#11天幕のジャードゥーガル
放送 2026-09-05更新 2026-09-07
KumaKumaGambler
There is at least one thing which I agree with Boraqchin. "Moge, please always remain honest and kind."
ボラクチンの言ってること、少なくとも一つは同意するな。「モゲよ、どうかいつも正直で優しくあってほしい」ってね。普通くん
reaperow
Möge is a really precious lady so I agree too
メイジュまじで尊いじゃん!だからお前の意見に完全同意〜!ギャル
BosuW
Yeah somehow I think that might not happen 💀 It's gonna be tough to watch if Möge breaks from realizing everyone around her are scheming, vengeful bastards.
もう無理やろそれwww モージュが周り全員が腹黒い復讐鬼やと知ったら壊れるやん……見ててキツいンゴ……💀2ちゃん
Korkez11
Moge is an adult version of Xiaolan.
モゲはシャオラン(小蘭)の大人版だね。普通くん
EPLWA_Is_Relevant
Which is funny because Xiaolan's voice actress is here, as Sorghaghtani.
草、小蘭の声優さんがソルガクタニ役で出てるの面白すぎやろwww2ちゃん
Clod_StarGazer
It's a beautiful scene but I couldn't stop thinking about the "Don't worry about it kitten" "Okay❤️ yay❤️" meme
美しいシーンだけど、「心配すんな子猫ちゃん」「わかった❤️やった❤️」ってミームが頭から離れなかったわwwwwおじ
Maximum-Warthog2368
Sadly one unsettling thing i would going to say is that she is still in her late teenager year when she was forced to become concubine of ghenghis khan. it is quite fucked up but sadly that's what happened in that time. Being honest and kind get you exploited by these men in that era.
悲しいけど一つ気になるのは、彼女が10代後半でチンギス・ハーンの側室にさせられたってことだな。かなり酷い話だけど、当時はそういう時代だったんだろうね。正直で優しい人は、その時代の男たちに利用されちゃうんだよな。普通くん
zairaner
Am I the only that really hoped that she was the secret mastermind? She, together with töregene and Boraq was one of the three people that might have poisoned ögedei, and I really hoped it was her.
私だけ?彼女が黒幕だったら良かったのにって思ったの私だけ!?トゥレゲネとボラクと並んで、オゴデイを毒殺したかもしれない3人の1人なんだよ。本当に彼女だったら良かったのに…!無理すぎるッ!感情くん
abandoned_idol
I was secretly hoping for that twist, but I was pretty confident that it would just reveal the old and wise Boraqchin to have been faking ignorance. It makes more sense for the older characters to outsmart the younger and less experienced characters.
ワイは密かにその展開待っとったンゴwww でも老練なボラクチンが無知を装ってただけってオチやと思っとったわ。年長者の方が若いガキどもより賢いってのが筋やろ2ちゃん
exRocky009
So it turns out Jaadugar: A Witch in Mongolia was about Boraqchin all along, not Sitara, lol. Her experience as a witch is just on a whole different level. Sorghaghtani calling off the engagement is definitely going to deepen the conflict with Ögedei's faction, which works perfectly in Sitara's favor. I can't wait to see Sitara's scheming phase from here on out.
ふむ…『天幕のジャードゥーガル』の真の主役は、シタラにあらず、ボラクチンだったとはな。魔女としての彼女の境地は、我々の想像を遥かに超えた領域に達しているようだ。ソルコクタニが縁談を破棄したことで、オゴデイ派との確執は一層深まるだろう。それは即ち、シタラの策謀に絶好の好機をもたらすというわけだ。これより先、彼女が如何なる謀略を巡らせるのか、我が心は高鳴りを抑えられぬ。中二病
reaperow
The word Jaadugar (جادوگر) mainly refers to a magician which fits Sitara Where as the Witch part is more in line with what Borqachin has done so far so this got me thinking
「ジャードゥーガル(جادوگر)」は主に「魔術師」を指す言葉で、シタラにぴったりだね。一方で「魔女」という部分は、これまでのボルカチンの行動により合ってると思う。だから、これについて考えさせられたよ。普通くん
BosuW
So it turns out Jaadugar: A Witch in Mongolia was about Boraqchin all along, not Sitara, lol. Nah it's just like the Sith system. The Padawan has to slime the Master to take their place.
あれ?つまり『天幕のジャードゥーガル』って、シタラじゃなくてボラクチンが主役だったの??笑 いやいや、これ完全にシスの掟じゃん。パダワンがマスターを倒して地位を乗っ取るってやつ。熱すぎるッ!感情くん
KinoHiroshino
" There should only be two, no more, no less. One to embody power, the other one to crave it. " ―Darth Bane
「二人だけが正しい。それ以上でも以下でもない。一人は力を体現し、もう一人はそれを求める」――ダース・ベインか。まあ、シンプルで分かりやすい哲学だな。ドライおじ
Maximum-Warthog2368
wait for it before loudly declaring boraqchin as only witch. There can be multiple witches.
ボラクチンだけが魔女だって大声で断言する前に待てよ。魔女は複数いるかもしれないだろ。普通くん
ThrowCarp
I was NOT prepared for Boraqchin's backstory.
ボラクチンの過去エピなんて聞いてないンゴwwwワイ全然準備してへんかったわ2ちゃん
BlackSCrow
It's probably for Sitara still. Boraqchin just happened to fit, too
おそらく、未だシタラのためにあるのだろう。ボラグチンは、偶然にもその器に嵌ったに過ぎないのだ。運命は常に、最初に選ばれし者へと流れる。中二病
No-Win-8949
What an incredible anime. Of course everyone knows who Genghis Khan is, but it has been so satisfying watching all the power plays of the various women in the Mongolian Empire weaving everything together behind the scenes. And of course, Temujin would not have become Genghis Khan had his wife Borte not been kidnapped in the first place.
本当にすごいアニメだね。もちろんチンギス・ハンが誰かは皆知ってるけど、モンゴル帝国の様々な女性たちの権力争いが陰で絡み合っていく様子を見るのは本当に満足感があった。もちろん、テムジンも妻のボルテが最初に誘拐されていなければ、チンギス・ハンにはならなかっただろうしね。普通くん
Misticsan
原文
Reminds me of the Apothecary Diaries. And I don't see this just because the setting is an imperial court of East Asia, the plot involves poisons and medicines, or the protagonist is a knowledgeable young girl. One of the strong points of Apothecary Diaries was in showing the tales of women. That just because their culture and institutions narrow their options, railroading them into becoming wives, concubines, servants or prostitutes, it doesn't mean they somehow lack intelligence, agency, personal wishes and ways to achieve their own goals. Jaadugar does the same, with the added benefit that the high ladies of the Mongol Empire were very powerful even for the standards of the era.
薬屋の独り語り思い出すわ。東アジアの宮廷舞台とか毒薬・薬草ネタとか知識豊富な少女主人公とか、そういう表面的な共通点だけやないで。
薬屋の強みは女性たちの物語を描くことやったやん。文化や制度が選択肢狭めて妻や妾や使用人や娼婦に強制されても、彼女たちが知性や主体性や個人的願望や目標達成手段を持たんわけやないってとこ。ジャードゥーガルも同じことやってて、しかもモンゴル帝国の上流婦人は当時基準でもめちゃくちゃ権力持っとったっちゅう利点まであるわ。
ワイ的にはそこがガチで評価ポイントやな。2ちゃん
No-Win-8949
They had to be. With the men being away so often fighting various wars, they were the ones who actually took care of things at home. And the women oftentimes went on campaign with their husbands as well.
そうだよね。男たちが戦争で家を空けることが多かったから、実際に家のことを切り盛りしてたのは女性たちだったんだよ。それに、女性たちもしばしば夫と一緒に遠征に行ってたしね。普通くん
hanmkim
Sitara was pretty much just captured and shipped off to be a slave like Mao was and ended up getting recruited specifically because she was more educated than everyone else. Though unlike Mao who just wants the slow life playing with poisons Sitara is actively going for revenge.
シタラはマオみたいに捕まって奴隷にされかけやがったけど、他の連中より教育受けてたから特別にスカウトされたンゴwww
でもマオが毒弄ってスローライフ楽しみたいだけなのに対して、シタラはガチで復讐狙ってるんやな2ちゃん
patap0nacct
Another strong point is the variety of the cast: Persians and Mongolians, Muslims and Tengrists and Nestorian Christians, and the majority of them women!
拙者、このキャストの多様性には感服仕った。ペルシア人にモンゴル人、イスラム教徒にテングリ信仰、ネストリウス派キリスト教徒まで揃い、しかも過半数が女子とは!見事の一言にござる。武士
moichispa
Yeah I had no idea his succession was so interesting.
まじで知らなかったんだけど、彼の継承エピソードがこんなに面白いなんてやばくね!?ギャル
Jacob-C
CK3 and EU4 prepared me for this!
CK3とEU4で準備してきたから、これも余裕だよ!普通くん
arthuriko
TIL this anime is basically a documentary
ワイ今知ったンゴ……これドキュメンタリーやったんか草2ちゃん
AppropriatFly5170new
If science saru doesn’t green light this for a second season or even just a movie, I will riot!!!!! This has been so freaking good, to the point it’s a strong contender for my top 10 anime ever!!!!
サイエンスSARUがこれで2期か映画を制作してくれなかったら暴動起こすわ!!ここまで最高すぎて、俺の歴代トップ10入り確実レベルだわ!!普通くん
structure9food612
There’s almost enough chapters for a 2nd season at least
2期分のチャプターはほぼ揃ってるってことか…!これは期待しちゃうぞッ!感情くん
FatReinerAss2024
If they adapt at the rate of Frieren (2 volumes per cour) they atleast have enough room for 3rd season as well.
フリーレンのペース(1クールで2巻分)でアニメ化するなら、少なくとも第3シーズン分の原作は確保できてるよね。普通くん
allisonhanj
Season one is covering (presumably) up to chapter 25, and unfortunately there's only 44 chapters total right now, so we will have to wait for a little longer for season 2 material
1期は25話までが範囲っぽいんだけど、原作がまだ全44話しかないんだよね…だから2期のネタはもう少し待たないとダメっぽいじゃん?まじで続き気になるわ〜!ギャル
FatReinerAss2024
That is still almost 3 volumes worth of content, so a Frieren style adaptation in theory could run atleast 2 more yearly (or so) seasons without overrunning chapter releases since iirc the manga is apparently back to releasing monthly instead of bimonthly.
それでもまだ3巻分くらいの内容があるから、フリーレン式のアニメ化なら理論上、年1クールをあと2シーズンは作れるんじゃないかな。原作は隔月から月刊に戻ったらしいし、連載に追いつく心配もあんまりないと思う。普通くん
Solarstormflare
Thank you, bringer of knowledge
ありがと!知識を届けてくれる人まじ神じゃん!🙏✨ギャル
maliwanag0712
Is the next episode the last one? The episode's title is suitable for a season finale.
次のエピソードが最後なの?タイトル的にシーズン最終回っぽいよね。普通くん
chaosof99
The series is slated for 12 episodes, so next week is the last one.
このアニメ12話までなんだって!だから来週で最終回じゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
moichispa
I think the manga is monthly so we might caught up first if we get new seasons this quickly
ふむ、此度のアニメ、二季目が早う来れば、原作漫画は月刊ゆえ、追い越すやも知れぬな。されど、それはそれで面白き展開、待ち遠しきことよ。武士
AppropriatFly5170new
I assume animation of this quality takes several years to complete (plus this being a historical based on actual history should give an idea of plotting), so I’d rather it get the green light now and then take its time with animation, etc plus there’s almost enough chapters for a season 2 at this point
このクオリティの作画なら製作に数年かかるやろな(しかも史実ベースやからプロットも練り込まれてるやろうし)。やからこそ今すぐ続編ゴーサイン出して、作画はじっくり時間かけてええわ。つーか現時点で2期分の原作ストックほぼあるやんけ2ちゃん
CatgirlYamada
原文
According to the interview with the producer , the chief director, Naoko Yamada, only started joining the project after her movie, Kimi no Iro, started airing in Japan around August 2024, and the main director, Abel Gongora, was already chosen. I don't know how long pre-production for this project took, but I'd guess they started the whole thing around early 2024. There also seem to be no information about Jaadugar completion date, but I'm quite positive that the project takes 2-2.5 years to complete. Season 2 depends heavily on the core staff availability. If next season had already been greenlit since much earlier, that means they've already secured the needed talents and that it should come around 1-1.5 years. If not, and all the staff had already gotten schedules elsewhere, then the future becomes very uncertain.
プロデューサーのインタビューによると、総監督の山田尚子さんは『きみのいろ』が2024年8月に日本で公開されてからプロジェクトに参加したらしいね。メイン監督のAbel Gongoraさんはすでに決まってたみたい。プリプロダクションがどのくらい前から始まったかはわからないけど、多分2024年初頭くらいからじゃないかな。ジャードゥーガルの完成時期の情報はないけど、制作には2〜2.5年かかると思う。シーズン2はスタッフの空き状況次第だね。もし前からゴーサインが出てたら、必要な人材は確保済みで1〜1.5年で来るかも。そうでなければ、みんな別の予定が入ってるから、未来はかなり不透明になるね。普通くん
moichispa
I'm more worried about a future season 3 but yeah I like them taking their time for good quality
3期のこと心配してるわw でも確かに、質のために時間かけるのはいいことだよな笑wwwおじ
AppropriatFly5170new
I feel like it’s a bit too soon to assume a season 2 is guaranteed as some massively popular shows never got follow-ups (eg Yuri on Ice, Ouran host club, Nichijou, land of the lustrous, Yona only got a S2 announced 10 years after S1, etc)
草、S2確実とかまだ言うの早いやろ。超有名作品でも続編なしとかザラやしな(ユーリ!!! on ICE、桜蘭高校ホスト部、日常、宝石の国とか)。ヨナもS1から10年経ってやっとS2発表やったしな…2ちゃん
tripleaamin
From what I heard from source readers we are caught up to the Yen Press translation. Not with how many volumes that are out in Japan.
ソース読者から聞いた話だと、もうYen Press翻訳分には追いついてるんだって。日本の発売巻数にはまだ追いついてないけどな。感情くん
FatReinerAss2024
And was even ran bimonthly recently due to Tomato Soup (I think) having a baby and doing another manga alongside Jaadugar.
まじで最近隔月連載になってたんだけど!?トマトスープ(だっけ?)が赤ちゃん産んで、ジャードゥーガルと並行して別の漫画も描いてるかららしいんだけど、やばくね!?ギャル
judasmartel
another manga alongside Jaadugar Kanshin Smbat (Disloyal Retainer Smbat), a series set in 13th century Armenia, sometime after the events of Jaadugar.
『天幕のジャードゥーガル』と並行して展開される『不忠の家臣スンバット(Disloyal Retainer Smbat)』は、13世紀のアルメニアを舞台に、ジャードゥーガル後の時代を描く作品だね。普通くん
reaperow
Agreed !!! We really need a season 2, this show is genuinely so good and my favourite of this season I place it in the same categories as Otoyomegatari and Bird in Wonderland which I also hope get adaptions one day
同意や!!シーズン2絶対必要やろwww このアニメガチで神やん、今期で一番好きやわ。乙嫁語りとかWonderlandの鳥と同じレベルやと思うンゴ。その二つもいつかアニメ化してほしいわ〜2ちゃん
mekerpan
S2 definitely needed,
S2は絶対に必要だね。普通くん
BosuW
Season 2 or we raid the studio in Tengri's name 😤😤
シーズン2来なかったら、テングリの名の下にスタジオ襲撃するぞ😤😤ドライおじ
No-Win-8949
I will be right there rioting together with you!
私もその暴動にまじで参加するわ!一緒に騒ごうじゃん!🔥ギャル
FreeLifeguard5366
Not riots, raids bro. I'll bring the horses and arrows.
暴動ちゃうで、襲撃やろ。ワイが馬と矢持って行ったるわ。2ちゃん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I was wondering why Sitara wanted to be the messenger for Sorghaghtani. I naively thought she was already scheming her next plan. Trying to get Sorghaghtani as an ally in their battle with Boraqchin. But it seems, it was way more simple than that. She just wanted to see her angry and furious over what she had lost and how her life is now basically over. She probably wanted then tell Sorghaghtani what she had done to her family and therefore get her "revenge". And funnily enough, Sorghaghtani being in her depressed state is what makes Sitara light up that fire once more. If that will help her in the future or not will be seen. However, there is also a secondary irony to the whole thing. Sitara had a different goal previously. She didn't just want to get back at Sorghaghtani but the mongols as a whole. That was what she promised Töregene after all. However, without realizing, she fell into a very similar state as Sorghaghtani. In order to get Töregene back, she was willing to pay any price necessary. Even a price that would result in her and Töregene having 0 power to challenge Boraqchin again. So it was necessary for Sorghaghtani to reject the proposal, because this can allow Sitara and Töregene to find a different path where they aren't losing their powers and are able to do what they originally wanted.
シタラがソルガクタニの使者を志願した理由、最初は次の計画の布石かと思ってたんだがな。ボラクチンとの戦いでソルガクタニを味方に引き込もうとしてるのかと。だが実態はもっと単純で、彼女が失ったものと終わった人生への怒りを目の当たりにしたかっただけなんだろう。家族にやった仕打ちを告げて「復讐」を果たすつもりだったと推測できる。面白いのは、鬱状態のソルガクタニがシタラの炎を再び燃え上がらせる点だ。これが将来吉と出るか凶と出るかは未知数だがな。
ただ、ここに二重の皮肉が潜んでる。シタラの本来の目的はソルガクタニ個人への報復ではなく、モンゴル全体への復讐だった。それがトレゲネへの誓いだったわけだ。だが気づかぬうちに、彼女はソルガクタニと似た境遇に陥ってる。トレゲネを取り戻すためなら、どんな代償も払う覚悟だった。たとえそれが、ボラクチンに再び挑む力を失う結果になろうともな。だからこそソルガクタニが提案を拒否したのは必然で、それによってシタラとトレゲネは権力喪失を避け、本来の目的を果たせる別の道を見出せるという考察ができる。考察くん
Misticsan
原文
Agreed, Siata was constantly making short-term moves throughout the episode. In a way, it makes sense: she's out of her depth, worried about the one person in the world that may understand her, and at the end of the day remains the traumatized girl who misses her old life at Tus. I suppose further arcs will be about Sitara learning to be more like Boraqchin, the current with in Mongolia (almost title drop in the episode 😆).
同意。シャータはエピソード中ずっと目先の対応に追われてたよね。ある意味納得できるんだ:彼女は自分の限界を超えてて、世界で唯一自分を理解してくれるかもしれない人のことを心配してて、結局はトスでの昔の生活を恋しがる傷ついた少女のままだし。今後のアークは、シャータがモンゴルでの現在の妻ボラクチンみたいに成長していく話になるんだろうね(あのエピソードでタイトル言いかけてたの笑った😂)。普通くん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
I am also a bit waiting for Sitara to become the witch from the title. The scene of the first episode showed a bit, so I expect her to use her knowledge of all kinds of stones and poison to her advantage. It will be interesting to see how what her plan about Boraqchin is. Boraqchin is still trusting Sitara, so there is an option of using herself. Similarly, they could make sure that she loses trust or poison her directly.
シタラがタイトルの魔女になるのちょっと待ってるンゴwww
初回のシーンでチラ見せあったし、石とか毒の知識をフル活用してくるんやろな
ボラクチン相手にどんな策使うか気になるわ
まだシタラ信じてるから、自分を囮にする手もあるやろ
逆に信頼失わせるか、直接毒盛るかやな2ちゃん
BosuW
原文
In order to get Töregene back, she was willing to pay any price necessary. Even a price that would result in her and Töregene having 0 power to challenge Boraqchin again. So it was necessary for Sorghaghtani to reject the proposal, because this can allow Sitara and Töregene to find a different path where they aren't losing their powers and are able to do what they originally wanted. That's a good read on it. We closed one door but another might open. We're definitely gonna have to fight tooth and nails for the second one though.
トレゲネを取り戻すためなら、彼女はどんな代償も払う覚悟だったんだ。たとえ自分とトレゲネがボラクチンに再び挑む力を完全に失う結果になってもね。だからソルガシュタニが提案を断るのは必要だったんだよ。それでシタラとトレゲネが、力を失わずに元々やりたいことを実現できる別の道を見つけられるからね。良い解釈だと思う。一つの扉は閉じたけど、別のが開くかもしれない。ただ、二つ目は必死に戦わないと手に入らないだろうな。普通くん
zenograff
Sitara is still too naive, can't even be called a schemer. Hope she will get character development.
シタラはまだ純粋すぎるッ! 策士なんて呼べるレベルじゃない。今後の成長に期待したいけど、このままだとやられちゃうんじゃないかって心配になる…!感情くん
ShzMeteor
She definitely feels like a schemer in making rather than a fully fledged mastermind. It makes her character growth very promising.
彼女は完全な黒幕というより、まだ成長途上の策略家って感じだね。キャラとしての成長がすごく楽しみになる。普通くん
pencuri_susu
原文
I love how despite the hatred Sitara's held for the Mongols theres still a hint of empathy towards Sorghaghtani's predicament and how it mirrors her own. Sorghaghtani may have reminded her of Zumurrud and Anis and how they gave in to their despair so Sitara's sudden but honest outburst was something Sorghaghtani needed in order to pull herself from her depressive stupor. Perhaps they'll be allies of sorts going forward.
シタラのモンゴルへの憎悪の中にも、ソルガクタニへの共感がチラ見えするの好きやわ。自分の境遇と重なるんやろな。ソルガクタニがズムルッドやアニスの絶望に負けた姿を思い出させたんやろ。シタラの急で正直な言葉が、ソルガクタニが鬱状態から抜け出すキッカケになったんや。今後、ある意味の味方同士になるんちゃうか?2ちゃん
Ocixo
I did also like how Sorghaghtani has come to understand Sitara’s feelings after having lost someone dear to herself. This whole affair has brought them closer together in a roundabout way.
ソルガクタニが大切な人を失った経験を通して、シタラの気持ちを理解できるようになったのも良かったな。この一連の出来事で、回りくどいけど二人の距離が縮まった感じがする。普通くん
BosuW
原文
I wonder if this could be detrimental to Sitara in the long run though. I think previously, Sorghaghtani was in a similar perspective as Boraqchin, thinking that Sitara was just a regular, if book smart, servant, that she could use for her benefit. But with this strange new empathetic relationship she may realize there's a smoldering fire inside Sitara that everyone is letting go unattended. Of course, the irony and potential backfire only makes this all more compelling!
ただ、長期的に見ればシタラにとって不利に働く可能性も考えられる。以前のソルガクタニはボラクチンと似た視点で、シタラをただの本好きな普通の従者、自分の利益に利用できる存在だと思っていた。しかし今回の奇妙な共感関係を通じて、彼女はシタラの内に燻る火種に気づくかもしれない。皆が放置しているそれを。もちろん、その皮肉と裏目に出る可能性こそが、この物語をより魅力的にしているんだよな。考察くん
abandoned_idol
Man, I can't wait to see all these women fight. Ugh, I'd be devastated if they took down Boraqchin (she's awesome).
まじでこの女性たちのバトル楽しみすぎるんだけど!?でもボラクチンがやられたら泣くわ…あの子まじで最高じゃん!ギャル
CitronClassic672
原文
That was my fault part of the episode. Sitara was prepared for Sorghaghtani to be angry at her and to respond with her own anger, only for her to be despondent and hopeless. Yeah it definitely reminded her of Zummurud and Anis, but I think the thing that really caused Sitara’s outburst was how it was liking looking at herself at her lowest. At the person she tried and continues to try to plaster over with her hatred for the mongols and quest for revenge against them. At the person she refuses to be.
あのエピソードの冒頭は本当にきつかったな。シタラはソルガクタニが怒って自分も怒り返してくると思ってたのに、実際は絶望して希望を失ってただけだったんだよな。確かにズムルドとアニスのことを思い出させたんだろうけど、シタラが爆発した本当の理由は、自分のどん底の姿を鏡で見てるような気分だったからだと思う。モンゴルへの憎しみと復讐心で必死に塗りつぶそうとしてきた、なりたくないと思ってる自分の姿をな。普通くん
RehabCenterInc
Boraqchin’s evil smile in last episode made me expect this. Still seeing her thought process really does make her seem like the true witch
ボラクチンの悪い笑み、前回のエピソードで見た時点でやばい予感してたんだよね〜。でも実際に彼女の思考プロセスを見ると、まじで本物の魔女って感じしかしないんだけど!?ギャル
Ocixo
What surprised me most is that Boraqchin had seemingly made plans for this assassination long ago. Well before Sitara came into the picture. Her bezoar stone was merely the catalyst that set things in motion.
一番驚いたのは、ボラクチンがこの暗殺をずっと前から計画してたってことだね。シタラが登場するずっと前からさ。彼女のベゾアール石は、ただ事態を動かすきっかけにすぎなかったんだな。普通くん
charactergallery
Just like how the bezoar stone brought Sitara and Töregene together to call on a storm, it created the catalyst necessary for Boraqchin to call down a storm of her own.
ボラクチンが自分の嵐を呼ぶためのきっかけを作ったってわけか…。ベゾアの石がシタラとトレゲネを結びつけて嵐を呼んだのと同じように、彼女自身の嵐を呼ぶ触媒になったんだな。エモすぎるッ!感情くん
reaperow
Sitara was the Jaadugar and Boraqchin the Witch
シタラがジャードゥーガルで、ボラクチンは魔女ってわけね!やばくね!?この対立まじで熱すぎるんだけど!!ギャル
BosuW
Jadugaar is magician in Persian right? What's the word in Mongolian?
ジャドゥーガルってペルシャ語で魔術師って意味だよね?モンゴル語ではなんて言うんだろう?普通くん
Maximum-Warthog2368
there can be multiple witches. For women in that era witches and jaadugar is used negatively interchangeably.
その時代の女性にとって「魔女」と「ジャードゥーガル」は同義で悪い意味で使われてたんやろな。複数人おってもおかしくないわ。2ちゃん
abandoned_idol
She's also a scientist. She's terrifying.
彼女は科学者でもあるんだよね。怖すぎる。普通くん
mutantmagnet
Getting this version of Boraqchin's backstory is encouraging me to look up the most up to date history book on this time period. The author despite her thorough research had misgivings later on because new discoveries put even more holes into their story than they intended. It will be helpful to know what liberties they took when crafting this compelling story.
ボラクチンの過去編見てワイも最新の歴史書調べたくなったわ。作者は徹底的に調査したのに、後から新発見で自分たちの物語に想定以上に穴が開いて困惑してたらしいンゴ。この魅力的なストーリーにどんな脚色が入ってるか知る助けになりそうや。2ちゃん
a1oner_bvcksn6
原文
The trio panicking over the approaching attendant sent me💀 I really wanted for Sorghagtani to be a major player in all this so I'm certainly pleased that Sitara's condescending outburst was able to somewhat snap her out of her despair. I honestly feel that Sitara vs Boraqchin would get old real fast so a third party will be necessary to keep everyone on their toes. And now that Sitara has let her true feelings slip/show, hopefully Sorghagtani realizes that Sitara's not the ally she'd initially thought of.
3人組が近づいてくる従者にパニくってるの笑ったわ💀 ソルガクタニがこの件の主要人物になってほしかったから、シタラの上から目線の激昂で彼女が絶望から多少なりとも正気に戻ったのは嬉しいよ。シタラvsボラクチンはすぐ飽きそうだし、第三者がいて全員の気を引き締める必要があると思う。そしてシタラが本音を漏らしてしまった今、ソルガクタニが彼女を最初に思ってたような味方じゃないと気づいてくれるといいんだけどな。考察くん
TerribleShiksaBride
Them flipping out while she kept calmly walking was fantastic!
彼女が落ち着いて歩き続ける中、彼らがパニックになるのが最高だった!普通くん
Ouralian
原文
I see a growing evil within Sitara regarding her interactions with Sorghagtani in this episode and a fine example of different experiences and perspectives painting a different picture. In her mind, Sorghagtani is the one responsible for ruining her life and thus she happily expects to see her angry and blaming her for ruining her life by failing to protect Tolui, arrogsntly thinking that the pain and anger she is feeling is nothing compares to hers. She's shamelessly hoping to personally ragebait a sorrowful widower. What she instead sees is that Sorghagtani lost all hope and doesn't even blame her at all. This confuses and enrages Sitara, " How dare that a monster like her express sorrow at losing a lived one!?" Ironically she's the one being ragebaited. She tries to maintain her composure and her emotional disguise but ultimately she reveals her true self to her, calling weak and she is strong and will continue to move on but not before she breaks down, arguably Sorghagtani's sorrow reminds her of her traumas. I fear what will become of Sitara as the story goes on. She is mentally being warped by her need for revenge but being torn down by her conscience.
シタラのソルガクタニに対する態度、今回のエピソードで悪意が増してるンゴね。異なる経験と視点が違う絵を描く良い例やわ。彼女の頭の中ではソルガクタニが人生を台無しにした張本人で、トルイを守れなかったことで怒り狂って自分を責める姿を見たいと思っとる。自分の痛みや怒りは彼女の比じゃないと傲慢に思い込んでな。悲しみに暮れる未亡人をわざと煽ろうとしてるんやけど、実際に見たのは希望を失い全く責めてこないソルガクタニ。これがシタラを混乱させ激怒させる。「愛する者を失った悲しみをあの怪物が表すなんて許せん!」と。皮肉なことに煽られてるのはシタラの方や。感情の仮面を保とうとするが、結局本性を晒して「お前は弱い、私は強い」と叫び、立ち直ろうとする。でも崩れ落ちる寸前まで追い込まれてる。ソルガクタニの悲しみが自分のトラウマを思い出させるんやろな。この先シタラがどうなるか怖いわ。復讐への執念で精神が歪みつつ、良心に引き裂かれてるンゴ。2ちゃん
Misticsan
原文
She is mentally being warped by her need for revenge but being torn down by her conscience. There is a certain irony to this conflict in this particular episode: her need for revenge demanded she kept a cool head, smile and act like a good servant. Revenge is a dish that is best served cold, after all. Instead, her rage was the product of symapthizing with Sorghaghtani, in a way. "This person is now in the same place I was, how come she isn't angry or plotting revenge like I am? This is unworthy of the woman that was supposed to be my arch-enemy!"
彼女は復讐への執念で精神的に歪みつつあるけど、良心に引き裂かれてるんだよね。このエピソードの葛藤には皮肉がある:復讐のためには冷静さを保ち、笑顔で良い使用人を演じる必要があった。復讐は冷めてからが一番美味いって言うしね。でも実際は、ソルガクタニに共感した結果怒りが湧いてる。「この人も昔の自分と同じ立場なのに、なんで私みたいに怒ったり復讐を企んだりしないんだ?宿敵になるはずだった女としてふさわしくない!」って感じで。普通くん
CitronClassic672
I feel it goes beyond simply sympathizing, and rather that Sorgaghtani reminded her how broken she was after Tus was sacked, and how she can’t stand looking into that mirror.
ソルガクタニに同情してるっつーより、あいつがトゥース陥落後に自分がどんだけボロボロになったか思い出させたっつーか、鏡見るのが辛いんやろな。2ちゃん
BosuW
Interesting. I had a slightly different read on it. I thought that Sitara was offended that Sorghaghtani gave up after a single loss and wouldn't fight back, when she lost everything and though the temptation is there she still holds on to that fire even as it burns her. She's like kinda being an Eren to her.
なるほど。ちょっと俺は違う読み方をしてたな。シタラが腹立ててたのは、ソルガクタニが一度負けただけで諦めて反撃しなかったことだと思ってた。彼女は全部失っても、誘惑はあるけど燃える炎を抱え続けてるんだよ。まるでエレンみたいな存在になってる気がする。普通くん
CitronClassic672
Sitara’s reaction to Sorghaghtani feels like the best instance yet of a recurring element of Sitara’s interaction with the mongols. The idea of “How dare the ones who took everything from me be regular people?!”
シタラのソルガクタニへの反応、今までで一番刺さったわ。モンゴル人との絡みでずっと出てるテーマやけど、「ワイから全て奪った連中が、ただの普通の人間やなんて許されへん!」って感情がガチで伝わってくるンゴwww2ちゃん
szalhi
Some sort of Jaadugar.
なんかジャードゥーガル的なやつじゃね?笑ギャル
maliwanag0712
"You expected it was Fatima who's the witch in Mongolia, but it was me, Boraqchin!" - Boraqchin, probably.
「モンゴルの魔女はファーティマだと思ったか?残念、俺こそがボラクチンだ!」——ボラクチン、多分。
くっそワロタwwwこの改変ネタ完璧すぎるッ!ボラクチンがまさかの伏線回収担当とか優勝でしょ!感情くん
abandoned_idol
I like how Boraqchin has such a neutral temperament. I'm a Boraqchin fan now.
ボラクチンの中性的な気質いいよな。ワイ今からボラクチンファンやわ2ちゃん
summerphobic
I only now realised the third eye theme she's got going on. The grandma doesn't dwelve into new age just for show.
今になって気づいたんだけど、彼女の第三の目がテーマになってるんだね。おばあちゃんも見せかけだけじゃなくて、ちゃんと新しい時代のことを考えてるみたいだ。普通くん
BosuW
Gonna be peak cinema when Sitara finally upsets her and tells her "I am the Witch in Mongolia".
シタラがついにあの人のこと怒らせて「私はモンゴルの魔女だ」って言うシーン、やばくない!?完全に神回じゃん!!ギャル
Dark_Lordy
To be the Great Khatun one should know how to farm aura
大ハトゥンになるにはオーラの育て方知っとかんとあかんやろwww2ちゃん
Misticsan
原文
I find the parallelisms between Sitara and Sorghaghtani fascinating: Tolui took the maths book from Sitara's family, after killing the most important person in her life, and gave it to Sorgahghtani because she wanted it. Boraqchin took the book from Sorghaghtani's family, after killing the most important person in her life, and gave it to Sitara because she wanted it. Both Sitara and Sorghaghtani think of their similarities in this very episode. Both have experienced what it feels to lose the person they loved and have their life upended. Sitara expected Sorghaghtani to react like she did and is disappointed by her depressed state. Even the visuals draw parallelisms. Sitara's POV flashbacks of her life in Tus are animated in the exact same way as Sorghaghtani's POV flashback of Tolui. Knowing what history has in store for Sitara and Sorghaghtani, I bet we'll see more parallelisms in the future.
シタラとソルガフタニの対比が面白いよね。トルイはシタラの家族から数学の本を奪って、彼女の人生で最も大切な人を殺した後、ソルガフタニが欲しがったからそれを渡した。ボラクチンはソルガフタニの家族から本を奪って、大切な人を殺した後、シタラが欲しがったから渡した。このエピソードで二人とも自分たちの類似点に気づいてる。愛する人を失って人生が変わった経験をしてるし、シタラはソルガフタニが自分と同じように反応すると思ったのに、落ち込んでる姿に失望してる。映像的にも対比されてて、シタラのトゥスでの回想とソルガフタニのトルイの回想が同じ演出なんだよね。歴史的に二人に何が待ち受けてるか考えたら、今後もっと対比が見られそうだね。普通くん
tripleaamin
原文
This episode really showcases how long Boraqchin was planning this all out. Then with Sitara her plan went fully in motion. I am curious what her relationship and plans are for Möge. More than likely protecting her. I can only assume she did this for Ögedei, but no doubt this isn't what Ögedei would want. For Boraqchin she wants the Mongols to be united. Though does she aim to take out both brothers? With Töregene in the palm of her hands having her son marry Sorghaghtani is the next step. The scene where Sitara goes to see Sorghaghtani because she sees Sorghaghtani the moment she lost someone dear to her for the first time. Sitara hates them for taking her family away from her, but seeing Sorghaghtani reduced from great ambition to this really upset her. It's like Sitara. Though it is through that speech that Sorghaghtani hasn't given up hope. It makes me curious how Sorghaghtani views Sitara now. I'm curious what becomes of Sorghaghtani next.
今回のエピソードは、ボラクチンがどれだけ長い時間をかけてこの計画を練っていたかを如実に示しているな。そしてシタラの登場で、彼女の計画が完全に動き出した。シタラとメゲの関係性や、メゲに対する計画が気になる。おそらくは彼女を守るためだろう。ボラクチンがオゴデイのために動いたのは間違いないが、オゴデイが望む形ではないだろうな。ボラクチンの狙いはモンゴルの統一だ。だが、彼女は兄弟二人を排除するつもりなのか? トレゲネを掌中に収め、彼女の息子とソルガクタニを結婚させるのが次の一手だろう。
シタラがソルガクタニを訪ねる場面は、彼女が初めて大切な人を失った瞬間をソルガクタニに見出したからだ。シタラは家族を奪った彼らを憎んでいるが、大いなる野望から落ちぶれていくソルガクタニの姿に心を揺さぶられた。まさにシタラらしい反応だ。だが、その演説を通じてソルガクタニが希望を捨てていないことも分かる。ソルガクタニが今、シタラをどう見ているのか気になるな。次にソルガクタニがどうなるのかも注目だ。考察くん
tiredpandax3
She doesn't have to take out Chagatai, the reason Tolui had to be taken out was due to the power imbalance making him a big threat for Ogedei despite him not having that intention himself. (I'd say both Chagatai and Tolui is equally as loyal to Ogedei). That's why her immediate plan next is to have Sorghaghtani married to Guyuk.
彼女がチャガタイを排除する必要はないんだよ。トルイが排除されたのは、権力の不均衡でオゴデイにとって大きな脅威になったからで、本人にその気がなくてもね。(チャガタイもトルイもオゴデイへの忠誠は同等だと思うけど)だから次の即時計画としてソルコクタニをグユクと結婚させるってわけだ。普通くん
mekerpan
One wonders whether Ogedei has any idea of what Boraqchin has been up to? Toregene seems to have been Ogedei's principal wife prior to "inheriting" Boraqchin and Moge. I wonder if he lost interest in her after this? Sorghaghtani has done a good job in shooting down Boraqchin's plotting. But will it serve to further Fatima's plans.
オゲデイがボラクチンの暗躍をどこまで把握しているのか、実に興味深い考察ポイントだな。トゥレゲネが「継承」前の正室だったとすると、ボラクチンとモゲを得た後に彼女への関心が薄れた可能性も考えられる。ソルコクタニがボラクチンの陰謀を的確に潰したのは見事だが、これが逆にファーティマの計画を前進させる伏線になるのでは?という読みもできる。考察くん
Namaryu
She really gave her hope while exposing herself.
彼女、自分をさらけ出しながら彼女に希望を与えたんだ…。泣いた。まじで泣いたッ!このシーン無理すぎる優勝!感情くん
Salt-Use-
Yep she just exposed how much she hated Sorghaghtani, while it did lead her to deny the marriage proposal, I doubt the consequences would be good for Sitara either.
せやな、ソルガクタニへの憎悪がバレてもうたやん。それで縁談断ったのはええけど、シタラにもええ結果にならん気がするンゴwww2ちゃん
BosuW
You can't share the fire without opening the furnace.
炉を開けなきゃ火は分け与えられないだろ。普通くん
reaperow
I wonder if she'll realize what and how much they took from Sitara
シタラから何をどんだけ奪ったか、あの子気づくのかな〜気になるんだけど!ギャル
structure9food612
Sitara being honest being the reason why she foiled Boraqchin’s plan is so good, along with getting some catharsis after resenting Sorhaghtani for so long.
シタラが正直だったからこそボラクチンの計画を阻止できたのは本当に良かったし、長年ソルガクタニを恨んでいた後のカタルシスも最高だったね。普通くん
SirVixofthePooSea
Its really funny how Ogedei told Boraqchin he liked her and felt they were of a common mind once, and she immediately became a bloodthirsty yandere plotting out how to murder everyone that could ever pose a threat to his rule, whether likely or unlikely. Our Granny really really really loves her man.
オゴデイがボラクチンに好意を抱き、かつては考えが通じ合っていたと伝えた途端、彼女が血に飢えたヤンデレと化し、彼の統治に脅威となり得る者を、可能性が高いか低いかに関わらず全員殺害する計画を練り始めたのが本当に面白い。我らが婆様は本当に本当に本当に旦那を愛しているんだな。考察くん
not_a_bot_bro_trust
yep. I thought they purely treated each other like allies because Moge looked like the only person Boraqchin genuinely liked but wow now we have a het age gap ship and a yuri one
そうだね。モゲはボラクチンが心から好いてる唯一の人物だと思ってたから、二人は純粋に味方同士だと思ってたよ。でもまさか、年齢差のある男女カップリングと百合カップリングが両方出てくるとはな。普通くん
BusouDrago
Orochimaru wants Ogedei body for herself when she takes over the body
やばくね!?大蛇丸がオゴデイの体狙ってるんだけど!乗っ取るつもりらしいよ!!ギャル
Maximum-Warthog2368
i feel like it is not love but lust for power.
ワイ的にはあれは愛ちゃうくて権力への欲望やと思うンゴwww2ちゃん
SirVixofthePooSea
Nah, l ook at her face when Ogedei says that he wants her by his side as a confidant and one that understands him unlike anyone else. He got her right in the heart.
いや、オゴデイが「側にいてほしい、誰よりも俺を理解してくれる者として」って言った時の彼女の顔見てよ。まさに心臓を射抜かれてるじゃん。普通くん
thisisdropd
原文
Boraqchin’s truly a woman of focus, commitment, and sheer will! As if (non-fatally) poisoning Ogedei wasn’t ballsy enough, she had also used herself as a guinea pig. I thought her poisoning episode inspired her to incorporate it into her plot but turned out it’s a part of it all along. Not a great day for Sitara. After playing the long game for years, she couldn’t even get the satisfaction of taking revenge due to Sorghaghtani losing all her emotions. She expected her to feel immense rage but instead felt emptiness. Having said that, Sitara managed to give a pep talk which restored Sorghaghtani’s will to live and led the latter to decline the marriage to Guyuk. It might’ve worked too well, though. Sorghaghtani’s resolve seemed to be toughened to the point of not feeling anger over Tolui’s death.
ボラクチンは本当に、集中力と決意と不屈の意志を兼ね備えた女性だな。オゴデイを(致死量ではないとはいえ)毒殺するだけでも度胸が据わってるのに、自分自身を実験台にしていたとは。最初は毒殺事件が彼女の計画の着想になったと思ってたが、実は最初から計画の一部だったという考察ができる。シタラにとっては散々な日だったな。長年計画を練ってきたのに、ソルガクタニが感情を失ったせいで復讐の満足感すら得られなかった。彼女は激しい怒りを期待していたが、代わりに虚無を感じたのだろう。とはいえ、シタラの激励がソルガクタニの生存意志を回復させ、グユクとの結婚を断る決断に繋がったのは見事だ。ただ、それが効きすぎた可能性もある。ソルガクタニの決意は、トルイの死に怒りすら感じないほど固まってしまったように思える。考察くん
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
They say poison is a woman’s weapon. Boraqchin’s quite the little schemer. Everything was going according to her plan to consolidate power for the Great Kha’an. Toregene was used as her pawn and now Tolui’s gone. Plus Sorghaghtani’s marrying Goyuk. But it seems that’s not going to happen. I wonder what’s next? Is Fatima going to get some sense of revenge from this whole situation now that Sorghaghtani’s turning down the proposal?
毒は女の武器って言うけど、ボラクチンはなかなかの策略家だね。大カアンの権力強化に向けて、彼女の計画通りに全部進んでたんだろうな。トレゲネは駒として使われて、トルイももういないし。さらにソルガフタニがゴユクと結婚する流れだったのに、どうやらそれは実現しなさそうだね。次はどうなるんだろう?ソルガフタニが縁談を断った今、ファーティマはこの状況で復讐心に火がついたりするのかな?普通くん
Ocixo
Wait a minute. Does this mean that Boraqchin had been the “witch” referred to in the title all along!? It does appear that she’ll be the main antagonist from this point onwards. Would be sort of cool if Sitara, Töregene and Sorghaghtani were to come together as an united front against Boraqchin’s scheming. All three have a good reason for doing so.
ちょっと待て。つまりボラクチンこそが、タイトルに登場する「魔女」だったというわけか!? この先、彼女が主要な敵役になることはほぼ確定的だと思われる。シタラ、トレゲネ、ソルガクタニが団結してボラクチンの陰謀に対抗する展開になったら、結構熱いな。三人にはそれぞれ対抗するだけの正当な理由があるからな。考察くん
BusouDrago
You're a witch, she's a witch, everyone's a witch
お前も魔女、あいつも魔女、みんな魔女だな普通くん
BusouDrago
Orochimaru planned everything from the moment she found that stone
大蛇丸があの石を見つけた瞬間から全部計算済みやったんか…ガチで怖すぎやろ2ちゃん
AceSoldia
I have a feeling Sitara just wants to die .lmao she can't keep her emotions in check to save her life
シタラまじで死にたがってる気しかしないんだけど笑 感情抑えられなさすぎて自分を守れないのやばくね!?ギャル
SirVixofthePooSea
Sitara lives on a loop of "I'm a Genius!!"=>"Oh No!!". She's just lucky that she's a minor enough figure still that most overlook her so she escapes consequences.
シタラは「ワイ天才や!!」→「あっやべ」のループで生きとるンゴwww
まだ目立たない小物やから皆スルーしてくれてるけど、そのおかげで制裁逃れとるだけやなwww2ちゃん
Salt-Use-
Yeah she's getting humbled over and over but nothing of consequence has yet to actually happen to her. Boraqchin practically took her revenge for her and got her book back.
彼女、何度も痛い目見てるけど、まだ本当の代償は払ってないんだよな。ボラクチンが事実上、彼女の代わりに復讐して本も取り戻してくれたじゃん。それにしても、ここまで見ててスッキリしない展開続きでしんどいわ…!感情くん
abandoned_idol
It's so fun to watch Sitara. I imagine that she'll probably grow much wiser throughout this story. She already has one ally, so I wouldn't be surprised if she found more tutors of life in this empire.
シタラ見てるのまじで楽しいんだけど!この物語の中でめっちゃ賢くなっていきそうじゃん?もう仲間一人いるし、この帝国で人生の先生もっと見つけちゃうんじゃない?全然驚かないわ笑ギャル