放送 2026-08-22更新 2026-08-31
Namaryu
Should not have underestimated Boraqchin. Sitara really thought she had the whole politic intrigue figured out and she has been played like a fiddle. You can liiterally see her face of defeat when given the final jada stone that was meant to support Toregene (and their revenge) to save one that caused it all.
ボラクチンを舐めすぎやろ。シタラは政治工作全部読み切った気でおったけど、完全に手のひらで踊らされとるやん。最後にジャダの石渡された時のシタラの敗北の顔、ガチで見どころやったわ。トーレゲネ(と復讐)のために用意した石を、元凶を救うために使わされるんやからな。2ちゃん
ErikTwice
Sitara might be the dumbest woman in the series. It’s not her fault, she’s one of the smartest main characters I’ve seen in a while. But she’s like that three year old chess prodigy who got fucking Kasparov dropped on him on TV. And there’s only one Queen in chess, here? Here she’s against four at the same time.
シタラはシリーズで一番無能な女かもしれない。彼女のせいじゃないけど、最近見た主要キャラの中では一番賢い方だと思う。でも彼女はテレビでカスパロフと対戦させられた3歳のチェス神童みたいなものだ。しかもチェスにはクイーンが1人しかいないのに、ここでは同時に4人と戦ってるんだよ。普通くん
CitronClassic672
That is something I am really liking about this show so far. Sitara as our MC is very smart but so are her biggest adversaries in Boraqchin and Sorgaghtani. Currently Sitara’s main flaw is assuming she’s the only smart schemer in the Mongol court.
ワイが今このアニメで一番気に入っとる所やな。主人公シタラは賢いけど、敵役のボラクチンとソルガクタニも同等に賢いんや。今のところシタラの欠点は、モンゴル宮廷で自分だけが策略家やと思い込んでるトコやなwww2ちゃん
Zeph-Shoir
She is smart, but lacks experience and influence. So far she hasn't had a proper scheme of her own, and given how Boraqchin has played her like a fiddle, she will become a new prime target for the fire in her heart.
彼女は賢いけど、経験と影響力が足りないね。今のところ自分独自の策略を持ってないし、ボラクチンにいいように操られてるから、このままじゃ心の炎の新たな標的になりそうだな。普通くん
darthvall
Arrogance usually comes with young age
若さゆえの傲慢ってやつだなwwwwおじ
Dark_Lordy
Oh, so I was not the only one to think of that meme.
あのミームを思い浮かべたのは俺だけじゃなかったんだな。普通くん
DutchPeasant
That was Karpov, not Kasparov.
カスパロフじゃなくてカルポフやんけ草2ちゃん
reaperow
She severely underestimated her, especially when she's the former wife of Genghis Khan himself Political Chess is probably her strongest suit
彼女、完全に相手を舐めてたよね。特に相手がチンギス・ハーンの元妻だってのに。政治チェスなら彼女の十八番すぎるッ!感情くん
inaripotpi
Freakin' Orochimaru, always bullying kids
マジで大蛇丸ってさ、いつも子どもいじめてるよな普通くん
KazuharaIlfan
Feels like a setup in the future when Toregene asked to see the stone as proof of her loyalty and oath they swore early on but Fatima would be ashamed to have nothing to show
トーレゲネが忠誠の証として石を見せろと言った時、将来の伏線って感じだな。でもファティマは何も見せられなくて恥じるんだろうな。ドライおじ
BosuW
Hmm is saving "the one that caused it all" that bad right now though? After all the goal isn't to assassinate the Khagan, but to rattle the Empire. For that, it's good if Ögedei remains alive for now. The biggest Ls here are more that Tolui, their agitator element, might be soon to disappear, and that Boraqchin successfully dismantled the Sitara-Töregene bloc.
うーん、でも今の時点で「元凶」を助けるのがそんなに悪いことかな?結局のところ、目的はカガンを暗殺することじゃなくて、帝国を揺さぶることだろ。そのためには、オゴデイが今のところ生きてる方が都合がいいんだよ。ここでの最大の痛手は、むしろ扇動役のトルイが消えそうなことと、ボラクチンがシタラ=トレゲネ連合をうまく解体しちゃったことだな。普通くん
ButterIsMyLifeblood
Tolui had some really great character moments here.
トルイまじで神回だったんだけど!!あのキャラ描写やばくない!?ギャル
Namaryu
When he said that there is a greater sinner than his brother and that he would gladly take up his sins on himself I was like moved.
兄より大きな罪人がいるって言った時、しかも自らその罪を背負うって言った時はマジで感動したッ!感情くん
IndividualPlay5178
Him being aware of the sins committed by himself or through his commands is oddly touching. Imagine modern leaders missing a sleep about the people suffering due to their decisions
自分がやった罪とか命令の結果をちゃんと自覚してるとこ、なんかグッとくるじゃん!?
現代のリーダーたちも、自分の決断で苦しんでる人たちのことで一睡もできなくなるくらい考えてほしいんだけど笑ギャル
BosuW
Eh I doubt he misses any sleep cuz of this I know this episode got us glazing him, but being honest I think this part is just him paying lip service. It's not reflected in his actions at all.
いや、これで寝られなくなることはないと思うよ。この回でみんな彼を褒めまくってるけど、正直この部分は口だけだと思う。行動には全然反映されてないしね。普通くん
tiredpandax3
I guess it’s because while they also take it as a sin for how many lives they’ve stolen, they also take it as a great honour. That’s what Tolui said in episode 3 after returning from the campaign that destroyed Tus. He said he did it in a way honourable of Genghis Khan, so he’s obviously not remorseful but extremely proud
推測するに、彼らは奪った命の数を罪として捉える一方で、それを大きな名誉とも捉えているんだろうな。これは3話でトルイがトゥースを滅ぼした遠征から帰還した後に語ったことと一致する。彼はチンギス・ハンにふさわしい名誉ある方法で成し遂げたと言っていたから、明らかに悔恨の念はなく、むしろ極度の誇りを持っているという考察ができる。考察くん
Zeph-Shoir
He is simply a very charismatic asshole. Love "villains" like that!
ただのカリスマ性あるクソ野郎やな。こういう「悪役」大好きやわ!2ちゃん
GardenRemarkable7916
原文
I don't think it was a lip service. I belive that they do these things for the sake of their country, family and nation so they genuely believe that it is better for them to do these things and they feel proud to be succesful for their nation while they also accept how they harmed people and it is something ethically and generally really sinful. Tolui seems like the person that wouldn't mind the others if they are on his way but loves his family a lot tied to them genuely and can do anything for them
口先だけの言葉じゃないと思うんだよね。彼らは国や家族、民族のためにやってるから、本心でそうするのが良いと思ってるし、国のために成功できて誇りに感じてる。でも同時に、自分たちが人を傷つけたことも認めてて、それは倫理的にも一般的にも本当に罪深いことだって自覚してる。トルイは、自分の道を邪魔する奴は気にしないけど、家族は本当に大切にしてて、深く結びついてるし、彼らのためなら何でもできるって感じの人だね。普通くん
Misticsan
Between summoning a snowstorm and his evil laugh in front of the weakened Jin army, he was like a supervillain. Well, I suppose that by historical standards he was indeed a supervillain. It's also tragic that his faith in his family is genuine, but everyone around him (both allies and rivals alike) can't help but see him as a worthier candidate for the throne than Ogedei.
吹雪召喚からの弱った金軍の前での悪役笑い、完全にスーパーヴィランやんwww まあ歴史的基準で見たら実際そうなんやろな… でも家族への信頼だけはガチやのに、周り全員(味方も敵も)が「こいつこそ帝位に相応しい」って思っとるのが悲しいンゴね…2ちゃん
ButterIsMyLifeblood
Yeah when they superimposed the image of Genghis over Tolui all I could do was feel the aura
ふむ、ジンギスの姿をトルイに重ねた場面、拙者もその威光にただ圧倒されるのみでござった。武士
Scoregasm
原文
People on winning side of war always think they're in the right. I think that's the hubris of Tolui on display. In his mind, he's a righteous bearer of his people's will, it's just that his people's (and his god's) will is oppressive. I kinda find him fascinating as a character in that sense. Like we should hate him, but this whole episode showed how easy it would be to believe he was a god among men if you were living at that time.
戦争に勝った側はいつだって自分らが正義やと思ってるんやろな。トルイの傲慢さがよう出とるわ。彼の頭ん中では自分は民の意志を背負う正義の味方やねん、ただその民(と神)の意志が抑圧的ってだけや。そういう意味でキャラとしてめっちゃ興味深いわ。憎むべき存在やのに、このエピソード見たら当時生きとったら簡単に「こいつ人間やないわ」って信じてまうのが分かるンゴ。2ちゃん
MyNameISaColouR
For real. I know he's responsible for horrible massacres, but he still feels so admirable that I feel like rooting for him in every scene he's in.
本当にそう思う。彼が恐ろしい虐殺の責任者だって分かってるけど、それでも彼が登場するシーンは毎回応援したくなるくらい魅力的に感じるんだよね。普通くん
abandoned_idol
Let's not forget his awesome character design! Tolui has so much going for him.
忘れてはならぬ、彼の見事なキャラクターデザイン!トルイには実に多くの魅力が宿っておるでござる。武士
BosuW
He has that charisma, of that there's no doubt
彼のカリスマ性は疑いようがないね普通くん
IndividualPlay5178
Right? Loyal to his family to the bone, loves his (only) wife and kids, lives and dies like a chad
それなw家族に骨の髄まで忠実で、たった一人の妻と子供を愛して、チャドみたいに生きて死ぬってまじかっこいいわwwwwおじ
mujhe-sona-hai
I mean he's still a mass murderer, I wish they showed the sack of Kaifeng more, it was a truly horrible massacre
まあ彼は大量殺人犯だって事実は変わらないけど、開封の略奪をもっと描いてほしかったな。本当にひどい虐殺だったからね。普通くん
SolicitorPirate
I’m so mad how much they made me love fucking Massacre Man who keeps doing massacres on screen
マサカー・マンにここまで惚れさせてくるなんてムカつく!しかもスクリーンで何度も虐殺しまくってるのに!なのに好きになっちゃう自分がもっとムカつく!最高に腹立たしいけど愛してる!感情くん
Primary-Paint-1716
Tolui always has great character moments.
トルイの存在は、常に物語の深淵を照らす運命の光。彼の一挙手一投足が、我が心の奥底にまで響き渡るのだ。中二病
ThrowCarp
He sure was the MVP this episode. So many theatrics moments!
今週の彼、MVPすぎるッ!劇的なシーンが多すぎてヤバい!感情くん
Zetafunction64
My girl Moge is not made for all these scheming, she is too naive, or who knows maybe it's all just a front, So it seems Toregene was framed, and she took the fall to protect Fatima
うちのモゲちゃん、こういう策略とか向いてないじゃん!純粋すぎるんだよ〜。まあ表向きだけかもしれないけど笑。で、トレゲネがハメられたってこと?しかもファティマを守るために身代わりになったってやばくね!?ギャル
HenryDeckard
My read on this depiction of Moge is that her naive-like behavior used by Boraqchin to ask of people do things. People easier to trust such a person, usualy. Like Fatima was this episode basically taged along with Moge to see everything play out with Toregene.
ワイの見解やけど、このモゲの描かれ方は「純真ぶった態度をボラクチンが利用して人に物事を頼んでる」って感じやな。普通、そういう奴の方が信頼されやすいしな。今回のファティマもモゲに同行してトルゲネとの一件を見届けてたってわけやろ。2ちゃん
BosuW
I agree. Möge makes people drop their guard around her. All the while still being Boraqchin's eyes, ears and mouth.
わかるわかる!メーメーってなんか周りの警戒心解かせるの上手いじゃん?しかもずっとボラクチンの目と耳と口やってるってのがやばくね!?まじ天才だわギャル
dinliner08
Moge: "i'm very good at identifying liar, you know!" Fatima: *press X to doubt\ *
「ワイは嘘つき見抜くの得意やねんで!」ファティマ:*(疑いの表情でXボタン連打)*2ちゃん
reaperow
Well she does admit she doesnt get any of this lol, she's a precious lady
自分でも全然わかってないって認めてるの笑 めっちゃ尊いお姉さんじゃん!ギャル
Jacob-C
原文
We could see what I assume is Boraqchin’s smile when Tolui drank the ritual water. That, paired with all the rahj al-gar poisoning, her being at odds with Sorghaghtani and Tolui, and the threat their power poses to Ögedei, makes me assume that this is part of a plan to take Tolui out of the picture, especially with the bad feeling Sorghaghtani had. I imagine the plan is to poison Ögedei, cure him, and then lace the ritual water with poison so that when Tolui drinks it, it will look like the ritual really worked. I wonder how the allegation that Töregene poisoned Ögedei will play out, since they didn’t address it any further before the ritual.
トルイが儀式の水を飲んだ時、ボラクチンの笑顔が見えたんだよね。それにラージ・アル=ガルの毒殺事件や、ソルガクタニとトルイとの対立、オゴデイへの権力の脅威を考えると、これはトルイを排除するための計画の一部だと思うんだ。ソルガクタニの予感もあったしね。おそらく計画は、オゴデイを毒殺してから治療し、儀式の水に毒を仕込んで、トルイが飲んだ時に儀式が本当に機能したように見せかけるってことだろうな。トルゲネがオゴデイを毒殺したという疑惑がどう展開するか気になるよ。儀式前にそれ以上触れられなかったからね。普通くん
panjina
原文
My guess is Boraqchin set it up from the beginning of the show steals Toregene's stone that she knew of poisons herself and sends out Moge to unknowingly(?) find any other stones that exist around the camp threatens Toregene to have both her and Sitara killed if she gets in the way poisons Ögedei calls in Sitara to make her give up the second stone sets up the ritual so that Tolui gets poisoned with noone having a stone but herself
ボラクチンが最初から仕組んでたんやろな
トレゲネの石盗んで自分で毒盛ってモゲに他の石探させてたんやろ
トレゲネとシタラ殺すぞって脅して邪魔させないようにして
オゴデイに毒盛ってシタラ呼び出して二つ目の石渡させて
儀式でトルイに毒が回るように仕組んで石持ってるのは自分だけって状況作ったんや
完全に黒やんけ2ちゃん
reaperow
I kinda doubt she planned that far, it's most likely that she just got lucky with Sitara and used what she learnt from her
彼女がそこまで計画してたとは思わないな。多分シタラに関しては運が良かっただけで、そこから学んだことを活かしただけだと思うよ。普通くん
ErikTwice
Note that Tolui has a stone himself (he used it to summon the storm), but Boraqchin does not know about it.
待って、トルイも石持ってるの?!しかもあの嵐はそれで召喚してたってこと!?でもボラクチンはそれを知らないって…このすれ違いエモすぎるでしょ!感情くん
MokonaModokiES
but also Tolui and Sorghagtani dont know about the use of the bezoar
でもトルイとソルガクタニは、ベゾアールの使い方を知らないんだよな。普通くん
inaripotpi
These things are turning into Geasses or Death Notes at this point, lol
もうこれ、ギアスとかデスノートみたいなもんだよな。まあ、そういうもんだわ。ドライおじ
immortal_lurker
I... do not think that physical possession of jada stones is the actual major concern here. Sitari surrendering the stone to Boraqchin is symbolism for Boraqchin outmaneuvering Sitari, preventing the storm she seeks to summon. If the physical stone were actually so valuable, Boraqchin would probably just arrange an accident and have it stolen, rather than poison Ogedei.
ジャダの石を物理的に持ってることが、ここでの本当の重要ポイントだとは思わないな。シタリがボラクチンに石を渡すのは、ボラクチンがシタリを出し抜いて、彼女が召喚しようとする嵐を防いだって象徴だと思う。もし石そのものが本当に貴重なら、ボラクチンはわざわざオゴデイを毒殺せずに、事故に見せかけて盗ませるだろうしね。普通くん
CavulusDeCavulei
Ok I get why she is the Kathun
わかった、彼女がカトゥンな理由が分かった気がする…!感情くん
chirb8
I don't thunk it goes that far back. Hiw would she know a wild Fatima would appear with another stone and be so proactive with it?
そこまで昔の話やないやろ。野生のファティマが別の石持って現れて、しかもそんなに積極的やなんて、どうやって知っとったんや?2ちゃん
summerphobic
I now wonder if it was her who orchestrated the poisoning of her husband, considering she knew how much of the jada stone was needed as an antidote. She also doesn't know that the slave who'd been taken away by Shira most likely took Toregene's stone, so it's possible Tolui will live anyway. I'm not reading Wikipedia just in case, lol.
なるほど…あの女、夫の毒殺すらも自らの手で演出していた可能性があるのか。解毒に必要なジャードゥーガルの分量を熟知していたとは、まさに深謀遠慮の罠よな。されど、シラに連れ去られた奴隷がトレゲネの石を奪いし可能性も視野に入れておる。ならばトルイは生き延びるやもしれぬ。我が好奇心に駆られてウィキペディアを開くなど、それこそ愚者の行為よ。ふっ、運命の歯車はまだ回り続けるのだ。中二病
Jacob-C
I definitely think Boraqchin was ordering Töregene to do something when we saw them talking at the end of the last episode. It’s very likely that she strong-armed her into poisoning Ögedei.
確かにボラクチンが前回ラストでトゥレゲネに何か命令してたのは間違いないッ!オゴデイを毒殺するよう脅した可能性が非常に高い。感情くん
sesaman
Honestly I'd be shocked if this wasn't the case.
正直、そうじゃなかったら驚くわ。普通くん
No_Idea_9594
原文
Yeah it looks like Boraqchin hit two birds with one stone. Instead of Tolui's wife suspecting Ogedei+Boraq, now it's Tolui's wife against Toregene+Sitara. Toregene is known to dislike her husband but it's easy to forget this isn't just about the MC. Setting it up to be between the two brothers wasn't as easy as Sitara thought it was. Very surprising how Boraq was able to turn everything around so quickly going against the tide of the narrative.
ボラクチン、一石二鳥やんwww トルイの嫁がオゴデイ+ボラク疑う展開から、トレゲネ+シタラとの対立に変わってもうた。トレゲネが旦那嫌いなのは有名やけど、これMCだけの話じゃないってのを忘れがちやな。兄弟間の対立に持ち込むのはシタラが思うほど簡単やなかったんやな。ボラクがあっという間に流れをひっくり返したのはガチで驚きやわ2ちゃん
CitronClassic672
The only question I’m left with is whether Boraqchin actually poisoned the ritual water or not. Leaving aside whether she’d have the opportunity to, the story has repeatedly highlighted that mysticism is still prevalent in this era. It’s possible she genuinely believes the ritual will kill him on its own.
残された疑問は、ボラクチンが本当に儀式の水に毒を入れたかどうかだな。機会があったかどうかはさておき、この物語はこの時代に神秘主義がまだ根強いことを繰り返し強調してきた。彼女が儀式そのもので彼を殺せると本気で信じていた可能性も十分にあるという考察ができる。考察くん
Useful_Project4898
I kept thinking that there was poisoned in the ritual water but then I started thinking that it wasn't. I guess it depends on what Boraqchin intends to happen. I can't quite figure that part out yet. She is certainly pulling strings and making moves but to what end?
儀式の水に毒入ってると思ってたけど、よく考えたら違うかもやな。結局ボラクチンが何を狙ってるか次第やろ。そこがまだ読めへんわ。確かに糸引いて動いてるけど、目的がよう分からん。2ちゃん
Zeph-Shoir
This will absolutely end with Togerene revealing it all to Fatima, who will be able to leak it to Sorghaghtani, and that will trigger the divide between the 2 biggest clans.
これは絶対にトゲレネが全部ファティマに明かして、ファティマがソルガクタニに漏らす流れになるだろ。それがきっかけで二大氏族が分裂するんじゃないかな。普通くん
GardenRemarkable7916
Oooh probably
おお〜多分な?2ちゃん
Nachtwandler_FS
Yeah, it is clearly her plan to get reed of Tolui. We question is how Toregene is involved here. Also, both the battle against Jin and the whole Ogedei getting sick and Tolui partiipating in a ritual to save him are based on real history.
そうだね、明らかにトルイを排除するのが彼女の計画だよ。問題はトルゲネがどう関わってるかってところだね。あと、金との戦いもオゴデイが病に倒れてトルイが儀式で救おうとしたのも、実際の歴史に基づいてるんだよ。普通くん
MyNameISaColouR
Why is Tolui so cool? I'm supposed to hate this guy, damnit!
トルイやばくない!?まじでカッコよすぎて恨む気になんないんだけど笑 なにこの魅力!?ギャル
ErikTwice
If we had “best sibling“ anime awards, he would fucking trample all over the anime girls on his way to the prize and he would deserve it.
「ベスト兄弟」アニメ賞があったら、こいつガチで全アニメ女子踏み潰して受賞するで。それに値するわ。2ちゃん
akuma2409
Asa and Yoru would wanna have a say in that
アサとヨルはそれについては意見があるだろうね。普通くん
iamahippocrite
You mean Yuru, not Yoru .
「YoruじゃなくてYuruじゃん!名前間違ってるよ〜笑 そこだけ直してね!」ギャル
ErikTwice
Ah, but they haven't been animated yet, have they? 😛 (Also, Yoru > Asa)
まだアニメ化されてないだけやろ?😛(つーか夜の方が朝よりええやん)2ちゃん
sesaman
Huh? The anime's been ongoing for quite a while now.
え?このアニメ、もう結構長くやってるんだけど。普通くん
ErikTwice
Ah damn, I thought you were talking about Chainsaw Man Pt.2, I guess you were talking about that new series from the creator of Full Metal Alchemist.
あーまじか!チェンソーマン2部の話かと思ったんだけど、鋼の錬金術師の作者の新シリーズの話だったのね笑 てかそれ気になるんだけど!ギャル
matdragon
there is no chainsawman pt 2 stop lying, it ended at pt1
チェンソーマンにパート2なんてないよ、嘘つかないで。パート1で終わったでしょ。普通くん
Zeph-Shoir
Legit one of the best brotherhoods I have seen in anime
マジでアニメ史に残る最高の兄弟愛すぎるッ!泣いたわ、まじで泣いた。感情くん
GardenRemarkable7916
For reaaal Why don't we have best sibling awards?
まじでそれな!なんで兄弟姉妹部門のベストアワードないんじゃん!?やばくね!?ギャル
ErikTwice
I would be up for it, but the battle between wholesome and incest romance fans would be legendary lmao
賛成だけど、健全派と近親相姦派の戦いが伝説になりそうだわwww普通くん
Nome_de_utilizador
He is the original cause of Sitara's pain and I can't help but cheer for him in every scene he is.
シタラの苦しみの元凶なのに、出てくるたび応援しちゃうんだけど!?まじで謎なんだけど笑ギャル
CitronClassic672
When the main antagonist in a revenge plot actually turns to genuinely be an awesome, badass guy.
復讐劇のメインの敵役が、実はめちゃくちゃカッコいい男だった時って最高だよね。普通くん
Nachtwandler_FS
You know, Askeladd was the best character in Vinland Saga S1...
アスケラッドがヴィンランド・サガS1の最強キャラやったわ…2ちゃん
IndividualPlay5178
Tengri summoned him cause he was too good for the world :*)
テングリが彼を召喚したのは、彼があまりにもこの世界にふさわしすぎたからだよ :*)普通くん
CitronClassic672
He has had the wildest swing in perception of any character in this show for me. From knowledge seeking conqueror, to somewhat dim and naive loving husband, father, and brother, to all of that plus socially intelligent, ruthless, and skilled warlord, and now in this episode just general badass.
ワイの中でこいつほど評価がブレまくったキャラおらんわ。知識求める征服者→ちょっと抜けてて純粋な愛妻家で良父で良兄→それに加えて社交性高くて非情で有能な武将→今回で完全にカッコいいだけの漢にwww2ちゃん
Totally-Average-User
That's the most terrifying thing about him, he's 100% loyal
彼の一番怖いところは、100%忠実なところだな。普通くん
abandoned_idol
Kuuuuuu!!
くぅううううううう!!2ちゃん
PracticalMarsupial
It's his shit eating grin.
あのニヤニヤした笑みが最高なんだよな。普通くん
GardenRemarkable7916
I am happy and glad to see that I didn't love him only because he was the greatest Old Middle Asian culture and success shower that I admire. He really is a good guy at many points. But I guess he was raised wrong about minding others. Which was the case of most people of even less than a hunrdered years ago.
彼を愛していたのが、単に私が敬愛する古代中東アジア文化と成功の象徴だったからではないと確信できて嬉しい。彼は多くの場面で本当に良い人物だと思う。ただ、他人を思いやるという点では間違った育てられ方をしたんだろうな。これは百年前の大半の人々にも当てはまることだが。考察くん
Petit_Ange
Oh Tolui, it was nice knowing you. He's totally getting poisoned right in front of everyone with it being disguised as an exorcism, ain't him...
草、トルイ君もう終わりやん。あれ完全に皆の前で毒盛られてるやん。しかも追い払いって名目でやっとるのバレバレやろwww2ちゃん
BusouDrago
The ritual brush thingy touched those spots from poison and its in the water.....yeah he was poisoned
毒のせいでできた斑点に儀式用の筆みたいなやつが触れて、それが水に入ったんだ……つまり、彼は毒にやられたってことだね普通くん
BosuW
原文
If he was poisoned I doubt that's how. First, those spots in the body might not contain the rahj al-ghar Even if it did, it'd obviously be en much lesser quantities And finally, if the goal is to kill Tolui, it makes no sense to do it with a poison they now know how to treat So I think the poison was already in the water, or put during some other part of the ritual, and it is a different substance.
もし毒を盛られたとしても、その方法は考えにくい。まず、体の斑点にラージュ・アル=ガルが含まれている可能性は低い。仮に含まれていたとしても、明らかにごく微量だろう。さらに、トルイを殺すのが目的なら、今や治療法が判明している毒を使うのは不合理だ。よって、毒は既に水に仕込まれていたか、儀式の別の段階で投入された可能性が高く、別の物質だという考察ができる。考察くん
Ninedeath
I dont think its a diffrent poison else it would look suspicious if the symptoms are diffrent and also Tolui and Sorghaghtani don't know how to cure rahj al-ghar poisoning
違う毒だとは思わないな。症状が違えば怪しまれるし、トルイとソルカクタニもラージュ・アル=ガルの毒の治し方を知らないだろうしね。普通くん
guineaprince
原文
Well it's an exorcism for a curse, not a poison/disease, at least in the public eye. The whole point was that a shaman is more trustworthy than foreign physicians, so it's easy to arrange events so a trustworthy shaman can do a little poisoning. The curse is just expected to kill him. Which he already accepted, as blood related sacrifice talking up his devotion to Tengri. Dying would be the least suspicious thing, now.
呪いの浄化やからな、毒や病気ちゃうし、少なくとも表向きはな。要は巫者が外国の医者より信用されるってのがミソで、信頼できる巫者にちょっと毒盛らせるのは簡単に仕組めるってわけや。呪いで死ぬのは想定内やろ。本人もテングリへの忠誠を語る血縁の生贄として受け入れてるし。今となっては死ぬのが一番怪しまれへんってわけやな。2ちゃん
CyonHal
Now Sitara just needs to save Tolui through the same method, then this plot will completely backfire.
シタラが同じ方法でトルイを助ければ、この展開まじで逆効果になるじゃん!やばくね!?笑ギャル
BosuW
If she managed to save: the late Khan's main wife, the Khagan, and the most important military commander in the Empire and the Khagan's brother, her clout would be immense! Sadly, I do think this is wraps for Tolui...
もし彼女が先代ハーンの正妻、カガン、そして帝国で最も重要な軍事司令官でありカガンの兄弟である彼らを救えたなら、彼女の影響力は計り知れないものになるだろう!残念ながら、トルイはもう終わりだと思うけどな…普通くん
sesaman
The political landscape isn't developing much if Tolui survives.
トルイ生きてたら政治状況あんま動かへんやんw2ちゃん
flashmozzg
She doesn't have a Jadai stone. Also, wouldn't have much incentive to save him, since he was the one who directly caused Fatima's death.
彼女はジャダイ石を持ってないんだよね。それに、ファティマの死を直接引き起こした張本人を助ける動機もないだろうし。普通くん
CyonHal
Of course there is incentive to save him, a civil war from the power imbalance between the great khan and tolui was their whole plan to begin with, and this assassination attempt would be the perfect pretext to fracture their relationship as brothers.
そら当然助けるインセンティブあるわな。大ハーンとトルイの力関係による内戦こそが元々の計画やし、この暗殺未遂が兄弟の関係を引き裂く完璧な口実になるンゴwww2ちゃん
flashmozzg
Can work with him not surviving as well.
彼が生き残らない展開でも成り立つよね。普通くん
ThrowCarp
At that point no need to destabilize the empire. Just establish yourself as a renowned physician who's saved the life of two very powerful men. Hell they'll probably give you the copy of Euclids at that point.
その時点で帝国を不安定化させる必要はないんだよな。二人の有力者の命を救った名医としての地位を確立すればいい。その頃にはユークリッドの写本も手に入るだろうしな。考察くん
Scoregasm
Except she gave away the last of her stone.
でも彼女、最後の石を手放しちゃったんだよね。普通くん
CyonHal
True, but maybe Tolui's wife can find one, and there is the one that was stolen, who knows where that turns up.
せやな、でもトルイの妻が見つけるかもしれへんやん。あと盗まれたやつもあるし、どこに出てくるか分からへんで。2ちゃん
TakenRedditName
原文
Some cameos of major historical figures that the show hasn't directly stopped to point out: Standing next to Fatima, the older woman in blue might be Börte, the mother of Jochi, Chagatai, Ögedei, and Tolui. She is wearing the same colours as the one we saw in the family tree last episode. Also, the bearded general is actually Subutai, one of history's most renowned military geniuses. I don't believe the show ever stopped to name-drop him, but he is named in the credits. The episode itself was good as always. Möge is always doing her best. It was so funny that when she told Fatima that she was good at detecting lies, Fatima immediately flashback-ed to going cat mode. Also, look at Shira being a smiling bean. Can't say anyone else, but Shira himself is having a great time.
歴史的な大物のカメオ出演がいくつかあったけど、物語が直接指摘してないんだよな。ファティマの隣に立ってる青い服の年配の女性は、ジョチ、チャガタイ、オゲデイ、トルイの母、ベルテかもしれない。前回の家系図で見たのと同じ色の服着てるし。あと、髭の将軍は実はスブタイで、史上最も有名な軍事的天才の一人だよ。作中で名前を出したかは覚えてないけど、クレジットには載ってる。今回のエピソードも相変わらず良かった。モゲはいつも全力だね。彼女がファティマに「嘘を見抜くのが得意」って言ったら、ファティマが即座に猫モードの回想シーンに入ったのは笑った。あと、シラが微笑んでるの見てほしい。他はともかく、シラ本人はすごく楽しんでるみたいだ。普通くん
tiredpandax3
Thanks for the infos! I'm surprised Borte is still alive and had wanted to know who's Subutai for a while!
マジで情報ありがと!ボルテまだ生きてたの意外すぎてビビったわ!!てかスブタイって誰なのかずっと気になってたんだよね!やばくない!?ギャル
Nome_de_utilizador
Also, the bearded general is actually Subutai This guy was such a busted hero in the OG age of empires 2, rode his horse on mach 5
あと、ひげの将軍は実はスブタイなんだよね。この人、オリジナルのエイジ・オブ・エンパイア2ではぶっ壊れヒーローで、馬でマッハ5で走ってたんだよ普通くん
Misticsan
Also, the bearded general is actually Subutai Thank you for the information. I'm shocked that the anime didn't present him; he's arguably the most famous Mongol general not belonging to Genghis Khan's family.
髭の将軍って実はスブタイやったんか。情報サンキューな。アニメで出さんかったんか、ガチで驚きやわ。チンギス・ハンの一族以外で一番有名なモンゴル将軍やろうに。2ちゃん
Tall-University-3335
Subutai!? Awesomeee. I just started reading about the mongol empire just for this anime
スブタイ!?最高だな。このアニメのためにモンゴル帝国の本読み始めたところだよ。普通くん
Nachtwandler_FS
That was Subutai ? Damn, talk about another casua cameo of legendary historic figure.
あれがスブタイかよ……歴史の偉人がまたカジュアルにカメオ出演してて草2ちゃん
foodiepower
This is so cool!
これはめっちゃかっこいいね!普通くん
djthomp
That brief shot of an evil grin when Tolui drank the water, plus one to Boraqchin's plotting and minus one to Sitara and Toregene's I suspect.
トルイが水を飲んだ時のあの一瞬の悪い笑み、最高すぎるッ!ボラクチンの策略には+1、シタラとトレゲネには−1だと思うわ。感情くん
Namaryu
I would not be shocked if that grin truned out to not be Boraqchin and the anime is just playing with our expectations.
あの笑み、ボラクチンじゃなくてアニメがわざと期待裏切ってるだけって可能性もなくなくない?まぁでも全然驚かないけどね笑ギャル
mekerpan
If it is NOT Boraqchin, it is someone we do not yet know about. So economy of storytelling points to her.
もしボラクチンじゃないなら、まだ知られてない誰かってことになる。だから物語の構成上、彼女だって考えるのが自然だと思う。普通くん
BosuW
Actually now that I think about it I'm feeling that's even more likely. Why hide the rest of the face if not? Not that we don't know Boraqchin also be scheming, but there are many, many parties within the Empire.
そう考えると、むしろその可能性が高いという考察ができる。顔の残りの部分を隠しているのは、何か理由があってのことだろう。ボラクチンも策を巡らせているのは間違いないが、帝国の中には数多くの勢力が存在していることを踏まえると、伏線が張られていると見るのが自然だ。考察くん
mujhe-sona-hai
Interesting, I legit thought maybe Toregene was plotting but looking at it again it seems like Boraqchin might have poisoned Ogodei with a curable illness and planted the evidence on Toregene to get rid of Tolui
面白いな。最初はトレゲネが何か企んでるのかと思ったけど、よく見るとボラクチンがオゴデイに治る病気の毒を盛って、トレゲネに証拠を仕込んでトルイを排除しようとしてるっぽいな。普通くん
exRocky009
It seems like Sitara isn't the only witch.
シタラだけが魔女じゃないってことかよ…!まじで驚いたわ、展開読めなすぎるッ!感情くん
abandoned_idol
There are witches all over the place! They are all witches!
どこにでも魔女がいる!みんな魔女だ!普通くん