AutoLovepon+3221
カルンでの出会い
正式な弟子となったココに彼女専用の魔材を与えるため、キーフリーはココや弟子たちとカルンにある魔材屋「星の剣」へ買い物に出かける。その最中、ココは幼い頃に出会った“つばあり帽の魔法使い”の姿を見かけ...。
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Se7en_Sinner
Of course, the evil faction has the superior drip.
まじでありえなくね!?悪の組織のファッションセンスやばすぎじゃん!笑ギャル+1137
ali94127
Big hat = good witch design.
確かに。大いなる帽子こそ、良き魔女の証にござる。武士+542
AmusedDragon
It's just absolutely true. Who wants to hang with the dunce witches when these guys are around?
確かに真理を突いておる。我らが求めるは、ド派手な帽子を掲げし本物の魔女たちの集いのみ。あんな冴えぬ連中と語らうより、この道を選ぶが当然なのだ。中二病+178
ThrowCarp
EXPLOSION!!!!!
爆発だッ!!! それな、でっかい帽子ってだけで魔女っぽさ100倍になるよなッ! 優勝すぎる!感情くん+12
ScarletWiddaContent
just for the fashion restriction, ill turn evil
「ファッション制限のためだけに悪の道に進むわ」って言いたいんだね、わかるわかる。普通くん+12
platysoup
I know, right? Look at all these cool hats! Who would wear a silly cone instead?
確かに…闇の勢力こそが、究極の装いを手にする運命にあるのだ。見よ、この数多の魔導の帽子を!何故、誰があんな滑稽な三角など被るというのか?我が目には、愚か者の証にしか映らぬわ。中二病+387
Se7en_Sinner
The virgin dunce cap vs the chad brimmed hat.
確かに、とんがり帽子よりつば広帽の方がかっこいいよね。普通くん+512
HungryGull
The difference between a virgin and a chad is just a few inches of brim...
草ァ!差はツバの長さだけってかwww ワイは断然チャド派やな、ツバ長い方が格好いいンゴ2ちゃん+142
platysoup
And judging by the coneheads we've met so far, I have a feeling the real witches are not as bad guy as we think
確かに!今出てきたとんがり帽子組を見る限り、本物の魔女たちは思ってたより悪いやつじゃなさそうだよねッ!感情くん+13
kalirion
I have to wonder how those silly cones stay on - magic, straps we can't see, or the author simply not realizing that they would not be able to stay on on their own (my money's on the last one.)
確かに!あのとんがり帽子どうやって頭に留まってるんだろうね。魔法か、見えないヒモか、単に作者が物理的に無理って気づいてないか(俺は最後の説に賭ける)。普通くん+48
Katlima
原文
It's not as bad as it looks. Pointy hats are a thing in real life, for example with traditional dresses and costumes. The center of gravity is already close to the head, because that's how the weight is distributed in a cone, usually enhanced by that part also being thicker. Now, why they still stay on during flights through the air, which probably wouldn't work in real life, there's a simple solution for that: magic!
あのとんがり帽子がどうやって頭に留まっているのか気になるのは分かるが、実はそこまで不自然じゃないんだよな。現実の伝統衣装でもとんがり帽子は存在するし、重心は頭部付近にある。なぜなら円錐形の重量配分がそうなっていて、大抵はその部分が厚くなっているからだ。 空中を飛び回る時に落ちない理由については、現実的には難しいかもしれないが、簡単な解決策がある:魔法だ!考察くん+84
flybypost
Maybe negative pressure?
確かに、あのとんがり帽子がどうやって落ちないのか気になるよね。魔法か見えない紐か、あるいは作者が気にしてないだけか…負圧って可能性もありそうだね。普通くん+18
unga_bunga_mage
The same way a chef's hat stays on. Through 100% sheer concentrated willpower.
確かにそれな!笑 シェフ帽も絶対落ちそうなのに全然落ちないじゃん?つまり魔力じゃなくて"己の意思"ってことかw やばくねその理論!ギャル+8
Lenzky-3
top that off, that they genuinely use the COOOLEST fcking magics in the entire series.. is just icing on top of the cake.. their magic are literally aura farming + drip farming.
確かに!しかも彼らの魔法がシリーズ中でマジでカッコよすぎるんだよな…それだけで十分優勝なのに。魔法が完全にオーラ稼ぎ+ドリップ稼ぎになってて無理ッ!感情くん+8
platysoup
I know, right? Not allowed to draw spells on your skin? I'm totally doing the Constantine thing to cast spells.
それな!「肌に呪文を描いちゃダメ」って言われても、俺は完全にコンスタンティン方式で魔法詠唱するわ。普通くん+7
Zemahem
Hell yeah. Now those are *real* witch hats right there.
それな!あっちの魔女帽こそ本物すぎるッ!感情くん+297
goffer54
Before the anime started, the only thing I knew about this series was from the key visuals and trailers. And one thought kept surfacing every time I saw it: how could you name a series "Witch Hat Atelier" and then have the dumbest looking cone hats? Clearly, it's because the Brimmed Hats are the real heroes of the series and the show is just subverting expectations.
確かに。アニメ始まる前、俺がこのシリーズについて知ってたのってキービジュアルと予告編だけだったんだけど、見るたびに思ってたんだよ。「とんがり帽子のアトリエ」ってタイトルなのに、なんであんなダサい円錐形の帽子なんだ?って。つまり、つば広帽子こそが真のヒーローで、この作品は期待を裏切ってるってことだよね。普通くん+250
Clockwork_Platypus
原文
It's worth noting that the English title is not a direct translation of the Japanese title. That would more literally be "Pointy Hat Atelier". Kinda unrelated, but I also found it interesting that they use the word witch as a translation for mahoutsukai here, when I've much more frequently seen it translated as mage or even just magic user. My assumption is that they decided on the name of the show first, then decided to use the word witch throughout to be consistent with that.
せやな、英題が原題の直訳じゃないってのはワイも気づいたわ。 「とんがり帽子のアトリエ」をそのまま訳すと「Pointy Hat Atelier」って感じやな。 あと関係ないけど、魔法使いを「witch」って訳してるの珍しいよな。 普通mageとかmagic userって訳す方が多いのに。 多分タイトルを先に決めて、それに合わせて劇中もwitchで統一したんやろな。2ちゃん+113
Druplesnubb
The English title actually comes form Shirahama herself (she actually picked "Atelier of Witch Hat" but some Englsih-speaking editor/translator changed it to "Witch Hat Atelier").
確かにw 英語タイトルは白浜先生本人が関わってたのか、知らんかったわw "Atelier of Witch Hat"から"Witch Hat Atelier"に変わった経緯も草wwwおじ+94
zairaner
Atelier of witch hat is what's written on the japanese volume covers
「とんがり帽子のアトリエ」って日本語のタイトルそのままじゃないんだね。英語版は"Atelier of Witch Hat"って書いてあるのか。なるほど、そういう違いがあるのか〜。感情くん+7
cyberscythe
> the dumbest looking cone hats they're practically dunce caps; without knowing how the story goes it could either be a self-admission of humility that's built into their outfit, or they're stupid and don't realize it
>> あのアホみたいな三角帽子な 実質ドジっ子帽子やんけ。話知らんと見たら、あれ自虐で身に付けてるのか、それともガチでバカなんかどっちかやろなwww2ちゃん+105
ihileath
> a self-admission of humility that's built into their outfit Qifrey outright calls them a shackle at the end of the last episode.
「それな!服に組み込まれた謙虚さって感じじゃん?」 「てか最終話でキーフレイがまさに『枷』って言ってたのやばくね!?笑」ギャル+55
goffer54
> or they're stupid and don't realize it Hence the dunce caps
同意w つまりバカの象徴ってことかよwww まじでとんがり帽子はアホっぽいよな笑wwwおじ+16
AMagicCatfish
Honestly, it doesn't even feel like a subversion. So far the cone hat witches have come across as a bunch of assholes and I'm already waiting to find out the Brimmed Hats aren't even evil but just a group being persecuted by the Dunce Cap Inquisition for liking magic too much or something.
確かに、まだ序盤だけど三角帽子の魔女たちがクソすぎて、つば広帽子が実は迫害されてるだけの普通の連中なんじゃないかって思えてきたわ。普通くん+7
L-System
It seems like a pretty straightforward, hoard magic for yourself vs magic is for everyone set up. I suspect they'll only show bad brimmed witches for the first few seasons before the inevitable twist that no faction is truly good or bad.
同意。この対立構造は「魔法を独占するか、万人に開くか」というかなりストレートな構図だと思われる。序盤はつば広帽の魔女たちの悪い面ばかり強調されるだろうが、いずれ「どちらの陣営も絶対的な善悪ではない」というどんでん返しが来ると予想する。考察くん+11
socialistRanter
Brimhat fashion is just peak
それな。ブリムハットのファッションはマジで最高だよね。普通くん+145
Lenzky-3
I think it's a requirement.. if you ain't got no drip you ain't part of the trip.
それな!ドリップない奴は旅に参加できねぇ、ってかそれが必須条件すぎるッ!感情くん+22
koteshima2nd
Cool ass hats with cool ass masks, get me some of those forbidden magic in my veins
確かに、悪の組織の装備はいつもカッコいいもんな。あの帽子とマスク、めちゃくちゃクールだし、禁断魔法も俺に注入してほしいわ。普通くん+116
Syokhan
The eyeball guy though, he needs to step up his brim game because that little thing looks ridiculous compared to the magnificent brims in this picture.
確かに!でもあの目玉男の帽子のつば、小さすぎじゃない?この絵の壮大なつばたちと比べるとマジでダサすぎるッ!感情くん+108
TheDoctorHam
Ah but eye-mask witch substitutes a brim for a sick af eyeball mask reminiscent of Zelda.
確かに、でも眼帯魔女はつばの代わりにゼルダみたいなカッコいい眼球マスクつけてるじゃん。普通くん+109
Le_Nabs
The first thought that came to my mind was the Crest of the Sheikah, too
確かに!それな!シェイカーの紋章思い浮かべたの俺だけじゃなかったんだなッ!エモすぎる!感情くん+25
cyberscythe
maybe it's because she's the first one they've encountered, and the power-scaling works where the larger the brim, the more powerful the witch does the final arc take place at the Kentucky Derby??
確かに、もしかしたら彼女が初めて遭遇した魔女で、つばが大きいほど強力っていうパワーバランスなのかもね 最終章はケンタッキーダービーで展開されるの?普通くん+41
flybypost
Or that's the undercover hat with a vestigial brim to not draw attention to itself.
それな!てかその説、めっちゃアリじゃん?笑 わざとつばを小さくして目立たないようにしてるってことね~。やばくね?ギャル+14
Syokhan
> Kentucky Derby Oh boy, the witch world could not handle those power levels.
確かに、ケンタッキーダービーの魔力は魔法界じゃ扱いきれないね。普通くん+10
No_Name0_0
Fr, these normie witches need some diversity with their caps
それな!普通の魔女たち、帽子のバリエーションなさすぎてダサいッ!感情くん+79
Raknel
Maybe the Brimmed Caps aren't even evil, they just got banished for mogging the others with their drip too hard
まあ、ツバ広帽が悪ってわけじゃないんだろうな。ただ単にファッションで他の連中を圧倒しすぎて追放されただけだろ。ドライおじ+59
AceSoldia
Also the fact that they all wear masks easily means anyone of the witches could secretly be a brimmed hat...so I love that extra intrigue
確かに、悪の組織のファッションはいつも最高だよな。 それに全員が仮面をかぶってるから、どの魔女が実はつば広帽子の仲間か分からないっていうミステリー要素も好き。普通くん+81
BosuW
Imagine if they even got a voice changing spell
ふむ…仮に声を変える魔法まであるとなれば、いよいよ正体を見破るのは至難の業でござるな。これは戦が面白くなるぞ。武士+28
AceSoldia
Maybe change face spell too
せやな、顔変える魔法もあれば完璧やんwww2ちゃん+7
jldugger
Well, this would explain why Qifrey has had less success than his dumb ass apprenctices at locating brimmed hats. Has anyone seen Qifrey and Eyeball Mask Witch at the same time?
確かにそれな。それ説明つくわ。キーフリーがバカ弟子たちよりブリムドハット見つけるの下手な理由も。誰かキーフリーと目玉マスク魔女が同時にいるの見たことある?普通くん+10
Sneeakie
If evil, why cool?
せやな、悪側の方が絶対カッコええやん 「悪いならなんでカッコいいんだよ」って草2ちゃん+58
Falsus
I am joining the brim caps for sure, don't need to sell me on their ideology just give me their drip. In fact, it's better if they don't sell me on it!
確かに、悪役陣営のほうがダサい服装してるのは間違いないね。俺は絶対つば広帽派に入るわ、思想とかどうでもいいからあの服装くれ。むしろ思想を売り込まれない方が助かるわ!普通くん+47
flybypost
They got better hats and more magic (all the "forbidden" spells). Their cuisine, music, and movies are probably better too.
同意!ツバ広帽派の帽子、めっちゃかっこいいじゃん!しかも禁術含めて魔法も豊富だし、料理や音楽、映画も絶対そっちの方がいいと思うんだけど笑ギャル+30
Galinhooo
The other faction is using a little girl's mistake as bait for them, I am unsure who really is the evil one there, probably both.
「他の勢力、小さな女の子のミスを餌にしてるのやばすぎない!?どっちが悪役か分からんくなるわ…たぶん両方だな。しんどい」感情くん+37
AceSoldia
Maaan listen I'm always gonna go for the drip first..and just like Daemon of the Shadow Realm I'm not entirely sure the current side is in the right.
まあ、悪い方の連中の方が見た目がカッコいいのはよくある話だよな。影の領域のデーモンじゃないけど、今の側が正しいかどうかも確信持てないんだよな。ドライおじ+21
BosuW
They got that _Dorohedoro_ sorcerer personal expression
確かに!悪役側のファッションセンスが良すぎるッ!あのドロヘドロの魔法使いたちみたいな個性爆発スタイル、優勝すぎる!感情くん+9
ritoshishino
and i really love the fact that the brim has a purpose, it's because brimmed hats are easier to hide their faces with, as opposed to a simple pointed hat that can't hide anything
確かに!つばに意味あるのマジで好きなんだけど笑 普通のとんがり帽子じゃ隠せないもんね、つば付きの方が顔隠しやすいってなるほど〜って思ったわ!ギャル+8
Genoscythe_
And vice versa, it makes the pointed cap an ideological statement in itself; law-abiding witches make a point out of always clearly showing their face.
確かに、逆に言えばとんがり帽子自体が思想的な主張になってて、法律を守る魔女たちは常に顔をはっきり見せるのがポリシーってわけだね。普通くん+8
moonmeh
evil comes with rad customization options
「わかるッ!悪者側の方がファッションセンス良すぎるんだよなァ〜!優勝」感情くん+8
faceplant911
I've noticed that this show makes really excellent use of silence. It's pretty much never quiet just to be quiet, it's quiet for a specific effect. The music is rarely overwhelming as well, and kinda takes a backseat in most cases. It makes a really cool and immersive effect.
この作品、沈黙の使い方が本当に秀逸だと思うんだよな。単に無音にするんじゃなくて、意図的な効果を狙って間を取ってるのがわかる。音楽も過剰に主張せず、ほとんどの場面で控えめな位置づけになってる。この演出によって、すごく没入感のある雰囲気が生まれてるんだよね。考察くん+714
Frontier246
That moment when Coco was left all alone with nothing but Tetia's hat and her feelings of inadequacy/failure/ostracization...
それな!ココがテティアの帽子だけを抱えて、孤独と無力感に押し潰されそうになってるシーン…無理すぎるッ!エモすぎて泣いた。感情くん+396
ThrowCarp
That silence was deafening.
あの沈黙、逆に怖かったね。普通くん+24
thekoreansun
原文
Someone else pointed it out to me in the previous thread, but Ryouta Gotou's environment art has also been amazing, and I think that the combination of both that and the sound design is what really sells the magical nature of the show! To go from a bustling and colorful marketplace to a cavernous and colorless void (that's so clearly M. C. Escher-esque) is incredibly jarring, and it accentuates how unsettled the characters themselves must've been feeling in that moment.
せやな、前スレでも誰か言うてたけど、後藤涼太の背景美術もガチでヤバいンゴwww 音響デザインと合わさって、魔法の世界観がめっちゃ引き立ってるわ。 賑やかな市場から無彩色の洞窟(明らかにM.C.エッシャーっぽい)への切り替わりがマジで不気味で、キャラの動揺がひしひし伝わってくるンゴね。2ちゃん+178
BosuW
Its the textures. Most environments in the show you can clearly intuit they're hand painted, but this labyrinth feels like it's made entirely out of gradients and it fucks with your perception.
確かに!テクスチャがやばいんだよね。他の環境は手描きってわかるんだけど、この迷宮はまるっきりグラデーションでできてて、視覚がバグる感じがするんだよな〜マジすごい!ギャル+69
flybypost
> it fucks with your perception. It felt like an perspective exercise where you realised to late that some lines don't converge precisely enough to one of your vanishing points so you just finish that one while promising to draw the next one better.
確かに。この迷宮の描写は、遠近法の練習問題を彷彿とさせる。消失点に収束しきれない線をそのままに、次は上手く描こうと誓いながら一本描き終える感覚。制作陣が意図的に視覚的な違和感を残したと考察できる。考察くん+37
cyberscythe
> The music is rarely overwhelming as well, and kinda takes a backseat in most cases. It makes a really cool and immersive effect. i'm listening to the ED music right now and it feels powerful in part because it's just a voice and an acoustic guitar; it feels personal and raw, and i think it's been a good endcap for these sort of story cliffhangers
確かに。音楽も控えめで、それによって作品の没入感がすごく高まってるよね。 ED曲も今聴いてるんだけど、声とアコギだけっていうシンプルな構成が逆に力強く感じるんだ。個人的で生々しい雰囲気があって、こういうストーリーの引きに対するエンドキャップとしてすごく合ってると思う。普通くん+47
maxpolo10
Even the guitar feels unprocessed if that makes sense. As if you are listening to her just pouring it out in the streets for a few coins.
それな!ギターの音も加工なしって感じがして超エモいんだよ。まるで街角で彼女が小銭のために心を全部さらけ出してるみたいに聴こえるのが無理すぎるッ!感情くん+24
BosuW
Which takes a lot of admirable restraint when you have such an incredible soundtrack at your disposal.
確かに。あれだけの神サントラがあるのに抑えるところはしっかり抑えてるのはすごいよね。普通くん+17
JzanderN
What I expected: A chill episode explaining more magic while Coco gets her own magic wand (presumably similar to what she used as a tailor. What I got: **PLOT** *WHY DO EPISODES HAVE TO END?!*
やばっ!私が予想してたのはココが魔法の杖(多分仕立て屋のとき使ってたやつに似てるやつ)ゲットして、魔法の説明とかするゆるい回だと思ったんだけどさ。 実際はガッツリ**ストーリー進行**じゃん!! **なんでエピソードって終わっちゃうの?!** まじで続きが気になりすぎるんだけど笑ギャル+707
zairaner
SHE DIDN'T EVEN GET HER FUCKING WAND.
ワンドすらもらえなかったのかよ…普通くん+462
tapdancinghellspawn
I'm wondering if her battle with the dragon of the labyrinth won't somehow result in her finding the perfect wand.
確かに!でもさ、多分このままラビリンスのドラゴンと戦ってるうちに、最強の杖ゲットしちゃうんじゃね?笑ギャル+168
Life_Is_A_Mistry
Maybe the real wand is the dragon fangs we extracted along the way ✨
確かに、ドラゴンの牙こそが真の杖ってオチかもしれないね✨普通くん+234
peptiresearcher81
原文
I am so hoping she somehow uses that petrifying spell on it. Only because that spell in the book had a picture of a dragon. Im assuming maybe the spell was created for defeating dragons? Tbough to be honest our boy quifrey may end up saving the day himself this time, which would be in spectacular fashion im sure, if brushbuddy leads him to them. Regardless, I cannot fucking wait for next week oh my god these episodes are far too short 😫
確かに、あの迷宮の竜との戦いで完璧な杖を見つける展開はあり得るな。石化魔法が使われる可能性に注目したい。あの呪文の本に竜の絵があったのは、元々竜退治用に作られた魔法だからじゃないかと考察できる。 ただ、今回の展開を踏まえると、クイフェイがブラシ仲間の導きで彼らを見つけ出し、見事な形で事態を収拾する可能性も高い。制作陣の構成力が試される場面だ。 何より、週を跨ぐのが辛すぎる。毎回尺が短すぎて消化不良になる。次回が待ち遠しすぎる。考察くん+10
lawragatajar
Come to think of it, she didn't even get to look at a wand before running off. I wanted to see what types of wands were even available.
そういえば杖すらまともに見る余裕なかったんだな…どんな種類があったのか見たかったのに。しんどすぎるッ!感情くん+9
Shadow_Ass
And they end so fucking fast
確かに、あっという間に終わっちゃうよね。普通くん+10
tomerc10
Inject brushbuddy scenes into my veins
刷毛の弟子のシーン、俺の血管にぶち込んでくれッ!!!感情くん+610
gst4158
I love brushbuddy! I demand a plushie this instant!
「それな!ブラッシュバディ好きすぎる。今すぐぬいぐるみ出してほしいわ」普通くん+194
Gilthwixt
Neck pillow that wraps around, and a brim hat sleeping mask, for those extra long flights
草、ブラシくん愛されすぎやろwww 首枕とつば広帽子のアイマスクセットで売ってくれ、長距離フライトで爆睡できるやん2ちゃん+36
peptiresearcher81
So real honestly. Brushbuddy is absolutely goated and i want him. Brushbuddy is best buddy
確かに。Brushbuddyはマジで神キャラだし欲しいわ。最高の相棒だね。普通くん+57
NightSVS
I'm kind of curious about what a bald brushbuddy would look like
あ、それな!ハゲのブラシバディってどんな見た目なんかな笑 気になるじゃん!ギャル+10
gst4158
A hotdog with googly eyes
それな!目玉つきのホットドッグって発想ヤバすぎるッ!想像しただけで笑えるんだけどw感情くん+20
GtrsRE
I've only had brushbuddy for ~~three~~ four episodes but if anything happened to him I would kill everyone in this room and then myself
わかる!!ブラッシュバディ登場してまだ4話しか経ってないけど、もしあの子に何かあったらこの部屋の全員ぶっ殺してから自分も死ぬってマジで決めてるんだけど笑ギャル+9
WhoiusBarrel
Absolutely adore how this episode basically introduces this series' version of Diagon Alley, along with the mechanics of how wands and ink are manufactured. Tetia's outburst along with the vitriol insults Agott spewed only hammer home how alone Coco is in her current environment, only makes it more depressing when it was something she dreams and admired her whole life.
このエピソード、まさに本作版ダイアゴン横丁の導入と、杖やインクの製造メカニズムを見せてくれたのが素晴らしいな。 テティアの爆発的な感情やアゴットが吐き捨てた辛辣な罵倒は、ココが現在の環境でどれほど孤立しているかを強調している。それが彼女が生涯夢見て憧れてきたものだっただけに、より一層切なく感じられる。考察くん+585
Frontier246
Also Coco finally gets to see how witches' really live in their own cities filled with magic, caps, and casual magic talk. It's understandable why Tetia would react that way but it's sadder when it seems like she and Coco were 60% of the way to becoming besties.
確かに、ココが魔女たちの街で実際の生活や日常的な魔法の会話を見られるのはいいよね。テティアの反応は理解できるけど、あと一歩で親友になれそうだったのが切ないな。普通くん+304
namewithak
原文
I think it was deft storytelling that from the moment Coco arrives in Qifrey's atelier, it's Tetia who welcomes her first. And she is consistently the one most concerned about Coco, always looking after her like an older sister. Even in this episode when Coco was falling behind while they were walking through the market, Tetia was the one who kept making sure that she wasn't separated. So it was very effective when in her fear and panic, it was Tetia who first blames Coco for their predicament. She didn't do it intentionally but it must have been especially devastating for Coco that it was Tetia and not the others. Coco picking up Tetia's hat after all that was the perfect image to leave her on this episode. Also someone below said that the scenes being unusually quiet, with little music and just the voices and environmental sounds, makes the show really immersive and I wholly agree. It feels kind of odd at first but it's also refreshing in a way. There were a lot of interesting camera angles in this episode too.
ココがキーフリーのアトリエに到着した瞬間から、テティアが最初に出迎えるという演出は巧みだと思う。彼女は一貫してココを最も気にかけ、姉のように世話を焼いている。今回のエピソードでも、市場でココが遅れを取ると、テティアがはぐれないように気を配っていた。だからこそ、恐怖とパニックの中で、ココの窮状を最初に責めたのがテティアだったのは非常に効果的だった。意図的ではないにせよ、他の誰でもなくテティアだったことがココにとって特別に打撃だったはず。その後のテティアの帽子をココが拾うシーンは、今週のエピソードを締めくくる完璧なイメージだった。 また、下のコメントにもあったが、音楽を抑えて声と環境音だけで描く静かな演出は没入感を高めていて、最初は少し違和感があるものの、逆に新鮮だ。今回のエピソードでは面白いカメラアングルも多かった。考察くん+324
Phaazoid
Eh, it felt to me like Tetia was not angling to ostracize Coco, she was just having trouble dealing with a stressful situation (she just saw the dragon lmao). Like yeah, Coco noticed and it hurts, but something tells me there is not as much as a hill to climb there as there is with Agott
あー、ワイはテティアはココを排斥しようとしてたわけじゃなくて、ただストレスでテンパってただけやと思うわ(何せドラゴン見たばっかやしなwww)。確かにココはそれに気づいて傷ついたやろうけど、アゴットとの関係ほど険しい道のりやない気がするンゴ2ちゃん+140
oops_i_made_a_typi
原文
yeah Tetia's good. I still am really not liking Agott, especially with how Qifrey (seemingly) has completely forgotten about her almost getting Coco killed, whether intentional or not. I see why Agott is the way she is, but it's really jarring to see her get away with such hostile behaviour with basically no pushback. nor is anyone really trying to catch Coco up on her ignorance at a faster pace, letting her make beginner mistakes herself again and again. just weird considering they're all about "magic can be so dangerous if you don't know what you're doing" and then "but yeah there's no rush to tell you more fundamental warnings like not touching ppl while drawing".
確かにテティアはいい子だよね。でもアゴットはやっぱり好きになれないな。キーフリーが(意図的かどうかは別にして)彼女がココを危険にさらした件を完全にスルーしてるのも気になるし。アゴットの立場は理解できるけど、あれだけ敵対的な態度取っててほとんど注意されないのは違和感あるわ。 あと、誰もココの知識不足を早くカバーしようとしないのも変だよね。「魔法は無知だと危険」って言いながら、「描いてる最中に人に触るな」みたいな基本警告すら急いで教えないのは変じゃない?普通くん+29
AceSoldia
It's so sad. I do hope they make up
悲しすぎるンゴ…仲直りしてほしいわマジで2ちゃん+49
DugACCat
原文
Felt bad for her as well, but man Coco stresses me out and I do think she deserved a tongue lashing by Agott. What did she think she was going to do to this allegedly “evil” witch who gave her the dangerous book if she caught her? She has no power or spells and couldn’t do anything on her own but still went recklessly running off on her own, dragging the others into peril. I really don’t get what she hoped to accomplish. I guess she was going to try to ask some questions, but still, a very foolish thing to do. Right into the trap. Now, I do think there’s a lot more to this other group and their interest in Coco. So they likely don’t want to murder her or the others, but Coco doesn’t know any of that. I swear this anime stresses me out. 😅 (In a good way as I’m already fully invested.)
確かにココには同情するけど、彼女の行動は見ていてヒヤヒヤするな。アゴットに叱られて当然だと思う。あの危険な魔導書をくれた“邪悪な”魔女を捕まえたとして、何をするつもりだったんだ?魔力も呪文も持たない無力な状態で、単独で突っ走って他人を危険に巻き込む。何を成し遂げたかったのか全く理解できない。質問しようとしたのかもしれないが、それにしても愚かな判断だ。まんまと罠にかかってしまった。ただ、あの別グループとココへの関心にはもっと深い事情がありそうだ。殺す気はないかもしれないが、ココはそれを知らない。このアニメ、本当に心臓に悪いよ(良い意味で、もう完全にハマってるけどね😅)。考察くん+170
Worldly_Business_425
She is an 11 year old who just saw the person who is responsible for what may be the death of her mother, of course she's chase after her lol. Not that it's logical from coco, but it only makes sense she did it.
確かに。11歳の子が母親を死なせたかもしれない相手を見たら追いかけるのは当然だよね。ココの行動は合理的じゃないけど、そうするのもわかる気がする。普通くん+212
galaxycentral
The being 11 year old wouldn't matter, I think anyone would chase after the perpetrator who suddenly showed up out of no where and ran.
せやな、11歳とか関係ないわ。突然現れて走り去った犯人追いかけるのは誰でもそうするやろ。2ちゃん+118
DugACCat
原文
Yeah I get that and it’s fair that someone of her age isn’t thinking rationally. The author does indeed capture that spirit well. And wanted to say I’m not really complaining about the author choices at all. Just saying Coco stresses me out, as I’m sure is also true with her mentor. Such a great anime to put me on the edge of my seat with what I presumed was going to be a simple quill shopping trip. Also I sympathized more with Algott here than in the last episode where she went beyond her authority to put Coco in imminent deadly peril. They are doing a great job of making all the characters relatable and even endearing. (Admittedly, Algott is the least endearing since she has such attitude, but I’m sure their bonds will eventually happen. Just as I’m sure Coco will change and grow as time goes on, if she can stay alive.)
確かに、11歳の子供が母親の死に関わる可能性のある相手を目の前にして理性的に行動できないのは理解できるし、作者はその心情を上手く描いていると思う。ただ、作者の選択に不満があるわけではなくて、ココがメンターと同じように僕をハラハラさせる存在だと言いたいんだ。ただの羽根ペン購入の旅だと思っていたのに、こんなにハラハラさせられるアニメはすごいよ。前回のエピソードでアルゴットが権限を超えてココを死の危険に晒した時より、今回は彼女に共感できた。全キャラクターに親近感や愛着を持たせる描写が本当に上手い。(確かにアルゴットは態度が大きいから一番愛着が湧きにくいけど、いずれ絆は深まるはず。ココが生き延びられれば、時間とともに成長・変化していくと思う。)考察くん+34
Anna-2204
Without making spoilers Witch Hat Atelier is a really good example of how children act when in panic because there is no adult to protect them
確かにそれな!でもココの焦り方、まじで子供そのものって感じじゃん?大人がいない時のパニックってああなるよね。アゴットに叱られても仕方ないかも〜笑ギャル+112
cyberscythe
what i expected: anime Harry Potter what i got: magical Lord of the Flies
確かに、魔法版ハリー・ポッターかと思いきや、魔法版「蠅の王」って感じだよね。普通くん+68
manquistador
This is a good point. I was frustrated about their lack of supervision on the initial chase. Feels like Qifrey has done a really poor job of educating Coco on a lot of the basics.
確かに!最初の追跡シーンで大人の監督不足にイライラしたわ。キーフレイがココに基本を全然教えてないの、ちょっとひどくない?感情くん+19
kingEdward22
It giving made in abyss and madoka magica vibes with this
「メイドインアビス」や「まどかマギカ」っぽい雰囲気あるね。確かにそういうダークな空気感が共通してると思う。普通くん+11
north-blind-compass
原文
It’s very easy to understand everything Coco’s done because we’ve seen her reasoning every step of the way, but this is now her third reckless life-endangering decision in a row. You can see why Tetia and Agott are upset here, even it’s a little unfair. Agott still doesn’t have room to be complaining because she put Coco in the position to make her second life-endangering decision (and she should’ve realized the other girl would go for it considering the circumstances), but from her perspective, she was pulled away from buying shoes to replace the ones Coco ruined, to go chase down Coco, then suddenly gets teleported by forbidden magic into a dragon labyrinth, and when she’s trying to create an escape for them, Coco ruins her drawing. Looking forward to when the girls can figure some shit out. They have the makings of a very capable quartet here. (Also shout out to Richeh, locking in and drawing sylphs during the cat fight.)
ココの行動は全て納得できるんだけど、彼女の命を危険に晒す判断がこれで3連続になってるんだよな。テティアとアゴットが怒るのも理解できるし、ちょっと厳しすぎる気もするけどね。 ただアゴットにも文句を言う資格はないと思う。なぜなら彼女がココに2回目の危機的状況を作った張本人だからだ(あの状況でココが飛び込むのは読めるはず)。でもアゴットの視点で見れば、ココに靴をダメにされた後で買い物から引き離され、追いかけたら禁術でドラゴンの迷宮に飛ばされ、脱出方法を描いてる最中にココに絵を台無しにされたわけで。 この4人が問題を解決できる日が待ち遠しいよ。本当に有能なカルテットになり得る素質はあるんだから。あとリチェ、喧嘩中にシルフを描き続けてたのはマジでプロ根性だわ。考察くん+111
saynay
> this is now her third reckless life-endangering decision in a row To be fair to Coco, she had no way of knowing the extent of the danger she was getting herself into for two of those. Even with the Dadah Range, she did not know that she was attempting them at the most dangerous time, and I think she knew (as much as any 11 year old at least) the risks.
確かにココの行動は無謀に見えるけど、最初の2回は危険の度合いを正確に知るすべがなかったんだよな。ダダ山脈にしても、一番危険なタイミングで挑んでるとは知らなかったわけだし。少なくとも11歳なりにリスクは理解してたと思うけど。普通くん+46
finnjakefionnacake
ok but also qifrey is not the best guardian lol. these girls are like 10-12, *why* are you taking your eyes of them?! lol
わかるけど、でもキーフリーは保護者としてどうなのよ笑。彼女たちまだ10〜12歳だぞ?なんで目を離すんだよ!笑感情くん+45
Magicbison
原文
> Agott still doesn’t have room to be complaining because she put Coco in the position to make her second life-endangering decision I really hate how this show has refused to acknowledge the events of last episode with Agott almost sending Coco to her death. Its like the last episode didn't happen at all except for the ruined shoes. Its very aggravating for this show with its incredibly high quality to just ignore basic story telling and just skip around the story.
確かにアゴットがココを死にかける状況に追い込んだのに、文句言う立場じゃないよな。前回のエピソードでアゴットがココを死に至らしめかけた件を、この作品がまったく無視してるのが本当に嫌だ。壊れた靴以外はあの回がなかったかのようになってる。これだけクオリティ高い作品なのに、基本的なストーリーテリングを無視して話をすっ飛ばすのはかなりイライラする。普通くん+24
Masterchiefx343
Yall forget shes a *child*
それな!みんな忘れてんじゃん、ココってまだ*子ども*だってこと笑ギャル+95
Crackedaru
A child can say insensitive things without meaning to, this is clearly not the case with Agott who actively targets sensitive points at Coco here.
確かに子供だけど、これは完全に悪意ある攻撃だろ。アゴットはココの傷つくポイントを狙ってる。子供の無邪気さじゃ済ませられない。しんどいわ…感情くん+9
JimmyCWL
>dragging the others into peril. She didn't pull them along, they chased after her on their own. She likely never even realized they were behind her until Agott grabbed her arm. At least one of them could have gone to Qifrey first.
確かに。彼女が引きずり込んだわけじゃなくて、みんな勝手に追いかけてきたんだよね。アゴットに腕を掴まれるまで気づいてなかったと思うし。少なくとも一人は先にキーフリーのところに行くべきだったな。普通くん+89
Fangzzz
"Coco! We're not supposed to get separated!" (6 min 39) The others were obeying the directions Qifrey gave and Coco was disobeying that. Agott was the only one with special dispensation to go off on her own because she said she was going to. So I guess she could have gone back to Qifrey... But if she did that then they'd have all died so...
「ココ!はぐれちゃダメだって!」(6分39秒)というセリフが示す通り、他のメンバーはキーフリーの指示に従っていたのに対し、ココだけがそれを破っているという構図だ。 アーガットは自分からそう言い出したため、唯一単独行動の特別許可を得ていた。だから彼女がキーフリーの元へ戻る選択も理論上は可能だったが、もしそうしていたら全員死んでいただろう。この場面を踏まえると、キーフリーの指示系統と現実の危機の間にジレンマが生じていたと考察できる。考察くん+27
Nachtwandler_FS
Coco is indeeed to prone to let emotions get control of her now. She is both a bit to impulsive and prone to take every criticism to close top heart. THis sometiomes helps as she can be reallky bold, but most of the time it stirs trouble and drama.
せやな、ココは確かに感情に流されすぎやわ。衝動的やし、批判をすぐ真に受けすぎる。たまにそれが大胆さに繋がることもあるけど、大抵はトラブルや騒動の元やな。アガットに叱られてもしゃーないと思うわ。2ちゃん+51
Kankunation
Tbh she probably didn't think much of anything. She's a kid in a panic who wants answers now, and she ran head-first into the first lead she saw with thinking much of the consequences (which up until now has kidn of been her normal course of action: she doesn't think before acting. Which is very dangerous for a witch). Now she's gotta really prove herself And overcome that trait.
確かに彼女は何も考えてなかったと思う。答えが欲しくてパニックになってる子供だし、最初に見つけた手がかりに突っ込んでった感じだよな(今までもずっとそうだったけど:行動する前に考えない。魔法使いにはすごく危険な性質だ)。 これからは本当に自分を証明して、その癖を克服しないといけないね。普通くん+33
saynay
I think more than "not thinking of the consequences", a bigger theme is the dangers of ignorance. Again and again she does things that are far riskier than she knows, because that knowledge is deliberately kept from her.
「結果考えてない」ってより「無知の危険性」ってテーマの方が大きいわ。何度も危険なことやってるけど、それは知識が意図的に隠されてるからやろな。ガキやから仕方ないけど、それでも辛いンゴwww2ちゃん+8
PhantomWolf83
原文
You basically wrote what I wanted to say. Agott's words might have gone too far and knowing that Tetia is starting to blame Coco too is a big oof, but Coco pretty much had it coming. Did it not occur to her to ask Qifrey for help when he was right there in the shop with her? She knew from her experience with her mother that the Brimmed Caps were bad news, so as you said, what did she hope to accomplish on her own when she's a complete amateur? Like the other guy wrote, Coco is too emotional and doesn't think before acting.
確かに言いたいこと全部書いてくれてたわ。アゴットの言葉は行き過ぎだったかもしれないし、テティアもココを責め始めてるのは辛いけど、ココは自業自得なとこあるよな。キーフリーがすぐそこにいるのに助けを求めるって発想なかったのか?母親の件でつば広帽が危ないって知ってたんだから、素人が一人で何達成しようとしてたんだよ。他の人も言ってたけど、ココは感情的すぎて行動する前に考えないんだよな。普通くん+24
Arzhart
Tetia blaming Coco is one thing, but Agott is treating Coco like shit and almost killed her last episode. Agott has ZERO right to act this way towards Coco
確かに。テティアがココを責めるのはまだわかる。でもアゴットはココをゴミ扱いして前回は殺しかけたんだぞ。アゴットにココにこんな態度取る権利なんてゼロだわ。マジでイライラするッ!感情くん+58
Fangzzz
I mean maybe they don't want to murder her, but the others are probably fair game
確かに、殺すつもりはないかもしれないけど、他の連中は容赦ないだろうね。普通くん+15
Apprehensive_Law7969
who asked them to chase after her?
誰が追いかけろって頼んだんや?自分から行ったんやろがwww2ちゃん+8
y-c-c
You are telling me that if you were in her shoes you wouldn't run after that witch? And just wave and let the witch run off? I feel like it's pretty understandable regarding her actions here.
確かに、自分が彼女の立場だったらあの魔女を追いかけちゃうと思うよ。手を振って見送るだけなんてできないし。今回の彼女の行動は結構理解できるんじゃないかな。普通くん+7
Accurate_Treat6360
I feel bad for Coco's situation, but Tetia & Agott's reaction are completely understandable. She accidently drags the others into danger.
わかる〜!ココの状況はかわいそうなんだけど、テティアとアゴットの反応はまじで当然じゃん?だってココがうっかりみんなを危険に巻き込んじゃったしね笑ギャル+16
Demolosse001
Honestly, Coco might as well join the brimmed hat faction. At least it looks like they would welcome her with open arms (and she can ask them directly how to undo the magic on her mother too).
確かに、ココがツバ広帽派に入ったほうが話が早い気がするな。少なくともあっちは歓迎してくれそうだし、母親の魔法を解く方法も直接聞けそうだよね。普通くん+18
Muffin-zetta
you telling me magic was invented by some lady that fucked a tree?
は?魔法って女が木とヤったせいで生まれたってマ?草生えるわwww2ちゃん+533
SolomonBlack
In Egyptian mythologly the world was made by a dude masturbating.
確かに、創世神話ってどこの国も大概だよね普通くん+145
GtrsRE
The tree: I came, ~~I saw, I conquered~~
それな。木「俺、イッた。見た、征服した」って感じで草。感情くん+22
Lazearound10am
Well, Pasiphae fucked a cow (even invented a contraption to make that possible) and gave birth to Minotaur so there's that. There's no shortage of kinky lore in mythology and the author just followed that tradition
せやな、パーシパエーは牛とヤった上にそのための装置まで発明してミノタウロス産んだしな。 神話のえっちな設定なんて腐るほどあるし、作者もその伝統に乗っただけやろwww2ちゃん+139
SolomonBlack
Helen of Troy *hatched*. From an egg. Because Zeus (of course it was Zeus) fathered her in the form of a swan. Zeus also was into golden showers.
それな!ヘレンが卵から生まれたってマジ?笑 しかもゼウスが白鳥に化けてやったとかやばすぎじゃん!てか黄金のシャワーって何それまじで草ギャル+28
Escobar3y
That's one freaky ass lady😂 she must've been starving didn't care of splinters at all.
それな、ヤバすぎる女だな😂 よっぽど空腹だったんだろうな、木くずなんて気にしてられなかったってか。普通くん+9
zool714
Wait, then before the tree produced the ink, how did witches create their spells ?
ちょっと待て、インクが木から出る前は魔女どうやって呪文作ってたんや?草2ちゃん+8
Muffin-zetta
They didn’t have spells yet, magic wasn’t invented yet
え、ちょっと待って!つまり魔法自体がまだ発明されてなかったってことじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル+13
zool714
So that witch wasn’t a witch at that point ?
なるほど、その時点ではまだその魔女は魔女じゃなかったってことか。普通くん+7
GreatGrapeKun
everyone was chilling then you had to go fuck a tree
それな!みんな平和にやってたのに急に樹とヤる女が出てくるのやばくね!?笑ギャル+6
ChicaneryFinger
Honestly I'd be miffed too if I had to chase my peer across a big town only to get suddenly teleported to a weird white space and get attacked by a dragon.
マジでムカつくわ。同級生を街中追いかけて、突然変な白い空間にテレポートさせられてドラゴンに襲われるとか、ありえなさすぎるッ!感情くん+505
LilacDream_
原文
Yeah, if I were back to the same age as them I definitely would’ve been pissed and a little passive aggressive to Coco during that. Aka I would act similarly to Tetia because we both don’t do well under pressure and our brains aren’t developed enough to properly control those emotions. What I appreciate about this show is that the kids actually act like kids. They aren’t gonna make the same decisions as adults and it shows
せやな、ワイもあの年齢やったら確実にキレてココに当たり散らしてるわ。つまりテティアと同じことするってわけやな。プレッシャーに弱いし、脳みそもまだ未発達で感情コントロールできひんからな。 このアニメのええとこは、子供がちゃんと子供らしく振る舞うとこやわ。大人と同じ判断なんかできるわけないし、それがちゃんと描写されてるンゴwww2ちゃん+211
cyberscythe
> What I appreciate about this show is that the kids actually act like kids. They aren’t gonna make the same decisions as adults and it shows it reminds me of Mitsuboshi Colors where the kids act like real kids beyond the cute parts and to the point where they're selfish, reckless, and kind of annoying
確かに。この作品の良いところは、子供たちが本当に子供らしく振る舞う点だな。大人と同じ判断をしないというのがしっかり描かれている。 『三ツ星カラーズ』を思い出すよ。あの作品も、子供たちが可愛い部分だけでなく、自分勝手で無謀で時にはちょっとうざったいところまで、リアルな子供として描かれていた。考察くん+35
NekoCatSidhe
Yes, even Tetia with her normally sunny personality was freaking out and wondering why this happened. I don’t think she really meant to blame Coco, but it is understandable that she did. Although Richeh is just not showing any emotions whatsoever and keeping calm as usual. Good person to have in a crisis, that one.
確かに、普段明るいテティアでさえパニックになってたしな。ココを責めるつもりはなかったんだろうけど、そうなっちゃう気持ちもわかるよね。 リチェは相変わらず無表情で冷静だから、ピンチの時に頼りになるタイプだな。普通くん+160
cyberscythe
> Richeh is just not showing any emotions whatsoever and keeping calm as usual Richeh is first pick for my team in a zombie outbreak
> Richehは全く感情見せずにいつも通り冷静やんな Richehはゾンビ発生時のチームで真っ先に確保したいわ ワイなら間違いなくファーストピックやな2ちゃん+87
Frontier246
Also I don't think any of the kids other than Coco know about the Brimmed Caps, at least that they were involved in Coco using Forbidden Magic, so that probably didn't help.
確かに!テティアでさえあの状況だもんな。しかもココ以外の子供たちはハットブランドのこと知らないし、ましてやココが禁術を使ったのに彼らが関わってるってのも知らないから、状況がさらにややこしくなってるんだよな…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん+13
BuckeyeBentley
Agott was a bit out of pocket on this one but only a bit, Coco really is a bull in a China shop and they've been suddenly thrust in a life or death situation at like 11 years old. I'm not surprised she's a little testy.
確かにアゴットは少し言い過ぎだけど、ココも空気読まなすぎだし、11歳でいきなり生死の境目に放り込まれたら誰だってピリピリするよね。普通くん+121
Zeikos
There's testy and there's "remember how you accidentally your mom". Also, it's not like Agott started behaving like this now - she's being resentful from the beginning while there was no justification, and now she's escalating. At least Qifrey picked up on it.
確かにアゴットは前からイライラしてたよな。でも「お前うっかり母親を~」ってのは流石にキツすぎンゴwww 少なくともキーフレイが気づいてくれたのは救いやね。2ちゃん+113
Galinhooo
When he asks how her and Agott are doing, she should have answered "she only tried to kill me once so far".
「元気にしてる?って聞かれたら『今のところ一回しか殺されかけてないよ』って答えるべきだったんだよな」普通くん+76
KazuharaIlfan
Oh shes been marinating that outbursts, for sure. I know I have been in that phase. You see your hated classmate, your mind start brewing all these bad thoughts if they ever slight you in some way. When that happens, its just ugly situation for all.
あれ絶対前から溜め込んでたやつやろな。ワイもその時期あったわ。嫌いなクラスメート見ると、もしちょっとでも舐めてきたらって悪い想像ばっか頭の中で膨らむんよな。そんで実際起こるとみんな地獄やわ。2ちゃん+15
Metalbound
>At least Qifrey picked up on it. Yet not a word was said to Agott about sending another child to their potential death on a trial that she had no authority to give. And he doesn't say a thing to her every time she spews such hatred at Coco. He is legit the worst guardian. He also lost all the kids. Like how...
【返信先】「少なくともキーフリーは気づいてた」って話だけどさ アゴットが権限もないのに別の子供を生死不明の試練に送り出したことに対して、彼は一言も注意しなかったんだよな。 それに彼女がココに浴びせる憎悪の言葉にも、毎回何も言わない。 正直、彼は最悪の保護者だと思う。 しかも子供たち全員を見失ってるし。どうやったらそうなるんだ…考察くん+10
lilelf29
Only a bit out of pocket? There's being frustrated/angry and then there's Agott, making sure to remind her peer how they "killed" their mother every episode...
確かにアゴットは言い過ぎだよね。怒るのはわかるけど、毎回「母親を殺した」って言うのはやりすぎだと思う。普通くん+103
manquistador
Coco seems to have learned very little from that mistake, so more reminders might be helpful.
確かに!Cocoあんまり学んでなくない?笑 まあアガットの言う通りだし、もっと注意した方がいいかもね〜ギャル+6
justsyr
原文
>Agott was a bit out of pocket on this one but only a bit That's what we get when Qifrey didn't even asked Coco or Agott what the heck just happened last episode. I said it back then, he's the teacher and the only adult there, he HAD to ask about what just happened when he said a couple of times already before "can't send her there yet, too dangerous" and yet he doesn't even ask "who opened the window, I didn't teach you to do that yet" or "how did you know what the test is about and how to find the object when I didn't tell you about it yet". The teacher and only adult in the group is not being a teacher or an adult so we get situations like today's episode.
キーフリーが前回のエピソードでココとアゴットに何が起きたのか全く尋ねなかったことが原因だな。以前から「まだ彼女をあそこに送れない、危険すぎる」と言っていたのに、窓を開けたのが誰かも「まだ教えていないことをどうやって知ったのか」も聞かないんだから。教師であり唯一の大人である彼がその役割を果たしていないから、今回のような事態が起きているという考察ができる。考察くん+9
hitmobilegamehsr
A little is putting it lightly
軽く言いすぎだと思うよ普通くん+9
Zemahem
If literally anyone else crashed out on Coco in that moment, I would've let it slide. But Agott has no right to be the one lambasting her here after she faced zero consequences for her actions last episode.
「同意。他の誰かがココにキレてたならまだ許せたンゴ。でもアガットが説教するのはおかしいやろ、前回あれだけやらかしてノーダメだったのに」2ちゃん+86
TheBusStop12
原文
I mean, in that very moment they were in a life or death situation, and Coco messed up Agott's magic circle by shaking her shoulder while she was drawing. The magic circle that had a good chance of being their only hope for survival. Up to that point Agott had remained calm and was only focussed on making sure everyone gets out. But then Coco once again messed up by doing something without thinking or regard of others. Even with the context of previous episodes, she had every right to be mad at Coco because that single shoulder shake could have meant the death of all of them. They were lucky Richeh had been making a backup. If coco weren't lambasted for screwing up so royally in such a critical situation her character would never grow
確かにあの状況ではな。生死に関わる場面で、ココがアガットの肩を揺らして魔法陣を台無しにしたんだからな。あの魔法陣が生き残るための唯一の希望だった可能性が高いし、それまではアガットは冷静に全員の脱出に集中してたんだよ。そこにココがまた考えなしに行動して台無しにした。前回までの話を考慮しても、あの肩を揺らしたせいで全員死ぬ可能性があったんだから、怒るのは当然だと思う。リチェが予備を用意してなかったら終わってた。あんな大事な場面で大失敗したのに叱られなかったら、ココのキャラは成長しなかっただろうな。普通くん+34
Zemahem
原文
It's just that this is like that one meme that goes "Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Good Point". Combined with the fact that Agott is allowed to call out Coco's mistakes and flaws, whereas so far she's gotten off scott free for what she did to her. Yeah, maybe and hopefully she'll face consequences later on, but I reserve the right to express my frustrations before that happens.
あの「最悪のやつが正論ぶちかました」ミームそのものやんwww ついでに言うとアゴットはココのミスや欠点を指摘できる立場なのに、ココは今までアゴットにやらかしたこと何も咎められてないンゴね。 まあ後でちゃんと報いを受けるかもしれんけど、それまではワイがイライラする権利はあるやろ。2ちゃん+11
Se7en_Sinner
Seeing the always positive Tetia panic was disheartening.
確かに、いつもポジティブなテティアがパニックになってるのは見てて辛かったな。普通くん+80
socialistRanter
Poor Tetia she just wants be a cheerful girl and spread the love of magic.
それな!てかテティアがずっとポジティブな子だったからこそ、パニックになったシーンやばくない!?まじで胸が痛くなったわ〜笑ギャル+37
socialistRanter
Yeah people are being hard on the other apprentices but they weren’t prepared to be attacked by a dragon in a life or death situation
確かに他の見習いたちには厳しい意見多いけど、いきなりドラゴンに襲われて生死の境目に立たされるなんて準備できてないよね。普通くん+26
BosuW
When all you had planned for today was shop for art supplies
せやな、今日は画材買いに行くだけの予定やったのにドラゴンに襲われるとか予想できんやろwww 他の弟子たちに厳しすぎるわガチで2ちゃん+15
socialistRanter
Maybe even buy some snacks, show the new girl around the town, have fun!!! “No,” says the Brimhat, “dark souls boss fight for you”
「お菓子買ったり新入りの子と街を案内して楽しく過ごすはずだったのに…」 「違う」ってブリムハットが言うんだ、「お前にはダークソウルのボス戦だ」って!!!無理すぎるッ!感情くん+9
Rorik_MLT
Agott went a bit too harsh but I can understand the stress they were in when a dragon is hunting them. Coco should have shouted something and not rushed at the witch when Wizard Gojo already told her about that faction being dangerous. So, they're both at fault.
確かにアゴットはやりすぎだったけど、ドラゴンに追われてるストレスは分かるよ。ココも、ゴジョーがあの派閥は危険だって言ってたのに、魔女に突っ込む前に何か叫ぶべきだったと思う。 だから、両方に非があるね。普通くん+8
TheTetons
Based on my simple Japanese knowledge, the bit near the end where Agott clarifies she is saying to leave this place, is because in Japanese she initially uses koko which means this place, but obviously also could be taken as Coco's name so it sounds like she's saying to leave Coco
ワイのカス日本語知識で申し訳ないンゴが、終盤の「ここを離れろ」ってアゴットのセリフ、日本語だと元々「ここ(koko)」って言ってて、当然ココ(Coco)の名前にも取れるから「ココを置いてけ」って聞こえるってオチやろwww 草生えるわ2ちゃん+499
bobbyjean_
That line is localized well, her saying to leave this "dead end" maintains the double meaning.
確かに!あの「dead end」って訳、めっちゃ上手いよね!二重の意味がちゃんと伝わってくるし、ローカライズのセンスやばくね!?ギャル+365
TheTetons
I agree
「せやな、あの「dead end」の訳し方めっちゃ上手いわ。ダブルミーニングちゃんと活きてるやん」2ちゃん+51
HarshTheDev
Tbf its not like that scene was any subtle lol, since agott literally spells it out.
確かにアゴットがはっきり言ってたし、あのシーンは元々そんなに隠されてなかったよね笑普通くん+16
Aryite
Yes, she says ここから離れましょう *koko kara hanaremashou* which means "Let's get away from *koko*" and *koko* means both "here" and "Coco"
それな!「ここから離れましょう」って言ってて、「ここ」が場所とココのダブルミーニングになってるのやばくね!?ギャル+123
HotBlz116
This lifted her from not just toxic but a terrible person. I hope that the story redeems her well
確かに、それで彼女はただの有害なキャラじゃなくて、本当にひどい人間だって印象から脱却できたね。今後のストーリーでしっかり救済されてほしいな。普通くん+17
TheSpartyn
shes an absolute bitch but this line wasnt some evil nasty pun, it was just a normal japanese sentence that coincidentally sounded like her name. she didnt even realize the "pun" until tetia reacted to it its like if the character was called Hare and you said "lets get away from here", its just a normal phrase
せやな、彼女はマジでクソ女だけど、この台詞はわざと悪意あるダジャレとかじゃなくて、たまたま名前っぽく聞こえる普通の日本語の文やったんや。本人もテティアが反応するまでダジャレに気づいてなかったンゴwww まるでキャラ名が「ハレ」で「ここを離れよう」って言ったらダジャレになるみたいなもんやろ。そこまで深く考えんでええわ。2ちゃん+33
evilmojoyousuck
shes only like this to coco which is understandable cause lets be real here, coco doesnt think of other people before making a decision
確かに。彼女がそうなるのはココに対してだけだし、それもわかる。だってココってさ、決断する前に他人のこと考えないタイプじゃん。普通くん+10
jardex22
That's actually pretty clever.
確かに!アゴットの「ここを離れろ」って言い回し、考えてみるとめっちゃ巧妙だよな。日本語のニュアンス活かしすぎててエモいわ〜ッ!感情くん+82
Dragon_of_the_gods
I liked how the official manga translation did that scene. In the manga she says “now let’s get away from her- *here*. I was going to say “here”.” Lol
公式漫画の翻訳、あの場面よかったな。漫画だと「さあ、彼女から離れよ——*ここから*だ。“ここ”と言おうとした」って感じでさ、笑える。普通くん+81
ShadowGuyinRealLife
That's actually a pretty descent way to phrase it since Coco's name isn't "here" and the joke is almost the same.
せやな、確かにその言い回し結構ええわ。ココの名前が「here」ちゃうし、冗談もほぼ同じやしな。2ちゃん+8
BortLicensePlate22
Oh my gosh! I understood the localization and your translation explanation! My duolingo is working!!
やばっ!ローカライズと翻訳の説明、まじで理解できたんだけど!デュオリンゴ効いてるじゃん!!ギャル+7
bjamse
there are way too many days in a week...
確かに、1週間って日数多すぎだよね…普通くん+476
JzanderN
That feeling when you want to keep watching the episode, but then it ends and you have to wait 168 hours before you can watch the next one.
せやな、1週間長すぎンゴwww エピソード終わった瞬間「マジかよ…」ってなるわ。 次の話まで168時間待つとか地獄やろ。2ちゃん+137
DIVeno1242
Cosmic princess kaguya mentioned
それな。かぐや姫の名前出てきたの熱かったわ。普通くん+17
JzanderN
... You mean the movie that doesn't have a second episode?
それな!!あの映画って続編ないやつじゃん!まじで悲しすぎるんだけど笑ギャル+8
notanfan
fr i cant wait a week for this and nippon sangoku
確かに、週7日は長すぎるよな。『とんがり帽子のアトリエ』と『日本三國』、毎週1週間待つのがキツすぎる。普通くん+29
LimpStudy1079
Richeh is the goat confirmed
リチェがゴミやんって言われてたのにまさかの神回やなwww2ちゃん+448
SilliusS0ddus
Quifrey definitely isn't. Why doesn't he keep better watch over his little shits ? Is he stupid ?
確かにキーフリーは全然ダメだね。なんであの小僧どもをもっとちゃんと見張らないんだ?バカなのか?普通くん+177
saga999
He was literally in the shop with them! How did he not know they all ran away?
同意!マジでなんで気づかなかったんだよ!一緒に店にいたのに全員逃げたって気づかないとか無理すぎるッ!感情くん+123
Significant_Number68
He's an idiot alright. Zero awareness of Agott's malice in last episode, loses four kids while standing next to them in the same tiny ass shop. Plus his dumb, little glasses. I don't like this bozo at the moment
せやな、あいつマジでアホやわ。前回アゴットの悪意に全く気づかんし、クソ狭い工房で隣に立ってるのに4人のガキども見失うってどういうことやねん。しかもあのクソダサメガネ。今のところワイはこのボンクラ嫌いやわ。2ちゃん+71
Doomroar
Guy could be wearing a dark monocle if he only needs one sun glass, but nope, he made the wrong fashion choice, and for that he deserves all the smoke
確かに、サングラス一個でいいなら片目用のモノクルでいいのに、あえて間違ったファッション選んだのはアホだわ。そのせいで煙を浴びるのも自業自得だね。普通くん+12
lady0819
I hate this character so much. Four episodes in and he never stops losing children (or the magic secret) lol. Like PLEASE do your job! He’s the worst character in this series at the moment imo, makes me curious how the series will redeem him - or not at all lol
せやな、このキャラほんまクソやわ。4話もやってまだ子供(と魔法の秘密)なくし続けてて草。頼むから仕事しろや!現時点でシリーズ最悪キャラやと思うンゴwww これからどうやって救われるのか気になるわー、もしくは救われんパターンかw2ちゃん+19
Magnus-Artifex
Our little princess is the goat indeed
それな!うちらの小さなお姫様がまじでGOATすぎるじゃん!ギャル+107
doquan2142
I like her British dub. Wonder what is the accent called.
確かにRichehはすごいよね。 彼女の英語吹き替え好きだわ。あのアクセントって何て呼ぶんだろう。普通くん+8
deynyel
Felt really bad for Coco on this one. I'll just say this one is "Oof: the Episode".
ココちゃんマジで可哀想すぎたわ……この回は「ぐぬぬ…の巻」って感じやなw2ちゃん+429
Frontier246
When the girl she was closest too looked at her like she resented her....like, it was one thing for Agott, but to have it come from Tetia...
それな…まじでテティアにああいう目で見られた時のココの気持ち考えただけで胸が痛くなるんだけど!アガットならまだしも、一番仲良しの子にそんな風に見られるのやばすぎじゃね?泣ギャル+288
asap_munem
Meanwhile Richeh: 🗿
それな。リーチェだけずっと無表情で草。あの空気感の中であの顔は逆に怖すぎるッ!感情くん+438
Wama-Schawama
That's why she's the coolest
確かにリチェはその表情が最高だよね普通くん+207
Zeikos
👍
せやな、リチェは完全に🗿やったな草2ちゃん+100
BosuW
Keep calm and crack the wall
それな、リチェは完全に無表情で壁ぶっ壊してたな普通くん+89
JEEM-NOON
I mean it's only expected no one would like being thrown to be eaten by a dragon.
それな!!!一番仲良かった子にあんな目で見られたら心が折れるわ…アゴットならまだしも、あの子にまでそんな目で見られるのは無理すぎるッ!感情くん+11
JzanderN
Not one of Coco's best moments, for sure. And unfortunately she wasn't the only one who had to deal with the consequences of her actions.
確かにココ的にはちょっとダサかったよね~笑 しかも彼女だけじゃなくて周りにも迷惑かけちゃったし、まじで「やっちまったな」って感じじゃん!ギャル+126
animecarrots
I mean she’s a kid… who saw the person who gave her the spell that hurt her mom. Qifrey wants to find these people too. She probably doesn’t even know teleportation is an option?? It wasn’t her fault but it is now everyone’s problem, yes
確かに、彼女はまだ子供だし…母親を傷つけた魔法を教えた人を目の当たりにしたんだよね。キーフリーもその人たちを探してるし。ココはテレポートできることすら知らなかったんだろうし。彼女のせいじゃなかったけど、今はみんなの問題になってるのは確かだね。普通くん+32
magumanueku
The others are also kids. Regardless, it still didn't make sense for her to immediately chase after the bad guy who harmed her mom. It's not like she has the power to defeat him or anything. Like Qifrey was literally in the same shop and she didn't even bother calling him She's like what, 10? Even kids that young should have some preservation instinct. There's naive and there's Coco.
他の子らも子供やろ。それでも母親傷つけた奴を即追いかけるのは意味わからんわ。倒せる力があるわけでもないし。キーフレイと同じ店にいたのに呼びもせずに突っ込むとかガキすぎるやろ つーかココって10歳くらいやろ? その歳なら普通の子でも自己保存本能ぐらいあるやろ。純粋と無謀は別物やわ2ちゃん+24
Prof_Acorn
She ran off. Anyone that chose to chase her did so of their own volition. Maybe it's because she's an adventuresome only child, but she probably didn't think the entire crowd would feel they were automatically invited to her party without an invitation.
確かに、ココの判断ミスだったと言わざるを得ないな。ただ、彼女が飛び出したこと自体は、追いかけるかどうかは各自の自由意志の問題だ。おそらく彼女は好奇心旺盛な一人っ子だからこそ、招待状なしで全員が自動的にパーティーに参加できると思い込んでしまったのだろう。この行動から、彼女の無邪気さと社会的な認識の甘さが浮き彫りになっている。考察くん+28
JzanderN
原文
It was of their own volition, yes, but it was also of necessity because if none of them had followed her then it would have been FAR worse. Even if Coco hadn't been teleported somewhere else, how do you think Qifrey would have reacted if he found out the girls let her just run off by herself and get lost in the city? She's never been there before and, as they were more familiar with it than she was, it was their responsibility to make sure she'd find her way back to the stationary shop. Also, their own volitions or not (note that I never assigned blame), the other girls *are* dealing with the consequences of Coco's actions. She acted, these are the consequences and they're all dealing with them.
せやな、自分の意志ってのはそうなんやけど、結果的に追いかけざるを得へんかったんやろな。 もし誰も追いかけへんかったら、もっとヤバいことになってたで。 ココがどこかに飛ばされとらんくても、キーフリーが「お前ら置いてきぼりにしたんか?」ってキレるのは目に見えてるし。 あの子、街に初めて来たんやぞ。他の娘らは土地勘あるんやから、ちゃんと文房具屋に戻れるように責任持って案内するべきやったんや。 ついでに言うと、自分の意志かどうかはともかく(ワイは誰も責めてへんけどな)、他の娘らは今、ココの行動のツケを払わされてるわけや。 ココがやらかした、その結果がこれや。全員でそのツケを払ってるって構図やな。2ちゃん+53
extralie
> She ran off. Anyone that chose to chase her did so of their own volition. > > No, they were specifically instructed to not get separated.
確かに、それはそうなんだけど、でも「絶対にはぐれるな」って明確に指示されてたんだよね。普通くん+32
justsyr
Tetia: what should we do? Me thinking almost out loud: CALL QIFREY, HE'S JUST OVER THERE AT A SHOUT DISTANCE! But meh, gotta advance plot I gess... PS: I still love the show.
【返信先の要約】: 彼女が逃げたんだ。追いかけることを選んだのは自分の意志だよ。多分、彼女が冒険心旺盛だからかな 【返信】 テティア「どうする?」 ワイ「叫べば届く距離におるやろ!キーフリー呼べや!!」って心の中で叫んでたわ でもまあ、話進めるためやしな…しゃーない PS: それでもこのアニメ好きやで2ちゃん+23
ChicaneryFinger
Let's hope we don't get many more Oof: the Episodes
同意。「Oof: the Episode」すぎる。ココが不憫で泣いた。もうあんな回はあんまり見たくないッ!感情くん+36
MapoTofuMan
Judging by how a certain other show with a pre-teen blonde female protagonist exploring a dangerous fantasy world went, we'll be lucky not to get Oof : the Show.
確かに。似たような設定の別の作品の流れを見ると、Oof: The Showにならないだけマシだと思うわ。普通くん+23
MembershipNo2077
Yea, this was a rough one. The girls mirror their society and show how the witches feel more than anything. It makes you start to wonder "maybe the brimhats have a point" eventually.
せやな、今回の話はガチでキツかったわ。少女たちが社会を映し出してて、魔女たちの気持ちを何より表現してるンゴ。つい「もしかしてブリムハットの言い分も一理あるんちゃうか」って思わせられるわ。2ちゃん+7
Hounds_of_war
The eye-mask witch referring to Coco as “our hope” is ominous as hell. No clue if that’s a prophecy type thing, bloodline thing or maybe just a vibe that Coco’s curiosity and desire to do anything it takes to save her mom would make for a good ally. And man that’s a cool looking dragon.
目隠し魔女がココを「我々の希望」って呼ぶの、めっちゃ不穏だよね。予言的なものなのか、血筋的なものなのか、それとも単にココの好奇心と母親を救うためなら何でもやろうとする姿勢が良い味方になるって感じただけなのか、さっぱりわからん。 あとあのドラゴン、めっちゃかっこいいな。普通くん+393
JEEM-NOON
Considering he didn't pick her specifically and that he was giving the books and pens to many people, it can be deduced it's not about blood or a prophecy thing but more that one of the people planted by him manged to get into the witch society and avoid getting their memory erased.
【返信先】 「あのアイマスク魔女がココのこと『希望』呼びしたのガチで不気味やん…。予言とか血筋的なやつなんか?」 【返信】 いや、あいつ特定のやつ選んだわけじゃなくて本とペンばらまいてたやん。つまり血筋とか予言じゃなくて、単にばらまいた中から一人だけ魔女社会に潜り込めて記憶消されずに済んだってオチやろ。2ちゃん+179
Any-Calligrapher2866
They're probably counting on the temptation of dark magic.
確かに、彼らはきっと闇の魔術の誘惑に頼ってるんだろうね。普通くん+51
Huemun
She's Harry Potter. The choosen one who will save magic from racist wizards and free the muggles.
それな!ココってまさにハリポタ枠じゃん!選ばれし者として魔法を救って、差別派の魔法使いと戦うって感じでしょ。まじでやばくね!?ギャル+112
gsurfer04
Can't wait for the "nyehehe" in the end.
せやなwww 最後の「にへへ」が待ちきれんわガチで草2ちゃん+20
goffer54
> The eye-mask witch referring to Coco as “our hope” is ominous as hell With the same voice actress as Yelena from Attack on Titan. Yeah, I was getting war flashbacks.
確かに。声優が進撃の巨人のユミルと同じってのも怖さ倍増だよね。戦争フラッシュバックしそうだったわ。普通くん+109
Golden_Phi
With that voice actress it's hard to tell if they're meant to be male or female. Yelena's voice was meant to be more androgynous.
確かに!あの声優さんだと性別の判別むずすぎじゃない?笑 イェレナも中性的な声だったしね〜ギャル+28
Williukea
I think it's due to the fact that Coco is likely the first non-witch to become witch in probably a while. Since they wear hats "of bygone era", they are likely against all the secrecy and bans on using forbidden spells. I wonder if we'll see any other children who accidentally used magic
「目隠し魔女がココを『希望』と呼ぶ」という件、確かに不穏な伏線だよな。ココがおそらく長い間で初めて「魔女以外から魔女になった存在」という点が鍵だと思う。彼女たちが「過ぎ去った時代の帽子」を被っていることから、秘密主義や禁術禁止の掟に反発している可能性が高い。さらに、偶然魔法を使ってしまった他の子供たちが今後登場するか気になるな。考察くん+75
Golden_Phi
> And man that’s a cool looking dragon. It's done in 2D!!! It isn't a CGI dragon! We are blessed with brushbudy and 2D dragons today.
確かに!あのドラゴン2Dで描かれてるんだよな!CGIじゃない!ブラッシュバディと2Dドラゴンに今日は感謝しかないッ!感情くん+29
Zeallfnonex
原文
Could be ominous in multiple directions. Is Coco a pawn in some major doomsday plot, and "our hope" is that she brings some catastrophe along? Or maybe there's a catastrophe that only the brimmed hats know about and can't stop for some reason, and the regular witches don't want to acknowledge, and Coco is their hope to stop it? I can see a story where the regular witches have gone too far in making "forbidden magic" forbidden, and locked some incredibly important magicks away out of fear and/or calcification. Kind of like how the Jedi council went too far and thought *all* emotional attachment led to the Dark Side.
その「希望」という言葉、確かに複数の方向で不気味に取れるな。ココが何か終末計画の駒で、彼女が破滅をもたらす存在だから「希望」なのか、あるいはツバメ帽子たちだけが知っている何らかの大災害があって、それを止められない事情があり、普通の魔法使いが認めたがらない中でココだけが解決の鍵を握っている──という考察ができる。 つまり、正規の魔法使いが「禁術」を禁止しすぎて、恐怖や硬直化ゆえに重要な魔法を封印してしまった構造が見える。ジェダイ評議会が感情の全てをダークサイドと決めつけたのと似た構図だ。ココはその歪みを正す存在という伏線かもしれない。考察くん+14
LordVaderVader
Bro be like: She can take it Dragon solo
確かに。アイマスクの魔女がココのこと「俺たちの希望」って呼ぶの、めっちゃ不穏だよね。予言的な何かなのか血筋関係なのか、全然わからんけど。普通くん+12
InfernoVulpix
原文
I'd hope personally that "anyone can be a witch, it's not decided by birth" means there isn't actual prophecy magic in this series. Turning Coco into the universe's most special chosen one would undermine that theme pretty hard. Instead, I'm thinking that Coco's special because she's an outsider witch, someone inside the witch society but from outside their culture. The brimmed cap witches seem to be in hiding, they'd be hunted down if they revealed themselves to any ordinary witch, but Coco... well, she's already been accepted by the good witches. Wild speculation time: there's a location that the brimmed cap witches absolutely cannot reach no matter how hard they might try, like the inner sanctum of witch society, and there's a forbidden magic there that they want activated. Coco's their "in", someone they can tempt and corrupt into activating the spell. Or perhaps, rather than activate it, they'll tempt her to *de-activate* a spell. Like, say, the all-important Pact that keeps the witch society in charge of all magic use. If the whole world learns that anyone can use magic, the brimmed caps would have all the cover they need for any and all nefarious schemes.
「誰でも魔女になれる、生まれは関係ない」というテーマが本作にあるなら、預言魔法のような運命決定論は存在しないと信じたい。ココを特別な選ばれし者にするのは、そのテーマを大きく損なうからだ。 むしろ、ココが特別なのは「外から来た魔女」だからだと思う。つば広帽子の魔女たちは隠れて生きているが、ココはすでに善良な魔女たちに受け入れられている。 大胆な推測: つば広帽子の魔女たちが絶対に到達できない場所(魔女社会の聖域など)があり、そこに起動させたい禁術がある。ココはその「内通者」として誘惑され、呪文を発動させる存在になる。あるいは起動ではなく、魔女社会の契約を*解除*させるのかもしれない。全世界が誰でも魔法を使えると知れば、つば広帽子はどんな陰謀も隠せるからだ。考察くん+12
BoomSaysTheLady
原文
I love how they made Tetia act here. It hurts that she's putting the blame on Coco for their current predicament, but it is a realistic response and they've only known each other for a week? Two weeks at most at this point? Also, Tetia is only 11/12 who's currently in a life or death situation. Even full grown adults would freak out and start blaming others in this kind of situation. I love this kind of realistic writing and makes Tetia a more rounded character instead of just being a bubbly happy ball of sunshine.
テティアのこの反応、めっちゃ良かったわ。ココのせいにしてるのは胸クソ悪いけど、現実的な反応やしな。知り合ってまだ1週間〜2週間程度やし、しかもテティアは11〜12歳のガキで生死の危機に直面しとる。大人でもこんな状況ならパニックになって誰かのせいにすんのが普通やろ。こういうリアルな描写好きやわ。テティアがただのポジティブな太陽キャラじゃなくて、もっと深みのあるキャラになってるンゴwww2ちゃん+298
DarkAlphaZero
It hurts my soul, in a good way, that you can see Tetia realize *what* she's saying just as soon as it's too late to stop.
確かに。テティアが言った後に「やっちゃった」って気づく感じ、胸が痛むけどいい描写だよね。普通くん+189
BoomSaysTheLady
Yes i love this bit too. Tetia in her panicked state started wanting to blame someone for the dire situation they're in, but she doesn't outrightly say it but her glance towards Coco more than implies it. Tetia isn't outright mean like Agott. It is still in character for her while remaining realistic.
同意。この場面、本当に良いよね。テティアがパニック状態で誰かを責めたくなった結果、無意識にココへ視線を向けてしまう心理描写が秀逸。アゴットのようなストレートな悪意ではなく、本人も気づかぬうちに他罰的になるリアルな人間性が描かれている。キャラクターの成長前の未熟さを自然に表現している点で、制作陣の意図が読める。考察くん+91
saga999
> I love how they made Tetia act here. Same. And she didn't say it out loud. It's the perfect reaction to the situation.
それな!しかもテティアちゃん、口には出さなかったじゃん?それがめっちゃリアルで最高だったよ〜!ギャル+41
Aliensinnoh
原文
I also really liked that we got that outburst from Tetia. Mostly I'm just happy that we're getting more from her characterization than purely "genki". I like genki characters a lot, but they're best when we get to see that facade crack, see what happens when that seemingly endless well of optimism finally runs dry. Seeing Tetia lose composure for a second like that will really pay dividends for her character moving forward, I hope.
確かに。テティアが感情爆発させたシーンは良かったよね。ただの「元気キャラ」じゃなくて、その仮面が割れる瞬間が見れるのは最高だと思う。楽観主義の泉が枯れた時、彼女がどうなるのか気になるし、ああいう一瞬の取り乱しが今後のキャラ成長に生きてくるといいな。普通くん+30
darthvall
Yeah, I can't stop thinking about it. It's one of the best example of show, don't explain. Tetia didn't need to directly said her name to make Coco realised it. Also it made me hate Agott further during that outburst, but when you think about it her reasoning is totally right given the situation.  I hate this feeling lol
せやな、ずっと考えてもうてるわ。マジで「説明するな、見せろ」の典型やろ。テティアが直接名前を言わんでも、ココに気付かせる演出が上手すぎるンゴ。 あとアガットのあのキレ方でさらに嫌いになったわw でも冷静に考えたら状況考えれば彼女の言い分も正しいんよな… このモヤモヤ感マジで嫌やわw2ちゃん+19
saga999
> Also it made me hate Agott further during that outburst I actually don't. I know she hates Coco with a passion, but I'd be pissed too if in that situation. It's not even magic etiquette that Coco didn't know about because if Coco was cutting cloth and someone interrupted her like that, she knew that would ruin the cut.
確かにわかる。アゴットはココのこと嫌ってるけど、あの状況なら俺も怒ると思う。ココが布を切ってる途中で邪魔されたら台無しになるって知ってるはずだし、魔法のマナー以前の問題だよね。普通くん+31
ChocolateAxis
原文
>It's not even magic etiquette that Coco didn't know about because if Coco was cutting cloth and someone interrupted her like that, she knew that would ruin the cut. What Coco did was stupid but it's silly that everyone forgot that *she wasn't looking and was trying to tell Aggott that she saw something that could help them.* It's a totally normal human mistake that happened to compound on top of the other much bigger mistakes she'd done so far, which drove Aggott to her outburst. + they were in a highstress situation where more information would be crucial.
ワイはそうは思わんかったわ Cocoが布切ってるときにAgottみたいに邪魔されたらそりゃ切れ味台無しになるっしょ Cocoの行動は確かにバカだったけどさ、**彼女がちゃんと見てなくて、助けになる情報を見つけたって伝えようとしてたのを全員が忘れてんのアホくさい** 完全に普通の人間ミスやん それが今までのデカいミスの上乗せになったからAgottが爆発したわけやろ しかも高ストレスな場面で情報が命綱になる状況やしな2ちゃん+12
darthvall
Yeah, once the situation calmed down I can understand why she did that. It just she went too far by the end when saying "we should get away" and implied it could also mean get away from Coco.
確かに、冷静になって考えれば彼女がそうした理由もわかるんだよね。ただ最後に「離れるべき」って言って、それがココからも離れるって意味に取れる言い方だったのはやりすぎだったな。普通くん+10
Escobar3y
Coco is a damn idiot honestly,she one of those scattered brain folks.
確かにココはド天然すぎるッ!でもそれが可愛いんだよな〜アガットの怒りもわからんでもないけど、ココのそういうとこ含めて好きだわッ!感情くん+10
Top-Society1540
Damn, Qifrey really lost his apprentices. At least Brushbuddy is here to help him find them.
キーフリー、弟子たち失っちゃったのか。でもブラッシュバディが一緒に探してくれるのは救いだね。普通くん+293
Zemahem
Dude really needs to lock in when it comes to protecting them. He already almost lost Coco by leaving her with Agott, and now this happened. They would be screwed if not for Brushbuddy the MVP.
それな!キーフリーはもっとガチで守らないとダメだろ。アゴットにココ預けて危うく失うとこだったのに、今度はこれだよ。ブラッシュバディがMVPすぎてマジ助かったわ。感情くん+267
Anna-2204
Qifrey puts in general too much trust in children, after all in the first episode he asked a 12 years old to guard his door as if it wasn't obvious she would be trying to look at him casting magic
【返信】 確かにQifreyはガキに信頼置きすぎやろ 第一話で12歳に扉の見張り頼む時点でお察しやん 「魔法見てはいけません」って言われて素直に従うわけないやんwww もう少し大人しくしとけって思うンゴねぇ2ちゃん+242
Zemahem
原文
Lol true, maybe should've expected this from the precedent he set. But tbf in that first episode, it's not like Qifrey was aware of all the possible places in the house that she could use to peep into the room he's in. Maybe they should come up with magic that also obscures vision for situations like these for keeping non-witches from seeing. Not like they always have the luxury of a private room like he did.
確かに(笑)。あの先例からすると仕方ないかもね。でも第一話の時点では、Qifreyも彼女が家の中で覗き見できる場所を全部把握してたわけじゃないし。 非魔女に見られないように視界を遮る魔法とか作ればいいのにね。彼みたいに個室がいつもあるわけじゃないし。普通くん+75
Galinhooo
And it wasn't a small secret, it was something that could change the entire world if leaked.
それな!しかも「ちょっとした秘密」じゃなくて、漏れたら世界が変わるレベルの重大情報を12歳に預けるとか無理すぎるッ!感情くん+41
koteshima2nd
Fr tho, after the incident with Coco just a day or so ago, he should be WAAAY more cautious
確かに、ついさっきココの一件があったばかりなんだから、もっと慎重になるべきだよな。普通くん+15
cyberscythe
yeah, after the first "oops, Coco almost died" incident i would've at least put a magic Air Tag on her or something
それな!最初に「やべっココ死にかけた」事件の後は、せめて魔法のAirTagくらいつけとくよね笑ギャル+11
Frontier246
Qifrey: "I'm starting to think I need to do a better job watching my apprentices!"
確かにキーファは弟子たちを失っちゃったけど、ブラッシュバディが一緒に探してくれるのは心強いね。普通くん+118
AceSoldia
Lmao I mean honestly I'm with Qifrey on this .I certainly didn't expect them to straight up target Coco so quickly like this.
せやな、ワイもQifreyの気持ちわかるわ。まさかあんな早い段階でCocoが標的になるとは思わんかったわwww2ちゃん+74
__Brawler__
原文
I don't know how he manage to not hear Coco busting through the door, Tetia shouting out for Coco. Or just notice that there hasn't been any sound from one of his student in the shop. Coco got decent far, so they must have been gone for 5-10 minutes. WHAT WAS HE DOING IN THAT TIME. Isn't he taking Coco out to buy a new wand. Why is he not by her side to teach her about wands or just there as consultation for her choice.
確かにキーフリーは何してたんだろうね。ココがドアを破って入ってくる音も、テティアが叫ぶ声も聞こえないっておかしくない?しかも店内から生徒の一人の音が完全に消えてるのに気づかないとか。ココが結構遠くまで行ってたってことは5〜10分は経ってたはずだし、その間一体何してたんだよ。 ついでに言うと、新しい杖を買いに連れて行ったんじゃないの?杖の選び方教えたり、相談に乗るために一緒にいるべきじゃない?普通くん+41
BosuW
Witches too stagnant. He thought he had time to take it steady and easy, that clues would eventually come to him. Thought that he was the hunter waiting at the river for the prey to stop and drink. Meanwhile the opps been making moves. If Witches don't change their static mindset quick, the brimmed hats people are gonna draw magic circles around them.
キーフリーの立場に同意せざるを得ないな。魔女たちの考え方が硬直化しすぎている。彼は「時間はたっぷりある」「じっくり構えていればいつか手がかりが向こうからやってくる」と油断していたんだ。まるで川辺で獲物が水を飲みに来るのを待つ狩人のようにね。 ところが相手側は着々と布石を打っている。このままだと、ツバあり帽の連中に魔女たちが魔法陣で包囲される未来が見える。魔女社会が静的思考から脱却しない限り、不利な立場は覆せないという考察ができるな。考察くん+9
cyberscythe
he probably started off with like fifty apprentices and those three were the ones that survived up until Coco joined
「最初は50人くらい弟子がいて、生き残ったのがその3人って可能性あるよね…Cocoが来るまでに。しんどすぎるッ!」感情くん+7
NekoCatSidhe
He needs to put a magical tracking device on Coco if this keeps happening.
確かに、ココには魔法の追跡装置つけた方がいいかもね。普通くん+28
hitmobilegamehsr
Yeah lmao, Coco is new to this world and he lost her twice in two episodes
それな笑 ココちゃんまだこの世界に来たばっかなのに、2話で2回も見失うってやばくね!?ギャル+23
AceSoldia
I was so very shocked to see a entire witch town and so many colors and designs..for some reason I assumed they were rare and hidden..or all had the same colors.
魔女の町全体とかあんな色とデザインの数々には本当に驚いたよ…なんか勝手に魔女って珍しくて隠れてるもんだと思ってたし、みんな同じ色なのかなって。普通くん+290
Frontier246
Also the lady witches casually talking about using magic to make fuller skirt which is exactly what you would expect fashionable witch ladies to talk about lol.
それな!魔女たちがスカートふわふわにするために魔法使うとか話してるの、まじでありえそうで笑ったんだけど!笑ギャル+198
finnjakefionnacake
me too! like when they talked about how deathly important it was to keep the secret, i'm like...you mean to tell me all these thousands of witches are really on top of that and none of them blab to people in their lives? or do they all just leave the people in their lives and go live separately from them?
確かに、魔法使いの街の存在とその規模には驚かされたよね。秘密を守る重要性が強調されていたけど、あれだけ多くの魔法使いがいるなら、誰かがうっかり口を滑らせるリスクは相当高いはず。彼らは皆、一般人との関係を断って隔離された生活を強いられているのか、それとも完全に秘密を共有できるコミュニティ内でしか生きられない仕組みになっているのか、その辺りの設定が気になるな。考察くん+67
AceSoldia
..huh that is a good question...what about these young girl apprenticees...is it like the Jedi order? You become a witch and abandon everyone never to see them again?
確かにそれは良い疑問だな…若い見習いの女の子たちはどうなんだろう…まるでジェダイ・オーダーみたいに、魔女になったらみんなと離ればなれになって二度と会えないってことなのかな?普通くん+24
zechamp
They seem pretty strict about tests though, the whole "fail once and you are out" thing. Maybe the rejects get mind wiped.
確かに!試験めっちゃ厳しくない?「一度落ちたら即アウト」とかやばくね笑 しかも落ちたやつは記憶消されてるとかありそうじゃん?ギャル+33
BaitoDesuFate
原文
Reading the comments I feel like people have the wrong expectations of what an actual redemption is, it to be fair it's kinda fault of the inumerous cheap redemptions arcs that character have in general. But one that I seeing a lot is 'I hope she has a backstory to justify this', but like that not the point of redemption, her backstory it's not going to make Agott putting Coco in danger and being toxic to her a good thing, it just gives an option to give more context rather than might lighten the blow but not nulify it. The important factor for a redemption is a sense of guilty that never goes away really and working towards being a better person, being a likable character or justifiable should not be the criteria for a sucessful redemption.
コメント読んでると、みんな「本当の更生」ってものを勘違いしてる気がする。まあ、キャラクターによくある安っぽい更生エピソードが多すぎるのも原因だけどね。よく見かけるのは「彼女の行動を正当化する過去編がほしい」って意見だけど、それって更生の本質じゃないと思うんだ。アゴットがココを危険に巻き込んだり毒舌だったことを、過去編があったからって良いことにできるわけじゃない。ただ、状況を深く理解できる材料になるだけで、罪が消えるわけじゃないんだよ。更生で大事なのは、消えない罪悪感を持ちながらも、より良い人間になろうと努力すること。好かれるキャラかどうかとか、正当化できるかどうかが成功の基準じゃないと思う。普通くん+252
oops_i_made_a_typi
原文
Sometimes a kid acting like a bitch is just that, and they can redeem themselves later. Doesn't mean I'll like Agott until then though. I'm more puzzled at Qifrey's frankly terrible teaching so far - is he supposed to be incompetent as a school teacher? He's barely told Coco the critical dos and donts of this society outside of the forbidden magic and secret keeping bits, letting her make all these noobie mistakes that mark her as an Outsider and making things tense among his kids. If I'm being generous, that's because he's not used to teaching kids who are completely new to magic, but his worry that Coco could die and then doing nothing (as far as we've seen so far) but scold Coco when he got back has been really offputting.
確かにアゴットに関しては「今は嫌なガキでも後で更生する」というのはその通りだと思う。ただ、それ以前にキーフリーの指導方法が明らかに問題だという考察ができる。 彼は禁術と秘密厳守以外の社会のルールをココにほとんど教えていない。その結果、彼女が初心者ミスを繰り返してアウトサイダー扱いされ、他の弟子たちとの関係がギクシャクしている。 最も気になるのは、ココが死ぬ可能性を危惧しておきながら(現時点では)何も対策せず、戻ってきてから叱るだけだった点だ。もし好意的に解釈するなら、彼が完全な初心者を教えた経験不足の現れかもしれないが、それにしても教育者として無能すぎる印象は否めない。考察くん+143
FrougHunter
原文
About the Qifrey stuff, I mean, so far he’s only teaching her the main principle and maybe a very few drawing practices, we saw him going outside more often and letting his apprentice socialize, while he presumably doing more investigation on the evil witches. I’ll cut him some slack, the other apprentice were already taught these fundamentals before they became an apprentice, so of course the 3 girls are far more competent than Coco. Like c’mon man he’s literally about to buy her a new wand to fit her style, i don’t even think she’s been there long enough to be ready for ANYTHING at the moment.
同意。キーフリーの件だけど、今のところ彼は基本原則と少しの描画練習を教えてるだけだよね。外に連れ出して弟子を社交的にさせつつ、自分は悪い魔女の調査を進めてる感じ。 他の弟子はもう基礎を習得してから弟子になったわけで、そりゃ3人の女の子はココよりずっとできるよね。彼女に合った新しい杖を買ってあげようとしてるし、まだそこに来て間もないんだから何かを期待するのは無理だと思うわ。普通くん+37
TickleMyCake
Just to add some push back but, what about not interfering with a witch while they are drawing bit. It just seems like that’s big thing to leave out on during a lesson. Not to say he’s not a great teacher but maybe it is just the fact he has to much on his plate right now.
せやな、でも描いてる最中に邪魔すんなってアレ、授業で教え忘れてるっぽくね?キーフリーがダメ教師ってわけじゃないけど、今は色々抱えすぎてるんちゃうか。2ちゃん+18
Primary_Frame_5073
原文
Thank you for this! I'm a manga reader, so I'll be refraining from commenting too much in these threads, however it seems that the conditioning from various poorly-executed redemption arcs in media has made people wary to trust the authors process and/or rendered them completely unaware of what actually makes a good redemption arc. Like you said, tragic backstories aren't enough to entirely rectify the relationship between two characters, so seeing people spam that comment is very disheartening.
この指摘には同意せざるを得ない。漫画読者として深く語りたいところだが、控えよう。ただ、多くの作品で安易な更生劇が量産された結果、視聴者が作者の意図を信用できなくなっているのは確かだ。本来の更生とは単なる悲劇的な過去の開示で済むものではなく、キャラクター間の関係性を根本から再構築するプロセスが必要なのに、その本質を見誤ったコメントが溢れているのは残念でならない。考察くん+79
unga_bunga_mage
Thorfinn was way worse than Agott is until he started farming.
せやな、トルフィンの方がアゴットよりガチでやばかったンゴwww 農耕始めるまではな。2ちゃん+13
Doomroar
> The important factor for a redemption is a sense of guilty that never goes away really and working towards being a better person, being a likable character or justifiable should not be the criteria for a sucessful redemption. In short she just needs to say she is sorry about her actions, and stop being an asshole
確かに。償いで大事なのは罪悪感を持ち続けて改善しようとすることであって、キャラが好かれるかどうかは関係ないよね。彼女はただ謝って、嫌な態度をやめるだけでいいんだと思う。普通くん+8
moletoon
Tfw when you get whisked into a high level dungeon by the main antagonist during a supposed free roam after just finishing the tutorial, I hate when main quests do that. I guess we're kicking off agott slander arc fr today, if it hasnt already last week.
草、チュートリアル終わった直後のフリーダム探索中にラスボスに高難易度ダンジョンに拉致されるあるあるやん。メインクエストのクソ仕様マジで腹立つわ。 アガット叩き編、先週から始まってなかったっけ?今日もガチで開幕キタなwww2ちゃん+248
CrookedDesk
Agott is the true antagonist of the series so far I stg
確かに。Agottが真のラスボス説、俺もそれマジで思ってたわ。この展開エモすぎてしんどいッ!感情くん+68
Jaskand
原文
Can you blame her though? I think anyone would hate Coco in her position. She works hard to become an apprentice. Coco essentially commits a crime and gets the same result. Then her irresponsibility just put Agott and two of her (close?) friends in grave danger. And not only is she not showing any remorse for her actions, she straight up is sabotaging their efforts to save everyone's lives. Like sure it was an accident but I don't think Agott is the unreasonable one this episode.
せやな、でもアゴットの気持ちも分からんでもないわ 必死で修行して弟子になったのに、ココは犯罪同然の方法で同じポジション得て、しかも自分の無責任さでアゴットと仲間2人を危険に巻き込んだんや なのにココは反省もせずに、みんなを救う努力を台無しにしてるんやで 事故とはいえ、今回のアゴットが理不尽とは思えへんな2ちゃん+65
CyanSorrow
原文
Agott literally put Coco in grave danger by pushing her through the portal, telling her to do the test with no knowledge or permission, and even giving her the flying shoes that she didn't know how to use. Ain't no shot Agott has any ground to stand on complaining about Coco putting them in danger. Especially when they chased her and she didn't ask them to be there. Agott intentionally tried to harm Coco before. Coco here was followed by the girls and they all tripped into danger. Agott is still the villain.
確かにそれは言えるな。アガットはココをポータルに突き飛ばして、知識も許可もないまま試験を受けさせて、使い方もわからない飛ぶ靴まで渡して危険な目に遭わせたんだから、今さらココが危険を招いたとか言う資格ないだろ。特に彼女たちが勝手に追いかけてきたわけで、ココが頼んだわけじゃないし。アガットは前にわざとココを傷つけようとしたしな。今回だってココは彼女たちについてこられただけで、みんなで危険に転がり込んだんだ。やっぱりアガットが悪役だよ。普通くん+85
Significant_Number68
The hate in this episode was justified, last week's it wasn't. She basically attempted murder and framed it as "I hate people that can't do anything" and when Coco bossed up she still refused to give her credit. F*** Agott
確かに今回のアガットは擁護できんわ。先週のはまだしも、今回はガチで殺人未遂やん。しかも「何もできんやつが嫌い」とか言い訳して、ココが成長したら認めようとしないし。マジでアガットはクソやわ。2ちゃん+81
Escobar3y
Man Coco working my nerves girl doesn't use much of her brain.
確かにココは頭使わなさすぎてイライラするわ普通くん+10
hikoboshi_sama
When you're randomly exploring Limgrave and suddenly the chest you opened starts releasing smoke
ワイが勝手にリムグレイブ探索してたら開けた宝箱から煙が出てきて強制転送されたンゴwww 草生える2ちゃん+12
ahses3202
My wife didn't understand why I muttered "fucking Caelid" under my breath but the real ones know
「リムグレイブで適当に探索してたら開けた宝箱から煙が出てくる」 それな。「くそったれケイリッド」って思わず呟いちゃうよね。妻には理解されなかったけど、わかる人にはわかるんだよな。普通くん+7
FennlyXerxich
This is the type of spell Frieren would fight a greater demon to get
わかるッ!フリーレンが大悪魔と戦ってでも手に入れそうな魔法すぎるッ!感情くん+237
ali94127
We definitely need Stark for this dragon.
確かに、このドラゴンにはシュタルクが必要だね。普通くん+64
JzanderN
Her master told her that's the kind of skirts some men like...
「師匠が言ってた、ああいうスカートを好む男もいるんだって…」 これには泣いた。エモすぎる。感情くん+56
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
I know Coco should probably not have run off after that evil witch. It was reckless. But you know what? Agott chewing her out like that really annoyed me. This brat wants to talk about putting people in danger? Really? After what she did to Coco last week? I don’t remember an apology for that stunt either. Coco has had like barely any time at all to learn about magic and the rules of how it all works. She’s new. Very new. Not everyone’s a damn prodigy like Agott. It’s ridiculous the amount of hate and resentment she gets from that brat. I really wish Qifrey would talk to her about her attitude and behavior. Kid needs to be reprimanded for her bullshit.
ココがあの魔女を追いかけたのは無謀だったと思うけどさ。でもアガットがああやって叱るのはムカついたな。お前が人を危険に巻き込むなって言うのか?先週ココにやったこと忘れたの?あの時も謝罪なかったよね。 ココは魔法について学び始めて間もないんだ。超初心者だよ。みんながアガットみたいな天才じゃないんだよ。あの子から受ける嫌がらせや恨みは酷すぎる。キーフリーにはアガットの態度についてちゃんと話してほしいわ。あのガキは叱られるべきだ。普通くん+231
Zemahem
Definitely agreed. The reaction to Coco's mistakes is understandable in a vacuum. But out of everyone who could get angry at her, she deserves it the least. I really hope Agott's own awful behavior gets called out and she makes up for it. I would hate it if this leads to Coco "proving herself" to her, and then they become friends, skipping that step entirely.
確かに同意だ。ココのミスに対する反応がゼロから見れば理解できるのは分かる。でも、怒る資格があるとしたら、アガットが一番最後だと思う。 アガット自身の酷い態度がちゃんと指摘されて、彼女がそれを償う展開になってほしい。ココが「自分を証明」してからいきなり友情成立、というステップを飛ばす展開だけは避けてほしい。考察くん+121
Prof_Acorn
原文
>I really hope Agott's own awful behavior gets called out and she makes up for it. I would hate it if this leads to Coco "proving herself" to her, and then they become friends, skipping that step entirely. This times a thousand. I hate that trope in fiction where the bully's bullying is validated by the bullied person "earning" their respect and they never face a single consequence for their shitty personality.
せやな。Agottのクソみたいな行動もちゃんと糾弾されて、彼女が償う展開になってほしいわ。 Cocoが「実力で認めさせる」→そのまま友情ルート、みたいな展開はマジでやめてほしい。 これマジで1000倍同意。 いじめっ子がいじめられた側に「実力で認められる」ことでそのクソ性格が正当化されて、一切報いを受けないトロープはガチで嫌いやわ。2ちゃん+53
Zemahem
原文
Yes, it is just the worst when it happens. It puts the onus on the person being treated badly to just "be better" so the other character has no more reason to treat them badly. As if they had a valid reason in the first place. And it's like the story is saying it's okay to be a dick as long as the person is good at their job. Or hell, sometimes they don't even need to be. The protagonist just decides to become a doormat for this one person.
確かに。被害者側が「もっと我慢しろ」みたいな空気になるの最悪だよね。最初から相手に非があるのに。 それに「仕事ができるなら性格悪くてもOK」みたいなメッセージに見えるのが嫌。いや、仕事すらできなくても主人公が勝手に都合よく使われるパターンもあるし。普通くん+16
theblazingsword
Agreed, Agott bullying Coco and putting Coco's life at risk seems like such a disproportionate response to whatever petty grudge she has. I would love it if Qifrey could call out Agott out on her bullshit.
同意。アゴットがココをいじめ、結果的にココの命を危険にさらしたのは、彼女の些細な個人的な恨みに対する反応としては明らかに過剰だと思われる。キーフリーがアゴットのその理不尽な行動をバシッと指摘してくれる展開を期待したい。考察くん+68
Yellowben
> disproportionate response to whatever petty grudge she has Classism is a hell of a drug
確かに、アガットのココへのいじめ方は度が越してるよね。単なる個人的な恨みってより、階級意識がそうさせてる感じがする。普通くん+40
BosuW
Agott really treating Coco like she killed _her_ mother.
確かにアゴットの反応やばくね?笑 まるでココが自分の母親殺したみたいな態度じゃん!ギャル+57
Divinicus1st
Last week Coco basically made magic with mud for ink and a rock for pen... so about that prodigy think, I think Coco is great.
確かにアガットは怒ってたけど、ココは泥でインク、石でペン作って魔法使ったわけだし…天才って言うならココも十分すごいと思うよ。普通くん+19
fatalystic
I think that was probably her wrapping a scrap of cloth from her ink-soaked bag (the ink spilt at some point) around a rock, then wetting it slightly so it would come off at least a bit.
確かに!ココは泥インクと石ペンで魔法をやっちゃったんだよな…あのシーン、天才すぎて鳥肌立ったわ。しかもインク染みた袋の布切れを石に巻いて、ちょっと湿らせて使ったって考察もなるほどって感じ!エモすぎるッ!感情くん+8
toilodi
Yeah... no, fuck Agott she is literally the last person to have the right to lash out at anyone for putting people in danger and since Qifrey apparently did not say anything after the last incident, I can assume that although he looks kind, he probably does not care all that much about his students.
確かに…いや、アガットには他人を危険にさらしたことで怒る資格は全くないと思う。キーフレイも前回の件で何も言わなかったみたいだし、優しそうに見えて実は生徒のことをあまり気にしてないんじゃないかな。普通くん+21
Significant_Bear_137
>Not everyone’s a damn prodigy like Agott She is no prodigy, after this episode she is officially on fraud watch for me.
まじそれな!笑 アガット天才扱いされてるけど、今回の話見てから「こいつやばくね?」って思ったわ〜ギャル+12
KonoHidenoriDa
"I have no time to redo the magic circle" *Richeh doing several smaller ones with ease in the background*
「魔法陣を描き直す時間なんてない」 *その背後でリチェが軽々と小さな魔法陣をいくつも描いてる* 確かにアガットは天才じゃないかもな。この回で完全に疑惑の目が向けられたわ。普通くん+20
JzanderN
> I know Coco should probably not have run off after that evil witch. It was reckless. But you know what? Agott chewing her out like that really annoyed me. It's not like Agott was *entirely* wrong about Coco at that moment either, but she's clearly holding on some unjustified frustrations towards Coco that all came out at that moment and make it really difficult to get on her side.
同意。アゴットの言い分も分からんでもないけど、あのタイミングでああいう叱り方されるとムカつくンゴwww 明らかにアゴットの中に溜まってたココへの理不尽なフラストレーションが爆発しただけやん。あれじゃあ味方できへんわ。2ちゃん+9
Dioscur1
scooby doo ahh chase scene
スクービードゥーみたいな追跡シーンすぎるッ!笑うしかないw感情くん+227
survivalsnake
The apprentices did initially split up and they are trying to unmask a villain, so the parallels don't stop!
確かに!見習いたちも最初に別れて行動するし、悪役の正体を暴こうとしてるし、パラレルはまだまだあるね。普通くん+67
diacewrb
They need to set a trap in the next episode.
せやな、次回で罠を張らなきゃな。伏線回収楽しみやわwww2ちゃん+33
Thomas_JCG
Ah yes, the four elements: Water, Earth, Fire... LEVITATION. WHY IS IT NOT AIR OR WIND? Animation remains movie tier, everything is moving and full of life! And I can't believe we got one Scooby-Doo corridor chase, brief as it was. Sucks for Coco, though, she is just getting strays for something that really was not her fault.
ああそうそう、四大元素:水、地、火…浮遊。なんで風とか空気じゃないんだよ! アニメーションは映画級だな、全部が動いてて生き生きしてる!それにスクービー・ドゥーみたいな廊下チェイスシーンも一瞬あったし。でもココには気の毒だよな、全然彼女のせいじゃないのに八つ当たりされてるし。普通くん+228
Professional_No1
>THE SIGIL OF LEVITATION, A GREAT MARVEL OF TRAVEL, BRINGING ACCESS TO MYRIAD LOCATIONS INACCESSIBLE BY FOOT (CLASSICALLY KNOWN AS THE **SIGIL OF WIND**)
せやな、4大元素で水・土・火…浮遊って草 なんで風とか空気ちゃうねんww でも作画はガチで映画クオリティやンゴwww2ちゃん+90
jardex22
原文
I'm guessing wind is something else entirely. I'd have to compare it to the sigils in episode 2... And back. Looks like wind and levitation have similar sigils, but they're mirrored copies, if that makes a difference. Earth also wasn't mentioned in episode 2, and light was introduced instead. Maybe the author had a slight change of heart over what the core element should be? I suppose the intro here was to show the versatility of each of them. Earth doesn't literally mean summoning rocks. It's a sign of change and transformation. Rock to sand and back again, just like how they could carve a hole in a wall by using it.
確かに。風は別物っぽいな。第2話の印と見比べてみたんだけど、浮遊と風の印は似てるけど鏡写しになってるんだよな。それが何か意味するのかはわからんけど。 あと地も第2話では触れられてなくて、代わりに光が出てきた。作者がコアになる要素をちょっと変えたのかもね。 多分この導入は、各要素の多様性を見せるためだったんだと思う。地は単に岩を呼ぶって意味じゃなくて、変化や変容を表してるんだよ。岩から砂にしたり戻したり、壁に穴を開けたりできるようにね。普通くん+20
EXP_Buff
Mirrored copies? Man, what happens when you having thin paper or a medium which has bleed through, and you end up drawing a reverse sigil on the back? Do you get both air and levitation from the same drawing? How would magic even tell what orientation the glyph was intended to be powered in?
2話のシジルと比較する必要があるという指摘、確かに興味深い視点だな。裏写りする紙や薄い媒体に描いた場合、裏面に逆転したシジルができると、同じ図柄から空気と浮遊の両方が発動する可能性があるという考察ができる。魔法がグリフの意図された向きをどう判別するのか、という問いは本質的だ。おそらく描かれた表面の物理的状態や魔力の流れが方向を決定する伏線になっていると思われる。考察くん+9
GloriousNipOnSteel
Okay but what happened with the legend of the tree and the human witch who fell in love!? I need closure!!
ちょっと待って!あの伝説の木と恋に落ちた人間の魔女の話、その後どうなったの!?続きが気になりすぎるッ!!感情くん+210
SmileyTheSmile
The woman took her pills. Free of her schizophrenia, she devoted herself to herbology and made use of the tree for magic.
ああ、あの女性は薬を飲んでたんだよ。統合失調症が治って、ハーブ学に専念して、その木を魔法に利用したって話。普通くん+77
Prof_Acorn
Origin story for LotR Ents?
せやな!あの樹の伝説と人間の魔女の恋、ワイも気になってしゃーないンゴwww 完結編まだかよ、続きよこせや!2ちゃん+56
Prof_Acorn
"Oh shit, that maple out back is pregnant!"
「えっ、裏のカエデが妊娠してるって!?」普通くん+31
Zeallfnonex
With how this was set up, I fully expect it to be not *fully* the truth, but parallel to it, and it's going to be a very important point on the origin of magic. Lots of other fantasy tend to hide truth in legend and myth, and with the silverwood tree ink being the source of magic itself, I suspect there's going to be a fundamental truth buried somewhere in this myth.
この伝説の組み立て方を見るに、完全な真実ではなく、それと並行する形で魔法の起源に関する重要なポイントになりそうだな。多くのファンタジー作品では伝説や神話に真実を隠す傾向があるし、銀木のインクが魔法そのものの源だという設定を踏まえると、この神話のどこかに根源的な真実が埋め込まれていると考察できる。考察くん+20
FarCritical
Richeh is definitely the most talented witch since getting me to crack up right after sitting through something that uncomfortable through sheer quirkiness alone is in its own tier of magic. It's kind of sobering how brutal a single momentary glance can be. Poor Coco.
リチェは確かに最強のウィッチだよ。あんな気まずいシーンの直後に、純粋な個性だけで笑わせてくるんだから、魔法の領域が違うわ。 一瞬の視線がどれだけ残酷か、考えさせられるな。ココかわいそうに。普通くん+199
Phaesimvrotos
Just realized that all 4 fall into the 4 Hogwarts houses easily. Coco is Gryffindor, Tetia Hufflepuff, Richeh Ravenclaw and Agott Slytherin.
それな!4人をホグワーツの寮に当てはめるのめっちゃ分かるわ笑 ココはグリフィンドール、テティアはハッフルパフ、リチェはレイブンクロー、アガットはスリザリンって感じじゃん?まじでぴったりすぎる!ギャル+9
lasse1408
Lol so 0 consequences for Agott after she tried to indirectly kill Coco? Not only that she continued to harass Coco this episode too.
草www アゴット、ココを間接的に殺そうとしたのに何の罰もないんか?しかも今回もココに絡み続けてるし。せめて説教くらいあってもええやろ2ちゃん+190
Se7en_Sinner
I'm expecting Agott to straight up call Coco a slur next episode...muggle.
確かにアゴットのココへの態度は酷いよね。でも彼女も成長していくキャラだから、今後の展開に期待したいところ。普通くん+149
Frontier246
I love how she's like "I didn't intentionally say 'dead end' as an insult to Coco...but I'm fine with you taking it that way"
せやな、アガットの「わざと行き止まりって言ったわけじゃない…でもそう取ってくれても構わないけど」ってスタンス好きやわwww クソリプにしか見えへんの草2ちゃん+83
thelightlovekindled
It's actually worse in Japanese because "this place" is said as "koko" -- she literally said "let's leave "koko/Coco" behind" and then had to clarify "koko like this area." It probably *was* an innocent mistake but it also would have been a HUGE slap in the face for poor Coco...
確かに日本語のほうがよりヤバいね。「ここ」って言ったらどうしても「Coco」に聞こえるし、わざわざ「この場所のほうの『ここ』ね」って訂正する流れも辛い。たぶん悪気はなかったんだろうけど、ココからしたらマジで顔面ビンタ食らった気分だったと思う…普通くん+98
Demolosse001
Honestly, if not for their (so far) very questionable methods, I would be on the side of the brimmed hat witches. They want to spread magic and make it accesible to everyone. I would love to see Agott's elistist face if she had to interact with more "muggles" lol
【返信】 マジでアガットが次回ココに「マグル」って呼び捨てにするの草ァwww でもな、つば広帽の魔女たちのやり方は正直アレやけど、魔法を広めたいって理念自体はワイも賛成やで。 アガットのエリート面、もっと「マグル」と接する機会作ったら面白いのになww2ちゃん+18
Atharaphelun
I get the feeling they might even be the actual good guys.
確かに、彼らが実は真の善玉側かもしれないって気がするな。普通くん+15
mekerpan
Somehow I do not think the brimmed hat people are really about the democratization of magic, but rather about maximizing chaos (for some reason not yet disclosed).
せやな、つば広帽連中は魔法の民主化とか言うより、ただのカオス最大化狙ってるだけちゃうか?(理由はまだ明かされてないけどな)2ちゃん+8
koteshima2nd
I would have said mudblood, but Coco was basically a muggle before discovering what magic was
「マグル」じゃなくて「マッドブラッド」って言いそうだけどな。でもココは魔法を知る前は完全にマグルだったもんな。確かに。普通くん+6
WhoiusBarrel
Bless Coco's heart for still wanting to get closer with Agott but even Qifrey had to be able to see how much hatred she has directed towards Coco. Even more upsetting was that with Tetia's sudden outburst, only gave Agott more confidence and justifcation that ostracising her was the power play to get rid off Coco.
ココがそれでもアゴットと距離を縮めようとする心の広さには頭が下がるけど、キーフリーですらアゴットがココに向ける憎悪の深さに気づいてたはずだよな。 さらにタチが悪いのは、テティアの突然の激昂がアゴットに「ココを排斥するのは正しい行動だ」という確信と正当性を与えてしまった点だ。あれで彼女は「追放こそが最強の切り札」と確信したんだろうな。考察くん+77
Frontier246
Coco is a pure Heroine driven by her love for magic and her mother. even in a crisis situation she still complimented the cool magic of her resident hater and even when Tetia kind of turned on her, she still picked up Tetia's cap for her. If nothing else I feel like that endearing quality might win the other girls over.
確かに。ココは純粋な主人公だよね。危機的状況でも天の邪鬼なアガットの魔法を素直にすごいって褒めるし、テティアにちょっとキツく当たられても帽子を拾ってあげるし。そういう愛されポイントで他の子たちもいつか心開くんじゃないかな。普通くん+16
lasse1408
I'm ngl I don't think she needs to be friends with this girls at all. Hope she will find better people to be friends with.
確かに。あの子たちと無理に友達になる必要ないと思う。もっといい友達に出会えることを願うよ。感情くん+21
Syokhan
To play devil's advocate, while she wasn't exactly friendly before, in this episode she only went off on Coco when the spell she was drawing got ruined right in the middle of a stressful situation. Her comments when she did were really hurtful and unnecessary though, that's true.
確かに彼女の言い分も分かるよ。前から友好的だったわけじゃないけど、今回のエピソードでココにキレたのはストレスフルな状況の真っ最中に描いてた魔法が台無しになったからだしね。でも、あの時のコメントは確かに傷つけるし余計だったな。普通くん+37
Chikumori
原文
Agott's a red flag for trying to dupe Coco into failing an exam, sure. She did have a point on Coco, though. - too impulsive at drawing magic circles without knowing what they mean = bam, mom and home gone - too impulsive and went to chase a suspicious person = bam, teleported somewhere else - either she heard Agott and the girls wanting to draw spells and it didn't register in her mind not to disturb them. Coco herself already said she has a hard time drawing spells nicely 1st situation: learnt Qifrey was a witch, didn't bother to ask him about the book she got. FAFO. 2nd situation: saw the suspicious dude and didn't bother to inform Qifrey or her colleagues before chasing. Dude already gave you a book with malicious spells, didn't bother to think he might have further malicious intent? FAFO. 3rd situation: Is as Agott already explained, don't disturb the drawing process; ignorant indeed. Coco could have just verbally asked instead of touching/pushing a person. There's one thing about being a newbie, its a different thing to be careless though.
アゴットがココを試験に落とそうとしたのは確かにレッドフラッグだよな。 ただ、ココにも問題があったという考察ができる。 - 意味も分からず衝動的に魔法陣を描いて→母親と家を失う - 怪しい人物を衝動的に追いかけて→別の場所に転送される - アゴットたちが呪文を描いているのを知りながら邪魔する。ココ自身も魔法陣をうまく描けないと言っていた 1つ目:キーフリーが魔女だと知ったのに、もらった本について聞かなかった。自業自得。 2つ目:怪しい男を見かけても、仲間やキーフリーに知らせず追いかけた。既に悪意ある呪文の本を渡されているのに、さらに悪意がある可能性を考えなかった。これも自業自得。 3つ目:アゴットが言った通り、描画中は邪魔するな。無知だったのは確かだが、押す前に口で言うべきだった。 新人であることと不注意であることは別問題だというのが俺の見解だ。考察くん+28
Significant_Bear_137
>too impulsive at drawing magic circles without knowing what they mean = bam, mom and home gone It was literally disguised as a children's book. A kid who doesn't know anything about magic is not going to suspect that a children's book contains forbidden spells that can cause disaster.
確かに、アガットがココに試験を落とさせるのは危険な行為だよね。でもココにも問題があったのは分かるよ。 - 魔法陣の意味も知らずに衝動的に描いた結果、母親と家を失った - 子供向けの本に偽装されてたとはいえ、魔法について何も知らない子供が、その本に危険な禁術が含まれてるなんて疑うはずないじゃん普通くん+55
ali94127
> She did have a point on Coco, though. - too impulsive at drawing magic circles without knowing what they mean = bam, mom and home gone To be fair, the magic circles were definitely not labelled. Big leap from sparkle and fire magic to turn everything in a large house into crystals magic.
同意。アゴットがココに試験を失敗させようとしたのは確かに危険な行動だけど、彼女の指摘にも一理あると思う。魔法陣に意味も分からず衝動的に描いた結果、母と家を失ったわけだからな。 ただ公平に見ると、あの魔法陣には確かにラベルがなかった。キラキラした火花や火の魔法から、いきなり大きな家の中身全部を結晶化させる魔法への飛躍はデカすぎる。制作陣の意図として、この辺りの伏線が今後のココの成長にどう繋がるか気になるな。考察くん+36
JOOOQUUU
This some prime Deku/Bakugo stuff
確かにアガットの行動は結構ヤバかったよね。でもデクと爆豪みたいな関係って考えると納得できるかも。普通くん+28
Frontier246
Agott: "Go kill yourself, Coco."
「デクと爆豪の関係すぎるッ!アガットが『ココ、死ね』って言うシーン、完全にそれだわ。エモすぎて泣いた」感情くん+36
theblazingsword
Agreed, and the comments are always full of "Bakugo is misunderstood, he said sorry" as if he didn't torment Deku for years.
確かに。でもコメント欄いつも「バクゴーは誤解されてる、謝ったじゃん」って言う人いるけど、何年もデクを虐めてきたのは無視だよね。普通くん+22
Zemahem
Yeah that sucked too. I always hate that kind of dynamic. The type where a character is consistently treated horribly by another character, but they can barely bring themself to fight back because they respect the other too much despite them being such an asshole.
確かに、デクと爆豪の関係にも通じるものがあるな。あの構図、個人的にはあまり好きじゃないんだよな。一方が徹底的に酷い扱いを受けているのに、相手をリスペクトしすぎて反撃もままならないっていう。あれって、キャラクターの成長を阻害する要因にもなりかねないし、制作側が意図的に描いてるとしても、視聴者としてもどかしさが募るばかりだ。考察くん+20
hitmobilegamehsr
Yup, really disappointed in the show for just moving on like nothing happened. Not a single stern comment from Quifrei lmao. Wtf
確かに、アガットがココを間接的に殺そうとしたのに何のペナルティもないのは納得いかないよな。キーフレイも一言も厳しく注意しないし、マジでガッカリだわ。普通くん+20
Druplesnubb
Qifrey doesn't know
確かに!キーフリー知らないしね笑 まじで展開雑すぎじゃね?って思ったわギャル+8
hitmobilegamehsr
How would he not? How else would Coco have gone there.
どうして知らないわけあるんだよッ!ココがそこに行けた理由、それ以外に考えられないだろ!感情くん+15
KillysgungoesBLAME
If I’m Qifrey and I’m charged with teaching and taking care of the students living under my care I’m asking a hell of a lot more questions about how and why something that risked the life of one of my charges happened in my absence. Anything less is just frankly negligence.
確かに、キーフリーならもっと色々聞くべきだよな。自分の不在中に生徒の命を危険にさらすようなことが起きたなら、理由や経緯を徹底的に追求するのが当然だと思う。それ以下は単なる怠慢だわ。普通くん+9
Demolosse001
Nah only Coco gets to be verbally abused and reprimanded for (unvoluntary and understandable) actions while willing and malicious perpetrators like Agott are fine...
せやな、アゴットは間接的にココ殺そうとしたのにノーダメやん。しかもその後もココに嫌がらせ続けてるし。ワイ的にはココだけが(無意識で理解できるとはいえ)怒られて、アゴットみたいな意図的で悪意ある奴はスルーっておかしくね?草2ちゃん+14
Falsus
Most likely Qifrey doesn't know Agott forced her cause Coco ain't a snitch and Agott obviously won't say something that will get her a punishment.
確かに。アゴットがココを間接的に殺そうとしたのに何の罰もないっておかしくない!?しかもその後もココにちょっかい出し続けててイライラするわ。でもココがチクらないし、アゴットも自分から罰を受けるようなこと言わないんだろうな。しんどい。感情くん+12
Frontier246
I at least admire Agott's consistency in being Coco's most persistent hater.
それな!アガット、ココへの嫌がらせはマジで一貫してるよね笑 そこだけは認めるわ〜ギャル+10
Nachtwandler_FS
To be fair, this time it was deserved. Everyone probably thinks that Coco did the exam on her own volition, and she herself does not tell anyuone Agott pushed her, but it is still odd Qifrey did not try to investigate the thing.
確かに、今回は仕方ない面もあるかもね。 みんなココが自分の意志で試験を受けたと思ってるし、本人もアガットに押されたことを誰にも言ってないしな。でもキーフリーがそれについて調べようとしなかったのはちょっと変だと思う。普通くん+5
Fangzzz
Qifrey did probe her with the "how are you getting along with Agott" question
確かに!キーファが「アゴットとはどう?」って探り入れてきたのは完全に読めてたし、ココが自ら試験を受けたって思われてるのは当然すぎるッ!感情くん+15
Apprehensive_Law7969
i genuinely wanted coco to punch her when she said that shit ngl
確かに、あの場面でココが一発かましてほしかった気持ちはめっちゃわかるわ普通くん+6
NationalStrategy
How did Qifrey not notice them leaving the store, was he in the bathroom?
え、Qifreyまじで気づかなかったの!?トイレ行ってたってこと!?やばくね笑ギャル+159
Le_Nabs
Hyperfocus is a bitch...
確かに、集中しすぎると周り見えなくなるよね。普通くん+155
NationalStrategy
Qifrey: Man, Coco’s gonna love this new magic pe- Where’d they go?
確かに!ハイパーフォーカスってマジでやばいよね笑 「ココ喜ぶだろーな〜」って思ったらもうどっか行っちゃってて草ギャル+95
Zeallfnonex
原文
Granted, I was a kid, but I have gotten lost *so many times* in a store when I got too engrossed in a book/something on the shelf, and I look up... and my family's moved on to a different aisle. You'd think it'd stop happening, but it never did... Phones helps a lot with finding things afterwards... On that minor note, are there no magicks that'd help with communication like this? A 2-way notebook or something or two linked pens (kinda like Stormlight Archive spanreeds?) would be really useful...
それな、ワイもガキの頃しょっちゅう店で迷子になってたわ… 本読み過ぎて気づいたら家族が別の通路にいて、何回もやらかしたンゴwww 大人になっても治らんかったわ…今はスマホがあるからマシやけどな。 で、本題やけど、こういう時に使える魔法ってないんか? 双方向ノートとか連動ペン(Stormlight Archiveの連絡ペンみたいなやつ)あれば超便利やろなあ…2ちゃん+11
diacewrb
He was too busy browsing.
確かに、本に夢中で気づかなかったんだろうね。普通くん+46
Raknel
He was upstairs, probably chatting with the owner.
確かに!上にいたんだろうな、店主と話してたんだと思う。でも気づかないってありえなくない?集中しすぎだろ!感情くん+40
unga_bunga_mage
Imagine if Qifrey had IBS. Can't cure yourself because that's forbidden.
確かにそれな。もしキーフリーが過敏性腸症候群だったら、自分で治せないから詰むなw普通くん+9
Ponchorello7
I get what they're doing with Agott as it's an ancient character trope at this point, but damn she is unlikeable.
わかるわかる!アゴットのキャラって古典的なテンプレだよね〜でもマジでムカつくんだけど!笑ギャル+134
WhoiusBarrel
It'll be really interesting to see how this series redeems her or at least makes her tolerable to be on screen with Coco.
確かにアゴットは今のところめっちゃ嫌なキャラだよね。でもこのシリーズがどうやって彼女を更生させるか、少なくともココと一緒にいて許容できる存在にするか、見物だな。普通くん+45
RaidenXYae
i really hope they don't just escape and pretend this never happened and are suddenly besties
せやな、ただ逃げてなかったことにして急に仲良しになる展開はやめてほしいンゴwww2ちゃん+39
Metalbound
Well it seems like they already are pretending that a child didn't just sent another child into a life threatening situation for a trial she had no right to give. Not a word from Quifrey last episode or this one... Not a fan of that choice.
確かに、子供が他の子供を命の危険にさらすような状況に追い込んだのに、もうなかったことにしてる感じあるよね。 キーフリーも前回も今回も何も言わないし… その選択は好きじゃないな。普通くん+28
CooroSnowFox
it's only ep. 4... and we've got 14 volumes of content, and I doubt she does the pack her bags and move into a villains castle type story with this series...
確かに!まだ4話だし、原作14巻分もあるしね。このシリーズで彼女が「荷物まとめて悪役の城に引っ越す」みたいな展開になるとは思えないけど、どうやってココと一緒に映るのが耐えられるキャラになるのか気になりすぎるッ!感情くん+22
jad-dee95
Fr I can understand a little jealousy since coco is getting some preferential treatment (understandably so) but it gets to a point
確かに!ココが特別扱いされてるから嫉妬する気持ちはわかるんだけどさ〜、でも限度あるじゃん!アガットはマジで好感度下がりまくりなんだけど笑ギャル+31
SmileyTheSmile
I mean, she ran after the clueless newbie so she wouldn't get lost in the city and was put into a death trap because of that. You'd be way more justified with calling her unlikeable last episode, this one's a pretty valid crashout, especially for a kid.
確かに、前回のアゴットは確かに嫌な感じだったけど、今回は無知な新人を追いかけて街で迷子にならないようにした結果、罠にハマったんだからな。子供ならあれくらいキレても仕方ないと思うよ。普通くん+11
Fools_Requiem
She also tricked Coco into doing a dangerous test knowing full well Coco wouldn't succeed...
せやな、ワイもそう思うわ。あの新米が迷子にならんように追いかけた結果が罠にかかるって、マジで不憫すぎやろ。ついでにココが絶対成功せんって分かってて危険なテストやらせたのも草生えるわ。あの師匠、ガチで性格悪いンゴwww2ちゃん+18
KonoHidenoriDa
Instead of search for the teacher...
確かに、先生を探すんじゃなくてなんでああなったんだろうね。普通くん+7
Zemahem
原文
It's cool that something as simple as the fit of one's pen can have a significant impact on one's abilities. Really hammers in how tactile this magic system feels. And I also liked how Richeh, instead of using one big symbol, stacked the effects of multiple smaller ones to achieve the same effect. Seems like we're already getting a taste of how creative they can be. I love that Brushbuddy got brought back by Coco and immediately became their mascot going forward without much fuss. And then he proceeded to come in clutch at the very end. Brushbuddy best boi confirmed. Here I thought the moment where Coco saw the masked witch, it would be one of those scenes where the character suddenly disappears after something or someone passes by. It made me laugh when they literally just ran away. Definitely not a fan of Agott at all currently, though. Not only does she get away scott free for the potentially dangerous stunt she pulled on Coco, but *she* gets to tear her down in this episode? I'm gonna be very disappointed if her horrible attitude doesn't get called out properly at some point, and Coco just keeps getting treated like a doormat that can't even stand up for herself for being treated like that. Qifrey's also doing poorly in my eyes right now. I get he's a busy guy that must be dealing with a lot. But this is the second time in a row that he left his apprentices by themselves and they almost immediately got in trouble. Mind you, one of them is immensely important to getting info on the enemy witch faction (and while they don't know it yet, actually seems even more important than that, judging by the masked witch referring to her as their savior).
ペンの持ち心地みたいな些細な要素が能力に影響を及ぼすって、すごく興味深い設定だよな。この魔法体系がどれほど触覚的かがよくわかる。それにリチェが大きな記号を一つ使う代わりに、複数の小さな記号の効果を積み重ねて同じ結果を出したのも良かった。もうすでに彼らがどれだけ創造的になれるかの一端が見えた気がする。 ブラッシュバディがココに連れ戻されて、すぐにそのままマスコットになった流れも好き。しかも最後の最後で大活躍。ブラッシュバディは正真正銘の最優秀ボーイだな。 ココが仮面の魔女を見た瞬間、誰かが通り過ぎた後に消えるような展開になるかと思ったら、まさか文字通り逃げ出すとは思わなくて笑った。 でも今のところアゴットは全然好きになれないな。ココに危険な真似をしたのに何のお咎めもなしで、しかも今回のエピソードでは彼女がココを貶める側に回ってる。このひどい態度がちゃんと糾弾されずに、ココがずっと踏み台扱いされて自分を守れないままだと、かなりがっかりする。 キーフリーも現時点では評価が下がってる。忙しくて色々抱えてるのはわかるけど、弟子たちを放置したらすぐにトラブルに巻き込まれてるのがこれで二度目だ。しかもそのうちの一人は敵対魔女組織の情報を得る上で極めて重要な存在で(まだ彼らは知らないけど、仮面の考察くん+119
MortalWombat5
> Qifrey's also doing poorly in my eyes right now. I get he's a busy guy that must be dealing with a lot. But this is the second time in a row that he left his apprentices by themselves and they almost immediately got in trouble. They were in the middle of a normally safe city. It is understandable that Qifrey didn't anticipate a magical terrorist attack in broad daylight.
確かに。キーフリーも今のところあまり良くない印象だね。忙しいのは分かるし色々抱えてるんだろうけど、弟子たちを置き去りにしてすぐトラブルに巻き込まれるのが2回連続ってのはなあ。普段は安全な街のど真ん中だったし、まさか昼間に魔法テロが起きるとは予想できなかったのは分かるけどさ。普通くん+94
Zemahem
He doesn't have to be prepared for something that big. But considering last episode's incident, he could've at least kept a closer eye on his apprentices, cause he has reason to expect that they would end up in trouble again (that doesn't necessarily involve a terrorist attack).
確かに、あの大規模な事件に備える必要はなかったのかもしれない。ただ前回の出来事を踏まえると、少なくとも弟子たちにもう少し目を配ることはできたはずだ。彼らが再びトラブルに巻き込まれる可能性(必ずしもテロ攻撃とは限らないが)を予測できたのだから、という考察ができる。考察くん+18
namewithak
Tbf, he was just literally upstairs in the same shop they were in. Should he tether them to his waist with a rope? 24/7 surveillance is just not feasible.
確かに、同じ店の上の階にいただけだしな。毎秒監視なんて無理があるよ。普通くん+36
manquistador
Just in general he should be paying close attention to the person that has never been to a magic city before, and how no idea what the customs are.
確かにそれな!だって魔法の街初めてなんだし、常識とかわかんないじゃん?もっとちゃんと面倒見てあげなよって思うわ〜ギャル+9
cyberscythe
原文
> Definitely not a fan of Agott at all currently, though. ... gonna be very disappointed if her horrible attitude doesn't get called out properly at some point yeah, i was expecting some sort of reprimand from Qifrey about the whole situation last episode, but all that angst and bad behavior seems to be bottled up right now i understand from a drama standpoint its effective to have the one "bad girl" in the group to keep pushing the protagonist's buttons, but it also feels like Qifrey's being a bad guardian right now, unable to read his apprentices' social situation and leaving his one-and-only lead into the taboo witch conspiracy flapping in the wind in any case, i hope Agott is the first kid to get a character arc because she could really use an attitude adjustment just for my own enjoyment
確かにアゴットは今のところ全然好きになれんわ… 前回の展開でキーフリーがちゃんと叱るかと思ったけど、あのイライラとクソ態度はまだ溜め込んでるだけやん ドラマ的に「主人公を煽る悪女枠」が必要なのは分かるンゴけど、キーフリーの弟子の社会関係読めなさすぎやし、タブー魔女の手がかり放置しすぎやろ まあワイのストレス発散のために、アゴットには真っ先にキャラアーク来てほしいわ。態度改めてくれ2ちゃん+45
KonoHidenoriDa
A simple look to Agott and "we will talk about this" could make Qifrey look better, heck, that could of been why Agott goes out after Coco arrives.
確かにアゴットの態度はキツすぎる…でも「後で話そう」って一瞥するだけでキーフリーがいい師匠に見えるし、それがココが来た後にアゴットが出ていく理由になったかもね。エモすぎるわ。感情くん+11
oops_i_made_a_typi
wouldn't even need dialogue, just a look, or even a shot of him being contemplative would go a long way to show that he even understands there's a problem here
せやな、台詞すら要らんのや。ただ一瞥するだけ、もしくは考え込むカットを入れるだけで「ちゃんと問題を理解してる感」出るやん。それがアガットの成長にも繋がったかもしれんのに、ワイはその演出欲しかったわ。2ちゃん+9
JzanderN
原文
> It's cool that something as simple as the fit of one's pen can have a significant impact on one's abilities. It makes sense, though, and I really like that rather than trying to brute force Coco to adapt (though that is important too), Qifrey acknowledges that she might just need a pen that's more suited to her hand. I was all ready to have an episode where she buys a pen that looks more like what she used as a tailor (so like what she used last episode) but, uh, that didn't happen. > Definitely not a fan of Agott at all currently, though. Not only does she get away scott free for the potentially dangerous stunt she pulled on Coco, but she gets to tear her down in this episode? It's a *little* understandable given the situation, but it's hard to really justify after Agott has clearly always had a problem with Coco and is just venting that. I don't doubt in the slightest that, one way or the other, Agott will eventually come around on Coco, though. This series gives me the vibe that it'll be a slowburn... but then again, this episode did just throw us into some plot unexpectedly quickly, so who knows!
確かに、単純にペンのフィット感が能力に影響するって考えは面白いよね。 ココに無理やり適応させるんじゃなくて、手に合うペンが必要かもってキーフリーが気づくところがいいと思う。 前回の仕立て屋時代みたいなペンを買う回になるかと思ったけど、そうはならなかったな。 アガットに関しては今のところあまり好きじゃないかな。危ない行動をとったのに無罪放免な上に、ココを貶めるってのはちょっと…状況的に理解はできるけど、元々ココに問題を抱えてたアガットが八つ当たりしてるだけにしか見えないしね。 でもいずれアガットもココを受け入れるようになると思うよ。このシリーズはじっくり展開する雰囲気があるけど、今回急に話が動き出したから何とも言えないね。普通くん+32
Zemahem
原文
Yeah, I like that the fix is just to get more suitable tools rather than just "training harder" or coming up with an unorthodox solution. But at some point, I imagine that will be more important. Such as literally right now in the situation they're in. And like how Richeh is doing by using multiple circles that are easier to complete than a single large one. And her tools and expertise as a tailor may also come in handy again later when I imagine they'll apply magic to clothing.
確かに、単に「努力しろ」とか「奇抜な方法を編み出せ」じゃなくて、適切な道具を選ぶだけで改善できるという描写は良いな。 ただ、いずれは従来の方法も重要になってくると思う。まさに今の状況がそうで、リチェが大きな円を一つ描くより、複数の小さな円を組み合わせるという工夫をしているのがその証拠だ。 彼女の仕立て屋としての知識や道具も、後々服に魔法を付与する展開で活きてくる伏線だと思われる。考察くん+11
Frontier246
原文
It also builds on the last episode where Coco had to apply a way of making a sigil that felt more familiar to her through her tailor work. I'm sure nobody questioned adopting the brushbuddy because...who in their right mind would say no? I love how they did like a mini Scooby-Doo door moment in that alley way while Coco was chasing the Bimmed Cap. Can Coco defeat Agott with kindness and a true love of magic? It's tough going so far. Honestly I've been questioning Qifrey's qualifications as a teacher since episode 2 when he just kind of left after immediately bringing Coco to the Atelier, leaving her alone with the other apprentices, and just doing the bare minimum of actually teaching her. And it really feels like he's doing a terrible job of watching over his apprentices.
確かにね。前回のエピソードでココが仕立て屋の経験を活かして自分に合った印の描き方を見つけた流れにも繋がってるし。 - 筆仲間を拒否する人なんていないよね - 路地裏でのミニスクービードゥーなドアシーン好き - ココがアゴットを優しさと魔法への愛で倒せるのか?まだ厳しそう 正直、第2話からキーフリーの教師としての資質は疑問だわ。ココを工房に連れてきていきなり放置して、他の弟子たちに任せっきりで最低限しか教えてないし。見守るのも全然できてないように感じる。普通くん+29
Prof_Acorn
"It's less what I saw and more what saw me." Love that line.
「見たものじゃなくて、見られたものだったんだ」って台詞、エモすぎるッ!優勝!感情くん+121
NationalStrategy
Agott snapping at Coco was harsh, but Tetia looking at Coco and essentially blaming her hurt more for me.
それな!アゴットがココにキレるのはまあわかるけど、テティアのあの「ココのせいでしょ」みたいな目がまじで胸に刺さったわ…。ギャル+119
CooroSnowFox
Agott and Tetia are definitely working through personal issues with how they were bought up and into magic... Tetia is easily pleased at being thanked and wants to be recognised as a good witch... Agott has a difficult path into where she is now, she's seen danger and doesn't want but also not one with people skills or ability to consider others issues to really not be seen as a massive bitch.
同意。アゴットとテティアはそれぞれの生い立ちや魔法への向き合い方で葛藤してるよね。 - テティアは感謝されるだけで嬉しくて、良い魔女として認められたい - アゴットは厳しい道を経てきたから危険を知ってるけど、他人の気持ちを考えるのが苦手で態度がきつく見えちゃう普通くん+27
ShadowGuyinRealLife
原文
I'd say in most cases Agott is too harsh on Coco especially considering Coco did pass the test just like every other apprentice. Grabbing Agott while she was drawing the escape spell was pretty stupid though, Agott has a right to be angry at that one. Coco might have seen something that could tell them how they got stuck there (or maybe it's an attack spell or some other threat), but she could have easily told Tetia instead of Agott if she couldn't wait. That would keep the one busy with a task undisturbed and as a bonus might give something for Tetia to think about other than imminent death. Any team manager would know even if not facing imminent death, new tasks should give given to idle workers instead of the busy one.
アゴットがココにキツく当たるのは大体の場合言い過ぎやと思うわ。ココだって他の見習いと同じ試験通っとるしな。でも脱出魔法描いてる時に腕掴んだのはガチでアホやろ、あれはアゴットが怒るのも当然や。ココは何か脱出の手がかり見つけたかもしれんが(攻撃魔法か他の脅威かもやけど)、待てないならアゴットよりテティアに伝えれば良かったんちゃうか。そしたら作業中の人間を邪魔せんし、テティアも死の恐怖以外に考えることができて一石二鳥や。どんなチーム管理でも、急を要さん新タスクは忙しい奴より暇な奴に振るもんやろ。2ちゃん+19
Escobar3y
Coco could also have told them from the jump she thinks she saw one of the bad witches and they could've avoided this whole mess they in,yet she doesn't and chases after the witch she a real scatter brain.
確かにアゴットのココへの態度は厳しすぎる面はある。ただ、ココも悪い魔女を見かけたことを最初に話していれば、あの騒動を避けられた可能性が高い。それをせずに追いかけたのは彼女の思考の散漫さが原因だと言わざるを得ないな。考察くん+15
greymatters_flipside
So Coco's main flaw is she has poor danger awareness with very high curiosity leading her to dangerous situations. Maybe this season we'll get to see her develop the foresight that she needs to thrive as an apprentice.
ココの欠点ってマジで危険察知能力ゼロで好奇心爆発しすぎなんよなwww 今期こそ弟子として必要な先見性を身につけるとこ見せてほしいンゴねえ2ちゃん+114
Frontier246
Admittedly she was living a fairly normal, mundane, life up to this point and has barely been in this magical world all that long so I think it's understandable that she isn't 100% aware of all the dangers around her (even if she should've known better than to chase someone willing to use forbidden magic).
確かに、彼女はそれまで普通の生活してたし、魔法の世界に来たばかりだから危険を完全に理解できないのは仕方ないよね。禁術を使う奴を追いかけるのはどうかと思うけどさ。普通くん+97
NomadPrime
原文
That, plus the desperation/stress in her not being able to save her mom (made worse through Agott's taunting) drove her to do something impulsive and stupid without much thought to her well-being. We saw it in the first episode where she broke free of Qifrey's grasp while she was high up in the air and nearly fell to her death. She's got horrible judgement when her emotions take over; judgement that she, as a child raised in a peaceful mortal society, has never had to properly iron herself against for this dangerous new world she's in.
せやな、それに加えて母親を救えなかった絶望感と焦り(アガットの挑発でさらに悪化)が、自分の安全とか考えずに衝動的なクソ行動に出たってわけやろ。第1話でキーフリーの手を振り払って高所から落ちかけたシーン見たやん。あの子、感情が暴走すると判断力ガタ落ちやねん。平和な人間社会で育ったガキが、危険だらけの魔法世界でまだちゃんと自分を律する訓練できてへんってことやな。2ちゃん+12
caiusto
To be fair that's a very dangerous combination, I'm not sure what the "Evil Organization" sees in her (considering they first approached her when she was still just a lil kid) but those two traits sound exactly like what they would enjoy.
確かに、好奇心が強くて危険察知能力が低いという組み合わせは、物語的に非常に危険な要素だ。作中で「悪の組織」が彼女に目をつけた理由、しかも彼女がまだ幼い頃から接触してきた点を考えると、この2つの特性こそが彼らにとって理想的な標的だったという考察ができる。つまり、制御しやすく、かつ未知の力に飛び込む性質を利用された可能性が高い。考察くん+41
PowerlinxJetfire
原文
To be a little fair, the previous two incidents were authority figures purposely misleading her. First, when she was a super young kid she was given a picture book designed to lull her into performing magic by an adult. Then iirc Qifrey told Agott to look out for Coco, or if I'm remembering that wrong then at the very least Agott is clearly a senpai figure in the relationship anyway. There were *some* flags in those situations, but I think she can be forgiven for missing them. This time, running after the dangerous witch, is the first one that I think she really could be blamed for. I'm guessing her intense desire to save her mom probably blotted out all reason. Understandable, even if it's not quite an excuse. (I think you're right that a major part of her growth will likely be learning to stop and think before she acts.)
ちょっと擁護すると、最初の2回は大人がわざと騙したんだよね。 ・幼い頃に大人が魔法を誘発する絵本を渡した ・キーフリーがアゴットにココを監視させてた(少なくとも先輩後輩の関係) ・確かにフラグはあったけど、見逃すのは仕方ないやろ 今回の危ない魔女を追いかけた件は初めて本人が責められるケースやな。母親を救いたい一心で理性が吹っ飛んだんだろう。言い訳にはならんが理解はできる。 (成長の鍵は行動前に立ち止まることってのは同意や)2ちゃん+25
oops_i_made_a_typi
yeah, Coco's a kid and she'll act like it. It's Qifrey's job to be clearer about the dos and donts of this whole new society so that she makes less of these mistakes.
確かに。ココは子供だし子供らしく振る舞うのは当然だよね。キーフリーがこの新しい社会のルールをもっと明確に教えるべきだと思う。そうすれば彼女もミスを減らせるはず。普通くん+11
thekoreansun
原文
You know, I really cannot understate how absolutely delightful Rena Motomura's performance as Coco has been so far. It just feels like the role she was born to play: the ever-so-slight breathlessness with which she says all of Coco's lines perfectly conveys the awe that Coco is feeling, as if she's barely keeping up with all of the magic unfolding around her. And her voice is so *dynamic*! It's like she's bouncing around the recording booth when she goes "uuu^(uu)uu^(uu)uUAAAGH" like that (and who knows, maybe she actually is). But it's her delivery of lines like this episode's "M-Magic stationer's?! It's like a dream!" that really makes her stand out as a perfect fit for Coco. If I'd been introduced to her voice and been asked to picture a face that matched it, it probably would've been Coco's; from what I'm seeing in these threads, those who read the manga are experiencing the same phenomenon in reverse. Which is why it astounds me that Coco is her first big role. Yuusuke Kobayashi as Subaru or Yoshino Aoyama as Bocchi are the only other breakout performances I can think of that are on the same level as hers in this show, and they both saw their careers blow up afterwards, so I fully expect the same to happen for Rena Motomura after Witch Hat Atelier!
本渡楓のココ役、ガチで神がかってるンゴwww 「毎回息継ぎの合間みたいに喋る感じ」が魔法の世界に圧倒されてるココにピッタリやわ。しかも声の動きがヤバい!「うううううああああ!」って叫ぶシーン、声優ブースで跳ねまくってそうやん草 「ま、魔法具店?! 夢みたい!」の台詞回しとか、完璧にココそのものやろ。 マンガ読んでた層が逆輸入で「声がココや!」ってなるのも納得。 これが初主演ってマジかよ。 スバルの小林裕介とかぼっちの青山吉能クラスの衝撃や。このままバズって本渡楓も飛躍する未来しか見えへんわ。2ちゃん+106
Frontier246
>Which is why it astounds me that Coco is her first big role.  This is a much more high-profile show but she was also the female lead of *Betrothed to My Sisters' Ex* which aired last year (and on the same day as *Silent Witch* for a magical connection). She killed it as Marie in that show but I'm also impressed by just how distinct Coco voice is from her Marie voice.
同意。ココの声とマリーの声がここまで明確に差別化されているのは、声優としての演技の幅を証明していると言える。同時間帯に放送されたサイレント・ウィッチとの繋がりも含めて、本多真梨子のキャリアにおける重要な転機になる可能性を感じるな。考察くん+24
Sleepy10105s
I was expecting a slice of life magical instrument shopping episode
日常系の魔法の楽器を買い回るエピソードを期待してた普通くん+98
cyberscythe
i was expecting a changing room montage, but with different wands instead of dresses
確かに!変身シーンの魔法版って感じで、杖の試着室とか見たかったじゃん!でもまあこれはこれでアリかも〜笑ギャル+21
finnjakefionnacake
it was. half of one thing, half the other.
確かに!半分は日常パート、半分は別の要素って感じだったよね。感情くん+7
AceSoldia
I guess I can see more of why Agott is the way she is..if I relate it to a job..Coco is the equivalent of someone getting hired with zero experience and no qualifications at my same level when I been there for five years. And then this same person almost gets me and my friends killed. If Coco wasn't the heroine and Agott was..we'd be hating on Coco too.
アゴットの性格の背景がより理解できた気がする。仕事に例えるなら、ココは自分が5年も在籍している同じポジションに、経験や資格ゼロで入ってきた新人みたいなものだ。その上、その新人のせいで自分と友人が死にかけたんだ。もしココがヒロインじゃなくて、アゴットが主人公だったら、俺たちもココを嫌ってたかもしれないな。考察くん+97
lasse1408
well if it was a job and someone said even half of things Agott said to Coco they would be instantly fired and blacklisted.
せやな、もし仕事やったらアゴットがココに言ったことの半分でも言ったら即クビ&ブラックリスト入りやろなwww2ちゃん+84
AceSoldia
Lol also true
確かにそれな!笑 まじでアゴットの言い方やばすぎるし、現実なら即クビ案件だよね〜ギャル+21
Constant-Manager-512
Also Agott kinda started a trend of trying to kill the other apprentices (in a previous episode). She probably still thinks that she didn't do anything wrong.
確かに。アゴットが他の弟子を殺そうとする流れを作ったよな(前のエピソードで)。本人はまだ悪いことしたと思ってなさそう。普通くん+24
Fangzzz
Zero qualifications apart from killing their mom by accident.
それな!ココの立場やばすぎるッ!無資格でいきなり母さん殺しちゃったって…しんどすぎて泣いた感情くん+57
AceSoldia
Lol I don't think that's a prerequisite
それな!笑 でもまじでその条件はハードル高すぎじゃね?笑ギャル+16
Fangzzz
Well I mean it does elevate Agott's contempt from this person is a liability to this person is a threat to me and my friends' lives.
確かにそれはアゴットの軽蔑が「こいつは足手まとい」から「こいつは自分と仲間の命を脅かす存在」に格上げされたってことだよね。普通くん+20
cyberscythe
it was on her resume though
いや履歴書には書いてあったンゴwww2ちゃん+15
Divinicus1st
Except it's not a job, it's a school, and that changes everything.
確かにね。仕事じゃなくて学校ってのが全てを変えてるってのはその通りだと思う。アゴットの立場も違って見えてくるよな。普通くん+19
Prof_Acorn
Coco didn't invite them on her adventure. They chose to follow. That was their decision. Also it's the brimmed hat who is doing this, not Coco. They are blaming the person they chose to follow, not the kidnapper who caught them all.
同意。ココが誘ったわけじゃなくて、奴らが勝手についてきただけやん。自分の選択やろ。 つーかやってるのはとんがり帽子の方であってココちゃうしな。奴らは自分らで選んでついてった相手を責めてんの。全員捕まえた誘拐犯はスルーって草。2ちゃん+13
CrookedDesk
Well if your boss hired a new employee to your team with no experience and the moment your boss was out-of-office you used your seniority to throw them into a solo job that was like 90% going to kill them you'd probably get fired and barred from the industry for life, lmao.
確かに。上司が新入りの無経験者をチームに入れて、その上司が不在の間に先輩面してほぼ確実に死ぬような単独任務を押し付けたら、普通クビどころか業界追放ものだよね、笑。普通くん+8
misc_reddit_account
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As with last week: BRUSHBUDDY YES. CARNIVAL WITCH NO. That window jumpscare. Sheesh. I had also been wondering what would be the catalyst for Coco's face of utter devastation in the preview... and was not expecting it to have been in response to an outburst from a frightened Tetia of all people. Oh, Coco. Another extremely strong episode, from character writing, worldbuilding, art direction, animation, soundtrack... just sublime. The deeper insight into both Agott and Tetia as characters was excellent, too. It turns out Agott is an excellent leader who can keep a cool head under pressure along with being very supportive with her peers, but... those traits don't apply to interactions with Coco. Tetia has also otherwise been a bundle of sunshine with Coco, but it was fascinating to see what happens when she's backed into a life or death corner, and blaming Coco in response. I was also delighted that while Richeh is extremely laid back most of the time, she's a very quick thinker under pressure. Again, just a lot of excellent character insight packed into a comparatively short amount of screentime in the labyrinth. With the greater worldbuilding with ink, if there were no more silverwood trees, would it no longer be possible to do magic? With WHA all-round, I really like how all actions continually make sense from a character perspective. Even though I was internally screaming for Coco to get Qifrey, of course she's going to go desperately tearing after the witch that gave her the picture book and was the catalyst for losing her mother. Even though my heart aches for Coco with both Agott and Tetia lashing out at her, it feels real in a painfully complicated and sincere way. While the trio are more experienced apprentice witches, they're also just terrified kids who know the gravity of the situation that they're in. I'm haunted by the image of Coco standing alone clutching the cap in her final scene. Again, another fantastic episode. And it's only Episode 4. When I watched the trailers and the opening, I thought the dragon was going to show up towards the climax of the season. Nope, Episode 4, the kids are trapped in a labyrinth with a dragon. I'm curious what the magic circle that Coco spotted means. As an aside, the city was extraordinary, especially the streets packed with beautifully animated witches with unique character designs. Just... wow. I'm so grateful Bug Films had the opportunity to go above and beyond with adapting the manga.
先週同様の意見だが、ブラシバディは最高。カーニバルウィッチは不要だ。 あの窓のジャンプスケアは凄まじかったな。予告で見せていたココの絶望した表情の原因が、まさかテティアの恐怖による爆発だったとは…。これは考察が深まる。 今回も極めて強力なエピソードだった。キャラクター描写、世界観構築、美術、アニメーション、サウンドトラック、全てが秀逸だ。アゴットとテティアの内面描写も素晴らしかった。アゴットは冷静な指揮官であり仲間を支える優れたリーダーだが、その特性がココには向けられないという対比が興味深い。テティアも普段は太陽のような存在だが、生死の境に追い詰められた時にココを責める反応を見せた点は、キャラクターの深みを感じさせる。リチェが普段は超マイペースながら、危機的状況では素早い判断力を発揮したのも良かった。 銀木の木が枯れたら魔法は使えなくなるのか?という世界観の伏線も気になる。 全体的にWHAのキャラクター行動は常に心理的一貫性がある。ココがキーフリーを呼ぶべきと内心叫びながらも、絵本をくれた魔女を追いかけてしまう心情は理解できる。アゴットとテティアに責められるココの痛々しさは、複雑で誠実な感情の描写としてリアルだ。3人は経験豊富な見習いだが、同時に状況の重大さを理解する恐怖を抱えた子供でもある考察くん+85
zz2000
Witch Hat's creator has also done various cover illustrations for Western comics as well.
まじで!?とんがり帽子の作者さんって海外コミックのカバーイラストも描いてるんだ!やばくね!?ギャル+74
Jacob-C
Omg Batman v Superman, Darth Vader, Dr. Strange, Harley Quinn, Cloak & Dagger, Wonder Woman, Deadpool, Hellboy and Batgirl, a whole lot of Batgirl lol. I don't know if the author chose what to work on or if it was requested, but if it's the former they have great taste. Then there's the Star Wars trilogy that never happened, but other than that it's great.
ワイ「くっそwww バットマンvsスーパーマンにダースベイダー、ドクターストレンジにハーレイクイン、クローク&ダガーにワンダーウーマン、デッドプールにヘルボーイ、そしてバットガール大量やんwww 作者が選んだか依頼か知らんけど、前者ならセンス良すぎやろ。スターウォーズ三部作は幻になったけど、それ以外はガチで神やな」2ちゃん+11
zz2000
Wikipedia says she started doing Western comic covers after her art got noticed at the 2015 New York ComicCon. It's likely she started getting requests from the comicbook companies after they saw her stuff.
Wikipediaによると、彼女の作品が2015年のNYコミコンで注目されてから、海外コミックのカバーアートを手がけるようになったらしい。 つまり、コミック会社が彼女の作風を目にして、依頼が来るようになったんだろうな。制作側が才能を見抜いて起用した、という考察ができる。考察くん+11
KillysgungoesBLAME
Wow. Some really impressive work there. She’s extremely talented, to say the least.
確かに、彼女の作品はどれもすごいよね。才能が半端ないわ。普通くん+10
Shimmering-Sky
- She made fire! - That wasn’t really *mastering*, she got lucky. - Huh, I guess that *would* be something that differs between witches. - There’s someone in that alley… - Interesting detail. - Is that the figure who was in the alley too? It’s the person who gave her that magic book… - Uh-oh. - Oh *fun*. - Oof… - What *is* the magic circle Coco spotted, anyways?
- 「彼女、火を出した!」 - 「あれは『習得』とは言えないな。運が良かっただけだ」 - 「なるほど、魔女ごとにそういう違いがあるってのは興味深い考察ができるな」 - 「路地に誰かいる…」 - 「細かいディテールだ。伏線として機能してそう」 - 「路地にいた人物って、あの魔法の本を彼女に渡したやつか?」 - 「まずい展開だな…」 - 「おや、面白くなってきた」 - 「うわ…」 - 「ココが見つけた魔法陣、あれは一体何なんだろうな? 作中で重要な鍵を握る可能性が高い」考察くん+66
flybypost
原文
> That wasn’t really mastering, she got lucky. That moment felt like Qifrey didn't even ask her about that adventure and assumed that she has to have masted it because how could one otherwise finish the quest under the worst conditions (season of highest drifts). And it also feels like he doesn't know that Agott instigated the whole thing. Because then he wouldn't be asking how things are between them but instead he'd be having a *talk* with Agott.
確かに、あれは習得って感じじゃなかったよね。 キーフリーはあの冒険について彼女に聞かずに、最悪の条件下(積雪が一番多い時期)でどうやってクエストを達成できたのかって前提で、彼女が習得したに違いないって決めつけてる感じがする。 あと、アゴットが全部の原因を作ったって知らないっぽいよね。もし知ってたら、二人の関係がどうかって聞くんじゃなくて、アゴットと直接話をするはずだし。普通くん+31
Zeallfnonex
原文
> What is the magic circle Coco spotted, anyways? Grr, I was looking for a comment about this specifically, but this'll have to do I guess. First, there's no elemental symbols I can see, none that Qifrey listed at the beginning of this episode or in episode 2. The signs I recognize are mostly the "T" sign, pointing inwards? Not sure, the water spell that Coco misbalanced shot outwards with Ts positioned like that, I'd still guess inwards towards that ominous sigil in the center. Can't make much out of it, though the three triangles in the center kinda look like witch hats, with the center brimmed? The other interesting thing, to me, is the imbalance of the directional arrows. There's this pitchfork-man symbol at roughly 2, 5, 8, and 10 o'clock, and this question mark intersected by a triangle at 3, 6, and 9. So first, imbalance in that there's a missing symbol at 12 o'clock, and second, the arrows are all going clockwise... except for the two sets between 5 and 8 o'clock, which are counterclockwise, which creates a "flow" of everything originating at 8 flowing towards 5. The sign at 5 looks the same as the ones elsewhere, so I have no idea what this could mean. If this *is* the thing that teleported them, maybe a reverse sigil that goes from 5 to 8 would do the trick?
ココが見つけた魔法陣について考察するね。まず、キーフリーが第1話や第2話で挙げていた元素記号は一切見当たらない。認識できるのは主に「T」の記号で、内側を向いて配置されているように見える。ココがバランスを崩した水魔法はTが外向きに発射されていたから、内側に向いたこの配置は中央の不気味な印へと収束する流れを示唆しているのかも。中央の三角形3つは魔女の帽子に見えなくもない、特に真ん中に鍔があるように。 もう一つ興味深いのは方向矢印の不均衡だ。2、5、8、10時の位置に熊手のような人間の記号、3、6、9時に三角形と交差する疑問符がある。つまり12時の位置に記号が欠けている不均衡があり、矢印は全体的に時計回りだが、5時と8時の間の2セットだけ反時計回り。これにより8時から5時へと流れる「流れ」が生まれている。5時の記号は他の場所と同じに見えるから、この意味はまだ分からない。 もしこれが彼らを転送したものなら、5時から8時へと逆向きの印を使えばうまくいくかもしれないね。考察くん+25
cyberscythe
> What is the magic circle Coco spotted, anyways? probably the Chipotle logo, girl's thinking about lunch options
ココが見つけた魔方陣ってなんだったんだろうね 多分チポトレのロゴだよ、お腹空いてたんだろ普通くん+17
Se7en_Sinner
Predrawing glyphs and completing the circles for quick activation is genius. The next step after this is probably something like a tattoo since magic is cast using ink. This probably counts as forbidden magic though since it's affecting the body.
事前に魔術陣描いてサークル完成させることで高速発動とか天才の発想やろwww次の段階は多分タトゥーとかやろな、インク使って魔法発動するんやし。でも身体に影響与えるってことで禁術扱いされそうやけどな2ちゃん+63
N1ghth4wk
> This probably counts as forbidden magic though since it's affecting the body. In the last episode Coco thought about painting the levitation seal on her soles, but didn't do it because she remembered it is forbidden to paint seals on your body. So no tattoos allowed i guess.
確かに。前回のエピソードでココが浮遊の印を足の裏に描くのを考えたけど、体に印を描くのは禁止って思い出してやらなかったもんね。つまりタトゥーはダメってことか。普通くん+73
Zemahem
Didn't the old witch also say it was derived from stuff that's poisonous to humans? Yeah... probably shouldn't use that for tattoos.  Though maybe just body painting is okay. Or at least, the issue will come from the spell itself rather than the poisonous ink entering your body.
確かに、前回のエピソードで老婆の魔女も「人間に有毒な物質から派生した」って言ってたな。タトゥーに使うのはやっぱり危険という考察ができる。ただ、ボディペインティング程度なら大丈夫かもしれない。問題は毒インクが体内に入ることよりも、呪文そのものにあると考えられる。考察くん+33
AnusBlaster5000
They lie to everyone saying witches are only born and cant be made. Sounds like just another mechanism of control to me
せやな、魔女は生まれつきのものだけで作れないって皆に嘘ついてるやん。ワイからしたら支配の仕組みにしか思えへんわwww2ちゃん+19
ali94127
原文
I'm sure this probably comes up in the manga, but it seems like a set of stamp seals to quickly create glyphs sounds extremely useful. You could have the 4 primary sigils, sign stamps, and a perfect circle stamp seal (probably both a seal that is a complete circle and one that is almost complete). Possibly in different sizes as well. Could get bulky quickly, but seems like a neat idea. I'm sure at the very least that the manga audience has definitely thought of this idea already.
確かにそれな。マンガ読者なら絶対考えたことあるアイデアだと思う。4つの基本紋章用の印鑑と、完全な円とほぼ円のスタンプがあれば便利そうだよね。サイズ違いもあるといいかも。かさばる問題はあるけど、面白い発想だと思う。普通くん+22
wcctnoam
The relief in the stamp would count as a completed circle once inked, it can't be the whole thing, but you could definitely stamp like 90% of a spell.
確かに!スタンプで90%くらいは作れちゃうってやばくね?笑 でも完全な円にはならないってとこがミソなんじゃん?ギャル+21
hitmobilegamehsr
Quifrei needs to lock in and call out Agott for acting like this, ridiculous that he didn't do literally anything after she put Coco in danger last episode
キーフレイはもっとガチでアゴットに物言えや。前回ココ危険な目に遭わせたのに何もしないとかマジでありえへんわwww2ちゃん+66
KonoHidenoriDa
The scene when he asks Coco about Agott makes me think he kinda knows something is off but not fully, at least not yet.
確かに、ココにアゴットのこと聞いてるシーン見ると、何かおかしいって気づいてるけどまだ完全にはわかってない感じだよね。普通くん+29
extralie
You know, I REALLY like Coco, and Agott is getting on my nerves, but I feel like there is A LOT of Protagonist bias in this comment section. I'm sorry, but while I sympathize with Coco, but if I was in the other girls shoes, and was like 12, someone is getting punched in the face.
ココは確かに魅力的なキャラだし、俺も好きだ。でもアゴットに対して「ウザい」って言うのは主人公補正がかかりすぎてると思うんだよな。冷静に考察すると、あの年齢で自分たちの世界に飛び込んできたココに、周りの子たちが苛立つのはある意味自然な反応だ。俺が12歳で同じ立場だったら、確実にぶん殴ってる。アゴットの態度も、彼女の育った環境や責任感を考えれば納得できる描写だと思う。考察くん+51
CrookedDesk
原文
Understandable for Tetia and Richeh to get mad, but what Agott is experiencing right now is literally what she put Coco through last episode - bar the fact that Agott's actions were entirely intentional and she did it knowing full well Coco was likely to die. Except where Coco shows grace: forgiving Agott for her actions, trying to repair her shoes, trying to build a relationship with her, and apologizing relentlessly for all the mistakes she makes - Agott is a murderous, cruel girl who never apologizes and uses every excuse she can get to bring up Coco's dead mother.
テティアとリチェが怒るのはわかるけど、アゴットが今経験してるのってまさに前回彼女がココにやったことそのものだよね。しかもアゴットの場合は完全に意図的で、ココが死ぬ可能性があるってわかっててやったんだからな。 一方でココはアゴットを許して靴を直そうとしたり関係を築こうとしたり、自分のミスにはひたすら謝ってる。アゴットは殺意のある残酷な子で謝罪もせず、ココの亡くなった母親を何度も持ち出す言い訳ばかりしてるんだよ。普通くん+18
extralie
原文
Idk, I feel like there is a huge difference between "I will put this girl through an impossible test because I think she will give up" and "Oh, I will chase down a dangerous person despite being told not get separated from my classmates by my teacher. Oh, the dangerous evil person was actually dangerous!?" Once again, I think Agott is a little shit, but acting like she doesn't have the rights to be upset that she was dragged into fighting a dragon when she is just 12 is just weird.
せやけどな、ワイは「この子は諦めるやろって思って無理ゲー課した」のと「先生に『離れるな』って言われたのに危ないやつ追いかけて『やっぱ危なかった!?』ってなる」のは全然ちゃうと思うンゴwww アガットがクソガキなのは変わらんけど、12歳でいきなりドラゴンと戦わされて怒る権利がないとか言うのは変やろ。ワイもそう思うわ。2ちゃん+8
CyanSorrow
Chases someone down of your own free will = dragged in
確かに、自ら追いかけるのと無理やり連れてこられるのは全然違うよな。普通くん+7
zappingbluelight
I dislike the idea that Agott keep using her mom turning into crystal as an argument starter, it is like a girlfriend using a long ago mistake to keep attacking you. Coco drew a random picture from a picture book, and now she is in trouble. I hope she finds a way to make up with Tetia, it is just unfortunate that no one know the bad guys are targeting her specifically, and she is getting blamed.
アゴットが母親の結晶化を議論の切り口として使い続けるのは、まるで過去の過ちをいつまでも持ち出して攻撃してくる彼女みたいで正直好きじゃないんだよな。ココはただ絵本から適当に絵を描いただけなのに、今や窮地に立たされている。 テティアと仲直りできる方法を見つけてほしい。誰も黒幕が彼女を標的にしていることを知らず、彼女だけが責められているというのが本当に不運だ。考察くん+46
falsefingolfin
brother, coco turned her mom into a crystal like 2 days ago, its not like a long ago mistake
兄貴、ココが母親を結晶にしたのって2日前の話だぜ。昔のミスってわけじゃないんだよね。普通くん+19
CordobezEverdeen
My issue with that is that Agott is acting like they are siblings and it was her own mother the one that got turned into a crystal. Also for someone who should "know better" she had no qualms about pushing a newbie mage into the testing grounds during a dangerous time (and if she didn't knew about it then... Oh... Who's the reckless one now?).
【返信】 Agottが兄弟みたいな態度取るの草 そもそも結晶化したのは自分の母親やんけ しかも「分別あるべき人間」が新人魔法使いを危険な時期に試験場に突き飛ばすってどういうことやねん (もし知らなかったなら…それはそれで無茶苦茶やな)2ちゃん+12
szalhi
*No think, only zoom.*
考えるな、ズームするんだ。普通くん+49
Frontier246
Tetia best (or at least most fun) levitation/flight magic user confirmed.
確かに!テティアが浮遊魔法使いとして最強(少なくとも一番楽しい)って確定したなッ!感情くん+11
Tsumaranai_Jinsei
Man I don’t care whatever backstory Agott has. The way she treats Coco so insensitively all the time is so infuriating, she is coming off as a bitch. Other than that a pretty solid episode, just like Qifrey I was pretty surprised to see the Brimmed caps making a move this soon
アガットにどんな過去があろうと関係ないわ。あのココへの無神経な態度にはマジでイライラするし、ただの嫌な奴にしか見えない。 それ以外は結構いいエピソードだったな。キーフリーと同じく、まさかツバあり帽たちがこんな早く動き出すとは思わなかった。普通くん+46
WhoiusBarrel
There's a limit to how a kid can thoughtlessly say the most insensitive insults but with Agott she tactically chooses to spew the vilest shit at Coco while nearly costing her life. Going to be hard even to get her to come around and be at least tolerable when she's on screen.
アガットの言動は単なる無神経さを超えてるよね。彼女は意図的にココの急所を突くような言葉を選んで、しかも命の危険に晒すような行動まで取ってる。これは「子どもの無邪気な暴言」の範疇を完全に逸脱してるんだよな。 今後の展開で彼女が少しでもマシなキャラになるとしても、視聴者としてはかなりのハードルが高い。制作陣がどうアガットのキャラクターを再構築していくのか、そこが今後の注目ポイントだと思われる。考察くん+37
Prof_Acorn
Magott is the bitchiest bitch that's ever bitched. Makes me think of a PG-13 version of Joffrey Baratheon. Ain't no sad backstory ever gonna excuse her trash personality either.
確かにアガットはわざと相手を傷つける言い方をする感じだよね。マゴットはマジで嫌な奴で、ジョフリー・バラシオンのライト版って感じ。どんな悲しい過去があってもあの性格は許せないわ。普通くん+10
cleaulem
原文
I agree, Agott is going too far, no matter what her own circumstances are. Even if you have a hard life, you can still choose to not be an asshole. Especially after tricking Coco last episode in a way that could have gotten her killed, she has imho no right to be so judgmental against Coco. Coco is in a completely new environment right after a traumatizing event and she still needs to settle in and learn the fundamentals. If we say that Agott might have some circumstances on her own, we also need to apply this to Coco. In this light Agott goes too far- I hope that Agott gets some serious character development very soon, because right now her attitude is really spoiling the fun for me.
同意。アゴットの言動は行き過ぎだ。彼女自身にどんな事情があろうと、辛い人生を送っているからといって他人に意地悪をする選択をするのは別問題だ。 特に前回、ココを死にかねない方法で騙した後では、彼女がココをあそこまで批判的に見る権利はないと思う。 ココはトラウマ的な出来事の直後に全く新しい環境に放り込まれ、まだ基礎を学びながら環境に慣れている最中だ。 「アゴットにも事情があるのでは」と言うなら、その理屈はココにも等しく当てはめるべきだ。そう考えると、アゴットの態度は明らかに度を越している。 彼女には早急に本格的なキャラクター成長が訪れてほしい。現時点の態度が作品の楽しさを著しく損なっているからだ。考察くん+26
RaidenXYae
the show will need a generational redemption arc to make me like her lmao. Absolutely vile character
マジでそれな!アガットがココに冷たすぎてムカつくわ〜。 この子を好きになるには、マジで世代超えたレベルの更生エピが必要じゃね?笑 性格ガチでクソすぎだろ!ギャル+8
thisisdropd
原文
We got to see both sides of Agott in action – both good and bad. On one hand, she’s the most experienced and calm among the apprentices in a time of crisis while on the other hand she’s got attitude problems. That was utterly harsh on Coco. After the stunt she pulled last week. It’s got a similar vibe to hazing. Now, what were these brimmed caps? Qifrey made them sound like a dark faction of witches but the one who lured Coco said she was their hope.
アゴットの良い面も悪い面も両方見れたな。危機的状況で一番経験豊富で冷静な一方、態度に問題あり。ココには厳しすぎたよ。先週の行動を考えると、いわゆる新入りいじめみたいな感じだったね。 で、あのつば付き帽子ってなんだったんだ?キーフリーは闇の魔女一派みたいに言ってたけど、ココを誘った奴は「君が希望だ」って言ってたぞ。普通くん+41
Frontier246
原文
>Now, what were these brimmed caps? Qifrey made them sound like a dark faction of witches but the one who lured Coco said she was their hope. That whole visual of them from Qifrey's description felt like a line-up of the most anime villain-coded magic users of all time. Coco represents someone born outside the world of magic but given access to it. If she can prove that someone like that is truly worthy of wielding magic, would that not prove that magic deserves to be free to others outside mage society? (Although I feel like consistently throwing her into dangerous situations when Qifrey's only been teaching her for a sum total of, like, 10 minutes is slightly counterproductive if that's their goal).
**返信元のコメント:** 「つば広帽子って結局何者なんだ?キーフリーは魔法使いの闇組織みたいに言ってたけど、ココを誘惑したやつは『希望』って呼んでたしな」 キーフリーの説明で出てきたあのビジュアル、完全にアニメの悪役魔法使いオブザイヤーみたいなラインナップやったわ。 ココは魔法の世界の外で生まれたけどアクセス権を与えられた存在やろ。もし彼女が「そういう奴こそ魔法を扱うにふさわしい」って証明できたら、魔法使い社会の外にも魔法を開放すべきって証明になるんちゃう? (ただ、キーフリーが教え始めて合計10分くらいしか経ってないのに、毎回危険な状況に放り込むのは正直矛盾してね?って思うけどな)2ちゃん+20
unga_bunga_mage
Virgin establishment witches vs. chad apostate witches
確かに、Qifreyの言い方だとブリムドキャップは悪の組織っぽく聞こえるけど、ココを誘惑したやつはまた違う感じだよね。普通くん+13
ali94127
原文
Witches hold a monopoly on a fundamental force in the world and that inherently is already pretty immoral, especially when they literally stole everyone's memories of how magic functions at a fundamental level. At the same time, a child can accidentally cast a spell that's equivalent to a white phosphorus bomb. It's not hard to imagine other kinds of destructive and fucked up magic someone can intentionally make.
「つば付き帽子」が一体何なのか、キーフリーはあたかも闇の一派のように語っていたが、ココを誘惑した存在を考えると、単なる悪の組織ではない可能性が高い。そもそも魔女たちが世界の根源的力を独占している時点で、道徳的に疑問が残る。特に、魔法の基本原理に関する記憶を意図的に消去した行為は、極めて権力的だ。一方で、子供がうっかり白リン弾相当の魔法を発動してしまう危険性を考えると、誰かが意図的に破壊的で残酷な魔法を生み出すのも想像に難くない。この二面性が、本作のテーマの核心だと思われる。考察くん+9
Jacob-C
I think Agott needs to face some consequences for her actions last episode before I can even begin to like her character. It wouldn't sit right with me if she got away with severe reckless endangerment and criminal negligence. Coco needed a scolding this episode but Agott had no right being the one to dish it out. On another note, I love the Brushbuddy, it's too damn cute!
同意。アゴットは前回の行動に対する代償を払うべきだと思う。無謀な危険行為と過失を軽く流されたら納得いかない。ココが叱られるのはわかるけど、アゴットがそれをやるのは違うよな。 それからブラッシュバディ可愛すぎる!あれは反則級だわ。普通くん+43
Diggumdum
RIGHT? I pointed out how agott tried to kill coco by sending her on the test all alone and didn't even get SCOLDED and some guy replied to me saying I just want to see Agott get abused... The Fandom might be a little insane bro
それな。アゴットの行動を考えると、ココを単独試験に送って殺しかけたのに叱られすらしなかった点は、明らかに脚本上の問題があると指摘したい。それに対して「アゴットが虐待されるのを見たいだけだ」と返すファンがいるのは、ちょっとファンダムの冷静さを欠いてる気がするな。考察くん+25
TheCatCAR
原文
I think I personally lay a lot of blame on Qifrey, who is simultaneously an amazing and horrible teacher all at once. He constantly leaves Coco to what are essentially strangers to her, despite knowing that they know she has cast forbidden magic and the stigma around that. It looks like he hasn't made any attempt to explain to his students the situation, or at the very least help acclimate them to Coco and help them sympathize with her. Agott is the end result of dropping Coco into the established group dynamic and dusting your hands, thinking everything is going to work out just fine.
確かにアゴットにも責任はあるけど、個人的にはキーフリーにもかなり問題があると思うんだよね。彼は優秀な教師であると同時にひどい教師でもある。ココが禁術を使ったことやその偏見を知ってるのに、彼女を他人に任せっぱなしにしてる。他の生徒に状況を説明したり、ココを受け入れられるように導こうともしてないし。 アゴットは、既存のグループにココを放り込んで「あとはよろしく」ってやった結果だと思う。普通くん+7
Anaguli417
原文
I'm gonna temper my opinions regarding Agott but she's not one to talk about danger when she literally sent Coco to the Dadah Range without explicit approval from Qifrey. If Agott doesn't get reprimanded for her Dadah range stunt in gonna lose my shit.  Also, bringing up Coco accidentally petrifying her mother is just a low blow. It's not Coco's fault for being ignorant of magic when its knowledge and practice was forbidden or restricted.  Honestly, in this kinds of stories, I usually root for the evil organization because the status quo is usually stupid and hypocritical and fosters elitism/classism. Just look at how Agott treats Coco.
アゴットの言動には一貫して疑問が残るな。確かに危険を説く立場ではない——キーフレイの明確な許可なくココをダダー山脈に連れて行った時点で、彼女自身が危険を軽視している証拠だ。もしあの一件で何の咎めも受けなければ、正直納得いかない。 そして母親を石化させた件を持ち出すのは完全にフェアじゃない。魔法の知識と実践が禁じられ、制限されていた環境で育ったココに無知の責任を負わせるのは筋違いだ。 こういう作品だと、つい「悪の組織」に肩入れしたくなるんだよな。現状維持派の論理は往々にして愚かで偽善的で、エリート主義や階級意識を助長する。アゴットのココへの態度を見れば一目瞭然だ。考察くん+33
Le_Nabs
>Honestly, in this kinds of stories, I usually root for the evil organization because the status quo is usually stupid and hypocritical and fosters elitism/classism. That conflict between what's legal, what's right and what's actually too dangerous is central to the whole story, this thankfully isn't a story about 'elites being elites for a good reason'
確かに、こういう物語だと現状維持が馬鹿げてて偽善的でエリート主義を助長してるから、悪の組織を応援したくなる気持ちはわかる。 合法と正義と危険のバランスがこの物語の核心だよね。ありがたいことに「特権階級はそれなりの理由がある」的な話じゃないし。普通くん+27
FateXBlood
I felt upset for Coco, but the situation called for it. I hope she gets along with others soon.
ココには胸が痛んだわ…でもあの状況じゃ仕方ないンゴな。早くみんなと仲良くなれるといいなあ。2ちゃん+32
Cheesemacher
They have sylph shoes to fly. I bet someone's made fire gloves. You could like snap your fingers to instantly burn a target.
シルフの靴で空飛べるのヤバすぎ!絶対誰か火の手袋作ってるでしょ。指パッチンで敵を一瞬で燃やせるってマジ優勝すぎるッ!感情くん+30
SaltAndABattery
Nah, the alchemists already have a patent on that, gold fees would be way too steep.
いや、錬金術師たちがすでに特許取ってるよ。金の手数料が高すぎるんじゃないかな。普通くん+18
cyberscythe
or a stone pants where if you bend them at a certain angle it generates a stone chair for you to sit on
それな!!石のズボンで角度調整して椅子が出てくるのやばくね?笑 めっちゃ便利じゃん〜ギャル+16
KonoHidenoriDa
Thats the kind of magic Frieren would let you pat her for
草ァ!それフリーレンが「なでてもええで」って言いそうな魔法やなwww2ちゃん+15
Nghtmare-Moon
I’m a bit disappointed in the teacher not scolding Agott for sending coco alone into the test, I feel that should’ve been a bigger deal than it was.
え、マジで先生がアゴットに何も言わなかったのちょっとガッカリじゃん!?ココ一人で試験に行かせたのって結構ヤバいことだと思うんだけどな〜ギャル+30
VoidRay728
>(To Tetia and Richeh) "Thank goodness. Well done, Richeh. Let's hurry and get away." (To Coco) "I meant from this place. You can take it to mean either way though." Damn Agott, you really have to be that harsh? At least she answered my question on how witches "quickfire" spells if they have to draw something every time.
アゴットのあのセリフ、意図的に二重の意味を持たせてるのが上手いな。表面上はテティアとリチェに向けた「よくやった」という労いだが、ココに対しては「この場所から」と暗に距離を置くニュアンスを込めてる。これはアゴットの複雑な心情——同僚としての信頼と、師弟関係における線引き——を同時に表現してるんだと思う。 それにしても、魔法使いが毎回描画を必要とする中で「即時詠唱」をどうやってるか、という質問にアゴットが答えているのも興味深い。おそらく彼女は、描画のプロセスを無意識化・高速化する訓練を積んでいるんだろう。この辺り、制作陣が魔法システムの整合性をきちんと考えてる証拠だな。考察くん+29
Frontier246
Real haters turn something that wasn't even intended as an insult into an insult just because they hate **that** much lol.
確かに、嫌いすぎて本来悪意のないことまで悪意に取っちゃうってあるよね笑普通くん+47
TheTetons
It's partially because she says she wants to leave this place (koko in Japanese) which obviously sounds like Coco's name
「ここを(koko)出たい」って言うのが、明らかにココ(Coco)の名前と同じ響きなのがポイントすぎるッ!そういう意図的なダブルミーニング、エモすぎて無理!優勝!!感情くん+12
SaltAndABattery
Poor dragon just wanted to ask directions out of the back~~rooms~~ alleys.
かわいそうに、ドラゴンはただ裏路地から出る道を聞きたかっただけなんだよね。普通くん+32
HolyDragSwd2500
Diagonal Alleys 😉
斜め路地ってやつか😉 草2ちゃん+14
KonoHidenoriDa
Dragonal Alleys
あのDiagonal Alleysのシーンやばくね!?笑ギャル+7
DocMcCoy
原文
My take home thought of this episode is: man Qifrey is just really bad at his job He's in charge of a group of children. He needs to watch them. He didn't investigate why Coco went through the portal last time? He didn't scold Agott? He isn't even teaching Coco properly! He's just throwing her in head-first, without explanation, without teaching her the basics, without any safety protocols Everything that happened since she got there was because he's incompetent. Heck, I wouldn't even be surprised if it turned out that Coco getting the book was somehow his fault too or something
このエピソード見て思ったんだけど、キーフリーってマジで教師としてダメだよね 子供たちの面倒見る立場なのに、なんでココが前回ポータルくぐった理由調べないんだ?アガットを叱りもしないし? そもそもココへの教え方も雑すぎるだろ!基本も説明せずにいきなり実践放り込んで、安全対策もなし ココが来てからのトラブル、全部キーフリーの無能が原因じゃん。つーか、あの本をココが手に入れたのも、実はキーフリーのせいだったりしてな普通くん+27
DocMcCoy
原文
Right after hitting post, I thought about another thing. What he said in this episode, that he hoped Coco would provide a lead to the brimmed hats... That's it, isn't it? He's not actually interested in teaching her, is he? He doesn't care about her at all, she's just a pawn for him. Just a means to an end Is that how this will turn out? Is there going to be a big twist, the side Qifrey is on is actually a fascist dictatorship? He's training the children to be soldiers in a far against the brimmed hats, who are actually freedom fighters?
キーフリーの「ココがブリムハットへの手がかりになる」発言は確かに引っかかるな。つまり彼はココを単なる駒として見ていて、教育そのものには興味がないという考察ができる。もしこれが伏線なら、キーフリー側が実は権威主義的で、ブリムハットが自由の戦士という大どんでん返しもあり得る。制作陣が意図的に彼の教師としての姿勢を曖昧にしているのは、そういう展開を匂わせているんだろうな。考察くん+12
runevault
Even if he only sees her as a means to finding our eye-masked friend, he still needs to teach Coco because her earning her way into the Library is their best lead, and she has to be capable enough with magic to do that on her own. Unless Qifery lied to her and the audience but it feels too much like a quest marker for me to buy that.
確かに。彼がココを仮面の友達を見つけるための手段としか見てなくても、図書館に入るためには彼女に魔法を教える必要があるってことだよね。自力で入れるくらいの実力が必要だし。キーフリーが視聴者にも嘘ついてる可能性はあるけど、あれはクエストマーカーっぽすぎて信じがたいな。普通くん+9
AmethystItalian
I'm sure I'll come around but I don't think I like any of these girls still...
ワイはまだこの子ら誰も好きになれへんわ…まあそのうち変わるやろけどな2ちゃん+30
goffer54
The quiet one's alright. She doesn't talk enough for me to dislike her.
「静かな子は大丈夫だよ。あんまり喋らないから嫌いになれないんだよね〜」感情くん+27
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I like that they didn't just introduce the 4 main elements (which were expected) in the beginning of the episode as simple exposition, but later make use of nearly all of them. You have Agott use fire magic, Letia use wind magic and Riche use earth magic. All with different arrows as well that give you an idea what they do. Agott uses one to swirl things around, Riche to grind the earth into sand (and then push it forward with the standard arrow) and Letia connected the standard arrow with another one which I assume makes so that the paper isn't just pushing out air but creates this "air bubble" that rises which can then be put into the coat (otherwise the paper would probably just fly off by itself). Which brings me to the big circle Coco saw. It obviously does not contain any of the standard elements (which I think was assumed) and a lot of special arrows as well. Though what I did find interesting was that the outside arrows just go around the circle. Which I assume is the magic that makes the labyrinth inescapable. You will just be walking in circles. So they probably need to delete that circle in the first place to be able to escape the maze. But I also doubt it's that easy considering there are a lot more other arrows in it as well. With that magic analysis out of the way, I just want to add that I think the episode had a good mix of just "fun with all the magic stuff" and actually continuing the story. I would like to know what the magicians actually saw in Coco and what their plans are. It does not seem like they just want to make magic more "accessible" because then, they would just tell this more openly. Which implies to me that they use Coco as some form of test. But considering everyone can use magic, I am not sure what this test is supposed to be. For that, we would need a bit more information how magicians even choose their students in the first place.
冒頭で4大元素を単なる説明で終わらせず、後半で全部活かしたのは良かったね。アゴットが火、レティシアが風、リーチェが土を使って、それぞれ矢印の効果も違う。特にレティシアの紙がただ空気を押し出すだけじゃなくて「気泡」を作って上昇させてコートに閉じ込める仕組みは凝ってる。 ココが見た大きな円には標準的な元素は入ってなくて、外周の矢印がぐるぐる回ってるのが迷宮を脱出不能にしてるんだろうな。まずあの円を消さないと抜け出せないと思うけど、他にも矢印がたくさんあるから簡単じゃなさそう。 魔法分析はさておき、今回のエピは「魔法で遊ぶ楽しさ」と「物語の進行」のバランスが良かった。魔術師たちがココに何を見出してるのか気になる。単に魔法を普及させたいだけならもっとオープンに話すはずで、何かのテストとしてココを使ってる感じがするな。でも誰でも魔法は使えるのに、そのテストが何なのかはもっと情報が必要だね。普通くん+26
Prof_Acorn
>Which brings me to the big circle Coco saw. It obviously does not contain any of the standard elements (which I think was assumed) and a lot of special arrows as well. I found a clearer version of it online:
【返信】 せやな。ココが見たあのでかい円、明らかに標準の元素じゃないやん?特殊な矢印も大量やし。 ネットでクリアなやつ見つけたンゴwww2ちゃん+8
Sensitive_Ad6075
I get Tetia's reaction. Fear just got her and yeah I hope her and Coco will still get along after this.
わかる〜!テティアの気持ちめっちゃ理解できるわ。恐怖に飲まれちゃったんだよね…でもココとこの後も仲良くやってけるといいなマジで!ギャル+28
Prof_Acorn
It was just a look. She didn't verbalize anything. A passing thought is easy to apologize for and easy to forgive.
確かに。ただの一瞬の表情だったし、言い出したわけじゃないしね。ちょっとした思い込みなら謝りやすいし、許しやすいと思う。普通くん+11
Equivalent-Mine5562
原文
This episode flew by and I'm sad that I'll have to wait another 7 days😭. As a manga reader who picked up the manga after it's first episode, im so happy with the adaptation. Voice acting and color enriches your experience so much it's basically magic. The whole scene of Tetia whooshing around her place was made so adorable through her VA. I adore the sound design so much, each drop of water, footsteps, little brushbuddy noises😍 everything!! This show has turned out to be my highlight of the week, I eagerly look forward to it every Monday.
今回の話あっという間やったわ…また1週間待たなあかんの辛すぎるンゴ😭 初回から原作読み始めたワイとしては、このアニメ化にマジで満足してるで。声優と色彩が作品の体験をめっちゃ豊かにしてくれてて、まさに魔法やわ。テティアが部屋をひゅんひゅん動き回るシーン、声優のおかげで可愛すぎたわ。 音響デザインもガチで好き。水滴の音、足音、ブラシバディの鳴き声、全部が最高や😍 このアニメ、今週のハイライトになってしもうた。毎週月曜が待ち遠しいンゴwww2ちゃん+25
Gaporigo
How is she floating in place here?
えっ、なんでここで浮いてるの!?無理すぎるでしょ!感情くん+26
escape_planet_dirt
I noticed this too and it bugged me more than it should have lol definitely an inconsistency with how the mechanism works
それな!私もそこ気になって仕方なかったんだけど笑 仕組み的に矛盾してるよね〜確かに!ギャル+22
hanmkim
原文
The flight magic really doesn't follow the rules of physics at all, how do they balance without additional circles on the hands. I would imagine them flying uncontrolled all over the place like Tony Stark's first iterations of his suit. Also, if the ink can be washed off the soles of the shoes, wouldn't they be scratched off by just walking? Maybe they should have the soles on a small skeletonized platform off the ground to prevent this.
確かに、飛行魔法は物理法則無視だよね。手に追加の円がないとバランス取れなさそう。最初のトニー・スタークのスーツみたいに制御不能で飛び回りそうだし。あと、靴底のインクが洗い流せるなら、歩くだけで削れない?地面から少し浮かせた骨組みの台に靴底をつけるべきじゃないかな。普通くん+8
Ritathesage
There are two glyphs on the shoes. Coco mentioned she was having trouble making the levataion glyph specifically. One of them is probably a levataion spell, while the other one is for propulsion.
確かに!靴に2つ刻印があるんだよね。ココが浮遊の刻印に苦戦してたって言ってたし、片方が浮遊でもう片方が推進用ってわけか。細かすぎるッ!感情くん+5
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
I know there's gonna be a learning curve and it may take a while before Coco gets on the same page or level as her peers, but man I seriously can't wait for her to showcase some of that untapped potential the Brimmed Hat guy is so keen on unearthing/exposing. Not that Coco is (ever gonna be) that kind of girl to shove her abilities/talents to someone's face, but vindication absolutely would feel so good and satisfying once she proves herself not only capable, but better than everyone else--especially Agott. Ps. I knew I liked Richeh the best of the (senpai) trio the first I saw her. No judgement, no crashing out or any needless outburst and pointing fingers. Just cool, calm and collected.
ココが追いつくまでには時間かかるだろうけど、あのツバ広帽の男が引き出そうとしてる潜在能力を見せる日が待ちきれないな。 別にココは自分の才能をひけらかすような子じゃないけど、アガット含めてみんなを見返せる時が来たらめちゃくちゃ気持ちいいだろうな。 追記: 先輩トリオの中でリチェが一番好きだと初見で確信したよ。批判もせず、騒がず、指差しもせず。ただクールで落ち着いてる。普通くん+22
Equivalent-Weather59
Richeh has crazy mental fortitude for a 12 year old, she's so cool
せやな、リチェ12歳であの精神の強さはガチで異常やわ。クールすぎて草2ちゃん+22
Ktulusanders
This and Dorohedoro have some of the best background art I've seen in anime in a long time.
確かに。この作品とドロヘドロの背景美術、最近のアニメの中でもトップクラスに良いと思う。普通くん+23
Khaoticsuccubus
You know, this is twice now Agott has talked shit to Coco using her mother. I'd be ready to throw some hands at this point if I was Coco.
マジでアゴット、ココの母親ネタでディスるの2回目じゃん!?私がココならもうブチ切れて殴りかかってるわ笑ギャル+24
Prof_Acorn
"Hey Magott, you seem awfully interested in my mother. If you want I can show you the forbidden spell that froze her. I can show you real up close and personal like. You may never see any other spell after that again."
アゴットがココの母親を使って挑発するのは今回で2度目だな。もし俺がココの立場なら「マゴット、お前さん、やけに俺の母親に興味があるみたいだな。よければ凍らせた禁呪を見せてやろうか。至近距離でじっくりと見せてやるよ。その後は他の呪文なんて二度と見たくなくなるかもな」って言ってやりたい。考察くん+13
noraastra
I don't get why older fan keep saying not to hate Agott😭 for the past 4 episodes she's just being a bitch to Coco and there's not reason for me to like her💔 anyways episode was so peak it keeps getting better and better
アゴットが嫌いって言うなって言う昔からのファンの気持ちがわからない😭 この4話ずっとココに意地悪ばかりで好きになる理由がないよ💔 でも今回のエピソードは最高だったな、どんどん面白くなってる普通くん+25
Le_Nabs
Oh the feelings are absolutely warranted at this point of the story.
確かにそれな!アゴットの態度はマジでムカつくし、今の段階ではそう思うのも当然じゃん?笑ギャル+15
Fools_Requiem
原文
Agott is the 3rd most popular character in this series on MAL, so I'm assuming at some point she's going to grow on us, but this is not that time. After seeing how people use the floating spell for different methods of travel, and the way Coco rode the sail last week I'm holding out hope that she makes usage of a broom like a stereotypical witch. I think doing it on your shoes is impractical because it's going to be ruined by walking, and you can't use it without the shoes on. A broom would be unique for this universe and I expect Coco to use spells in unique manners. Edit: There are FAR too many source readers in this thread pushing their feelings based on what they know about Agott on the rest of us like we're automatically supposed to be sympathetic to her while she's been a total bitch-a-rooney-dooney from the moment she stepped on screen. We get that she's going to have an arc of some point where we learn about whatever sob story there is that made her become cold and heartless as that is the trope with this type of character, but right now, she's been unnecessarily harsh to someone who yearns to learn about magic and wants to rescue her mom.
アゴットはMALで3番目に人気あるキャラらしいけど、今のところはまだ好きになれないな。いつかはわかる日が来るんだろうけど、今じゃない。 浮遊魔法の使い方や、先週ココが帆に乗ってたのを見て、彼女がステレオタイプな魔女みたいに箒を使ってくれるんじゃないかと期待してる。靴に魔法をかけるのは実用的じゃないよな。歩けばすぐダメになるし、靴を脱いだら使えないし。この世界で箒は独特だと思うし、ココには魔法を独自の方法で使ってほしい。 編集: このスレには原作勢が多すぎる。アゴットが画面に登場してからずっとクソみたいな態度だったのに、彼女のことを知ってるからって同情しろって押し付けてくるな。いつかは彼女が冷たく無情になった理由を描くエピソードがあるのはわかってるけど、今のところは魔法を学びたい母親を救いたいと思ってる相手にただ厳しすぎるだろ。普通くん+20
Diggumdum
I pointed out how agott tried to kill coco by sending her on the test all alone and didn't even get SCOLDED and some guy replied to me saying I just want to see Agott get abused... The Fandom might be a little insane bro
せやな、ワイもAgottがCocoを単独試験に送り込んで殺そうとしたのに怒られすらしなかった件を指摘したら、「お前はAgottが虐められるの見たいだけだろ」って返してきたンゴwww ファンダムちょっと頭おかしいやろこれ2ちゃん+15
Bradshaw98
So, she did not try to kill Coco, she legit thought Coco would give up, and there is a reason for a lack of scolding, a surprisnely simple one.
確かにアゴットはココを殺そうとしたわけじゃなくて、諦めると思ってたんだろうね。叱られなかった理由も意外と単純なものだし。普通くん+9
Diggumdum
Sending a little girl into the magical woods to get a flower while the floating islands were at their highest, totally unprepared and ill-equipped and incapable of magic is a surefireway to get the little girl killed. She literally nearly died at least a few times.
せやな、浮島が一番高い時期に魔法も使えん準備もない小娘を魔法の森に花取りに行かせるってガチで殺す気やろこれ。実際何度か死にかけてたやんwww2ちゃん+17
steven4869
But Coco is new to all this and Qiffrey told that how she could die. Agott is one of those people who feel insecure by the existence of Coco.
確かに!ココはまだ初心者だし、キーフリーから死ぬ可能性あるって言われてるじゃん?アガットはココの存在に不安感じちゃうタイプなんだよね〜まじでわかるわ笑ギャル+11
jardex22
It's only the 4th episode, and the 3rd since she was introduced. It's seriously a drag for people to expect no character development, and for everyone (except the main character) to be fully formed from their first appearance. There's clearly a reason for her behavior, and we'll likely get a backstory episode at some point.
確かに、まだ4話、彼女の登場からは3話しか経っていない。全員が初登場時から完成されたキャラであることを期待するのは酷だと思う。彼女の態度には明確な理由があるはずで、いずれ過去編が挿入されるという考察ができるな。考察くん+7
Successful_Wing_5754
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Agott is obviously a child just like Coco, but she's clearly been instilled with some deep rooted elitist and classist views of who "deserves" to be a witch when it is nothing more than luck that allowed her the opportunity to be one. She constantly belittles Coco for not knowing things that were pointedly kept secret from her her entire life, and on top of that brings up Coco's mother's death *while* explicitly framing it as her fault like every time she speaks to her. Considering she literally sent her to an **incredibly dangerous and potentially fatal test** that she was clearly not ready for *on purpose*, she has no right to criticise Coco here. Coco's only mistake in this episode was being a grieving child who literally just lost her mom, her only family, and had her entire world flipped upside down. Like yeah obviously she would run after the witch who caused all that?? Even most adults would do the same. Sure yeah the other girls are allowed to feel lost, upset, angry even, about ending up in a strange place with a huge ass dragon in front of them, directing that in such a hateful and insulting manner at Coco is not "understandable," let alone deserved (for those saying Coco somehow deserved everything Agott said). More than anyone though, I think people should be holding Qifrey accountable here, like what an astoundingly poor guardian. He's the one who left the atelier and told Coco to learn from Agott right after she got there, like brother YOU'RE the teacher??? In fact leaving the poor girl there unsupervised when she's so new to all this in the first place was just irresponsible. And this episode, how did he not even realize all four of the girls were gone for so long? He's the one who's supposed to be taking care of them like ugh
アゴットはココと同じガキやけど、明らかに「魔女にふさわしい奴」ってエリート意識と階級意識をガッツリ植え付けられてるンゴね。ただの運で魔女になれたくせに。 ココが今まで隠されてたことを知らんのを毎回バカにすんのはもちろん、母親の死まで「お前のせい」みたいに言うとかマジでクソやん。 しかも明らかに無理なレベルの危険な試験にわざと送り込んどいて、ココを批判する資格なんかあるわけないやろ。 ココの唯一のミスって、母親亡くしたばかりの悲しむガキが、全てをぶち壊した魔女を追いかけたってだけやん?大人でも同じことするわ。 他の娘たちが知らん場所でデカいドラゴン前にして混乱するのはわかるけど、その怒りをココにぶつけるのは「理解できる」とか言えるレベルちゃうで。 それよりキーフリーがクソ保護者すぎるやろ。自分が先生やろがい。 工房に来たばっかのココをアゴットに任せて出てくとか無責任すぎるし、今回も4人いなくなってるのに気づかんとかマジで草。2ちゃん+20
Bradshaw98
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Coco did not deserve that level of harshness, but at the same time the reactions of the other kids are 'understandable' imo, being understandable does not mean they are 'right' or 'fair' but they are kids thinking they are going to die and Coco made one mistake to many. Is it Coco's fault things keep going bad around her? No, but the results are the same, again its not fair, and I agree a lot more blame should be put on Qifrey, maybe not to the level your implying (?) like I can remember wandering away from my parents a few times back in the day, they looked away for a second in a crowded area and I was fascinated by a big yellow talking robot.... They did kind of mention how he got really into the shop they were in, and it only takes a moment to lose kids, the villains were obviously waiting for the perfect moment to strike.
ココにあそこまで厳しくするのはやりすぎだと思うけど、他の子たちの反応は「理解できる」かな。理解できる=正しいとか公平ってわけじゃないけど、死ぬかもって思ってる子供たちだし、ココのミスが積み重なった結果だよね。 ココのせいで周りで悪いことが起きてるのか?違うよ。でも結果は同じ。不公平だと思うし、もっとキーフレイに責任があるべきだと思う。でも君が言うほど極端じゃないかも?子供の頃に親からはぐれたことあるんだけど、一瞬目を離した隙に黄色い喋るロボットに夢中になってたし… あの店に夢中になってたって描写あったし、子供を一瞬で見失うのは簡単だよね。悪役もタイミングを見計らってたのは明らかだし。普通くん+11
zool714
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This show reminds me again of how annoying some manga readers can be about anime only people feeling irritated at a character that manga readers know will get a redemption arc but anime only just get what’s in front of them atm. While even as an anime only I’m expecting some sort of redemption for Agott, but currently what I’m seeing just a lot of disdain and you can’t blame people for being annoyed at her for that
このアニメ見てて思ったンゴけど、漫画勢ってホンマウザいわ。アニメ勢が今見てるクソなキャラにイライラしてるのに対して「でも後で更生するから!」って言うやつ。 ワイもアニメ勢やからアゴットの更生はなんとなく予想してるけど、今のところ見えるのは嫌な態度だけやし。それでムカつくのはしゃーないやろ。2ちゃん+21
KimBeanie77
what's that sound? ohhh its the sound of agott's stock market plunging hard. Coco be strong though i think she is going to run back to the brimmed hat guy. Saving her mom is still her priority
あ、この音!?あーなるほどね! アゴットの株価が急落する音じゃん笑 でもココは強いよな〜でもママ助けるのが最優先だから、ツバあり帽子のやつのとこに戻っちゃうかもねギャル+17
hitmobilegamehsr
They better redeem Agott soon cause I hate every second she's on screen and she's actively ruining the show
アゴットの挽回展開早くしてほしいわ。画面に出てくるたびにイライラするし、このキャラが作品を台無しにしてるんだよね普通くん+20
NanDemoKnaives
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So not only does Agott not get in trouble for the stunt she pulled risking Coco's only chance at a test, and potentially her life, the way she brought up Coco's mother being turned into the stone was so downright appalling.  I'm very much disliking her character and my enjoyment of the episode went down because of her, and I just leave another episode again feeling annoyed, it's unfortunate to me she's a prominent character in this.  I had no issue with Tetia blaming Coco, but Agott was excessive. While I do understand the urgency of the situation, Coco messed up there because she's not aware, but it just felt like Agott wanted an excuse to put Coco down in a horrible way.
アゴットの行動ガチでムカつくわ ココの試験のチャンスを危険に晒しただけじゃなくて、母親が石にされた話を持ち出すとか最低やん ワイこのキャラ嫌いやわ、おかげで今週の話もイライラしながら観てもうた テティアがココを責めるのは分かるけど、アゴットは度が過ぎてる 確かにココが悪いとこもあるけど、アゴットはただココを貶める口実が欲しかっただけにしか見えへんわ2ちゃん+20
crazy_leader22
The fact that you're getting downvoted for this is crazy lol
まじでそれな!アゴットあれだけやらかしたのに全然注意されないのやばくない??笑 しかもダウンボートされてるのおかしくね!?ギャル+10
AAA_BATT
it's another week of fuck Agott
今週もアゴットのクソって感じだな普通くん+20
Zetafunction64
Oh must be a nice relaxing episode where they go shopp...holy shit there are dragons? Poor Coco though
ワイ「今回は買い物回でまったりやな〜」→「は?ドラゴン湧いてるやんけwww」 ココちゃんマジで不憫やな…草2ちゃん+18
DynoTrooper
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I really have a hard time feeling bad for Agott at all. She knowingly put Coco in danger last episode, and before people say she expected her to give up, Cocos motivation is literally her mom’s life on the line. Coco either succeeds or she might as well die trying. And Agott knew this because she can’t seem to stop bringing up her trapped mom every chance she gets. She will need a hell of an arc to make me like her at all. Even Bakugo never really tried to kill Deku, sure he was abusive but he was always aiming to be a hero, so would never have crossed a line into potential murder. I feel like if Coco had died during the test she would’ve shrugged and said something like “Tuesday’s, amiright?” And then gone to bed.
アゴットに全然同情できないんだよね。前回、ココが危険な目に遭うってわかっててやったわけだし。彼女が諦めると思ったっていう人もいるかもしれないけど、ココのモチベーションは母親の命がかかってるんだよ。成功するか、死ぬ覚悟でやるしかない状況なんだ。それをアゴットは知ってるのに、母親の話を出すたびに引き合いに出してくる。 彼女を好きになるにはめちゃくちゃな成長エピソードが必要だわ。爆豪だってデクを殺そうとしたことはないし、確かに暴力的だったけど、ヒーローを目指してたから殺人に踏み越えることはなかった。もしココが試験中に死んでたら、アゴットは肩をすくめて「火曜日あるあるだよね」とか言って寝に行きそう。普通くん+24
Diggumdum
RIGHT? I pointed out how agott tried to kill coco by sending her on the test all alone and didn't even get SCOLDED and some guy replied to me saying I just want to see Agott get abused... The Fandom might be a little insane bro
せやせや!ワイもアゴットがココを一人で試験に行かせて殺そうとしたのに、全然叱られてないって指摘したら「お前はアゴットが虐められるの見たいだけやろ」って返してきたンゴwwwこのファンダムちょっと頭おかしいやろ2ちゃん+7
thoughtfullymade
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Just going to say this. Yall can be mad if yall want but Coco was wrong. She is careless because she was not born with Magic. Even though she is a child, the witch children understand the responsibility they have at a early age for the most part. Coco, doesn't quite understand. Also, children shouldn't run off from the adult supervising them, unless they are dangerous, and she is at the age that she should know this. When they get out of this, she needs to apologize.
言わせてもらうけど、ココは間違ってたと思う。怒る人もいるだろうけどさ。彼女は魔法を持って生まれなかったからって軽率すぎる。魔女の子供たちは幼い頃から責任を理解してるんだよ。ココはそれをちゃんとわかってない。それに、大人から勝手に離れちゃダメだろ、危険な場合以外は。彼女はもうそのくらいの年齢なんだからわかってるべきだし。この件が終わったら、ちゃんと謝るべきだと思う。普通くん+18
Hitman7128
Poor Coco, having to deal with the brunt of Agott's rant when she absent-mindedly touched Agott, causing her to mess up the seal. It's one thing to get frustrated over someone distracting you while doing a meticulous task, but it's another for Agott to make it an attack on Coco's character. Good thing Richeh covered the seal to escape the maze.
ココは不憫だな。無意識にアゴットに触れたことで封印を失敗させてしまったが、緻密な作業中に邪魔される苛立ちと、アゴットがそれをココの人格攻撃にまで発展させたのは別問題だ。 リチェが迷宮脱出のために封印を隠したのは賢い判断だった。彼女の機転が光るシーンだ。考察くん+17
Frontier246
And Coco was trying to give her plot-relevant information! Information that would have at the very least probably have been worth knowing if Agott didn't feel Coco offered nothing of value! Richech might be a stoic kuudere but she gets @#% done.
同意。「それな」的な立場で返すなら: 確かに、ココは重要な情報を伝えようとしてたんだよね。アガットが「お前の情報は無価値」って決めつけなきゃ、少なくとも知っておく価値はあったはず。リチェはクーデレだけど、ちゃんと結果出すじゃん。普通くん+23
AceSoldia
I've almost done a complete 180 on Agott..earned so much respect keeping calm and taking charge like she did. And..I cant entirely say she was wrong to blame Coco.
アゴットの印象ガラッと変わったわ……あの冷静さとリーダーシップ見せられるとマジで尊敬するわ。 つーかココ責めたのも、ワイは一概に間違いとは思えへんな。2ちゃん+16
Apprehensive_Law7969
reminding her about how she put her mom in a vegitative state every 2 episodes is not it gng
確かに。2話ごとに母親を植物状態にした話を持ち出すのはやりすぎだよね。普通くん+15
charactergallery
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Obviously what she said afterwards was unjustifiable, but her initial testiness after Coco accidentally made her ruin her spell was understandable in my opinion. Like the others (besides Richeh, cool as a cucumber that one) she is *stressed* and has the added burden of being the one the others are looking to for some kind of guidance. She is pretty much flying by the seat of her pants, trying to act calm while internally panicking and trying to find them a way out of there.
アゴットの評価ガラリと変わったわ。冷静に仕切っててマジで尊敬するわ。 後で言ったことは擁護できんけど、ココに魔法台無しにされた直後のイライラはわからんでもない。他の連中(リーチェは別やけどな、あいつはクールや)と同じくストレス溜まってるし、みんなからリーダー扱いされて重圧もあるんやろ。内心パニくってるのを必死で隠して、どうにか出口探そうとしてる感じやな。2ちゃん+8
koteshima2nd
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Valid crashout on Agott's part, they were in a life or death situation, but went too far with bringing up Coco's mother right there, and the "dead end" comment too. Jesus. I thought this was going to be a lighthearted episode about Coco choosing the wand (or the wand choosing her ala Harry Potter) but it went dark fast once the brimmed hat returned and everyone else ('cept Richeh) got a bit unreasonably fed up with Coco. Ended on a cliffhanger too, I need that next episode right now
アゴットの怒りはわかるよ、生死に関わる状況だったしね。でもココの母親の話を持ち出したのは言い過ぎだし、「行き止まり」発言もヤバかったわ。 最初はハリポタみたいにココが杖を選ぶ(or杖に選ばれる)軽いエピソードだと思ってたのに、つば広帽が戻ってきてリチェ以外の全員がココにちょっと理不尽にイライラし始めてから一気にダークになった。 しかもクリフハンガーで終わったし、次回すぐ見たいわ。普通くん+17
Frontier246
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I don't know if they needed the most attractive spirits of all time to showcase the Primary Tetrad of sigils representing the four elements, but it definitely made it look cooler. When playing with fire sigils, always have Tetia and some summonable water at the ready! And also if you want to see someone who REALLY loves to fly, watch Tetia zoomie-zoomie-zoom around everywhere! It's nice of Coco to want to fix the levitation shoes for Agott, even if it's more than Agott deserves, but the next step in her witch training is finding a "wand" she can properly write with. Which takes her, Qifrey, and her fellow apprentices to Kalhn, a genuine city of witches! Not only does Coco get to see the wonder of a city filled with magic and witches for whom magic is just second nature, but she finally feels like she's stepped into this world of magic. Even if Agott still wants nothing to do with her. Welcome to the Starry Sword! Where the elderly witch Nolnoa and the young boy Tartah show Coco how the magic is made! Literally, with the Silverwood tree and its branches that they draw conjuring ink, the lifeblood of witches, from! Oh snap! It's Coco's nemesis, the Brimmed Cap! I'm not surprised she'd chase them down, even if the rest of her apprentices are right behind her (including Agott who was planning to buy new shoes for levitation I guess and is now stuck babysitting Coco against her will). Of course none of them counted on being teleported by mist into a white labyrinth city...where a 2D animated dragon awaits them! Welcome to the wonders of magic, Coco, hope you survive your next "lesson!" Y'know, Qifrey, I respect how much you appreciate a magic stationer store, but like...can you keep a proper watch on your apprentices for more than FIVE minutes!? Agott's not my favorite witch, but her cool and mature head is probably good to have in a crisis situation. Tetia, on the other hand, is not handling things well and it seems like her life goal is to leave a single spell to her name which is why she can't die...and she can't help but look accusatory at Coco for getting them in to this mess. Even if a part of her feels bad for thinking that way. And to think she and Coco were the apprentices who got along best. I feel like Agott is going to regret not hearing what Coco had to say about the sigil she saw on a stairway...but Coco interrupting her sigil writing just finally makes her unload on Coco and how everything is her fault and how she has no business in this world. At least while the girls are fighting, Richech is being efficient and effective, but that's not going to make Coco feel any better. Is she really nothing more than a "dead end" to her fellow apprentices? Brushbuddy you are truly the MVP! That visual of the Bimmed Caps feels totally like an anime villain showcase.
【口調: 2ちゃん風】 四元素の印を見せるのにこんな美麗精霊必要か?って思ったけど、演出ガチでかっこよかったわ草 火の印使う時はテティアと水召喚必須やな!しかもテティアの飛び回る姿見てると「飛ぶの大好き!」って感じでワロタ ココがアゴットの浮遊靴直そうとするの優しいけど、あのツンデレには過ぎた待遇やろ。でも次の課題は「自分に合った杖」探し。カルンって魔女の街に来たんか!魔法が当たり前の世界にココがついに足を踏み入れた感じがすげえわ。アゴットは相変わらず塩対応やけどな 「星の剣」到着!老魔女ノルノアと少年タルタが魔法インクの作り方見せてくれるんか。銀の木から枝取ってインク作るの、魔女の命の源やね おっ、ココの宿敵つば広帽子登場!他の見習い(アゴット含む)が後ろにいるのに追いかけるココ、ガチで無謀やろwww そしたら霧で白い迷宮都市にワープ、しかも2Dアニメのドラゴン待ち構えてるし!ココよ、次の「授業」を生き残れ! キーフリー先生、文具店に夢中になるのは分かるけど、弟子の監視は5分以上ちゃんとやれや!ってツッコミ入れたくなるわ アゴットはワイの推しやないけど、危機的状況では冷静で頼りになるな。一方2ちゃん+19
Usodearu007
i mean qifrey at least trusted coco not to leave the damn shop and run off on her own. he probably never had such problems with the other girls. he already warned her about those masked guys and she still didnt talk to him about the guy.
確かにキーフレイはココのこと信頼してたし、他の子たちにはなかった問題抱えてたんだろうな。仮面の連中について警告したのに、ココはその男のことを話さなかったしね。普通くん+9
zairaner
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A lot of people where understandably annoyed last time that Quifrey at all lectured coco on being too reckless, but with hindsight it maybe would have been better if the lecture would have been longer so that she doesn't immediately after the person responsible for everything. Maybe quifrey should have also reminded her at some point that the witch responsible for her mothers crystallization is proably not to be trusted, but I imagine he didn't expect her to run into them immediately
前回キーフリーがココに無謀だと説教した件、多くの人が当然ながらイラついてたけど、今振り返るとあの説教をもっと長くすべきだったかもしれないな。説教が短かったせいで、ココが全ての元凶である人物とすぐに対峙しちゃったわけだし。 キーフリーは母親を結晶化させた魔女を信頼すべきじゃないって、どこかでもう一度注意しておくべきだったと思う。ただ、まさかココがその人物と即座に鉢合わせするとは予想してなかったんだろうな。考察くん+17
Jobe1105
On one hand, I hate Agott's character. But on the other hand, I can't help but agree with her in this case.
アゴットのキャラは嫌いだけど、今回の件に関しては同意せざるを得ないんだよね。普通くん+15
Cringe_masters
This episode is the best so far and convinced me that I will love this anime. 86's "I don't want to die" is also the episode where I knew the show will be good. I now have two nickels.
今までのエピソードで一番やばかったわ。これでワイもこのアニメ好き確定や 86の「死にたくない」回も「これはイケる」と思えたエピソードやったけどな。これでワイのコインが2枚になったわ2ちゃん+14
Prof_Acorn
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It's a nice confirmation episode that this isn't slice-of-life. Rather, it's more a show that keeps trying to be slice-of-life but extreme events keep happening that throws all the slice-of-life into chaos and adventure. Happy times at the fabric shop! Ohh, time to play with the coloring boo — mother is petrified with crystals. Yay it's time to relax and study magic texts. Sure, I'll take a tes — thrown into the wilds. So cool, a magic town and a magic stationary. I wonder which pen I'll get to hav — labyrinth dragon.
確かに。このアニメは日常系に見せかけて、すぐにカオスな冒険に持っていくスタイルだね。 - 布屋で楽しい時間 → 母が結晶化 - 魔法の本で勉強 → いきなり荒野に放り出される - 魔法の町で文房具選び → 迷宮のドラゴン出現 この緩急の付け方が良い感じで、日常パートの安心感が逆に次の展開を怖くさせるんだよな。普通くん+12
xSpaceR1337
Guess it really doesn’t happen every day that an outsider like Coco just steps into the magic world. The second you say she’s new to all of this, everyone already knows exactly who she is. I’m glad that almost everyone besides Agott is pretty nice and respectful to her. new thumbs up reaction image dropped
ココみたいな部外者がいきなり魔法の世界に飛び込むなんて、そうそうあることじゃないよな。新参者って言った瞬間、もう全員が誰か分かっちゃうんだからな。アゴット以外はほとんどみんな親切で敬意を持って接してくれてるのは良かったわ。 新しいいいねリアクション画像きたww2ちゃん+15
HolyDragSwd2500
Her wand should be the thing she used to measure clothes/ made boat fly Brushbuddy is adorable and will save day by leading Quifey to them
やばっ!彼女の杖って服測るやつとか船飛ばすやつだったんだね! ブラッシュバディ可愛すぎん?笑 多分クィフィーを連れてきてみんなを救うんだろうな〜まじでギャル+12
SIRTreehugger
Man if only the evil organization can wear the cool magical hats I'm being evil damn it. Couldn't imagine being a wizard without the big puffy hat...no offense to the coneheads, but that hat is so unappealing.
悪の組織だけがかっこいい魔法の帽子をかぶれるなら、俺も悪の道に進むしかないだろ。あのでかいふわふわ帽子なしの魔法使いなんて考えられない…コーンヘッドには悪いけど、あの帽子は魅力ゼロだわ。普通くん+11
ruineinsha
that ending is actually a crime holy shit fine ill read the source
あの終わり方、マジで犯罪級だわ しんどすぎるッ! ……わかったよ、原作読むから感情くん+14
Magnafeana
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* Is Mister Nonoa giving Scottish? * Brushbuddy!!! * Nope. This is the Backrooms. Absolutely the fuck not. You don’t ever go into the Backrooms. * The way Agott pronounces things, she sometimes is giving Irish lass who puts on an English accent. I think that’d be a cool layer. >You are our one and only hope. “Help me, Obi Wan CocoNobi. You’re our only hope”. I blame Tarhalindur for this. * **I don’t wanna die.** * Avid (ft. mizuki) by Sawano plays intensely* *cries in 86I * Dragons not beating their big cat allegations. * Agott still needs to calm the fuck down. I get it. Coco *is* ignorant to conventions of magic society. And Agott is a child, who will act like a child. But good lord. It doesn’t help the other apprentices seem to silently agree. I see no one coming to Coco’s defense here. * Cons are gonna be so fun with WHA cosplayers. * ***If anything happens to Brushbuddy, I will kill everyone and then myself**. *** Some of the shots reminded me of Shaft. Not loving not *seeing* Agott not get any consequences for her actions. I admit though: Qifrey ain’t too hot as a teacher. Now—I recognize educators have a difficult task, and Qifrey’s educator position also kinda involves parental care *on top of* magical education. I’m sure having three apprentices who were already embedded in magic society makes it easier to be hands off. But it’s a bit unsettling how unfocused he is making sure Coco properly acclimates. We’re already on EP4, and maybe apprenticeships are largely independent—but I’ve yet to see him actually teach lessons and bond with the girls. I’m hoping that changes. I don’t know if things were removed from the manga, so I’m not seeing the full view or if this is *intentional*, so I’ll wait it out. I like Qifrey. But my guy, you ain’t high up in my top animanga teachers right now and the bar is so fucking low 😭 Brushbuddy makes the *cutest* noises ever. Whoever VAs them should meet Dee Bradley Baker and have an act-off on who can make the cutest animal noises. Agott and Qifrey are overcooking my grits here 🙃
* ノノア先生ってスコットランド訛り? * ブラシバディー!!! * いや、ここバックルームだろ。絶対入っちゃダメな場所。 * アゴットの話し方、たまにアイルランド娘がイギリス英語っぽくしてる感じあるよね。それ面白い層だと思う。 > お前だけが希望だ。 「助けてくれ、オビ=ワン・ココノビ。お前だけが希望だ」 タルハリンドゥルのせい。 * **死にたくない。** * *澤野「Avid (ft. mizuki)」が激しく流れる* *86で泣いた* * ドラゴン、大型ネコ扱いまだ続いてるのね。 * アゴットはまだ落ち着くべきだわ。ココが魔法社会の常識知らないのはわかるし、アゴットも子供だから仕方ないけど。でもさ、他の見習いが黙認してるのも問題だろ。誰もココを庇わないし。 * イベントでWHAのコスプレ楽しそう。 * ***ブラシバディーに何かあったら、全員殺してから自分も死ぬ***。 --- 一部のカットがシャフトっぽかった。 アゴットが何の咎めも受けないのはちょっとな。キーフリーも教師としてイマイチだわ。 教育者は大変だし、キーフリーは魔法教育プラス親代わりもやってるのは理解してる。でも、既に魔法社会に馴染んでる3人の見習いがいるから手抜きして普通くん+11
Substantial-Fig4934
Coco never told qifrey that agott pretty much forced her into the test, to him he has no reason to scold her
せやな、ココはアゴットに無理やり試験受けさせられたってことをキーフレイに言ってないんやろな。そらキーフレイからしたら叱る理由なんてないわな。2ちゃん+21
Magnafeana
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It’s not about Coco telling him because I doubt she’d do that. She’s both too kind and still too hesitant to do that. But ***Qifrey*** not even doing any sort of proper follow up to why and how Coco would ever know *how* to do the test in the first place and monitoring his apprentices to see which ones are behaving unusually around this whole event. I don’t know what Agott’s baseline is. But the fact that Coco immediately goes to her to show happily she completed the challenge and Agott reacts like that—does this not warrant a side chat with Agott on all this? We just let it go? Really, Qifrey? When she could’ve died out there? I’m trying to give some leniency on Agott because she’s a child and seems to have something going on that has a chip on her shoulder. She’s not in the right ***at all***. Coco could’ve died. And even this episode, Agott yelling at Coco isn’t right. Still, Agott’s a kid, she seems to have something going on, I’m willing to wait for us to learn her lore. ***But*** Qifrey has something bombastic side eye from me on how he manages his apprentices. *He’s* the adult here. And insofar, while he’s friendly to his apprentices, it’s very telling how negligent he is. Like sir, I get you care about this brimmed hat buckaroos, but we have a call coming from inside the house. You have an appreciate who is magic-naive, traumatized, and was in danger. You (Qifrey) are way too relaxed about all this, mate. But this could be Qifrey’s own arc. I don’t know if so. It’s almost common how educators in anime and manga just kinda sit back and let students do whatever (or the opposite and grown ass adults be way too involved in their students’ lives for my comfort 😭). But since he’s the adult here and he willingly took on all these young ladies to educate them and provide for them—I put a lot of judgment on him. I will wait for his lore though. But no, Coco seems not to have told Qifrey. Qifrey is an adult who should’ve done his due diligence.
確かにココがキーフレイに言うとは思えないな。彼女は優しすぎるし、まだそうするにはためらいがある。 でもキーフレイが、なんでココが試験のやり方を知ってるのかちゃんと追及しないのか疑問だし、弟子たちの様子も監視すべきだよね。 アガットがココに「課題クリアしたよ!」って嬉しそうに報告した時のあの反応…これでアガットと話し合わないの? 見逃すの? 彼女が死ぬ可能性もあったのに。 アガットは子供だし、何か抱えてるっぽいから多少は大目に見てるけど、それでも彼女が正しいわけじゃない。ココが死にかけたんだから。 でもキーフレイが一番気になる。大人なのに弟子の管理が杜撰すぎる。親切だけど、明らかに無頓着だよ。 魔法に疎くてトラウマ抱えて危険な目にあった弟子がいるのに、のんきすぎるだろ。 教育者ってアニメや漫画だとよく生徒を放置するタイプか、逆に過干渉なタイプだけど…彼は大人で自ら弟子を引き受けたんだから、ちゃんと責任持ってほしい。 彼の事情を聞くまでは保留だけどね。普通くん+13
NationalStrategy
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Surely he can infer what happened based on what he does know. He left Agott in charge of Coco, and came back to find out that his brand new impressionable apprentice was taking a test that she had no prior knowledge of, and without his approval. It would be reasonable of him to deduce that Agott was responsible for that situation. So either he believes that Agott made Coco take the test without his permission, or he believes that Coco somehow learned about the details and location of the test completely on her own in the timespan of his absence, all while Agott was neglecting her responsibilities and not watching after Coco; either way, she deserves to be scolded.
せやな、キーフリーが状況から察することぐらいできるやろ。アゴットにココを任せてたのに、戻ってきたら新米の見習いが事前知識もなく勝手に試験受けてたんだぞ。アゴットが仕組んだって推測するのが妥当やん。 つまりキーフリーは、アゴットが勝手にココを試験受けさせたと思うか、ココが自分だけで試験の詳細と場所を調べ上げたと思うか、どっちかや。後者ならアゴットは監督責任放棄してるし、どっちにしろ叱られて当然やろな。2ちゃん+12
cleaulem
I hope that Agott gets some serious character development very soon, because right now she is spoiling the fun for me watching this show with her nasty attitude. At this point it doesn't matter how hard she has it herself, her abrasive reactions against Coco is absolutely uncalled for and is borderline bullying.
アゴットには早くちゃんとしたキャラ成長してほしいな。今のままじゃ彼女の嫌な態度がこのアニメの楽しみを台無しにしてるんだよね。 自分が大変なのはわかるけど、ココに対するあのキツい反応は完全に度を越してて、いじめに近いと思うわ。普通くん+11
LonelyAstronaut984
so Agott wasn't punished at all for knowingly putting Coco in danger?!?!? I'm so done with her
アゴット、ココを危険に晒したのに全く罰せられないんか?!?!? ワイ、もうアゴットにマジでキレたンゴwww2ちゃん+13
steven4869
Qiffrey deserves some blame as well, he might be a great witch but not a great guardian.
確かにアゴットも悪いけどキーフリーも同罪だろ!偉大な魔女かもしれないけど保護者としてはガッカリすぎるッ!!感情くん+9
PeaceAlien
Agott is quite talented herself and I'm sure the two will become friends eventually. Coco keeps being put into very difficult situations, poor girl.
アゴット自身もかなり才能あるよね。きっとそのうち二人は友達になると思う。 ココは本当に大変な状況に次々と巻き込まれてるな…かわいそうに。普通くん+13
Se7en_Sinner
Agott's presumably sad backstory is going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting.
確かに!Agottも天才じゃんね。でもその天才設定を支えるために、彼女の過去話がめっちゃ重要になってくるってことか〜。楽しみすぎる!ギャル+17
fraid_so
NGL, even though she's a kid, she's already so unlikeable that I doubt there's much a sad backstory could do to change my opinion.
確かに、子供とはいえ今のところあまり好感持てないよね。悲しい過去がどう作用するかはわからないけど、俺の印象が大きく変わるかは微妙だな。普通くん+16
theblazingsword
Someone in the comments said it's reminiscent of Bakugo/Deku, but I feel as though sad backstories shouldn't entirely excuse being an asshole and trying to kill others. Bullying is pretty shitty and Coco already has a lot on her plate feeling guilty about possibly dooming her mom irreparably.
せやな、過去が辛いからって人殺し未遂とか許されるわけちゃうやろ。Cocoも母親のことですでに責任感じてるのに、さらにイジメられるとか可哀想すぎるンゴ。Bakugo/Dekuの比はワイも違うと思うわ。2ちゃん+11
ali94127
Bakugo's reason to hate Deku is fundamentally really silly and genuinely makes him look worse in all honesty. It doesn't excuse Agott's actions, but abused children act like bullies all the time.
確かに。爆豪がデクを嫌う理由は根本的に幼稚だし、むしろ彼を悪く見せてるよな。アゴットの行動を正当化するわけじゃないけど、虐待された子供がよくいじめっ子になるのは事実だね。普通くん+16
Frontier246
Coco probably should have immediately found Qifrey when she saw the BrimmedCap but I don't think anyone (other than Agott) can really blame her for wanting to chase down the only means she had of saving her mother. Even if it seems like the Brimmed Cap's plan was to throw into her the deep end as a new magic "lesson" one way or another.
せやな。ココがハイマント見つけた時はすぐキーフリー呼ぶべきやったけど、母親助ける手段がそれしかなかったって考えると責められへんわな。 Agott以外はなwww ハイマントの狙いはどっちにせよココを「魔法の授業」って形で深みにハメることやったっぽいし。2ちゃん+10
Conspicor
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Agott used some venomous words, but her crash-out felt justified to me. Coco is being reckless and careless. Following after that witch without a second thought, what did she expect would happen? Unaware of her surroundings and interrupting Agott who is just trying to save their lives. Even in the previous episode, even if Agott made Coco take the test, Coco actively put herself in danger by experimenting with a new spell, she could have easily gotten hurt if things didn't work out well for her. And now once again, Coco's thoughtless actions are causing trouble for everyone. Agott is mean and unlikable, but I totally understand why she lashed out at Coco here.
アゴットの言葉はキツかったけど、あのキレ方には納得できたよ。ココが無鉄砲で軽率すぎるんだよね。魔女を後先考えずに追いかけていって、何が起きると思ったんだろう?周りに気を配らず、命を救おうとしてるアゴットの邪魔までしてるし。前の話でも、アゴットが試験を受けさせたとはいえ、新しい魔法を試して自ら危険に飛び込んでたし、もしうまくいかなかったら簡単にケガしてたはずだよ。 そして今回も、ココの考えのない行動がみんなに迷惑かけてる。 アゴットは意地悪で好感持てないけど、ここでココに怒るのは完全に理解できるな。普通くん+10
Prof_Acorn
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>Coco's thoughtless actions are causing trouble for everyone. She didn't invite the others. The others weren't invited. She ran off, on her own. The others chose to follow. Tetia is the one who aggroed the dragon. Magott spent time bitching instead of fixing the seal (good on Richeh for picking up her slack). She also missed the seal in the middle of the labyrinth. Coco and Richeh are the only ones with a cool head here, and only Coco has seen the seal in the middle of the labyrinth. None of them are at fault for causing the situation though. The culpability falls entirely on the brimmed hat who kidnapped them. It's like if some dude in a van grabbed four little girls running around the city. One of the girls blames another because she's the one who ran off. Another thinks about her as the cause. Well they chased her. She could have gotten kidnapped alone if that would make them happy. But then all the while ain't no-one blaming the goddamn kidnapper.
ココの無鉄砲な行動がみんなに迷惑かけてるって? いやいや、彼女は一人で飛び出したんだよ。他の連中は勝手についてきただけやん。 ドラゴンを挑発したのはテティアやし。 マゴットは封印直す前に愚痴ってただけやろ(リチェはちゃんと働いてたな)。しかも迷宮中央の封印見逃してるし。 冷静なのはココとリチェだけだし、中央の封印見たのもココだけや。 そもそも状況を作った原因は、連れ去ったブリムハットのやつに全責任あるやろ。 例えるなら、街で遊んでる4人の少女をバンに拉致ったやつがいるとして、 「あの子が逃げたからだ」って別の子を責めるようなもんやん。 追いかけたのは自分たちやろ。一人で拉致られればよかったってか? でも結局、誰も拉致ったクソ野郎を責めてないってのがな。2ちゃん+8
RaidenXYae
how long until Agott stops being the most unlikable character ever made
アゴットがいつになったらマシになるんだろうな。今のところマジで嫌なキャラすぎる。普通くん+8
Diggumdum
>agott nearly intentionally kills coco last episode with ZERO repercussions >agott coldly brushes coco away upon entering the market >Qifrey asks coco how's her relationship with agott is the show is great but some of the character writing is horrible lmao
「アガット、前回のエピソードでココをほぼ故意に殺しかけたのに、まったく咎められてないんだよな」 「市場に入る時も、アガットが冷たくココをあしらってるし」 「キーフレイがココに『アガットとの関係はどうだ?』って聞くのも……」 このアニメ、作品自体は素晴らしいんだけど、一部のキャラクター描写はひどすぎるわ(笑)。アガットの行動と周囲の反応の矛盾を考えると、制作陣が意図的に不協和音を演出しているという考察もできるが、単純に脚本のバランスが崩れている可能性が高いと思われる。考察くん+10
RonDaAllan
As the episodes progress, im starting to hate aggott. Maybe she'll change in the future but she's very arrogant and hateful
エピソードが進むにつれてアゴットが嫌いになってきた。将来変わるかもしれないけど、今のところ傲慢で憎たらしいんだよね普通くん+9
DrZoark
Richeh is the best.
リチェがマジで最高なんだけど!!やばくね!?ギャル+11
pegium
This episode made me cry so much, I have called useless so much as a child and told I was a problem and seeing Coco being told awful stuff about her and her mother made me so sad, I wanted to her hug the entire time
草www この回ガチで泣いたわ 子供の頃に「役立たず」とか「お前が問題だ」って言われまくってたから、ココが母親と一緒にクソみたいなこと言われてるの見てマジで胸が痛んだンゴ… ずっと抱きしめてやりたかったわ2ちゃん+10
taldirkao
The Sith... sorry, the "Evil Witches" should've just taken Coco under their wing and taught her magic for their supposedly evil plans right from the start, instead she has to endure these little assholes and an empty headed teacher who is not fit to take care of children at all. How did they manage to make all the main cast except for the MC so unlikeable?
シス…いや"悪い魔女"たちは最初からココを弟子にして悪だくみに利用すればよかったのに。なんでこんな小ガキどもと、子供の面倒を見る資格すらない空っぽ頭の教師に耐えなきゃいけないんだよ。主人公以外の主要キャラ全員をこんなに不快にするなんてどうやったんだ?普通くん+11
Krider-kun
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God do I fucking hate Agott and I hope the anime gets better or have Agott be slapped for being such a bitch. She has zero empathy at all. I cannot handle characters like her getting scott free from leaving someone almost to die.  God I am not looking forward to whatever sappy sad backstory she is going to have in order to justify the shit she does and says to Coco. I do not want to spend entire season having this dynamic between Agott and Coco.  At least they are all children and kids can be too blunt with how they feel.
Agottまじでムカつくンゴwww あのクソビッチぶん殴られろや。共感力ゼロやん。人を死にかけにしといてノーダメとか許せんわ。 どうせCocoに対する酷い言動を正当化するための泣き話が後で出てくるんだろ?そんなん見たくないわ。シーズン丸ごとAgottとCocoの関係性とかマジでゴメンや。 まあ子供だからストレートに感情出すのはしゃーないけどな。2ちゃん+12
Demolosse001
Glad someone else thinks the same. I am usually fine with asshole characters but I am absolutely done with Agott's shit. She's making the actual evil witch look more sympathetic lol.
それな!まじでアガットにはうんざりなんだけど笑 普段は性格悪いキャラも許せるんだけど、アガットのクソっぷりはもう限界じゃん? むしろ本物の悪い魔女の方が同情できるレベルだよね〜笑ギャル+16
m3m31ord
I forgot how bitter Agott is at the beginning of the story lmao.
草www 序盤のアゴット、マジで性格悪すぎてワロタwww2ちゃん+10
Lunchb0xx87
Way too many comments on here defending agott..I get kids can say harsh things but the mother attack was way out of line and this is coming from the girl who almost got coco killed days after they met ..they have been in the magic work alot longer than coco and should understand that
アゴットを擁護するコメントが多すぎるな…子供が厳しいことを言うのは理解できるが、母親への攻撃は完全に限度を超えている。しかもこれは、出会って数日でココを死にかけさせた少女からの発言だ。彼女たちはココよりずっと長く魔法の世界にいて、それを理解すべきだったという考察ができる。考察くん+10
Syokhan
Brushbuddy is just like Lassie, what a good little boy. Man, having a tree inside your house or shop sounds really neat. Or at the very least it makes for an amazing sight. Now I wonder if there are houses like this in the real world, and if it's more inconvenient than it seems or not.
Brushbuddyがラッシーみたいで草www ほんまええ子やで 家の中に木があるってマジでオシャレやん。少なくとも見た目は最高やな。現実にこういう家あるんか気になるわ。実際は不便なんかどうなんやろな2ちゃん+7
No_Name0_0
Nooooo, I was excited for Ollivander like wand choosing subplot exploring different designs and stuff, fuck you brimmed caps. Ritcheh is a vibe tho, she is unfazed lmao
リッチェは雰囲気あるな、動じないの笑えるわ。でもオリバンダーみたいな杖選びのサブプロットで色んなデザインとか見られると思ってたのに、ツバ広帽子め……マジかよ。普通くん+6
ARES_GOD
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This episode was great for world building but also for character development and story we got so much show dont tell I love it. The first half gave me a lot of Harry Potter vibes but also reminded me of the witches From Berserk. Agott is a character that for now I love to hate but I am curious where they are gonna go with her and if the pay off is going to be worth it. Especially after that snap at Coco which I get in a way she has a point but thats no way to talk to someone especially being a hypocrite after putting Coco through the trial in that situation because she did it intentionally meanwhile Coco just doesnt know and even here she tried to help. All the character moments we got in this episode were great Tetia and Richeh also. But what does it mean for Coco "You are our hope" from the shady witch ??? Building up the mistery. I have a video review if anyone is interested. Thank You.
このエピソード、世界観もキャラもストーリーも全部ガチで良かったわ。説明臭くなくて自然に伝わってくるのが最高や。 前半はハリポタ感あるけど、ベルセルクの魔女も思い出したわ。 アゴットは今のところ「嫌いだけど気になる」って感じやな。ココにああいう言い方するのは確かにムカつくけど、彼女の言い分もわからんでもない。でも自分の試験はアレなのにココには説教って、どっちやねんって話や。 テティアとリチェの場面も良かったわ。 で、あの怪しい魔女がココに「お前が希望だ」って言った意味が気になりすぎるンゴwww 動画レビューも上げてるから興味ある人は見てな。ありがとう。2ちゃん+6
2kenzhe
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I feel bad for Coco but she really was too impulsive here. Lets hope they all make it out of here. Already facing a dragon on what like day 3 of being a witch, goddamn. Also yeah of course you would have predrawn spells ready so you don't have to draw on the spot every time. I love that. Smart of Tetia to use her cloak as a distraction and then great of Richeh breaking through that dead end. Coco though can't seem to do anything and Agott's beefing with her. Even Tetia blamed Coco for a bit with her eyes there but I mean yeah it really kinda Coco's bad for them getting trapped here, though, obviously, the blame should be on that brimmed hat witch who sent them here in the first place. Richeh the goat, though. No hate, just being useful and locking in. You know whyshe finished first and got them through that dead end? Cuz she isn't wasting time fighting. I also really wonder though what's special about Coco besides her crystallizing her mom that the brimmed hats paying attention so much and even coming to her directly like this?
ココには同情するけど、確かにここでは衝動的すぎたな。魔女になって3日目でドラゴンに遭遇って、マジかよって感じだ。 あと、やっぱり事前に描いた魔法陣を用意しておくのは賢い戦略だよな。テティアがマントを囮にして、リチェが行き止まりを突破した流れは見事だった。 でもココは何もできず、アガットとも対立してる。テティアも一瞬目でココを責めてたけど、確かに彼女のせいで閉じ込められた面はある。とはいえ、元凶はここに送り込んだツバあり帽子の魔女だ。 リチェはマジで有能だよな。無駄な争いをせず、ただ役に立つことに集中してる。彼女が真っ先に課題をクリアして行き止まりを突破した理由がわかる。 それにしても、ココがツバあり帽子にここまで注目される理由って、母親を結晶化させたこと以外に何か特別な要素があるんだろうな。考察くん+7
redditraptor6
Holy shit the plot wasted no time at all did it?
マジで展開はやくない!?笑 もう始まった瞬間からやばいんだけどギャル+8
kilua87
Brushbuddy MVP to the rescue
ブラッシュバディがMVPすぎて助かったわ普通くん+7
Volfaer
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That is some neat world building, a city built on a river island, initially to protect and then turning into a trading hub for witches, and we even get a little insight into the way pens and ink is made, but obviously we wouldn't get a break after the last episode ending scene. Of course the villain organization has the style and they are targeting Coco for some reason, dragging the rest of the apprentices into this. It hurt so much, Tetia has been the most positive of them towards Coco, so she being the first to look at her with a gaze that undeniably meant what Coco got, added with the justified anger of Agott, our girl is just so alone right now. I wonder what is the brimmed hat plan. If it worked like intended, Coco would get stranded in a labyrinth with a dangerous animal, is he wanting to catch her alone and try to get her into the brimmed hats?
世界観の作り込みがガチで丁寧やな。川の中州の町が魔女の交易拠点になったって設定もいいし、ペンやインクの製造工程も見せてくれるし。でも前回のラスト展開から休ませてくれねえんやろな。 悪役組織がスタイリッシュすぎるンゴwww しかも何故かココを狙ってるっぽくて、他の見習いまで巻き込んでるやん。テティアが一番ココに好意的やったのに、あの目つきはガチで「お前がやったんか」って意味やったやろ…アゴットの怒りも当然やし、今のココは完全に孤立しとるわ。 つば広帽の計画が気になるンゴ。もし成功してたら、ココは危険な動物がいる迷宮に閉じ込められてたわけやろ? あいつ、ココを一人にさせて勧誘しようとしてるんか?2ちゃん+6
Asgerond
Really loved the chase scene with Coco Great homage to The Goat Scooby Doo
ココの追跡シーン、めっちゃ好きだわ まさにスクービードゥーへのオマージュって感じだったね普通くん+6
Vahallen
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So, is Coco actually special? Why does the large hat care about her and call her hope? My only guess is that people able to use forbidden magic have to be special and not just anyone can do it, otherwise I don’t get why you would care about a random kid I’m aware the show makes multiple times the point that magic can actually be used by anyone, but I call bullshit, the whole Coco and Large Hat conundrum makes no sense if there is not something special about Coco
ココって結局特別なんか?なんで大帽子が彼女に注目して「希望」なんて呼んでるんや 禁術使えるやつは特別な存在やからってことか?ただのガキに構う理由が他に思いつかんわ 「魔法は誰でも使える」って何度も強調してるけど、それはガセやろ。ココに何か特別なもんがないと大帽子との話が意味不明すぎるンゴwww2ちゃん+6
Nightsong
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Coco is a neutral third party. The Pointed Cap Witches are stuck in their way of regulating magic and keeping it out of the hands of the people. The Brimmed Hat Witches are the other end of the spectrum and stuck in their way of using forbidden magic and wanting to share magic, even if it’s dangerous. The Brimmed Hat Witch you see wants Coco to act as a bridge between the two groups and change the status quo.
ココは中立な第三者って感じだね。とんがり帽子の魔女たちは魔法を制限して民衆から遠ざけるやり方に固執してて、つば広帽子の魔女たちはその逆で禁術を使いながら危険でも魔法を広めようとしてる。あのつば広帽子の魔女は、ココに二つの派閥の架け橋になって現状を変えてほしいんだと思う。普通くん+8
Slifer13xx
Aiight, a lot of frustrating shit this episode but ultimately to be expected from a bunch of kids I guess. Except for Qifrey though, because what the hell has he been doing. A pisspoor job of easing a normal child into the world of magic, that's what. I'm also not jiving with the comedy bits at all this episode. Feels really tonedeaf in these situations imo.
確かに今週はもどかしい展開が多かったな。ただ、所詮は子供たちの集まりだと考えれば納得できる。ただしキーフリーは別だ。彼が一体何をしていたのか。普通の子供を魔法の世界に導く役目を、まったく果たせていないとしか言いようがない。また、今回のコメディパートも全く合っていないと思う。このシリアスな状況下では、明らかにトーンがズレているという考察ができる。考察くん+6
Malrottian
Faked us out with a shopping episode.
買い物回かと思って騙されたわ。普通くん+6
galactic-toast-
So I just started watching recently and caught up. **Can someone tell me how the hell this took 10 years to get adapted into anime?!** It's amazing so far and convinced me in episode 1 already.
やばくね!?この作品、なんでアニメ化に10年もかかったの!? まじで1話から最高すぎて一気に追いついちゃったんだけど笑 やっぱ神作品は時間かかるってことか〜!ギャル+5