん+5
raveno19
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The flying scene is very beautiful. Coco with her wit cleared the test when the Range is at highest, but it seem like Agott was not happy, she wanted Coco to fail but the result is a girl who only knew magic in one or two day just won the test which small witches must train for sometime from young to join atelier. Agott must feels some rage, envy and confusion right now, may take some development episodes for her and Coco to connect. I expected some sorry and redemption from Agott in the future, her action this ep is dangerous and detestable.
飛ぶシーンめっちゃ綺麗だったな。 ココは機転を利かせて最大レンジのテストを突破したけど、アガットは不満げだったね。彼女はココに失敗してほしかったんだろうけど、魔法を知ってたった1、2日で、幼い頃から修行してアトリエに入った小さな魔女たちがクリアするテストに勝っちゃったんだもんな。 アガットは今、怒りと嫉妬と困惑でいっぱいだろうな。ココと彼女が繋がるには、これから成長エピソードが必要そう。今回の行動は危険で嫌な感じだったから、いつかアガットが謝罪して償う展開が来ることを期待してる。普通くん+36
Hitman7128
Coco may be clumsy, but it was endearing seeing her bungle with her attempts to fly. Poor Coco got startled by the brushbuddy and the water ruined her seal and the ink. That was a beautiful scene where her boat sail turned into a paraglider, and she let out some tears, remarking how helping her mother made her good at magic.
ココは不器用だけど、飛ぼうとして失敗する姿には愛嬌があったな。ブラシバディに驚かされて、水で印鑑もインクも台無しになっちゃったシーンは可哀想だった。でもボートの帆がパラグライダーに変わるあの美しい場面で、彼女が涙を流しながら「母を助けたことで魔法が得意になった」と語るのは、制作陣が意図的にキャラクターの成長と過去を結びつけた伏線回収だと思われる。考察くん+28
Frontier246
What Coco lacks in grace and experience she makes up for with enthusiasm, cuteness, and finely honed tailor skills. She loves magic but she loves her mother just as much, and this journey is as much about learning to wield magic as it is Coco trying to save her mother. So it's nice to see all those feelings come together for Coco's first big achievement.
ココのドジっ子っぷりは愛嬌あるよな 優雅さとか経験とか足りないけど、その分熱意と可愛さと仕立ての腕前でカバーしてるやん 魔法も好きやけど母親も同じくらい大事にしてて、今回の旅は魔法を覚えるのと母親を助けるの、両方の意味があるんやな それが初めての大成果に繋がって、全部の感情が一つになった感じがして良かったわ2ちゃん+25
Syokhan
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Well what Coco lacks in knowledge, she certainly makes up for in determination and creativity. What a beautiful moment it was when the ghost of her mother (so to speak) watched over her as she did what she excelled at: drawing beautiful straight lines. She may be unsteady with a pen but she's a master with those stones. And I can't praise the visuals and soundtrack enough. The score is so good, and I love how vibrant she whole show is. What a treat it is to watch this weekly.
ココは知識不足を決意と創造力でカバーしてる感じだね。 母親の霊(みたいな存在)が見守る中で、彼女が得意な美しい直線を描くシーンは本当に美しかった。ペンは不安定だけど、石なら達人ってわけか。 あと映像と音楽は褒めすぎることはないよ。スコアも最高だし、作品全体の鮮やかさが大好き。毎週観られるのが本当に楽しみ。普通くん+34
Frontier246
Coco feels like Magic Deku where she's someone the magical community as a whole would probably say isn't cut out for her dream to be a Witch but she's got the enthusiasm and intuitiveness to make up for it in a way specific to her, along with a great mom backing her up (even if just in her memories).
ココって魔法界のデクみたいやな。「お前には魔女は無理」って言われそうなのに、その分熱意と直感でカバーしてるんよな。しかも(記憶の中だけやけど)最高のママが支えてくれてるし。めっちゃいいシーンやったわwww2ちゃん+8
AceSoldia
Fucking Agott almost got my girl killed. Lol what a episode..so beautiful..and now she has a animal companion...truly a Disney Princess
マジでアゴット、うちの推し殺しかけたじゃん!笑 今回の話やばくね!?めっちゃ綺麗だったし、しかも今や動物の仲間ゲットって…完全にディズニープリンセスじゃん!ギャル+26
Frontier246
I love how Coco comes back against all odds and all Agott can do is just walk away in a huff like a proper Mean Girl antagonist lol.
確かに、ココが逆境に立ち向かって戻ってきたのに、アガットはただムカついて立ち去るだけってのが典型的な意地悪キャラって感じで笑えるな。普通くん+31
AceSoldia
🤣
それな!アゴットのあのムカつきながら去っていく感じ、まさにMean Girlすぎるッ!笑えるw感情くん+8
Western-Internal-751
This anime gives me some serious Studio Ghibli vibes
このアニメ、めっちゃジブリ感あるよね普通くん+27
HeavyBluebird6495
BugFilm is magic
バグフィルムの映像、魔法すぎるッ!感情くん+23
Zemahem
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Man, Dadah Range is so picturesque. The shot where Coco first sees the floating islands was straight up wallpaper material. I just love how spherical those islands are; makes them look really whimsical. And the whole sequence of Coco executing her plan to get the flower was amazing. Especially loved the over-the-shoulder shot before she took to the skies. Crazy how she just invented windsurfing and hand gliding on accident one after the other. Stellar production aside, it's simply poetic that it's her mother's teachings and craft that gave Coco the means to pass the test. It also just occurred to me how the symbols on her mother's sleeves kinda look like magic circles. I wonder if that'll mean something in the future, or if it's just a pure coincidence. I feel sorry for the people who thought Agott was just gonna be helpful towards Coco. But nope, her pettiness is just not as blatant. Honestly, it rubs me the wrong way that Coco got even the slightest bit of scolding of Qifrey. Not like she could've thought to do anything else with Agott deceiving her like that. Hopefully the latter gets reprimanded more severely later on. Cause while she expected Coco to just give up, she could've easily gone against her expectations and ended up badly hurt or worse. Also, the Great Hall is basically Rapture for witches. And I think it's notable that Qifrey was unwilling to stay there. I mean- I really don't like the idea of living in an underwater city either. But I expect his reasoning has a lot more to do with some disagreements with how they do things.
ダダン・レンジ、めっちゃ景色綺麗だよね。ココが初めて浮遊島を見たカット、まんま壁紙にできるレベル。あの島々の丸みがすごく幻想的で好き。花を取る計画を実行するシーンも最高だった。特に空に飛び立つ前の肩越しショットが良かった。しかもウィンドサーフィンとハンググライダーを偶然続けて発明しちゃうってすごすぎる。 制作のクオリティもさることながら、母親の教えと技術がココの試験突破の鍵になったってのが詩的だよね。あと気づいたんだけど、母親の袖の模様って魔法陣っぽくない? 今後何か意味が出てくるのか、それともただの偶然なのか気になる。 アゴットが単純にココを助けるだけだと思ってた人は残念だったね。でも彼女の意地悪さはもっと巧妙ってわけか。ココがキーフリーにちょっとでも叱られたの、なんかモヤモヤする。アゴットに騙された状況で他にできることなんてなかったのに。後でちゃんと罰せられてほしい。ココが諦めると思ってたかもしれないけど、簡単に予想を裏切られて大怪我とかしてた可能性もあったんだから。 あと大広間は魔女にとってのラプチャーだよね。キーフリーがあそこに留まりたがらなかったのも納得。まあ水中都市に住むのは俺も嫌だけど、彼の理由はもっと彼らのやり方への反発が大きそうだけどな。普通くん+22
ImportantExtension91
Literally movie quality. Imagine watching this on imax screen.
マジで映画クオリティじゃん!IMAXで観たらやばくね!?想像しただけでテンション上がるんだけど笑ギャル+23
chhuang
Coco: with ink pen: draws normally as a child would with rock: one of those math profs that draw perfect circle as if their arm is a drawing compass
ココって、普通のペンだと子どもみたいな絵しか描けないのに、石だとまるで定規みたいに完璧な円を描く数学教授みたいだよね。普通くん+18
ohoni
As an artist, I can confirm. Trying to use a new tool/method will always be harder than whatever you're used to.
せやな、ワイも絵描きやけどめっちゃわかるわ。新しい道具とか技法に挑戦するのって、慣れたもん使うより絶対ムズいンゴwww2ちゃん+8
Top-Society1540
What a beautiful episode ❤️
めっちゃ美しい回だった…❤️ 泣いた。感情くん+24
ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp
Oh man... I'm so tempted to drop this so I can binge it all when it's finished. That went by way too fast. It didn't feel like 25 minutes at all.
やばっ!まじで完結したら一気見したいから今は我慢したい気持ちめっちゃあるんだけど! てかもう終わっちゃったじゃん!?25分って感じしなさすぎでしょ笑ギャル+22
a1oner_bvcksn6
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Coco the innovator ftw. She should get credited for inventing the so-called witch's' broom or kite, or perhaps it shall be known as a "witch's sail". Agott's just throwing a silent tantrum over the fact that she has one more rival to Qifrey's undivided attention, and just maybe, deep down she knows she's no longer the favorite, top apprentice. So it appears it's no coincidence that a book containing some powerful forbidden spells was handed to Coco when she was younger. The Brimmed Caps certainly sounds like a proper name for an elite group of selected few, not necessarily as a vile group or syndicate of witches operating in the shadows
ココの発想力エグいなwww 「魔女の箒」とか「凧」って呼ばれてたもん、マジで「魔女の帆」って命名されるべきやろ アガットはただ黙ってキレてるだけやんw キーフリーの注目集めるライバルが増えたのがムカつくんやろな 心の奥ではもう自分が一番弟子じゃないって気付いてるンゴねぇ… やっぱココが子供の時に禁術の本を渡されたのは偶然じゃなかったんやな 「山高帽」って名前、闇で暗躍する邪悪な魔女集団ってよりはエリート集団って感じで草2ちゃん+19
No_Name0_0
Floating hills, undersea city, cute fantasy animals, this is a fun fantasy world. Wonder if Agott will get any punishment for basically attempted murder forcing a newbie like that
やばくね!?浮いてる丘とか海底都市とか可愛いファンタジー動物とか、この世界観まじで楽しそうじゃん!てかアガット、初心者にあんなことして殺人未遂みたいなことしたのに、なんか罰とかあるのかな?笑ギャル+17
Prof_Acorn
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That's the one thing about Frieren that kind of disappoints me. It's magical high fantasy (with video game influences even) but then the settings are just all basically not-Germany. Like it's beautiful, but this here is one of the things I love about magical high fantasy: fantastical environments. It's what I'm looking for in this genre. Floating island orbs during sunset? Fabulous! Wizard BioShock city that you get to via a Stargate? So cooool! Cute ghibli ferret mascot? Yes please!
同意。そこが『葬送のフリーレン』で個人的に物足りないと感じる点でもあるんだよな。確かに美麗ではあるけど、舞台設定がほとんど「ドイツ風のファンタジー世界」に留まってる。対して本作は、夕日に浮かぶ島々や、スターゲート経由で行くウィザード版バイオショック都市、ジブリ的なかわいいフェレットマスコットと、魔法ファンタジーならではの幻想的な環境描写が豊富で、まさにこのジャンルに求めてたものを体現してる。アガットの罰についてはどうなるか気になるな。考察くん+20
No_Name0_0
Yeah Frieren is more like Harry Potter in that sense, it's a more grounded world with magic in it. WHA seems like a fully magical world
確かにフリーレンはハリーポッター的な感じで、魔法が存在するけど世界観は現実寄りだよね。WHAは完全に魔法世界って感じがする。普通くん+5
KazuharaIlfan
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What can I say? This episode is just... **MAGICAL** Read some tweets that manga readers worried that its hard to defend Agott early on and wow, they are absolutely right. This is some malicious behavior. Im fine with it because this usually leads to future setup of her changing views of Coco but we'll see. I never thought she was making a glider. My guess that she was drawing the exact spell from last episode but making it like a water fountain instead. Considering the height she need to reach, yeah that wouldnt be enough. Coco looks really cool by tracing her past knowledge to draw the spell and risking her balance to get the herb so it's pretty fulfilling to root for her. Can't wait for next week.
このエピソード、一言で言うなら…**魔法**そのものだったな。 漫画読者の間で「序盤のアゴットは擁護が難しい」って声があったのを見かけたけど、まさにその通りだ。これは明らかに悪意のある行動だ。ただ、これが今後の彼女のココに対する価値観の変化に繋がる布石だと考えると、個人的には納得できる。今後に期待だ。 彼女がグライダーを作ってるとは思わなかった。てっきり前回のエピソードと同じ魔法陣を描いて、それを噴水のように応用してるのかと予想してたんだが。あの高さを考慮すると、それじゃ足りなかったんだろうな。 ココは過去の知識を頼りに魔法陣を描き、体勢を崩しながらも薬草を取るリスクを冒す姿が本当にかっこよかった。応援したくなる主人公だ。来週が待ちきれない。考察くん+17
runevault
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Setting the tone early mentioning the other faction, how long since the last open sign of forbidden magic, and how dangerous the test is... and now we get the opening. Not my favorite of the season (that belongs to Botan Kamiina Fully Blossoms When Drunk) but great. Of course being an Eve track helps, dude's anime tracks are bangers. So Agott is trying to kill our sweet Coco. Or she's an idiot. Frankly right now girl is straight up evil. Feels like she gave the shoes just because it would shut her up. Qifrey clearly didn't realize how much Agott hates our precious bean. Little Red Witch Hood is so cute as she stumbles through the forest. Struggling to figure out flying manages to make her even cuter, how is this possible? Underwater city? Why do I feel like this is the other witch faction's home? Nope I'm wrong there's Qifrey. I wonder why he is so aggressively against living with the other witches at the hall? Be interesting to see how long that takes to get revealed. The animators must have had a blast with this episode. Coco trying to 'climb' the range is full of silly animations. And we're back to Agott. I'm curious what her redemption arc looks like because right now she is actively vile. And she just admitted she knew this was the hardest time to do the range. Frankly Qifrey should banish her for this, but I'm sure he won't. She is not who gets to decide this shit. Ah, Coco's first temptation to use forbidden magic. And Agott has broken her, poor Coco. And how young was Coco when her father died? Quoting a famous movie line... she's beginning to believe! Callback to the flying cape bit from episode 1! Coco is such a fucking bad ass here. God this show is stunning, the art is great. God I hate Agott so much right now. She doesn't deserve magic. I'm so angry Coco didn't tell Qifrey what actually happened and just accepted the scolding, though frankly he should be smart enough to realize she couldn't have aligned the circle to attempt the trial on her own. Okay, 'the seed has sprouted.' that brings me back to a question I had last week. Was Coco a specific target or just one of many given such grimoires? This doesn't answer it but feels like we're getting closer to learning that answer.
【OPの感想】 他派閥の話とか禁術の兆候とか試験の危険性を冒頭でガッツリ出してきてからのOPかよ。今期で一番好きってわけじゃないけど(ワイは「酔いどれ小鳩」派)普通に良い。Eveの曲だしな、あいつのアニメ曲はガチで神。 【アゴット】 アゴット、ココを殺す気か?それかマジでバカ。現時点では完全に悪役やん。靴を渡したのも黙らせるためだけだろ。キーフリーはアゴットがどれだけココのこと嫌ってるか全く気づいてなかった。 【リトルレッドライディングフッド】 森でヨチヨチ歩くココが可愛すぎるンゴwww 飛行の練習でさらに可愛くなるってどういうことやねん。 【水中都市】 水中の街?他派閥の拠点かと思ったらキーフリーいたわ。なんであそこまで協会の連中と一緒に住むの拒否ってるんやろ。その理由が明かされるの楽しみやわ。 【作画】 アニメーター楽しんで作ってそう。ココが山登ろうとするシーン、全部ギャグアニメみたいな動きで草。 【アゴット再び】 アゴットの更生フラグ気になるわ。現時点でガチでクズやし。しかも一番難しいタイミングで試験やらせたって自白したし。キーフリーは追放すべきやろ、でもしないんだろうな。あいつが決めることちゃうやん。 【禁術の誘惑】 ココ2ちゃん+16
flybypost
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> I wonder why he is so aggressively against living with the other witches at the hall? I get the feeling that it's a bit like in a submarine down there. That might not be the actual reason but I'd not want to live there. Just one of those spells that, I assume, keeps the water out needs to fail and you got a lot of work on your hands. > And we're back to Agott. I'm curious what her redemption arc looks like Yup, it feels like one of those early manga moments where you get an side-character who's pushed to the be opposite of the main character. Better at magic, contrasting hair colour, aloof, stupidly antagonistic. And over time those early extremes get adjusted. > Was Coco a specific target or just one of many given such grimoires? Their first contact felt random. That makes me think there's a way to track those magic–picture books to see who manages to learn spells and who then survives and/or thrives afterwards. A targetted approach feels like it would need much more orchestration behind the scenes to work out and besides, everybody can learn magic. There's no real need to target some specific group of people. ~~And Coco has no connection to magic.~~ Wait, maybe her dead father? That could change the argument.
**1つ目「なぜ彼は館で他の魔女たちと一緒に暮らすことにそんなに反対なのか?」について** あの地下施設、潜水艦みたいな閉塞感があるんだろうな。実際の理由は別かもしれないけど、俺もあそこには住みたくない。水を防ぐための魔法が一つでも失敗したら大変な作業になるしな。 **2つ目「アガットの話に戻るけど、彼女の贖罪編がどうなるか気になる」について** そうそう、初期の漫画でありがちな「主人公の対極に位置するサイドキャラ」って感じだよな。魔法の腕は上、髪色は対照的、無愛想で意味不明に敵対的。でも時間が経つにつれて、そういう初期の極端さは調整されていく。 **3つ目「ココは特定の標的だったのか、それともただの大勢の中の一人なのか」について** 最初の接触はランダムに感じられた。つまり、あの魔法の絵本を追跡して「誰が魔法を覚え、生き残り、成長するか」を見る仕組みがあるんじゃないか。狙い撃ちにはもっと複雑な裏工作が必要だし、何より誰でも魔法は覚えられる。特定の集団を標的にする必要はない。 ~~それにココには魔法との接点がない~~ 待てよ、彼女の死んだ父親が関係してる可能性もあるか。その場合、話は変わってくる。考察くん+5
PhantomWolf83
The hell, so Agott escaped punishment for going over her master's head just like that? What a bitch.
マジかよ、アゴットが師匠を差し置いて行動したのに罰もなしで済んだのかよ。なんだよあの女。普通くん+19
kkrko
Qifey might just be focusing on Coco at that moment. Scolding Agott can wait, but it's more important to make sure Coco is alright and reassure her then and there.
せやな、キーフィはその時ココのことしか頭になかったんやろ。アゴット叱るのは後回しで、まずはココの無事確認して安心させる方が大事って判断やな。2ちゃん+22
CooroSnowFox
Qifrey would know who set her up to do this, I wonder how much of the plan this just happens to align, but then would Agott ever go against Qifrey's word?
それな!アガットがまじで何の罰もなしってやばくね?笑 でもキーフレイなら誰が仕向けたか気づいてそうじゃん?てかアガットがキーフレイの言うことに逆らうとかあるの?ギャル+8
Shimmering-Sky
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- Hah. - lol, of *course* Agott is sending Coco to the exact test Qifrey said he *didn’t* want her taking yet. - Oh boy. - Ah, it’s not a *mountain* range, it’s a floating spheres of land range… - Oh lol, here I was expecting Coco to immediately fly into a tree or something at her first attempt using the shoes. Her actual first attempt was just not even using them right… - Interesting… - Uh-oh. - And she can’t even fix it… - So Agott did this on *purpose*. - Coco, I’m pretty sure that’s dangerous as *hell*. - She’s not giving up yet! - Ooh, so she’s doing it on purpose. Neat. - Nice! - Yay~!
- ははっ - あー、やっぱアゴットがココをクィフェイが「まだ受けさせるな」って言った試験に送り込んでるのか。なるほどね - おやまあ - あ、山脈じゃなくて浮遊する土地の塊なんだな… - あはは、靴の初使用で木に激突とか想像してたけど、実際は使い方すら間違えてただけか… - 興味深いな… - まずいぞ - しかも直せない… - ってことはアゴット、わざとやったのか - ココ、それめっちゃ危ないと思うんだけど - まだ諦めてない! - おお、わざとやってるのか。いいね - ナイス! - やった〜普通くん+15
Frontier246
I like how they captured that flying is wonderful...after a few bumps along the way lol. They animated that Witch suit up sequence as beautifully as they do everything else. That takes real passion.
草ァ!アゴットまさかココをキーフリーが「まだ受けさせるな」って言った試験に送り込むとかwww 飛行シーンのワクワク感、ちょっとしたドタバタ込みでちゃんと描けてるの好きやわ。 魔女服の変身シーンの作画も相変わらずやばいな。あのクオリティはガチの愛を感じるンゴwww2ちゃん+11
SpotMaleficent9900
I see Agott is going to be one of those insufferable characters, that A) is going to go from a bad person to Coco to one of her biggest supporters or B) Will never accept Coco being potentially better than her.
アゴットはどうやら面倒なキャラのタイプだね。A) ココに対して最初は敵対的だけど後に最大の味方になるパターンか、B) ココが自分より上に行くのを絶対に認めないパターンか。どっちに転ぶか気になる。普通くん+14
CooroSnowFox
I can see the many ways to her character, e.g Coco saves Agott from something in her most ignorant state and then things shift from there... she'd finally have dinner with the others instead of being as far away from the others as possible.
それな。ワイもアゴットの成長ルートは見えるわ。ココが無知な状態で何か助ける→そこから関係変わる→他の連中と離れて飯食うのが当たり前だったのが一緒に食うようになる、みたいな展開やろな。2ちゃん+7
smittyfizzy33
Wow, this one is special. And we’re only on episode 3. It’s been a while since I’ve felt this excited for a show.
マジでこれ特別なやつだわッ!まだ第3話なのに、こんなにアニメにワクワクするの久しぶりすぎる!!優勝確定かも。感情くん+15
CrimsonGear80
"you brought home the mascot character! you pass!"
「マスコットキャラ連れて帰ってきたんか!合格や!」2ちゃん+15
thisisdropd
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Agott’s absolutely brutal. Thought she had no idea about the condition being less suitable to sit the test, but turned out she knew all along, and in fact was the reason she pushed Coco. Got a well-deserved karma when she saw Coco passing it with flying colours. She must’ve been seething even more at the fact that Coco succeeded the task in an even more challenging condition. Chances are she lied about there being only one opportunity. Even if Coco had failed, she could simply resit the test. Not that it would matter as Qifrey had already accepted her. ___ Coco turned out to have the magic of impeccable tailoring, and somehow used it to invent a magical aeroplane. I dread to think how Agott would’ve reacted had she seen this.
アゴットはマジで容赦ないな。試験に不利な条件だって気づいてないと思いきや、最初から知っててココを追い込んだってわけか。 ココが余裕で合格したのを見た時のアゴットのざまあ感は見事だったな。しかもココはもっと厳しい条件で成功しちゃったから、内心さらにイライラしてたんだろうな。 一回きりのチャンスって嘘だった可能性もあるし、もしココが落ちても再試験できたはずだし。キーフリーがもう受け入れてたから関係なかったけどね。 ココは完璧な仕立ての魔法を持ってて、それで魔法の飛行機を編み出したんだよな。アゴットがこれを見たらどんな反応したか想像するだけで笑える。普通くん+11
CooroSnowFox
Did Agott see that Qifrey was there and what he was arriving with when she peeked around, her being hidden there as well, was it the noise or was she waiting?
アゴットガチで怖すぎやろwww 「試験に適さない」って知らなかったわけじゃなくて、最初から気づいてたんか… キーフリーが来たの見えてたんかな?それとも物音か待ってたんか? 草生えるわ、この展開やばすぎンゴwww2ちゃん+9
marcopolos059
I have a feeling Agott will never really get called out for sending Coco into a dangerous situation knowing she had zero practical experience. And Qifrey putting part of the blame on Coco felt really off for a mentor. This turned me off a little.
アゴットがココに実戦経験ゼロの危険な状況を送り込んだこと、全然責められない気がするな。それにキーフリーがココにも責任の一端があるみたいな言い方したのは、師匠としてちょっと違和感あった。このせいで少し冷めちゃったわ。普通くん+17
Gentlemad
I'm curious as to what Agott's lot will be in all this (not setting any expectations for the future) but IMO "if the choice is between failing and risking death by casting unprepared magic like i taught you not to do, then fail" is pretty good mentoring. Especially since he follows it up by recognizing her as his apprentice regardless.
確かにアガットの行動は倫理的に問題があるけど、クスタス師匠の「失敗するならまだしも、教えた通りに準備不足の魔法で命の危険を冒すな」という指導は、むしろ良い mentoring だと思う。その後も彼女を正式な弟子として認めている点を踏まえると、制作陣は「安全第一の魔法教育」というテーマを一貫させているんだろうな。考察くん+9
fudgecake199
Qifrey didn’t know Agott’s part in it. From Coco’s perspective, I always viewed it that she wants to prove herself to Agott on her own terms, and thus wouldn’t tell Qifrey anything anyway because that would get in the way of that goal.
確かにキーファはアゴットの関与を知らないよね。ココからすると、自分のやり方でアゴットに認めてもらいたいから、キーファに話すとそれが邪魔になるって思ってるんだろうな。普通くん+9
BaytaCosmico
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Agott will obviously turn out to be a good person later on, but she really pissed me off this episode. How cruel of her to force Coco to take a test she knew (or rather thought) the latter wouldn't be able to pass just to kick her out of the atelier. And that too when Qifrey wasn't around. Very devious and bad of her. No two ways about it. Serves her right that Coco proved her wrong and passed the test by herself. Agott has no leg to stand on now with her stupid elitist nonsense of only we the witch born can become witches bullcrap. On a nicer note, it was very satisfying to see Coco use her mother's teaching and her own quick thinking to pass the test. Oh, and I love the little brushbuddy - so cute and fluffy! I want one too!
アゴットは後に良いキャラになるのは明らかだけど、今回のエピソードでは本当にイラっとさせられたよ。ココが絶対に合格できないと分かっていながら(というか思い込んでいたけど)試験を強要して工房から追い出そうとするなんて、しかもキーフリーがいない隙を狙うとは。非常に狡猾で悪質だ。言い訳の余地はない。 ココが彼女の予想を覆して自力で試験に合格したのは当然の報いだ。アゴットはもう「魔法使いに生まれた者だけが魔法使いになれる」なんてエリート主義の馬鹿げた主張で立つ瀬がない。 良い点としては、ココが母親の教えと機転を利かせて試験を突破したのが非常に痛快だった。それと、あの小さなブラッシュバディが可愛すぎる!ふわふわで癒される。私も欲しい!考察くん+12
CooroSnowFox
Something in how Agott was when Coco returned, how she did it... Agott definitely didnt have it that easy...
確かに、アゴットも簡単な道のりじゃなかったんだろうね……ココが戻ってきた時のあの感じ、やり方を見てるとそう思うよ。普通くん+7
Prof_Acorn
Haters be jelly when someone with natural talent walks in the room.
それな!まじアガットちょっとジェラってたよね〜笑 でもココみたいな天才が現れたらそりゃ焦るわな!ギャル+8
JzanderN
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Wait... the guy who gave Coco that book was watching the whole time? You can't just end the episode like that! I was going to talk about Brushbuddy and how it felt like a Studio Ghibli creature, right down to being Coco's pet now. Thing's god damn adorable and would fit right in with Spirited Away or Howl's Moving Castle. But now I have to wonder about those 5 seconds! Does this organisation just want to return to a time when everyone knew every kind of magic? Do they want to revert all of these "you are born a witch or you're not?" lies that the organisation makes for humanity's own protection? That would make a lot of sense for why they're giving spellbooks to children and why they're keeping an eye on Coco for being the first outsider to be accepted in, particularly with how he said "the seed has sprouted" after she succeeded her test. But I also assume that includes reverting to allowing forbidden magic. They're not exactly going to be good guys after giving a young girl a petrification spell. Had the book only been safe, fun magic then that would have been one thing, but they definitely have bad intentions even if mixed in with good.
あの…ココに本を渡した奴、ずっと見てたの?そんな終わり方ありかよ! ブラッシュバディはもうスタジオジブリの生き物みたいだなって思ってたんだよね。今やココのペットだし、千と千尋の神隠しとかハウルの動く城にもいそうな感じ。マジで可愛い。でもあのラスト5秒が気になりすぎる! この組織って、みんなが全種類の魔法を知ってた時代に戻したいだけなのか? 「魔女に生まれなきゃ魔女にはなれない」っていう嘘を覆そうとしてる?人間を守るための組織の教えをね。それなら子供に魔導書を渡す理由も、外部から初めて受け入れられたココを監視してる理由も納得できる。試験成功後に「種が芽吹いた」って言ってたしな。 でもそれって禁術も許可するってことだよな。少女に石化魔法を渡すような連中が善人なわけない。安全で楽しい魔法だけならまだしも、良かれと思ってても悪意は確かにあると思う。普通くん+12
zool714
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Two things I felt didn’t get the “weight” it deserves. Coco getting the flower. After saying how she’s still new to magic and how the Dadah range is at its highest elevation and can get someone killed. I get the relief that she’s okay, but the reaction to that achievement just felt underwhelming Second is Agott’s attempts at failing Coco. Maybe it will get addressed later on cos Coco hadn’t thought to mention that Agott egged her on cos she probably didn’t know just how underqualified she was. But right now, it just felt like it’s being swept under the rug
草、ワイもそこ気になったわ 1. ココが花取ったシーン、もっと盛り上がるべきやろwww 「初心者やし高所は死ぬで」って言っといて、無事取れたのに周りの反応薄すぎん? 2. アゴットの件もそう ココが煽られたこと言うてないし、自分がどんだけ実力不足かわかってないんやろうな このまま流される感じがモヤるンゴ 後でちゃんと回収されるんかねぇ…2ちゃん+12
runevault
Egged her on is underselling it. Agott forced her to go acting as if Coco had to get it over with now, abusing Coco's lack of knowledge about Witch culture to get her to stop arguing.
まじそれな!アゴットがココの知識不足に付け込んで無理やり押し切った感じやばくね?「お前がやるしかない」って空気作って、反論させないようにしてたし、結構えげつないわ笑ギャル+14
AnusBlaster5000
White hair, blue eyes, hates the current magical governance, and takes an apprentice that he really shouldnt... I'm on to you Satoru
白髪に青い瞳、現行の魔法統治を嫌ってて、本当は取るべきじゃない弟子を取る… お前の正体は悟ったぞ、Satoru普通くん+10
NationalStrategy
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**Agott**: If you fail, you'll never be allowed to be Master Qifrey's apprentice. You'll have to leave the atelier, too. Excuse me, little girl, that's not up to you, you don't get to decide who stays and who goes. Matter of fact, Qifrey should be chewing her out and reprimanding her. He left Agott in charge of Coco (his brand new apprentice that he brought to the atelier a few days prior), and in his absence, she left Coco in a dangerous area, and made her take an unauthorized test that was too soon for her, assuming that Coco would fail, and be forced to leave. She better get punished for what she did.
アゴット:「もし失敗したら、あなたは二度とキーフリー先生の見習いになることを許されないわ。アトリエからも出ていかなきゃいけなくなる」 ちょっと待て、君にそんな決定権はないはずだ。誰が残り誰が去るかを決めるのは君の役目じゃない。 実際問題、キーフリーが彼女を叱るべき場面だと思う。彼はアゴットにココ(数日前にアトリエに来たばかりの新米見習い)の面倒を見るよう任せたのに、不在中に彼女はココを危険な場所に放置し、時期尚早な許可のないテストを強要した。しかもココが失敗してアトリエを去らざるを得なくなる前提で動いている。 彼女が受けるべき罰は受けるべきだという考察ができる。考察くん+12
Zeikos
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Ah yes, attempted murder, fun. I love Coco's "improvise, adapt, overcome" attitude. I was wondering when her skills with clothing would show up, she's going to be an absolute monster with her clothing won't she? The surface area you could fit in a purpose made outfit is truly massive. Also remember, always put a terminating condition on your while loops. I wonder how she shut down the cloak.
あー、殺人未遂って楽しいね。 Cocoの「即興で適応して乗り越える」姿勢好きだわ。服飾スキルがいつ出てくるのかと思ってたけど、彼女なら専用の服作ったらヤバいことになりそうだよね。表面積めちゃくちゃ広く使えるし。 それと、whileループには必ず終了条件を設定しようね。あのマント、どうやって止めたんだろ。普通くん+13
dagreenman18
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That feeling you have? It’s the feeling of being incredibly parternal over Coco. That is our baby and we love her. Especially when she’s simply doing her best despite Agott’s total lack of faith in her. Bug is going all the way off with this one. The soundtrack is already beautiful. The piece that plays during Coco’s dream enhances an already emotional moment to its peak. There’s also just insane bits of animation during Coco’s attempt to fly. Loved that sequence that clearly referenced GoPro footage of a jetski. It’s clever as hell. It’s already the Anime of the Season. It’s gaining traction like crazy. The Qifrey thirst edits are already going off. Things are good.
ココが可愛すぎて親心が溢れるンゴwww ワイらの赤ちゃんやで。アガットに全く信頼されてないけど必死に頑張ってる姿が尊すぎるわ。 バグの演出がガチでヤバい。音楽も美麗やし、ココの夢のシーンの曲が感動を最高潮に引き上げとるわ。飛行シーンの作画もやばすぎやろ、ジェットスキーのGoPro映像オマージュがめっちゃ粋やん。天才かよ。 今期の覇権確定やろ。バズりまくっとるし、キーフリーの編集動画も既に量産されとる。最高や。2ちゃん+11
NinokuNANI
Alright Agott, you're on one.
アゴット、今日はなんかすごいね。普通くん+12
PeaceAlien
Sure, Coco passed the test and is officially an apprentice. But the big win is the Brushbuddy pet. Someone seems to have been watching over Coco's test as well All the mom flashbacks are super cute
ココちゃん試験合格して正式に見習いになったのは草 でも一番の勝ち組は筆ペットやろwww 試験見守ってる誰かがおるっぽいンゴねぇ ママ回想シーン全部可愛すぎてワイ昇天2ちゃん+11
vp797
Brushbuddy, my beloved
ブラッシュバディ、俺の最愛すぎるッ!感情くん+11
FarCritical
Amidst the most trying of trials will you encounter the brushiest of buddies. It took the flashback of Coco's first encounter with Qufrey for it to sink in but being a skilled tailor as a kid might as well be the next best thing to being attuned to magic when spells are all about precise sketches.
最も過酷な試練のさなか、あなたは最も親しい友と出会うだろう。 ココがクフリーと初めて出会った回想シーンでようやく腑に落ちたんだが、子供時代に熟練した仕立て屋だったという設定は、魔法が精密な描写に全てをかける世界において、魔力に適性があるのとほぼ同等の価値を持つ伏線だと思われる。考察くん+10
btspacecadet
The scene of Coco practicing drawing on fabric as a child, and then the memory of her mother guiding Coco's hand made me cry so hard.
草、幼いココが布に絵を練習してるシーンから母親が手を添えて思い出してワイ泣いてもうたンゴwww2ちゃん+8
HolyDragSwd2500
Coco became the Flying Witch Atelier
ココがフライングウィッチアトリエになっちゃったじゃん!!やばくね!?まじで成長したな〜って思うんだけど笑ギャル+10
kmlshblr
um wtf why did Qifrey lecture Coco instead of Agott??? I seriously hope that lil shit gets some punishment or at the least a scolding. Coco could have died easily. Agott knowingly sent her when the test was difficult and dangerous
え?何でキーフリーはアゴットじゃなくてココを説教したんだ?あの小僧には罰かせめて叱責くらい与えてほしいものだ。ココは簡単に死ぬ可能性があったんだぞ。アゴットはテストが困難で危険だと知りながら、わざと彼女を送り込んだんだ。考察くん+8
CooroSnowFox
Telling agott off wouldn't achieve anything Reminding coco of her position is probably more key at the stage.
確かにアゴットを叱っても意味ないよね。今の段階ではココに自分の立場を自覚させる方が重要なんだと思う。普通くん+12
allisonhanj
Qifrey was only told that Coco went to take the test herself. Even Tetia didn't seem aware of how much Agott was at fault. Judging by the way he left Coco as Agott's responsibility, he probably doesn't think Agott is capable of something this reckless
せやな、キーフリーはココが自分で試験受けたって聞かされただけやからな。テティアですらアゴットの過失の度合い把握してなさそうやし。アゴットにココ任せた感じ見ると、キーフリーはアゴットがそんな無茶するとは思ってないんやろな。まあ確かにワイもそこまでは予想できんわwww2ちゃん+5
CommanderZx2
How would she go to take the test herself though? She basically just arrived, she has no knowledge of how to set the window to the destination of the test nor even what tests are required to pass. The only way Coco could do the test is if anther apprentice sent her according to the logic of the story we have been shown.
確かに。彼女が自分だけで試験を受けに行くなんてありえないよね。到着したばかりで行き先の窓の設定方法も、必要な試験内容も知らないはずだし。 今までの話の流れからすると、ココが試験に行ける唯一の方法は、他の見習いが送り出した場合だけだと思う。普通くん+9
allisonhanj
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It's obvious that Agott was involved, considering that Coco also has her shoes lol, but what I'm saying is that Qifrey thinks Coco was the one who wanted to do it. I doubt he'd suspect Agott of literally pushing her out the window Edit: Coco's characterization last episode was all about her being impatient and wanting to learn about forbidden magic immediately, take the tests, etc., with Qifrey trying to remind her to slow down. Qifrey's only known this kid for a couple days, while Agott has been his apprentice much longer.
アゴットが関与してるのは明らかだよな。ココが彼女の靴を履いてるって点からも察しがつく。でも俺が言いたいのは、キーフレイはココ自身がやりたがったと思ってるってこと。彼がアゴットが文字通り窓から突き落としたと疑うとは思えない。 編集:前回のエピソードでのココの描写は、全て彼女の性急さと禁術をすぐに学びたがる態度に焦点が当たってた。キーフレイは彼女にペースを落とせと諭してたのに。キーフレイがココと知り合ってまだ数日なのに対し、アゴットはずっと長い間彼の弟子だったんだ。考察くん+6
namewithak
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The flying scene was adapted more beautifully than I could have imagined. Interspersing Coco flying with memories of her mom, really emphasizing why she's so determined to do this, got me. I was tearing up during that whole sequence. The animation, the music, and especially Coco's VA hit it out of the park there. Tetia was so loveable this episode too. Her concern for Coco and how warm she is towards her is wonderful to see. Especially in contrast to Agott's hostility and coldness. Every character has reasons for how they act, of course, but what Agott did was bad no matter how you slice it. The underwater city looked gorgeous. Alaira hooking Qifrey's cloak and calling him troublemaker was immediately endearing. The VA sounds familiar, kinda gruff and tough but warm. Reminds me a bit of Mereoleona in Black Clover. Or maybe like Yoruichi from Bleach. I hope that Qifrey gives Coco a proper welcome feast now. She deserves all the treats!
飛翔シーンが想像以上に美しすぎて草 ココが母親の記憶と重なる演出で、なんで彼女がこんなに頑張ってるのかがガチで伝わってきて泣いてもうたわ 作画も音楽も、特にココの声優が神ってた 今週のテティアはマジで可愛かったンゴ ココへの心配と優しさが最高やん アゴットの冷たさと対照的すぎる キャラの行動にはそれぞれ理由があるんやろうけど、アゴットのやったことはどう転んでもアカンやろ 水中都市の映像美ヤバかったな アライラがキーフリーのマント引っ掛けて「トラブルメーカー」呼ばわりしたの一瞬で好感度爆上がりや 声優どこかで聞いたことあるわ、黒執事のメレオレオナとかBLEACHの夜一さんっぽい感じ? キーフリーにはココにちゃんと歓迎のごちそう振る舞ってほしいンゴ あの子はご褒美もろてもええやろ!2ちゃん+9
HighlightSad1751
she went right to agott when she got back, so clearly agott sent her to the test. yet SHE gets scolded for taking the test that she was TOLD she needed to take by the person quifrey put in charger of her??? im sorry agott needs some accountability for nearly killing a civilian bc lets be real, agott sent her to die without giving her any tools to protect herself.
確かにアゴットが直接試験に行かせたんだよね。それなのに試験受けたってだけで怒られるの意味わからん。キーフリーが預けたアゴットが指示出したのにさ。つかアゴット、一般人を殺しかけた責任取るべきだろ。防具も何も与えず死にに行かせたようなもんじゃん。普通くん+8
Conspicor
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I think you're slightly overreacting. Is Agott an asshole? Sure. However, she didn't send Coco to her death. She clearly expected Coco to just give up and come back when she realized her shoes couldn't reach high enough. She didn't expect Coco to come up with a magic spell that would allow her to soar high enough to get the flower. >without giving her any tools to protect herself. This is blatantly untrue, lol. They can only take 3 tools, and she gave Coco the most essential tools: the water bubble, the flying shoes, and the magic compass. It's not like she sent her there without any ink. I repeat, Agott is an asshole, but I think presenting her as a murderer is a bit much.
アゴットがクズなのは間違いないけど、殺人犯扱いはちょっと過剰反応だと思う。 彼女はココを死なせるつもりで送り出したわけじゃない。靴の魔法で届かない高さだと気づいたら諦めて戻ってくるだろう、という想定だったはず。まさかココが自力で空を飛べる魔法を編み出して花を取ってくるとは思ってなかったんだよ。 > 「護身用の道具も与えずに」 これは明らかに間違い。持ち込み可能な道具は3つまでで、彼女は水の泡・飛行靴・魔法の羅針盤という最重要アイテムをちゃんと渡してる。インクすら持たせずに送り出したわけじゃない。 繰り返すけど、アゴットがクズなのは否定しない。でも殺人犯扱いは行き過ぎだ。考察くん+16
Fangzzz
Well I mean her preference was to send Coco without even the shoes so there wouldn't have been any danger at all unless Coco sets the forest on fire or something.
せやな、アガットは確かにクソやけどな。 靴すら履かせずにココを送り出そうとしてたってことは、ココが森燃やさない限り危険はゼロやったってことやろ。 ちょっと言い過ぎかもしれんけど、アガットのやり方はガチでエグいわ。2ちゃん+10
KrzyDankus
that witch at the end really going all according to keikaku
最後に出てきた魔女、完全に計画通りって感じだったな普通くん+7
littlehawn1
I'm calling it now, we are going to see so many atelier cosplays, that outfit is so cute and adorable.
マジで言うけど、これからめっちゃアトリエのコスプレ増えると思うんだけど!あの衣装かわいすぎじゃない!?やばくね!?ギャル+8
CooroSnowFox
Qifrey is so adorable as ever! If I was still cosplaying or could he'd be added to the list about 2 weeks ago.
キーフリー、相変わらず可愛すぎるね! もし俺がまだコスプレしてたら、2週間前にはリストに追加してたかもな。普通くん+7
taldirkao
Man, Qifrey completely fails as a supposed teacher and adult - doesn't even try to admonish Agott for her behavior, and Agott is an insufferable jealous idiot who risked Coco's life over nothing, the only one with some brains and heart was the pink haired girl.
このクィフェイ、指導者としても大人としても完全に失格だよな。アガットの行動を注意しようともしないし、アガットの方は理由もなくココの命を危険に晒すような嫉妬に狂ったバカだし。結局、ちゃんと頭も心もあるのはピンク髪の少女だけだったという考察ができる。考察くん+7
Guaymaster
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I don't think he knows the whole story yet, he probably arrived and Tetia told him Coco had left to take the test. Tetia herself didn't know the exact circumstances either, as Agott painted it rather as if Coco insisted despite her lack of knowledge, instead of her setting Coco to fail. I'm guessing he will inquire exactly what happened now, but first it was more important to make sure Coco was alright and warn her never to do something like that unsupervised again.
確かにそれはあるかも。キーフリーはまだ全貌を知らないと思う。たぶん着いた時にテティアから「ココが試験に行った」って聞いただけで、テティア自身もアゴットがココをわざと失敗させようとしたって事情までは知らされてないしね。アゴットは「知識不足なのにココが無理にやった」って感じで話を濁してそう。これから事情を聞くかもしれないけど、まずはココの安全確認と「次からは一人でやるな」って警告が優先だったんだろうな。普通くん+8
CooroSnowFox
I don't know whats to come... but I don't think he'd let something like this slide that easily, he knows who put her up especially as she wouldn't be quiet about her thoughts over Coco...
せやな…まだ先の展開はわからんけど、キーフリーが簡単に流すとは思えへんわ。誰がアガットを焚き付けたか、ココに対するアガットの態度考えれば察してるやろな…。2ちゃん+7
Insertarandomnamez
Coco pulled out the good old Da Vinci move
ココがまさかのダ・ヴィンチムーブかましたのヤバすぎるッ!!感情くん+7
Ponchorello7
Damn, Agott is a ***BITCH***.
アゴットまじでクソビッチやんwww2ちゃん+8
Magnafeana
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* You can fly! You can fly! * Not the Granny Scooter pose now 😭 * Oh hello Atlantis. * Brushbuddy is now in my bracket for cutest animal companion. * Okay, ***now*** she sounds less Scottish. * This animation for magic just feels ✨Ghibli✨ * Good lord, this is beautiful. * ORB * Parasaling! * So Agott just walks away and that’s it? *** I’m hopeful the bext episode, Qifrey will address Agott’s behavior. I’m ***veeeery*** sour on some fantasies I’ve been reading where the master lets their students hash it out and mainly scolds the MC. Qifrey’s not wrong to remind our girl not to do that. Her magic society-naïveté needs to be addressed and curbed. Just gonna wait for next episode to hopefully learn Agott was appropriately punished. But I loved Coco’s inventiveness with the sigil!! I really love magic systems where we get to see this part, the innovation, that doesn’t just break the system and it’s part of a system with, I’d say, soft rules. I want moaaarr! *Now* I’m starting to hear a less Scott accent from Teti. I’m not familiar with Danish accents, but people replied the EN VA is Danish, so I assume she’s basing the accent on that. Kinda curious how English or just British fans are receiving the accents 🤔 Brushbuddy needs plushies immediately :3
* 飛べるんだ!飛べるんだ! * グランマスクーターのポーズはやめてよ😭 * おお、こんにちはアトランティス。 * ブラッシュバディは俺の中で一番かわいい動物仲間になったわ。 * おっ、今の声はスコットランド訛りが薄れたな。 * この魔法の作画、ジブリ感あるな✨ * いやもう、美しすぎるだろ。 * オーブ! * パラセーリング! * アゴットがただ去って終わり? --- 次回、キーフレイがアゴットの行動をどう扱うか気になる。最近読んでるファンタジーで師匠が生徒同士で解決させて主人公だけ叱る展開にすごくモヤモヤしてるんだよね。キーフレイが主人公を止めたのは間違ってない。彼女の魔法社会に対する無知をちゃんと注意する必要がある。 次回でアゴットが適切に罰せられるのを期待してる。 でもココの印の独創性は大好き!!システムを壊さずに革新を見せてくれる魔法ルールは本当に好き。 もっと見たい! テティの訛りもスコットランド訛りが薄れてきた気がする。デンマーク訛りは詳しくないけど、声優がデンマーク人って聞いたからそれをベースにしてるのかな。 イギリス人ファンはこの訛りをどう思ってるのか気になる🤔 ブラッシュバディのぬいぐるみ、すぐに発売してほしい :3普通くん+9
zsmg
Witch Hat Atelier is reminding me how much I don't like cute girls do cute things anymore I find the character personalities and their interaction scratch on chalkboard annoying. Yes I'm aware WHA is not a CGDCT anime but the personality of Coco and the three other students feels like they got transplanted from a CGDCT anime.
ワイ、とんがり帽子のアトリエ見てて気付いてしもたわ。もう「かわいい女の子がかわいいことする」系のキャラに耐性ゼロやと。ココと他の3人の生徒、あの性格と掛け合いがマジで耳障りで草。WHAがCGDCTアニメちゃうのは分かってるンゴ、でもキャラのノリが完全にあっちの世界から移植された感あって無理やわ。2ちゃん+8
AlexxxandreS
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I hope, really hope that Coco and Agott won't become like best friends... Usually these tropes end with both of them becoming best friends after something happens or rivals/best friends, some cases enemies... But I feel like with the other two girls, making the one that hates her being the one that will be a best friend is just too tropey... Like, why not best friends with the thank you girl? Idk, anime only here so maybe won't be anything like what I said, but can't really like Agott now
ココとアゴットが仲良しになる展開はやめてほしいな… こういうのって大抵、何かあってから親友になったりライバル兼親友になったりするパターンだけど、正直ベタすぎるんだよね。 なんで「ありがとう」って言ってた子(参考: 他の二人のうちの一人)と親友にならないんだろう? アニメしか見てないから的外れかもだけど、今のところアゴットはあんまり好きになれないな。普通くん+8
Bradshaw98
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I mean, there is nothing wrong with tropes, they are just tools after all, it all depends in how they are used. I have to assume they will both humble Agott but also 'humanize' her and provide a sympathetic story so that we can accept them being best friends. Has it been done before? Yes, but then again everything has, the devil is int he details, anime only here as well but Agott seem clearly designed to be Coco's number one friend long term.
確かにテンプレート自体は悪くない、使い方が重要だよな。アゴットが謙虚になる展開と同時に、彼女を「人間らしく」描いて共感できるストーリーを提供して、ココと親友になるのを受け入れられるようにするんだろうな。 そういうのは過去にもあったけど、全ての作品に前例があるし、肝心なのは細部だよな。アニメしか見てないけど、アゴットは長期的にココの一番の友達になるように明確に設計されてると思う。考察くん+5
DrZoark
I'm too invested in this show, more than I should be. haha. Love the animation and the direction it is moving forward. I'm pretty sure these two would end up besties, lol.
このアニメにまじでハマりすぎてるんだけど笑! アニメーションもストーリーの進み方も最高じゃん!てかこの2人、絶対親友になるでしょ笑ギャル+8
zak55
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So this episode sold me even more on the series. The beautiful art and animation, the wonderfully fascinating world, the continuously creative use of it's magic system, and some solid character writing were a great mixture this episode... That being said...the ending really bothers me. Coco being the one reprimanded instead of Agott, who was the who tricked Coco into going to take the test whenever it was the most difficult time of the year for it, really bothered me. Coco was left in Agott's care and trusted Agott. Qifrey scolding Coco instead just leaves a bad tasted in the mouth, especially with Agott just walking off scott free. Also, Coco freaking completed her first test with no training and at the most difficult time of the year. And nobody acknowledged it! Her crowing as a true apprentice was completely divorced from her struggle in this episode. Just a wetfart of an ending to an otherwise 10/10 episode.
このエピソードでさらに作品にハマった。美しい作画とアニメーション、魅力的な世界観、魔法システムのクリエイティブな使い方、しっかりしたキャラクター描写 – どれを取っても素晴らしい融合だった。 ただ…ラストがすごく気になる。ココが叱られる展開、アガットが騙して年間で一番難しい時期に試験を受けさせたのに、そっちは咎められないのが納得いかない。ココはアガットに預けられて信頼してたのに、キーフリーがココだけ叱ってアガットは何もなし。しかもココ、初めての試験をノートレーニングで一番難しい時期に完走したのに誰も評価しない。真の見習いとしての認定も、このエピソードでの彼女の奮闘と完全に切り離されてて、10点満点のエピソードが最後だけ台無しになった感じ。考察くん+9
Insertarandomnamez
Coco pulled out the good old Da Vinci move
ココがダ・ヴィンチの古典的な手法をやってのけたね普通くん+8
ARES_GOD
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This episode was fantastic the best so far it got me a lot more interested into the series and characters especially Coco. She has the innocent obliviousness to her in a way reminds me of Gon. What she did during the test was insanely dangerous but she still did it because of how much she loves magic and her insane curiousity and refusal to give up. Also the emotional moments were so good seeing the flashback so well integrated with her Mom and Qifrey's words reminded me of how well Frieren uses flashbacks. Now Agott WTF are you doing ? and that mentality of hating people that cant do what she can do ??? Interesting character but damn I wanted to slap her I am really curious where they go with her. Seeing Coco problem solve was great and also still getting into her complex abbout not being special enough to use magic but then getting out of her own way and realizing she has her own skills and they can be applied here was great along with the flash back. And she becomes an airbender like Aang from Avatar haha. Agott storimg off after Coco succeeded lol and I am curiosus what Qifrey is gonna do when he finds out how this entire thing unfolded but he also gives Coco the outfit cute. The shady witch was watching all along and saying the seed has sprouted ??? I have a video review if anyone is interested. Thank You.
今週のエピソードガチで最高やったわ、シリーズで一番やろ。特にココにめっちゃ興味湧いたンゴ ゴンみたいな無邪気で天然な感じあるよな。試験中の行動は超危険やったけど、魔法への愛と好奇心、絶対諦めない姿勢でやったんやな。あと感動シーンも良かったわ。母親とのフラッシュバックとキーフリーの言葉の使い方が、フリーレンのフラッシュバック演出思い出させるわ Agottは何やってんねんマジで?「自分にできて他人にできない奴が嫌い」って思考ヤバすぎやろ。キャラとしては面白いけどマジでビンタしたくなったわ。今後どうなるか気になる ココの問題解決シーンは良かったし、「自分は特別じゃない」ってコンプレックス抱えてたのに、自分のスキルに気づいて活かす展開も良かったわ。しかもアバターのエアベンダーみたいになったし草 Agottはココが成功した後プイッと去ってったし笑。キーフリーがこの騒動を知った時の反応が気になるわ。でもココに可愛い服あげたのはグッジョブ 怪しい魔女がずっと監視してて「種が芽吹いた」って言ってたのヤバくない? 動画レビューもあるんで興味ある人どうぞ。サンキュー2ちゃん+6
Marbx
idk why but this episode feels like playing breath of the wild/tears of the kingdom 😭 the scene with coco creating a seal on the cloth and being rewarded for her creativity reminds me of those games!
確かに今回のエピソード、ブレワイ/ティアキンっぽい雰囲気あったわ😭 ココが布に印を作って創造性を評価されるシーン、まさにあのゲーム思い出すね!普通くん+7
2kenzhe
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LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO SHE DID IT!!! Never been so hyped before seeing a girl draw lines. If you can't use a new tool you're not used to well then just use something you are used to! Fr though to use magic and draw it doesn't need to be a pen she could use chalk or anything else is fine as long as she's using the special ink, right? Even drawing with a hand might be fine? though yeah no magic on body she almost went past the line again there. Beautiful episode really feels like a final with her mom helping her but no this is just the beginning! She got her outfit as well at the end so she's an official apprentice. The pointed hats are fine but man the brimmed hats for me just has more aura. I think if the regular good witches had those hats instead maybe there would be less bad ones cuz pointed hats just not as cool ngl.
草ァ!!!やったやんあの子!!!線引く女の子見てこんなにテンション上がることある?www 新しい道具が使いこなせないなら慣れたもん使えばええやんって話やな。魔法で描くならペンじゃなくてチョークでも何でもええんちゃう?専用インク使えば。手で描くのもアリやろ…でも身体に魔法はアカンからまた危ないとこやったな。 母親が助ける展開、最終回感あって美しすぎたわ。でもこれ序章やん!最後に衣装もらって正式な見習いになったし。 とんがり帽子も悪くないけどワイはつば広帽子の方がオーラあると思うンゴ。普通の良い魔女たちがあっちの帽子やったら悪い魔女減ったんちゃうかな。だってとんがり帽子ってなんかダサいしな。2ちゃん+6
charactergallery
原文
A beautiful episode that really captures what makes Coco a great protagonist to follow. Her strong determination and her ingenuity when it comes to magic, tackling the Dadah Range in a very unorthodox way. And the scenes of her mother guiding her, giving her the knowledge that Coco uses to succeed… gah that was such a nice touch. Her determination to get better at magic to save her mom is admirable, but it might get her in trouble down the line. Agott seemed surprised she actually succeeded (as opposed to what she expected, Coco seeing how daunting it was and not even attempted it once the sylph shoes got ruined). Now Qifrey and the girls have a new pet in brushbuddy, what an adorable little critter. I love him.
美しいエピソードだったな。ココが優れた主人公である所以がしっかり描かれていた。彼女の強い決意と、魔法に対する独創性——ダダー山脈に全く型破りな方法で挑む姿勢が印象的だ。母が彼女を導き、成功に必要な知識を与えるシーン…あれは本当に素晴らしい演出だった。 魔法の腕を磨いて母を救おうとする決意は称賛に値するが、それが後々トラブルを招く可能性も感じる。アガットはココが実際に成功したことに驚いていたようだ(シルフの靴が壊れた時点で、ココが困難を目の当たりにして挑戦すら諦めると思っていたのだろう)。 そしてキーフリーと少女たちに新たな仲間、ブラシバディが加わった。なんて愛らしい生き物だ。私は彼が大好きだ。考察くん+7
idkjay
agott is a bitchhhhhhhhhhh
アゴット、まじビッチすぎじゃね!?笑ギャル+7
AcanthaceaeSuch4391
原文
Now let me say I’m the biggest hater, I hate the way that you walk, the way that you talk, I hate the way that you dress, I hate the way that you sneak diss (hitting me with water), if I catch flight, it’s gon’ be direct, We (real witches) hate the magic you cast ‘cause they confuse themself with real magic, And notice, I said “we,” it’s not just me, I’m what the culture feelin’ (ft Easthies), How many more fairy tale stories ‘bout your life ‘til we had enough? How many more witch features ‘til you finally feel that you’re witch enough? \- Agott
あー、俺って最大級のアンチなんだよね。 歩き方も話し方も服装も全部ムカつくし、 こっそりディスってくるのも腹立つ(水かけられたし)。 もし仕返しするなら直接やるよ。 俺たち(本物の魔女)はお前の魔法が嫌いなんだ。 だって本物の魔法と混同しちゃうからね。 それに「俺たち」って言ったけど、俺だけじゃない。 これが文化の空気感ってやつさ(イースヒーズと共に)。 あと何回お前の人生のおとぎ話を聞けば飽きるんだ? あと何回魔女の特徴を出せば、ようやく自分が魔女だって認められるんだ? - アガット普通くん+8
Raknel
Peak Hat Atelier
とんがり帽子のアトリエ、ガチで最高やんwww2ちゃん+7
LinuxF4n
The flashback scenes with her mom made me tear up 😢 This anime is so beautiful
母親との回想シーンで泣いちゃったよ😢 このアニメ本当に美しいね普通くん+7
mucklaenthusiast
原文
Well, the main character is clearly, to quote one of the best sentences ever spoken about anime, "an overdog 'being unrecognised within the broken standards of a system'" (From PBS Ideal channel about OPM, which itself is a quote from a different channel, at the time called "digibro") That's just what happens. She seems to be quite powerful, right? She said you need some skill to use magic and damn was she flying. And we got the villain reveal! Well, one of them, for now. So they planned for this to happen. I wonder what's so special about the forbidden magic. There is surely more to it.
この主人公の描写、まさに「システムの歪んだ基準の中で認められない過剰実力者」ってやつだよな(PBS Idealのワンパンマン解説からの引用で、元はdigibroの言葉らしいけど)。 確かに彼女はかなり強い。魔法を使うには技術が必要って言ってたけど、あの飛行シーンはヤバかった。 そしてヴィランの正体も明らかに!少なくとも一人はな。彼らは最初からこの展開を計画してたんだ。禁断魔法に何か特別な秘密があるんだろうな。きっとまだ深い伏線があるはずだ。考察くん+8
BBryant3rd
It's bad enough that Agott forced Coco to do something that could have killed her. She didn't even acknowledge her for doing something that she technically shouldn't have been able to do.
アゴットがココに死ぬかもしれないことを強要したのもヤバいけど、本来できなかったはずのことを成し遂げたのに認めようとしないのもダメだな。普通くん+7
ohoni
This series is so damned *luxurious.* They use ten frames of animation where two would be fine, and 1/4 of one would be One Punch Man.
マジでこのアニメ、豪華すぎじゃん!?笑 2コマでいいところを10コマも使っちゃうとか贅沢すぎるし、ワンパンマンだったら1/4コマで済むのにね!やばくない?ギャル+8
HomelandrMilkDelivry
This episode really made me cry... the animation alone is so beautiful it's overwhelming, and then when Coco's mom's shadow was guiding her as she drew that magic circle... I was bawling. As I get older that sort of thing hits harder and harder, I just hope Coco figures out how to save her mom.
このエピソードは本当に涙が止まらなかった…まずアニメーションの美しさだけで圧倒されるのに、さらにココが魔法陣を描く時に母親の影が導いてくれたシーン…あれで完全に泣いた。歳を重ねるごとにこういう描写がより深く刺さるようになるんだよな。ココが母親を救う方法を見つけられることを願うばかりだ。考察くん+8
Galactus1701
I really loved the ending when she received her uniform while that beautiful song played in the background.
マジで最後の制服もらうシーンやばくない!?あの曲が流れてる時の感動やばすぎて泣いたわ〜!ギャル+8
SA090
原文
Fantastic follow up! And adding those flashbacks with her mother as her guide in this was just brilliant. I am a little intrigued though by how the “official” test to become an apprentice isn’t seemingly “official” at all? Anyone can tell someone to go and take it without someone officiating? Seems weird to me. Though in this particular case, it’s seemingly more to pass Agott’s test than anything actually official.
いい続編だね!母親のフラッシュバックをガイドとして使う演出も最高だった。 でもさ、弟子入りの「公式テスト」があまりにも公式じゃないのがちょっと気になるんだよね。誰でも誰かに「受けに行け」って言えるだけで、審査する人がいないって変じゃない? まあ今回の場合は、実は正式な試験っていうよりアガットの試練みたいなものなんだろうけど。普通くん+6
Shadowmist909
Coco's flying boat may have turned into a flying glider, but getting the flower and passing the test is what counts. I'm glad her creative plan worked out so well.
ココの飛行ボートがグライダーになっちゃったけど、花を取って試験に合格したんだからそれでいいじゃん!彼女のクリエイティブな作戦が完璧に決まって本当によかった~エモすぎるッ!感情くん+6
bunbun777
First I start crying, then Coco starts crying 😭.
まずワイが泣いて、そしたらココも泣き始めたンゴ😭 草生えるわwww2ちゃん+7
Rolder
Agott is kind of a piece of shit huh
あぐっとまじでクソじゃね!?笑ギャル+6
LienaSha
原文
Wtf sensei? Agott's a kid, so like.... Yes, that was wrong, but kids mess up, and you gotta teach them better. So he should 100% talk to HER like 'hey, explain what you thought you were doing and how you thought putting her in that situation NOW was equivalent to your test.' But instead going to CoCo like "oi, you know better." Like... no? She didn't? She did better in the places where she DID know better, but he left her in Agott's care, Agott told her "you have to do this now, and you can't try again," and she.... what, believed her? Sorry? Why is that her fault? Ugh. That was so infuriating.
先生マジかよ…アガットは子供だし、確かに間違いではあったけど、子供は失敗するもんだし、ちゃんと教えるべきだろ。だから先生はアガットに「お前はどういうつもりで、今あの状況に彼女を追い込むことが自分のテストと同じだと思ったんだ」って話すべきじゃない?なのにココに「お前はわかってるはずだ」って…いや、彼女はわかってなかったんだよ。わかってる部分ではちゃんとやってたのに、アガットに任されて「今やらなきゃダメ、やり直しはできない」って言われて…それを信じただけじゃん。なんでそれが彼女のせいなんだよ。もう腹立ったわ。普通くん+7
NanDemoKnaives
原文
I'm very dissatisfied with how that ended for Agott, yeah Coco proved herself, but Agott literally pushed her to go somewhere potentially dangerous to her life, ignoring her teacher's wishes and the fact that Coco who had no learned any magic and has only one chance to complete this test, she purposely made her go so that her only chance would result in failure. Does she only want people as despicable as her since she only wants people who can do the same things she can do?  I was hoping to see Qifrey have a word with her, and I'm hoping it happens next episode. I understand his first concern is Coco so I'll let how the episode ended slide.  I'm sure Agott will get some form of redemption arc in the future, but that left me infuriated. Thankfully Coco was able to use what her mother taught her and her own determination to get through it, I wish I could have enjoyed it more.
アゴットの件はマジで納得いかんわ。確かにココは実力示したけど、アゴットは師匠の意向無視して魔法すら使えねえココを危険な場所にわざと行かせたやん。試験のたった一度のチャンスを台無しにしようとしたってことやろ。自分と同じ汚い手段ができる人間しか認めたくないんか? キーフリーがアゴットに一言言うシーン期待してたんやけど、次回に持ち越しか。まあキーフリーがまずココを心配するのは当然やから、今週のラストは大目に見たるわ。 アゴットにはいずれ更生エピソード来るやろうけど、今回の展開はガチで腹立った。ココが母親から教わったことと自分の意思で切り抜けたのはせめてもの救いやけど、もっと素直に楽しみたかったンゴねぇ…2ちゃん+7
TheSeventhCoIumn
Some of those shots in the range were just absolutely stunning holy fuck
射撃シーンのいくつかがマジでヤバすぎて優勝ッ!マジで息を呑んだわ…感情くん+7
CooroSnowFox
We'll find out, but I think it's reminding Coco about her position and to be more careful when doing stuff involving magic.
確かに、ココに自分の立場を自覚させて、魔法を使う時はもっと慎重になれって警告してるんだろうね。普通くん+9
Fangzzz
Yeah, even if Agott is a jerk, Coco has to be responsible for her own use of magic, she can't rely on there never being anyone else to tempt her into doing something dangerous.
それな!アゴットがムカつくのは確かだけど、ココも自分の魔法の使い方に責任持たなきゃな。危ないことに誘う人がいないからって甘えられないし。感情くん+7
Glittering_Assist894
Final scene song anyone?
最後のシーンの曲、誰か分かる人いる?普通くん+5
Thor4269
Agott deserved some sort of punishment so I am hoping it comes next episode, but the fucking trope of "well they succeeded anyway so let's move on" is too common nowadays
確かにアゴットは罰を受けるべきだったし、次回に期待したいけど……「結局成功したからまあいいか」って展開、最近ありすぎだろッ!しんどい!感情くん+6
Trash_luck
Damn agott’s kind of an asshole here, making coco do the trial with little to no experience with magic and being all Scrooge-like with the “if she dies then that’s just getting rid of useless people”. Though I do have faith that just like Scrooge she would get development hopefully
アゴットはここでは結構クソだよね。ココに魔法の経験ほぼない状態で試練やらせて、「死んだら役立たずが減るだけ」ってドケチみたいな態度。でもスクルージみたいに成長してくれることを願ってるよ普通くん+6
LightswornMagi
原文
In the opening, we see Coco being presented with both a pointed and brimmed hat by different people with a set of scales behind them like they're being weighed. Seems to me like she's going to be split finding a middle position between the peaceful but stagnating status quo witches and the magical anarchist people. It seems like Qifrey has some kind of major personal grudge with the brimed hat people, but episode 3 also implies he's not particularly enthusiastic about the current state of witch society either. I wouldn't be surprised if Qifrey was friends with the brim hat at one point, but split with them after some kind of "step too far" event.
オープニングでココに三角帽子とつば広帽子が天秤と一緒に提示されてるの、めっちゃ気になるンゴ……平和だけど停滞しまくってる現状の魔女社会と、魔法アナーキストどもの間で板挟みになる展開か? ワイはそれアリやと思うわwww キーフレイ、どう見てもつば広帽子連中に個人的な恨み持ってるやん。でも第3話見る限り、現状の魔女社会にもあんまり賛成してなさそうやしな。かつてはつば広帽子と仲良かったけど、「やりすぎた」的な事件で決別したパターンやろ。ガチでありそう。2ちゃん+7
Sacreville
Finally got the time to watch this, and now I get it why it's been so hyped recently. Wonderful animation, intriguing stories, interesting characters. Also a cute animal companion now, lol. Feels satisfying that Coco put Agott in her place after what she did. It's just cruel to bully someone like that. I know that redemption arc is coming sooner or later but let me hate her for now..
やっと観る時間ができたんだけど、最近めっちゃ話題になってる理由がわかったわ。 作画も綺麗だし、ストーリーも面白いし、キャラも魅力的。動物の仲間も追加されたしね笑 アガットがやったことに対してココがきっちり仕返ししたのはスッキリしたわ。あんな風にいじめるのは単純に酷いもんね。いつかは更生するんだろうけど、今はまだ憎ませてくれ。普通くん+7
Isekai_Dreamer
"never do anything like that again" BRUH. you're talking to the wrong fucking person.
「もう二度とそんなことすんなよ」って… は?お前、相手間違えてるぞ。マジで誰に言ってると思ってんだよッ!感情くん+6
27eggs
I am hopelessly dependent on the brush bug. That thing truly is the critter of all time.
ブラシの虫に完全に依存してるわ。あれはまさに歴代最高の生き物だね。普通くん+7
AAA_BATT
eat shit Agott!
アゴットwwwマジでクソやんけ草2ちゃん+6
ptd163
原文
Oh no. Not the soft spoken dark skinned red head woman. I have a feeling people are going to go nuts over her. If I wasn't already sold on this show this episode would've done it. It might be my current favourite episode. She got railroaded into the test by Agott because she doesn't want Coco there. I knew she'd pull something like that after how cold she was last episode. And to tell Tetia that Coco did herself instead of being pushed into was extra slimy. Well Coco still managed to pass the test anyway so suck it Agott. She did everything herself. With her ingenuity, with her artistry, with her own magic as Qifrey as said in the premiere. You're stuck with her. I hope the hazing ritual doesn't go unpunished. Coco could've died from that. Shout out to Tetia. She seems to genuinely care about Coco and was worried her even though they just met. She seems like a good egg.
やばい、あの黒肌で赤毛の優しそうな女性か。みんな彼女に夢中になりそうだな。 このエピソードだけで完全にハマったわ。今のところ今期イチ好きな回かも。アガットがココを試験に無理やり参加させたのは、彼女を追い出したいからだよね。前回の冷たい態度から何かやると思ってた。しかもテティアに「ココが自分でやった」って言うのは余計に姑息だわ。 でもココは結局試験に合格したし、ざまあみろアガット。全部自分でやり遂げたんだ。創意工夫と芸術性、そしてキーフリーが言ってたように自分の魔法でね。もう彼女から逃げられないぞ。 あのイジメ行為が罰せられないといいけど。ココは死ぬ可能性もあったんだから。テティアには拍手。会ったばかりなのに本当にココを心配してた。いい子だな。普通くん+6
Muffin-zetta
check out agott uchiha over here
草ァ!アゴット・ウチハとか言うんかwww2ちゃん+5
PencilgonGiveIt2Ya
The seed has sprouted (≖ ͜ʖ≖)
種が芽吹いたな (≖ ͜ʖ≖)普通くん+5
Bitter-Pea-9102
Watched all three episodes today. I love everything so far. If the quality continues like this, it will easily be one of my favorites of all time
今日3話まとめて見たンゴ。今んとこ全部好きやわ。このクオリティ続くなら間違いなくワイの歴代ベスト入りやわwww2ちゃん+6
alluringkevia
Agott is a bitch
アゴットってマジでクソだな普通くん+6
Viktorv22
Am I crazy too say that some scenes are on par with Frieren, so many frames, polished, details? It was pure eye candy, the entire episode. Just wow.
ワイだけかもしれんけど、このアニメの一部シーンってフリーレン並みの作画クオリティやと思わん?全編通してフレーム数も細かいディティールもやばすぎて、まさに目の保養やったわ。マジで「ワオ」って声出たわwww2ちゃん+6
Nebresto
Aggot better be facing consequences for attempted negligent homicide.
アゴットは過失致死未遂の責任を取るべきだよな。普通くん+5
Embarrassed-Match-78
原文
This episode was gorgeous. Coco leaning on her tailoring skills to overcome the trial was great. She's going to break a lot of molds. I get the feeling that witch society is stagnating, and Coco being let in as an outsider without the rules being ingrained into her is playing into their hands. As for Agott her actions better not be handwaved, because what she did was just reckless, if not murderous. I'm hoping it's just a runtime issue and Agott faces repercussions.
草ァ!今回のエピソード神回すぎやろwww ココが仕立てスキル活かして試練乗り越えるの最高やん。 魔女社会ガチで停滞してる感じやな。ココみたいなルールに縛られない部外者が入ってきたら、むしろ向こうの思う壺なんちゃう? で、アゴットのアレは流石に擁護できんわ。 殺意ないにせよ無謀すぎやろ。尺の都合で流されないことを願うンゴ…2ちゃん+6
CooroSnowFox
Wish Anilist could count how many times you watch episodes within a series while it's airing other than just after the fact... (Horimiya would have 12+ for the 1st episode alone) I've watched WHA a few times in the past week.
Anilistで放送中のエピソードを何回見たかカウントしてくれたらいいのに…(ホリミヤは1話だけで12回以上は見たわ)。ここ一週間でWHA何回か見直したよ。普通くん+5
pandavova
cute fren is cute
かわいすぎるッ!フレンが尊い…優勝!感情くん+6
Lrekkk
I just wanna say that I've never been this excited and happy in watching an ongoing anime for a long time. I fucking love this show
このアニメをリアルタイムで追うのがこんなに楽しいのは久しぶりだよ。まじでこの作品大好き。普通くん+6
oneevilchicken
原文
I really hope agott doesn’t get off free for what she just did. She basically just tried to indirectly murder coco due to her own jealousy. She realizes it was at its most dangerous point and still tried it. That’s not hazing or simply trying to get her to fail out. On top that I found it hilarious when she said “I hate people who can’t do what I do”. Like child, the girl you’re saying you hate has already detonated a mini magical nuclear bomb basically. She can already do what you can do plus more.
アゴットが今回の一件で無罪放免になるのは絶対に許せへんわ。嫉妬でココを間接的に殺そうとしたようなもんやろ。一番危険な状態って分かっててそれやったんやから。ただのイジメとか落第させようってレベルじゃないやん。 つーか「自分と同じことができない奴が嫌い」ってセリフ草生えるわ。お前が嫌いって言ってるその子、もうミニ魔法核爆弾みたいなもん爆発させてるやん。お前よりできること多いしな。2ちゃん+5
IAmTheOldCrow
The scene composition is in the Frieren tier. That is hard to achieve. The entire season is already done; every episode will have the same delicacy of detail.
やばくね!?このシーン構成がもうフリーレンレベルじゃん!そんなのめっちゃ難しいのに。しかもシーズン全部もう完成してて、全話同じ繊細さなんだって!まじやばすぎでしょ!ギャル+5
Rdddss
fuck I dont know how long I will last before I just binge the manga I need to know more but the anime is so fucking peak that this is the best way to experience it
くそ、アニメが神すぎてマンガを一気読みしたくなるのをいつまで我慢できるか分からないよ。もっと知りたいけど、このアニメが最高の体験方法なんだよね。普通くん+5
Jeromethy
I wonder how long does the magic stay activated after completing the circle? Is there a set time or just it keeps going until you modify it or erase a part of it/stop it prematurely since she drew it on the cloak
この魔法陣、描き終えた後も効果が持続する時間について気になるな。設定された時間なのか、それともマントに描いたように修正したり一部を消したり強制停止するまで永続するのか。作中の描写を踏まえると、後者の可能性が高いと考察できる。考察くん+5
lady0819
原文
Art, visual, and soundtrack carry this anime. The animation is gorgeous, very fluid and high quality - I have too many praises for Bugsfilm. The narrative however hasn’t yet to convince me in the realm of believability, since the first episode. For an uber-secret society that makes the secrets such a great deal, it’s hard to believe the teacher / guardian leave literal CHILDREN - who know the big secrets- on their own, for more than a night. Worse, these kids know how to “administer” the supposedly selective exam to enter this super-secret society. Like where are the officials, where are the rules? If they want to keep these secrets so badly, why are the officials so relaxed that literal children can roam around with transportation door/magic unsupervised? It’ll be more believable if they age up these children to at least 15/16 - at least they know consequences and the burden of keeping the “magic”, so petty bullying can happen with actual consequences. Or, make the atelier / magic society way more restrictive and stringent on rules, if they accept literal children - like how Harry Potter did with Hogwarts. There has been no warnings or mentions of expulsion or punishment at all in this “atelier” or magic society. I would expect witches can also get memory-erased if they leak the secrets or misbehave. Which is why Qifrey’s behaviors this episode are hard to believe for me, he’s waayyy too lax for something this big happening, and seems to brush it off quickly going directly to “you’re a witch, Coco” With 3 episodes, it seems the story still confuses itself with wanting to treat magic as an art for the witches, which is a very creative and unique way to do, or magic as a secretly controlling power in the society. The story heavily leans more on the former while often forgets the latter, which creates a disjointed narrative that often confuses the viewers on the roles of magic in this world. I mean, I’m still confused, like for example with the almost zero explanation of the resulting impact of Coco’s mother crystallization(?) to the village or surrounding people. It’ll be way more believable if Qifrey just said one sentence that he created an invisible barrier to hide the effects from the visible eyes, or the Witches cleaning up the mess, or something. Many of these important plot holes are not yet addressed for the sake of Coco training and becoming a witch, which again emphasizes the “magic as an art” element. Ok, with all these rants, I just hope these plot points are addressed in subsequent episodes. Maybe the Author should’ve made the magic as solely a super-elitist art, and that would have fixed many of these inconsistencies (and better explain Agott’s behaviors). If the “ magic as a secret” part is not heavily explained in later episodes, it will continue to be a weakness in an otherwise unique and creative storytelling.
作画と音楽はガチで神やな。Bugsfilmの動きがエグいわ。でもストーリーは第1話から「え?」ってなる部分多いンゴ。超秘密組織なのにガキンチョに重要な秘密預けすぎやろ。しかも試験の管理まで子供に任せてるとか草。大人はどこ行ったんや。 せめて登場人物を15~16歳にすればリアリティ出たんちゃうか。それかハリポタみたいに規則ガチガチにすべき。キーフリーも「魔女だよココ」で終わらすの緩すぎやん。 魔法を「アート」として描くのか「社会を裏で支配する力」として描くのか、3話時点でまだブレてる気がするわ。ココの母が結晶化した影響についての説明もほぼ無いし。今後に期待したいけど、「秘密の魔法」要素をちゃんと説明しないと、せっかくの独創的な世界観が台無しになるで。2ちゃん+5
rotvyrn
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I won't say it's unrealistic for a kid to maliciously push another into a life threatening situation. But boy is it one of the hardest things to watch. Because she's a kid, I have to assume she'll have a redemption arc, but it's hard to imagine it feeling good - simply, again, 'realistic.' Thinking about other kind of early-bitter-rival-turned-ally characters though, this is probably one of the most intentionally malicious off the top of my head, outside of worlds where potential death is kind of a joke (say, a DBZ/KHR). Really puts more normal school bully characters into context though (say, a Jounouchi or a Bakugo). Even when I was a kid, I was more scared of this kind of dishonest trickery than the people who were just straight up bullies. Now that I'm older, the idea of intentionally endangering another kid like that sends chills up my spine.
子供が他人を命の危険に晒すように仕向けるって非現実的とは言わないけど、見ててめちゃくちゃキツいな。彼女が子供だからいつか更生するんだろうとは思うけど、それが気持ちよく感じられるとは思えない。単純に「リアル」すぎるんだよな。 他の初期の因縁キャラ→仲間パターンを考えると、命の危機がギャグみたいな世界(DBZやリボーンとか)を除けば、意図的に悪意があるタイプとしてはこれが一番じゃないか?普通の学校のいじめキャラ(城之内や爆豪とか)と比べると余計にそう思う。子供の頃からストレートないじめより、こういうずる賢い騙しの方が怖かったわ。大人になった今では、ああやって他の子供をわざと危険に晒すって発想自体が背筋凍る。普通くん+5
notilovepie20
The scenes of her mom guiding her hand when drawing the sigils made me tear up ngl T ^ T
やばくない!?お母さんが手取り足取り魔法陣描いてあげてるシーン、まじで泣けたんだけどT ^ Tギャル+5
Equivalent-Weather59
They've adapted roughly 1.5 to 2 chapters per episode thus far (aside from ep 1); you can make a rough estimate based on that (probably 4 one cour seasons to catch up to the manga).
今のところ1話あたりだいたい1.5〜2章分をアニメ化してるね(1話除く)。それを基準にすると、漫画に追いつくには4クールくらい必要そうな感じかな。普通くん+13
runevault
Does Tetia even know? Agott didn't admit she forced Coco to go and Tetia wasn't there to see it happen. Though frankly her and Qifrey both should be smart enough to realize Coco couldn't do it without help, and even if Agott only helped at Coco's request that's still fucked.
テティアは知っているのだろうか?アゴットがココに行けと強要したことを認めていなかったし、テティアはその場に立ち会っていなかった。だが正直、彼女もキーフレイも、ココが助けなしではできなかったことに気づくべきだし、たとえアゴットがココの頼みで手助けしただけだとしても、それは依然として問題だという考察ができる。考察くん+11
CooroSnowFox
Coco wouldn't know how to operate the window on her own... and qifrey would know that she doesn't know enough to even start It is on what were not seeing yet about qifrey and agott I think its more to remind coco that there are bigger dangers but given she did it... says something that maybe adds more to qifrey than agott... Agott also probably knew qifrey was fast tracking her as well
ココ一人じゃ窓の操作なんてできねーだろ…それにキーフリーもココが何も知らねーってわかってるやん キーフリーとアゴットの見えてない部分が鍵やな 「もっと大きな危険がある」ってココに気づかせるためだと思うけど…それでもやっちまったってことは、アゴットよりキーフリーに何かあるってことかもな アゴットも多分キーフリーが自分を早回しにしてるの知ってたンゴ2ちゃん+5
quietvictories
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At the time i think its a solid premise with cool worldbuilding foundation, making a promise of wonder and adventure People who read manga already know its a whole package of action, drama, intricate unraveling plot and character work supported by immaculate art direction. So they hyped premiere as much as they could. And, now with anime airing its shown to take material seriously, respectfully and at times even elevate certain scenes, so it amplifies all parties involved- people who just joined and people who waited it for a decade
この作品の土台はしっかりしてるし、世界観も魅力的で、冒険と驚きを約束してくれる感じだよね。 原作読んでる人は知ってると思うけど、アクション・ドラマ・緻密な展開・キャラ描写が全部揃ってて、それを神がかった作画が支えてるんだよ。だから原作勢がめちゃくちゃ盛り上げてたのも納得。で、アニメが始まったら素材を真剣に、敬意を持って扱ってて、時には特定のシーンをより良くしてるんだ。それで新規も10年待った古参も、みんなが楽しめてる感じがする。普通くん+7
jardex22
Wimsical fantasy that has a magic system that has a logic that the viewer can understand, plus an outsider protagonist that experiencing it all for the first time. Plus, they put extra effort into the dub by actually using regional accents, rather than the same dozen-ish VA's that's in every other series.
この作品は、視聴者にも理解可能な論理的な魔法体系を持った幻想的な物語であり、さらに全てを初めて体験する部外者の主人公がいる点が秀逸だ。加えて、吹き替え版では毎回同じような声優を使うのではなく、地域ごとの訛りを実際に取り入れるなど、特別な努力が感じられる。考察くん+5