きみが死ぬまで恋をしたい

AutoLovepon
終わらない夜
シーナはミミといろいろな場所を巡りながら、彼女が楽しいと思える日々を増やしたいと思い始める。不要になったものを次の誰かへ譲る「返礼の日」の一環として地下書庫の整理をし、蘇生魔法を解く方法を探す。
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zer0number
This fucking show with its single lines that jab me right in the heart. "We'll never wear them together again." I am not sure I am going to emotionally survive till episode 8, much less through all 13.
この作品の一言が毎回心臓ぶっ刺してくるんだよな。「もう一緒に着ることはないんだね」とかさ。8話まで耐えられる気がしない。ましてや全13話とか無理だろ。ドライおじ
Niwaka_Samurai
"We'll never wear them together again." So I guessed right..kissy girl lost the girl that she kissed 💔
「もう一緒に着ることはないんだね」って…やっぱり当たってたんじゃん…キスした子に、その子がキスした子がもういないってことじゃん…まじで泣ける💔ギャル
BosuW
Incredible how much of a gutpunch a single line can pack with the proper groundwork.
たった一つのセリフが、きちんと積み重ねられた前提があればこんなにも心臓をえぐってくるんだなって驚くよ。普通くん
zer0number
原文
Bro, even with little. We saw them kissing on the stairs in one episode, and now we're hit with the grey-haired partner being dead. Even like, I think I mentioned it two episodes ago, we have Mimi, who we know at that point is their secret weapon, and they actually say to us ' SORRY IT TOOK A WHILE TO FIND ALL THE PARTS '. (Link to my comment on that...) This anime is so good, BUT it will fuck you hard in the feels.
草、階段でチューしてるの見せといて今度は灰色髪の相棒が死んでるってガチでエグいて。しかも2話前にミミが切り札って分かってたやん、そんで「部品見つけるのに時間かかったわ」って言われてさ……あの時のワイのコメント貼っとくわ。このアニメ神やけど、マジで心抉られるンゴwww2ちゃん
BosuW
I mean I consider the broader experience of daily life in the setting part of the groundwork. But yeah it's quite synergetic because the little moments and the world feed each other.
いやもう、日常の積み重ねが全部伏線になってる感覚すごくわかるッ!小さな瞬間と世界観がお互いを高め合ってて、相乗効果やばすぎる。エモい。感情くん
Killer_154
They just taunt us with depression between some chill slice of life content I cant anymore T_T This show is 90% of cute girls doing cute thing and 10% of pure depression
日常パートの間に鬱展開を挟んでくるのやめてほしい…T_T この作品、9割は可愛い女の子たちのほのぼの日常で、残り1割が純粋な鬱だよ普通くん
mmcjawa_reborn
And you know at some point that 10% is going to increase...
でしょ!?その10%っていつか絶対増えるじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル
Killer_154
My mind isnt ready for this T_T
心の準備ができてないよT_T普通くん
zer0number
Just be happy you didn't click on certain stuff in the source material thread............ (a previous one)
草、ソーススレで特定のやつクリックしなかっただけマシやと思えwww(前のスレな)2ちゃん
Shizzi
It hurt so much when i read it im glad other people talk about this one line
読んだ時めっちゃ胸に来たわ。この一言について他の人も話してくれてるのが嬉しいな。普通くん
ViraClone
Super impactful because of how understated it was
控えめだったからこそ、めちゃくちゃ刺さったんだよな…! しんどい。感情くん
Weak_Season_Of_Anime
原文
Gratitude Day? Aren't these just the possessions of all the dead students. The look on Esther's face when she gave Mimi and Sheena the matching dresses... 💀 Oh Sheena revived that plant. Healing magic is apparently rare so Sheena might become a medic like Fran and not have to go to the frontlines. The obligatory yuri bath scene, but it's cute and depressing. Should child soldiers dream of a future when they could just die tomorrow? We also managed to touch on some other philosophical stuff; individualism vs utilitarianism, teaching the value of life to someone who can't die.
感謝の日?これって、ただの死亡した生徒たちの遺品じゃないか。エスターがミミとシーナにお揃いのドレスを渡したときの表情……💀 おっと、シーナがその植物を蘇らせたな。治癒魔法はどうやら希少らしいから、シーナはフランのような衛生兵になって前線に出なくて済むかもしれない。定番の百合風呂シーンだが、可愛くて同時に切ない。明日死ぬかもしれない子ども兵士に、未来を夢見る資格はあるのか? 個人主義対功利主義、死ねない者に命の尊さを教えること——他の哲学的なテーマにも触れていたな。考察くん
JimmyCWL
We also managed to touch on some other philosophical stuff; individualism vs utilitarianism, teaching the value of life to someone who can't die. The surprising part was finding out that they taught the kids even that much.
我々はまた、個人主義と功利主義、死ねぬ者に命の価値を教えることなど、他の哲学的題材にも触れることができたのだ。驚くべきは、彼らが子供たちにそこまで教え込んでいたという事実を見出したことだ。中二病
extralie
From what it looks like, the teachers seems to genuinely care about the students, but this child soldier school was probably founded by the government, so they don't have much of a choice in the matter.
状況を見る限り、教師たちは生徒を心から気にかけているように見える。だが、この子ども兵士養成学校はおそらく政府が設立したもので、彼らには選択の余地がなかった、という考察ができる。考察くん
JimmyCWL
so they don't have much of a choice in the matter. You'd think they'd be indoctrinating the kids to think, "they're the enemy not people." Yet, Sheena understands that wanton killing is wrong and that every life has value. Why would they teach their child soldiers this?
つまり、彼らには選択の余地があまりないってことだね。子供たちに「彼らは敵であって、人間じゃない」って洗脳すると思うでしょ?でもシーナは、無差別な殺戮が間違いで、すべての命に価値があることを理解してる。なぜ彼らは幼い兵士たちにこんなことを教えるんだろう?普通くん
extralie
Because like I said, the teachers do seem to care about them to some extent, and probably can't bring themselves to just turn them into a mindless child soldiers. Also, the kids in this school are orphans, so some of them probably already have the concept of right and wrong before coming here.
せやな、教師らも多少は生徒のこと気にかけてるみたいやし、無理やり機械みたいな兵士にすることはできへんやろな。それにこの学校の子ら全員孤児やから、来る前から善悪の概念ぐらいは持っとる子もおるやろうしな。2ちゃん
AceSoldia
Kissing girls partner definitely died didn't she? 😭
キスした相手の女の子、絶対死んだよな…😭ドライおじ
extralie
You don't know that, maybe they just broke up and will get back together later huff hopium
まだわかんないだろ!!もしかしたら別れただけかもしんないし、またくっつくかもしれないじゃん!!ハッフ、ホープを吸い込む……ッ!感情くん
zairaner
They are currently being long distance roommates. Both sleeping in their own bed.
今は遠距離ルームメイト状態だね。それぞれ自分のベッドで寝てるんだ。普通くん
gnome-cop
Hmmm, maybe the power of Hibiki Symphogear is enough to undoom the characters from the narrative.
んー、ひびきのシンフォギアの力なら、作中のキャラたちを絶望から救えるかもじゃね?まじありえそうだけど!ギャル
AceSoldia
Lmao her symphogeaer is all powerful
彼女のシンフォギア装者、マジで無双してるわ普通くん
extralie
原文
Just accept your fate as Mimi's housewifemom, Sheena... I said it before, but this show is masterful at making scenes that will be otherwise cute be sad. Oh, hey! It's the girl from episode 1! ...without her girlfriend... and is being ominous... Going by this scene, I'm going to assume that she is one of the rare people that have healing magic aptitude. la creatura... I joked about it, but this does feel like someone saying goodbye to their partner before they go to war...
シーナよ、ミミの専業主婦的母親としての運命を受け入れろ……以前も言ったが、この作品は可愛いシーンを悲しく見せるのが本当に巧い。あっ、1話のあの子だ!……彼女の恋人なしで……不穏な空気を漂わせてる。この場面を見る限り、彼女は希少な治癒魔法適性者の一人だと推測できる。ラ・クレアトゥーラ……冗談で言ったけど、これは本当に戦場へ赴く前のパートナーへの別れの挨拶のように感じられるな。考察くん
Significant_Glass_50
I joked about it, but this does feel like someone saying goodbye to their partner before they go to war... If Mimi wasn't explicitly immortal, I would have thought this is the last time we'll see her
拙者、冗談めかして申したが、これはまさに戦に赴く前の夫婦の別れの場面のようでござるな…ミミが明らかに不死でなければ、これが彼女との最後の対面かと思うてしまい申した。武士
master_inho
原文
Technically, if there isn't someone to gather up all her body parts, could she still come back? What we've seen of her healing factor is that as long as her body parts are still together she can reattach them. But can she regrow entire limbs? Or even regrow a whole body from a drop of blood? There are levels to a healing factor and we haven't yet seen the fullest extent of mimi's immortality/healing factor
技術的に言えば、彼女の体のパーツを集める人がいなければ、復活できるのか?これまで見た治癒因子は、体のパーツが揃っていれば再接合できるってだけだよな。でも、四肢を丸ごと再生できるのか?血の一滴から全身を再生できるのか?治癒因子にもレベルがあるし、ミミの不死性・治癒因子の限界はまだ見せられてないと思う普通くん
extralie
I think that was more to hide it from the enemies. since Mimi healed instantly as soon as Fran told her to do so instead of healing in the bag.
てかさ、あれって敵に隠すためだったんじゃない?フランが言ったらミミちゃん即回復してたし、袋の中では回復しなかったじゃん?ギャル
master_inho
So even when she's a bunch of body parts ahe can still hear and respond 🤔 and it doesn't answer the question of whether mimi can only reattach her body parts or if she can regrow them from scratch
バラバラの体になっても聞こえて反応できるのかよ🤔しかもミミって体のパーツをくっつけられるだけなのか、ゼロから再生できるのかって疑問も解決されてないし…気になりすぎる!感情くん
StylizedPenguin
Mimi could regrow Sheena's arm, so I imagine she'd probably be able to regrow her own.
ミミはシーナの腕を再生できたのだ。されば、己の腕すらも再生せしめることなど容易いことよ……我が目はそう告げておる。中二病
Jacob-C
la creatura... The art style in that shot gave me such tonal whiplash lol. And I don’t mean that in a negative way. It really fits Mimi’s gremlin energy.
あのカットの画風ガチでトーン違いすぎて草www 悪い意味ちゃうで。ミミのグレムリン感にめっちゃハマっとるやん。2ちゃん
ViraClone
The girl from episode 1 without her girlfriend hit me so much harder for how understated it was when she said something like "after all we'll never wear them together again". That it seems like she doesn't even know she's allowed to be sad about it (unlike Sheena in ep1 who couldn't help it).
第1話の彼女がいない時のあの子のシーン、めちゃくちゃ刺さった。「もう一緒に着ることはないんだね」って淡々と言うのが逆に辛くて。彼女自身、悲しんでいいって気づいてない感じがするんだよね(第1話のシーナみたいに感情を抑えられないのとは対照的に)。普通くん
PencilgonGiveIt2Ya
Mimi: Do it more. More. MOOOOORRRREEEE ༼;´༎ຶ ۝ ༎ຶ༽
ミミ「もっとやれ。もっと。もっとォォォォ!! ༼;´༎ຶ ۝ ༎ຶ༽」 草ァ!ミミちゃんガチで壊れてるやんwww2ちゃん
Ocixo
I got a strong feeling that Mimi purposely made a mess of things in the library. Mimi was a bit jealous, I think. She didn’t like that Sheena was offering her help to someone else (i.e. Haru) and tried to direct Sheena’s attention back to herself. Rather successfully, frankly.
ミミがわざと図書室でめちゃくちゃしたんじゃないかなって強く感じた。ミミはちょっと嫉妬してたんだと思う。シーナが他の人(つまりハル)に手を貸してるのが気に入らなくて、シーナの注意を自分に戻そうとしてたんだよね。正直、結構うまくいってたと思う。普通くん
qscdefb
Now the question is does Mimi herself know that? Seeing how innocent she looks like, it’d be fun to see Mimi slowly show her feelings in her actions, then gradually realising it
ふむ、されど問題はミミ自身がそれに気づいておるかどうかでござるな。あの無垢な面差しを見るに、ミミが徐々に行動で想いを示し、やがて自覚する様を眺めるのは、実に愉快でござろうな。武士
Jacob-C
Mimi was a bit jealous, I think Good catch, I didn’t even think of that. I just chalked it up to her being ditzy and clumsy and didn’t think much more of it.
ミミはちょっと嫉妬してたんだね。鋭いな、そこまで考えてなかったわ。ただおっちょこちょいでドジなだけだと思って、深く考えてなかった。普通くん
UsaraDark2014
原文
I don't think she knew it was jealousy. Honestly, there's a LOT she doesn't know, I think her interaction here with Sheena definite shows. She's processing jealousy, physical comfort, and who knows what. Her face is expressionless because she kind of just doesn't know how what she's feeling, it's all a surprise to her. I'm pretty sure her expressionless during some interactions is in a ways tied to psychology and trauma. I would love to see Psyculturists cover this show and more about Mimi and the physical tells of her. You see a lot of her played for comedy, but I think deeper down, if you know what you look for (a professional psychologist), you'll see a whole shit load of trauma.
彼女がそれを嫉妬だと自覚していたとは思えないな。実際、彼女が知らないことはかなり多い。シーナとのこのやり取りを見れば明らかだ。彼女は嫉妬や身体的な安らぎ、そして何が何だか分からない感情を処理している最中なんだろう。表情が無になるのは、自分が何を感じているのか理解できず、全てが彼女にとって驚きだからだ。一部のやり取りでの無表情は、心理やトラウマと深く結びついていると思われる。精神科医がこの作品を取り上げて、ミミの身体的な仕草についてもっと分析してほしいな。彼女の多くはコメディとして描かれているが、専門家の目で見れば、そこには大量のトラウマが見えてくるはずだ。考察くん
Armdel
hinting special healing powers for Sheena? green sparks when she rubbed Mimi's head and again after she touched the plant which then sprouted a flower Also this makes me wonder what would happen if they actually found a way to break the curse? i'm guessing being in this state for so long would not come without consequences
シーナに特別な治癒能力の伏線があるってこと?ミミの頭を撫でた時と、植物に触れた後に花が咲いた時、緑の火花が出てたもんな。それに、実際に呪いを解く方法が見つかったらどうなるんだろう?長い間この状態だったら、何か代償があるんじゃないかなって思うけど。普通くん
Ocixo
Was it simply healing magic, though? A part of me suspects that the plant might’ve already died but Sheena actually managed to resurrect it.
いやいや、ただの回復魔法だったのか?でも正直、あの植物はもう枯れてたんじゃないかって気がしてるんだよな…シーナが実は復活させたんじゃないかって疑ってるんだ。マジでそれエモすぎるだろ!感情くん
shewy92
You wouldn't need resurrection magic for a book falling on your head. And since Mimi is already dead there's no reason for it to interact with Mimi. But if she was hurt then healing magic makes sense.
ていうか本が落ちてくる程度なら復活魔法いらなくない?それにミミはもう死んでるし、魔法が反応する理由ないじゃん。でももし怪我してたら回復魔法はありえるかもね!ギャル
dinliner08
Also this makes me wonder what would happen if they actually found a way to break the curse? i'm guessing being in this state for so long would not come without consequences seeing how Mimi was resurrected from dead instead of being turned immortal when she was still alive means that breaking the curse will just turned her back into corpse
これ見てると、もし本当に呪いを解く方法が見つかったらどうなるんだろうって思うよ。長い間この状態だったら、何か代償があるんじゃないかな。ミミが生きてるうちに不死身にされたんじゃなくて、死体から蘇ったってことは、呪いを解いたらまた死体に戻るだけってことだよね。普通くん
BosuW
However with it being ambiguous if the plant that Sheena took in was truly alive or not, maybe they're building up to Sheena's magic being capable of at least circumventing this one hurdle.
シーナが引き取った植物が本当に生きてたのか曖昧やし、もしかしたらシーナの魔法がこの壁だけは回避できるって伏線なんかもな。2ちゃん
Seven-Tense
Thank god I wasn't the only one thinking of this! I was low-key losing my mind when Sheena started researching things. The first thought on my mind was literally "girl, what if that puts her back to being dead??"
シーナが調査を始めた時、実は俺も同じことを考えてたんだよな。まさか一人だけじゃなかったとは安心したわ。「それやったら死んだ状態に戻るんじゃないか?」って本気で頭をよぎったからな。この展開、伏線の可能性が高いと思われる。考察くん
FallenPears
原文
I'm pretty sure we actually saw hints of Sheena magic around plants as early as episode 1 or 2, though it was very vague then. This seems to be definite confirmation that her magic isn't as straightforward or weak as Sheena believes. I'm wondering if it will be discovered and as she (and others) discover her potential she'll be forced or prepared to be another weapon alongside Mimi, though I'm also not sure if that fits the stories themes so far...
1話か2話の時点でシーナの植物系の魔法のヒントは確かにあったと思うけど、当時は曖昧だったね。今回ので彼女の魔法が彼女が思うほど単純でも弱くもないって明確に確認できた感じだ。これからその潜在能力が発見されて、ミミと並ぶもう一つの武器として扱われる流れになるのかなって気になるけど、物語のテーマに合うかはまだわからないな。普通くん
ViraClone
Yeah the title feels more like "dying day" is almost like graduation day or something - the day Mimi gets the curse broken fully accepting her death as the consequence and Sheena choosing to love her while accepting that choice. You know, something incredibly tragic and heart breaking.
タイトル的には「死ぬ日」がまるで卒業式みたいなもんやんな……ミミが呪いを完全に解く日=死を受け入れる日、そしてシーナがその選択ごと愛することを選ぶ日。せやな、もうめちゃくちゃ悲劇的で胸クソ悪くなるほど切ないンゴwww2ちゃん
Hitman7128
Mimi: "It's the kissy girl!" LOL Also, obligatory yuri bath/shower scene, hooray!
「ちゅーしちゃう子じゃん!」www 定番の百合風呂シーンも来ちゃったし、やばくね!?最高!ギャル
Alej_11
First time where in a shower scene there is no fan service, but it's probably the most interesting scene in the episode, where sheena questions the values of the system. This is really an hidden gem, the yuri is just an extra
シャワーシーンでファンサービスが一切ないのは初めてだな。でも、おそらく今エピソードで最も興味深い場面だった。シーナがシステムの価値観に疑問を投げかけるシーンってのが、この作品の本質を表してると思うんだよ。まさに隠れた名作だな。百合要素はあくまで追加要素に過ぎないという考察ができる。考察くん
Jacob-C
原文
This is really an hidden gem, the yuri is just an extra I’m not so into yuri that I will watch something specifically because of the tag, but if the story is good, I will watch pretty much anything. This story instantly hooked me with its very dark tone and setting. All the cute and fluffy stuff adds so much contrast to the reality they are living in. It builds up this sense of dread that something really bad is going to happen to break up the happy moments. I always welcome stories that have the potential to emotionally wreck me, and I knew from the first episode that this was one of them. where sheena questions the values of the system. I really liked that. Not only is the setting dark and grim, but the writing is really good too. Mimi is such a carefree person, and while Sheena wants to protect that, she is visibly uncomfortable with Mimi being able to kill loads of people without a shred of empathy. However, as Fran was alluding to, if Mimi isn’t a killing machine, the other students would need to participate more in the war. The inner conflict within Sheena, between what she wants for Mimi and what she wants for herself and the other students, is really well done.
これは本当に隠れた名作だね。百合はおまけみたいなもので、自分は百合が好きだからってだけで見るわけじゃないけど、ストーリーが良ければ何でも見るタイプ。この作品は暗いトーンと設定で一瞬で引き込まれたよ。可愛くてほのぼのした要素が、彼女たちの生きる現実とのコントラストを際立たせてて、幸せな瞬間を壊すような悪い予感をずっと感じさせるんだ。感情を揺さぶられる作品はいつでも歓迎で、第一話からこれだって分かってた。 シーナがシステムの価値観に疑問を持つ場面も良かった。設定が暗いだけでなく、脚本も本当に上手い。ミミは自由奔放な性格で、シーナはそれを守りたいと思いつつも、ミミが罪悪感なく大勢を殺せることに明らかに戸惑ってる。でもフランが言ってた通り、ミミが殺戮マシンでなくなれば、他の生徒が戦争にもっと参加しなきゃいけなくなる。シーナの内面の葛藤——ミミへの想いと自分や他の生徒への想いの間で揺れる感じが、すごく丁寧に描かれてると思う。普通くん
Alej_11
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I think exactly the same thing. I'm into Yuri, because usually a Yuri romance is able to be more entertaining than the average romance, sadly in this period romance is getting more and more similar to isekai slop, but ofc there are always good anime. I saw a comment on My Anime List saying that this anime was terrible because the two main characters are childrens having strong romantical and sexual tension, and that there was no need to set everything in an orphanage and it would have been better if the character were adult. And also that healing with kissing was completely outrageous because the characters are minors, so it's no appropriate. First of all if you think that the relationship between Mimi and Sheena has much sexual tension you're the strange one, because nobody except you find it that way. Plus if the characters weren't 14 years old all of the interactions wouldn't make sense. The anime works because the characters are just children experiencing the horrors of the war, it wouldn't be half as tragic if it wasn't. I also made an interesting theory in another comment yesterday: My theory? Mimi will do the same spell her mom did to her to save sheena's life, effectively passing the curse to her, and returning mortal. And so the two live togheter until mimi's death, so "Till Your Dying Day". Call me crazy, but this is the only solution that would make sense to "erase" the curse, and it's hinted multiple times already because Sheena was asked more than once "Would you take mimi's responsibility and go to war insted?".
ワイも全く同じこと思てたわ。百合って普通のラブより面白いことが多いんよな。最近のラブアニメは異世界クソみたいなやつ増えて悲しいけど、ちゃんと良いのもあるしな。 MALで「このアニメはガキが性的な雰囲気出しててキモい、孤児院設定も不要、大人にすべき」ってコメント見たけど、ミミとシーナの関係に性的緊張感じるってお前がおかしいわ。誰もそんな風に見てへんぞ。 しかも14歳じゃなかったら全部意味なくなるやん。戦争の恐怖を体験する子供たちだからこそ成立する話やし、その設定なかったら悲劇性も半減やろ。 ワイの理論はこれや:ミミが母が自分にやった呪いをシーナに移して自分は死すべき存在に戻る。そんで2人でミミが死ぬまで一緒に暮らす「きみが死ぬまで」。呪いを消す唯一の筋道やし、「ミミの責任を背負って戦争に行くか?」って何度も聞かれてる伏線もあるやろ。ワイ頭おかしいかもしれんけど、これしか辻褄合わんと思うンゴwww2ちゃん
Jacob-C
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My theory? Mimi will do the same spell her mom did to her to save sheena's life, effectively passing the curse to her, and returning mortal. And so the two live togheter until mimi's death, so "Till Your Dying Day". Yeah that is similar to my theory. My theory is that Mimi will use resurrection on Sheena in the end of the series, but Mimi will die right away. "Till Your Dying Day" is until the sad finale.
俺の予想だと、ミミが母親が自分にしたのと同じ魔法をシーナを救うために使って、呪いを自分に移して人間に戻るんだと思う。それで二人はミミが死ぬまで一緒に暮らすから「きみが死ぬまで」ってタイトルになる。うん、俺の説も似てるな。シリーズ終盤でミミがシーナを蘇生させるけど、ミミはすぐ死ぬって展開だと思う。「きみが死ぬまで」ってタイトルは悲しい最終回を指してるんだろうな。普通くん
Alej_11
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What you said makes more sense, I agree, a comment pointed out this in one of my previous comments. But I think that exchanging immortality for saving a life is pratically the same as exchanging her own life (I'm using a very fullmetal alchemist logic here, but it kinda makes sense). Also this is a fictional story, so I think that it would be more romantic and poetic if she actually died after living the rest of his life with sheena
君の言ってることは理にかなってるし、同意するよ。前のコメントでも誰かが同じ指摘してたけどな。ただ、不老不死と命を引き換えにするのは、実質自分の命を捧げるのと同じだと思うんだ(鋼の錬金術師のロジックを借りてるけど、まあ理屈は通ってるだろ)。それに、これはフィクションの物語だからな、シーナと残りの人生を共に過ごした後に彼女が本当に死ぬ方が、よりロマンチックで詩的な展開になるんじゃないかという考察ができる。考察くん
Jacob-C
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With the underlying tone and themes of the story, I think a bittersweet ending is more likely. But maybe I’m just too conditioned by tearjerker anime, and this will subvert my expectations. However, I do also think that it would be very meaningful from a writing perspective if the immortal killing machine sacrificed her life for the girl with what seems to be healing magic, and empathy for everyone, including their enemies. Then again, that could also be my love for tearjerker anime speaking.
物語の根底にあるトーンやテーマを考えると、甘く切ない結末になる可能性が高いと思う。でも、ただ泣けるアニメに慣れすぎてるだけかもしれないし、期待を裏切られるかも。ただ、不死の殺戮マシーンが、敵にも共感する癒やしの魔法を持つ少女のために命を捧げる展開は、書き手としてすごく意味があると思う。とはいえ、それも泣けるアニメ好きの願望かもしれないけどね。普通くん
o_woorrm
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This discussion just reminded me of a really horrifying thought: if ressurected people can ressurect others but die instantly for it, what would happen after Mimi tries to revive Sheena? It's possible that Sheena could revive Mimi again, but at the cost of being dead herself. That would mean they're both cursed with immortality, except they can't even be alive alongside the other because they'll be dead after using ressurection magic. There could be an endless loop of them dying and reviving each other, yet never being able to be with each other because for one to live, the other has to be dead. I think that would be the most tragic outcome I can think of...
これ思い出しただけでガチでゾッとするンゴ……もし復活魔法使える奴が他人蘇生したら自分即死するなら、ミミがシーナ蘇生した後どうなるんや?シーナがミミをまた蘇生するかもしれんけど、その代わり自分は死ぬやん。つまり二人とも不死の呪いにかかるってことやろ?でも片方が生きるためにはもう片方が死ななあかんから、永遠に一緒にいられないんや。蘇生し合う無限ループに陥って、結局二人は決して共に生きられへん……ワイ的にはこれが最悪の悲劇やと思うわ……2ちゃん
Alej_11
I think that Sheena would let Mimi die in peace without trying to revive her. Mimi lived for so long, in episode three we discovered that she thinks that cursing a person to live forever is extremely immoral, so she would probably take the burden on herself to finally dive Mimi a peaceful death.
シーナはミミを蘇らせようとせず、安らかに死なせると思う。ミミは長く生きすぎたし、第3話で「人を永遠に生かすのは極めて不道徳だ」って考えてたのがわかったから、シーナは自分がその重荷を背負って、ミミにようやく平和な死を与えるだろうね。普通くん
shewy92
I wouldn't call this a hidden gem since it seems to be pretty popular.
いやこれ隠れた名作とかじゃなくね?めっちゃ人気じゃん!笑ギャル
zairaner
A third yuri bath scene around a pink haired mc has hit 2026. Luckily hitman is an responsible adult that will not abuse this power
2026年、ピンク髪の主人公が登場する3度目の百合風呂シーンが来たか。幸い、ヒットマンは責任ある大人だから、この権力を悪用しないだろうな。普通くん
Hitman7128
Luckily hitman is an responsible adult that will not abuse this power Ouch, getting called out like that.
ラッキーなことにヒットマンは責任ある大人だから、この力は乱用しないだろう……って、痛すぎる。あれで痛いところ突かれたわ。感情くん
CitronClassic672
What were the other two?
他に2つは何だったんだ?普通くん
zairaner
Renako from the watanare special and botan from kamiina botan. Technically I probably should have said "a yuri bath scene from a third different yuri series" since I guess botan had at least two such scenes...
ワタナレ特別編のレナコと、カミイナボタンのボタンだな。厳密に言えば「別の3作目の百合シリーズの百合風呂シーン」と言うべきだったかもしれない。ボタンは少なくとも2回はそういうシーンがあったからな。考察くん
CitronClassic672
Oh I forgot Watanare also technically aired this year too.
あ、ワタナレも今年放送されたんだったわ、忘れてた。普通くん
zairaner
Yeah technically it actually aired in the last hours of 2025 (at least where I live), but it still is 2026 for me because that's when I watched it.
いやマジで2025年の最後の数時間に放送されたんだけど(少なくとも俺の地域では)、でも俺にとっては2026年だわ。だって観たのはその時だからな!感情くん
SharpIntroduction476
Not sure botan counts as yuri
ボタンは百合に入るんか?微妙やろwww2ちゃん
extralie
It is.
そうだね。普通くん
SharpIntroduction476
Ah cool I had dropped it because it had mostly appeared to be about rich college women queerbaiting
あーなるほど!最初は金持ちの大学生女子が百合百合してるだけに見えて切っちゃったんだ〜!確かにそれはわかるかも笑ギャル
Niwaka_Samurai
Did the kissy girl lose the one that she kissed ? 'cause she said that she and the other girl won't be able to wear them together anymore
キスした子、キスした相手を失っちゃったの?だって「もう一緒に着られない」って言ってたし……それってつまり……泣けるッ!無理すぎる!感情くん
qscdefb
Probably
多分ね。ギャル
Worldly-Cherry9631
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That gratitudation day is grim, my smile dropped so hard when I realised that probably most items there to take were from roommates who hadn't returned from the battlefield.. The blending of cute × grim, contrasting and juxtaposing it, is done excellently. So far I'm enjoying the way it handles violence and the nuanced (lack off) glorification there off, but we'll have to see and wait if it turns out anyway as modern Japanese militaristic propaganda. Even if it were, the yuri is good. That water crown is adorable.
卒業式の日は辛いな。あの場に並んでる荷物のほとんどが、戦場から帰らなかったルームメイトのものだって気づいた時、笑顔が一気に引っ込んだよ。可愛い×陰鬱の対比と併置が本当に上手い。今のところ暴力の扱い方と、それへの美化が微妙に避けられてる描き方は楽しめてるけど、現代日本の軍国主義プロパガンダに堕ちるかはまだ分からないな。仮にそうなっても百合は良い。あの水の冠、めちゃ可愛い。普通くん
LeonKevlar
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Is the blondie tallying scores from the exam a boy? Well, uh, that's unexpected. I know there are boys in this orphanage/magic academy, but I did not expect any of them actually to be relevant. And since Haru has been named , it looks like we're gonna see more of him later. I don't know how the Yuri Purists will feel about this. 😆 I didn't think we'd see kissy girl from Episode 1 again. That scene went from really cute to immediately depressing. The fact that she's giving away a bunch of clothes and mentions that she'll never wear them together again probably means her partner recently died 😢 It turns out Gratitude Day is not just a day to show gratitude to the school by cleaning, but also an event where students can clean out their rooms and give away unneeded items, especially for those whose roommates have passed away. Fuuuuuck. 😢 So when Sheena touched the wilted plant , she somehow revived. I've also noticed that there were floating green sparkles when she was giving Mimi headpats earlier. I wonder if Sheena now has access to magic she didn't have after Mimi used recovery magic on her? Hmmm... Sheena and Mimi's bath scene was pretty funny. I especially loved it when Mimi styled her hair the same as Fran's 😆 As much as I think it's important for Mimi to learn that war is bad and taking the lives of other people is terrible, I feel like this is a horrible idea. With Mimi taking Sheena's words to heart , I'm worried about what's gonna happen the next time Mimi goes out into combat. >_ This is such a fucking dilemma. Fran-sensei and all of the teachers feel the same way about sending Mimi to battle. They think it's not right, but they have no other options. It's either send Mimi or drag all of the students into battle, , which would include Sheena. 😐 I do still wonder what Fran-sensei's plan is for having Mimi live with Sheena . I already mentioned this last week, but she really does seem to care about Mimi and wants her to live a normal life. That final scene... I am so fucking scared of what will happen when Mimi comes back next episode.
金髪の採点係、男だったのか。意外だな。この孤児院兼魔法学園に男子がいるのは知ってたが、まさか実際にストーリーに関わってくるとは思わなかった。ハルと名前が出た以上、今後も登場するんだろうな。百合信者たちがどう感じるかは気になるが。😆 1話のキスシーンの子が再登場するとは思わなかった。あのシーンは可愛いから一瞬で鬱展開に変わったな。大量の服を処分して「もう一緒に着ることはない」と言ってる時点で、パートナーが最近亡くなった可能性が高い😢 感謝の日がただ学校を掃除するだけの日じゃなくて、生徒が部屋を整理して不要品を譲るイベントで、特にルームメイトを失った子が対象になってるってのがな…。本当に辛い。😢 シーナが枯れた植物に触れた時、なぜか復活したんだよな。ミミを撫でてた時に緑のキラキラが浮かんでたのも気づいてた。ミミが回復魔法を使った後、シーナに新たな魔法の才能が開花したって考察もできるな。うーむ。シーナとミミの入浴シーンはかなり面白かった。特にミミがフランと同じ髪型にしたのが最高だった😆 戦争が悪で人を殺すのが酷いってミミに教えるのは重要だと思うが、これはかなり危険な選択だと思う。ミミがシーナの言葉を真に受けてるから、次の戦闘で何が起きるか心配だ。>_ これは考察くん
Myrkrvaldyr
Haru isn't wearing a skirt so likely a boy.
ハルスカート履いてへんし男やろな…2ちゃん
Accomplished_Cry1153
Haru my androgynous GOAT, I need more screentime with them
ハル、中性的で最強なんだよ!もっとスクリーンタイム欲しいんだけどマジで!笑ギャル
shewy92
The class trouble makers are boys so IDK why people are surprised by the kid being a boy.
クラスの問題児が男の子なんだから、その子が男の子ってことに驚く理由がわかんないんだけど!普通そうじゃん!感情くん
zairaner
So when Sheena touched the wilted plant, she somehow revived. I've also noticed that there were floating green sparkles when she was giving Mimi headpats earlier. There is also the episode 2 version from when mimi kissed her (possibly coloured pink then because it was caused by mimi overcharging her with magic)
シーナが枯れた植物に触れたとき、なぜか蘇らせたんだよな。あと、ミミの頭を撫でてたときにも緑の光が浮かんでたの気づいたわ。第2話でミミがキスした時も似たようなのがあったけど、あれはミミが魔力を過剰に注ぎ込んだせいでピンク色だったのかもね。普通くん
sunnydayz57
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That whole conversation with Fran-sensei honestly only made me wonder why exactly the school even exists in the first place and why they have to send children into battle? Idk if they addressed this already in a previous episode and I missed it, but it's odd that they have this school set up to train students in magic and send them into battle when we can see that the adult teachers are capable of using magic. I'm not sure if the enemy troops using magic are kids as well, but the ones we've seen so far appear to be adults. I can understand how Mimi is especially skilled but why keep sending other students to fight?
フラン先生との会話見てたらガチで疑問なんやけど、そもそも学校って何のために存在してんの?なんで子供を戦場に送る必要あんねん?前の話で説明あったんかもしらんけど見逃したわ。大人の教師が魔法使えるの見えてるのに、なんで生徒訓練して戦わせるんやろ。敵の魔法使いも子供なんか知らんけど、今見た限り大人やったし。ミミが特に優秀なのはわかるけど、なんで他の生徒も戦わせ続けるん?意味不明やわwww2ちゃん
Shinigami318
I don't know how the Yuri Purists will feel about this. 😆 I think it will be fine, it is just a simple gesture of kindness, and our couple is already established anyways. I haven't seen anyone, even among the source readers to say anything negative about this. Well, I guess unless someone try to write off Mimi and Sheena as merely "familial love" then pushes for Sheena and Haru.
ユリ純粋主義者がこれどう思うか気になるわ😆 でも大丈夫だと思うよ、ただの親切な仕草だし、カップルはもう成立してるしね。原作読んでる人含めて否定的な意見はまだ見たことないな。まあ、ミミとシーナの関係を「家族愛」って片付けてシーナ×ハルを推す人がいたら別だけどね。普通くん
gnome-cop
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I guess my takeaway from this episode is that in a strange way, Sheena is kind of privileged. She’ll of course always worry but it’s never really in doubt that Mimi will come back. She’ll never be placed in the position of being left behind because her now designated partner is an immortal. There’s of course a whole host of other issues that comes with her status but she doesn’t have to fear that sudden hollowness of being alone. Which could maybe have consequences for her in the future. Hypothetical “Why do you think you understand?! Your other half can never leave you behind!” I didn’t like the concept of Gratitude Day from the start but the reality of it’s gotten even more depressing. Pretty much just a hand me down market of the stuff left behind by everyone during the previous year. But I guess to the kids that live there, it’s the closest thing to a festive holiday they have. Like, the atmosphere is kind of colorful and cheerful but still has the sad undercurrent of the fact that they’re giving away the possessions of the departed they were closest to. I wonder how many of their personal items are these sorts of heirlooms passed down through the generations of surviving partners? For example, Esther’s shirt clearly being one of a pair and she can’t really stand to keep it without her partner around to wear the other. So it’s really just easier for her heart to hand them both off to another pair where they can still fulfill their original purpose. More depressing thoughts I guess being that every named character seems to have someone they’re really close to far beyond everyone else. I can only assume that it’s a generally accepted fact of life that they won’t make it to adulthood. It’s probably normalized for most of them to latch onto someone like their roommate to cope with their situation and get whatever taste of a “normal” relationship and emotional support they can before it’s too late. I’m really not in the mood to appreciate Mimi’s antics properly anymore but she is very cute and wholesome together with Sheena. Also take note of how casually she uses magic, even the really dangerous kinds and how easily she learns them and makes up new stuff on the fly. On the topic of magic, something happened with the plant after Sheena touched it. It seems likely that the specific kind of magic that makes things grow is her speciality. Not like that’s likely to be appreciated much in a war context. At this point I’m really buying into Fran having some sort of specific goal by incorporating Mimi into the school properly. More than just getting her adequate socialization I mean. Her discussion with Sheena feels too pointed to just be her lamenting the unfortunate realities of war.
ワイの感想やけど、シーナはある意味恵まれてるンゴね。そら心配は尽きんけど、ミミが戻ってこないって不安は絶対ないやん。パートナーが不死やから置いてきぼりにされる心配がないんや。もちろん別の問題は山ほどあるやろうけど、孤独の虚無感とは無縁や。ただこれが将来裏目に出る可能性もあるで。「お前になにがわかるんや!相棒は絶対置いてけぼりにされへんやろ!」みたいな展開とかな。 グレイトフル・デイの概念は最初から好きやなかったけど、現実はもっと鬱やわ。前年に亡くなった連中の遺品の押し付け合い市場やん。でもそこで暮らす子供らにはこれが一番お祭りっぽい行事なんやろな。雰囲気は華やかで楽しげやけど、一番近しい人の形見を手放すって悲しい底流があるんや。 エスターのシャツが明らかにペアものやったのも泣けるわ。相方がおらんと片方だけ残っても仕方ないから、二人分まとめて別のペアに譲って本来の役割を果たしてもらうのが心の安定になるんやろな。 もっと鬱な話やけど、名前付きキャラはみんな誰か特別に近い相手がおるやん。大人になるまで生きられへんって暗黙の了解なんやろな。ルームメイトとくっついて「普通の関係」の味を少しでも味わおうとするのが標準化されてるんやろうな。 ミミの奇行を素直に楽しむ気2ちゃん
CitronClassic672
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I mean a big part of Sheena’s dilemma is that she is privileged but also has a firsthand view of the suffering others have to endure to maintain her privilege. Sure she’ll never have to worry about losing Mimi nor Mimi her, but she has to constantly witness her partner fighting, killing, dying, and coming back over and over indefinitely. All that while knowing that despite how much she wants to help Mimi she isn’t physically strong enough to protect her, nor courageous enough to put her own life in danger for hers. You know the story is kind of giving me similarities to “The Ones Who walk Away From Omelas.”
シーナのジレンマの大きな部分は、彼女が特権を持ちながらも、その特権を維持するために他人が耐えている苦しみを目の当たりにしていることだよね。確かにミミを失う心配はないし、ミミも彼女を失う心配はない。でも、パートナーが戦い、殺し、死に、そして延々と繰り返し蘇るのを常に見続けなきゃいけないんだ。その間ずっと、ミミを助けたいと思っても、物理的に守れるほど強くないし、自分の命を危険にさらす勇気もないってわかってる。この物語、なんか「オメラスを捨てる人々」に似てる気がするな。普通くん
gnome-cop
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That is the crux of the issue isn’t it? Being caught between a rock and a hard place. She fears death and war, she doesn’t want her and those around her to die. But after meeting Mimi, she’s now intimately familiar with the person whose existence preserves the relative peace and safety she knows. The knowledge of her and everything she’s going through to keep them safe doesn’t allow her conscience to ignore it. But she’s also not strong enough to take her place and she certainly can’t stop the war. She’s limited to providing Mimi with these small moments and gifts of kindness and affection in between one fight and the next. I feel like that has to be a form of torture in its own right. Omelas ends with giving you the information that sometimes, some of its inhabitants leave the town behind, unable to accept the status quo. They disappear somewhere into the unknown, never to be seen again. The narrator makes a point that no one knows where they’re going and I’m equally uncertain what the equivalent of leaving Omelas is for this story.
それが問題の核心やろ。板挟み状態やん。彼女は死と戦争が怖い、自分も周りも死なせたくない。でもミミに出会って、平和と安全を守ってる存在の正体を嫌でも知ってしまった。彼女がみんなを守るためにやってること考えると、無視できへんねん。でも代わりになれるほど強くもないし、戦争を止められるわけもない。せいぜい戦いの合間にミミに小さな優しさや贈り物を届ける程度や。 それ自体が一種の拷問やと思うわ。オメラスでは現状を受け入れられず町を去る者もおるって話やけど、この物語でオメラスを去るのに相当する行動が何かは、ワイにもようわからん。2ちゃん
Nachtwandler_FS
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Also, Fran said the right things here. Unfortunatelly, wars happern constantly and someone does have to fight. At least Mimi can do it instead of them sending even more pupils to die. This actually feels a bit close home as there is war in my homecountry and one of my school frienmds already died onm the front. But I myself is not fit for fighting and best I can do is support the people back home when needed.
フランはここで正しいことを言ってたね。残念ながら戦争は絶えず起こるし、誰かが戦わなきゃいけない。少なくともミミがやることで、これ以上生徒たちを死なせずに済むならね。実はこれ、ちょっと身近に感じるんだ。僕の国でも戦争があって、学校の友達の一人がもう前線で亡くなったんだ。でも僕自身は戦うのに向いてなくて、できるのは必要な時に故郷の人々を支援することだけだよ。普通くん
zairaner
Will sheena walk away from orphalas?
シーナ、オルファスから離れちゃうのかな…気になりすぎるんだけど!?ギャル
BosuW
I don't think that's completely fair to Sheena. She has Mimi now but she does have experience losing her previous roommate to the battlefield.
シーナにそれはちょっと厳しい評価だと思う。今はミミがいるけど、彼女も昔ルームメイトを戦場で失った経験があるんだよ。普通くん
extralie
She’ll never be placed in the position of being left behind because her now designated partner is an immortal. That like... literally happened in the first episode to her. She IS privileged, but not in that way, she is privileged in the sense that she never have to fight (so far) because her magic is weak.
もう絶対に置き去りにされることはないやろ。なんせ相方が不死身やからな。第一話で実際に置き去りにされてたやん。彼女は恵まれてるけど、そういう意味じゃないねん。魔法が弱いから(今のところ)戦わんで済むって意味で恵まれてるんやろな。2ちゃん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
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DOES THIS LOOK LIKE THE FACE OF MERCY? (She should go to the next battle like that!) That's a good question! Because (for better or worse) Mimi's life is already decided for her, and she doesn't really argues any of it (until Sheena puts thoughts in her mind?) But Sheena can't fight... Does she have a plan for the future? If things get bad enough that she's forced to fight, she may not HAVE a future in the first place. Me when I clean It's so much more fun to just check out old stuff you didn't even remember you had, than to clean it! And what if it meant death for her? Does she think Mimi being dead is preferable to Mimi being forced to fight endlessly? (This might sound like a rhetorical question, but it's not; I've always been on the side of "Immortality is a curse, not a blessing", but what does Sheena believe?) And for today's episode of "My Dress Up Mass Murderer.."! Are these like... The stuff from dead soldiers? One girl said she left some stuff there, but there seems to be a lot... Is she asking the plant, or Mimi? She thinks she can bring back the plant to life/to bloom (and did) if there's even an ounce of life left... Does she think she can do the same with Mimi? And... Is there, an ounce of life somewhere in there? She's coming to her straight away now, instead of going to Fran. Will they be okay with this? She'd rather take a bath with her, than to go to Fran for the debrief and all... This may not be an issue, but what happens when someday she says "I'd rather stay with Sheena and bake cookies, than going to war?" On one hand, obviously they wouldn't be pleased by this change of heart... BUT on the other hand (something I've been saying since the start) they HAD to know it would happen someday, that she might grow closer to people, talk about how she's dead, and that someday, eventually, she may turn against war... So what's the plan then? If the answer is "They have no plan", then that's incredibly short sighted to introduce her to people like that. Unless there's some benefit to gain from this. Because of course something like that was always bound to happen at some point. Perhaps it'll happen sooner than expected, due to Sheena putting these thoughts in her mind... But they had to know it might happen SOMEDAY, no matter what. So either they're the most incompetent organization in history... OR they have a reason to believe that the benefit of having Mimi make friends, outweight the risk (inevitability) of her developing a conscience, having doubts about her mission, wanting to do things other than fighting, etc..! And yup, that's also something I've been talking about... Sure, let's give Mimi a real life (or a peaceful, lasting death?), and then... What? And then they lose 10 girls a day til the end of time? Or until their nation is completely annihilated? Sheena's an idealist, she thinks about an utopia, not reality... She dreams of a world where Mimi and all the others can just stop fighting because it's not a great life. If they stop fighting, they won't have a great life, they'll just have death. Mimi having to fight for their sake is sad, but how many girls is she willing to let die, to give Mimi a day off? Is Sheena herself willing to die, just so Mimi can rest a few minutes (pretty much all Sheena could save her)? Hah. Code word for "The 'grown ups' have to talk about you!" Taking things WHERE though? WHAT IS THE END GOAL! Damn, Sheena, I know she's immortal, but why would you give her death flags like that?
これは慈悲の顔に見えるか?(次の戦いにこんな感じで出て行くべきだ!)いい質問だね!というのも(良くも悪くも)ミミの人生はもう決まってるし、彼女はそれに異論を唱えないから(シーナが彼女の心に考えを植え付けるまでは?)でもシーナは戦えない…未来への計画はあるのか?もし状況が悪化して戦わざるを得なくなったら、そもそも未来なんてないかもしれないのに。掃除してるときの俺。覚えてなかった古いものをチェックする方が掃除よりずっと楽しいんだよな!もしそれが彼女にとって死を意味するなら?シーナはミミが死ぬ方が、無限に戦わされるよりマシだと思ってるのか?(これは修辞的な質問に聞こえるかもしれないけど、そうじゃないんだ。俺はずっと「不死は呪いであって祝福じゃない」派なんだけど、シーナはどう思ってるんだろう?)そして今日の「私の着せ替え大量殺人者」のエピソードは…!これって…死んだ兵士たちの持ち物なの?一人の女の子が何かを置いて行ったって言ってたけど、すごくたくさんあるように見える…彼女は植物に聞いてるのか、それともミミに?彼女は生命の欠片でも残ってれば植物を蘇らせられると思ってる(そして実際にやった)…同じことをミミにもできると思ってるのか?そして…そこに生命の欠片はあるのか?彼女はフランに行かず、今すぐミミのところへ直行してる。彼らはこれでいいと思ってるのか?彼女はフランの普通くん
extralie
Unless there's some benefit to gain from this. I imagine the benefit is "Mimi will fight harder now that she has something to protect", if she doesn't fight the enemy off, they eventually will get to where Sheena is after all.
まあ何かしらメリットがあるんやろな。「シーナを守るもんができたからミミがもっと頑張る」ってやつやろ。敵を倒さんと結局シーナのとこまで辿り着くわけやしな。2ちゃん
mmcjawa_reborn
I've kind of been wondering if the point of this is that Fran is grooming Sheena to be Mimi's caretaker. For all we know Fran met Mimi when she was Sheena's age. Kind of a comparable situation to let the right one in, only with an immortal soldier vs immortal vampire
フランがシーナをミミの世話係に育ててるんじゃないかってずっと思ってたんだよね。フランもシーナくらいの年齢でミミと出会ったかもしれないし。『ミストラル・ウィンド』に似た構図だけど、不死の兵士vs不死の吸血鬼ってところが違う感じかな。普通くん
qscdefb
If it’s just about Mimi being forced to fight endlessly versus Mimi being dead, it’d be one thing, but what we have here is Mimi being dead plus dozens more dying each year, so I have to admit the scales tilt towards the latter for me. Of course, even having that as a precondition, there are still things that people should try to do, attempts in improving the status quo
ミミがただ無限に戦わされるだけならまだしも、死んでる上に毎年数十人が死んでるってのはな…さすがに後者に傾くわ。もちろん前提があっても現状改善への努力はすべきやろうけどな2ちゃん
Wraithfighter
It appears that the theme for Yuri Tuesday this week is "oh right male characters can exist". 😄
今週の百合火曜日のテーマは「そういえば男キャラも存在できたんだ」って感じだね😄普通くん
BlazeBloom
Glad he was able to get his weekly two sentences in to confirm his existence.
良かった〜!彼が週2回のセリフで存在を確認できてマジで安心したわッ!感情くん
Roskal
I'm scared that Mimi is going to be captured by the enemy because she has learned they are important and so holds back from killing them. Then it could turn into a rescue mission sending even someone like Sheena in because the long term value of Mimi is too great.
ミミが敵の重要人物だと知って殺すのを躊躇うから、敵に捕まるんじゃないかと心配だ。そうなれば長期的な価値が高いから、シーナみたいな人材まで投入した救出任務に発展する可能性もある。これは今後の展開の伏線だと思われるな。考察くん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
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Then it could turn into a rescue mission sending even someone like Sheena in As tragic as it would be (I imagine many would die), it would be a learning opportunity for Sheena, about why Mimi is a 'necessary evil' and not something she should try to stop; It's war, there's no "perfect solution", there's just the bad option (Mimi fighting forever) and the REALLY bad option (all the girls getting slaughtered on a daily basis)
そうなるとシーナみたいな人まで送り込む救出任務になるかもね。悲劇的だけど(多分たくさん死ぬだろうし)、シーナにとっては学びの機会になるんだろうな。ミミが「必要な悪」であって、止めるべきものじゃないって理由を理解するためのね。戦争なんだから「完璧な解決策」なんてない。悪い選択肢(ミミが戦い続けること)と、もっと悪い選択肢(女の子たちが毎日虐殺されること)があるだけだよ。普通くん
CitronClassic672
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I felt a bit annoyed with Sheena’s conversation with Fran this episode. Like girl you were already told why Mimi fighting is the lesser evil in this scenario. Did you really have to be reminded again? Though I guess her takeaway from the previous conversation was that Mimi fight forever because she’s immortal unlike the other students, and didn’t really internalize the fact that her fighting is what takes the burden off of the other students like her who don’t have to. It’s annoying but makes sense for her character. Also, you’d think after this point Sheena would finally get it through her head, but maybe she really needs to see how awful the situation gets without Mimi to internalize it.
今回のシーナとフランとの会話には少し苛立ちを覚えたな。この状況でミミが戦うことが相対的な悪として小さい方だって、既に説明されてたはずだろ。なんでまた確認しなきゃいけないんだって感じだ。ただ、前回の会話から彼女が受け取ったのは「ミミは不死身だから他の生徒と違って永遠に戦える」って部分だけで、ミミの戦いが他の生徒たちの負担を軽減してるって本質は理解してなかったんだろうな。苛立たしいけど、彼女のキャラクターとしては筋が通ってる。それに、この時点でシーナがようやく理解するかと思いきや、やっぱりミミがいない状況がどれほど酷くなるかを直接目撃しないと内面化できないんだろうな。考察くん
Emi_Ibarazakiii
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I think it's mostly Sheena being conflicted; I talked about this in another comment, but Sheena's an idealist, she would like for this world to be an utopia. The way I said it "It's war, there's no "perfect solution", there's just the bad option (Mimi fighting forever) and the REALLY bad option (all the girls getting slaughtered on a daily basis)" I think Sheena is simply unable to accept that as "that's how it is". So even if she doesn't want the alternative (Sheena herself being sent on the frontlines) she also doesn't want Mimi to being sent. So she's looking for a solution that doesn't exist. (Well, it doesn't exist at this time , it might exist at a later point in the future... But bottom line is, she simply can't accept the status quo; In her mind, "It's bad so we have to fix it" and there's nothing else to it!)
シーナが葛藤してるのが主だと思う。別のコメントでも話したけど、シーナは理想主義者で、この世界がユートピアであってほしいって思ってるんだ。「戦争に完璧な解決策なんてない。あるのは悪い選択肢(ミミが永遠に戦い続ける)と、もっと悪い選択肢(女の子たちが毎日虐殺される)だけ」って言い方したけど、シーナは「そういうものだ」って受け入れられないんだと思う。だから、代わりの案(シーナ自身が前線に送られること)を望んでないとしても、ミミが送られるのも嫌なんだよ。彼女は存在しない解決策を探してるんだ。(今は存在しないけど、将来はあるかもしれない…でも結局、現状を受け入れられないってこと。彼女の頭の中では「悪いから直さなきゃ」ってだけで、それ以外の選択肢はないんだよ!)普通くん
JimmyCWL
Have you seen how good she is with magic? I don't think they can hold her.
彼女の魔法の腕前見たことある?あれじゃ誰も抑えられないと思うわwwwwおじ
Roskal
But if she decides not to hurt them because they are "important" too. We've seen her already get blown to pieces before if she has something holding her back it should be possible.
でも、もし彼女が「大事な存在」だから傷つけないって決めたなら、どうなるんだろうね。以前、彼女が何かに足を引っ張られてボロボロに吹き飛ばされたのを見たから、何かが彼女を抑えてるなら可能だと思うよ。普通くん
Myrkrvaldyr
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Yeah, Sheena planting that idea in her head is bound to cause major damage. There's also the possibility that instead of being captured, her holding back causes many of her comrades to die and she gets blamed for that. And Mimi in her innocence says that it was Sheena who told her all lives matter and now she's in deep trouble because she indirectly killed people by giving Mimi ideas, and if some of those dead are her classmates and people find out, now some might vent their anger on Sheena. It snowballs.
シーナがあの考えを植え付けたのがガチで致命傷になるわな。捕まる代わりに手加減して仲間が死んで、責められる可能性もある。ミミが無邪気に「シーナが命は大事って言った」って話したせいで、間接的に人死に出して深みにハマるンゴ。死者に同級生がおったら、シーナに怒りが向くかもな。雪だるま式に悪化するわ。2ちゃん
Jacob-C
Oof, I can imagine their comrades dying because of Mimi holding back, and that eating away at Sheena’s conscience. Seems like a very plausible direction for this show.
やばくね!?ミミが手加減したせいで仲間が死んじゃって、それがシーナの心を蝕んでく展開とかありえるじゃん?このアニメ、そういう方向にいく可能性まじでありそうだと思うんだけど!ギャル
zairaner
And importantly, wands is something they summon as well, so it's basically impossible to constrain a mage in this world.
重要なのは、杖も彼らが召喚するものってことだよ。つまり、この世界で魔術師を拘束するのは基本的に不可能ってわけ。普通くん
JimmyCWL
Mimi doesn't even need a wand. She was controlling that glob of water by just waving her finger around this episode.
ミミは杖すらいらねえんだよw 今週の話で指クルクル回すだけで水の塊操ってたぞ笑 まじ規格外だわwwwwwwおじ
extralie
I feel like the more likely outcome of this is Mimi realizing the weight of murdering people, and since she killed A LOT of people, end up having a mental breakdown because of it...
ミミが人を殺すことの重みに気づいて、しかもかなり多くの人を殺してきたから、そのせいで精神的に崩壊しちゃうって展開が一番あり得そうだと思う。普通くん
eightcheesepizza
Of course Gratitude Day was colored with all these themes of revival/renewal. I'll never look at a garage sale the same way again. RIP Esther's partner? We haven't met many of the older students before, so maybe this is the first time we're seeing what happens when one of a... strongly-bonded pair dies.
ガチでGratitude Dayが復活・再生テーマだらけやったの納得やわ。もうガレージセール見る目変わるわ。エスターのパートナー死亡説?今まで上の学年の生徒あんま出てきてなかったし、がっちり絆で結ばれたペアの片方が死んだ時の描写って初めて見た気がするンゴねえ…2ちゃん
Ocixo
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Poor Esther. She probably wanted to get rid of the dress because it reminded of a foregone time with her roommate/partner, but she decided to make someone else happy instead of just throwing it plain out. A part of her must’ve been a little happy that these dresses will stay together as a matching pair with Sheena and Mimi. On a different note: given how many of the 16s get called on each time, lots of the older students must be perishing in battle.
エスターが不憫だな。あのドレスは、かつてルームメイトでありパートナーだった者との過ぎ去りし日々を思い出させるから手放したかったんだろう。だが、ただ捨てるのではなく、誰かを喜ばせる道を選んだ。彼女の心のどこかでは、これらのドレスがシーナとミミのペアとして揃って保管されることに、少しばかりの喜びがあったはずだ。また別の視点で考察すると、毎回16番台が何人も呼ばれている状況を踏まえると、上級生たちは戦場で多く命を落としていると思われる。考察くん
eightcheesepizza
Yeah, and how many of the surviving older students have lost a partner that they were romantic with? How do they move on, and are they less combat efficient if they can't form another strong bond for strong healing magic?
うん、生き残った上級生のうち、恋人が亡くなった人はどれくらいいるんだろう?彼らはどうやって立ち直るんだろう?強い治癒魔法のためにもう強い絆を結べなかったら、戦闘効率が落ちるのかな?普通くん
gnome-cop
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I have a bit of a fascination with depictions of this sort of heavily bonded pairs forming in environments where they’re almost certainly temporary in fiction so this show is really right up my alley. There’s a lot of interesting layers to them. The stressful environment where threats to their lives are ever present forms such a tight bond that it would be unsustainable in the normal outside world. I imagine that it’s very common for the students to be paired up with their roommates for combat training and so they naturally grow to be extremely close to them. When you’re relying on a partner to watch your back in combat constantly, one would expect that after a while it becomes almost second nature to read them. Any mistake can have devastating consequences so with time, you just end up so in sync with said partner that you’re almost one. It’s probably incredibly easy for this partnership in combat to grow outside of it as well. When you spend so much time with someone and know them so well, a very strong emotional connection forms. And I believe that with the reality of death being so close at hand, a lot of these pairs rely on each other for support which can very easily evolve into an extremely closely bound romantic relationship. Also, with how unlikely it is to make it to adulthood, I can definitely see it being normal for strong relationships to form quickly. When any day could mean death, I imagine that it’s the norm to take the chance to experience love while you still can and that one doesn’t have the luxury to be hesitant with one’s feelings for someone. For an example we’ve seen more of, think of Ari and Seiran. You never see one without the other right next to them, their interactions both in combat and outside of it prove that they know each other extremely well and while they spend time with Sheena and Mimi, they’re clearly closest to and most comfortable with each other. I can only imagine that Esther and her partner with the white hair were similar to that. She wasn’t that close with anyone else and now that she’s gone, it’s like half of her went with her. My final point that I’m trying to make is that this environment naturally creates extremely close knit pairs that are likely to struggle more than the average person with losing their partner. The factors that make these characters stick together so much and the deliciously tragic hurt when the ephemeral nature of their bond brings it to an end is so addicting to me despite the fact that I keep hurting myself with them. (Uh, yeah, it’s late, sorry if the rant isn’t very coherent.)
ワイこの手の「絶対一時的な関係やろ」って環境で形成される超強固なペア描写にガチでハマるンゴ……この作品はどストライクやわ。ストレス環境で生死が常に隣り合わせやからこそ、外の世界じゃ維持できんくらいの絆が生まれるんやな。生徒らがルームメイトと戦闘訓練組むのは当たり前やから、自然と超接近するわな。常に背中預け合っとったら、相手の動き読むのが第二の本能になるやろ。ミスったら致命傷やから、時間経てば「もう一人」レベルにシンクロするンゴ。そら戦闘外でも絆深まるわ。死が身近やからこそ、支え合いが恋愛に発展するのも必然やし、成人まで生き残れる確率考えたら、早く恋愛するのが普通やろ。ためらいなんて贅沢やで。具体例で言うたらアリとセイランやな。常に隣におって、戦闘でも普段でもお互い完璧に分かっとる。エステルと白髪のパートナーも同じやったやろ。彼女が死んでから、エステルは半分持ってかれた感じやし。つまりこの環境は自然と超密着ペアを作り出して、パートナー失った時のダメージが通常の比やないんや。儚い絆が終わるときの切なさがたまらなくエグくて、自傷覚悟で見てまうンゴwww(深夜やし支離滅裂やったらすまん)2ちゃん
Roskal
I think the "kissy girl"'s girlfriend died, thats what I took from we will never wear them again. I guess the clothes could just be too small for them now but there's too much death in this setting for it to just be that. Witnessing them kiss is what led to Mimi and Sheena's first kiss, to have her die off screen shows the cruelty of this war.
「キスしてた子」の彼女は死んだんだと思う。「もう二度と着ない」ってセリフからそう感じたよ。単に服が小さくなっただけかもしれないけど、この世界観じゃ死が多すぎるからね。あのキスを見たからこそミミとシーナも初めてのキスをしたわけで、彼女が画面の外で死ぬってのが戦争の残酷さを表してるんだな。普通くん