VoidRay728
Now this is the chaotic comedy I'm looking for. I saw a post somewhere saying this anime's premise is "an assassin specialising in poison teams up with a cross-dressing marriage swindler to find a wife in order to prevent his lesbian sister from being forced into an arranged marriage". It sounds ridiculous when you read it like that, but 1 episode in and it totally makes sense.
これはまさに俺が求めていた混沌としたコメディだ。どこかの投稿で「毒を専門に使う殺し屋が、女装した結婚詐欺師とタッグを組んで、レズビアンの妹が強制結婚させられるのを防ぐために妻探しをする」という前提を読んだんだが、文字にすると馬鹿げてるのに、1話見たら完全に納得できるんだよな。考察くん
hagamablabla
I'd somehow missed the cross-dresser part of the description, so that was a fun reveal.
説明の女装部分をうっかり見逃してたから、その展開は面白いサプライズだったな。普通くん
RimeSkeem
I somehow missed that and the part where his sister was gay. I only knew the marriage swindler bit and the forced marriage bit.
え、それ見逃してた!?妹がレズビアンってとこも!?結婚詐欺と強制結婚のとこしか知らなかったわ……しんどすぎる感情くん
BosuW
I missed all of that because I only look at Key Visuals so every reveal this episode was so fun!
草www ワイはキービジュアルしか見てなかったから今週の暴露話全部新鮮で楽しめたンゴwww2ちゃん
Sayie
I missed even more by my friends just putting it on for us to watch without me knowing literally anything about it, even the name. Was a very pleasant surprise that it was good!
友達が何も教えずにいきなり見せてくれたんだけど、タイトルすら知らなかったんだよね。それがめっちゃ面白くて良い意味で驚いた!普通くん
sicklything
same, and I could swear I've read multiple summaries in at least two different languages (the manga's been promoted a lot here in Germany). And still we've ended up none the wiser. i appreciate this episode 1 curveball.
同感だ。少なくとも2言語で複数のあらすじを読んだ気がする(この漫画、ドイツではかなりプロモーションされてるんだ)。それなのに、結局何もわかっていない。この1話の急展開は評価できるな。制作陣が意図的に情報を制御しているという考察ができる。考察くん
yurilnw123
I didn't know about the premise, but I suspected that's the case because he kept using Kanojo to refer to her SO
その設定は知らなかったけど、彼が彼女のことをずっと「彼女」って呼んでたから、そういうことかなって思ってたよ。普通くん
Ralathar44
I went into it blind like I normally try to so it was all a treat to me 😃.
ワイ、いつも通り事前情報無しで見たんやけど、最初から最後まで全部がご褒美やったわ😃 マジで草2ちゃん
RapCabral
Cross-dresser so cute that he actually got me feeling kinda gay
クロスドレッサー可愛すぎて、自分がちょっとゲイになった気分になるわ普通くん
NoNameSwitzerland
To be fair, the boobs are as real as anime boobs can be.
ふむ、その乳房(ちぶさ)はアニメのそれとして限りなく真実に近いと言えよう。実に見事であるな。武士
1Xyrel
Son 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
この世の理から断ち切られたかのような、あまりにも無情なる別れ…我が涙よ、止まること能わず。嗚呼、運命とはかくも残酷なものなのか。中二病
Sea_Equivalent_4207
🤣🤣🤣🤣❗️
あっはっは!🤣🤣🤣🤣 やばすぎじゃんこれ!笑い死ぬかと思ったわ!ギャル
Frontier246
Honestly, props to Gero for being a good Ally for his sister and being so relatable with how difficult modern dating is.
マジでGeroに拍手!!妹のために良い味方になってて、しかも現代の恋愛がどれだけ難しいかって話が超共感できるんだよなッ!感情くん
cyberscythe
one of the more progressive social justice assassins out there
確かに、結構進歩的な社会正義の暗殺者だよね普通くん
Aviri
He murders people but will always get your pronouns correct.
まじで殺人犯なのにちゃんと代名詞は正しく使ってくるの笑うんだけど!やばくない?笑ギャル
DragonPup
Based.
我が魂が共鳴する…これはまさに真理の一端を垣間見た瞬間だ。中二病
BosuW
"I'm a villain not a monster" ahh
「『悪役であって怪物じゃない』って感じのセリフ、めちゃくちゃエモい…ッ!」感情くん
Itchy-Pudding-4240
the real toxicity was society all along
本当の毒性は社会そのものだったんだなwwwwおじ
NoNameSwitzerland
tokyo-city ?
東京シティって言ってた!?笑ギャル
manquistador
Shame on the Grandma for not allowing the sister to just use artificial insemination.
祖母が妹に人工授精を認めなかったの、マジありえないッ!しんどすぎるわ…感情くん
1_snowfield
Late to the party, but I think the main issue is that it's a very traditional household, which means it's not uncommon to require full marriage with the associated public life while the GF can be "allowed" as the unspoken side piece. But most likely Akari wants to build a life with her GF, not relegate the love of her life to a hidden mistress.
遅れて見たんだけど、一番の問題は伝統的な家柄ってことだと思う。表向きはちゃんとした結婚が求められて、彼女は暗黙の内緒の相手として「許される」ってパターンは珍しくないんだよね。でも多分、明里は彼女と人生を築きたいだけで、愛する人を隠れた愛人にしたくないんだろうな。普通くん
manquistador
Ah yes. The very public life of a family of assassins. Obviously the entire premise is ridiculous. I'm just poking fun at the main conflict being incredibly easy to solve with a slight ounce of outside the box thinking.
確かに。暗殺一家の公的な生活って時点で設定が荒唐無稽だよな。でも本題は、「少し創造力を使えば簡単に解決できる問題をわざわざ主な対立に据えてる」って点を皮肉ってるんだ。この構造、よく見ると制作陣があえて非効率な解決法を選ばせてるのが透けて見える。考察くん
1_snowfield
原文
The very public life of a family of assassins. I mean, the fact there is a main family, branch family, bug clan, needle clan, etc = there's a whole underground society with traditional hierarchy. I'm just poking fun at the main conflict being incredibly easy to solve with a slight ounce of outside the box thinking. Sure, but the author is clearly emphasizing how Japanese-style traditional family pressure and duties can get in the way of personal freedom - remember, there's a main and branch family, so it's super traditional. Duty to family above all, which must look a certain way. Traditional = a man and woman married, usually for family duty (e.g. chosen for bloodline/status/power/business connection), love not necessary, with kid(s) preferably at least one male. Unspoken rule for those arrangements is that you can have a lover on the side, but they aren't considered family and it must be discreet. Whatever discussions she had with granny, Akari felt there was no acceptable compromise and she would rather break up with her GF. It's nice that you're trying to think of possible solutions in such a dilemma to satisfy everyone (or compromise where Akari isn't happy?), but it doesn't quite matter how "obvious" the solution might be if it's coming from the POV of a more socially-free society where certain options are more accepted. Until the author possibly brings the family to accept personal freedom/agency/happiness of their grandchildren as part of the story, the traditional views are the backdrop of the conflict. It doesn't matter if you think it's stupidly easy to solve if they gave it a bit more thought, because these views still exist today in different forms (including upper echelon Japan). The degree of pressure is implicitly understood by the intended Japanese audience, so it doesn't need to be expounded on, like this long-ass response ended up being. Anyway, I'm not here to go in depth on cultural differences and how marriage, family duties and maintaining face are treated, right or wrong, IRL or fiction. It was just supposed to be another way to look at what's going on in the story and character reactions. Edit: typos, clarification
殺し屋一家の公的な生活って面白いよな。本家・分家・虫使い・針使い…完全に伝統的なヒエラルキー構造の地下社会だよ。ただ単純に、ちょっと枠を外して考えれば簡単に解決できるメインの対立を茶化してただけなんだけどさ。
でも作者は明らかに、日本の伝統的な家族のプレッシャーや義務が個人の自由をどう妨げるかを強調してるよね。本家と分家がある時点で超伝統的。家族の義務が最優先で、体裁も大事。伝統=男女の結婚(血筋や地位やビジネスのため)、愛は必須じゃない、できれば男の子。そういう取り決めでは、内緒の恋人がいてもいいけど家族とは認められない、って暗黙のルールがある。
あかりが祖母と話し合った結果、妥協点が見つからずに彼女と別れる道を選んだってのは理解できるよ。もっと自由な社会の視点から「解決策は明白」って言われても、それはこの世界観では通用しないんだ。作者が家族に個人の自由や幸せを受け入れさせる展開にしない限り、伝統的な価値観が対立の背景として存在し続ける。
「もっと考えれば簡単に解決できるのに」って思うかもしれないけど、そういう考え方自体が今も様々な形で存在してる(日本の上流階級含めて)。そのプレッシャーの度合いは、日本の読者には暗黙で理解されてるから、わざわざ説明する必要もないんだよ。俺がこんな長文書いちゃったみたいにな。
まあとにかく、文化の違いや普通くん
bituin_the_lines
That's still bad, imo. Maybe Grandma can bear the child instead thru artificial insemination vs forcing the sister to have babies.
うむ、某(それがし)もそれは拙いと思うでござる。祖母殿が人工授精にて子を成す道を選ぶ方が、妹君に無理やり子を産ませるよりはまだ良かろう。武士
manquistador
On levels of bad being forced to bear and raise a child with your chosen partner (assuming the partner sticks around) is much better off than being forced into marriage, raped until pregnant, then having to raise your rapists child with him. Bad things are not equal.
確かに、強制的に結婚させられてレイプされて子供を産むよりは、好きな相手と一緒に子育てする方がマシだよね。悪いことにも程度の差があるって話だと思う。普通くん
bituin_the_lines
Oh yeah. That's wayyyy wayyy more evil. But forcing someone to have babies too, even through artificial insemination, shouldn't be an option. As a woman, you're going to be forced to undergo pregnancy and birth a baby? That's still a horror story, unless the sister and her girlfriend wanted to.
まあ確かに、そっちの方がはるかに悪質だよな。でも人工授精だろうと、無理やり子供を産ませるのは選択肢に入れるべきじゃない。女性に妊娠と出産を強制されるってのは、姉とその彼女が望んでない限り、立派なホラーだよ。ドライおじ
HornedTurtle1212
Couldn't the family just adopt an heir? Isn't that what noble houses/bloodlines did in the past when there wasn't a direct heir? Like there must be some distant cousin or an orphan who could become the next poison master.
確かに、直系の跡継ぎがいないなら他家から養子を取ればいいのにって思うよね。昔の貴族家系ならよくあった話だし、遠い親戚とか孤児で毒術師になれる人を探せばいいんじゃないかな。普通くん
Iron_Maw
That not gonna work (nor is it even guaranteed to succeed with that method). Its needs to bloodline relative and they don't need sister to produce the heir, Hikaru would be fine anyway. Just one of them needs to do it
まあそれじゃうまくいかないだろうな。そもそもその方法で成功する保証もないし。血縁関係が必要だし、妹がいなくてもヒカルで十分だろ。どっちか一人がやればいいんだよ。ドライおじ
DeathLight7000
For real, he's so relatable!
マジでこのキャラ共感しすぎじゃない!?ギャル
Emi_Ibarazakiii
teams up with a cross-dressing marriage swindler to find a wife in order to prevent his lesbian sister I want a 'group date' OVA for all these people
女装結婚詐欺師と組んで妹(レズビアン)の結婚を阻止するために妻探しする話か。このメンバーで「合コン」OVAが欲しいわ。普通くん
NanDemoKnaives
I remember reading this description ages ago and being taken aback, I had completely forgotten about it but you just made me realize it was about this anime lol.
おお、昔このあらすじ読んでビビったの思い出したわw 完全に忘れてたけど、これこのアニメのことかよって今気づいた笑wwwおじ
Shantotto11
I was sold just from the premise by itself. Wacky setups in anime are my bread and butter. Ribdiculous Reincarnation , anybody?
やばっ!最初から設定だけでガチ買いだったわ笑
ぶっ飛んだ設定のアニメってまじで大好きじゃん?「りんかね?」とかさー、そういうのたまらんくない?ギャル
Vane_999
I never read the manga, so when I read the anime premise it was a funny surprise 😆
マンガ読んでなかったから、アニメのあらすじ見て「えっ」ってなったわ😆普通くん
Quixilver05
From what I've watched, that description is spot on
いやマジでその説明、めっちゃ当たってるじゃん!見た感じまさにそれだわ笑ギャル
DrinkGinAndKerosene
KINOSAKI MY WIFE
木崎は俺の嫁普通くん
Frontier246
Kinosaki is my new favorite gender.
木崎、ワイの中で新たな性別として確立されたンゴwww2ちゃん
Qweasd11
Move over Astolfo, its all Kinosaki!
キノサキに全部持ってかれたッ!アストルフォはもういいわ、これからはキノサキの時代だッ!優勝しすぎ!感情くん
SSjjlex
At least save some room for Hideyoshi
少なくとも秀吉の分は残しておいてやれよ普通くん
DrinkGinAndKerosene
the OG
マジそれな!元祖って感じじゃん!ギャル
Qweasd11
Oh man its been a while to hear a Baka to Test to Shoukanjuu character, also not a bad one too.
おっ、久々にバカテスのキャラ聞いたわwしかも悪くなかったやんw2ちゃん
Vane_999
Baka to test mention in 2026!!!
2026年にバカとテストの話が出てくるとは!!!普通くん
actionfirst1
I wonder if Kinosaki will be able to take a place on the Mt. Rushmore for femboys. There's already Astolfo and Felix Argyle, maybe Rimuru depending on your definition so looks like there's room. Of course, the femboy meta can always change
キノサキってフェムボーイのマウントラッシュモアに入れるんかな?もうアストルフォとフェリックス・アーガイルは確定やろ、リムルは定義次第やけどな。枠はまだ空いてるし、もちろんメタは変わるンゴwww2ちゃん
Vane_999
I believe in Kinosaki, there is still room for other femboys after all. and there are Hideyoshi, Saika, Kojuro, Nagisa, Hideri kanzaki, etc too lol
確かにキノサキにはまだまだフェムボーイの余地があると思う。あと秀吉、彩花、幸寿郎、渚、神崎ヒデリとかもいるしな笑普通くん
cyberscythe
more so than Osana Najimi?
「なんなら幼馴染よりもやばくね!?」ギャル
Zeph-Shoir
Best example of gender fluidity? In any case I am Kinosaki-sexual now
最高の性別流動性の例やろこれ。とにかくワイは木ノ崎セクシャルになったわwww2ちゃん
Own_Caterpillar_6178
It's the second coming of Najimi Osana
なじみの再来って感じだね普通くん
shad79
Kinosaki's appearance and Shion Wakayama's voice is certainly a very dangerous combo to our (and Gero's) hearts.
キノ崎のビジュアルと和氣あず未の声の組み合わせ、俺ら(とゲロさん)の心臓に危険すぎるッ!優勝!!感情くん
Nachtwandler_FS
Tss, grandma cannot hold two gay couples in the family.
草、ばあちゃんが家族にゲイカップル二人も許せるわけないやろwww2ちゃん
zenoob
Epilogue of the series is gonna be "The clan fell into ruin. Cause : gay".
エピローグは「一族滅亡。原因:ゲイ」ってやつでしょ。最高すぎるッ!感情くん
Brickinatorium
I feel like this entire problem could be solved if grandma was just ok with adoption or artificial insemination while the MC and his sister get to stay with people they like or stay single.
おばあちゃんが養子や人工授精を認めてくれれば、主人公たちは好きな人と一緒にいられるか独身でいられるのに、って思うな。普通くん
zenoob
I could understand no adoption, to keep the blood line "pure". But yeah, artificial insemination would've solved the entire series lmao.
確かに血筋を"純粋"に保つために養子はなしってのはわかるんだけどさ。でも人工授精で解決できたんじゃね?って思っちゃうわ笑 それでシリーズ終わっちゃうけどな!ギャル
eightcheesepizza
I somehow didn't recognize her until she said "Nani yatten da yo?!" in the way that she does. Shion Wakayama could voice a rock and I'd be captivated.
確かに気づかなかったわ。彼女があの調子で「何やってんだよ?!」って言うまではね。若山詩音が石ころに声を当てても魅了されるわ。普通くん
RapCabral
That combo is way too powerful…I’m genuinely surprised he has captivated me this much and big part is because of her voice lol
あのコンボ強すぎやろ…まじで草、ここまでハマると思わんかったわ。つか声がデカすぎるンゴwww2ちゃん
dagreenman18
Gay, straight, bi? NO! WE ARE ALL KINOSAKISEXUAL!
ゲイ?ストレート?バイ?そんなの関係ねぇ!みんなキノサキセクシャルじゃん!笑ギャル
PeaceAlien
Your Husband*
あなたの夫*普通くん
mastesargent
Ain’t no rule says you gotta be a woman to be a wife
いや〜女じゃなきゃ妻になれないなんてルールないじゃん!てかそれ名言すぎない!?笑ギャル
Les_Bien_Pain
原文
I mean, etymologically you kinda have to, since wife means woman. The word is of Germanic origin from the Proto-Germanic word wībam, which translates into "woman". In Middle English, it had the form wif, and in Old English wīf, "woman or wife". It is related to Modern German Weib (woman, female),[1] Danish viv (wife, usually poetic), and Dutch wijf (woman, generally pejorative, cf. bitch).[2][3] The original meaning of the phrase "wife" as simply "woman", unconnected with marriage or a husband/wife, is preserved in words such as "midwife", "goodwife", "fishwife" and "spaewife". It kinda like how people refer to their partners as "my woman/man" and stuff. Husband and wife kinda just means "homeowner and woman".
語源的には「wife」はもともと「女性」って意味なんだよね。ゲルマン語起源で「女」を指してた。中英語では「wif」、古英語では「wīf」で、「midwife」とか「fishwife」みたいな言葉にその名残がある。夫婦って呼び方も「家の主と女性」みたいな感じで、今でいう「俺の女」って言い方と似てるかもね。普通くん
mastesargent
Pffft. Details. I’m pretty sure Kinosaki would call himself a wife if he ever got married.
ぷっwww細けえことはいいんだよ!てか木ノ崎、結婚したら絶対自分から「奥さん」って呼ばせそうじゃね?笑ギャル
Les_Bien_Pain
Can't argue with that.
それな。マジでそれすぎるッ!感情くん
Roeclean
Got em
やったな普通くん
hagamablabla
Isn't the point to get an heir though?
え、でも跡継ぎを残すのが目的なんじゃないの?やばくね!?ギャル
mastesargent
No. The point is for Gero to find a partner of his own choosing instead of one his family assigns him. Meanwhile his family sees marriage as a means to an end in producing an heir.
ちゃうねん。肝心なのは、ゲロが家族に決められた相手じゃなくて自分で選んだパートナー見つけるってことやろ。一方で家族は結婚を跡継ぎ作るための手段としか見てないってわけや。2ちゃん
hagamablabla
Right, that's what I'm saying. I get he has his own reasons but his family wouldn't accept someone who can't produce an heir.
それな!彼にも事情があるのはわかるけど、子孫残せない相手は家族が認めないっての、まじで現実ヤバくね!?ギャル
mastesargent
Well if it comes to that then his family can kick rocks. Actually they can already go kick rocks since they tried to force his lesbian sister into a heterosexual marriage.
そうなると彼の家族はもう知らんって感じだな。そもそもレズビアンの妹に無理やり異性婚を強要しようとしてた時点で、もう家族はクソだと思うわ。普通くん
Infinite_Object_3090
That's the thing tho. I would like for gero to end up with kinosaki but if he does won't his family force his sister into an arranged marriage? How do we even get out of this, have gero kill his whole clan?
せやな、ワイもキノ崎とくっついてほしいけど、もしそうなったら妹が政略結婚させられるんちゃうか?どうすんねんこれ、ゲロが一族皆殺しにするしかないンゴwww2ちゃん
Storm_Runner_117
I mean, it depends on whether Poison Grandma wants a biological heir, or if she’s willing to adopt an heir into the family. Which does happen, from time to time, when there isn’t a suitable heir, in some cases, in East Asia. So, if she’s okay with an adopted heir, just have Gero and Kinosaki adopt a kid, and prop them up as the future Poison Master.
まあ、毒婆さんが血縁の後継者を欲しがってるか、養子でいいと思ってるかによるよね。東アジアだと適当な後継者がいない時にたまに養子を取るケースもあるし。もし養子でOKなら、ゲロウとキノサキに子供を養子に迎えさせて、将来の毒使いに据えればいいんじゃないかな。普通くん
mastesargent
He just beats up anyone who has a problem until they agree with him. He’s an anime protagonist, he can do that.
草www 問題起こす奴は全員ぶっ飛ばして説得するスタイルやん。アニメ主人公補正かかってるから何でもありやな2ちゃん
kerorobot
Did I stutter?
いや、ちゃんと聞こえてたよ。普通くん
Vane_999
malewife* 😆
malewife* 😆(マジで最高の夫だわ)感情くん
Frontier246
The Best Girl/Best Boy charts are going to be interesting this season lol.
やばくね!?今期のベストガール・ベストボーイランキング、マジで面白くなりそーじゃん笑ギャル
Emi_Ibarazakiii
I wonder if he's gonna be allowed in best girl contests! (I'm guessing "no", given he clearly states being a guy, and only sometimes act as a girl for his job?)
彼がベストガール投票に参加できるのか気になるな。たぶん「ノー」だと思う。だって本人は男だってはっきり言ってるし、仕事でたまに女装するだけだしね。普通くん
xhakami
gero's grandma not getting a grandson. he gonna hit that bussy.
ゲロのばあちゃん、孫ができへんやん。奴はケツを狙うンゴwww2ちゃん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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すみません、コメント削除しました。これはスレッド上部の原作コーナーに投稿すべき内容です。現在放送中のアニメの議論スレでは、原作・スピンオフ・作者コメント・未アニメ化内容の話はそこに書いてね。どれだけ些細な原作比較でも同様です。ネタバレ削除じゃなくて、原作コーナー外での原作話が理由です。質問があればこのメッセージに返信、modmail、またはメタスレへ。ルールはこちら。普通くん
Empty_Condition7145
Just finished one of the books and then I saw a anime playlist of this on Spotify. This is the best day ever.
今ちょうど本読み終わったとこやったんやけど、Spotifyでこのアニメのプレイリスト見つけて草生えたわww 人生で一番の日やンゴwww2ちゃん
FarCritical
Floating off the ground via centipede is such a dope way to get around. The absurdity sure is intoxicating.
ムカデで空中浮遊ってマジでかっこよすぎじゃね!?そのぶっ飛び感がたまらんくてやばいんだけど笑ギャル
Shantotto11
Unless bro is moving on giant roaches, it seems like an inefficient use of bugs and time.
確かに、巨大なゴキブリに乗って移動するならともかく、虫と時間の使い方としては非効率だよね。普通くん
DudeX247
Who needs efficiency when you can aura farm with bugs
バグでオーラファームできるなら効率なんていらなくね!? 最高すぎるッ!感情くん
Shantotto11
Bugsmaxxing
バグマックス草www2ちゃん
Life_Wealth_1392
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テイラー・ハーバートがこのメッセージを認めてるな。普通くん
MoonBearIsNotAmused
Im still tripping about the spider in his mouth
口の中に蜘蛛ってガチで草生えるンゴwww ワイまだビビってるわ2ちゃん
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
Sometimes it takes a man to be best girl. Granny about to die from a stroke once she finds out both her grandchildren are gay.
まじで「ベストガールは男」ってアリじゃね!?笑 おばあちゃん、孫が二人ともゲイって知ったら卒倒しそうだよねwwwギャル
Frontier246
I love how Kinosaki even does shower scenes and flashing his body like he's a seductive woman lol.
草ァ!木ノ崎がセクシー女優みたいにシャワーシーンで身体晒してんのwww
ガチで色気出しすぎやろw2ちゃん
nqtoan1994
Time to insert that "So anybody in this family loves man?" meme.
「この家族で男好きな奴いる?」ってミームを貼る時が来たなッ!感情くん
Vane_999
ngl, it would be a hilarious ending if Gero and Kinosaki actually end up being a couple. I'm sure It won't happen, but that would be one of the most original endings of the last decade 😆
確かにゲロとキノサキがくっついたら笑える結末だよね。実際はないと思うけど、ここ10年で一番独創的なエンディングになりそうでワロタ😂普通くん
Own_Caterpillar_6178
I mean...that's absolutely what is going to happen. I don't know anything about the original source material, but they are definitely going to fall in love.
せやな…絶対そうなるやろな。原作知らんけど、間違いなく恋愛ルートやわwww2ちゃん
Zeph-Shoir
They agreed to marrying, not to having children lmao
結婚には同意したけど、子どもを作るって話じゃなかったんだなw普通くん
CluelessWitness
This show being a stealth BL romance is getting me excited
これ隠れBLロマンスやん…ワイ興奮してきたンゴwww2ちゃん
Lenzky-3
Good thing though.. Gero isn't actually Gay... but that would literally be the end of their clan lol
いやでもさ、Geroが実はゲイじゃなくて良かったじゃん!?もしそうだったら一族終わってたってまじで笑うんだけどwwwギャル
KumaKumaGambler
Assuming Kinosaki's story is true, it was at that moment Kinosaki realized helping Gero find a partner might be more difficult than saving Kinosaki's brother. Lol! It was only a short scene, but I enjoyed the friendship between Gero and Bug Master. Gero openly admitted he thought Bug Master has less chance of getting married than himself. Despite that, Gero was sincerely congratulating his friend.
木ノ崎の話が本当だと仮定するなら、彼が「ゲロの恋人探しを手伝う方が、自分の弟を救うより難しいかもしれない」と悟った瞬間だな。笑。短いシーンだったが、ゲロと蟲使いの友情がよく描かれていた。ゲロは蟲使いの方が自分より結婚できる確率が低いと率直に認めつつ、それでも心から友を祝福していた。この対比に、ゲロの人間性の深みが表れていると思われる。考察くん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
Assuming Kinosaki's story is true Yeah, not sure how much we should believe from a self-proclaimed swindler!
木ノ崎の話が本当だとしてもね。自称詐欺師の言葉をどこまで信じていいかは微妙だよな!普通くん
cyberscythe
given the couple of plot twists in episode one alone, i feel like this story has a few more turns left in it
初回だけであの伏線の量やばすぎるッ!まだまだ展開が残ってそうでしょ。エモすぎて無理!感情くん
Narayan-n91
Either he's truly a man or a great female poker player. Reminder he invited Gero to join him in the bath and flashed him shortly after when he wasnt looking. Gero could've said: "well , I don't believe you so I'm going to check"
あいつ、マジで男なのか、それとも超一流の女ポーカープレイヤーなのか。そういえばゲロを風呂に誘って、隙を見てチラ見せしてたもんな。ゲロが「信じないから確認するわ」って言ってもおかしくなかったのに。普通くん
LoopyChew
I think the context suggests the story to question is actually about Mei’s little brother, not his sex.
確かに!文脈的に問題になってるのはメイの弟の性別じゃなくて、その子自身の話だよね。そういう解釈が一番しっくりくるわ。感情くん
Shadow_Ass
Yeah somehow I also think it could be a trick to help him relax around women or something
せやな、なんか女の子とリラックスできるようにするためのトリックやろなってワイも思うわwww2ちゃん
Kronman590
At the very least it seems like he has similar morals to Gero, only scamming shitty people who deserve it not randos (based on his admonition of the other shitty hitman guy)
少なくとも、ゲロと同じような倫理観を持ってるみたいだな。クズな奴らだけを騙してて、無関係な人には手を出さないって感じ。他のクズ殺し屋を叱ってたところ見てもね。普通くん
Frontier246
Honestly if someone like Bug Master can find love in this industry (and with a super cute girl) than Gero who managed to charm a marriage-swindler for sure can too. Because I think Gero's sincerity, in both his work and to those he's close to, is something that can genuinely win over anyone.
マジでBug Masterみたいなやつが業界で彼女作れる(しかも超可愛い子と)なら、結婚詐欺師すら魅了したGeroは絶対イケるやろ。Geroの仕事への誠実さと周りへの想いって誰でも落とせるポテンシャル秘めてるわ。ワイはそう思うンゴwww2ちゃん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
Bug Master can find love in this industry It's a CRIME that we'll never get this backstory (probably)! I hope we get to see them together, if only for a few minutes!
やばくない!?Bug Masterも愛を見つけられるんだね!そのバックストーリーが見れないなんて犯罪級じゃん!せめて数分でもいいから、2人が一緒にいるところ見たいんだけど!!ギャル
cyberscythe
yeah, for some reason i'm really interested in this girl who loves the bug guy like, it could be like Ruri Rocks, but for creepy crawlies
うん、なんでかわからんけど虫好きのあの女の子にめっちゃ興味湧いてるんだよね。ルリちゃんのロック版みたいな感じで、キモい虫バージョンってとこかな。普通くん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
yeah, for some reason i'm really interested in this girl who loves the bug guy Especially given he said "She accepts him for who he is" so it's not like he's putting up a front and she likes someone he's not!
確かに、あの虫系男子に夢中な彼女にはすごく興味が湧くんだよな。特に彼が「彼女はありのままの自分を受け入れてくれる」って言ってたのがポイントで、彼が偽りの姿を見せてるわけじゃなくて、彼女は実際の彼を好きになってるってことだろ?そこに深い考察ができる。考察くん
AlexxxandreS
Bro he's holding bugs on the pic, 2 centipedes if I remember right... Clearly not putting up a front...
写真で虫持ってるのやばいな、確かムカデ2匹だったはず…明らかに見せかけじゃないね…普通くん
mmcjawa_reborn
And there are rows of arthropod cages behind them. Hell...they might have met at a bug show!
後ろに節足動物のケースがずらっと並んでるし…まじで昆虫展で出会った可能性あるじゃん!しんどすぎるッ!感情くん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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ルール読んどけや。2ちゃん
ModieOfTheEast
I just say it now. Kinosaki has more chances if he just married Gero, fakes a pregnancy and then they just adopt a child. Would definitely be the good ending. And is easier than helping Gero find a woman.
現時点で言わせてもらうと、木ノ崎がゲロと結婚して妊娠を偽装し、養子を迎える方が確実にいいエンドだと思うんだよな。ゲロに女性を紹介するよりよっぽど現実的だし、伏線としても「偽装結婚からの真実の愛」という展開が読める。制作陣の意図としては、このルートが一番幸せな着地点なんじゃないかという考察ができる。考察くん
nqtoan1994
We are talking about a clan that was going to force their female heir to have a child without her consent. And Gero said that as far as he could remember, he had already live as a Poison Master. With this much control over the siblings' lives, I don't think that plan is going to work.
確かに草。一族が跡取り娘に無理やり子供産ませようとしてたんだぜ。んでゲロは「ワイはもう毒術師として生きてきた」って言い放ったんや。兄弟の人生をここまで掌握してるなら、その計画は絶対失敗するやろなwww2ちゃん
ModieOfTheEast
We are also talking about a clan that is so old fashioned that they wouldn't even know that this was possible. Most of the issues also seem to stem from the grandmother (the parents weren't mentioned) and depending on her age, tricking her might not be too hard.
古風すぎてこんな方法があることすら知らない一族の話だよね。問題のほとんどは祖母から来てるっぽいし(両親は触れられてなかった)、年齢によっては騙すのはそんなに難しくなさそう。普通くん
chiki373
Also even if kinosaki were a women he was a swindler and a how ..so hell nooo
無理無理無理!!キノサキが女だったとしても詐欺師でしかも…どう考えても無理すぎるッ!!感情くん
ModieOfTheEast
原文
My dude, you really think the story will be about the MC meeting 100s of women through dating apps and the like until he gets someone? And not, you know, about how, while they help each other, get to know one another better and develop feelings through that? The show was fine telling the audience that the sister should be with the person she loves and not someone to get a child with. But they will not do the same for the MC?
ワイの友よ、マジでストーリーが「主人公がマッチングアプリで何百人も会ってやっと一人見つける」って展開になると思ってるんか? しかも「お互い助け合いながら仲良くなって恋に発展する」って王道ルートやなくて? 姉ちゃんには「愛する人と一緒になるべき」って言っといて、主人公には同じことやらへんの? 草2ちゃん
chiki373
They're strict not idiot they're poison master they will found out .are you idiot
「厳しいだけでバカじゃないんだよ。あの人たちは毒のプロだから、絶対にバレるって。お前バカ?」普通くん
kerorobot
It's more likely they have drugs that can genderbend Kinosaki.
草、鬼太郎の性転換薬みたいなもんか?キノサキが女体化できる薬持ってるってマジかよwww2ちゃん
BosuW
Bastards keeping the gender fluid under lock and key
えっ、まじで!?ジェンダー・フルイッドを鍵かけて閉じ込めてるとかやばくね!?ギャル
AstralPamplemousse
The final arc will be about collecting the ingredients for the mpreg poison
最終章はmpreg毒の材料集めになるんだね普通くん
chum-guzzling-shark
Bug master being slowly carried away by bugs really set the tone for this show. I'm sold
バグマスターが虫にゆっくり連れてかれるシーン、やばくね!?この作品の雰囲気ガッツリ決めてたし、まじでハマったわ〜!ギャル
NoNameSwitzerland
Spiders, centipedes and Co are no bugs or insects. So he would be better named Sensei Arthropoda.
蜘蛛やムカデは虫じゃないし昆虫でもないんだよね。だから先生アルスロポーダって呼んだ方が良かったかもな。普通くん
NoNameSwitzerland
As long as his wife is not a software developer and tries to debug him, it should be fine.
「奥さんがソフトウェアエンジニアじゃなくて、旦那をデバッグしようとしない限りは大丈夫だな」ってことか!確かにそれやられたら終わりすぎるw感情くん
MannyOmega
Holy shit, marriagetoxin anime comes out the same day as the manga? Peak
うわ、マリッジトキシンのアニメが原作と同日公開なのか。神すぎるだろ普通くん
Nachtwandler_FS
Oshi no Ko was also doing it during S2 run.
推しの子のS2でもやってたよな!あれも神すぎる…感情くん
zairaner
More importantly, it was doing it while the S1 run, so we had the S1 overlap with the main chapter adapted in the S3 finale!
やばくね!?S1放送中にやってたんだけど、S3最終話で本編の章と被ってたんだよ!まじでタイミングやばすぎじゃない?笑ギャル
sicklything
There were also Super Chainsaw Man Tuesdays! But we don't talk about Chainsaw Man.
あっ!スーパーチェンソーマン火曜日もあったんだ!でもチェンソーマンの話はしちゃダメだよね…(涙)感情くん
szalhi
Is this what they call a toxic relationship?
これが俗に言う毒関係ってやつなのかな普通くん
Frontier246
When a relationship between a cross-dressing marriage swindler and a socially awkward poison master ends up being surprisingly wholesome/supportive.
クロスドレスの結婚詐欺師とコミュ障の毒使いの関係が、まさかのほっこり・支え合い系になるのエモすぎるッ!無理、優勝!!感情くん
fortunesofshadows
its poison user. crunchyroll just fucks up the translation. the manga english calls him poison user.
確かに、Crunchyrollの翻訳がガバガバだよね。漫画の英訳では“poison user”って呼ばれてるのに。普通くん
cyberscythe
it's at least a yellow flag
少なくとも黄色信号レベルだよな…感情くん
BosuW
Not the Toxic Yuri I was expecting
思ってた毒百合とは違ったな普通くん
CluelessWitness
Is this a BL with more steps? I'm in
これBLの上位互換みたいなやつか?ワイは乗ったわwww2ちゃん
Equivalent-Weather59
The animation at the end was great. The pacing was a bit fast, but other than that, I liked this premiere. Shion Wakayama voicing my favorite crossdresser was not in my bingo card, but so far so good.
最後のアニメーションやばすぎ!神ってたッ!テンポちょい速かったけどそれ以外は最高の初回だったわ。まさかしおん・わかやまが俺の推し女装キャラの声優するとは思わなかったけど、今のところ完璧すぎる!!感情くん
Frontier246
Shion Wakayama voicing my favorite crossdresser was not in my bingo card, but so far so good. It takes someone who has voiced so many Best Girls in her career to be able to pull off a Best Girl/Best Boy in one character. Like capturing all those tone/gender changes so smoothly takes real skill.
若山詩音が俺の推し女装キャラの声を担当するとは予想外だったけど、今のところいい感じだね。彼女みたいに数々のベストガールを演じてきた実績があるからこそ、一人のキャラでベストガール兼ベストボーイを演じられるんだと思う。あの声のトーンや性別の切り替えをスムーズにこなすのは、まさに本物の技術だよ。普通くん
Shantotto11
Ayumu Murase has joined the chat
村瀬歩が参戦したンゴwww ワイの推しやんけ!2ちゃん
15000yuki
I'm still mad they didn't give any award to him for voicing Crimson! Never heard someone in this industry so fluidly change voice between male/female while still keeping tone and character.
まじでありえなくない!?クリムゾンの声優に何も賞あげないとかマジで意味わかんないんだけど笑
男声と女声をあんなスムーズに切り替えられる人、この業界で他に見たことないし!しかもキャラのトーン完璧にキープしてるし!ギャル
DazenTheMistborn
One of the major reasons I loved that show. I still think about it often.
その番組が好きだった大きな理由の一つだな。今でもよく思い出すよ。普通くん
FoxDS
Went blind and suddenly entered in BL territory?
えっ、まさか急にBL展開突入しちゃった感じ!?やばくね!?笑ギャル
zairaner
Enjoy your cake day present!
ケーキデイのお祝いありがとう!嬉しいね普通くん
chiki373
It ain't Gay
草、それな2ちゃん
g4b31981
It's a shonen though
これって少年漫画だよね普通くん
Raymond49090
I found it hilarious how they started with a zany, but vaguely believably clever, assassination method. Then immediately escalated to battle shounen where being a poison specialist means aura farming and outrunning cars on the freeway,
最初は奇抜ながらも一応説得力のある暗殺術で始まったのに、いきなり戦闘バトル漫画にエスカレートして毒の専門家がオーラを振りまいて高速道路で車を追い抜く展開になるギャップが面白すぎたんだよな。この落差、明らかに制作陣が意図的に狙ってると思う。考察くん
zairaner
Hey you are forgetting about him evading bullets in the air! ...ok maybe I see your point
空中で銃弾かわしてたの忘れてない?…いや、確かに君の言う通りかもな普通くん
Lenzky-3
I mean a dude just standing and getting carried by centipedes already should have showed you the glimpse... Dude bout to fight some unique and superhuman level assassins.
いやマジで、ただ立ってるだけでムカデに運ばれてる時点でやばいって気づくべきだよね…。これから超人級のユニークな暗殺者たちと戦うんだぜ、マジでヤバくね!?ギャル
Kronman590
Yeah im ngl if bro can do all that why spend 3 months doing it the slow way lmao
せやな、そこまでできるならなんでわざわざ3ヶ月かけて地道にやったんやろ草生えるわwww2ちゃん
Magnafeana
原文
Why is this man smoking that many cigarettes? Being someone’s furniture is a kink. What’s happening here is not that. I was absolutely WTFing about a spider being in this man’s mouth, but he has like a snake tongue and it’s that fat?! And he a thick man? With a scar?! The spider will still be a problem, but as long as Julia can be a girl’s girl and stay in her lane, I will take this man for myself. Oh he’s taken. Damn. I wish him well. She seems very sweet. Fuck moon shoes and heelies when you can have bugs transport you. We need more gas mask MCs. The Hunter Wants to Lay Low > has an ✨exquisite✨ example. And they’re wearing wedding colors too, happy Pride 🥹 I love Kinosaki already. I’d be completely fine if this was an action comedy and an MM romance was endgame but not the focus. “I will train you to find a partner”—I have seen this so many times in romances, and the trainer and the trainee end up kiss kiss falling in love. I guess we’ll see if that ever happens. I won’t hold hope for it. But if it happens, I’ll be screaming June is here 🏳️🌈 Kinosaki looks great though crossdressing! Manifesting more anime adaptations that feature crossdressing and/or GNC aesthetics 🧘🏾♀️
この男、なんであんなにタバコ吸ってるんだ?家具になるのが趣味って話じゃないよな。蜘蛛が口の中にいるの見てマジで「は?」ってなったけど、蛇みたいな舌でしかも太いし?!体格いい上に傷跡あるし?!蜘蛛はまだ気になるけど、Juliaが女の子同士でしっかりしてれば俺はこの人を取るわ。あ、もう彼女いるのか。残念。幸せになってほしい。彼女は優しそうだし。ムーンシューズやヒーリーより虫に運んでもらう方がいいよ。ガスマスク主人公増えてほしい。『The Hunter Wants to Lay Low』に✨素晴らしい✨例がある。結婚色の服着てて、Happy Pride🥹 もうKinosaki好き。アクションコメディでMMロマンスが最終的に成立しても、焦点じゃなければ全然OK。「パートナーを見つけるために鍛える」って展開、ロマンスで何度も見たけど、トレーナーとトレーニーが結局キスして恋に落ちるんだよね。それが起こるかは様子見かな。期待はしないけど、もし起きたら叫ぶわ、June is here🏳️🌈 Kinosakiの女装姿最高!もっと女装やGNC美学のアニメ化が来ますように🧘🏾♀️普通くん
Frontier246
I feel like revealing Kinosaki is a male is definitely meant to make you wonder if they're going to subvert the usual cliche of the matchmaker falling for the person they're matching up, especially when Kinosaki basically transcends gender and sexuality. (What I wouldn't give for a Cinderella Closet anime though...)
木ノ崎が男性だと明かしたのは、マッチメーカーがマッチング相手に恋するという定番のクリシェを覆す意図があるんじゃないかと感じるよ。特に木ノ崎は性別もセクシュアリティも超越してるからね。(シンデレラクローゼットのアニメ化、いくらでも出すのに…)考察くん
Magnafeana
See you with the CC adaptation, that’s tea. I’m hoping for On and Off: Work-Life Balance > to get an adaptation. It has everything I could want: Adult cast MCs are colleagues so office romance resting bitch face FMC x pretty MMC Kitty character Gender fuckery I need it to be adapted 😭
CCのアニメ化か、それ熱いね。俺は『On and Off: Work-Life Balance』のアニメ化に期待してるわ。大人キャストで同僚同士のオフィスラブ、ツンデレヒロイン×イケメン男主、猫キャラにジェンダーバランスまで詰まってて最高だから、絶対アニメ化してほしい😭普通くん
moichispa
yes yes yes
はいはいはいッ!最高すぎる!感情くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Loved this drama. I hope for an anime too
このドラマまじ好きなんだけど!アニメ化もしてほしい〜!!ギャル
DrinkGinAndKerosene
Fuck moon shoes and heelies when you can have bugs transport you. Garou was a bug master all along
バグで移動できるならムーンシューズもヒーリーもクソ食らえだな!ガロウはずっと虫マスターだったのかよッ!優勝すぎる感情くん
Magnafeana
Son 😭😭
えっマジで泣けるんだけど😭😭 やばくね!?ギャル
runevault
I doubt the MM thing can happen simply because then grandma will force his sister into being a breeder. Would be fun otherwise though I agree.
MMの展開は難しいと思うよ。だってそうなったらおばあちゃんが妹を強制的に産みの道具にしそうだしね。でもそれ以外なら確かに面白そうだとは思う。普通くん
Magnafeana
原文
I know 🥀 There just has to be a better way if biological heirs are needed! Maybe a long list relative? Sperm/egg donor with ethical surrogacy? Which I don’t think I’ve seen anime adaptations have the latter before, and I have no idea what Japan’s stance on that whole practice is, but that’d be pretty cool. Granny needs to be an ally in these trying times 🏳️🌈 (I’d lose my shit if it’s revealed Granny is also queer in some capacity too but she kinda got fucked over by all this family biological heir nonsense, and well, here we are. Make the whole family a rainbow.)
うーん、確かに生物学的後継者が必要なら、もっと良い方法があるはずだよな。遠縁の親族リストアップとか、精子・卵子提供による倫理的代理出産とかさ。後者の描写はアニメであまり見たことないけど、日本のスタンスはどうなんだろうな。でも実現したらかなりクールだと思う。こういう困難な時代こそ、おばあちゃんが味方になってほしいよな。もしおばあちゃん自身も何らかの形でクィアだったって判明したら狂喜するわ。でも彼女も家族の後継者問題に振り回されてるし、結局こうなったんだろうな。家族全体を虹色に染めようぜ。考察くん
runevault
原文
If this does turn into a BL story Granny also being gay but forced to have kids because of the times she lived in would not surprise me at all. I would not complain if it does turn into a BL story, just the entire reason he's doing this is to save his sister from being forced to break up with her GF so that would feel like a weird twist. I do think it will lead to him questioning his sexuality at points at a minimum though.
これがBL展開になったとしても、婆さんも同性愛者で時代的に子供を強制されたって設定には全然驚かんわ。BLになってもワイは文句ないけど、そもそも妹が彼女と無理やり別れさせられるのを防ぐためにやってるってのが、なんか変な展開になる気がするンゴwww。最低でも主人公が自分のセクシャリティに疑問持つ展開にはなるやろな。2ちゃん
EmpoleonNorton
原文
I would not complain if it does turn into a BL story, just the entire reason he's doing this is to save his sister from being forced to break up with her GF so that would feel like a weird twist. I mean, tearing down the whole system to be with the person you love is totally a sensical plot structure, and isn't really a weird twist. Like, clearly the grandmother is a villain of the story (you don't get to threaten a woman with forced impregnation and not be). Yes, he got pushed into it by his grandmother threatening his sister, but listen to what he actually said he wanted in the episode. He wanted a normal life and a normal relationship, he just never thought he could have that.
BL展開になっても文句はないけど、そもそも妹が彼女と無理やり別れさせられそうになってるのを救うためにやってることだから、それは変な展開に感じるかな。でも、愛する人と一緒になるためにシステム全体をぶっ壊すってのは十分筋が通ってるし、変な話でもないと思う。明らかに祖母が悪役だしね(無理やり妊娠させるとか脅す時点で悪役確定)。確かに祖母に妹を脅かされて動かされたけど、彼がその回で実際に欲しいって言ってたこと聞いてみ?普通の生活と普通の恋愛が欲しかったんだよ、ただそれが手に入ると思ってなかっただけで。普通くん
Plenty_Structure_861
A MFFFFF harem where at the end he chooses a GNC person is hardly what I'd call a BL. Have any of yall actually read or watched BL before?
え、まじでBLって言うの無理じゃない!?笑 最後にGNCな人選ぶMFFFFFハーレムって、BLとは全然違くね?みんなホントにBL読んだことあるの?やばくない?ギャル
rozzingit
The classic story route would presumably involve managing to upend the expectations in some fashion to let both siblings live their lives as they choose in peace; there's no reason why Gero couldn't figure out a way to manage the family end in the course of the story as well.
確かに王道ルートとしては、両方の兄弟がそれぞれ望む人生を平和に送れるように、何かしら予想を覆す展開になるんだろうね。物語の中でGeroが家族の問題もどうにかする方法を見つけるのは十分あり得る話だと思う。普通くん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
原文
Being someone’s furniture is a kink Some might say it's a way of life We need more gas mask MC Now THAT is a fetish One I may just so happen to share I love Kinosaki already. I’d be completely fine if this was an action comedy and an MM romance was endgame but not the focus. “I will train you to find a partner”—I have seen this so many times in romances, and the trainer and the trainee end up kiss kiss falling in love. That's how it often goes, but there may be a tiny little problem in this case... He's not looking for a partner just for fun, the ONLY reason he wants to get married is to get an heir... Something that seems very unlikely to happen with these two hah. (And if they adopt 'an heir' and pretend it's theirs, well he could've done so with a 'pretend wife' as well!)
「誰かの家具になる」って一種の性的嗜好だよな。ある意味ライフスタイルとも言える。もっと防毒マスクの主人公が見たい。あれこそフェチだ。実は俺も共感するところがある。もう木ノ崎に惚れたわ。これがアクションコメディで、BLが最終展開でも別にいい、主題じゃなければな。
「結婚相手を見つけるよう鍛える」——こういう展開、恋愛モノで何度も見てきた。指導者と教え子が結局キスして恋に落ちるパターンだ。でも今回、ちょっとした問題がある気がする…彼がパートナーを求めるのは遊びじゃない。結婚の唯一の理由は跡継ぎが欲しいから。この二人だとそれはほぼ不可能だよな(笑)。
(それに「跡継ぎ」を養子にして自分の子と偽るなら、最初から「偽装妻」でも同じことできたはずなんだが!)考察くん
EmpoleonNorton
原文
the ONLY reason he wants to get married is to get an heir I think you are missing a massive amount of the story if you think thats the case. It is the thing that pushed him, but actually pay attention to what he is saying: He wants to have a normal relationship but thinks he is incapable of having one. All that stuff about "oh its easier to be alone" is him lying to himself to not have to think too hard about what he actually wants.
彼が結婚したい唯一の理由は後継者を残すためって言うけど、それだと物語の大部分を見落としてると思うよ。きっかけは確かにそれだけど、彼の言ってることをちゃんと見てみなよ。彼は普通の関係を望んでるけど、自分には無理だと思い込んでるんだ。「一人の方が楽だ」ってのは、本当に欲しいものについて深く考えないようにするための自己欺瞞だよ。普通くん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
Oh maybe I mispoke, I'm not saying he wouldn't want that, but I meant that... Even if he does get married (with him), it doesn't solve the problem that started all this in the first place (his sister is gonna be forced into marriage)!
あー言い方悪かったわ。結婚したい気持ちはあるやろけどな…たとえ(彼と)結婚したとしても、そもそもの問題(妹が無理やり結婚させられる件)は全然解決してないって話やで2ちゃん
EmpoleonNorton
I mean, he's a badass assassin. I'm sure he could find other ways to solve that problem.
まあ彼は凄腕の殺し屋だし、他にも問題を解決する方法は見つけられると思うよ。普通くん
Magnafeana
One I may just so happen to share There are dozens of us! Dozens!!! But fr, watching { Gachiakuta }, and Enjin in his gas mask. Man’s was mighty fine and he got a collar on, we were blessed 😩🤌🏾 I’m holding out hope that there’s a long lost relative who can be the heir! Maybe there’s a poison that invents mpreg or something 😭
『ガチアクタ』の話だけど、エンジンがガスマスクつけてるシーン、あれは確かに良かった。首輪もあって、まさに神がかったビジュアルだった 😩🤌🏾
相続人が見つかる遠い親戚の伏線があるんじゃないか? もしかしたら、mpregを発明する毒とか出てくるかもな 😭
…という考察ができる。同士は数十人いるはずだ!数十人だ!!!考察くん
Fools_Requiem
Two dudes getting together would defeat the purpose of attempting to extend the bloodline and would just force the sister to end up becoming a baby factory anyway. If they go the route of the trainer and trainee getting together, they'll have to find another option. Either waiting for gram gram to croke or to kill her.
二人の男がくっついたら血筋を残す意味がなくなるし、結局妹が産む羽目になるだけだよ。師弟がくっつくルートなら別の方法を探すしかない。婆ちゃんがくたばるのを待つか、殺すかだな。普通くん
ohoni
It still makes no sense. Baby factories can have same sex partners, it's ok.
いやマジで意味わかんないんだけど!ベビーファクトリーなら同性パートナーでもいけるじゃん、全然OKだし笑ギャル
Fools_Requiem
Part of the plot involves the sister potentially being forced into marriage, and thus breaking up with her partner so she can give birth to continue the lineage. She wouldn't be allowed to be with her same sex partner.
ストーリーの一部で姉が強制的に結婚させられそうになって、相手と別れて家系を継ぐために子供産まされる展開あるらしいやん。同性のパートナーとは一緒にいられないって話や。草2ちゃん
ohoni
原文
Part of the plot involves the sister potentially being forced into marriage, and thus breaking up with her partner so she can give birth to continue the lineage. Right, I'm saying that's dumb. The goal seems to be to get her to have kids. The implication so far is that they do not care too much about the "stock" of the partner, because they seem willing to let the brother hook up with anyone he wants, so long as he produces heirs, so it's not an "arranged marriage" situation in which she must produce children by a certain person for it to "count." So if the goal is for her to produce children (however much you might disagree with that being a goal, it is one that both she and her family seem willing to accept), then there's no reason whatsoever for her to break up with her girlfriend. She can still be in a romantic relationship with her girlfriend, AND produce a child via artificial insemination (or a little elbow grease if they must keep it traditional), but there's no reason to believe that "marriage" would need to be involved, much less a dedicated male partner.
確かにその矛盾はおかしいと思う。家族が彼女に子供を産ませたいだけなら、彼女が恋人と別れる必要は全くないよね。人工授精とかで子供は作れるし、結婚する必要すらない。兄の方は誰とでもOKで自由なのに、妹だけ強制されるって変な話だな。普通くん
chiki373
I would have look forward to it if he were NoT a absolute HOE and swindler so Hell noo
まじで無理!もしコイツがクソビッチで詐欺師じゃなかったら楽しみにしてたかもだけど、そんなの絶対ないから!笑ギャル
ToastFreeGluten
Went in blind and expected some cliche romance, but Kinosaki being a guy totally caught me off guard. Very unique premise and the animation is solid. Will be following this one with great interest.
なんも知らずに見始めたら、ありきたりなラブコメかと思いきや…木ノ崎が男ってマジで草www 完全に意表突かれたわ。設定めっちゃユニークやし、作画もしっかりしてるンゴ。これはガチで追いかけるわ。2ちゃん
Liliacfury
I still ship the romance. For the record, I have no context in the mangas direction.
それでも俺はこのロマンスを推すッ!ちなみに原作の展開は全然知らんけどな!感情くん
thisisdropd
原文
Looks like a girl, sounds like a girl, acts like a girl, so Kinosaki must be a – wait, that's a guy!? Despite the boobs? Every day, Professor Oak’s getting more vindicated when he kept asking us about our gender. Meanwhile, Gero’s a highly-skilled assassin but a failure at everything else. That took some serious dedication to take months building up the taster’s immunity. Yeah, this pairing seemed like the recipe for pure chaos and I’m all here for it. Kinosaki said that he conned both genders. Does that mean that we’ll one day get to see him pull an ikemen look? That’d be a total whiplash.
見た目も声も仕草も女の子やん、ってことは木ノ崎は…ちょっと待て男!? 胸あんのに!? オーキド博士が毎回性別聞いてくるのガチで正しかったやんwww
んでゲロは超一流の殺し屋だけどそれ以外はポンコツ。毒味役の耐性作るのに何ヶ月もかけるとかガチでストイックすぎるやろ
この組み合わせ完全に混沌のレシピやん、ワイは大歓迎やで
木ノ崎が男女両方カモったって言うてたけど、いつかイケメンモードも見れるんか?そしたらマジで衝撃やな2ちゃん
Deszcz_W_Twarz
Kinosaki doesn't have female breasts. He probably uses breast forms. Not surprising, considering he's a marriage fraud.
木崎には女性の胸がないよね。たぶんパッドとか使ってるんだろうな。結婚詐欺師ってことを考えれば、まあ驚かないけど。普通くん
Frontier246
I feel like in that scene where Kinosaki flashes to being naked in bed with all that money you can see he's actually flat but I might be wrong.
あのシーン、木之崎が裸でベッドに寝っ転がって金まみれになってるところ、よく見たら実は胸がペタンコだった気がするんだけど…違ったらごめん!感情くん
EnthusiasmNo7044
You can literally see that in shower unless u mean flat down there?
それシャワーで普通に見えるやん
つーか下が平坦って意味か?草2ちゃん
Frontier246
That was after the reveal. I'm talking when he was strapped to the chair and giving Gero the sob story.
あれは正体がバレた後の話だよ。俺が言ってるのは椅子に縛られてゲロに泣き話してた時のことね。普通くん
EnthusiasmNo7044
Okay got ya. Thought you meant with gero lmao
あーなるほど、geroのことかよ草www ワイの解釈間違えてたわww2ちゃん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
原文
Kinosaki said that he conned both genders. Does that mean that we’ll one day get to see him pull an ikemen look? Ooh, good point; We've seen him 'guy mode' but it wasn't exactly "seducer" mode! Meanwhile, Gero’s a highly-skilled assassin but a failure at everything else. He was pretty smooth when he bridal-carried Kinosaki at the end! He's only a failure when he's NOT in a tense situation! That took some serious dedication to take months building up the taster’s immunity. I was talking about this in another comment, but this reminded me of a certain western book series for which many readers theorize that someone is doing precisely that to prepare for an upcoming poisoning... (I wonder how common a plot that is!)
木崎は男女両方騙したって言ってたけど、いつかイケメンモードも見れるってことかな?確かに、今まで「男モード」は見たけど「誘惑モード」じゃなかったしな。一方、下呂は超一流の暗殺者だけどそれ以外はダメダメ。でも最後に木崎をお姫様抱っこした時は結構かっこよかった!緊張してない時だけダメってことか。数ヶ月かけて毒耐性をつけるって相当な執念だよな。他のコメントでも話してたんだけど、ある海外の小説シリーズでも読者がまさに同じことを誰かがやってるんじゃないかって考察しててさ…(こういうプロットってどれくらい一般的なんだろう?)普通くん
manquistador
Princess Bride is the earliest I can think of, but I haven't really seen it utilized much.
Princess Brideが一番古い例やと思うけど、あんま使われてるの見たことないンゴwww2ちゃん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
Oh, but [Princess Bride] In this one, the guy gets the immunity himself, right? I was talking about giving someone else immunity - precisely, a poison taster - so you can then poison the other target and the poison taster will let the poison by because it doesn't affect him!
ああ、でも『プリンセス・ブライド』では主人公自身が免疫を得るんだよね?俺が言ってたのは他の誰かに免疫を与えること、つまり毒見役にね。そうすれば毒見役は毒の影響を受けないから、そのまま他のターゲットに毒を回せるってわけ!普通くん
manquistador
I don't think who is getting the immunity really matters. It is just the concept of micro-dosing a poison to gain immunity that I am thinking of.
いや、誰が免疫を得るかとか正直どーでもよくない?笑 それより「毒を微量ずつ摂取して免疫つける」って発想自体がヤバくね?まじで考えさせられるわ〜ギャル
Frontier246
Welcome back Ruka lol. Although it really does take talent (and a surprisingly slim and curvaceous body for a dude) to be able to pull off being a woman that effectively.
ルカおかえりww でもあれだけ完璧に女装できるのは才能だよね(しかも男なのに意外とスリムでスタイル良いし)普通くん
kwokinator
a surprisingly slim and curvaceous body for a dude Nah there's silicon for that. There are guys who wear fake boobs for cosplay, which would essentially be what this is anyway.
確かに男にしては細くて曲線的すぎるだろ……でもそれシリコンで再現できるし。コスプレで偽乳つける男子いるし、結局それと同じじゃん。感情くん
Ocixo
Kinosaki certainly had me wrapped around their finger too. I really didn’t expect them to be a man. I don’t get bamboozled like that very often anymore.
城崎には俺もまんまと騙されたよ。まさか男だとは思わなかった。最近ああいうのに引っかかること滅多にないんだけどな。普通くん
Liliacfury
Breasts are actually customizable lol
おっぱいカスタマイズできるの草www2ちゃん
MisoRamenSoup
Gero’s a highly-skilled assassin but a failure at everything else. Boy knows how to clean.
ゲロ、暗殺の腕は超一流なのにそれ以外はポンコツすぎない!?笑 でも掃除はできるんだよね、やばくね!?ギャル
runevault
原文
That dude is smoking a LOT of cigs at once holy shit. LOL one second dude murders someone without an ounce of remorse, the next he's so distracted watching two people kiss he slams into a vending machine. This MC is going to be fun to watch. Lesbian sister and hopeless with girls brother who are supposed to continue the bloodline. Yeah... And what the hell spider under his mask? Also scars seem common in this series. First poison boy now bug master. Oh it is a tattoo? I assume Mei is our girl. She's cute. And this is how they force the situation... I should have seen it coming but wasn't even trying to think that far ahead. And now we get the real version of Mei. Man. Our boy is a fucking monster holy shit. And this show is going to be dumb as hell but sweet at the same time if this episode is anything to go by. Seems could be a really fun ride, def want to give it at least a few more episodes but I can see it surviving cut downs. WUT. Well that was a fucking surprise. HAHAHA his pickup line. Gero is hopeless. This is going to be fun to watch develop oh my god. The music during the car scene is bumping as fuck. This anime knows exactly what it is doing and rides and dies with it. I fucking love it.
あいつ一気にめっちゃタバコ吸ってて草。1秒前まで罪悪感ゼロで人殺してたのに、次はキスシーン見て自販機にぶつかるとか笑う。この主人公、見てて楽しそうだわ。レズの姉と女に奥手な弟で血を繋げなきゃいけない家系って。それにマスクの下のクモ何なんだよ。傷跡も多いな。毒使いの次は虫使いか。あれタトゥーなのか?メイがヒロインかな、可愛い。こうやって状況を作るのか…予想できたけど深く考えてなかったわ。そして本当のメイが出てきた。マジで主人公モンスターすぎる。このアニメ、バカっぽいけど甘くもありそう。最低でもあと数話は見たい。切り抜けられるかはわからんけど。えっ。まさかの展開。HAHAHA口説き文句やばい。ゲロは絶望的だな。この展開見てくの楽しみすぎる。車のシーンの音楽めちゃくちゃノれる。このアニメは自分の方向性を完全に理解してて、それで突き進んでる。めっちゃ好き。普通くん
Fallen_Jalter
His disguise in the preview looks like Marin from dress up doll does he not?
プレビューの変装、それドレスアップドールのまりんやんけ!草2ちゃん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
100% what I was thinking when I saw it hah. Glad it's not just me!
それな、俺も見たとき全く同じこと思ったわw 俺だけじゃなくてよかった!普通くん
Lytalm
Haha this is literally what I messaged my friend after watching the episode "if you want Marin at home, please watch Marriagetoxin"
ははっ!これまさに俺が友達に送ったメッセージそのものだわ。「家でマリンを楽しみたいならMarriagetoxin観ろ」って言ったんだよな。感情くん
il-Palazzo_K
Marin-age Toxin
マリンエイジトキシンか。普通くん
HolyDragSwd2500
Spin off AU of My Dress up Darling
マリッジトキシンが『その着せ替え人形は恋をする』のスピンオフAUとか!? 激アツすぎるッ!感情くん
BosuW
My Dress up Scammer
ワイのドレスアップ詐欺師ってマジ草生えるわwww2ちゃん
Cyd_arts
Lol I kinda wanna see Marin and kinosaki hang out
笑う、マリンとキノサキが一緒にいるところ見てみたいな普通くん
RapCabral
Great, as if I didn’t like him enough, now he will be dressed looking like my favorite girl. He just can’t stop scoring points…
やばくない!?もう好きすぎるのに、今度は推しの格好になるってまじでポイント稼ぎすぎじゃね!?ギャル
corra_nema
My Chemical Romance is looking good
マイケミかっこよすぎンゴwww2ちゃん
Affectionate-Bit9034
I think you mean Bromance(?)!!!
「ブロマンスってやつだね!!!」ってことかな?普通くん
ginginbam
we'll carry on 🔥
🔥続けるで草
ワイらがやるンゴ2ちゃん
Freakjob_003
I'm late to this show, but I laughed so hard at this that I started coughing. "Assassin saves lesbian sister by partnering with cross-dressing scammer" was not on my list of peak anime plotlines, but here we find ourselves.
このアニメ見るの遅れたんだけど、このシーンで笑いすぎてむせたわ。「暗殺者が女装詐欺師と組んでレズビアンの妹を救う」なんて最高のアニメプロットのリストに入ってなかったけど、まさにここにあるね。普通くん
Shantotto11
The fuck is this gay shit?! I’m in… 👍🏾
なんだこれゲイすぎるだろッ!…でも見たい👍🏾感情くん
ErikTwice
*a guy uses carterpillars under his shoes to move\ * Typical anime *girl turns out to be a guy\ * NANI?
*靴の下に芋虫つけて移動するやつ出てきた*
*典型的なアニメ展開で女だと思ったら男だった*
*NANI?*普通くん
ZaphodBeebblebrox
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Realistic-Resolve792
I'm so happy to see how many people are loving this anime, Marriagetoxin has been my favorite manga for a long time
Marriagetoxinはずっと好きな漫画だったから、こんなに多くの人がアニメを気に入ってくれててめっちゃ嬉しいよ普通くん
g4b31981
Exactly. My favorite manga as well 😊
それな!まじで私もこの漫画が一番好きなんだけど笑ギャル
PeaceAlien
I'm watching this because it's BONES
ボーンズだから観てるんだよね普通くん
They cooked hard with this
マジでこれやばいっしょ!めっちゃ作り込んでるじゃん!ギャル
Frontier246
It's nice to see in a post-MHA world that BONES is still delivering bangers between this and Gachiakuta.
BONESまだ健在やん!MHA終わった後もガチアクタとこれでバンギャ連発してて草。ワイ嬉しいわwww2ちゃん
Sekraan
Daemons of the Shadow Realm as well
「影の領域の悪魔」もだね。普通くん
dagreenman18
Come for BONES, stay for the the greatest Harem Action series maybe of all time.
BONES目当てで来たけど、最高のハーレムアクションシリーズすぎて離れられないッ!多分歴代トップクラスだわ。感情くん