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誰が為の魔法
近くの橋が崩れ、川の中央に取り残されてしまった人を助けてほしいとの依頼がアトリエに飛び込んできた。現場へ救援に向かおうとするキーフリーとオルーギオに頼み込み、同行することになったアガットだったが...。
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notanfan
bruh custas really wants to die
草、カスタス自殺願望強すぎやろwww2ちゃん+819
Thorn14
The self-preservation skills of a hamster.
それな、自己保存能力がハムスター並みだよね。普通くん+454
Shinkopeshon
I was gonna say, that's just natural selection at this point lol them witches aren't gonna be around all the time to save his ass
「ハムスター並みの自己保存能力ってマジそれなwww もう自然淘汰だろこれ 魔女たちがいつまでも彼の尻拭いしてくれるわけないし」感情くん+115
metaaltheanimefan
As a hamster owner i do have to say the self presevation skills depend on the hamster *custas is just a really dumb hamster*
それな!ハムスター飼いとしてはマジで個体差やばくね?笑 *カスタスはまじでバカなハムスターってだけじゃん笑*ギャル+8
cyberscythe
it seems like all children in this universe have a death drive and adults don't put their children on a leash to compensate
マジそれな。この世界の子供みんな死にたがってない? 大人も子供にリードつけて制御しようとしないし、マジで狂ってるわ。感情くん+204
Raknel
> and adults don't put their children on a leash to compensate I mean Easthies kinda did
確かにイーシーは割とそうだったね普通くん+104
cyberscythe
partially true; the leashing crucially should not be done only post hoc
部分的に真理を捉えているな。されど、鎖を繋ぐ行為は、後悔の後にのみ為されるべきものではないのだ。中二病+57
East_Statistician_88
This is how Amazon expect their workers to be.
それな、アマゾンの社員もこんな感じなのかもね。普通くん+128
LakerBlue
I get he wanted to help out his dad by retrieving their stuff after (I’m inferring) probably being partly responsible for the cart falling. Like your ambition is good but geez be more careful! I thought for sure that boulder had smushed his lower half.
それな、父親のために荷物取り戻そうとしたのは分かるけどよ、ちょっと無謀すぎやろ。確かに気持ちは分かるんやけど、もっと気をつけろや!あの岩で下半身ぐちゃぐちゃになったかと思ったわ。草2ちゃん+34
AZLarlar
bro is stupid
(返信) 「まったく、某には理解できぬ。死を望むとは、愚か極まりないでござるな。」武士+28
Ikari_21
That kid pissed me off. Stuck in a carriage in a raging river, gets saved then thinks “hey lemme go back in the raging river it’s not bad in this one tiny spot 😄” poor dad gonna have white hair in a couple years cause this kid is an idiot lol
それな。あのガキ腹立ったわ。激流の川に馬車ごとハマってて助けられたのに「よし、ちょっとあの激流に戻ってみようかな!」ってなるの頭おかしいだろ(笑)数年後にはパパの白髪増えてそう。普通くん+26
mucklaenthusiast
No, but seriously. These guys really hate not putting their lives in danger. I get they are children, but it is a tad much at times.
いやマジで草 こいつらホンマに命の危険を冒さないと気が済まないんか 子供ってのは分かってるけど、たまにやりすぎやろwww2ちゃん+6
spubbbba
There was finally a justifiable opportunity for Agot to act like an asshole and she didn't take it. That idiot kid put himself and Coco in danger after just being rescued and now his dad is demanding an apprentice save him. She'd have been justified in pointing out this is natural selection at work here.
確かに、アゴットが嫌なやつになる正当なチャンスがあったのに、それを逃したのはもったいないな。あのバカなガキは助けられたばかりでココを危険に巻き込んで、父親が弟子に助けさせようとしてるし。自然淘汰って言われても仕方ない状況だったのにね。普通くん+6
Cardandgold
What if he was a brimmed cap plant and the whole situation a set up
それなw もし彼がつば広帽子の植物で、全部が仕組まれてたとしたら草wwwおじ+5
lilelf29
I swear this whole series is propaganda to try and make the audience dislike/hate children
確かに、このシリーズは子供嫌いにさせるプロパガンダだわ。普通くん+9
Shinkopeshon
Witch Hat Atelier, also known as r/kidsarefuckingstupid
それなwww とんがり帽子のアトリエ=ガキを嫌いにさせるプロパガンダってマジで言い得て妙やわ。ワイも見てて「お前らバカか」ってツッコミ連発してるンゴwww2ちゃん+17
1Newredditor
原文
Definitely can see why Qifrey didn't want to get the Knights Moralis involved with Coco. The type of people to erase memories and ask questions later given the only confirmation they needed was who cast the spell. Like can't you at least take a look to see if the spell is still there and analyze it before casting judgement? Still cannot believe how insane the animation quality is. Every week there's something new to put my jaw on the floor.
まあ、キーフリーがココにモラリス騎士団を関わらせたがらなかった理由は分かるよ。記憶を消してから後で尋問するタイプだしな。呪文を使った本人さえ確認できればそれで済むってのが彼らのやり方だ。判断を下す前に、せめて呪文がまだ残ってるかどうか調べて分析するぐらいできそうなもんだけどな。 それにしても、アニメのクオリティは毎週驚かされるわ。新しくて度肝を抜かれるシーンが毎回ある。ドライおじ+738
saynay
For real though, are there no trials and judges for the magic police? Just straight from "you seem suspicious" to memory wiping, not even bothering establishing guilt first? Either the guy is a hard core zealot, or Brimmed Caps are so dangerous that they take no chances, and innocents be damned.
確かに。魔法治安組織って裁判とか審問とかないの?「怪しい」ってだけで即記憶消去で、有罪かどうかも確かめないって。あの男はよっぽどの狂信者か、それかツバあり帽が危険すぎて無実の人間も関係なく排除してるんだろうな。普通くん+391
Frontier246
Coco: "Don't I have the right to a fair trial!?" Knights Moralis: "We don't do that here."
それなww ココ「ちゃんとした裁判を受ける権利はないんか!?」 騎士団「ここではそんなもんないンゴ」 ワロタwwwガチで無法地帯やんけ2ちゃん+290
Independent_Row_1352
Better to mindwipe a hundred innocents that let a single criminal escape.
「公平な裁判を受ける権利は!?」に対して「ここではそんなものはない」って…正気かよッ!犯罪者一人逃がさないために百人の無実の人を記憶消去する方がマシって、それ完全に悪役の理論じゃねえか!しんどすぎる…感情くん+128
cyberscythe
> or Brimmed Caps are so dangerous that they take no chances, and innocents be damned. the Brimmed Caps seem to be handing out picture book "make your own war crimes" to random children, so it seems like both sides are just kinda throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks
確かに。とんがり帽子は子供たちに「自分で戦争犯罪を作ろう」的な絵本を配ってるし、両方とも手探りでやってるだけっぽいよね。普通くん+139
Hartzilla2007
Probably what happens when fanatics are the only magic users left.
確かに!狂信者だけが魔法使いになったらこうなるよな…マジでヤバすぎるッ感情くん+41
dude_1818
I'll take the anarchists over the fascists every time
ファシストよりアナーキストの方がマシやろ、せやな2ちゃん+10
LowlySlayer
>For real though, are there no trials and judges for the magic police? It turns out the group who mind controlled the entire world and jealously guard the secrets of their extreme power from "outsiders" maybe are not the most consciounable sorts.
確かに。全世界を洗脳して力の秘密を独占してる連中が、倫理的にちゃんとしてるわけないよね。普通くん+92
Lulukassu
When you see how much sheer destruction Coco has managed to pull off, on accident, ***two times*** You can see how dangerous magic is. Anyone who has the knowledge and the right ink is capable of more destruction than a tank 😱
せやな。ココが偶然やったとはいえ、あれだけの破壊を**2回も**やってのけたの見ると、魔法の危険さがガチでわかるわ。知識と正しいインクさえあれば、誰でも戦車以上の破壊力を持てるってことやろ😱2ちゃん+14
Jacob-C
原文
I wouldn't call it "jealously", it seems like they are mainly trying to keep the world from the ruination that awaits when people use forbidden magic for nefarious purposes. If it's available to everyone, people will eventually use it to hurt others, which is supported by several real life theories about the weaponization of technology. This is still allegedly happening with the Brimmed Caps, but it's on a much more controlled scale. The Knights Moralis are seemingly very unnecessarily absolutist in their conduct and not great listeners, though.
確かに「嫉妬」ってよりは、禁じられた魔法が悪用されて世界が滅ぶのを防ごうとしてる感じだよね。誰でも使えるようになったら、いつか誰かを傷つけるために使う人が出てくる。これは現実の技術の兵器化に関する理論でも言われてることだし。つば広帽子の連中もまだやってるかもしれないけど、管理された範囲内ってことだろうな。ただ、モラリス騎士団はやり方が極端すぎて話を聞かないのが問題だけどね。普通くん+7
Original-Body-5794
The worst part is not even the no trials, I can accept that in a story. But like, dude didn't even try to investigate further, that's just being bad at your job. If he asked questions and then deleted her memories it would be unfair but at least it would seem competent, but you literally erase the only lead you have???
確かに、裁判がないこと自体は物語として受け入れられる。問題は捜査を一切放棄してることだよな。質問してから記憶を消すならまだ不公平ながらも仕事してる感は出るけど、唯一の手がかりを消去するってどういう意図なんだろう。作者の執筆方針なのか、それともこの世界の法体系自体が未完成という伏線なのか。考察くん+10
nofaxxspitintruflego
hell the way these "coppers" condone themselves i can already feel a sense of allegiance towards the brimmed caps! atleast they're sensible and do their due diligence! grrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
確かに!この「まじかるポリス」の連中、やり方が強引すぎるよね。ツバ広帽派の方がまだ筋通ってるし、ちゃんと調べてる感じがするわ。マジでイライラするわー!!!!普通くん+6
ridik_ulass
yeah they seem to be working on warhammer 40k inquisition logic. which indicates what they are facing is some scary henious shit.
「全くその通りでござるな。魔法警察、裁判も尋問もなく“怪しい”だけで記憶消去とは、まさにウォーハンマー40kの審問官さながらの所業。彼らが相手取る輩が、よほど恐ろしい大罪人である証左でござろう。」武士+5
HungryGull
More like erase memories now, ask questions never with that order "Who put you up to this?!" "What? Who are you? How did I get here?" "Tch, another one that won't talk. These Brimmed Hats sure are good at covering their tracks..."
確かに。あの騎士団、記憶消して質問すらしないスタイルだもんな。 「誰の指示だ?」 「え?誰?なんでここに?」 「ちっ、また話さないのか。やっぱりBrimmed Hatsは後始末が上手いな…」普通くん+319
Megakruemel
原文
It's laughably easy to just pin forbidden magic on basically anyone if you don't have due process. Just have it go off near them and blame them for it. Like, I dunno, break into a window and call the police on the only witness. No wonder the brimmed hats are around with enforcers like this. In fact, this is one of the easiest to abuse justice systems I have seen in fiction for a while. AND it erases any memory of who could have framed the victim? For free???
確かに「記憶消去→即断罪」の流れは、適正手続きが完全に欠落しているな。窓を割って唯一の目撃者を犯人扱いする、という具体例を挙げると、この世界の司法制度の脆弱さが浮き彫りになる。 つまりツバ広帽子の執行官たちは、この「記憶改変」という超強力な手段を自由に使えるからこそ、無法に近い裁きをまかり通せている、という考察ができる。実際、近年のフィクションでもこれほど濫用されやすい司法システムは珍しい。 しかも「誰が嵌めたか」の証拠すら記憶から消えるって、完全にフリーパスだよな。この設定、後々大きな伏線になりそうだ。考察くん+181
cyberscythe
> It's laughably easy to just pin forbidden magic on basically anyone if you don't have due process i daresay that they're doing a witch hunt
確かに、適正な手続きなしに誰にでも禁術を押し付けられるってのは笑っちゃうほど簡単だよね。魔女狩りやってるって感じだな。普通くん+169
towardselysium
The Knight Morales get paid commission for every closed case I guess
それな!証拠もなく禁術のせいにするの簡単すぎじゃん?笑 騎士モラレスは案件片付けるたびに手当もらってんのかもね〜やばくね?ギャル+10
AceSoldia
Lmao diabolical these Brimmed Hats! They never leave a clue behind!
確かに笑えるけど、Brimmed Hatsは本当に悪質だな!証拠は一切残さないってわけか。普通くん+117
BosuW
Extremely common Brimmed Hat W
草 ブリムドハットマジで悪質やなwww 証拠残さないのガチで職人芸やんけ2ちゃん+53
Aliensinnoh
>erase memories and ask questions later Hard to ask questions after you’ve erased the memory of the only person with knowledge of what happened. No wonder these asshats haven’t found the brimmed caps.
確かに。記憶消してから質問って、事情を知ってる唯一の人の記憶を消したら質問もクソもないよね。だからこいつらがブリムドキャップを見つけられないのも納得だわ。普通くん+157
SaltAndABattery
> No wonder these asshats haven’t found the brimmed caps. Would their spinoff be called Asshat Atelier? 🤔
> 記憶消してから質問とか意味わからんやろ そりゃツバ広帽どもが見つからんわけやな スピンオフは「ケツ穴帽子のアトリエ」とか?🤔2ちゃん+75
Cass0wary_399
Dunce Cap Atelier
確かに!ダンスキャップアトリエってタイトルやばくね笑 まじでふざけてる感じがして好きなんだけどwwwギャル+32
LakerBlue
Now we also see another reason Qifrey refuses to turn over Coco. I was thinking he was afraid she wouldn’t get a fair trial but now we know that she’d not even GET one.
確かに。記憶消してから質問って、その質問できる相手がいなくなるもんな。キーフリーがココを渡さなかった理由がより明確になったね。公平な裁判を受けられないどころか、そもそも裁判すらしてもらえないってわけか。普通くん+34
Raknel
> Like can't you at least take a look to see if the spell is still there and analyze it before casting judgement? Do you even realize how much paperwork the "erase minds first, ask questions later" method saves?
まあ確かに、記憶を消す前に呪文がまだあるか確認してみるくらいはできそうなもんだよな。でも「とりあえず記憶消してから後で質問」方式がどれだけ書類仕事を減らすか、考えたことあるか?ドライおじ+58
Jacob-C
Supervisor: "Soldier, I need you to write a report on the case regarding suspect C. I believe her name was Coco." Soldier: "But sir, if this Coco doesn't even remember who she ~~is~~ was and much less that her name ~~is~~ was Coco, is a documented case and a report really necessary?"
せやな、とりあえず呪文がまだ残ってるか確認してから判断しろやって話やん。2ちゃん+10
blueechoes
I wonder what the selection/case review process is for the order because you have to be quite unimpeachable to be given that power and not be a massive danger.
確かにキーフリーが騎士団をココに関わらせたくなかった理由がわかるな。あの権限を与えられるにはかなり非の打ちどころがない人間じゃないと危険すぎると思うし、選抜やケースレビューのプロセスがどうなってるのか気になるね。普通くん+31
namewithak
Unimpeachable or simply unquestioning thugs like most law enforcement bodies in the real world tend to be?
せやな、でも現実の警察みたいに「忖度できないか単に考えないヤバい奴ら」が選ばれてる可能性もなくはないやろwww2ちゃん+8
ShinozSnow
She even says, 'My spell could not have done this.' and they respond, so you did cast a spell that could do this. Like what?!
確かに。キーフリーがナイツ・モラリスをココに関わらせたくなかった理由が分かるな。 彼女が「私の魔法でこんなことはできなかった」って言ってるのに、相手は「だからお前はこんなことができる魔法をかけたんだな」って返すんだよ。マジで何だよそれ。普通くん+8
Edymnion
> Still cannot believe how insane the animation quality is. I've said it before, the fact that its only the second anime this company has ever done on their own? And that they are putting *Studio Ghibli* to shame? Holy crap.
同意。クィフェがココに騎士団を関わらせたがらなかった理由がよくわかるな。 それにしても、このアニメの作画クオリティは信じられないレベルだ。 以前も言ったが、このスタジオが自社制作で手がけたのはたった2作品目という事実を踏まえると、スタジオジブリをも凌駕していると言える。制作陣の技術力と情熱が尋常じゃない。考察くん+7
Hitman7128
Coco's euphoria when being called "Little Miss Witch" I swear, she's so adorable That landslide was scary Normally, Agott and Coco don't get along, but good thing Agott distracted the villagers long enough for Coco to rescue Custas and herself. Of course, Agott denies they are friends. That cliffhanger... I already fucking hate the Knights Moralis
ココが「小さな魔女さん」って呼ばれてめっちゃ嬉しそうにしてたの、可愛すぎるだろ あの地滑りは怖かったな 普段はアガットとココは仲良くないけど、村人の注意をそらしてココとカスタスが逃げる時間を稼いだのは良かった。もちろんアガットは友達じゃないって否定してるけどな。 あの引きはやばい… ナイツ・モラリス、もうマジで嫌い普通くん+524
Frontier246
First time someone on the "other side" has acknowledged her as a true Witch! She's finally legit! Agott can deny their friends as much as she wants, she still genuinely cared about Coco's well-being here and actually acknowledged her. Don't mess with the Knights Moralis.
ココが「もう一人の側」から初めて本物の魔女として認められた瞬間だよな!ついに彼女は正当な存在になったんだ。 アガットは友達を否定したがってるけど、この場面では本当にココの安否を気遣ってて、ちゃんと認めてるんだよな。騎士モラリスを舐めたら痛い目見るってことだ。考察くん+253
Hitman7128
Agott is probably in a tsundere phase
(アガットよ…お前もまた、運命に抗えぬ者だったのだな) 我が目に映るアガットは、まだその心の奥底で葛藤しておる。認めたくないのだ、彼女が真の魔女として目覚めたことを。だがその視線、その態度…紛れもなくツンデレ期の兆候よ。中二病+148
Mistral-Fien
"Girl with a chip on her shoulder and wants to prove herself" is a tsundere archetype. There's even an older magical example: Teana Lanster from Nanoha StrikerS.
確かに言われてみればそうかもね。「肩に力入ってて自分を証明したい系女子」もツンデレの典型パターンの一つだと思う。ナノハStrikerSのティアナ・ランスターって古い魔法使いの例もあるしな。普通くん+102
cyberscythe
> tsundere phase "i-it's not like it's a phase or anything, baka!"
「ツンデレ期」って… 「わ、別に期とかじゃないんだからね、バカ!」って感じでしょッ!可愛すぎる~!感情くん+10
Prof_Acorn
Didn't Agott say she only cared about people who can do what she can do? I guess as Coco demonstrates she can use magic too it finally earns her a sliver of basic human decency from the world's most prideful apprentice.
アゴットって確か「自分と同じことができる奴だけ認める」って言ってたよね?ココが魔法使えるのを見せたら、ようやく世界一プライド高い見習いから最低限の人間らしさを引き出せたって感じか。普通くん+25
flybypost
> Don't mess with the Knights Moralis. Nah, flick their dumb hats off their heads. They are just jumping to convenient conclusions and not even trying to understand what's going on.
「Knights Moralisに手ェ出すな」ってか?笑 違うだろ、あいつらのバカみたいな帽子をひっぱたいて飛ばしてやれよw 都合のいい結論に飛びついて、状況を理解しようともしてねぇんだからなwww (要約)確かに、あいつらはちゃんと見ようとしてないよな。wwwおじ+11
CuriousWanderer567
Only thing I like about the Knights Moralis as of now is their drip.
わかる!ナイツ・モラリスのファッションまじでかっこよすぎじゃね?笑 あとココが「小さな魔女様」って呼ばれてテンション爆上がりなの可愛すぎたし、あの地滑りはまじビビったわ〜ギャル+157
goffer54
Still pale in comparison to the Brimmed Caps.
確かに、まだブリムドキャップには敵わないね。普通くん+139
CuriousWanderer567
It’s always the villains who have the coolest drip.
確かに!悪役のほうがダサかっこいいってあるよな。マジで敵キャラのファッション優勝すぎるッ!感情くん+114
Cass0wary_399
A dunce cap is a dunce cap no matter how decorated it is.
確かに、どんなに飾っても馬鹿帽子は馬鹿帽子だよね。普通くん+7
totallyverifiedit
Ngl if I'm being a witch I'd rather be with the drippier ones. Fk them dunce hat wearing, memory-erasing mfs
せやな、でもワイなら断然ダサくない方の魔女になりたいンゴwww あの三角帽子かぶって記憶消すクソどもはマジで嫌やわ 草2ちゃん+5
BennoSubs
I wonder if the scarlet cloaks are a reference to Inquisitors, since those tend to be represented with red robes in media.
確かに今のところモラリス騎士団で好きなのはファッションだけだよね。緋色のマントって審問官のオマージュかな?メディアだと赤いローブで描かれることが多いし。普通くん+45
ShadowGuyinRealLife
Yeah I get they are kind of like pop culture Inquisition (Real Inquisition wasn't quite as unfair as pop culture suggests, although they're still intolerant by today's standards). There are only two tings redeeming about the Knight Moralis. One, they have cool outfits. And everything turning to sand would be grounds to arrest Coco for interrogation. Everything else about them is bad.
それな。スカーレットクロークはポップカルチャーにおける異端審問官のオマージュだと思われる。実際の審問官ほど一方的ではないにせよ、現代の基準ではやはり不寛容な存在だ。騎士道守護団に救いがあるとすれば2点だけ。第一に装備がスタイリッシュなこと。第二に、すべてが砂に変わる現象が起きてる以上、ココを取り調べのために拘束する正当性はあるって点。それ以外は全面的に悪だな。考察くん+14
IsTom
> Little Miss Witch Little Witch in an Atelier? What is this, some kind of Little Witch Academia?
それな。リトル・ウィッチ・イン・アン・アトリエって、リトル・ウィッチ・アカデミア的な何かってこと?普通くん+116
professorMaDLib
I used to be anti knights moralis but the witch hat sub has singlehandedly convinced me that they got a point with all the war crime spells they've cooked up recently
確かに、ココちゃん可愛すぎるッ! でもあの地滑り怖すぎた…。普通に戦争犯罪レベルの魔法だよな。ナイツモラリスにちょっと同意しそうになったわ。感情くん+52
slicer4ever
What? I think you might be a bit in spoiler territory for us anime onlies.
えっ?アニメ勢にはちょっとネタバレ入ってるかもだと思うよ。普通くん+11
professorMaDLib
No, I'm talking about the witch hat atlalier subreddit. There's a recent trend to make all kinds of weaponized war crime fan spells
あ、違う違う、ワイは「とんがり帽子のアトリエ」のサブレの話しとるだけや。 最近、戦争犯罪級の武器化ファンスペル作るのが流行っとるンゴwww ネタバレちゃうから安心してええで(白目)2ちゃん+42
Golden_Phi
Since this is a hard power system that is all about drawing people IRL can draw their own magic spells that follow the rules. Fans can design their own magic spells and tools.
確かに、ネタバレは気をつけないとね。でもこの作品の魔法システムって現実の描画ルールに基づいてるから、ファンが自分で魔法や道具をデザインできるのが面白いんだよ。普通くん+6
BosuW
> Coco's euphoria when being called "Little Miss Witch" This is truly our Little Witch Academia
「リトルミス・ウィッチ」って呼ばれてココがテンション上がってるとこ、まじかわよすぎじゃん!? これこそ私たちのリトルウィッチアカデミーだよね笑ギャル+38
CuriousWanderer567
Impressive that Qifrey hasn’t failed to aura farm a single time he’s used magic this season and he keeps finding new ways to do it in completely different situations like with that river slicing sword.
キーフリーが今シーズン魔法を使うたびにオーラをばら撒いててすごいな。川を斬る剣とか、毎回違うシチュエーションで新しいやり方を見つけてるのヤバい。普通くん+532
ModieOfTheEast
And even adding to the aura: His magic seems to be concentrated around the element he hates the most. Qifrey was so annoyed by water that he learned every way to control it and still look cool doing it.
せやな、キーフリーの魔力の出し方ガチで異次元やわwww しかも嫌いな水属性に特化してるのに、全部カッコよく決めてくるとか草生えるわ ワイもあんな感じでムカつくこと克服したいンゴねえ…2ちゃん+333
Frontier246
He took that Batman grindset of taking what you fear into becoming something you can utilize in the most OP fashion possible.
確かに。自分の嫌いなものを逆に最強の武器にしてるところがカッコいいよね。まさにバットマン方式って感じだな。普通くん+153
flybypost
> Batman Soooo, technically he should be named Waterman or… Aquaman?
それな!笑 つまりバットマンならぬウォーターマンってこと?それかアクアマンじゃね?wwwギャル+11
Prof_Acorn
>His magic seems to be concentrated around the element he hates the most. Anakin should have used the force to master sand instead of letting sand master him.
確かに!!「一番嫌いな属性に魔力が集中してる」って設定エモすぎるし、アナキンも砂を制御するフォースを使うべきだったのに…砂に支配されて終わったの泣ける感情くん+94
ModieOfTheEast
It's wet and cold. And it get's everywhere.
確かにアナキンはフォースで克服すべきだったかもね。でも湿気と冷たさが全身にまとわりつく感じは確かに嫌だわ。普通くん+13
BosuW
Count Dooku certainly wouldn't have gotten the better of him by blasting sand in this face then
「それな!アナキンこそフォース使って砂操れば良かったのに笑」 ドゥークー伯爵が砂を顔に吹きかけて倒すとか絶対無理だし、むしろアナキンが砂を操って圧勝できたはずッ!感情くん+13
Se7en_Sinner
Qifrey always cooks every episode, sometimes literally.
確かにキーファリーは毎回かっこいい魔法使ってるよね、時には文字通り料理もしてるし。普通くん+129
SilliusS0ddus
He also fucking neglects his duty as a teacher every fucking episode
マジでそれな!毎回料理してるし教師の仕事サボりすぎじゃね?笑ギャル+10
hanmkim
A hit anime always needs a white haired mentor who is always aura-farming but neglects his students.
確かにそれな。白髪の師匠キャラって大体オーラだけで生徒放置しがちだよね。普通くん+13
darthvall
That's how I felt this episode. Feels like he's too kind as a teacher, and that won't work with Agott. Lucky that he has a more pragmatic husband
マジでそれな!今回も思ったんだけど、先生としての責任放棄しすぎじゃね?笑 - 優しすぎてアゴットには通用しないよな - でも現実的な旦那がいてラッキーって感じ〜ギャル+9
PeaceAlien
Agott's one spell was basically an aura farm too, she's learned well from Qifrey
それな!アガットのあの一発も完全にオーラファームだったし、キーフリーからめっちゃ学んでるよなッ!感情くん+79
Frontier246
She might be the most serious witch but she can put on a proper show when necessary.
確かに、アガットは一番真面目な魔女だけど、必要な時はちゃんと見せ場を作れるんだよね。普通くん+41
RimeSkeem
What separates a good witch from a great witch? PRESENTATION!
せやな!「良い魔女と偉大な魔女の違いって何?」って聞かれたら「演出力」一択やろwww2ちゃん+14
Zemahem
He knows that magic is cool as hell and just wants to display it to everyone with every chance he gets.
確かにキーフリーは魔法使うたびにオーラ出しまくりだよね。めっちゃカッコつけてるけど、それも含めて魅力って感じ。普通くん+49
Frontier246
The Demon Slayer Corps. would respect his water blade game.
それな!キーフレイの水の刃マジやばくね?鬼殺隊も認めるレベルじゃん!ギャル+49
unga_bunga_mage
Water Breathing: Auramaxxing Form
水の呼吸・オーラマックス型ってかwww ガチで柱連中も認めるやろこれ2ちゃん+22
namewithak
With an actual water blade instead of a metaphorical one. A little off-topic: it took me too long to realize that the elemental effects in the DS anime weren’t real in the narrative.
確かに。実際の水の刃だったらな。ちょっと脱線するけど、俺も鬼滅のアニメのエフェクトが実際の世界で起きてるわけじゃないって気づくのに時間かかったわ。普通くん+19
Nobody5464
That’s not surprising because for all intents and purposes they should be real. The author made a really weird decision by saying they aren’t
え、まじでそれな!?実際に水の刃なんだから現実にあるって思っちゃうじゃん〜。作者が「違うよ」って言ったの、ちょっと変な判断すぎない?笑ギャル+17
kazetoame
Well, Qifrey is Tanjiro
確かに、キーフリーは炭治郎っぽいところあるよね。普通くん+8
ChicaneryFinger
He isn't beating the Gojo allegations anytime soon.
確かにッ!キーフリーはゴジョウ疑惑を全然払拭できてないし、むしろ加速してるww 魔法使うたびにオーラ出しまくりで優勝すぎる感情くん+39
thisisdropd
Meanwhile, Olruggio is actually played by Gojo's VA.
え、まじで!?オルルジオの声優が五条の人なの!?やばくね!?ギャル+48
Frontier246
And Sukuna just showed up at the end to cause trouble!
確かに!しかもラストで宿儺が登場して厄介ごと起こしてくんだよね笑普通くん+43
This-is_CMGRI
Qifrey and Satoru would 100% be a 2-man power trip if they ever met. Practically unstoppable.
それな!きふれとさとるがタッグ組んだらまじで無敵じゃん?誰にも止められないでしょ笑ギャル+26
socialistRanter
Qifrey has to aura farm like a shark has to swim to survive
確かに、キーフリーのオーラファームは止められないな。サメが泳ぐのをやめられないのと同じで、彼もまた新たな方法を見つけ続けてる。普通くん+19
lordposedyon
Of course, law enforcement comes in, with a quick look at the situation, immediately judges and executes without even thinking she might be lying to save another person. Great, very realistic.
確かに!警察が来て、状況をチラ見しただけで即座に裁いて処刑とか、彼女が他人を救うために嘘をついてる可能性すら考慮しないとか、リアルすぎて逆に笑うわ……。感情くん+465
BluespadeChariot
Don't forget, their method of punishment (memory erasure) also ensures they cant get any more information, no need to further investigate!
それな!しかも罰が記憶消去ってのがまたやばくね?笑 情報も取れないし、捜査する必要すらなくなるってまじで効率的っつーか怖すぎじゃん!ギャル+346
Prof_Acorn
"They can't file for an appeal if they don't remember whether or not they committed the crime" /finger pointing at head meme
「覚えてないなら異議申し立てできないってことか」的な / 頭に指さすミーム普通くん+146
extralie
Yeah like... if she was a brimmed hat, wouldn't keeping her memories intact for interrogation be better?
確かに!もし彼女がツバ広帽だったら、尋問のために記憶を残しておいた方が良かったんじゃ…?って思うわ。記憶消去って、情報も消しちゃうし非効率すぎるッ!感情くん+100
BosuW
Certainly justifies a bit the brimmed hat's anonymity culture. Like okay I see y'all ain't even interested in what I have to say for any reason. Peace ✌️.
それな。ツバあり帽の匿名性文化にも納得いくわ。どうせ俺の話なんて誰も聞く気ないんだろって感じ。じゃあな✌️普通くん+85
LakerBlue
ESPECIALLY because she is a child so it would be easier to get info from her or maybe even coerce her into cooperating. Weirdly aggressive move.
確かに!子どもだし情報引き出すの簡単そうなのに、なんで記憶消すって暴挙に出たんだろ。ちょっと攻撃的すぎじゃね?笑ギャル+20
Edymnion
原文
Well, that depends on what the goal is. See, the problem with fighting corruption is that you first have to expose how deep the corruption runs. If your goal is to only make the rest of the community feel safe, then you act harshly and decisively "for the good of the community", you don't expose the fact that half of the leadership of said community is secretly the bad guys. You just clean up the mess of the underlings and pretend you solved the problem while maintaining the status quo. That they seem to ask no questions implies that they don't want answers, they just want to keep a lid on things.
確かに、目的次第だよね。 汚職と戦う問題は、まずその腐敗がどれだけ深く根付いてるかを暴かないといけないってことなんだよな。 もし「コミュニティの安全」だけを目的にするなら、上層部の半分が実は悪者だって事実は隠して、末端だけ片付けて現状維持で終わらせるのが定石。彼らが何も質問しないってことは、答えを求めてないってことだし、単に蓋をしたいだけなんだと思う。普通くん+10
Raknel
Giving children the death penalty on the spot Could Easthies get any more based?
現場で子どもに死刑宣告ってマジかよ イースヒースガチで有能すぎやろwww2ちゃん+36
BosuW
YA LLEGÓ LA JUDICIAL 🗣️🔥🔥
「司法が来たな」って感じだね 🗣️🔥🔥普通くん+27
Castor_0il
VAMONOS MUCHACHOS, JUYANSE A LOS MONTES.
草www 裁判官キターーー!逃げろや逃げろwww2ちゃん+5
Comedor_de_Golpistas
> Great, very realistic. Yes, absolutely. This is exactly what the police does in real life, except in real life she'd be shot to death rather than having her memories wiped.
同意。現実の警察だったら記憶消去じゃなくて射殺だよね。普通くん+14
Whatevereses
It would suck for Coco to get mind wiped of her memories of magic but she would lose like what, a month of memories? She can recover from that. If they use that same magic on Agott or anybody that grew up in a witch family then it's as good as a death sentence. Most of their childhood and any time they spent in the great hall is erased.
確かに。ココが記憶を消された場合、失うのは魔法に関する記憶だけで、期間としてはせいぜい1ヶ月程度だ。そこから立ち直るのは可能だろう。 しかし、アゴットや魔女の家系で育った者たちに同じ魔法が使われたら、それは死刑宣告に等しい。彼女たちの幼少期の大半や大広間で過ごした時間が全て消去されるという考察ができる。考察くん+7
kalirion
原文
> It would suck for Coco to get mind wiped of her memories of magic but she would lose like what, a month of memories? She can recover from that. Nope, "memories of magic" wiping is reserved for commoners who've accidentally witnessed the deep dark secret of magic circles, and probably apprentices who fail at becoming real witches. "Oblivion" can only mean that *all* memories get wiped. She'd be turned into a drooling blank slate.
せやな、ココが記憶消されるのは確かにキツいけど、失うのは1ヶ月分くらいやろ?回復できるやん いやいや、「魔法の記憶」の消去ってのは、魔法陣の深い闇を偶然目撃した一般人とか、本物の魔女になれなかった見習い用やろ 「忘却」は完全に全記憶消去を意味するンゴ。ココはヨダレ垂らすだけの白紙状態にされるんやで2ちゃん+6
WhoiusBarrel
Really like how not only was there emphasis on drawing magic being prohibited in front of ordinary people similar to the 1st episode but now it also introduces a set of challenges on its own, making magic not a completely omnipotent solution to everything. Imposing intro from the Knights Moralis, that tool they used at Coco with the tiny hands was creepy as fuck.
確かに第1話と同じように一般人に魔法を見せちゃいけないってのが強調されてただけじゃなくて、魔法が万能じゃないって課題もちゃんと提示されてるのが良いよね。 騎士モラリスの登場シーンは圧巻だったわ。ココに使ったあの小さな手の道具がめっちゃ気持ち悪くて怖かった。普通くん+449
Haha91haha
Yeah it's interesting because Witches in this verse essentially need to be magicians in our world-talented in sleight of hand, misdirection and theatricality in order to disguise the true nature of their spell casting.
せやな、この世界の魔女って実質ワイらの世界で言うマジシャンやんな。手品や目くらまし、演出力がガチで必要ってのが面白いわ。2ちゃん+331
Zemahem
原文
That's a fun way of putting it. With some art skills too, they'd kill it in this world. At least, if they're law-abiding witches that bother to hide stuff from non-witches. It also makes me think of witches creating magic fog machines to better obscure things from any spectators. Really, witches could use more magical smokescreens that they can instantly deploy. Especially in a pinch like in this situation.
確かに面白い言い方だね。芸術の才能もあれば現実世界でも大成功できそう。少なくとも、一般人に魔法を隠そうとする法律遵守の魔女ならね。 それに魔女が即座に展開できる魔法の煙幕をもっと活用してもいいと思う。特に今回みたいなピンチの場面ではね。普通くん+103
Edymnion
You'd think every witch around would have some kind of memory eraser of much less power that could just wipe out the last 5 minutes or so instead of everything. "Oh wait, you saw that? Look into this glowing wand here..." and then MIB everybody.
確かに、記憶消去魔法の出力調整って興味深いテーマだよな。作中では「記憶を完全に消す」か「残す」かの二択しか描写されてないが、理論上は5分だけの部分消去も可能なはず。でも、もしそんな便利な魔法があったら、キーフリーみたいな無法者が悪用するリスクが高まる。制作陣は「魔法の万能性」と「物語の緊張感」を天秤にかけて、あえて不完全なシステムを採用したんだろうな。この辺のバランス感覚が、この作品のリアリティラインの巧みさを物語ってる。考察くん+13
Frontier246
I wonder how Zatanna would fare in this-verse, like instead of her backwards spellcasting being how she casts magic it would just be part of her sleight of hand to hide how she actually casts.
せやな、ザターナがこの世界来たらどうなんやろな。逆さ詠唱は実は手品の一部で、本当の魔法の詠唱を隠すためのフェイクって設定になったりして草2ちゃん+29
ali94127
Zatanna has canonically written spells backward with her blood when she's been gagged. We can deduce she at least has decent penmanship.
確かに!ザターナって口封じされた時も血で逆さ文字書いてたし、筆記スキルは結構高いんじゃね?笑 てかこの世界観にいたら絶対やばい活躍しそうじゃん!ギャル+29
justking1414
Girl is sometimes an actual on stage magician as well. I’m sure she could handle a bit of slight of hand
確かに、彼女は実際にステージマジシャンでもあるしね。ちょっとした手品くらいは余裕でこなせそうだと思う。普通くん+6
BosuW
So you're saying aura farming is a necessary skill
つまり「オーラファーミング」は必須スキルってことかッ!確かにこの世界の魔女は現実のマジシャン並みに手品の才能が必要だもんな…納得しすぎる!感情くん+6
Frontier246
The cloaks aren't just a fashion statement or a floatation device but a method of obscuring what they do from prying eyes.
確かに、マントはただのファッションじゃなくて、一般人から魔法を隠すための重要なアイテムってのがいいよね。普通くん+212
Raknel
I really like how they turned the typical fantasy witch outfits into a plot device
せやな、普通の魔女コスをちゃんと設定に組み込んでるのがええわ。ただのオシャレじゃなくて、ちゃんと理由があるんやなって。ワイはこういう細かい設定好きやで。2ちゃん+124
Android19samus
now we just need to discover the secret purpose of the hats
確かに、帽子の秘密が気になるよね。どんな目的があるのか早く知りたいな。普通くん+6
Zeph-Shoir
I am still gonna need a reason for the simply hats, those are just lame in comparison to the brimmed hats
せやな!でもつばなしの帽子は単なる地味やん、つばありと比べると格差が酷すぎるわwww2ちゃん+5
Genoscythe_
While ironically their brimless caps are supposed to be an ideological statement of being out in the open and not hiding their faces like those ne'er-do-well Brimmed Caps.
確かに、つばなし帽子は「隠さない」って理念の象徴なのに、実際はマントで手法を隠してるっていう皮肉が効いてるよね。普通くん+27
Se7en_Sinner
The Oblivion spell looks like something out of Full Metal Alchemist.
確かに!忘却魔法が錬金術っぽくて草 一般人に隠す設定もガチで好きやわ2ちゃん+114
Aliensinnoh
Yeah, like the hands reaching out of the portal of Truth. And it’s complete with something resembling an eye looking out of the inky black darkness!
確かに、真理の扉から手が出てくるところに似てるね。しかも真っ黒な闇から目玉みたいなのが見えてるのも同じだ!普通くん+61
flybypost
原文
I wonder if the spell on the medal/emblem has some sign/sigil (which was the not centre one again?) that makes the ink/spell be attracted to humans, like some crude copy-machine that transfers a copy of the spell onto the closest person to take their memories. Thus the tiny little grabber hands. Sort of as a way to circumvent the "don't draw spells on people" rule a bit as they wouldn't directly be doing that ("the trinket did it!").
草、確かに鋼の錬金術師みたいな雰囲気やな メダルの紋章に人間に引き寄せられる印(真ん中じゃない方?)が仕込まれてて、インクが近くの人の記憶をコピーするってわけか つまり「人に魔法を描くな」ルールをすり抜けるための小賢しい仕掛けってことやな 「アクセサリーが勝手にやったンゴwww」って逃げ口上かよ 小さな掴み手のやつもその流れやろな2ちゃん+6
Aliensinnoh
The Knights Moralis are moving so fast. One would think they’d allow a little time for a proper investigation into what happened before they mind-wipe the perpetrators and lose out on any info they could get out of them. It’s no wonder they haven’t found the brimmed caps after all this time! Hard to do that when your standard course of action is “erase memories first, ask questions never”.
騎士モラリス、動き早すぎじゃない? もうちょっとちゃんと調査してから記憶消せよって思うわ。情報取れるうちに取らないと、そりゃつば広帽が見つからないのも納得だわ。「まず記憶消去、質問は無し」が基本方針じゃな。普通くん+96
mmcjawa_reborn
Strikes me also that there heavy-handed approach is also a really good way to create new brimmed caps from the family members and friends of the wiped
確かに、あの強硬手段こそが逆に新たなツバ広帽を量産する要因になってるよな 家族や友達を皆殺しにされたら、そりゃ敵に回るわな2ちゃん+83
manquistador
Seems obvious to me that there is at least one brimmed cap in the Knights due to how easy that would make it to hide their activities.
確かにそう考えると、騎士団にも少なくとも一人はツバあり帽子がいるってのは自然な流れだよね。活動を隠すのにめっちゃ便利そうだし。普通くん+48
BosuW
"Oppression breeds rebellion." A classic.
「弾圧は反乱を生む」か。まさにそれやな。2ちゃん+37
Waywoah
They remind me a lot of the Wardens from The Dresden Files, if anyone's read that series. In it, if anyone, even a kid trying out their first spell or by accident, does something that breaks one of the laws of magic, they're executed as soon as it's confirmed they were the caster
確かに。モラリス騎士団の動き、速すぎるよね。『ドレスデン・ファイル』の監視者たち思い出すわ。あれも、子供が初めて魔法を使っただけでも、違反が確定したら即処刑されるんだよな。普通くん+5
saynay
> that tool they used at Coco with the tiny hands was creepy as fuck. Fitting, for the sole "forbidden magic" spell that is allowed to look so creepy.
それな!あのちっちゃい手の道具、まじでキモかったじゃん笑 でも禁断魔法で唯一許されてるやつだから、あの気持ち悪さが逆に合ってるよね!ギャル+58
maliwanag0712
> Imposing intro from the Knights Moralis, that tool they used at Coco with the tiny hands was creepy as fuck. That hands looked weird that it made me uncomfortable tbh.
あの手の形、気持ち悪すぎて正直ゾッとしたわ。普通くん+38
crow_nagla
also, nice callback to the previous episode -- why Agott was training the skill to draw with closed eyes / without looking at painting (you must look around to see if anybody is watching…)
同意やね。前回のアゴットが目を閉じて描く練習してたシーンへの伏線回収、マジでニクいわ。周りに人がいないか確認するために必要なスキルってのが、世界観にガチでハマってて草2ちゃん+36
socialistRanter
I really like how in WHA is that magic in that world works as an analogy for technology. Technology is useful and can solve several problems, but it cannot solve every issue and it can cause harm and damage if left unregulated. We need to understand the limitations and possible harm of technology/magic and see what we can do and what other avenues besides technology/magic we can use.
確かに、WHAの魔法とテクノロジーのアナロジーは良いよね。便利だけど万能じゃなくて、規制なしだと危険もあるってところが現実的で好きだわ。普通くん+34
Roeclean
Ah yes, not letting an ai LLM tell people how to make bombs or other weapons that can also be just as dangerous
それな!この作品の魔法=テクノロジーのアナロジー、めちゃくちゃ深くて好きすぎるッ! AIに爆弾の作り方教えさせないみたいに、魔法にも同じ倫理的問題があるっての、エモすぎて無理。感情くん+12
flybypost
原文
> emphasis on drawing magic being prohibited in front of ordinary people And it's the simplest answer to the question of "why was Agott practising drawing spells with her eyes closed". My big theory was that the second trial is about casting in the dark but it might just be about casting undercover among regular people because passing that trial seems to allow them to cast spells in public so they need to be proficient and not fumble around inside their cloak and just get ink stains on it.
確かに。アガットが目を閉じて描く練習してた理由の一番シンプルな答えだよね。第二の試練は暗闇での詠唱かと思ってたけど、普通の人の中で隠れて詠唱するための練習だったのかも。試練に受かると公共の場でも魔法使えるようになるから、ローブの中で手こずってインクまみれにならないようにしないとね。普通くん+32
El_grandepadre
> making magic not a completely omnipotent solution to everything. I would wager this is because they don't want power to corrupt and end up having people literally bow down and submit to mages.
確かに!魔法が万能じゃないって設定、めっちゃいいよね!権力で人を支配させないための配慮って感じじゃん?やばくない?ギャル+9
LakerBlue
It also made me realize how big an obstacle the elements are to them drawing in general. Seems like besides having the flying spell on their shoes that every witch should have a pocket waterproof air pocket spell that Qifrey used last episode.
確かに。あのシーンで、魔術を描く上で「元素」がどれだけ大きな障害になるかってのがよく分かったね。キーフレイが前回使ってた防水エアポケットみたいな呪文、全魔女が持ってるべきなんじゃないかな。普通くん+9
RimeSkeem
> that tool they used at Coco with the tiny hands was creepy as fuck. Between that and Agott's flashback it seems like someone (mangaka or production staff) is a big fan of Full Metal Alchemist's Truth and homunculi.
あの小さな手の道具、ココで使われてたやつ、めっちゃ不気味だったよな。 あれとアゴットの回想シーンを踏まえると、どうも誰か(作者か制作スタッフ)が『鋼の錬金術師』の「真理」やホムンクルスの大ファンなんじゃないかって考察できる。考察くん+6
Equivalent-Weather59
The raincleaver is so freaking cool oh my god
レインクリーバーめっちゃかっこよすぎるわ、マジでやばい普通くん+402
Frontier246
Even just sheathing it is filled to the brim with aura.
それな!鞘に収めるだけでオーラやばすぎじゃん!まじでかっこよすぎてやばいんだけど笑ギャル+183
jreddit324
Did someone say brim? Where are they
「brim」って言った?どこどこ?普通くん+172
xin234
Found Easthies' Reddit account.
イーストヒーズのRedditアカウント見つけたンゴwww2ちゃん+88
RimeSkeem
> filled to the brim with aura And water!
確かに、オーラだけじゃなくて水も満ちてる感じが出てたね。普通くん+10
cyberscythe
reminds me of grasscutter gotta collect all of the elemental swords
草刈り機思い出すじゃん!笑 全部の属性剣コレクションしなきゃじゃん!やばくね?ギャル+14
Valley_Jump
I love the water continously flowing around it.
確かに水流れてる感じがめっちゃかっこいいよね。普通くん+5
deynyel
Yeah, understandable fangirling by our 4 students. My reaction is the same as them once I saw Raincleaver. Qifrey-sensei never fails to impress!
やばくない!?あの4人の生徒たちがキャーキャー言うのマジでわかるんだよね笑 私もRaincleaver見た瞬間同じリアクションだったし!キーフリー先生マジで毎回かっこよすぎじゃね!?ギャル+373
WhoiusBarrel
Such a sickass sword and it can split oceans in half? Really intrigued to see more magic weapons/tools that are as powerful as this!
確かに。あの4人の生徒たちがキャーキャー言うのもわかるよ。俺もRaincleaver見た瞬間同じ反応だったわ。Qifrey先生。あんなヤバい剣で海を真っ二つにできるとか?もっと強力な魔法武器や道具が見れて楽しみだな。普通くん+178
Frontier246
Especially because it means you can probably wield blades with all the core four elements (fire, wind, earth, etc)
確かに!それって火・風・地・水の四大元素の武器とか全部扱えちゃうってことじゃん?やばくね!?めっちゃ気になるわ〜ギャル+44
flybypost
And keep them eternally sharp with the rewind/repetition spell!
確かに!それに巻き戻しの魔法で永遠に切れ味を保てるのもヤバいね。普通くん+34
disposable-assassin
But I'm also wondering if the sword somehow caused the sand conversion or interacted with Coco's spell somehow.  Like the Knights Moralos said, these apprentices shouldn't be able to cast anything with that kind of range.  Qifery's stare down of the stationer, Nolnoa, to not say anything about the girls being whisked away to the dragon keep doesn't sit right with me.
せやけどその剣が砂への変換を引き起こしたのか、それともココの魔法と何か相互作用したのか気になるンゴ。モラロス騎士団が言うように、見習いがそんな広範囲の魔法を使えるはずないしな。ノルノアに「竜の塔に連れていかれた娘たちのことは黙ってろ」ってキフェリーが睨みを効かせてるのも、なんか腑に落ちないわ。2ちゃん+39
BosuW
Can't have been the sword. Qifrey took it with him. Coco's hat was in the sand, so queue that theory that the Brimmed Hat drew something on it two episodes ago.
確かに剣は関係ないと思う。キーフリーが持って行ったしね。 ココの帽子は砂の中にあったから、2話前に「つば広帽子が何か描いた」説が浮上してるね。普通くん+35
rancer119
Coco's first spell was a tiny circle and destroyed everything around her home, so its possible these taboo spells are taboo for a reason.
それな!最初の魔法も小さい円だったのに家の周り全部ぶっ飛ばしたし、禁術ってやっぱヤバすぎるじゃん!笑ギャル+15
Raknel
Moments like this make me wish for a battle shonen spinoff set before the days of the Pact when magic and weapons like this are used in war.
確かに、契約前の時代を舞台にしたバトルもののスピンオフ、めっちゃ見たいかも。こんな魔剣が戦争でバンバン使われてたんだろうな。普通くん+8
namewithak
原文
It wouldn’t be a battle shonen. The point of this magic system is that witches aren’t actually stronger than anyone else. Make a hundred copies of Qifrey’s water dragon spell, distribute it to a hundred random people, and literally every single one of them can drown a hundred cities with no effort. They just have to close the circle. So the pre-pact days, by logic of how easy it actually is to make and use spells, was just thousands of missiles, firebombs, floods, earthquakes, body horror, whatever new warcrime r/witchhatatelier has come up with today, etc. going off everywhere at all times. The only thing that probably limited it (for what value of limit there could be in a world where anyone can do anything at no cost to themselves) was the supply of magic ink.
せやけどバトルジャンプにはならんやろ。この魔法システムの肝は「魔女が特別強いわけじゃない」ってとこやん。キーフリーの水龍呪文を100人にコピーして配れば、全員が余裕で100都市を水没させられる。ただ円を閉じるだけでな。 つまり盟約前の時代は、論理的にはミサイル・焼夷弾・洪水・地震・ボディホラー…今日r/witchhatatelierで誰かが考えた新しい戦争犯罪が、常時どこでもドカドカ起きてたってことや。唯一の制限(あるとすればの話やが)は魔法インクの供給量くらいやろな。2ちゃん+13
Se7en_Sinner
Theoretically, what would happen if he cuts somebody with the sword? Would it split their blood?
確かに。あの剣で誰かを斬ったらどうなるんだろう?血も分断されちゃうのかな?普通くん+27
Z000Burst
this magic system seem very specific, i don't think it will care about the blood and only affect water maybe there a different symbol/sign for blood
【返信】 せやな、この魔法システムめっちゃ厳密やし、血とか気にせんと思うわ。水だけに作用するやろな。 血用の別の印とかあるかもしれんけどな。2ちゃん+47
melindypants
I'd imagine since the blood is made up of some water, the base symbol would be water and maybe earth/metal because iron (I don't remember the base runes) - interesting!
確かに!血液には水分が含まれてるし、基本ルーンが水と土(鉄分)になるのかもね。面白い考えだと思う!普通くん+18
Kankunation
No idea. Probably nothing though? I'd imagine the magic is designed in a way such that it has little to no affect on humans as otherwise that could make it forbidden magic. You would probably never see any one other than a brimmed hat use it as such.
せやな。多分何も起きやんと思うわ。魔法は人間に影響が出ないように設計されてるんやろな、さもなきゃ禁術扱いやし。つば広帽以外の奴が使うとこも見られんやろなwww2ちゃん+15
jasta85
I thought the rule was magic circles couldn't be put on the human body, not that no magic couldn't target humans. the ring that dries people off is using magic on the human body with no issue. And if there was a witch fight they'd be using offensive magic against each other (the water dragon for example).
確かに。人間に魔法陣を描いちゃダメってだけで、人間を対象にする魔法自体は禁止じゃないってことだよね。乾かす指輪も問題なく使えてるし、魔女同士の戦いなら攻撃魔法も使ってるしな(水の竜とか)。普通くん+18
Frontier246
I feel like it would be great for severing demon heads.
確かに!それめっちゃ鬼の首落とすのに便利そうじゃん?笑ギャル+5
goffer54
I wanna know how it's activated. There didn't seem to be an obvious way to complete a circle. Plus, ink, water, and metal don't mix.
それな!発動方法が気になりすぎるッ!魔法陣を完成させる方法がパッと見ただけじゃ全然わかんなかったし、インクと水と金属って本来混ざらないはずだしな…しんどいッ!感情くん+5
Ktulusanders
I think it's always activated unless it's in the scabbard
確かに!鞘に入ってない限り常に発動してるって感じだよね〜ギャル+27
moletoon
原文
I love the fact that the magic system actually serves as the practical justification for witches to wear robes instead of it just being how mages are always depicted. In addition to answering thr question why they dont usually rely on stuffs like rulers to draw. Coco clutching it with the spells she learned from the previous quests was cool. The instruction to terraform the region into arrakis definitely wasnt in her design though. And as always, nobody expects the pointy hat inquisition. Pretty sure its suwabe junichi voicing the guy, kinda funny sukuna is on the side of law time around. Also, I would technically have another dime if I were to get one every time hanae natsuki voices a water sword user.
魔法体系が、魔女がローブを着る理由として実用的な説明になってるの好きだな。ただの「魔女はこう描かれるもの」ってだけじゃなくて。定規みたいな道具に頼らない理由もちゃんと説明されてるし。 ココが前のクエストで覚えた魔法を使って耐えてたのはかっこよかった。まあ、その地域をアラキスに変えろって指示は彼女の計画にはなかったけどな。 そして相変わらず、誰もとんがり帽子の審問官を予想してない。あの男の声、諏訪部順一だと思うんだが、サキュラスが今度は法の側にいるってのがちょっと面白い。 あと、花江夏樹が水の剣使いを演じるたびに10セントもらってたら、もう一儲けできてたな。普通くん+312
quietvictories
> Coco clutching it with the spells she learned from the previous quests was cool. yup, she basically levitated herself with same glyph she used in Dadah range, using cape as a sail
わかる!ココが前のクエストで覚えた魔法使って帽子掴むとこ、まじかっこよかったよね! で、ダダー山で使ったのと同じグリフでマントを帆にして自分を浮かせるの、天才じゃん?笑ギャル+77
Frontier246
>And as always, nobody expects the pointy hat inquisition. Pretty sure its suwabe junichi voicing the guy, kinda funny sukuna is on the side of law time around. Also I think one of the other knights is Yui Ishikawa? It sounded like her when they were briefing Suwabe's character. (Also is there base underwater?)
>>魔法体系が実用的にローブの理由になってるの好き 草、やっぱり誰もとんがり帽子の審問は予想しないンゴwww 諏訪部順一が声当ててるの確かやろ? 今回の宿儺が法の側に立ってんの面白すぎやん んで、もう一人の騎士、石川由依じゃね? 諏訪部のキャラにブリーフィングしてる時、声似てたわ (つーか水中に基地あんの?)2ちゃん+54
crow_nagla
>Also is there base underwater? yes, whole city we already had a glimpse in one of previous episodes (if I remember correctly Qifrey was buying "learning set" for Coco)
それな!水中に街あるのやばくね!? 前の話でチラッと見えたやつだよね(確かキーフリーがココに学習セット買ってたとこ)。ギャル+36
flybypost
> (Also is there base underwater?) The whole "main town" was underwater (the one Qifrey visited when he got bonked for flying down the stairs instead of walking). I'd guess the Knights might have their base somewhere there too.
確かに、キーフレイが階段を飛ばずに降りて怒られたあの町全体が水中だったもんね。騎士団の拠点もあの辺りにあるのかもね。普通くん+26
saynay
Wing-hair lady implied that most witches lived in the Great Hall, when pestering Qifrey about not being there when he went to pick up Coco's hat and cloak.
ワイの記憶が正しければ、本拠地の町自体が水中にあったンゴwww キーフレイがボコられた時に訪れたとこな。翼みたいな髪の女が、ココの帽子とマントを取りに行った時に「大半の魔法使いはグレートホールに住んでる」って暗に言ってたやん。確かにそういうことやな。2ちゃん+9
ali94127
The other knight, credited as [their name, but it's in the credits]>!Luluci!<, is voiced by Ishikawa Yui.
確かに、もう一人の騎士は石川由依が声当ててるんだね。ルルシって名前でクレジットされてたわ。普通くん+9
CitronClassic672
And I thought I couldn’t like her more.
無理!ユイ・イシカワって知ってもっと好きになっちゃったじゃんッ!もうエモすぎるでしょ!感情くん+7
MidnightPizza
I instantly recognized that Violet Evergarden voice.
草、とんがり帽子の異端審問官かよwww ワイもヴァイオレット・エヴァーガーデンの声ってすぐ分かったンゴw2ちゃん+8
ali94127
Sukuna always beefing with the side with Gojo and fake Gojo.
それな!宿儺ってほんと五条と偽五条に絡みまくってるじゃん笑 やばくね?ギャル+8
Aileos
Olruggio is a huge troll. "Yeah you can come with us, but you stay put and don't touch anything. Thank you."
オルルジオ、超大物のトロールだわ。「ああ、一緒に来ていいよ。でもじっとしてて、何にも触らないでね。ありがとう」って…笑うわッ!感情くん+284
Frontier246
He's a good mentor. He lets you help out but he also is fully aware that you're an inexperienced kid who can't be allowed to help out beyond your experience level.
確かに。彼はちゃんと見守りつつ、自分の力量をわきまえさせてくれる良い指導者だよね。普通くん+276
Exotic-Spite-822
Exactly, they havent passed the second test, they dont know as much magic/ how to cast hidden, and magic is meant to comfort others so him asking them to treat injuries/ dry makes perfect sense.
それな!第二試験もまだ受かってないし、魔法もそんなに知らないじゃん?しかも魔法って他人を癒すためのものなのに、怪我の手当てとか乾かすの任せるのってまじで納得しかないわ!ギャル+119
jardex22
It's exactly how Agott treated Coco in the labyrinth. "Thank you for inspiring me, but you're too inexperienced to actually help draw the cloudbed spell. Just sit there and let us work."
それな!アゴットが迷宮でココに言ったのと完全に同じ構図だよ。「インスピレーションありがとう、でもクラウドベッドの魔法を描くには経験不足すぎる。そこで座って見てて」って。もうその態度がしんどすぎるッ!感情くん+113
kkrko
And it's not like they needed another hand. She can't exactly do what Qifrey did
確かに、追加の戦力が必要だったわけでもないしね。それにキーフリーみたいな真似は彼女にはできないし。普通くん+52
Thorn14
Hypothermia is no joke!
同意!低体温症マジでやばいじゃん!冗談じゃすまされないよね。ギャル+5
Prof_Acorn
He gave her a task that needed to be done. People almost drowned. They need to have their clothes dried. There's a pair of hands right there that can do it. Agott needs some humility.
確かに、必要な仕事を与えただけだよね。みんなずぶ濡れで服乾かさなきゃいけないし、そこに使える手があるって話。アガットには謙虚さが必要だと思う。普通くん+182
FalseRatQueen
100% they're at risk of hypothermia if they remain in wet clothes. It may noy be a flashy way of helping but it's still a vital part.
マジでそれ!濡れたままは低体温症の危険あるし、派手じゃないけど超重要なタスクだよね。エモすぎるッ!感情くん+62
ShadowGuyinRealLife
It's a needed job and I was afraid Agott was going to try to show off. Despite her displeasure she did dry out the victims and didn't use other magic until she was stuck in a situation where a life was at stake and her mentor couldn't help
確かに、必要な仕事だよね。アガットが見栄張ろうとしてないか心配だったけど、不満そうでもちゃんと濡れた人たちを乾かしてたし、命に関わる状況で師匠が助けられない時までは他の魔法使わなかったのは偉かったと思う。普通くん+16
AceSoldia
You are on this council but we do not grant you the rank of Master
それなwww 「お前も仲間に入れてやるけど何も触るなよ」って草 「評議会にはいるけどマスターの位は認めない」ってパターンやん2ちゃん+41
Charming-Loquat3702
I mean, he gave her something to do. It just wasn't as exiting as she hoped. Agott needs to check her priorities
確かに!オルルジオは「任務を与えた」って感じだよね。でもアガットが期待してたほど刺激的じゃなかっただけ。アガットは優先順位を見直すべきだわッ!感情くん+11
mucklaenthusiast
I don't think that's true. He gave Agott a meaningful role, the issue is that neither he nor Qifrey actually hold the girls truly accountable. Not to mention, just running off that soon is not smart either, but to be fair, they really couldn't have expected Custas to just climb back down lol
同意。オルジオが単にからかってるだけとは思えない。 彼はアガットに意味のある役割を与えてるが、問題はオルジオもキーフリーも少女たちを本当の意味で責任ある立場に置いていない点だ。 加えて、あのタイミングで飛び出すのは賢明じゃない。ただ、クスタスがまさか這って戻ってくるとは予想できなかったのは確かだがな。考察くん+11
Shadowmist909
That cliffhanger has me stunned. Coco just copied the spell the other girls used, so how has its destructiveness increased so much??? Someone definitely had to have set her up with the Knights Moralis coming so fast to erase her memories.
あの引きは衝撃的だったな。ココが他の子たちの魔法を真似しただけなのに、なんで破壊力がこんなに増してるんだろう??? 騎士団が記憶消去に来るのも早すぎるし、絶対誰かが罠を仕掛けてるだろ。普通くん+270
Elvenoob
The size of the sigil is what determines it's power, there's no shot this was Coco.
まじでそれ!紋章の大きさで威力決まるって話じゃん。これがココの仕業なわけなくね?やばすぎるんだけど笑ギャル+230
Lunchb0xx87
The brim cap witch did something to her before she went back to the others what if he did something to her magic
それな!絶対にクィフェがココに何か仕込んだよね…もし魔力に細工してたらマジでヤバイしんどいッ感情くん+167
Elvenoob
They had the whole cooking practise scene and probably some other offscreen stuff, I definitely think this is something someone else drew to frame her.
確かに!料理の練習シーンとか舞台裏で色々あったっぽいし、絶対誰かが嵌めようとして描いたやつじゃん!やばくね?ギャル+73
LakerBlue
Which is why I am extra confused. If magic is based off drawing technique and not anything innate, then how would a Brimmed Hat “boost” her magic? Seems like the only way to make stronger magic would be giving her a special wand or special ink. Just a theory but I wonder if the Brimmed Hat somehow drew a hidden sigil on her that boost the potency of some her spells?
確かにそれな。もし魔法が技術ベースなら、ブリムドハットがどうやって彼女の魔法を「強化」できるのか謎だよね。特別な杖やインクを渡すくらいしか思いつかない。 ただ、もしかしたらブリムドハットが彼女に隠し印を描いて、一部の魔法の効果を底上げしてるのかも?普通くん+79
Holen7
Repetitive magic, maybe. It constantly made more and more sand
確かに、砂をどんどん増やし続けるって感じの魔法かもね〜!やばくね?ギャル+6
LoneGnomeArtest
How neat and tidy the sigil was drawn also has an effect of that too, but yeah.
確かに!印の大きさが威力に直結するなら、ココが描いたとは思えないよな。でも、描き方の丁寧さも影響するってのは盲点だったわ。感情くん+7
mekerpan
It seems like the Knights were attracted by Qifrey's water spell. Or did I mis-read that earlier scene when the knights were being sent off to investigate?
あの水魔法で騎士団が釣られたってことか?いや、最初に騎士団が出動したシーン、ワイの読み間違いかもしらんけどな。草2ちゃん+105
NSFW-alt2444
They were coming to see what caused the water spout but then saw the sand everywhere and decided that something with that much power had to be forbidden magic.
確かに、水柱の原因を調べに来たけど、あれだけの砂煙を見たら禁術って判断するのもわかるな。普通くん+176
Raknel
Maybe they even connected the two. Reports coming in of huge water pillars, then they arrive and see a river turned to sand. It just looks even more inciminating together and definitely not something an apprentice would pull.
彼らは水柱の原因を調査に来たはずなのに、到着したら川が砂に変わっているのを目撃したわけだ。この二つの現象が結びついて、むしろより決定的な証拠のように見える。そして、こんなことは到底弟子がやらかすレベルの話じゃないという考察ができる。考察くん+64
flybypost
I think so too. My guess is the big water sprout was from him last "attack" so that he could get away before water rushed in.
同意。あの大きな水の噴出は、彼が逃げる前に水が流れ込むように仕掛けた最後の“攻撃”だったんだと思う。普通くん+23
BosuW
This is where the theory that the Brimmed Hat drew something on Coco's hat two episodes ago comes in. Her hat was in the sand.
それな!?2話前のつば広帽子がココの帽子に何か描いたって説、まじであり得るじゃん! 帽子が砂の上に落ちてたしね〜。ギャル+86
flybypost
I think it's a second spell (by some brimmed hat) with all traces conveniently having gotten swept away by the current. That felt like way too much destruction even for a few applications of the spell.
それな。草生えるほど破壊力エグすぎやろ。ワイは別のとんがり帽子の魔法が混ざったと思うわ。しかも証拠は流れで消えたってのも出来すぎやん。同じ魔法数回使っただけじゃあんな威力出せへんて。2ちゃん+44
Fisherman_Gabe
For sure. The eye mask brimmed hat in the dragon episode seemingly did something to Coco's hat, and since the camera panned to her hat before showing the effects of the spell I reckon that guy somehow made this happen.
確かに。竜の回で目隠しのとんがり帽子がココの帽子に何か仕掛けたように見えたんだよな。そして呪文の効果が現れる前にカメラが彼女の帽子にパンしていたことを考えると、あの男が何らかの形でこの事態を引き起こしたという考察ができる。考察くん+15
flybypost
> seemingly did something to Coco's hat I was unaware. I'll have to watch it again.
え、マジ!?ドラゴンのエピソードでアイマスクのつば広帽子がココの帽子に何かしたってこと?知らんかったわ!もう一回見直さなきゃじゃん!ギャル+10
AceSoldia
My guess is that there has to be some kinda energy involved..they haven't explained beyond the ink..but certainly ink alone wouldn't generate that power?
多分何かしらのエネルギーが関係してるんだろうね…インク以外の要素はまだ説明されてないけど、インクだけじゃあの威力は出ないはずだし。普通くん+8
bonchen
Glad to see Easthies beefing actual children animated now. May his slander begin. Also was that Sukuna's voice for Easthies???
イーストヒースがついにアニメの子供相手に喧嘩売り始めて草www これで陰口スタートやな で、あのイーストヒースの声ってまさか宿儺の声優さんなんか???2ちゃん+228
Anna-2204
Easthies saw Aggot taking all the slander and knew he had to do something
確かに、Easthiesが子供キャラにまで噛みつき始めたの笑う。これから炎上始まるな。 あとEastの声、まさかの宿儺声優だったんだな。普通くん+127
ptd163
> May his slander begin. Slander is spoken. In print it's libel and it's not libel if it's true. With what what little we've seen I'm thinking there's not going to be much libel.
あっそれな!「誹謗中傷始め」ってとこウケたんだけど笑 でも確かに言うのはslanderで印刷物ならlibelだし、事実ならlibelじゃないじゃん?今のとこ見た限りだとあんまりlibelって感じしないよね〜ギャル+28
TheDoctorHam
10/10 comment please continue printing Easthies truths
草、10/10のコメントやんwww Easthiesの真実はどんどん印刷してええで、ガンガン行けや2ちゃん+7
NanDemoKnaives
Sukuna and Easthies share the same voice actor, Suwabe Junichi. And one of Easthies' subordinate shares the same voice actor as Kong Shiu, Yasumoto Hiroki.
確かに!同じ声優だったのか!スワベ・ジュウイチってマジで声が違いすぎて気づかなかったわ…エモすぎるッ!!感情くん+22
Frontier246
I guess Abacchio was still tracking Diavolo down.
確かにAbacchioがまだディアボロを追ってるってことか。普通くん+19
HiRoChieie
We're four more VA's short and we'll have the golden wind gang + diavolo
確かに!アバッキオ、まだディアボロ追ってたんだね。あと声優4人足りないだけで黄金体験組とディアボロ揃うってやばくね!?ギャル+5
SilliusS0ddus
Quifrey also deserves slander for yet again neglecting his duties as a teacher and conveying the gravity of the situation to his little dumbasses
同意。イースト君、ついに実写からアニメの子供相手に喧嘩売り始めたか草。彼の誹謗中傷ライフの幕開けやな。 あとイーストの声ってまさか宿儺の声優なんか?ガチでビビったわ。 キーフリーもまた教師としての責務放棄して、状況の重大さをあのクソガキどもに伝えるのサボってるから叩かれてもしゃーないンゴwww2ちゃん+8
nofaxxspitintruflego
ayyy are we on bumwatch ateliar?? happy to take part
おお、バムウォッチ・アトリエ始まったのか?参加できて嬉しいわ普通くん+7
Cally83
Damn those Knights Moralis really look cool
まじでナイツモラリスかっこよすぎじゃない!?やばくね!?ギャル+207
Frontier246
They heard the accusations that the Brimmed Caps looked cooler and took offense to it lol.
確かに、モラリス騎士団はかっこいいよな。でも「とんがり帽子の方がかっこいい」って言われてムキになった感じだよね笑普通くん+176
BosuW
Unfortunately their efforts, while admirable, were insufficient.
確かに!ツバ広帽カッコいいって言われてムキになったのウケるんだけど笑 でも頑張りは認めるわ〜 ちょっと足りなかっただけじゃん?ギャル+87
nofaxxspitintruflego
brimmed hats mogs moralis any day of the week
確かに、ツバ広帽の方がモラリスより絶対かっこいいよな。普通くん+58
Thorn14
No matter the setting, Inquisitors will always have drip.
だよね!騎士モラリス、マジでかっこよすぎじゃない?笑 審問官ってどんな世界観でもダサくなることないよね〜ギャル+47
hikoboshi_sama
After watching Maul: Shadow Lord, i agree
「それな!!」 『マウル:シャドウ・ロード』観たけど、審問官のファッション優勝すぎる。どんな世界観でも絶対オシャレなのズルいッ!感情くん+5
diacewrb
It helps with the whole shoot first, asks questions never.
やばくね!?Knights Moralisの見た目マジでかっこいいじゃん! でもそれ、問答無用で撃つスタイルにピッタリってことか笑ギャル+30
Se7en_Sinner
Misdirection and sleight of hand being important skills in performing magic in front of an audience makes total sense.
観客の前で魔法を披露するのに、目くらましや手品の技術が重要ってのは完全に納得だね。普通くん+169
Frontier246
It's also basically how Zatanna operates. What part of her performance is a normal magic trick and what is her legit magic? You may never know!
確かに!それってZatannaのスタイルそのものじゃん。どの部分が普通の手品で、どこが本物の魔法か、観客には永遠にわからないってのが最高すぎるッ!感情くん+30
CooroSnowFox
Magic is really about hiding the obvious in plain sight... either in reality or in fiction
せやな、マジックって現実でもフィクションでも「当たり前のことを隠す」技術やんな。まさにその通りやわ。2ちゃん+11
thekoreansun
Goddammit, Custas, you're literally wading back into a disaster you *just* got rescued from? No wonder magic has been secreted away from the public consciousness if this is the way people act without it. Cannot believe they're getting me to agree with the practice of magical gatekeeping, but here we are.
ちっ、Custas、さっき助け出されたばかりの災害にわざわざ戻ってくのかよ。魔法なしでこんな行動する人がいるなら、魔法が公に隠されてるのも納得だわ。まさか魔法の情報管理に同意させられるとは思わなかったけど、そういうことか。普通くん+160
Se7en_Sinner
They really wanted us to remember Custas' name. I swear Dadga yelled it more times than even Coco's name has been said in the show.
それな!カスタスの名前連呼されすぎて逆に覚えたわ。ダッダの叫びがエコーしすぎて無理。感情くん+91
Frontier246
Dagda: "CUSTAS! CUSTAS! CUSTAS!!!!" Agott: "Mr. Dagda he's literally right here! You don't need to yell any more!" They just needed to make the most of whatever screentime they could give Katsuyuki Konishi.
確かにダグダが「クスタス!」連呼しすぎだよね笑 声優の小西克幸をもっと目立たせたかったんだろうな。普通くん+48
cyberscythe
imagine if his name was Shawn (spoilers for Heavy Rain)
それな!「カスタス!」って連呼しすぎて逆に笑っちゃったんだけど笑 もし名前がショーンとかだったらまじでヘビーレインのネタバレやばくね!?ギャル+12
BosuW
Press (X) to ~~Shawn~~ Custas
確かにダドガが「カスタス!」って叫びまくってたな。まるでボタン連打ゲームみたいだったわ。普通くん+8
ChicaneryFinger
Honestly it took me too many mentions to realize it wasn't "Gustas"
確かに!ダドガが「カスタス」連呼しすぎてて、最初は「グスタス」って聞き間違えてたわ。自分も気づくまで時間かかりすぎた。無理!感情くん+6
Frontier246
Custas just pulled a pro gamer move of getting himself into danger ***twice*** in the span of five minutes. He really did not want to leave Dagda high and dry from this loss.
それな、カスタスは5分の間に2回も危険に飛び込むプロゲーマー並みのムーブかましたよね。ダグダをこんな形で見捨てたくなかったんだろうな。普通くん+68
Successful-Peach-764
the entitlement from the common folk demanding stuff is a bit strange, like how do the witches operate with the public demanding miracles all the times. You got your rescue and now you want another one after your stupidity from kids?
「民衆が当然のように奇跡を要求する姿勢は少し奇妙だよな。魔女たちは常に公衆から奇跡を求められながら、どうやって活動しているんだろうって考察してしまう。救助されたのに、今度は子供たちの愚かさでまた助けを求めるって、その流れを踏まえると、制作陣は権力と責任の非対称性を描きたかったんじゃないかと思える。」考察くん+12
Temporary_-_UserName
I think it puts the social dynamics into perspective a bit: Witches are miracle workers who can just *do things* \- and common folk have no frame of reference between what a master and an apprentice can do. Plus, well, if you're kids in mortal danger, you're going to grasp on any kind of help you can get.
確かに、それで社会の構図がよくわかるよね。魔女は奇跡を起こせる存在で、一般人には師匠と見習いの能力差なんて見えないもんな。それに、命の危険にさらされてる子供なら、どんな助けでも必死に掴みたくなるのは当然だと思う。普通くん+26
falsefingolfin
That's the interesting part about hiding the methodology of magic from common people. They have no idea how magic works and how difficult it is, so they think that witches can do anything, and with ease. Witches are basically some kind of public servant in this world
一般人の要求が過剰なのは、魔法の仕組みを隠しているからこそなんだよな。彼らは魔法の難しさを全く理解していないから、魔女なら何でも簡単にできると思い込んでる。この世界では魔女は一種の公務員みたいな立場って考察ができる。考察くん+17
cyberscythe
to get caught once in a surging river may be regarded as misfortune, twice smacks of carelessness
確かに!一回目は事故っぽくても、二回目は完全に不注意じゃん笑 てか5分で2回もピンチになるとか、まじでやばくね!?ギャル+6
jasta85
I was already onboard with the magical gatekeeping, just look at the real world, people would immediately start using it for mind control, weapons of mass destruction or assassination the moment they got their hands on it. Also, Custus doing his best to win a darwin award, the dummy.
確かに、魔法の門番制度には最初から賛成だな。現実世界見てみろよ、手に入れた瞬間に洗脳とか大量破壊兵器とか暗殺に使い始めるに決まってる。 あとカスタス、マジでダーウィン賞狙ってるだろこのバカ。普通くん+34
Top-Society1540
Im glad that we are getting some glimpse of Agott's past and the expectations placed on her.
アゴットの過去とか周りの期待がちょっとずつ見えてきて嬉しすぎるッ!もっと知りたい!感情くん+156
Frontier246
I guess one of the girls was bound to have the "coming from an elite family but was shunned/rejected for not measuring up" backstory. Agott's mom sounds like mother of the year.
うわ、確かに!アガットのマジやばくね!? エリート家系に生まれたけど期待に応えられなくて弾かれるって、そのパターン絶対誰か一人はいるよね笑 てかアガットのママ、マザー・オブ・ザ・イヤーすぎるじゃん!まじで!ギャル+143
namewithak
I like how the memory implied Agott isn’t a prodigy or a genius. It means her skills and how far advanced she is compared to the other girls were all from putting in a ton of study time and rigorous practice. Maybe gives context to how pissed off she was at Coco in the beginning for being granted an apprenticeship just by fucking up (from Agott’s pov).
確かにアガットが天才じゃなくて努力でここまで来たって描写、良かったわ。だからこそココが事故みたいな形で弟子入り認められたのが許せなかったんだろうな。普通くん+100
Raknel
原文
> Maybe gives context to how pissed off she was at Coco in the beginning for being granted an apprenticeship just by fucking up (from Agott’s pov). Yeah from Agott's POV, she tried to impress her mom and failed so she didn't get the apprenticeship she wanted, while Coco iced her mom with forbidden magic and got promoted from Outsider to being an apprentice in Agott's atelier. I'd be pissed too.
同意。アゴットの視点で見ると、彼女は母親に認められようと努力したのに失敗して望んだ見習いの座を得られなかった。一方ココは禁忌魔法で母親を凍らせてしまったことで、部外者からアゴットの工房の見習いへ昇格したわけだ。 これを踏まえると、アゴットが最初にココに対してあれほど怒っていたのも納得のいく描写だな。努力して報われなかった者と、偶然の失敗でチャンスを得た者という構図が、キャラクターの心情をより深く理解させる伏線になっている。考察くん+70
flybypost
原文
> Maybe gives context to how pissed off she was at Coco in the beginning for being granted an apprenticeship just by fucking up (from Agott’s pov). On the other hand, it might still be an overreaction. The flashback implied that she didn't get some prestigious apprenticeship that's traditional in her family (the Oxford of WHA?). Qifrey might have a reputation for collecting any strays with the eclectic collection of apprentices he has and his soft demeanour around them.
確かに。それでアガットが序盤でココにキレてた理由がわかる気がする。ただ、ちょっと過剰反応だったかもしれないけどね。回想見ると、彼女は家系の伝統的な名門見習い(WHAのオックスフォード的な?)に入れなかったみたいだし。キーフリーは変わり種の弟子ばかり集めて、甘い態度で接することで有名なのかも。普通くん+25
mucklaenthusiast
原文
To be fair, I think the show does this really well. Agott doesn't really seem far ahead of the others despite being much more dedicated. She may have the lowest natural talent out of the bunch and the story emphasises that. This is also contrasted with Coco, who seems to be way on the other end of the spectrum and just naturally talented while also being skilled in tailoring that helps her speed through the basics. I wonder what's up with the spell and if it actually was Coco's and what that means for her powers. I know "OP protagonist/destined protagonist" isn't rare at all and a bit...uninspired, but it seems fitting with the established backstories so far, including the Brimmed Caps targeting Coco specifically for some reason.
確かに。この作品はその辺の描写が秀逸だと思う。アゴットは他と比べて明らかに努力量が多いのに、突出して見えない絶妙なバランス。むしろ彼女が持って生まれた才能は最低クラスで、それを物語が強調しているんだよな。対照的にココは真逆のスペクトラムに位置して、天性の才能に加えて仕立て屋のスキルで基礎を高速習得している。 あの魔法が気になるな。本当にココのものだったのか、そしてそれが彼女の力に何を示唆するのか。確かに「最強主人公/運命の主人公」は珍しくなく、やや安直な印象もある。だが、ツバ広帽子がなぜかココを標的にしている背景も含めて、これまでの設定と合致していると思われる。考察くん+11
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
Agott was projecting her lack of self-worth on Coco after all. She sees her old useless, talentless self in Coco and that's why she's passive-aggressively been hating on Coco all this time because--to put it simply--she hates herself. Agott couldn't be any more mistaken about Coco tho, as once again, Coco's proficiency or potential for magic rears its ugly head, putting her in quite another predicament
アゴット、結局自分の自己肯定感の低さをココに投影してたんやな。自分の中の無能で才能ない過去の自分をココに見てて、だからずっと陰湿に嫌がってたんやろ——簡単に言えば、自分が嫌いなんや。 でもココに関してはアゴットの見当違いもいいとこやわ。またしてもココの魔法の適性とかポテンシャルが頭もげそうなほど炸裂して、別の厄介な状況にぶち込まれてるしな。草2ちゃん+132
Frontier246
原文
It's also probably why she cuts herself off from the other apprentices to an extent because she's so razor-focused on improving herself and all her life up to the point she ended up in Qifrey's Atelier she's probably been spent around people (adults and peers alike) who looked down on her. I feel like Agott was definitely starting to feel guilty for all those times she brought up Coco's mom when she saw how sincere Coco was in still wanting to save her.
アゴットは自己研鑽にめっちゃ集中してて、他の見習いとも距離置いてるのはそういうことだろうね。きっとキーフリーのアトリエに来るまで、周りの大人や同年代から見下されて生きてきたんだろうな。ココがあそこまで真剣に母親を救おうとしてるのを見て、アゴットは母親の話を持ち出したことを罪悪感に思い始めてると思う。普通くん+72
Wama-Schawama
Yep and she also saved Coco's life in episode 5 by pushing her down before the dragon could tail-swipe their heads off. Agott is definitely a tsundere, just like Olruggio, because I can tell that deep down she wants to be friends with Coco.
せやな。あと5話でココをドラゴンの尻尾からかばって押し倒したシーン、マジで草。アゴットもオルルジオと同じツンデレやろ。心の奥ではココと仲良くなりたいんやと思うわ。2ちゃん+39
ptd163
I have a feeling that one day the tsundere dam is going to break and she's going to be Coco's bestie and biggest supporter. The yuri shippers will go nuts.
それな!ツンデレの壁がいつか崩れてココの親友兼一番のサポーターになる日が来そうじゃん?笑 百合勢が発狂するやつ〜!ギャル+6
Toge_Inumaki012
Or she sees this outsider who barely knows magic, being accepted as an apprentice despite her lack of skills while she who has the basic knowledge at the very least being shunned and treated badly by her own family
同意。アゴットは自分に自信が持てず、それをココに投影しているんだな。彼女はココの中に、かつての無能で才能のない自分を見ている。そして、魔法をほとんど知らない部外者が、実力不足ながらも見習いとして受け入れられている一方で、最低限の基礎知識を持つ自分が家族から疎まれ、酷く扱われているという構図が浮かび上がる。この対比は、アゴットの内面の葛藤を如実に表していると思われる。考察くん+10
misc_reddit_account
原文
Oh, that cliffhanger was cruel, especially with the memory wipe glyph... coming to life? What the fuck was that? And those creepy little hands? In a magical world that has been so grounded up until this point, that was an extremely disturbing anomaly that felt right out of Fullmetal Alchemist. Do the Knights Moralis use forbidden magic to punish forbidden magic? They immediately live up to their feared reputation, and looked good while doing it. I feel like I'm on a loop saying this every week, but that was yet another strong episode from WHA with rich character insight and world building, with some gorgeous animation on the way. Episode 7 really highlighted the difficulties of being a witch in Witch Hat Atelier's world in a grounded and compelling way, along with the various ways magic can be utilized in a practical form, from the portable windowway to Qifrey's Raincleaver. In Episode 6, I'd assumed Agott was practicing drawing glyphs via muscle memory to draw them quicker, but of course, witches need to draw gylphs without civilians seeing them. Is that what Brimmed Cap Witch did when he brought the picture book to life for Coco in the festival flashback? While Agott's reasons for helping the caravan was not entirely altruistic, the pressure on both apprentices to help was immense, and completely understandable desperation from the terrified civilians. Both Agott and Coco were clever here, and while Coco is still very much a beginner, it was really satisfying to see her put her ingenuity to use in multiple facets and building upon what she's learned, though the boulder disintegration into sand was far wider spread than intended. What the hell did the Brimmed Cap Witch do to her in the labyrinth? While Agott may say she's not friends with Coco, she continues to worry about her immensely any time she's in danger. I was pleasantly surprised to get insight into Agott's character so soon and why she's so desperate to prove herself, and in turn have some context as to why poor Coco's presence initially would be such a personal affront to her. Agott has worked so hard yet still been rejected, and from her perspective Coco gets to waltz in and being Qifrey's apprentice without any training - after doing forbidden magic no less! - though we obviously know things are more complicated than that. Agott's stylized flashback was simultaneously both gorgeous and unnerving, and I love that even in a more action packed episode, there was still opportune moments for the show to be experimental visually. The shot with Agott being completely dead eyed was a shock as well. Qifrey's Raincleaver got the rightful awe inspiring response it deserved (okay, now I really do need to see him use it in the ocean), and it was great to see how Qifrey and Olruggio effortlessly work in tandem. Even though Olruggio says he's not a teacher, he is quite good at it. I haven't gotten to watch the episode in Japanese yet, but Junichi Suwabe is amazing casting as Easthies.
あの引きは酷かったな…記憶消しのグリフが動き出すって何だよ!?あの不気味な小さな手も。今まで地に足ついた魔法世界だったのに、突然『鋼の錬金術師』みたいな異常現象が飛び込んできた感じ。騎士モラリスは禁術を禁術で罰してるのか?あの一瞬で恐れられる存在ってのが納得できたし、見た目もかっこよかった。 毎週同じこと言ってる気がするけど、また今週も『とんがり帽子のアトリエ』はキャラの内面と世界観の掘り下げがしっかりしてて、作画も美しかった。第7話は魔女であることの難しさを地に足ついた形で描きつつ、魔法の実用的な使い方(携帯窓とかキーフリーのレインクリーバー)も魅せてくれた。 第6話ではアゴットがグリフを筋力記憶で描く練習してるのかと思ったけど、やっぱり魔女は一般人に見えないように描かないといけないんだな。祭りの回想でブリムドキャップの魔女がココに絵本を動かしたのもそういうことか?アゴットがキャラバンを助けた理由は完全に無私じゃなかったけど、二人の見習いに課されたプレッシャーは大きくて、市民の必死さもよくわかった。アゴットもココも賢かったし、ココはまだ初心者ながら学んだことを応用してたのが良かった。ただ岩が砂になる範囲は想定外だったけどね。迷宮でブリムドキャップの魔女は彼女普通くん+123
15_Redstones
They mentioned earlier how the memory erasing magic technically falls into the forbidden magic category, but it's got an exception in the rules.
それな!記憶消去魔法が禁術扱いなのに例外あるって伏線すぎるッ!このシーンしんどい…まさかグリフが動くとは思わなかったわ。優勝。感情くん+112
Megakruemel
"Surely this exception to the rule, wielded without due process, could never be abused or lead to problems ever. We are the good guys™ after all. Anyway- watch me delete this 10 year olds brain"
確かに、正式な手続きなしで使える例外ルールが悪用されたり問題になったりしないわけないよね。俺たちは正義の味方™だし。とりあえず、この10歳児の脳を消し去るけどな。普通くん+118
peptiresearcher81
For real its such a ridiculous concept. Almost like since its the only forbidden spell they're allowed to use, they are actually dying to use it as much as possible and potentially even power tripping a bit. I can't think of any other reason they'd just erase instantly without getting information first. Seems extremely counter intuitive for that to be standard operating procedure...
せやな、マジで馬鹿げた概念やわ 要は「唯一使える禁呪」ってことで、使いたくて仕方ないんやろな 場合によっちゃ権力に酔ってる可能性すらあるわ 情報も取らずに即消しする理由がマジで思いつかん 標準手順にしてるのが完全に逆効果やん…2ちゃん+8
Temporary_-_UserName
原文
>Oh, that cliffhanger was cruel, especially with the memory wipe glyph... coming to life? What the fuck was that? And those creepy little hands? In a magical world that has been so grounded up until this point, that was an extremely disturbing anomaly that felt right out of Fullmetal Alchemist. Do the Knights Moralis use forbidden magic to punish forbidden magic? They immediately live up to their feared reputation, and looked good while doing it. In episode 2, Qifrey explicitly noted that mind-wiping for the sake of preserving the secret magic is an exception to forbidden magic - so not to worry, the horrifying memory glyph of living goop is perfectly legal and thus completely unproblematic! 😃
確かにあの引きはエグかったな。記憶消去のグリフが動き出すとか何だよあれ…しかもあの不気味な小さな手。今まで地に足ついた魔法世界だったのに、急に鋼の錬金術師みたいな異質な不気味さが来た感じ。モラリス騎士団は禁術を禁術で罰してるのか?あの威圧感は期待通りだったし、見た目もかっこよかった。 第2話でキーフレイが「秘密の魔法を守るための記憶消去は禁術の例外」って明言してたから、あの気持ち悪い生きた記憶グリフも完全に合法で無問題ってことか!😃普通くん+69
Top-Society1540
Whatever Coco did down there has to be the "Gift" that brimmed cap gave her.
そうか!ココがあの地下でしたこと、それこそがブリムドキャップからもらった「ギフト」ってことか!エモすぎるッ!感情くん+113
Frontier246
How nice of the Brimmed Cap to give Coco a "power boost" that she seemingly can't control and just gets her into trouble!
せやな、ブリムドキャップがココに「制御不能でトラブルにしかならんパワーアップ」をくれたってワケか。ありがた迷惑すぎるやろwww2ちゃん+87
BuckeyeBentley
Brimmed Caps teaching style
それな!つば広帽の教え方やばくね?笑 「パワーあげるけど制御できないしトラブルになるよ」ってまじで投げやりすぎじゃん!ギャル+41
kkrko
Half of all Shonen Jump protagonists: First time?
確かに、主人公あるあるだよね。パワーアップしたけど制御できなくてトラブルに巻き込まれるパターン。普通くん+28
Exotic-Spite-822
The brimmed caps are lokwey just having fun messing with the normal witches
「Brimmed Cap」連中、ただ単に普通の魔女をからかって遊んでるだけやろ草2ちゃん+24
BosuW
Just drawing magic circles around them
確かに、普通の魔女たちをからかって遊んでるだけだよね普通くん+10
flashmozzg
Probably it but I wonder what triggered it. There must be some "activation" condition otherwise she'd burn the whole house down practicing the fire spell.
確かにそれっぽいよね!でも何がきっかけなんだろ?「発動条件」みたいなの絶対あるじゃん?ないと火の魔法練習中に家丸ごと燃やしちゃうしな笑ギャル+9
Aliensinnoh
But hasn’t she drawn some spells between then and now? Surely she’d have noticed it already.
確かに、でもその間に彼女はいくつか呪文を描いてるはずだよね。それならもう気づいてるんじゃないかな。普通くん+7
JJVM99
原文
The Brimmed Hats are always finding a way to make Coco suffer. We get to see who I will refer to as the cops of the Witch Hat Atelier universe in the knights of moralis and the immediately assume poor Coco is guilty and want to erase her memory. The girls were right to gush about the raincleaver. It is the coolest thing ever and that moment was amazing to see. When Qwifrey was talking about this is why he hates water when blocking the river with the raincleaver it reminded me of Anakin talking about hating sand.
とんがり帽子ども、いつもココを苦しめる方法見つけてくるンゴねえ…… モラリスの騎士ってワイが言うところの、とんがり帽子世界のポリスが出てきたけど、即座に可哀想なココを有罪扱いして記憶消そうとするのガチで草 レインクリーバーに女子たちがキャッキャしてたのマジでわかるわ。あれ最高にかっこよすぎやろ、あのシーンはマジでヤバかった クィフレイがレインクリーバーで川せき止めながら「ワイが水嫌いな理由はこれや」って言ってたの、アナキンが砂嫌いって言ってたの思い出して草生えた2ちゃん+108
Frontier246
Coco's only been a witch for seven episodes and she's already running afoul of the law. Girl can't catch a break even when she gets a win.
ココ、魔女になってまだ7話なのに早速お上のお世話になってるじゃん…勝っても休めないのしんどすぎるッ!感情くん+78
unga_bunga_mage
Tbf you can't just go terraforming an entire riverbank without getting a side eye from the popo.
確かに、いきなり川岸をテラフォーミングしたら警察に目をつけられるのも当然だよね。普通くん+64
flybypost
Something clicked when reading that comment: The brimmed hats probably got magical tattoos (like gangsta/yakuza tattoos). Lawful cone hats can't do that because they are not allowed to draw spells on people. Tattoos might actually be a sign of bad character in WHA!
ああ、その指摘には納得だな。つまり、つば広帽子連中は魔法のタトゥー(ヤクザやギャングの刺青的な)を彫ってる可能性が高いって考察か。 正統派の三角帽子は人に呪文を描くことが禁じられているから、それができない。 だとすると、タトゥーそのものがWHA世界における「悪党の証」という解釈が成り立つ。 ココが早々に法に触れたのも、そうした境界線の描写として意図的な配置だと思われる。考察くん+22
Taokaka_chan
I just realized the magic in this show is like Noita, you just chain a string of code together to make ridiculous op stuff lmao.
確かに!この作品の魔法、完全にNoitaだわwww 「コードを繋げてバカ強い効果作る」って発想、まんま同じすぎるッ!感情くん+99
Thorn14
Some of the shit people have already theorycrafted has made it clear why the Knight Moralis exist lmao
確かに、もうすでにファンが理論構築してるやつ見ると、なんで騎士道会が存在するのかよくわかるわ笑普通くん+76
avar1ce
Hope they don't have a chainsaw spell
チェーンソーの魔法だけはやめてくれよなwww2ちゃん+51
Raknel
C-chainsaw spell?
え、チェーンソーの魔法!?やばくね!?まじでどんな世界観だよ笑ギャル+31
IndependentMacaroon
Because... uh... you made a spell that works like a chainsaw
確かに、チェーンソーみたいに動く魔法を作ったからだね普通くん+44
JWL2012
Until you blow yoyrself up lol
それな!まじでNoitaみたいだよね笑 でも自分で自分を吹き飛ばすまでがセットって感じじゃん?やばくね!?ギャル+20
Taokaka_chan
Well, coco already got Noited since ep 1, her mom actually
「それな!ココ、第1話からもうノイテッドに憑りつかれてたんだよな…ママも実際そうだったし」感情くん+25
cyberscythe
i was just thinking about how it's like code; one wrong line and you end up taking down all of us-east1
確かに!コードみたいだよね。一行間違えるだけで全部吹っ飛ぶ感じ、まさにそれだわ。普通くん+10
NationalStrategy
They really shouldn’t leave these apprentices alone unsupervised, especially while they’re still in the middle of a rescue operation. This is like the second or third instance where they were caught in a situation where something occurred and an adult/supervisor was necessary Granted, it wasn’t their fault this time, but still.
監督どもマジで見習い放置しすぎやろ。しかも救助作戦の真っ最中にこれはアカンて これで何度目や、大人の監視が必要な場面に遭遇するの まあ今回は仕方ないっちゃ仕方ないけどな2ちゃん+95
Hartzilla2007
To be fair when they left the situation was under control and all that was left was basic first aid and drying people off. Then Custas decided to show he learned nothing from almost dying trying to save some of their stuff only a few minutes ago.
確かに、彼らが離れた時点では状況は落ち着いてて、基本的な応急処置と乾かすだけだったんだよね。なのにCustasが数分前に自分の荷物を救おうとして死にかけた教訓を全く活かせてないってのがな。普通くん+77
towardselysium
原文
They left two little girls completely unsupervised before a distraught mob. Tetia and Riche should have been sent off on there own, coco and agott should have gone with Olrugio or Qifrey, and the other deals with people. Leaving them unsupervised in the forest ironically has the better chance of survival since they can use their magic freely with no witnesses, but no leave them unsupervised in front of a panicking mob where the slightest mistep is a death sentence
確かに、状況が落ち着いて応急処置だけ残ってたとはいえ、あのタイミングで二人の少女を興奮した群衆の前に放置するのは無謀だよな。本来ならテティアとリーチェを別行動させ、ココとアゴットをオルジオかキーフリーに同行させるべきだったんだ。皮肉にも森に放置された方が、目撃者なしで魔法を自由に使える分、生存確率は高かったかもしれない。しかしパニック状態の群衆の前では、ちょっとしたミスが命取りになる。この判断は明らかにリスク管理を誤ってるな。考察くん+15
Hartzilla2007
They weren’t a panicking mob until Custas fell again as the crisis had been resolved.
確かに。危機が収まった後にクスタスがまた倒れたから、あそこまでパニックになったんだよね。普通くん+27
ChicaneryFinger
Ugh, why does it have to go for the eye?
あああッ!なんで目を狙うんだよ…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん+95
BuckeyeBentley
I did NOT like the decision to make the mind wipe spell work like that lol. all those little fingers
確かに、あの精神消去の魔法の描写はちょっとキツかったな。小さな指が全部ってのが特に。普通くん+62
Syokhan
I think it's kinda cute, in a terrifying way.
確かに!怖くて可愛いって感じだよねッ!その矛盾がたまらないわ〜感情くん+53
BosuW
They should make a marketable plushie out of it
確かに、ちょっと可愛いかもね。 でもグッズ化されたら怖いわ。普通くん+18
melindypants
Reminds me of the Truth from FMA
同意。あの記憶消しの演出、鋼の錬金術師の「真理」思い出したわ……まじでトラウマ級だったッ!感情くん+31
Frontier246
Why does it need to be some weird slime thing!? Qifrey didn't seem like he needed that to mindwipe Coco.
やばくね!?なんでスライムみたいな変なやつ使うんだよ! てかキーフリーってココに記憶消す時はあれ必要なかったっぽくない?笑ギャル+16
Cvxcvgg
Well, we didn’t really get to see what Qiffrey would have done to her, but I imagine that a spell to just wipe a day’s worth of memories is much simpler than one to seek and destroy every memory of magic from an entire life’s worth of memories.
確かにそうだね。キーフリーがどうするつもりだったかはわからないけど、一日分の記憶を消す魔法と、一生分の魔法の記憶を探し出して消す魔法じゃ、難易度が全然違うと思う。普通くん+10
cyberscythe
would it be better if it was a memory-wiping suppository
それな!笑 目んとこ攻撃するのやばくね!?でも記憶消す座薬とかの方がマシなの?wwwギャル+6
flashmozzg
Direct pathway to the brain.
脳直行ルートやんけ草2ちゃん+5
A-t-t-e-n-TI-ON
原文
Man, the fun police is here🫤 I could see why being a witch could be a stressful job with how so many people are relying on you to do something in an instant, when in truth the only thing that sets you apart from a normal person is that you are trained to draw spells and have access to the tools needed to do so. I didn't expect Coco's spell to be devastating. I do wonder how she managed to do it since in order for her to do magic that huge was to draw a spell of the same size. It's even more odd that no one from their group noticed, but then again they might be preoccupied with Custas. Raincleaver is so beautiful👀 I do feel sorry for Qifrey though because he literally hates water but he got stuck with water duty😭.
うわ、楽しいことぶっ潰しに来たなこの人🫤 魔女って周りに頼られまくって即座に動かされるし、実は普通の人と変わんなくて、ただ魔法の描き方覚えて道具持ってるだけって考えると、結構ストレスフルな仕事だよね。 まさかココの魔法があんなにすごいことになるとは思わなかったな。あんな大魔法をやるには同じサイズの魔法陣を描かないといけないはずなんだけど、どうやってやったんだろう。しかも仲間たち誰も気づいてないのも変だよね…まあカスタスに気を取られてたのかもだけど。 レインクリーバー綺麗すぎる👀 でもキーフリーは水嫌いなのに水の担当になっちゃって気の毒すぎる😭普通くん+93
This-is_CMGRI
> Man, the fun police is here Never been a more accurate pejorative for the Knights Moralis. They really are the fun police.
せやな。「楽しいこと警察」ってまさに騎士団にピッタリの言葉やわ。マジでその通りやwww2ちゃん+87
MarvinTraveler
原文
This episode quickly gives some clues into why Qifrey is not fond of the Knights Moralis. These dudes sound like absolute zealots, assuming way too many things at first glance and dispelling punishment right away. It seems like a quite stupid form to operate, making them really easy to manipulate with the right means. However the zealot said something really interesting: apparently Coco couldn’t have made the spell this destructive without breaking a taboo, so something is quite amiss here. This magic system is intriguing, it is both a flexible world building tool and a driver for the story.
このエピソードで、キーフレイがなぜ騎士モラリスを嫌ってるかがちょっと分かってきたな。あの連中、完全に狂信者だよね。一目見ただけで勝手に決めつけて、すぐ罰を与えようとするし。そんなやり方、かなりバカらしいし、うまくやれば簡単に操られそう。 でもあの狂信者が面白いこと言ってたんだよね。ココがあんな破壊的な魔法を使うには禁忌を破るしかないって。何かおかしい。この魔法システム、世界観を柔軟に広げる道具でもありつつ、物語の推進力にもなってて面白いな。普通くん+49
lawragatajar
Yeah, it is interesting that he recognized that there is no way to just do something like using standard methods. By extension, Coco couldn't have done that by accident with the normal tools available. Unfortunately, that means the next logical step was that it was done by using taboo methods.
同意。キーフレイが「正攻法では不可能」と認識した時点で、騎士団の絶対主義的な姿勢と対立する伏線が張られたな。ココが通常の魔法具で事故的にあれを起こせたはずがない——つまり必然的に禁忌に手を出したと推測される。この考察、制作陣の意図を読むと、騎士団と魔術師の思想の相克が今後の鍵になりそうだ。考察くん+7
cyberscythe
> so many people are relying on you to do something in an instant, when in truth the only thing that sets you apart from a normal person is that you are trained to draw spells and have access to the tools needed to do so manga authors at a party and told to "draw something cool"
確かにそれはプレッシャーだよね。普通の人と違うのは訓練と道具があるだけなのに、みんなが魔法使いに即座に何かやってくれって期待してくるのはしんどいわ。漫画家がパーティーで即興で描けって言われるのと同じ感じかな。普通くん+21
Low_Brass_Rumble
Really makes you think why a guy who hates water so much would choose to specialize in water magic
確かに!水嫌いなのに水魔法を極めるって矛盾しすぎてて逆にエモいわ。その選択に理由があるなら知りたいけど、今はただ「お前それ無理じゃね?」ってツッコミ入れたくなるッ!感情くん+14
BlobBro
He said last week. He hates water so much that he doesn't want to deal with it, so he learned water spells as quickly as possible to avoid it lol
せやな。先週本人が言ってたけど、水嫌いすぎて関わりたないから最短で水魔法覚えたってよwww 草生えるわ2ちゃん+12
Zeallfnonex
Turns out that *repelling* water is also water magic, and once your obsession makes it your best element you might as well make it your focus of study 😛
確かにそう考えると面白いな。水を嫌うからこそ「弾く」って方向に特化したってわけか。執着が最強の属性になったら、もうそれ極めるしかないよな😛普通くん+9
Cheesemacher
> I do wonder how she managed to do it since in order for her to do magic that huge was to draw a spell of the same size. I thought she somehow created an infinite loop of the small spell
それな!確かにあのサイズの魔法を使うなら同じ大きさの魔法陣が必要だよな。でも彼女は小さい魔法陣で無限ループを作ったんじゃないかって思ってたんだよな。無理すぎるしエモいッ!感情くん+5
slicer4ever
>I didn't expect Coco's spell to be devastating. I'd be surprised if coco is actually the one who made this spell. The brim hats seem to be keeping a close eye on coco from the shadows, it wouldn't surprise me if for some reason this is there doing(perhaps they want to try show coco how ruthless the knights can be, so she'll side with them later?)
ああ、ココがこの魔法を実際に作ったとは考えにくいな。つば広帽たちが影からココをじっと監視している描写を踏まえると、何らかの理由で彼らが仕組んだ可能性が高いと考察できる。おそらく騎士たちの冷酷さをココに見せつけて、後で自分たちの側に引き入れようとしているんじゃないか?というのが個人的な読みだ。考察くん+5
PeaceAlien
Coco messed up the spell or someone set her up?
え、ココが魔法失敗したってこと!?それとも誰かに嵌められたんじゃね!?やばくねそれ!ギャル+56
Haha91haha
Or subconsciously whatever knowledge that brimmed hat put in her allowed her to juice her spell without knowing it.
あのブリムハットが植え付けた知識が無意識に働いて、ココが知らん間に呪文を強化しちゃったんちゃうか?2ちゃん+65
Zemahem
Yeah, since Brimmed Caps have no compunctions about using forbidden magic, and it being possible to mess with people's minds, maybe they had tampered with Coco's memories about the rock-breaking spell. So the one she remembered wasn't the original, but one that's modified to be far, far more potent and dangerous.
確かに、とんがり帽子たちが禁術を平気で使うってのもあるし、人の記憶をいじれる可能性もあるなら、ココの岩を壊す魔法の記憶を改ざんしてたのかもね。だから彼女が覚えてたのはオリジナルじゃなくて、もっと強力で危険な改造版ってわけか。普通くん+49
flashmozzg
原文
It's possible but it'd be very strange "gift". Like here is the gift there this one obscure spell you just saw first time will be remembered slightly incorrectly but you might ever end up using it in years or will accidentally trigger it later trying to practice it. Or just forget it completely. Considering that it'll likely attract the attention of Moralis, feels strange to compromise their "plant" like that. Unless their plan involved Coco getting hit with memory erasure spell.
せやな、ありえなくはないけど「贈り物」としては超キモいやろ 「初めて見た謎の呪文をうっすら覚えさせて、数年後にうっかり使っちゃうかも」とか 「練習中に暴発するかも」とか、あるいは完全に忘れるだけやし しかもモラリスの目に止まるリスク考えたら、わざわざ「工作員」をそんなリスク晒す意味なくない? まあ、ココが記憶消去魔法を食らう前提の計画なら別やけどな2ちゃん+7
Z000Burst
it seem like it the same rock smash spell from last time, it just a bit bigger but nothing seem out of place so odd are either Coco make some line too long or some one is messing with her from the outside
確かに同じ岩砕きの魔法だよね。前よりちょっと大きくなっただけで、特に変なとこはなかった気がする。 だから、ココが詠唱のラインを長くしすぎたか、誰かが外から干渉してるかのどっちかだと思う。普通くん+31
lambalambda
Definitely feels like the latter, considering the other ep ended with the brimmed hat saying "I'll teach you things Qifrey can't" and then suddenly she's casting magic that's setting off alarms at the magic police station lol.
確かに、前回の岩破壊魔法の延長線上に見えるけど、大きさがスケールアップしただけじゃないんだよな。前話でつば広帽子が「キーフリーに教えられないことを教えてやる」って言った直後に、魔法警察の警報が鳴るレベルの魔法をいきなり使ってるのがポイントだ。これは明らかに、単なる強化版じゃなくて、何か別の系統の魔法か、あるいは禁忌に触れる技術が混ざってると考察できる。考察くん+24
TruTexan
Wasn’t the alarm that went off there due to Qifrey’s sword blast?
あの警報、キーフリーの剣の衝撃で鳴ったんじゃなかったっけ?普通くん+17
Se7en_Sinner
When you cast a spell so awesome, even the Knights Moralis wants to see it.
まじでそれな!ココの魔法やばすぎて、騎士団も見たくなっちゃったんだよ笑ギャル+29
BosuW
Forbidden gem alert
禁断の宝石すぎるッ!それ見たいの分かるわ~感情くん+5
DawgDictator
I want to believe someone set her up, given the everything was fine until after she was captured by the knights. I doubt she did a massive rock blasting spell unless she did it across the whole boulder or on the bank or something
誰かに嵌められた説ワイも推すわ。捕まるまでは全部順調やったしな。あの岩全体とか岸壁ぶっ飛ばすような大魔法をココがやったとは思えんわ。2ちゃん+11
zombiejh
Custas has negative survival instincts. Bro put all his skill points into 'wanting to help out Dad'.
クスタって生存本能ゼロじゃん!笑 まじで全スキルポイント「パパ助けたい」に振り切ってるでしょ!ギャル+52
cyberscythe
should've put some skill points into "ability to help out Dad", but meme builds are fun in their own way
確かに、スキル振りミスってるよね。でもネタビルドもそれはそれで楽しいじゃん。普通くん+20
Syokhan
原文
Welp, the Knights Moralis that Qifrey didn't want involved are now involved... that spell though, there's a huge gap from disintegrating a rock to disintegrating a whole river. Nice to see Agott coming to her senses to work with Coco. Visually, I loved the part where she was thinking about the way her own family treated her, with the people drawn like stylized, talking pens. And also, great job Agott's mother, rejecting your own daughter so hard she developed all sorts of self-esteem issues and was willing to do *anything* to prove herself! As for Custas, he was well-meaning but oh god, no survival instinct at all. He's lucky to be alive!
もう騎士団が介入してきちゃったンゴ……でもあの魔法、岩を消し飛ばすのと川ごと消し飛ばすのじゃ格が違いすぎるやろwww アゴットがココと協力する気になって良かったわ。自分の家族の扱いを思い出すシーン、ペンみたいなデフォルメキャラで描かれてたの視覚的に好き。あとアゴットの母、娘をここまで拒絶して自己肯定感ボロボロにさせて何でもやらせようとするのガチで草 カスタスは善意だけど生存本能ゼロやん。生きてるのが奇跡やわ2ちゃん+57
Exotic-Spite-822
Its only up from here for custas I think, after all he recoverd some money, the bards lute and made some new friends YAY
確かに、クスタス的にはここから上がっていくしかないよね。金も取り戻せたし、吟遊詩人のリュートも手に入ったし、新しい友達もできたし。やったね!普通くん+12
ModieOfTheEast
原文
What I found more interesting in this forbidden magic was that Coco mentioned that even the water turned into mist. Which implied to me that the "disintegration" spell she was using with the "earth" core somehow also worked on water. Which I am really interested to see how this is explained. I wondered before if you could combine different cores like this, but I mainly though about water and air, because they are very similar (with an s-shape base). If you can combine earth and water like that, how does that work? I also wonder if that is what makes forbidden magic (at least part of it as another is applying magic to your body). Combining several elements in one circle (as opposed to having several circles with one element being combined in a bigger one). Otherwise, why would they know so early that this was forbidden magic to go there? But then the question becomes how did Coco accidently do that? She was influenced at the end of episode 5, but that shouldn't change what circle she draws, right? I kind of like how such a simple scene creates so many questions and hope we get some answers next week.
確かに、今回の禁術描写で興味深かったのはココが「水さえも霧に変わった」と述べた点だ。つまり彼女が「土」の魔力核で使った「分解」の魔法が、水にも作用した可能性を示唆している。この仕組みの説明が非常に気になる。以前から異なる魔力核の組み合わせは可能か考えていたが、主に水と空気(どちらもS字ベースで類似)を想定していた。土と水を組み合わせられるなら、その理論的根拠は何なのか。 また、これこそが禁術の本質の一端(もう一つは身体への魔法適用)ではないかとも思う。複数の要素を一つの円で統合する点が、通常の複数円による合成とは異なるのだろう。でなければ、彼らが即座に禁術と判断して駆けつける理由が説明できない。 問題はココがどう偶然それを成し得たかだ。5話終盤の影響は受けたが、描く円が変わるはずはない。こんな単純な場面から多くの疑問が生まれるのが面白く、来週の回答を期待したい。考察くん+5
Syokhan
原文
I'm not super well-versed in seals, but the cloud bed spell from a couple episodes ago combined multiple seals (so, multiple sigils) to make one big spell. So I assume you can combine different elemental sigils the same way? No idea what effect they'd have on each other though, and the signs also play a big part in what the spells actually do. > Otherwise, why would they know so early that this was forbidden magic to go there? Do you mean the fact that they came to investigate?
封印の知識はそこまで詳しくないンゴけど、数話前の雲のベッドの魔法が複数の印(シジル)を組み合わせて1つの大きな呪文にしてたやん? つまり同じ要領で異なる属性の印を組み合わせられるんちゃうか? ただ相互にどんな効果が出るかは知らんし、印(サイン)も呪文の効果に大きく関わってくるみたいやな。 >> でなきゃ、なんであんな早くに禁術って分かって現場に行ったんや? ああ、調査に来たってことか?2ちゃん+8
djthomp
Very helpful for the magical secret police to show up just in time to arrest and punish several children but not in time to actually save the lives that were at risk. I am curious about who Agott's mother is. It was nice seeing Coco so happy about being called little miss witch.
魔法秘密警察が子供たちを逮捕・処罰するには間に合ったのに、命の危機を救うには間に合わなかったのは本当に助かったな。 アゴットの母親が誰なのか気になるな。 ココが小さな魔女様って呼ばれてすごく嬉しそうだったのは良かったね。普通くん+50
Raknel
Kudos to Agott for willingly making herself look like an idiot with a spell that doesn't even help, to be a distraction for Coco. Also loved the ending, the way they panned up to the sky like it was the end of the episode only for the Knights Moralis to swoop in was really well done.
アゴットが自ら進んで役に立たない魔法でバカを装い、ココの囮になった点は本当に評価できる。 また、エンディングで空を見上げるカットがまるでその回の終わりのように見せかけて、そこにモラリス騎士団が舞い降りてくる演出は非常に巧みだった。制作陣の意図が感じられる。考察くん+54
oops_i_made_a_typi
> Kudos to Agott for willingly making herself look like an idiot with a spell that doesn't even help, to be a distraction for Coco. eh she's being tsundere about it but it really is also a great flare to get the adults back, which i assume will be critical for saving Coco's ass from getting brainwiped
確かにアガットはツンデレだけど、大人たちを呼び戻すための目印としても優秀だよね。ココが記憶消されそうなのを助けるのに重要になりそう。普通くん+6
LeonKevlar
原文
I was genuinely worried that Agott was gonna do something stupid to prove herself. Glad to see the rescue went well and we even get to see Qifrey's badass Raincleaver. Too bad Custas is a massive dumbass who values cargo more than his life. Not gonna lie, I got genuinely upset at that scene. Dude almost got himself killed immediately after being saved from drowning 5 minutes ago. As much as I dislike the Knight Moralis for accusing Coco, I can't deny how much I love their outfits. Also, I'm guessing the Brimmed Hat from a couple of episodes ago supercharged Coco in some way which would explain how the Wall Breaker spell ended up going out of control. Yeah, there's no way Coco is going to get her memories erased. We're definitely gonna see Qifrey throwdown with the Knight Moralis next episode.
アゴットがまた無茶するかと思ってガチでヒヤヒヤしたわw 無事救出成功してよかったし、キーフリーのレインクリーバーかっこよすぎやろ クスタスはマジでアホやな。荷物より命大事にしろや。ワイあのシーンでガチでイラついたわ。ついさっき溺れかけたばっかやのに5分後にはまた死にかけるってどないやねん 騎士モラリスはココを疑ってるからあんま好きじゃないけど、衣装はガチで好みやわ。あと数話前のツバあり帽子がココに何かしらパワー与えたんちゃうか?それで壁破壊の魔法が暴走したんやろな ココの記憶消去は絶対ないやろ。次回はキーフリーと騎士モラリスのガチバトル来るで2ちゃん+56
kkrko
I like that Agott is just as much as fangirl of the raincleaver as the other girls
アゴットも他の子たちと同じくらいレインクリーバーのファンなのがいいよね。普通くん+38
Exotic-Spite-822
So am i , that sword is insane
それな!あの剣やばすぎるッ!感情くん+22
Frontier246
She's just a tsundere about it like she is about near everything lol.
それな!アゴットって基本的にツンデレじゃん笑 レインクリーバーにもツンデレ発動してるだけでしょ〜ギャル+9
Cheesemacher
The name "Raincleaver" goes hard. The Japanese name seems to be "suigetsu no mahou ken" (magic sword of the water moon) which sounds more basic in comparison.
「Raincleaver」って名前がカッコよすぎるッ!日本語だと「水月の魔法剣」って感じらしいけど、それに比べるとちょっとベーシックな響きだな。でもそれもまた味があって良い。感情くん+9
Frontier246
原文
Agott is lucky she has Olruggio, who was able to allow her to be in this situation to a reasonable degree so she didn't rush into it foolishly, and Coco whose good heart was able to get her to realize what actually mattered. She didn't get to stand out as the "Hero" but the priorty was working together to save others. That's what it really means to be a Witch. (Also it feels like the people in this world have literally no danger sense...)
アゴットはオルルージュがいてくれてラッキーだったね。彼が適度に状況をコントロールしてくれたから、無茶な突撃をしなくて済んだし、ココの優しい心が本当に大事なことに気づかせてくれた。彼女は「ヒーロー」として目立つことはできなかったけど、優先すべきはみんなで協力して人を救うこと。それが魔女の本当の姿だと思う。 (それにしても、この世界の人々は危険察知能力がなさすぎる気がする…)普通くん+6
socialistRanter
You’re acting like people in reality have danger sense
まじそれな!現実の人にそんな危険察知能力ないじゃん笑ギャル+8
thelightlovekindled
Everyone getting mad at Custas for putting himself in danger has me feeling really defensive for personal reasons. Whom amongst us has not stupidly climbed down a cliff/ravine in our youth.... Perhaps even at an older age than Custas... And for sillier reasons... The overconfidence of youth, etc.
「現実の人間に危険察知能力があるみたいに言うなよ」って意見には確かに一理ある。カスタスが危険を冒すことに怒る人々の気持ちは理解できるけど、個人的には少し擁護したくなる。我々の誰が若い頃、愚かにも崖や渓谷を登り降りした経験がないだろうか? しかもカスタスより年上で、もっと馬鹿げた理由で。若さゆえの過信、というやつだ。この行動、1話から描かれる彼の好奇心と衝動性の伏線回収としても読める。考察くん+14
Ikari_21
Knights Moralis drip is absolutely immaculate ngl
同意。モラリスの騎士たちの装備、マジでかっこよすぎるわ。普通くん+5
namewithak
原文
“Being inexperienced isn’t a sin.” Reminded me immediately of Nanami’s “being a child isn’t a sin”. Whatever else is going on with Qifrey, moments like these when he’s just thinking to himself speaks to how sincerely he cares about his apprentices. Not that Olly was wrong about Agott needing to see for herself but as he was the one who basically invited all the children (if one goes, all must go — it’s how kids are), he should probably have made sure to supervise them. He can’t just overstep Qifrey as a teacher (lol for all his denials about not being a teacher to Coco past episode) and then go about his merry way as if he’s not responsible for the whole situation of them being there. Anyway, not even three minutes into the ep and I was already marvelling at the animation. Last ep was really well-produced but the difference in quality between WHA’s standard of greatness (this ep) and a normal anime (last ep) is ridiculous.
「経験がないことは罪じゃない」 この台詞、即座にナナミンの「子どもであることは罪じゃない」を思い出させた。キーフリーに何が起きているにせよ、彼が独白するこういう瞬間は、弟子たちへの誠実な想いを如実に物語っている。 もちろん、アネットが自分の目で確かめる必要があるというオリーの主張は間違いじゃない。しかし、彼が子どもたちを招いた張本人なら(一人が行くなら全員行くべし——それが子どもの常だ)、監督責任を果たすべきだったろう。彼はキーフリーという教師の立場を軽々しく越えておきながら(ココに教師じゃないと否定しまくってたのに笑)、自分たちがそこにいる状況への責任を放棄して好き勝手してるようにしか見えない。 それはさておき、エピソード開始3分も経たないうちに作画に圧倒されたよ。前回も良質だったけど、WHAの通常クオリティ(今回)と普通のアニメ(前回)の差は異常だ。考察くん+47
Frontier246
It's times like these that Qifrey and Olly feel like a functioning parental duo. One half genuinely worries and wants to prioritize the kids' safety while the other is willing to give them an opening and push them a little, within reason, while still acknowledging that there are some things the kids aren't ready for.
「未熟であることは罪じゃない」ってナナミンの「子どもであることは罪じゃない」思い出したわ キーフリーとオリー、この場面見るとちゃんと親コンビしてんなって思うンゴwww 一方はガチで心配して子どもの安全優先したいタイプで、もう一方は程よくチャンス与えて背中押してやろうとしてるけど、まだ早いって線引きもわかってるって感じやな2ちゃん+31
namewithak
原文
Yeah given how comfortable Olly was at just overriding Qifrey even though he’s technically the Watchful Eye (who, as far as we know, are just there to watch), it’s probably something that’s happened before. Qifrey’s a good teacher but he’s made mistakes these first handful of episodes that speaks to either inexperience (how long have the first three been apprentices?) or a personality that makes him a flawed guardian for children. Olly, as his friend, might be compensating for that beyond what his duty should be. It kind of ends up in a weird dynamic since it makes Olly’s role in the atelier confusing. But maybe not confusing for the girls since they all just seem to treat him as another teacher lol.
キーフリーとオリーのこのやり取り、まさに機能不全気味な親子コンビって感じだよな。オリーが「監視の目」という立場(現時点ではただ見守るだけの役割)でありながら、キーフリーを平気で差し置いて動いてるのを見ると、これが初めてじゃないんだろうな。キーフリーは良い教師だが、この最初の数話でのミスは、経験不足(最初の3人の弟子はどれくらいの期間なんだ?)か、子供の保護者として不完全な性格を示してる。オリーは友人として、その役割以上に補ってる可能性が高い。結果的にアトリエ内でのオリーの立場が曖昧になる奇妙な力学が生まれてるが、少女たちにとっては単に「もう一人の先生」扱いされてるだけかもしれないけどな。考察くん+10
CooroSnowFox
It goes back to Qifrey telling Coco. Its not your fault, you weren't to know... Other people would pile it on to coco for even trying to play with something like she did
「未熟なのは罪じゃない」って言葉、ナナミンの「子供でいることは罪じゃない」を思い出させるな。キーフリーがココに言った「お前のせいじゃない、知らなかったんだ」ってのにも通じるよね。他の人ならあんな危険なことに手を出したってココを責めまくるところだけど。普通くん+16
Le_Nabs
The fact that every odd episode has at least one moment of absolute ridiculous animation is just mind boggling. The baseline is already great, when it kicks into high gear it's just stunning *and it happens all the freaking time*
「未熟は罪じゃない」ってナナミンの「子供は罪じゃない」思い出したわ。で、本題なんだが、毎奇数話に最低1回はとんでもない作画バケモノみたいなシーンが挟まるのガチで意味わからん。基準点が既に高いのに、さらにギア上げてくる時の圧巻っぷりがヤバすぎて草。しかもそれが毎回やねんwww 作画班ガチで狂っとるやろ。2ちゃん+5
CuriousWanderer567
Can’t believe we got Sukuna’s VA, Gojo’s VA, and Gojo’s look-alike technically on the same side of magic against the Brimmed Caps but also with opposing views.
サクナの声優と五条の声優、しかも五条にそっくりなキャラが同じ陣営でとんがり帽子と戦うとか信じられないな。でも考え方の違いはあるみたいだね。普通くん+49
Frontier246
Nobody wants to be on the bad end of a Junichi Suwabe character. Don't be too Specialz, Coco!
諏訪部順一キャラの敵に回る奴おらんやろ。ココ、調子乗んなよ!草2ちゃん+19
Jakeyboy143
And in the English side of things, Custas is voiced by Kasshimo of all people.
まじでそれな!英語版のカスタス、まさかのカシモが声当ててるんだけど笑ギャル+6
ali94127
We got Mikasa's VA voicing another one of the knights.
マジか!三笠の声優がまた騎士役やってるの!?それだけでエモすぎるッ!このキャスティング優勝すぎるだろ!感情くん+5
Lukas04
You can hear Qifreys VA accidentaly unleashing his inner Tanjiro the moment he has to voice him using a sword
キフレイの声優、剣を使うシーンでうっかり内なる炭治郎が出ちゃったの聞こえるんだよなw普通くん+48
Lukas04
You can also hear that slight bit of souls/elden ring in the music at the end from Kitamuras music lmao.
せやなw 最後の音楽から北村のソウルズ/エルデンリング感がちょっと垣間見えるンゴwww2ちゃん+22
Frontier246
His breathing while wielding Raincleaver was impeccable.
確かに、雨裂刀を振るうときの呼吸が完璧すぎた。普通くん+13
Magnafeana
原文
>Some things can only be learned by hands on experience. * I’m very curious with Qifrey’s pedagogy. * Ack. Yeah. I get Agott’s impatience and I see her in my old music students. We’ve all been there. Even great teachers can struggle getting students to understand why the small stuff matters. * *sees sword doing cool shit* this must be the prequel prequel to Wistoria. * I want a Kiki’s Delivery Service and Howl’s Moving Castle crossover with WHA. * **Oh no**. * Oh that is a ***lewk***. First Ichi the Witch’s little magic cops are looking fly, now we have these cops. Still ACAB. * Holy shit. * ***Holy shit***. *** Custas really just… Son 😭😭 I can’t blame the adults because you’re all trying to recover from all this shit. No one would expect a kid to go “Let me tie a rope to a tree and see if I can get the supplies that fell”. But oh Custas, c’mon now 😭 Good for Agott’s thinking here. Really digging the world building becoming more and more multidimensional with magic and the laws around when and how to use it. I have so many questions for Qifrey, though. If he’s aware of Agott’s flaws, what has he been doing to help her improve socially? I’m assuming pairing Coco and Agott was some type of movie to also benefit Agott’s social skills. And Qifrey does seem like a safe enough adult that Agott can have a more rude and stubborn personality—which is good, because that flashback had her looking scared of the adults around her. But like—simply leaving her (and the others) to her own devices to study theory and practice in a safe environment—I need to understand more about witch pedagogy to know if this is normal or not. Because they’re like 11/12, but maybe in magic society, that age is where they accompany their preceptors to observe and aid. I don’t know! But I have so many questions! Where is the board of education? I wanna talk about how these apprenticeships work over some tea. It will be a long conversation. Still kinda surprised there’s no magic academy (that we know of at least) that teaches baseline level stuff. Now that weapons are on the table as magic tools, it does worry me the apprentices might fiddle with something they don’t understand because kids are curious. So I’m hopeful that Qifrey or the other man do a bit more of a weapons safety lesson in the future when there’s downtime. Raincleaver’s cool though. It doesn’t surprise me ~~cops~~ “knights” shoot first and ask questions later in broad fucking daylight 🫠 Like my witches in Cosmic Mother, who fucking wrote the SOP for you to make a grand presentation in trapping apprentices, no interrogation, no corroborating with the preceptor, and you erase memories out the gate? Who does this fucking help if you want to track down the Brimmed Hats? *Who?!* Fucking AKAB (All Knights are Bad). No wonder yall ain’t caught the Brimmed Hat leadership by now if your method is just ***erasing the memories of anyone who sneezes Brimmed Hattily***. It sucks the head diva cop is attractive though. It really does suck. All that beauty is wasted on being a petty weirdo. Just disrespectful. There was no Brushbuddy today. Brushbuddy, where are you 🥀
*「実践でしか学べないこともある」という考察ができるな。* - キーフリーの教育方針には非常に興味が湧く。 - アゴットの苛立ちはよくわかる。昔の音楽の生徒たちを思い出すよ。小さなことの重要性を理解させるのは、優れた教師でも難しい。 - *剣がカッコいいことしてる* これ、ウィストリアの前々日譚じゃないか? - 魔女の宅急便とハウルの動く城のクロスオーバーが欲しい。 - **やばい**。 - あれは***ルック***だな。先週のウィッチの小さな魔法警察もカッコよかったけど、今度はこいつらか。それでもACABだ。 - マジかよ。 - ***マジかよ***。 *** カスタスは本当に…息子よ😭😭 大人たちを責められないのは、みんなこのクソみたいな状況から立ち直ろうとしているからだ。まさか子供が「木にロープを結んで、落ちた物資を取ろう」なんて考えるとは思わないだろ。 でもカスタス、頼むよ😭 アゴットの考えは良いな。魔法とその使用ルールに関する世界観が、どんどん多次元的に深まっていくのが良い。 キーフリーには疑問がたくさんある。 - アゴットの欠点を認識しているなら、社会的な成長のために何をしてきたのか?ココと組ませたのは、アゴットの社交性向上のための何らかの意図だったと推測できる。 - キーフリーは安全な大人だから、アゴットが無愛想で頑考察くん+45
flybypost
原文
> Because they’re like 11/12, but maybe in magic society, that age is where they accompany their preceptors to observe and aid. I don’t know! But I have so many questions! With Agott's somewhat mysterious flashback I think their artist apprenticeships might be like those in the olden days where kids started learning/working very early and already had a few years of tutelage by their early teenage years and soon become assistants. I don't know at what age they typically take those trials but maybe Agott is also feeling anxious because she's close to the age when she should have passed the second one? > There was no Brushbuddy today. Brushbuddy, where are you 🥀 Soggy season is not brushbuddy approved.
確かに。キーフリーの教育方針は気になるよね。 - 彼らは11〜12歳だけど、魔法社会ではその年齢で師匠について観察や手伝いをするのかも。よくわかんないけど色々気になる! - アゴットの謎めいた回想を見ると、昔の徒弟制度みたいに早い年齢から学び始めて、十代前半で数年修行して助手になる感じなのかな。 - どの年齢で試練を受けるのかわからないけど、アゴットも二回目の試練をパスすべき年齢に近づいてて不安なんじゃないかな。 - ブラッシュバディ今日いなかったね。どこ行ったんだろう🥤 - 湿気の季節はブラッシュバディ的にはNGみたいだね。普通くん+27
Magnafeana
Brushbuddy needs a custom carrier so they can be okay in the rain. Or a little raincoat and booties. Make Brushbuddy a model! I definitely feel the old-timey-ness of these apprenticeships. I just have so many questions. I need a parent-teacher conference with this adults or a freshman orientation or something with a syllabus print-out 😭
ブラッシュバディには雨でも大丈夫な特注キャリアが必要だな。あるいは小さなレインコートとブーツでもいい。 ブラッシュバディをモデルにしよう! この徒弟制度には確かに古風な雰囲気を感じる。ただ、疑問が多すぎるんだよな。大人たちとの保護者面談か、新入生オリエンテーション、シラバスのプリントアウトが欲しい😭考察くん+7
valar0morghulis
>It sucks the head diva cop is attractive though. It really does suck. All that beauty is wasted on being a petty weirdo. Just disrespectful. Right??!!?! Way too good looking for a ~~cop~~ knight
確かに。あの警部の隊長、顔が良すぎるんだよな。あれだけの美貌がちっちゃい変な奴に使われてるのマジで勿体ない。もったいなさすぎるわ。 だよな!!?!? 騎士(コップ)にしては顔良すぎだろ。普通くん+12
Magnafeana
First long-haired male baddie in the show and he a fucking cop, this is a federal crime 😭 We gotta use his little bondage magic rope things on him and let him know who is the true authority here 😤
まじで長髪イケメン悪役枠なのにまさかの警官って、これは国家レベルの犯罪じゃん😭 あの拘束魔法のロープで縛り上げて、誰が本当の権力者か思い知らせてやらなきゃね😤ギャル+9
valar0morghulis
Lmao, yes!! He's so fine in the manga already, and the voice actor is great too 😭
わかるww マジで!原作でもすでにカッコよすぎるのに、声優も最高すぎて泣いた😭感情くん+6
TheHolyTacoEmperor
Arkco hype moments and aura
アークコの盛り上がるシーンとオーラがすごいね普通くん+41
gihcil
Is it possible they did something to Coco's ink? The stationery shop grandpa was giving an ink lesson and talking about additives or something forbidden. If that's so, then coco just had to not use that altered ink, or is it the pen that releases the additives as ink flows. So many questions.
ココのインクに何か細工がされた可能性は十分に考えられる。文具屋のじいさんがインクの講習で添加物や禁制品について話していたのが伏線だと思われる。だとすると、ココはその改変されたインクを使わなければよかったのか、それともペン自体がインクの流れに乗せて添加物を放出する仕組みなのか。考察が深まるな。考察くん+44
jardex22
I'm pretty sure it was Coco's ink pot that caused this. We saw from the cooking lesson that casting magic on a container can alter the contents of it, like with the preserving stew container. I'm guessing that Coco has been using ink that Qifrey has been providing to her, rather than what was left in her bag. That's why there hasn't been a major reaction until now.
ワイはココのインク壺が原因やと思うわ。料理の授業で見たやろ?保存用シチュー容器みたいに、容器に魔法かけると中身が変わるってやつ。 たぶんココはカバンに入ってたインクじゃなくて、キーフリーが用意したインク使ってたんやろな。だから今まで大ごとにならんかったんや。2ちゃん+38
AceSoldia
Your punishment is oblivion. What a line
「お前への罰は忘却だ」って台詞、マジでヤバいな普通くん+34
Frontier246
原文
Agott is chomping at the bit to finally get field experience and prove herself, and this incident with a fallen carriage is the perfect opportunity. They may as well bring all the girls too! Dad #2 Olruggio will be there to make sure they're properly supervised. And Olruggio proves he was the right choice to take Agott because he can acknowledge her desire for field experience while also acknowledging that she can't rush into assisting beyond what she's actually ready for...not when she's looking to prove herself rather than actually acting on what magic is really about. Qifrey pulling out the water sword that can part the seas!!! It's called Raincleaver! All the girls are going gaga over it! Even Agott, in true tsundere fashion! Look at all those spell inscriptions on it! Next you'll tell me Qifrey's mastered Water Breathing too. Honestly was it really a good idea to leave Coco and Agott alone? Nothing good ever seems to happen when they're left alone...but hey, someone finally acknowledged Coco as a witch! Little Miss Witch indeed. Dang it Custas! I know you wanted to get some of what you lost in the crash, but putting yourself in danger after literally getting OUT of danger is the dumbest thing ever! So of course he ends up buried under rubble with poor Coco desperately trying to keep herself out of water to help him. Well, Agott wanted an opportunity to prove herself, but being put in such a critical position causes all the accusations about her "average" magic since she was a small little girl to come swarming in her ears. She never measured up to her famous mother, a mother who rejected her own daughter because she couldn't live up to her standards, and Agott's been trying to prove herself to that woman ever since. But it's Coco that makes Agott realize the priority is to SAVE LIVES and if that means Agott has to put on a light bird show to keep people distracted while Coco casts magic...so be it. And with the Power of Friendship and the magic Coco's learned along the way, she's able to do it! Say what you will about Agott, she might deny being Coco's friend, but she was still worried about her. And she can acknowledge Coco's genuine and sincere resolve to help people and eventually save her mother. So of course the moment is ruined by both girls getting taken into custody by the KNIGHTS MORALIS, lead by Junichi Suwabe, who promptly accuse them of using forbidden magic...and when they see that Coco's rock-breaking spells seemingly turned everything around it to sand and dissolved the water...it's hard to deny that accusation. Is Coco about to get slime mindwiped!?
Agottが実戦経験積みたくてウズウズしてるのガチで草www 落下した馬車の事件は絶好のチャンスやん!他の娘たちも連れて行けばいいのに!パパ2号のOlruggioがしっかり監督してくれるしな。 で、OlruggioはAgottの実戦欲を認めつつ、実際の力量以上に突っ走らせない判断できるって意味で正解やったな。Agottは魔法の本質より証明したいだけやしな。 Qifreyが海を割る水の剣引っ張り出してきた!!!Raincleaverって名前らしい!娘たちみんなキャッキャしてるやん!Agottもツンデレ全開で!あの剣の刻印やばくね?次は水の呼吸も使えるって言われても信じるわ。 正直CocoとAgottを二人きりにするの正気かよ?何かやらかしそうで怖いわ…でもついにCocoが魔女として認められた!リトルミス・ウィッチやん。 Custasマジでアホやろ!怪我した荷物取り戻したいのは分かるけど、危ないとこから出たばっかでまた突っ込むとか頭おかしいやん!案の定瓦礫に埋まって、Cocoが必死に水から上がって助けようとしてるし。 Agottは証明する機会を得たけど、そんな重大な場面で「平均的な魔法」って言われた子供の頃のトラウマが蘇るんやろな。有名な母親に全く及ばなくて、基準に達しないからって娘を拒否した母親にずっと認められよう2ちゃん+35
flybypost
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> It's called ~~Raincleaver~~ Moses-blade! > Honestly was it really a good idea to leave Coco and Agott alone? Nothing good ever seems to happen when they're left alone.. That might have been out of necessity. They are the two apprentices with no sylph shoes and Coco mentioned that she still needs to return/remake Agott's. It might be awkward for the apprentices to swap shoes under cloaks just so that those two get separated for this one, simple, task (take care of the people). > Agott, she might deny being Coco's friend, There might be a big difference between how Agott feels about Coco (friend) and how she defines the term "friend" in her own mind so that she hasn't realised yet that she already sees Coco as a friend. With her not being valued by her own family for lacking skills she might also have a twisted perception of her own worth and/or see relationships more strictly as transactional than something that can just grow because you get along with somebody.
うーん、これは「雨裂き」じゃなくて「モーセの剣」って呼ぶべきだよな! 正直、ココとアゴットを二人きりにするのは本当に良い判断だったのか?あの二人が二人きりになると、ろくなことにならない気がするんだけど… ただ、それはやむを得ない判断だった可能性が高い。二人ともシルフシューズを持っていない見習いで、ココがアゴットの靴を作り直す必要があるって言ってたしな。簡単な任務(人々の世話)のために、見習い同士がマントの下で靴を交換するのは気まずいだろう。 アゴットはココの友達だって認めたがらないかもしれないけど、 アゴットがココに対して抱いている感情(友情)と、彼女自身が頭の中で「友達」という言葉に定義している意味には大きな隔たりがあって、まだ自分がココを友達と認識していることに気づいていないんじゃないか。 家族から能力不足で評価されなかった経験から、彼女は自己価値観が歪んでいたり、人間関係を「気が合うから自然と育つもの」ではなく、もっと打算的な取引として捉えている可能性も考えられる。考察くん+7
AAA_BATT
free my girl bro she didn't anything
ちょっと待って!彼女は何も悪いことしてないのに!解放してやってくれよッ!感情くん+29
unga_bunga_mage
I demand a fair trial for Coco!
ココには公正な裁判を求めるわ!普通くん+12
cyberscythe
didn't anything *today* at least
確かに今日は何もしてないじゃん!てかそれ言われたら反論できなくない?笑ギャル+6
zool714
Coco was so adorable after the guy called her “Little Witch”
ココ、あの男に「小さな魔女」って呼ばれた後の反応めっちゃ可愛かったな普通くん+26
NanDemoKnaives
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It's sad that the first thing Agott thinks of when Dagda pleads for her help is how she'll be able to stand out rather than concern over saving Custas. Thanks to the flashbacks we've gotten a small look into as to why she's so impatient and dedicated to studying, and how she feels she needs to have value.  Qifrey cleaving the river was cool to see.  I'm guessing Coco's spell copied the repetition part and that's why it's continuing to turn everything into sand, she might not know how to make a singular version. It's weird how that Knights just jumps into sending Coco into oblivion clearly seeing she's an apprentice, why isn't he looking further into the matter?
アゴットがダグダに助けを求められた時、最初に頭に浮かんだのがクスタスを救うことより「どうやったら目立てるか」だったのは悲しいな。これまでの回想シーンから、彼女がなぜそんなに焦って勉強に没頭し、自分に価値が必要だと感じているのか、少し垣間見えた気がする。 キーフリーが川を割ったシーンはかっこよかったな。 ココの魔法が「繰り返し」の部分をコピーして、それが原因で全部を砂に変え続けてるんだろうな。おそらく彼女は単発版の作り方を知らないんだと思う。しかし騎士があの状況で、ココが明らかに見習いだと分かっていながら、すぐに抹消に踏み切るのはおかしい。なぜもっと事態を調査しないんだ?考察くん+29
Raknel
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> It's sad that the first thing Agott thinks of when Dagda pleads for her help is how she'll be able to stand out rather than concern over saving Custas. I really like these moments. It seems like Agott's personality is a clash between nature vs nurture - she doesn't seem evil by default, but her upbringing sort of turned her into a bit of an asshole. That conflict makes her an interesting character.
確かに。アゴットがダグダに助けを求められた時、真っ先に「どうやったら目立てるか」って考えるの悲しいよね。 でもそういう瞬間、好きだな。 アゴットの性格って生まれと育ちのぶつかり合いみたいでさ。根っからの悪人じゃないけど、育った環境がちょっとアレな方向にしちゃった感じ。その葛藤が面白いキャラにしてると思う。普通くん+14
quietvictories
we're so witchback
「ウィッチバックすぎるッ!」感情くん+22
Resident_Tourist_344
Man... Qifrey should know better by now, he really can’t leave Coco alone. Every time she’s left on her own, trouble is right at the door.
キーフリーも学習しろよな…ココを一人にするなっての。彼女を放置するたびにトラブルが起きるんだから。普通くん+25
CooroSnowFox
Although how quickly Him and Alruggio pick Richet and tatia over Agott... she is another who needs watching
確かに!てかキーフリーとアルルジオ、アゴットよりリチェとタティアをすぐ選ぶのやばくない?笑 アゴットも目離せない子だよね〜ギャル+13
Resident_Tourist_344
I guess, partly, why they didn't take Agott with them was because of her inability to fly with them, as our girl Coco ruined her Sylph Shoes in the Dadah Range.
確かに!でもアゴットを連れて行かなかったのは、ココがシルフシューズをダダ山脈でダメにしちゃったから一緒に飛べなかったってのもあるよね…あの子の成長も見守りたいところだわ。感情くん+18
Remarkable-Solid5582
I don't understand why hasn't Agott repaired the shoes herself. She's good at magic so it should be easy for her.
確かに、アゴットが自分で靴を直さなかったのは不思議だよね。彼女の実力なら簡単そうなのに。普通くん+7
itsfayevi
And so the local child hater makes his debut. Hi, Easthies.
あっ、地元の子ども嫌いが登場じゃん!笑 やっほー、イーシーズ!ギャル+17
Ozzyr_21
Custas wanted to help his father, ended up risking his life and giving trouble to others. Coco wanted to help her mother, ended up risking her life and giving trouble to others. The parallel man the parallel, at least this time Coco saves the day. But something weird happened anyway, what in the world did the Brim Caps do to Coco?
クスタスは父親を助けようとして、結局命を危険にさらして他人に迷惑をかけた。ココも母親を助けようとして、同じように命を危険にさらして他人に迷惑をかけた。この対比がすごいな。でも今回はココが事態を救ったのが救い。それでも何か変なことが起きたけど、ブリムキャップズはココにいったい何をしたんだろう?普通くん+17
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
Coco and Agott really displayed some solid teamwork this week. That was one hell of a tricky situation to be thrust into like that, but the girls made it work. Props to Coco for remembering the rock smashing magic from before and Agott’s spell was a good distraction to hide Coco’s casting. I don’t think Coco’s spell did all that to the river. She’s not that strong. So who was it? Who tampered with that shit?
ココとアゴットのコンビネーションガチで良かったわ。あの状況に放り込まれてよくやったと思うンゴ。ココが前の岩破壊魔法思い出したの偉いし、アゴットの魔法でココの詠唱隠すのも上手いやん。 でもココの魔法だけで川がああなったとは思えへん。あそこまで強くないし。じゃあ誰やねん。あれ改変したの誰やねん。2ちゃん+16
Frontier246
The true magic was the power of friendship and teamwork these girls gained along the way.
それな!まじで友情パワーやばくね?笑 二人の連携プレイ、めっちゃ熱かったじゃん!ギャル+12
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I see, Qifrey hates water so much that his main focus when developing magic was one that can control water. I mean, his big dragon was made from water as well after all. But hey, at least Agott has a small victory. When not concentrating too much on getting it perfect but what it is for she can even draw a light spell without looking. I am interested to see where the ending goes. I mean, they did something to Coco at the end of the second to last episode. So I assume this is the consequence of that but I wonder how it truly works. Like Coco was practicing magic before, so why did it "go out of control now"? And especially how does this work with a simple "earth disintegration" circle? Because not only was the effect way stronger, it seemingly even worked on water despite being a different element. It especially begs the question if there is an innate "talent" that can create stronger magic from simple circles and it was awakened or forced on Coco.
なるほど、キーフリーは水を嫌うあまり、魔法開発の主軸を水を操ることに置いていたのか。あの巨大な竜も水で構成されていたしな。 一方で、アーガットには小さな勝利がある。完璧を求めすぎず、目的に集中すれば、目をつぶっても光の魔法を描けるようになったわけだ。 最終回の行方が気になる。第2話の終盤でココに何かが起きた。その結果が今回の出来事だと思うが、その仕組みが気になる。ココは以前から魔法の練習をしていたのに、なぜ今になって「暴走した」のか?特に単純な「土壌崩壊」の魔法陣でどうしてこうなる?効果が異常に強力だっただけでなく、異なる属性である水にも作用していた。これは、単純な魔法陣から強力な魔法を生み出す「才能」のようなものが先天的に存在し、それがココで目覚めたか、強制的に引き出された可能性を示唆している。考察くん+18
Frontier246
Olruggio: "Qiffrey, why do you have so much weaponry based around wielding water? Aren't we supposed to not be scary witches?" Qifrey: "Water's scary, Olruggio."
確かに、キーフリーが水をこんなに極端に嫌うからこそ、あれだけ水を操る魔法に特化したんだろうね。普通くん+22
ModieOfTheEast
It has the same energy as someone becoming a scientist to figure out why water has to be always so wet.
「水を自在に操る兵器を大量に作る理由、怖がらせちゃダメじゃない?」ってオルルジオのツッコミ、確かにそれな!でもキーフリーの「水はなんでいつも濡れてるんだろう」って科学者になる発想と同じエネルギー感じるわ…エモすぎるッ!感情くん+7
MapoTofuMan
I expected Qifrey to just levitate everyone out of the water normally, but man clearly has a very strict aura-farming quota to fulfill.
キーフリーは普通にみんなを水から浮かせるだけかと思ったけど、こいつ明らかにオーラ稼ぎのノルマが厳しいやつだな。普通くん+16
Background_Formal940
原文
So let me get this straight they saved him from a disaster only for him to do something this reckless that could have gotten himself killed he also dragged coco with him and I suspect that coco had nothing to do with the spell going out of control I bet you that evil witch was right there somewhere and he cast the same spell to make coco look like the guilty one he seems to love messing with cocos life.
つまり彼らは災害から彼を救ったのに、彼は自分を死なせかねない無謀な行動を取った上にココを巻き込んだわけだ。そしてあの呪文の暴走にココは無関係だと睨んでいる。あの邪悪な魔女がどこかに潜んでいて、同じ呪文をかけてココを犯人に見せかけたんだろう。彼女はココの人生を弄ぶのが好きみたいだな。考察くん+14
Frontier246
Brimmed Cap: "Escaping being accused of a crime you didn't commit is a great learning experience!"
確かに、「濡れ衣を着せられて逃げるのもいい勉強だ!」ってか。でもさすがに無謀すぎるだろ……普通くん+26
unga_bunga_mage
Didn't the evil witch dude do something to Coco's hat or whatever?
せやな、悪い魔女野郎がココの帽子かなんかに細工してなかったっけ?それでこんな無茶やったんやろなあ……草2ちゃん+10
hgpnguyen1996
No wonder the Brimmed Hat can run around so easily like that. These witch polices are so eager to destroy any kind of clue they may have. I bet the Brimmed never has to worry even if one of them got caught as their memory will be erase before they can even disclose any kind of secret
なるほど、ツバ広帽がこんなに簡単に逃げ回れるのも納得だ。魔女警察は手がかりを片っ端から消そうと必死だからな。もし一人捕まっても、秘密を漏らす前に記憶を消されるから、ツバ広帽は何も心配する必要がないという考察ができる。考察くん+15
szalhi
*She should get into Academia.* Gravity is for chumps.
彼女はアカデミアに入るべきだね。 重力ってダサいもんな。普通くん+14
Frontier246
"This was, after all, My Witch Academia." I love how she didn't know how to stop floating lol.
「結局ここは、私の魔女アカデミアってわけね」ってやつ!笑 浮かび方止められないの、まじでかわいすぎん?笑ギャル+13
AmethystItalian
Lot to talk about this ep but I just loved that air high 5 they did the most
このエピソードはいろいろ語りたいけど、あの空中ハイタッチが一番好きだったな普通くん+13
thisisdropd
原文
I get that Custas was just a kid, but he did really waste Qifrey & Olruggio's efforts by going back down. Not only that, he's indirectly led the Knights Moralis to (almost) neuralyse Coco. Near certain that it'd be interrupted but how? Reckon the bird Aggott had summoned really did alert Qifrey's attention. For all her tsundere act towards Coco, her excuse would end up eventuating. We’ve got a glimpse into why Agott’s such a hardass in contrast to her fellow apprentices. Which made it more impressive that she’s willing to take a backseat and play distraction.
カスタスがガキなのは分かるけど、あれでキーフリーとオルルジオの努力パーにしたやん……しかも結果的に騎士団がココを(ほぼ)洗脳するとこまで導いちゃったし。中断されるのは確定的に明らかだけど、どうやってやねん。 アジョットが呼んだ鳥がキーフリーの気を引いた説あるわ。ココへのツンデレ行動も、結局は言い訳になってたってオチやろなw 他の見習いと違ってアジョットがなんであんな堅物か垣間見えたな。だからこそ、自分が一歩引いて陽動役に回るってのがより印象的やったわ。2ちゃん+11
WhoiusBarrel
Crazy how one kid can cause such chain of events by being stupid.
確かに、一人の子供のバカな行動であそこまでの連鎖反応を起こすのはすごいなって思うよ。普通くん+13
rollin340
Wow, those guys really suck at their jobs huh? You could not have been the one who cast this without support from terrorists even if we assume you truly did. No more questions. Let us erase all your memories and do no further investigations into your potential collaborators. Top tier morons right there.
この魔法使い連中、職務放棄にも程があるだろ。仮に真実だとしても、テロリストの支援なしに君が呪文をかけられたとは考えられない。質問は終わりだ。記憶を消去して、共犯者の調査も打ち切れと。 完全に愚策と言わざるを得ない。この判断から制作陣のメッセージ性を読み取ると、権力機構の硬直化を批判している可能性が高い。伏線として、後の組織内部の瓦解に繋がる布石だと思われる。考察くん+14
gst4158
That cliffhanger is really rude! Got some Argott background lore and im really curious how Coco managed to destroy the whole area. Wild episode. No Brushbuddy this week sadly.
この終わり方はひどすぎるだろ!アーゴットの過去話が少しわかったけど、ココがどうやってあんなに広範囲を破壊したのかすごく気になる。めちゃくちゃな回だったな。 あと今週はブラッシュバディがいなくて残念。普通くん+14
2kenzhe
原文
Man these knights are way too hasty. No investigation really just straight to ok lets erase your memories now. Like yep definitely all this little girls fault. It easily could've been just an actual brim hat framing them or something. Idk maybe the "gift" caused Coco's magic to go haywire etc. Still crazy how that entire riverbank is just fucked? all turning to sand goddamn. Maybe the knights should try to stop that first before spending all their attention on two little girls that just saved a kid? Also goddamn Coustas just keeps putting himself in dangerous situations. Lets hope he doesn't get himself in anymore trouble from now on. Look I get you gotta do your job you gotta follow the rules whatever but you gotta do your job right and properly not straight to mind erasing the little girl instead of idk looking and checking for actually brim hats. Anyways we get a bit of Agott and Coco teamwork cool. We see a bit of her past as well and why she's so impatient. Seems her mother or whatever really good? but then Agott is lacking in comparison? Also so you gotta be able to draw with just muscle memory huh under the cloak where nobody can see you draw? Cool. That rain/water cleaving sword was sick af as well. Qifrey really must hate water cuz he fucking mastered every way control water to not get wet, specializing in water magic, and if that's not enough, he has a fucking sword to stab water.
この騎士たち、明らかに判断が早すぎるよな。まともな調査もせずに「よし、記憶消すぞ」って直行。もちろん全部この少女のせいってわけか。実際はただのブリムハットが彼女に罪をなすりつけた可能性だって十分あるし、「ギフト」がココの魔法を暴走させた可能性だって考えられる。 あの川岸が全部砂になってるのやばくない? まずそっちを止めるのが先じゃないのか? 子どもを救ったばかりの少女二人に全神経を集中する前に。それにクスタス、また危ない状況に飛び込んでるし。これ以上トラブルに巻き込まれなきゃいいけど。 仕事だからルールに従わなきゃいけないのは分かるけど、ちゃんと正しくやれよ。いきなり少女の記憶を消す前に、ブリムハットがいないか調べるのが先だろ。 まあでもアゴットとココのチームワークは良かった。アゴットの過去も少し見えたし、彼女がなぜあんなにせっかちなのかも理解できた。母親(?)が超優秀で、それと比べられてる感じか? 誰にも見えないマントの中で、筋肉記憶だけで描線を引けるようにならなきゃいけないってのも面白い設定だな。 あの雨/水を斬る剣もめちゃくちゃかっこよかった。キーフレイは本当に水が嫌いなんだな。水を操る魔法を極めて濡れないようにしてるのに、さらに剣で水を刺すとは。考察くん+13
Huemun
Looks like the magic fascists have finally arrived. So cool that this secret police force with a hidden surveillance network can just appear at any time and extra judiciously punish you without evidence. I really hope the creator walks carefully with this topic because it could be a bit suspect to make something like this look acceptable.
魔法ファシストがついに登場したか。秘密の監視網を持った秘密警察がいつでも現れて、証拠なしで勝手に罰を与えられるって、めっちゃ怖いな。作者にはこのテーマを慎重に扱ってほしい。こんなのを許容できるように見せるのは、ちょっと問題ありそうだから。普通くん+15
kkrko
Let's just say that when their first appearance involves them threatening to mind wipe a 10 year old girl without asking questions other than "who did this?", they are NOT making a good first impression
彼らの初登場が「誰がやった?」以外の質問もせずに10歳の少女の記憶を消すと脅すシーンだった時点で、第一印象は最悪だという考察ができる。この秘密警察の監視網の存在自体が、世界観の伏線として機能していると思われる。考察くん+33
Prof_Acorn
Could be modeled off the Spanish Inquisition instead, which — okay yeah nevermind.
スペインの異端審問所がモデルなのかもね…いや、やっぱやめとくわ。普通くん+6
No_Name0_0
原文
Well weapons also using magic seals should've been obvious but damn that was a cool sword. We started seeing better side of Agott and even more obnoxious Knight Moralis appeared already, like didn't even bother checking the seals or investigating whose students are these girls and went straight to memory wipe lol Qifrey and Olruggio vs knight Moralis next ep? I wanna see more of pro magic of these veterans
まあ武器にも魔法印を使うのは当然といえば当然だけど、あの剣はめちゃくちゃカッコよかったな。アゴットの良い面が見え始めた一方で、モラリス騎士はますます厄介なキャラとして登場したな。封印を確認したり、この少女たちが誰の弟子か調べるのもせずに、いきなり記憶消去に走るって笑える。 次回はキーフリーとオルジオ対モラリス騎士か?ベテラン魔法使いの本気の戦いをもっと見たいという考察ができる。考察くん+12
dude_1818
原文
I really love this episode for finally digging into what all is up with Agott. It's been obvious that she's always felt anxiety about proving herself worthy, and felt threatened by Coco showing up without having "earned" it. The references to her pedigree implied there was some estrangement due to her underperformance, but I hadn't expected that she was rejected as an apprentice by her own mother. That hit incredibly hard with this animation. Agott going through the mental journey of "I can finally prove myself" -> "what if I fail to prove myself" -> "Coco's right, the important thing is saving the guy" was fantastic Hell yeah, the real villains of the story have finally shown up
アガットの掘り下げが来てよかったよ。ずっと自分を証明したい不安と、ココが「努力せずに」現れた脅威を感じてたのは明らかだったしね。家系の話から実力不足で疎遠になってるのは想像できたけど、まさか実の母親に弟子を拒否されてたとは思わなかった。あのアニメーションでめちゃくちゃ響いたわ。アガットが「証明できる」→「失敗したら?」→「ココの言う通り、大事なのはあいつを助けること」って思考を辿る流れが最高だった。 そうそう、ついに真のヴィランが登場したな。普通くん+12
FoolingFinality
Qifrey's hydrophobic nature will always come in handy in such a situation, I mean, this man repels water like oil. At this rate, Qifrey is going to be the Moses of this verse. The spell's effect on Olruggio's boots was far different from that of Qifrey's and Agott's.
キーフリーの疎水性はこういう場面で常に役立つんだよな。つまり、この男は水を油みたいにはじく。この調子だと、キーフリーはこの世界のモーセになるんじゃないか。 オルルジオのブーツにかかった呪文の効果が、キーフリーやアーゴットのものとは全く異なっていた点も注目すべきだ。これはおそらく、魔法の性質や使用者の特性の違いを反映した意図的な描写だと思われる。考察くん+9
Combatmedic2-47
Nice we got raincleaver
いいね、raincleaver来たか普通くん+10
FarCritical
Always love it when a story focused on magic spells and eye candy can still make room for a badass sword. Can't exactly tell if Qifrey and Olrug left Coco and Agott alone on purpose but it was cool watching them work together, even if indirectly. The whiplash from pulling off a rescue operation to being sentenced for witch war crimes is wild though.
魔法とビジュアル重視の話でカッコいい剣を出してくるのマジで好きやわ キーフレイとオルルグがココとアゴットをわざと残したかは分からんけど、間接的にタッグ組んでるの見れて草生えたわ。救助作戦成功したと思ったら魔女戦争の戦犯扱いで裁判とか落差エグすぎやろwww2ちゃん+11
Druplesnubb
I think it's because Coco and Agott are the only two without sylph shoes.
確かにココとアゴットだけがシルフの靴持ってないからな。普通くん+22
flybypost
Yup, Coco also mentioned that she has to return/remake Agott's sylph shoes.
それな!ココもアゴットのシルフシューズを作り直さなきゃって言ってたしね!二人とも靴がないってのがめっちゃ気になる…!感情くん+6
jardex22
原文
I'm guessing Qifrey knows that Agott is responsible enough to act responsible in public. She didn't offer to gather more lost supplies from the river. She knew how to conceal her drawing. If Custas hadn't tried to gather more supplies, nothing would have happened. But from a storytelling perspective, they just left the two characters without the ability to fly together to drive the story in a certain direction.
確かにキーフレイはアゴットなら公共の場でちゃんと責任ある行動できるって分かってたんだろうな。川から落ちた物資を集めようとしなかったし、描画も隠す方法知ってたし。もしカスタスが余計なことしなければ何も起こらなかったはず。 でも物語の構成としては、空飛べない二人を一緒に残すことで話を展開させたかったんだろうね。普通くん+5
codec264
I wonder if the powerful sand spell has anything to do with the Brimmed Cap's gift from ep 5
それな!!あの強力な砂の魔法、絶対第5話でブリムドキャップからもらったギフト関係あるでしょ!エモすぎる!!感情くん+9
Shimmering-Sky
原文
- Yeah… - Oh, Agott. - That person…? - At least everyone’s safe. I was worried something would go wrong (most likely thanks to Agott doing something). - Ah shit, *now* there’s something going wrong. - Dang… - Hm… - Smart catch. Will it work, though… - That’s a nice spell from Agott, though! - Nice one, Coco! - Ah, so she broke the boulder. - Uh-oh. - They just immediately assumed that…? - Wait *what*? - Gah, that’s a cruel cliffhanger.
- せやな… - アガットか - あの人って…? - とりあえず皆無事で良かったンゴ。なんかやらかすんちゃうか心配やったわ(たぶんアガットの仕業やろな) - あっ、やっぱり今なんかやらかしたンゴwww - ちっ… - ふーん… - ナイス気付きやん。でも通用すんのか…? - アガットの魔法、結構イケてるやん! - ココやったな! - ああ、岩ぶっ壊したんか - やべえ - いきなりそう決めつけたんか…? - ちょっと待て何って? - くっそ、エグい引きやな2ちゃん+9
CrowApprehensive8816
I really want to read the manga, but the surprise each week is just amazing!! Such a nice sequence, coco being able to use her magic was really cute
漫画読みたい気持ちはめっちゃわかるけど、毎週のサプライズが最高すぎるんだよな!!今回の展開も良かったし、ココが魔法使えるようになったシーンめっちゃ可愛かった普通くん+10
jardex22
Same. I have my eye on the hardcover edition that recently released. I'm going to get it pretty soon. I'm not sure if the anime has covered all the content in it yet.
せやな。最近出たハードカバー版が気になってしゃーないンゴ。近いうちに買うわ。アニメがそこまで全部カバーしてるかは知らんけど。2ちゃん+6
Zemahem
原文
That portable gateway is really neat. Always a treat to see more of the ways and tools they use magic with. Qifrey's sword is also cool af. No matter the situation, he just finds the opportunity for style points. Though I'm curious how exactly the seals on its blade get activated. We're also getting tidbits of Agott's backstory now, with her mother being a big shot that disowned her for not living up to expectations. And she's thankfully moving towards not being a complete hater towards Coco after this. With the magic cops arriving on the scene, I was ready to roll my eyes at how they were just gonna mess with our protagonists without actually helping anyone. But the sand magic spreading this way is actually genuinely terrifying. At least it doesn't seem to affect people or else it would be truly nightmare fuel. Could this be why the Brimmed Caps are homing in on Coco? Cause she somehow has an effect on magic to make it do this stuff? Or maybe this was what the masked Brimmed Cap was talking about when they secretly abducted Coco while in the Escher dimension. Maybe they planted something on her that would trigger the next time she used this spell and cause it to go haywire.
携帯ゲートめっちゃいいな。魔法の使い方や道具のバリエーションが増えるのはいつ見ても楽しい。キーフリーの剣もめっちゃかっこいい。どんな状況でも決めるんだな。でもどうやって刀身の封印が発動するのか気になる。 アゴットの過去もチラ見せされてきたね。母親が大物で期待に応えられなかったから勘当されたって。でも彼女がココに対して完全なアンチじゃなくなってきてるのは良かった。 魔法警察登場で「また主人公たち邪魔するだけだろ」って思ったけど、砂魔法の広がり方めっちゃ怖い。少なくとも人に影響はなさそうだけど、そうじゃなかったら完全に悪夢だわ。 これがツバ広帽がココを狙う理由なのか?彼女が魔法に影響を与えてこんな現象を起こしてるってこと?それともエッシャー次元でマスクのツバ広帽が言ってたことに関係してるのかも。彼女に何か仕込んで、次の呪文使用時に暴走させるようにしたとか。普通くん+9
Sleepy10105s
Well now we know why we didn’t see Coco actually save the boy. But, there’s no way to know what actually went wrong based on previous episodes.
なるほどな、ココが実際に少年を救うシーンがなかったのはそういうことか。でも過去の話だけじゃ何が悪かったのか特定できんわな。2ちゃん+9
jardex22
My guess is that the spell was amplified the same way the petrification spell was in the first episode. The spell was small enough to fit on a piece of paper, but it spread enough to cover a whole house. Either Coco modified the rock breaking spell based on her experience with the book, or the 'gift' she was given by Eye Mask a couple episodes ago somehow altered the spell.
確かに。たぶん1話の石化魔法みたいに呪文が増幅されたんだろうね。紙に収まるサイズの魔法のはずが家全体に広がったって感じで。ココが本での経験をもとに岩を壊す魔法を改造したか、数話前にアイマスクからもらった“ギフト”が何か影響した可能性もあるかも。普通くん+9
spectre15
This show really has one of the most impressive English dubs I’ve seen in a long time
このアニメ、英語吹き替えがマジでヤバいレベルに良すぎるッ!久々にここまでのクオリティ見たわ優勝!!感情くん+9
simdude
原文
I was thinking we were going to see a completely different conflict than the one that played out. I was expecting the child to be injured and the people to be aggressively hounding the children to do *something* including things that would be forbidden magic, even though they have no such concept of it. I imagine something that has to come up in the world that is going to be difficult for Coco is the idea of saying no in a life or death situation to helping someone with magic when the only choice is to use forbidden magic. I was thinking this was going to be the case because the adults who are used to denying regular folks weren't there to put their foot down. I'm curious if something like that does eventually come up, but I'm even more curious how the brimmed hat turned Coco's small spell into something big given what we know about the rules of magic in this world.
確かに予想と違う展開だったな。俺もてっきり、大人たちがいない状況で子供が怪我をして、周りが禁術に当たるような魔法を無理やり使わせようとする展開になると思ってたんだよ。ココにとって「命がかかっても禁術しか選択肢がない状況でどう断るか」ってテーマは今後必ず出てくるはずだしな。 ただ、ツバ広帽子がココの小さな魔法をどうやって大規模なものに変えたのか、こっちの方がもっと気になる。この世界の魔法のルールを考えると、かなり興味深い伏線だと思われる。考察くん+9
BaytaCosmico
原文
Junichi Suwabe! Another reason to look forward to this show from here on. But how did the Knights Moralis know Coco would cast that spell and cause that widespread effect? It seemed like they detected Qifrey's water cutting and came over before Coco had cast hers.  So Agott's issues stem from being the daughter of some powerful witch who disowned her for not being good enough. And because of this she's been itching to prove her worth. Glad she chose to do what was best instead of showing off in the critical moment. And it seems like she's been projecting her sense of unworthiness onto Coco. Will she redeem herself by saving Coco from these Knights Moralis? Or will Qifrey come back in time after having noticed her bird of light?
諏訪部順一か!これからも楽しみになる要素が増えたね。 でもナイツモラリスはどうやってココがあの魔法を唱えて広範囲に影響を及ぼすって知ってたんだ?キーフリーの水切りを感知して、ココが魔法を唱える前に来たみたいだけど。 アガットの問題は、優秀じゃないって理由で勘当された強力な魔女の娘ってことから来てるんだな。だから実力を証明したくて仕方なかったんだろう。大事な場面で見せびらかさずに最善を選んだのは良かった。自分への不甲斐なさをココに投影してたみたいだし。ナイツモラリスからココを救って償うのか?それとも光の鳥に気づいたキーフリーが間に合うのか?普通くん+8
thelightlovekindled
原文
>But how did the Knights Moralis know Coco would cast that spell and cause that widespread effect? It seemed like they detected Qifrey's water cutting and came over before Coco had cast hers.  Second sentence on point. They heard someone was doing flashy magic and went to make sure it was "authorized," (and presumably clean up if it wasn't), but by the time they got there, Coco's spell had already gone wrong and they had a new target. Probably Agott's light bird also told *them* exactly where to go...
同意。「第二文が核心をついている」という指摘は的を射ているな。モラリス騎士団はココが魔法を失敗する前から、キーフリーの水切り魔法を検知して現場に向かっていたと考察できる。つまり、彼らは「派手な魔法が使われている」という情報だけで動いており、ココの事件は結果的に彼らの標的になったに過ぎない。アガットの光の鳥が正確な位置を知らせたというのも、伏線として納得がいく。制作陣の意図がよく練られていると感じる。考察くん+15
BaytaCosmico
Ah, that makes sense. So it's not that they detected forbidden magic just something big going down and decided to investigate.
あー、なるほど。つまり禁術を感知したわけじゃなくて、何か大きなことが起きてるから調査に来たってことか。確かにそう考えると納得だね。普通くん+10
harshety
Is there no proper investigation, trial or such? That coming to conclusion immediately is just insane, man I seriously not liking knights moralis as any sort of protectors of magic, but they sound like gestapo like shit!
この展開、ちゃんとした調査や裁判もなしに即断即決ってマジで狂ってるよな。騎士モラリスの魔法の守護者としての姿勢、全然納得いかないわ。むしろゲシュタポみたいな連中にしか見えないんだが。考察くん+10
Megakruemel
Unchecked power is a pretty serious topic that I hope the author can handle with the seriousness it deserves. With how authoritarian magic and the rules around it is in this setting, I really hope the Brimmed Hats aren't just the bad guys to be defeated without actually addressing the core issues of this setting, once they are gone (or whatever the long term plan is here).
せやな、無制限の権力ってガチで重いテーマやわ。作者がちゃんと真面目に描いてくれることを祈るわ。この世界観の魔術とルールの権威主義っぷり見てると、とんがり帽子共が単なる倒すべき悪役で終わらんで、根っこの問題にメス入れてほしいンゴ。連中がいなくなった後(長期計画がどうあれ)の話も含めてな。2ちゃん+9
RaidenXYae
Qifrey gonna come in with a spin kick next episode lmao
次回、キーフリーが回し蹴りしてきそうで草普通くん+9
Cheesemacher
I was waiting for Agott to do something reckless and get someone killed. But then Quirfrey and Olruggio fixed everything without issue. How odd... Then things went to shit again! Here we go! Oh, Agott did the responsible thing and everything turned out fine... And then that twist at the end. This show likes to keep you on your toes.
アゴットが無茶して誰かを死なせる展開を予想してたんだが、キーフリーとオルジオがあっさり解決して拍子抜け。しかしまたすぐ事態が悪化!よし来た!と思いきや、今度はアゴットが責任持った行動で丸く収まった…。 そしてラストのあの急展開。この作品は常に視聴者を油断させない構成だな。伏線の張り方と回収のバランスが絶妙で、制作陣の計算された演出が光る。考察くん+7
ShadowGuyinRealLife
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I was afraid Agott would be stupid and try to do something to prove herself. She didn't do anything until she needed to so Qifery should be proud of her. I guess I shouldn't have doubted her given that she was supposed to be a by-the-book person. I guess Coco should have just moved the boulder with magic instead of splitting it. I'm glad Agott's spell inspired her. I can see why Qifrey has a low opinion of the Knights Moralis. Those guys have the mindset of the Inquisition. you have a problem when your main organization to enforcing your own rules are abusing their power right off the bat. If there is *any* saving grace to them the fact that everything is turning to sand does make Coco look a bit suspicious.
アゴットが馬鹿な真似して自分を証明しようとしないか心配だったけど、必要な時まで何もしなかったからキーフリーも誇りに思うだろうな。ルールに従うタイプって言われてたし、疑って悪かったよ。 ココは岩を割るんじゃなくて魔法で動かせばよかったんじゃないかな。でもアゴットの呪文が彼女のインスピレーションになったのは良かった。 キーフリーが騎士モラリスを低く評価する理由もわかるよ。あいつらは異端審問みたいな考え方だもん。ルールを執行するための組織が最初から権力乱用してたら問題だよ。唯一の救いは、全部が砂になってることがココを怪しく見せてることくらいか。普通くん+8
Equivalent-Mine5562
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The sound effects in this show is so good. For panels to come alive sound effects are vital and the show just aces it. Anime just hammered home how scary the whole situation was. Coco keeps being the adorable out of box thinker that we love and this time assisted by Agott and bonus points for Agot letting coco hug her🥺. We get more insight into Agott. I have to praise the English dub of the show, it's so well done. The dub imo does not try to translate the dialogue one to one but it actually adds it's own interpretation which I respect a lot. What a banging adaptation
このアニメのSE(効果音)ガチで優秀やな。漫画のコマを動かすには音が命やけど、完全にやり切ってるわ。アニメでどれだけ状況がヤバいか思い知らされたわ。 ココは相変わらず可愛い変人思考でワイらを魅了しとる。しかも今回アゴットがサポートして、ココにハグさせてやるシーンでポイント稼ぎすぎやろ🥺。アゴットの内面ももっと掘り下げられてるし。 あと英語吹き替え版も褒めたいわ。マジで出来がいい。直訳せずに独自の解釈を入れてるのがワイはめっちゃ評価する。 ほんまに神アニメ化やわ。2ちゃん+8
SciFiXhi
Custas clearly went to the Leon Tao school of danger avoidance. How did Coco's spell do that though? She seems to have a good memory for the spell seals she's seen, and I would think a simple localized pulverizing would be drawn much differently from what appears to be a mass erosion field.
カスタスは明らかに危険回避に関してはレオン・タオ派だね。 でもココの魔法ってどうやってあんな効果を出したんだろう?彼女は見た魔法印をよく覚えてるみたいだけど、単純な局所粉砕とあの広範囲侵食フィールドじゃ描き方も全然違うはずだと思うんだけどな。普通くん+8
Edymnion
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**Having absolutely no knowledge of the manga at all and just theorizing:** It would seem the Knights Moralis are in league with the Brimmed Caps. They rolled in, asked basically no questions, and went straight to punishments and mind wipes. That isn't the actions of a group interested in finding the truth, quite the opposite. That's someone who is afraid of the truth getting out. If they wanted to catch the Brimmed Caps, they would be taking prisoners and doing interrogations, not mind wiping everyone the instant they even suspect involvement. The only reason to mind wipe like this would be if you were working for the big bads who were secretly in charge of far more than they're supposed to be, and you were trying to silence bumbling minions before they could out their masters. They don't ask questions because they already know what the answers are, and don't want those answers being said out loud.
**原作全く知らん勢の考察やけど:** 騎士モラリス、ブリムドキャップとグルなんちゃうか 乗り込んできて質問もそこそこに即罰則&記憶消し 真相究明に興味ある集団の行動じゃないンゴ…むしろ真実がバレるの怖がってるやん ブリムドキャップ捕まえたいなら尋問するやろ普通 関与疑った瞬間に全員記憶消すってのは、裏で糸引いてる大ボスに仕えてて、下っ端が口滑らす前に黙らせてるだけやで 質問しないのは答えを既に知ってて、それを口に出させたくないからやな2ちゃん+6
Narvalis
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Anybody else notice how Qifrey is never around when things go sideways? Is he that good at keeping things in check or is his timing just that bad? Like where did he go in the wand shop? was he waiting near Coco's house for things to go badly? I want to say he has a reason this time but a bird shaped flare was in the sky for a while and he should have had more then enough time to return. So the magic police are erase first ask questions never? With investigation skills like that I'm having a hard time understanding how they haven't caught the brimmed hats yet. It's not like asking someone HOW they learned forbidden magic could help catch people teaching it. The way they run things open cases aren't a thing because they just find the quickest suspect and make them the culprit.
キーフリーの不在のタイミング、確かに気になるな。杖屋でどこに行ってたんだろう?あの鳥型の合図も長時間空に上がってたわけで、戻る時間は十分にあったはずだ。もしかすると彼は意図的にココの家の近くで待機してて、事態が悪化するのを予期してた可能性もある。そう考えると、彼の行動にはもっと深い理由があるのかもしれない。 魔法警察のやり方は「まず消去、質問は後回し」って感じだよな。あの捜査能力じゃ、なぜ未だにブリムハットを取り締まれないのか理解に苦しむ。誰かに禁断魔法の教え方を聞くだけで、教えてる本人を捕まえられるわけないのに。彼らのやり方だと、未解決事件なんて存在しないんだろうな。だって一番手っ取り早い容疑者を見つけて、即犯人に仕立て上げるだけだから。考察くん+9
Fools_Requiem
Well, nice to see the witch leaders are rational and know to do proper investigating...
やばくね!?魔女たちのリーダーがちゃんと合理的で、ちゃんと調査しようとしてるのいいじゃん!ギャル+9
Volfaer
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Okay things escalated, I really thought they would just save the people stuck in the flood, but leaving Agott and Coco alone right before Custas (oh Custas) does a really dumb thing. I'm happy Agott is warming up to Coco, her light bird was crucial for this episode, and Coco is getting really better on magic. Their little gushing at receiving some compliments was adorable. Man the Knights really go "memory wipe first ask questions later" (that doesn't work tho, they just forgot), I guess the brimmed caps are just that dangerous. Still that is just really bad policing.
状況が急展開だな。てっきり洪水に閉じ込められた人たちを助けるだけかと思ってたけど、アガットとココを残してカスタス(ああカスタス…)が本当にバカなことしようとしてる。 アガットがココに心開いてきてるのは嬉しいな。今回、光の鳥が重要だったし、ココも魔法かなり上手くなってるよ。ちょっと褒められただけで照れてる2人が可愛かった。 騎士団、マジで「記憶消去が先、質問は後」って感じだな(でも効いてないけど、忘れてるだけ)。やっぽりツバあり帽はそんなに危険なんだろう。でもさすがに警察としてひどすぎるだろ。普通くん+8
ParasaurolophusZ
If this is how the Knights Moralis act, no wonder they haven't caught any brimmed witches. They make snap assumptions and erase all evidence before actually investigating. Seems like a really incompetent group of law-keepers, either by ignorance or by design.
この騎士団の行動見てると、ブリム付き魔女が捕まらんのも納得やわ。ちゃんと調べもせずに決めつけて証拠隠滅してるやん。無能にもほどがあるわ、意図的か単にバカかどっちかやろな。2ちゃん+8
TeaAndLifting
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This has been on my radar for a good while now, but I've only binged watched all the episodes last night and this morning. The character animation is absolutely gorgeous, some of the best I've seen in a good while. I forget which episode it was, maybe four or five, where you see Coco press down harder on the piece of paper while drawing one of the sigils, or the hair flicks. It's stunning, really. I finished this episode and had to read a couple of dozen chapters of the manga, because I could not wait to see what happens on a cliffhanger week.
このアニメはずっと気になってたんだけど、昨夜から今朝にかけて一気見しちゃったよ。 キャラクターの作画がめちゃくちゃ綺麗で、最近見た中でもトップクラスだと思う。何話だったか忘れたけど、たぶん4話か5話で、ココが紙に印を描くときに強く押し込んだり、髪の毛の動きとかが本当に美しかった。衝撃的だったわ。 最終話見終わった後、続きが気になりすぎて何十話も漫画読んじゃったよ。毎週のクリフハンガーが待てなくてね。普通くん+7
jasta85
One thing I'm confused about, in Agott's quick flashback she was looked down on for not having much magic. I thought spells were just drawing magic circles using magic ink and the power of the spells is in the size and complexity of the circles. Do witches have some additional magic mana/energy themselves that they use in addition to the circles?
アゴットの回想シーンで「魔力が足りない」って言われてたの気になったンゴwww 魔法陣の大きさや複雑さで威力決まるんちゃうの?魔女自身にも魔力みたいなもんがあって、それも使ってるってことなんか?2ちゃん+9
Equivalent-Weather59
I think they are probably referring to creative thinking. Agott seems to be skilled with the pen, but doesn't come up with many creative solutions or spells, unlike someone like Coco.
確かにそれな!アガットは技術はあるけど、ココみたいな自由な発想とかクリエイティブな解決策がパッと出てこないってことかもね〜。やばくね!?ギャル+13
cyberscythe
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i like to think about it like manga artists; some have really good draftsmanship and can draw amazing stuff, some have really good story ideas and can dream up interesting and unique visuals, rarely you can get someone who excels at both it seems like Agott wasn't that skilled at draftsmanship at the time and so practiced that a lot, but she's neglected the "inspiration" part of her studies in her fervor
確かにそれな。漫画家で例えるなら分かりやすいわ。 「画力は高いけどストーリー力はイマイチな奴」と「発想は天才だけど画力が追いついてない奴」がいて、両方兼ね備えてるのは稀やろ。 アガットは当時、画力が足りてなかったからそこを重点的に鍛えてたんやろうけど、その過程で「発想力」の部分がおろそかになってたって感じか。 ワイも勉強になるわ。2ちゃん+8
jardex22
I think it's more about creative thinking and creating spells. Agott is book smart. She's read a lot and and memorized a lot of spells, but isn't able to modify the seals for different purposes. It's also likely that the people in her flashback just had impossibly high standards that only a prodigy could reach.
確かにアゴットは本で覚えた知識はすごいけど、印を自分流にアレンジするのが苦手なんだろうね。フラッシュバックの周りの人たちも、天才じゃないと満足しないレベルの高さだったのかも。普通くん+15
SmokemelikeRibs
Looks lets face it. Any magic that involves alteration of minds is WAY more illegal and morally bankrupt than any other school of magic. its almost as bad as necromancy, possibly even worse. Brimmed hat Witches gang forever \*casts testicular torsion on knights of moralis with sorcery points for subtle spell metamagic\*
確かに、精神操作系の魔法は他のどの系統よりも倫理的にも法的にもグレーゾーンを通り越してるよな。ネクロマンシーと同レベル、下手したらそれ以上に危険な領域だと思う。つくづく、とんがり帽子魔女こそ正義だな。*変性魔法でモラリスト騎士団に陰湿な呪いをかける*考察くん+6
CodingTangents
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Just in context, I feel like the Knights Moralis deserve a bit more credit than they are being given in this comment thread. They received report of a giant water column, they went to check it out, and there, they see a person who has already had a track record of petrifying a house also having just terraformed a riverbed into sand and possibly having sent up that pillar of water ( they were not there for Qifrey using the sword ), which no apprentice should be able to do without forbidden magic. As far as they know, she's just casually doing forbidden magic all the time, even in front of outsiders because neither of them passed the second test, and they don't necessarily know if she has any leads. A brimmed hat is not an organization; it's literally any witch that does forbidden magic. Their job is to erase the memories of brimmed hats, and if they see a ten year old, they are not going to imagine she is affiliated with some larger brimmed hat group that should be interrogated. She's just an outsider that learned magic and started abusing it, which is the natural conclusion to make. What are you going to ask a child? "Where are the other brimmed hats?" She's ten years old, hardly top-secret operative material. To them, she could just be a rogue outsider, given a bit too much leeway, that learned magic and is now causing natural disasters, in which case the only thing to do is erase her memories. Even she doesn't know any brimmed hat members or where to find them. We, the audience, know Coco is special and innocent but her actions look exactly like an outsider who entered the magical world without having been indoctrinated on the responsibility and values of the magical world, and how coincidental that three large-scale disasters happened with her at the centerpiece of it within what, a month?
確かにモラリス騎士団にもっと評価があっていいと思う。彼らから見れば、すでに家を石化させた前科がある子が川底を砂に変えて水柱まで起こしてるんだぜ。禁術使ってるのは明らかだし、見習いが普通にできることじゃない。第二試験も落ちてるから手がかりがあるかもわからない。つば広帽は組織じゃなくて禁術使う魔女全般を指すし、10歳の子供に「他のつば広帽はどこだ?」って聞いても無意味だろ。観客の俺らはココが特別で無実だと知ってるけど、彼女の行動はまさに魔法界の責任を教わってない部外者が引き起こす大災害そのものなんだよな。しかも1ヶ月以内に3件も。普通くん+7
S627
REALLY hope Coco didnt do a dumb and used a loop without a termination clause. Wonder if Qifrey is going to be able to smooth things over, or if everyone is gonna turn into fugitives.
草、ココがループに終了条件付けずに使ってたらマジでアホやんwww キーフリーがなんとか丸く収めるのか、それとも全員逃亡者コース突入か、そこが気になるンゴねェ…2ちゃん+6
nikobans
WELP! the fun police are here!
あらら!楽しみをぶち壊すやつが来ちゃったよ!感情くん+6
ARES_GOD
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Custas has to be the dumbest character in the series so far lol ? Gets saved from a very dangerous situation proceeds to make it even more dangerous lol. Coco and Agott dynamics were great in this episode and I really like how Coco's energy is slowly affecting Agott. And speaking of Agott we get some glimpes into her and whatever happened in her past to make it so driven or better wored obsessed with proving herself. Coco and Agott work together to save Custas and we get some great scenes and also important world/magic building especially having to draw under your cloak I really liked that. But then the insane cliffhanger with Easthies "Fuck Them Kids" Knights Moralis coming in grabbing both Agott and Coco to question them thinking they are working with the Brimmed Caps. Now I dont know if Coco made the entire river and suroundings into sand by mistake with the spell casting or the brimmped caps set her up and this situation ? But no the episode ended next week cant come soon enough. I have a video review if anyone is interested. Thank You.
コメント翻訳: カスタス、シリーズで一番のバカだわw 危ない状況から助けられたのにさらに危険にしちゃうとかw ココとアゴットの掛け合いは今回も良かったな。ココの元気がアゴットに少しずつ影響してる感じがいいよね。 アゴットの過去がちょっとだけ見えたのも良い。なんであんなに自分を証明することに執着してるのか気になる。 ココとアゴットが協力してカスタスを救うシーンは良かった。マントの下で描くって設定も世界観に深みが出てて好き。 でも最後のイーストリーズの「クソガキども」騎士モラリスが二人を連行する展開はやばい。ブリムドキャップと協力してると思われてるのか。 ココが川全体を砂に変えたのか、ブリムドキャップの罠なのか分かんないけど、とにかく来週が待ちきれない。 (動画レビューあります。興味あればどうぞ。ありがとう。)普通くん+6
Lazy_Wit
Another banger episode
また神回すぎるッ!優勝!!感情くん+5
Sullan08
Dumbass kid gets saved and 5 minutes later does the dumbest shit again lol. Great show, but that seemed really forced to further the plot.
バカなガキが助けられたのに5分後にはまたバカなことしてるの笑った。いいアニメだけど、あれはストーリー進めるために無理やり感あったな普通くん+6
FoolingFinality
So the gift given by the 1 eye hat guy, was some kind of AOE transmutation spell, or some kind of multiplier buff.... but this did not take place in front of Qifrey in previous episode, so what? Any condition that the buff will apply only when she is alone, or more likely when someone do not see her forming the spell?
片目帽子男がくれたのは範囲変成魔法か倍率バフみたいなもんやな…でも前回キーフレイの前では発動しなかったンゴ。つまり条件ありなんか?一人の時だけ発動とか、誰かに呪文組んでるの見られてない時限定とかか?2ちゃん+6
tripleaamin
Wow, that is one cruel cliffhanger. Nice contrast between Coco and Agott, where Coco didn't hesitate to help Custas again. Granted clearly Agott has something from her past shackling her.
これは酷い引きだな。ココとアゴットの対比が良かったね。ココは迷わずカスタスを助けに行ったけど、アゴットには明らかに過去の何かが足かせになってる。普通くん+5
RoachIsCrying
Whoever the voice actors are , I just adore their accents on the English dub
英語吹き替えの声優誰か知らんけど、そのアクセントがガチでたまらんわwww2ちゃん+6
extralie
God fucking damn it, you can't end there! Waiting a whole week is going to be an agony!
まじかよ!ここで終わりとかやばすぎん!?次の話まで一週間とか無理なんだけど笑ギャル+7
thepeciguy
One of the implied reason is that Agott still didn't have her sylph shoes back from Coco so she can't fly. I know it's probably gonna be a sweet moment when Coco learns to draw the spell and give her shoes back, but I wonder why don't Agott have another pair of shoes, or just draw another one for herself lol.
ココがシルフの靴を返してないからアゴットが飛べない、というのが暗に示された理由の一つだよな。ココが魔法陣を描けるようになって靴を返すシーンは多分感動的になるんだろうけど、なんでアゴットは予備の靴を持ってないんだろうな、自分で描き直せばいいのにって思っちゃう(笑)考察くん+6
thepeciguy
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Hmm, I dont think so. I imagine it should be pretty basic levitation spell, If not she can definitely borrow to copy her friend's & Teacher's shoes if it's not on any textbook, Is there a patent on sylph shoe magic that you have to buy it? lol She just doesn't want to draw on her current normal shoe for whatever reason and prefer having them separate. Perhaps sylph shoes is made using special materials that help ink not getting rubbed off unless its wet???
うーん、そうは思わないな。たぶん基本的な浮遊魔法だと思うよ。教科書に載ってないなら、友達や先生の靴を借りてコピーすればいいし。シルフの靴の魔法に特許でもあって買わないといけないのか?w 何らかの理由で今の普通の靴に描きたくなくて、別々にしたいだけなんじゃないかな。もしかしたらシルフの靴は特殊な素材でできてて、濡れない限りインクが落ちないようになってるとか。普通くん+5
RyuzakiPL
Qifrey starting with saying "no" to the most experienced apprentice because it's still too dangerous only to allow all of them to go a minute later kinda shows he's probably not the best guardian in the history of the human race.
キーフリーが最初に最も経験豊富な弟子に「ダメだ」と言ったのに、たった1分後には全員を行かせてしまうのは、人類史上最高の保護者とは言えないかもしれないという考察ができる。この矛盾した行動から、彼の判断基準には一貫性が欠けている可能性が示唆されている。考察くん+6
jardex22
He said no partly because of procedure, I think. Agott probably needs to pass another test to be allowed for field work. As soon as Olly, someone meant to keep an eye on Qifrey's actions, gave his approval, then that removed the excuse. It was never really going to be too dangerous. Even if Qifrey had agreed, he likely would have assigned the same task of drying clothes to her.
「いや」って言ったのは手続き上の問題もあったんだと思う。アゴットは野外作業の許可を得るために、もう一つ試験をクリアする必要があったんだろうね。監視役のオリーが承認したことで、その言い訳が使えなくなったんだよ。 本当に危険すぎるってわけじゃなかったんだ。たとえキーフリーが承諾してたとしても、多分同じ洗濯物干しの仕事を任せてたと思う。普通くん+8
ptd163
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2D Horses, flora, and a sword that can split the ocean! This show is just so good. I figured if Agott was going the would the other three would go as well. Now we know why Agott is so desperate to prove herself. The adults in her life before she found herself at Qifrey's Atelier instilled an inferiority complex in her. This Adina person (that's who the subtitles labeled her as) is probably Agott's mother. You can say you're not friends all you want Agott, but Coco will get you eventually. I wonder why the Knights Moralis would have a problem with what Qifrey did or Coco's spell. Forbidden magic, as far as we've been told, are spells directly on or affecting the human body which neither Qifrey nor Coco did. There's something we're not being told. Maybe Coco has some kind of hidden power. Maybe magical weapons are forbidden. Gah that cliffhanger. Being forced to a week for it's resolution is criminal because there's no way they actually take her memories.
2Dの馬とか植物とか海割る剣とか!このアニメガチで面白いンゴwww アゴットが行くなら他の3人も行くと思ったわ。んでアゴットが必死に自分を証明したがってる理由がわかった。キーフレイのアトリエに来る前の大人たちがコンプレックス植え付けてたんやな。字幕で"アディーナ"って出てた奴は多分アゴットの母親やろ。友達じゃないって言い張るのは勝手やけど、ココがいずれ懐かせるで。 騎士モラリスがキーフレイの行動とかココの魔法に難色示す理由が謎やわ。禁術って人体に直接作用する魔法って説明あったけど、どっちも該当せんやん。 なんか隠されてる情報ありそうやな。ココに隠された力があるとか、魔法武器そのものが禁止とか。 あーもう引きがひどいわ。解決まで一週間待たされるの犯罪やろ。絶対記憶消されたりせんやろけどな。2ちゃん+6
lawragatajar
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I thought the big conflict was that the kid or someone would see how the spell was done, but instead it was a bigger than expected effect. Hopefully we are given some explanation. At least now we see why Agott was trying so hard to draw spells with her eyes closed. You are expected to do so if you want to cast in public. Olruggio really spelled it out right away though. Agott is rushing to advance, but what does she think magic is for? Coco is the one that seems to be grounding her.
大きな対立は子供か誰かが呪文の仕組みを見ちゃうことかと思ったけど、予想以上に派手な効果だったな。ちゃんと説明あるといいね。 アゴットが目を閉じて呪文を描く練習してた理由がようやく分かった。公共の場で魔法を使うならそれが求められるんだな。オルルジオがすぐにそれを指摘してたけど。アゴットは急いで上達しようとしてるけど、彼女にとって魔法の目的って何なんだろう。ココが彼女を地に足つけさせてる感じがする。普通くん+7
Thomas_JCG
Humbling pill, take 1 a day until you learn your lesson. Agott at least is fixable, the Knight Moralis, on the other hand... Qifrey was right in not taking any chances with those guys. I get it that the pact must be preserved, but they are more like zealots.
確かにこの描写は考えさせられるな。Agottはまだ修正可能だが、Knight Moralis連中は別だ。Qifreyが彼らと一切の妥協をしなかった判断は正しかったと思われる。確かに「誓約」を守らねばならないのは理解できるが、彼らはどちらかというと狂信者に近い存在だという考察ができる。制作陣は宗教的過激主義の危険性を、この組織を通じて描きたかったんだろうな。考察くん+6
Raymond49090
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I’m so proud of Agott this episode. Even with the adults pressuring her and her own pride wanting her to solve things, she was still able to keep a level enough head to trust things to Coco. … you know, I was wondering how they managed to keep the secret of magic when a single loose lip sinks ships, but I guess the answer is for memory wipers to be incredibly trigger happy. Man, Qifrey-sensei really can’t leave them alone for even a few minutes. Also, I wonder if the overpowered spell is a weird trait of Coco’s, someone sneaking the wrong formula into her lessons, a mistake, or a Brimmed Hat stalker.
アゴットマジで成長したンゴね……周りの大人からのプレッシャーとか自分のプライドでなんとかしたくても、ちゃんと冷静さ保ってココに任せたのガチで偉いわ そういや魔法の秘密ってどうやって守ってるんやろって思ってたけど、どうやら記憶消しがガンガン飛ばすスタイルみたいやな。キーフリー先生、ちょっと目離したらすぐこれやんwww あとココのバケモンみたいな魔法、あれ個体差なんか、誰かが間違ったレシピ教えたんか、それともツバ広帽のストーカーが絡んでるんか……気になりすぎるンゴ2ちゃん+6
BigBlight
Coolest sword I’ve seen in a while
やばっ!この剣、最近見た中で一番かっこよくない!?ギャル+6
Dangerous_Stretch_67
Love how they built up to this episode by showing Agott practice drawing circles with her eyes closed a lot. Makes perfect sense now that they would need to hide their drawings in their robes.
アゴットが目を閉じて丸を描く練習をたくさん見せてたのが、この回への伏線になってて好きだな。ローブの中に絵を隠す必要があるって、今見るとすごく納得できるね。普通くん+6
fsfaith
Dishing out punishment before saving the people in peril is certainly a statement.
危ない人助ける前に罰を与えるって、確かに主張は強いなw2ちゃん+6
VoidRay728
God damn it Custas.
くそっ、カスタスめ。普通くん+5
HeavyBluebird6495
If there are someone ask me who is main villain in WHA. I will answer Easthies. 😂
誰かに「WHAのメインヴィランって誰?」って聞かれたら、俺は迷わずイーシーズって答えるわ😂感情くん+7
NationalStrategy
Custas was an idiot kid, he not only put himself right back into danger for a lute and put himself in a situation where he has to get rescued again, but he also put Coco in danger too. SMH
カスタスってほんとバカなガキだよな。リュートのためにまた危険に飛び込んで、しかもココまで危険に巻き込んでるし。あきれるわ。普通くん+5
Burnouts3s3
"Well, that Escalated Quickly" The episode.
「いや急展開すぎやろwww」って回やったな。2ちゃん+6
tapdancinghellspawn
The Knights Moralis remind me of the Wardens of the White Council from the Dresden files. Kill first, ask questions never. I'm wondering how Qifrey and Olruggio will save Coco and Agott. Seven days is far too long to wait to see how this is resolved.
『騎士モラリス』、まさにドレスデン・ファイルの白評議会の監視者たちを彷彿とさせるな。問答無用で排除する姿勢が完全に一致している。 キーフリとオルジオがココとアガットをどう救出するか、考察が捗るな。7日間も待つのは長すぎるが、制作陣がこの猶予期間にどんな伏線を仕込んでいるのか考えると興味深い。考察くん+5
mucklaenthusiast
Well, I wonder how that happened. What did Coco do? How did the spell change? Or was it always like that? Let's hope the two actual witches are back soon.
どうなってんだこれ…ココが何やったんだ?魔法が変わったのか?それとも最初からそうだったのか?頼むから本物の魔女2人、早く戻ってきてくれ〜ッ!感情くん+6
arsenejoestar
Qifrey the Responsibility Bender and Olruggio the Unwatchful Eye
キーフリーはマジで責任感強すぎじゃない!?笑 オルルジオは目はあるけど見てないって感じでやばくね?ギャル+6
YlfaTheForsaken
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Coco is so funny, those shoes are never going to reinked at this rate. It'd be way faster to just hand them back to Agott, so she could do it herself like it wore away like it eventually would've.  Agott is hilarious too, I'm so curious like what did she think she was going to do? She put the cart before the horse there. Also she needs Coco like a lot more than she's willing to admit. Desperate for that 'good job' Speaking of horsies, those horses can't be unicorns because of the three horns very rhinoceros esque, the triceratops of horsies, Robes are hidey-holes You know, now that I've seen Custas's dad panicking, he's pretty dilfy Knights moralis captain guy too, mmm, guess I'm in a mood. Anyways creepy little amulet, with its little fingeries handies, not sure how Coco will get out of this one without things veering waaaaay off course
ココ面白すぎるな、あの靴このままじゃ絶対にインク補充終わらねえだろ。アゴットに返して自分でやらせた方が早かったんじゃね?どうせそのうちすり減るし。 アゴットも笑えるわ、何するつもりだったんだろうな。順番間違えてるよね。それにココのこと認めたくないけどめっちゃ必要としてて、「よくできました」って言われたくて必死な感じがする。 馬の話だけど、角が3本あるからユニコーンじゃなくてサイっぽいな。馬版トリケラトプスみたいな。 ローブは隠れ家だな。 カスタスの父ちゃんパニックってるの見たら結構イケオジだったわ。 騎士道隊長もな、うーん、今日はそんな気分なのかも。とにかく不気味な小さなお守り、指がついててさ。ココがどうやってこれから大きく道を外れずに切り抜けるのか想像つかないな。普通くん+6
daspaceasians
What a ride. We had Agott learning lessons, Olruggio and Qifrey being badasses, a pair of dramatic rescue and now Coco's at risk of getting mindwiped by the authorities. No wonder why Qifrey didn't want the knights to know what was going on with his adopted daughters.
いや本当に凄い回だったな。アゴットが学びを得て、オルジオとキーフリーが大暴れ、劇的な救出劇が二連続で、そして今度はココが当局に記憶を消される危機。なるほど、キーフリーが養女たちの事情を騎士団に知られたがらなかった理由がよく分かる。これは1話からの伏線が回収されつつあると考察できる。考察くん+5
Googleflax
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I know they emphasized how strict the Knights are, but it seems genuinely stupid that they glance at a situation and immediately obliviate the presumed culprit without any amount of questioning. Even ignoring the very likely fact that the target may be innocent, even if they *are* guilty, they should be questioned to get more information on the Brimmed Caps. They just seems stupidly fast to obliviate people, even if you ignore morality.
確かに騎士団の厳しさは強調されてたけど、状況を一目見て即座に記憶を消すのは頭悪すぎるよな。相手が無実かもしれないのはもちろん、仮に有罪でもブリムドキャップの情報を得るために尋問すべきだし。道徳抜きにしても、消す判断が早すぎてバカらしいわ。普通くん+5
zairaner
Hey they didn't assume! They were very mentally flexible, they could have accepted either agott or coco having drawn the spell, so they asked!
確かに!彼ら全然決めつけてないじゃん!柔軟すぎてどっちが描いたか聞いてるだけじゃん!まじでそこは叩かなくていいとこだと思うんだけど笑ギャル+8
HolyDragSwd2500
MIZU NO KOKYUU!!!!!!
MIZU NO KOKYUU!!!!!!(水の呼吸だ!!!)普通くん+5
abandoned_idol
"I hate water." Tanjiro, no!
水嫌いワロタwww 炭治郎、あかんやろ!2ちゃん+7
warjoke
Nobody expects the ~~Spanish Inquisition~~ Magic Police!
「誰もマジックポリス(魔法警察)を予想できないってばよ!」って感じッ!まさかの展開すぎて笑ったわwww感情くん+6
Ok_Refrigerator5421
I binged the whole 7 episodes today. I love these kinda stories. As for episode 7. Well just makes me curious is all. Can't wait for the next!
今日7話まとめて見ちゃったんだけど、まじでこういうストーリー好きすぎる! 7話はねー、めっちゃ気になる展開じゃん?次が待ちきれない!ギャル+5
SA090
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Damn what an end! I had a few episodes piled up and ending it on a cliffhanger when I catch up is just diabolical 😅 The scale of a supposed small spell being this huge is easily due to the contact between Coco and Brimmed Hat 2 episodes ago ans I can’t wait to see what else is in store. If something that small could end up with such a huge repercussion, a much bigger spell would probably be catastrophic.
うわめっちゃいい終わり方だった!何話か溜めてたんだけど、追いついたとこでまさかの続きが気になる終わり方とか鬼すぎる😅 2話前のココとブリムハットの接触で、小さい魔法がこんな大規模になるとは。あんな小さなことでこんな大影響が出るなら、もっと大きな魔法は壊滅的になりそうだし、続きが待ちきれないよ。普通くん+5
ShinobiZilla
Kitamura-san's work was shining through this episode. Can't help to say that things are escalating rather quickly. This show sure makes my Mondays wonderful.
北村さんの仕事が今回の話で光ってたわ。展開早すぎやろって思わん?草 このアニメのおかげで月曜日が楽しみになったンゴwww2ちゃん+5
agrael50
fuck that kid natural selection was telling us than that kid has to die, custas is too stupid to be alive, is like You were rescued from the train tracks only to go down like a fool to get your cell phone again and get trapped again.
あのガキはマジでクソだな。自然淘汰が「こいつは死ぬべきだ」って教えてるのに、カスタスは生きてるのがバカすぎる。まるで線路から救出されたのに、バカみたいにスマホ取りに戻ってまた閉じ込められるようなもんじゃん。普通くん+5
Anna-2204
If you let natural selection taking care of kids you have no kids left alive
「それな…でも言い過ぎだろw 自然淘汰で子ども全員死んだら人類終わるじゃんッ」感情くん+10
Ok-Wasabi-405
Dunno if it's me but crushing Coco's hope and trampling on her happiness made me rage!
ココの希望を粉々にしてお前の幸せを踏みにじるって、俺だけかもしれないけどめっちゃムカついたわ!普通くん+5
LonelyAstronaut984
damn if only the adults didn't leave the two apprentices alone
マジで大人たちがあの2人の弟子を放置しなきゃ良かったのに!やばくね!?ギャル+5
SYZekrom
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Oh? Looks like those enforcers or whatever the fuck caught wind of that splash Qifrey caused. Will they arrive just in time to see Agott doing something she shouldn't? Well looks like they solved everything already so at least it's not specifically Agott those guys will be targeting. ...Ok, interesting. I'm assuming this isn't just 'she accidentally misremembered/misdrew the rock breaker spell and used forbidden magic' with the way she denied that being the spell she drew, so ig something else is going on.
お?あの執行官どもがキーフリーの水しぶきを嗅ぎつけたみたいだな。アゴットがやらかすところにちょうど間に合うのか? いやもう全部解決してたから、少なくとも執行官たちがアゴットを直接狙うことはなさそうだな。 …なるほど、面白い。彼女が「描いたのはその魔法じゃない」って否定してた感じだと、単に岩石破壊の魔法を間違えて禁術を使っちゃったってだけじゃなさそうだな。何か別の事情がありそう。普通くん+5
Pyro_BBS
Other than the fact that those village people actually got distracted in that life or death situation by some glowing bird spell, which was so weird logically, solid episode. Didnt expect Agott to fold so easily under pressure tho.
あの村人たちが生死をかけた状況で光る鳥の魔法に気を取られるのは確かに論理的におかしい点だと思われる。だがそれを除けば、安定したエピソードだった。アゴットがあそこまで簡単にプレッシャーに屈するとは予想外だったな。考察くん+5
Raknel
They thought the bird was actually going to do something after Agott made a big deal out of summoning it, so I think it's fine they got distracted.
確かに、アゴットがあれだけ大げさに召喚したから、村人たちが鳥が何かすると思って気を取られるのは仕方ないよね。普通くん+9
Primary-Paint-1716
it's hilarious how much shit goes down when Qifrey leaves Coco. Dude is not qualified to be a guardian LOL.
キーフレイがココから離れた瞬間にめっちゃ事件起きまくるの笑えるんだけど!この人絶対保護者向いてなさすぎじゃね?wwギャル+5
jardex22
I'm guessing that he did see it, but Coco told him not to mention it to anyone. If not the rock spell, she drew a levitation sigil on the inside of her cloak. He would have seen her do that. It feels like a specific decision to not show Coco's actions down in the ravine, and it would be a missed opportunity to have another outsider see what magic really is.
あの時は確かに見てたんだけど、ココが誰にも言わないでって頼んだんだと思う。岩の魔法じゃなくて、彼女がマントの内側に浮遊の印を描いてたんだよ。それを見てたはず。 渓谷でのココの行動をわざと見せなかったのは意図的だよね。もう一人の部外者に魔法の真実を見せるチャンスを逃したのはもったいない。普通くん+5
jardex22
It likely has to do with the 'gift' the brimmed cap gave her right before Qifrey rescued her from the dragon's labyrinth. My guess would be a higher concentration of ink, or something that causes the spell to self replicate.
草、多分あの「ギフト」が関係してるンゴねぇ。キーフレイがドラゴンの迷宮から助ける直前に、とんがり帽子がCocoに与えたやつやろ。ワイの予想やと、インク濃度が高すぎるとか、呪文が自己複製する原因になる何かちゃうか?2ちゃん+8
jardex22
It was specifically stated in episode 2 that magic involving memory alteration was an exception to the rules about forbidden magic.
2話で明確に言ってたけど、記憶改変の魔法は禁術のルールの例外なんだよね。普通くん+17
BuckeyeBentley
Mind wiping in protection of the secret is the only magic permitted to be used on a person's body
「記憶消去で秘密を守るのって、人体に使える唯一の魔法なんだよな…」 しんどい。それってめっちゃ怖くない? でもそうしないと魔法の秘密バレちゃうもんね…エモすぎる設定ッ!感情くん+5