+2730
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
Olruggio went from "Goddamit Qiffrey you adopted another one? I'm sending her back to the orphanage" to "Oh dear, you precious thing I'll be your papa too" real quick.
オルルジオの「チーフレイ、また拾ってきたのかよ。孤児院に送り返すぞ」から「あらまあ、かわいい子だね、俺もパパになるよ」への変わりようは早かったな。まあ、ああいうキャラはそうなるもんだよな。ドライおじ+864
maliwanag0712
Olruggio is the personification of r/dadswhodidnotwantpets except that the pet is Coco.
それな!Olruggioまじで「もう拾ってきたんか!?」から「あ、ちょっと待ってココ可愛すぎじゃね?」って完全にデレたよね笑 完全にパパ化してて草ギャル+527
JzanderN
Olruggio: "My husband brought in a new apprentice and I do not want her! We have enough apprenticies as it is and she's particularly surrounded by more trouble than I'd like to deal with! She better not come into my room!"
Olruggio later that very day: *leaves his door slightly open so she can come in again.*
ああ、Olruggioってまさにあの「飼いたくなかったのに結局甘やかす親父」だよな。最初は「もう弟子は十分だ」とか言いながら、結局ドアをちょっと開けて待ってるんだから。まあそういうもんだよな。ドライおじ+336
Frontier246
Every tsundere is weak against compliments.
確かに、ツンデレは褒められるのに弱いよね。普通くん+161
CitronClassic672
He thought his husband was finally settling down after they adopted the first three kids, but nope!
「まじそれな!最初の3人引き取ってやっと落ち着くかと思いきや、全然じゃん笑 てかオルルジオのツンデレっぷりがかわよすぎるんだけど!」ギャル+103
flybypost
And that brushbuddy too. He threw him away two times, a sure sign of affection!
それなw あのブラッシュバディもな、二回も捨ててるのに結局戻ってくるあたり、愛情の証拠だよな笑wwwおじ+191
FalseRatQueen
Good enrichment, brush buddies love to be tossed.
それな!ブラシバディって投げられるの好きだよね、まじで良いエンリッチメントじゃん!笑ギャル+114
Earlier-Today
And then leaves his door slightly open at the end.
He knows what he was doing.
ふっ…最後にわずかに扉を開けて去るとは。あの男、何もかもお見通しでござるな。武士+25
lordposedyon
This is the best explanation to the situation I looked for.
確かにそれだわ。Olruggioはまさに飼いたくなかったけど今ではメロメロな父親って感じだね。Cocoがペットってのがまたツボる。普通くん+38
metaaltheanimefan
I mean coco does come with a darn cute pet as a package deal with brushbuddy
確かに!Olruggioが最初は嫌そうにしてたのに今じゃCocoのことめっちゃ可愛がってるのまじでそれだわ笑 しかもCocoってBrushbuddyっていう超絶かわいいペット付きのセットじゃん?まじでお得すぎるでしょ!ギャル+29
garfe
Olruggio then: "YOU FUCKING DONKEY
Olruggio now: "Oh dear, Oh dear gorgeous"
それな。オルルジオの変わりようがすごいよね。「おいキーフリーまた拾ってきたのかよ!」から「おやおや、なんて素敵な子だ」って。普通くん+139
Hoboforeternity
In a span of an episode and less than a day in-universe
【返信】
1話分でこれかよ草
作中時間で1日も経ってねぇのにOlruggioの扱い変わりすぎやろwww2ちゃん+21
SmileyTheSmile
Pretty sure like an hour passed lol.
1時間くらいしか経ってない気がするなw普通くん+14
visual_overflow
Families with 3 kids be like... "eh fine, whats another one at this point" lmao
草、3人目ともなると「もう1人くらい増えても変わらんやろ」ってなるの分かるわwww
オルルジオも最初は「おいキフリー、また拾ってきたんか!施設に返すぞ!」って怒ってたのに、今じゃ「あらまあ…」って完全に親バカやん。ワイもそんな父親になりたいンゴ。2ちゃん+84
cyberscythe
they'll keep each other busy! Agott could use another playmate
確かに!子供同士で遊んでくれるのは助かるよね。アゴットにも新しい遊び相手が必要だし。普通くん+57
_yukiie_
\[wha spoiler\]>!Agott indeed loved her playmate!<
【返信先】
確かにアガットは遊び相手に夢中になりそうやな
【返信】
\[ネタバレ\]>!アガットガチで遊び相手気に入ってたンゴwww!<2ちゃん+14
HolyDragSwd2500
Anne Shirley vibe from this comment
「それな!まじでアン・シャーリー感あるよね笑
オルルジオ、最初は『また拾ってきたのかよ!』ってキレてたのに、今では完全に親バカ入ってるじゃん!かわよすぎる〜」ギャル+52
dagreenman18
Ah hell. The Responsible Parent came home. Though not even he is immune to the charms of “yet another stray my partner adopted”.
The magic continues to be as awe inspiring to us as it is to Coco and it’s one of the apdaptations greatest strengths
あーやべ、ちゃんとした親が帰ってきたか。でも彼でさえ「またパートナーが拾ってきた野良」の魅力には抗えないんだな。
魔法の描写はココと同じくらい俺たち読者にも圧倒的で、これこそがこのアニメ化の最大の強みの一つだと思う。普通くん+481
cyberscythe
> my partner
are they... *roommates?*
草ァ!「ルームメイト」ってかw
せやな、あの親父も結局は「また迷い猫かよ…」って言いながら受け入れてるやん。
でも「パートナー」って表現、ワイはもう完全にそういう意味にしか聞こえへんわwww2ちゃん+218
dagreenman18
Worse…
それ以上にひどいんだ…普通くん+117
JzanderN
They're fucking stupid?
ふざけた愚か者どもめ…この世の理をまるで理解しておらぬのだな。中二病+138
cyberscythe
isekai protagonists??
いせかい主人公たちよりひどいじゃん…普通くん+42
Plerti
Europeans!?
え、まじで!?ヨーロッパ勢じゃん!やばくね!?ギャル+13
Hartzilla2007
Drinking buddies?
飲み友達ってこと?普通くん+5
oops_i_made_a_typi
honestly having one live-in guy as the watcher seems awfully low security - seems very easy for that watcher to get grouped in with the people living there rather than staying true to their job, as we're seeing happen in action
確かにその指摘は興味深い。監視役が一人だけというのは、明らかにセキュリティ上の欠陥を抱えていると言える。監視役が住人たちと一体化してしまうリスクは、まさに今作中で描かれている通りの現象だ。これは制作陣が意図的に「監視と被監視の境界が曖昧になる」というテーマを表現している可能性が高い。一人の監視役が住人に同化することで、監視システムそのものが機能不全に陥るという構造的な皮肉が読み取れる。考察くん+64
an-academic-weeb
Thats the point. He is the guy who takes responsibility and the actual system can carry on as usual. They do not trust him to actually report, although it would be useful, but for him to actively step in if something happens otherwise he is ultra-screwed.
Mage society in this work is a dark fantasy tyranny with a nice paintcoat. As if the memory erasure was not making it obvious.
確かに。彼は責任を取るための存在で、実際のシステムは平常通り動くってことだね。報告は期待されてないけど、何かあったら彼が介入しないとヤバい立場なんだよ。
この作品の魔法社会って、暗黒ファンタジーの専制政治に綺麗なペンキ塗っただけだと思う。記憶消去がそれを明確にしてるしね。普通くん+76
CooroSnowFox
Imagine if we had ways to put the Magic between WHA and Frieren together... how tired would the elf be from having to draw how to make the perfect pancake recipes...
「WHAとフリーレンの魔法を合わせられたらな…エルフが完璧なパンケーキレシピを描くのにどれだけ疲れるんだろうな…」って想像しただけで笑えるw その発想エモすぎるし、しんどいけど優勝だわ!感情くん+113
ali94127
Now we got Sein in WHA playing yet another scruffy middle-aged man.
確かに、WHAのセインもまたボサボサの中高年男性役やってるね。普通くん+72
Huge-Dream6591
The funniest thing is that Olruggio is the same age as Qifrey so he's probably not more than like 30 at most. His work is just making him age twice as fast as everyone else in his generation.
せやな。オルルギオはキーフリーと同い年やからせいぜい30くらいなんやろな。仕事のせいで同世代の倍のスピードで老けてるだけやんwww2ちゃん+29
Western-Internal-751
I feel like a thousand years old elf would be preeeetty good at drawing magic. She’d get lost in her pen practice and suddenly 5 years went by but her fire magic circle is so perfectly drawn, it’s basically a nuke.
確かに。千年生きたエルフなら描く魔法めっちゃ上手そうだよね。ペンの練習に没頭して気づいたら5年経ってて、でも火の魔法陣が完璧すぎて実質核兵器になってそう。普通くん+32
Aliensinnoh
Drawn magic but you need mana to do it.
確かに!魔力消費の概念を組み合わせたらエルフは永遠に疲れそうでしんどすぎるッ!感情くん+5
Top-Society1540
Wow, didn't expect to meet the person that sparked Coco's love for magic but it was funny to see him flustered from Coco's kind words.
草www ココに魔法のきっかけ与えた本人が出てくるとは思わんかったわ
でもココの優しい言葉に照れてるの見て笑ったンゴw2ちゃん+446
Se7en_Sinner
Coco lost a mother but gained two dads.
確かに、ココは母を失いしが、新たに二人の父を得たのでござるな。武士+397
wcctnoam
Law of equivalent exchange.
なるほど、等価交換ってわけか。確かに母親を失ったけど、代わりに二人の父親を得たって見方もできるね。普通くん+215
cyberscythe
who set the exchange rate of 2 dads for 1 mom
それな!なんで2人のパパでママ1人と交換成立すんだよって話じゃん笑ギャル+121
Frontier246
Don't forget she lost her bio dad probably at a very young age.
確かに。実の父親も小さい頃に亡くしてるからな。でも今はいい父親たちに囲まれてるね。普通くん+64
cyberscythe
he'll be back with the milk, trust
せやな、実の父親は多分めっちゃ小さい頃に亡くしてるんやろな…
でも「牛乳買いに行く」ってパターンで戻ってくるって信じてるわw2ちゃん+48
This-is_CMGRI
This was the alternative solution to Gundam: The Witch from Mercury that we didn't know we need. And no, not Amuro and Char.
確かにw ココは母親失ったけど父親二人ゲットしたってわけか笑
水星の魔女の別ルートみたいだなw アムロとシャアじゃねえし草wwwおじ+18
WhoiusBarrel
Fully expecting him to be another mentor figure to Coco at least, that rejection basically set Olruggio up for it.
確かに!オルルジオが完全にそのポジションを奪い取った感じだよね。あの拒絶シーン、しんどかったけど面白すぎたッ!感情くん+121
Zemahem
We could reach a point where he's teaching Coco more than Qifrey and I expect he'll still deny being called a mentor.
確かに、いずれ我が手でココにキーフリー以上の教えを授ける時が来るやもしれぬ。だが奴は、師と呼ばれることを生涯否定し続けるのだろうな。中二病+113
AceSoldia
I'm not your Master, b-baka!!
「師匠じゃないって言ってるだろ、ばーか!!」ってなる未来しか見えない(泣)エモすぎるッ!感情くん+106
Frontier246
At least he would teach her without any kind of intention of using her to hunt down the Brimmed Caps.
確かに、少なくとも彼はココを利用してブリムドキャップを追うつもりはなさそうだし、それだけでも十分だよね。普通くん+50
Frontier246
They say don't meet your heroes...unless you start off on a bad foot but then win them over by being the most charming, magic-loving, girl of all time and your biggest fangirl.
I mean, who could have the heart to turn that girl in to be mindwiped? Other than maybe Agott a few episodes ago.
「英雄には会うな」って言葉があるけど…ココは逆に、最初こそ足を滑らせたものの、最終的にはあの底抜けに明るい魔法愛と最強のファン心で師匠を魅了しちゃったわけだ。
つまり、あの少女を報告して記憶消去させるなんて、誰にできる?──数話前のアガットならともかくな。考察くん+77
AceSoldia
Agott I feel will still do it if it means she can study in peace 🤣
確かに、アガットなら静かに勉強できるならやりそうだよね🤣普通くん+33
JzanderN
原文
> Wow, didn't expect to meet the person that sparked Coco's love for magic
I think the more shocking thing for me is how little the spell has to do with who he is now.
But in a weird way I think it makes sense. It's not like his entire life has always revolved around his current job, even if it's the only work he's ever done.
I feel like he once had a similar love for magic that Coco did but lost it to life (happens to the best of us) and seeing her express her love for his spell specifically reminded him of it.
なるほど、確かにココに魔法への興味を植え付けた張本人が彼だったというのは意外だよな。でも、個人的にもっと衝撃的だったのは、あの魔法が今の彼の人物像とほとんど結びついていない点だ。
ただ、奇妙な見方をすれば、それも理にかなっているとも思う。彼の人生がずっと現在の仕事だけを中心に回っていたわけではないだろう。たとえそれが彼の唯一の仕事だったとしても。
彼もかつてはココと同じように魔法への純粋な愛情を持っていたが、生活に埋もれて失ってしまったんだろう(誰にでも起こり得ることだ)。そして、ココが特に彼の魔法に対して愛情を示す姿を見て、それを思い出したのではないかという考察ができる。考察くん+52
NanDemoKnaives
He piqued more of my interest when he acted like a tsundere lol. I'm sure he's going to be fun to watch when interacting with Coco.
確かに、ツンデレっぽい態度が逆に気になる存在になったよね。ココとの掛け合いが楽しみだわ。普通くん+32
BoomSaysTheLady
It's likely Coco's childhood memories are not as accurate to reality - the cobblestones that light up have that magic circle mechanism that Olruggio showed in this episode. It's likely baby Coco remembered that only her path lit up because of what her mom told her - when actually anyone who was stepping on the stones would trigger the magic.
このココアの幼少期の記憶、実は現実とはズレがある可能性が高いな。今週オルルジオが見せた灯る石畳の魔法陣の仕組みを考えると、幼いココアは母親に言われたことで「自分の歩いた道だけ光った」と記憶してるんだろう。実際は誰でも踏めば発動する仕掛けだったと考察できる。考察くん+12
ScarRufus
Why the men in this series are so pretty.
I am sure there is an entire fanbase for Qifrey x Olruggio ship
このシリーズの男ども、なんでこんなにイケメンなんやwww
キーフレイ×オルルジオのカップリング、ガチでファン多いやろな2ちゃん+310
blueechoes
They've been friends for what must be like 20 years, avoiding the ship is a fool's errand.
確かに!20年近く友達やっててケミストリーありまくりじゃん。このカップリング避けるなんて無理ゲーすぎるッ!エモい。感情くん+185
Falsus
And you ain't wrong, and it is both big and active.
それガチで正解じゃん!しかもめっちゃデカくて活発なファンダムだよ笑ギャル+111
lluNhpelA
Well, Olruggio did seemingly have the rings for drying people off ready to go by his bed despite apparently normally keeping them in a bowl and we know of one person that just got rained on but hates being wet. It's all there for those with the eyes to see lol
それな。オルルジオが普段はボウルに置いてるはずの人乾かし用の指輪をベッドのそばに準備してたって描写、雨に濡れたけど濡れるの嫌いな人が一人いるって考えると全部つながるよね。そういう目で見ると色々見えてくるわw普通くん+57
Atario
He had just finished drying off the brushbuddy when Coco came in, though
【返信元】
オルルジオが普段は別の場所にしまってるはずの乾かす指輪をベッドの近くに用意してたって話か
【返信】
ココが入ってきた時、ちょうどブラシバディを乾かし終わったとこやったんやろな2ちゃん+12
kunta021
OMG you’re right!
あ、確かに!言われてみればそうだね。普通くん+11
CopyFew4583
I noticed this too and immediately realized for who it was designed.
せやな、ワイも気づいたンゴ。あれ絶対誰か特定の人のために用意してたやろwww 草2ちゃん+11
Prof_Acorn
原文
I never thought of them as pretty. But I look like Olruggio (or I did when I had hair, plus my beard is now longer to compensate for the less on the top) but i have the personality and profession of Qifrey almost exactly sans the magic. It's like looking at myself 20 years ago when I had a goatee, but someone switched my personality with the other dude.
I hope neither of them end up becoming antagonists or doing any creepy shit, because I've been self inserting hard, and not entirely on purpose.
確かにキーファイ×オルルジオのカップリングは人気ありそうだよね。
でも俺は彼らを「綺麗」とは思ったことなかったな。見た目はオルルジオに似てる(髪があった頃はね。今は頭頂部が寂しくなった分、髭を伸ばしてる)けど、性格と職業は魔法以外ほぼキーファイそのものなんだ。20年前の自分を見てるみたいで、誰かが俺の性格を別のやつと入れ替えた感じ。
どっちも敵役になったり気持ち悪いことしないでほしいな。なんか無意識に自己投影しまくってるから。普通くん+19
Charming-Loquat3702
What, why would we ship the guy with rings that form a drying spell who lives together with the guy who doesn't like being wet. That would be insane
え、なにそれ!?乾燥魔法のリング持ってるやつと、濡れるのが嫌いなやつが一緒に住んでるからって、その二人をくっつけるってマジでヤバくね笑ギャル+13
Anaguli417
I never found beards on young characters in anime to be particularly good but Olruggio broke that expectation.
せやな、若キャラのヒゲってあんま良くないと思っとったけど、オルルジオはその期待ぶち壊しやったわ。草2ちゃん+10
birdintheazure
You got it right, they are one of the two most popular ships in the fanbase haha
それな!まじでこの二人、ファンの間じゃトップクラスの人気カップルだよね笑ギャル+8
El_grandepadre
Surely there's nothing to it that the friend of the guy who hates getting wet has a spell for drying your clothes and hair.
確かに、濡れるの嫌がる奴の友達が服と髪を乾かす魔法持ってるのは偶然じゃないよね。普通くん+8
AceSoldia
Oh no. The watchful eye is hot. And has already fallen for Coco's innocent charms. 🤣
え、やば!?見張りの目イケメンじゃん!しかももうココの無邪気な魅力に落ちてるし笑 まじウケるんだけど!ギャル+310
Frontier246
Yuichi Nakamura + dark bearded older adult character = winner.
It also makes for an effective contrast with Coco.
確かに。中村悠一+髭面の年上キャラは鉄板だね。ココとの対比も効いてて良い感じ。普通くん+111
lordposedyon
My first impression was "fuck Gojo is angry because the original Gojo is in the spotlight" but then again as the end of the episode "this is a good guy".
同意。最初「Gojo怒ってるやんw元祖Gojoが主役やから嫉妬か?」って思ったけど、最終的に「こいつ良いやつやん」ってなったわ。2ちゃん+44
metaaltheanimefan
Lets not forget that this guy has black hair and seems to have strange tension with said original gojo
These two seem to be getoxgojo but og
この奴は黒髪で、件のオリジナル五条と妙な緊張感があるってのを忘れちゃいけないな。この二人、ゲト五条っぽいよね。普通くん+5
CitronClassic672
This mangaka has gone 2/2 on hot dude designs. Qifrey and Olruggio have very different aesthetics but Botha re hot as hell. Some of the shots of Olruggio with the just the cloth shirt on had me going “God Damn!”
同意。この作者、2度連続で魅力的な男性キャラデザに成功してるな。キーフリーとオルルジオは美の方向性こそ違うけど、両方とも圧倒的な魅力がある。特にオルルジオが薄手のシャツだけの衣装で登場するカットは「うわっ…!」ってなるよな。キャラクターデザインの意図が明確で、視覚的な魅力を計算して描いてるのが伝わる。考察くん+95
finnjakefionnacake
i appreciate them aesthetically / their designs are peak but for me personally i need a little more meat on the bones lol
確かにデザイン自体は最高だと思うけど、俺的にはもう少し肉感が欲しいかな笑普通くん+7
namewithak
That scraggly beard looks awful. It looks exactly the same in the manga though lol.
あのボサボサ髭ヤバすぎやろwww 原作でもそのまんまやけどなwww2ちゃん+41
Accurate_Treat6360
Qifrey : Meet my new apprentice.
Olruggio : We are not getting you another apprentice.
Coco : Master Olruggio's spell spark my love for magic.
Olruggio : Alright fine.
Qifrey「俺の新しい弟子だ」
Olruggio「弟子をまた増やすつもりはない」
Coco「オルルジオ先生の魔法が私を魔法に夢中にさせたんです」
Olruggio「…仕方ないな」
このやりとり、めっちゃオルルジオの性格出てて好きw普通くん+264
Frontier246
Coco: "I'm also your biggest fan!"
Olruggio: "Hmph. Not like that matters to me. So...how's your magic lessons coming?"
やばくね!?ココちゃんがオルルジオに「大ファンです!」って言ってるんだけど笑 オルルジオ照れてるじゃん!「ふん、そんなの関係ないし」って言いながら「で、魔法の調子はどうだ?」って気にしてるのまじかわよすぎる〜!ギャル+124
HolyDragSwd2500
Tsundere is showing
「ツンデレがバレバレすぎるッ!照れてるの隠せてないよOlruggio!優勝」感情くん+43
VoidRay728
I'm sure there's a lore reason for this, but given that, as we saw with Agott, drawing spells require drawing near-perfect circles, it's interesting that the compass (the tool in geometry used to draw circles) doesn't seem to exist in this world, and witches don't carry round objects with them to trace out circles either.
確かにこれには世界観的な理由があるんだろうけど、アゴットの話で分かるように呪文を描くにはほぼ完璧な円が必要なのに、この世界にはコンパスが存在しないっぽいのが興味深いよね。魔女たちも円をなぞるための道具を持ち歩いてないし。普通くん+254
JWL2012
I figure it's like giving a calculator to a math student. If your compass breaks and you can't draw on your own then your magic would be useless. That's my head canon at least
確かに!それって数学の生徒に電卓渡すのと同じじゃん?コンパス壊れたら自分で描けなくて魔法使えなくなるってわけね。私の頭の中設定だけどさ笑ギャル+318
GrumpySatan
原文
We also saw with her Pyreball training, you have to be flexible to the situation. The size of your circle, the length of the sigils, their placement, etc all goes into how the spell works. And every situation involves changing those features. There will probably even be times you probably want to have an uneven circle.
It all works together. If you become reliant on a tool then it won't just affect you in urgent situations, but every spell you cast. Because the circle must be proportionate to the sigils and overall design.
確かに。彼女のパイアボールの訓練を見てもわかる通り、状況に応じた柔軟性が求められるんだよな。円の大きさ、刻印の長さ、配置など、すべてが呪文の効果に影響する。そして状況ごとにそれらを変えていく必要がある。場合によっては、あえて不均等な円を描く場面もあるかもしれない。
すべては連動している。道具に依存してしまうと、緊急時だけでなく、すべての呪文に悪影響が出る。なぜなら円は刻印や全体の設計と比例していなければならないからだ。考察くん+143
oops_i_made_a_typi
but like, a spike and a string would do the same job lol. it's like instead of designing a way to reduce error, we're just gonna rely on telling ppl to stop making mistakes
確かに、トゲと紐でも同じことできるのにな笑。ミスを減らす仕組みを考えるんじゃなくて、「ミスするな」って言うだけって感じだよね。普通くん+10
goffer54
The pyreball training just emphasizes why tools would be standard for any spell. The pyreball she cast required specific ratios to get the size of the fire right and the amount of levitation. Human eyes are pretty bad at estimating precise measurments.
あのパイアボールの訓練、まさに魔法道具が標準装備される理由を明確にしてるよな。彼女が放ったパイアボールは、炎の大きさと浮遊量を正確な比率で調整する必要があった。人間の目で精密な測定を推定するのはかなり難しいってのがよく分かる。考察くん+6
rondosparks
Yeah basically. Its like typing without looking at your keys. You want to be able to do it perfectly like its second nature. So its more just about practicing so you can do stuff quickly on the fly. Also it might look weird to other witches if you bring a protractor out every time you want to do a spell.
確かに。タイピングでキーを見ないで打つのと同じで、完璧にできるようになりたいってことだよね。練習して咄嗟にできるようにするのが大事。それに、魔法を使うたびに分度器を取り出してたら他の魔女に変に思われるしな。普通くん+102
2ndComingOfAugustus
Also the magic world is quite conservative. I would be surprised if some brimmed caps used a compass (or a stamp for that matter)
確かに!魔法界は保守的すぎるからな。つば付き帽子の連中がコンパス(ついでにスタンプも)使ってたらビックリだわ。感情くん+5
ali94127
A compass appears in the opening. It would appear witches don't use them in everyday life, but they may use them for more precise or repetitive tasks like contraptions for products like the glowstones. A compass would be pretty necessary to create uniform-size seals.
同意。オープニングにコンパスが映るのは、魔女たちが普段使いしないだけで、グローストーンのような製品用の装置を作る際、精度や反復作業が必要な場面では活用している可能性が高い。均一なサイズの印を描くにはコンパスは必須だという考察ができる。考察くん+208
El_grandepadre
Wouldn't be surprised if that Great Hall has a production facility for magical tools where they use a compass to mass produce certain contraptions.
A few dudes draw circles 8 hours a day and the rest draw the details.
確かに大広間に魔法道具の製造施設があって、方位磁石で量産してる可能性はありそうだね。
何人かは一日中円を描いて、残りが細部を描く感じか。普通くん+22
flybypost
It looked like Agott was also practising drawing the spell with her eyes closed for the next test. Maybe they need to be able to draw spells in the dark and/or under adverse circumstances (she also used the loud noise from the storm for practice)?
アゴットが次のテストに向けて目閉じて魔法陣描く練習してたっぽいな。暗闇とか悪条件下でも描けるようにしとけってことか?嵐の騒音も練習に使ってたしな。せやな。2ちゃん+77
escape_planet_dirt
Took me a second to realize it was a light spell and connect the dots on why their eyes were closed
確かに、ライトの魔法だって気づくまでちょっと時間かかったわ。目を閉じてる理由もようやく繋がったね。普通くん+36
razzy1319
They hide it from people so they need to be able to draw it in the dark or maybe under their robes
確かに!アゴットも目閉じて練習してたっぽいじゃん!暗闇とかローブの中で描けるようにってことかもね〜やばくね!?ギャル+12
flybypost
> maybe under their robes
That's a nice idea for stealthy spells casting. Like kids who type on their phones under the school desk without looking.
「ローブの下で」ってのは確かに隠密呪文の発動にいいアイデアだね。学校の机の下でスマホを打つ子供みたいで笑える。普通くん+9
JzanderN
原文
Using something like a compass would be good for cheating out a perfect circle of that size, but if you actually want to become a great witch then you have to be able to learn how to do it yourself.
There will be times when you need bigger circles than a compass can grant you. And there will be times when you're drawing on the fly and won't have a good surface to use a compass on, or maybe won't even have a compass on you but need to draw magic.
For those situations, it's far better to keep practicing until it comes naturally to you.
同意。コンパスなどの道具を使えば確かにそのサイズの完全な円を描くのは簡単だが、真に偉大な魔女を目指すなら自力で習得すべきだという考察ができる。
なぜなら、コンパスでは対応できない大きな円を描く場面や、不整地で即興で描く状況、そもそもコンパスを持っていないが魔法を使わねばならない場面が必ず訪れるからだ。そうした状況を踏まえると、体が覚えるまで練習を重ねる方が長期的には合理的だと言える。考察くん+82
RedRocket4000
Correct they are already drawing spells in a combat environment you have paper in one hand and pen in the other how does one even use a compass with their hand held paper holder with any speed?
確かに、戦闘中に片手で紙とペン持ってる状態でコンパス使うのは現実的じゃないよね。普通くん+10
kd5499
Yea, especially if Qifrey was a mechanic, he should have some knowledge of precision tools that should be helpful to draw faster. I'm all for the apprentices learning to do magic by hand, but its not like we expect a university student or a working professional to not use a tool to get the answer.
せやな、特にキーフリーが整備士出身なら精密工具の知識もあるやろし、描くの早くなるはずやん。弟子たちが手描きで魔法覚えるのはええけど、大学生や社会人が計算に電卓使うなとは言わんやろ。2ちゃん+22
RedRocket4000
Yes but here being able to do a spell very fast requires one to not use a compass as pulling one out placing it over the surface an additional step and maybe also make it harder to actually draw fast.
University students and working professional are not in situations speed is as critical.
確かにでも、呪文を高速で唱えるにはコンパスを使わない方がいいんだよね。取り出して置いて、って工程が増えると速く描くのが難しくなるし。
学生やプロはそんなにスピードが重要じゃない場面にいるしね。普通くん+17
cyberscythe
原文
i figured that the circle itself was not the hardest part of drawing a sigil, it's just the finishing move to close the circle to activate the spell
like, drawing some shitty radicals in the center and enclosing that with a perfect circle would cause problems
also, i don't think it's established that you need to draw a perfect circle to have a perfect spell; it could be that you want some eccentricity to the circle which would be difficult to capture, similar to how manga artists don't draw everyone's head as a perfect circle
確かに、魔法陣の描画で最も重要なのは円そのものではなく、それを閉じる「仕上げの動作」にあるという考察は興味深い。つまり、中心に適当な記号を描いてから完全な円で囲もうとすると問題が生じる、という点は納得できる。
また、完璧な魔法を発動するのに必ずしも完全な円が必要とは限らないという指摘も的を射ている。むしろ、漫画のキャラクターの頭部を完全な円で描かないように、円に微妙な歪みを持たせることで特定の効果を得られる可能性がある。この「意図的な歪み」こそが、高度な魔法使いの技術なのかもしれないな。考察くん+7
Tanyan-nightchord
They probably exist, but they are only used for spells that require extreme precision. Same reason artists don't use rulers and compasses for every drawing. What would make more sense to me would be a kind of stamp for quick application.
確かに、そういうのは存在するかもしれないけど、超精密な魔法にしか使われないんだろうね。アーティストが定規やコンパスを毎回使わないのと同じで。個人的には、素早く適用できるスタンプみたいなのがもっと理にかなってると思う。普通くん+8
lordposedyon
Holy shit, I never realized I didn't use the word for that tool in English at all in my life. Seeing it being compass felt actually weird.
草、マジで言われて気づいたわ
ワイ一生「あの道具」って英語で言ったことなかったンゴwww
コンパスって呼ぶの見て逆に違和感あったわ2ちゃん+6
WiqidBritt
It's better to rely on as few tools as possible for drawing spells. Especially when you don't want the general public to find out that spells are just specific circular designs. Humans are fully capable of drawing perfect circles free handed and blindfolded with enough practice. No sense in leaning on a crutch when you're going to need to be able to do it without one anyway.
確かに、描く魔法はできるだけ道具に頼らない方がいいよね。特に一般人に魔法がただの円形デザインだってバレたくないし。人間は練習すれば目隠しでも完璧な円をフリーハンドで描けるようになるし、結局は道具なしでもできるようにならないといけないからね。普通くん+6
Android19samus
原文
learning to do it without a compass would be faster and more reliable, so it makes sense why apprentices don't want to train with them too long. Maybe they're used as like training wheels when someone first starts out, but Coco is too old for it even though she's a novice.
Now I *don't* know why they don't just use stamps. For the ring, at the very least, if not for full common seals as well. Maybe the ink on the stamp would just... activate immediately, even for an empty ring? Could probably have one with just a little gap though. Also not something you'd want apprentices to rely on too much, since there's a lot of versatility in being able to make seals of any size, but you'd think they would have one for their little compacts. Maybe it's just wasteful in terms of ink, idk.
それな。コンパスなしで描けるようになる方が早くて確実ってのはワイも思うわ。初心者用の補助輪みたいなもんやろな。でもココは初心者でも年齢的にアレやからな。
んでスタンプ使わない理由がようわからん。リングだけでも使えそうやん。インクが即発動しちゃうとか?リング自体は空でも。隙間開けたやつなら作れそうやけどな。
まあスタンプ頼りすぎるのもアカンわ。サイズ自在に描ける方が汎用性高いし。でも携帯用のやつくらいあってもええやろ。インクの無駄遣いになるってだけかもしれんけど。2ちゃん+6
JzanderN
In the Dadah Range test? There was nowhere to properly use them! Especially since she was trying to draw a circle on shoes (not the best surface) and even if she could have, the shoes very specifically couldn't reach the top of the range so it wouldn't have been helpful anyway.
ダダー山脈での試験の話だよな?あの状況では魔術を適切に使える場所がなかったんだ。特に彼女は靴に線を描こうとしていたわけで(最適な表面とは言えない)、仮に描けたとしても、靴では山脈の頂上に届かなかったから、結局役に立たなかったという考察ができる。考察くん+14
bonchen
Watchful Eye Olruggio? More like Watchless Eye lol
Watchful Eye Olruggio?どっちかって言うとWatchless Eyeだな笑普通くん+237
Fifi_is_awesome
I’ve seen the comparison before that letting Olruggio be Quifreys watchful eye is like having friends grade each others tests lmao, very accurate
それな!「オルルジョがキーフリーを見張る目」って言うけど、友達同士でテスト採点させるのと同じじゃんってマジで笑ったww 超的確~!ギャル+267
oops_i_made_a_typi
yeah especially if they've been friends for ages. the whole setup seems ripe for failure even if they didn't already have a previous connection, given that the watchful eye looks like they live there and would be otherwise isolated except for the community they're watching over. it's only natural to bond with the people there and get swayed to their side
確かに。特に長年の友達同士だとね。監視の目って現地に住み込んで孤立しがちだし、元々の繋がりがなくても失敗しやすい仕組みだと思う。コミュニティと仲良くなって味方になっちゃうのは自然な流れだよね。普通くん+76
Elvenoob
Ah yes, friends, that's definitely what they were
あーそれな!友達ね、まじでそういうことにしとこう笑ギャル+20
CooroSnowFox
Blinkered Eye...
「目が節穴のオルルジオ」ってことかwww 草生えるンゴ2ちゃん+26
thelightlovekindled
原文
I love how Olruggio decides not to close the door all the way despite complaining minutes before that it emboldened Coco to come in even with the ominous sign.
Considering Tetia, Nolnoa, and Alaira all knew about Coco, though -- it's not like Qifrey kept her a secret, so why is Olruggio so out of the loop? and since witch society is clearly full of gossips, shouldn't the knights moralis know about her anyway?
I think there's something sweet about Olruggio being the one to build Coco's love of magic, and now he's part of her realizing that dream (even if she's on thin ice with him).
さっきまで「あれじゃココが入ってきちゃう」って文句言ってたのに、結局オルルジオがドアを完全に閉めなかったのはいいよね。
確かに、テティアやノルノア、アライラはココのことを知ってたわけで、キーフリーが隠してたわけじゃないなら、なんでオルルジオだけ蚊帳の外なんだろう?しかも魔女社会って噂好きだらけじゃん、モラリス騎士団だって知っててもおかしくないはずだし。
オルルジオがココに魔法への愛情を植え付けた張本人で、今度はその夢を叶える手助けをしてるってのがなんかいいよね(ココは彼にかなり睨まれてるけど)。普通くん+237
Frontier246
Imagine for the past five episodes he'd just been in that room the whole time lol.
Coco did not knock so she followed the rules to a T!
「想像してみてよ、過去5話ずっとあの部屋にこもってたんだぜw
ココはノックしなかったからルール完璧に守ってるってことだよなッ!」感情くん+125
Thorn14
There's a great meme on twitter of his ass just snoring asleep during all the events of the past 5 episodes.
それな!過去5話の間ずっとあの部屋で爆睡してるだけのあいつのミーム、Twitterにあったんだけどやばくない!?笑ギャル+64
Toge_Inumaki012
a Watchful Eye indeed lol
「Watchful Eye」ってマジで草www
過去5話の間ずっと爆睡してるだけやんけ2ちゃん+11
Prof_Acorn
>Imagine for the past five episodes he'd just been in that room the whole time lol.
Flashbacks to grad school.
/*100 yard stare*
「ここ5話ずっとあの部屋にいたんだよ」ってマジかよ。
大学院の思い出が蘇るわ。
(100ヤードの遠い目)普通くん+40
JzanderN
原文
> Considering Tetia, Nolnoa, and Alaira all knew about Coco, though -- it's not like Qifrey kept her a secret, so why is Olruggio so out of the loop?
Heck, she overnight became big news among the populace to the point where people figured out who she was just based on Qifrey introducing her specifically because she's an outsider.
I can only assume he was busy with work that prevented him from being able to hear the news.
テティア、ノルノア、アライラは全員ココのことを知っていたわけで――つまりキーフリーは彼女を隠していたわけじゃない。それなのにオルルジオだけ情報から外れてるのはなぜだろう?
そもそもココは一夜にして話題の人物になり、キーフリーがよそ者だと紹介しただけで正体がバレるほどだった。オルルジオがその話を聞けなかったのは、単に仕事で忙しかったからだと推測するしかないな。考察くん+101
cyberscythe
yeah, he was probably busy instead of scrolling Hexagram or whatever social media witches use
せやな、本人はヘキサグラムとか魔女のSNS見てる暇なくて忙しかったんやろなwww2ちゃん+59
Aliensinnoh
Given how widely this news was shown to have spread, I’m much more confused about how the Knights Moralis seemingly don’t know about her yet? Olruggio and Qifrey both seem to be under the impression that the knights would erase her memories if she was turned in, so how come they haven’t just shown up of their own accord at this point?
確かに。この情報がここまで広まってるなら、騎士団がまだココのことを知らないってのが逆に謎だよね。オルルージュもキーフリーも、騎士団に引き渡せば記憶を消されると思ってるみたいだし、なんで今まで騎士団が自ら現れないんだろう?普通くん+21
pornomancer90
I assume Qifrey taking here in as apprentice, basically protects her from them, because basically he decided she is his problem, but let's say no one is willing to take her in, it's the knights problem and when all you have is a hammer...
確かに、キーフリーが彼女を弟子として迎え入れたことで、ナイツ・モラリスから事実上保護していると考察できる。彼が「この子は俺の責任だ」と決断したわけだが、仮に誰も引き取らなければ騎士団の問題になり、手にハンマーしかなければ全てが釘に見えるという状況になる。制作陣の意図が読み取れるな。考察くん+34
JzanderN
原文
Who's to say they don't know about her? Olruggio didn't know about her, but the Knight Moralis may very well know and had to be asked for permission given this goes against their usual modus operandi.
They're probably trusting Qifrey with her, so if Olruggio (the watcher of his atelier) took her to get her mind erased, they would have assumed he decided things didn't/wouldn't work out and they had to return to their usual method.
Or at the very least Qifrey decided to save him the flight there and back by explaining things himself. "If I were to turn you over to them" implies it would be Qifrey changing his mind and turning Coco in, not someone else turning her in, that would make them erase her memories.
Qifrey's probably already set up everything so they won't go after Coco and was just explaining how seriously they'd treat her if it weren't for that (and also exactly why he won't let them do it to her).
確かにそれは考えられるね。オルルジオは知らなかったかもしれないけど、騎士モラリスは彼女のことを知っていて、いつものやり方に反するから許可を取る必要があったのかも。
おそらく彼らはキーフリーにココを任せていて、オルルジオ(彼の工房の監視役)が記憶を消すために連れて行ったとなると、うまくいかなかったと判断して通常の方法に戻るってことになるんだろうな。
少なくともキーフリーが自分で説明するために往復の飛行を節約したって可能性もある。「もし君を彼らに引き渡すとしたら」って言い方からすると、キーフリー自身が心変わりしてココを引き渡す場合の話で、他の誰かが突き出すわけじゃないってことだしね。
キーフリーは多分もうココを追われないように全部準備してて、それがなかった場合の彼らの対応の厳しさを説明してたんだと思うよ(そしてだからこそ彼らにやらせない理由も)。普通くん+16
Kankunation
原文
I'd imagines it's not so much something they all know for fact that it is a rumor that is hard to confirm. Most witches probably do not know of the deal Quifrey seems to have made to keep her, and I'm sure plenty of witches would have wiped her memories that day without remorse. She's a major exception, and I don't think most people know she ever used forbidden magic even if they know enough that she hasn't been a witch long.
なるほど、オルルジオが「ココを甘やかすな」と言いながらもドアを完全には閉めなかった行動、これは彼なりのバランス感覚の表れだと思う。彼は厳しい立場を取りつつも、ココの成長や好奇心を完全に否定しているわけではない。むしろ、彼女が禁術を使った過去を知りながらも、ある種の信頼を寄せている証拠とも取れる。キーフリーとの取引の噂は確かに確証がなく、ほとんどの魔法使いはココの特異性を表面的にしか理解していないだろう。記憶を消す選択をしなかったこと自体が、彼らの関係性の深さを示す伏線だと思われる。考察くん+10
namewithak
Tetia and Richeh knew about the forbidden magic thing though. They even specifically said that that's what people are talking about. It might just be that Olruggio doesn't know about any of it because he's been extremely busy with his work and hasn't paid attention to anything outside of it. Which kinda makes him a bad Watchful Eye tbh.
確かにテティアとリチェは禁術のことを知ってたし、人々が噂してるって具体的に言ってたよね。オルルジオは仕事に忙殺されて外のことに気を配れてなかっただけで、知らなかっただけかもね。でもそれって監視の目としては正直ダメだと思うわ。普通くん+11
Kankunation
They knew yes, but it seems to still be at the level of being a rumor rather than a hard fact that's in the papers or something. The girls made a guess that the rumors were possibly true, and obviously they know now that Coco at the very least was indeed a new witch apprentice.
確かに、彼女たちは知っていた。だが、それはまだ書類に記録された確固たる事実ではなく、噂レベルの話だったと思われる。二人の少女は噂が本当かもしれないと推測し、少なくともココが確かに新しい魔女見習いであることを今知った、という考察ができる。考察くん+6
moletoon
Mom's finally back from getting milk and found out dad has adopted another apprentice.
Seeing the cooking bits now reminded me we havent gotten the second season of dungeon meshi. That and the adaptation of witch hatch kitchen spinoff too
お母さんがやっとミルク買いから帰ってきて、パパがまた新しい弟子を迎え入れたことを知ったみたいだな。
料理シーン見てて思ったけど、ダンジョン飯の2期まだ来てないんだよな。それとウィッチハットキッチンのスピンオフのアニメ化も。普通くん+225
Se7en_Sinner
The heterosexual urge to raise four daughters with your best friend.
それな!まじで親友と4人娘育てたいって思っちゃうじゃん笑ギャル+218
socialistRanter
“Nah nah, we’re together because we need to watch and regulate each other actions, we’re not raising four girls together”
「いやいや、俺たちはお互いの行動を監視・調整するために一緒にいるんだ。四人の娘を一緒に育ててるわけじゃないんだよ」普通くん+105
SmileyTheSmile
"Whatcha watchin' and regulatin' over there, eh?"
「何見て何規制してんだよ、おいおい」って感じッ!笑 もう完全に子育てじゃんそれ!感情くん+6
BuckeyeBentley
And they were Ateliermates!
草 ガチで言うてるやんwww
アトリエメイトってなんやねん!でも分かるわ〜2ちゃん+91
Frontier246
"We can barely manage three kids, now you add a fourth!? I can't leave you alone for five minutes!"
「子ども3人で手一杯なのに、4人目追加!?ちょっと目離した隙にこれかよ!」って感じじゃん笑 料理してるRemi見てるとほんとそれ思うわ~ギャル+99
moletoon
Also a brushbuddy he totally doesnt want around
「それな。しかも刷毛仲間まで勝手に連れてきてて、絶対にいらないと思ってるのが笑える」普通くん+77
HolyDragSwd2500
And a pet too
せやな、子ども3人で手一杯やのに4人目かよ…
ペットも増えて草生えるわww2ちゃん+15
Hitman7128
Yuuichi Nakamura was the perfect choice to voice Master Olruggio, considering he voices a lot of powerful MCs or powerful important characters (like Ryoma from FE Fates).
"Anyone who knocks will be cursed"
~~Coco sidestepping the slightly opened door isn't knocking~~. That aside, I do like Master Olruggio's strict yet caring demeanor.
中村悠一がオルルジョ先生の声を担当するのは完璧なキャスティングだと思う。彼はこれまでも多くの強力な主人公や重要なキャラクター(FE fatesのリョウマなど)を演じてきたからな。
「ノックした者は呪われる」
~~ココが少し開いたドアをすり抜けて入ったのはノック扱いではない~~。それはさておき、オルルジョ先生の厳しさの中にも優しさがある態度は好印象だ。制作陣は彼の二面性を声優の演技力で表現したかったんだろうな。考察くん+205
thekoreansun
> "Anyone who knocks will be cursed"
I mean, the man is just asking for people to enter his room unannounced with a sign like that. You'd think that a witch of all people would be more cognizant of the side effects that their inscriptions can have.
確かに。あの張り紙見たら逆にノックしたくなるわ。魔法使いが一番自分たちの刻印の副作用を理解してなきゃいけないはずなのに、皮肉だよね。普通くん+116
ChicaneryFinger
"Anyone who knocks will be cursed" is broad, it's inviting, it's generic.
"Anyone who knocks will have both sides of their pillow warm" is specific, it's terrifying, it's direct.
「ノックしたら呪う」って広すぎて逆に誘ってる感じじゃん笑
「ノックしたら枕の両面が温かくなってるよ」って言われた方が具体的で怖すぎてやばくね!?直球すぎるし!ギャル+77
JzanderN
If someone needs to go into his room for whatever reason, they're going to see that sign and think "oh, just don't knock. So do I call him or just go in?"
確かに「ノックしたら呪われる」って書いてあったら、逆に「じゃあノックせずに入っていいのか?」って混乱しそうだよね。普通くん+16
Hitman7128
Yeah, he should have installed a lock on his door instead. It is funny though seeing her defy the rule ~~like what some of us occasionally used to do as children~~
確かに!鍵つけとけばよかったのにって思うじゃん?笑
でも彼女がルール破るとこ、まじで子供の頃にちょっとやらかした感じ思い出して笑えるんだけど〜!ギャル+6
Frontier246
I love me some gap moe with a gruff but doting male tsundere.
確かに!中村悠一の渋カッコいい声でツンデレおじさんのギャップ萌えとか優勝すぎるッ!無理!感情くん+39
SacoNegr0
> (like Ryoma from FE Fates)
Or his lesser known role, Gojo
あーそれな!中村悠一がオルルジョ先生の声優ってまじで天才的なキャスティングじゃん!?
五条悟とかリョウマとか最強キャラ多すぎて草www
てか五条は"知名度低め"って言うなよ笑 確かにFEとかよりは有名だけどさ〜!ギャル+12
El_grandepadre
We have Go (hair and eyes) and jo (voice)
中村悠一がオルルジオ先生の声当てるのガチでハマっとるな。ゴー(髪と目)とジョー(声)のコンボ完璧やわwww2ちゃん+9
Mistral-Fien
> he voices a lot of powerful MCs
Like Magical Flying Jesus with a gun. Or Clevatess.
確かに、中村悠一は魔法使い系の強いキャラ多いよね。まさに銃持った空飛ぶイエス様とか、Clevatessみたいな感じ。普通くん+5
Plerti
>"Anyone who knocks will be cursed"
*That sign won't stop me because I can't read!*
「ノックした奴は呪われる」って看板、読めないから意味ねェ!w
中村悠一がオルルジョ先生の声優ってマジで天才すぎるッ!強キャラ声優のイメージそのままだよな!感情くん+5
NanDemoKnaives
原文
Lol so Olruggio's a tsundere it seems, it was sweet how he left his door open so that Coco can come in without knocking. Olruggio being the one that gave Coco her dream was a surprise, I thought that'd be revealed down the line and it wouldn't be someone we meet this early on. Olruggio's gained an apprentice himself.
I like how Qifrey mastered water magic because he didn't like getting wet, but after learning that, it stood out to me when he was getting wet to keep Olruggio from taking Coco away. That spell would be a lot more convenient than umbrellas.
笑った、オルルジオってツンデレなんだな。わざわざドアを開けたままにしてココがノックせずに入れるようにしてたの、良かったわ。ココに夢を与えたのがオルルジオだったのは驚きだよ、てっきり後々明かされる展開で、こんな序盤に出会うキャラじゃないと思ってた。オルルジオも自分で弟子を持ったか。
キーフリーが水魔法を極めたの、濡れるのが嫌だったからって理由、好きだわ。でもそれを知った後で、オルルジオがココを連れて行くのを止めるために自分が濡れてたシーンが印象に残った。あの魔法、傘よりずっと便利そうだな。普通くん+194
finnjakefionnacake
i still need qifrey to have a conversation with agott about everything that happened, like what? lol
それな!オルルジオのツンデレっぷりやばくね?笑 ドア開けといてあげるとかまじ優しいじゃん!
でもそれよりキーフリーとアゴットの会話まだなの?おいおいマジかよ!って感じなんだけど笑ギャル+46
Ikari_21
Yeah I’m surprised she still hasn’t apologized to absolutely anything
確かに!アゴットに対する謝罪、まだ一切ないのウケるww
クィフェイとの会話待ちすぎる…マジで何も説明してなくて草感情くん+15
Earlier-Today
"But look at how much she's grown this episode! She wasn't horrible to Coco even once!"
確かに、でも今週の彼女の成長ぶり見た?ココに一度も酷くしなかったじゃん!普通くん+15
Toge_Inumaki012
Still irks me that she was not confronted by Qifrey about Coco's last test and no consequences etc.
Probably because Coco passed and is hoping that Agott will mellow out and see Coco as a fellow apprentice witch?
確かに、キーフリーがココの最終試験についてアゴットに何も言わなかったのは気になるポイントだよな。ココが合格したからって、アゴットが自然に軟化して同僚の見習い魔女として認めるのを期待してるってことか?でも、あの性格を考えると、もう少し明確な指導があっても良かったんじゃないかという考察ができる。制作陣としては、アゴットの成長を焦らず描く意図なのかもしれないが。考察くん+12
Zeallfnonex
I do wonder if the knowledge of those paving stones is in itself a potential clue. Sure, it may have been Olruggio's work and it may have been disseminated decently widely, but how many witches *really* knew how it worked? Does this narrow that brimmed cap down to someone fairly close to Olruggio's and Qifrey's... university... or equivalent... circle?
それな。Olruggioがツンデレなのは草。ドア開けといてあげるの甘すぎやろ。
【同意】
- 敷石の知識自体が手がかりになるかもな
- 確かにOlruggioの作品で広まってたとはいえ、実際に仕組み理解してた魔女ってどれだけおるんや
- ってことは例のとんがり帽子、OlruggioとQifreyの大学サークル周辺の人間に絞られるってことか?2ちゃん+11
Earlier-Today
I don't think the paving stones were set up by the brimmed hat witch - just the book Coco got directly from them.
確かに!でもその敷石自体はツバ広帽子の魔女が仕掛けたわけじゃなくて、ココが直接もらった本だけがヤバいってことだよね!ギャル+8
SmileyTheSmile
I'm confused on another aspect - the way he explained the spell, as I understood it, meant that every pavestone Coco stepped on back then had been manually prepared beforehand with the magic circles put in them. Am I getting this right?
確かに、あの敷石の知識自体が手がかりになる可能性はあるね。でも別の点で混乱してるんだが、彼が説明した呪文の仕組み、つまり当時ココが踏んだ敷石は全部、事前に手作業で魔法陣を仕込んで準備されてたってことだよな?俺の理解って合ってる?普通くん+5
NoHead1715
It works exactly like the piano stairs, except the magic pavements uses light instead of sound.
確かに!ピアノ階段の魔法版って感じだよね。音じゃなくて光を使うってのがまたエモいし、ココが踏むたびに光る演出とか想像しただけで無理、優勝すぎるッ!感情くん+8
HornedTurtle1212
I think it's interesting that Agott looks like she could literally be Olruggio's daughter. Their character designs look very similar to me.
それな!アゴットとオルルジオ、親子って言われても違和感ないよね〜髪色とか目の形とか似すぎじゃない?笑ギャル+7
NoHead1715
\> he was getting wet to keep Olruggio from taking Coco away
And conveniently, Olruggio has just the magic to dry him up
それな、わざと自分を濡らしてココを取られないようにしてたってのが可愛いじゃん。しかもオルルジオが乾かす魔法を持ってるってのも絶妙だね。普通くん+7
thekoreansun
Seems like even a complete grump like Olruggio isn't resistant to Coco's charms. Then again, I don't think that there's a scientific explanation for how precious Coco is, so I have to assume that she accidentally worked some magic on him to get him to view her favorably. Although, what else could you call compassion other than the most simple of magics?
ワイ「オルルジオみたいな頑固ジジイでもココの魅力には抗えんのやな」って思ったわ
つーかココの尊さに科学的説明なんて無理やろ、絶対うっかり魔法かけられたんやろなwww
でも思いやりって一番シンプルな魔法って言うならそれも納得やな2ちゃん+177
WhoiusBarrel
Coco's magic is ~~never giving up~~ being precious.
確かに、ココの魅力には誰も敵わないよね。彼女の魔法は「諦めないこと」じゃなくて「愛され力」だと思うわ。普通くん+100
unga_bunga_mage
Coco cast the forbidden magic, adorableness.
It's super effective!
Olruggio takes a critical hit.
草ァ!ココの禁術は可愛さってマジかよwww
効果は抜群や!
オルルジオ、急所に当たったンゴwww2ちゃん+46
Frontier246
Provided she isn't tired before getting motivated by cooking lol.
確かにそれな!料理でやる気チャージするまでは疲れてるっての、めっちゃあるあるじゃん笑 でもそこがココの可愛いとこだよね〜ギャル+24
JzanderN
Are you suggesting that Coco being tired isn't precious?
「ココが疲れてる姿も可愛いって言いたいんでしょ?それ最高すぎるッ!同意!」感情くん+24
Frontier246
You see that proud smiling face when she successfully mastered the pyreball and deny this girl the ability to use magic? You'd be more monstrous than a brimmed cap.
確かに。火球を成功させた時のあの誇らしげな笑顔を見て、この子に魔法を使わせるなって言える?それこそブリムドキャップより悪魔的だよ。普通くん+50
flybypost
> You'd be more monstrous than a brimmed cap.
A brimmed hat in spirit!
ツバ広帽より人間性疑うわ。
魂はもうツバ広帽やんけwww2ちゃん+7
Zemahem
No one can blame him. You'd have to be heartless not to be moved even slightly by this beautiful cinnamon roll too good for this world.
確かに。この純粋すぎる天使みたいな子に心動かされないなんて無理だよね。普通くん+37
Prof_Acorn
She basically said his invention is what allowed her to dream and she gave him the sweetest thank you for it.
If there's any a way to convince someone not to erase your memories of magic, that would be it.
確かに、彼女は彼の発明があったからこそ夢を見ることができたと伝え、その上で最も優しい感謝の言葉を贈った。これは魔法の記憶を消さないよう説得する方法として、最も効果的な手段だったと言える。制作陣が意図したであろう、感謝の力で絆を強固にする展開がよく描かれている。考察くん+38
JzanderN
> If there's any a way to convince someone not to erase your memories of magic, that would be it.
Arc where the Knight Moralis decide to erase Coco's memories after all but she ends up convincing them not to with her adorableness and love of magic.
確かに、それで記憶消去を思いとどまらせるなら完璧だよね。
ナイト・モラリスがココの記憶を消そうとするけど、彼女の可愛さと魔法への愛で説得する展開、最高だったな。普通くん+5
JzanderN
> Then again, I don't think that there's a scientific explanation for how precious Coco is,
Would a magic explanation work? Because hard magic system aside, it wouldn't be shocking..
If Olruggio folds like paper after one interaction with her, Agott's (a)gott to come round on Coco soon too. ~~And then maybe develop a big crush on her. Anyone else been getting those vibes?~~
オルルジオがあれだけ頑固なのにココの魅力に抗えないのは、むしろ当然の帰結だと思う。彼女の可愛さには科学的な説明が不可能だという主張には全面的に同意するが、魔法なら説明可能かもしれない。この作品のハードな魔法体系とは別に、ココの魅力が魔法のような作用を及ぼしていると考えるのは不自然ではない。
そして、オルルジオが一回の交流で折れるなら、アガットもすぐにココに心を開く流れになるだろう。~~さらに言えば、彼女がココに対して恋愛感情を抱く可能性も視野に入れておくべき。そういう空気を感じているのは私だけだろうか?~~考察くん+21
AceSoldia
Agott's magic is tsundere. She will be the last to fold
アゴットの魔法はツンデレだね。彼女が最後に折れるだろうな。普通くん+28
JzanderN
But when she finally folds, she will fold the hardest!
それな!アガットが折れる時はまじでガチで折れるじゃん!そのギャップがたまんないんだよね笑ギャル+21
KazuharaIlfan
As adult with different reason to Qifrey (Im leaning on theory that if she didnt remember that picture book, he woulda lobotomizes her by now), Olruggio must have a soft spot for that pure admiration for magic and thought it would be cruel to snuff it out.
確かに、オルルジョはキーフリーとは別の大人の視点を持っていると思う。もしココがあの絵本を覚えていなかったら、キーフリーはすでに彼女の記憶を消していただろうという考察ができる。オルルジョは魔法への純粋な憧れに心を動かされ、それを摘み取るのは残酷だと考えたんだろうな。考察くん+15
WhoiusBarrel
Olruggio's 2nd interaction with Coco was so wholesome, anyone would have thought twice at robbing such a great love of magic after hearing her gush like that.
マジでオルルジオがココと2回目に話したシーン、めっちゃほっこりしたんだけど!あんなに魔法への愛を語られちゃったら、誰だって奪うの躊躇しちゃうよね〜やばくない!?ギャル+142
NanDemoKnaives
Visual's made it all the more real, the way she was hugging the floor lol.
OlruggioとCocoの2度目のやり取り、ガチで尊すぎやろwww 床に張り付いてるCocoのビジュアルがまた草生えるンゴwww2ちゃん+88
Zemahem
Her backstory where the steps stopped lighting up under little baby Coco's feet always gets to me every single time it's shown. It would be absolutely soul-crushing if her love for magic got taken away like that when she's now just able to fulfill her dreams.
確かに、幼いココの足元で魔法の階段の灯りが消えるバックストーリーは毎回胸が締め付けられる。あの描写は、彼女が魔法への愛情を無邪気に抱いていた時期が既に終わっていたことを示唆しているとも考察できる。今まさに夢を叶えられる状況でその愛情を奪われる展開は、制作陣が意図的に観客の感情を揺さぶる伏線として機能していると思われる。考察くん+70
Frontier246
He's like the type to put up a gruff front but is surprisingly good with kids when you get to know him.
あのオルルジオ、最初はツンデレっぽいけど実際はガチで子守上手いやんwww
子供相手だとデレるタイプ草2ちゃん+43
Asgerond
This Qifrey guy is a menace.
He just manipulated a small child to make him a burger, so he didnt have too. Lazy bum.
He aint seeing the pearly gates, thats for sure.
このキーフリー、やべーやつだな。
子供をうまく操ってバーガー作らせてたし、自分で作るの面倒だったんだろ。めんどくさがり屋め。
天国には行けねぇな、こいつは。普通くん+128
flybypost
He probably prefers hell anyway, less water there.
草www 確かにそっちの方が水なくて快適そうやな2ちゃん+65
cyberscythe
> He just manipulated a small child to make him a burger, so he didnt have too. Lazy bum.
plot twist; there is no brimmed caps conspiracy, it's all just a front for a child labor shop
確かに。子供にハンバーガー作らせて自分はサボるって、完全に人使い荒すぎだよな。でも実は陰謀論も全部子供の労働力確保のための偽装ってオチだったりしてな。普通くん+51
CooroSnowFox
I think he is aware what his past will lead him to.
せやな、アイツ自分の過去がどう転ぶか分かってると思うわ。2ちゃん+11
soihu
qifrey is a good teacher but a bum-ass parent
同意。「キーフリーはいい先生だけど親としてはクソすぎるッ!」感情くん+7
saynay
The character animation continues to be absurd for a TV anime. Just absolutely beautiful.
A good teaching moment for Qifrey, seeing Coco struggling with book / theory learning, so having her shift focus to some practical applications.
キャラクターアニメーションがTVアニメとは思えないレベルだよね。本当に美しすぎる。
ココが本や理論の勉強で苦戦してるのを見て、実践的な応用にシフトさせるキーフレイの指導、良い教訓になったね。普通くん+126
CooroSnowFox
Still a series that is in the Movie-quality area just for a slice of life episode...
this is just a 5 hours anime film we're watching right?
マジで言うけど、日常回なのにクオリティ映画レベルじゃん!これもう5時間のアニメ映画見てるのと同じじゃね?やばっ!ギャル+33
BlobBro
It's crazy because I was thinking the animation/direction this episode was kind of weak compared to some of the others, and then I took a step back and remembered this is a TV anime and it actually still looks fantastic lmao
確かに、今作の作画クオリティはTVアニメの枠を超えてるよな。ただ、このエピソードは演出面で少し大人しめだった気がする。キーフレームの動きに比べて中割りが少なかったのか、全体的に動きの密度が低く感じたんだよね。でもそれも含めて、Qiにとっての「教える場面」として意図的に抑えた演出だったという考察もできる。制作陣の計算を感じる。考察くん+19
aman2218
This wasn't even animated by the main studio; instead outsourced to a third party
確かに。それすらメインスタジオじゃなくて外注先がやったってのがすごいよな。普通くん+13
namewithak
原文
It was noticeable in the beginning and in a few other parts. The style, coloring, and direction looked different compared to the past five episodes. Still very good but closer to the standard tv anime level of good than the movie-quality good that most of the show had been operating on. For those slightly off moments, Yuka Kitamura's music remained a beautiful connecting thread to the usual feel of the show.
その通りやな。冒頭とか何カ所かで明らかに違ったわ。作風も色味も演出も、過去5話と比べて別物やった。でもまだ十分良い出来やけど、これまでの映画級クオリティからは落ちた感じやったな。そういう違和感ある場面でも、北村友香の音楽がいつもの雰囲気に繋げてくれてたのは良かった。2ちゃん+9
LeonKevlar
原文
* **Master Olruggio**
Richeh staring at that thick slab of meat was pretty adorable. This girl is really my spirit animal. And I love the scene with Brushbuddy stuffing his face right next to Coco. They really need to make plushies of this damn thing. I'd definitely buy one!
Olruggio scared me for a second there. I genuinely thought Coco either got lost and went to the wrong house or someone invaded the atelier. So he's basically the person who's supposed to keep an eye on things because they're not supervised by Witches from the Great Hall.
Oh, damn. The Knight Moralis actually look pretty damn cool. I thought the Brimmed Hats were the only ones with immaculate drip. Too bad they're gonna erase Coco's memories and love of magic if someone turns her in to their group.
So the magic in Coco's shoes was actually on the bricks themselves, and they were actually invented by Olruggio? That's why Coco's mom was like, "Sure, you can be a Witch if you can keep on walking with those lights on." She knew that as soon as they were out of the city and were walking on dirt, the magic would stop working.
How can you even get angry at that face? I love how Olruggio went from scary watchman dude to tsundere-sensei real quick. I love how he even keeps his door open instead of fully closing it. It means he's not opposed to Coco visiting him again.
**マスター・オルルジオ**
リチェが厚切り肉をじっと見つめてるの、めっちゃ可愛かったな。この子はまさに俺のソウルアニマルだわ。あとブラッシュバディがココの隣でご飯を頬張ってるシーンも好き。絶対ぬいぐるみ出してほしい、買うわ。
オルルジオには一瞬ビビった。ココが迷子になって別の家に行ったか、誰かがアトリエに侵入したのかと本気で思ったよ。つまり彼は、大広間の魔女たちに監督されてないから代わりに目を光らせる役割ってことか。
ナイト・モラリス、意外とかっこいいな。ブリムドハッツだけがオシャレだと思ってたわ。でももし誰かがココを通報したら、彼女の記憶と魔法への愛情を消しちゃうんだよな…。
ココの靴の魔法は実はレンガ自体に仕込まれてて、オルルジオの発明だったのか。だから母親が「灯りが続く限り魔女になっていいよ」って言ったんだな。街を出て土の上を歩けば魔法が切れるって知ってたから。
あの顔で怒れるか? オルルジオが怖い監視人からツンデレ先生に一瞬で変わったの好き。ドアを完全に閉めずに開けっ放しにしてるのも、ココがまた来るのを拒んでないってことだよね。普通くん+118
JzanderN
原文
> Oh, damn. The Knight Moralis actually look pretty damn cool. I thought the Brimmed Hats were the only ones with immaculate drip.
I like to think that the Knight Moralis used to have no drip but then saw the Brimmed Hats and thought "guys, we need to step up our game or we're going to lose everyone to them!"
> How can you even get angry at that face? I love how Olruggio went from scary watchman dude to tsundere-sensei real quick.
Along with the absolutely adorable face, I feel like Coco reminded Olruggio of his own love for magic. That's what Qifrey's really trying to protect at this point, 'cause he fell in love with her love for magic too when they first met.
Olruggio has lost his passion for magic (if he ever had any, but I think he did). Whether it's life beating him down or even just magic becoming more mundane as he had a better understanding of it, he sees it a lot more practically and with less "wow" than Coco does.
But while he's explaining that the light up tiles are pretty simple magic, Coco's in wonder of them. She still has that same wonder in her eyes that she did when they first sparked that love for magic in her all those years ago, and I think that connected with something in Olruggio.
草、ナイト・モラリス普通にかっこいいやんけ!
ワイはてっきり「ブリムハットだけがダサかっこいい」と思っとったわ
個人的にはナイト・モラリスも最初はダサかったけど、ブリムハット見て「やべ、こっちもオシャレしないと誰も来んわ」って焦った説ある
> あの顔見て怒れるか?オルジオが怖い監視人からツンデレ先生に早変わりして草
ココのあの可愛い顔見てると、オルジオも昔の自分を思い出したんやろな。
キーフリーが必死に守ろうとしとるのって、まさにその「魔法への純粋な愛」やし。
オルジオはもう魔法に情熱失くしとる(元々あったかは微妙やけど)。
人生に疲れたか、魔法に詳しくなりすぎて日常感覚になっちまったか。
でも光るタイルが「簡単な魔法」やと説明しとる間も、ココの目はキラキラ輝いたままやったんや。
あの何年も前に初めて魔法に恋した時と同じ輝きが、オルジオの心の何かを揺さぶったんやろな。2ちゃん+51
OtakuAttacku
This is like my favorite storytelling cliche (?), an old seasoned master who is at the very top of their craft but is disillusioned by the society built around the craft. But a young apprentice comes along and reminds them of everything they loved about it. The mundane becomes magical again through fresh eyes.
Edit: Trope. The word I was looking for was trope.
確かにね。熟練した達人が社会に幻滅してるけど、若い弟子がその情熱を思い出させるってのは最高の展開だよね。新鮮な目で日常が再び魔法に変わる感じ。このトロープ、大好きだわ。普通くん+12
flybypost
原文
> Richeh staring at that thick slab of meat was pretty adorable.
The brushbuddy too. It embodies the saying "you eyes are bigger than your stomach".
> Olruggio scared me for a second there. I genuinely thought Coco either got lost and went to the wrong house or someone invaded the atelier.
What scared me was the moment before we saw him. It was just his feet and I thought some brimmed hat had arrived to "talk" to Coco but when I saw his face I knew things were okay, he's in the OP!
> Oh, damn. The Knight Moralis actually look pretty damn cool.
They look so stiff to me (in the OP and here), like some incompetent tryhards who would panic if some ink were spilled onto their pristine cloaks.
ああ、リチェが肉の塊を見つめるシーン、確かに可愛かったな。あれは「目が欲しい」状態を体現してるんだよな。ブラッシュバディも同じく。
オルルジオ登場の演出は見事だと思う。足元だけ映して「つば広帽がココに接触しに来たか」と一瞬思わせる構成、制作陣の意図が読める。でも顔が見えた瞬間に「ああOPに出てるキャラだから大丈夫」と安心させられる、この緩急が良い。
ナイトモラリスに関しては、俺も違和感を覚えた。OPでも本編でも妙に堅苦しくて、まるでインク一滴でパニックになりそうな不器用な連中に見えるんだよな。あの硬さは逆に伏線かもしれない。考察くん+35
Frontier246
原文
Richeh really that one girl who is just vibing through the entire plot lol.
Olruggio went from "let's turn her in" to begrudgingly accepting her quick, but I guess it's just a sign that he's deep down pretty caring/understanding. He even apologized for the "Outsider" comment when eh didn't have to.
Olruggio called them his "masterwork" but I wonder if he didn't quite realize how special or impactful they were until he saw Coco's reaction?
**返信**
リチェ、マジでストーリー通して常にマイペースで草www
オルルジオ、最初は「引き渡すぞ」って言ってたのにいつの間にか渋々認めてるやん。でも根はめっちゃ優しいし理解あるって証拠やな。「部外者」発言も謝ってたし、別に謝らんでも良かったのに。
オルルジオが「俺の傑作」って呼んでたけど、ココの反応見るまで自分が作ったもんがどんだけ特別か実感してなかったんちゃう?2ちゃん+24
Shadowmist909
Agott is quite the dedicated student, but this cliffhanger leaves me a bit anxious. This crisis makes for a high stakes time for her to try to tackle outside witch work.
Yet on the other hand, maybe it'll tie in nicely with what Qifrey was saying about life itself being the best teacher.
アゴットは本当に真面目な生徒だよね。でもこのクリフハンガーはちょっと不安になるな。今回の危機で彼女が外の魔法使いの仕事に挑むのはハイリスクすぎる。
その一方で、キーフリーが言ってた「人生こそ最高の教師」って言葉にもうまく繋がるかもしれないね。普通くん+104
kd5499
原文
I feel like Agott does do well initally, but with it being a storm, she gets overwhelmed and needs to be bailed out, gets a humility arc and Coco continually cheering her up gets a why tf are you so kind to me reaction from agott and they become friends. Idk if they present long term consequences of actions in this anime, since Coco seems like she's gotten all the reprimands she's gonna get for following the brimmed caps in kalhn, and we haven't seen shit agott has to take for her actions(maybe because she isn't the MC, so we don't know if she's been talked to in the background).
アゴット、最初は上手くやるんやろうけど、嵐でテンパって助けられて謙虚になる流れやろな。そんでココがずっと励まして「なんでそんなに優しいんやお前」ってなるんやろな、友達になるんや。このアニメで行動の長期的な影響描くかは知らんけど、ココはカルーンの件で怒られただけやし、アゴットの方は何もないんかね(主人公ちゃうから裏で注意されたかもやけど)。2ちゃん+24
Genoscythe_
I feel like you are misreading Agott's character, does she need a humility arc? She isn't really overconfident, she works really hard and is desperate to prove herself.
Sure, she could use some lessons on how to be less high-strung, but she seems already anxious enough about failing Quifrey and the future tests, so I'm not sure how actually failing would automatically help with that.
確かにアゴットは過剰な自信家ってわけじゃなく、努力家で認められたいって必死なんだよね。リラックスする術を学ぶ必要はあるけど、もう既にキーフリーや今後の試験に失敗するのを怖がってる感じだし、実際に失敗したらそれが自動的に解決になるわけじゃないと思う。普通くん+18
towardselysium
原文
Her primary issue is her lack of teamwork and threat assessment. Yes she works hards and doesn't over value her abilities but she assumes she has to solve everything herself and that only she has the solution.
Even if witches primarily work alone Agott seems to lack the ability to discern a situation, break it down into the component issues, and prioritize dynamically. She's very much a linear thinker and if she's unable to handle the minor inconvenience of some noise how is she gonna handle a dynamically evolving situation? We saw in the Dungeon despite having two apprentices and a dragon bearing down on her, her priority was to try and break the wall herself and only came up with the parallel magic idea once it was clear she had no other choice but to cooperate
せやな、アガットの問題は慢心とかじゃなくてチームワークと状況判断の欠如やろ。確かに努力家で過信はしてないけど、「全部自分でなんとかせな」って思い込みすぎや。
魔女が基本ソロでも、アガットは状況を分解して優先順位を動的に変えられへん。直線的な思考しかできへんから、ちょっとした騒音すら対処できんやつが、刻々と変わる状況に対応できるわけないやん。ダンジョンで見たやろ、二人の見習いとドラゴンに迫られても壁壊そうとしてただけで、協力するしかないってなってようやく並列魔法思いついたんやで。2ちゃん+16
Morgc
Pretty sure she *isn't* confident and for one reason or another, feels like she needs to prove herself useful to justify herself to some concept we'll see in the future.
Getting the impression that Quifrey's apprentices are all there for a reason...
確かにアガットは自信過剰ってわけじゃなくて、むしろ自分を証明しなきゃって感じだよね。何か理由があって、将来出てくるであろう概念に対して自分の価値を正当化しようとしてるんだと思う。
キーフリーの弟子たち、みんなそれぞれ理由があって集まってる気がするな…普通くん+6
Shadowmist909
If a friendship forms between Coco and Agott out of this, I'd be glad to see it.
せやな、アゴットは最初は上手くやってるんやけど、嵐で手に負えなくなって助けられるって流れやんな。
この件でココとアゴットが友情育んだらワイは嬉しいンゴwww2ちゃん+15
ptd163
Yeah that's what I'm feeling as well. Agott thinks this is a time to prove herself, but fails and gets knocked off her high horse. I wouldn't just want a humility arc before they become friends, I'd want a reprimand from Qifrey as well because she never got them for almost killing Coco and verbally abusing her.
確かにそう思う。アガットは自分を証明するチャンスだと思ったけど、失敗して鼻をへし折られた感じだよね。ただ、彼女が謙虚になるエピソードをやるだけじゃなくて、ココを殺しかけたことや言葉の暴力に対してキーフレイからの叱責も欲しいな。あれはちゃんと謝ってないから。普通くん+8
Toge_Inumaki012
Still irks me that she was not confronted by Qifrey about Coco's last test and no consequences etc.
Probably because Coco passed and is hoping that Agott will mellow out and see Coco as a fellow apprentice witch
同意。アゴットがココの最終試験で行った行動について、キーフリーから直接問い詰められたり罰則がなかったのは確かに気になる点だな。おそらくココが試験に合格したことで、アゴットの態度が軟化し、彼女を一人前の見習い魔女として認めるようになることをキーフリーは期待しているのだろうという考察ができる。考察くん+8
Se7en_Sinner
I know people are sick of the Gojo and Qifrey comparisons but Qifrey using a spell that stops rain from touching him is basically Infinity.
And now we even have Gojo's voice actor playing the role of Olruggio.
草www 五条とキーフリーの比較ネタは正直もう飽き飽きやけどな、確かに「雨を防ぐ魔法」は無量空処やんけwww
しかも五条の声優がオルルジオ役ってガチで草生えるわ。2ちゃん+98
Frontier246
>I know people are sick of the Gojo and Qifrey comparisons but Qifrey using a spell that stops rain from touching him is basically Infinity.
"Why are you going outside in this weather without an umbrella!? Aren't you going to get wet!?"
Qifrey: "Nah, I'd win."
確かに五条とキーフリーの比較はもう飽きられてるけど、雨を防ぐ魔法はまさに無限だよね。
「こんな天気に傘もなしで外に出るの!?濡れないの!?」
キーフリー「いや、勝つのは俺だ」普通くん+59
ChicaneryFinger
Anyone who walks into the middle of a rainstorm is bound to get soaked.
With the exception of Qifrey, of course.
せやな。雨の中歩いてったらそりゃ濡れるわな。
でもキーフリーは別格やからなwww2ちゃん+34
Atharaphelun
>And now we even have Gojo's voice actor playing the role of Olruggio.
What on earth is that yee-yee ass facial hair though?
確かに!五条の声優がオルルジョを演じてるのやばすぎるッ!
でもあのヒゲはマジで何なんだよ…「イェーイ」って感じのダサさがウケる(笑)感情くん+34
Se7en_Sinner
It's only appropriate his "roommate" has a "beard".
確かにゴジョーの声優がオルルジョを演じるってのは面白いね。
あの髭は確かにちょっと変だけど、「同居人」が髭生やしてるのって何か納得できる気がする。普通くん+54
Zemahem
Lmao it also caught me off-guard cause he's got a pretty-boy face. But I think it'd work better if his hair was longer.
草、ワイもそれ思ったわw
五条の声優やのに髭がクソダサすぎるやろwww
顔はイケメンやのに髭だけ浮いてるンゴ
髪伸ばした方がマシやと思うわ2ちゃん+20
cyberscythe
sadly not everyone has the genetics for a Commander Riker beard, and it's not something magic can fix
確かに、リカー司令官みたいな立派な髭は遺伝子レベルの問題だからな…魔法でもどうにもならないのは残念だね普通くん+8
finnjakefionnacake
you've never seen a goatee before?
五条の声優がオルルジョか…草
そのヒゲなんだよwww ヤンキーかよ2ちゃん+5
Haha91haha
And for Jojo fans we got Bruno and Diavolo in the same episode. Don't trust that man who needs help Olruggio! lol
同意。五条とキーフリーの比較はもう飽きてるけど、雨を防ぐ魔法の使い方は良かったよね。
ジョジョファン的には同じ回でブルーノとディアボロが出てきて笑った。助けを求めるあの男を信じるな、オルジオ!って感じだなw普通くん+25
Frontier246
Olruggio: "Qifrey, I don't know about this guy. He has the taste of a liar."
Olruggio「Qifrey、このやつ信用できんわ。嘘つきの匂いがプンプンするンゴwww」
ジョジョファン的にはブルーノとディアボロが同じ回に出てきて草生えたわ。
助けを求めるやつは信用するなよOlruggio!ww2ちゃん+18
NanDemoKnaives
Yeah when I heard Konishi Katsuyuki's voice, I was like "This guy might be important".
確かに!小西克幸の声聞いた瞬間「この人重要キャラだな」って思ったわw普通くん+10
a1oner_bvcksn6
If we're going to compare characters from different titles, then I swear Agott is just a girl/witch version of Sasuke. They way she doesn't want to babysit Coco and her tunnel vision on getting better/stronger, and now she wants in on this job--she's rushing to get to somewhere because, who knows, she may just be another "avenger"
五条とキーフレイの比較はもう飽きたって人多いけどさ、キーフレイが雨避ける魔法使うシーンはガチで草
【返信】
違う作品のキャラ比較するなら、アガットって完全に女版サスケやん。ココの子守りしたくないし、強くなることしか頭にないし、今回の仕事にも食い下がるし。急いでどこかに行こうとしてる感じ、もしかしたら復讐者なのかもなって思うわ2ちゃん+17
namewithak
She was a lot more polite to Coco this episode at least. Her not wanting to interact with Coco wasn't personal since she also wasn't interacting with any of the others.
それな!少なくとも今回のエピソードでアゴットがココに対してすごく礼儀正しくなってたのはエモすぎる。ココと関わりたがらなかったのは個人的な理由じゃなくて、他の誰とも交流してなかっただけってのが胸熱すぎるッ!感情くん+20
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
Issue with that is Coco is her roomie. She can easily avoid the others by locking herself up in the room and burying her head in her studies.
If she didn't say all those hurtful things, it's fine. But until she addresses the elephant in the room, Coco will constantly feel the need to bother her to get her approval, if not try to make it up to her--seeing as how she's made Coco feel like a royal screw up to this point.
確かにそれはそうだな。ココはルームメイトだから、他の人みたいに部屋にこもって勉強に没頭すれば避けられるってわけじゃないし。あれだけ傷つくこと言っておいて、その問題に触れない限り、ココは承認欲求からずっと彼女にちょっかい出し続けちゃうだろうな。今まで散々ココをダメ人間扱いしてきたわけだし。普通くん+13
flybypost
She's the (often) dark haired loner prodigy archetype of sports/shonen anime.
確かに!アゴットってまさに魔法使い版サスケじゃん笑
暗い髪で孤高の天才タイプって、スポ根や少年漫画のテンプレすぎるwギャル+13
rondosparks
原文
And he we go. The Main cast is finally complete and BEST BOY ~~REAL GOJO~~ i mean OLRUGGIO IS FINALLY HERE!!! A nice calm quiet episode but it appears a storm is starting to brew up....
Important note for anyone who enjoyed the first half of the episode. This manga does have a spinoff as well called Witch Hat Atalier Kitchen that's basically just a mini daily life cooking manga. Its adorable and worth reading as well.
ついに来たね。メインキャストが揃ったし、ベストボーイの~~リアル五条~~じゃなくてオルルジオがついに登場!落ち着いた静かな回だったけど、嵐の予感がしてきたな…
エピソード前半が好きだった人への大事な情報。この漫画には『とんがり帽子のアトリエ キッチン』っていうスピンオフもあるんだ。ミニ日常料理漫画で、めちゃくちゃ可愛いから読む価値あるよ。普通くん+94
SpiderTechnitian
Wait are you deadass that sounds hilarious
Does it keep to the same magic system and everything? That's just more lore!
待ってマジで言ってるの?それ最高すぎるんだけどッ!
- 同じ魔法システムを維持してるの?それって単なる追加設定じゃん!
- もっと教えてくれよ、しんどいわ感情くん+8
YourEyesDown
It is 100% same magic system and everything. It's very cute and takes place in the gaps throughout the story, so there may be mentions of mainline story plot but it's off to the side. Don't worry about it.
同意、完全に同じ魔法システムだよ。本編の合間の出来事で、めっちゃ可愛い感じ。メインストーリーにちょっと触れることもあるけど、あくまでスピンオフだから気にしなくて大丈夫。普通くん+19
Ponchorello7
This is straight up one of the most beautiful anime I've ever seen in the last couple of years.
マジでここ数年で見た中で一番美しいアニメすぎるッ!優勝。感情くん+87
MeatballZeitgeist
Wonder how the drying spells distinguish unwanted rainwater from body moisture. It'd be *dreadfully embarassing* to cast your wholesome let's-have-a-picnic-in-the-rain spell and turn yourself and your apprentices into desiccated husks.
乾燥呪文ってどうやって不要な雨水と体の水分を区別してるんだろうな。もしピクニック用の雨の中で楽しむ呪文を唱えたら、自分と弟子が干からびて死ぬって考えると*めっちゃ怖い*よね。普通くん+84
GrumpySatan
Don't forget its forbidden to cast magic on the human body. So its probably doesn't affect body moisture at all. We saw with Coco's pyreball and cooking that you can adjust the strength with the sigil. So it probably is only strong enough to pull moisture from clothing/air and not through the skin barrier.
Though you could probably make the sigil's stronger to do that if you're evil.
せやな、人体への魔法禁止ってルールあるし、多分体の水分には影響せんやろ。ココの火球や料理で見た通り、印で強さ調節できるんやから、服や空気の水分だけ引っこ抜く程度の強さってことやな。
でも悪意あるなら印を強くして人体からも吸い取れるようにできそうやけどな……( ゚д゚)2ちゃん+88
El_grandepadre
Maybe his specialty is light/heat, like how Qifrey's is water. She did mention a warm feeling.
確かに!彼の得意分野は光とか熱とかかもしれないな。キーフリーが水属性なのと同じで。彼女も「温かい感じ」って言ってたしな!感情くん+6
kkrko
Isn't only Forbidden to *write* spells on the human body, not necessarily *using* spells on human bodies? Because the latter is a bit broad, and you can argue that stuff like windowways would be Forbidden as well.
確かに、人間の体に*描く*のが禁止で、*使う*のは別って話だよね。後者は範囲広すぎて、ウィンドウウェイズみたいなのも禁止になっちゃうしな。普通くん+6
GrumpySatan
原文
Its both. Its forbidden to both write spells directly on the human body, and also spells that directly affect or use the human body. Indirect affects are fine.
Don't forget the rules/list for "forbidden" is completely made up by witches. As explained a few episodes ago, the point is basically to limit magical atrocities.
That is what makes Coco's spell from E1 forbidden. Its a spell that affects the human body. Think of how much damage Coco's spell did drawn by an amateur with only a tiny sigil. Now picture a fully trained witch doing it with a sigil the size of a person, knowing that will make the affect go much farther and be more potent.
確かにその通りだ。人体への直接的な呪文の記述と、人体に直接影響を及ぼす魔法の使用、両方が禁じられているという考察は正しい。間接的な効果は問題ないという線引きも重要だ。
さらに踏み込むと、「禁書」リスト自体が魔法使いによって恣意的に作られたものだという点は見逃せない。数話前の説明を踏まえると、これは魔法による残虐行為を制限するための方便に過ぎないと解釈できる。
だからこそ、ココが1話で使った魔法が禁術とされる理由が明確になる。あれは人体に直接作用する魔法だ。アマチュアが小さな印で描いただけでもあれだけの被害を生んだ。熟練の魔法使いが人間大の印で同様の魔法を行使した場合、どれほどの破壊力になるか想像するだけで恐ろしい。まさに制作陣の意図が読める伏線だな。考察くん+33
namewithak
原文
Considering healing magic is forbidden, that definitely includes using spells on human bodies since it will alter a human's body in some way.
RE:winddowways, Qifrey specifically says "teleportation without the use of windows or doors are forbidden". The teleportation spell is acting on the physical portal (ie, door, window, etc) and not on the body. It's like doing a videocall I guess. The phone or computer lets you see and hear the other person, not directly projecting it into your eyeballs or brain. Or like using the flying shoes. It lets you fly but the magic is not actually directly interacting with your body.
I think the delineating line is magic is forbidden if it'll change something about the way the body works on a basic level.
せやな、回復魔法禁止ってことは人間の体に直接魔法使うのアウトやろ。体に何らかの変化を与えるからな。
RE:winddowways
キーフリーが言う通り「窓やドア使わん転送は禁止」や。転送魔法は物理的な出入り口(ドアとか窓)に作用してるだけで、体には直接触れとらん。ビデオ通話みたいなもんやな。電話やPCがあって初めて相手の声や姿が見えるわけで、直接眼球や脳に投影しとるわけちゃう。飛行靴も一緒で、飛べるようにしてくれるけど魔法が直接体に干渉しとるわけやない。
つまり線引きは「魔法で体の基本的な機能を変えるかどうか」ってとこやろな。2ちゃん+15
kd5499
原文
Unless it's a quirk of magic to be that unless a sigil is drawn specifically on the body, it cannot affect it, or that because magic performed on humans is forbidden, the spells themselves are drawn/taught to work on the environment only. Since we see that Coco can draw magic that affects the body, we don't know if the sigils she drew had any component that allows the magic to target humans as well
確かに、魔法が人体に影響を与えるかどうかは、描かれる印の種類や環境限定の仕様って線がありそうだね。ココが人体に影響する魔法を使えたのは、その印に人間を対象にする要素が含まれてた可能性もあるし、そこはまだ謎だね。普通くん+14
valar0morghulis
I figured it's kinda like a hairdryer
せやな、ドライヤーみたいなもんちゃうか(笑)2ちゃん+12
blueechoes
Pretty sure the water sigil only does atmospheric and liquid water, otherwise there is no way it would be cleared for safe use by the magic police and hailed as one of the keystone sigils of magic.
確かに!水の印は空気中の水分とか液体の水だけに作用するってことだよね。じゃなきゃ魔法警察が安全って認めるわけないし、魔法の基本印として崇められることもないって!ギャル+9
ObvsThrowaway5120
Qifrey telling Coco to learn by integrating magic into her daily life like cooking was pretty sound advice.
Things were a little tense with Olruggio at first but it seems Coco might be winning the guy over.
Keen to see if Agott is going to be able to prove herself in this little rescue op.
キーフリーがココに「料理みたいに日常生活に魔法を溶け込ませて学べ」ってアドバイスするシーン、実に合理的な指導法だよな。最初はオルジオとの空気がピリついてたけど、どうやらココが彼の心を開かせつつあるみたいだ。アゴットが今回の救出作戦で自分の力量を示せるか、そこが注目ポイントだな。考察くん+72
Frontier246
>Keen to see if Agott is going to be able to prove herself in this little rescue op.
I feel like there's a bad tendency for characters who crave real world experience in a profession to not be actually ready for said real world experience, but maybe that's just because I think Agott needs a little more humbling.
確かに。現実の経験を求めるキャラが実際にはその経験に耐えられないパターンはよくあるよね。でもアゴットはもう少し謙虚になる必要があると思う。普通くん+27
Skelthy
I hope she gets humbled more, I'm still miffed about her deceiving Coco with the first trial
同意。アゴットにはもっと謙虚になってほしい。最初の試験でココを騙した件、まだムカついてるし。感情くん+13
cyberscythe
> Qifrey telling Coco to learn by integrating magic into her daily life like cooking was pretty sound advice.
i think it's also the same thing with learning a language; spending all day looking at kanji readings is dry and intangible, but struggling with a seinen manga makes it feel more real and anchored to reality, and i find it easier to build mental associations that way
キーフリーがココに「料理のように魔法を日常生活に取り入れろ」と指導したシーン、実に合理的な教育論だと思う。言語学習にも通じる話で、一日中漢字の読み方だけを追うのは無機質で実感が湧かないが、青年漫画に悪戦苦闘することで現実に根ざした感覚が得られる。そうすることで脳内の関連付けが格段に構築しやすくなるという考察ができる。考察くん+23
raveno19
Olruggio went form "I will turn this kid to the police" to "If anything happened to this kid, i would kill everyone in this room and then myself" in half a day.
オルルジョ、半日で「このガキを警察に突き出す」から「この子に何かあったらこの部屋の全員を殺して俺も死ぬ」に変わってて草普通くん+67
CooroSnowFox
"if anything happened to this kid or this idiot in the glasses..."
「もしこの子かメガネのバカに何かあったらな…」ってやばくね!?笑
最初は「警察に突き出すぞ」とか言ってたのに、今じゃ完全に過保護パパじゃん!まじでキャラ変わりすぎて草ギャル+31
HolyDragSwd2500
Say hello to my magic glyph rings
「この子を警察に突き出す」から「この子に何かあったら全員殺す」に変わったオルルジオ、最高だな。魔法の指輪よ、こんにちはって感じだね。普通くん+21
LimeyLassen
I wanna see a witch with enchanted brass knuckles now
せやな、魔法のブラスナックル装備した魔女とか見てみたいンゴwww2ちゃん+6
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I really love the consistency when it comes to magic in this show. First the way the glowing stone magic worked by being a pressure plate. But then even more so that it uses the exact same core that Agott is currently working on. Obviously makes sense since it's both light magic, but it really helps in building the foundation for the system.
Also, from a story perspective, I could see this being a way for Coco to connect with Agott. Because this is the magic that made her love magic in the first place, she might be more into it and can even help Agott get better at it. Or it goes the exact opposite way and Agott hates Coco for being good at this type of magic. But I hope it is the first one.
On a different note, I wonder how the whole pen situation is going to be solved. Coco didn't get one after all. They could make her stone more "sharp" so that she can draw smaller objects, but I feel they might be going somewhere else with that. Because I remember I had a math teacher in school that could draw really well circles on the black board and we were always impressed. But he then explained that it's easier to draw a good circle if you can just use your whole arm for it. But when you want to draw a smaller circle on paper, you have to learn to draw it with your wrist. So I wonder if the author might actually apply this in some way to Coco having to learn to draw smaller circles or if she finds a way to get around it.
このアニメの魔法体系の一貫性が本当に好きだな。まず光る石の魔法が圧力板として機能してたところから始まって、さらにアゴットが今取り組んでるのと全く同じコアを使ってるのがいい。両方とも光の魔法だから当然だけど、システムの基礎をしっかり築いてる感じがする。
ストーリー的にも、これがココとアゴットの繋がりになるかもね。だってこの魔法がココに魔法を好きにさせたきっかけだから、彼女がより熱中してアゴットを助ける可能性もあるし、逆にアゴットがココを嫌う展開もあり得る。でも前者であってほしいな。
ペン問題はどう解決するんだろう。ココは結局ペンもらえなかったし。石を尖らせて小さな物体を描けるようにする手もあるけど、別の方向にいく気がする。昔の数学の先生が黒板にきれいな円を描けてすごいと思ったけど、腕全体を使えば簡単だって言ってたんだよね。でも紙に小さな円を描くには手首の使い方を覚えないといけない。作者がこの考え方をココの小さな円を描く学習に応用するのか、それとも別の方法を見つけるのか気になる。普通くん+67
JzanderN
原文
> But then even more so that it uses the exact same core that Agott is currently working on.
The great thing about the magic system is that as you learn all the cores of magic, you start being able to see it in all the other spells they are casting.
There may be a *lot* more going on that we don't know about with more complex spells, but you can still see the base of how it works. They're not incomprehensible symbols meant to look fancy, we just don't know enough to read more than the basics.
せやな、アガットが今やってるのと全く同じ核を使ってるってのがまた良いんよな。
魔法システムの何がすごいって、核を覚えていくと他の呪文にもそれが見えてくるってとこやろ。
複雑な呪文になるとワイらが知らんもっとすごい仕掛けがあるんやろうけど、それでも基礎の部分はちゃんと見える。
適当に凝った記号並べてるだけじゃなくて、ワイらが基本しか読めてへんだけってのがガチで良いわ。2ちゃん+43
RedRocket4000
原文
Love this system for how we can understand and enjoy it. I love Silent Witch's system because it mirrors realities Sciences stuff is really really complex and not fully understood but everything is expressed in math because everything is made up of math. The author there of course has not came up with the actual system just the practical effects part that like this story do have understandable workings.
確かに。アゴットが今やってるのと全く同じ核を使ってるってのがまた良いよね。
このシステムは理解して楽しめるのがいいと思う。サイレント・ウィッチのシステムも好きだよ、現実の科学と同じで複雑で完全には理解できてないけど、すべてが数式で表現されてるからね。もちろん作者は実際のシステムまで考えてるわけじゃなくて、実用的な効果の部分だけだけど、この物語みたいに理解可能な仕組みがあるのは良いと思う。普通くん+14
Dazzling-Primary4909
People in the fandom have already made spells for washing machines, guns, flamethrowers etc. So if a person is willing to learn about the magic system in detail, they can certainly create their own magic spells.
せやな、ファンが既に洗濯機とか銃とか火炎放射器の魔法作ってて草
ちゃんとシステム理解すれば自分で魔法作れるってのがガチで面白いンゴwww2ちゃん+21
ModieOfTheEast
I like this a lot too. Which is why I am wondering what the symbol for the pot was. Was that the core for actual time magic? The arrows were round, so maybe this was just resetting it into a prior state like they did last week. Just not for the magic circle, but an object.
確かにそれもいいよね。で、あの壺の印は何だったんだろう。もしかして時間魔法そのものの核なのか?矢印が丸くなってたから、先週みたいに単に以前の状態に戻しただけかも。魔法陣じゃなくて、物体に対してだけどね。普通くん+10
fhota1
The magic system in Witch Hat is probably my favorite part. There are wikis with the various sigils in them and what they do and people have made Spell Generators where you can go and make spells that would probably work in setting because everything is so rules based.
この作品の魔法体系は本当に秀逸だと思う。実際に有志が作ったシジル一覧のWikiや、作中ルールに則ったスペルジェネレーターまで存在するほど設定が緻密に構築されている。あの光る石の魔法がどう機能するかも、すべては描かれたルールに基づいているのが素晴らしい。考察くん+25
ModieOfTheEast
Oh, I am already making my own collection. I want to see what I can do once the series ends.
せやな、ワイももう自分用に収集しとるわ。連載終わったらどんだけ魔法システム理解できてるか楽しみやンゴwww2ちゃん+12
flybypost
Don't tempt me like that!
やめて誘惑しないでくれッ!そんな情報あるの知ったら絶対Wiki見まくっちゃうじゃん……しんどいッ!感情くん+9
Frontier246
It's fantastical but practical at the same time! I feel like the more Coco learns the more she'll be able to bring her pure magic fantasies to life.
確かに!ファンタジーでありながら理にかなってるのがいいよね。ココが学べば学ぶほど、彼女の純粋な魔法の夢を現実にできるようになると思う。普通くん+19
flybypost
原文
> They could make her stone more "sharp" so that she can draw smaller objects, but I feel they might be going somewhere else with that.
I think they might go for something that's a mix of both: A *pencil*!
> But when you want to draw a smaller circle on paper, you have to learn to draw it with your wrist.
You actually still benefit from drawing with your shoulder/arm at smaller scales (like on a regular page). It's only when it gets really tiny (like at the size of written words) that you need to rely mostly on the precision of your wrist/fingers.
> 石をもっと「尖らせ」て小さなモノ描けるようにできるかもな、でも多分別の方向にいく気がするわ
両方のいいとこ取りで来るんじゃね? *鉛筆*!
> 紙に小さな円描く時は手首で描く練習しなきゃなんだけどな
実際は小さいスケール(普通のページとか)でも肩・腕で描く方が有利やで。字の大きさくらいになって初めて手首・指の精密さに頼る感じやな。2ちゃん+14
MinuteReputation8806
If I'm not mistaken, Coco's pen is shown in the Opening. It's the blue and white object we see fall at the end of the song.
確かに言われてみればそうだね。オープニングでココのペン映ってるの、青と白の物体が最後に落ちてくるやつだよね。普通くん+11
kd5499
原文
Somehow I feel like not addressing the stone gets a little more frustrating every episode since Qifrey has seen her get beautiful lines with it, and from his background he should possibly know some people's tools need to be a bit more specialised. Atleast we saw in this episode that Coco says that her stone isn't great for small paper, so there's some attention on it. Maybe the way forward for her would probably be to use harder material like cloth(should be light enough to carry), or to just use a larger medium. The convenience of a small notepad is what's standard and traditional but if you suck at it, maybe you get a larger notebook to draw magic in. That or she learns to utilise her skills as a seamstress to make clothes with magicals sigils in them that way she only needs to connect certain parts of clothing to make her magic.
せやな、キーフリーの立場からしたら石の扱い無視するの毎回イライラ度上がるわ。彼女があれだけ綺麗な線描けるの見てるのに、道具の専門性わかってるはずやろ。今回ココが「小さい紙には石向いてない」って言うたのは一歩前進やけどな。
ワイの予想やと:
・布とか硬い素材で試すべき(持ち運び軽そう)
・デカいノート使うのも手
・伝統の小さなメモ帳にこだわる必要ないやん
・それか裁縫スキル活かして、服に魔術記号縫い付けて服の一部繋げて魔法発動とか?
どっちにしろ今のままじゃ限界来るンゴwww2ちゃん+8
ModieOfTheEast
原文
While it could be an opportunity for Coco to just draw everything bigger, I doubt this can be the perfect solution. After all, the strength of the magic is determined by how large the core is as explained today. So if you are unable to properly change its size, you might not be able to adjust your magic as you need to.
I feel, first they need to figure out what exactly the problem is. So does Coco just need a pen that has a similar shape (so that it fits her hand better) or is she truly just more comfortable when she can use her whole arm to draw/cut. If the latter is the case, they might need to apply some form of "perspective magic" where her results are just altered in size appropriately. But I am not sure how you can make that work. It is more than just magic glasses after all.
確かに、石の話を避けてる感じが毎回もどかしくなるよね。
ココが全部大きく描けるようになるって可能性もあるけど、今日の説明だと魔力の強さって核の大きさで決まるんだよな。だからサイズを適切に変えられないと、思うように魔法を調整できなくなるかも。
まずは問題の本質を突き止める必要があると思う。ココは単に手に合う形のペンが必要なのか、それとも腕全体を使って描く方が本当に楽なのか。後者なら「遠近法魔法」みたいなのを適用して、結果だけサイズ調整する方法を考える必要があるかもね。でも魔法のメガネ以上に複雑そうだし、どう実現するかはよくわからない。普通くん+16
Falsus
原文
The problem is that paper is cheap, especially for a society of witches in WHA where paper manufacturing would be very, very important.
Cloth on the other is not cheap, you can't make disposable cloth pages without it racking up quite a serious bill I would imagine.
At the end of the day, it is just for Coco to bite the bullet and get better at the smaller things even if she will probably remain better with large, broad strokes. Kinda the opposite of Richie who was mentioned to be very good with small sigils. Since I don't think you can become a proper witch without being good at both the smaller and bigger stuff.
せやな、紙は安いんは分かるけど、WHAの魔女社会じゃ紙製造が超重要やろしな。
一方で布はクソ高いから、使い捨ての布ページ作るだけでとんでもない請求来そうやんwww
結局ココは細かいことにも慣れるしかないんやろな。大雑把な線は得意やけど、リッチーみたいに小さい印章が得意なやつとは真逆やし。小も大も両方できなきゃ一人前の魔女になれんと思うわ。2ちゃん+7
Kankunation
I don't think they are really going for Coco trying to work around what she knows souch as she has to just learn new things. Like Quifrey said, she's like a newborn learning these tools for the first time, and she will get better over time with them. Sheay just have a particular fondess/affinity to certain types of spells. Perhaps ones with lots of straight lines since she's very good at those.
確かに、ココは知ってることをどうにかしようとしてるわけじゃなくて、新しいことを学んでるだけなんだろうね。キーフリーが言ってたみたいに、彼女は道具を初めて使う新生児みたいなもんで、時間とともに上達していくんだと思う。特定の魔法に特別な親和性があるだけで、直線が多い魔法は特に得意みたいだしね。普通くん+5
nikobans
OLLY!!!! finally!!! now both dads are here, and i finally know how to pronounce olruggio's name!! 😩
オリーーー!!!待ってました!!これで両方のパパ揃ったし、ついにオルルッジョの名前の読み方もわかった!!😩感情くん+58
Shimmering-Sky
原文
- That’s a pretty bird.
- Oh, you never did?
- Interesting use of magic.
- There we go.
- Hah, that’s a fair reason to master water magic.
- Richeh continues to be great lol.
- Aha, the guy with the beard is finally here! Was wondering when he’d show up since I knew he was voiced by Yuuichi Nakamura.
- Coco hiding under Qifrey’s cape is cute.
- Dang…
- Hah.
- Oh, that’s neat. …so of course Coco starts lying down on them hahahaha.
- Coco “sore demo”!
- Very pretty shot.
- Does the test include being able to draw magic circles without looking?
- 綺麗な鳥だね
- え、知らなかったの?
- 面白い魔法の使い方だな
- よし、これでいい
- 水魔法を極める理由としては納得だわ
- リチェが相変わらず最高すぎるw
- ああ、ついにひげのおじさん来た!中村悠一が声当ててるって知ってたからいつ出てくるか気になってたんだよ
- ココがキーフリーのマントに隠れてるの可愛い
- うわ…
- はは
- お、それはいいね…ってココがすぐに寝転がり始めるのかよwww
- ココの「それでも」!
- すごく綺麗なカットだね
- 試験内容に魔法陣を目隠しで描くの含まれてるの?普通くん+56
flashmozzg
> Does the test include being able to draw magic circles without looking?
Considering she was practicing a light spell, maybe it's done in darkness or something?
確かに!試験って暗視とか関係あるのかな?暗闇で魔法陣描けるか試すとか、めっちゃエモい設定じゃん!?感情くん+37
Shimmering-Sky
Ah, that *would* make sense.
ああ、それは確かに納得だね。普通くん+25
flybypost
> …so of course Coco starts lying down on them hahahaha.
Qifrey is not beating the allegations that he's just collecting stray cats.
> Does the test include being able to draw magic circles without looking?
I think that test might be about adverse conditions in general. Agott also used the distraction of the noise from the storm to practice.
> そりゃココは当然のようにその上に寝転ぶよなwww草
キーフリー、野良猫集めてる疑惑がまた一つ濃厚になったンゴwww
> 試験って魔法陣をノールックで描けるかも含まれてるの?
いや試験全体が悪条件下での対応力を見てるんやろな。アゴットも嵐の騒音を集中力の練習に使ってたし。2ちゃん+30
mekerpan
\>> That’s a pretty bird.
They took such care in presenting that bird that it made me wonder if we will see it again....
あの鳥、すごく丁寧に描かれてたよね。また出てくるのかなって気になるな。普通くん+7
blueechoes
Chekov's bird
あの鳥、絶対伏線だよね…!チェーホフの鳥って呼びたくなる。細かく描き込まれてたもんな、絶対また出てくるッ!感情くん+6
WiqidBritt
Passing the test allows her to use magic in public, to be able to do that while maintaining the secret of how magic works, you'd need to be able to hide what you're doing while still drawing the spell accurately enough.
確かに、試験に合格すれば公の場で魔法を使えるようになるけど、魔法の仕組みを秘密にしたまま描くのは難しいよね。正確に描きつつ隠す技術が必要ってことか。普通くん+5
MokonaModokiES
原文
> Does the test include being able to draw magic circles without looking?
i think it ties in with hiding magic. Since you cant just freely pull out your paper and pen in front of a crowd of civilians as that would just directly give away the secret.
its the same for the usual trick magic you see on the streets where they distract the audience so they miss out where the secret of the trick is. Like in this video that breaks down a famous trick from penn and teller:
>試験内容に「魔法陣をノールックで描けるか」みたいなの入ってんの?
それって多分「魔法を隠す」ってのと関係してるンゴね。一般人が大勢いる前で紙とペン取り出したら秘密バレバレやしな。
街で見かける手品も同じで、観客の目をそらして種を見せないようにしてるやん。ペン&テラーの有名なトリックを解説してる動画みたいな。2ちゃん+5
szalhi
*Delicious in Atelier.*
*とんがり帽子のアトリエ*、美味しそうだね。普通くん+55
Equivalent-Weather59
I was watching that scene while eating some plain bread for breakfast, and I immediately went "damn, I failed Senshi, I need to take better care of my nutrition".
>>*Delicious in Atelier.*
朝飯にただの食パンかじりながらそのシーン見てたら「あ、ワイ、センシに申し訳ないわ。栄養管理ちゃんとせな」ってガチで思ったンゴwww2ちゃん+29
maliwanag0712
Atelier Meshi, Atelier Meshi.
やばっ!「アトリエ飯」って呼ぶのまじでアリじゃね?笑 てか絶対それで行こう!ギャル+29
CooroSnowFox
There are cookbooks from WHA...
「それな」って感じだね。WHAの料理本あるらしいよ。普通くん+22
Syokhan
There's even a whole spin-off dedicated to cooking. It's as mouth-watering as you think.
それな!スピンオフで料理特集とかやばくない!?想像しただけでよだれ出ちゃうんだけど笑ギャル+31
FarCritical
Oooohh, Atelier Meshi.
あー、確かに「アトリエ飯」って呼ばれてるやつか。普通くん+7
Haha91haha
The most potent spell: Hamburger.
やばくね!?最強の魔法がハンバーガーってまじで草wwwギャル+18
BuckeyeBentley
Cheese on top of the bun is diabolical tho, real Brimmed Hat behavior
「でもバンズの上にチーズ乗せるのは悪魔的すぎるだろ、まさにとんがり帽子のやることだわ」普通くん+6
Zemahem
Senshi's gonna flip over them relying on magic for cooking. At least early on.
やばくね!?センシ、魔法で料理してるって聞いたら絶対ブチギレだよ笑 少なくとも最初はね〜ギャル+14
misc_reddit_account
Yes! This episode soothed the Dungeon Meshi withdrawal in my soul. Senshi would have been giving a thumbs up to Qifrey's thoughts on food, as well.
草!この回でダンジョン飯ロスが癒やされたわ
センシもキーフレイの食への考えにガチで同意してそうやな2ちゃん+11
Frontier246
The truest magic of all: cooking.
確かに、料理こそ最高の魔法だね。普通くん+5
No_Name0_0
原文
Man everytime I hear Qifrey guiding the kids like that with Hanae's voice, I'm just reminded of how much Tanjiro would've been the same caring big brother to his siblings
Olruggio seems great so far, had valid reasons but got quick change of hearts. wonder if it's speciality is heat/fire opposed to Qifrey's water
Glad to see someone got the pointy hats drips right looking at the Knights. Also love how brushbuddy is the whole household pet not just Coco's
草マジか。キーフレイが花江の声で子供たち導いてるの聞くたびに、炭治郎もああやって弟妹に優しい兄貴やってたんやろなって思うンゴwww
オルジオは今んとこ好感持てるわ。ちゃんと理由あって改心も早いし。キーフレイが水属性なら、オルジオは熱・火属性なんか?気になるンゴね
騎士見て「とんがり帽子のドリップわかってるやつおるやん」ってなったわ。あとブラッシュバディがココだけのペットじゃなくて一家のペットなの草。それな2ちゃん+52
HolyDragSwd2500
Dad Tanjiro and now we have Dad Gojo
確かに!炭治郎パパから今度は五条パパかよって感じだね普通くん+19
faceplant911
Mr. Watchful Eye here is even worse at watching over stuff than Qifrey is apparently, and that's his whole job... A whole-ass new apprentice shows up for what has to be several days if not a couple weeks, and this man be like "wha- how-" I mean sheesh.
ワイの目が節穴すぎるやろ……キーフリーより監視できてないの草www
しかも数日から数週間も新しい見習いが来てんのに「え?なんで?」ってアホ面かましてるンゴwww
ガチで仕事しろや2ちゃん+48
Prof_Acorn
Hahaha that's hilarious. He literally has one job, to notice things, and he was the last one at the atelier to notice.
ウケるwww マジで笑った。「監視」が仕事なのにアトリエで一番最後に気づくって……Qifreyより酷くない?!優勝だわこの人w感情くん+25
BluespadeChariot
He literally has multiple jobs. The watchful eye bit is very much a side job.
確かに、彼のメインの仕事は他にあるしね。「監視の目」はあくまでサイドジョブだわ。普通くん+32
namewithak
That only makes it worse.
それな!むしろ逆効果じゃん笑 本業あるのにサイドで監視とかやってるってやばくね?まじで余計怖いし!ギャル+9
Elvenoob
To be fair if i was in Olruggio's position and went on a work trip for like a week or two I would NOT expect to come home to a husband who just adopted a whole ass additional child while I was gone.
確かに!オルルジオの立場で考えたら、1〜2週間の仕事に行って戻ってきたら、留守中に夫が勝手に子どもをまるごと1人養子にしてるって、絶対予想できないよね…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん+12
MRV-12
…And he’s apparently the last man in ALL of magic land to hear about it. 😆
マジで!?しかも魔法界で最後にその情報知ったの彼じゃね?笑 情報収集が仕事なのにやばすぎん?wギャル+8
towardselysium
The isolated children who live in the woods have a better gossip network than someone who works for the wizard cops
確かに、森に住んでる隔離された子供たちの方が噂話のネットワークはしっかりしてるっての、魔法警察で働いてる人としてどうなんだって感じだよねw普通くん+8
zool714
It’s really not fair when they pair Brushbuddy up with Richeh. The adorable-ness is too damn high
Also, funny how people pointing out similar designs for Qifrey and Gojo, then in walks a character who’s voiced by Gojo’s VA lol
このブラッシュバディとリチェの組み合わせ、反則級にかわいすぎるだろ…。制作陣は計算してやってるな、これは。
あと、キーフリーと五条悟のデザインが似てるって指摘があったけど、そこに五条役の声優が演じるキャラが登場するって、まさに制作側の遊び心を感じる。意図的なメタ要素の入れ方だよな。考察くん+47
misc_reddit_account
原文
We didn't have a dragon this week, but we did meet Olruggio, so close enough. I'd been looking forward to seeing Yuichi Nakamura's Olruggio, who did not disappoint, but I wasn't expecting a northern accent for Olly in the English dub at all. I pleasantly surprised how well it worked for Olly as a character, and it aligns well with Olly also being from the north in WHA. Dub!Olly: you wot mate? (Reagan Murdock can use the same accent for Aki in the next season of Chainsaw Man, it'll keep things unpredictable.) If you're not watching the English dub, it is very much worth checking out. After all the Qifrey/Gojo jokes, it's also hilarious to actually now have Gojo in the Japanese cast.
As with Episode 2, Episode 6 wasn't as high stakes as the episodes before it, but it was still a really dense and important character focused breather episode. Finally Olruggio is introduced, more context to the Knights Moralis is given, it seems like Coco and Agott both are in parallel with their studying struggles after lessons learned in the labyrinth, and Coco is inspired by Qifrey's lessons in the present while finding out it was Olruggio's spell that made Coco drawn to magic in the past. Seeing Aggott repeatedly practice drawing a circle with her eyes closed for muscle memory was impressive, and anyone trying to do work can relate to Coco hyping herself up to draw before immediately flopping in misery.
It was such a beautiful episode, too, between Agott practicing her glyphs, the lunch, the picnic under the bridge, the rainbow, and Coco finding the glowstones.
I'm continually impressed with how magical works in the WHA world on a practical day to day level, from the stew pot, heating the yams, Qifrey's anti-rain bubble, the glowstone path, and Olly's warming ring. As with the slyph shoes, it's clever that Olly's rings only activate with the sigil is complete between the two halves. Ditto to the glowstone path. I should say, I am very glad Qifrey wasn't intending to give Coco food poisoning, and that Olly's ring would be very popular with any witch with long hair. Dyson Airwrap who?
I am in both Dungeon Meshi and Frieren withdrawal, so I thoroughly enjoyed that this episode not only explored the love and importance of cooking food together, but how even a more mundane day can lead to wonderful things, and learning important life lessons can happen in the most gentle of ways. Episode 6 in general felt very emotionally satiating in that regard, though not physically, as I really, really want to eat that sandwich.
As with Episode 5, Qifrey can turn from mild manner teacher into a far more intimidating figure on a dime. Meanwhile, Olly was very intimidating with his introduction, yet ended the episode air drying a soggy brushbug and apprentice with a ring. Can't judge a book by its cover.
The show seems to be continuing its going set-up and pay-off pattern with its episodes, with Episode 6 being a mix of character, world building, and set-up, so I'm both curious and worried for what will happened in the next with the storm for the pay-off.
草、今週はドラゴンこそ出なかったけどオルルージュ来たからセーフやろwww
中村悠一のオルルージュ楽しみにしてたけど、マジで期待裏切らんかったわ。でも英語吹き替えで北部訛りくるとは思わんかったンゴ。でもキャラに合ってて逆に良かったわ。ダブオルル「おいおいおい」って感じやな。チェンソーマン2期で村上さんが同じ訛りでアキやったら草生える。
6話も5話みたいにそんなに緊張感ある展開じゃなかったけど、キャラ掘り下げの濃い息継ぎ回やったわ。
・オルルージュの初登場
・騎士モラリスの詳細
・ココとアガットの修行並行描写
・過去の魔法への興味が実はオルルージュの魔法だった伏線回収
アガットが目閉じて円描く練習してるのガチですごかったし、ココがやる気出しては即バテるの共感しかない。
飯回と日常回の良さよ。ダンジョン飯とフリーレンロスだったワイにはドンピシャやったわ。サンドイッチ食いてえ…
Qifreyの温和な教師→威圧モードの切り替えエグいし、オルルージュは登場時は怖かったのに最後はビショビショのブラッグバグと弟子を指輪で乾かしてて草。見かけによらん。
次回の嵐で何が起こるか楽しみでもあり怖くもあるンゴねぇ…2ちゃん+36
JzanderN
原文
I haven't said this before because every episode's always had so much going on to talk about, but I've been feeling some vibes around Agott since episode 3.
It's pretty obvious that she's going to come around on Coco and accept her at some point, but I've got a strong feeling that she's going to crush **HARD** on her after that. I'm talking full on Amity from Owl House here (minus the abusive mother).
I don't know if the series will actually end up going full yuri between them, but that's the vibe I've been constantly getting from their interactions and I *needed* to get that out there somewhere.
Anyway, Olruggio! The watcher over this atelier who's a lot more concerned about following the rules than Qifrey is, and is also the one who created the spell that made Coco love magic! What a coincidence. Speaking of people coming around on Coco, he really folded like paper once he saw her love for magic that Qifrey was telling him about.
Also, no matter what genre of it is, anime ALWAYS finds a way to fit a cooking episode in. Japanese artists are just addicted to drawing food porn, I suppose.
アゴットがココに惹かれてくのは確実だよな。でもその後が本番で、ガチで恋に落ちるんじゃないかな。オウルハウスのアミティみたいな感じで(母親の虐待は除く)。百合展開になるかはわからないけど、二人のやりとりからは常にそんな雰囲気を感じてたんだよね。
オルジオについては、キーフレイよりルール重視だけど、ココの魔法への情熱を見てすぐに折れたのが面白い。彼が作った魔法でココが魔法を好きになったっていう偶然もね。
それと、どんなジャンルでもアニメは必ず料理回を入れてくるよな。日本のアーティストは飯テロ描くの好きすぎるんだろ。普通くん+44
jahnny06
You are so right
確かに!それな!ずっと思ってたんだよな…毎回情報量多すぎて言えなかったけど、やっぱそうだよな!感情くん+7
thelightlovekindled
Cooking with gas with that yuri headcanon, we can only hope you've got Apollo's dodgeball coming.
確かに、その百合解釈は熱いな。アポロのドッジボール編が来るのを願うしかないね。普通くん+7
Elvenoob
原文
... I mean Agott does seem SUPER pressured to be good at magic and I'm not sure that'd come from anywhere other than her home life? It's not like just a witch society norm because the other girls are chilling.
She's just got a new not shitty dad now instead of having to redeem the less shitty of her bio parents.
I do think Agott was part of the inspiration for Amity, though, so while I don't know if it'll be official or not, the vibes are *absolutely* there. Tho I think the girls all look maybe a year or two too young to be thinking about anyone in that way yet, so it's probably going to be *slow* slow burn if it is a thing.
And speaking of characters getting new dads, Olruggio does seem fun. For some reason all those coincidences didn't bother me tbh, maybe just the fairytale vibes the series has?
確かにアガットの魔法へのプレッシャーは尋常じゃないよな。同年代の他の少女たちがリラックスしてるのを見ると、やっぱり家庭環境由来のものだという考察ができる。実の親よりマシな存在として、新しい父親的な存在を得たという点も興味深い。
アガットがアミティのインスピレーション源だったという説には同意。公式かどうかはともかく、雰囲気は確実にある。ただ、登場人物たちが恋愛を考えるには1〜2歳若すぎる気がするから、もしそういう展開があっても超スローバーンになるだろうな。
新しい父親キャラとしてのオルルージョも面白い。あれだけの偶然の連続も、この作品の童話的な雰囲気のおかげで気にならなかったんだろうな。考察くん+5
Primo29
Olruggio now at lost seeing a child admire his magic so much when that said child was supposed to be transferred by him to their magic cops LOL
オルルジオ、自分が魔法警察に連れて行くはずだった子供にこんなに憧れられるなんて、複雑すぎるだろw普通くん+40
ritoshishino
we finally get to meet Olruggio, the man who would have prevented episode 3 (Daldah Range test) from happening had he done his job properly
also that line from Coco "JOUZU NI YAKEMASHITA" when she managed to bake the yam has to be a monster hunter reference lol
ついにオルルジョ登場か。あいつがちゃんと仕事してれば第3話(ダルダー山脈の試験)は起こらなかったのにって話やな
あとココが芋焼けた時の「ジョーズニ・ヤケマシタ」は完全にモンハンリスペクトやろ草2ちゃん+38
thisisdropd
原文
When I first saw the heavy rain, I thought to myself how great it would be if Qifrey had a sort of weather control spell and guess what he did less than a minute later?
Olruggio's a dour man but he's got quite the heart. He could snitch Coco off to the Knights Moralis as he had first intended, but ultimately relented after having a talk with Qifrey and getting to learn Coco better.
>*I don't want you catching a cold. I'm watching you after all.*
Coco's got not one, but two tsunderes around her. Looks like she's already used to that treatment from how she brushed his remarks off.
Yuuichi Nakamura has finally made his debut in this series as Olruggio. Imagine all the memes had he instead been cast as Qifrey.
最初あの大雨見たとき、キーフリーが天候操作の魔法とか持ってたらいいのにって思ったんだけど、まさか1分も経たずにやるとは思わなかったよな。
オルジオは厳つい見た目だけど、結構心優しいよね。最初はココをモラリス騎士団に突き出そうとしてたのに、キーフリーと話してココのことを知ったら折れてくれるとか。
> *風邪ひかせたくないんだよ。ちゃんと見てるからな。*
ココの周りにはツンデレが一人じゃなくて二人もいるのか。彼女はもうその扱いに慣れてて、軽く流してたね。
中村悠一がついにこのシリーズにオルジオ役で登場か。もし彼がキーフリー役だったらどんなミームが生まれてたか想像してみてよ。普通くん+38
WhoiusBarrel
Shit got so real the instant the water droplets stayed in place, at least it didn't devolve to a fight but Qifrey was more than ready to throw hands.
やばくね!?水滴が止まった瞬間、マジで空気変わったんだけど笑 喧嘩にはならなかったけど、キーフレイ完全に戦闘態勢入ってたじゃん!てかあの構え、マジでかっこよすぎたわ〜ギャル+32
Equivalent-Weather59
This was a "saving budget" episode, and it still looked gorgeous. I really love how tactile magic feels; the animation really shows what living with magic would feel on the senses.
このエピソード、予算節約回って言われてるけどそれでもめちゃくちゃ綺麗だったね。魔法の触感がすごく伝わってくるし、アニメーションが魔法と共に生きる感覚をしっかり表現してるのが好きだな。普通くん+35
Frontier246
That scene with the four-winged bird + the rainbow was so beautiful!
あの四つ羽の鳥+虹のシーン、ガチで美しすぎやろ!草生えるわwww2ちゃん+28
unga_bunga_mage
This SoL episode had more budget than all of S3 of OPM.
確かに。日常回であれだけ動かせるのすごいよね。触れる魔法の質感表現が特に良かった。普通くん+13
CooroSnowFox
The Sol episode between it all getting some treatments in itself.
確かに!Sol回、めっちゃ丁寧に作られてて泣いた。タクタイルな魔法の感じがエモすぎるッ!感情くん+9
OddTea74
This show is beautiful.
このアニメ、めっちゃ綺麗だね。普通くん+31
RedHeadGearHead
Just make a sound cancelling field Agott. Gotta learn some creativity and problem solving skills if you want to a good witch.
アゴット、音消しのフィールド張れよ!いい魔女になりたいなら創造力と問題解決能力身につけなきゃなッ!感情くん+32
zevix_0
True but practically witches would have to be able to work under pressure in chaotic environments to be effective in real-life situations. Training too much under ideal conditions would make her unprepared for that.
確かに。でも実戦じゃ魔女は混沌とした環境でもプレッシャーの中で動けないとダメだし、理想的な条件で練習しすぎると逆にそれに対応できなくなると思う。普通くん+27
cyberscythe
or craft a cone of silence, just like in Get Smart
「アゴット、防音フィールド作っとけばよかったじゃん」「Get Smartのサイレンス・コーンみたいな」って話? 確かにそれな!もっと創造性と問題解決能力を身につけろってことか。アゴットには足りないところだなッ!感情くん+18
RedHeadGearHead
I'd assume so, think of it like Qifreys anti rain barrier but for sound. Not directly doing anything to her ears.
せやな、キーフレイの雨避けバリアみたいなもんやろな。音に対してだけのやつで、直接耳に作用するわけちゃうわ。2ちゃん+12
Haha91haha
Whole episode was like one of those YT ambient rain chill study videos that you can fall asleep to, in a good way, just such a gorgeous ambience and vibe with the rain persisting throughout to tie the episode together.
エピソード全体が、雨がずっと降り続いてて、YouTubeの雨音の作業用BGMみたいな雰囲気だったな。良い意味で眠くなれる感じ。とにかく美しい空気感とバイブスが最高だった。普通くん+28
hydranoid1996
Welcome back dungeon meshi
「ダンジョン飯、帰ってきたーッ!!待ってた!優勝すぎる!」感情くん+29
PeaceAlien
Olruggio has appeared, seems Coco has already won him over. Agott is still rejecting Coco, or maybe she's just too focused on her own goals.
The end of the episode makes me worried it could be a trap after the last adventure the girls went through.
オルルギオが登場したな。どうやらココはもう彼を味方につけたようだ。アガットはまだココを拒絶しているが、あるいは自分の目標に集中しすぎているだけかもしれない。
エピソードの終わり方を見ると、前回の冒険の後だから罠なんじゃないかと心配になる。考察くん+29
mekerpan
I think Agott is just a plain old loner -- it is not like she associates any more than she has to with the other apprentices. We see her rejecting Coco more because Coco is probably more persistent at trying to engage her still (or maybe she will NEVER give up).
確かに、アガットは元々一匹狼タイプだよね。他の見習いとも必要最低限しか関わってないし。ココの方がしつこく話しかけてるから余計に拒否られてるように見えるだけかも。普通くん+11
StrawSolider
Yeah....I don't think I could eat a 2 year old stew even with that explanation behind it lol
えー…説明聞いても2年もののシチューはさすがに食えないわ笑
まじ無理じゃね?ギャル+25
CooroSnowFox
I think something like that does exist somewhere, one thats been boiling for x decades and only just gets topped up?
確かに、何十年も継ぎ足し続けてるスープって実際にあるらしいね。でも2年はちょっと無理かな(笑)普通くん+17
fhota1
Perpetual Stew. Was mainly in like the late middle ages although youll still see the concept occasionally, with obviously way more concern for health and safety standards
それどこかにあるって話よく聞くよな。数十年間煮込み続けて、時々継ぎ足すだけのやつ。
中世末期ぐらいにあったらしいンゴwww 今でもたまにコンセプトだけは見かけるけど、健康と安全基準のことはガチで気にしてそうやな。2ちゃん+39
that1dude317
Theres a guy on tiktok doing it. He hit the 1 year mark like a week ago.
え、まじで!?TikTokでやってる人いるんだ!1年も継続とかやばくね!?笑ギャル+6
cyberscythe
i was thinking about those soup shops which just continually top up their central stew
as long as you keep the temperature above the danger zone, it should be fine, and apparently that shop reports that it does actually clean the pot every night (saving and simmering the contents somewhere else overnight)
それって、ずっと継ぎ足ししてるスープの店のことだよね。温度管理さえちゃんとしてれば問題ないって話で、その店は毎晩ちゃんと鍋を洗ってるらしいよ(中身は別の場所で保存して煮込み直してるんだって)。普通くん+12
flybypost
Just imagine it as a perpetual (and perfect) freezer!
確かに2年越しのシチューは無理があるわwww
でも永久冷凍庫って考えたらちょっとエモくない!?感情くん+16
jardex22
Or pickles. Or any canned goods, really.
I'm guessing the stuff we find in the supermarket is a few months old by the time we pick it up.
This is just a better jar.
確かに。冷凍庫とか缶詰とか、スーパーで買うものってすでに数ヶ月経ってることもあるしね。これはただのより良い保存容器ってことか。普通くん+11
ptd163
原文
It's not 2 years old though. It's only been two years since Qifrey cast the spell, but local to the stew, it's as good as new because Qifrey put it in a loop. The ingredients and taste does not decay.
It's like water that Coco washes fabric in a the very beginning of the series. As soon as Coco is finished and leaves the water completely reverts back to as if she was never there. Only difference the spell needs to be reapplied at times.
確かに2年経ってるように見えて、キーフリーがかけたループ魔法のおかげで現地時間では全く劣化してないんだよな。素材も味も腐敗しないっていうのがポイント。
これはココが第1話で布を洗った水と同じ原理だと思われる。ココが作業を終えて離れると、水が元の状態に完全に戻る。唯一の違いは、この魔法は時々再適用が必要ってことだけ。つまり、見た目の時間経過と実際の保存状態は別物という考察ができる。考察くん+15
Elvenoob
It's a one minute old stew that has been reliving that one minute for 2 years. Big distinction.
せやな…ワイも2年物のシチューは無理やわ草
でも1分を2年ループしとるだけやからな。そこは大大大違いやろwww2ちゃん+10
extralie
Second dad's approval acquired!
第二のパパの認証ゲットじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル+25
yawnman240
It’s funny that Olruggio basically has a “KEEP OUT!” sign like a teenager.
I’m often bored or disinterested by magic systems in the fantasy genre, but the way this series does it is so appealing.
Agott being able to adapt and practice through the noise was admirable.
オルルジオがまるでティーンエイジャーみたいに「立ち入り禁止!」ってサイン出してるの笑えるな。
ファンタジー作品の魔法システムって大抵退屈で興味持てないんだけど、このシリーズの描き方はすごく魅力的だと思う。
アゴットが騒音の中で適応して練習できたのは立派だったね。普通くん+28
JordanTH
"Where are you, brushbuddy?" is just me every time brushbuddy isn't on screen for at least 5 seconds.
「どこだよブラシバディ!」←ブラシバディが5秒でも画面から消えると毎回これ言うの草2ちゃん+27
Syokhan
原文
I was already hungry before the episode started and they had to show all this great-looking food...
Integrating magic into Coco's daily life for her to naturally become better at it was really good advice from Qifrey. Seeing how much she loves magic that shouldn't be much of a chore...
... wait, was it his plan all along? To skirt out of cooking duties by having Coco gladly pick up the task instead? Qifrey! :p
New character in the episode, too. Olruggio seems like a nice enough guy when he's not being taken by surprise by his friend unexpectedly breaking the law.
Also, I think I heard Katsuyuki Konishi at the end?
【考察】
まず料理描写の件、確かに空腹時にあのクオリティの作画は反則だよな…。
そしてキーフリーの「魔法を生活に取り入れる」指導法についてだが、これは単なる練習方法ではなく、ココの好奇心を最大限活用した戦略だと考察できる。
ココが魔法を心底愛している点を考慮すると、彼女にとって魔法の練習=苦痛ではなく喜びとなる構造を作ったわけだ。しかし…待てよ。もしかするとキーフリーは料理当番をココに押し付けるために、この教育方針を最初から計画していた可能性があるな?その狡猾さが憎めないけどな!
新キャラのオルジオは、キーフリーの法解釈の自由さに驚かされる場面がなければ、かなり良い奴に見える。あとエンディング近くで小西克幸さんの声が聞こえた気がするんだが、これは次回以降の展開に関わる伏線だろうか?考察くん+25
CooroSnowFox
Normally anime do involve heavy training arcs and not to just simply get better by adding it into what you do daily.
Qifrey probably is the type to want to shirk off them when it's possible... "Oh the washing needs done... TRAININGGGG TIME!!!"
確かに。普通のアニメだと修行編が長かったりするけど、この作品は日常に取り入れて自然に上達する感じが新しいよね。
キーフリーは「洗濯しなきゃ…修行だ!」みたいに、面倒なことから逃げるタイプっぽいしな(笑)普通くん+9
ali94127
I hope Yuichi Nakamura plays another scruffy middle-aged man in Dungeon Meshi for the trifecta.
それな!中村悠一のボサボサ中年男性キャラ集めすぎでしょwwダンジョン飯でもやってくれたら優勝なんだけどッ!感情くん+24
finnjakefionnacake
is he middle-aged in any of the shows he's in though? he seems like late 20s/early 30s in this and daemons. maybe mid 30s in daemons.
せやな、でも中村悠一ってどの作品でも中年っぽくないやん?この作品とかデーモンズでも20代後半〜30代前半くらいに見えるわ。デーモンズなら30代半ばぐらいかも。2ちゃん+6
HeihachiHayashida
Finally, the real Gojo has appeared!
ついに、本物の五条が現れたね!普通くん+19
rondosparks
After biting my tongue hearing all of the Gojo jokes for the past month, its funny to finally be able to say that Gojo is in this show.
草、やっと本物の五条が出てきたか
ここ1ヶ月色んな五条ネタに耐えてきたけど、ようやく「このアニメに五条おるやん!」って言えるのが笑えるわwww2ちゃん+14
CooroSnowFox
The way Richet looks at meat... And Qifrey looking adorable explaining the cooking
Olruggio having the Yrkshr/Northern accent in the dub... and Im just thinking of the O2 adverts again...
リチェがお肉を見る目が最高…そしてキーフリーが料理の説明してるのが可愛すぎる
オルジオの吹き替えで北部訛りになってるの聞くと、またO2のCM思い出しちゃうんだよな…普通くん+24
FarCritical
First recipe of Chef Hat Atelier: Cheese Top Burger! (Not to be confused with the other one)
Realizing it's too rainy for an outdoor picnic and being able to pretty much go "And?" is both such a power move and would be a quality of life improvement to kill for
「シェフハットアトリエ」第1のレシピ:チーズトップバーガー!(あの別の作品と混同しないでね)
雨で外ピクニックが無理っても「で?」って言えるの、めちゃくちゃパワームーブだし、そんな生活の質向上、喉から手が出るほど欲しいわ。考察くん+24
ARES_GOD
原文
This was a great episode after last week's hype vs the dragon we got a lot of character development and world building and also setting things up for the future.
The first part with Qifrey feeling like a mentor to Coco was great actually teachintg her and giving her the attention she needs and a lot of mentor characters in anime fail at this.
But then we got introduced to Olruggio who seems like a very interesting character and it feels like Coco already won him over with her love of magic and him being the creator of the magical bricks.
What made me think was his position as a watchful eye I am still not sure if what we were told about why magic is hidden is the truth or someone just wanted to control it so this position of an observer is interesting in both situations keeping an eye so smaller ateliers dont use forbbiden magic or if you look at it the other way if the powers that be wanted to keep more control over magic.
Also I am really curious about Agott and all the build up she has gotten where they go with her character and then we also have this carriadge incident is it an actual incident or a trap ?
I have a video review if anyone is interested. Thank You.
先週のドラゴン戦からの流れで今週はキャラ掘り下げと世界観説明が多かったな。ワイ的には結構良かったで。
最初のキーフリーがココにちゃんと教えてるシーン、師匠キャラとしてガチで良いわ。こういうの他のアニメだと失敗しがちやん。
んで出てきたオルルジオ、めっちゃ面白いキャラやな。ココが魔法への愛で既に心掴んでる感あるし、魔法レンガ作った本人ってのも熱いわ。
気になったのは「監視役」って立場やな。魔法が隠されてる理由、ワイはまだ信じきれてへん。誰かが支配したいだけかもやろ。監視って立場はどっちに転んでも興味深いわ。小さな工房が禁術使わないか見張るか、あるいは上層部が魔法を統制したいか。
アゴットの伏線も気になるし、あの馬車の事件、本当に事故なんか罠なんか。ワイは罠やと思うンゴwww
動画レビューもあるで、興味あればどぞ。2ちゃん+19
HolyDragSwd2500
Coco: I love your magic
Olruugio tsundere mode: you can stay here
ココの「あなたの魔法大好き!」ってセリフ、やばくない!?
で、オルルージョのツンデレモード「ここにいろ」って…まじで萌えじゃん!笑ギャル+17
deynyel
Damn, Qifrey's seriously ready to throw hands to protect Coco. I wonder what his connection to the Brimmed Caps are? Must be something serious if he's willing to go that far not to lose his only lead Coco.
キーフリー、ココを守るためなら本当に手を出す覚悟あるんだな。ブリムドキャップとの関係って何なんだろう?ココっていう唯一の手がかりを失いたくないって理由だけじゃ済まないくらい、何か重大な事情がありそうだね。普通くん+20
Frontier246
原文
Coco and Agott are not the most natural study buddies. Agott just needs ABSOLUTE silence so she can focus on her skybeam (?) spell.
Coco is really trying her best to be a true witch who can cast spell, not one that just comes up with ideas to support her fellow apprentices, but it's difficult when she still doesn't have a wand pen that really fits her. She might have the heroic resolve of an anime protagonist to never give up and persist, but she's also a kid who gets sleepy!
Thankfully Qifrey is there to lend her his arm and also help her apply what she HAS learned in such a way to further reinforce and strengthen her magic...in cooking! Not only does magic help preserve food super conveniently, but it's also a great tool to cook and Coco can take her pyreball and master it to the point of properly heating up a carapace yam! Nice work there Qifrey.
Why not make this a picnic? Sure, Agott won't do it and the rain is a mood killer, but Qifrey didn't become a master of water to avoid being wet for nothing! And there's nothing more beautiful than natural magic like a rainbow popping out after rainfall!
Coco tries to do something nice for Agott, whether Agott wants her or not, and runs into yet another surly dark-haired individual at the Atelier, Olruggio (Yuichi Nakamura!) who immediately after finding out Coco is an outsider made apprentice tries to turn her in to the Knights Moralis because she's too much trouble. But once again Qifrey proves you do NOT want to mess with him (or his investigation into the Brimmed Caps) even if you're a close friend.
Olgruggio is a "watcher's eye," an individual who watches over and keeps tabs on ateliers to make sure the witches aren't doing anything shady...so Qifrey is probably lucky that Olruggio is his best friend (and not heartless) so he's willing to let the Coco thing slide. For now. Provided they don't cause a big mess he'll have to report.
I love how frizzy Tetia's hair gets because of the rain.
Coco just can't catch a break. She just wanted to help her and Brushbuddy avoid a Japanese cold and she has to walk in and see the most intimidating guy she's ever met after a not so stellar first meeting. And he's NOT into visitors! But Olruggio despite his gruffer demeanor genuinely does feel it's his duty to watch over and takes care of the kids, and even dries Coco/Brushbuddy off, and as luck would have it HE invented the light step magic that Coco adores! And when he sees her winning Coco smile and her pure love of magic, even Olruggio can't help but think how much of a waste it would be if it was taken away from her.
Katsuyuki Konishi, what are you doing in this anime!? And bringing warning of a collapsed bridge, his son in trouble, and an opportunity for Agott to get outside experience that she's been chomping at the bit for. Hope it turns out okay.
ココとアゴットは決して相性の良い勉強仲間とは言えないな。アゴットはスカイビーム(?)の魔法に集中するために絶対的な静寂が必要なんだろう。
ココは本当に努力している。仲間を支援するアイデアを出すだけの存在ではなく、真の魔女として魔法を唱えられるようになりたいと。でも、自分に合った杖ペンがまだないから難しい。アニメ主人公のような不屈の英雄的決意を持っているが、それでも眠くなる子どもなんだよな。
ありがたいことにキーフリーが腕を貸してくれて、彼女が学んだことを応用させて魔法を強化する方法を教えてくれた…料理でな!魔法で食材を便利に保存できるだけでなく、調理にも役立つ。ココはパイアボールを習得してカラペースヤムを適切に加熱できるようになった。キーフリー、素晴らしい仕事だ。
これをピクニックにしない手はない?確かにアゴットは参加しないし、雨は気分を削ぐが、キーフリーは濡れないために水の達人になったわけじゃない。雨上がりに虹が現れるような自然の魔法ほど美しいものはない。
ココはアゴットに何か良いことをしようとするが、またもやアトリエで不機嫌そうな黒髪の男、オルルジオ(中村悠一!)に出会う。彼はココが部外者の見習いだと知ると、面倒すぎるからと騎士団に引き渡そうとする。だがキーフリーは、親友であっても彼(とブリムドキャップの調査)に手を出すなと考察くん+19
Aileos
This is the ultimate upgrade for an umbrella
これは傘の究極の進化系だね普通くん+21
eggplant_avenger
these brimmed hats are probably awful people but this whole magic society of theirs really needs some anarchy.
a party cadre living in their atelier, magic police whose job is to enforce morality, presumably a tiny group of elites gatekeeping magic itself
このブリムハット連中、多分クソみたいな奴らばっかやろうけど、こんな魔法社会にはマジでアナーキーが必要やわ。
- アトリエでぬくぬく暮らすパーティー幹部
- 道徳を押し付ける魔法警察
- 魔法そのものを独占するクソエリート集団
草生えるわwww2ちゃん+19
namewithak
原文
Kinda weird for a "Watchful Eye" to be away from the place he's supposed to be watching for so long. How long has Coco been there? At least a couple of weeks surely.
Between Qifrey's rain shield, the water dragon and wallbreaker from last week, and the crystalizing spell from the first ep, I think the anime is doing a good job showing how powerful magic can be. All magic needs is the special ink and the sigils so anyone with the ink can just make hundreds of copies of whatever water magic they want to induce drought in countries or drown whole cities. Four 12-year-old girls atomized several whole buildings last week. That's pretty terrifying. How was anything left after the war Qifrey mentioned? No wonder magic is so restricted now.
Edit: Accidentally deleted this part dammit:
But this episode also shows how beautiful and gentle magic can be. The vibe was so cozy and warm. The music, animation, and the character acting were all so lovely together. I was just smiling and sighing enviously throughout the cooking and picnic scene. Magic in WHA feels very tactile and that makes potential for both extremes really compelling.
「監視の目」が本来監視すべき場所からあんなに長期間離れるのは奇妙だな。ココがアトリエに来てからどれくらい経ったんだ?少なくとも数週間は経ってるはずだ。
キーフリーの雨よけの魔法や、先週の水竜と壁破壊、1話の結晶化魔法を見る限り、このアニメは魔法の持つ圧倒的な力を上手く表現できていると感じる。必要なのは特別なインクと図形だけだから、インクさえあれば誰でも水魔法の複製を何百も作り出して、国全体を干ばつに陥れたり都市を水没させたりできる。先週は12歳の少女4人がビル群を跡形もなく粉砕した。恐ろしい話だ。キーフリーが言及した戦争の後、なぜ何かが残っていたのか。魔法が今あれほど制限されているのも当然だ。
【追記】うっかり消してしまった部分を再掲:
だが今回のエピソードは、魔法がどれほど美しく優しいものかも示していた。あの雰囲気はとても居心地が良く温かかった。音楽、アニメーション、キャラクターの演技が全て調和していて、料理とピクニックのシーンではただ微笑みながら羨望のため息をつくばかりだった。WHAの魔法は非常に触覚的で、そのことが両極端の可能性を本当に魅力的なものにしている。考察くん+16
Druplesnubb
Pretty sure Coco's only been at the Atelier for a couple of days. They still haven't had time for a second visit to Kahln to give her a proper pen yet.
確かに!ココがアトリエに来てまだ数日だもんな。まだカーンに戻ってちゃんとしたペンも渡せてないって、時間経過エモすぎるッ!感情くん+15
Android19samus
She was at the Dadah range for less than a full day. She gets there around noon, attempts the climb in the evening, makes her airboat/glider overnight, gets the plant at dawn, and then gets back while it's still morning.
ダダー山脈にいたのは丸一日もないんだよね。正午ごろ着いて、夕方に登ろうとして、一晩でエアボート/グライダーを作って、夜明けに植物を取って、まだ朝のうちに戻ってきたっていう。すごいスピードだな。普通くん+7
dude_1818
Yes, and this is the fifth day. Totally reasonable amount of time to be away on a job. And it's not like he's stated to always be away like this
せやな、もう5日目か。仕事で出かけるには妥当な期間やろ。しかも毎回こんな感じでいなくなるってわけでもないしな。2ちゃん+5
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
I'd like to believe Agott's warming up to Coco and is getting used to her being around, but she's likely just so focused on her own personal baggage/growth that she really couldn't care less and is trying really hard to tune out every nuisances--Coco included.
And for a moment I really thought she may be feeling a bit guilty for how she belittled and verbally battered Coco two episodes ago that she may be considering on apologizing, but of course it was merely the stupid noises that were bothering her lol
アゴットがココに心を開いて、一緒にいるのに慣れてきたのかと思いたいけど、多分ただ自分のことに集中しすぎてて周りの雑音(ココ含む)を無視するのに必死なだけだと思う。
一瞬、2話前のココを見下してボロクソに言ったことに罪悪感持ってて謝ろうとしてるのかと思ったけど、やっぱただの騒音が気になってただけだったねw普通くん+17
KimBeanie77
As expected for a slower episode but finally 'the other dad' is here.
I kinda want to see the shaved olly without the beard.
おっ、今回ゆったりめの回だったけどついに「もう一人のパパ」来たじゃん!髭剃ったOllyも見てみたいんだけど〜笑ギャル+15
Throwaway785320
I don't mind the alternating episodes of SoL into more action/set piece moments
日常回とアクション回の切り替えは全然気にならないな。いいバランスだと思うよ。普通くん+17
Zemahem
原文
A nice and (mostly) relaxing breather episode. It is pretty intuitive of Qifrey to suggest that Coco integrate her magic with normal chores. After all, lots of advancements throughout history came from simple needs and wants. I thought for sure Qifrey was just gonna control the weather again for their picnic, but the anti-rain bubble is cute too.
Guess it makes sense for distant ateliers like Qifrey's to have some sort of watchdog if the witch higher ups wants to keep a tight leash on everything. And it's nice that since he's gotten to know Coco better, Qifrey has seemingly become more invested in making sure her memories aren't wiped, even outside of the important information she knows about.
But it's interesting that Olruggio says it's not their job to investigate. I guess Qifrey's acting independently? Though he was talking to someone about Coco, so maybe he's more of a secret agent for someone (or a group of someones) that not even the witch police can know about.
And wow, Olruggio is basically the guy who inspired Coco's love for magic. He switched up on Coco real fast too lmao. But no one can blame him for quickly warming up to just the sweetest cinnamon roll.
考察できる要素が多いエピソードだった。キーフレイがココに魔法を日常の家事に取り入れるよう提案したのは非常に直感的な判断だ。歴史的に見ても、多くの進歩は単純な欲求から生まれている。キーフレイがピクニックでまた天候操作をすると思い込んでいたが、あの雨除けバブルもなかなか可愛い。
キーフレイのような辺境のアトリエに監視役がいるのは、魔女の上層部が全てを統制しようとしているなら納得がいく。そしてココと深く関わるようになってから、キーフレイが彼女の記憶消去を防ぐことに積極的になっているのが興味深い。重要な情報以外も守ろうとしている点が、彼の心情の変化を如実に物語っている。
オルルジオが「調査は俺たちの仕事じゃない」と言ったのが意味深だ。キーフレイは独自に動いているのか? 彼が誰かとココについて話していたことを考えると、魔女警察すら知らない組織の秘密エージェント説も浮上する。
そして何より、ココに魔法への愛情を植え付けたのがオルルジオだったとは。彼のココへの態度が急変したのも笑えるが、あの天使のような存在に心を開くのは誰も責められないだろう。考察くん+16
RoachIsCrying
That melted cheese burger looks delicious
あのチーズバーガー、美味しそうだね普通くん+15
Nachtwandler_FS
I wonder if she will find a right replacment for her stone to draw or will just solgier the thing?
えっそれ気になるじゃん!石の代わりになるもの見つけるのか、それともそのまま無理やり進むのかどっちだろ!?ギャル+12
Volfaer
原文
Qifrey is a really good teacher, making learning part of a simple task is not easy, but he helped Coco put another fundamental brick in her foundation. That bright sky in the rain spell also was a great display, as witches, they just can do stuff like this.
Finally the introduction of Olruggio, as much as he complained about the situation, he is the one not doing his job by staying locked in his room for over a week, and he’s way softer than he looks by having such a reaction to a compliment.
And so we have the first normal crisis of the atelier, let’s see how witches handle and river flood and endangered people.
キーフリーは本当に良い先生だよね。簡単な作業に学習を取り入れるのって難しいのに、ココにまた一つ基礎を築かせてあげた。雨の中に明るい空を見せる魔法もすごかった。魔女ってそういうことができるんだな。
そしてオルジオ登場。部屋に一週間以上こもって仕事サボってたくせに、結構文句言いながらも実は見た目よりずっと甘いやつで、褒められたらあんな反応するし。
アトリエ最初のピンチ到来。魔女たちが川の氾濫と困ってる人々にどう対応するか楽しみ。普通くん+13
alconnow
Richeh and Brushbuddy are too cute
Brushbuddy's stuffed cheeks!!!!!!
I really appreciate all the Brushbuddy close-ups
Coco and Brushbuddy's faces lmao
リチェとブラッシュバディ可愛すぎるッ!
ブラッシュバディのほっぺたパンパンなの最高すぎる!!!
ブラッシュバディのアップ多めなの神すぎる、感謝しかない
ココとブラッシュバディの顔芸ww 無理、優勝感情くん+14
TheSeventhCoIumn
The magic glowing tile mechanism being activated because of the weight applied when you step on it completes the sigil and ring is so simple but genius, really love how they're explaining how these spells are set up.
魔法の光るタイルの仕組み、踏んだ時の重みで起動して印とリングが完成するって、すごくシンプルだけど天才的だよね。こういう呪文の仕組みの説明の仕方がすごく好き。普通くん+12
SYZekrom
An auditor doesn't sound very useful if they're that friendly with the person they're auditing. Well, good thing I have no desire to see an enforcement group with a name like 'moral witches' or whatever that no-quarters no-exceptions rules achieve anything
「監査役が監査対象とあんなに親しげじゃ、あまり有用に思えないな。『道徳魔女』みたいな名前の取締組織が一切の妥協なく規則を執行しても何かを達成できるとは思えない、というのが俺の見解だ」考察くん+13
towardselysium
No matter how evil the show tries to paint the brimhats, 6 episodes of Magic Gojo hiding a kid from the Magic Gestapo is not doing any favors to the idea that your supposed to be the good guys.
Oh the people who stole magic from the world and routinely mind wipe and lobotomize anyone for being curios are the good guys? Yeah right.
どんなにアニメがブリムハットを悪者に描こうとしても、マジック・ゴジョウが魔法ゲシュタポから子どもを隠すのを6話もやってると、彼らが善玉って設定には全然説得力ないよね。
「世界から魔法を奪って、好奇心を持つ人を日常的に記憶消去やロボトミーにする連中が善玉?」って話だし。冗談でしょ。普通くん+12
Prof_Acorn
Maybe the show *isn't* trying to paint them as evil. Maybe having these thoughts and questions is the point.
ワイもそう思うンゴ。別にブリムハットを悪者に描いてるわけじゃなくて、そういう疑問を持たせるのが狙いなんやろな。深いわ〜2ちゃん+13
AceSoldia
I honestly thought everyone already knew Coco did forbidden magic..didn't the rumor spread? How have the Knights not found out?
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え、マジで言ってる!?ココが禁術使ったのってみんな知ってると思ってたんだけど!噂って広まってないの?騎士団なんで気づいてないのやばくね!?ギャル+11
ali94127
I think the rumor is just that someone used forbidden magic, not that Qifrey adopted the girl that used forbidden magic and brought her into the world.
確かに、噂されてたのは「誰かが禁術を使った」ってだけで、キーフレイがその子を養子にして連れてきたってとこまでは広まってないんじゃないかな。普通くん+30
allisonhanj
Qifrey said he got special permission to take her in, presumably the higher-ups already know what happened or he stretched the truth a little bit
キーファイが特別に許可取って引き取ったって言ってたしな。上層部は既に事態把握してるか、ちょっと話盛った可能性あるンゴwww2ちゃん+14
djthomp
Agott & Coco, Qifrey & Olruggio, I'm sensing a pattern here. Dark and serious witch forever annoyed by their bright and cheerful witch friend. Though it may be a bit early for friend.
The whole bit at the end where we learned about the lighted path magic was really cool.
Secret police with mind magic seems like a bad combination.
アガットとココ、キーフリーとオルジオ、なんかパターン見えた気がする。ダークでシリアスな魔女が明るく陽気な魔女の友達にいつもイライラされてる感じ。でも友達って言うにはまだ早いかも。
最後に光の道の魔法について知れた部分はめっちゃかっこよかったな。
記憶魔法を持った秘密警察ってやばい組み合わせだと思う。普通くん+14
puzzlingcaptcha
I loved how the brushbuddy goes from an excited 'Bi! bi! bi! bi!" as it scampers into Olruggio's study to a deflated 'Mbiii...' as it got caught.
Coco's reaction at learning that the stew was two years old was also great.
このブラッシュバディの描写、めちゃくちゃ細かいところまで作り込まれてるよな。オルルジョの書斎に駆け込む時の興奮した「ビ!ビ!ビ!ビ!」という鳴き声から、捕まった時のしょんぼりした「ンビィ…」への変化、この音響演出だけでキャラクターの感情表現が完璧に成立してる。
ココが二年物のシチューと知った時の反応も、彼女の純真な性格をよく表した名シーンだな。初めての魔法世界の常識に驚く姿が、視聴者と同じ目線で世界観に没入させてくれる。考察くん+13
drt0
All this talk about the Knights Moralis (sounds Inquisition-esque), Watchful Eyes (sounds Big Brother-y) and rigid codes that the magicians have to follow (strict dogma) makes me wonder if the Brimmed Hats might be more justified than is let on currently.
The way the Brimmed Witch that gave Coco the book talks about her seems to imply that they need Coco but to what end is yet unknown.
騎士モラリス(なんか異端審問っぽい)、監視の目(ビッグブラザー感ある)、魔術師の厳格な掟(ドグマ)とか聞いてると、つば広帽子連中の言い分も実は結構正しいんちゃうかって思えてきたわ。
つば広帽子の魔女がココに本渡す時の言い方だと、ココが必要っぽいけど、その目的はまだ不明やな。2ちゃん+10
Frost-Tree
So we see another use of the repitition sigil/sign (not sure which) being used here in the pot to constantly refresh the stew that is inside (apparently it was cooked 2 years ago). So uhm does this mean witches never get to starve or something? Do witches run community kitchens and give food for free? (I mean if it keeps refreshing...)
なるほど、繰り返しの印が鍋に使われてて中のシチューを常に新鮮に保ってるってわけか(2年前に作ったらしい)。つまり魔女は飢え知らずってこと?魔女がコミュニティキッチン運営して無料で食料配ってるのかな?(常に補充されるなら…)普通くん+13
kd5499
原文
Why not, if your supplies can be utilised fully without having to spoil before cooking, I'm guessing your consumption of ingredients is not as high. If it's shit season outside, as a peasant with a homestead you're probably fucked but if you're a witch, the 2 year old emergency bread and stew might get you through the night. I'm guessing it's gonna be more of a hoarder problem if you continually keep prepped food, you don't have space for anything else, so make your choice. Even Qifrey says he's needs to free the pots up, so unless space manipulation is available(probably is made forbidden) they have to manage space more than anything.
確かに、食材を無駄にせず保存できるなら消費量は抑えられるという考察が成立するな。ただ、保存食を溜め込むとスペースの問題が発生するというジレンマが興味深い。キーフリーが鍋を空けたいと言っていたのも、空間管理が重要な要素だからだろう。もし空間操作魔法が禁じられていたら、なおさら限られたスペースをどうやりくりするかが鍵になる。この辺りの設定、世界観のリアリティを高めるための伏線だと思われる。考察くん+8
CodingTangents
原文
I'm not sure refreshing means that it restores more stew, just that it won't decay or spoil. If it could instantly restore food, I feel like it would have been used a lot more rather than a one-off throwaway invention. Why would they ever have to cook again if they could put a well-baked carapace yam or something inside and pull one out any time. Then again, we didn't have a good look at its full capabilities.
確かに、リフレッシュってより腐らないようにしてるだけだと思う。もし食べ物を無限に増やせるなら、もっと活用されてるはずだよね。焼いたカラペースヤムを入れておけばいつでも取り出せるなら、もう料理する必要なくなるし。まあ、完全な能力はまだ見れてないけどさ。普通くん+5
metaaltheanimefan
Okay aside from olruggio definitly being a great character
I want those burgers theyre having. Seriously a slab of pork on a sandwich topped with melted cheese ? its emogh to make me drool at like 1 am
オルルジオが確かに素晴らしいキャラクターであることはさておき、あのハンバーガーが食べたい。厚切りの豚肉をサンドイッチに挟んで、溶けたチーズをかけたやつ…深夜1時に涎が出そうになる。考察くん+10
Magnafeana
原文
* Who is making the animation smooth as fuck? What deal with what god do you make in order to do this
* Respect. Water magic/waterbending feels like the best thing to learn.
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*sees back arch and pretty lashes on an attractive man*
*brain overload*
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* Are those aardvarks?! Oh my goodness, look at their bottlebrush tails. They’re feather dusters 🥹 I want to boop their snoots.
* Qifrey has become insanely attractive being a mother.
* 🏳️🌈🌈
* Bitch who is you?!
* Awwwww she hid in his robes. I love this 🥹
* Is this man Scottish or Irish?
* Divorced parents shouldn’t fit in front of their children.
* Fuck TERF Joanne, but I feel like mudblood is a better “muggle” slur than outsider.
* Ah. So this is how Michael Jackson in that Billie Jean MV had a glowing path. Magic.
* Gruff man softens at wholesome child, please more of that
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Really respect full-fledged witches. The stimulation/concentration effort into making sigils, I really appreciate that. And I’m curious if Agott will become too overstimulated, which leads to her drawing an incorrect sigil if she goes with Qifrey.
I think that a lot of fantasies show how utilizing a mystic ability can be difficult under stress, but that stress being normal nature sounds or of people being people, I’d like to see that more. I think that’s a great hurtle that doesn’t have an instant linear progression to it.
I’d be interested to know if Agott is ND-coded and/or if people who have read further ahead find her as that as well 🌻
I’m glad Qifrey is taking more interest in Coco’s schooling, but it just feels too soon for me to be happy about it. He more so did stay at home mothering today and helped his kid with her homework. I just need more to see him being an active educator.
I feel like a terrible person I can’t differentiate if Olruggio is Irish or Scottish in his voice. I lean toward Scottish 🏴
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- 作画ヌルヌルすぎやろwww 何の神と契約したんや
- 水魔法マジで習得したいわ。リスペクトしかない
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- 男の背中とまつ毛に脳みそバグったンゴwww
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- ツチブタか?! 尻尾ハタキみたいで可愛すぎ🥹鼻ツンツンしたい
- キーフリー、ママになってからガチで魅力的やん
- 🏳️🌈🌈
- 誰やお前は?!
- ローブに隠れるの尊すぎ🥹
- この男スコットランド人?アイルランド人?
- 離婚した親が子の前でイチャつくな
- TERFジョアンヌはクソだが「マグル」より「マッドブラッド」の方がスラングとしてマシやろ
- なるほど、マイケル・ジャクソンの光る道は魔法やったんか
- 無骨な男が純真な子供にデレるの、もっとくれ
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本格的な魔女たちにはマジで敬意。印章描く集中力ヤバいわ。アゴットがキーフリーと行って過剰刺激で印章ミスらんか心配。
ファンタジーで「ストレス下で魔法使う難しさ」描くのはよくあるけど、自然音とか普通の人間関係がストレス源ってのが新鮮でいいわ。成長が一直線じゃない壁って感じで面白い。
アゴットって発達障害描写入ってるんかな?原作既読勢の見解聞きたい🌻
キーフリーがココ2ちゃん+11
ScrapletteOnReddit
Hi! UK resident here! Not Irish or Scottish but defiently from Northen England.
おお、イギリス在住か!アイルランドやスコットランドじゃなくて北イングランド出身って感じなんだな。わかるわかる、地域によって色々違うよね。普通くん+7
CooroSnowFox
Olruggio saying when Qifrey took in Richet, Tartia and Agott that he was "settling down"... although does add more to what they add for him to have them as apprentices as well as Coco...
Olruggioが「落ち着いたな」って言ってたシーン、エモすぎる…!QifreyがRichet、Tartia、Agottを引き取って「ちゃんとしたな」って。でもCoco含めて弟子たちが彼にとってどんな存在か、より深まるよね。泣いた。感情くん+12
ReeseEseer
Favorite character is finally here!
Olly is such a treasure; grumpy on the outside but the kindest on the inside.
ついに推しキャラが来た!
Ollyって本当にいいやつだよね。ツンデレで外はぶっきらぼうだけど心はすごく優しい。普通くん+11
SkyCrossSteel
Please don’t answer this but once I saw the new character I was like “is this Agott’s dad?” Possibility still open for me. Maybe 40% sure.
「答えなくていいんだけどさ、新キャラ見た瞬間『これアゴットの父親じゃね?』って思っちゃったんだよね。まだ可能性は消えてない。確率40%くらいで確信してる」感情くん+10
S627
原文
I'm betting next ep Agott is gonna have trouble helping with all the noise in the storm and probably people yelling. You'd think she learned this lesson when a great big dragon was chasing her, but hopefully now she'll WANT Coco to annoy her so she can learn to focus.
Looks like we got a big ol'tsudere watching us now.
It really bothers me that they put the melted cheese on TOP of the bun. THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BUN IS NOT TO GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY!!!!
次回アゴットが嵐の騒音とか叫び声で集中できずに苦労する展開くるやろなあ。デカいドラゴンに追われた時学び損ねたやん、でも今度こそココに邪魔されたいって思って集中力身につけてくれたらええねんけど。
つーかでっかいツンデレがこっち見てるンゴwww
あとバンズの上に溶けたチーズ乗せるのマジでムカつくわ。バンズの意味って手汚さないためやろがい!!!!2ちゃん+10
NationalStrategy
Does Agott have any training or experience in rescue operations or working in severe weather? If not, it will probably be best to stay on the sidelines and observe.
アゴットって救助活動とか過酷な天候での作業の訓練とか経験あるの? ないなら多分、傍観して見てるのが一番だと思う。無理しすぎッ!感情くん+9
cyberscythe
based on Qifrey's track history, he's probably thinking "whatever, i'm sure kids are fine with minimal supervision"
確かに、キーフリーのこれまでの行動見てると「まあ子供たちだけでなんとかなるだろ」って思ってそうだよね。普通くん+13
NationalStrategy
Right, because that’s been working out them so far. What’s one more time?
確かに!“どうせ前回も大丈夫だったし今回も平気だろ”ってキーフレイの思考が透けて見えるよね。それがもう何度目だよって話だわ。今回もきっと“大丈夫”って思ってるんだろうな…しんどい。感情くん+5
mucklaenthusiast
原文
Coco truly is the queen of oversharing her emotional state which seems to mostly make people want to support her. Not a bad trait for a protagonist for sure.
I like Olruggio, he probably is a pretty nice person as well, just a tad more strict (not even that much, honestly)
I wonder if everyone will go on the trip?
Or just Agott and Coco...I mean, it would be kinda interesting for Coco to not join, so that's also a possibility.
ココの感情ダダ漏れ具合はマジでクイーンやなww
そんで周りが「助けたろ」ってなるんやろな。主人公として悪くない特性やわ。
オルルジオも結構いい人やと思うンゴね。ちょっと厳しめなだけで、実際そんなキツくないし。
みんなで旅行行くんかな?
それともアガットとココだけ?
ワイ的にはココが行かないパターンもアリやと思うわ。2ちゃん+7
Hoboforeternity
Coco finally meet dad's boyfriend
ココがついにパパの彼氏と会ったのか…!しんどすぎるッ…!感情くん+7
Cheesemacher
The glowing pavement in episode 1 was actually thousands of pressure plates? That's nuts. That's so elaborate.
エピソード1の光る舗装、あれ全部感圧板だったの?マジかよ。凝りすぎだろ。普通くん+9
mobpiecedunchaindan
wait. if the knights moralis are people who erase the memories of anybody who comes into contact with forbidden magic, and qifrey was gonna erase coco's memories at the beginning, does that mean that HE'S a knights moralis??? or at least defected from them???
ちょっと待て。ナイツ・モラリスって禁術に触れた奴の記憶消す組織だろ。んでキーフリーが最初ココの記憶消そうとしてたってことは、つまりコイツがナイツ・モラリスってことになるんか?? それとも脱走組とか??2ちゃん+8
maliwanag0712
> and qifrey was gonna erase coco's memories at the beginning, does that mean that HE'S a knights moralis??? or at least defected from them???
As far as I know all mages have the power to erase the memories of other people, and this is not restricted to Knights Moralis.
確かに。記憶消去の魔法自体はどの魔法使いも使えるんだよね。キーフリーが騎士団の一員かどうかは別として、彼がココの記憶を消そうとしたのはルールを守るためって感じかな。普通くん+28
S627
I'm gonna assume he just meant that he was gonna bring her to the Knights, but I can totally see him being an ex-knight.
確かに!「騎士団に連れて行く」って意味だと思うけど、元騎士って可能性もありそうすぎるッ!感情くん+16
diacewrb
> the knights moralis are people who erase the memories
The Moralis in Black.
確かに。モラリスって要するに黒衣の道化師みたいなもんだね。普通くん+9
thisisdropd
Or possibly retired/quit if that's not what you meant by defection. Perhaps he at some point became disillusioned with them. He had once stumbled upon someone in Coco's circumstances and erased their memories, an action which he came to regret afterwards.
ああ、なるほど。脱走というより、引退・離脱した可能性もあるのか。もしかすると彼はどこかの時点で騎士モラリスに幻滅したんじゃないかな。かつてココと同じような境遇の誰かに偶然出くわして記憶を消したけど、その行動を後悔するようになった——そういう考察ができる。考察くん+7
Equivalent-Mine5562
原文
This episode belonged to The Brushbuddy and Coco. The first part of the episode with Qifrey and Coco cooking together with that beautiful ost and to cap it all of with that wholesome picnic🥹🥹. This was just peak slice of Life and my heart is so full Man. Brushbuddy, can you stop being cute FFS? Coco being the passionate magic loving gremlin that she is even converted Olruggio on her side. Look if I came across Coco I would just awaken my big brother/ parental instict and just protect her with my life, she's that precious
今回のエピソードはブラッシュバディとココの回だったな。冒頭のキーフリーとココが一緒に料理するシーン、あの美しいOSTと最高のピクニックで締めくくるところがもう…🥹🥹 まさに至高のスライス・オブ・ライフで心が満たされたよ。ブラッシュバディ、いい加減可愛いのやめてくれよ。魔法に夢中な小悪魔ことココが、オルルジオまで味方にしちゃうんだもんな。俺がココに出会ったら、兄貴分というか親のような本能で命をかけて守りたくなるよ、それくらい尊い存在だ。普通くん+9
BallerinasGrace
Qifrey...Shouldn't you have told Coco about the Knights Moralis on the first day? Coco could accidentally reveal herself to them otherwise.
草、キーフリーの情報隠しガチやん。ココに最初から騎士団のこと教えとけよwww うっかりバレたら終わりやろ2ちゃん+9
allisonhanj
原文
Qifrey already got permission to take her as an apprentice. I guess we don't know exactly what he told the higher ups to get them to agree to it, but the other girls already heard rumors about forbidden magic, so it must be well known and Coco isn't in any danger walking around town in front of other witches.
Olruggio threatened to take her in because his job is to report suspicious activity, and if he showed up saying "this situation is weird and suspicious", the Knights Moralis would listen and wipe her memories.
キーフリーはもう彼女を弟子として迎える許可を得てるんだよね。上層部にどう話を通したかは詳しく分からないけど、他の女の子たちも禁じられた魔法の噂を聞いてるし、ココが街を歩いても他の魔女たちの前で危険はないってことだろうな。
オルジオが彼女を預かると脅したのは、怪しい活動を報告するのが彼の役目で、「この状況は変で怪しい」って言えば騎士モラリスが動いて記憶を消すからってことだね。普通くん+6
Aelyph
If the Knights Moralis erase the memories of anyone involved with forbidden magic, then no one outside of their organization can tell if they make any significant follow-up investigations to forbidden magic cases.
確かにKnights Moralisが禁術に関わった者の記憶を消すなら、組織外部の人間が彼らの追跡調査の有無を検証できないという点は重要だ。このシステムは彼らに絶対的な情報統制権を与えていると考察できる。考察くん+8
SMA2343
I love his threat of "You erase her memories, you do the same to mine." Which I assume isn't because of Coco but the same reason as hers that he wasn't supposed to know about magic.
「彼女の記憶を消すなら俺の記憶も消せ」って脅しがめっちゃ好き。多分ココのためってより、彼女と同じく魔法の存在を知っちゃいけない立場だったからだよね。普通くん+8
Narvalis
原文
So the morality police will not just wipe her memory but alter her personality as well? and this is on top of giving up a big lead into their biggest problem. I'm wondering how witch society doesn't have more problems, they remove witnesses instead of getting information from them, and you'd think people would notice if suddenly people ended up with memory gaps and personality changes, especially when this exclusively happens after someone has an encounter with a witch.
Could you imagine if people started getting amnesia and sometimes even personality changes and it only but not always happens when someone encounters certain profession? people would be asking question pretty quick or is there no war in Ba Sing Se?
なるほど、道徳警察は記憶消去だけでなく人格改変まで行うのか。しかも最大の問題への重要な手がかりを諦めた上で。これは興味深い考察ができる。魔女社会がもっと問題を抱えない理由が気になるな。目撃者から情報を得る代わりに排除する方針で、突然記憶の欠落や人格変化が起きたら、特に魔女と遭遇した後だけに限定されるなら、人々が疑問を持たないはずがない。
もし特定の職業と接触した人だけに記憶喪失や人格変化が起きるとしたら、すぐに疑念が生まれるだろう。それともここは「バ・シン・セに戦争はない」的世界観なのか?この設定、伏線としてかなり深いな。考察くん+7
jardex22
原文
I took it to mean that the memory wipe would also make them notice magic less, or take it for granted.
For example, rather than having Coco marvel at the magic spring that cleans itself, she'd just wash her stuff in there, then go about the rest of her day. For most people this wouldn't be bad, but since Coco has such an appreciation for magic, it would alter her character dramatically.
Think of magic like electricity. There's a lot of intricate and complicated parts to it, but we don't think much of it. Flip a switch, light turns on.
But if there was someone who was aware of all the wiring, circuits, diodes, and other details. He starts learning about all the symbols on blueprints, and begins to understand it. Then someone comes and wipes his memory, making him like the entire first group of people.
記憶消去で魔法への気づきが減るってことだと思うんだよね。例えばココが自分で掃除する魔法の泉に感動する代わりに、ただ洗い物して終わりにする感じ。普通の人なら悪くないけど、ココは魔法にすごく感謝してるから、それが彼女の性格を大きく変えるんだよ。魔法を電気みたいに考えてみて。複雑な仕組みがあるけど、スイッチを入れたら電気がつくって考えちゃう。でも配線や回路、記号を学んで理解してる人がいたとして、誰かが記憶を消して最初のグループみたいにしちゃうんだ。普通くん+7
ChicaneryFinger
During the glowing stone magic scene my brain clicked something and I went "Ahhhh I get it this is the equivalent of the flowerbed spell from Frieren"
草、輝く石の魔法シーンでワイも「あっ!これフリーレンの花畑魔法のアレやん!」ってなったわwww2ちゃん+7
Conspicor
Definitely less visually impressive than the last episode, but it still had some nice shots. I'm glad Agott seems to have stopped her temper tantrums at Coco, and now she just tolerates her existence, I guess.
確かに前回ほどの映像的な圧倒感はなかったが、いくつか良いカットはあった。アゴットがココに対する癇癪を収めて、今はただ彼女の存在を許容するようになったのは成長といえる。アゴットの心理変化がキャラクターの深みを増している。考察くん+7
CooroSnowFox
This is the slice of life episode between arcs...
確かに、前回ほどの視覚的なインパクトはなかったけど、いいカットもあったね。アガットがいい感じになってて良かった。普通くん+27
zevix_0
原文
It's a meme but I genuinely feel like a lot of people unironically only watch anime for the spectacle of "hype moments and aura"
WHA definitely has its moments, but people going into this series expecting its going to be a full-throttle battle shonen sakuga showcase every week are going to be disappointed. This is more of a "cool worldbuilding and interesting characters" type of show. Slice of life episodes will be the norm rather than the exception.
確かにそれはよく言われる話だな。「盛り上がる瞬間とオーラ」だけを求めてアニメを見る層が一定数いるのは事実だと思う。
WHAにも確かにそういう瞬間はあるが、毎週フルスロットルのバトル少年漫画のような作画ショーケースを期待すると肩透かしを食らうだろう。この作品はどちらかというと「魅力的な世界観と興味深いキャラクター」が軸のタイプだ。日常回が例外ではなく標準になるという考察ができる。考察くん+10
CooroSnowFox
Yeah, Apothecary and Frieren are these ones you'll get the waves of action followed by some light stuff between ... it's not the battle chain they're always wanting.
I probably more put off by series if they are just the hype after hype...
確かに。薬屋とフリーレンはアクションの波があって、その合間に日常がある感じだよね。ずっとバトル連発ってわけじゃないし。
逆に「盛り上がり連発」だけのシリーズはちょっと引いちゃうかも。普通くん+5
namewithak
The scene with Coco being tired at the window, trying to find a comfortable position was so fluid. And the whole cooking scene was so lovely, the animation and music both.
せやな、ココが窓辺で疲れて楽な体勢探してるシーン、めっちゃ動き滑らかやったわ。料理シーンもアニメと音楽両方最高やったンゴwww2ちゃん+14
Syokhan
A little animation bit I really liked was her flopping arm when she slid from the windowsill. Not as flashy as last week's bombastic moments, but in line with the great character animation we've been getting since episode 1.
確かに、窓辺からずり落ちる時の腕のブラブラした感じのアニメーション、あれは細かいけどよく動いてたよね。先週の派手な演出ほど目立たないけど、1話からずっと続く優れたキャラクターアニメーションのクオリティの高さを感じさせる。あの小さな動作一つにも、制作陣のキャラクターへの愛情とこだわりが現れているという考察ができる。考察くん+8
El_grandepadre
It's not a visual spectacle but I enjoy the little animations for things like moving shoulders and hands.
確かに、派手さはないけど肩や手の細かい動きのアニメーションが良いよね。普通くん+6
YlfaTheForsaken
Ayy Olruggio, he's got a rather tasteful design. Yum.
Anyways, he's easily won over. Like so easy, what was that like thirty minutes? Coco is too darling to deny. Couldn't even commit to closing the door all the way.
Honestly Qifrey is right, quickly do the things that are a drag to do instead of suffering through it.
おっ、オルジオか。デザインが実に渋くて好みだな。うむ。
それはそうと、彼はめっちゃ簡単に心を開いたな。たった30分くらいで?ココがあまりにも愛らしすぎて拒めなかったんだろう。ドアを完全に閉めることすらできなかったしな。
確かにキーフレイの言う通りだ。面倒なことは後回しにせず、さっさと片付けた方がいい。これは人間心理を描いた巧みな演出だと思われる。考察くん+9
NullandVoidUsername
As someone from Yorkshire hearing Olruggio's voice was pleasantly surprising.
ヨークシャー出身者としてはオルルジオの声に驚いたよ。いい意味でね。普通くん+7
everythingistaken587
Between what he did last episode and what he said this episode, I’m assuming Qiffrey specializes in water magic. Meaning that ironically, even though he learned it avoid getting wet, that’s when he’s most powerful.
Side note Agott was drawing some pretty complex spell in the middle of fighting a dragon, but coco yawns and she spills her ink, idk man might be a skill issue.
ワイの予想やと、キーフリーは水魔法専門なんやろな。前回の行動と今週の発言見る限り。皮肉なことに「濡れたくないから」覚えた魔法が最強って草生えるわ。
ついでに言うと、アゴットがドラゴン相手に複雑な呪文描いてたのに、ココがあくびしてインクこぼすって……スキル不足ちゃうか?www2ちゃん+8
CrimsonGear80
yeeting her out the room made me lol
部屋から放り出すシーンは笑ったわ普通くん+7
rollin340
原文
Qifrey's training session was amazing. It was a simple task with a single instruction, but it helped her a whole lot in understanding how to balance her magic circles.
I like the Watcher. He understands how delicate the situation is, and loves magic himself too. I'm glad that he is willing to give it a chance. He even left his door open for her.
Then we have Agott, who other than her first appearance, has done nothing to win me over. The end of this episode really annoyed me with her attitude. A life is at risk, and she's only thinking of herself. She's making it really hard to like her.
キーフリーの修行シーンは本当に見事だった。ただ一つの指示だけのシンプルな課題だったけど、魔力の円のバランスを理解するのに大いに役立ったんだろうな。
ワッチャーについては、彼が状況の繊細さを理解していて、自身も魔法を愛している点が好印象だ。彼がチャンスを与えようとしている姿勢に安心したし、扉を開けておいてくれたのも良い判断だと思う。
一方でアゴットは、初登場時以外は全く魅力的に映らなかった。今回のエピソード終盤の彼女の態度には本当に苛立った。命がかかっている状況で、自分だけのことを考えている。彼女を好きになるのが非常に難しいと感じさせられる回だった。考察くん+6
Chrono-Helix
I can’t help but notice a lot of Coco’s “lines” are her gasping in amazement. I wonder if that’s something they teach in seiyuu school.
確かに!ココの「息を呑む」シーン多すぎじゃない?w 声優学校で教えるのかなこれ。でもそれが彼女の純粋な驚きをめっちゃ伝えててエモいんだよな…ッ!感情くん+7
Morrissey-Marr
Calling it now - Olruggio is secretly a brimmed cap witch, the eyeball one. Where's he been while away? Just spying on Coco. The black hat drip plus the light-up stone spell is the giveaway. The brimmed cap couldn't have know that spell in the past because it's an original Olruggio creation, unless they're the same person.
断言するけど、オルルジオは実はつば広帽の魔女、それも目玉のやつだと思う。彼が留守にしてた間、何してたんだ?ただココを監視してただけだろ。黒い帽子のスタイルと光る石の魔法が決定的な証拠だ。過去のつば広帽があの呪文を知ってるはずがない。なぜならそれはオルルジオのオリジナル創作だからだ。同一人物でない限りはな。考察くん+6
ptd163
原文
That was a nice lower stakes episode after the intensity of the last two. It's getting to be kinda crazy how engaging they can make SoL + exposition episodes.
It was adorable to see them prepping and cooking together. Olruggio was no match for the brushbuddy and Coco's cuteness and her love of magic. He folded so easily and became her tsundere dad.
I have a feeling that Aggott is just going to get in the way of Olruggio and Qiffrey saving that carriage. Maybe Qiffrey reprimands her for that and she finally faces consequences for actions instead of just getting away everything and comes down off her high horse.
前回までの激しさから一転、今回はまったり回で良かったわ。日常回+説明回でここまで引き込めるのはやばいやろ。
みんなで料理準備してるとこ可愛すぎやろ。オルルジオ、ブラシバディとココのかわいさ&魔法愛に完全敗北してたな。あっさり折れてツンデレパパになってて草。
アガットがオルルジオとキーフリーの馬車救助の邪魔する未来しか見えへん。キーフリーに叱られて、今度こそちゃんと責任取らされる展開来てくれや。いつも逃げ切ってるから、そろそろ高慢ちきな態度を改めさせろ。2ちゃん+8
sixth_magnitude
Qifrey mentioning how he hates getting wet and the first spell we see Olruggio use being easy drying... yeah yeah we get it...
キーフリーが「濡れるの嫌い」って言って、最初にオルルジオが使った魔法が乾かすやつって…はいはい、わかったよ(笑)普通くん+6
escape_planet_dirt
Ok so Agott is going to royally fuck things up next episode while trying to help and maybe even get saved by Coco and get seriously humbled yet again.
アガット、次回絶対やらかすやつだ!助けようとして逆に大惨事にして、ココに助けられてまたしてもプライド粉々になる流れでしょ…無理すぎるッ!感情くん+7
EntranceExtreme8963
I can see a (possible) plotline now. Coco gets her memory erased but Olruggio's stepping stones make her fall in love with magic all over again. :'( That would be so bittersweet.
なるほど、そういう展開もあり得るかもね。ココが記憶を消されちゃって、でもオルジオの導きでもう一度魔法に恋をするって感じか。切ないけど美しい話になりそうだな…普通くん+6
PetyrDayne
Not staying. I think I'm gonna wait for the season to end to binge it because the manga is just so good.
わかる!俺も続き見ないでシーズン終わってから一気見するつもり。漫画が良すぎるんだよなッ!感情くん+5
CooroSnowFox
I think its to travel around with as few tools to give away as possible...
あーなるほどね!とにかく荷物少なくして旅するためにそうしてるってことか!めっちゃ合理的じゃん!ギャル+14
WiqidBritt
I don't know why so many people don't seem to understand this concept. Needing to break out a drafting table, a compass, and a t-square whenever you need to cast a spell would make things pretty obvious that magic might have something to do with drawing.
It is 100% within the realm of possibility to draw the seals consistently free handed and so that's what witches should train to do.
確かにね。毎回呪文を唱えるたびに製図台やコンパス、T定規を取り出すのは明らかに怪しいし、魔法と絵が関係してるってバレバレだもん。手書きで一貫して印を描けるようにするのは魔女の訓練として当然だと思う。普通くん+13
Silverthedragon
原文
> Complicated sigils to make up for small circle, maybe?
While they were at the magic stationer in episode 4 Nolnoa mentioned that he could make ink at different concentrations, so maybe that affects how powerful or long-lasting a spell is, and Qiffrey has access to the more potent stuff?
Also at the end of episode 5, Qiffrey asks Nolnoa to find out what was mixed with the ink of the circle that teleported the girls, so maybe it's possible to mix other things with the ink to make more powerful magic as well?
なるほど、複雑な印で小さい魔法円を補っている可能性か。4話でノルノアがインクの濃度調整について言及していた点を踏まえると、濃度によって魔法の威力や持続時間が変わるという考察ができる。キーフリーはより強力なインクを使える立場にあるのだろう。
さらに5話終盤で、キーフリーが少女たちを転送した魔法円に何が混ぜられていたのか調査を依頼していた点も重要だ。つまり、インクに他の物質を混ぜることで、より強力な魔法を発動できる可能性が示唆されている。これは魔法体系における重要な伏線だと思われる。考察くん+12
AnusBlaster5000
Something just feels off about Olruggio to me. I feel like he is the brimmed hat we've seen thus far. I can't put my finger on exactly why but it just feels like a perfect fit to me.
オルルジョなんか怪しすぎるッ!今まで出てきたとんがり帽子のやつ絶対コイツだと思う。理由は説明できないけど、しっくりきすぎて無理ッ!感情くん+5
SkeMma720-
1. Agott needs "aGott" (a good 😆) noise canceling earings, luckily this merchant has a 50% code off for today's sponser- /j
2. I hope we get more of the backgrounds on the other three apprentices, helping this merchant could be securing a revenue stream for Agy, from recommendations to making connections, getting a job is a good goal, but it feels like it's more than that for little Agy.
1. アゴットには「アゴッド」(いいやつ😆)なノイキャンイヤリングが必要やな。運良く今日だけスポンサー割引50%オフやで /j
2. 他の3人の見習いの背景ももっと見たいンゴねえ。この商人を手伝うことで、推薦からコネ作りまでアギーの収入源確保になるやろ。就職はええ目標やけど、アギーにとってはそれ以上に大事なことなんちゃうか2ちゃん+6
cyberscythe
they appear in the credits under various roles, but a lot of other studios appears in the credits too
エンドロールにいろんな役割で名前が出てるけど、他のスタジオも結構クレジットされてるね。普通くん+5
FLorianGran
Well the anime isn't afraid to take its time, considering we're halfway through
確かに、中盤まで来てもゆったりペースやな。焦らずじっくり見せるスタイルは好み分かれるかもやけど、ワイは嫌いやないで。2ちゃん+5
Thomas_JCG
Dad Olruggio and the new apprentice. Overall it was a calm before the literal storm episode to introduce Olruggio. Next episode, we will see if Agott can walk the talk.
オルルジオ親父と新しい弟子か。今回は嵐の前の静けさって感じで、オルルジオを紹介するエピソードだったね。次回、アガットが有言実行できるか楽しみ。普通くん+5
Grazalia
This anime goes through so many emotions so quickly. Sadness, Happiness, self deprecation, joy, wonder. It's such a great anime!
I'm just gonna refer to him as old rugged lol he looks like his beard is drawn on a young man. I get clamp vibes from him for some reason.
このアニメ、本当に短いスパンで様々な感情を描き切ってるな。悲しみ、喜び、自己卑下、驚嘆…これらが絶妙なバランスで配置されている。制作陣の感情設計が緻密だと思う。素晴らしいアニメだ。
あのキャラは「老けたワイルド系」って呼ぶわ(笑)。あの髭、若者に無理やり描いたみたいな違和感があるんだよな。個人的にはCLAMPっぽいデザインセンスを感じる。何か伏線的な意図があるのかも。考察くん+5