AutoLovepon+3167
草原の学び舎
自身の描いた禁止魔法により石化した母親を救うため、そして“つばあり帽の魔法使い”の手掛かりを追うため、ココは魔法使い・キーフリーの弟子となる。アトリエで、弟子であるアガット、テティア、リチェと出会う。
エピソードサムネイル
Haha91haha
原文
This anime season hitting it outta the park with strong starts. Right from the jump the concept of the world and the issues it'll dive into are fascinating, the divide on the spread of knowledge and power and how it should be used. Makes sense to keep that much dangerous power away from just anyone but I wonder if the series will explore the other side of it too wherein a select and elite few calling all the shots has its dark side that can potentially abuse that knowledge monopoly.
今期のアニメ、スタートから飛ばしてるよね。世界観のコンセプトや掘り下げる問題がもう面白いし、知識や力の分配、その使い方の格差ってテーマが気になる。 危険な力を誰にでも渡さないのは分かるけど、選ばれたエリートだけが牛耳る体制の闇とか、知識独占の悪用みたいな別の側面も描かれるのかな。普通くん+639
BaytaCosmico
Yes, this! I was immediately struck by how unfair it is to keep the knowledge confined to a select few, who are probably only in the know through the fluke of birth (children of witches I'm guessing). Wonder if this will get addressed more - it has to be since the show dropped heavy hints about it with Agott and her sense of entitlement.
確かに!この世界観の設定、最初から強く印象に残ったよ。知識が限られた者だけに閉ざされている不公平さは、おそらく魔女の子孫という生まれの偶然によるものだと思われる。アゴットの特権意識からも、このテーマが今後深く掘り下げられる伏線と見て間違いない。考察くん+310
Might0fHeaven
原文
Its a double edged sword anyway. The entire reason Coco cast a forbidden spell is BECAUSE of the secrecy around magic and her inability to know what the risks were. If they know there are rogue witches spreading information about magic to commoners, then keeping the ways of making magic secret isnt something that will hold forever. And the existence of those rogue witches to begin with is proof their solution was nothing more than a temporary way to prevent all-out war, not a suitable permanent solution.
確かにそれは諸刃の剣だよね。ココが禁術を使ったのも、魔法の秘密主義が原因でリスクを理解できなかったからだし。魔法を広めるはぐれ魔女がいる以上、秘匿し続けるのは永遠には無理だと思う。はぐれ魔女の存在自体が、彼らの解決策が全面戦争を防ぐ暫定的なものに過ぎなかった証拠だね。普通くん+320
BaytaCosmico
Agreed. It almost makes me wonder if the rogue witches may have twisted good intentions of opening up magic to the wider world and are using these nefarious means to force the hands of the witch elite.
同意。これを踏まえると、はぐれ魔女たちはもしかすると「魔法を広く世界に開く」という善意が歪んでしまった結果、こうした邪悪な手段で魔女のエリート層を動かそうとしているんじゃないかという考察ができる。ココが禁術を使った根本原因はまさにその秘密主義にあるわけで、皮肉な構図だな。考察くん+153
BosuW
Its an interesting comparison to make with the solution that they arrived to in _Shinsekai Yori, where [Shinsekai Yori]>!all humans suddenly one day got godlike powers, and after much war and devastation, they settled on extremely strict population and ambition control, lifelong training, and a genetically coded suicidal impulse should a human ever kill another.!<
確かに、それは興味深い比較だね。『新世界より』の解決策は、突然全人類が神のような力を得て、戦争と荒廃の末に、厳格な人口・野心管理と生涯訓練、そして人間が他人を殺したら遺伝的に自殺衝動が起きるようにしたっていう、かなり極端な方法だったし。普通くん+58
CitronClassic672
原文
This! This is one of my big thoughts when this was revealed. The whole point of keeping magic a secret of people is supposed to be preventing them from using dangerous spells, but Coco’s situation literally showed how the use of a forbidden spell was the result of not knowing about magic and it’s risks. It even reinforced this idea later on with Coco asking Qifrey to teach her all about the dangerous spells she shouldn’t use, so she can study magic safely and Qifrey had no problem explaining them to her. If witches are fine with teaching other witches about the kind of magic that is and isn’t allowed and presumably have some means of enforcement then it doesn’t make sense why they’d arbitrarily limit who can and can’t learn.
せやな!これこそワイがずっと思ってたとこやわ。 「魔法を秘匿する=危険な呪文から守る」って建前やけど、ココの件で完全に矛盾してるやん。 むしろ禁術を使ったのは「魔法を知らなかったから」ってのがガチで皮肉効きすぎやろwww それに後でキーフレイが「危ない魔法は全部教える」って言ったのも納得やわ。 ちゃんと教えれば安全に学べるって証明してるしな。 「教える相手を選ぶ」ってルール自体が意味不明になってるンゴ…。2ちゃん+25
Thomas_JCG
The issue is there is no permanent solution. The only solution would be everyone in the world agree to not abuse magic. That just can't be done.
確かに根本的な解決策はないよね。世界中の全員が魔法を悪用しないって合意するのは無理だしな。普通くん+16
Gil_Demoono
原文
My first takeaway from the first episode was "that's what happens when a curious child has to take it upon themselves to learn nuanced topics by themselves because access to knowledge is being censored." The whole thing stank of banned book rhetoric. I don't think that is going to be the focus of the story, but I can see a theme of emphasizing the teaching of good magic over the outright censorship of magic in general forming. Practice safe magic not abraca-dabstinance.
確かに。初回から「好奇心旺盛な子供が、知識へのアクセスを検閲された結果、繊細なトピックを独学せざるを得なくなる構造」が描かれていたのは興味深い。これは明らかに「禁書」的レトリックの匂いがする。物語の焦点になるかは別として、魔法そのものを全面禁止するのではなく、正しい魔法教育を重視するテーマが形成される伏線だと思われる。「禁欲じゃなくて安全な魔法の実践を」というメッセージ性が感じられるな。考察くん+58
cyberscythe
原文
i was thinking that magic is a decent allegory for nuclear power; it can be used for great benefit like a power plant or for medicine, but it has been harnessed for great destructive power like a nuclear bomb this setting has an interesting backstory that they mostly put the lid back on that Pandora's box, but Coco being able to get her hands on a picture book means that they weren't entirely successful and maybe human nature makes it practically impossible [edit: on second thought, i think magic is also a good allegory for social media]
確かに魔法は核エネルギーの比喩として成立するな。発電所や医療みたいに良い使い方もできるけど、核爆弾みたいな破壊力にもなるって点で。 この世界観の面白いのは、パンドラの箱をほぼ閉じたって設定なのに、ココが絵本を手に入れちゃったってとこだよね。完全には成功しなかったし、人間の性として不可能なのかもな。 [追記: よく考えたら魔法はソーシャルメディアの比喩にもなるかも]普通くん+19
saga999
原文
> Makes sense to keep that much dangerous power away from just anyone but I wonder if the series will explore the other side of it too wherein a select and elite few calling all the shots has its dark side that can potentially abuse that knowledge monopoly. Yup. This is absolutely something that can relate to the real world. Obviously in this story they are the good guys keeping dangerous tools away from bad actors. But in reality it is one group hoarding the power, keeping to themselves the elite status and preventing others from raising up. Yes, it's to keep the world safe. But how very convenient that they are also better off taking on this "burden". The first warning sign of corruption is when you decide you should be the one to hold the power. Is it always corruption? No, of course not. But everyone thinks they won't be corrupted.
確かに…危険な力を一部の選ばれし者のみが掌握する構造、それは現実世界にも通じる深淵な真理だ。表向きは世界を守るための聖なる使命と称すれど、その実態は支配階級による知識の独占と権力の簒奪。自らを「正義」と信じる者こそ、最も危険な闇に堕ちる可能性を秘めている。彼らは言うだろう、「我らこそがその重責を負うにふさわしい」と。だが、自らを選別するその瞬間、すでに腐敗の萌芽は芽吹いているのだ。中二病+5
KatchawMataNoob
I'd be kinda disappointed if the whole "lets not tell everyone they can use magic to make the world a better place" was actually just a good deed with no intentions from powerful people behind it like controlling the world, so I'm guessing at some point we will be getting some more depth into the whole situation (haven't read the manga, just guessing).
確かに、あの「魔法で世界を良くできるってみんなに教えない」って設定が、単なる善意だけじゃなくて裏で権力者が世界を支配したいみたいな意図があった方が面白いと思うんだよね。だからそのうちもっと深い話が出てくるんじゃないかな(漫画は読んでないけど予想)。普通くん+6
flybypost
原文
> its dark side My first instinct went to Naruto. Those apprentices witches might be (child) soldiers in the making. Kids are trained in special techniques and made to follow a code handed down by some yet unknown authority. > potentially abuse that knowledge monopoly Yup, how would one even contain magic to those with good intention? Sure it's initially possible if you only invite those you absolutely trust into the inner circle. But as a group grows you tend to get people with diverse mindsets. The witch who gave Coco the book feels like she (I think?) might be the type of idealistic knowledge "freedom fighter" (information wants to be free) who wants to spread knowledge… but probably without getting tracked by the magic/witch orthodoxy. Who knows why Qifrey took Coco in. Does he just want to help her? Is it pure/more neutral curiosity and to learn of the book and its spells? Are the teachers maybe also some sort of filtering system and/or low level secret police who hunt down those who teach magic outside the established curriculum? Who was he talking to with his magic walkie-talkie?
この世界観の「暗い側面」について考察すると、まずナルトを連想した。あの見習い魔女たちは、いわば(子供)兵士を育てているようなものだ。子供たちは特殊技術を訓練され、未知の権威によって定められた規範に従うよう強いられている。 > 知識の独占を悪用する可能性 そう、善意ある者だけに魔法を封じるなんて、どうやって実現するんだ?最初は信頼できる者だけを内輪に招けば可能かもしれない。だが集団が拡大すれば、多様な考え方を持つ人々が入ってくる。 ココに本を渡した魔女は、おそらく理想主義的な知識の「自由の戦士」(情報は自由であるべき)で、知識を広めたいと考えている…ただし、魔法/魔女の正統派組織に追跡されないようにしながら。 キーフリーがなぜココを弟子にしたのか。単に助けたいのか?純粋な/中立的な好奇心と、あの本とその呪文を学ぶためか?教師たちは何らかの選別システムであり、かつ正規カリキュラム外で魔法を教える者を狩る低レベルの秘密警察なのか?彼が魔法のトランシーバーで話していた相手は誰なのか?考察くん+7
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
*Qiffrey steps out to buy milk* Agott: Alright listen up you maggot, it's LEARNING time.
*キーフリーが牛乳を買いに出かけた* アゴット:いいかお前ら、学習の時間だ。普通くん+574
Cvxcvgg
原文
I expect that Qiffrey knew exactly what he was doing when he paired those two up. Agott may be a hardass, but I think we saw in this episode that she's not unreasonable or a bully, and even expressed her condolences for what happened to Coco's mother. After all, with what we understand of the history of witches in this show, there's no way that someone who has the propensity to be needlessly cruel would be allowed to continue learning magic. At most, we have seen that she is willing to point out where Coco has made a mistake in plain terms, and without derision, which may turn out to be just what Coco needs given what's happened.
*Qiffreyは意図的にこの試練を二人に課したのだ。Agottは鋼の意志を持つ存在だが、今週の話で我々は彼女が決して理不尽な暴君ではないことを目の当たりにした。Cocoの母の運命に哀悼の意を示したことからも、それは明らかだ。魔女の歴史を鑑みるに、無意味な残酷さを持つ者は魔法の道を歩むことを許されない。AgottはCocoの過ちを嘲りなく端的に指摘する。この出来事こそ、彼女が必要とした運命の導きなのだろう。*中二病+106
Andreiyutzzzz
>and even expressed her condolences for what happened to Coco's mother. Ahhhhh... considering she said "because of you she'll never be flesh and blood again" i'm not sure how much that is expressing condolences and rather just... i wouldn't call it bullying but it sure didn't seem like that was needed to be said
あの「お前のせいで二度と血肉を取り戻せなくなった」って発言を考えると、同情というよりは……いじめとまでは言わないけど、わざわざ言う必要あったのかなって感じだね普通くん+25
Cvxcvgg
I took it as her being frank about how badly Coco had fucked up by messing with magic she didn’t understand. Maybe it could have been said nicer, but it didn’t make it any less true.
ああああッそれな!!「お前が理解してない魔法に手を出した結果」ってハッキリ言ったんだよな…もっと優しく言えたかもだけど、事実は事実すぎるッ!感情くん+12
ThrowCarp
I have high hopes she can be a actually good tutor for Coco though.
確かに!アゴットがココにちゃんと教えられるか気になるけど、期待しちゃうよね〜笑 頼りになるといいな!ギャル+22
WhoiusBarrel
That bread tearing animation, gosh they really put in A LOT of care into this production. Makes sense with the other colorful three, Agott is the cynical 4th one annoyed at Coco's inclusion.
あのパンをちぎるアニメーション、すごい力入れてるなって思ったわ。 他のカラフルな3人と違って、アゴットはココが加わるのにイライラしてる皮肉屋の4人目って感じだね。普通くん+561
Se7en_Sinner
The litmus test for a well animated fantasy show, bread tearing and non-CG dragons. We've seen pegasuses so dragons probably also exist.
それな!パンをちぎるアニメーションだけでクオリティ分かるよね。非CGドラゴンも見たいし、ペガサス出たならドラゴンも絶対いるって確信したわ。この制作陣のこだわりやばすぎるッ!感情くん+339
mythriz
and cabbages, can't forget the cabbages
確かに、キャベツも忘れちゃいけないね。普通くん+132
b3_yourself
Not my cabbages!
俺のキャベツが!wwwwおじ+45
garfe
Horses too.
馬もね。普通くん+11
Nachtwandler_FS
Anyone still remembers "quality cabbage"?
「あの“品質の高いキャベツ”を覚えておる者、まだおるでござるか?」武士+8
fer_sure
Don't forget clothing. Stark putting on his jacket is an animation flex for a reason. This one had its fair share of skirt twirling, and Coco trying to dry the notes by flapping her skirt was hilarious.
草、衣装の動きも大事やんな スタークがジャケット着るシーンとかガチで作画の見せ場やろ 本作はスカートひらひら多めやったし ココがスカートパタパタしてノート乾かそうとするシーンは笑ったわwww2ちゃん+35
ten-legged_badger
And, as it's mentioned in the first episode, there are also astronauts, idols, and pro athletes.
確かにw 初回で「宇宙飛行士、アイドル、プロアスリートもいる」って言ってたな笑 この世界観どんだけ広いんだよwwwwおじ+21
CitronClassic672
Yeah that part confused me looking back. This looks like the Middle Ages but shit like astronauts and idols exist. Is this supposed a post apocalyptic thing where the world got technologically regressed?
せやな、それワイも混乱したわ。中世ファンタジーかと思いきや宇宙飛行士とかアイドルとか草。もしかしてポストアポカリプスでテクノロジーが退化した世界って設定なんか?2ちゃん+8
darthvall
We've seen glimpse of giant serpent as well as the library guardian. If you see it the scales are drawn very detailed.
確かに。巨大な蛇や図書館の守護者もちらっと映ってたけど、鱗の描き込みがすごく細かいんだよね。普通くん+16
aneomon
There was a dragon on the forbidden spell page, so most likely!
禁書ページにドラゴン載ってたし、多分そうやろな!草2ちゃん+8
mike_2797
Reminded me of the bread scene from Mushoku Tensei.
確かに!無職転生のパンシーン思い出したわ。あのこだわり具合がエモすぎるッ!感情くん+103
MapoTofuMan
That year-per-episode schedule's paying off.
確かに、1話あたり1年かけるスケジュールが生きてるね。普通くん+39
Western-Internal-751
How come animators always go the extra mile when it comes to animating food 😂
それな!アニメーターって食べ物の作画にめっちゃ力入れるよね笑 パンちぎるシーンとか細かすぎてやばくない!?ギャル+35
cyberscythe
原文
i think it's because we all know what food is supposed to look like, so it needs to be above and beyond to make it appealing and impressive these sort of "slice of life" moments need to have extra effort to fit in without seeming lacking (especially in a world of fantasy); it reminds me of that morning routine scene in Chainsaw Man or even that one little scene of Stark putting on a jacket that left an impression on me
確かにそうだよね。食べ物ってみんなが実際の見た目を知ってるから、アニメで魅力的に見せるにはめちゃくちゃ力を入れないといけないんだと思う。 こういう日常のワンシーンは特に、ファンタジーの世界で違和感なく溶け込むために余計な努力が必要なんだよね。チェンソーマンの朝のルーティンとか、スタークがジャケットを着るあの短いシーンとか、印象に残ってるわ。普通くん+48
NuclearConsensus
This is why. Long story short? Cabbages.
それな!アニメーターが食うモンにだけ異常に力入れるのまじで草w 理由?簡単に言うとキャベツだよ!やばくね!?ギャル+8
DaRootbear
The bread tearing and Qiffreys hair just falling outta place when he tilted his head right after were impressive small details
せやな、パンちぎるシーンもそうやけど、キーフリーが首傾げた直後に髪がズレ落ちる表現とか、細かいとこまで凝りすぎやろ。ガチで制作陣のこだわり感じるわ。2ちゃん+6
frik1000
Absolutely loving the popup book aesthetic that they use from time to time. Happened last episode when Qifrey introduced himself as a witch and now at the end of this episode. Also they're nailing the more comedic bits as well. Loved Coco trying to dry Agott with her clothes.
飛び出す絵本みたいな演出、めっちゃ好きだわ。前回のキーフリーが魔女として自己紹介するシーンでもそうだったけど、今回のエピソード終盤でもあれやってくれて嬉しい。 あとコメディパートもいい感じ。ココがアガットを自分の服で乾かそうとするシーン、最高だった。普通くん+373
Mfaul27
Im so happy they included this aesthetic from the manga. That was my concern they wouldnt be able to capture how they drew the art coming out of the pages.
確かに!マンガのあの飛び出す絵本みたいな演出がそのままアニメで再現されてて感動したッ!キーフリーのシーンも完璧だったし、ページから飛び出してくるようなあの独特の描き方をちゃんと表現してくれてるのが嬉しすぎる〜!感情くん+74
Shinkopeshon
This adaptation is showing the true power of anime - visually expanding on the source material and making the panels come to life in its own unique way, the way only animation can accomplish To think they took the gorgeous art style of the manga and translated it to this beauty - this season is going to spoil us
確かに。漫画の美しい作画を見事にアニメに落とし込んでるよね。アニメならではの表現で原作をさらに魅力的にしてるし、今期は贅沢すぎるわ。普通くん+38
Setowi
This is like... one of the prettiest anime openings I have ever seen like hello!? What an insane visual feast, so many eastereggs in there as well. Beautiful.
マジでアニメOPの中でもトップクラスに美しすぎるッ!なにこれ!?視覚の饗宴やばすぎるし、イースターエッグも大量に仕込んであるし。美しすぎて泣いた。感情くん+345
Beginning-Hope-2600
I’m a huge fan of this series and didn’t expect that good of an OP, so was pleasantly surprised with how good it was. Probably my favorite of the season so far (and given how much I like the manga, probably my favorite series of the year too lol)
確かに!原作ファンとしてはOPのクオリティに驚いたよ。今期で一番好きかも。マンガが大好きだから、今年のベスト作品になりそうだね笑普通くん+83
hawkeye137137
I paused multiple times during both episodes to take the scene in. Too few anime are this gorgeous to sadly.
わかるッ!俺も何度も一時停止してスクショしまくったよ…美しすぎて見入っちゃう。こんなに美麗なアニメ、最近マジで少なすぎる、悲しい。感情くん+18
asymuzz
oh hey, nice to see you here
あら、ここで会えるなんて嬉しーじゃん!ギャル+16
Setowi
This manga has been an all time fav for me for yesrs so I will be here every week!
やった、この漫画はずっと大好きだったから毎週ここに来るよ!待ちきれなさすぎるッ!感情くん+7
Jacob-C
It was really pretty, but I don't think anything will beat Oshi No Ko season 3 for me anytime soon.
確かに可愛かったけど、推しの子の3期には敵わないって感じじゃん!あれやばすぎたし笑ギャル+6
SasparillaTango
The first episode I was thinking "this feels like Ghibli at home" which is not an insult -- like being a lesser Ghibili is still a mile ahead of the pack.
某、最初は「これは吉卜力の廉価版か?」と思い申したが、決して侮辱ではござらぬ。吉卜力の下位互換ですら、他を圧倒する出来でござるからな。武士+5
CitronClassic672
It really conjured up the vibes of first reading the Harry Potter books as a kid and watching the movies for the first time, and I mean that in the best way. I’d be really happy if this series can fill that same niche for people now that HP has aged more poorly to many people and the author drags it down further.
確かに!まるで子供の頃にハリポタの本を初めて読んだ時の感覚を思い出させるよね。悪い意味じゃなくて。今やハリポタがいろいろと古臭くなっちゃったし、作者がさらに評価下げてるから、このシリーズが同じような楽しさを提供してくれるなら嬉しいな。普通くん+5
Zemahem
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There really is something so bittersweet about Coco finally achieving her dreams, but for the price of her mother.  And she didn't even wish on a monkey's paw. Though, I don't think she could've gotten this opportunity otherwise considering how exclusive their club is. So uh... thanks Coco's mom for your sacrifice. But thankfully, they can save her. At least I hope so. Qifrey seems like a nice guy, but it's clear he prioritizes the greater good. Cause he would've left Coco motherless and memoryless if not for the vital info she had. Though at least he seems good to his students. Plus, his place seems like just the cosiest, with pleasant company to boot. Or 3 out of four of them at least; Agott's looking like a pain in the ass for now. And I do just love the whole vibe and aesthetic of this world in general.
ココが夢を叶えた代償が母親ってのは、なかなか皮肉なもんだな。 猿の手みたいな願い方したわけじゃないけど、あの閉鎖的な連中の中じゃ他に道はなかったんだろう。ってことで…ココの母さん、犠牲に感謝だ。まあ救出できそうではあるけどな。少なくともそう願いたい。 キーフリーは悪いやつじゃないが、明らかに全体の利益を優先するタイプだ。あの情報がなければ、ココを母無し・記憶無しで放置してたろうしな。 でも弟子たちには良くしてるし、あの工房は居心地良さそうだ。アゴットは今のところ面倒くさそうだけどな。この世界の雰囲気や美学は素直に良いと思う。ドライおじ+316
Superior_Mirage
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It's worth pointing out that it's not just for the price of her mother -- it's the price of the one thing she *wasn't* willing to give up for the sake of magic. Given the way she reacts to her mother mentioning it, it's obvious that it's not that she didn't think to ask Qifrey if she could follow him; it's that she had already considered it, and her mother was her answer. The only reason she started drawing magic was that she thought she could have both. >Cause he would've left Coco motherless and memoryless if not for the vital info she had. I doubt he'd have left her without some form of support... and it might be kinder to not be left with those memories. >Agott's looking like a pain in the ass for now. A pain, but a fair pain. She didn't blame Coco for the water, and even went so far as to explicitly explain where she went wrong without any form of condescension or derision. And that wasn't just a performance in front of Qifrey, since she could have laid into Coco once he left. Agott seems like the type who values effort above all else; she's insulted that Coco arrived at the atelier via a (cruel) stroke of fortune. Add that to the fact that she's asocial (doesn't eat with the rest), and she's probably just deeply awkward. Though I don't know if that's "awkward and secretly sweet" or "awkward and still an ass".
せやな、母親を失ったってだけじゃないんやな。ココが魔法のために手放せへんかった“唯一のもの”を代償にしてるってのがポイントやろ。 母親に指摘された時の反応見る限り、キーフリーに付いて行くのを考えてなかったわけじゃなくて、すでに考えた上で母親が答えやってんやろな。両方持てると思って魔法描き始めただけや。 > あの重要情報がなかったらキーフリーはココを母親無し&記憶無しで放置してたやろな ワイは何らかのサポートは残したと思うで…つーか記憶残らん方が優しさかもしれへんけどな。 > アゴットは今のところめんどくさいやつやな めんどくさいけど筋は通ってるわ。水の件でココを責めへんかったし、見下したりせずにどこが間違ってたか説明してたやん。キーフリーが去った後で文句言うこともできたのにしなかったしな。 アゴットは努力を何より重んじるタイプやろ。ココが(残酷な)偶然でアトリエに来たことに腹立ててるんや。さらに交流しない(皆と飯食わへん)って辺り、単にコミュ障なだけかもしれん。 ただそれが「コミュ障で実は優しい」なのか「コミュ障でクソ野郎」なのかはまだわからんけどな。2ちゃん+223
CitronClassic672
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Definitely agree regarding Aggot. Right from the start I thought she would be set up as the classic rival character, the Draco Malfoy of the series if you will, but her characterization repeatedly defied my expectations. She genuinely didn’t get upset at Coco for the water mishap like I expected that type of character too, nor did she secretly lash out at her in private. I honestly don’t know how they’ll what direction they’ll take her character. I’ve never seen a rival introduced quite like this.
アゴットについては本当に同意。最初は典型的なライバルキャラ、いわゆるドラコ・マルフォイ的な立ち位置になると思ってたんだけど、彼女のキャラ描写は何度も予想を裏切られたよ。水の事故でもああいうタイプなら怒ると思いきや全くそんなことなかったし、陰でこっそり攻撃するようなこともなかった。正直この先どういう方向に進むのか全く読めない。こんなライバルの登場の仕方、初めて見たわ。普通くん+76
Zeph-Shoir
If anything she seemed kind of impressed with the water cannon imo
確かに!アゴットに関しては完全に同意なんだけど、あの水鉄砲見てなんかちょっと感心してたっぽくない?笑ギャル+36
Zemahem
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Well, we don't know what Qifrey would've done for Coco if he decided to erase her memories. The best he can probably do is leave her at an orphanage. I guess witches don't have an obligation to try to fix these problems, only hide the evidence. But it doesn't sit right with me. There's bound to be flaws about the way they keep magic secret that are going to be explored. Though tbf, there's nothing that can be done if Coco's spell had been more lethal to her mother, or if she hadn't learned the contents of the book by heart. And on Agott, I was more so referring to the comment about Coco's mother. She's an immature kid, but that was still out of line and I think deserved to be called out. It would be nice if she eventually acknowledges Coco and feels remorse over the cold treatment.
キーフリーがもしココの記憶を消す決断をした場合、彼がココのために何をしたかは不明だな。おそらく最善でも孤児院に預ける程度だろう。 魔女たちには問題を解決する義務はなく、証拠を隠すことだけが求められているのか。しかし、これは腑に落ちない。魔法を秘密にする方法には、いずれ掘り下げられるであろう欠陥が内在していると思われる。 とはいえ、ココの魔法が母親にもっと致命的な影響を与えていた場合や、彼女が本の内容を暗記していなかった場合には、どうしようもなかったというのも事実だ。 アガットに関して言えば、ココの母親に対するあのコメントはやはり問題だ。彼女が未熟な子供であることは理解できるが、あれは一線を越えていたし、指摘されるべきだった。いずれ彼女がココを認め、冷たい態度に対して後悔の念を抱くようになれば良いのだが。考察くん+20
NoNameSwitzerland
Somehow it seems Qifrey collects little girls. Hopefully not with bad intentions.
それな!ココが夢叶えたのは嬉しいけど、お母さんの代償って重すぎじゃね?笑 てかキーフリーってマジで少女コレクターだよね〜悪意ないって信じたいけどさ!ギャル+43
Prof_Acorn
So many single dads in the world dealing with the same unfounded suspicions. It's probably just the (female) author referencing the mahou shojo subgenre but then wanting to include a male somewhere, and so making the ~30-year-old teacher-dad deuteragonist a guy instead of having everyone be girls. This gives a point of identification for both older and younger people, and men and women.
(返信の意図を汲んで) まあ、世の中のシングルファーザーは皆同じような疑いをかけられてるんだろうな。作者が魔法少女ジャンルを意識しつつ、男性キャラも入れたかったんだろう。30代の先生兼父親を脇役にすることで、老若男女問わず感情移入しやすくした、ってところか。ドライおじ+24
Toge_Inumaki012
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if you think about it when they arrived at his school, part of me feels something creepy getting her to enter one of those houses like he could just push her and lock her up there lol Well nothing says that girls/women have more compatibility in magic than guys...yet What was the Japanese word for witch exactly? since at least in english it usually is known as a female that casts spells/magic/curses etc
確かにキーフリーが女の子を集めてる感はあるよね。でも悪意はなさそうだと思うけどな。彼の学校に着いた時、あの家の一つに入らせるシーンはちょっと不気味だったわ。押し込んで閉じ込めちゃいそうで笑 まあまだ女子の方が魔法適性が高いって決まったわけじゃないけどね。ところで「魔女」って日本語では何て言うんだろ?英語だと呪文や魔法を使う女性ってイメージだけど。普通くん+7
CitronClassic672
The word is “Majo” derived from Mahou Josei or “magical woman” I believe. Funnily enough I learned that from Madoka Magica and reading the synopsis for the series mentioned hope, despair, and witches gave me PTSD, lol. Let’s hope it doesn’t end up like that.
同意。「魔女」の語源が「魔法女性」から来てるって考察は面白いな。確かにまどマギでその単語を覚えた身としては、あらすじに「希望」「絶望」「魔女」と並んでるとPTSD発動しそうになるわ(笑)。ただ本作の魔女観はまどマギとは別物だと思う。とんがり帽子の世界観を踏まえると、魔法の根源的な力と魔女の関係性がキーになる可能性が高い。あの不気味な入学シーンも、単なるホラー演出じゃなくて、後々の伏線として機能すると思われる。考察くん+17
Golden_Phi
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> Qifrey seems like a nice guy, but it's clear he prioritizes the greater good. Cause he would've left Coco motherless and memoryless if not for the vital info she had. He stated that healing magic is forbidden. So if a person was bleeding out in front of him, do you think that he would refuse to heal them and let them die? Edit: For that matter, what would the other 3 girls do if forced into that situation?
確かに、キーフリーは一見いい人だけど、結局は「大義」を優先してるよね。もしココが重要な情報を持ってなかったら、母親の記憶ごと見捨ててたわけだし。 で、本題だけど——治癒魔法が禁術ってことは、目の前で出血してる人がいても、彼は治療せずに見殺しにすると思う? ついでに、他の3人の女の子たちが同じ状況になったらどうするんだろうね。普通くん+11
Zemahem
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Depends. We don't know if Qifrey even knows healing magic. The girls certainly shouldn't as they're just apprentice witches. Maybe there's also magic with medicinal applications but isn't outright labeled "healing magic", which I'm imagining is more direct in application like other forbidden spells, and probably has an explanation in the future that makes it a lot more dangerous to use than it sounds.
確かに。ただ、Qifreyが回復魔法を使えるかどうかは不明だ。弟子たちは見習い魔女にすぎないから、当然使えるはずもない。 もしかしたら、医療用途の魔法は存在するけど、明確に「回復魔法」とは呼ばれていない可能性もある。俺の想像だと、回復魔法は他の禁術と同じく直接的な効果を持つものだと思われる。将来的に、その危険性が声高に語られる展開があるんじゃないか。使うことが思ったよりずっと危険だという説明がなされるはずだ。考察くん+18
Chukonoku
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I feel like there's gonna be quite a big number of legal loopholes in regards to what magic is prohibited or not. Like Qifrey says direct magic targeting humans is prohibited and that includes healing. But i guess you could technically create localized fire to cauterize a wound for example. Maybe healing magic is banned, but magic that creates healing items (something akin to a potion) might be legal? It's giving me that FMA vibes, but with a much stricter magic system. The reason you don't mess up with the human body, is because it's extremely easy to screw up. There's a fine line between medicine and poison after all.
確かに。禁止魔法の線引きって結構グレーゾーンありそうだよね。 - キーフリー曰く「人間への直接魔法」は禁止で治癒も含む - でも例えば、火で傷口を焼灼するのはテクニック次第でセーフ? - 治癒魔法は禁止でも、回復アイテム作る魔法は合法かもしれない - FMAっぽいけど、もっと厳格な魔法システムだな - 人体弄るのは失敗しやすいからこそ、薬と毒は紙一重ってわけか普通くん+9
drt0
I don't know if they are even allowed to use healing magic on themselves from the way he describes it.
それな!てかキーフリーの説明聞いてると、自分に治癒魔法使うのって禁止されてそうじゃない?やばくね?笑ギャル+6
BosuW
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> Qifrey seems like a nice guy, but it's clear he prioritizes the greater good. Cause he would've left Coco motherless and memoryless if not for the vital info she had. I'm actually thinking he already took a bit of her memories, specifically the book. "Yes, she hasn't mentioned anything about the book. She's still in a state of confusion." Why would you trust that she wouldn't but you didn't specifically instruct her to? And the second sentence is sus.
>> Qifreyはいい人そうだけど、優先順位は「全体の利益」ってのが透けて見えるな。Cocoに重要な情報がなかったら、母親を奪い記憶も消すつもりだったんだろ。 ワイはもう既に記憶の一部、特に本のことは消したと思うンゴ。 「うん、彼女は本の話は一切してないよ。まだ混乱してる状態だし」 なんで「言うな」って指示してないのに「言わない」って信じられるんだよ。二文目も怪しすぎやろ。2ちゃん+5
MokonaModokiES
when you have someone that just experience some massively traumatic stuff... you shouldnt really be pressuring them into going through the memories tied to that trauma so soon. Like it seems its only been a single day since it happened so its all still way too fresh in Coco's mind.
確かに。あんな大きなトラウマを経験したばかりなのに、その記憶をすぐ掘り返させるのは酷だよね。特にココにとってはまだ一日しか経ってないし、傷が癒える前に無理強いするのは違うと思う。普通くん+19
Aileos
This magic system based on drawing shapes and accuracy looks very unique. Quite different from what we're used to. I went blind so I was as surprised as Coco when she realized it's not a wand but a pen during the first episode. Good thing to stand out from other fiction.
草、魔法が「描く」システムとか斬新すぎやろwww ワイも初回でペンって気づいた時のココみたいにビビったわ 今までの魔法モノとは一線画しててガチで面白いンゴ2ちゃん+253
Se7en_Sinner
The rune-based magic system similar to alchemic circles from Full Metal Alchemist is interesting. I also like how the main character isn't somebody gifted who can use magic without drawing them.
確かに!ルーン魔法って感じで錬金術のサークル思い出すよね!主人公が描かないと魔法使えないって設定もいいじゃん!普通の子が頑張る系大好き!ギャル+147
Zemahem
Lmao it would've been such a let down if they had this interesting and tactile system of magic that the audience can follow, then proceed to just not have the point of view character engage with it at all.
確かに!あれだけ視聴者が理解できる面白い魔法システムを用意しておいて、主人公が全然それに関わらなかったらガッカリだったよね。普通くん+93
HungryGull
Born In A World Of Runic Magic As The Weakest Class 「Dressmaker」 With No Drawing Skill But With My Special Ability 「Think Of Shapes Really Hard In My Head」 I'm Actually The Strongest??? Coming Fall 2026, based on a 60 volume LN series, probably
せやな、もし観客が理解できる面白い魔法システムがあったのに、それを活かさずに終わったらガッカリやったやろなwww 「ルーン魔法の世界に生まれた最弱クラス『ドレスメーカー』、絵が描けなくても頭の中で形を必死に想像する特技で実は最強でした???」 2026年秋放送、原作60巻のラノベシリーズやて。多分な。2ちゃん+107
Atharaphelun
Speaking of which, it is rather suspicious how there are only a limited number of sigils. They have water, fire, wind, and light, but no earth or dark?
確かに、水・火・風・光はあるのに地や闇がないのは怪しいよな。普通くん+10
lionturtl3
I immediately thought of FMA as well! I’m intrigued by the rule of using magical ink. We’ve seen a few examples of magic circles that aren’t exactly drawn (or don’t appear to be) with the window and flying shoes. With Coco’s tailoring skills I bet she could dip some yarn in the special ink and stitch a perfect magical circle.
同意や!ワイも即FMA思い出したわ 魔法インクのルールも気になるンゴねぇ。窓とか飛ぶ靴みたいに、描かずに発動する魔法陣もあったやん?ココの仕立て技術なら特別なインクに糸漬けて、完璧な魔法陣縫い付けられるんちゃうか?草2ちゃん+5
maliwanag0712
> I never expected this series to have magic based on drawing shapes and accuracy. It is essentially programming done in paper. I like this unique approach to magic since it will be difficult to be OP in this magical system without the system breaking down, and thus Coco will have lots of opportunity for character development throughout the series.
確かに。これは紙の上でプログラミングしてるようなもんだね。 この魔法システムだと簡単にチート級にはなれないから、ココが成長する余地がたくさんありそうでいいと思う。普通くん+116
helium_hydrogen
I literally turned to my husband like "Look, she's debugging!" when Agott was looking at Coco's water spell.
それな!まじでプログラミングじゃん笑 アゴットがココの水魔法見てるとき、私も夫に「ほら、デバッグしてる!」って言っちゃったわ~ギャル+57
cyberscythe
she found a memory leak
それな!アガットがココの魔法見て「デバッグしてる!」って思ったの俺もだわ普通くん+48
Jacob-C
>"It is essentially programming done in paper." I really like that analogy!
せやな、紙に書くプログラミングって例え好きやわ。ワイもそう思うンゴwww2ちゃん+40
Prof_Acorn
>"It is essentially programming done in paper." `print "hell world."` *Hell world activated* "Fuck fuck typo noooooooo -"
「紙でプログラミングしてるみたい」って比喩、めっちゃわかるわ。 `print "hell world."` *Hell world起動* 「クソクソタイポやばいやばいやばいー」ってなるの草。普通くん+72
Tezlaivj
so magic require three components: variables, functions, and compiler to make it work. using a pen? nah, we're vibe chanting now
それな!まじで魔法ってプログラミングみたいじゃん? 変数と関数とコンパイラの3つ揃って初めて成立するってわけね笑 ペン使うとかもう古くない?今はノリで詠唱する時代でしょ!ギャル+33
Genoscythe_
>It is essentially programming done in paper. It reminded me of Foundryside by Robert Jackson Bennett, that also did something similar with "scriving" objects with magincal instructions, and the main plot being about how exploitable the logic of it is for runaway effects of essentially programming increasingly complex feedback loops.
確かにそれ、紙の上でプログラミングしてるみたいなもんだよね。Robert Jackson Bennettの『Foundryside』を思い出したわ。あれも物体に魔法の指示を書き込む「スクライビング」で、その論理がどんどん複雑なフィードバックループを生んで暴走するって話だったし。普通くん+24
Yelov
The real question is whether the magic syntax is turing complete.
確かに!それってプログラミングじゃん笑 でも問題はこの魔法の文法がチューリング完全かどうかだよね~ギャル+11
cyberscythe
> It is essentially programming done in paper most programming used to be done in paper until about the 1970s
確かに、紙の上でやるプログラミングって感じだよね 1970年代まではプログラミングも紙でやってたって話だし、そう考えると納得普通くん+11
BosuW
Not just on paper and not just with ink. The runes in the window seemed carved into the frame.
「紙とインクだけじゃなかったんだよな。窓のルーン文字、枠に刻まれてたっぽいし」ってマジでエモすぎるッ!魔法=プログラミングって発想すげえわ!感情くん+5
BruhsifiedYT
It's been done in Owl House before but the manga came first so I guess it's the other way around
確かに、『Owl House』でも似たようなのあったけど、漫画の方が先なんだよね。普通くん+27
Dragon_of_the_gods
Funnily, the author of witch hat has actually drawn owl house fan art and is mutuals with the creator of owl house on twitter! They became friends due to the amount of people who are in both fandoms + the similarities their stories share
せやな、とんがり帽子の作者がOwl Houseのファンアート描いてて、しかもクリエイターと相互フォローしてるんやてwww 両方のファン多いから仲良くなったんやろな〜草2ちゃん+33
BruhsifiedYT
Yeah I know that, it's wholesome to see
それな、知ってる。そういう交流ってほっこりするよね。普通くん+5
CitronClassic672
Coco’s character motivation and the drawing based magic system are really making this series feel like the spiritual successor to The Owl House for me. Funnily enough after the TOH ended, the creator Dana Terrace actually encouraged fans to read Witch Hat Atelier.
確かに!Cocoの動機付けと描く魔法システムが完全にThe Owl Houseの精神的続編って感じやんなwww TOH終了後にDana Terrace本人が「とんがり帽子のアトリエ読め」って言ったの草生えるわ ワイもそれでハマったンゴ2ちゃん+24
mastahslayah
It did look like that they had half of a magic circle drawn on each shoe and moving the shoes together completes the spell.
草www 靴に描かれた魔法陣が半分ずつで、合わせて発動って発想ガチで天才やん2ちゃん+15
Zemahem
Well, he's not drawing, but he is still using drawings. Notice how the soles of his shoes (and Agott's) had the two halves of a magic circle split between them. And only when they put their feet together that they fly.
面白い視点だな。彼は描いてはいないが、描かれたものを活用しているという考察ができる。注目すべきは、彼の靴底(とアゴットの靴底)に、魔法陣が二分割されて描かれている点だ。つまり、二人が足を合わせた時だけ飛行が発動する仕掛けになっている。これは、作画陣が意図的に仕込んだ伏線で、魔法の使用条件を物理的な動作に落とし込む巧妙な演出だと思われる。考察くん+59
Gibbs-free
The system's fairly consistent and most things are explained. If they're casting without drawing, that's because the circle is already drawn elsewhere or being completed in another manner, as people have brought up with the boots.
システムは結構一貫してて、大体説明されてるね。描かずに魔法を発動してるのは、他の場所で既に円が描かれてるか、別の方法で完成してるからだよ。ブーツの件で言われてたみたいに。普通くん+33
mekerpan
Thanks. I will just have to watch even more carefully in the future -- to see what I can spot.
確かに!てかこの作品まじで細かいとこまで凝ってるから、じっくり見ると新たな発見あってやばいよね!笑ギャル+8
Sleepy10105s
We’ve been spoiled by two episodes in one day
マジで優勝すぎるッ!一日で2話も観れるとか贅沢すぎる!!感情くん+209
Shadow_Ass
Absolutely. I told my wife that there's a new show that she may like and after we finished ep2 she asked me why don't I start ep3 lol. She definitely loved the first two episodes and so did I. It's absolutely gorgeous to look at.
確かに。妻にもこの新作おすすめしたんだけど、2話見終わった後に「なんで3話始めないの?」って聞かれて笑ったわ。彼女も俺も最初の2話めっちゃ気に入ったよ。とにかく見た目が美しすぎる。普通くん+75
Toge_Inumaki012
Is this like a recent trend in animes, specially if adapted from manga and releasing only 1 episode wont build enough interest so some series have 2-4 first episodes uploads in 1 day
まじそれな!最近のアニメ、特に漫画原作だと初回2話同時配信増えてるよね〜。話題作りには完璧じゃん!笑ギャル+25
cyberscythe
i can understand that for something like Frieren or Oshi no Ko which have a bigger lead up to the "real" story i thought the first episode of this show was super good at building interest though; it ended on a really high note that i would've come back next week even if there wasn't a second episode sitting in my docket
確かにフリーレンや推しの子みたいに本編に入るまでの前振りが長い作品なら1話だけじゃ物足りないって気持ちも分かるよ でもこの作品の1話は興味を引く構成がすごく良かったと思う。次週が待ちきれないくらい良い終わり方だったし、たとえ2話がすぐに用意されてなくても続き見たくなったね普通くん+37
Toge_Inumaki012
Good point about those 2 series as well as the 1st episode. Maybe they wanted to make the series presence known by dropping more than 1 episode, they be flexing 😅
確かに!フリーレンと推しの子は伏線ガッツリ張ってたもんな。ワイも初回2話連続でやったのは「俺らこんなにすごいんやで」ってドヤりたかったんやろなって思うわwww2ちゃん+8
VoidRay728
原文
I feel like the first episode focused more on higlighting the animation and art style, the second focused more on the exposition of the world, and where we are introduced the other students. I like that they did the 2 episode premiere to fully hook you into the story. I don't usually spoil myself and I'd rather go into episodes without knowing what will happen, but after these 2 episodes I am very tempted to read the manga to get ahead.
初回はアニメーションとアートスタイルの見せ場、2話は世界観の説明と他の生徒たちの紹介に重きを置いてた感じだね。2話連続で一気に物語に引き込む構成は良かったと思う。 普段はネタバレ避けて何も知らずに観るタイプなんだけど、この2話観たら先が気になって漫画読みたくなってる自分がいるわ。普通くん+201
Gibbs-free
If you're interested, definitely at least check out the first chapters in the manga as well! The anime's doing a great job with the art style, but the manga has such a beautiful look that it's well worth seeing.
せやな、興味あるなら原作の最初の方だけでも読んでみるんやで!アニメも作画頑張ってるけど、マンガの画がまた別格で美しいンゴwww 見る価値ガチであるわ。2ちゃん+82
Beginning-Hope-2600
I’d definitely check out the manga, even if you only read along with the anime. Hands down the prettiest series I’ve ever seen—even as good as the animation is, it has nothing on the original artwork and paneling.
確かに漫画も読んでみる価値ありだね。アニメの作画もすごいけど、原作の絵やコマ割りはそれを超えてる。今まで見た中で一番美しいシリーズだと思う。普通くん+48
BuckeyeBentley
原文
> I don't usually spoil myself and I'd rather go into episodes without knowing what will happen, but after these 2 episodes I am very tempted to read the manga to get ahead. It's very much worth the read, the paneling alone is literally masterful. At this point maybe wait until the season is over then read the whole manga. There's 14 volumes out in English so there's a decent amount of content but it doesn't come out fast at all so you'll catch up soon enough.
同意。ネタバレは避けたい気持ちは分かるが、この2話だけで原作の構成力に興味が湧くのは当然だ。特にマンガのコマ割りは芸術的で、アニメでは伝わりにくい細かい背景描写や魔法の仕組みの伏線が丁寧に張られている。ただ、アニメの演出を純粋に楽しむなら、1期終了後に一気読みするのがベストかも。英語版は14巻まで出ているが、翻訳のペースが遅いから追いつくのは早いぞ。考察くん+41
Fonfiff
I agree with what the others are saying. The manga is truly one of the best uses of the medium out there!
確かに。原作は本当に漫画という媒体を最大限に活かした作品の一つだと思う。普通くん+11
thisisdropd
原文
Thought Qifrey would be the hardass type of teacher from how he yelled at Coco in the previous episode, but turned out he's quite the friendly and understanding man. Didn't blame her for the incident at all, despite news of it spreading quickly. Hmm, so that's how magic in this world worked, huh. I get why strict limitations were in place but even healing spells were forbidden. That's quite the overkill. Will the reason be explored some time along the series? Ouch, she's paired with the aloof and blunt Agott. She didn't seem to be a bad person, but she's quite the challenge to win over. Will she be the tsundere of the group? It's pretty amusing to see us being lulled into the usual fantasy atmosphere only for someone to whip out a sort of mobile phone. Who was Qifrey talking to? I'm guessing it's a fellow master. PS: Qifrey's a master witch, master mechanic, and now master chef. Is there any limit to his talents?
前回キーフリーがココに怒鳴ってたから厳しい系教師かと思ったら、結構フレンドリーで理解ある奴やん。事件のことは全然責めなかったしな、噂がすぐ広まったのに。 ふーん、この世界の魔法ってそういう仕組みだったのか。厳しい制限があるのは分かるけど、治癒魔法まで禁止ってのはやりすぎやろ。その理由もそのうち説明されるんかな? おっと、相方はツンツンしたアガットか。悪い奴じゃなさそうだけど、心開かせるのは難しそうやな。このグループのツンデレ枠になるんか? いつものファンタジー雰囲気に浸ってたら突然携帯電話みたいなの出てきて草。キーフリー誰と話してたんや?多分他の師匠だと思うけど。 ついでにキーフリー、魔女の師匠でメカニックで料理人って才能ありすぎやろ。限界どこやねん。2ちゃん+170
Florac
> Thought Qifrey would be the hardass type of teacher from how he yelled at Coco in the previous episode, but turned out he's quite the friendly and understanding man. I mean, he just watched a small kid do the eqivalent of waving around a loaded gun and then firing it at her mother.
確かに、前回の怒鳴り方からすると厳しい先生かと思いきや、結構フレンドリーで理解ある人だよね。でもあれだけ危ない真似したんだから、あのくらいの怒り方は当然だと思う。普通くん+190
Jacob-C
True, but I'd even go as far as saying it was more like lighting the fuse to a bomb thinking it was a firecracker. If there were more people in that house they would all share her mother's fate (still pending).
確かに。でも俺はむしろ、彼女が爆竹だと思って爆弾の導火線に火をつけたようなものだという考察ができる。あの家にもっと人がいたら、全員が母親と同じ運命を辿っていただろう(まだ確定してないがな)。このシーン、ココの無邪気な好奇心と魔法の危険性を象徴する伏線として秀逸だと思う。考察くん+75
peptiresearcher81
Not only that but a war crime. Less of a loaded gun and more of a point and clock bomb
確かに。ただの厳しい先生だと思ったら、戦争犯罪級の過去を持ってたね。時限爆弾って感じで、ただの危険物じゃなかったわ。普通くん+22
zairaner
> Thought Qifrey would be the hardass type of teacher from how he yelled at Coco in the previous episode I think that's understandable, sometimes magic teachers have to ask calmly when it is important.
せやな、前回のココへの怒鳴り方見たらそう思うのもわかるンゴwww でも大事な時は魔法の先生も落ち着いて聞かんとあかんってことやろな2ちゃん+170
Zemahem
"COCO! DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME ON THE GOBLET OF FIRE?!"
「ココ!お前、炎のゴブレットに名前を入れたのか?!」って言われてる気分だね(笑)確かにキーフレイは前回の怒り方からすると厳しめな先生タイプに見えるかも。普通くん+178
KTR1988
I knew it was this video, lol. Gotta love how murderously unhinged Dumbledore is here.
草、これやっぱその動画かwww ダンブルドアの殺意マシマシな感じガチで好きやわ2ちゃん+6
BosuW
> It's pretty amusing to see us being lulled into the usual fantasy atmosphere only for someone to whip out a sort of mobile phone. [Other show this season]>!I'd have two nickels this season in conjunction with _Demons of the Shadow Realm_.!<
確かに、普通のファンタジー世界かと思いきや携帯電話みたいなのを出すのは面白いよね。 今期は『影の王国の悪魔』と合わせて2回もそんな場面を見ることになるとは思わなかった。普通くん+36
Syokhan
> Is there any limit to his talents? Cutting cloth? That has to count, right?
彼の才能に限界ってあるのか? 布を切るのは…さすがに才能って言わないだろ?普通くん+26
caiusto
原文
>Hmm, so that's how magic in this world worked, huh. I get why strict limitations were in place but even healing spells were forbidden. That's quite the overkill. Let's put it like this, the only thing differentiating a surgery from murder are the intentions. A scalpel is an instrument used in medicine, but it's a blade nonetheless, even when the intentions are good a mistake can happen and the patient suffer the consequences.
>>厳しい制限の理由は分かるけど、治療魔法まで禁止ってのは行き過ぎやろ つまり手術と殺人の違いは意図だけってことやな。メスは医療器具だけど結局は刃物で、善意でやってもミスったら患者が被害被るンゴwww2ちゃん+11
GloriousNipOnSteel
原文
> I get why strict limitations were in place but even healing spells were forbidden. That's quite the overkill. Will the reason be explored some time along the series? Anime only first time viewer, but I think it makes sense. Imagine if witches are known to be able to heal people, it's just asking for trouble, not only from the rich and powerful, but even the common folks - "why didn't you save my daughter?" "My little brother could have used your healing magic, but no, you had other priorities!" "If you can heal, surely you can curse as well; how do I know that my mother's illness wasn't caused by your spell?" ...etc. Perfect recipe for conflict.
確かに、治癒魔法まで禁止するのは過剰に思えるが、作品世界の設定を考察すると合理的だ。魔女が治癒可能と知れ渡れば、富裕層や権力者だけでなく一般市民からも「なぜ娘を救わなかった」「治癒魔法があるのに優先順位が違う」「治癒できるなら呪いもできるはずだ」と詰め寄られるリスクが発生する。これは中世的な魔女狩りや社会的軋轢を招く伏線とも読めるな。制作陣は単なる制限ではなく、世界観の矛盾を回避するための緻密な設計をしていると評価したい。考察くん+5
Kankunation
Yeah that's the one.
せやせや、それそれ!草2ちゃん+5
deynyel
原文
Friend suggested this one to me. Didn't know about the 2-episode premier tho. Pretty sweet. Edit: W suggestion by my friend. Loving this show so far. Even though Qifrey has an ulterior motive in not deleting Coco's memories, I'm glad he seems to really be taking care of her, even going so far as to put a barrier around Coco's house and taking her in as his student. I thought she would be ostracized by the other apprentices due to her use of forbidden magic. Thank god that it's just a 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘵𝘭𝘦 friction with Agott right now. Understandable since in her eyes, Coco bypassed a lot in order to be an apprentice. Hopefully, Coco will thrive in her studies and prove that she deserves to be there.
友達に勧められて見始めたんだけど、2話一挙放送は知らなかったわ。結構良かった。 編集:友達の提案は大正解だった。今のところこのアニメめっちゃ好き。 キーフリーがココの記憶を消さないのには裏があるんだろうけど、それでも彼がちゃんとココの面倒を見てくれてるのは嬉しいな。家にバリアを張ったり、弟子にしたりしてるし。 禁術を使ったことで他の見習いから疎まれるかと思ったけど、今のところアゴットとちょっと揉めてるだけですんでるのがありがたい。彼女からすれば、ココが多くを飛ばして弟子になったように見えるのもわかるし。ココにはこれからの勉強で頑張って、自分がそこにいる価値があるって証明してほしいな。普通くん+101
thisisdropd
You owe your mate a drink for bringing your attention to this piece of cinema.
マジでそれな!友達に奢るしかないじゃん!こんな神アニメ教えてくれるとかやばすぎる笑ギャル+47
deynyel
After these 2 eps, definitely. Would've missed a masterpiece otherwise.
せやな、2話見ただけでガチでそう思うわ。これ見逃したらマジで損してたわ。仲間に酒おごるわwww2ちゃん+21
mike_2797
For a sec i thought Frieren suggested this...
一瞬、フリーレンが勧めてくれたのかと思ったわw普通くん+30
CuriousWanderer567
“Why did you suggest Witch Hat Atelier?” “Because it’s what Ms. Frieren would have done.”
「なんでとんがり帽子のアトリエを勧めたの?」って聞かれたら「だってそれがフリーレン様がやることじゃん?」って感じだよね笑 やばくねこのやりとり!ギャル+53
Zeikos
Tbh I think that she would.
確かに、フリーレンならやりそうだよね。普通くん+10
Roeclean
I'm sure Himmel the Hero would agree with that statement
ヒンメル英雄様もそれに同意すると思うわ。ワイもそう思うンゴwww2ちゃん+10
Frontier246
原文
>Even though Qifrey has an ulterior motive in not deleting Coco's memories, I'm glad he seems to really be taking care of her, even going so far as to put a barrier around Coco's house and taking her in as his student. Even if he kind of dipped after literally the first lesson lol. >I thought she would be ostracized by the other apprentices due to her use of forbidden magic. Thank god that it's just a 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘵𝘭𝘦 friction with Agott right now. Understandable since in her eyes, Coco bypassed a lot in order to be an apprentice. Hopefully, Coco will thrive in her studies and prove that she deserves to be there. Though the whole "your mother will never be human again" was a bit excessive.
確かにキーフリーはココの記憶を消さなかったことに裏の目的がありそうだけど、ちゃんと面倒見てくれてるのは良いよね。家にバリア張って弟子にまでしてるし。 ただ初回の授業の後すぐどっか行ったのは笑ったけどな。 アゴットとのちょっとした摩擦だけで済んで良かったわ。確かに彼女から見たらココは色々飛ばして弟子になってるから反感持たれるのも分かる。ココにはこれから実力で認めさせてほしいね。 でも「お母さんは二度と人間に戻れない」は言い過ぎだったかな。普通くん+14
Z000Burst
> Even if he kind of dipped after literally the first lesson lol. > > well, he did got a phone call about being allow to keep her i think he actually going to whatever council these witch have to get chew out on this situation
あの最初の授業で逃げ出したのは草www まあでも彼女を預かっていいって連絡来たみたいやしな 多分あの魔法使いどもの会議かなんかでガチギレされてるんやろなw2ちゃん+8
MidOceanRidgeBasalts
原文
I'm really happy it was a two-episode premier. Love the OP and ED, the ED especially. I'm most curious about the witches erasing everyone's memory of in the past. From one perspective, I understand the urge to control such destructive power, but from another, getting to choose who is allowed to have this power is dangerous too. We can already see the rift it creates in how the other atelier students treat Coco, which I'm sure is a reflection of wider witch-world. It doesn't seem too bad yet, but I'm sure Coco far from finished with the other students wanting her to prove herself. I also wonder about the 'no using magic on anyone except to erase their memories' rule. It strikes me as odd that it's even banned to use magic for healing. I can see why healing might have to be regulated somehow (my mind goes to BSD, when Yosano worked under Mori), but I don't know, something feels odd to me I guess. I love that in just the little information Qifrey gave about magic society in this episode, all these questions have already come up. I'm dying for more.
2話連続放送は嬉しかったな。OPもEDもいいけど、特にEDが好き。 一番気になるのは魔女たちが過去の記憶を消してること。破壊力のある力をコントロールしたい気持ちは分かるけど、誰がその力を持つか選べるってのも危険だよね。他の弟子たちがココにどう接するか見れば、魔女社会全体の問題が透けて見える。まだ大したことになってないけど、ココはこれからもっと実力を示せって言われそう。 「記憶を消す以外に魔法を使ってはいけない」ってルールも気になる。治療目的でも禁止ってのは変だな。規制の必要性は理解できるけど(文ストの与謝野先生を思い出す)、何か引っかかる。 キーフリーがほんの少し魔女社会について説明しただけで、こんなに疑問が湧いてくるのがいい。もっと知りたい。普通くん+80
CodingTangents
原文
With how technical the magic system is given to me, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason is that healing magic is right next to killing magic. The way I am envisioning it, healing magic has to change the body and the magic system seems too technical to privilege a healthy body over a dead one. It doesn't seem to have any moral preferences built into it; it is geometric and mechanical, spells do what the shapes dictate, and there is no indication that good spells are easier to perform than bad ones. Healing spells might not be in a separate category from killing spells. There might just be one spell to change the body, which can either heal or horribly disfigure them depending on the signs used or depending on the caster, and the witches would just rather not take that chance at all. Plus, healing sounds difficult as hell. The spell that Coco used to freeze her house was intricate enough but specifying to magic exactly what a healthy body entails must be infinitely harder. I'd imagine a spell circle the size of a city block, just to specify this specific person, this specific ailment, and how to move the flesh from this state to that state. Plus, there are so many things that can go subtly wrong, like you draw a spell and they look healthy until they die two days later because you accidentally made the healing too strong and they have super cancer, or you mess with their brain and now they have lost their memories or can't think anymore and I'm sure the spell to fix a scrambled brain must be even larger than to fix a body.
せやな、魔法体系がガチで技術的やから、治癒魔法と殺人魔法が紙一重って可能性は普通にあるンゴね。ワイの想像やと、治癒魔法って体を変えるもんやろ?でもこの世界の魔法って幾何学的で機械的やから、健康な体を優先するような道徳的な仕組みはなさそう。善悪で難易度変わらんし、治癒も殺人も同じ「体を変える魔法」の派生で、符号次第でどっちにもなるんちゃうか。魔女たちはそのリスクを冒したくないだけやろ。 つーか治癒って難易度エグそうやん。ココが家凍らせた魔法でさえ複雑やったのに、健康な体を魔法に正確に指定するのは無限に難しいやろ。都市ブロック級の魔法陣が必要で、一人の症状に合わせて肉を動かすとか無理ゲーや。間違えたら「治ったけど2日後に超癌で死亡」とか「脳いじって記憶喪失」とかありそうで草。脳直す魔法なんて体修正よりさらにデカくなるやろな。2ちゃん+57
Fangzzz
原文
> With how technical the magic system is given to me, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason is that healing magic is right next to killing magic. Or just general body modification. Like if the caster gets to determine what a "healthy" body is, they could "heal" someone of all their rebellious thoughts and make them into a perfectly obedient slave, or "heal" dead bodies into zombies and monsters.
確かに。魔法体系が細かい設定なら、治癒魔法が殺人魔法や身体改造の隣にあるってのも納得だね。術者が「健康」を自由に定義できるなら、反抗的な思考を「治療」して従順な奴隷にしたり、死体を「治療」してゾンビやモンスターにしたりできそう。普通くん+25
YellowPlat
Great insight. This really made me notice just how conveniently magic is portrayed in many animes. Elsewhere magic while mysterious is often shown to follow human logic and it just adapts to the user's wishes. But in this anime magic does not seek to benefit the user. The user is the one adapting to get the wanted result.
確かに鋭い考察だ。多くのアニメでは魔法が便利に描かれがちだけど、本作では魔法体系が技術的に緻密で、使用者が結果を得るために適応する構造になってる。つまり、魔法が人間の論理に従うのではなく、人間が魔法のルールに合わせてるんだな。この点が他の作品と一線を画す伏線だと思われる。考察くん+22
Ilsuin
原文
I imagine healing the body is also seen as something that could easily be abused. Even in trying to keep a secret such as magic, there are bound to be students that leave and don't have their minds erased (either because they ran away or whatever). As a result, you could have a witch selling their services as a healer and charging exorbitant fees to those who can't really afford it. Magic in this world seems to be restricted because the witches want to use magic to help people, not harm them. It's why Qifrey didn't charge the women for fixing their carriage (I presume anyway), because magic is meant to be helpful and without charge.
確かに。治療魔法は悪用されやすいってのもあるだろうね。魔法を秘密にしようとしても、逃げたりして記憶を消されずに去っていく生徒はいるだろうし。結果的に、治療を売りにして法外な値段を取る魔女が出てくる可能性もある。この世界の魔法は人を傷つけるためじゃなく助けるためにあるから制限されてるんだと思う。キーフリーが馬車を直して代金を取らなかったのもそういうことだよね。魔法は無償で役立つものってことなんじゃないかな。普通くん+13
NomadPrime
原文
> I'd imagine a spell circle the size of a city block, just to specify this specific person, this specific ailment, and how to move the flesh from this state to that state. Imagine if you think you created a simple spell to close and seal a sword wound, but if you make the casting spell too simple, the magic seals and fuses the flesh there...but then continues to fuse with the muscle, nerves, bone, etc. and it becomes an painful malformation instead. Having that type of magic and control over the body accessible to everyone with just a pen and paper and without years of education can turn horrifying extremely easily.
**返信** せやな…「この人、この症状、この状態からこう治す」って指定するだけで、街一個分の魔方陣が必要になりそうやなwww つかさ、簡単な剣傷塞ぎの魔法作ったつもりが、詠唱がシンプルすぎて肉がくっつくだけじゃなくて筋肉や神経や骨まで全部癒合しちゃって、逆に痛い奇形になるパターンとか草 ペンと紙だけで誰でも使えて、何年も教育せずにそんな生体操作ができるって、ガチでヤバい方向に転がるやろこれ2ちゃん+7
MF_LUFFY
Human transmutation is taboo, we've known this for like 20 years
人間錬成はタブーって20年くらい前から言われてるよね。EDいいよね、確かに。普通くん+28
Pokeirol
You mean the show where the ban was made to allow the ones making the ban a monopoly on human Transmutation?
せやな、禁止した連中が独占するために作ったルールやろ? 皮肉効きすぎやで草2ちゃん+10
ObvsThrowaway5120
I can understand why magic is being tightly controlled because people are people and we can’t ever have nice things, but isn’t it dangerous to have it in the hands of a chosen few? Power corrupts and all. Even the “good guys” can be led astray. Setting that aside, it seems Coco’s got a ways to go not just in learning magic but also in making friends.
魔法の管理が厳しい理由はわかるよ。人間ってそういうもんだし、いいことだけにはならないからね。でも、限られた人だけが持つって危なくない?権力は腐敗するし、「良い人」だって道を誤ることもある。 それはさておき、ココは魔法を学ぶだけでなく、友達作りもまだまだだね。普通くん+81
zool714
I feel like this could open up the possibility of a group that keeps all the witches in line. Magic auditors if you will
確かに!魔法が乱用されるから厳しく管理されるのはわかるけど、それって結局「監視する側」が絶対に正しいって前提になっちゃうよな。魔法監査人とかいう新たな抑圧グループが生まれる可能性、普通にあり得るし怖すぎるッ!感情くん+24
oops_i_made_a_typi
yeah this sort of security by obscurity is always gonna need a security force to enforce things, i imagine that'll be a source of future conflict, especially given how it seems like the knowledge that an Outsider exists spread so quickly already
確かに、秘密に頼ったやり方だとどうしても取り締まる側の組織が必要になるよね。特にアウトサイダーの存在があっという間に広がったことを考えると、将来の対立の火種になりそうだと思う。普通くん+9
CommanderZx2
Also feel like they're leaving themselves at a major disadvantage by banning any magic that affects another person, other than removing memories. Who is to say that everyone else does the same? What are they gonna do if they come across bad witches who attack using magic, they'd have no way to fight back.
確かに、他者に影響を与える魔法を記憶操作以外禁止するのは、自らを著しく不利な立場に追い込んでいるという考察ができる。他の魔法使いが同様の制限を守る保証はどこにもない。もし攻撃魔法を使う邪悪な魔女に遭遇した場合、彼らには反撃手段がなくなるという重大な矛盾をはらんでいる。この設定は、制限の意図と現実のリスクのバランスをどう取るか、制作陣の深いテーマ設計を感じさせる。考察くん+7
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I really like the way they are going about the whole magic in this universe. At first, having magic circles seems to be rather standard. One specific circle for a specific type of magic. But they are showing that they try to be creative with the whole idea. And that doesn't just include the fact that you need to properly draw them so nothing unpredictable happens. The whole basis of the core is already quite obvious, but there are a few other instances that funnily enough remind me a bit of Death Note. For example, as shown, the magic doesn't trigger if the circle isn't closed. So what you can do is, you can draw everything needed, but you leave a small spot open in the circle. And then when you actually need the magic to activate, all you have to do is close it. This makes it way more usable in a reactive scenario. And I assume the whole shoes with two half circles operate on a similar manner. Press them together and you get a circle. Though, I do wonder if that can be used infinitely. Because Coco mentioned magic is activated for longer if the circle is better drawn. Meaning that there is a limit to it. So I guess, you need to redraw these circles on the shoes every now and then. Either that or there is a rule that hasn't been explained yet. Similarly, there was a moment when Qifrey was drawing a circle and put it into a lamp. And it only activated after being put into the lamp. Which begs the question if there is another potential way to delay the activation. For example, if you draw certain "arrows" then it only activates (or emit light in this context) once you put it into an enclosed space. But there can be another reason for this as well depending on how that light functions. For example, I can imagine the water magic works in a way that there is a circle on both parts, both pulling the water towards themselves, making sure that it stays in that sphere (because the pulling force is smaller the further away you are). But since the magic uses water in the air, when you close them together, it can't pull any water from around it anymore because it is closed. So something like that could be the reason for the light magic as well (like needing a certain element that is present inside the lamp). Still, I can already see a few creative use-case for it and it also makes you notice a few things. Like how Qifrey is wearing accessory that is a half circle, which probably means, it can be used in a similar manner.
この世界の魔法の扱い方、すごくいいと思うんだよね。最初は魔法陣って単純なものに見えるけど、ちゃんと描かないと予測不能なことが起きるってところが創造的で面白い。 コアの基本は明らかだけど、デスノート思い出す場面もあるよ。例えば、円が閉じてないと魔法は発動しない。だから必要な部分を描いて、小さな隙間を残しておいて、実際に使う時に閉じるだけで発動できる。これリアクティブな場面で使いやすいよね。靴の二つの半円も同じ仕組みかな。押し合わせると円になる。でも無限に使えるのか気になる。ココが「上手く描けば長く持つ」って言ってたから、靴の円も時々描き直す必要があるのかも。まだ説明されてないルールがある可能性もあるけど。 キーフリーがランプに円を描いて入れたら発動したシーンもあったね。これって発動を遅らせる別の方法があるってこと?例えば特定の「矢印」を描くと、密閉空間に入れた時だけ発動するとか。でも水魔法みたいに、両方の円が水を引き寄せ合って球体を保つ仕組みかもしれない。光魔法もランプ内の要素が必要とかで説明できるかも。 キーフリーのアクセサリーが半円なのも、同じ使い方ができるってことだろうね。まだいろんな創造的な使い方が見えてきそうで楽しみ。普通くん+76
quietvictories
> Press them together and you get a circle. Though, I do wonder if that can be used infinitely yes you can! that's how floating shoes work if you look closely
確かに!それ無限に使えるんだよね。よく見ると浮遊靴もその原理で動いてるし、この設定マジでエモいッ!感情くん+45
ModieOfTheEast
原文
That wasn't my question. My question was if these circles need to be redrawn. For example, Coco's water magic circle produced water, but only for a short time. Of course the time and effect was short because it wasn't a well drawn circle. However, this would mean that even with a perfect circle, there is a limit on how long the effect can hold. Which should be important for the floating shoes as well. So basically, would you need to redraw the half circles on the shoes every few weeks or months after having used them because that is their limit? My best explanation for why you would not need to do that is that every circle creation is its own instance. So even if you reuse half circles a second time to create the same circle, the limit for how long you can fly is reset. Basically meaning if you fly and you reach the limit, by splitting up the circle for a small moment and then bringing the two halves back together, you technically created a new circle with a new limit. That would be my current idea for why you would not need to redraw these on the shoes even after having used them for a while.
あ、そういう話か。つまり「その円は描き直しが必要か?」ってことやな。 例えばココの水の魔法陣は不完全やったから短時間しか水出せんかったけど、完璧な円でも持続時間に限界あるんちゃう?って話やろ。浮遊靴も同じ理屈やな。 つまり、靴の半円も数週間とか数ヶ月で描き直しが必要になるんか?って疑問やな。ワイの推測やと、魔法陣は使うたびに「新しいインスタンス」として生成されるから、半円を一度分離して再結合すればリセットされるんちゃうか。つまり限界まで飛んだら、一瞬分解→再結合で新しい円として再生成されるから描き直し不要って理屈や。2ちゃん+19
quietvictories
to my understanding, yeah- home appliances like water holder or portal window with sigils engraved in them seem to be just working after creation when needed on the other hand we've saw Quifrey restart lighting fixtures by painting new spells, so maybe lifespan depends on the materials used in creation. Engraved spells are infinite, painted sketches are for some direct use and immidiate effect
確かに、水の魔術具みたいな家電は作ればずっと使えるっぽいね。でもキーフリーが照明に新しい呪文を描き直してたから、素材によって寿命が変わるのかも。彫刻は永続的だけど、描いたスケッチは即効性のある使い捨てって感じかな。普通くん+23
NoHead1715
原文
These questions you asked are the exact reason why I went back to the first episode to look at all the circles she drew. It turns out there are quite a few other signs and sigils that were not mentioned in this episode, so you're probably right about things like delayed activation. In the first episode, Coco also created a floating fireball and it uses alternating signs unlike the eight similar ones used for the water jet she did here. So there's probably a certain pattern to keep the magic within the circle. And then I looked at the magic circle she traced for the forbidden magic. Boy, was that complicated, but surprisingly, quite easy to understand. *Mushoku Tensei* had similar concept.
【返信】 ワイも最初のエピソード見直したわ。お前の疑問、ガチで核心ついてるンゴwww 確かに、第1話のココが描いた魔法陣にも今回は出てこなかった記号が結構あったし、遅延起動の可能性は高いやろ。 第1話でココが作った火の玉は、水のジェットとは違う記号のパターン使ってたしな。魔法陣の中には一定の法則があるんやろな。 んで、禁断魔法の魔法陣見てみたんやけど、あれ複雑そうで実は結構わかりやすい構造してたわ。 そういえば『無職転生』にも似たような概念あったな。2ちゃん+24
MokonaModokiES
> . Either that or there is a rule that hasn't been explained yet. my theory is that the tools used to make the drawings also have an effect in the duration. like there surely is a difference between the inks and isnt just all the same or the object where they make the drawing being better at preserving the magic.
確かに。まだ説明されてないルールがありそうだよね。 俺の説だと、描画に使う道具も持続時間に影響すると思う。インクにも種類があって全部一緒じゃないだろうし、描く対象物によって魔力の保存性能が違うんじゃないかな。普通くん+17
ModieOfTheEast
I came up with another idea. The effect length of the magic is dependent on how well the circle is drawn. However, what if every combination of two half circles counts as its own creation of a full circle? Then you wouldn't need to redraw them, because once you split it up for a moment, it basically resets the duration when being put together again.
確かに、私も似たような考察をしていたんだが、さらに別の仮説が浮かんだ。魔法の効果時間は描かれた円の精度に依存するという前提で、もし二つの半円の組み合わせがそれぞれ独立した完全な円としてカウントされるなら、一度分割して再結合するたびに持続時間がリセットされる可能性がある。つまり、わざわざ描き直す必要はなく、分割と再結合で効果を延長できるという理屈だ。この仕組み、制作陣が意図的に伏線として仕込んだと見るのが妥当だろう。考察くん+11
runevault
原文
I avoided the OP previously so I'd experience it in show. WOW. This may be a no-skip song+animation. I was wondering when Coco would talk about breaking her promise. Guess we're getting that moment right away, oof. And thankfully Qifrey understands she could never understand what she was getting into. Was it stupid? Yes. But the other spells she tried were clearly not that horrific. Remember kids, do not trust witches with freaky hats. Strange witches sitting in alleys distributing pictures books is no basis for a system of learning magic! This pink haired girl is adorable. Her and Coco together might lead to diabetes if I was not inoculated from watching Angel Next Door. Oh man knowledge about Coco is already spreading. I'm curious how apprentices at Qifrey's atelier heard about it when they seem isolated. Is there some Witch communication network? Something I'm curious about, Qifrey makes the point you cannot cast magic directly on a person, only indirectly by casting it on an implement (see: teleportation magic). I'm curious if there's a way to implement such a tool for healing, since direct healing magic is forbidden. And now we have the first major goalpost for our girl on her way to saving her mother. To earn entrance to the library. Her roommate's English VA sounds a bit older unlike the other girls, interesting. Watching Coco eat the bread is making her climb the "must protect" tier list quickly, girl is adorable. Holy shit that transition into the ED. This anime is going HARD on the style front. Made me think of a wood cut though I'm not sure if that's the right style. ED is really chill and I could see myself randomly listening to it as well as the OP even when not watching episodes. Glad I'm using my good headphones to watch this. Every sign of these first two episodes point to it being as special as the source fans indicated. God I'm excited for more. Edit: I didn't even clock it was Eve doing the OP, even though I fell in love with his voice from his Blue Box OP. Yeah clearly everyone involved with this anime cares about the source material.
OPを飛ばして本編で初めて見たんだけど、すごかった。これは絶対スキップできない曲と映像だね。 ココが約束を破ったことについて話すのはいつかなと思ってたけど、いきなりその瞬間が来たね。でもキーフリーは彼女が何に巻き込まれたか理解できなかったってちゃんとわかってたのが救い。確かに無謀だったけど、他の魔法はそこまでヤバくなかったし。子供たちよ、変な帽子の魔女を信用しちゃダメだぞ。路地に座って絵本を配ってる変な魔女が魔法学習の基盤になるわけないからな! このピンク髪の子、めっちゃ可愛い。ココと一緒にいると糖尿病になりそうだわ、隣の天使様で免疫ついてなかったらね。もうココの情報が広まってるのか。キーフリーの工房の見習いたちは隔離されてるはずなのにどうやって知ったんだろう?魔女の通信ネットワークでもあるのかな? 気になるのは、キーフリーが「人に直接魔法をかけられない」って言ってたこと。間接的に道具を使うしかない(転送魔法みたいに)。治療用の道具を作る方法があるのか気になるな。直接治療魔法は禁止されてるし。 そしてついにココが母親を救うための最初の目標ができたね。図書館に入るために。 ルームメイトの英語吹き替え声優、他の子よりちょっと大人っぽく聞こえるのが面白い。ココがパン食べてる姿見てると「守らねば」ランキングが急上昇するわ、本当に可愛い普通くん+66
BosuW
>Something I'm curious about, Qifrey makes the point you cannot cast magic directly on a person, only indirectly by casting it on an implement (see: teleportation magic). I'm curious if there's a way to implement such a tool for healing, since direct healing magic is forbidden. I don't think he meant that it's impossible, but that it's forbidden to do so. Only allowed to use objects.
【返信】 せやな、キーフレイが言ってたのは「不可能」じゃなくて「禁止」って意味やろ。直接人体に魔法かけるのはアカンくて、道具経由しか許されてないって話やな。治療用の道具なら何かありそうやけど、どうなんやろな…気になるわ。2ちゃん+29
runevault
I know, I meant cannot in the sense of it is forbidden, not in the sense that it is impossible. But that doesn't tell me if healing magic through an item conveys healing properties to a person say laying on the circle.
確かに、Qifreyが言ってたのは「不可能」じゃなくて「禁止されてる」って意味だよね。でも、アイテム経由の回復魔法が円の上に寝てる人に効果を伝えるのかは、それだけじゃわからないな。普通くん+7
BosuW
I think healing magic as a whole straight up forbidden too. Could be a side effect of it requiring to cast on the target directly, so since it's forbidden to do that, no healing magic at all.
それな。治癒魔法そのものも完全に禁止されてるっぽいンゴ。直接対象にかける必要があるから、それが禁止されてる時点で治癒魔法もアウトってことやろな。2ちゃん+9
Elvenoob
原文
This magic seems to be very physical in nature, it's not like Pathfinder where you can kinda just brute force someone better with positive energy, you might need to directly manipulate the other person's body to physically move the edges of a stab wound together and mend the damaged cells in the cut itself, for example. And if you have the understanding needed to manipulate the human body in that much detail, you can also do the *opposite* of healing, extremely effectively and gruesomely.
確かに。この魔法システムはかなり物理的なんだな。Pathfinderみたいにポジティブエネルギーでゴリ押しするんじゃなくて、例えば刺し傷の端を物理的に寄せて細胞を修復するみたいな直接的な操作が必要そう。 で、人体をそこまで詳細に操れる理解力があるなら、治療の逆も超効果的でグロくできちゃうってわけか。普通くん+13
shad79
原文
Definitely a very interesting magic system, I like it! Meanwhile, the reason magic is unavailable to ordinary people reminded me of Metaphor: ReFantazio. Anyone who's played that knows what I'm talking about. Overall, this second episode was fun! Coco's reactions were hilarious, and Tetia, Richeh, and Agott appeared, and they seem like interesting characters. The fact that everyone seems to know what Coco did sucks, although it's a plus that they don't know all the details. I wonder who Qifrey was talking to. Probably someone important, since they were the ones who allowed Coco to be his apprentice. Here my screenshot albums from: EPISODE 02 * Coco * Group scenes * Qifrey * Tetia, Richeh & Agott * Lore & Backgrounds EPISODE 01 * Coco * Group scenes * Qifrey * Backgrounds & Others *EDIT. I added my screenshot albums.*
この魔法体系、非常に興味深い設計だと思う。魔力が一般人に使えない理由が『メタファー:リファンタジオ』を彷彿とさせるな。プレイ済みなら何を言いたいか分かるはず。 全体的に第2話は良かった。ココの反応が秀逸で、テティア、リチェ、アゴットも登場し、それぞれキャラが立っている印象。 ココのやったことが周知されているのは辛いが、詳細までは知られていないのは救いか。 キーフリーが誰と会話していたのか気になる。ココを弟子に迎える許可を出した重要人物だろう。 以下、スクリーンショット集: 第2話 ・ココ ・グループシーン ・キーフリー ・テティア、リチェ、アゴット ・世界観・背景 第1話 ・ココ ・グループシーン ・キーフリー ・背景・その他 ※編集:スクリーンショット集を追加しました。考察くん+59
shad79
Sorry for the delay, but I probably won't be able to do it until the weekend. I'm currently pretty busy exploring Japan (for example, just today I walked 25 kilometers), so watching anime and taking screenshots took a back seat since I also need to get some sleep in order to survive 😆
遅くなってごめん!週末まで無理そう。今日本を探検してて忙しいんだ(今日だけで25km歩いたよ)。アニメ見たりスクショ撮ったりは後回しにしてる、寝ないと生きていけないからね😆普通くん+6
NoDraw5603
Have the best time in Japan Shad!! Always see your comments under episode discussions and it’s truly admirable how consistent you are, so don’t worry abt us until you get some free time
まじで日本楽しんでねShad!!毎回エピソード感想でコメント見かけるんだけど、その継続力やばくない!?こっちは気にしなくていいから、時間あるときにまた来てね!ギャル+5
FarCritical
It's so endlessly cool to me how a magic user's "proficiency" with a spell is so visibly apparent from how the system is so tied to drawing and artistic consistency. Also helps that it normalizes carrying around those neat little circular doodlepad thingies. Kinda scary how fast news travels among witches.
魔法使いの「熟練度」が、描く技術や一貫性にこんなに直結してるシステム、めちゃくちゃかっこいいよね。あと、あの可愛い丸いスケッチパッドを持ち歩くのが普通になるのも良い感じ。 魔女たちの間で情報がすぐ広まるの、ちょっと怖いな。普通くん+62
cyberscythe
> Kinda scary how fast news travels among witches. it's probably trending on the witches-only social media platform, which i assume is called Hexagram
うわ、魔女たちの情報網の速さ怖すぎるッ! 絶対「Hexagram」って名前の魔女専用SNSでトレンド入りしてるやつだこれ感情くん+42
Atario
Witcher? Sagebook?
それな、ウィッチャーかセージブックで拡散されてそうだね。普通くん+10
nuttycompany
Hex (previously known as tWitchter)
草www tWitchterって名前変わったんか ワイ知らんかったわ どっちもアニメと関係なさそうやけどな2ちゃん+7
darthvall
Lol, considering the art relevance, imagine the chaos if they developed automated drawing magic aka AI
ははっ、美術の重要性を考えたら、もし自動で絵を描く魔法=AIが開発されたらどれだけカオスになるか想像してみてよ!感情くん+13
BuckeyeBentley
> Kinda scary how fast news travels among witches. Yeah it never made sense to me how the girls would have heard that in less than a day.
確かに。どうやって一日も経たずに噂が広がったのか、あれはちょっと無理がある気がする。普通くん+9
StylizedPenguin
We see Qifrey calling someone on a phone-like circular device in this episode, so nigh-instantaneous, long-distance communication exists in this world.
せやな、今回の話でキーフレイが電話みたいな円形デバイス使って誰かと話してたやん。つまりこの世界にはほぼ瞬間的な長距離通信手段が存在するってワケやな。2ちゃん+12
Eckish
They also said that every book on magic is immediately duplicated in that tower library. So they seem to have spells with worldwide awareness. It would make sense if they have a "forbidden magic detector" type of spell. It might have been almost immediately known by many people that Coco cast that spell.
確かに、あの塔の図書館で魔法書が即座に複製されるって言ってたし、世界規模で感知できる呪文がありそうだよね。「禁術探知魔法」みたいなのがあってもおかしくない。ココがあの魔法を使ったのも、もうすぐ多くの人に知られちゃうかもね。普通くん+7
BuckeyeBentley
True but why do *children* know. He asked permission from his superior, why would the info trickle down so fast? I can sort of figure a path for that info to trickle down knowing manga spoilers but it's a *stretch*. It's really just a plot hole we just have to move past.
せやな、でもなんでガキどもが知ってんねん。上司に許可取っただけやろ、情報がそこまで早く降りてくるか? 漫画のネタバレ知ってるから一応ルートは想像できるけど、無理あるンゴwww。まあ穴は穴やし、スルーするしかないわな。2ちゃん+6
maliwanag0712
One thing that I wanna emphasize is that the OP for the series is really good! Both the music by Eve and the visuals perfectly encaptures how magical WHA universe is.
マジでこのアニメのOP良すぎるッ!Eveの音楽も映像も、WHAの世界観の魔法感を完璧に捉えててエモすぎる!優勝!感情くん+64
whothis119232
Eve and suis from yorushika. Who is probably one of the best bands that I know of.
確かに!ヨルシカのsuisとEveの組み合わせは最高すぎるよね。あのバンドは本当に天才だと思う。普通くん+17
CuriousWanderer567
Really like the song and the visuals of the ED as well.
EDの曲も映像もめっちゃ良くて草 本編と同じくらい凝ってるやん2ちゃん+10
Kamumule
Goodbye frieren Friday, hello atelier Monday
フリーレンフライデーとはおさらばだな、代わりにアトリエマンデーが来たってわけだ普通くん+59
Mundology
Peak fantasy after peak fantasy
フリーレン金曜終わって、とんがり帽子月曜が来たか 至高のファンタジーが至高のファンタジーを呼んどるやんけ2ちゃん+8
pinweed
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Witch Hat 2: If this level of quality is gonna be the average for the rest of the show then we have nothing to worry about. Of course it's weaker than episode 1. It for example lacks that level character acting sakuga that episode 1 had. Still it was quite strong overall. Story wise I'm not sure how many agrees with me, but I find the character Qifrey a bit creepy and strange. Also it seems that the author of this really wanted to tell us the feelings of Coco rather than showing. We really didn't need to be told by her that she is scared of magic she doesn't understand due to what happened in episode 1, we know. It is however interesting to learn about this magic system and it seems to have a nice level of depth and complexity and could be quite interesting to see how it develops from here. I would like to see some limitations and how you become a better witch. What stops a novice from drawing a incredibly strong spell? And what is the difference between a strong witch and a newbie? Overall though a nice episode and I will keep watching!
**とんがり帽子のアトリエ 第2話** このクオリティが平均なら安心だね。さすがに第1話よりは弱いけど。キャラ作画のサクサク感が第1話ほどじゃなかったし。でも全体的には結構良かった。 ストーリー面では、俺だけかもしれないけどキーフリーちょっと不気味で変なキャラに感じるな。あと作者はココの気持ちを「見せる」より「語らせたい」んだろうな。第1話の出来事で未知の魔法に怯えてるのはもうわかってるし、わざわざ説明されなくてもいいのに。 でも魔法システムの深さと複雑さは面白そうで、これからどう発展するか楽しみ。制約とか、どうやったら魔女として成長できるのか知りたい。初心者が強力な魔法を描くのを妨げるものは何なのか? 強い魔女と初心者の違いは何なのか? 全体的に良いエピソードだったし、続けて観るよ。普通くん+56
Plerti
>Story wise I'm not sure how many agrees with me, but I find the character Qifrey a bit creepy and strange Why would you think that of a man living with 4 underaged girls in a remote house in the middle of nowhere?
確かに、クィフェイが辺境の家で4人の少女と共同生活している設定は、一見すると不気味に映る要素だという考察は理解できる。しかし、作品全体のテーマを踏まえると、これは「師弟関係」と「秘密の継承」を象徴する配置だと思われる。彼の行動には常に教育的意図が感じられ、むしろ孤児たちを保護する役割として描かれている点が重要。制作陣は意図的にこのミスリードを仕掛けている可能性が高い。考察くん+20
HarshTheDev
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>but I find the character Qifrey a bit creepy and strange. Yea, I hope thats intentional. >Also it seems that the author of this really wanted to tell us the feelings of Coco rather than showing. We really didn't need to be told by her that she is scared of magic she doesn't understand due to what happened in episode 1, we know. This is a really big problem in anime in general. Its prevalent even in the most critically acclaimed works. These over expositionary monologues and dialogues.
同意、Qifreyの不気味さは意図的だと思う。 あとCocoの感情を「見せる」じゃなくて「語らせる」演出は確かに気になる。第1話の出来事から彼女が未知の魔法を怖がってるのはわかってるし、ああいう過剰な説明台詞はアニメ全体にありがちな問題だよね。名作でもよくある。普通くん+17
millenniumi
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The world and lore are so interesting. About what Qifrey said about the story of magic. I can't help but wonder if the current system and Witches are the real villains with how they're gatekeeping and stealing people's memories of magic. What if the ones who're spreading those forbidden books just a rebellious group who believe magic should be free and open to the world? The way some of Qifrey's other students see Coco like an outsider sort of reminds me of how they looked at Harry at the beginning.
この世界観と設定、本当に興味深い考察ができるな。 キーフリーが語った魔法の歴史について考えると、現在の制度や魔女たちこそが真のヴィランなんじゃないかという気がしてくるんだよ。彼らが魔法に関する情報を独占し、人々の記憶を奪っている現状を踏まえるとね。もしかすると、禁書を広めている連中は、魔法は世界に開かれるべきだという信念を持つ反抗的なグループなのかもしれない。 キーフリーの他の弟子たちがココを外から来た者として見る構図は、ハリーが初めて魔法界に来た時の扱いを彷彿とさせるな。この構造、制作陣の意図が読める気がする。考察くん+55
runevault
Even if it seems like the other witch group have good intentions wanting everyone to know magic, giving a child that petrification spell without telling them what it does can only be evil. You can argue neither side is good with the way one side hoards magic and the types of magic the other side uses, but in no world is the second group good.
確かに。もう一方の魔女グループが「みんなに魔法を知ってもらいたい」って善意でやってるように見えても、子供に石化魔法を効果も言わずに渡すのは悪意でしかないよな。 片方は魔法を独占してて、もう片方は使う魔法の種類がヤバいってどっちもどっちって言えなくもないけど、後者が善ってのはありえないわ。普通くん+43
CitronClassic672
Tbf the secret group gave what looked like a manual with a vast number of spells that just also included forbidden magic. For all we know the picture book also included healing spells which would’ve been really useful in another circumstance. I think it’s just two extremes. One incredibly restrictive and the other incredibly open and lax.
せやな、秘密結社が渡したのは禁術も含まれた膨大な呪文書みたいなもんやろ。絵本にも治癒魔法が載ってたかもしれんし、別の状況なら超役立ったやろうな。結局どっちも極端すぎるんや。片方はガチガチの制限、もう片方は緩すぎるって感じやな。2ちゃん+15
Z000Burst
the two extreme sound right who give out a spell book with a mass petrification spell on it like if it just simple stuff then sure, go ahead but that insane crystal spread that eat the entire area is not something you hand out to children
確かに、極端な二択は理にかなっているな。大量石化魔法が載った魔導書を誰が子供に渡すんだって話だ。単純な呪文ならまだしも、あのエリア全体を飲み込む結晶拡散は明らかに危険すぎる。制作陣は「禁術の危険性」を視覚的に強調するために、あえて極端な設定を選んだと考察できる。考察くん+19
BuckeyeBentley
You can't be handing the Anarchist's Cookbook and a bunch of materiel to a child like "have fun".
確かに、秘密組織が子供に「楽しんでね」って感じで禁術込みの魔法マニュアルを渡すのはちょっとヤバいよな。普通くん+16
Hitman7128
Tetia is adorable! She and Coco got into a (thank you)-ception. Also, it was funny when she bursted in saying "Let's eat" and her stomach growled. Poor Coco made a mistake in the seal and drenched Agott by accident. All's well though, can't wait to see how Coco grows!
テティア可愛すぎやろ!ココと「ありがとう」の無限ループしてて草www しかも「ご飯食べよ!」って入ってきて腹鳴らすのワロタw ココが印間違えてアゴットに水ぶっかけるのワイもやらかしたわ…でもまあ結果オーライやし、今後のココの成長が楽しみやンゴ!2ちゃん+43
LeonKevlar
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###Stitches! * Apprentice Coco * Agott & Coco Oh, so now Coco's scared of touching? Where was this attitude when she was scribbling tracing spells with an ominous-looking dragon on the illustration? I really shouldn't be too hard on her tho. It was her dream come true, and she didn't know that magic could be harmful. So the history of magic is basically like this: All humans benefited from it as a useful tool, but humans being humans, they ended up using this tool to harm others. Thankfully, a bunch of people who still had their conscience intact decided to erase people's memories of magic and limit its use. Yeah, that checks out. I'm not even surprised by that history lesson. If magic existed in our world, this is probably what would happen, too, except for the part where powerful people with a conscience band together to solve the crisis. It would probably be waaaay worse for us. So far, I'm liking Coco's housemates. And to no one's surprise, there's going to be at least one who's going to be antagonistic towards her. What I like about Agott is that she's not an ass, she's just not very tactful. I also like that she gave Coco some pointers at the end. I'm excited to see what kind of test Agott has in store for Coco. Edit: a word
###ステッチ! * 見習いココ * アガット&ココ ああ、今になってココが触るの怖がってるのか?あの不気味なドラゴンのイラストにトレース魔法を書き写してた時はそんな態度じゃなかったのにね。でもあんまり厳しく言えないな。彼女にとっては夢が叶った瞬間だったし、魔法が危険だって知らなかったんだから。 魔法の歴史ってつまりこんな感じだよね:人類みんなが便利な道具として恩恵を受けたけど、人間ってやつは結局その道具で他人を傷つけるようになった。ありがたいことに、まだ良心を持った連中が集まって人々の記憶を消して使用を制限したと。 うん、納得だわ。その歴史の授業に全然驚かない。もし現実世界に魔法があったら、多分同じことが起きるだろうね。ただ、権力者で良心がある人たちが団結して危機を解決するって部分は除いて。現実だったらもっと酷いことになってると思う。 今のところココのルームメイトたちは好感触だね。そして当然のように、少なくとも一人は彼女に敵対的なやつがいるわけで。アガットのいいところは、意地悪なわけじゃなくて、ただ単に不器用なだけってとこ。最後にココにアドバイスをくれたのも良かった。アガットがココにどんなテストを用意してるのか楽しみだ。 編集:一言修正普通くん+46
zairaner
> she's just very tactful. I imagine there is a "not" missing, because I wouldn't exactly call "because of you, your mother will never return to being human" the height of tact 😛
草、確かに「not」抜けてるやろwww 「お前のせいで母親は二度と人間に戻れない」って言うのが「気遣い」なわけないやんけ😛 Cocoのビビリは今更感あるけどな、その態度はあの時どこ行ったんだよって話や2ちゃん+10
LeonKevlar
I didn't even notice. Yeah, that's what I meant lol
気づかなかったわ。そうそう、そういう意味だったんだよねw普通くん+6
minnieboss
I was able to see the first two episodes a few weeks early at Crunchyroll Anime Night, absolutely one of my favorites from the showing and everything I wanted! Bug Films was right to delay things to do it the right way, because this was *beautiful*. The story, the animation, the music, everything was top-notch. This is going to be the next fantasy titan.
先行上映で1・2話見てきたンゴwww めっちゃ良かったわ!Bug Filmsがちゃんと作るために延期したのも納得や、作画がガチで美しかった。ストーリーもアニメも音楽も全部最高やん。次のファンタジーの大物になるでこれ。2ちゃん+36
CuriousWanderer567
It’s a blessing to have two fantasy titans air from one season to the next so there was no hole that’s left when the Winter season and Frieren ended.
確かに、冬シーズンとフリーレンが終わっても穴が空かなくてよかったよな。まさに恵まれてるわ。普通くん+19
MapoTofuMan
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Finally it's here. I have a bit of a story with WHA. I read the first few chapters in early 2019, and then decided to put it on hold until it gets an adaptation - which I was sure it would get given how good it was. I was not wrong...although with the minor caveat of waiting just a bit less than those who started reading it when it came out (which is going to be 10 years ago in July). Either way it was definitely worth the wait in every aspect, I don't know if WHA has Frieren-level hype moments but so far it isn't losing for me in the slice of life department at least. And the ED absolutely slaps, reminds me of Minami songs.
ついに来たか…! ワイ、WHAにはちょっとした思い入れあるンゴ。2019年初めに数話読んで「これは絶対アニメ化くるやろ」と思って一旦ストップしたんや。結果は大正解やったわ…まあ連載開始(7月で10年)から読んでた連中よりは待ち時間短かったけどな。 とにかく全部含めて待った甲斐あったわ。Frierenクラスの盛り上がりがあるかは知らんけど、少なくとも日常パートではワイ的に負けてへん。EDも神やん、ミナミの曲思い出すわ。2ちゃん+40
Syokhan
> waiting just a bit less than those who started reading it when it came out It's been 84 years... but it was well worth the wait indeed. Hope you enjoy the rest of the series!
(返信先: 最初から読んでた人よりは待ってないよ) 84年ぶりすぎる…!でも待った甲斐あったよね。このシリーズの残りも楽しんでね!感情くん+26
BaytaCosmico
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I was so captivated by the first episode, I didn't even notice that we didn't get an OP or ED. We get both in this second episode and they're both great! I'm loving this show so far. Truly looks magical and the magic feels real. I love how each episode ends with a scene frozen like the page of a picture book. The last scene of this with the two girls looks absolutely stunning. I'm liking all the apprentices at the atelier though Agott seems a bit harsh at the moment. I suspect she'll turn out to be one of those blunt outside but heart of gold characters. She's definitely hardworking and smart. I did wonder about one thing though. Agott says she and the others had to work all their lives and pass tests before becoming apprentices. How were they chosen for the tests in the first place? What separates outsiders from the chosen ones? Are the chosen just the children of the previous generation's witches? Are they chosen at random? If the general population is kept in the dark, how can someone who is not born to a witch even know that working hard and becoming one is a possibility? Curious to learn more about this.
初回でガチで引き込まれてOP・EDないのに気づかんかったわ。2話で両方来たけどどっちも良すぎやろ! このアニメマジで好き。魔法が本物っぽくて幻想的やん。毎話終わりに絵本みたいに止まる演出も草。最後の2人のシーンは作画やばすぎて泣いたわ。 工房の見習いたちもみんな良いキャラやけど、アゴットは今のところ厳しめやな。でも多分ツンデレ枠やろな。努力家で頭も良いし。 でも一つ気になったンゴ。アゴットが「一生懸命やって試験受けて見習いになった」って言ってたけど、そもそも試験の選抜基準は何なん?一般人と選ばれし者の差はどこにあるん?前世代の魔女の子供だけなんか?ランダム?一般人が魔法使いになれるって知る方法すらなさそうやけど…この辺の設定もっと知りたいわ。2ちゃん+37
Druplesnubb
\>If the general population is kept in the dark, how can someone who is not born to a witch even know that working hard and becoming one is a possibility? That's the point. The general population believes that you have to be born a witch to do magic, so they never try to learn or perform any magic themselves.
確かに。一般の人が「魔法使いに生まれないと無理」って信じ込んでるから、そもそも挑戦しようとすらしないんだよね。それがポイントだと思う。普通くん+53
CodingTangents
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There seems to be barriers aside from that, mainly how intricate and specific the shapes are and that you need a special kind of ink. My little headcanon from watching these episodes that I would love to see confirmed potentially is that the witches have entirely monopolized the method of producing the ink, so even if an outsider were to copy the shape on the Pegasus carriage or something, it doesn't work and they just decide that magic is only works when drawn by natural-born witches.
確かに、単に知識が隠されているだけでなく、形状の複雑さと特殊なインクの必要性という物理的障壁も存在するな。個人的な考察だが、魔女たちがインクの製造方法を完全に独占している可能性が高い。そう考えると、たとえ外の者がペガサス馬車の形状を模写しても機能せず、「魔法は生まれつきの魔女にしか描けない」という結論に至るという流れが、制作陣の意図として非常に理にかなっている。考察くん+21
BaytaCosmico
Well, Qifrey explicitly says that you need a special pen (and ink too maybe) to draw the magic circles for the spells to work. So this much is a given. Coco is only able to cast spells because she has that pen and ink that the rogue witch gave her as a freebie with the picture book.
確かに、キーフリーも魔法陣を描くには専用のペン(とインクも?)が必要ってはっきり言ってたしね。ココが呪文を使えるのも、あのペンとインクを例の悪い魔女が絵本のおまけでくれたからだし、その辺は当然だと思う。普通くん+11
CitronClassic672
The storybook transitions really give this series the vibe of reading a fairy tale.
確かに!絵本みたいな演出まじでやばくない!?てかOPもEDもめっちゃ良かったし、世界観にどっぷり浸かれるわ~ギャル+6
imtherealdazza
A multi episode drop too???? My god this is gonna be an interesting watch
複数話一挙配信も?!これは面白い視聴になりそうだね普通くん+33
namewithak
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What a lovely OP. The frames are gorgeous, very much like Shirahama's. The storybook vibes really come through. A more subdued second episode but with important setup for Coco's new living situation and the dynamics she might have with the atelier's residents. Agott's intro was so dramatic. She and Qifrey seem opposites in personality but based on this episode alone, they both like striking dramatic poses lol. Tetia is adorable. Probably the perfect student for Coco to meet first as she's so warm and welcoming. The two of them ending up in a thank you loop was hilarious. Who would have stopped it first if Richeh hadn't been there? This episode's animation is probably what most of the show is going to look like (with moments of insane sakuga in more important scenes). Which is still gorgeous but much more sustainable and achievable for a whole season than the first episode's movie quality. Having seen the wonderful quality of these first two episodes and the news that the whole first season is apparently finished makes me hopeful that this adaptation will (mostly) live up to the manga.
【OP】 OPめっちゃ良くね?草 フレームの一枚一枚がガチで美しいんやけど、まさに白浜先生の世界観そのものやわ。絵本みたいな雰囲気がガンガン出とるわ。 【2話】 2話はちょっと落ち着いた感じやったけど、ココの新しい生活環境とかアトリエ住人との関係性の布石がちゃんとあって良かったンゴ。 【アガット】 アガットの登場シーン、ドラマティックすぎて草生えたw キーフリーとは真逆の性格っぽいけど、ポーズ決めるのが好きなとこは似た者同士やなw 【テティア】 テティア可愛すぎィ! 最初に出会うには完璧な生徒やわ、あの温かさがな。 ココとお礼ループにハマってたの草。リーチェがいなかったらどっちが先に止めたんやろなw 【作画】 今回の作画が多分この作品のデフォやろな(重要なシーンでは神作画くるけど) 1話の映画クオリティをシーズン通しては無理やけど、それでも十分美しいし現実的なラインやわ。 【総評】 2話まで見てこのクオリティで、しかも1期全話完成済みってマジ? これなら漫画に(大体は)追いつけるやろなって希望持てたわ。2ちゃん+26
potentialenergy20
I used to pray for times like this. Peak has arrived !!
こういう時をずっと待ってたよ。最高が来たね!!普通くん+28
Zero3020
Zamn that bread animation, gave me MT flashbacks.
パン作りの作画ガチでやばいやんwww MT思い出してもうたわ2ちゃん+28
Jacob-C
Right?! Speaking of MT, aren't we getting a new season of that soon too? Fantasy enjoyers are eating good!
確かに!MTの新シーズンももうすぐだよね。ファンタジー好きにはたまらん時期だわ!普通くん+7
tarutaru99
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Visual/art direction is superb so far—the storybook aesthetic hits and they've delivered excellently with the cuteness. The sakuga seems to be very dynamic as well. Given that it's slated to only be 13 episodes, it gives me more confidence to believe that the quality will stay consistent for the whole run. One thing I'm wondering though, why is it that they call mahoutsukai, witches? Is it just creative liberty?
現時点での映像表現と美術監督は極めて優秀だ——絵本のような美学が的確に決まっていて、可愛らしさを完璧に表現できている。作画も非常にダイナミックな印象を受ける。全13話という構成を考慮すると、このクオリティが全編通して維持されるという確信が持てる。 ただ一点気になるのは、なぜ魔法使いを「ウィッチ」と呼んでいるのか?単なる創造的翻訳なのか、それとも何か意図があるのだろうか。考察くん+24
namewithak
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I've never wondered why they use the term witches since I never really encountered the original Japanese term until the anime but Kamome Shirahama has collaborated with Western media many times before (notably, drawing covers for DC/Marvel comics). It's possible she chose it herself for the English translation since she likely speaks or understands English. I know for a fact that the English LN translator for Ascendance of a Bookworm frequently consulted the author on what terms would suit the story best (shoutout to u/Quof!) so maybe it's a similar deal for WHA.
確かに、原作の日本語タイトルを知るまで「魔女」って呼ばれてる理由を深く考えたことなかったな。白浜鴎先生はDCやマーベルのカバーを描いてたから英語に詳しいし、自分で英訳を選んだ可能性はありそう。『本好きの下剋上』の英訳者が作者と用語を相談してた例もあるし、同じようなケースかもしれないね。普通くん+15
HungryGull
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All possible translations carry different connotations. Magician suggests sleight of hand. Wizard or sorcerer suggest a certain amount of grandeur. Something like conjurer or enchanter suggests something about how they work magic (and while enchanter is arguably accurate, that's something that they're keeping on the down low in the story). Witch is somewhat gendered but also has that fairy tale association and (due to witchcraft) something of a hands-on feel. Something like spellcaster is probably a little dry when WHA is meant to be a very wondrous series.
せやな。翻訳によってニュアンス変わるんよな。 「Magician」だと手品師感あるし、「Wizard」「Sorcerer」は大げさ過ぎる。 「Conjurer」「Enchanter」は魔法のやり方に焦点当たり過ぎやろ(Enchanterは正確かもしれんが、作中では伏せてる要素やしな)。 「Witch」は性別的やけど、童話感あって(魔女らしい)実践的な雰囲気もあるわ。 「Spellcaster」はちょっと無機質やな。とんがり帽子はもっと不思議な世界観やからな。2ちゃん+9
NanDemoKnaives
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I'm glad Richeh and Tetia are sweet, it's unfortunate how Agott is treating her knowing what happened to Coco and her mother. Though I shouldn't expect these kids to empathize with the guilt Coco feels. Unless I'm judging Agott too soon, and she's trying to help Coco since she's been a similar position.  I'm surprised Qifrey couldn't tell they were going to get splashed soon enough to get out of the way of the window lol.
リチェとテティアが優しいのはいいね。アゴットの扱い方は、ココとその母親に何があったか知ってるだけに残念だけど。でも、子供たちにココの罪悪感を理解しろってのは酷かも。もしかしたらアゴットも似たような立場だったから助けようとしてるのかな。まだ判断は早いかもね。 それと、キーフリーが窓から水をかけられるって気づかずに避けなかったのは意外だったわ笑。普通くん+22
CodingTangents
原文
I think Agott's reaction makes a bit of sense given that she is a child, and that she clearly values effort a lot. From her perspective, Coco entirely skipped the beginning steps and ended up learning magic at her atelier just because she got lucky, and Coco also murdered her mother while doing that. Agott seems very confident that they can't undo the spell, and we don't know enough to say that the mother can be saved at all. It is equally possible that Qifrey lied about being able to save the mother in order to get Coco to train under him. He gets to take her in after she doesn't have a home anymore, and she also can help him track down the witch who was selling the picture book. To Agott, this girl just showed up, skipped the line, broke the secrecy of all witches, and also murdered her mother and now she got everything she ever wanted and is all cheery. It's very harsh and unempathetic reasoning, but something I can see a child coming up with.
アゴットの反応はまあ子供やし分からんでもないわ。彼女なりに努力を評価してるんやろ。ココはラッキーでいきなりアトリエ入って魔法覚えた挙句、母親殺しちゃったわけやしな。 アゴットは呪文は戻せないって確信してるっぽいけど、母親が助かるかどうかはまだわからんやろ。キーフリーが「母親助けられる」って嘘ついてココを弟子にした可能性もあるしな。家なくしたココを引き取って、絵本売ってた魔女も追跡させるってわけや。 アゴットから見りゃ、この娘がいきなり割り込んできて魔女の秘密バラして母親殺したのに、欲しかったもん全部手に入れてニコニコしてるようにしか見えんのやろな。えげつないし共感もないけど、子供の考えることとしてはわからんでもないンゴwww2ちゃん+25
El_grandepadre
Those windows remind me of the Skyrim puzzle doors.
あの窓、Skyrimのパズル扉思い出すんだけど!やばくね?!ギャル+21
99acrewood_
原文
Oh man, I'm immediately so into this show. Between this and Frieren I'm finding myself swept away by magical worlds in a way I haven't felt for what feels like forever (for someone who started watching a bunch of stuff again relatively recently). The art is stunning, I forget to look at the subs while I'm just taking every scene in. The picture-book look works so well. I don't tend to read the manga of most of the shows I watch just due to lack of time but some of the frames make me really wanna check it out. There hasn't been anything by eve and suis I haven't loved since hearing Heikousen, and this OP gives me such joyful magic vibes. I love the contrast with the raw sound and imagery of the ED. DAMN I picked a good time to start watching anime again
この作品、めちゃくちゃ引き込まれるな。『葬送のフリーレン』と並んで、久々に魔法世界に没頭できる感覚が蘇ってきた(最近アニメに復帰した身として)。 - とにかく作画が圧巻。サブどころじゃなくて、全フレームに見入ってしまう。 - 絵本のようなビジュアルスタイルが完璧にハマってる。普段は原作読まないけど、いくつかのカット見てると気になって仕方ない。 - OPはEve×suisコンビの新曲か。『平行線』以来外れなしで、今回も魔法の高揚感が溢れてる。EDの生々しい音像との対比も秀逸。 復帰のタイミング、完璧すぎるだろ。考察くん+20
codec264
I love how they occasionally incorporate the pop-up picture book style
たまに飛び出す絵本のスタイルを取り入れるのがすごく好きだね普通くん+18
ptd163
原文
The production values continue to be crazy. The OP was great too. Not really sold on the ED though. I liked how Coco immediately wanted to learn about forbidden magic. If she wants to save her mom she knows she can't afraid of the unknown or taboo. She's going to need to use forbidden magic safely. Good introduction to more characters and the history of magic and what seems like end goal for the season (the Tower of Tomes). It was basically just an exposition dump, but I was still so engaged with it and how it built the world and its issues. Magic should be commonly known to improve the lives of everyone, but unfortunately there's those that would abuse magic so instead it must be a ruthlessly protected secret. However that's also exactly why Coco even arrived at the Atelier. It's *because* of that secret keeping that she didn't know it was a forbidden. I have a feeling this is going to be one *those* anime if you know what I mean. I'm glad I picked this up.
制作クオリティが相変わらずヤバいな。OPも良かった。ただEDは個人的にはあまりピンと来なかった。 ココが禁呪術をすぐに学びたがったのは興味深い。母親を救うためには未知や禁忌を恐れていられないと理解してるんだろう。安全に禁呪術を使いこなす必要があるという考察ができる。 キャラクターの追加紹介や魔法の歴史、今シーズンの最終目標と思われる「書物の塔」の導入は、情報量が多かったものの世界観の構築と問題提起に引き込まれた。魔法が広く知られれば人々の生活は向上するはずだが、悪用する者がいるゆえに厳重に秘匿せざるを得ないという皮肉。そしてその秘密保持こそが、ココが禁呪術と知らずに触れてしまった原因であり、アトリエに辿り着く伏線になっている。 このアニメ、わかる人にはわかる“あのタイプ”の作品になりそうだ。視聴を決めて正解だった。考察くん+19
Frontier246
原文
Tetia is such a positive vibe. I love her! The OP is like a colorful and magical storybook brought to life! Featuring Coco, Qifrey, and their fellow Witches as they practice magic and see all kinds of wonders together! Coco lost one home but she's found a new home with Qifrey and his atelier, where she will pursue magic and a means of freeing her mother. Even if now she knows the true dangers of magic. But Coco is not the only young girl at this atelier! There's also Tetia, a bubbly and energetic pink-haired girl who will thank you for thanking her! And Richeh a stoic blue-haired girl who is every bit Tetia's opposite! Though Coco doesn't make the best first impression when the other girls realize she was the one who caused the incident with the forbidden spell. Coco will also have a roomate! Agott! A black-haired girl who doesn't mine words and doesn't socialize much, but takes magic EXTREMELY seriously. Which is why she doesn't take well to someone totally divorced from the world of magic and who doesn't have any experience with it being placed in the same atelier as her. Though immediately telling her "your mother will never be human again" was a little harsh. These girls are lucky! Not only do they have Qifrey as a magic teacher, but he's also an excellent cook. Magic was limited to a select few because in the age of magic freedom there were wars and deaths in multitudes, and as such now magic is extremely regulated/restricted. Which means that if Coco is going to make it to the Tower of Tomes, she must complete the trials and become a fully-fledged witch. But while she's definitely skilled at drawing, it'll take a bit before she can make spells consistently well and isn't blasting water at her fellow apprentices. At least Agott is willing to properly correct her on where she errored! Dang, Qifrey only teaches Coco for one lesson and he's already leaving...which means Coco is alone with Agott, and Agott isn't going to treat her with kid gloves. The ED is very melancholic and serene, featuring Coco ascending a staircase, with a glass filled with all sorts of forbidden, harmful, spells...but where she seemingly despairs, she finds the resolve and the wonder to keep pressing forward with magic as a true witch.
テティア、めっちゃポジティブで好き! OPはカラフルで魔法の絵本が動き出したみたい!ココ、キーフリー、仲間の魔女たちが一緒に魔法の練習したり不思議な景色を見たりしてる感じ。 ココは家を失ったけど、キーフリーとアトリエで新しい居場所を見つけたんだな。母親を救うために魔法を追求するって決意がいい。でも魔法の本当の危険性も知ったわけだけど。 アトリエには他にも女の子がいるよ! - テティア:ピンク髪で元気いっぱい、お礼言われたらお礼返すタイプ - リチェ:青髪で無口、テティアとは正反対 - アゴット:黒髪で口数少ないけど魔法にガチ。ココが禁術の事件を起こしたって知って、最初は冷たい態度。でも「母親はもう人間に戻れない」ってストレートに言うのはちょっとキツかったな この子たちラッキーだよね。キーフリーは魔法の先生としても優秀だけど、料理も上手いし。 魔法は昔自由すぎて戦争や死者が多発したから、今は厳しく制限されてる。ココが塔に行くには試練をクリアして一人前の魔女にならないと。 絵は得意だけど、呪文を安定して成功させるにはまだ時間かかりそう。仲間に水ぶっかけちゃうし。でもアゴットがちゃんと間違いを指摘してくれるのはいいね。 キーフリーが一コマ教えただけで旅立っちゃうの?これからココ普通くん+18
HotBloodedNinja
I love when there is organized form of magic. Also, surprised there is no sign for earth. Maybe if you have the three elements- fire and water to form magma (yeah I know the logic sounds weird, lol) and wind to cool it off; you can use earth magic?
魔法体系がちゃんと整理されてるの好きやわ。つーか地属性の記号がないの意外やな。火と水でマグマ作って(おかしいってのは分かってるンゴwww)、風で冷ましたら土魔法使えたりせんか?草2ちゃん+13
Druplesnubb
That wasn't an exhaustive list of all signs.
確かに、あれは全サインのリストじゃなかったね。普通くん+23
ritoshishino
figured, since the sigil in the center of the spell that froze Coco's mom wasn't listed
確かに!ココの母さんを凍らせた魔法陣の中央の印紋、リストに入ってなかったもんなッ!感情くん+5
PendragonDaGreat
Saw it a couple days ago at Sakuracon. Looks even better on my desktop, especially for the dark scenes. They keep up this quality and we've got a solid 8.75 on MAL in our future. Honestly, between this and Frieren I'm hoping we get more "straight fantasy" and less "portal fantasy/isekai" in the near future.
先日サクラコンで見てきたんだ。 デスクトップで見るとさらに良く見えるよ、特に暗いシーンがね。 このクオリティを維持してくれたら、MALで8.75は確実だと思う。 正直、これとフリーレンを見てると、もっと「正統派ファンタジー」が増えて、異世界転生もの減ってほしいな。普通くん+15
Se7en_Sinner
Somebody who used forbidden magic could never be allowed to be taken in as apprentice by a witch... With the exception of Satoru Gojo, of course.
禁術使った奴が魔女の弟子になるなんて絶対ありえへんやろ…… まあ五条悟は例外やけどなww2ちゃん+13
BlobBro
First funny Qifrey is Gojo joke lmao
「キーフリーが五条ってネタ初めて見たんだけど笑ったww」感情くん+5
JJVM99
Animation is incredible. Opening is so beautiful I got a bit emotional seeing the anime fulfill it’s potential. Also I expect to see women thirsting over Qifrey in social media after today and I will be very disappointed if I am wrong.
作画がめちゃくちゃすごいね。OPが美しすぎて、アニメが本来のポテンシャルを発揮してるの見てちょっと感動したよ。 あと今日からキーフリーに夢中になる女性ファンがSNSで溢れると思うんだけど、もし違ったらめっちゃガッカリするわ。普通くん+12
BluePhoenixCG
Unfortunately for them, he has a (not explicitly canon, but come on lol) husband
それな!でも残念なことに、彼には(明らかに公式じゃないけど、もうね笑)夫がいるんだよな…ッ!感情くん+18
BruhsifiedYT
Yeah he's definitely a fruit cake with the way he acts
確かにあのキャラの行動見てると、完全にフルーツケーキだよね笑普通くん+11
Lindbrum
For real? 8D
マジで!?www それ最高すぎるッ!感情くん+6
SartieeSquared
Technically, Gojo came after Qifrey but JJK got an anime waaaaaaaay sooner
せやけど五条悟はキーフリーより後やのに、呪術廻戦のアニメ化めっちゃ早かったンゴwww2ちゃん+14
Clemastina
Well, now I understand the hype around this anime. The plot is really interesting, the worldbuilding too, and the circumstances of Coco are what makes her a good protagonist. She´s not a prodigy, nor a chosen one: She´s a normal girl who made a mistake and had the chance to redeem herself. What she knows about the book is dangerous, but at least she knows not to misuse it
このアニメの話題性がよくわかったよ。プロットも世界観も面白いし、ココが主人公として魅力的なのは彼女が特別じゃないからだよね。 天才でも選ばれし者でもなくて、普通の女の子が過ちを犯して、それを償うチャンスを得たって感じ。 あの本の知識は危険だけど、少なくとも悪用しないってわかってるのがいいね。普通くん+13
SYZekrom
Lmao when the writing makes it sound like its subtle but they drew that one symbol 67x longer than the other ones
草ァ!文章ではさりげなく見せかけてるのに、そのシンボルだけ他より67倍長く描いててワロタwww2ちゃん+11
TheStupid_Guy
原文
Great second episode. The lore about magic and how magic works was interesting, I like that it’s drawn it makes it more unique and I like it. I liked meeting and learning about the main characters (I’m assuming). The opening is great, I haven’t watched an anime with an opening done by Eve in a while. As for the ending I don’t know why but it made me tear up and get so emotional, I guess the singer just has that natural ability and I really like it. This was a fun double premiere, excited for episode 3 next week!!
2話も良かったな。魔法の仕組みとか設定が面白くて、描くことで表現されるのが独特でいいね。メインキャラたちに会えて知れて良かった。OPは久々にEveの曲聴いたけど最高。EDはなぜか涙が出そうになるほど感情揺さぶられたわ、歌い手の才能だね。2話連続放送楽しかったし、来週の3話が楽しみ!普通くん+11
Fading01
Everythings beautiful wtf.
全部が美しすぎて草www なんだこれやばいンゴ2ちゃん+12
ARES_GOD
Episode 2 dropped some very interesting stuff about the world and lore. I am really intrigued about this pact that we have was it really to protect people from abusing magic or was it just a facade to hoard power ? I am quite interested and it seems we are just scratching the surface. I have a video review if anyone is interested.
第2話で世界観と設定に関する非常に興味深い情報が明かされたな。この「契約」についてだが、本当に魔法の乱用から人々を守るためのものだったのか、それとも権力を独占するための偽装に過ぎなかったのか、考察が深まる。まだ表面をなぞっただけという感じで、今後の展開が楽しみだ。動画レビューもあるので興味があればどうぞ。考察くん+11
Prof_Acorn
原文
When people say WHA has the most unique magic system this is what they mean. It's an entire magiccraft sigil language. Every seal can be "read" to know exactly what it's supposed to do. Some people on the main WHA sub have made their own spells and have fun with it that way. Some person just made a website to make them (I haven't visited it yet, but they posted the link yesterday I think). It's such a cool component to the series and fits perfectly with the whole "atelier" thing. It's basically the art and science of magic. Every line, circle, shape in a seal means something.
WHAの魔法システムが唯一無二って言われる理由がこれだよね。完全に魔法工芸の符文学でさ、どの印章も「読めば」何をするか正確にわかるんだよ。 メインサブレでは自分で呪文作って遊んでる人もいるし、昨日誰かが作成サイト作ったってリンクも貼ってた(まだ見てないけど)。 シリーズの要素としてめっちゃカッコいいし、「アトリエ」ってテーマにも完璧に合ってる。要は魔法の芸術と科学って感じ。印章の線や円、形の一つ一つに意味があるんだ。普通くん+9
idunrin
So... are we supposed to like Qifrey and all the witches? Because they seem pretty awful, going around erasing peoples memories, and keeping magic to themselves... Is this an anime I'm just going to dislike? Because I can't stand him at the moment.
まあ…キーフレイとか魔女たちって好感持てるように作られてるんか? 記憶消しまくって魔法独占してる時点でクソやん… これワイには合わんアニメなんか? 今のところキーフレイガチで無理なんやが2ちゃん+10
Genoscythe_
No, you'll be fine.
いや、大丈夫だと思うよ。普通くん+9
BruhsifiedYT
Honestly I don't think they're exactly portrayed as the good guys, it does seem like what their morality will probably explain more in future episodes
それな!まじで言うほど完全な善人って感じじゃないよね笑 今後に道徳観とかもっと説明されるっぽいし、今は判断保留ってとこじゃない?ギャル+7
MokonaModokiES
i think the issue is you are approaching this anime as about "good and bad" when its absolutely neither. Its shades of grey. neutral with layered characters and conflicting elements even among the main cast.
確かに、このアニメを「善悪」で見ようとするのが間違いだと思う。白黒つけられる話じゃなくて、グレーゾーンなんだよね。主要キャラの中でも対立する要素がある、層の厚いキャラクターたちの話だよ。普通くん+5
itsfayevi
All I'll say is that this anime has a big morality debate that makes you want to question each faction in the story, including the supposed good guys.
せやな、このアニメはガチで道徳論争がヤバいわ。善玉とされる連中も含めて、どの陣営もツッコミどころ満載やんwww ワイ的には全員クソってわけじゃないけど、グレーゾーンで悩むのが楽しいンゴ2ちゃん+5
Magnafeana
原文
* An Eve Opening being a banger? Water must be wet then. * Why doesn’t the dub translate the Episode Title? Not this shit again, CR 🫩 * Oh my gods, is Tetia *Scottish?!* * I love the animation for the comedic segments. *** I didn’t peg Tetia to be Scottish. At least, some of her words sounded kinda Scottish-accented to me in the EN dub, but I could very well be mixing up all the lovely accents of the UK. I love the world building. I’m a sigil slut and it always gives me immense **pain** when some fantasy series handwave them away (or drop the entirely from the adaptation after X amount of episodes). So it will always be an immediate “place on the higher shelf” for me when sigils are in the world, have important, and have all this logic that *needs* to be followed. I hope all my sigil-loving fantasy friends tune in for this. Sigils are fucking cool. I still keep swinging back to Tetia. I dunno if her accent is supposed to be Scottish—maybe it’s Irish and I’m bad at catching accents—but I’d love to know the direction on her EN voice. Glory to the double drop.
考察くんの翻訳: * EveのOPが神曲なのは、もう水が湿ってるのと同じくらい自明だよな * 吹替版でサブタイトル翻訳しないの?またかよCR… * 待って、テティアってスコットランド訛りなのか? * コメディパートのアニメーション、めっちゃ好き *** テティアがスコットランド訛りだとは思わなかったな。少なくとも英語吹替版で彼女の一部の単語がスコットランド訛りっぽく聞こえたんだよね。でもUKの素敵な訛りを混同してる可能性はあるけど。 世界観構築が素晴らしい。俺はシジルマニアだから、ファンタジー作品がシジルを適当に扱ったり(あるいはX話以降で適応から完全に落としたり)すると、めちゃくちゃ**辛い**んだよ。だからシジルが世界に存在して、重要な役割を果たして、厳密な論理に従う必要がある作品は、即座に「高評価確定」だ。 シジル好きなファンタジー仲間には絶対見てほしい。シジルはクソかっこいいんだ。 やっぱりテティアが気になる。彼女の訛りが意図的にスコットランド訛りなのかどうか——もしかしたらアイルランド訛りで、俺が訛りを聞き分けられてないだけかもしれない——けど、英語吹替版の演技指示がどうなってるのか知りたい。 2話連続配信、最高だな。考察くん+9
Magnafeana
原文
Oh *really?* Now that’s interesting to me. I’d like to know the directing notes because I would’ve thought we were in Fantasy-Not-UK. Could absolutely go for some more non-Anglo accents though (though I know Ireland and Scotland have their native languages too)! I feel like we don’t get too many of those in EN dubs outside of *maybe* vaguely Spanish or vaguely French-accented English if the mood calls for it.
へえ、それは興味深いね。監督の意図が気になるな。俺もファンタジー版イギリスだと思ってたわ。 でももっと非イギリス系のアクセントは欲しいよね(アイルランドやスコットランドにも独自の言語があるのは知ってるけど)!英語吹き替えだと、雰囲気に合わせてスペイン語風とかフランス語風の英語がちょっと入るくらいで、そういうのあんまり多くない気がする。普通くん+6
BosuW
Okay if the dub is good and accented I'm gonna have to check it out later because that seems pretty immersive
吹替版がアクセント付きでちゃんとしてたら後でチェックせざるを得ないンゴwww 没入感やばそうやん2ちゃん+5
DarkAlphaZero
The English dub is *really* good, all the witches have various European accents while Coco and her mom have American accents, it really helps sell Coco as an outsider and that Witches have their own society separate from non Witches.
英語吹き替え版はクオリティが非常に高いな。魔女たちがそれぞれ異なるヨーロッパ訛りを使い分け、ココとその母親だけアメリカ訛りなのが、ココが魔女社会の外部者であることを強調する演出として秀逸だ。この声優陣の意図的な訛りの使い分けは、魔女と非魔女の隔絶した社会構造を視聴者に自然と理解させる伏線になっていると思われる。考察くん+7
Zeikos
原文
So it's basically a programming language? You can encode effects through the shapes and then activate them when you close the circle. The window portal is very interesting since it shows that from one circle you can actually obtain many effects by performing transformations on it. I wonder if they implemented something akin a state machine, a magic circle capable of dynamically changing its own configurations based on input. Implementing a Turing machine from this looks fairly trivial.
つまり魔法のプログラミング言語ってことか? 図形で効果を符号化して、円を閉じると発動する仕組み。 窓のポータルは特に面白いな、一つの円から変換を加えるだけで複数の効果を得られるってことだから。 状態機械みたいなもの、つまり入力に応じて設定を動的に変えられる魔法陣が実装されてるのか気になるな。 チューリングマシンをこれで作るのはかなり簡単そうだね。普通くん+8
27eggs
原文
The entire 2 episode premiere I was waiting for the creature to appear. A brief snippet of a brush bug in the opening? I'll take it. Qifrey's voice is a bit different from how I imagined him but he definitely grew on me the more he spoke. What a gorgeous gorgeous show. I'm hoping I connect with it a little more animated than I did reading it but I'm excited to tune in for the visual treat. Also i was entirely unaware eve was doing the opening until I heard him sing. This feels like a very eve series so I'm not surprised but I'm happy to hear him get to do a prettier song opening for a change.
最初2話、ずっとクリーチャー出るの待ってたンゴwww OPでチラッとブラシバグ映っただけかよ草 キーフリーの声、ワイの想像とちょっと違ったけど喋るたびに慣れてきたわ。マジで美麗すぎるアニメやん。原作よりアニメの方がハマれるといいな、とりあえず映像美楽しみにしてるわ あとEVEがOPやってるの全然知らんかった。このシリーズめっちゃEVEっぽいから驚かんけど、今回はいつもより綺麗めなOP曲で嬉しいわ2ちゃん+10
CrimsonGear80
his dub voice is sexy as hell.
確かに、吹き替え版の声がめっちゃセクシーだよね。普通くん+6
lasse1408
原文
Okay so witches can't atk other ppl. What stopping kings with army from enslaving witches and use them as they wish or just simply wiping them out? Qifrey said they can use magic on tools. What stopping ppl from using it to enchant swords/armour and still use magic as tool of war? Also healing magic exists yet you can't use it. that means countless lives were lost bcs witches just kept their secret. Rly strange prohibition imo. Hope future episodes explain it more.
うーん、確かにこの設定は興味深い矛盾をはらんでいるな。まず「魔女が他人を攻撃できない」という原理は、魔女間の倫理規定というより、魔法そのものの本質的制約なのかもしれない。もし単なる取り決めなら、王権を持つ者が魔女を奴隷化したり、戦争利用するのを防ぐ実効性に疑問が残る。 次に「道具に魔法を込められる」点だが、これこそが危険な抜け道だ。剣や鎧を強化すれば、間接的に戦争に利用できる。キーフリーの言及は、魔法の軍事転用を防ぐための「禁止事項」ではなく「現実的なリスク」を示唆している可能性が高い。 そして治癒魔法の非公開問題——これは最も倫理的に難しい。秘密を守ることで失われた命を考えると、確かに「禁止」の合理性を疑問視せざるを得ない。もしかすると治癒魔法には代償や副作用があり、公開することで別の悲劇が生まれるのかもしれない。今後のエピソードで、この禁止令の背景にある世界観の理屈が明かされることを期待したい。考察くん+11
Haha91haha
Maybe there is some twist to healing magic that makes it taboo, equivalent exchange or something FMA style that means helping some takes from others, or the magic being used on a person has a bad effect down the road. The nice thing to pick up from this series is only 2 episodes in you can tell how thoughtful the power system is, like Coco we're all intrigued to explore.
せやな、治癒魔法に何か裏があって禁忌扱いなのかもな。鋼の錬金術師みたいな等価交換で、誰かを助けると別の誰かから奪うとか、使われた側に後々悪影響が出るとか。 てかこのシリーズ、たった2話でパワーシステムの練り込み方がガチで分かるわ。ココみたいにワイらも探究心くすぐられるンゴwww2ちゃん+16
Z000Burst
i am betting the issue is precision the human body is fiendishly complex, if you draw a magic rune for healing, how would it know what to heal or how to heal it
確かに!人体って複雑すぎるから、治癒魔法のルーンを描いても「何をどう治すか」がわからなくてヤバそう。精度の問題ってマジで核心ついてるわ。感情くん+22
Zemahem
That's a good point. It's likely unlike the usual "point to heal" type of magic, and more like performing surgery. Except with just a pen. One stretched out line, and rather than just making a pressurized water jet, you end up making the patient's blood vessels burst.
せやな。普通の「回復魔法」って感じじゃなくて、手術みたいなもんやろな。しかもペン一本でやるってガチで怖いわ。線一本伸ばしただけで、患者の血管ブチ切れるってことやろ?草2ちゃん+10
mekerpan
I was surprised at the ban on healing magic per se? I wonder if they can do medical/health related magic that is helpful but not cast directly onto a person?
それな!治癒魔法自体が禁止ってまじでびっくりじゃん?直接人に使わない医療系の魔法とかはありなんかな?気になる〜!ギャル+5
Zemahem
原文
The thing is that witches have access to magic and the kings and their armies don't. I bet they can get really powerful to the point that a single individual can be a one-man army. And they also have contingencies against people finding out about magic in the first place. Like the memory erasure, and probably more. But hey, maybe we will see those issues at some point. Especially if there exists witches that aren't willing to play ball with the secrecy, and decide to just spread magic to the non-witches. Like the one that sold Coco the spell book and "magic wand". Good point about healing being forbidden too. It's strange enough that there's gotta be a story behind that. My guess is that it's easy to mess up and cause cancer or something like that.
確かに、魔女側に魔法があるから軍隊ごときじゃどうにもならなそうだよね。一人で軍隊並みの力を持てるレベルまで強くなれるんだろうし。 それに記憶消しとか、魔法の秘密を守る手段も用意されてるしな。 でも今後、秘密主義に従わない魔女が出てきて、非魔女に魔法を広める展開もあり得るかも。ココに魔法書と杖を売った奴みたいなのがな。 治癒禁止も気になるな。失敗すると癌とか引き起こす可能性があるとか?何か背景がありそうだ。普通くん+10
taldirkao
原文
Cause the road to hell is paved with good intentions, maybe back when they made the pact the ones who did had noble goals (still shitty to use mind control on the whole damn world), but as time went on it turned into the twisted "for the greater good" version. The teacher guy even says that it's forbidden to use spells that manipulate thoughts and emotions, when in the previous episode he was acting all casual about memory wiping her. The "good" witches remind me of the jedi and their hypocrisy.
確かに、その考察は興味深い。魔法使いが他人を攻撃できないという制約自体が、逆に権力者による搾取を防ぐ仕組みとして機能している可能性が考えられる。だが、歴史的に見れば「善意」で作られたシステムほど歪みやすい。この作品の世界観を踏まえると、過去に契約を結んだ魔法使いたちが「より大きな善」のために全世界に記憶操作をかけたという設定は、まさに地獄への道が善意で舗装されている典型例だ。しかも、先生が前回のエピソードで記憶消去を軽く扱っていたのに、今回「思考や感情を操作する魔法は禁じられている」と言い放つ矛盾は、まさに「善玉」魔法使いの偽善を浮き彫りにしている。これはスター・ウォーズのジェダイ騎士団の欺瞞構造と完全に一致するな。考察くん+10
Falsus
> Okay so witches can't atk other ppl. What stopping kings with army from enslaving witches and use them as they wish or just simply wiping them out? Well when one side has the all powerful magic that can do almost anything that they can make runes for and the other side got just regular ass weapons I know I am going to say the magic side doesn't have to worry about much.
せやな、でも魔法側がほぼ何でもできるルーン魔法持ってんのに、向こうがただの普通の武器しかないってんならワイは魔法側がそこまで心配することないと思うンゴwww2ちゃん+8
CodingTangents
原文
I'll quote something I replied elsewhere with since I think the theory makes a lot of sense: With how technical the magic system is given to me, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason is that healing magic is right next to killing magic. The way I am envisioning it, healing magic has to change the body and the magic system seems too technical to privilege a healthy body over a dead one. It doesn't seem to have any moral preferences built into it; it is geometric and mechanical, spells do what the shapes dictate, and there is no indication that good spells are easier to perform than bad ones. Healing spells might not be in a separate category from killing spells. There might just be one spell to change the body, which can either heal or horribly disfigure them depending on the signs used or depending on the caster, and the witches would just rather not take that chance at all. Plus, healing sounds difficult as hell. The spell that Coco used to freeze her house was intricate enough but specifying to magic exactly what a healthy body entails must be infinitely harder. I'd imagine a spell circle the size of a city block, just to specify this specific person, this specific ailment, and how to move the flesh from this state to that state. Plus, there are so many things that can go subtly wrong, like you draw a spell and they look healthy until they die two days later because you accidentally made the healing too strong and they have super cancer, or you mess with their brain and now they have lost their memories or can't think anymore and I'm sure the spell to fix a scrambled brain must be even larger than to fix a body.
確かにその理論は納得できるな。魔法体系がすごく技術的で、治癒魔法と殺傷魔法が隣り合ってる可能性は高いと思う。魔法に善悪の区別はなくて、幾何学的で機械的だから、体を変える呪文が治療にも変形にも使えるんだろうね。ココが家を凍らせた呪文ですら複雑だったのに、健康的な体を正確に指定するのはもっと難しいはず。治癒ミスで後日死んだり、記憶を失ったりするリスクを考えたら、魔女たちがあえて試さないのも道理だよ。普通くん+5
WBRileyDesign
Without spoiling much, each of your questions gets explained to a point later on. Maybe not fully, and maybe the answer isn't really one you like, but the author does address them.
確かに!ネタバレなしで言うと、その質問は後々ちゃんと説明されるよ。完全にとは言えないし、納得いく答えかは別だけど、作者はしっかり向き合ってるんだよね。感情くん+5
CartoonyWy
If you ask me, healing magic being forbidden sounds kinda stupid and irresponsible.
俺からすると、回復魔法が禁止って結構バカバカしくて無責任だと思うんだけど。普通くん+7
Ree_For_Thee
Probably to enact the illusion that magic "can't" affect the body at all. It seems like they performed memory deletion magic on the whole of humanity just to hide it.
確かに!「治癒禁止」って設定、一見バカバカしく感じるよな。でも実は、人間全体に記憶消去の魔法かけて「魔法は絶対に身体に影響しない」って偽りの常識を刷り込んだってことか…しんどすぎるッ!その発想エモいわ。感情くん+8
Raknel
I feel like healing magic has the biggest risk of backfiring, so it kinda makes sense. What if you heal someone wrong and now they're in constant pain, or you wanted to stop someone from bleeding but their body now stopped producing blood cells? Stuff like that. While not ideal, it's probably easier to just ban healing magic rather than police it.
確かに言われてみれば、治癒魔法って一番副作用のリスクありそうだよね。間違って治したら一生痛みが続くとか、止血しようとして逆に血を作れなくなるとかさ。完璧じゃないけど、監視するより禁止しちゃう方が楽ってのも分かる気がする。普通くん+6
Chance-Okra-9198
原文
OP and ED are so good. The magic system is really cool where everyone can use it but yeah human nature can't maintain peace if they can do anything. I already like the side characters and that interesting librarian's trial. I also love how the lighting changes with the mood, it really elevates the scene. Coco is fun and her trying hard to dry Agott made me laugh. This season is stacked with peak after peak!
OPとED、どちらもクオリティ高いよな。魔法体系も秀逸で、誰でも使えるからこそ人間性が平和を維持できないってテーマが深い。サイドキャラも既に魅力的だし、あの司書の試練も興味深い。場面に応じて照明が変化する演出も芸術的で、シーンを格段に引き立ててる。ココはキャラが立ってて、アゴットを乾かそうと奮闘する姿には笑った。今期は最高の連続だな、これは考察が捗る。考察くん+8
OhDearGodRun
Animated Qifrey... 😳 The English dub is pretty good. Agott sounds older than I expected, and I need to hear Richeh and Tetia speak some more but it's nice.
アニメのキーフリー…😳 英語吹き替え結構いいね。アガットは思ったより大人っぽい声だったけど、リチェとテティアはもうちょっと聞いてみたい感じ。でも悪くないと思う。普通くん+8
CooroSnowFox
This is one theyre pouring stuff into being amazing... Well that and Qifrey's voice is melting...
やばくね!?このアニメめっちゃ力入れてるじゃん! てかQifreyの声が溶けるようにカッコよすぎるんだけど笑ギャル+5
EffectiveMagazine915
Qifrey seeming sus with only little girls as his students
確かにキーファは生徒が小さな女の子ばかりで怪しいな普通くん+8
Incineron
Oh my fucking god, it's the perfect anime adaptation
マジかよッ!完璧すぎるアニメ化だこれッ!!感情くん+8
TheDoctorHam
原文
It's an excellent bit of voice casting to have Coco speak with an American accent while the other witches (so far) all speak with accents from some part of the UK. Brilliant bit of subtle storytelling that sets Coco even further apart from the rest. It's very possible JP's acting mirrors that idea but of course I can't really tell Japanese regional accents apart. That said, something about Tetia's line delivery makes her harder to understand than the others, and the effect is making me concentrate more on understanding what she said. Think I'll stick with JP dub for this one.
ココにアメリカ英語のアクセントを持ってきて、他の魔女たちがイギリス英語なのはめちゃくちゃ上手いキャスティングだよね。それだけでココが他の魔女たちと一線を画してるのがわかる。日本語版も同じような演出なのかもしれないけど、俺には日本の方言の違いまではわかんないや。 ただ、テティアの話し方だけは他のキャラより聞き取りづらくて、逆に集中して聞いちゃう効果があるな。今回のアニメは日本語吹き替えで観ることにしよう。普通くん+8
No_Name0_0
Qifrey va really giving big bro Tanjiro vibes
草、Qifreyが炭治郎の兄貴感出しすぎててワロタwww 確かに言われてみれば似てるンゴねぇ2ちゃん+6
Goalieskills
My glorious king, Gojo! You've returned!
まじでゴジョー様キターーー!!待ってたよこの瞬間!!笑ギャル+8
burritoxman
Has anyone seen Satoru Gojo and Qifrey in the same room? I thought not
確かに言われてみれば、五条悟とキーフリーって同じ空間にいたことないな。面白い発想だね。普通くん+7
blosh-dot
I hate to start the fandom brainrot early but Agott is so gay. The second I saw I was like, that is a lesbian if I've ever seen one
草、早速始まったな アゴットってガチでレズやん ワイも見た瞬間「これレズやろ」って思ったわwww2ちゃん+7
szalhi
Welcome to your new home Coco. But of course, home is wherever she is, that's in her name Koko.
ココ、おかえりなさいッ!でもホントは彼女のそばこそが「家」なんだよな。だって名前のKoko(ここ)ってそういう意味だし。エモすぎるッ!感情くん+6
dweakz
holy reactionary on my part but... yeahh this is gonna slot in to one of the greats of all time huh?
草、ワイもそう思うわ。でもガチでこれ、歴史に残る名作の仲間入りするやろなwww2ちゃん+6
Syokhan
Well there is a reason why it's such a beloved manga, and often mentioned alongside Dungeon Meshi and Frieren. Not saying that it's going to resonate with everyone, but it does with a lot of people.
それな。ダンジョン飯や葬送のフリーレンと並んでよく語られる人気漫画なのには理由があるよ。全員に響くとは言わないけど、多くの人には刺さる作品だと思う。普通くん+11
Icemna16
As a fan of the manga, man I am smiling like a little kid lol. Wonderful opening too!
マンガからのファンだけど、もう子供みたいにニヤニヤが止まらん笑。OPも最高すぎるッ!感情くん+5
Nachtwandler_FS
OK, so it has an actual simple but well-though magic system. And, as it is technically accessible to anyone, they obviously had to limit it. I hope we'll see more of it explained. Also, for some reason I though the black haired appretince was a boy? I wonder, how many witchers are out there concidering Qifrey is one and there is at least one other guy in the PVs.
確かに魔力システムはシンプルだけどよく考えられてるよね。誰でも使えるって設定だから、当然制限も必要だったんだろうな。もっと詳しい説明が見たいところだ。 あと、なんか黒髪の弟子って男の子だと思ってたんだけど?キーフレイ以外にもPVに出てた奴がいるし、魔法使いってどれくらいいるんだろうね。普通くん+6
TaskAltruistic3746
I was not expecting eve and yorushika vocalist for the op demn
まじで!?OPにEveとヨルシカのボーカルが来るってやばくね!?全然予想してなかったんだけど!!ギャル+8
SalamanderOk1817
What a visual threat this show is. I have read the manga and I think this is a really good adaptation so far. They did a good job capturing the magical vibe from it. Can’t wait the rest of the season
草、このアニメ作画ガチでやばいやんwww 原作読んでたけど、ここまで良い再現度とは思わんかったわ。魔法の雰囲気もちゃんと出せてるし、今期マジで楽しみやわ2ちゃん+5
lordposedyon
Opening of the year secured.
今年のOPは確定だね。普通くん+6
Shadowmist909
Well it seems like info about Coco sure spread around fast. I thought being an outsider would be something she'd have to hide, but it seems like it's too late to worry about that now. It seems like getting doused by water is something both Qifrey and Agott shared in this episode!
草、ココの情報拡散早すぎィ!外の世界の人間って隠すもんかと思ってたけどもう手遅れやなwww 水かけられるの、キーフリーとアゴットで共通点あんのかよ草生えるンゴ2ちゃん+6
TheSeventhCoIumn
Delicious, finally some good fucking food (the bread)
美味しそう、やっとまともな飯(パン)が出てきたね普通くん+5
SmileyTheSmile
Qifrey, my boy, before making your students draw complex shapes with magic people killing ink, maybe teach them basic geometry and drawing skills first...
キーフレーくんさあ!魔法で人殺し用のインク使って複雑な図形描かせる前に、まず基礎の幾何学とかデッサン教えろって話じゃね?!笑ギャル+6
Sneeakie
He already knows that Coco knows how to do that because she is a seamstress' daughter and saw her work firsthand. Agott already implies that apprentices have to do a lot of studying beforehand; she resents Coco for being an exception.
ワイ「せやな。キーフレイはココが裁縫娘で実物見てるから基礎はできてるってわかってるんやろ」 「アゴットも言うてたけど、弟子は事前にめっちゃ勉強せなあかんのや。ココだけ例外扱いされてアゴットはムカついてるんやで」2ちゃん+9
djthomp
Neat group of students, as is frequently true the pink girl is the best Agott's a bit mean or maybe just brusque, but it's probably needed at the moment if Coco is going to get anywhere with her magic and her quest to save her mom. Interesting backstory for magic overall, the magic suppression plan feels destined to fail eventually and we may be at that point depending upon where the story goes.
生徒たちのグループ構成が良いな。よくあるパターンだが、やはりピンクの子(アガット)が一番だと思う。 アガットは少々きつい、というかぶっきらぼうだが、ココが魔法を上達させて母親を救うためには、今はそれが必要なんだろう。 魔法全体の背景設定が興味深い。魔法抑制計画は結局失敗する運命にあるように思えるし、物語の展開次第では、まさにその時点に差し掛かっている可能性がある。考察くん+6
darthvall
With Agott, I wonder how they will develop the hard work vs talent conflict here. Feels like, as usual, MC will be the talented student who could overcome new challenge easily (or at least relatively easier). Meanwhile here we've seen how Agott worked very hard just to be able to get accepted into the Atelier.
それな。アゴットに関しては、努力と才能の対立をどう描くのか気になるな。 やっぱり主人公は才能タイプで新しい壁も(少なくとも相対的に)楽に乗り越えそう。一方でアゴットはアトリエに入るためにめちゃくちゃ努力してきたのが描かれてたしね。普通くん+6
Thomas_JCG
Another beautiful episode, and one that does so much heavy lifting without feeling like blunt exposition. We learn about why magic was forbidden, the quest Coco will have to take, and who the main characters are. Also, every group of girls must be composed by an extrovert, a quiet girl, and a tsundere. That's a hard anime rule even this series does not escape from.
今回も美しいエピソードだったな。大量の情報を詰め込みながらも、露骨な説明臭さを感じさせない構成は見事だ。魔法が禁じられた理由、ココが挑むべきクエスト、主要キャラクターの立ち位置が明らかになった。 また、どの少女グループも「陽キャ・無口・ツンデレ」の三属性で構成されるというアニメの鉄則、本作も例外ではなかったな。この法則性は制作陣の意図的なキャラ配置と考察できる。考察くん+5
Prof_Acorn
They are even color coded accordingly, lol.
確かに!色分けされてるのやばくない?笑 わかりやすくて助かるじゃん!ギャル+5
raveno19
原文
it is a great start, i was blown away by animation and the story seem like it will have more things to come. the explanation of magic system is great, they explained 4 basic elements, but i think there will be more in the future. i watched ep 1 again and when Coco copied the book, middle sigils of fireworks or some paper on grounds or the great frozen spell is different than 4 elements in her 1st lesson, i expected more complicated things in next eps.
ワイもこれガチでビビったわ。作画ヤバすぎやろ、ストーリーもこれから盛り上がりそうな予感しかないンゴwww 魔法システムの説明も良かったな。基本4属性って言ってたけど、まだ隠し要素ありそうやん。もう1回流したんやけど、ココが本をコピーした時、花火とか地面の紙、あと凍結魔法の中央の印が最初の授業の4属性と違ったンゴ。次回からもっと複雑なの来そうで草2ちゃん+6
CrimsonGear80
I hope the reports that BUG has already completed all episodes is true cause DAMN, this is a fucking great-looking show. I hope they do not run into any issues like they did with Zom 100. looking forward to more "Better-Harry Potter"!
BUGが全話完成してるって情報が本当ならいいな。だってマジで、このアニメめちゃくちゃ見た目が良いじゃん。Zom 100みたいなトラブルに巻き込まれないでほしい。 「Better-Harry Potter」の続きが楽しみ!普通くん+6
koteshima2nd
原文
I love love *love* fantasy stories where a clear, understandable, in-world power/magical system is introduced so simply and concisely to the audience. Lines, circles, symmetry and direction are clearly important in this world and that info is made very easily digestible to the audience. Qifrey's students already look like good kids. Agott's initial strenuous relationship with Coco is going to be interesting, I can tell. Coco basically took quite the grim shortcut into becoming a Witch's apprentice. It's also clear some higher powers are fishing her for info on that forbidden book and having her under Qifrey's wing is good surveillance. I really like the end scenes being a fairy-tale book type of pop up page. Also my god, the OP and ED are so goooood. This season is stacked with good shows.
ワイこういう「線と円と対称性で魔法が動く」って設定ガチで好きやわ。分かりやすくて草 キーフレイの弟子たちはみんないい子やな。アゴットとココの最初ギスギスしてた関係がどう変わっていくか楽しみやん。ココは魔女の見習いになるのに結構えげつない近道しとるし、上の連中が禁書の情報聞き出そうとしてキーフレイの監視下に置いてる感じもするわ エンディングの飛び出す絵本みたいな演出も良かった。OPとEDもガチで神やん。今期は良作多すぎやろ2ちゃん+6
BlindmanSokolov
I'm not here to start arguments of sub vs dub, but if you're not at least trying the dub for this one, you're doing yourself a disservice. I think it adds a lot.
まじでサブ派とかダブ派とか議論したいわけじゃないんだけどさ、このアニメのダブはマジで試す価値あるって!めっちゃ作品の魅力増してるから!ギャル+6
alconnow
The OP song - Kaze no Anthem (Eve x suis from Yorushika) will be released on 14th April
OP曲「風のアンセム」(Eve × suis from ヨルシカ)が4月14日にリリースされるって!マジで楽しみすぎるッ!感情くん+5
HotBloodedNinja
Thank you for the episode.
エピソードありがとう。普通くん+6
Jeffyboi74
We got eve singing the op too 😭😭
イヴがOP歌うとかガチで草生える😭😭2ちゃん+6
2kenzhe
原文
The magic system of this anime is really so fresh to see. It's in my opinion, like the HxH nen power system of the fantasy world. Well done, well explained, easy to understand, and interesting to see. I think among the "Big 3" of fantasy, Witch Hat Atelier definitely has my favorite powersystem/way of magic. Like every scene really shows the wonders of magic, making me feel as excited as Coco. Very nice start. We got introduced to the magic system and the other characters. We don't get too much screen time of the student just enough to understand what kind of personality they each have. The only concern I had about this anime when Bugs Film picked this up was production issues, hell, this was already delayed once, but I've heard the production is actually complete for this season now, and seeing how they could release 2 eps at once, I think I can be relieved of those worries. With this season of Witch Hat Atelier, I think Bugs Films can redeem themselves for what happened with Zom 100.
このアニメの魔法体系は本当に新鮮だ。個人的には、HxHの念能力に匹敵するファンタジー世界のパワーシステムだと思う。説明が丁寧で分かりやすく、見ていて面白い。 ファンタジー作品の「ビッグ3」の中でも、『とんがり帽子のアトリエ』は間違いなく最も魅力的な魔法体系を持っていると言える。どのシーンも魔法の驚異を見せてくれ、ココと同じように興奮させられる。 良いスタートだ。魔法体系と他のキャラクターが紹介され、生徒たちの個性が理解できる程度の適切な尺だった。 唯一懸念していたのは、Bugs Filmが制作するという点でのクオリティ問題だ。実際、一度放送延期があった。しかし、今シーズンの制作は完了していると聞き、2話同時配信できる状況を見ると、その心配は無用そうだ。 今期の『とんがり帽子のアトリエ』で、Bugs Filmは『ゾン100』の失敗を取り戻せると思う。考察くん+5
extralie
原文
Honestly, I didn't except the other characters to be introduced already. Thought there will be an episode or two with just Coco and Qifrey. There was a lot of exposition about the world and magic, and tbh this world seems pretty fascinating so far. Also, wonder if they are gonna touch on why healing magic is banned. I've seen this character multiple times before on twitter out of context from manga readers and uhh... I didn't know she was a girl until now. lmao Overall, pretty good premiere episodes... tbh, I knew absolutely nothing about this outside of the name before this, so I had 0 expectations, but I might actually read the manga once the anime is done.
正直、他のキャラがもう登場するとは思わなかった。ココとキーフリーだけで1、2話くらいやるかと思ってたよ。 世界観と魔法の説明が多かったけど、今のところこの世界結構面白そうだね。あと、治癒魔法が禁止されてる理由にも触れるのか気になる。 このキャラ、前にTwitterで漫画読んでる人たちが貼ってたネタバレ画像で何度も見たことあるんだけど…まさか女の子だとは知らなかったわ。笑 全体的にはかなり良い初回だった。正直このアニメ、タイトル以外何も知らなかったから期待値ゼロだったけど、もしかしたらアニメ終わったら漫画読むかも。普通くん+6
Equivalent-Mine5562
原文
The magic system is so creative. It's a hard system but with room to maneuver in so many different ways. I like how small errors could affect a spell, Coco drew a line longer and it led to water being shot. My question is do the lines need to be of the same size to balance out the effect? All the arrow/lines were smaller vs the one which Coco drew it larger. I'm so fascinated by the system. As for the story I'm curious if Coco's inclusion has set cat amongst the pigeon in the Witch universe or not? Qifrey describing the reasons behind the exclusivity also reveals that not many people are included like coco so her inclusion has to have an effect. I'm curious to know how the story proceeds.
この魔法体系は本当に独創的だな。ハードなシステムでありながら、多様な運用の余地があるのが興味深い。小さな誤差が呪文に影響を及ぼす点、ココが線を長く描いたことで水が発射された展開は秀逸だった。疑問なのは、線のサイズを均一にしなければ効果が均衡しないのかという点だ。他の矢印や線が小さかったのに対し、ココが描いたものだけが大きかった。このシステムに非常に惹かれる。 ストーリーについても、ココの加入が魔法使い世界に波紋を投げかけているのではないかと気になる。キーフリーが排他性の理由を説明したことで、ココのように特別に受け入れられた者がどれほど少ないかが明らかになった。彼女の存在が何らかの影響を及ぼすのは間違いない。今後の展開が非常に気になる。考察くん+5
Fools_Requiem
Agott seems like the type of character that is going to be an annoying little shit for a bit but then become Coco's biggest supporter. Seems like a common trope. Sort of like Azz-kun in **Welcome to Demon School** but I don't anticipate her immediately turning around and kissing the ground Coco walks on in a single encounter like Azz does for Iruma.
アゴットって最初はウザい小僧キャラかと思いきや、後々ココの最大のサポーターになるやつやろな。よくあるテンプレやわ。 **魔入りました!入間くん**のアズくんみたいな感じやけど、アズみたいに一回の遭遇でいきなりココに心酔する展開にはならんやろうな。そこはちょっと違うンゴwww2ちゃん+5
miloucomehome
原文
I've been reading the manga in French since 2020 and I never had the first volume (It was *constantly* sold out. Also, pandemic so limited imports of manga to Canada). So I started on volume 2, and had read the then-partial upload of the first chapter by Morning Two during the pandemic! It stopped before the petrification and Kieffrey/Qifrey's first appearance. It's been absolutely mindblowing to see how this series started and see it all animated. The opening is absolutely *beautiful* and there's just so much care being put into this adaptation. It just so beautiful...!
2020年からフランス語版の漫画読んでたんだけど、1巻がずっと売り切れでさ(パンデミックでカナダへの輸入も制限されてたし)。だから2巻から始めて、Morning Twoがパンデミック中に部分的に公開してた1話を読んでたんだよ!石化とキーフリー/キーフレイの初登場の前で止まってたんだよね。 このシリーズがどう始まったか、そして全部アニメ化されたのを見るのは本当に衝撃的だよ。OPはめっちゃ綺麗だし、このアニメ化には本当にすごい愛情が込められてる。美しすぎる…!普通くん+5
thelittleking
Well... off to read the entire manga because I don't want to wait a week for episode 3.
草、もう我慢できんで原作全巻読むンゴwww 来週まで待てるかって話や2ちゃん+5
Thor4269
原文
>Forbidden spells... healing others Healing magic is forbidden and the magic illuminati controls the technological and social advancements of their world by wiping people's memories I'm loving the show so far but to be perfectly honest this system was destined to be abused... Really loving the art and I always enjoy a good system of magic that makes sense Sort of reminds me of how Constantine will sometimes have magic circle tattoos (depending on depiction) Can't wait to see more and learn more about the world and the various applications of magic in it
禁術……他者を癒す魔法か。 治癒魔法が禁じられ、魔法のイルミナティが人々の記憶を消去することで世界の技術・社会発展をコントロールしている、という考察ができるな。 現時点ではこの作品に夢中だが、正直このシステムは悪用される運命にあったと言わざるを得ない。 美術面は本当に素晴らしく、理にかなった魔法体系を楽しめるのが良い。コンスタンティンが時に魔法陣のタトゥーを施す描写(解釈によるが)を彷彿とさせる。 今後の展開で世界観や魔法の多様な応用がさらに明らかになるのが待ち遠しい。考察くん+5
hikoboshi_sama
原文
My comment is a combined reaction to both episodes 1 and 2. It seems like the rumors that this show has already finished production before airing is true, because both episodes look consistently good. Is this perhaps Bug Films' redemption arc after Zom 100? I quite like their approach to magic. It feels like a formula. Sort of like math. Like how altering the length of one of the signs caused the pressure on the water to be stronger in one direction. This approach feels like it will be pretty easy to expand on as the show progresses. As for the forbidden magic, I do wonder why even stuff like healing is part of it. Healing feels like a good thing no matter how you slice it so i hope they expound on that later. The acting was pretty good too. Especially for Coco. When she was screaming for her mother... that shit was heart-wrenching. All in all, pretty solid start. I look forward to the next episodes.
1、2話まとめての感想だけど、どうやら放送前に全話完成してたって噂は本当みたいだね。どっちの話も安定してクオリティ高かったし。もしかしてこれ、Bug Filmsのゾン100からのリベンジマッチなんじゃないかな。 魔法の扱い方が結構好き。まるで数式みたいな感じでさ。記号の長さ変えたら水の圧力が一方に強くなるってやつ、まさに数学的だよね。この方式なら話が進むにつれて拡張しやすそう。 禁断魔法に関しては、なんで回復魔法まで含まれてるのか気になるな。癒しってどう考えても良いことじゃん。その辺は後で説明されるのを期待してる。 演技も良かったよ。特にココ。母親を呼んで叫んでたシーンは…心えぐられるレベルだったわ。 全体的にかなり良いスタート。次回が楽しみだ。普通くん+5
thencious
原文
This episode was frustrating for me. After an almost perfect FMAB-like opening, the MC completely screws up her only kin, and instead of urgently trying to do everything to save her ASAP, the episode felt like a normal first day at school of making small talks; having sparkly eyes when shown magic that coulda just killed her only kin; eating well; and not beginning studies; with only occasional scenes of her remembering that she needs to save her mom. Any normal human being in this circumstance should have been on max cortisol mode, barely eating, doing everything to try to gather intel on how to save their mother as quickly as possible. This could have been easily prevented if the author had just shown the MC gathering enough intel to know that time isn't important in saving her mom, but this was never shown. This is a very big disconnect for me that brought my overall expectation for this anime from an 8 from first episode to like a 6.5.
このエピソードは正直フラストレーションが溜まった。鋼の錬金術師的な完璧な導入の後で、主人公が唯一の肉親を大失敗させてしまうのに、すぐに全力で助けようと奔走するのではなく、まるで普通の初登校日みたいに雑談したり、母親を死なせかけた魔法に目をキラキラさせたり、しっかり食事したり、勉強も始めなかった。たまに母親を助けなきゃと回想するだけ。普通の人間ならコルチゾール全開で、ほとんど食べずに、どうやって母親を救うか情報収集に必死になるはず。作者が「時間は重要じゃない」と分かる情報を主人公に集めさせてれば防げたのに、それが全く描かれなかった。この大きな乖離で、初回の8点評価から6.5点まで期待値が下がってしまった。考察くん+5
Raknel
I mean I get where you're coming from, but technically her mother isn't confirmed to be dead or running out of time. There's that sliver of hope that she can be restored, so while she's a bit depressed, it's also too early to mourn her, and meanwhile she gets to live her dream a bit. It's a bittersweet situation plus she's trying to fit in.
確かにその気持ちはわかるけど、母親が本当に死んだり時間切れって確定してるわけじゃないんだよね。回復できる可能性がまだあるから、落ち込んでるのはわかるけど悼むには早いし、その間は夢を少し叶えられてる。複雑な状況だし、彼女も周りに馴染もうとしてるってとこじゃないかな。普通くん+7
thencious
Still hard to justify wasting a whole day before starting studies. That's way too chill for "you maybe didn't kill your only parent but we need to find a way to save her" while she's stuck in crystals without any sustenance.
せやな、確かに母親の生死は確定してないけど、丸一日勉強始める前に無駄にするのは草生えるわ。「もしかしたら親殺してないかもだけど、助ける方法探さなあかん」って状況で、しかも母親は結晶に閉じ込められて食い物もないのに、それはガチで余裕ありすぎやろwww2ちゃん+5
mekerpan
I wonder how long it will take for Agott to decide she at least sort of likes Coco?
あー、アガットがココのことちょっとは好きって認めるまでどんだけかかるんだろね笑 まじでツンデレすぎじゃない?笑ギャル+6
HolyDragSwd2500
Beautiful and breathtaking
美しくて息をのむほどだったよ普通くん+5
Alisa7272
AHHHHH, it was so good!!! i'm an anime only, but it's been a really long time i wanted to discover this story!
やばっ!めっちゃよかったじゃん!! アニメしか見てないけど、ずっとこの物語知りたかったんだよね~まじで!ギャル+5
jardex22
原文
It doesn't seem like Witches control the world, but live separately, like how the Wizard and Muggle worlds are separated in Harry Potter, except the muggles here know about magic and benefit from its effects. As for healing, the only rule is direct skin contact, If I understood it correctly. In theory, they could take a jar of ointment and inscribe a rune on the container or lid to make the contents more potent. Since forbidden magic is from the time of war, I'm guessing that using magic to revive the dead on a battlefield to keep fighting each other is the reason it's forbidden. Something along the line of FO:E's Mega Spells.
魔女が世界を支配してるわけじゃなくて、ハリポタの魔法使いとマグルみたいに別々に暮らしてる感じだね。ただ、こっちのマグルは魔法の存在を知ってて恩恵も受けてるけど。 治療については、直接肌に触れるのがルールってことか。理論上は軟膏の瓶にルーンを刻めば効果を高められるんじゃないかな。 禁術が戦時中に使われたってことは、戦場で死者を蘇らせて戦わせ続けるために使われたのが禁止された理由だと思う。FO:Eのメガスペル的なやつかな。普通くん+5
Next_Package_5710
What I want to know is if Magic is secret...who decides who can be witches versus those that live in ignorance or get their memory wiped?
「気になるのはさ、魔法が秘密だったら…誰が魔女になる人と、知らされないまま生きる人、記憶消される人を決めてるんだろう? そこが気になりすぎるッ!」感情くん+5
jardex22
原文
I'm guessing you're either born into the system, or you aren't. Witches marry each other, have kids, those kids go on to become apprentices, etc. When the girls were also asking Coco about where she came from, it felt like there was a bit of an emphasis on her not getting her memory wiped. Maybe all apprentices have their memories wiped, so they don't have any lingering attachment to the human world. That's just a theory though. We'll probably get some backstory for the others at some point.
それ、魔法使いの世界の継承システムについて興味深い考察だな。おそらく「魔法使いの家系に生まれるかどうか」で線引きされてるんだろうね。実際、魔女同士で結婚して子供を作り、その子が弟子になる——完全に閉じた循環だ。 特に注目すべきは、ココだけ記憶を消されなかった点だ。他の弟子たちは全員、人間界への未練を断ち切るために記憶を消されてきた可能性が高い。そう考えると、キーファがココを選んだ意図がより深く見えてくるな。おそらく後日、他のキャラの過去も明かされる伏線だと思われる。考察くん+8
CooroSnowFox
Definitely find out where the cracks happen as Coco cant be the only one to has skipped steps
確かに、ココだけが特別じゃないってところが鍵だよね。システムの亀裂がどこにあるのか気になるわ。普通くん+5
jardex22
She's probably not the only outsider that's discovered magic, at the very least. It seems like that masked witch was intentionally trying to spread knowledge of magic around through the picture books.
確かに!少なくともココだけじゃなくて、他の部外者も魔法を見つけてるはずだよ。あの仮面の魔女が絵本を使って意図的に魔法の知識を広めてたっぽいしな。しんどいけど、これからもっとドミノ倒しみたいに問題が起きそうで怖いッ!感情くん+5
despairiscontagious
Actually Gojo is not-qifrey
実際のところ、五条はキーフレイではないんだよね普通くん+7
jardex22
原文
You're forgetting that the magic we've seen has been to the benefit of ordinary people, like the spring that cleans itself, or the cobblestones that light up dark areas. While the witches keep the art of magic to themselves, they don't use it just for themselves. From the history of magic we saw, I can see why they might look down on regular humans. "They're the ones that use magic to destroy. They need to watched , etc." I suppose a comparison might be the option to give modern rifles to a tribe of natives. This would make hunting more efficient for them, and they'd have access to more meat, pelts, and bones because of it. They may not use it **just** for hunting though. In the past, tribes have waged wars against each other when given access to better hunting tools, so is it worth the risk now. Alternatively, you could just help them with hunting yourself. We haven't seen all the ways that magic is being used in this world, but Qifrey seems to be in the camp of using it to benefit all of humanity, rather than hoard the benefits. EDIT: Also going to add that we haven't seen cases where the humans *need* magic. It's just there to make life more convenient, but they don't suffer without it, or at the very least are capable of solving problems without it.
確かに、これまで描かれてきた魔法は、自ら清掃する泉や暗所を照らす石畳のように、一般人の生活を豊かにするために使われている。魔女たちは魔法の技術を独占しているとはいえ、それを私欲だけで使っているわけではない。 魔法の歴史を見る限り、彼らが普通の人間を見下す理由も理解できる。「魔法を破壊に利用するのは人間の方だ。監視が必要だ」という論理だ。 例えるなら、未開の部族に近代的なライフルを与えるようなものだ。狩猟は効率化され、肉や毛皮、骨の入手が容易になる。しかし、狩猟**だけ**に使うとは限らない。過去には、より優れた狩猟道具を与えられた部族同士が戦争を起こした例もある。果たしてリスクを冒す価値があるのか。あるいは、自ら狩猟を手伝うという選択肢もある。 この世界で魔法がどのように使われているかは全てを見ていないが、キーフリーは恩恵を独占するのではなく、全人類のために使う立場にいるように思える。 追記:人間が魔法を**必要としている**ケースもまだ見られていない。魔法は生活を便利にするために存在するが、なくても困ることはなく、少なくとも問題を自力で解決できる。考察くん+9
Florac
I mean, it was a complicated spell, which she only traced and was then followed by an extremely traumatic event. I wouldnt count on getting much value out of that
確かに複雑な魔法だったし、彼女はそれをなぞっただけで、その後に超トラウマな出来事が続いたんだよな。あれで価値が出るとは思えないわ。感情くん+6
GagelGag-
she doesnt remember the circle, hell she traced it she just remembers what page of the book it was on
彼女は魔法陣自体は覚えてないんだよね、そもそもそれをなぞっただけだし。 覚えてるのは本の何ページに載ってたかってことだけ。普通くん+15
jardex22
I haven't read the manga or LN, and I didn't really feel spoiled. There are characters that haven't been introduced yet, but there's no context about who they are. If anything, I suppose it does give a prominent focus to the other apprentices before they appear in the episode 5 minutes later.
漫画もラノベも読んでないけど、別にネタバレくらった感じはせんかったわ。まだ登場してないキャラもおるけど、誰やねんって文脈が一切ないし。 強いて言うなら、他の見習いたちが5分後に本編に出てくる前に、ちょっと目立たせてる感じやな。2ちゃん+5
Sotul
Well, a magical printing press would be easy enough, just have the form not have a connected circle. Then mass produce spell sheets, only needing to connect the circle to activate it.
魔法の印刷機なら簡単そうだよね。円をつなげない形にしておいて、呪文シートを量産し、あとで円をつなげるだけで起動できるようにすればいいんだ。普通くん+5
Genoscythe_
If everyone thinks you have to be born to be a witch, then I guess they just initiate their own children, that's why everyone assumes it.
草ァ!「才能がないと無理」って言われてるから、みんな自分の子供を魔女にしてるだけってオチかよwww 確かにそう考えたら納得やわ2ちゃん+8