+177
TurkeyPhat
it's always the evil twins
are they twins? who cares, little dipshits
the king definitely looked sick which could explain trying to screw over Leon
いつも双子の悪役やん
双子かどうか知らんけど、どっちにしろ小ガキどもやなw
王様明らかに病んでる顔やったし、それでレオンにケチつけようとしたんかもな2ちゃん+51
NanDemoKnaives
Yeah those dark eyebags on the King look very concerning.
それな!王様の目の下のクマやばすぎだし、絶対なんかあるじゃん!ギャル+22
Frontier246
They're apparently his younger brothers whom, ironically, he was driven to be a good example for.
確かに、皮肉なことに彼が良い見本になろうとした相手が弟たちってのがな。普通くん+18
shatteredauthor
My bet is that the king knows about the younger brothers manipulating the prince and has been trying to find a way to protect him without throwing the kingdom into chaos but is totally failing and just causing excessive stress
あの双子、明らかに王弟たちに操られてるよな。王様はそれに気づいてて、国を混乱させずに王子を守ろうとしてるんだろうけど、完全に失敗して過度なストレスを抱え込んでるって考察ができる。考察くん+9
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
I’m glad Pride’s finally starting to open up somewhat to Arthur, Tiara, and Stale. Those 3 would do anything for her. They’re real ride or die types. She should trust them more.
I’m guessing Pride knew something was gonna go down with Leon’s brothers and the king. Perhaps some sort of coup? Is that why they wanted Leon out? If things still progressed as initially planned, is this a fixed event in the game?
プライドがようやくアーサー、ティアラ、ステイルに心を開き始めて良かったよ。あの3人は彼女のために何だってするだろうし、本当に命を懸けるタイプだ。もっと信頼していいと思う。
プライドはレオンと王と兄弟の間で何かが起こるって知ってたのかな?もしかしてクーデターとか?だからレオンを追い出したかったのか?もし最初の計画通りに進んでるなら、ゲーム内で決まったイベントなのか?普通くん+34
Frontier246
原文
Count on Tiara to flex her ostensible status as the Heroine of this game world to help mend things between the group and make even Pride realize she doesn't have to be alone in everything she does. Maybe this will start to truly heal her crippling paranoia about her Villainess status.
I'm assuming the younger brothers intended to ruin his reputation to take him out of the line of succession. Maybe force him to be exposed as a prince who goes out into town to get drunk, or possibly get attacked by someone they hired (there's a reason Pride needed to be there and why Arthur and Stale needed to come too).
ティアラの「このゲームのヒロイン」って立場がようやく役に立ったな。グループの仲直りに一役買って、プライドにも「全部一人で抱え込まなくていい」って気付かせたのはデカいわ。これでヴィランズ根性のパラノイアもマシになる……かもしらん。
弟たちは「王子が町で酔っ払ってる」ってイメージを流布して、継承権から外そうとしたんやろな。あるいは雇った刺客に襲わせる気だったかも(プライドが来た理由、アーサーとステイルも呼ばれた理由がそこや)。2ちゃん+14
mekerpan
Leon TRIED to follow Pride's advice. Alas, she did NOT wartn him that his younger brothers might drug him and carry him off against his will.
Query: What is it Leon most wants? It seems like it is to become king of his OWN country. But his brothers seem to want to sabotage all options for him. Pretty shabby.
レオンはプライドの助言に従おうとしていたんだな。しかし彼女は、彼の弟たちが彼に薬を盛って無理やり連れ去るかもしれないとは警告しなかった。さて、レオンが最も望むものは何か?おそらく彼自身の国の王になることだろう。だが弟たちは彼のあらゆる選択肢を妨害しようとしているようだ。かなり卑劣なやり方だという考察ができる。考察くん+19
shatteredauthor
I wonder if Pride didn't know the specifics and just knew that 'something happens the week after the engagement which causes the prince to be disowned and exiled' in her evil version flashback last week it seemed that the rumors of him being a womanizer was the 'official' reason that he was exiled which does imply that whatever happened amongst the royal family was kept quiet.
確かに、プライドは「婚約の翌週に王子が勘当されて追放される」ってことだけ知ってて、詳細までは把握してなかったのかもね。前回の悪役バージョンの回想だと、女たらしの噂が追放の「公式な理由」になってたみたいだし、王室の中で何が起きたかは隠蔽されたってことだよね。普通くん+7
HolyDragSwd2500
Nooo don’t drink….and now he’s outside the castle
やめて飲まないで…って今城の外にいるじゃんッ!もう無理しんどすぎる感情くん+36
PeaceAlien
Bros set him up
あの野郎、まんまとハメられたな…普通くん+20
Amauri14
原文
That scene with Pride sleeping on Tiara's lap and then Stale's lap was beautiful.
It is funny how Pride has no clue that Stale and Arthur's main concern and relief when Pride told them about the conversation she had with Leon was that they did not have sex.
I wonder if Pride's trip to Anemone Kingdom could have been prevented if she had told Leon not to trust his siblings. I already had my suspicions about them when their recommendations were what led to the rumors that were hurting Leon's reputation. So I guess their plan the last night was to convince him to go out and create a scenario that would lead to the annulment of his engagement with Pride, and with it his position as the king's successor, but as he did not take that bait, they just went with plan B, drugged his drink, and dropped him in a tavern. Well, I can't wait to see what Pride will do to save him, although her being with him will likely be enough to deal with their conspiracy.
We got the creditless OP last week, and finally today we got the creditless ED. I love how joyful the ED is.
プライドがティアラの膝で寝て、次にステイルの膝に移動するシーン、めっちゃ良かったンゴwww
プライドがステイルとアーサーにレオンとの会話を話した時、あいつらが「とりあえずヤッてない」って確認して安心してたの草生えるわ
もしプライドがレオンに「兄弟は信用すんな」って言ってたらアネモネ王国行きは回避できたんかな。兄弟の推薦でレオンの評判下がる噂流れた時点で怪しいと思ってたンゴ。最終日の計画はプライドとの婚約解消→王位継承権剥奪の流れを作ろうとしたんだろうけど、レオンが引っかからんかったからプランBで酒に薬盛って tavern に捨てたんやろな。プライドがどう助けるか楽しみやわ。まあ一緒にいるだけで陰謀なんてどうとでもなるやろけど。
先週ノンクレOP、今日やっとノンクレEDきたわ。EDの楽しそうな雰囲気ガチで好き。2ちゃん+21
TheBusStop12
原文
>I wonder if Pride's trip to Anemone Kingdom could have been prevented if she had told Leon not to trust his siblings
My guess is that she didn't specifically know that it was his siblings who set him up. After all, all her knowledge is just from his character background exposition as heard from the perspective of Tiara, the heroine, in game years after the fact. I can imagine she probably didn't know that it was his brothers that set him up purposefully
それな。プライドがレオンに兄弟を信じるなって言ってたらアネモネ王国行きは防げたかもね。でも多分、プライドは兄弟が仕組んだって具体的には知らなかったんだと思う。だって彼女の知識は全部、ゲーム内でヒロインのティアラ視点から後年に聞いたキャラ背景説明だけだからさ。わざと兄弟が仕組んだってとこまでは知らなかったんだろうな。普通くん+12
shatteredauthor
this seems especially true since it's entirely possible, based on his displayed trust, that *he* didn't even know about their manipulations.
I will say their shady-ness was only magnified when the one brother looks like he's about to drop a album with the amount of gold and jewels covering his body lmao.
せやな、あの信頼っぷり見る限り本人すら兄弟の裏工作に気づいてなかった可能性ガチであるわなw
- あの金ピカ兄ちゃん見て「こいつアルバムでも出すんか?」って草生えたンゴwww
- 兄弟の胡散臭さが一気に加速したやん2ちゃん+5
Lulukassu
原文
>lead to the annulment of his engagement with Pride, and with it his position as the king's successor,
Based on that bit of Leon reflecting on how all he could do was become the Consort of the Queen of Freesia, I was under the assumption he is preparing to relinquish his claim to the throne. There's been no indication of Freesia and his nation uniting into one, as far as I can tell this marriage should be the end of his claim to the throne, at least unless his brothers expire (at which point the option to unite with Freesia would likely come back up. That or he could try to steal Pride away and leave rulership of Freesia in Tiara's hands.)
ああ、あのプライドがティアラの膝からステイルの膝に移動するシーンは悪くなかったな。
プライドが自分とレオンの婚約解消が王位継承権喪失につながることに気づいてないのが笑える。
レオンが「自分にできるのはフリージア女王の配偶者になることだけだ」と振り返る場面からすると、彼は王位継承権を放棄する準備をしているんだろうな。フリージアと自国が統合する兆候もないし、この結婚で彼の王位継承権は実質終わりだ。兄たちが死なない限りな——その場合はまたフリージアとの統合話が出てくるか、あるいはプライドを連れ去ってティアラに統治を任せる手もあるが。ドライおじ+9
NanDemoKnaives
原文
So his brothers are likely the reason why he has such a bad reputation in his Kingdom, it's sad that they have been using him all this time. I'm just wondering to what end, and if they're doing something to the King, he had such heavy eyebags. I wish Pride had told him to be careful of his brothers.
Stale and Arthur cringing from having the wrong idea was amusing, I don't think they were wrong to be concerned, they chose to stay loyal to her. I'm glad they got some hugs and head pats from her, she's missed them too.
なるほど、彼の王国での悪評は兄弟たちの仕業だったのか。長年利用され続けてきたとは、なかなか悲哀を感じる展開だな。彼らが何を目的としているのか、そして王にも何か仕掛けているのではないか?あのひどい隈はその証左だろう。プライドが兄弟に気をつけるよう警告していれば良かったのに。
スティールとアーサーが思い違いをして赤面する様子は微笑ましいが、彼らの懸念自体は間違っていなかった。それでも彼女への忠誠を貫いた選択は評価できる。彼女からのハグと頭ポンポン、彼らにも当然の報いだ。彼女もまた彼らを恋しく思っていたというのがよく分かる。考察くん+14
djthomp
原文
With all that lead up about Leon having a secret and not being interested in Pride made me suspect his secret was being gay, but instead he just really loves the common people and wants them to love him in turn? Not really something that would ultimately prevent a marriage to Pride, not unless there's more to it.
It's a bit weird Pride didn't warn Leon about his brothers, assuming she knew that part which you'd think she might from the game. Then again we might already be on a new timeline since presumably he wouldn't have gotten the same warning from the original Pride.
レオンに秘密があってプライドに興味がないって伏線があったから、てっきりゲイなのかと思ったけど、単に庶民が大好きで愛されたいってだけなの?それじゃプライドとの結婚を最終的に妨げる理由にはならないよね、他に何かあるんじゃないかって思うけど。
プライドがレオンの兄弟のこと警告しなかったのはちょっと変だな。ゲームの設定なら知ってるはずだし。でも元のプライドから同じ警告を受けてないなら、もう新しいタイムラインにいるって可能性もあるかもね。普通くん+14
weebsunavailable
I thought he was gay too lol. The way she phrased it made it seem that way.
まあ確かに、そういう風に取れなくもなかったな。言い方がそう感じさせるんだろう。ドライおじ+11
mekerpan
I think his true dream is to be ruler of HIS own country -- and able to take care of its common people -- rather than being shipped off to be consort to the ruling queen of a neighboring country. The more extreme version -- he wants to abolish the monarchy (and the nobility) and be the first democratically elected president of his country. 😉
確かに、彼の本当の夢は隣国の女王の妃にされるより、自分の国を統治して民を守ることだと思う。極端な話、君主制(と貴族制度)を廃止して、民主的に選ばれた初代大統領になりたいのかもね😉普通くん+12
NationalStrategy
I’m gonna assume that the brothers are setting Leon up, and trying to ruin him
えっ、まじで!?兄貴たち、レオンをハメようとしてるんじゃね?しかもぶっ潰そうとしてるっぽくない?やばくね!?ギャル+10
testthrowawayzz
This made me more curious how the meddling by his brothers ended with what happened on the original timeline.
草、兄貴たちの余計な干渉が元の時間軸でどうなったのか気になりすぎるンゴwww2ちゃん+9
Lulukassu
OG Pride probably had them disemboweled for their crimes against her precious pet.
確かに!オリジナルのプライドは、自分の大事なペットへの罪で奴らをはらわた抜きにしてそうだよな…しんどすぎるッ!感情くん+5
ThisGachaSeemsLegit
You really, *really* have to be an absolute dumb**s to drink that wine after somebody (who happens to be the only person to know your inner desires) told you that something would happen on the last day.
Ah well, plot I guess. gg Prince-kun!
あのワインを飲む判断は正直どうかと思う。自分の内面を知る唯一の人物が「最終日に何か起きる」と警告した後だぞ。まあ、プロットの都合か。王子よ、お疲れ様でした。考察くん+5
BlazeKnightX
Her instructions were not to leave the castle for a week especially on the last day. She never told him he couldn't drink wine or enjoy the normal things that would be found inside his castle. She also never told him not to be suspicious of the people in the castle.
あの指示は「最後の日まで一週間、城から出るな」ってだけやん。酒飲むなとか城内の普通の楽しみを禁止したわけちゃうしな。城内の人間を疑うなとも言われてへん。つまり本人がバカやって自爆しただけやろwww2ちゃん+10
Lulukassu
It's most likely a view of what OG Pride did in the game. BUT, it would be sick if we got to see OUR pride go wild on some bad guys.
やばくない!?元のプライドがゲームでやってたことの描写っぽいんだけどさ、私たちのプライドが悪者相手に暴れまくるの見れたらまじで最高じゃね!?ギャル+7
Frontier246
原文
Is there anything more beautiful in this world than Pride getting a lap pillow from Tiara? She even embraces and snuggles up to Stale while half-asleep! Stale might not be able to make sense of this engagement to Leon, but even if it takes his beloved sister away, he'll still be absolutely loyal to her.
Dang it Pride, don't hold a guys' cheeks and bring your face close to his like that! You're liable to give Arthur a heart attack! Though showing him your fake smile hurts even more.On some level they all know Pride has every intention of being alone and detaching herself from everyone else, but that doesn't make it any easier to swallow.
Oh yeah, premonitions. I forgot that was a thing Pride claimed she could do to justify acting on the plot of the game. In fact it seems like everybody else forgot about it too, or at least it's been a while since she's done it.
I didn't expect Tiara, of all people, to be the one to confront Pride with how she's cutting them out and how the people who love her deserve to know the truth so they can support her, but it's definitely something Pride needed to hear. She can't tell them EVERYTHING, but she can still rely on them and let them in on the plan!
Nothing kills the mood for sex quite like Pride confronting Leon with what he truly wants, which isn't to bed or even wed Pride, though Pride turning the tables on him and being VERY confrontational and direct was attractive in its own way. But all she wants is for him to stay in his castle and NEVER go outside for a week after coming back.
I love how the main takeaway from Arthur and Stale...is that Pride and Leon didn't have sex. But at least Pride's takeaway is that she truly has people in her corner who she can trust and who truly cherish her.
What does Leon actually want? In being raised to be king, he found himself fond of the common people and their adoration of him, even if he was told those were the feelings of a narcissist. But he couldn't find that same pleasure in the arms of noblewomen who disgusted him, despite his rejections of them giving him the unwarranted reputation of a womanizer, and ashamed of all his feelings and failures he saw this marriage to Pride as a means of redeeming himself. So of course his dad talks about ending the engagement and thinking it's for Leon's sake.
Credit to Leon, he wasn't going to break his promise to Pride just to dress up in disguise to relax with the commoners. Of course his absolutely loyal and supportive brothers who suggested it accept that....and offer him some wine. Which was very likely drugged given the next thing Leon knows he's waking up dressed up and at a bar like he just got wasted.
The ED is really cute with the whole cast playing cards and getting all extra and fun about the game! We even see the last two remaining capture targets show up.
プライドがティアラに膝枕してもらうシーン、最高すぎない?寝ぼけながらステイルを抱きしめるのも可愛い!ステイルはレオンとの婚約が理解できなくても、大切な妹を奪われても絶対忠誠を貫くんだな。
プライド、アーサーの頬を触って顔近づけるのやめろって!心臓止まるわ。でも偽物の笑顔見せる方がもっと辛いんだよな。皆なんとなくプライドが一人で孤立しようとしてるの気づいてるけど、受け入れるのは難しい。
あー予知能力、忘れてた。プライドがゲームの筋書き通りに動くための口実だったやつ。他のキャラも忘れてるっぽいし、最近使ってないしね。
ティアラがまさかプライドに「皆を遠ざけてる」って指摘するとは思わなかった。愛する人たちは真実を知って支えたいんだって。全部話せなくても頼っていいし計画に巻き込めるって、プライドに必要な言葉だった。
レオンとのムードをぶち壊すプライドの直球質問。彼が本当に欲しいのはプライドと寝ることでも結婚でもない。でも逆に迫るプライドの姿勢は魅力的だった。彼女が望むのはただ「城に一週間こもって外出禁止」だけ。
アーサーとステイルの結論は「プライドとレオンはヤってない」ってとこが笑える。でもプライドの収穫は、本当に信頼できる仲間がいるって実感できたこと。
レオンが本当に欲しいものって何?王として育てられる中で普通くん+5
mekerpan
On further reflection, maybe Leon does not want to be KING of his own country. Maybe he wants to end the monarchy and become the county's first democratically elected president? 😉
よく考えたら、レオンは自分の国の王様になりたいわけじゃないのかもな。もしかして、君主制を終わらせて、この国初の民主的に選ばれた大統領になりたいんじゃね?😉 まじかよwwwwwwおじ+10
oneevilchicken
原文
Arthur and stale are just getting old. They’re really not adding anything to the show besides being there to simp for pride and try to make us think how absolutely amazing pride is. It shouldn’t be any of their business even if Leon and pride did anything. They’re both annoying and just kinda bad characters overall.
Honestly this show as a whole has been one of the biggest let downs. Every character basically exists to simp for pride and the plot is basically setup to make it happen too. I say let down because the first few episodes back in season 1 made it seem like it might break away from the typical villainess reincarnation show formula but it ended up falling in line perfectly which sucks.
ふん…アーサーとステイルという者たちも、この世界の歯車として朽ち果てていくのみよ。奴らはただプライドに跪き、その輝きを我々に刻み込むためだけに存在しているに過ぎぬ。たとえレオンとプライドが何かを成そうとも、奴らの干渉など余計なお世話だ。実に癪に障る、凡庸なるキャラクターよ。
この物語全体もまた、最大の失望と呼ぶにふさわしい。すべての者どもがプライドに魂を捧げ、運命すらもそのために仕組まれているとはな。第一幕の数話は、ありきたりな悪役令嬢転生の枠を破るかと期待させたが…結局はその呪縛に絡め取られたのだ。実に忌々しい結末よ。中二病+5