+998
Cill_Bipher
So in which tier are we putting the Bookworm bread tearing on the bread animation tier list?
え、マジで本好きの下剋上のパンちぎるシーンってどのティアに入ると思う!?アニメのパン描写ランキングでさ!笑ギャル+189
H-K_47
Any show (especially fantasy/isekai) that splurge on a good bread tearing scene is elevated in my eyes. The big leagues.
ワロタw パンをちぎるシーンに金かけてるアニメは評価上がるわwww 特にファンタジー・異世界系ならな。トップ層だな草wwwおじ+98
Mr_Zaroc
Must be pretty high up, not quite ghibli level but that rebounce was really solid
あのパンの弾力ヤバすぎやろwww
ジブリには及ばんけど、リバウンドの再現度ガチで高いわ
本好きのパン引きちぎり、アニメパン界で上位確定やな2ちゃん+46
todd-ashi
Pan-tastic!
パンすげぇな!普通くん+32
Agret
Reserve judgement until the Blu-ray release in case they improve it further.
ふむ…Blu-ray版の解禁こそが真の評価の時。もし彼らがさらなる進化を遂げたなら、我が目は新たなる真理を捉えることになるのだ。中二病+26
Cill_Bipher
I think that's very unlikely as the DVD covering eps 1-3 was supposed to come out like next Wednesday.
Edit: For context it was delayed due to the AI opening.
確かにそれは厳しいかもなw
DVDが来週水曜発売予定だったし、AIオープニングで延期になったって話だしな笑wwwおじ+7
Agret
Oh wow that's a quick turn around
え、まじ!?めっちゃ早くない!?ギャル+5
seejsee
I'll await the Kyoani version, if there isn't one yet.
草、本好きのパン千切りの作画ランクとかマジで考えたこともなかったわw
まだ京アニ版が無いならそれ待ちやな。待つ価値ありそうやし。2ちゃん+11
justking1414
It gets some extra points for me because of the symmetry of commoner and noble both being wowed by it
庶民も貴族も同じように感動してるのが対称的で、そこに加点したいな。普通くん+9
ObvsThrowaway5120
Seeing how much they enjoyed the Italian place, I’m reminded of how much food sucks in this world. Dudes don’t even have fluffy bread, man. Poor bastards hahaha.
They got that monastery built but that was the easy part. The hard part’s gonna be wrangling funds from the nobles for the workshop. Even with Rozemyne’s position, it’s gonna be tough I bet. She may end up having to owe some favors..
このイタリアンレストランを彼らがどれだけ楽しんだかを見ると、この世界の食事情の悲惨さが際立つな。ふわふわのパンすらないんだぜ、可哀想にwww。修道院は建てたけど、あれはまだ序の口。これからは貴族たちから工房の資金を引き出すのが難しいフェーズだと思う。ロゼマインの立場をもってしても厳しいだろうし、結局いくつか借りを作ることになりそうだな。考察くん+140
Ocixo
I’d reckoned that magic could do a lot of things. Yet, I did not expect that the people of this world can just create entire buildings from scratch like that.
That said, it’s not free or anything either. They blew a whole bunch of gold dust on their gift to the gods. Really, just how much must the cathedral have cost!?
ふむ…魔法とは、万物を自在に操る力と聞いておったが、まさかこの世界の者たちが、無から一つの建造物を創り出せるとはな。
されど、それは決して無償の力ではない。奴らは神々への捧げ物に、夥しい黄金の塵を費やしたのだ。ならば、あの大聖堂の代価は、いったいどれほどのものだったのか…!中二病+70
namewithak
As a former catholic, the anime using the word “cathedral” for such a non-cathedral looking building will always be annoying to me lol. The interiors are so squat and plain.
確かにあの建物は大聖堂って言うには地味すぎるよね。元カトリックとしては気になっちゃうわ。内装も低くて簡素だし。普通くん+33
phycsIT
It's a fault with the English translation, not the anime. 神殿 (しんでん, shinden) is a temple, a shrine, a sanctuary... In the Italian subtitles it is translated as "tempio" (temple).
せやな、英語翻訳がクソなだけやろ。原作では「神殿(しんでん)」やし、イタリア語字幕ではちゃんと「tempio(神殿)」って訳されてるンゴ。アニメ自体の問題ちゃうわ。2ちゃん+89
Atharaphelun
原文
A "cathedral" is just a structure that contains the "cathedra" (episcopal throne) of the diocese's bishop. There are plenty of examples of cathedrals that are quite unimposing and plain, which are still regarded as cathedrals since they nevertheless contain the *cathedra* of the bishop.
That is likewise the case in this anime. There can only be one cathedral in the archduchy (the seat of the High Bishop of the archduchy of Ehrenfest), which is in the capital city of Ehrenfest. The structure that Sylvester built here in Hasse, they specifically called a monastery rather than a cathedral.
確かに「カテドラル」ってただ司教座がある建物のことだからね。実際に見た目が地味な大聖堂も結構あるし、このアニメでも同じ理屈だよ。エーレンフェストの大聖堂は首都に一つだけあって、ハッセに建てたのは修道院ってちゃんと呼んでたしな。普通くん+43
NylanBlake
Another confusing translation (though it is correct in a sense due to double meaning of the word) is Hime to Princess which in the japanese is also used for a young lady of noble birth which would be a more fitting translation here considering we are just in a duchee of a kingdom meaning she's not ascended to royality which is what princess is usually used for in english.
確かに「Cathedral」の訳し方は気になるな。同じく「Hime」と「Princess」の問題も興味深い。日本語の「姫」は貴族の娘全般を指すが、英語の「Princess」は王族限定のニュアンスが強い。本作の舞台はあくまで領地内の貴族社会だから、単に「貴族の令嬢」という意味で使われていると考察できる。翻訳の正確性と文化的な文脈のバランスが難しいところだ。考察くん+6
justking1414
Apparently that was Myne s entire budget so I’m guessing it was a decent chunk of the duchy s revenue, since the printing industry is Sylvester s primary goal right now
どうやらあれがマインの予算の全部だったみたいだから、公爵領の収入のかなりの部分だったんだろうね。今は印刷業がジルヴェスターの最優先目標だし。普通くん+24
sesaman
I wonder if Temple of the Gods from the Forgotten Realms/DnD was the inspiration?
確かに!神々の神殿っぽい雰囲気だよね。DnDの世界観に影響受けてる可能性、めっちゃありえるッ!感情くん+5
NekoCatSidhe
Given how inspired by medieval Germany the culture seems to be, they must be eating German Schwarzbrot (literally meaning Black Bread) instead. I tried that when I was in Germany and it tasted awful. No wonder they like normal fluffy bread.
確かに。中世ドイツがモデルっぽいから黒パン食べてそうだよね。俺もドイツで試したけどマズかったわ。普通のふわふわパンが恋しくなるのも分かる。普通くん+31
Sleeper2k1
for Schwarzbrot, you really have to chew each bite for longer than you would any regular white bread, as the longer you chew, the more sweet it becomes. it's also a lot more healthy, in that it has more fiber, and a greatly reduced glycemix index. if you just bite and swallow, you get like 10% of the taste.
確かに、ドイツのシュヴァルツブロートは噛むほどに甘みが増す特性がある。これはライ麦主体の製法と長期発酵によるデンプンの糖化が関係していると考えられる。繊維質の多さや低GI値も、作中の中世的な食生活を考えるとリアリティを高める要素だ。一口で飲み込むと風味の9割を逃すという指摘は、作品における食事描写の丁寧さを裏付ける考察として興味深い。考察くん+31
zechamp
> Schwarzbrot
Most fluffy breads are nowhere near as good as german rye breads.
それな。ドイツのライ麦パンはふわふわのパンよりずっと美味いと思う。普通くん+17
Specific_Frame8537
Schwartzbrot is good for you, lots of fibre, get it with some liver paté and it's amazing.
まじでそれ!シュヴァルツブロート、繊維質たっぷりで健康にいいし、レバーパテと合わせるとやばうまだよね!笑ギャル+12
cyberscythe
> Schwartzbrot is good for you, lots of fibre
maybe Myne should've sliced it thinly and used that as the basis for paper
草、マイネが紙の原料にすべきだったってかww
確かにあの黒パン硬そうやし、薄くスライスして繊維取れば紙になるンゴwww
でも領主の養女がパンから紙作るの草生えるわ2ちゃん+12
Mr_Zaroc
Schwarzbrot is awesome, Pumpernickel is on a different level though
But ask any german or austrian what they miss most while abroad and its Schwarzbrot
But a decent Semmel is also very nice
確かに、シュヴァルツブロートもいいけど、プンパーニッケルは別格だよね。でもドイツ人やオーストリア人に海外で一番恋しいものを聞くと、やっぱりシュヴァルツブロートって答えるんだよな。ちゃんとしたゼンメルも捨てがたいけど。普通くん+8
OldInstruction5368
That's a type of rye bread, right?
Rye is definitely an... acquired taste. Bitter, sour, tangy isn't how most Americans like their bread, but I've come to love it.
It's a very complicated flavor when most Americans are used to very simple, if sweet, bread. But it makes some absolutely delectable sandwiches you just can't get with white breads.
それってライ麦パンのことやろ?
確かにライ麦は…好み分かれるよな。苦いし酸っぱいし、普通のアメリカ人が好むパンの味とは真逆やけど、ワイは好きになったわ。
シンプルで甘いパンに慣れてるアメリカ人には複雑すぎる味やん。でもライ麦パンで作るサンドイッチはマジで絶品で、白パンじゃ絶対に出せん味やで。2ちゃん+5
PerfectBeige
原文
>They got that monastery built but that was the easy part. The hard part’s gonna be wrangling funds from the nobles for the workshop.
My impression was that Sylvester spent Rosemyne's funds on the monastery rather than providing his own specifically to force her into learning the politics of fundraising among nobles. If so, he's one crafty Archduke.
Also, the sheer hilarity of having his (officially) 7 year old adoptive daughter personally fund a new monastery and industry in a new town, and then making her fundraise for the rest. And then when she asks if she can help out one of her knights, he tells her to create a new fashion trend. Sylvester strikes me as one of those bosses where it's dangerous to show too much competence.
なるほど、ジルヴェスターがローゼマインの資金を修道院建設に充てさせたのは、単なるコスト削減ではなく、貴族社会での資金調達の政治を彼女に学ばせるための意図的な采配だったという考察か。もしそうなら、彼は実に狡猾な領主だと言える。
加えて、公式には7歳の養女に新都市の修道院と産業を個人資金で建設させ、その後も資金集めをさせるという構図の滑稽さよ。さらに彼女が騎士の一人を助けたいと申し出れば、新しい流行を創り出せと指示する。ジルヴェスターは、有能さを見せすぎると危険な上司の典型だな。考察くん+27
fatalystic
At least in his case he comes across as having high hopes for her and is trying to diversify her skillset, rather than purely trying to exploit her for everything she's worth.
確かに!彼の場合は純粋に利用しようとしてるわけじゃなくて、彼女に期待してスキルを伸ばそうとしてる感じがするんだよね!ギャル+15
PerfectBeige
Very true. It's a fun dynamic - left to her own devices, Myne would probably hole up in a library for most of the rest of her life and Sylvester is absolutely not going to let that happen.
確かに。面白い関係だよね。マイネをほっとけば多分一生図書館にこもるだろうけど、ジルヴェスターは絶対にそれを許さないって感じ。普通くん+7
FarCritical
Ferdinand beating the mean doctor accusations (and his justified sass) was gold lol
If they already loved the Italian bread this much, I can't wait for when Rosemyne introduces this world to pizza.
フェルディナードが嫌な医者扱いされてるのを即座に論破したの草www しかもそのツッコミが正当すぎてワロタ
イタリアンブレッドにこんなにハマってるなら、ローゼマインがピザをこの世界に紹介したときの反応が楽しみすぎるンゴwww2ちゃん+117
H-K_47
Always appreciate how she uses the ingredients available to make realistic stuff that fits the possibilities of the world instead of just magicking up Japanese cuisine. Really elevates the importance of the worldbuilding and making use of what you can get.
確かに。彼女が日本食をいきなり魔法のように再現するのではなく、その世界の可能性に合わせて現実的な料理を作る姿勢は評価できる。世界観の構築と、手に入る資源を活用する重要性を強調する素晴らしい伏線の使い方だと思う。考察くん+76
Myrkrvaldyr
Yeah, especially because in those isekai series the MC introduces fish-based dishes, typically raw and that would likely be deemed revolting by medieval people who don't live near the ocean. Japanese cuisine is tasty and all, but it's clear the authors don't think things through when introducing modern food to a medieval palate. This anime does it much better.
確かに。異世界モノだと、主人公が生魚料理を出して「中世の内陸民が食えるわけないだろ」ってツッコミたくなる展開が多いからな。日本の料理は確かに旨いが、作者が中世の味覚を考慮してないケースはよくある。このアニメはその辺、ちゃんと考えてて好感が持てる。ドライおじ+49
spubbbba
It's always slightly irritated me that every character absolutely loves Japanese food straight away in isekai.
It's understandable for peasants, but you'd think there would be at leas 1 fussy noble weirded out by something different. By all means make them the bad guy, it would just be nice for a little variety instead of rich people with an army of chefs having their minds blown by plain rice.
確かに、異世界転生もので主人公が日本食を出すと即座に全員が絶賛する展開には、少し違和感を覚えるな。農民ならまだ理解できるが、貴族の中には少なくとも1人は「これは馴染みがない」と戸惑うキャラがいてもいいはずだ。そういう奴をあえて悪役にしても面白いし、豊富な料理人を抱える富裕層がただの白米に感動するパターンより、もう少しバリエーションが欲しいという考察ができる。考察くん+33
gst4158
Didn't she do that in season 2 after joining the temple? I could have swore it was a food she tested against Noble expectations
それ、確かシーズン2で神殿に入った後じゃなかったっけ?貴族の期待に反してテストした料理だったような気がするんだけどな。普通くん+31
FarCritical
Oh yeah she did, I straight up blanked out on that
ああ、そうだったな。すっかり忘れてたわ。ドライおじ+12
abandoned_idol
I love Ferdinand so much.
His haircut and voice.
How prideful, well-mannered, and competent he is.
How he loves to cheating and stealth.
He's basically a bad guy pretending to be a good guy.
フェルディナート好きすぎるわ。髪型も声も最高。誇り高くて礼儀正しくて有能なのに、ズルとステルスが大好きなところがたまらない。要は善人ぶった悪人って感じだね。普通くん+15
cheesecakegood
原文
Pizza is amazing. However historically it's mostly a lower-class food (at least originally). Not only because tomatoes (new to Italy after trade to the Americas) are in the nightshade family and thus viewed as potentially poisonous, but it wasn't uncommon for pizzas to be either a sweeter, street food for your hands, or heavier on (especially cheap) veggies, especially for the poor. It was really only the Americans who cheesed it up and went heavier on the meat, and pioneered non-wood fired varieties, especially as the invention of the gas oven coincided nicely with GI's returning from Italy after WW2 providing a larger, eager customer base beyond Italian-Americans.
The upshot of this is that pizza is highly unlikely to be a dish for the nobility (even if they weren't suspicious of the tomato-equivalents, it's still a finger food). Also, without gas ovens, it's hard to make larger pizzas consistently at scale. Most importantly, obviously (modern) pizza is highly dependent on the taste and economics of the cheese used. And, well, tomatoes, which I gather don't actually exist in this world (they had to find a substitute). Tomatoes are pretty unique in taste: it's a rare food that has all of a moderate acidity, natural sugars, and umami taste (with aromatic compounds to boot). Let me put it this way: substitutes for tomatoes in recipes is flat out impossible, at least with a single ingredient. Closest you get is like, tomatillos or red peppers or something. Or, most likely, you 'build' the flavor profile with other things, which is going to take a lot of experimentation and at least 3 ingredients.
せやな、ピザは基本下層階級の食べ物やったんやろな。トマトが毒扱いされてた時代もあるし、チーズも肉も後からアメリカがゴテゴテ乗せただけやしな。
- 貴族の料理にはならんわな、指で食うもんやし
- ガス窯ないと大量生産も無理ゲーやし
- 何よりトマトの代わり探すのがガチで鬼門やろ
トマトの「酸味+甘み+うま味」を一発で再現できる食材なんてこの世界に存在せんのやから、最低3種類ぐらい組み合わせて実験しまくらなアカンやろな。ワイなら諦めるわwww2ちゃん+8
Sarellion
So the archduke rush bought a monastery like in a 4X game. No surprise it's expensive.
まじで領主、4Xゲームみたいに修道院を急いで買ったんだけど笑 高くなるの当然じゃん!ギャル+102
Mr_Zaroc
I mean building it the normal way cant be that much cheaper
Like material, the logistics involved and then the man power
Really hope they go into detail on how much more expensive it is
確かに。普通に建てるにしても材料費や物流、人件費考えるとそんなに変わらなさそうだよね。
具体的にどれくらい高くなるのか詳しく説明してくれると嬉しいな。普通くん+52
SmartAlec105
Damn P2W forcing people to spend gems to accelerate construction.
草w P2Wすぎて笑うわw
領主が修道院買うのに課金しないとダメとかガチャゲーかよw
ワイは無課金で地道に進めるンゴ…2ちゃん+36
cyberscythe
people who watched the broadcast on live TV had to sit through adverts too, probably to regain stamina
それな。リアルタイムで見てた人たちもCM挟んでたし、多分スタミナ回復の時間だったんだろうね。普通くん+14
abandoned_idol
Must... play... Honzuki themed 4X game...
And Honzuki themed videogames for every genre.
まじそれな!本好きの下剋上で4Xゲームとか絶対やりたくなるじゃん笑
しかも全ジャンルのゲーム化してほしすぎる~!ギャル+19
Atario
Can't wait for Pac-Myne!
パックマイン楽しみすぎるわ!普通くん+5
shad79
原文
This episode introduced a lot of new characters, the most powerful of which seems to be Rihyarda, as she even has power over Ferdinand and calls him a "bocchama," hahahaha!
The scene where Rozemyne called Ferdinand mean only to discover he had improved the taste of the medicine was hilarious, especially Ferdinand's reaction.
That monastery was built pretty quickly! It's a good thing Rozemyne was there, though I'd have loved to see how Benno and Gustav would have reacted to Sylvester (who basically ordered them to start making paper there immediately) if she wasn't there.
And as usual, the post-credits scene made me laugh out loud when Sylvester, Karstedt, and Ferdinand "argued" about where Rozemyne's chefs would live and work. It looks like evryone wants to eat Rozemyne's meals 😆
Here my screenshot albums from the episode:
* Rozemyne
* Group scenes
* Ferdinand
* Sylvester
* Others
*EDIT. I added my screenshot albums.*
今回の話、新キャラ大量投入やん。最強はリヒャルダやな、フェルディナンドすら「坊ちゃま」呼びで支配してて草www
ローゼマインがフェルディナンドを意地悪呼ばわりしたら薬の味改善しててワロタww特にフェルディナンドの反応がエグい。
修道院の建設早すぎィ!ローゼマイン居なかったらベンノとグスタフがジルヴェスターに即製紙命令されてどんな顔したか見たかったわ。
お約束のED後シーン、料理人の配置でジルヴェスター・カルステット・フェルディナンドが言い争ってて爆笑した。全員ローゼマインの飯食いたいんかww
スクショアルバム:
・ローゼマイン
・集合シーン
・フェルディナンド
・ジルヴェスター
・その他
※アルバム追加したで2ちゃん+55
Golden_Phi
That screenshot of Ferdi making the building while on the lion makes him seem biblical. Especially since he's invoking the name of a god to do it.
確かに!フェルディがライオンに乗って建物作ってるスクショ、マジで聖書のワンシーンすぎるッ!しかも神様の名前を唱えてるのがまたエモい。優勝。感情くん+17
Cill_Bipher
Personally felt this episode had noticeably better pacing and direction than the first 2 episodes.
個人的には今回のエピソード、最初の2話より明らかにテンポと演出が良くなったと思う。普通くん+60
Atharaphelun
Still weird that they barely addressed the Wilfried cliffhanger with Myne bleeding. Not even a flashback to at least show what happened immediately after.
確かに!でもヴィルフリードのあの場面、ミューネが血まみれになったクライマックスを全然掘り下げなかったのは変だよな。直後の出来事すらフラッシュバックで見せてくれないとかしんどすぎるッ!感情くん+89
H-K_47
I think we can assume she just wound up bedridden (again) and got healed with magic, while he presumably got scolded and told to apologize.
確かにウィルフリートの件はあっさりしてたね。多分マイネはまた寝込んで魔法で治されて、彼は叱られて謝らされたんだろうって感じだな。普通くん+64
Atharaphelun
And they cannot even do a quick flashback to show that? This season has truly been very weird with the pacing.
マジでそれな!前のシーンちょっとだけ映すだけでいいのにね。今シーズンのテンポ、ほんとおかしくない?やばすぎじゃね?笑ギャル+59
Golden_Phi
It seems to imply that this is there first meeting since the event (based on how awkward he seems to be in front of her). In which case he didn't really apologize at all about that.
あの出来事以来初めて会う感じっぽいよな(彼が彼女の前で気まずそうにしてるし)。つーことは、あの件についてちゃんと謝ってないってことやん。2ちゃん+6
Cill_Bipher
They do at least implicitly acknowledge that it happened in this episode unlike last episode where they xompletely ignored it.
確かに!前回は完全無視だったけど、今回はちゃんとあったって暗に認めてる感じじゃん?まあそれでもフラッシュバックくらい欲しかったけどね〜ギャル+15
SpaceMethJunkie
it was pretty clear they wanted to focus on lower city stuff in ep 2 since Myne’s family wasn’t explored much last season post adoption.
確かに、前回は完全に無視してたけど今回はちゃんと触れてたね。エピソード2では下町の話に集中したかったんだろうし、マイネの家族が養子縁組後にあまり掘り下げられてなかったからね。普通くん+6
Golden_Phi
It's because they needed to spend time to show case the bread tearing animation. Quality bread tearing scenes are critical to any good isekai plot.
それな!やっぱエピソード1・2はパンちぎりアニメに時間使う必要あったんだよ笑 クオリティ高いパンちぎりシーンって異世界転生の必須要素じゃん?ギャル+14
Himexcandy33
The kid is Rosemyne's brother now that she got adopted by the archduke
なるほど、その子はローゼマインが領主に養子入りしたことで、彼女の弟となったのでござるな。武士+13
H-K_47
That's the eldest son of the Archduke lol, no consequences for a kid like that.
あの領主の長男だもんな、ああいうガキには何の罰もないんだろうな笑普通くん+8
tripleaamin
原文
It's interesting how Myne adjusts to the nobility.
* We got more knights. I kind of wished we got more time with the Karstedt family, so the connection of Cornelius being back for Myne would be more impactful. I think Angelica is a fan favorite of the fanbase with the amount of emotes I saw on the Bookworm server.
* Ferdinand and Brigitte are both the type to refuse marriage.
* Brigitte's reason sounds very reasonable. Funny enough, her story felt like a premise of a modern villainess-adjacent LN.
* Though curious as to why Ferdinand would have no intention of getting married.
* Rihyadra looks like a fun character.
* We see the guildmaster and Frieda. It's funny how different the Guildmaster acts. I find it funny how similar Frieda and Sylvester act.
* The whole rule of no baptized children is definetly interesting. Nobility acting strict is no surprise.
* Building a monastery just like that really shows how powerful magic is in this world. It makes me wonder if we are only scratching the surface.
マイネが貴族社会に順応していく様子、面白いね。
- もっと騎士のシーンが見たかったな。コルネリウスが戻ってきた意味がもっと際立つように、カルステッド家の話を掘り下げてほしかった。アンゲリカはファンの間で人気高いみたいで、ブックワームサーバーでよくエモート見かけるよ。
- フェルディナンドとブリギッテ、どっちも結婚拒否タイプだね。
* ブリギッテの理由はすごく納得できる。面白いことに、彼女の話は現代の悪役令嬢系ライトノベルのプロットみたいだ。
* でもフェルディナンドがなんで結婚する気ないのか気になる。
- リヒャルダは楽しそうなキャラだな。
- ギルド長とフリーダが出てきたけど、ギルド長の態度が違うのが面白い。フリーダとジルヴェスターが似てるのも笑える。
- 洗礼を受けてない子はダメってルールは確かに興味深い。貴族が厳しいのは驚かないけど。
- いきなり修道院を建てちゃうのは、この世界で魔法がどれだけすごいかよくわかるな。まだ表面しか見えてない気がする。普通くん+45
OldInstruction5368
原文
> Building a monastery just like that really shows how powerful magic is in this world. It makes me wonder if we are only scratching the surface.
And we should never forget how brutally the nobles control access to magic. They go so far as to lie and claim commoners are unable to use magic while letting those that do have the gift die off as children.
Or in Freida's case, sell their bodies to nobles in exchange for the mana-leeching equipment to keep them alive.
Don't forget that. Freida is only alive because she agreed to be a brood mare for some noble. Otherwise, both she and Myne would have died out due to the "mana sickness" that nobles pretend commoners can't even get.
All while ensuring that the equipment to treat said mana sickness maintains it's ludicrously inflated price. Again, to ensure that commoners with magic die before ever realizing their gift unless they manage to sell themselves to the nobility.
Such as in Freida's case, enter into exploitative contracts just to survive. IIRC, she agreed to be a concubine in the hopes of giving that noble's family more magic-strong offspring. On a similar note, Myne was only allowed to survive by making herself useful to the nobles. For Myne, it was powering the relics in the cathedral. And that was only allowed because a bloody civil war recently thinned out the number of magic-strong nobles, starving the church of resources. That and someone influential like Ferdinand was there to vouch for her.
Otherwise, Myne would have just died. Or, like Freida, become a broodmare popping out magically inclined kids to create more 'resources' for a noble house.
Magic is powerful, and the nobles monopolize that power over a mountain of suffering, corpses, and exploitation.
Hell, Ferdinand was prepared to kill Myne early on just because she wanted to spread books throughout the world. Books, literacy, and knowledge were another avenue of power that the nobles traditionally sought to monopolize.
It was only when he used that mind-reading talisman to confirm Myne was just a 'harmless' geek that he thought to exploit her instead of eradicate Myne.
Because again, he saw giving power (knowledge/books) to the commoners as a threat to the nobility's domination over the common folk.
Do not forget that.
This entire world is built on exploitation and control. Myne is simply lucky that she is both useful enough to be exploited by the powers that be while also being considered non-threatening to the status quo. All while she had the fortune to be discovered by the more benign members of the nobility that let her negotiate better treatment for her services. If she was not useful, she would have just died like so many other children. If she was not cooperative, she would have been killed.
Think about how badly Myne's parents reacted to her being scouted by the church. Even the most basic of commoners knew that 'grey robe' was a position of slavery they'd risk Myne dying than have to suffer. She also experienced a great deal of prejudice after securing her blue robes... only to find out her parents were, if anything, under-reacting to the treatment of children in the care of the Church (locked in the dark to starve.)
Never forget the people we are dealing with now. Do not forget the systems they empower, protect, and take part in.
確かに、魔法の力が世界にどれほどの影響を与えているか、その一端を見せられたシーンだった。しかし注目すべきは、貴族階級による魔法へのアクセス管理の残酷さだ。彼らは平民が魔法を使えないと嘘をつき、魔力を持つ子供たちを死なせるか、フリーダのように身売りさせるかしか選択肢を与えていない。
フリーダは魔力を吸い取る装具と引き換えに貴族の妾となる契約を結んだから生き延びている。そうでなければマイネも彼女も「魔力病」で死んでいただろう。貴族たちはその治療装具の価格を不当に高騰させ、平民が魔力に気づく前に死ぬよう仕向けている。
マイネが助かったのは、内戦で魔力貴族が減り教会が資源不足に陥ったタイミングと、フェルディナンドという有力者が保証人になったからに過ぎない。もし役に立たなければ死んでいたし、従順でなければ殺されていた。この世界は搾取と支配で成り立っている。マイネはたまたま、現状維持に脅威を与えない有用な存在として扱われた幸運なケースなんだ。
フェルディナンドが初期にマイネを殺そうとしたのも、本や知識が平民への権力移譲につながると理解していたからだ。彼は読心の護符でマイネが「無害なマニア」だと確認して初めて、排除ではなく搾取を選んだ。この世界のシステムを決して忘れてはいけない。考察くん+24
H-K_47
Perfectly said. The relentless cruelty of this world is often overlooked just cuz of the cutesy book-focused aesthetic and wonky pacing, and since it's not super bloody or in-your-face. But the sheer oppression that permeates every level of this society is staggering. Learning about "the system" and how deeply fucked it gets is a key point of the whole story.
せやな。この世界の容赦ないクソさ、本好きの可愛い感じとテンポの悪さで見逃されがちやけど、血みどろじゃないだけでガチでやばいンゴ。社会のあらゆる階層に染み渡る抑圧の度合いが半端ないわ。「システム」の仕組みとそのヤバさを理解するのが、この物語の肝やろな。2ちゃん+12
EXusiai99
原文
>Though curious as to why Ferdinand would have no intention of getting married.
He's a priest. He would have to let go of his priesthood if he ever wish to marry, and as of now he doesn't seem to have any candidates for it.
>The whole rule of no baptized children is definetly interesting. Nobility acting strict is no surprise.
Assume it's also for the childs sake. Kids that young can be easily targeted by hostile nobles, baptized kids can at least listen to reason and be ordered to evacuate if they're being jumped. Not eating in the same table is harsh, they could've just get the kids to get some practical lessons in table etiquette within the controlled environment.
確かにフェルディナンドが結婚しない理由は納得だな。司祭なんだから結婚したら辞めないといけないし、今のところ相手もいなさそうだしね。
洗礼前の子供のルールは面白い設定だよね。貴族が厳しいのは当然として、子供を守るためってのも分かる。幼い子は敵対貴族の標的になりやすいし、洗礼受けてれば理屈で避難させられるからな。でも同席禁止は厳しすぎる気がする。管理された環境でテーブルマナーを学ばせる機会くらいあっても良かったんじゃないかな。普通くん+15
feb914
Maybe Ferdinand got tired of having too many fans. Even Elvira is one.
【返信】
フェルディナンド殿、ファンが多すぎて辟易しておるのやも知れぬ。エルヴィラ殿もその一人であるな。武士+6
majideitteru
BREAD ANIMATION SCENE
パン作りのアニメシーンすごかったな普通くん+47
Mr_Zaroc
原文
Yo wtf, building stuff like that seems like cheating
I hope they go into the details how much extra its costing to do it that way
Also what about the construction guild/workers do they just dont exist or do low level jobs?
Finally, I do love how they just showed up and disintegrated a whole area to build it. Like if someone was there they would just die I guess?
But I can see why the common peasants are accepting of the nobles, that must one hell of a thing to witness while out collecting shrooms or some shit in the woods
あれ建築チートすぎるやろwww
どんだけ金かかってるか詳細見せてほしいンゴね
つか建築ギルドとか職人らはどうなん?存在しないか下働きだけ?
最後に、いきなり現れてエリア丸ごと消し飛ばして建築始めるの草
もしその場に人がいたら即死やんけ
でも平民が貴族を受け入れる理由わかるわ
キノコ採取中にあれ見たらそら納得するわな2ちゃん+38
Al-Pharazon
>Also what about the construction guild/workers do they just dont exist or do low level jobs?
If you remember from previous seasons most of the top floors in the lower city buildings were made of wood. So you definitely need people to work on construction/repairs.
They just don't work for nobles since they live in pure ivory buildings and as you can see, these can be made with magic.
確かに。前のシーズンでも下町の建物は上層階が木造だったし、建築や修理の仕事をする人たちはちゃんと存在してるんだよね。
ただ貴族の純白の建物は魔法で作れるから、彼らは貴族向けの仕事はしてないってことだと思う。普通くん+37
H-K_47
Since that magic is expensive it's presumably just used by the Archduke for government affairs, while everything else is good ol' fashioned commoner labour.
それな!その魔法めっちゃ金かかりそうじゃん?笑
だから領主様の公務限定で、あとは全部平民の労働って感じなんじゃね?ギャル+17
mekerpan
You might want to look for more construction details on this point in the Source Corner. A full answer based on what's in the LNs is not allowed here.
ソースコーナーで工事の詳細を探した方がええで。原作の内容フルで答えるのはここじゃ禁止やからな。2ちゃん+10
abandoned_idol
The rest of the story is good enough to the point where I am looking the other way whether or not they justify it at some point.
"Magic works that way"
As you say, Honzuki.
それな!魔法って便利すぎじゃね?笑
でもストーリーが面白すぎて細かいこと気にしないって感じ〜
本好きあるあるだわ!ギャル+6
BeatBlockP
> I hope they go into the details how much extra its costing to do it that way
The Archduke just said it was the ducal's family's entire fortune, and we saw them consume a whole sack of gold dust – so the show clearly tells you, this was expensive as hell.
公爵が「領主家の全財産」って言ってたし、金粉の袋丸ごと使うシーンもあったからな。アニメがはっきり教えてくれてるよ、めちゃくちゃ金かかってるって。普通くん+6
NylanBlake
He did not say it was their whole fortune, he said it was her whole budget for the Workshop Project.
あっ、確かに!公爵が言ったのは「工房プロジェクトの予算全部」だけだよね。全財産ってわけじゃなかったのか…そこ見落としてたわ、マジで!感情くん+10
Monkinary
RIP to all of the animals and plants under that magic circle. Hopefully no people got caught up in it either. Though, at least they would have been put out of their misery quickly.
あの魔法陣の下にいた動植物は全滅だね。人も巻き込まれてなければいいけど。まあ、もし巻き込まれても一瞬で楽にはなるんだろうな。普通くん+38
YoloKraize
Finally we see my favorite character Rihyarda. I just love how much of an importance she has shaping Rozemyne in the story.
やっとリヒャルダ登場!もうこのキャラ好きすぎるッ!ローゼマインの成長に彼女がどれだけ影響与えてるか考えるとエモすぎて泣く。無理。優勝。感情くん+39
Golden_Phi
I love how she even has Ferdi under her thumb.
確かに!リヒャルダ、フェルディも手玉に取ってるとこがやばくない!?まじで最強のメイドじゃん笑ギャル+27
abandoned_idol
I'm still sweating thinking that she might discipline Rozemyne-hime at some point. Rozemyne is "well-behaved".
確かに、いつかローゼマイン姫を叱るんじゃないかって今でもヒヤヒヤしてるよ。ローゼマインは「おとなしい」からね。普通くん+12
SmartAlec105
Rozemyne is smart enough to realize that someone that can manage Sylvester, Karstedt, *and* Ferdinand is someone she can not oppose.
それな!ローゼマイン、シルヴェスターとカルステットにフェルディナンドまでまとめられる相手には逆らえないってちゃんとわかってるじゃん!賢いわ〜笑ギャル+19
Rinzwind
They should have named the series "where is the librairy" D:
A lot of new chars this episode. Those can't be all one offs 😄
「図書館どこ?」ってタイトルにすべきだったなw
新キャラ大量に出てきたけど、全員使い捨てってことはないよね😄普通くん+30
feb914
The new characters are Rozemyne's retinue in the castle, so we can assume they'll be there whenever she's in the castle.
新キャラはローゼマインの城内での従者やろな。つまり彼女が城にいる時は常にいるってことやわ。2ちゃん+21
SmartAlec105
Remember that the full title of the series also includes "I'll Stop at Nothing to Become a Librarian"
それな!「図書館どこ?」ってタイトルでもいいくらいだよね笑
新キャラ多すぎてやばくない!?全員覚えられる気しねーんだけど笑ギャル+12
NoHead1715
The noble life needs some getting used to. The way they do things seem overtly high-handed. Even sitting down for a meal becomes a social exclusion exercise to the extent of not allowing family members who do not meet the requirements. I sure hope Rosemyne can teach them what it means to be family, and not stay at introducing "new" material stuff.
貴族の生活って慣れるの大変そうだね。やり方がすごく高圧的で、食事の席ですら条件を満たさない家族を排除するって厳しすぎる。ロゼマインには新しい物を紹介するだけじゃなくて、家族の本当の意味を教えてほしいな。普通くん+24
SmartAlec105
原文
Bookworm doesn't really handle cultural change the way that you see in a lot of isekai. Like she wanted to make sure that the orphans were fed but she was going by a thought process of the modern world. In this world, the compromise she came up with is that the orphan children work in order to be fed. Appalling by our standards but to them, it's just bringing the orphans to the same level of "work for your food" that basically all commoner children were already at.
せやな、本好きの異世界転生って、他の作品みたいに文化の違いをふわっと流さないよな。
孤児に食わせたいって思っても、現代人の考え方そのままで動いてるワケじゃない。
この世界では「働いたら食える」ってのが当たり前で、孤児もその基準に引き上げただけやろ。
ワイらの感覚からしたら引くけど、向こうの常識からすりゃ当然の妥協点なんやな。2ちゃん+23
ProbablyNotTheCocoa
The point was also to keep the workshop going after she hypothetically leaves the temple, if they were simply living off her expenses they would immediately start starving again as blue priests all skim off the top
確かに、彼女が神殿を離れた後も工房を続けさせるための配慮だよね。単に彼女の資金で暮らしてたら、青司祭が上から搾取するからすぐにまた飢え始めるって話だし。普通くん+7
RealSpiritSK
Yeah, we got a glimpse of how noble society works when Myne was still an apprentice shrine maiden working under Ferdinand. Now she's rising straight into the top ranks of nobility. It's gonna be even stricter than that.
せやな、神殿巫女時代にフェルディナンドの下で働いてた時にも貴族社会の一端は見えてたけどな。今度は一気に貴族のトップ層に上がるんや。あの時より厳しくなるのは間違いないンゴwww2ちゃん+10
mekerpan
Noble families seem FAR less cohesive than commoner ones, don't they. Sad. I am sure RM is desperate to meet her new younger siblings -- but it seems she may not get too much opportunity,
確かに貴族の家族って平民より結束が弱いよね。悲しいな。ロゼマインは新しい弟妹に会いたがってるだろうけど、あまり機会はなさそうだね。普通くん+8
EXusiai99
For one, commoner family tend to not get involved in political battles against their siblings. We really see how the lower city can be a tight knit community when the time calls for it, cant expect the same with the nobles, even in the same family.
確かに。平民の家族は兄弟間で政治的な争いをすることはまずない。下町が危機的状況で結束する姿を見ると、貴族と同じ家族内でも同じようにはいかないのが分かる。この対比は、身分制度の本質を描く上で重要な要素だと思われる。考察くん+8
mekerpan
Lutz's brothers were a bit of a problem, however. 😉
ルッツの兄貴らはちょっと厄介やったけどな😉 ワイはそれで草2ちゃん+8
Nebresto
The part about discarding the broth simply doesn't make any sense in a world where the average person doesn't always have enough food to eat. During famines people have resorted to eating *tree bark*. If you have actual foodstuffs you consume every single portion of it if you're starving
スープ捨てるって設定、正直意味わかんないよね。この世界の人たちって食料すら足りてないんだし。飢饉の時は木の皮食べるレベルなんだから、食べ物があるなら全部食べるでしょ。普通くん+20
GreateProtim
it's considered dirty water and it causes miscarriage and stuff. Although that maybe linked to poor sanitation.
確かに、衛生状態が悪いと流産の原因になるって考えられてたんだろうね。現代の感覚だと理解しづらいけど、あの世界の常識って感じだわ。普通くん+31
me34343
Poor sanitation, storage, and a type of survivorship bias. Those who have a stable source of food are more likely to be healthier than those scrounging for every scrap of food.
せやな、衛生面と保存方法が悪いからやろな。ちゃんと食い物確保できてる奴の方が、カスみたいなもん漁ってる奴より健康なんは当然やわ。2ちゃん+14
Zaradas
原文
It's a topic that keeps coming up, and there are many potential reasons, most can only be discussed in the source corner.
But lets take todays episode as a basis: trends come from higher nobles to lower nobles, from lower nobles to the commoner chefs and from there to the rest of the city.
And remember: If someone with a higher status says something is true, then its true. No matter how stupid/wrong/illegal it is.
From there we can speculate if/how this relates to things that don't make sense to our world... or if there is another better reason, connected to a different thing we learned in the past, or maybe we still have to learn in the future.
この話題はよく出るよね。理由は色々考えられるけど、多くは原作コーナーでしか話せないんだ。
今日の話をベースにすると:流行は上級貴族→下級貴族→平民の料理人→街中って流れで広がるんだよね。それに、身分が上の人が「こうだ」って言ったらそれが正解になる。どんなに馬鹿げてても間違ってても違法でもね。
そこから考えると、俺たちの世界では理解できないことがどう関連してるか…あるいは過去に学んだ別の事柄と繋がってるのか、まだ知らないことがあるのか、って話になるかな。普通くん+12
DarkAngel6669
Aside from superstitions, vegetables in this world have mana, remember the torombe tree? So mana for poor people is like radiation, but poor people don't have instruments to control it, so if they drink the water they ingest more radiation, the mana disease is very dangerous and it is the reason why myne needed to enter the noble society, she have a lot of mana that was killing her.
確かに迷信的な側面はあるが、この世界の野菜には魔力が宿っている点を考慮すべきだ。トロンベの木を思い出してほしい。貧民にとって魔力は放射能のようなもので、制御する手段がない。だからスープの煮汁を飲めば、より多くの魔力を摂取してしまう。魔力病は非常に危険で、それがマインが貴族社会に入る必要があった理由でもある。彼女は過剰な魔力で命の危険に晒されていたのだから。考察くん+8
Myrkrvaldyr
Broth, small beer and ale were the main sources of water for peasants after all, back when people wouldn't normally boil water since it costs precious firewood.
それな!スープ捨てるとかまじありえなくない?笑 昔の庶民って貴重な薪で水わざわざ沸かさないし、ブロスとかビールが水分補給の主な手段だったんだよね〜ギャル+6
Golden_Phi
Wouldn't it be watered down beer and ale? Alcohol is a diuretic, so drinking it would actually be dehydrating.
確かにビールやエールは水で薄めてたんじゃないかな?アルコールは利尿作用あるから、飲むと逆に脱水症状になるしね。普通くん+5
me34343
原文
It is a common trope that places with magic tend to be less inventive with non-magic things.
I haven't seen or heard of any true hardships other than the orphanage. The type of hardship our world has experienced during this time period is probably very rare and temporary due to magic. If a duke could just fly somewhere and magically create a Monastery in a few minutes, then most of the causes for long term famines are probably solved pretty easily.
確かに魔法がある世界では、非魔法技術への発想が乏しいのはよくあるパターンだよな。孤児院以外に本当の苦難が描かれてないのも、魔法で長期飢饉の原因が簡単に解決できるからだろう。公爵が飛んで行って数分で修道院を魔法で作れるなら、現実の中世のような厳しい時代は存在しにくいという考察ができる。考察くん+6
Myrkrvaldyr
原文
It's also a resource abundance thing. One of the main reasons it took humanity so damn long to enter the industrial age is because most people were barely scraping by. You can only afford to allocate resources for thinking and inventions when you have resources to spare, and since education wasn't widespread, the pool of talent was super small. One can only imagine how many geniuses died as farmers or regular craftsmen who never realized they had immense potential for math, physics, chemistry, biology, etc. because they were never given the chance. The education wasn't available.
それも資源の豊富さの問題だよね。人類が産業革命までめっちゃ時間かかった大きな理由の一つは、大半の人がギリギリで生きてたからだと思う。考えることや発明にリソースを割けるのは、余裕がある時だけだし、教育が普及してなかったから才能のプールも超小さかった。どれだけの天才が農家や普通の職人として死んでいったか想像するだけで怖いわ。数学とか物理とか化学とか生物学にめっちゃ才能あったのに、チャンスがなかっただけで。教育がなかったんだよ。普通くん+8
turtlesrprettycool
I started this series last month. The wait each week is killing me now. The light speed pacing so far also isn't helping.
先月このシリーズ見始めたンゴ。毎週の待ち時間がマジで死ぬわ。光速展開も全然助けになってないし草2ちゃん+17
H-K_47
Good time to shill the books! They add so much more detail and there's so much to read. I had a great time with them.
確かに!本もおすすめだよ。めっちゃ細かい描写が追加されてて読み応えあるし、俺もすごく楽しめた。普通くん+30
-Auvit-
I also like the added side stories that sometimes show Rozmyne isn’t an entirely reliable narrator
確かに!サイドストーリーも最高だよね。ローゼマインが完全な信頼できる語り手じゃないってところがめっちゃ面白いんだよな。感情くん+18
H-K_47
Yeah this series' ability to really get into a character's headspace is really good. So much depends on perspectives and different goals and reaching shared understandings, especially as we get deeper into the plot and things can get more complicated.
確かに。このシリーズのキャラの心情描写の上手さは本当に良いよね。特に話が進むにつれて、視点の違いとか目的の違いで物事が複雑になっていくところがリアルだと思う。普通くん+8
SmartAlec105
Most series have a relatable protagonist by writing a character that the audience can see themselves in.
Bookworm has a relatable protagonist by transforming the audience into book hungry gremlins that would do anything to read more.
せやな。大抵の作品は主人公に共感させるために「視聴者を主人公に寄せていく」手法やろ。
でも本好きの下剋上は違うンゴ。読者を「本を読むためなら何でもする飢えたグレムリン」に変えてくるんや。ワイもその一人やわwww2ちゃん+5
Nghtmare-Moon
there's 30+ light novels for you to feast on my friend
それな。ライトノベルは30巻以上あるから、友よ、思う存分読めるよ。普通くん+6
feb914
Lol poor merchants not able to comprehend how a building can be built within minutes while costing a ton.
笑ったw 商人たちが「なんで一瞬で建物が建つのに金がめっちゃかかるんだ」って理解できなくて可哀想すぎるッ!感情くん+16
Zeebie_
Still mad this show was not in the top 10 anime for last week. Hopefully, this episode lets it get on the list.
まだこのアニメが先週のトップ10に入ってないのが納得いかないわ。今回のエピソードでランクインしてほしいな。普通くん+20
nakerusa
That's their loss for missing out.
同意。見逃してる側が損してるだけだしな。感情くん+19
BlackSCrow
It's understandable though, it's difficult to catch up three seasons
確かにそう思う気持ちも分かるよ。3シーズン分追うのは大変だしね。普通くん+18
Golden_Phi
Especially since the early seasons are so rough. I want to watch Kingdom so badly, but the early seasons of that are rough too.
確かにそれな。初期シーズンがクソすぎてな…キングダムもめっちゃ見たいンゴけど初期がキツすぎるンゴwww2ちゃん+11
tripleaamin
Sadly, the first few seasons having middling production values hurt it. S1 was fine, but Part 2 is more so the issue in termd of pacing. I read the manga for Part 1 and Part 2 instead of rewatching S1-S3. Man, there is so much the manga dives into in Part 2 that S2+S3 cut.
There were scenes, especially in S3, that felt lacking and underwhelming that the manga really does well.
確かに。最初のシーズンは作画が微妙だったのが痛いよね。S1はまだマシだけど、パート2のペース配分が問題。俺はS1〜S3を観返す代わりに漫画でパート1と2を読んだんだけど、S2+S3でカットされた漫画の描写がめっちゃ多いんだよ。特にS3は漫画だと盛り上がるシーンなのにアニメだと物足りなく感じた。普通くん+18
carnexhat
Dont forget that the cliffhanger finish of ep1 wasnt resolved in that episode and now it looks like it isnt going to be resolved on screen at all so I imagine there are more than a few people who are just largely confused about the show right now.
せやな、確かにep1の引きがその回で回収されずに、しかも画面で解決されそうにないから混乱してる人多そうやな。このアニメよく分からんって人結構おるんちゃうか。2ちゃん+12
Lubu195
They did acknowledge episode 1's ending when the 2 of them were in the hall way. They just skipped over everything and just had the apology with him saying "glad your ok". Not the best way to go about things and I think people missed it but it was there.
確かにそれはあったね。2人が廊下にいるときに第1話の終わり方に触れてたけど、全部すっ飛ばして「無事で良かった」って謝罪だけだったんだよな。ベストなやり方とは言えないし、気づかなかった人も多いと思うけど、一応あったんだよね。普通くん+12
Boshwa
You say that as if they didn't just ignore what happened in ep 1 in the very next week
それな!でもさ、第1話であれだけやらかしたのに次の週でスルーされたのやばくね?笑ギャル+7
djthomp
原文
Always nice to get another lady knight as a guard, hopefully this new one has less complicated personal circumstances than poor Brigitte. Here's hoping for something great in regards to the fashion trend Rosemyne has been tasked with creating to make a lady knight look good.
So as long as they have the proper expensive ingredients they can make entire new buildings by dissolving the landscape, including the trees and everything else? That's a little terrifying, what happens if there was somebody in that forest such as those peasants that walked up a few moments later?
新しい女性騎士が護衛に加わるのはいいね。ブリギッテほど複雑な事情じゃないといいな。ロゼーマインが女性騎士をカッコよく見せるために始めたファッション流行にも期待。
つまり、高価な材料さえあれば、木や地面ごと全部溶かして新しい建物を作れるってこと?それはちょっと怖いな。もし数分後にあの農民たちが森にいたらどうなってたんだろう。普通くん+15
Tacitus_
> That's a little terrifying, what happens if there was somebody in that forest such as those peasants that walked up a few moments later?
It's not exactly going to be conducive to their health and well-being.
確かに、護衛としての女性騎士が増えるのは良い流れだ。ただ、先ほど森の中から現れた農民たちのような存在がいた場合、彼らの健康と安全に悪影響を及ぼす可能性が高いという考察ができる。この展開は、領地の治安と民の生活のバランスをどう取るかという伏線かもしれない。考察くん+22
JapanPhoenix
To shreds, you say?
「ズタズタってこと?」って感じだね。森に誰かいたら終わりだったな。普通くん+11
cyberscythe
i see, how are their wife and children holding up?
あらま、奥さんと子供たちは大丈夫なの?気になるんだけど〜ギャル+7
mekerpan
Angelica looks so adorable doesn't she?
わかる!アンゲリカ可愛すぎるッ!感情くん+13
Golden_Phi
> That's a little terrifying, what happens if there was somebody in that forest such as those peasants that walked up a few moments later?
I wish they had shown some sort of animal being caught in it to see what would happen. Like a bird or even a bug.
確かに。あの森にさっきの農民たちがいたらどうなってたんだろうって考えると怖いよな。鳥とか虫でもいいから、何か動物がかかったところを見せてほしかったな。普通くん+6
Primary-Paint-1716
So, we just glossed over the fact that Myne almost died in e1?
え?1話でマイン死にかけたのサラッと流したんかよwww
ワイ「えっ死んだ?」ってなったわ草2ちゃん+15
pashkoff
Apparently. But given her past history - almost dying is just a regular Tuesday.
確かに。でも彼女の過去を考えれば、死にかけるのなんて日常茶飯事すぎるッ!感情くん+24
cyberscythe
it's basically penciled into her itinerary
a busy Tuesday: eat breakfast, meet with nobles, lunch, almost die, read a book, dinner, pat attendant's heads, etc.
確かに。彼女のスケジュール帳には「死にかける」が普通に組み込まれてる感じだよね。
火曜日の予定:朝食、貴族と会議、昼食、死にかける、読書、夕食、付き人の頭を撫でる、など。普通くん+5
Zefyris
isn't that something that has happened every two episodes or so in the previous 36 episodes? They do skip a lot though, that's true. If they didn't spend several minutes per episodes doing previous series recaps, they would have had time to explain some important things and connect the scenes better. I'm not a fan of WIT's choice to take that time for recaps instead, honestly.
確かに、これまでの36話でも2話に1回くらいの頻度でマインの危機は描かれていたからね。ただ、アニメでは重要な説明や場面の繋がりを省略しすぎているのは否めない。各話の冒頭で前シリーズのダイジェストに数分使うくらいなら、その時間で重要な伏線を補完すべきだったという考察ができる。WITスタジオの構成判断には正直疑問が残る。考察くん+12
RealSpiritSK
> So, we just glossed over the fact that Myne almost died
The people who had to deal with her regularly wanted to share the experience and the cycle continues >😄
それな。毎日付き合わされてる人たちは「お前も味わえ」って感じで広めてるんだよね。笑普通くん+6
IceBlue
Is it just me or does Crunchyroll have the original AI opening in the new episodes but changes the opening to the non AI one later?
Last week episode 1 had the new opening and episode 2 had the old one which confused me. Now episode 2 has the new one and episode 3 has the old AI one.
それってワイだけか?Crunchyroll、新エピソードでは最初にAIオープニング流して後で差し替えてるよな?先週エピソード1が新OPで2が旧OPで混乱したわ。今週は2が新OPで3が旧AI OPになってたンゴwww2ちゃん+16
Ebo87
That's only on mobile, desktop and TV have the new one.
Edit: Correction, it seems like episode 3 is indeed wrong everywhere. It was just episode 2 that was not fixed on mobile.
So yes, another CR blunder, lol. At least this is not a big deal for the actual content of the episode as you can just skip the OP anyway.
それモバイルだけだよ。PCとテレビでは新しくなってる。
追記: 訂正、3話は確かにどこでも間違ってるっぽい。2話だけモバイルで修正されてなかったみたい。
つまりまたCRのドジってことね、笑。まあOPは飛ばせるし、本編には影響ないからいいけどさ。普通くん+9
Cill_Bipher
Episode 3 had the old opening on desktop for me.
マジで!?私もデスクトップでエピソード3だけ旧OPだったんだけど、やばくね?ギャル+9
Ebo87
Yes, it seems like episode 3 wasn't replaced anywhere, lol. So will probably be fixed next week.
This just proves they've had this episode for some time, and maybe forgot to replace it with the new one? lol
Who knows, it's CR, anything goes over there, whatever you can imagine in terms of blunders, I could see happen.
確かに、3話のオープニングが差し替えられてなかったのは制作側のミスだな。このことから、彼らがこのエピソードをある程度前から用意していて、新しいOPに差し替えるのを忘れた可能性が考察できる。
CRの体制を考えると、どんな凡ミスもあり得るというのが正直なところだ。制作陣の意図が読めないが、来週には修正されるだろう。考察くん+6
FajarKalawa
Chruncyroll seems didn't give af but it's CR to begin with. Probably only the TV version one is changed.
確かに、Crunchyrollはあんまり気にしてなさそうだよね。そもそもCRだし。多分テレビ版だけ変わってるんじゃないかな。普通くん+7
HoroTV
Ep 2 has the other one
マジそれ!CRは最初っから適当すぎじゃね?笑
2話のほうはちゃんともう一つの方使ってたよ〜ギャル+5
me34343
AI opening?
AIオープニング?気づかなかったな。普通くん+5
H-K_47
Some of the backgrounds in some shots of the OP are AI generated. They fixed it after the first episode, replacing most of the backgrounds, but seems like CR didn't update the episodes?
Comparison:
OPの一部の背景、AI生成っぽいンゴね。1話以降で修正して大半の背景差し替えたらしいけど、CRがエピソード更新してないっぽい?比較画像あるわ。2ちゃん+10
wolf549
原文
Ohhh if Rihyarda knows Sylvester, Kardstedt, and Ferdinand from when they were all young then she must know a lot of stories and has considerable influence over them hahah. Even Ferdinand bends to her will!
Brigitte's being harassed by her former fiance after breaking off their engagement when he tried to take over their family after her father passed away. Rozemyne wants to help her somehow and Sylvester suggests introducing a trend which will increase not only her own influence, but Brigitte's as well. Ferdinand is being avoided as he's a priest (the temple is looked down upon in noble society as a reminder) and intends to remain unwed. Rozemyne wants him to remain unwed because she couldn't handle the work of the High Priest and the High Bishop, but she also doesn't understand the double meaning which could mean she wants him to wait for her! I bet Sylvester is laughing on the inside.
Wilfried managed to apologize to Rozemyne for the incident during her baptism. Sylvester's other children aren't even allowed to have dinner with the family before they're baptized and know proper manners, that seems rather lonely by Rozemyne's standards, but it's standard fare for the nobility. Rozemyne calls out Ferdinand for not improving the taste of his potions only for him to do a reverse uno lol. His reaction was funny.
Plans for the Italian restaurant are in full swing after they share a lunch there. The town of Hasse doesn't have a cathedral as there can only be one in Ehrenfest, but a monastery should work! Ferdinand draws up the schematics for the monastery and much to Rozemyne's confusion, they immediately fly out to build it! Ferdinand takes some gold dust and the schematics and starts casting a large spell that creates an entire monastery just like that! I'm hoping to see more of what magic in this world is capable of. Looks like casting that kind of magic is expensive though and in order to furnish the monastery Rozemyne is going to have to gather funds from the nobility. I'm not surprised Benno and Gustave seem to be in shock at how quickly everything is happening now that Rozemyne has the backing of the Archduke to get the printing industry started.
Rozemyne's chef is in high demand now that they've tasted some of the recipes that she's introduced!
リヒャルダがジルヴェスターやカルステット、フェルディナンドの若い頃を知ってるなら、いろんな話を知ってて影響力もデカいんだろうな笑。フェルディナンドでさえ彼女の言うことを聞くんだな。
ブリギッテは父親の死後に婚約者が家族を乗っ取ろうとして婚約破棄したのに、今度は元婚約者から嫌がらせを受けてるんだな。ロゼマインは何とか助けたいと思ってて、ジルヴェスターが流行を作る提案をする。フェルディナンドは神官だから避けられてて(貴族社会では神殿が軽んじられてる)、結婚しないつもり。ロゼマインは高位司祭と高位司教の仕事を一人でこなせないから彼に結婚してほしくないけど、それが「彼に自分を待ってほしい」って意味にも取れるダブルミーニングになってるんだよな。ジルヴェスターは心の中で笑ってるだろうな。
ヴィルフリートが洗礼の件でちゃんと謝ったんだな。ジルヴェスターの他の子供たちは洗礼を受けてマナーを覚えるまで家族と夕食すら取れないなんて、ロゼマインからすると寂しいけど貴族じゃ普通なんだろうな。ロゼマインがフェルディナンドの薬の味を改善しろって言ったら逆に返り討ちにあったの笑ったわ。
イタリアンレストランの計画は順調だな。ハッセには大聖堂がないけど、修道院なら建てられる!フェルディナンドが設計図を描いてすぐに飛び立って魔法で普通くん+15
FelixAndCo
So, no flashback to how fainted bloody Rozemyne recovered. It was bit too much of tonal shock to just hand wave the resolution off-screen.
流血したロゼマインがどうやって回復したかの回想シーン無しかよ。急すぎて草。場面変わって解決したって流すのはさすがにトーンおかしいやろwww2ちゃん+13
drt0
I'm surprised it shocked everyone so much. Watching the previous seasons it felt like Myne was either sick or near death's door every few episodes, so without reading the comments here I just thought "Oh Myne, you overexerted yourself and fell sick again, didn't you".
確かに、そこまで驚くことでもなかったかもね。前シーズンでもマインは数話ごとに病気か死にかけてたし、コメント見るまで「また無理して倒れたの?」って普通に思ってたわ。普通くん+6
pau_gmd
Happy bookworm noises
本好き民歓喜やん!!ワイも嬉しすぎて草2ちゃん+13
cyberscythe
was it already discussed in the show why Italian? when she says Italian, do they have any idea what she's talking about?
also, isn't consomme French?
確かにイタリア語って言ってたけど、作中でちゃんと説明あったっけ?あとコンソメってフランス語だよね。普通くん+13
H-K_47
She's recreating Italian-type cuisine cuz that's what fits with the ingredients and tastes of this world. I imagine she's throwing in every type of dish she can think of so it's probably a mix of various European cuisines.
I dunno if she's actually saying "Italian" out loud, but no, Italy doesn't exist in this world. At best they'd think it's just some random name she came up with.
せやな、この世界の食材や味に合わせてイタリアン風の料理を再現してるだけやろ。多分マイネ思い付く限りの料理ぶち込んでるから、欧州の料理がミックスされた感じやと思うわ。
本人が「イタリアン」って口に出してるかは知らんけど、この世界にイタリアなんて国は存在せんしな。せいぜい「マイネが適当に作った名前やろ」って思われて終わりやろな。2ちゃん+24
Atario
>I dunno if she's actually saying "Italian" out loud
She does, at 14:18
確かに、14:18でちゃんと言ってたね。普通くん+6
alconnow
I've been excited to see the Italian restaurant. The fluffy bread looks delicious
End card illustration by the artist of Part 3 manga adaptation
イタリアン店マジで楽しみにしてたンゴwww
ふわふわパンが美味そうすぎるやろ
第3部漫画版のイラストレーターのエンドカードも良かったわ2ちゃん+11
Golden_Phi
What a cute illustration.
めっちゃかわいいイラストじゃん!やばくね!?ギャル+5
Icommandyou
Legit the only anime where MC actually uses the knowledge from past world and do real world building stuff
マジで唯一だわ、前世の知識を活かしてちゃんと世界構築してる主人公って普通くん+9
LouisLeGros
There is a pharmacy isekai that does a decent job of handling it. The protagonist was a medical researcher & actually uses that knowledge & the royalty in world realize that the new things the mc is introducing will have society wide impact.
せやな、薬屋系異世界転生モンも結構ちゃんとやってるンゴ。主人公が元医療研究者で知識活かしてるし、王族も新しい技術が社会に与える影響理解してるんや。2ちゃん+8
drt0
This show made me realize how useless I would probably be in the same scenario LOL
それな!!!主人公の知識フル活用っぷりがエグすぎる。自分だったら絶対何もできずに終わってたわ…笑感情くん+8
panther1313
原文
>if they can do leavened bread as we see this episode, they would have known long ago, they don't need Myne to invent obvious discoveries.
They couldn't do the bread, because they didn't have yeast. In Part 2 where everything about the restaurant was cut, it was mentioned that Myne creates the yeast herself and only gave instructions to the chefs on how to use it, not make it.
The soup stock thing was brought up elsewhere in this thread.
このエピソードで発酵パンが作れるなら、とっくに気づいてたはずで、マインが明らかな発見を発明する必要はなかったという意見か。だが、彼らは酵母がなかったからパンを作れなかったんだ。パート2でレストランの話が全部カットされたけど、マインが自分で酵母を作り、使い方だけを料理人に教えたのであって、作り方は教えなかったと明記されている。だしの件もこのスレッドの別の場所で触れられていたな。考察くん+5
MillenniumKing
原文
#The art this ep was soooo good!
Oh Myne is moving?
We got new guards as well, a cute girl.
And we got a Granny that makes Fred anxious?
PRINCESS ROSEMYNE!?
Yeah Granny raised Sylvester and Fred.
Sylvester has 2 more kids? 3 total wow.
Speaking of here he is. And the kid who dragged her.
Oh we have a hook up party?
No one wants to approch Fred.
MYNE WANTS HIM TO REMAIN UNMARRIED UNTIL SHES OF AGE HUH!?
Bridget is htere too and had a crappy finace before wow.
Sy wants Myne to make a new look for her?
Once agin showing off Mynes power.
Oh Myne collapsed again after that.
Fred brouht her good tasteing medicine how nice.
ITALIAN RESTURANT TIME
Oh Freida is back, one helping back the resturant yeah i recall.
LOOK AT THAT BREAD ANIMARTION!
We got soup too. Fred liiked it.
We are figureing out what to do with that villiage and all the kids.
Gonna build a new cathedral and put the kids to work.
Oh no a monastary? Interesting.
OH WERE FLYING THERE!
Fred is using magic to build a monastary?
Wow thats a cool spell man the art this season went nuts.
We need money for tools and workers spo we gotta get donations!
今週の作画マジで神だったな!
オーマイン引っ越すの?
新しい護衛も来たし、かわいい子だな。
それにフレッドを不安にさせるおばあちゃんも?
ロゼマイン王女!?
なるほど、おばあちゃんはジルヴェスターとフレッドを育てたのか。
ジルヴェスターにはあと2人子供いるの? 計3人か、すごいな。
あ、本人来た。それに彼女を連れてきた子も。
お見合いパーティー的なやつ?
誰もフレッドに近づきたがらない。
マイン、自分が成人するまでフレッドに結婚してほしくないって!?
ブリジットもいるし、前はひどい婚約者だったんだな。
シルはマインに新しいドレスを作ってほしいって?
またマインの力を見せつける回。
その後また倒れちゃったけど。
フレッドが美味しい薬を持ってきてくれた、優しいな。
イタリアンレストランタイム!
フリーダも帰ってきた、レストラン支援の話か、思い出した。
あのパンの作画見てよ!
スープも来た。フレッドも気に入ったみたい。
あの村と子供たちのことをどうするか決めてるところ。
新しい聖堂を建てて、子供たちを働かせるんだって。
修道院か…面白いな。
空を飛んでる!
フレッドが魔法で修道院を建ててるの?
すげえ魔法だな、今期の作画ヤバすぎる。
道具と労働者にお金が必要だから寄付集めか!普通くん+8
feb914
>MYNE WANTS HIM TO REMAIN UNMARRIED UNTIL SHES OF AGE HUH!?
She didn't intend it that way, but the misunderstanding must be funny for Sylvester.
それな!!!笑
「マイン、自分が成人するまで結婚すんなって暗に言ってる!?」ってなるよね
本人はそんなつもり全然ないのに、誤解がシルヴェスターには面白すぎるんだろうなw感情くん+12
Atiknwolc
Great episode. Seeing the fan favorite characters moving just moves me. Bookworm is just peak.
やばくね!?今回の話まじで最高じゃん!ファン人気のキャラが動いてるの見るだけで感動しちゃうよ。本好きはまじでピークすぎる!ギャル+8
AsterJ
原文
How can you build a whole ass building with magic in seconds? What about all the engineering and construction methods involved? Construction is an entire industry across dozens of disciplines and he just solos it with magic? Why are they even bothering with a printing industry when you have that type of cheat ability available.
If Myne learns that magic can she just create modern skyscrapers out of nothing?
This type of magic just defies logic.
マジで魔法でビル一棟数秒で建てるとか頭おかしいやろwww
建築って何十もの分野が集まった一大産業やぞ?それを一人で魔法で解決とかチートすぎンゴ
こんなんあったら印刷業とか意味なくね?
マインが魔法覚えたら現代の超高層ビルもポン出しできるんか?
いやもう魔法に常識通用せんわ草2ちゃん+6
Al-Pharazon
原文
Magic by definition defies logic.
But you did not pay enough attention to the magic itself. As the anime already shows a few limitations. First there is a significant economic cost as it requires golden dust.
If you remember from the previous season, similar golden dust was created when Myne overfilled the sizeable and equally expensive feystone the High Bishop was using to protect himself against her mana.
Both mana and feystones of such quality are very rare and thus expensive.
Then you saw how Ferdinand had to draw precise schematics, which were based on existing schematics of the Temple. Myne would require education and practice to do the same.
確かに魔法は常識を無視するものだけど、作中でちゃんと制限も描かれてたよね。まず金粉が必要で経済的コストが大きい。前シーズンでマイネがハイビショップの魔石を満タンにした時に似た金粉ができたの覚えてる?ああいう高品質の魔石や魔力はレアで高価なんだ。それにフェルディナンドが寺院の設計図を元に精密な図面を引いてたのも重要。マイネも教育と練習が必要ってことだよ。普通くん+21
H-K_47
He says he copied from the existing temple, so it's clear they're basically working with existing templates, not designing something new from the ground up. Copy+Place.
せやな、既存の神殿をコピーしたって言うてるし、テンプレート使ってコピペしてるだけやろ。設計とかはガン無視で草。2ちゃん+18
panther1313
>Copy+Place
I see what you did there.
コピペってそういうことか。確かにその通りだね。普通くん+20
pashkoff
Ferdinand threw some blueprints into the magic circle - they are seen only for a few frames, but they looked fairly detailed. Would Myne manage to draft such blueprint for a skyscraper?
それな!フェルディナンドが魔法陣に設計図ぶっ込んでたの一瞬しか映ってなかったけど結構細かかったよね笑
でもマインに超高層ビルの設計図なんて描けるの?って話じゃね?ギャル+11
EXusiai99
The magic comes with a cost. We're not told how much the golden dust costs but if the head of state says that it's expensive then it's expensive.
Also, Lutz's dad and some of his sons works in construction. Construction magic is not something so readily avalaible that it invalidates manual builders entirely.
確かに魔法で一瞬で建築ってエンジニアリング無視しすぎやろって思うけど、黄金の粉がどんだけ高いか考えたら納得やな。国主が高いって言うならガチで高いんやろな。
それにルッツの親父とか息子らが建設業やってるし、魔法建築が完全に人力を駆逐するほど普及してないってのもわかるわ。2ちゃん+9
alan_14
Fun fact about Angelica's seiyuu while I was looking at Anilist. I forgot that she sings the opening for S3.
まじで!?アンジェリカの声優さん、S3のOP歌ってたの知らんかったんだけど!やばくね!?ギャル+7
SYZekrom
Is that boy in the hall the one that dragged her at the end of episode 1
Really weird cliffhanger to just skip over
Damn ok building magic go
あの広間にいた男の子って、第1話の最後で彼女を引きずってったやつだよね
あれ飛ばして終わるのはかなり変な引きだったな
おいおい、魔法陣作ってんのかよ普通くん+5
H-K_47
Yep same kid, Wilfried, son of the Archduke.
やばっ!そうそう、その子がヴィルフリートで領主様の息子なんだって!てか第1話の引きずってたやつ、あれ飛ばすのまじで謎じゃない?笑ギャル+5
Ocixo
Damuel wasn’t anywhere to be seen at the Star-Binding ceremony. Does this suggest that he already got a partner? This would frankly be a shame. I’d thought about potentially setting him up with Brigitte.
Though, wouldn’t Brigitte be forced to step down as Rozemyne’s knight guard if she were to get married?
星結びの儀式でダームエルが見当たらなかったな。もう相手が見つかったってことか?正直それは残念だ。ブリギッテとくっつく可能性も考えてたんだけどな。
でも、ブリギッテが結婚したらローゼマインの護衛騎士を辞めなきゃいけなくなるんじゃないか?普通くん+5
panther1313
>Though, wouldn’t Brigitte be forced to step down as Rozemyne’s knight guard if she were to get married?
It is indeed customary for noblewomen to quit their jobs after getting married to have and raise children.
Commoners don't have that luxury.
なるほど、確かに貴族社会の慣習を踏まえると、ブリギッテが結婚した場合、ローゼマインの護衛騎士を辞めざるを得ないという考察は妥当だな。平民とは違い、貴族女性は結婚後に子育てに専念するのが一般的だからな。この辺りの設定は、作中の階級制度を深く理解する上で重要なポイントだと思われる。考察くん+19
toilodi
Although it's also usual for them to come back to work after their children has come of age which are the cases of most of the older women working in the castle
確かに!でも子供が成人した後に復帰するパターンも普通にあるみたいで、城で働く年配の女性たちは大体そんな感じなんだよね。感情くん+7
smol9977
Ok I'm enjoying the show but is the pace a bit breakneak? Are we not gonna talk about the kid dragging roseamynes body by accident?
え、めっちゃ楽しんでるんだけどさ、テンポ早すぎじゃね!?笑 あの子がロゼマインの身体引きずっちゃったシーン、みんなスルーしすぎじゃない?やばくね!?ギャル+5
Earlier-Today
The animation is way better than it was, but the story telling feels a bit choppy, and it feels like they cut scenes out, but then act like it's something we saw.
If I hadn't read the source material, I don't know if I could follow things as easily.
確かにアニメの作画は前シリーズより良くなったが、ストーリーテリングがやや断片的で、カットされたシーンがあるのに視聴者が見た前提で話が進むのが気になる。原作未読者だと話の流れを追うのが難しいのではないかという考察ができる。考察くん+6
abandoned_idol
原文
Edit: I was wrong! My hobby for low pitched voice actors has been revealed. I can't even tell them apart.
Ferdinand has a very low pitch voice that I found very satisfying to listen to (Seasons 2,3, and 4). Same voice actor as Kirei (from the Fate series, who also happens to be a priest, VA is typecasted to sexy priests).
Benno is voiced by Dio's VA.
Seasons 1-3 have low budget character designs.
Season 4 looks much prettier.
That's how I'd describe the adaptation as an anime-only.
編集:間違ってた!俺の低音声優好きがバレてしまった。全然聞き分けられないのに。
フェルディナンドはすごく低い声で聴いてて心地いいんだよね(2期、3期、4期)。声優は言峰綺礼(Fateシリーズ、たまたま神父でもある)と同じで、声優はセクシー神父役でタイプキャストされてる。
ベンノはDIO様の声優だよ。
1期から3期までは作画の予算が低め。
4期はかなり綺麗になった。
アニメしか見てない俺からすると、こんな感じの感想かな。普通くん+5