+633
apgp123
i feel like i need an excel sheet for all these characters lmao
マジでキャラ多すぎてExcelシート作らないとついていけないんだけど笑ギャル+186
LonelyAstronaut984
yes same, too many names
それな、名前多すぎて混乱するわ普通くん+44
Himexcandy33
Yes and most of them go by not only their last names but also first names as well lol
それなw 名字だけじゃなくて下の名前でも呼ばれるしな笑wwwおじ+18
mekerpan
\>> excel sheet
or at least something like an old-fashioned baseball score card.
それなw 野球のスコアカードぐらいは欲しくなるね普通くん+22
time_axis
Honestly could be fixed by them just putting up name cards the first time a character appears in every episode.
それな!毎話最初に名前出してくれたらマジで助かるんだけど笑 てかキャラ多すぎて把握しきれんwwギャル+19
absolutelynotaname
Or just do it the old style and put them in the eyecatch in the episodes
確かに、アイキャッチに名前入れる昔ながらの方法でもいいよね。普通くん+5
thadude3
I thought I missed an episode at the start.
確かにそれな!笑 最初「えっ私だけ置いてかれてる?」って焦ったもんwギャル+8
Mizukin
Hosen has the most punchable face I've seen in an anime character in all my life.
宝泉の顔、アニメキャラ歴代でも一番殴りたくなるわ。普通くん+168
cppn02
Half the time it looks like his face is melting lol.
せやな、あの顔半分溶けてるようにしか見えへんわwww ワイも同意やで2ちゃん+58
mekerpan
Hosen -- more than punchable -- more like thrown off the top of Tokyo Tower.
確かに!宝泉の顔はパンチどころか東京タワーから投げ落としたくなるレベルだわ。無理すぎるッ!感情くん+27
cheapdrinks
The author really knows how to make you hate the big bad of each season with a passion
確かに、作者は毎シーズンの悪役を心底嫌いになるように描くのが上手いよね。宝泉の顔はマジでムカつくわ。普通くん+29
silkystrawberrymilk2
Hosen the first villain I seen who actually gave off “I’m bad, HATE ME”
Like other COTE antagonist have some charm to them, Hosen has nada
同意。宝泉は「俺は悪役だ、憎め」って雰囲気を初めて出したキャラだな。
他のCOTEの敵役には多少の魅力があるけど、宝泉にはそれがゼロだ。ドライおじ+25
conye-west
Eh, Ryuen was also kind of just an unrepentant asshole until he got humbled and become more chill. Might be Hosen just needs a good beatdown.
確かに、龍園も完全なる混沌の化身だったのだ。しかし彼は敗北により覚醒し、より深遠なる存在へと変貌を遂げた。宝泉もまた、我が拳で打ちのめされれば、その闇の深淵から新たな光を見出すやもしれぬ。中二病+15
Ralathar44
I'm not certain he's the big bad of the season. Feels more like the bait to hide the real big bad who's snaking behind the scenes.
確かに!でも彼が今期のラスボスかは微妙すぎるッ。むしろ裏で動く真のラスボスを隠すための囮っぽくない?感情くん+6
nhansieu1
he's bad, but I doubt he's that big.
確かに、奴は悪党だが、そこまでの大物とは思えぬでござるな。武士+5
fer_sure
He made the delinquent "huuuuuhh?!" face for so long that it stuck that way.
わかるッ!宝泉のあの「はぁぁぁ?!」って顔、ずっとやってるせいで完全にデフォルトの表情になってるよね。殴りたくなる気持ちしかないッ!感情くん+20
MapoTofuMan
Straight from r/15or50
確かに、宝泉の顔はマジでムカつくデザインだよね。あれは15歳に見えないし、50歳にも見えない絶妙な嫌な顔してるわ。普通くん+16
Icy-Introduction5592
I think he meant r/13or30
せやな、多分「13歳か30歳か」ってサブレのこと言いたかったンゴwww2ちゃん+8
deynyel
Glad to see Kushida's the same as ever.
やばっ!櫛田は相変わらずだね~まじ安心したわ笑ギャル+136
oops_i_made_a_typi
yeah i knew she must've just been putting on the usual face for anyone who knows her past, sometimes it's fun to see the bitch be a bitch
それな、やっぱり過去を知ってる人にはいつもの顔で接してるだけだよね。たまにビッチがビッチしてるのを見るのも楽しいわ。普通くん+40
mike_2797
Kushida double face voice change up is always a treat to listen.
Loved the encounter between nanase and amasawa fiery.
わかるッ!軽井沢の二面性ボイスチェンジ、毎回聴くたびにゾクゾクするんだよなァ…!
七瀬と天沢の激アツ対決シーン、めっちゃエモかった…優勝すぎるッ!感情くん+106
BiggerG7
Gotta love how popular Ayanokouji is now with everyone coming to him lol. I wonder if that’s also part of his plan.
綾小路が今やみんなに頼りにされてて人気者なの笑えるな。それも彼の計画のうちなのかなって思うね。普通くん+96
Any-Calligrapher2866
His plan got derailed a long time ago. Now his only option is to use his abilities to actually survive which gives him spotlight.
計画とっくに脱線してるンゴwww
今はもう実力振るって生き残るしかなくて、結果的に目立ってるだけやろなあ2ちゃん+62
SpaceMarine_CR
When the school put a bounty on his head
学校が彼に賞金をかけた時は笑ったわ普通くん+47
qazqazpc
That shot of Nanase and Ichika's eye is so good omg.
ナナセと一花の目元のカット、めっちゃ良かったわw まじで鳥肌立った笑wwwおじ+83
FoolingFinality
Nanase, as usual, is a cute, strong girl of the 1st year, Ichika being the crazy, chaotic one, with Sakurako being the one done with her life. It's a missed opportunity; we have a girl missing from class 1B to fill this squad for all 4 classes. And no, I will not take Takuya for the answer for a student from Class 1B.
七瀬は相変わらず1年生の中で可愛くて強い女の子、一花は狂気と混沌を体現する存在、そして桜子は人生に疲れ果てたタイプだな。惜しいのは、この4クラス編成のチームを完成させるために1年B組からもう一人女子が足りないことだ。そして、B組代表として拓也を認めるつもりは一切ない。考察くん+60
DeepDarkOs
>It's a missed opportunity; we have a girl missing from class 1B to fill this squad for all 4 classes
We have Yagami the femboy. You have to take him !!
草、Yagamiって女装男子やんけwww
お前がそれ取れよ!ワイはNanaseちゃんとIchinoseちゃんとSakurakoちゃんの3人で十分やわ。
1Bの空き枠は正直いらんし、Yagamiはお前のチームでどうぞ。2ちゃん+25
Tatted_ramenboi
I need this season out now, I hate waiting week to week. Feel like this may be the best season
待ちきれない!毎週待つのがマジで苦痛すぎるッ!今すぐシーズン出してくれ。多分これが最高のシーズンになりそうだわ、エモすぎる!感情くん+57
cheapdrinks
原文
Yeah these set up episodes are killing me. Hard to keep track of all of these new characters and where they stand in the larger scheme of things. Still loving it but man it's tough sitting through *another* episode about group formation and class strategy with zero action. I know it's all necessary build up but I was honestly thinking we'd at least be on the cruise ship by now. Only just realized that it's a 16 episode season which makes sense. I was starting to panic thinking we were already past half way and the special test hadn't even started so the second half would either be super rushed or be split into next season.
確かにその気持ち分かるよ。今週の展開が遅すぎてキツい。新キャラ多すぎて誰がどの立場なのか把握するの大変だし。まだ好きだけど、アクションなしでグループ編成と戦略の話ばかり見続けるのは正直しんどい。全部必要な布石だって分かってるけど、もうクルーズ船に乗ってると思ってたわ。でも全16話って気付いて納得した。もう折り返し過ぎたと思って焦ってたんだよな。普通くん+32
oops_i_made_a_typi
iirc cruise ship is the reward for after the test anyways
せやな、豪華客船はテスト終わった後のご褒美やったはずやで。ワイもキャラ多すぎて誰がどの立場か覚えられんわwww2ちゃん+8
oxlemf10
原文
Throughout the episode it became clear why a part of them main first-year students are directly declaring their intentions for peace to Ayanokoji (although Yagami is bizarrely suspicious).
Hosen created an imbalance between the first-year classes, and the news that he stabbed Ayanokoji likely spread.
Knowing that Ayanokoji might destroy them in the future, only Ichika, Tsubasa, and Hosen remain with the expulsion plan, at least in a direct way, since everything is still suspicious and there are no clues as to who came from the White Room.
このエピソードを通して、1年生の一部が直接綾小路に和平を申し出てる理由が分かってきたな(でも八神は不気味なくらい怪しい)。
宝泉が1年生クラス間のバランスを崩して、綾小路を刺したって噂も広まったんだろう。
将来綾小路に潰されるかもって思ってる中で、直接的な追放計画を続けてるのは一夏、翼、宝泉だけっぽい。でもまだ全部怪しいし、ホワイトルーム出身者が誰かは全く手がかりなし。普通くん+56
mekerpan
I would not say there are NO clues, rather there are too many contradictory clues....
確かに、手がかりが無いわけではござらん。むしろ、矛盾する手がかりが多すぎるのでござるな。武士+45
discuss-not-concuss
原文
I can’t tell whether some of the clues are the students being in-universe suspicious or anime-audience suspicious
for one, I assume the WR lesser student meeting with Tsukishiro can be male or female, although visually, except Amasawa, the girls long hair should have shown through
we are told they supposedly took a crash course on being normal and that Ayanokouji can’t tell at first sight, but it doesn’t help when the school isn’t normal to begin with
確かに、その手の伏線が作中キャラ視点の怪しさなのか、視聴者向けのヒントなのか区別つかないよね。
例えば、WR下位クラスの生徒が月城と会ってるシーン、性別すら不明瞭だし。アマサワ以外は女子の長髪が映り込むはずなのに。
「普通の振る舞いを叩き込まれた」って説明で綾小路も一見じゃ見抜けないって言われてるけど、そもそも学校自体が普通じゃないから余計混乱するわ。普通くん+29
Any-Calligrapher2866
Also we're assuming that there is only one WR student. Could be more.
確かに、WRの生徒が一人だけとは限らないよな。複数いる可能性も考えた方がいいだろう。ドライおじ+13
Icy-Introduction5592
I don't think Yagami is the White room student, since he went to the same school as Kushida. Don't think it's Hosen either. If it's one of the students we've seen so far I'd guess either Amasawa or blue haired dude.
I think it needs to be someone who lacks common sense, is smart and can throw hands.
確かに。やっぱり綾小路と同学年じゃないし、白房子供は別の誰かだと思う。現時点で登場してる中だと天沢か青髪の男が怪しいかな。常識外れで頭も良くて喧嘩も強いって条件ならその2人だと思うんだよな。普通くん+16
Cheetah_05
原文
It did seem very fake. She was somehow asking all the right questions even though she really seems to be not that intelligent. Also they met earlier and teamed up earlier for that test. It was weird that they put attention towards that if it's going to be irrelevant.
Though they also put attention towards that girl with the straw for some reason. Maybe he's being manipulated or acting for her?
Oh and Kushida specifically mentioned that he knows her past too. If that isn't a lie, she has every reason to follow his orders or plans since it gets rid of Ayanokoji (knows her past & generally hates him) and makes sure he won't expose her either.
ふむ…あの場面、明らかに作為的な空気が漂っていたな。彼女は一見知能が低そうに見えて、なぜか核心を突く質問ばかりしていたのだ。しかも以前の試験で偶然出会い、共闘したという因縁もある。もしそれが無関係なら、なぜそこに焦点を当てたのか、奇妙な話だ。
さらに言えば、あの藁を手にした少女にも妙にスポットライトが当たっていた。まさか彼が彼女のために操られているか、あるいは演技をしているのか…?
そして何より、櫛田が彼の過去を知っていると明言した点だ。それが嘘でなければ、彼女が綾小路(彼の過去を知り、憎悪している)を排除しつつ、自らの秘密を守るために彼の命令や計画に従う理由は十分にある。全ては運命の歯車が噛み合った結果か…。中二病+11
HolyDragSwd2500
I don’t trust Yagami.He’s very suspicious
確かに。夜神は怪しすぎるな。何か隠してる感じがする。普通くん+38
MapoTofuMan
I don't trust anyone outside 2-D at this point.
^(Well except Ryuen's old gang, they were pacified enough)
まじでそれな!今は2-D以外のやつ全員信用できなくない?笑
(まあ龍園の元仲間はおとなしくなったからセーフだけどね〜)ギャル+54
DeepDarkOs
^( I didn't know we can do this, anyway Ryuen's old gang is Goated)
(綾小路の策略はわからんけど)龍園の旧メンバーは確かに信頼できるな。あの連中はマジで有能だと思う。普通くん+19
oops_i_made_a_typi
honestly I can't see Ichinose doing anything to him either, but the other kids in her class might.
せやな、一之瀬本人は何も仕掛けてこなさそうやけどな。クラスの連中はわからんぞ。2ちゃん+6
LunarGhost00
The fact that he knows the real Kushida but still acts friendly with her is the biggest red flag. He's either the kind of ride or die ~~simp~~ friend who accepts you no matter what or the kind of guy who acts sweet while planning to knife you.
確かに、本当の櫛田を知ってて普通に接してる時点で怪しすぎるよな。完全にいい人ぶってるか、裏で何か企んでるかのどっちかだと思う。普通くん+12
Triggerxx911
Hes Sykkuno fr
それな!まじでシクノすぎるじゃん笑
表向きは優しいけど中身は真っ黒ってやばくね?ギャル+9
Zxzxzx0088
No way my guy Hosen doesn't have libido rejecting Amasawa fresh 'panchira'?! Huge respect for him since he acts and looks despicable enough to prey any girl doing his way but now we can assure he won't do any of that shit.
は?宝泉が天沢のパンチラ拒否したってマジかよ!? 普段のクズっぷり見てると女に手出しまくりそうなのに、まさかそんな理性あるとは思わんかったわ。これはガチで見直したわwww2ちゃん+38
i_reddit_too_mcuh
Looked more like a power thing to me. Housen looks like the type to think "if I want it, I will take it". Amasawa offering is more likely to piss him off.
確かに、あれは力関係の話に見えたな。宝泉は「欲しければ奪う」タイプだし、天沢が差し出したことで逆にイラッときたんだろうね。普通くん+54
Sahir1359
That and it was clear she was trying to knock him off his 'game'. Knowing you can use sex appeal to rattle someone can be useful. Have to shut that down immediately.
確かにそれもあるよね!あの子、明らかに綾小路のペースを乱そうとしてたじゃん?笑 性的魅力で相手を揺さぶれるってわかってるのは確かに便利だけど、即座に封じなきゃって感じだよね〜ギャル+28
edwardjhahm
This was my thought process too. Hosen's not stupid, he knows what Amasawa is playing at.
確かに俺もそう思った。宝泉はバカじゃないから、天沢の狙いには気づいてるよね。普通くん+8
mekerpan
Hosen is such a frigging psycho. Possibly (probably) the most hateable student in the whole series so far. No totally stupid, but WAY over-estimates the power of vicious brutality.
確かに!宝泉はマジでサイコすぎる。シリーズ通して一番嫌いな生徒かも。バカじゃないけど、暴力の力を過信しすぎてるんだよな。しんどいわ。感情くん+18
MapoTofuMan
>Possibly (probably) the most hateable student in the whole series so far.
Aside from Yamauchi, that guy was in a league of his own.
確かに。山内は別格だったな。普通くん+11
mekerpan
He's history. Long gone. 😉
確かに。山内はもう過去の存在だな。完全に消えた。😉感情くん+6
Cally83
Eyes should be kept on the Hosen group in the upcoming test.
Kushida’s mask slipping when talking to Kiyo is always nice to see, she’s crazy.
宝泉グループは次回テストでマジで目が離せないンゴwww
綾小路と話す時にヒラメく栉田の仮面剥がれるの草、あいつガチでイカれてるやろ2ちゃん+26
WhoiusBarrel
原文
Hearing Kushida's real motive for getting close with that 1st year was actually fucking hilarious, her true scummy behaviour never changes and it's fun to see how she incites more chaos.
Hosen has really been a great addition in stirring shit as well, the way his picking fights with everyone, including the 1st Years and also blatantly lying to Amasawa on the bribe. Dudes like a comically evil villain from a different genre of series dropped in here.
櫛田が1年生に近づいた本当の動機、マジで笑えたわ。本性のクズっぷりは相変わらずで、またカオスを引き起こす様子が見れて楽しい。
宝泉もまた騒動をかき立てる存在として最高だよな。1年生含めて全員に喧嘩売ってるし、天沢への賄賂も平気で嘘つくし。まるで別ジャンルの漫画から飛び込んできたコミカルな悪役って感じだ。普通くん+26
SYZekrom
Love that face girl has when she asks how much they're paying her
あの女の子が「いくら払ってくれるの?」って聞くときの顔、やばくない!?めっちゃ好きなんだけど笑ギャル+22
vnomgt
原文
Lots of set up this episode, I'm really enjoying the scheming this season! So many questions though. I'll just leave some notes here so I can come back to them later (not asking for spoilers of course):
\- Did Kushida pretend she wasn't aware of the bounty on Ayanokoji until now? Surely one her many 1st year friends already talked to her about it? Also considering that she'd have every reason to work with the 1st years to get him expelled, that's just hard to believe...
\- So we got confirmation that Yagami knows about Kushida's past. Yet he still approached her with a big innocent smile. Definitely sus af...
\- Yagami spilling all the beans is interesting. I don't think he's lying, since most of this could be verified fairly easily. On the other hand we already knew about most of this, so this didn't feel very useful? At least we got confirmation that Nagumo created the bounty. Could be his way of finally asserting himself over Manabu?
\- Are all those 1st years expert fighters or what? Not just Housen, but also Amasawa, Nanase, Utomiya... That's a huge step up from the previous year.
\- Housen seems really short sighted? Amasawa is gonna see his betrayal coming a mile away. I wouldn't be surprised if Nanase wanted to use that chance to get rid of him as well. 2 birds with 1 stone?
\- On the surface it seems like more 1st years want Housen expelled than Ayanokoji, somehow. That's kinda surprising considering how few people went against Ryuen the year before. At the very least I don't see Koji buying into it, since we just established that Housen was a ""reliable"" non-white room partner. He probably doesn't even see Housen as a threat at all.
今週は布石回やったな。今期の策謀パートガチで面白いわ。ただ疑問点多杉内。とりあえずメモしとくわ(ネタバレは頼まないでな)
・櫛田、綾小路の懸賞金知らなかったフリしてるんか?一年の友達から絶対聞いてるやろ。しかも一年と組んで綾小路追放する理由もあるし、信じられんわ…
・矢島が櫛田の過去知ってるの確定したな。それなのにニコニコしながら近づいてくるとか絶対怪しいンゴwww
・矢島が全部ベラベラ喋ったのは興味深い。嘘はついてないと思うけど、もう大体知ってた情報ばっかであんま役に立たんかったな。少なくとも南雲が懸賞金出したのは確定。学への当てつけか?
・一年生みんな格闘技の達者かよ。宝泉だけじゃなく天沢、七瀬、宇都宮も…前の学年より格段にレベル上がってるやん。
・宝泉、視野狭すぎん?天沢に裏切りバレバレやろ。七瀬がその隙に宝泉も消そうとしても驚かんわ。一石二鳥狙いか?
・表面上は綾小路より宝泉を追放したい一年生の方が多いように見えるな。前年の龍園の時はあんなに敵少なかったのに。まあ綾小路は宝泉を脅威とすら見てなさそうやけど。2ちゃん+23
Cheetah_05
原文
Ryuen just seems generally more capable than Hosen. And Ryuen got hated plenty by his class as well. Hosen seems mostly muscle-headed, even his plan to get Ayanokoji expelled was simplistic and lacking. He gets things done thanks to his position as class leader and his physical ability, but he's not that smart and will likely get neutered or replaced by Nanase eventually.
Remember that their initial placements also reflect how the school values them. Ryuen got placed in Class C, probably because his methods are a tad too hardhanded and it's better for a leader figure to have people follow them willingly. Hosen is trying to take a similar position, but ended up in class D because he's the same but dumber (though maybe a bit stronger).
龍園の方が明らかに宝泉より有能だと思う。龍園もクラスから結構嫌われてたけどな。宝泉は頭より筋肉って感じで、綾小路を退学させようとした計画も単純で甘い。クラスリーダーの立場と身体能力でなんとかやってるけど、頭は良くなくて、最終的には七瀬に無力化されるか取って代わられるだろう。
そういえば最初のクラス分けも学校側の評価を反映してるんだよね。龍園はCクラスに配置されたのは、やり方が少々強引すぎて、リーダーは自発的に従わせる方がいいからだろう。宝泉は似たような立場を狙ってるけど、同じく頭が悪い分Dクラス行きだな(体格は少し上かもしれないが)。普通くん+12
vnomgt
Yeah they are still quite different for sure. Hosen is just a bully, basically evil Sudou. Ryuen was smarter in how he established control and forced people to do his bidding. He's also on much more of a power trip, while Housen mostly just cares about points.
That's why since he's more predictable, he seems like he could almost be an asset to Ayanokoji, if he plays his hand well.
せやな、やっぱりこの二人は全然違うわ。
Hosenはただのいじめっ子で、言うなれば悪いSudouやな。一方Ryuenは頭使って支配体制築いて、他人を思い通りに動かすのが上手いンゴ。
しかもRyuenの方が権力志向ガチやけど、Hosenはポイントにしか興味なさそうやしな。
そんだけ単純なHosenは、綾小路がうまく扱えばほぼ戦力になるんちゃうか。2ちゃん+10
ObvsThrowaway5120
原文
I don’t know if I really trust Yagami all that much. Feels like he’s playing at something telling Ayanokoji all that. Keen to see what he might be scheming.
I’m also curious to see how Hosen’s plan is gonna play out. Not sure his little alliance with Amasawa and Nanase is all that reliable. I mean there’s gotta be mutual trust for a partnership to work and I don’t think either of them trust one another.
矢神はあんまり信頼できないな。綾小路にああいうこと言ってる時点で何か企んでる感じがするし、これからどう動くか気になる。
あと宝泉の計画がどうなるかも気になるな。天沢とか七瀬との連携、あんまり信用できなさそうだし。協力関係には相互信頼が必要だと思うけど、あの連中はお互いを信頼してなさそうだしね。普通くん+23
mekerpan
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I suspect he knows (has an informed guess) that Ayanokoji already knew what was going on. So, he is actually giving up very little information in order to paint himself as trustworthy. Definitely a key figure in the suspicious squad. I still think that Hosen is just inherently dangerous, rather than a white room candidate. However, could the white room have finagled to get him accepted to the school as an aid to its plans? Query, does the white room have that much pull outside its own direct realm? We really know very little on this point, I feel.
せやな、矢神はアイツが既に知ってるって見抜いてるやろ。だから自分を信用させるために最小限の情報しか出してないんやろな。確かに怪しい連中のキーパーソンやわ。
ワイは宝泉は単に危険な奴であって、ホワイトルームの候補生やないと思うンゴねぇ。でも、ホワイトルームが学校に潜り込ませる工作してる可能性はあるか? そこら辺の影響力についてはまだよく分からんわ。2ちゃん+10
Sinaire
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The 2 most likely White Room suspects for me right now are Yagami and Amasawa. The only thing Yagami has going for him *not* being the WR candidate is that he has a confirmed past with Kushida.
I feel it's pretty cliché to have the super innocent kohai kid looking out for everyone be the BBEG, but as of now I don't see it being Hosen (also confirmed background with Ryuen) or Nanase, simply because she feels like our 1st year MC
今のところ白室の容疑者として一番怪しいのはやっぱり矢島と天沢だな。矢島がWR候補じゃないって根拠は、櫛田との過去が確認できてるってことくらいだし。
超純粋な後輩キャラが実は黒幕ってのはかなりベタだけど、今のところ宝泉(龍園との過去も確認済み)や七瀬は違う気がする。七瀬は1年生のメインキャラって感じだしね。普通くん+14
vnomgt
I'm still watching out for Tsubaki, too... She just hits the "quiet mastermind" vibe so well. Also one of the only students that haven't acted super conspicuously so far.
I'm also noticing that she wasn't invited to the bounty meeting (if Yagami is to be believed)? Could be because she doesn't need the motivation? Though I guess neither was Amasawa...
椿もまだマークしてるンゴ…あいつ「静かな黒幕」感がガチで似合いすぎやろ。つーか今のところ派手に動いてない数少ない生徒の一人やしな。
あと例の懸賞金会議に呼ばれてなかった(八神の話が本当なら)のも気になるンゴ。モチベいらんから呼ばなかったんか? まあ天沢も呼ばれてなかったけどな…2ちゃん+7
LunarGhost00
> Not sure his little alliance with Amasawa and Nanase is all that reliable. I mean there’s gotta be mutual trust for a partnership to work and I don’t think either of them trust one another.
Speaking of which, it really sounded like Nanase was echoing Horikita when talking about establishing this alliance as equals. Seems like her senpai is rubbing off on her.
確かに八神の信用性は疑わしいな。彼があそこまで綾小路に情報を開示したのも何か裏があると見るべきだ。
天沢や七瀬との小規模な連合も、相互信頼が成立していない時点で脆い構造だと言わざるを得ない。特に七瀬が「対等な関係で」と強調した点は興味深い。あの口調、明らかに堀北の影響を受けている。彼女の先輩である堀北の考え方が、知らず知らずのうちに刷り込まれている証拠だろう。考察くん+7
FoolingFinality
Having multiple classes with their own plan ready for the exam is great. Let's see how it will all converge on the island.
This episode was mostly about the 1st years, with Kiyo and Kikyo's cameo just a bit.
As always its amazing to see how Kikyo changes from high-pitched \*bubbly\* girl to this cool voice \*nasty\* person in a second, as if a switch is turned on.
複数のクラスがそれぞれ試験に向けて計画を持ってるのがいいね。島でどう収束していくか楽しみ。
今回の話はほぼ1年生メインで、清隆と桔梗のカメオ出演はちょっとだけだったな。
相変わらず桔梗が一瞬で甲高い明るい声からクールで嫌な声に切り替わるのすごいよな。まるでスイッチ入ったみたい。普通くん+17
shad79
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Although we didn't get much screen time with Ayanokoji, this episode proved to be extremely interesting as it focused on the first-year students and their strategies for the next exam.
Amasawa, Hosen, and the rest are great characters, so I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how Ayanokoji thwarts their plans in future episodes.
Yagami seems like a genuinely nice guy, and that's what makes him very suspicious. I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be similar to Kushida in terms of personality—they seem very similar in their behavior, at least at first glance.
Here my screenshot albums from the episode:
* Group scenes
* Amasawa
* Others
綾小路の出番は少なかったものの、今回のエピソードは1年生たちの次回試験に向けた戦略に焦点が当てられていて非常に興味深かった。天沢や宝泉といったキャラクターは魅力的で、今後の展開で綾小路が彼らの計画をどう挫くのか楽しみだ。
矢島は一見すると本当にいい奴に見えるからこそ、逆に怪しさが際立つ。彼の性格は少なくとも表面的な行動パターンを見る限り、櫛田と類似している可能性が高いという考察ができる。もし彼が櫛田タイプの二面性を持つキャラだとしても、全く驚かない。
スクリーンショットアルバム:
- グループシーン
- 天沢
- その他考察くん+14
mekerpan
Yagami feels "unctuous" just like "nice" Kushida. I wonder whether if we will will eventually see his A side (like we do with Kushida).
それな!やっぱ櫛田の「良い子」と似た感じで、八神もなんかベタベタした感じがするじゃん笑 てか、いつか八神の裏の顔も見れるのかな?気になりすぎるんだけど!ギャル+5
DrZoark
Who is Hanato, lol?
誰だよハナトって、笑普通くん+8
y3kman
Did I miss something? They're talking about a first year getting expelled and I don't remember that happening.
えっ、俺なんか見逃した!?1年生が退学になった話してるけど、そんなシーンあったっけ?全然覚えてないんだけど…マジで混乱してる感情くん+6
Xatu44
Poor guy got off-screened lol.
確かに画面外で退学になった可哀想なやつだな笑普通くん+23
oops_i_made_a_typi
was mentioned last ep i think when Nanase was talking about a 1-C guy getting expelled kind of being a stark reminder of the reality of their school's system
それ前の話でナナセが1年C組の奴が退学になったって話してたやつやろ。学校システムの厳しさを思い知らされたエピソードやったな。忘れてるだけちゃう?2ちゃん+6
NanDemoKnaives
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Housen is probably going to get the biggest fall out of any other character, he's way too arrogant and it makes me feel like the author wants to make his crash real ugly. It might be because he's so flashy, he's big and violent, he's completely different from Ryuuen even though they're sort of in a similar position in their year groups.
It was nice to see Utomiya stand up to Housen, that's a fight I'd be interested in watching.
I thought Yagami was going to have a clearer cunning side, like there'd be more obvious hints and that he has Kushida wrapped around his finger because he knows her past, but it's not seeming like it from what we saw of their interaction. I guess maybe Kushida accepted to be his partner so that she could keep an eye on him? I'm curious about what his role will be.
宝泉は多分どのキャラより一番酷い転落を経験するんじゃないかな。傲慢すぎるし、作者が彼の没落をかなり悲惨に描きたいんだと思う。派手でデカくて暴力的、龍園とは学年の立場は似てるけど全然タイプが違うよね。
宇都宮が宝泉に立ち向かったのは良かったな。あの戦いはぜひ見てみたい。
八神にはもっと明確な狡猾さがあると思ってたんだけど、櫛田を過去で握って操ってるような分かりやすいヒントがあるかと思いきや、実際のやり取りを見るとそうでもなさそうだね。もしかして櫛田は監視のためにパートナーを引き受けたのか?彼の役割が気になるな。普通くん+7
oneevilchicken
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Hosen is just annoying. I really hate him as a character. And I don’t mean in a Joffrey from game of thrones sort of way where it’s because he’s a very well written bad guy. He just feels very cheaply made and takes everything out of this show that makes it good. Instead it basically feels like a shitty shounen show whenever he shows up.
Ryuen atleast had good writing and a lot more to him. People were also following him not entirely out of fear too. He is just such better done as a character compared to hosen.
Doesnt help that the author gives hosen a shit ton of plot armor too to let him be what he is.
宝泉マジでウザいわ。ワイはキャラとしてガチで嫌いや。でもゲーム・オブ・スローンズのジョフリーみたいな「よく書かれた悪役」って意味じゃなくてな。こいつは安っぽい作りで、このアニメの良いところ全部ぶち壊してるンゴ。出てくるたびにクソみたいな少年漫画になってるわ。
龍園は少なくともちゃんと書かれてて、深みがあったやん。仲間も恐怖だけじゃなくてついてきてたしな。宝泉と比べたらキャラとして全然出来が違うわ。
つーか作者が宝泉にクソみたいなご都合主義の防御力与えてるのもあかんわ。2ちゃん+6
ClemCa1
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You can see the difference in experience between 1st year and the upperclassmen by how the 2nd year considered the possibility of isolating a single class and the 1st year kept thinking about unity at all costs.
The truly rational decision would've been to exclude D class and make an 3-way alliance to make sure 1-D lose as much as possible. What they truly need is not to compete against their upperclassmen but to make sure D class is never able to recover and be a serious competitor again until graduation. It's precisely because they don't need to care as much about class points as upperclassmen that they should care that much more about the power dynamics between classes. And if a rogue element like class 1-D can't be tamed, they should be put down as soon as possible.
確かに、1年生と上級生の経験値の差がよくわかるね。2年生は単一クラスを孤立させる可能性を考えてるけど、1年生はとにかく団結しようとしてる。
本当に合理的な判断なら、Dクラスを除外して3クラスで同盟を組み、1-Dの損失を最大化するのが正解だよね。上級生と競うよりも、Dクラスが卒業まで復活できないように叩くべき。クラスポイントをそこまで気にしなくていいからこそ、クラス間のパワーバランスを重視すべきだし、制御不能な1-Dみたいな厄介者は早めに潰すべきだと思う。普通くん+5